WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:05.280 Okay, I'm recording. Hi. Yeah, we have a backup fire going. 2 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:11.039 Okay, sweet one, two three, Hello everybody. It's Laura Eisenhower. 3 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:13.560 I am joined today by my two really good friends, 4 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:18.480 Tyler Koala and Aaron Khon, the podcast host of Journey 5 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:21.199 to Truth. Man, you guys have been at this for 6 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:24.760 years and you have this really really incredible documentary coming out. 7 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:27.640 You've been doing this podcast for such a long time, 8 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:31.120 and you both just recently put out two books, Waking 9 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:34.359 to the Infinite Universe Aaron and bleed Through Tales from 10 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:37.280 Another Timeline Tyler, And my gosh, I mean this is 11 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:40.200 just in the last couple of years and now this documentary, 12 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:47.759 So congratulations on all of that. And you're endless hard work, exhaustible, inexhaustible, 13 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:51.960 and I mean there's no turning back for humanity after 14 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:56.439 this documentary. This is like, really really an eye opening 15 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:02.119 compilation of so many people's experiences and your research and 16 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:03.679 a lot of doc connecting. Can you talk to us 17 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:07.359 about this documentary, your process behind it, and how it 18 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:08.280 all kind of came together. 19 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:11.920 Yeah, First of all, thank you for all the kind words, 20 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:14.680 and thank you so much, so grateful to be here 21 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:16.920 with you. You know. Actually, I'm going to rewind a 22 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:20.400 little bit before I answer your question. We technically met you. 23 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:22.799 I've met you for the first time in twenty nineteen 24 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:25.920 in Hawaii, actually where we're going to be again in April. 25 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:30.000 For those who are interested. There's still tickets available if 26 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.319 you'd like to join us, but and Laura will be 27 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:36.319 there again, and we specifically invited you back as like 28 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:38.719 a reunion type of thing. You you were one of 29 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:42.040 the first people that we came across that actually treated 30 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:47.799 us like people like you know, and not not not 31 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:51.760 saying anything negative about anybody, but you've always you've given 32 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:53.680 us the time. You gave us the time when we 33 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.400 were nobody and now here we are and we've built 34 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:59.079 you know, it allowed us to it gave us confidence 35 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.239 to build ourselves into this and now you see the 36 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:07.760 byproduct of that. We've done many events, books, podcasts, now documentaries, 37 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:12.120 and this film was something that the idea came about 38 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:15.120 three years ago. A little over three years ago. We 39 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:18.120 had already put out our first documentary, The Kahokia Mounds, 40 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:20.919 The Untold Story, which is also pretty good, I think 41 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:24.599 in my opinion, especially for a first time film. And 42 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:27.879 I knew I wanted to do another one. I knew 43 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:30.280 we could do better, and I've always wanted to. You know, 44 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:33.120 secret Space Program has always been a passion. You know, 45 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:35.599 we all resonate with it on some level for probably 46 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:38.319 because we're connected or involved if we remember this stuff. 47 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:42.639 And we had interviewed so many people, and there was 48 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:45.719 really no good documentary out there that was covering it 49 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:47.960 like how I felt it should be covered. In fact, 50 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:50.680 the exact opposite was happening. We saw a lot of 51 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:54.479 hit pieces and big names in euthology trying to make 52 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:56.599 a mockery out of the Secret Space Program due to 53 00:02:56.639 --> 00:03:00.560 certain individuals who did a lot of damage to movement, 54 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:04.199 I would say. So I felt like, man like new 55 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:07.039 people are going to be finding this information every day, 56 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.159 and if all they come across is a hit piece, 57 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:12.479 is what a disservice to the people who were actually 58 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:16.599 involved and have stories to tell. So we wanted to 59 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:20.240 take the most credible people we could find, including yourself 60 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:22.960 who was in the film, and just basically make a 61 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:27.719 documentary painting a picture of the Secret Space Program for 62 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:30.240 the skeptic, for people who don't know what it is, 63 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:33.319 build a case for the Secret Space Program. But not 64 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:37.400 shy away from the wood details because you know, in 65 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:39.120 order to tell the story, you just have to tell 66 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:42.240 the story, and that involves crazy stuff that's hard to believe. 67 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:45.400 But I think we delivered it in such a way 68 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:49.360 that it doesn't scare you off. I tried to make 69 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:54.520 it intriguing, visually compelling, you know, neuro linguistically engaging, just 70 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:57.599 a whole thing had to be. It's like walking in 71 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:02.680 tightrope between entertainment and education, and you can't bore people. 72 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.360 You don't want to shoot off too many fireworks. You 73 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:08.280 have to find a balance that it's like a voice 74 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:10.120 of reason, like we wanted to be a voice of 75 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:14.439 reason for this information, for this secret Space program topic 76 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:18.680 and take it seriously and not focus on just criticizing 77 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:21.480 or cutting down other people who are telling his stories. 78 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:24.639 And most of the time what happens is people out 79 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:29.800 there make films and they just the whole film is dedicated. 80 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.319 It would be a two hour feature film dedicated to 81 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:36.120 debunking the movement, which in my opinion, if you have 82 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:39.879 to spend if you make a two hour feature length 83 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:44.399 film with professionally produced documentary just to debunk something, in fact, 84 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:48.120 you're validating it, because what's the point otherwise, you know. 85 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:53.279 So this has been three years in the making. Hours 86 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:57.480 lost count of the hours it took and trips and 87 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:00.480 money and all the stuff it took to put this 88 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:03.600 film together and learning the hard way every step of 89 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:06.680 the way. We're not filmmakers, we're not producers. You know, 90 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:09.480 I can't. I lost count of the YouTube tutorials that 91 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:11.800 I watched to you know, learn tips and tricks and 92 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:15.240 editing programs and this and that. So it's really a 93 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:20.839 grassroots effort. And I actually watched other documentaries as like 94 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.439 research projects, and I would see how they did things 95 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:26.040 and how they framed things and how like the most 96 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:29.879 famous films are doing producing their documentaries now. So I 97 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:32.560 use that as a guideline. So we fit in and 98 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:37.120 we're relevant. And it's it's out now on our Patreon. 99 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:39.959 You can purchase it and I'll send you that link 100 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.839 so you can put it below. But it's really going 101 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:45.680 to hit the streaming platforms hopefully in a couple of months. 102 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:47.680 You know, we have to submit it and it takes 103 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:50.240 time for that ball to get rolling. So it's going 104 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.439 to be out there on Amazon Prime, Roku, Hulu, potentially 105 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:55.319 Apple TV, I mean, we're putting it out there to 106 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:58.720 all of them. We'll see which ones bite. But that 107 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:01.600 ball is rolling and works. So this is the first wave, 108 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.439 and hopefully once it hits the streaming platforms, you know, 109 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:08.720 it'll get even further and bigger and further and reach 110 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:11.319 you know, some of the people out there that I 111 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:14.360 think need to see it, they really won't find it 112 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:17.480 on our Patreon for now. So in a nutshell, without 113 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:20.000 saying too much more, that's kind of where we're at 114 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:22.000 with it. And Aaron, if you wanted to piggyback off 115 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:22.279 of that. 116 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:29.240 Yeah, well said yeah, I mean, like you said, the 117 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:32.199 main goal, Well, I guess there's kind of two main 118 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:38.319 goals to it. Were number one, to reach, as you say, 119 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:42.000 the skeptics, or I would just say, people that just 120 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:45.959 don't know anything about this stuff. We wanted to make 121 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:51.319 it as digestible as possible and as as you know, 122 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:54.040 there's there's so much. This is a vast subject and 123 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:57.720 it gets very quote unquote out there, right, it gets 124 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:02.879 very like esoteric, and you know, talking about ets and 125 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:07.120 other planets and ships and you know, super soldiers and 126 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:09.720 go down the cloning, go down the list. Right, there's 127 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:14.720 just so much that somebody that doesn't have any background 128 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:18.920 in that information might be turned off if you go 129 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:22.480 kind of like too much too soon, you know. So 130 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:24.959 we kind of tried to make it and also as 131 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:30.120 three D meaning like the is much earth based, right, 132 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:33.240 earth based and military and things like that as possible, 133 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:36.639 because there's a lot of that, you know, and there's 134 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:42.079 so much evidence there. So we're trying to cast a 135 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:46.000 wide net essentially to We're like, Okay, if somebody knows nothing, 136 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.720 not even anything about any of the UFO stuff, euthology 137 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:55.279 or or anything, you know, would to come across this, 138 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:58.360 would they not be turned off? You know, even if 139 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:00.839 there's things in there they might be like eh, would 140 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:04.519 they at least be intrigued and be like, whoa, there's 141 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:07.319 definitely something to this. So we kind of had that 142 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:10.160 goal in mind to capture a wide audience, get them 143 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:13.639 interested in realizing there is some something real going on 144 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:17.160 here and I'm going to investigate further. And number two 145 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:21.199 I would say is we wanted to kind of bring 146 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:24.560 the credibility back to this subject that unfortunately has been 147 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:28.720 very damaged over at least the last five or six 148 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:34.480 years or really longer, but especially over that timeframe based 149 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:36.720 on a certain individual who I'm not we're not going 150 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:42.039 to name here, but it's unfortunate because it seems like 151 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:45.799 ninety percent or more of people that came across the 152 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.559 subject came across it because of this individual or because 153 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.200 of the show on Gaya that kind of like really 154 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.519 popularized the subject, and this person was on that show, 155 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:01.039 so they kind of, in most people's minds, became synonymous 156 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:04.360 with the subjects, or at least like in their minds, 157 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:08.440 at least he was the first person to come out, 158 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:10.600 which is not true at all, but in most people's minds, 159 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:13.159 they don't they didn't really research it as much as 160 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:15.039 we have, so in their minds, oh, he was the first, 161 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:18.480 and then everyone else came after him, and then because 162 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:22.480 of his behavior and things kind of like in their minds, 163 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:24.679 discredited the whole subject, kind of like throwing the baby 164 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:27.440 out with the bathwater. And then I've even seen so 165 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:31.039 many people seem to think everyone else was just copying 166 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:33.440 off of him, like he was the first and everyone 167 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.480 else is just copying off of him and stealing his 168 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.799 and that is not true. I know, you know that, uh, 169 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:42.200 And in fact, there were people well before he ever 170 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:45.200 before anyone knew who he was or came public. There's 171 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:48.279 tons of whistleblowers and insiders that talked about this many 172 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:52.879 many years and decades ago. There's a whole history going 173 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:56.919 back decades of the subject and experiencers that came out 174 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:00.639 you know, many many years ago, well before that. So 175 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:03.360 but if you don't know that, you know, like I said, 176 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:06.960 ninety percent of people that know about the subjects seem 177 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.919 to not understand that, and it kind of all gets 178 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:13.679 discredited because of because of that unfortunately, So we're trying 179 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.759 to bring that credibility back. We're trying to reverse the 180 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:21.639 damage that was caused there. And you know, at least 181 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:25.200 for sure in the communities that we're in, I think, 182 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:27.960 well for sure, you know, watch this film and realize, 183 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.480 wait a second, there is something here. This is very real, 184 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:35.759 and hopefully people even outside of our community this, you know, 185 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:38.919 we're rapping this will be a catalyst for who knows, 186 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:41.279 maybe they're awakening in general, or at least to take 187 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:44.039 the subject seriously and do more research and dive down 188 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:44.679 the rabbit hole. 189 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:49.759 Wow, what an incredible intention. So much gratitude that you're 190 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.960 you know, doing that because it's gotten so messy and 191 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:58.159 you know, fragmented people are you know, handling this subject 192 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.360 for sure? And you guys have witnessed so much since 193 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:03.720 the beginning, the events that you've done, and all the 194 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:08.039 podcasts that you've had. What was the hardest part about 195 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:08.720 making this film? 196 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:13.320 You think, I will go out on the limb and say, 197 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.679 there were a number of things that I believe happened 198 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:23.519 were attempts to thwart the film's effort. People, individuals, just 199 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:26.799 things that happened in our lives during the process of 200 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:30.639 this that tried to destroy our credibility as podcasters. And 201 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.759 a number of things happened that were heartbreaking. And there 202 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.200 were things even that you know, down to a private 203 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:42.759 you know, the private level in my life that I think, 204 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:46.279 you know, during the editing process, there was some difficulties. 205 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.240 Things were happening in my life that didn't seem natural, 206 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:52.200 that seemed like they just get were like setbacks in 207 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.840 the film or just like I really wanted to focus 208 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:56.639 on it and I had to focus on this today 209 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:00.000 and say just things like that, it was actually there. 210 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:01.399 There was a lot of pushback along the way, and 211 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:03.559 people don't understand that. And I was like, man, this 212 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:06.519 subject I'm like, somebody does not want this subject covered 213 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:09.840 like this, And so that was the hardest part. Everything 214 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:12.679 else comes from the heart. It's a passion project, so 215 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.360 that all was easy. I mean, there's a lot of hours, 216 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:17.600 and I guess the second hardest part would be just 217 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:20.360 so much time in front of the computer, which is 218 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:23.080 more time than I'd like to spend, but that's what 219 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:25.679 it takes to do a film like this, And so 220 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:30.120 there was pushback, and you know, it was you know, 221 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:35.000 I spent an unhealthy amount of time hours behind the computer, 222 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:38.159 and I think, you know, took a toll on my 223 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:40.240 physical health a little bit. But I'm getting back in 224 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:42.120 the gym and stuff now. But that was just because 225 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:44.919 I was so focused on the project. Other than that, 226 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:48.639 the rest of it it came easy because we had 227 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.000 known these We knew It's not like we were finding random people. 228 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.919 In fact, we knew our no and our friends with 229 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:57.639 everybody in the film or you know, if they're still alive, 230 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:00.200 because there's a number of people that appear in the 231 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:04.159 film that are no longer with us, unfortunately. But it's 232 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:09.120 so we understood, we knew these people's stories inside and out. 233 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:12.200 It's not like We're new to this, so I knew 234 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:16.720 exactly what I wanted from each person's testimony to include, 235 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:20.399 to really build this, to paint this picture right, and 236 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:22.480 to build this case for the secret space program. But 237 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.039 I don't think as a filmmaker just going out there 238 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:29.120 trying to cover this subject without having the background that 239 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:31.960 we do, I don't think it could be as impactful 240 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.720 because you have to know these testimonies inside and out. 241 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.759 You have to know the subject inside it out to 242 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:42.679 really deliver something that's impactful. And I think that was, 243 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:46.120 you know, that was the passion and the motivation and 244 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:48.440 the whole just idea behind the film. 245 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:50.840 Yeah, that's why I don't feel like there's anybody more 246 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:53.480 qualified than the two of you. So what were you 247 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:54.600 going to say, Aaron? 248 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:59.759 Yeah, And you know, over the last few years we've 249 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:04.039 watched you know, we've seen like some big names in 250 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:08.039 ufology or in the disclosure community or whatever you want 251 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:11.320 to call it, kind of like either due to a 252 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:13.759 straight up hit piece. Its either like you said, or 253 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:18.240 kind of pretend to do a pretend to cover this 254 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:23.200 topic in a legitimate way, but then like basically debunk it. 255 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:27.200 Kind Of like I'll just say, like WI Files, did 256 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:29.000 you know where they do that with a lot of 257 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.639 subjects actually where they'll they'll cover it and it sounds 258 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:35.120 very researched, and partly it is, but then there's a 259 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:37.519 lot of dis info in there as well, things that 260 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:41.639 aren't you and then you know, they'll basically it basically 261 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:43.879 is like this syop that like makes you think the 262 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.440 subject's been fully covered and everything you need to know 263 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:49.879 has been covered and there's basically nothing here and move along, 264 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:53.879 you know, And especially when it's a you know, a 265 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:59.039 channel like that with millions of viewers, it's like, oh great, 266 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:02.120 so you know, most people are getting funneled into that 267 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:05.440 things like that, and then they're like, yeah, that's basically bs, 268 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:08.960 nothing to see here, move along, you know. Yeah, it 269 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:14.559 sounds very interesting, it's interesting. It's an interesting concept. Yeah, 270 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:18.120 constant fictional story you know, as like entertainment, but there's 271 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.919 no reality here. Move along. And we're like, great, you know, 272 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.639 we we need to like no, no, no, we need to 273 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:27.279 let people know this is real and show them the 274 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:31.519 reality here, you know, and then let them go on 275 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:34.039 their own journey from there, you know, to decide. But 276 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:36.039 like we need to give them the truth and the 277 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.360 real facts and the real the real experiences, and you know. 278 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:42.000 Or just delivered or just cover it in such a 279 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:44.919 way that leads to people decide exactly right. 280 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:46.399 And that's what we tried to do as well. 281 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.799 Right, that's everything, because I mean, this is part of 282 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:55.000 the deep state tactic, is too knowing that it's all 283 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:59.919 being exposed, is to kind of mitigate it through diminishing 284 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:02.039 in a subtle sort of way. And I've noticed this 285 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:06.159 with just power narratives, false narratives, sound bites take and 286 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:09.600 that go viral. But when I'm doing like mass articles 287 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:13.080 or even my book, it's like doesn't really get around 288 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:16.759 as much. It just gets minimized, I mean, just disclosures, 289 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:22.159 so like satanic panic under every video. Yeah, i mean 290 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:24.960 it's crazy. So what did you make sure was in 291 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.240 the documentary that you've noticed as a common thread amongst 292 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:30.039 many experiencers. 293 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.559 Yeah, So there was a very specific angle I wanted 294 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:38.120 to approach this with was involving people that were in 295 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:43.480 the military. Now, there's a number of secret space program whistleblowers, 296 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:47.120 right that have memories and have experiences, but they're just 297 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:51.399 average jos And I'm like, unfortunately, we're still in the 298 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:54.360 place in the collective where you listen to the guy 299 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:56.440 in the lab coat, you listen to the guy with 300 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:00.399 the military credentials. It seems more credible that way, and 301 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.120 that's the only way we're going to reach a broader 302 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:06.079 audience is to include all the people in the film 303 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:09.319 to have military backgrounds or like yourself, who your grandfather, 304 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:13.559 you know, great grandfather was actually the president, and just 305 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:18.400 a number of people that have somehow credentialed enough to 306 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:22.039 that an average person would actually listen to what they say. 307 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:25.559 And Tony rod Riggs is the rare case who's in 308 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.599 the film where he isn't wasn't in the military, but 309 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:30.880 he has a lot of boots on the ground evidence. 310 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:32.759 We were able to go to the place that he 311 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:36.720 remembered and it's this whole, very very compelling thing that 312 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:39.400 not many other people can bring to the table. So 313 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:41.880 it was important to present it in such a way 314 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:46.079 where even like a skeptic like I said earlier, would 315 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:49.920 take it seriously. And that, in my opinion, was including 316 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:53.839 the people that have stories being recruited into these programs 317 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:56.799 through the military, and that was a big focus. And 318 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:00.240 the second focus was we're not jumping off planning yet 319 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.319 as far as we went, and the movie was the Moon, 320 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:05.880 because there's a lot of people have been talking about 321 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:07.519 the Moon for a lot of years, and there's a 322 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:09.920 whole flat Earth narrative that's trying to debunk the Moon 323 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:13.519 in general, trying to say it's a hologram, you know. 324 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:16.400 So we wanted to build this case also that these 325 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:19.440 people like the jumping off point for the secret space 326 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:23.039 program is the Moon. But primarily we focused on all 327 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:26.839 the Earth based side of the testimonies. Things people can 328 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:29.279 go research. They can go look up this military base. 329 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:31.680 They can go look up this person's military records and 330 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:34.079 see that they were actually in the military, in the Navy, army, 331 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:37.920 whatever it was. They can actually things, they can go verify. 332 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:39.799 If we were to jump off planet and say, oh, 333 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:42.960 this guy served on Jupiter or Office and tar whatever. 334 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:46.440 You know, these wild stories. No one can prove that 335 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:48.359 one way or the other, and then you're just you're 336 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:51.839 just telling a story. And then in this case, we're 337 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:54.720 providing evidence that these people were involved in the military. 338 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:57.440 This is their testimony, this is what it looks like. 339 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:00.319 And if you could at least get p people to 340 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.119 grab onto that, then maybe they'll be interested in part 341 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:05.480 two of this documentary that takes it a little further. 342 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:10.279 Ah, brilliant. Yeah, create that foundation and that'll help strengthen 343 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:13.880 people's discernment, which is so necessary. Aaron, what were your thoughts? 344 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:15.480 What are your thoughts on what he just said? 345 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:19.599 Yeah, that's that's exactly what we tried to do. Is 346 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:24.160 you know, it's like start from start from step one, 347 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:29.160 start from square one, where get put the reality you 348 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:32.720 know out there of like, this is real. It's very 349 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:35.680 real from an Earth based, military based perspective, three D 350 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:39.160 based perspective, even without even going into all those more 351 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:42.160 off planet and seem you know, seemingly more out there, 352 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:46.559 even though when you understand you know, reality and what's 353 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:49.119 really going on, it's not out there. It's just from 354 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:52.559 a certain perception it is. But but you know, from 355 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:57.359 most people, for most people, it's like you're like skipping 356 00:19:57.400 --> 00:19:59.880 a step or multiple steps if you just go straight 357 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.599 you like Tyler said, oh my experience on this planet 358 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:08.359 or way out there in space. You know, people that 359 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.680 don't have the background. Again, like I said earlier, it's 360 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.359 like you're you're skipping to a more advanced place that 361 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:17.640 they're not ready for so in their mind they're like, oh, 362 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:20.000 this is just a crazy story that somebody's making up. 363 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:23.720 You know, they're lying for money or fame or attention 364 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:26.240 or whatever. You know. It's it's so easy for people 365 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:29.960 to just jump immediately to assume that when something that's 366 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.559 way out of their paradigm is being said by somebody, right, 367 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:34.720 it's like, oh, they must be They must be either 368 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:37.319 crazy or lying. Those are the only two options, right, 369 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:40.839 you must be there crazy or lying. But if if 370 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:43.799 you can, you know, if they can understand this is 371 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:46.200 a real subject, that there is reality here and it 372 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:49.319 is earth based, and there's tangible things you can investigate 373 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:53.720 that show the reality of this, and then you know, 374 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:56.920 at a certain point you can people once they accept, 375 00:20:56.960 --> 00:20:59.559 once they get there, they can be like, Okay, why 376 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:03.319 wouldn't these experiences that these people are all saying be real? 377 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:04.160 Right? 378 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:06.920 You know, if this is real? Of course, you know, 379 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:09.960 not saying to just automatically believe everyone just because they're 380 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:13.680 telling the story. But if they have the credentials, or 381 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:17.839 if they've proven themselves, or if you understand certain concepts 382 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:21.720 and certain information to be real, then it's not a 383 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:25.319 stretch to especially if it's the same people that you've 384 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:29.799 already you believe are credible saying these things, especially somebody 385 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:32.000 like Tony who's done all this boots on the ground 386 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:35.960 investigation himself, and Tyler we've you know, done a little 387 00:21:35.960 --> 00:21:39.720 bit with him even where he's he's found the things 388 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:42.119 that he remembers that weren't in his organic timeline. But 389 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:44.519 he has these very vivid memories and can go to 390 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:46.519 the places and he'll he'll say the things and then 391 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:48.960 he'll go there and it's all exactly how he remembers it. 392 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:53.720 He has many, you know, many things that I think 393 00:21:54.759 --> 00:22:01.160 even the you know, the most skeptical people you know, 394 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:04.039 if they truly looked at his information and what he's 395 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:07.000 come across, can say, Okay, you know, I can't I 396 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:10.039 at least can't explain this away. There has to be 397 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:14.319 something going on, right, Yeah. So that's the step that 398 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:17.160 we tried to, you know, do with this documentary as 399 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:20.359 well as we could, and then who knows, maybe we'll 400 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:22.839 do maybe I'm not saying, you know, maybe at some 401 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:25.400