Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans. Welcome to my kitchen.
I am in a new location today, adjacent to the
closet office I usually use, so thank you for hanging out.
I'm Chuck Buckler, joined by Adam Osland. William Updyke is
unavoidably detained. Adam, did you see we did an episode
recently where you were unavoidably detained? And will was like, oh,
I've never I was like, oh, yeah, Adam's unavoidably detained
and Will was like, oh, I've never heard that. I
like that and it was like, that's because you're always gone.
Speaker 2: You're the one.
Speaker 1: You are the one unavoidably detained.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's pretty hilarious.
Speaker 1: This is the twenty first episode of the fourth season
of Clips and Dip. Thank you for hanging out with us.
If you're watching, Thank you. If you're listening and you
want to watch, you and find us at YouTube dot com,
slash at Clippers podcast. Check out the paper Bowl. The
vibes were very high for the paper bowl.
Speaker 2: Un money, yeah, get us some more clicks. Damn it
because Robert Flohm didn't eat that paper for nothing. That
should be over one hundred thousand by now.
Speaker 1: It was amazing, and he did eat the paper. The
idea that he didn't eat the paper.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I kept asking, could he just like
drop it like this so everybody can make sure they
could see and everybody bears witness. But the first one
is obvious. He is regripping at it. Yeah, we got
the good sound effect in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Shout out to Robert Flahm. Shout out to Clipper
social media, everybody who is down with that. Clippers are
playing the Nuggets. We're going to talk about there's some
more trade stuff and an l Frank extension that probably
happened that the team just hasn't announced yet, But Adam,
I want to get right into it. The Nuggets are
going to be without Jokic, Aaron Gordon and probably Christian Brown.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow and Cameron Johnson.
Speaker 1: And Cameron Johnson.
Speaker 2: It's four starters, dude, But they have been missing four
starters for a while. They still were winning because Peyton
Watson all of a sudden became one of the best
players in the league and now the Lakers are going
to try trade for him. Hashtag you know you're doing
good when you get the hashtag future Laker out Who
the photoshop.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he's averaging. Jokic went down New Year's
Eve basically, and since then, Peyton Watson's at a pretty
efficient twenty two points per game. Is he the main
focus tomorrow for the Clippers?
Speaker 2: Like it depends if Jamal Murray plays because he's playing tonight.
Does he plan on the back to back because he
was questionable or probable to come in tonight? So yeah,
it could be the reserves, a lot of reserves, definitely
for the Denver Nuggets. But Clippers can't overlook them because
those guys still play well together, they have a culture
there and they're always tough in Denver. Of course.
Speaker 1: Yes. The other factor that makes this a must win
to me is the fact that they are playing as
we're recording this, so the Clippers will have the rest advantage.
This is the second time we played the Nuggets. Last
time did not go well. Yok had fifty five.
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 1: We didn't have.
Speaker 2: Kawhi he set that into a Dome scoring record until
Kawhi mashit.
Speaker 1: It's Kawhi's record. We don't acknowledge. We don't acknowledge the
other one. What is like, what's the out we've been
The Clippers have been killing it. Obviously, go back to
win Yokic went out the clip. It's been very good
for the Clippers. Is there an outlier you're worried about
from the clips good play that might not show up
against the Nuggets.
Speaker 2: Um, well, they are five and three in games where
they have twenty turnovers or more, which doesn't seem sustainable,
and so it tells you they've had eight games where
they've had twenty turnovers or more. It's funny because overall
the turnovers have been down the last month and a
half with this turnaround, but then they have these weird
spike games here and there, and yet they still are
winning the majority of those games. So I think it's
still about the defense. Overall, the defense shows up, it
gives you a larger margin for error in other areas.
But the Clippers, again, they have outshot their opponent in
I think fifteen of the sixteen wins in the last
nineteen games from three. So that's kind of a big deal.
When you win every game that you outshoot them from
three almost and.
Speaker 1: You win the game where you shoot what seventeen percent
from three?
Speaker 2: What was it five of twenty nine or twenty eight
or twenty six the Wizards game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we also got to win there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only one I think that they won
where they didn't out shoot their opponent from three in
the sixteen of nineteen.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be weird. So, yes, they have four starters out.
It's kind of hard to look at their like stat profile.
They haven't been playing good defense. The Nuggets is who
I'm talking about here for the listener. Their defense has
been bottom eight since Jokic went out and with everyone
else Gordon was out or Gordon's out. He guarded Collins
for the most part the last time out and did
a pretty good job on John. Collins larger than Colin,
so he pushed him around a bit. But that's not
gonna be there. Like, who is their best defensive player now?
I guess with all of these guys out, like, the
Clippers have a lot of chances if they're focused for
Harden and Kawida. I'm not gonna say have an easier
or short night or anything like that, but the opportunities
will be there early for the Clippers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, start fast, you know, kind of assume you're dominance
early on show that you're cut above this banged up
Denver Nuggets team and don't give them life early, which
we did see a little bit of the last time
out by the Clippers. They were down by eleven in
the first quarter. Don't let that happen again. But also
respect to your pulament because they still have good players
on this team, and they've been getting by without four
of their five starters for a while this season. Like
I think Jalen Picketts, he's been good for them. Zeke
Naji is one of those guys that people talked about
for years with the Denver Nuggets that he could be
kind of a swing guy. Same with Julian Strather. If
they really step up, this team's going to be even
tougher to beat. But tim Ardaway Junior is a flamethrower
if he gets it going early on. He's one of
those guys that can be one shot hot, and he
struggled against Milwaukee. And they're one on two, one hundred
win most recently until the night's game against Brooklyn going
five or fourteen, So we'll see, uh if those numbers change.
But like they're still talented, they're still well coached, and
they're still at home. So even the second half a
back to back. You just cannot look past him.
Speaker 1: And they have noted Clipper killer Jonas Valentunis on their team, so.
Speaker 2: We need he's back at least right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's playing a night versus the nets. We need
to account for the fact that he might hit six threes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, that's somebody that you know, you may want
to close out on on the three point line because
he sees the Clippers and he feels comfortable. Although when
he did the seven to three game against the Clippers
his career high, that was against a different Clippers uniform,
you know, not as beautiful as the ones they wear today.
So maybe he doesn't see the Clippers and feels as
confident as he used to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's too Yeah, he's too taken aback from the
beauty of the of the new jerseys.
Speaker 2: I think lost in the sauce.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're onto something there.
Speaker 2: That's why they changed the jerseys. Actually, just for that reason.
Speaker 1: We got we got to put a stop to we're
being terrorized by this guy. Is he Lithuanian or is
he yes? Yeah, this Lithuanian. Yeah, this one is it?
Trap game vibes? Wait, are the Clippers now good enough
to be the victim of a trap game. I guess
we have we gotten to that. We've kind of talked
about that the last week and a half, but are
we good enough?
Speaker 2: I think they are the Jazz game again. They were
down eleven in the first quarter, the Jazz got the
jump on them, but honestly, the Clippers were just missing
a ton of easy shots. They were two of twelve
in the first quarter and the rest of the way
I think they shot forty seven from three after that,
and they got the exact same looks and they just
stuck with it. So there wasn't anything glaring in the
first quarter where it was just low energy or a
bunch of turnovers or they were being out rebound or
anything like that. They just missed the same shots that
they were making later. So I don't even think that
was a situation where they overlook the Jazz and started
slow because of the opponent or looking past them, and
it was a traff game like that. I do have
confidence in this team locking in and because it's Denver
still in name, even without so many guys missing, right,
they should probably get up for this opponent regardless.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean they have to write. If you look
at kind of the standings too, Clippers are one win
and one lost back from the Blazers, three and a
half games back from the Warriors, who might trade for you, honest,
so we don't really know what's gonna happen there, and
then five and a half games back from the seven
seed Suns, who we do play on Sunday. So like,
this is a really huge game for the standings. This
is one that they have to get to, Like, you
can't drop these games if you're trying to be the
first team to ever be over five hundred after starting
as poorly as they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, if you're still under five hundred, there should
be no traff game. Just show them they got before
the game starts. They're still twenty two and twenty four
as good as we have been. Guys, hey a great kid.
Don't get cockys. Han Solo told Luke Skywalker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I was thinking about that today. I
was kind of like I was looking at the guys
who are I was like, I'm feeling pretty good about this,
and then I felt like a like light bulb, be
like why actually, like they're twenty two and four yeah,
you fool. Yeah, I just hope they take it seriously.
I think they will because we haven't seen a lot
of unseerious play from them. But I'm hypher whatever John
Collins is going to do, because he isn't going to
be bodied up by Aaron Gordon. Like Chris Dunn was
a and I mean this in the nicest way possible,
a goddamn lunatic on defense. Last game that was one
of the like.
Speaker 2: Best sensive player of the year type of game.
Speaker 1: God, like was it three steals and scores in the
third quarter by itself and just like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he like generated nine points all on his own,
wiping scores and he was.
Speaker 1: He on Murray for the most part the last time
we played. Not that it mattered because yeah, five, but
I have to imagine he'll be on him again.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the head of the snake. That's what
Chris Dunn does now against Utah. I think there's even
something extra there because obviously he was a member of
the Jazz and as Brian Seman would say, going up
against your former employers just a little bit different out there,
but going up against Denver without so many guys but
still having Jamal Murray should also get the competitive juices
going since they beat you in the first round in
a series that was very winnable, and you can even
go back further than that. Obviously, Chris Dunn wasn't involved
in twenty twenty, but there's a history between these two teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I always another we got kind of already
talked about him, but I feel like Zoo gets up
for this Valance Unis matchup. There's that that Euro angst
that those two have against each other in a healthy
competitive way. I mean, and Zoo has been good lately,
but kind of seeing another breakout whatever you know, you
want to call it, that would go a long way
if the Clippers can't figure anything else on defense or
on offense. And you know, it's kind of weird to
start being able to use the security blanket for Zoo.
If he has, it would be great.
Speaker 2: So before the game on Sunday against Brooklyn, coach lou
let the cat out of the bag a little bit
so to speak with just how banged up maybe a
visa Zubots has been. He was talking about his ailments
and how he's a guy that just never wants to
come off the floor. He came back early from the
ankle injury that was a three week timeline. He came
back in two again, Yeah, and then missed the game
and then came back. I think that has to be
part of the context here with the Beata zoobots and
his up and down play. He's I think, really been
more banged up than anybody has let on, including himself,
just because he's an iron man that he's used to
always playing and he wants to play through everything. And
I don't think it's to the team's detriment or anything
like that. He still has been okay, he still has
been a plus out there. It's just can he get
back to last year's level consistently. I think that is
partially due to how teams are playing him this season,
partially because of the way the Clippers started the year off,
and now also because he's just been banged up for
like a month at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he man, and he takes a lot of hits, right,
like with a lack of whistles. Yeah, So yeah, a
big game from him would be nice. But yeah, it
just feels it's gonna be weird. I don't want people
to freak out because it's just again, it's hard to
play an opponent that has this many people out because
you're just like, what are you guys going to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you may get a taste of your own medicine.
When the Clippers have so many guys out, They've had
some really incredible and performances. And the unknown factor with
this Denver team and young guys playing for minutes in
their house, it's scary.
Speaker 1: And it is a yeah. I don't know if people
forget about the advantage of being and feet above sea
level for a professional team, but it is a real thing.
It does make a difference. And this Clippers team is older,
so I think you know we mentioned John Collins. There's
a game where you hugely miss Derek Jones Junior. I
mean every game you do, but when it comes to
needing guys to maybe run a little bit, you really
miss him. Here too, who's your player of the game pick?
We got to pick for Will too.
Speaker 2: So who is Kawhi off the board?
Speaker 1: James questionable? Which when is that ever going to stop?
Speaker 2: As long as he keeps playing through it, I'm good.
There were two days off and I saw a picture
of him today practice, so I expect him to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, also same here.
Speaker 2: I think it's just how does he feel when he
wakes up. The reason we keep him questionable is because
he could wake up the next day and not feel
great after practice. So it's just responsible.
Speaker 1: It's responsible, guys. Yeah, Well, Kawhi's not on the table,
Harden's not on the table, and I don't think Zoo's
on the table.
Speaker 2: All right, I might give me then.
Speaker 1: Went off against him last time.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna go with Kobe Sanders. Okay, I like
Kobe Sanders in this game. When's the last time he
had like fourteen or more in a ball game? Was
it the Warriors game? Has it been since he had
that twenty point game against them?
Speaker 1: Damn he?
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, he's had thirteen, he's had eleven, He's
had eleven. Give me fourteen plus tomorrow Kobe Sanders in
this game, because I.
Speaker 1: Was gonna almost go Jordan Miller because he had what
twenty one last time out against the Nuggets, which I
didn't look at the box score. I'm not sure how
many of those came once the white flag was out,
but he had a good game, so he could even
do something I was I've been talking about a bunch.
I was gonna go John Collins because too e isy
very he might be on the list at this point.
Speaker 2: He probably should be sixty percent for three for over
a month and we lost Chuck there. He's back Chuck
in and out this player to watch John Collins. We
think he's leaving us in suspense here. I am going
to go with Kobe Sanders, though, just because I want
to look smart. Kobe Sanders is shooting. To be fair
to Kobe Sanders, well, the scoring isn't up that much
this past month. He's still shooting forty percent from the outside.
He's still at forty five percent from the field. The
efficiency has been there, it's just not on volume. He's
only attempting seven shots per game in the month of January.
What I like about Kobe and what he's been able
to do is, regardless of how much he's scoring out there,
and I asked coach Lou about this, his defense has
consistently been strong for this team. He has taken up
the challenge of when Chris Dunn is not out there.
When he's out there in the second unit, Kobe Sanders
is often guarding the opposition's best players, so he'll probably
gets a minutes against Jamal Murray. Chuck, I kind of
see you jumping in out a little bit talk to me.
Maybe not seen, but not heard. So this Clippers team
in Denver, which can be a hellish place obviously, can
be a house of horse for the Clippers. Regardless of
who is available. They may have to rely on their
youth because the youth they don't feel the altitude as much.
I want to believe that's true. They got those young
lungs as well. Here we saw what happened in Game
one of the playoffs last year. Even after the Clippers
had that week off against Denver, they still look like
they were gassed by the end of that game, getting
use to the vile high air, and that was unfortunate
because they probably should have won that game. And then
Kawhi came back in at thirty nine in Game two
after they got acclimated to the weather. But this is
going to be one of those games where, yes, it
feels like a must win because the opportunity is there.
When you're sixty to three, expectations start to creep in.
When you're playing the best basketball in the league and
you got a team on a back to back. Granted
they're at home, but they're missing for their five starters
out there. Who knows if even Jamal Murray plays in
this one. You have to keep this ongoing. The Clippers
truly do. And Chuck, are you back? I see you,
you're the thinking man. You're frozen here. But jokis, Oh
we got you. I think we got you. I hear you, Chuck. Now,
what we'll do here is we'll take a quick time out.
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tries to jump back in here on the live well,
if you're watching this, thank god we didn't go live here.
Maybe we'll chop some of this out, but Clippers in
Denver tomorrow night. But we have some other news for you,
as Chuck, it looks to be looks to be moving. Yeah,
I hate this.
Speaker 1: I genuinely I am so sorry to everyone who listens
to the show or watches the show. This has been
a living hell. I get new Internet tomorrow. I'm so
upset and so stressed out. I'm not usually this upset
of a person. I can't fucking stand this. And I
apologize to people who listen and watch, because I'm going
to punch a hole through JR. Spectrum for starting this
bullshit company.
Speaker 2: Let's get some belated airing a grievances. I'm going at
the language.
Speaker 1: I heard what you were saying about relying on the youth,
which I would love. What if we were able to
do that. I love that the Clippers are able to
kind of clause I do that now.
Speaker 2: I did take a quick time out, Chuck, and we're
just about to start segment two. But I haven't got
into anything yet. You want to take the lead on
our second subject here?
Speaker 1: Yes, I never get to do the lead in this
is great. Where were we? Yes? So there was trade
stuff that came out Lawrence Frank. Let's start with the
Lawrence Frank thing. Did I believe they signed an extension?
It was reported by Sam Amock and Joe Varden, who
were two people who report accurate things. Yes, for the
most part.
Speaker 2: Like for the Kendrick Perkins, although he always has a
lot to say about him or he and Boogie cousins
I think have gone off on Lawrence Frank before.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it was Lawrence Frank's falt at boogie was
bad for the Clippers. How are we feeling? Do we
think they think it's four years? No contract, deals were disclosed,
nothing from the team.
Speaker 2: Yet we had that report six weeks ago or two
months ago that people freaked out about at the time
because the Clippers were so bad when they were six
and twenty one. Oh, I can't believe this. How are
they going to bring back Laurence Frank? And now we
get dish report and everybody's like, hey, you know good
with it? Looks good to me. What a difference six
weeks can make in a sixteen and three run by
this Clippers team. I think you got to put things
in perspective and look at what's in Laurence Frank's control
and what's outside of it. If Kawhi doesn't tear the
ACL in twenty twenty one, they probably win the ring
and then he has a lifetime contract with the Clippers
because I would have gotten them their first championship. And
I think overall, when you look at everybody's resume in
the NBA in this position, Lawrence Frank has done a
very good job with the Clippers, keeping them competitive even
with all the injuries going on, and even with the
most glaring issue that people bring up all the time
being drafting well, Kobe Sanders, Jordan Miller, Yani Kayam Christie,
everybody loves these guys right now and even you know,
Musa the it looked to be a good draft pick.
You just couldn't crack the rotation with a team that
was trying to win.
Speaker 1: Now right to go to the Hornets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you accept that and the fact that most
guys wash out of the league within three years that
are late first round draft picks and certainly second round
draft picks, that's where you have to acknowledge he's done
a more than adequate job and there's great stability with
this team because of it. And I like the pairing
of him and coach lou And.
Speaker 1: The other part too, is it's a borderline clean slate
in a year and a half for the roster, Like
do you if you're the organization, Balmer wasn't going to
be like, oh, we have these open books, let's bring
in a whole new guy to not, you know, say
what you know I have some issues maybe don't sign
as many older players, but that also could be my
Miami Dolphins GM PTSD.
Speaker 2: It's also like tell me all the young players that
are that good and that cheap then, like it's if
it was only that easy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and people love the signings. Before the season started, everyone.
Speaker 2: All loved it. And now I was beloving him again.
Brook I heard was better than you Zubots for two weeks, right,
he was.
Speaker 1: Killing the starters in practice with CP three.
Speaker 2: He went from washed to better than Zubots in two weeks.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Uh but yeah, like they're just not gonna.
Speaker 2: John Collins, Hey, that was the worst trade ever for
Norman Powell. Oh wait, now it looks great again.
Speaker 1: So yes, it makes me so happy that John Collins
the other day was like I want to be here,
Like I hope I can sign an extension here because
he does genuinely seem to enjoy playing for the team
and he's crushing it.
Speaker 2: So lovette. Oh yeah, he is a breath of fresh air.
I think his energy in that locker room and his
vibe has been awesome, And just how well spoken and
gracious he is with the media is really cool.
Speaker 1: And if you've noticed him and Zoo have gotten better
at playing near the same area around the room.
Speaker 2: It's weird because Zoo came back and yet John Collins
stills shooting so well from the outside. It's almost like
that spacing thing, UH was a myth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean, I know people are gonna be
upset when it's officially announced or whatever, but of things
to be I don't know, man, It's like, what what
do you want him to doing?
Speaker 2: Are you getting this better? Everybody's like everybody's like Bob Myers,
Bob Myers, Like I like Bob Myers. But you could
talk to Golden State Warriors fans about how many picks
that they missed on the two timeline UH plan that
they had. Everybody is the most critical of their own guy,
and they think everybody else's GM or everybody else's head
coach is better. But like Heat fans, they they will
critique Eric Spolster, Golden State fans, they will critique Bob
Myers and and Steve Kerr, and everybody is toughest on
their own guy. But to your point, I like what
you were saying there, Chuck, He's the one that came
up with this vision of being able to reload in
twenty twenty seven, and you're gonna divert from that path
when we're a year less than a year and a
half away from that now.
Speaker 1: I also think too, if you're not a fan of
Lawrence Frank and you do want him to be gone
or whatever, you could look at twenty twenty seven as
all right, put up a shut up now because organizationally, right,
they're gonna see how the plan goes, see how twenty
twenty seven works. If it doesn't work from twenty twenty
seven to twenty thirty two years that sound fake, then
I think you'll possibly see a change, you know what
I'm saying, Like that's fully it. He won't have the
two you know, he won't be not hamstrung. I've just
been that kind of contractually behind two stars like Kawhi
some combination of Kawhi Harden and Paul George like salary wise,
like with the Aprons, It's gonna be a whole new
way to build the team. And the Clippers already showed
because they had to how to maneuver underneath these Apron rules,
right Like they got criticized for letting Paul George walk which.
Speaker 2: How's that look? Now?
Speaker 1: How's that look now? Think if we had Paul George
on this team.
Speaker 2: Quick they pivoted, They had a plan immediately, Chris Dunn,
Nico Back, bring in dj DJ I think was the
first one. John Collins, Yeah, And then they ended up
getting John Collins eventually, who everybody wanted. And then they said, oh,
why do we give up Norm Powell for him? And
now they're thanking their lucky stars that they did do
that trade. I think this season is a lesson in
and it's a lesson for everyone.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I didn't think they were going to go sixteen and
three the next night games, but fans live in the
moment so much, and you have to go pick big
picture view and have a little bit of patience and
not just overreact to every loss in every win because
things can change very quickly. And Lawrence Frank said, you know,
if if I'm wrong he put his name on this
and this team isn't able to turn it around, that
I will make moves aggressively. Well it looks like he
was right, because they turned it around. So the moves
that he made ultimately look pretty damn good. Now, even
though with all the disruptions with injuries going on early,
with DJ and Bradley Beal out for the season, the
CP three stuff, with Kawhi missing ten straight games, They
had a lot thrown at them early. Is that themes
for starting six and twenty one? No, but it's still
when people keep asking how the Clippers have done this?
That's why part of the reason, at least a huge
part of the reason, all those factors why they start
off so poorly. And now you're seeing more of the
team that we expected to start off this year.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and now we've shifted to like Tylou pregame the
other day said it was maybe it was pregame or
postgame said like, it's not going to be a very
eventful trade deadline. Like he was like, I don't think
we're going to see many big changes, And I think
Tylu is actually a good barometer for that because we've
seen what it's like when Tylu wants roster changes right
with Westbrook and stuff like that, like he will, he
will let the press know what he might want to
happen with the roster. So for the fact that he
kind of is even like I think it's going to
be pretty chill, like it's not gonna be that sexy
of a deadline. We're gonna flip guys to make Jordan
Miller and Kobe Sanders full time Clippers, And it sounds
like if they can find a trade for Bogie, they're
looking for it. Brett Siegel kind of brought that up
that Bogden has now come up as the most likely
guy to be moved for the Clippers.
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, a lot of the transactions are
inside the house or internally, like the calls coming from
inside the house, because of Kobe, because of Jordan Miller,
because Kawhi, you know, got back to an MVP level
a Vista Zoobas still has another level he can get
back to, and then some they can get better just
internally right now, and then maybe they make a small
move on the Margins and they have the ability to
do that with Bogee's contract, like you mentioned, I think
that's probably the most realistic scenario.
Speaker 1: I'm also and I'm going to say this every episode
until they get it figured out. Where is CP three going.
He's creeping into Isaiah thomas territory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I assume whatever deal they make somehow he's going
to be in it, but who knows.
Speaker 1: And it's like, do you give him like, because obviously
they want to get him to a place he wants
to go, but it takes two to tango.
Speaker 2: You're gonna quote Mike Dunleavy Jr. What he said the
other day about.
Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm baffled by that.
Speaker 2: Charles Barkley said he should go to the Rockets. All
he needs to do is bring it in to the
half court lines, like, well, I got news for you. Unfortunately,
he was struggling with that earlier this season. I love,
but sometimes, especially with smaller guards, it can go quickly overnight.
And if he still looked as good as he did
last year in San Antonio, he probably already would have
been moved by now.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, man, did you hear this that the Celtics
offered a first round pick, a pick swap and Anthony
Simons for it beats the Zubots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought we heard that like a month ago.
Speaker 1: Dude. It's just keeps coming up from the aggregators and
it's like, and I feel like it's one of the
few things where every single person who sees it is
kind of like, yeah, I get why they said no,
like like Clippers fans who hate Zubots aren't even like
we should have done this trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's funny. I was looking back yesterday with
the Jannis news coming out, uh, and I must have
done at least three episodes this past summer about Giannis,
and one of them I was talking about what you
would have to give up, and I was mentioning, you know,
they're gonna want of beats the Zoo bots in this
most likely. And I was looking at the live comments
coming in looking back on that episode from five months ago,
and everybody just kept saying, Zoo stays, Zoo stays, No,
We're not giving up Zoo for Yannis. And I was
the one being like, guys, I think if you could
get Yannis, you're probably gonna have to give him up,
and that's that would be okay. Uh. Now, I think
a lot more people would would probably say, yeah, we
have to give up Zoo, we give up Zoo for Yannis.
But just you know, we can't be prisoners of the
moment here because people think, well, with the way Zoo
has been playing over the last couple of weeks, that's
how he's going to play the rest of his career
or something. We have a whole season of just how
we looked last year. We've had glimpses of that Zoo
this season. There are reasons, including injury concerns with him
this year, for why he isn't hasn't gotten back to that,
But we just had a game against the Lakers where
we had eighteen and nineteen and we had a game
where he destroyed the Houston Rockets front line. This year.
We had a game where he destroyed Evan Mobley this season,
like that Zoo who is still in him from last season?
To me? So yes, if you get a godfather type
of offer or if it involves getting honest, of course
you have to think about these things. But outside of that,
I think the Clippers are keeping Zoo and his contract
is one of the most valuable in the league. And
somebody came out with a metric or a formula.
Speaker 1: Cool is awesome. It's like so fun to play around with. Sorry,
let me pull that up actually, because we should give
that person credit. It's from Steph no at Twitter on
Twitter at ste p h n Oh. It built a
contracts tool that projects what every player in the NBA
is worth versus what they're actually paid. Pretty cool to
mess around with. Zoo's projected values thirty six million. Brook
Lopez's projected value is thirteen million. Justin Russo put up
the Chris Dunn one, which is just like unreal.
Speaker 2: I actually cooked up Lars Frank. How about Lars Frank?
Speaker 1: I cooked up a Yanis trade? Did you see my
Yannest trade?
Speaker 2: Now? What did you put in there?
Speaker 1: Let me show it to the If you're listening, you're
not going to be able to see this, but I'll
run it down for you because it's a pretty I
think it's a pretty good offer. So the Clippers would
get Yiannis Ante Takumpo and all they would have to
give up is Bogden, Derek Jones, Junior, Brook Lopez, Nick Patoon,
Christ and Bradley Beal, Chris Paul No picks.
Speaker 2: It works in the trade machine, then it might work
in real life.
Speaker 1: Call it up right, like, let's.
Speaker 2: You're not even giving up bots here.
Speaker 1: No, it's a perfect trade, dude, that's.
Speaker 2: What you know. He might want to play with brook
Lopez again, You're honest. So I don't know if he'd
like seeing Brooke having to go back to walk in
the outside of that, though, it's perfect.
Speaker 1: I mean, we can swap, we can swap Kobe Brown
for Brook Lopez. They're getting seven players for one guy.
Speaker 2: How do you know? Do you know how many guys
this season uh both average more points per game and
rebounds per game beat Zoo in both of those categories,
So we're talking bigs obviously here. Oh well, nobody else
is the guard I'm going to rebound him?
Speaker 1: Well, Russ, sorry, I'm gonna say four.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think it's three. Maybe it's gone to four now,
But on my account, it was Jalen Duran because he
scores more points per game than Zoo but doesn't out
rebound him. So actually he's not on the list anymore.
So Carl Anthony Towns is one, sure, and I think
it's just him and Yolkish now because Jalen duran rebounding
dropped recently and beats Zoo Bots is a ten point
nine and Jalen durn is a ten point six. So
two guys that both average more points and rebounds than
it beats the Zobots. Zoo is at uh ten point
nine boards and fourteen point six points. He's kind of
even a season where he's where he's down, where he's
down from last year. He's still pretty pretty damn good.
And his reprotections still been pretty damn good. And I
know he misses some bunnies here and there. Oh well,
look at the overall numbers and efficiency on the block
near the ram and points per possession. He's one of
the top guys in the league.
Speaker 1: And he's still.
Speaker 2: He's he's one of the best post up guys in
the league. Still. People see him miss one layup and
they think it happens every time, and they see him
drop one pass and they think he drops every pass,
and it's like, well, then, how come he only averages
like two turnovers per game? How Come how come it's
not five because the way you guys talk about it
is five. It's just he's he's so valuable to this team,
and let's let's really see what he can do assuming
he's not moved here as he continues to get healthier,
because I think we are going to see. The good
news is with this team is like, well, of course,
Kawhi probably not going to keep up this level of
efficiency over the next month. Other guys could drop back
a little bit. But there's other guys on this team
that aren't playing as well that can play better like
a Beats a Zubots. So if one guy, you know,
goes down a little bit of dipping, the production of
Beats Zubas can help pick it up. That that's what
I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that Jordan Poole is available, which I
was surprised we didn't get any trade ideas sent to
us about Jordan Poole because he's like a guy that
people foolishly are enamored with.
Speaker 2: I have seen that. Somebody hit me up the other
day and was like, he's a marksman, he's a bullseye shooter.
I'm like, he's a thirty four percent his career from three.
What are you talking about.
Speaker 1: He's a streaky guy. He can get on a heater.
Speaker 2: Sure, he can get hot like Soka Jamal Crawford. Doesn't
mean he was some insanely good three point shooter. Jordan
Poole's three point shooting over seven years is at thirty
four point four percent. Do I still like him as
kind of a project guy because he's only twenty six
and he was big actually for Golden State during that
championship run in twenty twenty two, and there's probably more
you can tap into in the right situation. Sure, for
the right for the right deal, I'd be interested in.
It's still but let's let's be honest. He is not.
Just because he averaged twenty one points per game last
season in Washington for a team that won fifteen games
or something like that doesn't mean he can do that
on a winning team. That's the difference. But for the
right deal, I'd be interested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's at thirty two mel this year, thirty four
next year, and then he's oh yeah, and then he's
unrestricted twenty seven to twenty eighth.
Speaker 2: Well for that money, they're probably not doing it because
he goes past. So summer of twenty twenty seven he's unrestricted.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven to twenty eight, he's unrestricted.
Speaker 2: So is that after that season or before that season?
That is what is hen restricted? The summer you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1: The summer of twenty twenty eight, he is unrestricted.
Speaker 2: So it goes past the summer twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Oh no, sorry, summer of twenty twenty seventy is unrestricted.
That's my bad, Okay, okay. Twenty six, twenty seventies at
thirty four mil and then he's UFA.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'd say it's a non starter when past
the summer of twenty twenty seven, but it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It depends as a Hornets player though, or you know
what he's like, it's like, do you want to score
him one? Great?
Speaker 2: Like you may be talking that junk about the Hornets now,
but I'll have you know in this span where the
Clippers they're like gone sixty and three, Yeah, they have
the second best net rating. Guess who's the third best
net rating in the league. The Charlotte Hornets. Yeah, somehow
they're only eleven and ten over that stretch, which doesn't
seem right. That may probably lost a lot of close games,
but they've been winning as of late.
Speaker 1: Yes, I just met you know what I mean. Like
or he's like a Wizards guy where it's like, go
score a bunch of points. Do Jordan Poole basketball?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's can you get more out of him? Can
a change of scenery? Maturity?
Speaker 1: Whatever?
Speaker 2: It's the same stuff we talk about with a Mellow
or Kaminga or a lot of these young talented guys.
But do they play a winning brand of basketball? We
don't know. They haven't yet.
Speaker 1: Pool did for a brief period of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a flash in twenty twenty two, and
yet they still because Draymond punched him and apparently Team Dynamics,
they still let him go.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm so like, I can't wait for Kippy three.
Speaker 2: By the way, Oh that is true, and they didn't
want to give him the extension.
Speaker 1: I look forward to whing Draymond does not. This current
version of Draymond is not playing basketball.
Speaker 2: It's it's a tough watch. Sometimes it's just frustrating. He's
a great competitor, but some of the stuff he does,
and then he says, nobody thinks I'm a dirty player.
Speaker 1: It's like he said that, and then the next the
next game, which might have been the next day, he
elbows the guy and then he's just yelling at the
ref what are you going to do about it? And
it's like you were one of the best defenders, like
for a very long time, like you were anyway. Yeah,
it's just like dude. Austin Rivers canceled his podcast recently.
I hope other players follow suit.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it's probably gonna trend towards more players
podcasting than less over the next few years.
Speaker 1: But have you looked this is maybe a Patreon topic.
Have you looked at some of the YouTube numbers for
these player podcasts and stuff.
Speaker 2: Like who's likesp and stuff? I didn't even know Tree
Young atta consistent one, dude.
Speaker 1: They're like like damakan Sue has like a podcast and
you're just like, no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, does he get does he get listens?
Speaker 1: Let me look it up. But I guess I don't
know what I thought they would be, but they're a
lot lower than like it really adds to the like
what are you doing this for?
Speaker 2: When we have a guy eating paper on ours? Do
we do better numbers?
Speaker 1: We might? Dude, Okay, like the.
Speaker 2: Knicks guys do well. I think the.
Speaker 1: Knicks guys do well. So yeah, like I mean, he
hasn't put out a YouTube video in three months, but like.
Speaker 2: Okay, so he got to be consistent.
Speaker 1: He had Dwight Howard on that got fifteen thou but
like fourth out, it's just numbers where you're like, you
don't need to do this. Tart's man had a pot
at one point, but he's not like a star, so
I kind of get that. But It's just like if dude,
there's no money wandering involved somehow.
Speaker 2: If it's an outlet for them and it's therapeutic to
some even though it's not a huge audience, but they
just like talking about the game, you know, more power to.
Speaker 1: Well MP specifically, isn't just talking about the game.
Speaker 2: I actually think people can hate on this, but I
think Paul George is pretty good most of the time.
I do. I've always thought it was pretty solid. I
haven't Yeah, I haven't watched any recently. Did he Is
he still in dark mode because of like how bad
they started off or going back to last summer. Didn't
he takes some time off? Is he still off? I
feel like I haven't seen a promotion from Dallas Rutherford
for his podcast and forever Man.
Speaker 1: I hated their podcast.
Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty good. They had good guests
on there. I mean, there was some things I really
disliked that they said, obviously, with him calling the Clippers
a B team and all these things, and but he
had like what he had Jerry west On, like that
was a great show. Like they've had some really good shows.
Speaker 1: Last episode was three months ago.
Speaker 2: So that's like, yeah, about the time the season started. Yeah,
he's in lockdown mode.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: God, we'll see him on Monday, Yes we will.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, before we get out of here. We got
Suns on Sunday, which is a huge game for the
standings as well, and then seventy six ers Monday. We're
probably splitting that back to back, right, I keep saying
that he was winning the back to back, so I'm just.
Speaker 2: Gonna I'd be you know, I'd be fine if they
swept the back to back again. I'd be with that. Okay. Uh,
does Philly play on Sunday? Is that a back to
back for them? Because obviously with their injury concerns, if
they're playing a back to back, some guys aren't gonna
play both games, for sure, they're not.
Speaker 1: They're playing, uh Saturday and then Monday. Mhm.
Speaker 2: Joel EMBD looks to be back in a lot of ways.
I don't know, back back MVP level, but he's playing
really well. I'm happy to see that. I love Embeid. Yeah.
Uh so, yeah, that could be a much tougher game
because the Suns without Devin Booker right now, well, they
have some sons culture going on and people have called
them the Clippers. Of last season until the real Clippers
of last season came back with these Clippers of this
season turning things around. But hey, my guy, my guy,
Dylan Brooks, who I like. I told you he does
good things. He's tough man. He creates a culture.
Speaker 1: So the Clippers have a back to and they got
to travel. Albeit it is just La to Phoenix and
then back, so that does make things kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: Five in both.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a five pm game on Sunday too.
Speaker 2: It was a Monday game and eight o'clock start at
the n eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's horrible.
Speaker 2: H I think they could do it. I want to
see is Kawhi gonna play both? I wonder if DJ
comes back?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we never really had any. We got some updates, right.
He was kind of like shooting around practice. Yeah, and
Bogie was doing some oncoming practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: They Bogey more likely to come back money than DJ.
But I don't know. Boge cracked the rotation right now
with how good Kobe Sanders and Jordan Miller.
Speaker 1: Are, Well, you gotta put him in there for trade stuff.
Gotta find ten minutes here and there to put Bogie
in for some trade stuff.
Speaker 2: That's not the worst call. Thet's trade deadline next week,
and they showcase Bogey a little bit beforehand. Hey he's healthy, guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, give him one game. We'll play him thirty six minutes.
Speaker 2: ISOs I like Bogie? I I you know, I had
very high helps for him with the Clippers and unfortunately
just can't stay healthy. It's been rough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been tough.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: That about wraps things up. My Internet has decided to cooperate.
I hope I never have to go through that saga again.
Thank you for sticking with us. We're gonna do a
postgame live hang after tomorrow's bout versus the Nuggets. We
also got some a possible really fun event with lol
wtf Eric coming up where he wants to draw on
a live stream where we just kind of hang out
and talk clips and he does one of his fantastic drawings.
So that will be happening at some point. Nice. He
asked us when do we do our pod and I
was like, we do not have a schedule. We are fluid.
We are fluid. We're gonna a full episode on Tuesday. Reviews. Help,
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It was a good time. Adam. You're one positive thing
for the Clippers heading into kind of a wonky couple
of games.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know Kauai has been dealing with this ailment
with the left knee contusion, then he had the illness,
and then they just got two days off, so two
days off, Saturday off, and then back to back, so
it's a three and four. But after two days off,
there's a good chance some guys can be more well
rested and they can really attack this next stretch of games,
which gets much tougher over the next you know, if
you want to say the next nineteen, just the nineteen
where they just went sixty and three, it's not going
to be as easy to go sixty and three the
next nineteen. But maybe they can get a few guys
healthier for this upcoming three games coming up.
Speaker 1: Here and win the games you should win. Let's let's
get that in there. Thank you again for everyone hanging out.
We will be back tomorrow post game, hopefully after a win.
Make sure you listen to the Clippers Talk as well.
Adam will be doing this thing over there, and as always,
let's go clips.