WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:06.280 It's Night Side with Dan Ray ONBZY, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:11.599 I'm still trying to find slippery Rock and that basketball thing. 3 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:11.960 I don't know. 4 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:13.839 I had slippery Rock to win it all, so I 5 00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:16.160 don't know. Maybe I'm in trouble. I have no idea. 6 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:18.640 You just take a shot, your best shot. My name's 7 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:21.960 Dan Ray. We will talk with a real basketball guy, 8 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:25.000 not about March Madness, but about the Boston Celtics. A 9 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:27.760 little bit later on in this album, Bob Ryan, the 10 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:32.479 great basketball writer, columnist and savant of the Boston Globe, 11 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:35.240 will join us formerly at the Boston Globe and he Perry. 12 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:37.359 You know, they come back, they make their I think 13 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:39.759 Bob might officially be retired or semi retired. 14 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:40.200 I don't know. 15 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:42.240 Anyway, we got a lot to talk about tonight. It's 16 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:45.359 Friday Night Tgif my name is Dan Ray, Rob Brooks. 17 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:46.799 It's been with us all week? 18 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:47.240 Is Rob? 19 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:49.679 And I promised right Rob? And he's back in the 20 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:53.159 control room, ready to go, not taking any phone calls 21 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:56.000 this hour. We'll take him beginning after nine o'clock. We're 22 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.600 gonna talk about how happy are you? And why is 23 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:02.640 he say such an unhappy country? I think I know why, 24 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:04.640 but we'll talk about that. Then we're going to talk 25 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:13.400 with a very critical writer because Mark Hurwitz knows all 26 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:16.120 the ins and outs. He knows all of the restaurant gyms. 27 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:17.959 So if you're looking for a great restaurant tonight, you 28 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:20.680 want to join us. I want to stay with us. Anyway, 29 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:24.280 Lots of information about great eateies in and around Boston, 30 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:27.799 and of course twentieth Hour tonight, and I think we're 31 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:31.519 going to talk about the dead retail change of your youth. 32 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:32.879 What might you miss? 33 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:37.799 This is one that my producer Marita believes in strongly. 34 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:40.879 She misses badly the Christmas tree shops. I'm not that 35 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:43.560 type of a shopper, but there are some things that 36 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:45.840 I would miss as well. Anyway, my name is Dan Ray. 37 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:48.760 We're ready to go now. We have four really interesting 38 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:51.480 guests lined up and I'm going to start off with 39 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:56.680 Archie Gotsman. Is a got Archie. I want to get 40 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:58.120 the pronunciation correctly. 41 00:01:58.359 --> 00:01:59.920 Sure, it's Gottsmith. 42 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:05.719 Hi, very nice to talk with you, Archie. Goddessmian. We 43 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:12.759 deal with issues dealing with anti Semitism, which I know 44 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:14.240 you are very concerned about. 45 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:15.080 As a matter of fact. 46 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:21.719 On Wednesday. Wednesday night, we had a good friend Benny SHARONI, 47 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:24.360 a friend of mine who's the Israeli Consul general to 48 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:26.599 New England on the program. And if you know anything 49 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:31.840 about my show, it's anti Semitism is something that just 50 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:35.000 will not go away and it has to be stamped 51 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:39.159 out at every turn. I don't happen to be Jewish. 52 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:43.400 I happen to be Roman Catholic, but as a television reporter, 53 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:48.280 I filed reports from Auschwitz and one of an Emmy 54 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:51.919 Award for the reports that I filed, and it's something 55 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:55.000 that I feel very deeply about. And welcome to our show. 56 00:02:55.080 --> 00:03:00.719 You're amongst friends. You have a new organization called You Belong. 57 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:05.479 Now some are going to say that's kind. 58 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:09.000 Of a harsh name. I think I know what it means, 59 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:11.520 but I want you to explain it. And you folks 60 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:15.039 who put up some provocative billboards here in the Greater 61 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:20.120 Boston area to essentially make people shock them a little 62 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:21.879 bit and say, hey, look, this is a real problem. 63 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:23.599 We got to deal with it. Go right ahead, Archie. 64 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:23.919 Archie. 65 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:26.199 I didn't mean to dominate, but I wanted to make 66 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:28.560 sure that you were comfortable and that you knew you 67 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:32.360 were with people who are with you shoulder to shoulder 68 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:32.919 on this fight. 69 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:38.439 Thank you so much, Dan, I really appreciate it, because honestly, 70 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:43.319 it's not not only isn't it always the case, but 71 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:47.240 it's often the case where you know, when I speak 72 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:49.120 about you Belong, I don't know if I'm going into 73 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:52.879 a friendly or unfriendly space and people who are you know, 74 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:57.400 just downright anti Semitic. And it's it was not that way, 75 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:00.319 you know, three four or five years ago, and it's 76 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:06.599 the world has just really turned very very challenging for 77 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:10.520 Jews and allies. You know, as you say, you see 78 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:13.560 it as clearly as I do with the anti Semitism 79 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:17.639 that's growing. Anyway, you asked about the name Jubilong. We 80 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:23.279 started ju Belong not to fight anti Semitism, but we 81 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:29.160 actually started it. It's an online organization that is gives 82 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:33.600 away resources for free for people who you know, for 83 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:36.800 Jews or allies. Like maybe some passovers coming up in 84 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:39.480 like a little more than two weeks, and say someone 85 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:43.160 wants to celebrate Passover, but maybe they didn't have any 86 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:46.759 Jewish education or maybe they're not even Jewish, but passovers 87 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:49.680 celebrated by people with many faiths and they want to 88 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:51.959 take a look at the passover Hagada. 89 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:53.560 That's the guidebook. 90 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:59.879 And Jubilong has really easy resources online that people download 91 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.680 or for free and just print out and use. And 92 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:07.399 that's what we were doing, was that kind of work. 93 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:12.959 And then it was actually before October seventh. It was 94 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:16.720 about in twenty twenty one was when the anti Semitism 95 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:21.560 started to be so in your face. That that's when 96 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:24.079 we started with the billboards that you were talking about. 97 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:29.800 And that's now there's two billboards up and I know 98 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:31.600 what they're about, but I want you to explain them 99 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:35.680 because people will be seeing them in the Cambish area. Yep. 100 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:38.399 One of them is on mass Ave in Davenport Street 101 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:42.240 and that one says Radicals ruin America. And the other 102 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:45.439 one is on mass Av in Somerville, av And that 103 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:50.680 says standing against anti Semitism is standing with America. And 104 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.800 you know, it's funny there. And as you said, they 105 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:58.319 are in your face. They're pink and white. You hopefully 106 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:02.399 can't miss them, and they're short and compelling. Because there 107 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:06.399 are not enough people in this country who are aware 108 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:10.040 of anti semitism. You are and your listeners are because 109 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:13.759 because of you know, you're educated about it, but so 110 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:17.279 many people just don't. They're like, oh, really like that 111 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:21.279 anti Semitism growing, and you know, I happen to be Jewish, 112 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:25.920 and it's it is sometimes you know, frightening to sort 113 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:27.839 of to speak that because people are sort of not 114 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:31.759 shy about being, you know, about hating Jews in public. 115 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.240 So what Jubilong is saying is, I mean that's I 116 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:38.279 would say this about any group that was hated. Is 117 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:40.519 you know, it's not okay to hate a group of 118 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:44.319 people just because it's a group of people. And we 119 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:48.000 want to raise awareness, we want people to talk about it. 120 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:51.199 We want to have conversations just like this one so 121 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:54.680 that more people are because most people are good people. 122 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:57.759 They don't hate Jewish, but they they don't hate anybody. 123 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:01.800 But to make the conversation happened, and that's what most 124 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:03.360 billboards do well. 125 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:05.639 First of all, my dad was in World War Two, 126 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:08.959 and as a kid growing up and I'm a baby boomer, 127 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.079 we were taught at the kitchen table about the lessons 128 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:16.920 of World War Two and that's why it is you know, 129 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:23.079 deeply ingrained in me. At the same time, growing up 130 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:27.800 I watched anti virulent anti semitism, which for the most 131 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:32.199 part existed on the far right in this country in 132 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:36.399 Rockwell and those nut jobs, the people who watched in Skokie, 133 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:39.680 Illinois and all of that. But in recent years, what 134 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.839 is really frightening is I've watched anti semitism, and I've 135 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:46.560 talked with friends of mine who are Jewish and who 136 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.160 are not Jewish but are on the left. Politically, it 137 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:53.680 is fantastasized to the American left, and that, to me 138 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:56.000 is a frightening development. 139 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:00.959 I totally agree. In fact, sometimes people asked me I 140 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.360 speak about this subject. They're like, well, what's more frightening? 141 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:07.560 And you know, honestly, in a in a crazy way, 142 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:10.720 the anti Semitism on the left is more frightening. And 143 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:15.319 my reason for that is because it's usually hidden. Like 144 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:17.319 when people say, listen, I hate you. I was like, okay, 145 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:20.040 you know you hate me, Like that's clear, and it's 146 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.800 it's horrible, but at least it's clear. What happens on 147 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.079 the more and more on the left is people like, well, 148 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:29.199 I don't really hate Jews, I just hate Israel. I'm like, yeah, 149 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:31.600 but you know, yeah, you scratch just a little below 150 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:33.080 the surface. They don't need it. 151 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:35.200 They hate Jews so well. 152 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:35.720 They were. 153 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:37.840 There was that, there was the There was that professor 154 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:42.039 from Cornell who in the wake of October seventh said 155 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:43.639 that he was exhilarated. 156 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:48.919 Yep, he was exhilarated after the October seventh, after the killing. 157 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:53.039 Yeah, it was like and that's someone who's teaching at Cornell. 158 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:57.960 That's that's That's not some guy living in his basement 159 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:00.080 and running out in the middle of the night and 160 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:07.480 writing spray painting swatstick is on the street. Uh. Anyway, 161 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.080 how can folks get more information because we can't even 162 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:14.200 begin to cover what I want to cover with you, 163 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:17.480 what what is the best way that people who are 164 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:19.919 Jewish or not Jewish or whatever and who would like 165 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:24.000 to get more information, particularly after seeing the billboards here 166 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:25.039 the greater Boston area. 167 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:26.240 What what's the website? 168 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:31.240 Okay, the website is ju belong j E W B 169 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.759 E l O n G dot org. 170 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:35.159 So jubelong dot org. 171 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:38.279 They can go on there, they can reach there's an 172 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:40.759 email on there and just you know, one of the 173 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:44.120 messages to suppress send us a message. We also are 174 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:49.639 on Facebook and we are on Instagram and we're we're 175 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:52.960 a small unit. We're only about eight team members at Jubilong. 176 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:57.159 We're small but mighty, and we love to have conversations. 177 00:09:57.559 --> 00:09:59.720 We're a nonprofit and that's how you know. It's funny 178 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:02.919 in your backyard at Harvard. You were talking about Cornell. 179 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:05.720 There's also been some very very challenging. 180 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:10.960 We have covered that story here on Nightside many hours 181 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:12.399 over the last year and a half. 182 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:15.200 Trust me, trust me on that. 183 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:20.360 Yeah, it's every everywhere you turn. But thank you so 184 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:22.799 much for covering it because it's so important. But anyway 185 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:27.759 I was, people can reach out and and sometimes people say, 186 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:31.360 in fact, with those billboards now, sometimes people say I 187 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:34.080 want a billboard in a specific place, or I want 188 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.840 to have a campaign I'm really interested in in in 189 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.960 this area. And those are some of the reasons that 190 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:42.600 we go to certain that we put billboards up because uh, 191 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:45.720 you know, that's where people people want them, whether it's 192 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:49.440 because of anti Semitism or just they want to raise awareness. 193 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:52.679 Archie, thank you so much for your time and we'll 194 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:56.360 talk again, and please have a have a lovely weekend. 195 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:58.600 And thank you very much. You always welcome here on Nightside. 196 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:02.000 Damn, thank you so very very much. Keep up the 197 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:02.600 great work. 198 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:06.159 You're welcome you as well. Will we get back. We're 199 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:09.039 going to talk about a let's controversial topic, going to 200 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.799 talk about the Sleeping on an Idea work. We're going 201 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:15.000 to talk with Adam Horowitz. He's a former post doctoral 202 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:19.679 associate at the MIT sleep the MIT Media Lab, and 203 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:21.919 he's a sleep expert. We'll be back on night Side 204 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:23.600 after this very quick break. 205 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:27.399 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 206 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:30.679 Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio. 207 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:34.799 So here's the question, this sleeping the sleeping on an 208 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:36.759 Idea work. You know you hear people say I'm going 209 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:39.200 to go sleep on it with us. Is Adam Horowitz. 210 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:42.039 He's a former post doctoral associate at MIT, is a 211 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:47.360 sleep expert. He also has a connection, maybe still has 212 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:50.200 a connection with the MIT Media Lab. Adam Horowitz. Welcome 213 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:51.240 to Nightside. How are you, sir. 214 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.440 I'm doing really well. I'm glad to chat with you. 215 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:58.320 Yeah. So I read this piece out of the Washington 216 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:03.120 Post that talked about when people like Einstein did how 217 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:05.879 that they would nap and they thought they thought some 218 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:09.039 of their best ideas came when they when they napped. 219 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:15.080 And Einstein and I guess held some heavy items in 220 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:18.080 his hands, so when he would sort of doze off, 221 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:21.440 he'd be kind of in that netherland. They had hit 222 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:24.720 the floor, that'd wake them up. What do you think, 223 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:27.279 I mean, do you think that our mind is working 224 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:30.279 when we're sleep? Is it working in a good direction 225 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:31.720 or a crazy direction? 226 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:33.360 Yeah? 227 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:36.600 I mean, I think it's a really good question. And 228 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:39.759 the important thing is that it's working in a different direction. 229 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:44.320 The brain when you're sleeping and when you're dreaming is 230 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:46.919 doing something different than when you're awake, and that means 231 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:50.000 that it's useful for different kinds of thinking. And so 232 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:54.360 you know, across history there's many folks. There's Einstein thinking 233 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:58.519 about special relativity. There's Thomas Edison, dollad or Dalli or 234 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:00.879 Sylvia Plath. All these people say they get their best 235 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.000 ideas at the lip of sleep, just when you've entered it. 236 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:09.399 And the idea is it's pretty crazy thinking, but sometimes 237 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:11.440 you need to think pretty crazy, and this is the 238 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:12.080 way to do it. 239 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:14.720 Yeah, it's happened to me a couple of times. Nothing 240 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:17.840 on the level of Einstein or Edison or anything like that, 241 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:20.080 but a couple of things. You will you wake up 242 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:20.879 it was funny. 243 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:22.879 Last night. I in one of my. 244 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:26.159 Dreams, and sometimes I remember them, sometimes I don't. I'm 245 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:27.879 going to play a trick of my wife. I had 246 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:29.639 a dream I was trying to call her at work, 247 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:33.399 but I couldn't get through her the operator at her company. 248 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:36.440 So over the weekend, I'm going to say to her, 249 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:40.080 look you better, you know, get get talked to that operator, 250 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:42.840 because you know, I was, I had a dream last 251 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:44.399 night and I was having a tough. 252 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:44.840 Time get. 253 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:47.639 I mean, it's she. 254 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:50.000 Will pick on that up very quickly, but she will 255 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:55.080 give me that you are a total idiot. But it's 256 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:59.360 a great opportunity to self deprecation. Is is something that 257 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:01.639 I think is really important because it's humorous and i'mself 258 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:04.240 deprecating myself. But yeah, but that's that's the sort of 259 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:07.279 dream I had last night. And I know sometimes people 260 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:10.399 have dreams and they think it is a precursor of 261 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:12.600 something that's really going to happen. Do you buy into 262 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:13.200 that as well? 263 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:16.200 Yeah, I mean I think that's a really good questions. 264 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:22.679 There's what people call precognitive dreams and prodromal dreams are 265 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.799 the two kind of big categories. So precognitive being oh, 266 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.840 I can predict the future in my dreams and prodromal being. 267 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:32.120 I can predict future illness in my dreams. And it 268 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:35.360 turns out there's a few studies on this. It turns out, 269 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:38.720 for instance, people are really good at predicting the sex 270 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:42.600 of their baby pregnant mothers based on their dreams. They're 271 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:45.480 really accurate. There's a Johns Hopkins study about that. And 272 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:48.960 it's pretty true that, for instance, if you have a 273 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.320 bunch of teeth falling out dreams, it's very likely you'll 274 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:54.519 be visiting the dentist in the next six months. There's 275 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:57.879 a way in which you have these subtle physical signals 276 00:14:57.879 --> 00:14:59.919 that your brain's aware of, and even if you don't know, 277 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.679 notice in the day because you're really distracted. Sometimes that 278 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:05.600 little bit of toothpain can make a whole dream. So 279 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.919 you realize this subtle thing your body is feeling that's interesting. 280 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:13.200 So so your body is sending is in that case, 281 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.360 is actually sending you a message that's right. 282 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.679 And in the same way that your body, maybe your 283 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:21.399 body understands the kind of hormones that are happening during 284 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:24.240 the pregnancy, even if you don't understand it consciously. So 285 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:26.279 maybe that's why dreams are such a good predictor. 286 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:28.440 So what do you say, So you're saying that women 287 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:30.679 can predict the gender of your child? 288 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:31.919 Not correct? 289 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:34.679 I mean, dads are just like they're guessing, I mean 290 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:38.320 totally yeah, and maybe they're hoping for a shortstop, but 291 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:44.200 you know it's nothing that's you know, or in this 292 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:47.480 day and age, you know a number one female tennis player, 293 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:49.240 which is even better than a shortstop. 294 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:50.799 That's right, That's right. 295 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:53.480 Yeah, this is great. How long you've been doing this? 296 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:55.919 Is this? Is this your career work? I see that 297 00:15:55.960 --> 00:16:00.440 you're with the MIT Media Lab and associated this. 298 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.600 I was a Massachusetts local for quite a long time 299 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:06.720 and this has been my work for years now. So 300 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:10.559 I got my my PhD and my post doc both 301 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:14.000 doing work on sleeping dreams between MIT and Harvard, and 302 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:16.480 there's just just done. 303 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:19.480 You couldn't get into any of the really good colleges, 304 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:21.279 but you still went to college. 305 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.799 Yeah, you know, I on it. Yeah, yeah, I came. 306 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:25.600 I came through the weather. I said, I'll do it 307 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:30.279 all right. Yeah, And I'll tell you it's an endless 308 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:33.720 topic because we know so little about dreams and they 309 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:35.879 are as strange as it gets if you want to 310 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:40.759 study neuroscience. When you're dreaming, you're amnesic, you're psychotic, you're delusional, 311 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:44.559 you're inventive, you're irrational, and we don't know what is 312 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:47.200 going on. And so my work was really to say, 313 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:50.120 how can we harness this state and in fact boost 314 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:52.720 people's creativity by saying, what if you didn't dream about 315 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:56.080 something random, We chose what you dreamt about, and you 316 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:59.120 got to dream about a particular creative problem, and then 317 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:00.840 you did better on it when you wake up. That 318 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:01.720 was the big idea. 319 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:04.079 You know, I just got to say this and take 320 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:07.319 this as a huge compliment. I love the passion you 321 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.319 have for your work. My son in law, my son 322 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:14.839 in law teachers at MIT in the Sloan School Cool 323 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:17.079 Cool graduated where. 324 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:18.920 He graduated as an undergraduate. 325 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:20.359 I have a buddy of mine who I went to 326 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:22.839 high school with, who I have no idea what he 327 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.839 did for a living, because I kind of lost contact 328 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:27.960 with him, but I know he had to have been 329 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:32.680 working for like the CIA or something. Four degree undergraduate, 330 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:36.200 you know, a degree, a bachelor's degree to masters and 331 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:40.200 a doctoral The smartest smartest people I know and so 332 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:43.480 uh and by the way, I will say this, and 333 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:44.039 I think. 334 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:45.119 You'll understand what I'm saying. 335 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:47.279 You really have to be smart to go to MI 336 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:50.519 T because anyone who can figure out the numbering system 337 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:51.680 of the rooms at m I T. 338 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.440 Else you're gonna get lost in those tunnels. 339 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:00.759 Well, yeah, I'll get I used to get lost, you 340 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.759 know when I was over there was I'll get corridors, 341 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.559 you know two nine and the next one is you know, 342 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:08.720 X four twenty. 343 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:11.440 Well, because they'll ask you, hey, what are you studying, 344 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:13.200 and you'll say I have six'. Nine then you have 345 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:14.440 what they. Mean all. 346 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:18.720 Right oh, yeah really. Smart, HEY i really like this, Interview. 347 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.640 Adam we'll get you. BACK i GOTTA i gotta give 348 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:25.440 you more time because we maybe we'll do an hour 349 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:27.079 and uh ask. 350 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:30.960 People to call. In these are short interviews during let's. 351 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:31.599 Talk about their. 352 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:33.039 Dreams that would be really. 353 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:34.400 Fun absolutely. 354 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:37.640 Totally, well, yeah you give me call any. Time thanks for, Chatting. 355 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:41.640 ADAM i absolutely. WILL i have so enjoyed the. Conversation 356 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:44.160 and guess, what not only are you, smart but you 357 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:46.119 have a really good sense of. Humor there's a lot 358 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:48.119 of smart people who don't have much of a sense of. 359 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:51.960 Heart you got Both Thanks, ADAM i appreciate. 360 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:53.759 It be well you, too you. 361 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:56.480 Too when we get, back we're going to talk With Bob, 362 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:01.319 ryan the Great Boston globe sports, writer well a, Columnist 363 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:04.359 he's done it. All nobody knows basketball and the history 364 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:06.799 of The celtics in this. Town and of course yesterday 365 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.759 they sold for either depending upon what what what paper you, 366 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:14.680 read either six point three or seven point one billion. 367 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:17.480 Dollars not, bad not. Bad Bob ryan coming up on 368 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:18.799 the other, Side. 369 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:23.079 It's Night side With Dan ray On boston's News. 370 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:28.200 Radio big sports story this, week the sale of The Boston. 371 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:33.079 Celtics and nobody know who's the history of The celtics 372 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:34.799 better than my Guest Bob. 373 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:37.319 Ryan, bob how? 374 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:40.559 Long how many years have you been following The. Celtics 375 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:41.960 it's got to be fifty at. 376 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:45.079 Least, right, fifty maybe. 377 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:49.319 More, yeah my first year as the Beat man was 378 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:53.720 nineteen sixty, nine seventy and, so And i've been, YEAH 379 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:59.039 i came right. There, yeah so FIFTY i. WAS i 380 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:02.079 was well all my way at the fifty year. Mark but, 381 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:06.920 yeah this is a very intriguing. Story well it, is and. 382 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:08.000 Let's talk about, it you, know more about. It SO 383 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:10.160 i just asked a couple of. Questions that, is how 384 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:13.559 the heck does a team go from the sale of 385 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:19.960 three hundred million dollars in the nineteen nineties to whatever. 386 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:22.359 Is it six six point one billion. 387 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:24.799 Or seven point One i'm hearing two. 388 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:31.480 Numbers, well whatever it, is it's it's it's. Enormous, uh 389 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:33.039 it's the. World it's the way it. IS i, mean 390 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:36.519 a breakery. Record the thing has been escalating. That that's 391 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:40.920 what sports. Franchises it's the going. Rate and they set 392 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:43.680 a new record which will be eclipsed by somebody sooner or. 393 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:46.920 Later it is rather, intriguing, though that it is in 394 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:50.119 basketball rather than, football because football equilarly is the number, 395 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:54.000 one you know sport In america by public. Taste but, 396 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:59.079 this this is a rather record breaking and and but 397 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:02.799 that's where we. Are and you, know The grosspecs made 398 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:06.079 a very nice investment twenty years, ago and then now 399 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:08.960 they're they're pride in the year set for the next several. Centuries, 400 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:11.160 yeah talk about return on. 401 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:13.759