Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property. And for this week of October
Speaker 1: twenty first, we are continuing with Lost, Season one, episode
Speaker 1: sixteen Outlaws could be a bad cake. But no, no,
Speaker 1: it's about Sawyer. Oh my goodness, is this a sad episode?
Speaker 2: It really is?
Speaker 1: It really is. I mean, we've been encouraged to see
Speaker 1: Sawyer is somewhat of a figure of fun except for
Speaker 1: the last flashback episode he was in. But man, yeah,
Speaker 1: bummer of a backstory, although it does bring up some
Speaker 1: interesting things, does it not so well? First, in the
Speaker 1: first flashback, we actually see the thing we had previously
Speaker 1: heard about of his father killing his mother and then himself,
Speaker 1: and we find that little Sawyer was under the bed
Speaker 1: watching it all yikes. And then we see him again
Speaker 1: in the flashbacks in Australia at a bar. Who should
Speaker 1: happen to be at that bar? Yes, he said, fella,
Speaker 1: it's Christian Shepherd, father of Jack, father of Jack talking
Speaker 1: about his son and what a great guy his son is,
Speaker 1: and how much he admires his son, and how he
Speaker 1: could just get up right now and go call his
Speaker 1: son and tell him that. But he's not gonna bum
Speaker 1: right to the end is question show. But he gives he,
Speaker 1: you know, very nicely, gives Sawyer the advice that he
Speaker 1: should go do that thing that he's reluctant to do,
Speaker 1: which in this case is killing kill Perry.
Speaker 2: Kill a guy because he thinks it's the bad Sawyer.
Speaker 1: But do you not at least ask questions first? Do
Speaker 1: you not at least say the say the name before
Speaker 1: you shoot him? Yeah?
Speaker 2: He really he really got scammed by this guy who he.
Speaker 1: Did not trust at all, so Robert Patrick there for
Speaker 1: a brief appearance as a villain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, he knew he couldn't stand that
Speaker 2: guy as soon as he walked in, as soon as
Speaker 2: he saw him. So but why he immediately took his
Speaker 2: word for it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Jack's dad talked him into it.
Speaker 2: But before that he believed the other guy enough to
Speaker 2: get off to us Australia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, that's true. Oh man, yes, stupid, Yeah
Speaker 1: that was you know, things just get worse and worse
Speaker 1: for Sawyer. And then after that he crashed on an island,
Speaker 1: which actually he's probably probably that's one of the best
Speaker 1: periods of his life has been just sitting under a tarp.
Speaker 1: I know, he's and boarding things and making you know,
Speaker 1: people hate him. But he can't even have that now
Speaker 1: because a bore that is maybe symbolic of something is
Speaker 1: harassing him, taking his tart, messing up his stuff, knocking
Speaker 1: him into the mud.
Speaker 3: Yes, and just out of spite.
Speaker 1: Life is a bore, is Sawyer's experience. But he's even
Speaker 1: in his dreams, poor Sawyer. And Kate is going to
Speaker 1: help him catch this boar and get justice. But they
Speaker 1: pause for a while to play the cheapest bit of
Speaker 1: plot development possible. We want to get to these people's
Speaker 1: backstories a little faster than we have. I know, they
Speaker 1: could sit around and play I never seriously, Now, we
Speaker 1: know that Kate and Sawyer both killed a man.
Speaker 3: But we already basically knew.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we didn't know Sawyers, but we were
Speaker 2: seeing that in the flashback anyway. Yeah, and we knew
Speaker 2: Kate did, right, She's already admitted to that, So yeah,
Speaker 2: there was no need. But I guess now they each know.
Speaker 1: Do they We really think they would sit around doing
Speaker 1: never mind? Yeah, it's Mystery Island. Anything can happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But you know, in terms of parenting lessons, there's a
Speaker 1: very good parenting lesson in this, which is to tell
Speaker 1: your kids you love them. You know, at least Sawyer
Speaker 1: got that from his mom before she was shot, But
Speaker 1: I don't think Jack ever got that from either parent.
Speaker 1: If Christian had picked up that phone and said what
Speaker 1: he was going to say, Jack probably wouldn't be lost
Speaker 1: on Mystery Island.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it makes a big difference. The actions
Speaker 1: that you take can put your children on bad paths. Yes,
Speaker 1: shooting your family and not telling your kid, Hey, you're
Speaker 1: a good man. I respect that. Even though you know,
Speaker 1: stuck a knife in my back. I still I respect
Speaker 1: that I deserve that knife.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did, he did.
Speaker 1: He absolutely did so. And the fact that he at least,
Speaker 1: when talking to a stranger in a bar, can say
Speaker 1: that he thinks that Jack did the right thing. But
Speaker 1: walk over to the phone man, go god.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know. Otherwise you end up in a coffin on
Speaker 1: an island and your son is who knows what the going.
Speaker 2: On, right, your son is forced to be the island
Speaker 2: papa to this group weirdos in this.
Speaker 1: Very would have been so much easier. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the timeline is. If Jack was in US.
Speaker 1: Was Jack going to Australia to get his dead dad
Speaker 1: or was he going to get his dad who was
Speaker 1: drunk and having problems. I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I think it was that he was going to get
Speaker 2: him and before he arrived the dad died, right, yes,
Speaker 2: because the mom was like, you have to go there
Speaker 2: and get him. Yeah, And then by the time he
Speaker 2: got there, he kind of missed missed his chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's just the road not taken
Speaker 1: so much better. You would probably still be alive. Jack
Speaker 1: would not be on an island. At the very least,
Speaker 1: you would have gotten a nice burial and you know,
Speaker 1: a modest service I'm sure which all the nurses came
Speaker 1: in went yes, in the ground anyway, So this was
Speaker 1: this was fraught. Yeah, managed to make us feel sorry
Speaker 1: for Sawyer. Yes, no small deed, right. And the whispering
Speaker 1: in the uh Sawyer has now heard. The whispering in
Speaker 1: the jungle that Saya had pretty much convinced himself was
Speaker 1: just in his head, right, So now he's like a
Speaker 1: corn right, I wanted to be crazy. Now it's real.
Speaker 1: It was whispering to him the same thing that uh,
Speaker 1: the guy said when he was dying. It'll come back around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is pretty pretty ominous.
Speaker 1: It's pretty it's pretty around now. I mean yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's come around already. I don't think he even
Speaker 1: needed the bore. I think he pretty she was suffering. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh well.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that was very like you know, he
Speaker 2: read the script before he got shot to have that
Speaker 2: line at the ready.
Speaker 1: You know, lost Apedia says that he also says, you're
Speaker 1: going to pay. I think I was going to pay
Speaker 1: something about paying, and that was going to be the
Speaker 1: whispered line, but they changed it. So maybe they went
Speaker 1: back in in post and had him say that, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's dying. You could just put a few phrases in.
Speaker 1: It's not like his lips are going to be moving around, right, And.
Speaker 2: Let's also make sure it's pouring buckets of rain at
Speaker 2: the same time, so that we can draw some parallels
Speaker 2: between Australia and the mystery island.
Speaker 1: Absolutely it could. It could be the shrimp stand on
Speaker 1: the island for a Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we also got to meet a little baby pig,
Speaker 2: a baby boar.
Speaker 1: Yes, a baby boar, and Sawyer in the and kills
Speaker 1: zero bores. That's right, you can't do it this time.
Speaker 1: He's come on, Ay, he's not sure it's the right boar.
Speaker 1: What if he kills the wrong boar?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Is your name?
Speaker 4: Sawyer?
Speaker 2: I mean, no one felt any compunction about eating any
Speaker 2: of the previous boars. But this one, why this one
Speaker 2: gets a special pass? I do not know.
Speaker 1: Well, you know he's got issues, possibly the bar as well,
Speaker 1: but definitely Sawyer. Sure boris like there's a guy chasing
Speaker 1: me through a jungle trying to kill me and everybody else.
Speaker 1: All my relatives are gone, the babies.
Speaker 3: It's just this baby. Don't hurt my baby. He didn't
Speaker 3: do anything wrong.
Speaker 1: He was in a box on that plane being shipped
Speaker 1: back to us, to the US, to a boor collector,
Speaker 1: and I want him on this island. People are hunting me.
Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah.
Speaker 4: My goodness.
Speaker 2: Did get a glimpse of Walt playing with playing with Vincent.
Speaker 1: Yes, playing with Brian's dog.
Speaker 2: Yes, Michael working on a raft apparently, And the Seeds have.
Speaker 3: Recruited at least one other person.
Speaker 2: That was Scott slash Steve Steve slash Scott whichever one you.
Speaker 1: Yep. I did find those guys in IMDb, but they
Speaker 1: were uncredited. So but actually it is on some somebody's
Speaker 1: IMDb okay, and also appropos to our discussion of only
Speaker 1: murders in the building. Griffin Dunn is now appropriately credited.
Speaker 1: He's no longer the nameless mystery person even on that episode.
Speaker 2: Ah, so they just waited until.
Speaker 1: The fix was in to not put it in early.
Speaker 1: I don't know about.
Speaker 2: This, do we know?
Speaker 1: Do we know that IMDb gets paid off by producers
Speaker 1: to wait?
Speaker 4: I guess not.
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't get the info.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just wink wink.
Speaker 1: Anyway. So there's a lot of people wandering around in
Speaker 1: the jungle, yeah this episode, which seems like a bad idea.
Speaker 1: They need to have like trackers or something. Well, there's
Speaker 1: some way to identify themselves as friendlies before they come
Speaker 1: upon one another. Now that there are guns, well, Jack
Speaker 1: has all the guns again theoretically, but does he though, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know who knows who else may have done when yes,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't not.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't feel too confident about that. So Charlie buried Ethan,
Speaker 2: and they did really focus on his dead hand, Yes
Speaker 2: they did.
Speaker 1: What was that.
Speaker 2: I mean, was that just supposed to be like, yes,
Speaker 2: he's really dead, or like I was waiting for that
Speaker 2: hand to move. I was definitely thinking it was going
Speaker 2: to be grabbing Charlie by the neck at any moment,
Speaker 2: but apparently No.
Speaker 1: It was weird because I couldn't remember who it was
Speaker 1: they were burying, because they buried the other guys and
Speaker 1: it's who else died I couldn't remember. And then he
Speaker 1: starts talking to somebody else about it, so or somebody Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: he mentions it right, I felt like he had to
Speaker 1: bury him because he killed him. Nobody else feels like
Speaker 1: they have to bury him. When are they just going
Speaker 1: to leave the rotten corpse sitting yeah, out in the
Speaker 1: open for the animals to eat. What was the plan here?
Speaker 1: Why is Charlie the only one who thinks, oh, put
Speaker 1: this guy in some dirt? Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have thought they all would have been
Speaker 2: real happy to not have to look at that guy,
Speaker 2: you know, just to feel like he's six feet under
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Definitely, But maybe this has to happen because he's going
Speaker 1: to come back or something like that. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is a spoiler. I honestly can't remember. Okay,
Speaker 1: but anything seems possible. So, you know, he buries the
Speaker 1: guy and then he goes and takes a walk with
Speaker 1: the girl.
Speaker 2: He does have a brief detour to get some therapy
Speaker 2: from said.
Speaker 1: That's right, Hey, you know, killing somebody can kind of
Speaker 1: mess you up. Were you aware?
Speaker 3: Just you're not alone? He really isn't.
Speaker 2: I mean by these what sixteen episodes in and a
Speaker 2: lot of people have killed a lot of other people.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think they have a support group, you know,
Speaker 1: sit around the fire and talk about there are various murders,
Speaker 1: like only murderers on the island. Yeah, oh man, this
Speaker 1: is true. If you were just just like a regular
Speaker 1: civilian who had never done anything interesting in your life,
Speaker 1: you might be saying, maybe we could find another camp.
Speaker 1: Although you know, I think you do probably want to
Speaker 1: stay by the murderers and on their good side.
Speaker 4: Should somebody, yes, definitely figure out who they are and.
Speaker 1: Of all the murderers, which ones do I want to
Speaker 1: align myself with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, as they say, keep your friends close and
Speaker 2: your enemies closer.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep, yep. No Boon in this episode, but
Speaker 1: only his footsteps, because I think Case said that Swayer
Speaker 1: was following Boone for a while, and Lock also not
Speaker 1: a good day for him.
Speaker 2: Locke wanders in at a tell a parable at an
Speaker 2: opportune time and serve up some coffee.
Speaker 3: That he found.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. That's you know, I guess, biggers,
Speaker 1: campy choosers. You take whatever's been dropped out of an
Speaker 1: airplane and then has been sitting there for who knows
Speaker 1: how heat on by how many animals.
Speaker 3: A month I believe is how long.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how you you know, it's it's still good.
Speaker 3: That's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're gonna put it in some boiling hot water,
Speaker 2: so that's right.
Speaker 3: It'll yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: People watching this who are super super specific about their
Speaker 1: coffee or just reeling. Yeah, you must start it in
Speaker 1: an airtised container in a climate controlled area. Shouldn't be
Speaker 1: in the sun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna be awful.
Speaker 1: You know, there's not a Starbucks on the island, so
Speaker 1: they gotta do what they gotta do.
Speaker 2: No, just just the hair salon and.
Speaker 1: The dog rumor, you know, the day spot might have
Speaker 1: a coffee bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll probably get yourself a lot there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Claire's been going there too. There's her hair is
Speaker 2: looking yes, looking good. Yes, that's not that's not island care.
Speaker 2: That's not a beach com that's that's uh.
Speaker 3: That's not sleeping in a cave hair.
Speaker 1: No, it's not. Oh well, you know what, we don't
Speaker 1: really want to see them as scraggly as they would be.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, they would be disgusting.
Speaker 1: It really would. We will, we will take our little
Speaker 1: allowances for you know, entertaining TV shows. We don't want
Speaker 1: to be We don't want to be worried about them.
Speaker 1: For those things. We want to be worried about them,
Speaker 1: for the many, many ways they've screwed up their lives
Speaker 1: leading to this point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that has brought them to this to this point,
Speaker 4: Oh dear. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh there's that moment at the end where Sawyer has
Speaker 1: an opportunity to say, hey, I met your dad in
Speaker 1: a bar. Oh yes, and he doesn't, although would Jack
Speaker 1: believe him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna file that away for another.
Speaker 1: I recognized by that little catchphrase you used that the
Speaker 1: man I met in the bar was your father and
Speaker 1: he said what a good guy he thought you were.
Speaker 2: And he was Yeah, there's no way Sawyer's given that
Speaker 2: to Jack.
Speaker 1: And also even if you had, Jack would have said, yeah,
Speaker 1: right right, sure you did, Bunny, What are you trying
Speaker 1: to get over on me now?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: So it wouldn't have worked, but just for a second,
Speaker 1: looks like you thought about it. And my husband had
Speaker 1: pointed out that the year that this show was on
Speaker 1: is the year that the Red Sox did in fact
Speaker 1: go to the World Series, so kind of messed up
Speaker 1: their catchphrase. But yeah, I think they write in something
Speaker 1: about it later on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, love that they were already we don't know what
Speaker 2: time of year.
Speaker 1: This was like, it's like a good place with the
Speaker 1: Jaguars being the running joke, and then oh yeah he did.
Speaker 1: They did go to the super Bowl, So you gotta
Speaker 1: watch it sports, use the sports and al than Jez,
Speaker 1: you'll never know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we'll get you.
Speaker 1: So next Tuesday we will continue on with season one,
Speaker 1: episode seventeen of Lost dot dot dot in Translation. So
Speaker 1: who do you guess are gonna have the flashback system?
Speaker 2: Could it be Sun or Gin? Yes?
Speaker 1: I believe it is a Gin flashback episode. All right,
Speaker 1: and uh an allusion to one of my favorite movies,
Speaker 1: Lost in Translation.
Speaker 3: It is a good one.
Speaker 1: Yes, we will see you back here tomorrow to discuss
Speaker 1: only murders in the building. Thank you for listening. You
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