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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property. And for this week of October

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<v Speaker 1>twenty first, we are continuing with Lost, Season one, episode

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen Outlaws could be a bad cake. But no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about Sawyer. Oh my goodness, is this a sad episode?

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<v Speaker 2>It really is?

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. I mean, we've been encouraged to see

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<v Speaker 1>Sawyer is somewhat of a figure of fun except for

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<v Speaker 1>the last flashback episode he was in. But man, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>bummer of a backstory, although it does bring up some

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<v Speaker 1>interesting things, does it not so well? First, in the

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<v Speaker 1>first flashback, we actually see the thing we had previously

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<v Speaker 1>heard about of his father killing his mother and then himself,

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<v Speaker 1>and we find that little Sawyer was under the bed

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<v Speaker 1>watching it all yikes. And then we see him again

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<v Speaker 1>in the flashbacks in Australia at a bar. Who should

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<v Speaker 1>happen to be at that bar? Yes, he said, fella,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Christian Shepherd, father of Jack, father of Jack talking

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<v Speaker 1>about his son and what a great guy his son is,

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<v Speaker 1>and how much he admires his son, and how he

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<v Speaker 1>could just get up right now and go call his

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<v Speaker 1>son and tell him that. But he's not gonna bum

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<v Speaker 1>right to the end is question show. But he gives he,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, very nicely, gives Sawyer the advice that he

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<v Speaker 1>should go do that thing that he's reluctant to do,

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<v Speaker 1>which in this case is killing kill Perry.

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<v Speaker 2>Kill a guy because he thinks it's the bad Sawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you not at least ask questions first? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you not at least say the say the name before

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<v Speaker 1>you shoot him? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>He really he really got scammed by this guy who he.

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<v Speaker 1>Did not trust at all, so Robert Patrick there for

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<v Speaker 1>a brief appearance as a villain.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, he knew he couldn't stand that

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<v Speaker 2>guy as soon as he walked in, as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>he saw him. So but why he immediately took his

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<v Speaker 2>word for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, Jack's dad talked him into it.

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<v Speaker 2>But before that he believed the other guy enough to

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<v Speaker 2>get off to us Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true, that's true. Oh man, yes, stupid, Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>that was you know, things just get worse and worse

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<v Speaker 1>for Sawyer. And then after that he crashed on an island,

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<v Speaker 1>which actually he's probably probably that's one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>periods of his life has been just sitting under a tarp.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, he's and boarding things and making you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people hate him. But he can't even have that now

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<v Speaker 1>because a bore that is maybe symbolic of something is

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<v Speaker 1>harassing him, taking his tart, messing up his stuff, knocking

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<v Speaker 1>him into the mud.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and just out of spite.

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<v Speaker 1>Life is a bore, is Sawyer's experience. But he's even

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<v Speaker 1>in his dreams, poor Sawyer. And Kate is going to

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<v Speaker 1>help him catch this boar and get justice. But they

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<v Speaker 1>pause for a while to play the cheapest bit of

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<v Speaker 1>plot development possible. We want to get to these people's

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<v Speaker 1>backstories a little faster than we have. I know, they

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<v Speaker 1>could sit around and play I never seriously, Now, we

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<v Speaker 1>know that Kate and Sawyer both killed a man.

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<v Speaker 3>But we already basically knew.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean we didn't know Sawyers, but we were

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<v Speaker 2>seeing that in the flashback anyway. Yeah, and we knew

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<v Speaker 2>Kate did, right, She's already admitted to that, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there was no need. But I guess now they each know.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they We really think they would sit around doing

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<v Speaker 1>never mind? Yeah, it's Mystery Island. Anything can happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, in terms of parenting lessons, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>very good parenting lesson in this, which is to tell

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<v Speaker 1>your kids you love them. You know, at least Sawyer

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<v Speaker 1>got that from his mom before she was shot, But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Jack ever got that from either parent.

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<v Speaker 1>If Christian had picked up that phone and said what

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to say, Jack probably wouldn't be lost

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<v Speaker 1>on Mystery Island.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying it makes a big difference. The actions

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<v Speaker 1>that you take can put your children on bad paths. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>shooting your family and not telling your kid, Hey, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a good man. I respect that. Even though you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stuck a knife in my back. I still I respect

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<v Speaker 1>that I deserve that knife.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he did, he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He absolutely did so. And the fact that he at least,

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<v Speaker 1>when talking to a stranger in a bar, can say

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<v Speaker 1>that he thinks that Jack did the right thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>walk over to the phone man, go god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Otherwise you end up in a coffin on

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<v Speaker 1>an island and your son is who knows what the going.

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<v Speaker 2>On, right, your son is forced to be the island

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<v Speaker 2>papa to this group weirdos in this.

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<v Speaker 1>Very would have been so much easier. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what the timeline is. If Jack was in US.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Jack going to Australia to get his dead dad

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<v Speaker 1>or was he going to get his dad who was

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<v Speaker 1>drunk and having problems. I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was that he was going to get

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<v Speaker 2>him and before he arrived the dad died, right, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>because the mom was like, you have to go there

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<v Speaker 2>and get him. Yeah, And then by the time he

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<v Speaker 2>got there, he kind of missed missed his chance.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you know, it's just the road not taken

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<v Speaker 1>so much better. You would probably still be alive. Jack

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<v Speaker 1>would not be on an island. At the very least,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have gotten a nice burial and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a modest service I'm sure which all the nurses came

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<v Speaker 1>in went yes, in the ground anyway, So this was

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<v Speaker 1>this was fraught. Yeah, managed to make us feel sorry

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<v Speaker 1>for Sawyer. Yes, no small deed, right. And the whispering

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<v Speaker 1>in the uh Sawyer has now heard. The whispering in

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle that Saya had pretty much convinced himself was

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<v Speaker 1>just in his head, right, So now he's like a

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<v Speaker 1>corn right, I wanted to be crazy. Now it's real.

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<v Speaker 1>It was whispering to him the same thing that uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy said when he was dying. It'll come back around.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is pretty pretty ominous.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty it's pretty around now. I mean yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's come around already. I don't think he even

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<v Speaker 1>needed the bore. I think he pretty she was suffering. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean that was very like you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>read the script before he got shot to have that

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<v Speaker 2>line at the ready.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, lost Apedia says that he also says, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to pay. I think I was going to pay

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<v Speaker 1>something about paying, and that was going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>whispered line, but they changed it. So maybe they went

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<v Speaker 1>back in in post and had him say that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>he's dying. You could just put a few phrases in.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like his lips are going to be moving around, right, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's also make sure it's pouring buckets of rain at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, so that we can draw some parallels

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<v Speaker 2>between Australia and the mystery island.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely it could. It could be the shrimp stand on

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<v Speaker 1>the island for a Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, we also got to meet a little baby pig,

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<v Speaker 2>a baby boar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, a baby boar, and Sawyer in the and kills

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<v Speaker 1>zero bores. That's right, you can't do it this time.

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<v Speaker 1>He's come on, Ay, he's not sure it's the right boar.

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<v Speaker 1>What if he kills the wrong boar?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Is your name?

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<v Speaker 4>Sawyer?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, no one felt any compunction about eating any

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<v Speaker 2>of the previous boars. But this one, why this one

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<v Speaker 2>gets a special pass? I do not know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know he's got issues, possibly the bar as well,

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<v Speaker 1>but definitely Sawyer. Sure boris like there's a guy chasing

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<v Speaker 1>me through a jungle trying to kill me and everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>All my relatives are gone, the babies.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just this baby. Don't hurt my baby. He didn't

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<v Speaker 3>do anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>He was in a box on that plane being shipped

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<v Speaker 1>back to us, to the US, to a boor collector,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want him on this island. People are hunting me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>My goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>Did get a glimpse of Walt playing with playing with Vincent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, playing with Brian's dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Michael working on a raft apparently, And the Seeds have.

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<v Speaker 3>Recruited at least one other person.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Scott slash Steve Steve slash Scott whichever one you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. I did find those guys in IMDb, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were uncredited. So but actually it is on some somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>IMDb okay, and also appropos to our discussion of only

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<v Speaker 1>murders in the building. Griffin Dunn is now appropriately credited.

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<v Speaker 1>He's no longer the nameless mystery person even on that episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, so they just waited until.

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<v Speaker 1>The fix was in to not put it in early.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about.

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<v Speaker 2>This, do we know?

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<v Speaker 1>Do we know that IMDb gets paid off by producers

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<v Speaker 1>to wait?

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<v Speaker 4>I guess not.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they don't get the info.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they just wink wink.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway. So there's a lot of people wandering around in

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle, yeah this episode, which seems like a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 1>They need to have like trackers or something. Well, there's

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<v Speaker 1>some way to identify themselves as friendlies before they come

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<v Speaker 1>upon one another. Now that there are guns, well, Jack

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<v Speaker 1>has all the guns again theoretically, but does he though, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know who knows who else may have done when yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't not.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't feel too confident about that. So Charlie buried Ethan,

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<v Speaker 2>and they did really focus on his dead hand, Yes

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<v Speaker 2>they did.

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<v Speaker 1>What was that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, was that just supposed to be like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he's really dead, or like I was waiting for that

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<v Speaker 2>hand to move. I was definitely thinking it was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be grabbing Charlie by the neck at any moment,

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<v Speaker 2>but apparently No.

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<v Speaker 1>It was weird because I couldn't remember who it was

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<v Speaker 1>they were burying, because they buried the other guys and

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<v Speaker 1>it's who else died I couldn't remember. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>starts talking to somebody else about it, so or somebody Yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>he mentions it right, I felt like he had to

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<v Speaker 1>bury him because he killed him. Nobody else feels like

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<v Speaker 1>they have to bury him. When are they just going

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<v Speaker 1>Why is Charlie the only one who thinks, oh, put

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would have thought they all would have been

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, But maybe this has to happen because he's going

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<v Speaker 1>but anything seems possible. So, you know, he buries the

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, Hey, you know, killing somebody can kind of

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<v Speaker 3>Just you're not alone? He really isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean by these what sixteen episodes in and a

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think they have a support group, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sit around the fire and talk about there are various murders,

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<v Speaker 1>you might be saying, maybe we could find another camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Although you know, I think you do probably want to

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<v Speaker 4>Should somebody, yes, definitely figure out who they are and.

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<v Speaker 1>Of all the murderers, which ones do I want to

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, as they say, keep your friends close and

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<v Speaker 2>your enemies closer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep, yep, yep. No Boon in this episode, but

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<v Speaker 1>only his footsteps, because I think Case said that Swayer

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<v Speaker 2>Locke wanders in at a tell a parable at an

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<v Speaker 3>That he found.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go. That's you know, I guess, biggers,

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<v Speaker 1>campy choosers. You take whatever's been dropped out of an

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<v Speaker 3>A month I believe is how long.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter how you you know, it's it's still good.

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<v Speaker 1>People watching this who are super super specific about their

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<v Speaker 1>an airtised container in a climate controlled area. Shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's not a Starbucks on the island, so

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<v Speaker 1>they gotta do what they gotta do.

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<v Speaker 2>No, just just the hair salon and.

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<v Speaker 1>The dog rumor, you know, the day spot might have

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll probably get yourself a lot there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Claire's been going there too. There's her hair is

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<v Speaker 2>looking yes, looking good. Yes, that's not that's not island care.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not. Oh well, you know what, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>really want to see them as scraggly as they would be.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, they would be disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>It really would. We will, we will take our little

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<v Speaker 1>allowances for you know, entertaining TV shows. We don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be We don't want to be worried about them.

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<v Speaker 1>For those things. We want to be worried about them,

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<v Speaker 1>for the many, many ways they've screwed up their lives

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<v Speaker 1>leading to this point.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that has brought them to this to this point,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh dear. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there's that moment at the end where Sawyer has

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's gonna file that away for another.

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<v Speaker 1>I recognized by that little catchphrase you used that the

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<v Speaker 1>he said what a good guy he thought you were.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was Yeah, there's no way Sawyer's given that

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<v Speaker 2>to Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>And also even if you had, Jack would have said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, sure you did, Bunny, What are you trying

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So it wouldn't have worked, but just for a second,

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<v Speaker 1>looks like you thought about it. And my husband had

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out that the year that this show was on

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<v Speaker 1>is the year that the Red Sox did in fact

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<v Speaker 1>go to the World Series, so kind of messed up

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<v Speaker 1>their catchphrase. But yeah, I think they write in something

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<v Speaker 1>about it later on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, love that they were already we don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>time of year.

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<v Speaker 1>This was like, it's like a good place with the

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<v Speaker 1>Jaguars being the running joke, and then oh yeah he did.

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<v Speaker 1>They did go to the super Bowl, So you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>watch it sports, use the sports and al than Jez,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll never know what you're gonna get.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes we'll get you.

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<v Speaker 1>So next Tuesday we will continue on with season one,

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<v Speaker 1>episode seventeen of Lost dot dot dot in Translation. So

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<v Speaker 1>who do you guess are gonna have the flashback system?

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<v Speaker 2>Could it be Sun or Gin? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it is a Gin flashback episode. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh an allusion to one of my favorite movies,

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<v Speaker 1>Lost in Translation.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we will see you back here tomorrow to discuss

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