Speaker 1: Clippers with their third straight loss. They're fourth straight at
into a dome where they remain winless. They dropped two
and four in the season. After they drop a ball
game one oh five to ninety two here at the
Dome to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Welcome back into your
postgame show, Clippers talk, coming up back to your phone calls.
But first, Chuck Mockler is joining the show from Clips
and Dip. Fame, Jack, you're really doing the Lord's work
and rescuing me tonight. Thanks for doing this.
Speaker 2: Hey, just I guess I'm happy to be here today.
Speaker 1: Well, it's good to have you. I mean, it's the
same old story, turnovers, miss free throws. But the point
we talked about on Clips and Dip yesterday and I've
been talking about is I just think a lot of
this is as simple as the talent disadvantage is too
difficult to overcome. Once the opposition decides they're going all
out in the second half, in fourth quarters, once the
other team that's more talented also gives a maximum effort
like Deadpool, then you're in trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they can. They're just built to get
leaned out based on exactly what you're saying, if you
look at the you know three best players in each game,
if you can bind the rosters, the Clippers have one
guy on the top three players of probably who's in
that game list. And in terms of just utilization, I
was looking at the stats the last two games. Zoo
has twenty field goal attempts and KPJ has nineteen, and
I think that is indicative of something where we're getting away.
There's not a lot of easy buckets to be had
right but if Zoo, I don't know, there's I think
it's more than personnel that's a little busted right now.
But the personnels that we have, so I just I
hope they can figure some things out.
Speaker 1: Well, and Zoo didn't have a good game tonight, and
KPJ had another bad second half after I thought he
had a really good overall first half. The entry passes
to a visa Zoo bots were miserable, and when they
couldn't punish the smalls of the Okay thunder, well, there
goes part of your adjustment. Because coach Luke kept him
out there and said, oh, you're taking it off the
floor and going small. We don't care. We're gonna leave
it Beviata zoobots out here. We're gonna punish you. They
couldn't even get him the ball. It wasn't just KPJ.
I mean the post entry stuff was difficult to watch.
Some of it was on Zoo not meeting the ball
or not trying to get deep enough in the post
to his sweet spots. He didn't have a great game,
but there's no argument against him having twenty shots to
KPJ having nineteen over the last two games. When it
eats the Zubats is the third most impactful player on
this team and is necessary to win. KPJ isn't one
of the core pieces that you say, hey, if we
don't have him coming into this season, I don't know
what's gonna happen, right.
Speaker 2: So absolutely I would agree with that, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is the game because we did
see a change late and we finally saw Jordan Miller
and bones Hyland that coach Lu gets to point to
and say, look, guys, it's not working. I have to
try something else. I've got enough evidence and now I
have to try something else. Do you think he got
enough of the tape where he can go to a
vet and say this is why we're bringing you out,
taking you out or I don't even know if you
can call KPJ a vet, but.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, right? The KPJ vet argument
was very funny last time I was on here, because
I don't think he's a bad so I think maybe
he gets he gets the benefit of the doubt. I
guess over Bowdens Highland, who's played more NBA basketball than KPJ. Has.
I hope you're right. I don't think you are, and
I don't mean that in a in a mean way.
But I think it's going to be a couple more games.
I think they're gonna maybe let's see how the home
stand goes, Right, we just got off the road back
to back. Let's let's get they've lost.
Speaker 1: The home stand already. They've lost it already.
Speaker 2: They're all three. I know, I don't like it. I
think it's gonna be a couple more games. But you know,
did Bones show anything tonight to make you necessarily feel
it's time? I agree that. I think I think he
will get a shot, and he should, but tonight maybe
maybe it was just a dip in the uh tylo
dipping his toe and the bones pool possibility because it
wasn't totally out of hand, right, you know what I mean?
And bones still came in, but they just need scoring
on this it's brutal when the entire scoring Norman Harden
on the scorers. Both those guys sat at one point
tonight late and it was brutal.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the lineup, I'll say this. People are going
after coach lou for that. It's like that's the same
lineup that played even against Okasey to start the second quarter.
The same lineup that ended up beating Golden State and
the Denver Nuggets with KPJ Done, a mere Batoom and
a Visa Zubas. That lineup has been a plus and
it wasn't in the fourth quarter. That was the first
time they got hammered this season. Really, And I.
Speaker 2: Think this plays to your point from the beginning of
Okac decided we are the better team, now, you know
what I mean. I'm not like I think both things
kind of flow into that where it's like you just
look at the rosters, you put, you know, the thirty
players together, you run down who has who's the top
players in that thirty. The other team is going to
probably have more guys in that top five. How much,
especially with Thunderham specifically.
Speaker 1: How much of the blame game and part of the
blame pie right now do you put on coach lou
Because I saw a guy take a time out thirty
five seconds into the third quarter when they he saw
one bad rotation immediately to start the second half and
he didn't want any more of that. I mean I
saw the same thing against Phoenix, Oh rolling up seventeen.
I'm calling a time out early here, Like he's tried
to stop some of these runs and to gather as guys.
I just honestly, I don't know what more he could
be doing right now. I think as a talent and
roster construction without having Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you look at this roster and like
the two things people are calling for are Jordan Miller
and bones Hiland to get Terrence Man spot. That's kind
of what most people, that's kind of you know, the
popular thinking right now, what's the next move? To your point?
What is what is move too? If that doesn't work,
you know, we're not gonna play Kai Jones more than Zoo.
No disrespect to Kai, but like you look at this roster,
and it's like there's one switch that people can think of,
and that is giving Jordan Miller more time or giving
Bones Moore time. There's no other aside from Kawhi coming back.
There's no other thing that people are seeing rationally in
terms of actually winning basketball games that can be done
for this team, right Like when Chris Dune's playing better,
he gets more monod from Terrence Man, like kylu is
pulling those streams well, but you just have guys. I mean,
Derrick Jones Junior was one of nine tonight. He was
my pick to be one of the players of the game.
Bad pick in retrospect, But some of this is just
most of this is roster and execution.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, my picks were doing big work in the last.
Speaker 2: Hey three they played.
Speaker 1: I love the point you make about where does he
go if that move doesn't work, Like you get to
def con one that early in the season and look
that desperate to make that move, and then Jordan Miller
doesn't perform and he had a bad turnover when he
came into the game, or Bones Highland is really up
and down just like KPJ. Then what are you doing?
You're out of moves? Already. Do you really want to
be in that place.
Speaker 2: And we can't tank if we if we have the pick,
I would say, figure it out, you know, wherever we're
at after twenty games. But that's not the case. Like,
and there's just and I want Jordan Miller to be good,
right and I would love for bone Tyler to come
in and really make a positive mark and be able
to be consistent in his role with this team. But
they did. They got to do it gradually, And maybe
tonight what that side that he's that Tyler's gradually thinking
about this. I mean they play the Spurs next, Like,
if they can go bad in that game, I can't
imagine Tyler would react well rightfully, So so we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, what if they went bad early against OKC,
does he go to that move earlier in the game
that he ended up doing late. Maybe that's what happens
against San Antonio if they're doa if they're not playing
the right way. I love the fact that he's like,
we're down sixteen, there's four and a half minutes left
and we have eight points on the board, and you
guys are doing nothing. I Am going to a different
line up here. Sorry, guys, I think you do have
to send a message like that one for a while.
Even though you could say the game still wasn't totally
out of reach, but the way they were playing, there's
no logic to say they were about to turn it
around anytime soon with the starters, So I get it. Chuck,
great analysis tonight. Appreciate you doing this late night on
a Saturday night, holding it down. I know people are
loving seeing you on the chat here too, And we
got a clips and dip coming up on Tuesday at
the latest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tuesday, maybe tomorrow. I get back to LA around
four fifteen, so we might be able to knock an
episode out with the Big Three tomorrow.
Speaker 1: All right, sounds good. Thanks for doing this tonight, Chuck.
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go clip. Thanks for having me