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Speaker 1: Clippers with their third straight loss. They're fourth straight at

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into a dome where they remain winless. They dropped two

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and four in the season. After they drop a ball

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game one oh five to ninety two here at the

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Dome to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Welcome back into your

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postgame show, Clippers talk, coming up back to your phone calls.

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But first, Chuck Mockler is joining the show from Clips

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and Dip. Fame, Jack, you're really doing the Lord's work

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and rescuing me tonight. Thanks for doing this.

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Speaker 2: Hey, just I guess I'm happy to be here today.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's good to have you. I mean, it's the

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same old story, turnovers, miss free throws. But the point

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we talked about on Clips and Dip yesterday and I've

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been talking about is I just think a lot of

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this is as simple as the talent disadvantage is too

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difficult to overcome. Once the opposition decides they're going all

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out in the second half, in fourth quarters, once the

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other team that's more talented also gives a maximum effort

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like Deadpool, then you're in trouble.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they can. They're just built to get

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leaned out based on exactly what you're saying, if you

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look at the you know three best players in each game,

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if you can bind the rosters, the Clippers have one

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guy on the top three players of probably who's in

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that game list. And in terms of just utilization, I

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was looking at the stats the last two games. Zoo

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has twenty field goal attempts and KPJ has nineteen, and

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I think that is indicative of something where we're getting away.

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There's not a lot of easy buckets to be had

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right but if Zoo, I don't know, there's I think

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it's more than personnel that's a little busted right now.

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But the personnels that we have, so I just I

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hope they can figure some things out.

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Speaker 1: Well, and Zoo didn't have a good game tonight, and

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KPJ had another bad second half after I thought he

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had a really good overall first half. The entry passes

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to a visa Zoo bots were miserable, and when they

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couldn't punish the smalls of the Okay thunder, well, there

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goes part of your adjustment. Because coach Luke kept him

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out there and said, oh, you're taking it off the

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floor and going small. We don't care. We're gonna leave

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it Beviata zoobots out here. We're gonna punish you. They

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couldn't even get him the ball. It wasn't just KPJ.

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I mean the post entry stuff was difficult to watch.

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Some of it was on Zoo not meeting the ball

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or not trying to get deep enough in the post

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to his sweet spots. He didn't have a great game,

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but there's no argument against him having twenty shots to

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KPJ having nineteen over the last two games. When it

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eats the Zubats is the third most impactful player on

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this team and is necessary to win. KPJ isn't one

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of the core pieces that you say, hey, if we

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don't have him coming into this season, I don't know

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what's gonna happen, right.

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Speaker 2: So absolutely I would agree with that, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you think this is the game because we did

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see a change late and we finally saw Jordan Miller

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and bones Hyland that coach Lu gets to point to

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and say, look, guys, it's not working. I have to

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try something else. I've got enough evidence and now I

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have to try something else. Do you think he got

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enough of the tape where he can go to a

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vet and say this is why we're bringing you out,

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taking you out or I don't even know if you

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can call KPJ a vet, but.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, right? The KPJ vet argument

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was very funny last time I was on here, because

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I don't think he's a bad so I think maybe

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he gets he gets the benefit of the doubt. I

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guess over Bowdens Highland, who's played more NBA basketball than KPJ. Has.

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I hope you're right. I don't think you are, and

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I don't mean that in a in a mean way.

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But I think it's going to be a couple more games.

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I think they're gonna maybe let's see how the home

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stand goes, Right, we just got off the road back

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to back. Let's let's get they've lost.

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Speaker 1: The home stand already. They've lost it already.

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Speaker 2: They're all three. I know, I don't like it. I

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think it's gonna be a couple more games. But you know,

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did Bones show anything tonight to make you necessarily feel

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it's time? I agree that. I think I think he

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will get a shot, and he should, but tonight maybe

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maybe it was just a dip in the uh tylo

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dipping his toe and the bones pool possibility because it

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wasn't totally out of hand, right, you know what I mean?

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And bones still came in, but they just need scoring

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on this it's brutal when the entire scoring Norman Harden

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on the scorers. Both those guys sat at one point

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tonight late and it was brutal.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the lineup, I'll say this. People are going

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after coach lou for that. It's like that's the same

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lineup that played even against Okasey to start the second quarter.

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The same lineup that ended up beating Golden State and

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the Denver Nuggets with KPJ Done, a mere Batoom and

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a Visa Zubas. That lineup has been a plus and

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it wasn't in the fourth quarter. That was the first

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time they got hammered this season. Really, And I.

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Speaker 2: Think this plays to your point from the beginning of

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Okac decided we are the better team, now, you know

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what I mean. I'm not like I think both things

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kind of flow into that where it's like you just

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look at the rosters, you put, you know, the thirty

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players together, you run down who has who's the top

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players in that thirty. The other team is going to

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probably have more guys in that top five. How much,

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especially with Thunderham specifically.

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Speaker 1: How much of the blame game and part of the

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blame pie right now do you put on coach lou

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Because I saw a guy take a time out thirty

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five seconds into the third quarter when they he saw

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one bad rotation immediately to start the second half and

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he didn't want any more of that. I mean I

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saw the same thing against Phoenix, Oh rolling up seventeen.

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I'm calling a time out early here, Like he's tried

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to stop some of these runs and to gather as guys.

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I just honestly, I don't know what more he could

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be doing right now. I think as a talent and

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roster construction without having Kawhi Leonard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you look at this roster and like

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the two things people are calling for are Jordan Miller

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and bones Hiland to get Terrence Man spot. That's kind

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of what most people, that's kind of you know, the

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popular thinking right now, what's the next move? To your point?

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What is what is move too? If that doesn't work,

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you know, we're not gonna play Kai Jones more than Zoo.

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No disrespect to Kai, but like you look at this roster,

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and it's like there's one switch that people can think of,

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and that is giving Jordan Miller more time or giving

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Bones Moore time. There's no other aside from Kawhi coming back.

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There's no other thing that people are seeing rationally in

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terms of actually winning basketball games that can be done

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for this team, right Like when Chris Dune's playing better,

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he gets more monod from Terrence Man, like kylu is

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pulling those streams well, but you just have guys. I mean,

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Derrick Jones Junior was one of nine tonight. He was

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my pick to be one of the players of the game.

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Bad pick in retrospect, But some of this is just

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most of this is roster and execution.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, my picks were doing big work in the last.

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Speaker 2: Hey three they played.

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Speaker 1: I love the point you make about where does he

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go if that move doesn't work, Like you get to

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def con one that early in the season and look

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that desperate to make that move, and then Jordan Miller

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doesn't perform and he had a bad turnover when he

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came into the game, or Bones Highland is really up

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and down just like KPJ. Then what are you doing?

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You're out of moves? Already. Do you really want to

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be in that place.

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Speaker 2: And we can't tank if we if we have the pick,

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I would say, figure it out, you know, wherever we're

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at after twenty games. But that's not the case. Like,

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and there's just and I want Jordan Miller to be good,

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right and I would love for bone Tyler to come

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in and really make a positive mark and be able

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to be consistent in his role with this team. But

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they did. They got to do it gradually, And maybe

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tonight what that side that he's that Tyler's gradually thinking

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about this. I mean they play the Spurs next, Like,

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if they can go bad in that game, I can't

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imagine Tyler would react well rightfully, So so we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, what if they went bad early against OKC,

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does he go to that move earlier in the game

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that he ended up doing late. Maybe that's what happens

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against San Antonio if they're doa if they're not playing

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the right way. I love the fact that he's like,

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we're down sixteen, there's four and a half minutes left

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and we have eight points on the board, and you

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guys are doing nothing. I Am going to a different

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line up here. Sorry, guys, I think you do have

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to send a message like that one for a while.

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Even though you could say the game still wasn't totally

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out of reach, but the way they were playing, there's

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no logic to say they were about to turn it

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around anytime soon with the starters, So I get it. Chuck,

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great analysis tonight. Appreciate you doing this late night on

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a Saturday night, holding it down. I know people are

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loving seeing you on the chat here too, And we

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got a clips and dip coming up on Tuesday at

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the latest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tuesday, maybe tomorrow. I get back to LA around

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four fifteen, so we might be able to knock an

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episode out with the Big Three tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: All right, sounds good. Thanks for doing this tonight, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's go clip. Thanks for having me