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<v Speaker 1>Berg and the recent passing of two heavyweights and when

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<v Speaker 1>I say super heavyweights, actually David Rockefeller and a Big

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<v Speaker 1>New Brazinski. And our next guest is an author. He's

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<v Speaker 1>also the founder of Jay'sanalysis dot com but also the

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<v Speaker 1>author of the recent release the book is called Esoteric Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jay is also a regular on Alternate Current Radio's

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<v Speaker 1>Boiler Room, which broadcast live every Thursday on ACR, hosted

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<v Speaker 1>by the One the Only Hesher also hosted the Hessian Session.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jay Dyer is going to help us hopefully navigate

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit through what was the Big New Brazinski

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<v Speaker 1>all about. He is definitely one of the most influential

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<v Speaker 1>geopolitical thinkers I think of the last hundred years, but

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<v Speaker 1>his work also follows on from other people before him.

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<v Speaker 1>But welcome to the Sunday Wire, Jay, Great to have

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<v Speaker 1>you back.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Patrick. I'm glad to be back. It's been probably

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<v Speaker 2>six or eight months since I was last on. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen the passing away of two, you know, within

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<v Speaker 2>the span of what a couple of months, both a

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<v Speaker 2>Rockfeller and Brazenski.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's very interesting. David. I didn't think David was

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<v Speaker 1>going to die started to interrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, how many hearts is supposedly he had I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's a true story or no, but

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<v Speaker 2>he had a state of the art trauma or heart

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<v Speaker 2>sort of hospital thing bolted to his house with full

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<v Speaker 2>time medical staff.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fitting because Brazanski, of course is a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a protege of David Rockefeller, and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>quotes where he spoke of.

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<v Speaker 1>Him in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>So so you kind of have this passing of the

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<v Speaker 2>torch and then they're now both dead. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's fitting as well that Bilderberg is going on because

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<v Speaker 2>they're both obviously intimately tied into Bilderberg.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, Brazinski h really came on the scene

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<v Speaker 1>in a big way as Jimmy Carter's national security advisor

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<v Speaker 1>at a really pivotal time in history as well, in

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<v Speaker 1>the late nineteen seventies and mid nineteen seventies nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>six actually, but a lot was going on there. Brazinski

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<v Speaker 1>has been credited with many things, Jay, not least of

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<v Speaker 1>all the creation of al Qaeda or helping with that process,

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<v Speaker 1>but also at a time when you know, a pivotal

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<v Speaker 1>time in US Soviet relations as well. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>really coming to the latter stages of the Cold War,

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<v Speaker 1>and so just walk us through. You know, why is

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<v Speaker 1>Brazinski so important? Why was he so influential. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about his books in a minute, but you know what

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<v Speaker 1>was it about? Why was Brazinski holding this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>grand plan and why others were not as influential. Why

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<v Speaker 1>was he so special?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's partly because of his experience growing up. The

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<v Speaker 2>story at least is that because of Soviet occupation and Poland,

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<v Speaker 2>and because of his noble Polish descent, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>family had to flee and they landed in Canada and

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<v Speaker 2>it's from there that Brazienski kind of rose into the

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<v Speaker 2>ranks of academia and the academic establishment. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>would go to McGill University, which is very interesting because

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<v Speaker 2>McGill is a very well connected deep state school. You

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<v Speaker 2>could say, because anyone who's done a lot of research

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<v Speaker 2>on the what's public in regard to the mk ulture program,

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<v Speaker 2>McGill was central to that. Many of the studies were

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<v Speaker 2>actually done there, as well as dozens of other universities.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason I bring that up is not to

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<v Speaker 2>be over the conspiratorial but rather, if you know what

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<v Speaker 2>in culture was really about, not so much you know,

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<v Speaker 2>creating a mind control assassin, but rather social engineering. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that really informs his first nineteen seventy book, which

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, between two Ages, and it's in between

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<v Speaker 2>two ages where you have the presentation of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of futurism, technocratic managerial control, and this is what.

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<v Speaker 1>Would catch the eye of David Rockefeller.

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<v Speaker 2>Many writers who've written on this have discussed that that

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<v Speaker 2>it was really the book that impressed David Rockefeller, that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of got him recruited into, you know, the NGO complex,

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<v Speaker 2>And really, in many ways, Brazinski is kind of the godfather.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you posted an article showing him as a

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<v Speaker 2>machiavellian character behind the Prince. I think that's very accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>He's really the father of this whole NGO smart complex,

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<v Speaker 2>soft power approach and technology that we're seeing played out

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<v Speaker 2>not only in Syria, but also in the last several

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<v Speaker 2>conflicts of the last few decades. Back to as you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned nineteen seventy nine with Afghanistan and so.

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<v Speaker 1>David Rocke you talked about the synergy between Rockefeller in

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<v Speaker 1>Brazinski and how the book Between Two Ages by his

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<v Speaker 1>big new Brazinski, why that would have caught the eye

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<v Speaker 1>of David Rockefeller. And is it because underlying the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the un idea, the one child policy in China,

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<v Speaker 1>population control, Underneath all this is the need for some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of technocratic expertise. And is this what Rockefeller saw

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<v Speaker 1>in Between Two Ages? Or because this book is yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of foreshadowing a lot of stuff that actually

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<v Speaker 1>has come to fruition. Yeah, I say it's the book

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<v Speaker 1>is like HG.

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<v Speaker 2>Wells meets Carol Quiggly meets Bertrand Russell, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>throw out all of the friendly veneer of Carol Quigglely

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<v Speaker 2>with his pseudo Catholic approach. This is just the hardcore

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<v Speaker 2>technocratic skeletal remains of what you find in Quiggley, with

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<v Speaker 2>all the excess baggage shed and it's just straight into

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<v Speaker 2>the point. And I think that was part of the

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<v Speaker 2>reason that David Rockefeller was prompted to actually call a

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<v Speaker 2>Kissinger and he said, you know, I've got a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that I want to set up as the chairman of

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<v Speaker 2>a new entity that will kind of, in a way

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<v Speaker 2>supersede the CFR, and so this is kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>SUPERDFR if you will, which is Collateral Commission. It was

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<v Speaker 2>founded by Rockefeller and featured Brazinski as its first head

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy two slash three.

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<v Speaker 1>And so so the Trilateral Commission Commission hugely influential, especially

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<v Speaker 1>on the Pacific RIM as well with the emerging China.

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<v Speaker 1>But also if you know the TAP, the transpecific partnership,

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people believe that's the life's work of

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<v Speaker 1>the of the Trilatle Commission. So what other work was

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<v Speaker 1>involved in?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very important, I think to understand all of

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, there's so much that's in between two

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<v Speaker 2>ages that that it really it's really difficult to boil down.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, he talks about the death of ideology,

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<v Speaker 2>and along with the DA he lists three things.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, you have.

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<v Speaker 2>The death of ideology, you have the death of religion,

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<v Speaker 2>you have the death of nationalism. And so these forces

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<v Speaker 2>have been replaced by consumerism and the international liberal market order.

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<v Speaker 1>But Brasinski is not really.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't buy into anything like a capitalist socialist dialectic.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, all of those ideologies are again part of that

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<v Speaker 2>section of things that have gone the old way, their dinosaurs,

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<v Speaker 2>they're dead.

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<v Speaker 1>We're moving into.

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<v Speaker 2>A new age, where the hints the title between two ages.

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<v Speaker 2>The new age that we're moving into will be one

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<v Speaker 2>that will have to be dominated by some superpower. And

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<v Speaker 2>at that time when he was writing that in nineteen seventy,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, it was the United States, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>arguing that, you know that the Soviet Union could not

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<v Speaker 2>be in any way allowed to have supremacy. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he has that virulent anti Russian stance going all the

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<v Speaker 2>way back to his childhood. And so that's really the

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<v Speaker 2>amazing foresight in that book is that he kind of

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<v Speaker 2>foresaw the dismantling of the so Union.

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<v Speaker 1>He also laid out many of the plans and.

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<v Speaker 2>Strategies to as to how to do that, and that

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<v Speaker 2>would come to fruition, you know, in the nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>seven book Grand Chess Board. But again, what's so crucial

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<v Speaker 2>is not just the consumerism, not just the the rejecting

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<v Speaker 2>of any ideology or religion, but the explicit statements of

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<v Speaker 2>all of the techniques of technocracy, managerial control by bureaucrats,

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<v Speaker 2>moving this into a global sphere, dismantling the older ideas

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<v Speaker 2>of nation state and religion, and that you could literally

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<v Speaker 2>control the population, you could literally control mass communications, and

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<v Speaker 2>even beyond that into the spheres of you know, exotic

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<v Speaker 2>weapons with weather modification, electromagnetic pulse control through towers that

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<v Speaker 2>would actually target whole continents. I mean, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>really he's really the source for why so many people

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<v Speaker 2>who are derided as conspiracy theorists have a legitimate, i

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<v Speaker 2>think argument as to why weather modification and geoengineering and

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff is very real. So, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>we hear all this stuff about climate change, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how come nobody ever brings up the fact that Brazinski

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<v Speaker 2>said that weather modification could be used for this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff, you know what I mean, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing that when this book was written, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>theoretically anyway, maybe this technology, some of the technology was around,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was way way before some of the trends

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<v Speaker 2>To give you one example, he even says that through

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<v Speaker 2>the net, and he's writing this again in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>the internet. He says that in the future, people will

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<v Speaker 2>be taking their university classes on the net, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>how that's how far ahead he was. Yeah, so I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>based on this, Jay Is, I'm what I'm the point

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to make to some people a few

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago after we posted the obituary of Brazinski, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, judgments aside, this is my exact words, judgments aside.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of the most influential thinkers of the

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<v Speaker 2>last hundred years. And do you think that's a fair assessment.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say so, because he's he's one of these

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people characterize him as the brains. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you have the bankers, and then maybe the bloods, the

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<v Speaker 2>old money and then but they're not always necessarily engaged

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<v Speaker 2>in strategies and psychological warfare. You need guys who are

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<v Speaker 2>the brains to do that. And so you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>have the Kissingers, you have the Brazenskis, you have the Quigglies.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, these are the brains. So absolutely, and so

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<v Speaker 1>following on from that, one of his big seller's best

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<v Speaker 1>sellers after that was The Grand Chess Board. And so

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<v Speaker 1>now we're getting into sort of real politic geopolitical style,

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<v Speaker 1>and so a lot of his theories he's built on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the halfred mckinder. Uh. You know, world island,

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<v Speaker 1>the heartland theory. You know, whoever, whoever can capture that

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<v Speaker 1>that precious patch of land known as the Eurasian land bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>you know around Georgia, Ukraine, Crimea and the steps of

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<v Speaker 1>the urals there, that is the basically the person who's

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<v Speaker 1>going to basically rule the world. And that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>been true in the last few hundred years. So many

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<v Speaker 1>countries have fought, you know, to win or to occupy

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<v Speaker 1>this I know, this has dominated geopolitical thought and strategy

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<v Speaker 1>for pretty much the whole twentieth century and still even

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<v Speaker 1>you could argue into the twenty first century. Uh, but

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<v Speaker 1>did Brazilski or anybody see that is becoming secondary in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. In other words, maybe technology or fast air

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<v Speaker 1>travel or something might eclipse the need to basically rule

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<v Speaker 1>that area in order to rule the world. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is, as he calls it, the geopolitical

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<v Speaker 2>because of its minerals, because of its population. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five percent of the population is in the Eurasian

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<v Speaker 2>land mass. All of this, Brazilski argues just flat out,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically says this is in nineteen ninety seven at least

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<v Speaker 2>crucial for the Anglo American establishment to control.

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<v Speaker 1>To maintain American hegemony.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's amazing also is that he says that if

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<v Speaker 2>he says that if they don't control these vassals, and

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<v Speaker 2>if they don't actually cause the destabilization in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the former Soviet satellites, then the world will fall

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<v Speaker 2>into anarchy. So in other words, if I don't cause anarchy,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very again machiavellian. And that's why Brazinski, from the

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<v Speaker 2>first book all the way to his last book, Strategic Vision,

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<v Speaker 1>He says, the internationalists.

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<v Speaker 2>Will always have the upper hand, precise said, because they're

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<v Speaker 2>not caught up in ideology or left right or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>good guy, bad guy there there, they supersede that, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they're able to kind of say above the fray

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<v Speaker 2>and therefore manage it. So he's kind of the father

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<v Speaker 2>of the modern hybrid warfare, you know, approach to managing

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<v Speaker 2>controlled chaos, And that's actually what he wrote as well

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<v Speaker 2>in between two ages. It also mentions the possibilities of

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<v Speaker 2>exploiting religious, social class differences and tensions in any specific

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<v Speaker 1>All of that, you know, is laid out very clear

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<v Speaker 1>in the old old work, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>In the nineteen ninety seven book it's kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>an updated approach to really setting the stage.

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<v Speaker 1>For the war on terror.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he mentioned some of the same phraseology of

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<v Speaker 2>the Project for an American Century, where he talks about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a new pearl harbor could give the impression

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<v Speaker 2>of the great external threat, and then that great external

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<v Speaker 2>threat could of course always be a justification for any

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<v Speaker 2>He again, Brazenski is really the brainchild of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the practice of how the US is operated, not

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<v Speaker 2>just since you know, the sixties and Carter and Trilateral Commission,

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<v Speaker 2>but also since the nine eleven in the War on Terror.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think Brazenski was a big thinker in sort

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<v Speaker 2>of formulating where the US would go further into this

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<v Speaker 2>and mindless, you know, expansionist perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>So I can imagine him in the situation room, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with any of these presidents basically saying He's telling them, look,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going it's going to blow eventually, so we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to make it blow, and this is how we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to manage the fallout, and this is how we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to benefit from that on the back end, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just a full solution from beginning to end. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to light the match, we're going to burn it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we're going to put out the fire, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we're going to rebuild. I could see, I could

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<v Speaker 1>see where his sort of strategy. This guy, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at him compared to other National Security advisors,

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<v Speaker 1>Jay who I don't know much about, but I do know,

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<v Speaker 1>like Susan Rice, for instance, and I look at the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that Brazinsky was putting out forty years ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this guy is very hardcore, quite an IQ

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<v Speaker 1>deferential between Brazenski and these characters. I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 1>Brezenski was a virtuous man, but more so on the

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<v Speaker 1>cunning Machiavelian side. But definitely a great iq disparity there

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<v Speaker 1>between these these.

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<v Speaker 2>Present day clowns. But you know, again to look at

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<v Speaker 2>an example of this, this fore planning foresight. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the Grand Chessboard, he talks about how Ukraine is

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<v Speaker 2>crucial to Russia. Fifty two million people he's running in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety seven, a lot of economic and power and

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<v Speaker 2>resource there, and Brazenski says that the US will have

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<v Speaker 2>to remove Ukraine from the sphere of Russia. So in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety seven, Brazenski is telegraphing to you what would

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<v Speaker 2>happen in twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Mike, this reminds me of like he was maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he was trained by the British or something. Where do

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<v Speaker 1>you get this, where do you get this Machiavelian mindset from?

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<v Speaker 1>It's extraordinary though the track record from the nineteen six.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also the father of Putin as Hitler, which is

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<v Speaker 2>not brought up very often, but that meme really comes

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<v Speaker 2>from Brazinski.

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<v Speaker 3>Jay just uh you talk about his foresight and so on,

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<v Speaker 3>and and his UH his concerns about Soviet influence in

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<v Speaker 3>the world and so on. But he while he was

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<v Speaker 3>in office, of course, he he helped normalize RELATIONSHSIP with China,

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<v Speaker 3>and then later on he UH broke relations with China

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<v Speaker 3>over Taiwan and so on. So but what what did

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<v Speaker 3>he have to say about chain Did he foresee what

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<v Speaker 3>they influenced that China was eventually going to have in

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's interesting because the older Brazinski back during

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<v Speaker 2>the Cold War would write about China and Russia as threats,

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<v Speaker 2>and then as you move up into the nineties, he

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<v Speaker 2>warms up to China and again, you know, the main

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<v Speaker 2>force in Grand Chess board, that is the concern, is

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<v Speaker 2>what Patrick said, the perennial concern of the British Empire Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the the eternal enemy. But then by the

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<v Speaker 2>time of Strategic Vision, which was also written right around

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty thirteen or fourteen, right around the time actually

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<v Speaker 2>of the the Ukraine situation, he begins to actually warm

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<v Speaker 2>up to both and he's and he says, we can

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<v Speaker 2>move into an international order where we can actually work

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<v Speaker 2>with China but Russia is still the main concern. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know in particular about the situation with Taiwan

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<v Speaker 2>as to whether that really was a big deal with

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<v Speaker 2>with Brazenski, because I think he's more of a long

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<v Speaker 2>term strategist. He's mainly concerned with the end goal, which

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<v Speaker 2>is how are we going to get to the international order.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this pretty much dominates all the books. It's

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<v Speaker 2>We've got to get the international order. This is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why Brazenski has a kind of pseudo

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<v Speaker 2>critic of the neocons and Bush is that that after

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<v Speaker 2>the big terror events, they he says, they don't to

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<v Speaker 2>the the international order the way it should be done.

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<v Speaker 2>They rely on this sort of you know, American imperial

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<v Speaker 1>So by strategic.

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<v Speaker 2>Vision, he's arguing that we really need to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>look past any of these kind of older divides of

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<v Speaker 2>Russia or Russian nationalism or any kind of nationalism. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's just time to move past that and create the

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<v Speaker 1>And with some of these these characters, Jay, you see

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<v Speaker 1>that later in life, sort of in their twilight years,

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<v Speaker 1>they do light lighten up to some degree in compared

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<v Speaker 1>to their hardcore form or selves. Brazinski had a statement

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<v Speaker 1>that I that stuck in my head. He said that

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing that could threaten the world order, or

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<v Speaker 1>sort of our design of it, is some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a global awakening brought on by some great wave of

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<v Speaker 1>political a way fareness or something. And I wasn't sure

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<v Speaker 1>if he was speaking about that as if it was

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<v Speaker 1>a threat to the world order, or if it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be absorbed into the orders as possibly a

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<v Speaker 1>positive thing. It was. It was hard It was an

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<v Speaker 2>This has dealt with in Strategic Vision the last book,

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<v Speaker 2>And what he talks about is he, you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>that strategist, he's not really putting a positive or negative

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<v Speaker 2>appraisal on it. He's basically looking at the facts and

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<v Speaker 2>he's saying.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, this is gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to have this mass awakening because of the

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<v Speaker 2>move of internationalism is obviously going to upset a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people. You're gonna have reactions, and so what needs

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<v Speaker 2>to happen is that these reactionary movements have to be

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<v Speaker 2>kind of corralled and co opted. He actually talks about

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<v Speaker 2>co opting these things, and I think that's what the

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<v Speaker 2>whole you know, n g O model is there to

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<v Speaker 2>do in any of these regions where you have reactions, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the soft power model that we talked to

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<v Speaker 2>about the you and Vanessa Bilia written so well about.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that Brazenski has been saying for decades that

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<v Speaker 2>that's really the key to containing the discontent that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen as a result of globalism. So, yes, he

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<v Speaker 2>knows there's going to be an awakening, he talks about it,

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<v Speaker 2>but he definitely wants to see it co opted and

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<v Speaker 2>turned into the anti American globalist model. And so that's

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<v Speaker 2>where I think the key to understanding Brezenski is that

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<v Speaker 2>when he was arguing for American imperialism back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven, that was just as a tool. And so

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's kind of a cloak or a skelet. It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a costume that can be shed. And so

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<v Speaker 2>once you get the movement, once America has been demonized

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<v Speaker 2>to a certain degree that is actually part of the plan,

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<v Speaker 2>you can just kind of discard it for the new

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<v Speaker 2>international order. Oh, that's here to fix us, or to

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<v Speaker 2>here to fix the problems you know that America caused.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm very critical of America and American ideology, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that from the Brazinski Machiavellian standpoint, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a problem saying, Look, if we can use America

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<v Speaker 2>for a time period to create a global order, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is what he says, to extend consumerism, then we

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<v Speaker 2>can shift into the new phase of the technocratic global

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<v Speaker 2>order that doesn't need America and its baggage anymore. We

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<v Speaker 2>can shed that skin.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very interesting. So, you know, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get into comparing his vision to the present day, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, do you think it's possible that some of

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<v Speaker 1>this is happening right now, that we are actually moving

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<v Speaker 1>into that phase or in the future. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what he was arguing in nineteen seventy was

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<v Speaker 2>that the internet consumerism. This is another big point that

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<v Speaker 2>he talks about in between two ages and then into

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<v Speaker 1>Give in the nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>I read a whole bunch of those, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>saying saying that consumerism is key because it is going

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<v Speaker 2>to destroy the traditional ideologies. So you have this idea

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<v Speaker 2>capitalism or communism. And people can't figure out if Brazenski's

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<v Speaker 2>a socialist or a capitalist or he's more of it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a he's a pragmatist, so he's he's interested in

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<v Speaker 2>consumerism destroying existing cultures, and this is what he says. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>then you have an open field for moving these deracinated

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<v Speaker 2>people into something new, which will be the technocratic modus

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<v Speaker 2>operandi of the city state models like you talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's very much in line with with what

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<v Speaker 2>Brazinski would would like to see in the future. So

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<v Speaker 2>the global awakening, Yeah, he's he sees that and he

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<v Speaker 1>So I think absolutely. And so let's look at you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned about the NGOs and the color revolute as a

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<v Speaker 1>to destabilize, to reform. So another so Brazinski. Another character

420
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<v Speaker 1>in right Now who's still alive, roughly the same age

421
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<v Speaker 1>as Brazinski, also from Eastern Europe, coming from some some

422
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<v Speaker 1>similar time, similar time frame point in history, very different

423
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<v Speaker 1>background though in terms of family, and I'm talking about

424
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<v Speaker 1>George Soros so. And they're two interesting characters because they're

425
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<v Speaker 1>both playing they're both playing a role, I think, in

426
00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:35.039
<v Speaker 1>the same sort of direction. They're working in the same direction,

427
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<v Speaker 1>although they do different jobs or they're providing, they're playing

428
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<v Speaker 1>a different role in this story of this world order.

429
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<v Speaker 1>Do you see Brazinski and Soros were they Was there

430
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<v Speaker 1>a symbiotic relationship there in what the two were doing

431
00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:52.559
<v Speaker 1>with their life's work, You know it take a step back,

432
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<v Speaker 1>how do you compare and look at this?

433
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<v Speaker 2>I think that you know, in the character Brazenski, you

434
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<v Speaker 2>have the pear rents at least of a statesman an academic.

435
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<v Speaker 2>Uh and with the character of Soros, you have the

436
00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:13.440
<v Speaker 2>venture speculative capitalist. So in many ways they're they're very different.

437
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<v Speaker 2>But the models of strategy of psychological warfare and the

438
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<v Speaker 2>technology of how you can cause destabilization and control chaos,

439
00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.640
<v Speaker 2>they're absolutely in agreement there. So, you know, they they

440
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.079
<v Speaker 2>have both been part of some of the same steering

441
00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:33.759
<v Speaker 2>committees and uh, these higher level Builderberg type groups that

442
00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:36.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, Bilderberg also has these kind of side groups

443
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:41.240
<v Speaker 2>that they'll create International Crisis Group, which was spearheaded by

444
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<v Speaker 2>I believe Soros.

445
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<v Speaker 1>And Brazenski and Kissinger, and this this was to deal with.

446
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Serbia and how to how to carve up Serbia after

447
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:53.920
<v Speaker 2>the Clinton bombings in the nineties and all that. So

448
00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:58.319
<v Speaker 2>so they definitely have worked together at times. But and

449
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<v Speaker 2>and definitely Brazinski with National Endowment of Democracy USAID model,

450
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.559
<v Speaker 2>that's all perfectly in line with Soros. But it also

451
00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:10.160
<v Speaker 2>reminds me of another thing. That's there's a little bit

452
00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:13.079
<v Speaker 2>of nuance here, because if we look at something like Israel,

453
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<v Speaker 2>Brazenski has not always been a big proponent of Israel.

454
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<v Speaker 2>In fact, he was a supporter of the John Merscheimer

455
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<v Speaker 2>book that was a critic criticism of Apak and Israeli

456
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:31.599
<v Speaker 2>foreign policy, Israeli influence on American foreign policy, so resils.

457
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<v Speaker 2>And again I think that that kind of illustrates the

458
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<v Speaker 2>point I was making earlier about America is that back

459
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<v Speaker 2>in the Cold War period, you know, Brezenski probably saw

460
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<v Speaker 2>Israel as some sort of quote outpost for the defense

461
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.440
<v Speaker 2>of freedom and free market in the Middle East. But

462
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<v Speaker 2>when you read the later Brazinski, he doesn't seem to

463
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<v Speaker 2>have any care or concern for Israel. Because he again

464
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<v Speaker 2>believes in the death of ideology in nation states. So

465
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<v Speaker 2>you know, that doesn't really jibe well with Israeli nationalism

466
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.000
<v Speaker 2>or the lacud or any of that stuff. So a

467
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:05.799
<v Speaker 2>lot of the Israeli right does not. They're not big

468
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:09.680
<v Speaker 2>fans of Brazenski. So in terms of Soros, you know,

469
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:12.000
<v Speaker 2>as far as I understand, I may be wrong about this.

470
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<v Speaker 2>I think Soros is a pretty big patron of Israel.

471
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<v Speaker 1>Is he not? I don't know. That's that's that's actually

472
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<v Speaker 1>unknown because a lot of Israelis think that he's undermining Israel. Yeah, well,

473
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:25.880
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe he is more like Brezenski than I thought.

474
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know. That's kind of a

475
00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:31.920
<v Speaker 1>mystery actually what Soros' views on Israel are. I don't

476
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:33.839
<v Speaker 1>know if there's anybody out there that can enlighten us

477
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:36.480
<v Speaker 1>on that, but I've actually been looking for that for

478
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:39.400
<v Speaker 1>quite some time, and it's not easy to find. Actually,

479
00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:43.400
<v Speaker 1>So he seems to be slightly atheistic in that way.

480
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:48.319
<v Speaker 1>But Soros is is ultimately a strategist, and he's basically

481
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.359
<v Speaker 1>a chess player and a gambler, So I would assume

482
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:54.119
<v Speaker 1>that he's looking at Israel in the way that Braziinski

483
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.720
<v Speaker 1>would as a sort of a tool or a piece

484
00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:00.319
<v Speaker 1>on the grand chessboard that can be moved us store

485
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:04.000
<v Speaker 1>can be useful in some bigger scheme. That's how I

486
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.720
<v Speaker 1>would see the way maybe that Soros looks at everything

487
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>actually not just.

488
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, and it certainly it was Brazenski who again

489
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<v Speaker 2>back in I think March of two thousand and fourteen

490
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.119
<v Speaker 2>or so, somewhere in there. It's actually Bazenski wrote Washington

491
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.319
<v Speaker 2>Post editorial where he was the first to say that

492
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 2>the Hitler was excuse me, that Putin was Hitler. So

493
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:32.599
<v Speaker 2>this was definitely promoted by Soros. So they have a

494
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:35.039
<v Speaker 2>lot of common goals here. And my guess would be

495
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:40.039
<v Speaker 2>that if there's any divergence, then it's of the same

496
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.960
<v Speaker 2>level of the divergence between him and the neocons, which

497
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:45.640
<v Speaker 2>is to say, not very much.

498
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:49.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think there is some bad blood between some

499
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:54.279
<v Speaker 1>Jews and Sorols because of the story that he I

500
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:56.559
<v Speaker 1>think that it was in his book. Actually we spoke

501
00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:59.279
<v Speaker 1>about this earlier in the week. I think he was young.

502
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:01.279
<v Speaker 1>He was a young he was nine ten eleven. I

503
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.400
<v Speaker 1>can't remember working for his uncle under an assumed name

504
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:08.000
<v Speaker 1>so that they not using the Jewish name, and his

505
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:10.720
<v Speaker 1>father had basically put him with his uncle and said, right,

506
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>you look after little George. I forgot what George's old

507
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>name was. But they went around liquidating the property of

508
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:20.799
<v Speaker 1>Jews before they stuck them on box cars. And George

509
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.359
<v Speaker 1>was pretty happy about this in his biography, saying that

510
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:25.680
<v Speaker 1>this was the greatest time of his life and this

511
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:28.839
<v Speaker 1>is really the thing that made him. And so it

512
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:32.039
<v Speaker 1>was kind of very weird and kind of interesting but

513
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>slightly spooky story there from Sorous's past. And he didn't

514
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.279
<v Speaker 1>boast about that. Mike in that recent interview that we

515
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:45.119
<v Speaker 1>featured on the news program, he left that part of

516
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>the story out. But what did he include in that story, Well.

517
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.039
<v Speaker 3>He absolutely said that this was a seminal influence on

518
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:55.440
<v Speaker 3>his life, this period in his life, but he didn't

519
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:59.799
<v Speaker 3>go quite as far as to describe that section of

520
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:00.519
<v Speaker 3>the story.

521
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>He talked about the need for nations to have the

522
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:08.079
<v Speaker 1>right leadership at the right time to avoid catastrophe. I

523
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>think he was talking about Eastern Europe or Nazi Germany,

524
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.599
<v Speaker 1>I guess World War two or Hungary in the Second

525
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:21.039
<v Speaker 1>World War. So definitely shaped hugely shaped by his past,

526
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.400
<v Speaker 1>both Brazinski and source very anti Russian.

527
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Are we allowed to bring in another name here, which

528
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.720
<v Speaker 3>I think is probably under present circumstances important to mention,

529
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<v Speaker 3>and that's Samuel Huntington.

530
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Ah. Yes, Uh, Brazinski's friend.

531
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<v Speaker 3>Brazhinski invited him onto the National Security Consul when he

532
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:44.480
<v Speaker 3>was and of course Huntington also a Trilateral commission. And Jay,

533
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<v Speaker 3>I'm just sort of wondering if we have any idea

534
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:53.160
<v Speaker 3>of what Brazinski's thoughts were, because obviously Huntingdon's seminal work

535
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.559
<v Speaker 3>as a class of civilizations, we seem to be saying

536
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:00.519
<v Speaker 3>that type of doctrine being an active in front of

537
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 3>our eyes. Did Prasinski have any influence on that or

538
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:04.079
<v Speaker 3>do we know?

539
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:06.400
<v Speaker 1>That's a good question.

540
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I know that it was actually Bernard Lewis of the

541
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:12.279
<v Speaker 2>UK who pioneered the idea of clash of civilization and

542
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:18.079
<v Speaker 2>that's who kind of instructed the informed the Huntington approach.

543
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:24.960
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, perfectly, it perfectly lines up because Brazinski says

544
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 2>in many places, all the way back in between two ages,

545
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.440
<v Speaker 2>that that the borders have got to go, the borders

546
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:32.519
<v Speaker 2>have got to go. He's one of the pioneers of

547
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.359
<v Speaker 2>this ideology and white.

548
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.359
<v Speaker 1>Borders, right, yes, nation state borders got to go.

549
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And that's because nation states, just like religious ideologies,

550
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:47.559
<v Speaker 2>are dead now because of the international market order and

551
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 2>consumerism and technology. By the way, tech tech is the

552
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>one of the great forces of mowing down ideology in

553
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Prasinski's mind. So in regard to the clash of civilizations,

554
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:04.799
<v Speaker 2>I think Razinski fits perfectly into that model. That's why

555
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 2>he was so excuse me useful in nineteen seventy nine,

556
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.839
<v Speaker 2>because that is exactly a clash of civilizations, you know,

557
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:17.839
<v Speaker 2>that the Soviet supposed atheist model clashing with these proxy

558
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:19.119
<v Speaker 2>muja hydene forces.

559
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So that and that is still we're still feeling

560
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.240
<v Speaker 1>the after effects of that time.

561
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Today, the or the again the bringing Soros right at

562
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:33.160
<v Speaker 2>the Victoria Newlands, Soros State Department funding of rights sector

563
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:36.960
<v Speaker 2>probably sector in Ukraine. That fits perfectly in line with

564
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not Islamic civilization, but it is a

565
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 2>quote clash of civilizations in a way, because it's a

566
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:48.640
<v Speaker 2>clash of the far right of more or less Hilarian

567
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:55.759
<v Speaker 2>neo Nazi period of Ukraine ramming up against the vestiges

568
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.400
<v Speaker 2>of the Russian Empire, of the Russian sphere of influence.

569
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.079
<v Speaker 1>And so speaking of clash of civilizations. While we're on

570
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the subject, you know, the big talking point right now

571
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>in the UK is there's an avalanche on Twitter after

572
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.359
<v Speaker 1>the London Bridge attacks. I thought I'd just bring this

573
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:19.279
<v Speaker 1>in because it's a topical, but this is this. I mean,

574
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the the anti Muslim rhetoric is off the charts now

575
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>and there's people demanding they're demanding detention, deportation, close the

576
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:33.960
<v Speaker 1>borders and I think by tomorrow probably bombing somewhere in

577
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>the Middle East. So basically this is where Britain is

578
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>at right now. This is just mind you, this is

579
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:45.119
<v Speaker 1>just on the internet, this is on Twitter. But I

580
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:50.079
<v Speaker 1>do feel like these ideas have really taken hold in

581
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the wake of these last three the sort of this

582
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:58.160
<v Speaker 1>trifector of these three terrorist attacks. Westminster which wasn't much

583
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:00.880
<v Speaker 1>of a terrorist attack but it was on the Capitol,

584
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:05.319
<v Speaker 1>and then Manchester which was a very high profile and

585
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:09.280
<v Speaker 1>then last night with London Bridge. So a complete transformation

586
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:13.199
<v Speaker 1>of the mindset. You talk about clash of civilizations, I mean,

587
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.960
<v Speaker 1>like Mike said, where we're watching it, we're seeing it happen.

588
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:17.599
<v Speaker 1>It's just.

589
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.960
<v Speaker 2>If Brazenski is reading his Twitter feed from Hades at

590
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:28.760
<v Speaker 2>this moment. He's elated because he's seeing exactly what he

591
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:32.559
<v Speaker 2>knew would work. And a lot of people are confused

592
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.559
<v Speaker 2>because they're they're going to fall into the false left

593
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.920
<v Speaker 2>right dialectic over this, because they're going to assume ignorantly,

594
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:41.480
<v Speaker 2>of course, that the entire Middle East and all all

595
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:46.639
<v Speaker 2>people of Eurasian persuasion are are in some way radicals,

596
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:50.960
<v Speaker 2>and that they're inimical to the completely now degenerate Western

597
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:55.239
<v Speaker 2>values of Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus.

598
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:57.280
<v Speaker 1>So you know, those those things are.

599
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Just not compatible with the more traditional mind mindset of

600
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:01.719
<v Speaker 2>these other cultures.

601
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:04.400
<v Speaker 1>And so Brazienski knew all this, and he knew again that.

602
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:09.679
<v Speaker 2>When you have the removal of borders and large scale

603
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:13.400
<v Speaker 2>population migration all again. This has been written about by many,

604
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:18.519
<v Speaker 2>many scholars in academia. Kelly Greenhill, what you cause the

605
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:23.480
<v Speaker 2>decivilization You move the peoples into a foreign region. This

606
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:28.079
<v Speaker 2>is a kind of population warfare that causes tensions, and

607
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.519
<v Speaker 2>then you just get some intelligence agencies to exacerbate that

608
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:34.920
<v Speaker 2>with Patsy's and Dukes and morons and you have the

609
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:40.480
<v Speaker 2>exact chemical reaction that you want. You see. It's that.

610
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:44.519
<v Speaker 2>It really is that simple. And Brazinski was a mastermind

611
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:44.760
<v Speaker 2>of that.

612
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>He really was.

613
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.960
<v Speaker 2>He's written about it, he's talked about it for decades.

614
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.599
<v Speaker 2>That you can do this. It's a strategy. It's not

615
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:54.760
<v Speaker 2>a conspiracy theory. So people who really want to try

616
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:56.840
<v Speaker 2>to understand what's going on, I think you have to

617
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.639
<v Speaker 2>see that bigger picture, and you can see it in

618
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Brazil's writings.

619
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:03.320
<v Speaker 1>And what would be the bye, what would be the

620
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 1>byproduct of that, the sort of desired effect from let's

621
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:11.840
<v Speaker 1>say the globalist or Brazinski point of view. After you've

622
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:16.119
<v Speaker 1>moved the populations, after you've exacerbated it, then what's next

623
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>is it? Is it a lockdown of society with a

624
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:23.199
<v Speaker 1>technocracy and then more Oceania wars overseas?

625
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 2>What's next? Yeah, it's a whole bunch of things. It's

626
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:30.239
<v Speaker 2>very useful. So one thing it does is that it

627
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:35.519
<v Speaker 2>actually causes people to view humans as the problem.

628
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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And this may sound a little far fetched, but I

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<v Speaker 2>assure you that this is written of in white papers.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll talk about how the more that you can move

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<v Speaker 2>people into mass cosmopolitan areas and exacerbate those tensions. This

633
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<v Speaker 2>actually promotes the idea of the need for depopulation, uh,

634
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<v Speaker 2>and the only way that you can get that depopulation

635
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<v Speaker 2>is through bureaucracy and manage your all control. There was

636
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<v Speaker 2>a very telling video that one of the UK think

637
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<v Speaker 2>tanks put out called Plannedopolis, and in that Plannedopolis video,

638
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<v Speaker 2>they're projecting the UK's day to day life, you know,

639
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<v Speaker 2>in twenty thirty or twenty fifty or something like that,

640
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<v Speaker 2>and it's a completely controlled, gentrified, smart city city states

641
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<v Speaker 2>situation where everything where there's carbon taxes. By the way,

642
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<v Speaker 2>Brazenski pioneered the carbon tax, all of that was out

643
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>laid out in Brezenski's model of how you can exacerbate

644
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<v Speaker 2>these tensions.

645
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<v Speaker 1>So it leads to.

646
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<v Speaker 2>That bureaucratic womb to tomb government surveillance and control of

647
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<v Speaker 2>your life. Brezenski mentioned that too in between two ages.

648
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<v Speaker 2>He says that lifelong, continual education from womb to tomb

649
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:58.239
<v Speaker 2>would be one of the keys for the future generations

650
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<v Speaker 2>to be merged into the tech inocracy.

651
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<v Speaker 1>So that's exactly how you do this.

652
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<v Speaker 2>It's all yes, you're absolutely spot on, that's how that's

653
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<v Speaker 2>how you get to the end goal.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's interesting you said that humanity is the problem,

655
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<v Speaker 1>and Jay and Mike, So I was, I was watching

656
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<v Speaker 1>the twitter storm hashtag London Bridge all last night. I

657
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 1>probably went to bed about three, but I was. So

658
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<v Speaker 1>I saw one tweet by a young British girl and

659
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<v Speaker 1>this is what Jay, you just reminded me of this

660
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<v Speaker 1>when you said humanity is the problem getting people to

661
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<v Speaker 1>buy into this idea. This is her tweet here she said,

662
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<v Speaker 1>I hate this planet? Why are people still killing each other?

663
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<v Speaker 1>You see? So if you're able to sort of control this, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>these events and this narrative, this is the bit. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the reaction you're gonna elicit from general population. I

666
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<v Speaker 1>mean literally desperation, despondency, you know, despondency underlined by desperation

667
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<v Speaker 1>gets you to that place, Jay, which you just talked about.

668
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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like it's like the priming of the population

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<v Speaker 1>to then from that point on you pretty much people

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<v Speaker 1>will accept any really form of technocratic management, suggestion or control.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the trauma and in fact, this is why I

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<v Speaker 2>think you could probably link Razinski's between two ages too.

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<v Speaker 2>My control is that there really was research done on

674
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<v Speaker 2>trauma based PTSD for example, that was actually pioneered out

675
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<v Speaker 2>of Tavistock Institute in the UK, and Tavistock was a

676
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<v Speaker 2>partner to the us MK ulture Plan. So when they

677
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<v Speaker 2>were studying shell shock and PTSD in British soldiers, they

678
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<v Speaker 2>realized that what would happen to people who had undergone

679
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<v Speaker 2>these kinds of traumas is that they would be much

680
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<v Speaker 2>more suggestible because trauma puts you into a catatonic state.

681
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<v Speaker 1>And so I think Brazenski is well aware of all that, and.

682
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<v Speaker 2>He knows that the when you exacerbate these ten and

683
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<v Speaker 2>cause destabilization, the public is more or less put in

684
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<v Speaker 2>that traumatized, catatonic type state, and they will just go

685
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<v Speaker 2>with whatever their leaders, who grant stand say. So I think,

686
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<v Speaker 2>as Basil was pointing out the other day on Boiler Room,

687
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it makes perfect sense that this is part

688
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<v Speaker 2>of uh you know, the this is during the UK

689
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<v Speaker 2>election season. Uh you know, I think that's a big hint, hint,

690
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<v Speaker 2>that's a big indicator.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why I said that. I actually said that

692
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<v Speaker 1>on the news last night. I said maybe the terrorist

693
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<v Speaker 1>attacks will will stop after the general election exactly with

694
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<v Speaker 1>a wink in or no. But I mean, Mike, do

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<v Speaker 1>you have any comment on this?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I was just thinking as Jay was speaking there

697
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<v Speaker 3>that that's quite a number of these ideas. Jay's expressing

698
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<v Speaker 3>of Prashinski's echo a little bit with uh with some

699
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<v Speaker 3>bresh and Russell's as well. So definitely, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>whether Russell was a direct influence, but but it seems

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<v Speaker 3>like it could well have been the kiss.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did want to say, I think when I

703
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<v Speaker 2>was describing how you characterize Brazinski, he's he's like bertrand

704
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<v Speaker 2>Russell meets h. G. Wells without any of the fun.

705
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<v Speaker 2>So absolutely, yeah, you're spot on.

706
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<v Speaker 3>Did he have anything to say about the role of

707
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<v Speaker 3>the media in all this?

708
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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Absolutely yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, in between two ages, it's mass communication that

710
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<v Speaker 2>is going to be the key to.

711
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<v Speaker 1>Bringing in the global order.

712
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<v Speaker 2>And so in other words, when he's writing about the Internet,

713
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<v Speaker 2>that is, for in his mind back then, part of

714
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<v Speaker 2>mass communication. They knew back in nineteen seventy that the

715
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<v Speaker 2>Internet would be kind of the replacement for CBS, NBC

716
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:51.440
<v Speaker 2>and all that classical satellite and TV cable stuff would

717
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<v Speaker 2>be replaced by the net quote unquote, as he calls it,

718
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I would also mention too. You see you

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<v Speaker 2>said Bertian Russell Russell was part of working with the

720
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<v Speaker 2>Macy Group and the Rockefeller Foundation for helping to import

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<v Speaker 2>the Frankfurt School ideology and formulate the culture creation process.

722
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<v Speaker 2>That again, the Rockfeller Foundation and the all their patronage

723
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<v Speaker 2>of the so called arts, the National Damot for the

724
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<v Speaker 2>Arts and all that, that was all a CIA slash

725
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<v Speaker 2>frank for School slash Bertrand Russell Rockefeller operation, and that's

726
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<v Speaker 2>all declassified and know now written even in mainstream news.

727
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<v Speaker 1>Foreign Affairs has written about it.

728
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<v Speaker 2>So you're absolutely right to connect Bertrand Russell to this

729
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<v Speaker 2>because he's kind of along with H. G. Wells that

730
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<v Speaker 2>the forefathers of technocracy and this is an older You

731
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<v Speaker 2>can even go back to people like Saint Simon and

732
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:54.960
<v Speaker 2>August Coompte who would write about technocracy. Saint just you

733
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<v Speaker 2>know that these guys are very influential on the Zeitgeist

734
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<v Speaker 2>ideology and all that. That's perfectly in line with Brazinski,

735
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<v Speaker 2>there's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some spectacular quotes by Bertrand Russell. I used to

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<v Speaker 1>have one on your website that was there and sort

738
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<v Speaker 1>of placed prominently for a couple of years, but kind

739
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<v Speaker 1>of frightening in the sort of accuracy of it describing

740
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<v Speaker 1>today's world. I thought it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean the one Russell book which Stanza is

742
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<v Speaker 3>The Impact of Science and Society, which seems to tell

743
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<v Speaker 3>exactly with what Jay's describing.

744
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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.

745
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he wrote a couple of books that were specifically

746
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<v Speaker 2>treating of the of the technocracy, and of.

747
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Course he would always try to write it under the

748
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<v Speaker 1>veneer of being liberal.

749
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<v Speaker 2>But you know, at the same time, like fork tongue,

750
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.480
<v Speaker 2>he's speaking out the other side of his mouth, adhering

751
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:52.119
<v Speaker 2>to all these policies as the only way to save humanity.

752
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:54.320
<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly what Brazenski would do. You know, he

753
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<v Speaker 2>has the liberal cover. That's why you see him in

754
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<v Speaker 2>the Carter and the Obama administrations. Then he's also working

755
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:06.320
<v Speaker 2>in various Bush task forces, uh and talking about that.

756
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.239
<v Speaker 2>He's at times of warhawk. So again, much like a

757
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Kissinger or a Macky Valley, he's he's beyond the left

758
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:18.000
<v Speaker 2>right divide and he's the liberal cover is a completely

759
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<v Speaker 2>a cloak.

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<v Speaker 1>Final thoughts here, so we're going into I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, coming into what six months, uh soon into

762
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<v Speaker 1>the first six months of this president's administration, President Trump

763
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<v Speaker 1>uh in America. And so you know, how do you

764
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<v Speaker 1>see this administration uh gelling in terms of its place

765
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<v Speaker 1>in history within the context of what's going on? Trump

766
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<v Speaker 1>is a president. You know, who are there's who are

767
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 1>the Brazinskis of the Trump administration? Who are the Kissingers

768
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:54.920
<v Speaker 1>or his Kissinger still advising? He's still influential on geopolitics?

769
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<v Speaker 1>How are you looking at this scene as it unfolds

770
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<v Speaker 1>right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Jay, Well, if I recall, yeah, I think what didn't

772
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<v Speaker 2>Trump early on say Kissinger would be an advisor? Yeah,

773
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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming that's still still the norm. But that's that's

774
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<v Speaker 2>a that is a great question. Who who's actually going

775
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<v Speaker 2>to take over to be a brain? I think that's

776
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:18.039
<v Speaker 2>probably why Builderberg has been, you know, really trying to

777
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<v Speaker 2>shift over into the text stuff in the last three

778
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<v Speaker 2>or four years.

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00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:27.480
<v Speaker 1>That's frightening, That's that's it's scary, Jay, because if if

780
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<v Speaker 1>what you say is true there, it means that we

781
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<v Speaker 1>are moving into full blown technocracy, whether Peter Thiels of

782
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:37.639
<v Speaker 1>the world, the Eric Schmidtz that's that's who's going to

783
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.360
<v Speaker 1>take over. Yeah, So it's no longer that. So people

784
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:43.280
<v Speaker 1>will sort of say, well, Brazinski's about as devilish as

785
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.039
<v Speaker 1>it gets, but actually he's it's You've still got a

786
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:49.320
<v Speaker 1>human doing the thinking, you know, as devilish as he is.

787
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.239
<v Speaker 1>You know that's the devil. We know what is this with?

788
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:56.239
<v Speaker 1>You know this we're going into full blown technocracy mode.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look maybe at how bi as Builderberg is

790
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<v Speaker 1>a kind of age I guess of you know where

791
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<v Speaker 1>there where the center of gravity is? Has it moved?

792
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Are we are? We sounds like we're moving into technocracy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're absolutely right. It's going to be people

794
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<v Speaker 1>like Eric Schmidt.

795
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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be people like Rigina Dugan uh formerly

796
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<v Speaker 2>of DARPA now Google uh, Cast Sunstein, Google NSA.

797
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:25.519
<v Speaker 1>Uh you know maybe uh that's who it is. You're

798
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:29.639
<v Speaker 1>absolutely right. I think that's that's frightening. Actually, especially the

799
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<v Speaker 1>DARPA gal is she the one that did that thing

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<v Speaker 1>on wearables beast tech.

801
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<v Speaker 2>She's talking Yah, she's all kinds of just kind of

802
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<v Speaker 2>mind boggling talks. I've watched her ted talks and all

803
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:44.159
<v Speaker 2>that stuff, and she's yeah, full blown transhumanism there.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Well we got a lot to a lot to

805
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:50.400
<v Speaker 1>look forward to or not or a lot to to

806
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<v Speaker 1>to be fighting I think in the future hopefully, uh,

807
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 1>to retain some of our humanity. But uh, if the technocracy,

808
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the technocrats could have their way. It's so funny because

809
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.079
<v Speaker 1>the technocracy was way ahead of its time. I mean,

810
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<v Speaker 1>they had this thing, they launched this thing in the

811
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:10.760
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty right right exactly. The technology wasn't there, you know,

812
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<v Speaker 1>but and it was sort of pooh pooh because it

813
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<v Speaker 1>got associated with the Nazis a little bit in mainstream

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<v Speaker 1>Western culture right after. It kind of dampened after the

815
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<v Speaker 1>after the World War Two. But now if it were

816
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<v Speaker 1>to re emerge today, Jay, would it would it have

817
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<v Speaker 1>the appeal? What could it find a congregation as it were? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're definitely pushing for that.

819
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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's part of Hollywood's role is to push

820
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<v Speaker 2>transhumanism through all these big blockbuster sci fi movies and

821
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<v Speaker 2>Marvel movies.

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<v Speaker 1>So, you know, I think they wanted they want to

823
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<v Speaker 1>go for that.

824
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<v Speaker 2>But uh, you know, even Brazinski seemed a little bit

825
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<v Speaker 2>skeptical as to whether or not you could convince all

826
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<v Speaker 2>the people of some kind of tech religion.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he didn't.

828
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<v Speaker 2>He himself seemed to be in search of a replacement ideology.

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<v Speaker 2>While admitting ideology was dead. He would he would make

830
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<v Speaker 2>comments like that, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Ancient, I don't know, aliens, Jay, ancient Aliens.

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<v Speaker 2>That fits perfectly and with scientism and transhumanism absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike and I were talking about this the other night.

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<v Speaker 1>We were saying that, like if you if you flip

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<v Speaker 1>through the cable channels, there's like ten all the history channels.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything from pretty much nine p m Till till four am,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all ancient Aliens. It's just there's so much pro

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<v Speaker 1>everything goes. Even even any history program you start watching

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<v Speaker 1>it and they sort of bait you in with some

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<v Speaker 1>Egyptology and by the end of the thing they're at

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<v Speaker 1>ancient Aliens. Basically, it's like everywhere this this might be

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<v Speaker 1>the new replacement religion.

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<v Speaker 2>Jen, I wouldn't be surprised. There's all kinds of studies

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<v Speaker 2>and test communities and and things that that they'll put

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<v Speaker 2>out there to kind of see, you know, test audience

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that to see where they can go

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<v Speaker 2>with that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm actually gonna have to run, But thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for having me on. Patrick Now, it's been great. Jay Dyer,

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<v Speaker 1>author of Jay's Analysis and Sorry, author Vestera Hollywood and

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<v Speaker 1>founder and editor of Jay's Analysis. Dot com is links

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<v Speaker 1>on the show page right now. Thank you so much, Jay,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, take care in your travels and good luck

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<v Speaker 1>with your work. Thank you also to Mark Anderson from

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<v Speaker 1>our segment down there in Santilly, Virginia with Bilderberg, and

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<v Speaker 1>also the Reverend Andrew Ashdown. Three fantastic guests, and thank

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<v Speaker 1>you my co host in studio here, Mike Robinson, editor

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<v Speaker 1>of the UK column. Thank you again, Mike,