1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Berg and the recent passing of two heavyweights and when 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:09,759 I say super heavyweights, actually David Rockefeller and a Big 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,599 New Brazinski. And our next guest is an author. He's 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,359 also the founder of Jay'sanalysis dot com but also the 5 00:00:17,399 --> 00:00:22,000 author of the recent release the book is called Esoteric Hollywood. 6 00:00:22,399 --> 00:00:25,839 And Jay is also a regular on Alternate Current Radio's 7 00:00:25,879 --> 00:00:30,399 Boiler Room, which broadcast live every Thursday on ACR, hosted 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,920 by the One the Only Hesher also hosted the Hessian Session. 9 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:39,759 And Jay Dyer is going to help us hopefully navigate 10 00:00:39,759 --> 00:00:43,960 a little bit through what was the Big New Brazinski 11 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:47,240 all about. He is definitely one of the most influential 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,920 geopolitical thinkers I think of the last hundred years, but 13 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:54,600 his work also follows on from other people before him. 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,399 But welcome to the Sunday Wire, Jay, Great to have 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:57,960 you back. 16 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:01,799 Speaker 2: Thanks Patrick. I'm glad to be back. It's been probably 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,920 six or eight months since I was last on. And yeah, 18 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,920 we've seen the passing away of two, you know, within 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,200 the span of what a couple of months, both a 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:12,599 Rockfeller and Brazenski. 21 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: And that's very interesting. David. I didn't think David was 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,239 going to die started to interrupt. 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, how many hearts is supposedly he had I 24 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,319 don't know if that's a true story or no, but 25 00:01:22,439 --> 00:01:25,920 he had a state of the art trauma or heart 26 00:01:26,239 --> 00:01:29,319 sort of hospital thing bolted to his house with full 27 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:30,879 time medical staff. 28 00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:33,439 Speaker 1: And well, it's. 29 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: It's fitting because Brazanski, of course is a kind of 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,120 a protege of David Rockefeller, and there's a lot of 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,239 quotes where he spoke of. 32 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: Him in that way. 33 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,439 Speaker 2: So so you kind of have this passing of the 34 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,359 torch and then they're now both dead. So you know, 35 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:51,439 it's fitting as well that Bilderberg is going on because 36 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,280 they're both obviously intimately tied into Bilderberg. 37 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,079 Speaker 1: And you know, Brazinski h really came on the scene 38 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:02,920 in a big way as Jimmy Carter's national security advisor 39 00:02:03,159 --> 00:02:06,280 at a really pivotal time in history as well, in 40 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:10,159 the late nineteen seventies and mid nineteen seventies nineteen seventy 41 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:13,759 six actually, but a lot was going on there. Brazinski 42 00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:18,520 has been credited with many things, Jay, not least of 43 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,719 all the creation of al Qaeda or helping with that process, 44 00:02:22,759 --> 00:02:25,479 but also at a time when you know, a pivotal 45 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,319 time in US Soviet relations as well. And this is 46 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,840 really coming to the latter stages of the Cold War, 47 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,479 and so just walk us through. You know, why is 48 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:38,599 Brazinski so important? Why was he so influential. We'll talk 49 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:41,000 about his books in a minute, but you know what 50 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:46,039 was it about? Why was Brazinski holding this sort of 51 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,400 grand plan and why others were not as influential. Why 52 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:51,520 was he so special? 53 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: Well, it's partly because of his experience growing up. The 54 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,520 story at least is that because of Soviet occupation and Poland, 55 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,560 and because of his noble Polish descent, you know, the 56 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:09,159 family had to flee and they landed in Canada and 57 00:03:09,199 --> 00:03:11,719 it's from there that Brazienski kind of rose into the 58 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,319 ranks of academia and the academic establishment. And then he 59 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,879 would go to McGill University, which is very interesting because 60 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,919 McGill is a very well connected deep state school. You 61 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,240 could say, because anyone who's done a lot of research 62 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,199 on the what's public in regard to the mk ulture program, 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,759 McGill was central to that. Many of the studies were 64 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,080 actually done there, as well as dozens of other universities. 65 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,919 And the reason I bring that up is not to 66 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,080 be over the conspiratorial but rather, if you know what 67 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:47,840 in culture was really about, not so much you know, 68 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,199 creating a mind control assassin, but rather social engineering. I 69 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,599 think that really informs his first nineteen seventy book, which 70 00:03:55,639 --> 00:03:59,360 is you know, between two Ages, and it's in between 71 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,159 two ages where you have the presentation of a lot 72 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:08,919 of futurism, technocratic managerial control, and this is what. 73 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: Would catch the eye of David Rockefeller. 74 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:14,479 Speaker 2: Many writers who've written on this have discussed that that 75 00:04:14,599 --> 00:04:19,079 it was really the book that impressed David Rockefeller, that 76 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:24,000 kind of got him recruited into, you know, the NGO complex, 77 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:27,480 And really, in many ways, Brazinski is kind of the godfather. 78 00:04:28,759 --> 00:04:31,319 I think you posted an article showing him as a 79 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:34,439 machiavellian character behind the Prince. I think that's very accurate. 80 00:04:34,439 --> 00:04:38,279 He's really the father of this whole NGO smart complex, 81 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:43,040 soft power approach and technology that we're seeing played out 82 00:04:43,399 --> 00:04:46,000 not only in Syria, but also in the last several 83 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,920 conflicts of the last few decades. Back to as you 84 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:52,319 mentioned nineteen seventy nine with Afghanistan and so. 85 00:04:52,879 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: David Rocke you talked about the synergy between Rockefeller in 86 00:04:57,079 --> 00:04:59,879 Brazinski and how the book Between Two Ages by his 87 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,480 big new Brazinski, why that would have caught the eye 88 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,480 of David Rockefeller. And is it because underlying the sort 89 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,959 of the un idea, the one child policy in China, 90 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,639 population control, Underneath all this is the need for some 91 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:18,839 kind of technocratic expertise. And is this what Rockefeller saw 92 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,600 in Between Two Ages? Or because this book is yes, 93 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,879 it's kind of foreshadowing a lot of stuff that actually 94 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,959 has come to fruition. Yeah, I say it's the book 95 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:30,120 is like HG. 96 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: Wells meets Carol Quiggly meets Bertrand Russell, and you can 97 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:40,879 throw out all of the friendly veneer of Carol Quigglely 98 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,600 with his pseudo Catholic approach. This is just the hardcore 99 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:51,319 technocratic skeletal remains of what you find in Quiggley, with 100 00:05:51,399 --> 00:05:54,360 all the excess baggage shed and it's just straight into 101 00:05:54,399 --> 00:05:56,480 the point. And I think that was part of the 102 00:05:56,519 --> 00:06:01,279 reason that David Rockefeller was prompted to actually call a 103 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,000 Kissinger and he said, you know, I've got a guy 104 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,040 that I want to set up as the chairman of 105 00:06:07,079 --> 00:06:09,480 a new entity that will kind of, in a way 106 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,759 supersede the CFR, and so this is kind of a 107 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:17,079 SUPERDFR if you will, which is Collateral Commission. It was 108 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,279 founded by Rockefeller and featured Brazinski as its first head 109 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:25,000 in nineteen seventy two slash three. 110 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: And so so the Trilateral Commission Commission hugely influential, especially 111 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:34,800 on the Pacific RIM as well with the emerging China. 112 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,040 But also if you know the TAP, the transpecific partnership, 113 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:40,920 A lot of people believe that's the life's work of 114 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:46,279 the of the Trilatle Commission. So what other work was 115 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:47,399 involved in? 116 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very important, I think to understand all of 117 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,160 what I mean, there's so much that's in between two 118 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:57,920 ages that that it really it's really difficult to boil down. 119 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,519 But I mean, he talks about the death of ideology, 120 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,480 and along with the DA he lists three things. 121 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: Basically, you have. 122 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:10,279 Speaker 2: The death of ideology, you have the death of religion, 123 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:15,759 you have the death of nationalism. And so these forces 124 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:22,439 have been replaced by consumerism and the international liberal market order. 125 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,439 Speaker 1: But Brasinski is not really. 126 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: He doesn't buy into anything like a capitalist socialist dialectic. 127 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:30,959 Speaker 1: He thinks that you. 128 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:33,519 Speaker 2: Know, all of those ideologies are again part of that 129 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:37,439 section of things that have gone the old way, their dinosaurs, 130 00:07:37,439 --> 00:07:37,879 they're dead. 131 00:07:37,959 --> 00:07:38,959 Speaker 1: We're moving into. 132 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:42,759 Speaker 2: A new age, where the hints the title between two ages. 133 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,800 The new age that we're moving into will be one 134 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,120 that will have to be dominated by some superpower. And 135 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,519 at that time when he was writing that in nineteen seventy, 136 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:56,000 of course, it was the United States, and he was 137 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:58,759 arguing that, you know that the Soviet Union could not 138 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:01,560 be in any way allowed to have supremacy. You know, 139 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,600 he has that virulent anti Russian stance going all the 140 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,560 way back to his childhood. And so that's really the 141 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:10,759 amazing foresight in that book is that he kind of 142 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,800 foresaw the dismantling of the so Union. 143 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: He also laid out many of the plans and. 144 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: Strategies to as to how to do that, and that 145 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:21,959 would come to fruition, you know, in the nineteen ninety 146 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,360 seven book Grand Chess Board. But again, what's so crucial 147 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:30,319 is not just the consumerism, not just the the rejecting 148 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:36,279 of any ideology or religion, but the explicit statements of 149 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,759 all of the techniques of technocracy, managerial control by bureaucrats, 150 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:46,960 moving this into a global sphere, dismantling the older ideas 151 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,679 of nation state and religion, and that you could literally 152 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:55,600 control the population, you could literally control mass communications, and 153 00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:59,519 even beyond that into the spheres of you know, exotic 154 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:05,960 weapons with weather modification, electromagnetic pulse control through towers that 155 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,480 would actually target whole continents. I mean, you know, he's 156 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:14,440 really he's really the source for why so many people 157 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,960 who are derided as conspiracy theorists have a legitimate, i 158 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,679 think argument as to why weather modification and geoengineering and 159 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,000 all this stuff is very real. So, you know, when 160 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,000 we hear all this stuff about climate change, you know, 161 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,679 how come nobody ever brings up the fact that Brazinski 162 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:34,480 said that weather modification could be used for this kind 163 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,879 of stuff, you know what I mean, Yeah. 164 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: That's amazing that when this book was written, you know, 165 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:43,639 theoretically anyway, maybe this technology, some of the technology was around, 166 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,320 but it was way way before some of the trends 167 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:48,960 had sort of become clear. 168 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: To give you one example, he even says that through 169 00:09:54,279 --> 00:09:56,519 the net, and he's writing this again in nineteen seventy 170 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,240 the internet. He says that in the future, people will 171 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:03,639 be taking their university classes on the net, so that's 172 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,360 how that's how far ahead he was. Yeah, so I mean, 173 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:08,639 based on this, Jay Is, I'm what I'm the point 174 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,720 I was trying to make to some people a few 175 00:10:10,759 --> 00:10:14,919 weeks ago after we posted the obituary of Brazinski, I said, 176 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,960 you know, judgments aside, this is my exact words, judgments aside. 177 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,399 This is one of the most influential thinkers of the 178 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,759 last hundred years. And do you think that's a fair assessment. 179 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,799 I would say so, because he's he's one of these 180 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,919 A lot of people characterize him as the brains. You know, 181 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,200 you have the bankers, and then maybe the bloods, the 182 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,080 old money and then but they're not always necessarily engaged 183 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,039 in strategies and psychological warfare. You need guys who are 184 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:43,320 the brains to do that. And so you know, you 185 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,120 have the Kissingers, you have the Brazenskis, you have the Quigglies. 186 00:10:47,159 --> 00:10:50,759 Speaker 1: You know, these are the brains. So absolutely, and so 187 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,240 following on from that, one of his big seller's best 188 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,799 sellers after that was The Grand Chess Board. And so 189 00:10:57,919 --> 00:11:02,080 now we're getting into sort of real politic geopolitical style, 190 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:06,759 and so a lot of his theories he's built on 191 00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:10,399 top of the halfred mckinder. Uh. You know, world island, 192 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,000 the heartland theory. You know, whoever, whoever can capture that 193 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,360 that precious patch of land known as the Eurasian land bridge, 194 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:25,480 you know around Georgia, Ukraine, Crimea and the steps of 195 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:28,039 the urals there, that is the basically the person who's 196 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,519 going to basically rule the world. And that's kind of 197 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:34,039 been true in the last few hundred years. So many 198 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,159 countries have fought, you know, to win or to occupy 199 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,480 that old Silk road route or that Eurasian piece of 200 00:11:42,039 --> 00:11:46,480 midpoint between Europe and Asia as or and so is 201 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,279 this I know, this has dominated geopolitical thought and strategy 202 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:53,600 for pretty much the whole twentieth century and still even 203 00:11:53,759 --> 00:11:57,279 you could argue into the twenty first century. Uh, but 204 00:11:57,799 --> 00:12:01,559 did Brazilski or anybody see that is becoming secondary in 205 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,559 the future. In other words, maybe technology or fast air 206 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,759 travel or something might eclipse the need to basically rule 207 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:12,960 that area in order to rule the world. Absolutely. 208 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: You know, this is, as he calls it, the geopolitical 209 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:20,159 pivot in that region, he argues, because of its resources, 210 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,960 because of its minerals, because of its population. You know, 211 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,480 seventy five percent of the population is in the Eurasian 212 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,759 land mass. All of this, Brazilski argues just flat out, 213 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:32,720 by the way, it's not a conspiracy theory. He just 214 00:12:32,759 --> 00:12:36,440 specifically says this is in nineteen ninety seven at least 215 00:12:36,519 --> 00:12:40,480 crucial for the Anglo American establishment to control. 216 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,879 Speaker 1: To maintain American hegemony. 217 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,639 Speaker 2: And what's amazing also is that he says that if 218 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,240 the Western Empire, and he uses the terms of imperialism, 219 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:52,480 he says that if they don't control these vassals, and 220 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,639 if they don't actually cause the destabilization in a lot 221 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,240 of the former Soviet satellites, then the world will fall 222 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:05,080 into anarchy. So in other words, if I don't cause anarchy, 223 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,919 the world will fall into anarchy. 224 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: Uh. 225 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: It's very again machiavellian. And that's why Brazinski, from the 226 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,039 first book all the way to his last book, Strategic Vision, 227 00:13:14,759 --> 00:13:18,960 was consistently talking about Manichean dialectics, and he's always saying that, yes, 228 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,120 you've got to control both sides of the conflict. 229 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: He says, the internationalists. 230 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: Will always have the upper hand, precise said, because they're 231 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,720 not caught up in ideology or left right or you know, 232 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:33,480 good guy, bad guy there there, they supersede that, and 233 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:37,159 so they're able to kind of say above the fray 234 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:39,879 and therefore manage it. So he's kind of the father 235 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:45,320 of the modern hybrid warfare, you know, approach to managing 236 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,320 controlled chaos, And that's actually what he wrote as well 237 00:13:49,399 --> 00:13:53,519 in between two ages. It also mentions the possibilities of 238 00:13:53,960 --> 00:14:00,919 exploiting religious, social class differences and tensions in any specific 239 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,159 region to exacerbate a political revolution or a coup or 240 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:06,799 a replacing head of state. 241 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: All of that, you know, is laid out very clear 242 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:12,279 in the old old work, and then. 243 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,279 Speaker 2: In the nineteen ninety seven book it's kind of just 244 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,440 an updated approach to really setting the stage. 245 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: For the war on terror. 246 00:14:19,399 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: You know, he mentioned some of the same phraseology of 247 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,840 the Project for an American Century, where he talks about, 248 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,720 you know, a new pearl harbor could give the impression 249 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:35,039 of the great external threat, and then that great external 250 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,840 threat could of course always be a justification for any 251 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:41,159 kind of foreign policy ventures or domestic surveillance. You know. 252 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:45,080 He again, Brazenski is really the brainchild of a lot 253 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,240 of the practice of how the US is operated, not 254 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:54,360 just since you know, the sixties and Carter and Trilateral Commission, 255 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:56,679 but also since the nine eleven in the War on Terror. 256 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,279 So I think Brazenski was a big thinker in sort 257 00:15:00,279 --> 00:15:05,039 of formulating where the US would go further into this 258 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,279 and mindless, you know, expansionist perspective. 259 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,159 Speaker 1: So I can imagine him in the situation room, you know, 260 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,840 with any of these presidents basically saying He's telling them, look, 261 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:19,000 it's going it's going to blow eventually, so we're going 262 00:15:19,039 --> 00:15:20,960 to make it blow, and this is how we're going 263 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,399 to manage the fallout, and this is how we're going 264 00:15:23,399 --> 00:15:26,120 to benefit from that on the back end, you know, 265 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:29,879 just a full solution from beginning to end. You know, 266 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,159 we're going to light the match, we're going to burn it, 267 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,120 and then we're going to put out the fire, and 268 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,480 then we're going to rebuild. I could see, I could 269 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,279 see where his sort of strategy. This guy, I mean, 270 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,080 if you look at him compared to other National Security advisors, 271 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:46,120 Jay who I don't know much about, but I do know, 272 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:48,320 like Susan Rice, for instance, and I look at the 273 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,600 stuff that Brazinsky was putting out forty years ago, and 274 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:55,720 I'm like, this guy is very hardcore, quite an IQ 275 00:15:55,919 --> 00:16:00,840 deferential between Brazenski and these characters. I'm not saying that 276 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:03,879 Brezenski was a virtuous man, but more so on the 277 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,159 cunning Machiavelian side. But definitely a great iq disparity there 278 00:16:09,159 --> 00:16:10,960 between these these. 279 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,679 Speaker 2: Present day clowns. But you know, again to look at 280 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,559 an example of this, this fore planning foresight. You know, 281 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:22,240 in the Grand Chessboard, he talks about how Ukraine is 282 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,399 crucial to Russia. Fifty two million people he's running in 283 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,799 nineteen ninety seven, a lot of economic and power and 284 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,039 resource there, and Brazenski says that the US will have 285 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:40,159 to remove Ukraine from the sphere of Russia. So in 286 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:43,919 nineteen ninety seven, Brazenski is telegraphing to you what would 287 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,080 happen in twenty fourteen. 288 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,039 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Mike, this reminds me of like he was maybe 289 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:50,879 he was trained by the British or something. Where do 290 00:16:50,919 --> 00:16:53,960 you get this, where do you get this Machiavelian mindset from? 291 00:16:54,039 --> 00:16:59,039 It's extraordinary though the track record from the nineteen six. 292 00:16:58,919 --> 00:17:01,919 Speaker 2: He's also the father of Putin as Hitler, which is 293 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,039 not brought up very often, but that meme really comes 294 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:05,880 from Brazinski. 295 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 3: Jay just uh you talk about his foresight and so on, 296 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:17,640 and and his UH his concerns about Soviet influence in 297 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,240 the world and so on. But he while he was 298 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,759 in office, of course, he he helped normalize RELATIONSHSIP with China, 299 00:17:23,799 --> 00:17:27,799 and then later on he UH broke relations with China 300 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,759 over Taiwan and so on. So but what what did 301 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:32,680 he have to say about chain Did he foresee what 302 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,400 they influenced that China was eventually going to have in 303 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:35,759 the world. 304 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's interesting because the older Brazinski back during 305 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,599 the Cold War would write about China and Russia as threats, 306 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:48,880 and then as you move up into the nineties, he 307 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,039 warms up to China and again, you know, the main 308 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,839 force in Grand Chess board, that is the concern, is 309 00:17:58,279 --> 00:18:02,319 what Patrick said, the perennial concern of the British Empire Russia, 310 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,160 you know, the the eternal enemy. But then by the 311 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,319 time of Strategic Vision, which was also written right around 312 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,000 the twenty thirteen or fourteen, right around the time actually 313 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:18,160 of the the Ukraine situation, he begins to actually warm 314 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,319 up to both and he's and he says, we can 315 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:24,799 move into an international order where we can actually work 316 00:18:24,839 --> 00:18:29,039 with China but Russia is still the main concern. So 317 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,440 I don't know in particular about the situation with Taiwan 318 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,680 as to whether that really was a big deal with 319 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,640 with Brazenski, because I think he's more of a long 320 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:42,680 term strategist. He's mainly concerned with the end goal, which 321 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,680 is how are we going to get to the international order. 322 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,039 I mean, this pretty much dominates all the books. It's 323 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,079 We've got to get the international order. This is one 324 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,039 of the reasons why Brazenski has a kind of pseudo 325 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,359 critic of the neocons and Bush is that that after 326 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,240 the big terror events, they he says, they don't to 327 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,200 the the international order the way it should be done. 328 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:08,079 They rely on this sort of you know, American imperial 329 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,079 model when it really needs to shift into into more 330 00:19:11,079 --> 00:19:12,359 of the United Nations model. 331 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: So by strategic. 332 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,599 Speaker 2: Vision, he's arguing that we really need to, you know, 333 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,920 look past any of these kind of older divides of 334 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:29,359 Russia or Russian nationalism or any kind of nationalism. It's 335 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,720 it's just time to move past that and create the 336 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:33,559 international order. 337 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,039 Speaker 1: And with some of these these characters, Jay, you see 338 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:39,839 that later in life, sort of in their twilight years, 339 00:19:39,839 --> 00:19:44,599 they do light lighten up to some degree in compared 340 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,920 to their hardcore form or selves. Brazinski had a statement 341 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,759 that I that stuck in my head. He said that 342 00:19:49,839 --> 00:19:53,039 the one thing that could threaten the world order, or 343 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,400 sort of our design of it, is some kind of 344 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,279 a global awakening brought on by some great wave of 345 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:02,160 political a way fareness or something. And I wasn't sure 346 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,000 if he was speaking about that as if it was 347 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:06,599 a threat to the world order, or if it was 348 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,440 going to be absorbed into the orders as possibly a 349 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:13,720 positive thing. It was. It was hard It was an 350 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:16,960 ambivalent statement. I don't know. Did you did you see that. 351 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,039 Speaker 2: This has dealt with in Strategic Vision the last book, 352 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,400 And what he talks about is he, you know, as 353 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,200 that strategist, he's not really putting a positive or negative 354 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,200 appraisal on it. He's basically looking at the facts and 355 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,000 he's saying. 356 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: All right, this is gonna happen. 357 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,279 Speaker 2: You're going to have this mass awakening because of the 358 00:20:35,319 --> 00:20:38,519 move of internationalism is obviously going to upset a lot 359 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:42,079 of people. You're gonna have reactions, and so what needs 360 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,759 to happen is that these reactionary movements have to be 361 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:48,079 kind of corralled and co opted. He actually talks about 362 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:50,960 co opting these things, and I think that's what the 363 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,000 whole you know, n g O model is there to 364 00:20:54,079 --> 00:20:57,680 do in any of these regions where you have reactions, Uh, 365 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,960 you know, the soft power model that we talked to 366 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,799 about the you and Vanessa Bilia written so well about. 367 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,079 You know that Brazenski has been saying for decades that 368 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:11,319 that's really the key to containing the discontent that's going 369 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,720 to happen as a result of globalism. So, yes, he 370 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:17,160 knows there's going to be an awakening, he talks about it, 371 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,119 but he definitely wants to see it co opted and 372 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,720 turned into the anti American globalist model. And so that's 373 00:21:24,759 --> 00:21:27,119 where I think the key to understanding Brezenski is that 374 00:21:28,039 --> 00:21:31,000 when he was arguing for American imperialism back in nineteen 375 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:34,079 ninety seven, that was just as a tool. And so 376 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,480 it's it's kind of a cloak or a skelet. It's 377 00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:41,880 kind of a costume that can be shed. And so 378 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:46,039 once you get the movement, once America has been demonized 379 00:21:46,079 --> 00:21:49,799 to a certain degree that is actually part of the plan, 380 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,960 you can just kind of discard it for the new 381 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,039 international order. Oh, that's here to fix us, or to 382 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,279 here to fix the problems you know that America caused. 383 00:21:58,319 --> 00:22:03,119 Now I'm very critical of America and American ideology, but 384 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,279 I'm saying that from the Brazinski Machiavellian standpoint, he doesn't 385 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:09,680 have a problem saying, Look, if we can use America 386 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:12,079 for a time period to create a global order, and 387 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:16,519 this is what he says, to extend consumerism, then we 388 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:21,119 can shift into the new phase of the technocratic global 389 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,640 order that doesn't need America and its baggage anymore. We 390 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,400 can shed that skin. 391 00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:31,839 Speaker 1: That's very interesting. So, you know, I don't want to 392 00:22:31,839 --> 00:22:36,599 get into comparing his vision to the present day, but 393 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:39,640 you know, do you think it's possible that some of 394 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,279 this is happening right now, that we are actually moving 395 00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:46,240 into that phase or in the future. Yeah. 396 00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:48,759 Speaker 2: I think what he was arguing in nineteen seventy was 397 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:52,160 that the internet consumerism. This is another big point that 398 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:56,200 he talks about in between two ages and then into 399 00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:57,519 interviews that he would. 400 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: Give in the nineteen nineties. 401 00:22:58,559 --> 00:22:59,799 Speaker 2: I read a whole bunch of those, and he was 402 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:03,480 saying saying that consumerism is key because it is going 403 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:07,920 to destroy the traditional ideologies. So you have this idea 404 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,559 of and this is why he's hard topend down on 405 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:13,799 capitalism or communism. And people can't figure out if Brazenski's 406 00:23:13,839 --> 00:23:16,079 a socialist or a capitalist or he's more of it. 407 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,039 He's a he's a pragmatist, so he's he's interested in 408 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,599 consumerism destroying existing cultures, and this is what he says. Uh, 409 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:29,119 then you have an open field for moving these deracinated 410 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:35,200 people into something new, which will be the technocratic modus 411 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,880 operandi of the city state models like you talked about. 412 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,319 I think that's very much in line with with what 413 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,480 Brazinski would would like to see in the future. So 414 00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:49,119 the global awakening, Yeah, he's he sees that and he 415 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,559 would like to see it co opted. 416 00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:54,079 Speaker 1: So I think absolutely. And so let's look at you 417 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,119 mentioned about the NGOs and the color revolute as a 418 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,160 kind of a tool or to shape or to maybe infiltrate, 419 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:08,720 to destabilize, to reform. So another so Brazinski. Another character 420 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,279 in right Now who's still alive, roughly the same age 421 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:17,599 as Brazinski, also from Eastern Europe, coming from some some 422 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,200 similar time, similar time frame point in history, very different 423 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,319 background though in terms of family, and I'm talking about 424 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,200 George Soros so. And they're two interesting characters because they're 425 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,000 both playing they're both playing a role, I think, in 426 00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:35,039 the same sort of direction. They're working in the same direction, 427 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,279 although they do different jobs or they're providing, they're playing 428 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:41,559 a different role in this story of this world order. 429 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:46,480 Do you see Brazinski and Soros were they Was there 430 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,480 a symbiotic relationship there in what the two were doing 431 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,559 with their life's work, You know it take a step back, 432 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:54,119 how do you compare and look at this? 433 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,559 Speaker 2: I think that you know, in the character Brazenski, you 434 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,359 have the pear rents at least of a statesman an academic. 435 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,880 Uh and with the character of Soros, you have the 436 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:13,440 venture speculative capitalist. So in many ways they're they're very different. 437 00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:18,200 But the models of strategy of psychological warfare and the 438 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,400 technology of how you can cause destabilization and control chaos, 439 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,640 they're absolutely in agreement there. So, you know, they they 440 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,079 have both been part of some of the same steering 441 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,759 committees and uh, these higher level Builderberg type groups that 442 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:36,720 you know, Bilderberg also has these kind of side groups 443 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,240 that they'll create International Crisis Group, which was spearheaded by 444 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:43,279 I believe Soros. 445 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,039 Speaker 1: And Brazenski and Kissinger, and this this was to deal with. 446 00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: Serbia and how to how to carve up Serbia after 447 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,920 the Clinton bombings in the nineties and all that. So 448 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,319 so they definitely have worked together at times. But and 449 00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:03,880 and definitely Brazinski with National Endowment of Democracy USAID model, 450 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,559 that's all perfectly in line with Soros. But it also 451 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:10,160 reminds me of another thing. That's there's a little bit 452 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,079 of nuance here, because if we look at something like Israel, 453 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,799 Brazenski has not always been a big proponent of Israel. 454 00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:20,480 In fact, he was a supporter of the John Merscheimer 455 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:25,079 book that was a critic criticism of Apak and Israeli 456 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,599 foreign policy, Israeli influence on American foreign policy, so resils. 457 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,599 And again I think that that kind of illustrates the 458 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:36,519 point I was making earlier about America is that back 459 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:39,400 in the Cold War period, you know, Brezenski probably saw 460 00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:42,960 Israel as some sort of quote outpost for the defense 461 00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:46,440 of freedom and free market in the Middle East. But 462 00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:49,440 when you read the later Brazinski, he doesn't seem to 463 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,400 have any care or concern for Israel. Because he again 464 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,480 believes in the death of ideology in nation states. So 465 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,839 you know, that doesn't really jibe well with Israeli nationalism 466 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,000 or the lacud or any of that stuff. So a 467 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:05,799 lot of the Israeli right does not. They're not big 468 00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:09,680 fans of Brazenski. So in terms of Soros, you know, 469 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,000 as far as I understand, I may be wrong about this. 470 00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:15,000 I think Soros is a pretty big patron of Israel. 471 00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:18,559 Speaker 1: Is he not? I don't know. That's that's that's actually 472 00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:23,759 unknown because a lot of Israelis think that he's undermining Israel. Yeah, well, 473 00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:25,880 maybe maybe he is more like Brezenski than I thought. 474 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,000 I don't know. I don't know. That's kind of a 475 00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:31,920 mystery actually what Soros' views on Israel are. I don't 476 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,839 know if there's anybody out there that can enlighten us 477 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,480 on that, but I've actually been looking for that for 478 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:39,400 quite some time, and it's not easy to find. Actually, 479 00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:43,400 So he seems to be slightly atheistic in that way. 480 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,319 But Soros is is ultimately a strategist, and he's basically 481 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,359 a chess player and a gambler, So I would assume 482 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,119 that he's looking at Israel in the way that Braziinski 483 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,720 would as a sort of a tool or a piece 484 00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:00,319 on the grand chessboard that can be moved us store 485 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,000 can be useful in some bigger scheme. That's how I 486 00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:07,720 would see the way maybe that Soros looks at everything 487 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:09,160 actually not just. 488 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and it certainly it was Brazenski who again 489 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,480 back in I think March of two thousand and fourteen 490 00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:22,119 or so, somewhere in there. It's actually Bazenski wrote Washington 491 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,319 Post editorial where he was the first to say that 492 00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:28,400 the Hitler was excuse me, that Putin was Hitler. So 493 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,599 this was definitely promoted by Soros. So they have a 494 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:35,039 lot of common goals here. And my guess would be 495 00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:40,039 that if there's any divergence, then it's of the same 496 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,960 level of the divergence between him and the neocons, which 497 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,640 is to say, not very much. 498 00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:49,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there is some bad blood between some 499 00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:54,279 Jews and Sorols because of the story that he I 500 00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:56,559 think that it was in his book. Actually we spoke 501 00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:59,279 about this earlier in the week. I think he was young. 502 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:01,279 He was a young he was nine ten eleven. I 503 00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:04,400 can't remember working for his uncle under an assumed name 504 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,000 so that they not using the Jewish name, and his 505 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:10,720 father had basically put him with his uncle and said, right, 506 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:13,880 you look after little George. I forgot what George's old 507 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,920 name was. But they went around liquidating the property of 508 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,799 Jews before they stuck them on box cars. And George 509 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:23,359 was pretty happy about this in his biography, saying that 510 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,680 this was the greatest time of his life and this 511 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,839 is really the thing that made him. And so it 512 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,039 was kind of very weird and kind of interesting but 513 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:38,960 slightly spooky story there from Sorous's past. And he didn't 514 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,279 boast about that. Mike in that recent interview that we 515 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,119 featured on the news program, he left that part of 516 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,440 the story out. But what did he include in that story, Well. 517 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:53,039 Speaker 3: He absolutely said that this was a seminal influence on 518 00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:55,440 his life, this period in his life, but he didn't 519 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,799 go quite as far as to describe that section of 520 00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:00,519 the story. 521 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: He talked about the need for nations to have the 522 00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:08,079 right leadership at the right time to avoid catastrophe. I 523 00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,680 think he was talking about Eastern Europe or Nazi Germany, 524 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:15,599 I guess World War two or Hungary in the Second 525 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:21,039 World War. So definitely shaped hugely shaped by his past, 526 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,400 both Brazinski and source very anti Russian. 527 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 3: Are we allowed to bring in another name here, which 528 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,720 I think is probably under present circumstances important to mention, 529 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:32,119 and that's Samuel Huntington. 530 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:35,359 Speaker 1: Ah. Yes, Uh, Brazinski's friend. 531 00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 3: Brazhinski invited him onto the National Security Consul when he 532 00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:44,480 was and of course Huntington also a Trilateral commission. And Jay, 533 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:47,680 I'm just sort of wondering if we have any idea 534 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:53,160 of what Brazinski's thoughts were, because obviously Huntingdon's seminal work 535 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,559 as a class of civilizations, we seem to be saying 536 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,519 that type of doctrine being an active in front of 537 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,640 our eyes. Did Prasinski have any influence on that or 538 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,079 do we know? 539 00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: That's a good question. 540 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: I know that it was actually Bernard Lewis of the 541 00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:12,279 UK who pioneered the idea of clash of civilization and 542 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:18,079 that's who kind of instructed the informed the Huntington approach. 543 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,960 But yeah, perfectly, it perfectly lines up because Brazinski says 544 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,400 in many places, all the way back in between two ages, 545 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,440 that that the borders have got to go, the borders 546 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,519 have got to go. He's one of the pioneers of 547 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:34,359 this ideology and white. 548 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,359 Speaker 1: Borders, right, yes, nation state borders got to go. 549 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:43,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that's because nation states, just like religious ideologies, 550 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,559 are dead now because of the international market order and 551 00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:50,920 consumerism and technology. By the way, tech tech is the 552 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,680 one of the great forces of mowing down ideology in 553 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:02,079 Prasinski's mind. So in regard to the clash of civilizations, 554 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:04,799 I think Razinski fits perfectly into that model. That's why 555 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:08,440 he was so excuse me useful in nineteen seventy nine, 556 00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,839 because that is exactly a clash of civilizations, you know, 557 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,839 that the Soviet supposed atheist model clashing with these proxy 558 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,119 muja hydene forces. 559 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. So that and that is still we're still feeling 560 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,240 the after effects of that time. 561 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,119 Speaker 2: Today, the or the again the bringing Soros right at 562 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,160 the Victoria Newlands, Soros State Department funding of rights sector 563 00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:36,960 probably sector in Ukraine. That fits perfectly in line with 564 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,319 I mean, it's not Islamic civilization, but it is a 565 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,200 quote clash of civilizations in a way, because it's a 566 00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:48,640 clash of the far right of more or less Hilarian 567 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:55,759 neo Nazi period of Ukraine ramming up against the vestiges 568 00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,400 of the Russian Empire, of the Russian sphere of influence. 569 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,079 Speaker 1: And so speaking of clash of civilizations. While we're on 570 00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:06,480 the subject, you know, the big talking point right now 571 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,480 in the UK is there's an avalanche on Twitter after 572 00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:14,359 the London Bridge attacks. I thought I'd just bring this 573 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,279 in because it's a topical, but this is this. I mean, 574 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,000 the the anti Muslim rhetoric is off the charts now 575 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:29,440 and there's people demanding they're demanding detention, deportation, close the 576 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,960 borders and I think by tomorrow probably bombing somewhere in 577 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,440 the Middle East. So basically this is where Britain is 578 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,880 at right now. This is just mind you, this is 579 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,119 just on the internet, this is on Twitter. But I 580 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,079 do feel like these ideas have really taken hold in 581 00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:52,920 the wake of these last three the sort of this 582 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:58,160 trifector of these three terrorist attacks. Westminster which wasn't much 583 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,880 of a terrorist attack but it was on the Capitol, 584 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,319 and then Manchester which was a very high profile and 585 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:09,280 then last night with London Bridge. So a complete transformation 586 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:13,199 of the mindset. You talk about clash of civilizations, I mean, 587 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,960 like Mike said, where we're watching it, we're seeing it happen. 588 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:17,599 It's just. 589 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 2: If Brazenski is reading his Twitter feed from Hades at 590 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,760 this moment. He's elated because he's seeing exactly what he 591 00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:32,559 knew would work. And a lot of people are confused 592 00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:35,559 because they're they're going to fall into the false left 593 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,920 right dialectic over this, because they're going to assume ignorantly, 594 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,480 of course, that the entire Middle East and all all 595 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:46,639 people of Eurasian persuasion are are in some way radicals, 596 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,960 and that they're inimical to the completely now degenerate Western 597 00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:55,239 values of Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus. 598 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: So you know, those those things are. 599 00:34:57,159 --> 00:35:00,559 Speaker 2: Just not compatible with the more traditional mind mindset of 600 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:01,719 these other cultures. 601 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: And so Brazienski knew all this, and he knew again that. 602 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:09,679 Speaker 2: When you have the removal of borders and large scale 603 00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:13,400 population migration all again. This has been written about by many, 604 00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:18,519 many scholars in academia. Kelly Greenhill, what you cause the 605 00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:23,480 decivilization You move the peoples into a foreign region. This 606 00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:28,079 is a kind of population warfare that causes tensions, and 607 00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:31,519 then you just get some intelligence agencies to exacerbate that 608 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,920 with Patsy's and Dukes and morons and you have the 609 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,480 exact chemical reaction that you want. You see. It's that. 610 00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:44,519 It really is that simple. And Brazinski was a mastermind 611 00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:44,760 of that. 612 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: He really was. 613 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 2: He's written about it, he's talked about it for decades. 614 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,599 That you can do this. It's a strategy. It's not 615 00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,760 a conspiracy theory. So people who really want to try 616 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,840 to understand what's going on, I think you have to 617 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,639 see that bigger picture, and you can see it in 618 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:01,440 Brazil's writings. 619 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: And what would be the bye, what would be the 620 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,519 byproduct of that, the sort of desired effect from let's 621 00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:11,840 say the globalist or Brazinski point of view. After you've 622 00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:16,119 moved the populations, after you've exacerbated it, then what's next 623 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,719 is it? Is it a lockdown of society with a 624 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,199 technocracy and then more Oceania wars overseas? 625 00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 2: What's next? Yeah, it's a whole bunch of things. It's 626 00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:30,239 very useful. So one thing it does is that it 627 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,519 actually causes people to view humans as the problem. 628 00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:36,199 Speaker 1: Uh. 629 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,679 Speaker 2: And this may sound a little far fetched, but I 630 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,360 assure you that this is written of in white papers. 631 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,320 They'll talk about how the more that you can move 632 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:50,559 people into mass cosmopolitan areas and exacerbate those tensions. This 633 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,519 actually promotes the idea of the need for depopulation, uh, 634 00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:58,000 and the only way that you can get that depopulation 635 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,559 is through bureaucracy and manage your all control. There was 636 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,119 a very telling video that one of the UK think 637 00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:10,599 tanks put out called Plannedopolis, and in that Plannedopolis video, 638 00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:15,239 they're projecting the UK's day to day life, you know, 639 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,639 in twenty thirty or twenty fifty or something like that, 640 00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:26,840 and it's a completely controlled, gentrified, smart city city states 641 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,760 situation where everything where there's carbon taxes. By the way, 642 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:35,360 Brazenski pioneered the carbon tax, all of that was out 643 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:39,000 laid out in Brezenski's model of how you can exacerbate 644 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:39,599 these tensions. 645 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: So it leads to. 646 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 2: That bureaucratic womb to tomb government surveillance and control of 647 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,400 your life. Brezenski mentioned that too in between two ages. 648 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,280 He says that lifelong, continual education from womb to tomb 649 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,239 would be one of the keys for the future generations 650 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,519 to be merged into the tech inocracy. 651 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: So that's exactly how you do this. 652 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 2: It's all yes, you're absolutely spot on, that's how that's 653 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,519 how you get to the end goal. 654 00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting you said that humanity is the problem, 655 00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:13,960 and Jay and Mike, So I was, I was watching 656 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,639 the twitter storm hashtag London Bridge all last night. I 657 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:21,320 probably went to bed about three, but I was. So 658 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,480 I saw one tweet by a young British girl and 659 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,559 this is what Jay, you just reminded me of this 660 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,400 when you said humanity is the problem getting people to 661 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,840 buy into this idea. This is her tweet here she said, 662 00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:38,039 I hate this planet? Why are people still killing each other? 663 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:43,199 You see? So if you're able to sort of control this, uh, 664 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,559 these events and this narrative, this is the bit. This 665 00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:51,400 is the reaction you're gonna elicit from general population. I 666 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:57,280 mean literally desperation, despondency, you know, despondency underlined by desperation 667 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,599 gets you to that place, Jay, which you just talked about. 668 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,840 It's almost like it's like the priming of the population 669 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,400 to then from that point on you pretty much people 670 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,880 will accept any really form of technocratic management, suggestion or control. 671 00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, the trauma and in fact, this is why I 672 00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,239 think you could probably link Razinski's between two ages too. 673 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,559 My control is that there really was research done on 674 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,599 trauma based PTSD for example, that was actually pioneered out 675 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,880 of Tavistock Institute in the UK, and Tavistock was a 676 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,199 partner to the us MK ulture Plan. So when they 677 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:44,360 were studying shell shock and PTSD in British soldiers, they 678 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,159 realized that what would happen to people who had undergone 679 00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:50,400 these kinds of traumas is that they would be much 680 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,679 more suggestible because trauma puts you into a catatonic state. 681 00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: And so I think Brazenski is well aware of all that, and. 682 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 2: He knows that the when you exacerbate these ten and 683 00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:05,400 cause destabilization, the public is more or less put in 684 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,039 that traumatized, catatonic type state, and they will just go 685 00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:13,119 with whatever their leaders, who grant stand say. So I think, 686 00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:16,800 as Basil was pointing out the other day on Boiler Room, 687 00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:19,360 I mean, it makes perfect sense that this is part 688 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,920 of uh you know, the this is during the UK 689 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,559 election season. Uh you know, I think that's a big hint, hint, 690 00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:27,559 that's a big indicator. 691 00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I said that. I actually said that 692 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,760 on the news last night. I said maybe the terrorist 693 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:38,079 attacks will will stop after the general election exactly with 694 00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:40,000 a wink in or no. But I mean, Mike, do 695 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:41,239 you have any comment on this? 696 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,599 Speaker 3: Well, I was just thinking as Jay was speaking there 697 00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:49,519 that that's quite a number of these ideas. Jay's expressing 698 00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:54,039 of Prashinski's echo a little bit with uh with some 699 00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:56,480 bresh and Russell's as well. So definitely, I don't know 700 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,079 whether Russell was a direct influence, but but it seems 701 00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:00,639 like it could well have been the kiss. 702 00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:03,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did want to say, I think when I 703 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,920 was describing how you characterize Brazinski, he's he's like bertrand 704 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,000 Russell meets h. G. Wells without any of the fun. 705 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,519 So absolutely, yeah, you're spot on. 706 00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 3: Did he have anything to say about the role of 707 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,159 the media in all this? 708 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:24,800 Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely yeah. 709 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 2: In fact, in between two ages, it's mass communication that 710 00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:30,480 is going to be the key to. 711 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,679 Speaker 1: Bringing in the global order. 712 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 2: And so in other words, when he's writing about the Internet, 713 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,960 that is, for in his mind back then, part of 714 00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:41,760 mass communication. They knew back in nineteen seventy that the 715 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,800 Internet would be kind of the replacement for CBS, NBC 716 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:51,440 and all that classical satellite and TV cable stuff would 717 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,239 be replaced by the net quote unquote, as he calls it, 718 00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:59,440 And yeah, I would also mention too. You see you 719 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,639 said Bertian Russell Russell was part of working with the 720 00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:08,519 Macy Group and the Rockefeller Foundation for helping to import 721 00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:15,440 the Frankfurt School ideology and formulate the culture creation process. 722 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,840 That again, the Rockfeller Foundation and the all their patronage 723 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,800 of the so called arts, the National Damot for the 724 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,159 Arts and all that, that was all a CIA slash 725 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,320 frank for School slash Bertrand Russell Rockefeller operation, and that's 726 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,760 all declassified and know now written even in mainstream news. 727 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: Foreign Affairs has written about it. 728 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,519 Speaker 2: So you're absolutely right to connect Bertrand Russell to this 729 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,119 because he's kind of along with H. G. Wells that 730 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,239 the forefathers of technocracy and this is an older You 731 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,920 can even go back to people like Saint Simon and 732 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,960 August Coompte who would write about technocracy. Saint just you 733 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,880 know that these guys are very influential on the Zeitgeist 734 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,880 ideology and all that. That's perfectly in line with Brazinski, 735 00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:02,800 there's no doubt. 736 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, some spectacular quotes by Bertrand Russell. I used to 737 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,679 have one on your website that was there and sort 738 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,119 of placed prominently for a couple of years, but kind 739 00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:18,519 of frightening in the sort of accuracy of it describing 740 00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:21,719 today's world. I thought it was amazing. 741 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the one Russell book which Stanza is 742 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,440 The Impact of Science and Society, which seems to tell 743 00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:31,760 exactly with what Jay's describing. 744 00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 745 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, he wrote a couple of books that were specifically 746 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,639 treating of the of the technocracy, and of. 747 00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: Course he would always try to write it under the 748 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:41,960 veneer of being liberal. 749 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,519 Speaker 2: But you know, at the same time, like fork tongue, 750 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,480 he's speaking out the other side of his mouth, adhering 751 00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:52,119 to all these policies as the only way to save humanity. 752 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,320 And that's exactly what Brazenski would do. You know, he 753 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,000 has the liberal cover. That's why you see him in 754 00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:01,159 the Carter and the Obama administrations. Then he's also working 755 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,320 in various Bush task forces, uh and talking about that. 756 00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:10,239 He's at times of warhawk. So again, much like a 757 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,119 Kissinger or a Macky Valley, he's he's beyond the left 758 00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:18,000 right divide and he's the liberal cover is a completely 759 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:18,920 a cloak. 760 00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:23,199 Speaker 1: Final thoughts here, so we're going into I think we're 761 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,840 you know, coming into what six months, uh soon into 762 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,039 the first six months of this president's administration, President Trump 763 00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:34,400 uh in America. And so you know, how do you 764 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:39,000 see this administration uh gelling in terms of its place 765 00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:43,280 in history within the context of what's going on? Trump 766 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,920 is a president. You know, who are there's who are 767 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,559 the Brazinskis of the Trump administration? Who are the Kissingers 768 00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:54,920 or his Kissinger still advising? He's still influential on geopolitics? 769 00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:57,480 How are you looking at this scene as it unfolds 770 00:44:57,519 --> 00:44:57,800 right now? 771 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,039 Speaker 2: Jay, Well, if I recall, yeah, I think what didn't 772 00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:05,079 Trump early on say Kissinger would be an advisor? Yeah, 773 00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:09,280 I'm assuming that's still still the norm. But that's that's 774 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,440 a that is a great question. Who who's actually going 775 00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:14,719 to take over to be a brain? I think that's 776 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,039 probably why Builderberg has been, you know, really trying to 777 00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:22,199 shift over into the text stuff in the last three 778 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:22,880 or four years. 779 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: That's frightening, That's that's it's scary, Jay, because if if 780 00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:29,519 what you say is true there, it means that we 781 00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:33,760 are moving into full blown technocracy, whether Peter Thiels of 782 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,639 the world, the Eric Schmidtz that's that's who's going to 783 00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:40,360 take over. Yeah, So it's no longer that. So people 784 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,280 will sort of say, well, Brazinski's about as devilish as 785 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,039 it gets, but actually he's it's You've still got a 786 00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:49,320 human doing the thinking, you know, as devilish as he is. 787 00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,239 You know that's the devil. We know what is this with? 788 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:56,239 You know this we're going into full blown technocracy mode. 789 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,119 If you look maybe at how bi as Builderberg is 790 00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:02,079 a kind of age I guess of you know where 791 00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,679 there where the center of gravity is? Has it moved? 792 00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:09,880 Are we are? We sounds like we're moving into technocracy. Yeah. 793 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,039 I think you're absolutely right. It's going to be people 794 00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:12,800 like Eric Schmidt. 795 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 2: It's going to be people like Rigina Dugan uh formerly 796 00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:20,679 of DARPA now Google uh, Cast Sunstein, Google NSA. 797 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,519 Speaker 1: Uh you know maybe uh that's who it is. You're 798 00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:29,639 absolutely right. I think that's that's frightening. Actually, especially the 799 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,239 DARPA gal is she the one that did that thing 800 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,760 on wearables beast tech. 801 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,119 Speaker 2: She's talking Yah, she's all kinds of just kind of 802 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,320 mind boggling talks. I've watched her ted talks and all 803 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,159 that stuff, and she's yeah, full blown transhumanism there. 804 00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,280 Speaker 1: Wow, Well we got a lot to a lot to 805 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,400 look forward to or not or a lot to to 806 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,360 to be fighting I think in the future hopefully, uh, 807 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,320 to retain some of our humanity. But uh, if the technocracy, 808 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,840 the technocrats could have their way. It's so funny because 809 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,079 the technocracy was way ahead of its time. I mean, 810 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:05,519 they had this thing, they launched this thing in the 811 00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:10,760 nineteen twenty right right exactly. The technology wasn't there, you know, 812 00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:13,920 but and it was sort of pooh pooh because it 813 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,960 got associated with the Nazis a little bit in mainstream 814 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,960 Western culture right after. It kind of dampened after the 815 00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:26,159 after the World War Two. But now if it were 816 00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:29,119 to re emerge today, Jay, would it would it have 817 00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:34,920 the appeal? What could it find a congregation as it were? Well, 818 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,199 they're definitely pushing for that. 819 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 2: I mean that's part of Hollywood's role is to push 820 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,320 transhumanism through all these big blockbuster sci fi movies and 821 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,199 Marvel movies. 822 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,119 Speaker 1: So, you know, I think they wanted they want to 823 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:47,599 go for that. 824 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 2: But uh, you know, even Brazinski seemed a little bit 825 00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:53,760 skeptical as to whether or not you could convince all 826 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,119 the people of some kind of tech religion. 827 00:47:58,519 --> 00:47:59,559 Speaker 1: You know, he didn't. 828 00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:05,199 Speaker 2: He himself seemed to be in search of a replacement ideology. 829 00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,239 While admitting ideology was dead. He would he would make 830 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:09,559 comments like that, so. 831 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,639 Speaker 1: Ancient, I don't know, aliens, Jay, ancient Aliens. 832 00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 2: That fits perfectly and with scientism and transhumanism absolutely. 833 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,079 Speaker 1: Mike and I were talking about this the other night. 834 00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,079 We were saying that, like if you if you flip 835 00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:27,840 through the cable channels, there's like ten all the history channels. 836 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,920 Everything from pretty much nine p m Till till four am, 837 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,840 it's all ancient Aliens. It's just there's so much pro 838 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,440 everything goes. Even even any history program you start watching 839 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:39,880 it and they sort of bait you in with some 840 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,519 Egyptology and by the end of the thing they're at 841 00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:47,039 ancient Aliens. Basically, it's like everywhere this this might be 842 00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:48,440 the new replacement religion. 843 00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:52,639 Speaker 2: Jen, I wouldn't be surprised. There's all kinds of studies 844 00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:57,079 and test communities and and things that that they'll put 845 00:48:57,079 --> 00:49:00,000 out there to kind of see, you know, test audience 846 00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,400 and stuff like that to see where they can go 847 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,159 with that kind of stuff. 848 00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: But I'm actually gonna have to run, But thank you 849 00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:07,840 for having me on. Patrick Now, it's been great. Jay Dyer, 850 00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:12,719 author of Jay's Analysis and Sorry, author Vestera Hollywood and 851 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,000 founder and editor of Jay's Analysis. Dot com is links 852 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,679 on the show page right now. Thank you so much, Jay, 853 00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:23,800 Thank you, take care in your travels and good luck 854 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,519 with your work. Thank you also to Mark Anderson from 855 00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:31,039 our segment down there in Santilly, Virginia with Bilderberg, and 856 00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:35,400 also the Reverend Andrew Ashdown. Three fantastic guests, and thank 857 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,079 you my co host in studio here, Mike Robinson, editor 858 00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:40,159 of the UK column. Thank you again, Mike,