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I'll get into that and the conclusion, which, 28 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,759 among other things, all Hyplu sends relating to his biographical data. 29 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: So where are we gonna uh, where are we jumping 30 00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:30,400 off today? 31 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: The key to understanding Mosey's political trajectory is World War One. 32 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,879 His experience was more like that of Adolph Hitler than 33 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:45,199 people will acknowledge. His time under fire was a lot 34 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:55,039 more brief and unsurprisingly, there's this really insipid tendency of 35 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,599 English historians to try and throw shade on Moseley's war record, 36 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:09,960 which ridiculous, you know, But I'll get into. Moseley witnessed 37 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,599 from the air as an aerial observer with the Royal 38 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:19,960 Flying Corps the first chemical weapons assault of the war 39 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:28,599 at Eprah in nineteen fifteen, and about ten kilometers from 40 00:03:28,599 --> 00:03:32,479 where Moseley was on that day was Adolf Hitler on 41 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,800 the ground, you know, with the opposing element. It's fascinating. 42 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:43,280 But you know, we talked about in the first episode 43 00:03:43,919 --> 00:03:53,560 Moses Mosley's lineage the people that they captured as allies 44 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:59,520 over generations tended to be military officers in Church of England, 45 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:02,879 clergy people and adjacent elements, you know, which, like I 46 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:06,520 made the point that the consummately middle class resume in 47 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,240 the in the UK sense, not in the American sense. 48 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:17,759 And Mosley himself, Mosey was mostly self educated, you know, 49 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,000 and for an aristocrat, even one who had kind of 50 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,000 an unusual pedigree like he did, that was pretty unusual. 51 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,680 And he essentially educated himself in politics when he was convalescing, 52 00:04:31,959 --> 00:04:37,600 you know, he didn't he didn't have a discretely identifiable 53 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:51,720 political psychology prior to really the conclusion of the of 54 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:58,480 the Warriors, and why he was this young prodigy of 55 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:05,519 parliamentarian and how he got who encouraged in that direction 56 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,360 is is interesting because it was it was one of 57 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:13,920 Churchill's cronies. Not because Churchill and the organization around him 58 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,120 like looked favorably upon Moseley. It was it very much 59 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:23,199 showed the machiavellian politicking and they wanted they wanted him 60 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:29,759 to run on the Liberal ticket, hoping that the Lib 61 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:37,839 Dems could split what was it burgaining consensus among labor, 62 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,279 you know, and and the Labor Party had a lot 63 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,079 of momentum then the immediate aftermath of the Great War. But 64 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:48,759 that's about upset the scope. But we're gonna get into 65 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:57,600 Moses early his adolescens in early adulthood here because that's 66 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,240 essential and I think more he's an important person it 67 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:07,600 and should be for anybody. It's philosophically oriented towards the right, 68 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:14,680 you know, and people should become competent in the biographies 69 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,519 of these people and what sorts of ideological tendencies they 70 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,720 represent and what they're the standard bearers of. So I 71 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,079 spend more time in that kind of thing than some historians. 72 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,480 But uh, you know, Moseley grew up without a father. 73 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:34,240 Really his father was not a good man, and Moseley 74 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:39,600 unfortunately emulated a lot of his vices. Mosey really liked 75 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,160 violence as a young guy, and he was narrinated his 76 00:06:43,319 --> 00:06:48,800 military education that was very much encouraged, you know, like militarism. 77 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,959 It's like the scare word, you know, like militarism, and 78 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,360 that if people talk about the culture of the Kaiser 79 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,439 right like, oh, it was steeped in this kind of 80 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,319 like toxic militarism. That's the way it was everywhere on 81 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,000 the continent as well as the UK, you know, and 82 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,600 part of this really, you know, from after Disraeli's tenure onward, 83 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:13,120 a lot of this was kind of cultivated, like we've 84 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,560 talked about another series, owing it parts to the rudderlessness 85 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,600 of the of the empire and the need for kind 86 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:25,560 of a coherent polestar around which the orient policy. But 87 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,199 it's also it's just kind of like violence at scale 88 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:35,839 and martial impulses were just in the zeitgeist, you know, 89 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:38,600 and Moles weren't swept up in that. But I think 90 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,800 it was probably uniquely susceptible. And I'm not trying to 91 00:07:40,839 --> 00:07:47,000 play you know, dollar store psychologists, but you know, Mosley's 92 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:49,639 the marriage many his parents had essentially been breaking down 93 00:07:49,879 --> 00:07:53,360 from the time Mosley came out of the shoot. You know, 94 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,480 his father was literally absent when he was born. He 95 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,560 sent out a bunch of telegrams, you know, like a 96 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,399 feusive we uh, you know, gushing over the fact that 97 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,560 his wife had given birth to an air But he 98 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,240 he didn't really have any interest in in the actual 99 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:14,160 you know, an investment required to be a parent, you know, 100 00:08:14,279 --> 00:08:18,759 psychically or emotionally. He was he was a degenerative woman, 101 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:25,120 eizer like gambler, brawler, you know. And by and Moseley's mom, Maud, 102 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,680 she was this really stately looking woman. She was about 103 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,480 five ten, I mean it was just still like very 104 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:34,519 tall for a lady. But in those days, you know, 105 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:39,679 that was highly unusual. She was a very pious believer, 106 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,000 you know. Uh she she took ther her faith seriously, 107 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:48,919 you know, she she very much held the family together. 108 00:08:49,039 --> 00:08:54,200 And uh, Mosley's grandfather, his maternal grandfather, was kind of 109 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:59,919 like his surrogate dad. And while the uh moses own 110 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,360 father like his his well his own father, uh like 111 00:09:04,519 --> 00:09:06,840 like thought very poorly of him and the way he 112 00:09:06,879 --> 00:09:10,639 treated his family. So Mosey's grandfather kind of stepped in, 113 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,240 uh as much as he could to be his father figure, 114 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:20,440 you know. And by nineteen oh one, when Moseley himself 115 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:28,279 was five and Maud was very pregnant with Mosley's younger brother, Edward, 116 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:34,080 I know Edward was already born nineteen oh one, Yeah, 117 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,080 I think he was about two years old. So like Toddler, 118 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:42,519 Edward was born in eighteen ninety nine. But uh Mad 119 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:47,000 finally left, you know, like enough was enough, and the 120 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,559 the you know, the gossip in those days around a 121 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,759 philandering husband, especially for somebody who's you know, admittedly the 122 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:02,120 Mosleys were we're not conventional aristocrat, but they had a 123 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,639 enough of a public profile that this was a gross embarrassment, 124 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:14,279 you know, so it uh, you know, Maud separated when 125 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:20,320 when Mosey was a very small boy, you know, in 126 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:26,240 this uh, even with you know, a maternal influence in 127 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:31,200 his life, like especially that generation and especially considering their station, 128 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:37,159 this had had a profound effect on Moseley and that 129 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:46,720 I've found in my own life. I mean, this is anecdotal, 130 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:50,600 but I mean all the life is anecdotal. Like men 131 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:55,519 who developed under similar conditions with an absentee father like that, 132 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:02,559 they tend to be very uncompromising. I've noticed, okay, but uh, 133 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,360 you know, mostly was very devoted to his mom, but 134 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,720 not in like a not not in a contentable way, 135 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:16,320 but you know, in a way that was probably somewhat 136 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:24,120 unusual for Anglophone people like we Anglo Protestant people, you know, 137 00:11:24,279 --> 00:11:31,200 Germanic s specifically, you know Anglos, we're a very patriarchal culture. 138 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,320 And that's something that I think a lot of people 139 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,759 don't really understand from without and that's one of the 140 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:44,519 reasons for the tenor of discourse, like cultural discourse of 141 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:51,639 a punitive nature in America. That's so, I mean mostly 142 00:11:51,639 --> 00:11:54,120 was something of an outlier like I. And why do 143 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:57,320 I emphasize this not just because it's I enjoyed speculating 144 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:02,879 on people's psychology, you're just because it's it's trivia. But 145 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,159 Moseley's detractors and even some people should know better, they 146 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,320 cast him as kind of like, oh, he was this 147 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:18,480 lesser aristocrat who, owing to declining fortunes when he reached 148 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:21,639 the agent majority, became a fascist. And that's like lazy 149 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,720 thing for all all kinds of reasons. And I don't 150 00:12:25,759 --> 00:12:34,519 really think it tracks even with more traditional personages, but 151 00:12:34,919 --> 00:12:38,759 or more conventional personages, but in Mosey's case, he was 152 00:12:38,879 --> 00:12:46,159 very much an outlier, you know, and the uh owing 153 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,960 to Moses' grandfather being his substitute parent, though especially during 154 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:56,200 his trials and formative years, he was a very uncompromising guy. 155 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:04,879 Morals tradition kind of Marshall ethos. You know, you're you're 156 00:13:04,879 --> 00:13:08,679 a nobleman, you know what, however alienated we might be 157 00:13:08,759 --> 00:13:11,279 from London and from the house to lords, you're a 158 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,720 nobleman where the vanguard. We're the ones who you know, 159 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:21,759 quashed the the worrying class traders in eighteen forty eight. 160 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,960 You know, we're the ones who are like the guardians 161 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:30,519 of the race and the faith of the empire, you know. 162 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:37,000 And that's something mostly internalized very much, you know, and 163 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:47,120 being raised by grandparents always, especially in the twentieth and 164 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:52,320 twenty first centuries, when there's you know, generational divisions or 165 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:57,960 a real thing that that'll put you. I think in 166 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,759 some ways that puts men like in better stead to 167 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:06,080 understand their historical situated in this, you know, if they 168 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,000 are people who are thoughtful in that regard. But it 169 00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:15,960 also it's it's it's very much indicates a different formative 170 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:21,919 experience between a child and their and their parent figure, 171 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,559 particularly their father figure. They're like, their their values are 172 00:14:25,559 --> 00:14:28,480 going to be out of step with most of their peers. Okay, 173 00:14:29,399 --> 00:14:32,000 and uh that was very much the case with mostly 174 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,240 you know, it wasn't he was a natural leader and 175 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:40,279 people were attracted to him, but he didn't he didn't 176 00:14:40,279 --> 00:14:42,480 fit in with boys his own age, even of his 177 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,159 own even if who had class and station in common 178 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,879 with him, you know, And I think all these things 179 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:54,240 kind of conspired for that, you know, in the this 180 00:14:54,399 --> 00:15:00,159 kind of atmosphere of uh, this kind of atmosphere of 181 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:05,679 strife within the family, within the paternal lineage, that had 182 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:09,919 to have that had to have brought an intolerance for 183 00:15:10,039 --> 00:15:14,679 certain kinds of behaviors and dispositions. And most even I 184 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,399 know what did how could it not? And despite mostly 185 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:23,919 his own problems with like sexuality and like womanizing and 186 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,039 stuff he had, he had very very little tolerance for 187 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,039 what he perceived his weakness in the ranks of his 188 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,120 own men. Okay, and and in a way that was 189 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:38,759 above and beyond what a political soldier should you know, 190 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:55,320 adopt as as a as a standing doctrine. Mostly he uh. 191 00:15:55,399 --> 00:15:59,879 He attended what was considered then about the best English 192 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:04,919 prep school, West Downs. It was run by a guy 193 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,600 named Lionel Helbert. I mean, that's that's not like a 194 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:11,679 schoolmaster name, like I don't know, I don't know what 195 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:17,080 it is. But he he was at West Downs with 196 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,039 the son the scions of a bunch of military families. 197 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:24,799 One of his classmates was John Sinclair, who went on 198 00:16:24,879 --> 00:16:30,240 to be the chief at M. I six. Mosy was 199 00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:36,320 remembered by people his classmates, including Sinclair as being incredibly bright, 200 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:43,320 but you know, had basically knowing for some schoolwork, you know. 201 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,039 He uh, he was interested in his own kind of 202 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,960 fascinations again, like very much that get off Hitler, you know, 203 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:58,559 who also had an incredibly contentious relationship with his father, 204 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,440 who is a real bully, you know, in the pure sense. 205 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:11,720 And of course Hitler, the parish priest and one of 206 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:16,440 his history teachers at his elementary school kind of took 207 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,400 him under their wing, as you know, his kind of 208 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:24,200 stand in eternal figures. But you know what an early 209 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:30,599 indicator of Mosley's trajectory was he the estab's reputation as 210 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,680 being about the best debater in the school, you know, 211 00:17:34,759 --> 00:17:42,839 and he could basically wrongfoot anybody in these kinds of 212 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,079 discursive exercises and make them look stupid, you know. And 213 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,839 in the UK, the reason why question time remains a thing, 214 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,279 even as deteriorated as the culture is across the pond, 215 00:17:54,440 --> 00:18:00,799 is being competent in in in letters and be incompetent 216 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:06,599 in that kind of you know, combative verbal advocacy. I mean, 217 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,480 that's that's something like every every Englishman of of any 218 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:14,400 station is supposed to excel at you know, and uh 219 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,359 mostly was second to none. I've told people that they 220 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,000 should watch. There's a lot of film a Mosely, and 221 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:24,799 a lot of it's been restored and it's pretty easy 222 00:18:24,839 --> 00:18:31,480 to find, Unlike unlike some uh, unlike some footage from 223 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:34,960 the era and unlike you know, a lot of footage 224 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,799 that's you know, owing to the kind of hegemony of 225 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:42,599 the cloud of proverbially speaking, you know, a lot of 226 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:46,559 this stuff is kind of being censored and just by 227 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:49,319 being like redacted. But there's there remains this day a 228 00:18:49,319 --> 00:18:53,920 lot of Mosley's stuff. And you know, Mosley was uh. 229 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:58,680 I think he was about out of the entire coterie 230 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,359 of of kind of a radicals, you know, both on 231 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,920 the right and the left. I think he was about 232 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:13,920 the best public speaker that includes that OFLF Hitler. I 233 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:21,039 mean Hitler's uh, Hitler's energy and his like messianic uh 234 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:27,359 sort of mystique gave Hitler a kind of gravitas that 235 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,440 mostly didn't have what you're talking about in terms of 236 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,799 like pure command of the language and a man who's 237 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,640 kind of like a pure politician and kind of like 238 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,480 the Greaco Roman sense. You know, I don't I don't 239 00:19:39,519 --> 00:19:44,880 mean in the majorative sense, you know, that that's mostly 240 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:51,440 you know, and there's a there's a profundity and an 241 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:55,440 exciting energy to mostly speeches that don't resort to like 242 00:19:55,519 --> 00:19:58,480 idiotic soaring language and a lot of these things that 243 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,920 everything else. I mean, it's not of the fact that 244 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,279 stuff comes off as stupid and puerile. It's just it's 245 00:20:05,279 --> 00:20:07,920 just not suited to the English languages. Doesn't suit that, 246 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:13,960 you know. And mostly some mostly speeches are better than others, 247 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:21,519 but none are are subpar, you know, So I strongly 248 00:20:22,599 --> 00:20:30,039 suggest people taking as much of that as they can. Helbert, 249 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:39,519 the headmaster, he was very much, uh he very much 250 00:20:39,559 --> 00:20:44,160 sought to inundate the the student body with a kind 251 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,839 of strong communitarian tradition, and he like bordered on like 252 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:54,920 blood and soil kind of stuff, you know. Ralph Gardiner, 253 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,720 who uh later became an like an English National Socialist, 254 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,359 he recalled that Helbert was like a hero to him 255 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,160 and a lot of the boys at the school, you know, 256 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,559 and he he without directly saying it, it was clear 257 00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:17,359 he was kind of suggesting that Helbert very much kind 258 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,720 of inundated the boys with the values that later, you know, 259 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,440 made himself a national socialist, he said, Helbert wanted every 260 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:34,720 He felt that every man and woman, you know, had 261 00:21:34,759 --> 00:21:39,160 to abide what was their own peculiar destiny according to 262 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,839 the laws of you know, not just character and spirit, 263 00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:44,920 you know, about according to their you know, kind of 264 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:51,359 like racial destinyan things and historical situated in this, you know. 265 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,799 And he he tried to, He tried to inundate the 266 00:21:56,839 --> 00:21:59,880 boys with a kind of like patriotic fervor, you know, 267 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:03,160 but not in some superficial way. You know. It was 268 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,759 bound up with being an Englishman, being of a certain 269 00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:11,720 class and station, having certain responsibilities, you know, viewing yourself 270 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,119 and like your race as as you know, the best, 271 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:18,880 but also that containing certain moral obligations to other people, 272 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:24,759 you know, within you know, the folk community, but also 273 00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:30,279 just in generally, you know, a kind of noblest oblige 274 00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:43,759 for a population providing over an empire, you know. And uh, 275 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,400 most later in life he most it was like a 276 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,039 huge prankster, like he do mean spirited stuff to his ops, 277 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,880 but like to his friends and comrades, the men under 278 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,160 his command, you know. He one of the reasons people 279 00:22:57,279 --> 00:23:01,240 liked him is because like he'd break up sober moments 280 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,920 by doing like funny shit, and apparently that was like 281 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:08,680 Headmaster Helbert, Apparently that was like something that according to 282 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:12,480 a garden air like that that was something that mostly 283 00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:15,240 had gotten from him, you know, which I find that 284 00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:18,279 gonything interesting that just because it's humanizing, but that that 285 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,240 tells you something about the person, like stuff about like 286 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:24,400 a great man's sense of humor, like what kind of 287 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,240 women he liked. Like that's it's it's not just trivia, 288 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:30,920 you know. I mean I realized I probably got a 289 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:36,680 a stronger fascination with this than people who are engaged 290 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,160 in you know, kind of like an obsessive, obsessive study 291 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:45,680 of history. But I maintain it's important. Mosley's Secondary School, 292 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:56,759 uh was a Winchester They had been founded uh initially 293 00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:04,240 as a monastic institution in the fourteenth century. It uh 294 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,839 by the twentieth century particularly, you know, this was kind 295 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:12,279 of the this kind of the peak of the progressive era, 296 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:18,640 like a tail end in the UK like public secondary school, 297 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,279 and it kind of becomes this like revered ideal, you know. 298 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:29,039 And it was part of that was despite uh, you know, 299 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,599 from the Disraeli from Disraeli's tenure on or Disraeli himself 300 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:39,160 wasn't particularly Germanophobic, but from that period onward, there was 301 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,279 this tendency to talk about, you know, the kaiser Reich 302 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,440 like it was lacking in every way compared to the 303 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:49,400 UK in cultural terms. You know, there was a suggestion 304 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:53,799 it was actually culturally impoverished. Well I mean that that 305 00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:56,319 that that came from a basic from a place of 306 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:02,799 basic anxiety, okay, and the Bismarckian like public education system 307 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:06,079 in some ways the British were trying to emulate that, 308 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,279 you know, but with but while insinuating their own kind 309 00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:14,240 of like characteristics into it, and obviously like very much 310 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:19,240 including stuff suggestive of of you know, what they viewed 311 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,240 as their you know, kind of imperial mandate, which of course, 312 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,759 uh you know, had a had a had a had 313 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:32,720 a providential origin according to the whole kind of pastiche 314 00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:40,359 of influences that made up the late British umpires mythologies. 315 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:48,519 But the uh Eton, Harrow and Winchester, they were considered 316 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:54,400 it be like the top like public schools. Okay. The 317 00:25:54,480 --> 00:26:04,359 curriculum was loyalty, honor, chivalry, uh, faith in Christ, patriotism, 318 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:11,119 sportsmanship and competence and physical pursuits and above all, you know, 319 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,839 like leadership, particularly owing to the era with an eye 320 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:20,240 for military command, you know, because again, not only was 321 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:29,680 this not the exclusive domain of continental and specifically Teutonic people, 322 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:35,200 but this was truly a global phenomenon. Okay, there was 323 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,440 there was war and rumors of war on the minds 324 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,039 and lips of men from east to west and quite 325 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:58,759 literally in the air. Okay. Mosley also in the fifties, 326 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:04,039 especially when he was staging his comeback, and he obviously 327 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:09,880 this was like the nascent era of television and one 328 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:15,160 of the favorite ways to try and rook then, uh, 329 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,559 you know, elderly Moldy was to these like left wing journals, 330 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,880 you know, to say like, well, obviously you know at 331 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,000 these at these institutions that you know, we now know 332 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,240 we're inundating people with the wrong ideas. This is where 333 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:43,519 you learned anti Semitism, you know, and something mostly would 334 00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:48,880 be kind of flippant about it, you know, and he 335 00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:52,920 said one time, well, there's a whimsical brutality in the 336 00:27:52,960 --> 00:28:00,160 English character, you know, ha ha ha, And uh, it's 337 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,920 probably not so different from the way I answer questions 338 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:07,480 later to the same topic, because it's a stupid question, 339 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:12,000 and it's something that no self respecting man like lets 340 00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:19,119 himself be chickmated by. But there wasn't a counterpart of 341 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:27,400 Julius Striker, the Sturmmer type anti Jewish media or kind 342 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:34,559 of subcultural sentiment in the UK. But there is this, 343 00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:43,519 there's a basic understanding in before you know, Churchill's tru 344 00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:50,160 ascendency that you know, Disraeli was an outlier, like no 345 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:56,000 Jew is truly an Englishman, you know, and that should 346 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:04,000 be that should be obvious to anybody who knows the culture. 347 00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:10,640 But uh, this idea that Moseley somehow developed this like 348 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:17,720 unique hostility to Jews and Jewelry doesn't really track. And uh, 349 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,920 in fact, Moseley he was laying ambassed by a lot 350 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,000 of people on the right as being you know, soft 351 00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:32,920 on the question you know lately. When I say lately, 352 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,359 I mean past like thirty years, okay, of coming an 353 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,400 historical time, you know how the English maybe you don't know. 354 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,480 I didn't know that until I went there like years 355 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,599 and years back. Speaking of ancient history, there's these like 356 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,720 little circular plaques they almost look like plates or something. 357 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:55,000 They're like these like un obtrusive like markers, and in 358 00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:59,240 the UK they put him on historical sites, you know, 359 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:02,079 like I'll be like, oh this was you know, Benjamin 360 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:06,680 Disraeli's like childhood school or on this spot, you know, 361 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,720 like this happened. They've got one that I think went 362 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:15,599 up in the late nineties commemorating the quote Battle of 363 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,079 Cable Street. That was the b UF March where they 364 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:28,880 brawled with a constellation of of enemies including uh, you know, 365 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,039 a mob of I think we were under the banner 366 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:36,319 of the Jewish war veterans or something, because those a 367 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:39,839 traditionally Jewish section of London. And so this is I 368 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,000 held out as you know, all these Nazi brutes went 369 00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:45,880 to like Pogram, you know, the Jews of London. But 370 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,400 you know, they got they got fucked. They were they 371 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,759 were beaten back by this got a rainbow coalition of 372 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,279 people who realized that's not an international character, Like that's 373 00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:59,039 a weird way to come at the BUF, because they 374 00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:03,000 really weren't like, don't get me wrong, the b UF 375 00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:11,400 absolutely was, uh was, you know, favorable to the German 376 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:17,519 Reich and and they certainly viewed they certainly viewed Jews 377 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:21,599 as the enemies of the Empire. In political terms, like 378 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,400 mostly he didn't have some like racial lives view of Jews, 379 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,359 but like holding Mosey in the buf out is kind 380 00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:31,880 of like the mortal enemy of English jewelry is kind 381 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,279 of strange. But I think it owes more to the 382 00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:41,200 illiteracy of you know, the body politic as well as 383 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,720 the you know, I mean, the the academ has been 384 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:48,519 nakedly politicized in the UK, just like hear, you know, 385 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,599 since since the New Deal slash Churchill era. But I 386 00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:55,680 I think it's also mean it's like a basic ignorance. 387 00:31:55,799 --> 00:32:00,559 But you know that uh that forget that was too 388 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,240 t intidential. But uh, the uh mostly was very much 389 00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:11,440 a Christian uh during this period. And this is significant 390 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,240 and I'm gonna get into what I mean by this 391 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:20,640 in a minute. Mostly uh he became very interested in 392 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:26,839 spiritualism and theosophy and even some aerosofty when he was convalescing. 393 00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,279 He uh he he read a lot of the stuff 394 00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:37,200 that came to like inform people like Savitri Debbie later on, 395 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:44,960 and things mostly openly acknowledged that he felt caught between 396 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,160 like a pious belief and you know, uh, the kind 397 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:58,000 of Anglophone interpretation of the faith and legitimate paganism, and 398 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:04,160 this kind of like liminal phenomenon in the Carl Jasper's 399 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:13,240 and Youngie incidents of being caught between historical imperatives and 400 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:21,759 the ancient past informing the present in critical ways, and 401 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:32,279 this kind of weakening of the barrier of reason between 402 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:35,960 what is actual historical memory, what is myth? What is 403 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:42,960 a matter of faith? What is a historical you know occurrence. 404 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:47,359 Nowhere is this greater felt than in England. And C. S. 405 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:54,599 Lewis wrote about this, okay, mostly embodied the tendency to 406 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,960 a t. And if you want to understand true English fashion, 407 00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:05,000 it comes from a different place than German national socialism 408 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:13,119 or like Spanish cynicalism or you know, Italian fascism, you know, 409 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,760 I mean in the case of the German Reich. Yes, 410 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,039 it very much. It very much came from what Nody 411 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:26,480 called fear of practical transcendence, and that has a liminal implication. 412 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,519 But it's not it's not really the same thing, okay. 413 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,840 And I make this point not to say respect Mosley, 414 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,440 and in a lot of ways I modeled myself on him, 415 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:45,440 but because this is key and it mosty did not 416 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,639 gravitate to fascism along to some like fattishness, like nor 417 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:55,079 did he view it as some sort of skin one 418 00:34:55,519 --> 00:35:01,079 takes on metaphorically speaking, you know, for pragmatic reasons or 419 00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:04,480 to combat you know, the opposing tendency of communism or 420 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,639 anything like that. This is very like this is the 421 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:12,280 very like autoa thighs like mode of fascism that Mosley developed, 422 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:17,519 you know, And that's why that's something that owes to 423 00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:24,119 his staying power in the public mind. Because guys who 424 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,840 like third or eight, guys who tried to bandwagon on 425 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,559 the right, you know and model themselves on Eadolf Hitler 426 00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:34,559 or something, those guys were a diamond doesn't and like 427 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:38,639 nobody followed them, and nobody thought that they were serious people, 428 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,159 and nobody even remembers them. You know. Like what sets 429 00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:45,920 Mosley apart, you know, it's that Mosley wasn't prime minister. 430 00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:50,920 I mean Moseley didn't you know it for a man 431 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,280 who I mean, yeah, he was a significant political figure, 432 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,920 but like so is Ramsey McDonald, Okay, And like there's 433 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,800 not like volumes written on Ramsey McDonald, who was prime 434 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:08,840 I think the point stands, you know, but Mosley during 435 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,800 this time you know, Moseley's mom and a single mother. 436 00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:15,239 Moseley's father, who was still quite wealthy, but was basically 437 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:22,199 you know, he absent in every sense, including in terms 438 00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:26,880 of you know, any any inclination of vibe material assistance. 439 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,480 Moses's mom was struggling to meet the tuition demands, you know, 440 00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:38,480 just like the expenses of you know, Mosey's education. His 441 00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:45,280 grandfather set up a trust fund for the boys, Moseley 442 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:51,639 and his brother, Edward Moseley. Something that helped him was 443 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:58,039 h he took up boxing, and he became a very 444 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:05,440 good boxer. You know, at fifteen, he was fraordible enough 445 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,679 that he was beating guys you know, two and three 446 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,400 years older than him. You know, he had a he 447 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,960 had a he had a strong mentor and uh influence 448 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:26,920 and his commitment to training in his UH boxing coach, 449 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,360 a man named Sergeant Ryan, like sergeant was his first name, 450 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,559 it's not a rank. Mostly won the lightweight championship during 451 00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:44,920 this time as an amateur boxer, and this helped UH. 452 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,000 He owing to his prowess obviously, you know, like he 453 00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:51,119 was given a parcel his family was given a parcel 454 00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:59,079 break on on his tuition and things you know, he 455 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:04,960 later trained transition to fencing, and uh it's believed a 456 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:11,599 combination of his grandfather as well as uh the influences 457 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:18,440 some of these some of these aristocratic types that became 458 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,840 into contact with were like the fathers and uncles and 459 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,239 brothers of his schoolmates, who said basically like, look like 460 00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:32,320 you know trouble as your family. Maybe you are a nobleman, 461 00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,239 and that's great. You know how to fight, because everybody 462 00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:38,840 needs know how to fight. But no, women aren't champion boxers, 463 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,320 the fencers. So Mosey took up fencing, and he became 464 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:53,079 a fencing prodigy, you know, which is pretty remarkable because yeah, 465 00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:56,360 I mean the kind of Kinnis thesis that lends himself 466 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,760 to boxing and the kind of mental toughness that translates 467 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,519 somewhat to fencing but not. But they're very, very very 468 00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:14,760 different pursuits. But Mosey basically excelled and everything he took on. 469 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:30,800 You know it. Uh, the headmaster at Westminster, doctor Rendell, 470 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,960 he uh he'd gone as far as to try and 471 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:41,320 forbid h Mosley entering the public schools boxing championship, you know, 472 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,679 saying that this is this is just like distasteful for 473 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,119 like a man of your station. Like that's how extreme 474 00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:50,880 it was, you know, And there was kind of there 475 00:39:50,920 --> 00:40:00,639 was like a disconnect too because the military training at 476 00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:04,480 the time, even for officers, and if you wanted to 477 00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:07,079 be an officer then unless you were unless in time 478 00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:09,000 of war, you were like a mud stang and CEO 479 00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:12,280 who got promoted owing to the fact that you basically 480 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,360 pulled some Audie Murphy shit, Like you want to be 481 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,079 an officer in the British Army, you know, you had 482 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:24,519 to have the right pedigree and military training and the 483 00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:29,079 entire culture just before World War One, the British Army 484 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,519 it was very very savage, like almost lawish, you know 485 00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:37,960 it the way Mosley described it, and the way other 486 00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:41,719 guys have like in their like war diaries and things. 487 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,280 You know, it's, uh, it's almost like clockwork orange or something, 488 00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:50,119 you know, like going out, you know, these these these 489 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:54,159 officer candidates who are like the sons of a nobleman, 490 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,039 you know, going into London on the weekend on leave 491 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,639 and like getting it, getting into like razor blade brawls 492 00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:06,119 with with like working class yobs or like sailors, like 493 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,000 just just for the hell of it, you know what 494 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,159 I mean, like that's not really what you associate with 495 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,199 the with the British Army, you know, the Officer Corps, 496 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,159 you know. I mean, this isn't the US Marines, like 497 00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:22,079 it's the British Army, you know, but that it was, uh, 498 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,400 you know, it owed like I said, like the kind 499 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,480 of zeitgeist of violence, but just the same. I mean, 500 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:36,400 the kind of that that kind of pretentious overlay that's 501 00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:40,880 obsessed with kind of certain modalities of the quorum remained 502 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,559 and it's say, well, you know, gentlemen, gentlemen know how 503 00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:46,159 to fight, no, how to defend themselves. Gentlemen like violence, 504 00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:49,440 but they don't box, you know, that's for that's something 505 00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:55,320 that poor men do. But just before we move ahead, 506 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,440 just bring it back what I meant by liminal figures. 507 00:41:57,519 --> 00:41:59,599 Let me clarify that, because I think this is important 508 00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:03,000 that I don't I don't think it's just a silly tangent. 509 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,159 I really really like C. S. Lewis, and he kind 510 00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:15,119 of speaks to me like I think racially owing to 511 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:21,960 my own heritage. I've seen US Lewis as a Catholic convert, 512 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,039 but he was very very English, and it's aid the 513 00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:30,039 English character better than almost anybody game. My favorite bug 514 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:37,639 of his is that Hideous Strength. It's the final chapter. 515 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,599 It's the sequel to Out of the Silent Planet, you know, 516 00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:47,079 and it's part of like his Space series, and it 517 00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:49,440 follows some of the same characters, but it doesn't have 518 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,400 to do with with space, although someone like the some 519 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,960 of the deities and things that feature in the earlier 520 00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:00,760 books of the Space trilogy feature in it. But like briefly, 521 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,639 it's about this young academic and like literally, as World 522 00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:10,199 War two's ending, he's a senior fellow in sociology at 523 00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:18,639 this fictional university. Okay, as the war is ending, this 524 00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:23,480 this kind of mysterious administrative body emerges that starts kind 525 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:31,599 of absorbing everything of a political or police and military 526 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:40,239 or academic sociological character, like within its per number. It's 527 00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:46,639 a it's called Nice like Nice, which obviously is a riff, 528 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,800 you know. It's it's supposed to represent this kind of 529 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:54,599 like superficially benign institution, but it's an acronym for the 530 00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:59,440 National Institute for Coordinated Experiments. And it turns out that 531 00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:04,119 this thing is staff by these like occultists. Okay, but 532 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,239 they've got this weird transhumanist view of things, and they 533 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,280 think that spiritual matters and like occult energy and like 534 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,519 the summoning of old gods and malevolent deities. They believe 535 00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:19,440 it's like a scientific basis for this, or at least 536 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,880 like this can be reduced to things like analyzing disturbances 537 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,960 and atoms or like you know, the manipulation a temporal 538 00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:34,119 phenomena around like these these entities when they emerge or 539 00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:37,360 something and that and that'll like reveal through principles and 540 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,840 material science like what they are. But it turns out 541 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,199 that the reason why Nice has co opted this university 542 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,760 is because it's adjacent to this, uh, this land called 543 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:57,719 bragged And Woods, and this guy, this sociology fella discovers 544 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,000 that in Braggdon Woods that's the rest in place of Merlin, 545 00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:04,519 who's a real guy. And this isn't like wide be 546 00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:08,039 known in the story, but it's like people in the know, 547 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,719 like know that Merlin was real and that he's either 548 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,480 in repose or his body is here. But this is 549 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,039 like a Bragdon Woods is powerful and it's clear if 550 00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:23,440 you like disturb Merlin's corpse or you know, person and 551 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,800 suspended animation, like something terrible will happen, you know, So 552 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:33,639 it basically as it develops like this guy Merlin's eventually revived. 553 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,440 It's not clear what the implications that are going to be, 554 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,000 but something apocalyptic is emergent, and as the story goes out, 555 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,320 it becomes clear like, well, this is something unique to England, 556 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,559 you know, like what history is and what mythology is. 557 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,760 So in certain institutions and certain partterns of thought, in 558 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,559 certain belief structures, these two things collapse into one another, okay. 559 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:04,079 And if you're not indoctrinated into that or initiated into 560 00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:07,039 that in some way, like you don't really understand what 561 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:09,360 it is to be English and you're not really part 562 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:15,320 of that cultural malu, you know. And there's tremendous power 563 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,800 in being able to access this kind of liminal memory, 564 00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:24,840 But there's also tremendous perils that are involved there too, okay. 565 00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:28,880 And mostly not only was a believer in these kinds 566 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,800 of things, but he somehow like embodied the characteristics culturally 567 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:39,079 and psychologically that you have rise to that kind of paradigm, okay, 568 00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:42,519 And that's the key to English fascism. You know, there's 569 00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:53,159 a there's an aspect of historical memory that is, uh, 570 00:46:53,599 --> 00:47:00,199 that's something different than the kind of phenomenological ass back 571 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,679 to national socialism. But that's what I meant. I wanted 572 00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:05,559 to clarify that. 573 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: The uh. 574 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll let me see what kind of time ago. Yeah, 575 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:25,679 I'll pick up the pace a little bit. But by 576 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:35,679 h January nineteen fourteen, you know, young Moseley obviously was 577 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:43,360 coming to the end of his public school studies. He 578 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,440 saw it it mad. He had no idea what he 579 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,000 was going to do for a profession. But you know, again, 580 00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:54,880 even though even though World War One hadn't broken out yet, 581 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:05,239 you know, something not quite but precedent to war fevers 582 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,639 seemed to be in the air, mostly under he took 583 00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:13,760 the test for the Royal Military College at Sandhurst. He 584 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:23,000 was accepted. For the next nine months, he trained as 585 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:29,440 the cavalrymen and the dragoon, dragoons and lancers. For clarity, 586 00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:34,920 lancers are basically force reconnaissance like they still exist. They're 587 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:41,000 still like designated uh lancer elements like in the British 588 00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:45,800 Army today and on the twenty and the twenty percentry battlefield. 589 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,280 They do what like force reconnaissance would do, like in 590 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:58,440 an American military organization. Dragoons are mounted and dismounted into cavalry. 591 00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:04,039 Heavy dragoon basically ride to the battle space or in 592 00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:06,880 like the Napoleonic era, they'd like ride to the front, 593 00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:12,519 dismount information and then unload heavy weapons that they'd like 594 00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:21,360 manhandle as like infantry. But they were basically uh pre 595 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,840 mechanized mobile infantry. Because what you think of him in 596 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:32,119 like World War One context mostly been we'd been an 597 00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:35,280 avid horseman his whole life. That's another thing that you know, 598 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,119 his grandfather had kind of insinuated into him, so uh 599 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,519 militarily like what he wanted to do, Like he wanted 600 00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:47,480 you know, he wanted to do something with cavalry. You know. 601 00:49:50,000 --> 00:50:01,840 As ah as the war uh broke out, Mosey intended, 602 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,079 as I said it, joined the seventeenth Lancers. Their commander 603 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:12,599 was a man named Vivianne Lockett. Vivianne Lockett was a 604 00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:15,639 cousin of Mosley's, okay, and he was also like a 605 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,440 leading like polo player, so he was like he was 606 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:27,760 a stud. But Moseley, Moseley had more personal social capital 607 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,559 than he did money or or business connections. And this 608 00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:34,519 is something throughout his life that kind of helped him 609 00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:41,440 get ahead, you know. But he was persuaded to make 610 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,599 the switch to the sixteenth Light Dragoons by a friend 611 00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:53,199 of his mom's family. So lovely stammer, but it was 612 00:50:53,280 --> 00:51:00,280 basically the same element. At seventeen he was building into 613 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:06,639 the sixteenth Lancers. In October one, nineteen fourteen, he's commissioned 614 00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:14,760 as the second lieutenant. He reported the Kerrab Barracks and 615 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,000 County Killed are twenty miles south of Dublin. That was 616 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:26,159 like the home base for sixteenth Lancers who were attached 617 00:51:26,199 --> 00:51:32,159 to the third Cavalry Brigade which had been reinforced and 618 00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:41,480 anticipation a trouble because Prime Minister Asketh Home Rule Act, 619 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,920 and there was great concern that there was a gonna 620 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,239 be some sort of coup stage in Northern Ireland by 621 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,760 like Ulster boarding officers or you know, an event of 622 00:51:56,159 --> 00:52:04,239 a breakout of general hostilities in uh in Ireland that uh, 623 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,920 like the Ulsterman among the officers would simply desert and 624 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,760 like go to defend Ulster, you know. And this this 625 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,880 obviously this is outside the Scobar discussion on on on 626 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:21,079 Oswald Mosley, but one of the reasons why the Irish 627 00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:24,320 situation like developed the way it did after the Easter 628 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,599 Rising is obviously because you know, the British were engaged 629 00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:31,880 in essentially like you know, total war on the continent. 630 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:41,079 But this was ah Mosley was the youngest man. Uh, 631 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,639 he was the youngest officer in the regiment, you know, 632 00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:49,800 and this must have been uh, this constellation of fact. 633 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,280 There was like knowing you're going to deploy to the 634 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,119 continent and it was turning into a meat grinder. You're 635 00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:58,840 in Ulster. There's this fear of a you know, like 636 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,320 a thirty year officer is who are like native son 637 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:07,480 is deserting, you know. You there's also a concern of 638 00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:11,559 a you know, there's some sort of general war with 639 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,920 H you know, with with the the UH, with with 640 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,559 some Irish Republican elements. I mean, this this deamily wasn't 641 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,280 this Demily wasn't a posting for guys who didn't didn't 642 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,559 have you didn't have balls. You know. That's why it 643 00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:35,079 does that resent people trying to brocheade on Mosey's service record. 644 00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:43,239 I mean, that's ridiculous anyway. But the H just before Christmas, 645 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:52,360 Mosey's regiment UH had embarked for France, Mosey was expected 646 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:58,840 to be sent right into action. It quickly became clear 647 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,039 there was no need for given cavalry, so he realized 648 00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:05,480 he was going to find himself like leading an anthrty platoon, 649 00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:08,679 which he was you know, he's fine with, but he 650 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,880 there was an appeal sent out because there's a desperate 651 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:18,239 need for aerial observers in the Royal Flying Corps and 652 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,760 at that time this was a very dangerous job for 653 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,800 all kinds of reasons. And the Germans one of the 654 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:32,719 reasons why rich Taffen and Ernst Oudette and Young Gearing 655 00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:34,360 and the rest of the you know, the Rick to 656 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,159 Hoff and flying circus, as well as a bunch of 657 00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:44,320 these other Kaiser right air aces. They they were ahead 658 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:49,239 of the game. The Germans were in tactical versatility of 659 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,079 aircraft and they were really chewing the UK and the 660 00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:55,920 French to pieces in the air for about the first 661 00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,960 twelve to eighteen months of hostilities. So this is not 662 00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:05,480 like light duty. Also, there was no theres no ejection 663 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,320 and no parachutes in these World War One aircraft, so 664 00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:12,639 when the when the aircraft went down, you you just 665 00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:15,599 embraced yourself and you crashed with it. You know. I mean, 666 00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:24,840 it was definitely a man's job, but mostly volunteered for 667 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,840 the Royal Flying Corps and no small measure because that's 668 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,519 where aristocrats went, you know, especially when you know the 669 00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:40,239 absence of a true roll for the cavalry element, you 670 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:47,039 know it. So that's where he made his home, and 671 00:55:48,199 --> 00:55:54,719 you know, in his deployment to France, it was also 672 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,119 something of anna lead fraternity the Royal Flying Corps. As 673 00:55:58,159 --> 00:56:03,599 of nineteen four team it had fewer than one thousand men. 674 00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,320 It was made up of two wings and sixty four aircraft. 675 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,400 The number one wing, it was literally wing number one. 676 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:19,840 Wing number two is commanded by Hugh Trenchard. Mosey was 677 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,480 posted to Wing two, you know, again as an observer. 678 00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:29,880 He hadn't qualified to fly yet as a solo flyer, 679 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:40,239 which is was and when he did that, ironically, is 680 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,000 one of the things that conspired to take him out 681 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,360 of action. Prominent elite in a comment rule. I mean, 682 00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:54,960 but two weeks subsequent he joined UH number two Wing 683 00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:01,400 number six Squadron, which I've been established on the coast 684 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:06,400 at Dunkirk. I was deployed to protect with deployed to 685 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:12,360 assists in the relief of Antwerp and observers played in 686 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,920 a key role because they'd spot for indirect fire, you know, 687 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:26,159 just for context, the uh, these these these spotting flights 688 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:31,320 usually took three hours. Obviously they were behind enemy lines 689 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:39,400 because they were essentially sighting in you know, counterforce artillery, 690 00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:42,800 you know, so they have to spot for you know, 691 00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:49,119 where German guns were situated, and the heavy artillery element 692 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,880 you know was sometimes you know, seventy eighty miles behind 693 00:57:53,880 --> 00:58:02,000 the lines. So you're basically surveying German fences in a 694 00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:08,360 slow flying prop plane that with the maximum stealing of 695 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,360 six thousand feet or so. You know, you're you're sitting 696 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:17,639 duck for ground fire as well as uh, you know, 697 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:23,400 for for enemy fighters, which again were a lot more 698 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:32,880 versatile at this time then than World Flying Corps aircraft. 699 00:58:33,079 --> 00:58:35,280 You know. And then top speed is you know, seventy 700 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:41,760 to eighty miles an hour in a strong wind, if 701 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,480 you're carrying ordinance, if it's a bombing run and there's 702 00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:47,639 no a recon run, your speed might slow to thirty 703 00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:52,559 to forty million miles per hour, you know. I mean again, 704 00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:59,719 this the the arey casualties from just like ground fire, 705 00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:07,719 small arms was it's it's absurd by you know, contemporary metrics. 706 00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:16,719 But the UH Mosley's UH Moseses pilot that he was 707 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,000 assigned to. He and Mosey were both shot I mean 708 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:26,559 they they're they're playing was shot down during a low 709 00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:31,760 flying run where at lowest altitude they were only five 710 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:41,840 hundred feet above ground for UH. For the mission, UH 711 00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:49,239 Moses pilot received the Distinguished Service Order. Mostly UH injured 712 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:55,719 his knee and UH suffered a concussion. This is the 713 00:59:55,719 --> 00:59:59,840 first and many injuries he got, you know, directly on 714 01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:04,480 a hostile action, you know, like I said, he was 715 01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:08,760 in He was in comic for seventy five days, all 716 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:13,719 told before UH he was injured catastrophically and taken out 717 01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:18,280 of action. Ironically, he was injured UH when he was 718 01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:25,239 qualifying as a solo pilot, which he probably had no 719 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,440 business being in the air, like going to these previous 720 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:33,440 injuries he sustained. But you know that UH for those 721 01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:38,599 seventy five days, he was basically in constant, constant action, 722 01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:48,440 you know, the UH mostly UH, he said. UH. He 723 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,239 wrote a letter to his mother when he was flying 724 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:57,800 these reconsorties. He said she should not grieve if he's 725 01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,639 killed in action because he was sure he would find 726 01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:08,800 death quote a most interesting experience. He said that. Uh. 727 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,920 He said being under fire was terrifying, but it was 728 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:18,159 also exhilarating and very exciting. He said it was a 729 01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:23,159 quote peculiar ecstasy would sooner roll off, after which time 730 01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:31,639 one had to resist a uh, a profound depression. But 731 01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:36,920 he uh. He wrote a lot, both to his mom 732 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,320 and some of his friends and a lady he was 733 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,639 trying to court about this weird dichotomy, because he said, 734 01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:46,159 compared to the infantry, he's like, you know, we live well, 735 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,519 you know. He's like, uh, we live in nice quarters. 736 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,880 You know. He's like a lot of the guys are gormands, 737 01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:56,280 so we eat a lot of good food, you know. 738 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,559 But then he's like, every day, like more of us die, 739 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,440 you know, so it's like there's less and less of 740 01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:03,480 us at dinner, you know. And he's like he's like 741 01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:05,840 he's like when you're on the ground, he's like he's like, 742 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,920 I'm sure to the infantry, death seems very much organic 743 01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:12,000 because it's all around you. You know. He's like, we're 744 01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:14,760 kind of like a gentleman's like flying society. But then 745 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,199 like every day some of us like get blown to hell. 746 01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:23,760 You know, it's there's something like there's something very funny 747 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:29,480 about that, and I get it was way but uh yeah, 748 01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:31,400 let's see what the okay, well we're up to step 749 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:45,039 on a second, but the uh yeah, so the Mosley's 750 01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:51,719 a squadron in April ninety fifteen become a bombing squadron. 751 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,079 And this involved literally dropping hammer and age from one 752 01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:58,480 thousand feet or like strapping like one hundred pounds bomb 753 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,280 to the fuselage of the play and then cutting it loose, 754 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:08,519 you know, like dropping it, uh approximately over the target 755 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:15,400 on uh on the eighteenth of April mostly and his 756 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:23,400 pilot we're dropping bombs on his zeppelin shed at the Connolly. 757 01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:33,800 This is what turned uh. This is a mission that 758 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,360 that earned mostly uh uh this thing with service order 759 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:43,840 of his own. But and there's an interesting dynamic too 760 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:57,159 between the soldiers kind of in this first early phase 761 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,039 of World War One, like Lloyd George became like a 762 01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:07,320 really hero to the men at the front, including Mosely, 763 01:04:08,519 --> 01:04:12,880 and this was his uh inspiration to become a parliamentarian, 764 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,960 which we'll have to get into in the next episode. 765 01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:19,119 This quo does my get straight out of the four episode. 766 01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:28,440 I hope that's not a problem or humbersome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 767 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,000 I'll arrogate it because I don't want to screw up 768 01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:36,000 the schedule. But Mosley's uh reverence for Lloyd George, which 769 01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:40,719 seems but I'm sure it seems ironic or peculiar to 770 01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:45,719 people who you know, think of the b u F 771 01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:49,199 as it ultimately was constituted as being the kind of 772 01:04:49,199 --> 01:04:52,639 the ultimate like anti establishment element, and in some ways 773 01:04:52,719 --> 01:04:56,519 it was. But I'll get into why Lloyd George became 774 01:04:56,559 --> 01:05:01,960 this like iconic figure too, like of the British combat 775 01:05:02,039 --> 01:05:06,800 element at the front, in the next episode. But yeah, 776 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,000 and we'll we'll get into the meat of the b 777 01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:12,719 UF in the next episode, I promise. I just I 778 01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:16,320 think this stuff's finally important. And I figure if it 779 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,960 wasn't holding Egle's attention, they'd complain. But the feedback thus 780 01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,599 far it seems to be effusive. Then it's praise, and 781 01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:26,159 that's great. I'm ring honored by it. Yeah, we we 782 01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:30,880 can wrap up, man, and I'll i'll uh, I'll cover 783 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,039 more ground in less time next episode. 784 01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:38,159 Speaker 1: I promise, no problem, very good, very good. Two plugs please. 785 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm retooling my website. Really, my dear friend. 786 01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,760 He's doing all that work because I don't I don't 787 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:51,719 really know how to do that stuff. But the uh 788 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,079 you can find me at at Thomas seven seven seven 789 01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,760 dot com like number seven h O MA seven seven 790 01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,840 dot com. On social media at kapital ri e e 791 01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,320 A L underscore number seven h O A S seven 792 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,960 seven seven best place to go with substack. That's where 793 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,360 long form stuff is in my podcast. I'm watching season 794 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,920 three of the pod by Fevery twenty eighth, but I 795 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,119 don't have an exact date yet. It's real Thomas seven 796 01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:27,840 seven seven. That's substack dot com. You should search for 797 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,760 me just under my aldor under my government name, which 798 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,719 is Thomas Sear, and you'll find my stuff. 799 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,400 Speaker 1: Man, Thank you, thank you. I appreciate it now. Yeah, 800 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,159 all the feedback we've gotten on the first episode is great, 801 01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:45,679 and I'm sure this is gonna be no different that. 802 01:06:45,719 --> 01:06:48,159 Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, you're welcome man, thanks for hosting me.