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Speaker 2: Isn't it good when you hit publish on episodes? Bogmin
Speaker 2: Isn't that a good thing when you don't let it
Speaker 2: sit for I don't know, two days and then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna get shot delayed. Deny, you better get
Speaker 3: that episode up. What are you doing?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad someone said something. It took two
Speaker 2: days for someone to say something, but I'm glad someone
Speaker 2: said something, or we'd have had back to back episodes
Speaker 2: or whatever. But apologies on that. Apparently I just had
Speaker 2: it sitting there. It was just chilling, just chilling. It
Speaker 2: was already edited it. It was literally in spreaker, what
Speaker 2: we've all got it? Oh yeah, no, it's not the now,
Speaker 2: the first, not the last. But this episode, we've got
Speaker 2: a lot to go through. We're gonna go through some
Speaker 2: player debates. Bogman has put some of those together. A
Speaker 2: lot of things going around baseball was actually outside of
Speaker 2: just like injury things. I think there's some conversation pieces
Speaker 2: to be had, and we'll look at two star pictures
Speaker 2: for what should be a nice fireworky week. And by
Speaker 2: the way, what do you what's your Fourth of July thing?
Speaker 2: At least forgetting textas I have I have.
Speaker 3: Well, I know you guys, just take care of your
Speaker 3: eleventeen dogs or whatever. Right because of the fireworks.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean kind of, but more that my wife
Speaker 2: and my daughter's birthday is on the fifth, So fourth
Speaker 2: of July is is a birthday weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I'm probably gonna go to the Astros
Speaker 3: game and uh there's usually probably your favorite firework after that.
Speaker 3: Well it's in the city I live in, so yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to the Astros and Rays. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that's probably what I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it would be more. I thought you'd be, like,
Speaker 2: you're a big foodie, like a big barbecue or anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: You're gonna look at him.
Speaker 2: I forgot. You don't eat barbecue, amort. You only eat fish.
Speaker 2: You only go to Papado's.
Speaker 3: I do like Papado you eat. Yeah, I do, like
Speaker 3: a lot of fish. But yeah, barbecue, Mexican food, Like
Speaker 3: it's all great here. The food in Texas is amazing.
Speaker 3: Look at the World Cup people, they'll tell you.
Speaker 2: So nothing. So you're gonna that's okay, though, you don't
Speaker 2: have to do like you're gonna what am I supposed
Speaker 2: to do?
Speaker 3: Go join the infantry for the Fourth of July Because
Speaker 3: it's a two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. You're gonna be like, Oh, we're gonna
Speaker 3: do you want to go shoot off fireworks? Is that
Speaker 3: what you want me to do? Blow my hand off,
Speaker 3: like Jack, I know what you want.
Speaker 2: Off fireworks a little bit in your neighborhood a little bit.
Speaker 3: But you understand that I don't like fireworks like for
Speaker 3: for two fifty. Great, if there's one big show, awesome.
Speaker 3: I don't like my haced redneck neighbors shooting them off
Speaker 3: over the uh, you know, over the lake for the
Speaker 3: next week and a half. It's gonna be a whole month.
Speaker 2: Of this you're living. If you were living next to
Speaker 2: Kate Kavali, you'd be like, it's fireworks for July. Boy,
Speaker 2: these fireworks, boy, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Boygate. Yikes, boy gate.
Speaker 2: You know what though, this is not the first boy
Speaker 2: gate that we have heard about before, though, because yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a little it wasn't me, actually was not me.
Speaker 2: Bogman loves to do the redneck voice and he says
Speaker 2: boy with it, but.
Speaker 3: There was say it to my cat because it's funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, But what's funny is there was a
Speaker 2: little controversy, so we got pissy about it happening. But
Speaker 2: it was on a show Bogmin was on. We assumed
Speaker 2: it was Bogman and it wasn't. Actually it was the
Speaker 2: other person that said boy So, this is not the
Speaker 2: first time you and I have even heard of a
Speaker 2: boy gate happened.
Speaker 3: So what is like k cavally unbelievably dumb to not know,
Speaker 3: Like I get, you know, he came out and apologized.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he talked to Wilson Trarez about
Speaker 3: it at all, but he did come out and say, Jesus, yeah,
Speaker 3: I was in the wrong, my bad. I had no
Speaker 3: idea about the connotation. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's kind of like he didn't know about
Speaker 2: the connotation, like you know.
Speaker 3: I can't put that together through context.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, like that more of anything than else, Like
Speaker 2: I kind of like, don't tell us you didn't the
Speaker 2: connotation like maybe maybe younger kids don't or whatever. More
Speaker 2: would have been like, my bad, I didn't mean it
Speaker 2: like that. I wasn't thinking straight. I totally get how
Speaker 2: that was. I was just you know, that's that's Oklahoma
Speaker 2: for you. Whatever. I didn't have that behind me, but
Speaker 2: I do understand it to be like I've never heard
Speaker 2: of that, Like okay, all right, but you heard about
Speaker 2: it now, Yeah, because Gay Cavali struck out Wilson Catreras
Speaker 2: and was whatever he said, sit down boy, whatever and
Speaker 2: probably in a super redneck tone to I don't know
Speaker 2: how he talks, but he's from Oklahoma, and Wilson Catreras
Speaker 2: did not have any of it. You know, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like like, yeah, me saying sit down boy,
Speaker 2: versus like Debro saying it like it sounds different.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, right, Uh yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 3: sound I understand what you're saying. I'll just say that
Speaker 3: it's probably not good no matter what your accent is.
Speaker 3: But agree, I agree, Uh yeah, what a what a
Speaker 3: dumb ass cake Vali was and we like the last
Speaker 3: person you can do that too and get away with
Speaker 3: it is Wilsk Tres. The guy's in the middle of everything.
Speaker 2: So he just doesn't put up with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that nonsense. He should not put up with
Speaker 3: I think he needs to be a little more uh
Speaker 3: less aggressive in some situations, but this one, I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I mean what do you expect.
Speaker 2: There's been so much with Contreras this year that not
Speaker 2: even like putting it on him right in that there's
Speaker 2: just been so much negativity and stuff thrown his way.
Speaker 2: Like he's just like a powder cake, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like he's just ready to blow the rout
Speaker 2: to Yeah, he had absolutely not. So they both got
Speaker 2: suspended seven games. That's probably you know how It's the
Speaker 2: annoying thing with Pictures though, It's like, is he really
Speaker 2: going to lose a start or they just push his
Speaker 2: start back, you know whatever. I guess you would technically
Speaker 2: lose a start in there and then he could you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever. It's pictures is always dumb, But
Speaker 2: Wilson Tras is going to be out seven games, both
Speaker 2: of those guys off of that whole mess, so you know,
Speaker 2: react accordingly. Junior Camonaro is the youngest player to hit
Speaker 2: a homer in six straight games six straight games. He
Speaker 2: is twenty two years old, with like seventy five homers.
Speaker 2: I believe I saw someone post he's on pace for
Speaker 2: thirteen hundred homers or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2: One of the more prolific big power hitters in baseball.
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure where the it go. I mean
Speaker 2: we kind of did this.
Speaker 3: Dude, pull up? Can can you just pull up on Twitter?
Speaker 3: His uh his homer that he hit against Casey and
Speaker 3: the Royals announcers. Dude, this was so funny.
Speaker 2: Let me see if I can't. Yeah, you were saying
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a whole thing.
Speaker 3: You were saying, just say Cameron Arow six homer call
Speaker 3: and it'll come up. It should come up.
Speaker 2: I will try. The difference is the tabs, but all
Speaker 2: the Camonaro, what do you want me to do?
Speaker 3: Sixth homer call?
Speaker 2: Home run? I mean it doesn't work like like Reddit
Speaker 2: where you can do that. But maybe this will pick up.
Speaker 3: When was this was a yeah, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, why don't you keep talking because I just.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just it was a really interesting run.
Speaker 3: But Cameron Aro has been on this huge run. We
Speaker 3: talked about uh, like you know MVP picks on the
Speaker 3: betting show for Betting Pros earlier this week. We do,
Speaker 3: you know, we do a show at the first of
Speaker 3: every month just kind of go over what our bets
Speaker 3: would be for the rest of the season. Rookie of
Speaker 3: the year, you know, any odd bets MVP. That type
Speaker 3: of stuff. Rookie of the Year is basically over from
Speaker 3: what we saw, you know, a weather Holt and McGonagall
Speaker 3: and then MVP. I don't know, anything you pick in
Speaker 3: the NL outside of Otani's a waste. But for the AL,
Speaker 3: I said, well, I think I think Cameronaro was plus
Speaker 3: twelve hundred when we looked at him the other day,
Speaker 3: and it's probably you know, he doesn't steal bases, but
Speaker 3: the raiser playing really well, so he's definitely going to
Speaker 3: be in the mix. Did you find it here? Nope, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'll find it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean you can just give the content and listen.
Speaker 2: Was it off of Seth Lugo? I think so, No,
Speaker 2: it can't be because this is on the first The
Speaker 2: whole point of it was you like what the announcers
Speaker 2: were doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, he just he comes up to the
Speaker 3: plate and it's before the first pitch, and the announcer goes,
Speaker 3: he's homered in five straight games, and then first pitch gone,
Speaker 3: he goes, he's homered in six straight games. It was
Speaker 3: just like so smooth.
Speaker 2: But the joke is dead now because it cannot find
Speaker 2: the video.
Speaker 3: YEP.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, you know what his problem is, he has way
Speaker 2: too many home runs, so you type him in and
Speaker 2: there's just way too much stuff. So nobody cared about that.
Speaker 2: But Kemanaro continues to roll. It is a ridiculous run.
Speaker 2: And we had the conversation he's on the last shore
Speaker 2: the one before that, about like how high should he
Speaker 2: go and how high should he be? It'll be really
Speaker 2: interesting to see what it looks like in the second
Speaker 2: half draft that we're going to be doing. But he
Speaker 2: continues to absolutely dominate. And I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 2: could he be one of those guys it's like five
Speaker 2: hundred homers before thirty? Like that would that that would
Speaker 2: put on theoretical record setting pace if it happens. It's
Speaker 2: tough to say, but it's like if your first you know,
Speaker 2: two big full seasons are you know, forty plus homers,
Speaker 2: Like if you keep that trajectory, like yeah, dull like
Speaker 2: by two in ten years or I guess he started
Speaker 2: like closer to twenty, you would be you know, pacing
Speaker 2: up to be like four fifty to you know, anywhere
Speaker 2: from four to five hundred. If he keeps that pace,
Speaker 2: which is almost impossible to do.
Speaker 3: It does seem like that's probably an impossibility, right like,
Speaker 3: because there's going to be injuries and I mean we
Speaker 3: might even have a shortened season next year, who knows.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it take away the greatness of a that's
Speaker 2: I always hate that take when when you have that
Speaker 2: thought of like a tawny imagine sitting out of season
Speaker 2: and taking away a full season from the generationally the
Speaker 2: best player that we're like ever going to see and.
Speaker 3: Game pulled away from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to call that, and that would be
Speaker 2: two seasons, two seasons, theoretical taking.
Speaker 3: Away best player to ever play. You know, Williams and
Speaker 3: a lot of players went to World War Two, so
Speaker 3: we had a lot of that as well. So we
Speaker 3: don't want this stuff. We just want baseball. You know,
Speaker 3: if it's World War three, we'll understand. But you know,
Speaker 3: if it's uh, if it's just the collective bargaining agreement,
Speaker 3: figure it the f out Yep, let's go.
Speaker 2: Don't want to hear about it. Paul Skeins got lit
Speaker 2: up a little bit, and it's starting to readse some
Speaker 2: questions because it's raising his era. He's got a three
Speaker 2: six two e RA through eighteen starts clearly the worst
Speaker 2: because the past two years he'd had to sub to
Speaker 2: e RA. His whip is over one for the first time.
Speaker 2: His expected era is actually still in line, by the way,
Speaker 2: it's like two seven to six. But something, something is off.
Speaker 2: He gave up seven earned runs to start. Before that,
Speaker 2: he gave up four earned runs. He had a couple
Speaker 2: of good ones in there, and then in May there
Speaker 2: was a couple five and four earned runs.
Speaker 3: He's on pace to give up twelve earned runs in
Speaker 3: the next game this time continues. If that four to seven,
Speaker 3: what the hell?
Speaker 2: But the walks are up as of recent that's the thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking here. He's given up multiple walks
Speaker 2: in four of his last five games. And I guess
Speaker 2: the question is, I mean, you're getting a little snarky
Speaker 2: about it. You don't think there's anything whatsoever to care
Speaker 2: about with Paul Skin's downturn right now?
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, because what is the downturn? A
Speaker 3: game of five innings and four and a tough game
Speaker 3: against Philly where he gave up seven He's still like
Speaker 3: the most he's walked in a game is three in
Speaker 3: any game right five.
Speaker 2: And a half percent walk rate, by the way, which.
Speaker 3: Is Yeah, twenty two walks in one hundred and nineteen strikeouts.
Speaker 3: So this to me, these last two starts, maybe he's
Speaker 3: getting tired, maybe you know, through the All Star break,
Speaker 3: maybe he's you know, not himself one hundred percent. But
Speaker 3: I think after the break he's probably gonna come back
Speaker 3: and be fine after a little bit of rest. So
Speaker 3: I'm not I understand, you know, you want to get
Speaker 3: on the warning signs early and all that stuff. I
Speaker 3: just don't think he's a true worry warning signs for
Speaker 3: Paul's scheme.
Speaker 2: So well, I think his velocity being down is a
Speaker 2: warning sign. It's down over a full mile per hour.
Speaker 2: He averaged ninety eight point two in his four seen
Speaker 2: last year. It's ninety seven, so that's over a full
Speaker 2: mile p hour. His sinker was ninety seven point six.
Speaker 2: It's ninety six point seven. It's roughly a full mile
Speaker 2: per hour. I think that's those are kind of concerning things.
Speaker 2: Is Slider's Slider's weird because it's he's throwing it harder,
Speaker 2: but he's throwing it like he doesn't really throw it
Speaker 2: a whole bunch. It's split finger, sweeper, sinker, change up
Speaker 2: and and forcing and both of the fastballs are down
Speaker 2: and if we go look like it's still got like
Speaker 2: I guess good, like relatively like positive run values. I
Speaker 2: want to look and see if characteristically there is there
Speaker 2: anything different like vertical drop, it's about the same horizontal
Speaker 2: drop it is down. And that's interesting because his arm
Speaker 2: angle is also up. It's a couple degrees, but he's
Speaker 2: sat at like this twenty three degree angle. It's up
Speaker 2: at twenty six. And the reason I throw the like
Speaker 2: that out a little bit where you can see actually
Speaker 2: now I want to look at the sinker because that's
Speaker 2: the thing I wanted to talk about, because I did
Speaker 2: do this a little bit on leading off. His sinker
Speaker 2: twenty two vertical, seventeen horizontal. The year before was twenty two,
Speaker 2: so that's about the same. And that's interesting because I
Speaker 2: was looking at his like plotted like heat maps, and
Speaker 2: something I did notice before I looked at the characteristics
Speaker 2: of like Earth statistically on the pitches, was his sinker
Speaker 2: looks different this year. His sinker is kind of all
Speaker 2: over the board. It's a little dead red, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a little like dead middle, but it's like you
Speaker 2: can see it's covering both corners. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he's trying to paint it more. It just looks. It
Speaker 2: looks very different than it did last year, where last
Speaker 2: year the characteristic was heavily plotted on the bottom left zone,
Speaker 2: like that is where he threw it. Now he's throwing
Speaker 2: it all over the place. Then you go and look
Speaker 2: and you go, oh, it just so happens that suckers
Speaker 2: getting banged around to sixty seven batting average against this year.
Speaker 2: It was only two twenty last year. It is a
Speaker 2: higher expected batting average and this is the most damning
Speaker 2: ninety two and a half average exit velocity against that
Speaker 2: is not only five miles an hour harder it's getting
Speaker 2: hit this year than last year. It is the number
Speaker 2: one hard to hit pitch against. And he's throwing it around.
Speaker 2: So I know you can hear all that in your life.
Speaker 2: But if you're looking for, like like an elite guy,
Speaker 2: like even saying you're worried doesn't mean like, oh, pole skins, Right,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm getting at. I am a little concerned
Speaker 2: because to me, this is either a couple of things.
Speaker 2: This is you know, getting tired, getting worn down. I
Speaker 2: think that's reasonable injury, which is a bigger thing an
Speaker 2: injury that you know, our angle has kind of changed.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's some uncomfortableness lingering, or there is a mechanical
Speaker 2: like problem, because like, if you are.
Speaker 3: Getting I just want to say, I don't think that's
Speaker 3: the mechanical thing.
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 3: Simply because his location plus is still second best in
Speaker 3: the bigs? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but his is down across the board. Go and
Speaker 2: look at his stuff plus location is fine, but okay,
Speaker 2: but the stuff overall is done, And that's what I'm
Speaker 2: getting at. His arm angle has changed, His sinker is
Speaker 2: all over the place, it's getting banged around, the v
Speaker 2: low is down.
Speaker 3: Like, so you are actually worried about schemes for the
Speaker 3: rest of the year.
Speaker 2: I'm right, there's something. Yeah, I don't this is not
Speaker 2: something I think should be just brushed off. But like,
Speaker 2: what's the application of that? That's the bigger question, because
Speaker 2: I think people trade. I think you're hearing that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you're hearing me say that, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: so you're the worried guy. But it was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm worried, but that doesn't mean I'm going to trade
Speaker 2: him for Max Meyer. But I think there is something
Speaker 2: off like, there's clearly something off. Velo's down, arm angles different,
Speaker 2: You're getting banged around. You don't have the location in
Speaker 2: your sinker, your stuff numbers, so the visual stuff and
Speaker 2: the numerical number that is attached to stuff, plus I'm
Speaker 2: fastball and everything, it's all down, So that is adequating
Speaker 2: to a pitch mix change. I don't I can't identify
Speaker 2: the one thing, but all of those pieces are creating
Speaker 2: some weird results. And if it's not injury and it's
Speaker 2: not like, you know, an exhaustion and getting worn out thing,
Speaker 2: then it's just like it's the life of a picture.
Speaker 2: You know, his pitch mix is off and he's a
Speaker 2: little bit off right now. So is he gonna be
Speaker 2: the number one overall pitcher in baseball? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you guys do with it. Like
Speaker 2: if he's a three one era guy, we're holding him
Speaker 2: to a higher standard and we're like, oh, yeah he's down.
Speaker 2: That's still incredible and that's still amazing. And it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean I'm saying to get out from under. Maybe Paul
Speaker 2: Skins needs a little weekend with Libby Dunn or something
Speaker 2: and get stuff right and maybe get his head right,
Speaker 2: like those things can change. There's a whole second half
Speaker 2: to baseball, but he's shown a little bit more inconsistency
Speaker 2: this year. Velo is down. Stuff is down. That is
Speaker 2: something that should open your eyes. But like I can't
Speaker 2: tell people what to do with it because, like I said,
Speaker 2: Max Meyer or whatever, that doesn't make sense. But you know,
Speaker 2: if if you got like a Chase Burns and a
Speaker 2: hitter someone wanted to go for Paul Skins in a
Speaker 2: redraft like that stuff, I'm like, oh, maybe Chase Burns
Speaker 2: isn't the best example, by the way, but like you
Speaker 2: know what I'm getting at, Like, yeah, I'm open to
Speaker 2: being holding him to a slightly less of a standard
Speaker 2: if as in like I would move him or something
Speaker 2: like that. But yeah, I think there is something going on.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean I I get the v Los down
Speaker 3: and everything. I do wonder if this has happened in
Speaker 3: the past couple of seasons, Like before the break does
Speaker 3: he does he hit kind of a clunky wall, and
Speaker 3: then after the break he pushes through it. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: June of last year to two point zero five era
Speaker 2: with a sub one whip, and then in July he
Speaker 2: was even better. He was dude point six seven ERA,
Speaker 2: thirty six strikeouts in that month and five starts to
Speaker 2: just three walks. That is what he was last year
Speaker 2: pre All Star. He is a two point zero one ERA,
Speaker 2: and he was better in the second half with a
Speaker 2: one point eight nine He's elite also in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four one point seven eight ERA in June one point
Speaker 2: point five to nine e R in July, he was
Speaker 2: better first half than second half. He has never had
Speaker 2: a June or July where there have been struggles. His
Speaker 2: struggles though, are a June where he had a three
Speaker 2: five eight e R A and a July that has
Speaker 2: one start and it's inflated. It's just an anomaly, so
Speaker 2: we don't it could just be a nothing burger, and
Speaker 2: you are safer with your elite of elite players to
Speaker 2: not make big, dramatic, drastic moves. But I think it's
Speaker 2: also fair to say there is there There are multiple
Speaker 2: key points that are are that that seem to be
Speaker 2: part of the cause. But like, how am I to
Speaker 2: be the one to say that he can't show because
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's an injury mechanical.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's a trend that you don't like.
Speaker 3: That's what we're pointing out right, Like, it's not, well.
Speaker 2: There are things it's a right friended like to me,
Speaker 2: it's not Okay, well, I mean, I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of like I'm not just looking and being like, oh,
Speaker 2: his numbers are going down. I'm saying like there's a thing,
Speaker 2: there's a correlation velow down, and then there's another thing,
Speaker 2: and then there's another thing. So I found three or
Speaker 2: four things that I don't like that it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: this actually does make me think this is more than
Speaker 2: just an anomaly, like just a couple of bad starts.
Speaker 2: So that's like where I'm at it. But I truly
Speaker 2: am worthless in that. I just I don't know what
Speaker 2: to tell people to do with it, Like okay, well,
Speaker 2: well let's let's just press you. Would you be actively
Speaker 2: looking to move Paul Skins? I already said I'm not,
Speaker 2: like I wouldn't actively be looking to sell him. But
Speaker 2: if someone came a knocking with a really strong offer,
Speaker 2: I think going into the season, when you when you
Speaker 2: have Paul Skins and you've got that draft equity, you
Speaker 2: just don't even entertain anything because why he's so valuable,
Speaker 2: he's so consistent.
Speaker 3: I spent that draft pick on him for a reason.
Speaker 2: You're not. And that's not something that everybody has. Paul
Speaker 2: Skins in his short term career. The one thing he
Speaker 2: has held he doesn't blip. He rarely blips.
Speaker 3: But now never blips.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and now he's he's blipping a little bit.
Speaker 2: So active is not the right word, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's something.
Speaker 3: Right in front of everybody. What is he doing if.
Speaker 2: Someone was like Elie de la Cruz and like a
Speaker 2: good picture because they just you know, like a solid picture,
Speaker 2: like a median picture, like Parker Messick. Let's just say.
Speaker 2: I know that might sound crazy when you hear that,
Speaker 2: but that's the type of thing where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I would take the downturn in pitching because
Speaker 2: of maybe some of the concerns for the upgrade and hitting.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I would actively want to trade
Speaker 2: schemes straight up for like a like a really good hitter.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's so if you are trading schemes,
Speaker 3: it's probably because you hit on some of your later
Speaker 3: drafted pictures, right, Maybe you took Jase Burns. Also, maybe
Speaker 3: you took Drew Rasmussen and he's looking like an ace
Speaker 3: right now, you know what I mean. So if you
Speaker 3: are entertaining moving schemes, it's probably because you did a
Speaker 3: really good job at drafting pictures. You have Max Meyer,
Speaker 3: you know your closers are good. Maybe you picked up
Speaker 3: Foster Griff and you know what I mean, Like you
Speaker 3: just don't need schemes because you've done such a good
Speaker 3: job in pitching. That is the person that should be
Speaker 3: looking to possibly move schemes, and not for nothing. You know,
Speaker 3: this is a very specific shop that you have to
Speaker 3: do when you are looking to move a guy.
Speaker 2: This key is very specific. I agree. If anything, what
Speaker 2: I'm doing is I'm taking me personally, I'm because I
Speaker 2: have schemes in a keeper league. I'm taking this and
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm banking it and I'm I'm monitoring it,
Speaker 2: you know, because if this keeps happening, obviously the problem
Speaker 2: with that is like then the value kind of it
Speaker 2: doesn't deteriorate, but it just goes down just slightly. But
Speaker 2: I'm keeping this in the back of my head to
Speaker 2: be watching for ZLO keep going down. Do we keep
Speaker 2: seeing shape issues and stuff like that I'm just putting
Speaker 2: a sign out there that I think there's a couple pieces,
Speaker 2: a couple markers that are telling you like something is off.
Speaker 2: But super talented players could fix this stuff, and this
Speaker 2: is what we do, you know, and he might have
Speaker 2: a record setting second half and that can happen. Another
Speaker 2: guy that I've been the minute I turned the corner on,
Speaker 2: he turned the corner. I think, I think you can
Speaker 2: see when I started to turning the corner. It was
Speaker 2: right around June fifth, and Roki Sazaki has proceeded to
Speaker 2: give up seven, three, three and six. He has only
Speaker 2: gone five once in those two starts. Falling Apart, had
Speaker 2: a five five seven June era. This this last start
Speaker 2: with six or in runs, gave up three homers, struck
Speaker 2: out only three. Just when I thought Roki Sazaki was
Speaker 2: turning around. Absolute fool me. His his whip is one four.
Speaker 2: It's awful. He's expected era is almost five. He's getting
Speaker 2: banged around, and I got a smarten up. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get out of that business like I got fooled
Speaker 2: for a little small period of time. And he's making
Speaker 2: a good case. When the glass now and snelling all
Speaker 2: them come back that it might not be she and
Speaker 2: that it's gonna be Roky Sazaki that isn't going to
Speaker 2: kick out of this rotation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, this is tough because it did look like
Speaker 3: he had turned the corner. I think, you know, he
Speaker 3: gave up six in his second start on the fifth
Speaker 3: of April, and after that he didn't give up more
Speaker 3: than four earned runs until June twelfth, where he gave
Speaker 3: up seven and he was rocked. Then look like maybe
Speaker 3: he's getting back on track against Baltimore with only three
Speaker 3: earned runs, one walk and six strikeouts, but then five
Speaker 3: walks against the Padres and three earned runs and he
Speaker 3: can only get through four. And then the disaster last
Speaker 3: night where Machado hit that two or three run shot
Speaker 3: off of him in the first inning and it was
Speaker 3: just downhill after that. So I'm with you, Rokie is
Speaker 3: just rough right now. He just does not corn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he just doesn't have that like this is
Speaker 2: a weird thing. But they're always showing and maybe it's
Speaker 2: a little dramatic. They're always showing him like crying or
Speaker 2: whatever he does. He doesn't seem like he has like
Speaker 2: like the I don't want to I want to say this.
Speaker 3: Right intestinal fortitude.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're about to say, Yeah, I kind
Speaker 2: of want to be like the mental forming man. But
Speaker 2: it's more of like you know how baseball players of
Speaker 2: those short memories, they can move on, they can get
Speaker 2: out of it. Like I think that guy gets in
Speaker 2: his head. A lot is in his head, and then
Speaker 2: when one mistake happens, then it's just it's it's gonna
Speaker 2: tail spin. I think he tailspins really really quick, and
Speaker 2: that's gonna take some time or whatever. But I'm out
Speaker 2: of that business for this year. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you saw this at all. I just thought this is
Speaker 2: an interesting discourse. But Mizowski had a solid start yesterday
Speaker 2: because there was this ball that ended up being like
Speaker 2: a called an error and it erased like three earned runs.
Speaker 2: But I saw people getting pretty pissed off about this
Speaker 2: because this bad call on an error A lot we're
Speaker 2: saying this could have cost anyone else the Cy Young Award,
Speaker 2: because had he given up foreign runs that would have
Speaker 2: been you know, attached to his you know, his numbers
Speaker 2: and stuff that he would have given up in this start.
Speaker 2: Five earned runs probably pushes his er or I don't
Speaker 2: know what the physical number would have been a little
Speaker 2: bit closer to two, but that this could have been
Speaker 2: one of those markers that could have saved or this
Speaker 2: was like a little bit of, you know, a little
Speaker 2: extra push in favor of Misowski as someone that has
Speaker 2: all the cy young favor to him. I didn't think that,
Speaker 2: but I just thought that was interesting.
Speaker 3: I know MLB wants to promote their young players and everything,
Speaker 3: but I don't. I just don't really see malice in this. Like,
Speaker 3: if it's a wrong call, it's a wrong call. There's
Speaker 3: wrong calls in every game, I feel like, So I'm
Speaker 3: not I who cares, right, Like, at the end of
Speaker 3: the year, At the end of the year, if it's
Speaker 3: five earned runs and that is a big major difference,
Speaker 3: people are going to point to it. Guess what they'll
Speaker 3: point to it then, So I'm not who cares honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And actually, when you type in the better.
Speaker 3: Conspiracy theory to get behind in this one is what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of them. A lot of people are
Speaker 2: doing like, hmm, what's going on here? Like it was, uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess I read every mistake needs the X files music?
Speaker 3: Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I don't know. I think it's kind of silly.
Speaker 2: But what is interesting is if the race is super
Speaker 2: close at the end and like Mizerowski barely slightly takes it,
Speaker 2: and maybe like what if Chris Sanchez and him were
Speaker 2: within like point zero five or something eer that that's
Speaker 2: in the fun conspiracy will come out, so we'll be
Speaker 2: on the lookout for that. And the Cubs the other
Speaker 2: day scored a touch three touchdowns, a field goal with
Speaker 2: a missed extra point as they won twenty three to three.
Speaker 2: I think it was tying the team record. They had
Speaker 2: eight homers. Bush Suzuki, Pca Conforto, and dance By Swanson
Speaker 2: had three homers in the game. I have done this
Speaker 2: multiple time, so apologies, but I did this in leading off.
Speaker 2: Did you know that Dansby Swanson has got forty percent
Speaker 2: of his RBIs in only four games this whole year?
Speaker 2: He has two games of seven plus RBI because he
Speaker 2: had eight in this one, and then the seven he
Speaker 2: had back to back or sandwich between were four rbi is.
Speaker 2: So four games have accounted for forty percent of his
Speaker 2: RBI production. He's got people in kind of a tailspin
Speaker 2: of like, oh my god, do we need to own
Speaker 2: he's only hitting two ten. That's the other weird part.
Speaker 2: He does seem to be maybe slightly turning a corner
Speaker 2: because he hit like two sixty in June, so our
Speaker 2: two forty nine, actually I think it was so he
Speaker 2: is turning a corner. But he has been a he's
Speaker 2: really been the biggest piece of conversation around that insane output,
Speaker 2: even though like PCA is still you know, almost looking
Speaker 2: like an MVP candidate, but a huge, huge output. They
Speaker 2: obliterated Walker, Buller gave up like nine runs and then whoever.
Speaker 3: The other guy Lard had like five decent s arts
Speaker 3: in a row or forty these and starts in a
Speaker 3: row in the last two. He's just not shelled.
Speaker 2: I had put him on the you know we do
Speaker 2: those short form videos on Fantasy Pros. We were going
Speaker 2: to do a Baseball the Pitcher one, and I did
Speaker 2: my sheets early and I put him on it the
Speaker 2: day he pitched. And then when he got obliterated, I
Speaker 2: was like, whoop, delete, delete, delete, like I was going
Speaker 2: to talk about him, and then thank god that happened
Speaker 2: before because he got annihilated.
Speaker 3: But let me ask you, Danceby's numbers are awful this year.
Speaker 3: By the way, his xba's two.
Speaker 2: Twelve, So you're not You're not going to buy any
Speaker 2: That's what I was going to ask you. It was like,
Speaker 2: are you a pickup of Dance by Swans and two tenses?
Speaker 3: Numbers aren't terrible. It's nice to be in a good lineup, right,
Speaker 3: you know, fifty five runs, fifty seven RBI sixteen ten,
Speaker 3: these are good numbers. But that batting average is just
Speaker 3: going to drag you down so much. So I'd have
Speaker 3: to be pretty desperate or be really like way ahead
Speaker 3: in average in a rodeo, or not having average problems.
Speaker 3: And it had to head to add danceby Swans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he u two forty seven was the
Speaker 2: number he hit in June, so it had been abysmal
Speaker 2: before that outside of those slight little, you know, crazy
Speaker 2: big outputs, but you know, starting to turn the corner.
Speaker 2: If you've got a two forty dance be Swanse and
Speaker 2: I think you can live with him. I could. I
Speaker 2: could see where you might have some bad options and
Speaker 2: like a deep twelve man that you can maybe consider
Speaker 2: him anything deeper, Like sure, I have. I just haven't
Speaker 2: seen anything compelling where someone's been like, would you pick
Speaker 2: up dance Bey for this guy? And I'm like, well, no,
Speaker 2: dug Like it's always just two loser guys. So it's like, sure,
Speaker 2: pick up Danceby.
Speaker 3: He's hot right now, you're not really yeah, you're not
Speaker 3: really adding dance By off the wire. He's eighty two
Speaker 3: percent rostered even Yahoo, right, so like you would have
Speaker 3: to trade for dance By. That's my thing is like
Speaker 3: what the hell am I gonna do? Why am I
Speaker 3: trading for Danceby? Like that is my my ultimate question.
Speaker 2: We had, I mean no less than like ten questions
Speaker 2: about picking up Dansby swansa.
Speaker 3: Cubs fans man, I'm not doing it when he's hitting
Speaker 3: two ten his xba's to twelve, right, Like, I'm just
Speaker 3: not doing that.
Speaker 2: Uh, Swanson sixty four percent between ESPN and Yahoo, So
Speaker 2: maybe Yahoo's carrying the weight that's still not as available
Speaker 2: as people making it out to be. See, you know,
Speaker 2: and you know what I didn't pick up on I
Speaker 2: should have. The people that are asking that question, I
Speaker 2: would bet you seventy five to eighty five percent are
Speaker 2: ten team leaguers. And that's where it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: guys like if you're in a ten team, he is
Speaker 2: not justified to be owned. But if you are just
Speaker 2: burning and churning losers, sure go pick him up for
Speaker 2: a couple of days. You're gonna drop him when he goes,
Speaker 2: you know, oh, for sixteen over four games, and then
Speaker 2: you're gonna then he's gonna have his big output. But
Speaker 2: I didn't. I'm glad you said that, because, like we
Speaker 2: saw so many questions of it, ownership doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: And then it's like, oh, it's the team.
Speaker 3: He's still he is still even with two ten as
Speaker 3: his average, the fourth ranked shortstop of course to Yahoo
Speaker 3: and the counting stats, because Nedo is hitting two twenty
Speaker 3: five right, And then after Neto you get Xavier Edwards
Speaker 3: who's hitting three zero one but only has six homers
Speaker 3: and thirteen stolen bases. You have Ellie, who missed a
Speaker 3: big grip of time, so his numbers aren't quite there yet.
Speaker 3: Mcgonagall's below him somehow because of the RBI only thirty
Speaker 3: one for him, so you know, he's still ranks high
Speaker 3: up here. But if you have any issue with batting average,
Speaker 3: you cannot go and acquire dance Dancy Swans and you
Speaker 3: just can't do it.
Speaker 2: He's a weird one, all right. Some of the injuries
Speaker 2: that were floating out there. Julia Rodriguez in Just the
Speaker 2: Weird News, Hulio Rodriguez concussion protocol after getting hit with
Speaker 2: a throw. Hopefully it's not one of those bad concussions
Speaker 2: that put you on the il for an extended period
Speaker 2: of time, you know. But he is a second half guy,
Speaker 2: so it's nothing damning. What is damning though, and is
Speaker 2: officially we don't have to speculate anymore a lost season
Speaker 2: Brent Rooker because he has done for the year after
Speaker 2: having surgery repair cartilage, a cartilage tear that was in
Speaker 2: his knee. So season got went from bad to worse
Speaker 2: to worst possible scenario that you could have, and he
Speaker 2: is out for the year. The question is is, like,
Speaker 2: once healthy, do you think you're gonna buy back in.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be trippy because he did nothing the whole year.
Speaker 2: He never made a case for turning it around. Then
Speaker 2: he got hurt. Everyone's gonna have You're gonna have to
Speaker 2: live off of twenty twenty five to justify him if
Speaker 2: he's going.
Speaker 3: High at twenty four, I mean, yeah, or twenty twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four his season. You said you're gonna have to
Speaker 3: live off of twenty twenty five if that's where you're going,
Speaker 3: But you meant twenty twenty four like to draft him
Speaker 3: next year?
Speaker 2: No, I meant you happy to live off of the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five season where he hit thirty homers in
Speaker 2: six and had six and he was drafted in the
Speaker 2: third round because this is the twenty twenty six season
Speaker 2: that was trashed. So next year, twenty twenty seven, you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to be like, you know, well, he was
Speaker 2: a thirty home run hitter in twenty twenty five, and
Speaker 2: da da dad, he was a total regression guy. My guestimation,
Speaker 2: what was he like? Call him like forty overall this year?
Speaker 2: Just as an average. I will guess Rooker is gonna
Speaker 2: be between ninety and one twenty next year.
Speaker 3: That's I'm gonna love that.
Speaker 2: People, You're gonna love that.
Speaker 3: I think. So, you know, as long as he looks
Speaker 3: good in spring training, if we have spring training and
Speaker 3: it's normal off season and all that, right, but as
Speaker 3: long as he looks good before the season, I think
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be okay. Because you know, knee terear is
Speaker 3: not forever, especially in baseball.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, this isn't about the injury for me. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think I think he's gonna be fine,
Speaker 3: And I think this year he was obviously dogged by
Speaker 3: it the entire season that he played. So it was
Speaker 3: pretty obvious that he was hurt before he went on
Speaker 3: the il the first time, and it was pretty clear
Speaker 3: when he came off of it he wasn't ready to
Speaker 3: come off of it. So I think he was just
Speaker 3: hurt the whole year. So I'm pretty much trashing twenty
Speaker 3: six for Rooker, and I'm gonna enjoy that discount. Next year.
Speaker 2: I will need a good discount. But if it's outside
Speaker 2: the top one hundred, I'll probably buy, probably will, And
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna toe that line, you know, because
Speaker 2: he's gonna be like thirty two years old. He'll have recovered.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: He does have a history that maybe this is just
Speaker 2: the season we wash off. If he's going in the
Speaker 2: sixties or seventies, I'm probably no, I'm not probably, I
Speaker 2: will be out. I will be one hundred percent out,
Speaker 2: not interested. But if it's outside the top one hundred,
Speaker 2: it's probably gonna be too too interesting. Too enticing for
Speaker 2: me for the thirty plus homers, especially if he does
Speaker 2: actually turn it around. Aaron Judge is a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks away from his follow up imaging where there has
Speaker 2: been nothing, no good news, no nothing news. So this
Speaker 2: says late July to me, that's not an ETA, because
Speaker 2: if he's let's say two weeks away, that's gonna put
Speaker 2: you at almost the back end of July and the
Speaker 2: All Star break. He has not then started any program
Speaker 2: or anything, which he's gonna have to do. So the
Speaker 2: early I guess ETA to me is the only likely
Speaker 2: scenario with by the way I would throw out, if
Speaker 2: the imaging is just like Bland or something like that,
Speaker 2: it could be till September. He'll be back knock on wood.
Speaker 2: But I am not optimistic. I don't think there's any
Speaker 2: world where you see him in July in this point
Speaker 2: unless they move up the imaging. But that's where we're
Speaker 2: at with the Aaron Judge stuff. If someone is throwing
Speaker 2: an Aaron Judge off of your way and it's not
Speaker 2: a real discount, you know, you know what a real
Speaker 2: discount would look like, right, It's like they'll send you
Speaker 2: Aaron Judge. But you have to give up. Let me
Speaker 2: just do like a quick scan. You've got to give
Speaker 2: up sal Stewart and Drew Rasmussen. Maybe that is, by
Speaker 2: the way, but that's the top ten picture and.
Speaker 3: Salst and Drew Rasmus. It doesn't sound.
Speaker 2: Bad, Bryce Harper and Drew Rasmussen.
Speaker 3: I'm doing that.
Speaker 2: You're trading though, You're trading the judge. Yeah, no, you're no.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is to get judge. No, I don't want judge.
Speaker 2: What about the other trade, the first one? I said,
Speaker 2: you have to give up ras Musen and Uhart.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that one determined, So you're not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I look it, you know it. Really it's the
Speaker 3: follow up imaging that is bothering me here, not the once.
Speaker 3: The imaging is good. I don't think he's gonna miss
Speaker 3: much longer than two more weeks, right, because hitters ramp
Speaker 3: up way faster than pictures. You don't have to build
Speaker 3: a pitch count or anything. It's got to get your
Speaker 3: timing right and all that. So, uh and they need
Speaker 3: his back. They've lost seven in a row. So I
Speaker 3: think that if this imaging is fine, I'm okay trading
Speaker 3: for him, But I don't want to mess with Judge
Speaker 3: until we get this imaging back, and no, get a
Speaker 3: real e TA Like you said, this isn't an actual
Speaker 3: real ETA right late July. That is an assumption that
Speaker 3: the imaging is good. That is when the earliest he'd
Speaker 3: be able to come back is late July as well,
Speaker 3: so it's probably early to mid August. And at that point,
Speaker 3: you know, give me my month with those other two players.
Speaker 2: So if someone wanted Kevin McGonagall for Judge, straight up,
Speaker 2: you're Kevin McGonagall right now.
Speaker 3: I don't think for one player. No, i'd have to
Speaker 3: get something beyond Kevin McGonagall.
Speaker 2: No, No, you're trading McGonagall away to get Judge.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, i'd probably do that.
Speaker 2: You would trade McGonagall to get right now.
Speaker 3: You would take that rusk one for one. I think
Speaker 3: I would take that risk, especially if someone loser like
Speaker 3: dance By Swanson's on my wire pick up Dansby Swanson.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah, all right. Ronald Couoney is now expected back.
Speaker 2: Is not expected back until after the All Star break,
Speaker 2: but apparently he went through some full pregame workouts like
Speaker 2: on Tuesday or something, so that's a good sign.
Speaker 3: But this is the handling with kid gloves finally.
Speaker 2: Absolutely smart move. Let him have the extra break and
Speaker 2: time and all that type of stuff. So him coming
Speaker 2: back at that period of time is Mookie Betts was
Speaker 2: scratch from the lineup on Wednesday hit some wrist soreness,
Speaker 2: some right wrist soreness. Also with the Dodgers, Will Smith
Speaker 2: is going to be out until after the All Star break.
Speaker 2: So more Dalton rushing.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no show, Hey, no not d.
Speaker 2: Did you see Mookie's podcast? He had Max Munsey on
Speaker 2: and they were talking about like that whole situation of
Speaker 2: like them going and they said they were like they
Speaker 2: were like two kids in a candy store, probably similar
Speaker 2: to how I am when I see like weird industry
Speaker 2: news and I get all excited. Was like that when
Speaker 2: he saw that whole situation, that.
Speaker 3: Meme of like the one dude just beating on the
Speaker 3: other dude and the guy in the background on the
Speaker 3: ground with the camera, that's like that would be you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: You're you're the camera guy for sure.
Speaker 2: Byron Bucks and has missed three state games with a
Speaker 2: hip and pingement like that. Good news. Hunter Green's canna
Speaker 2: be activated and he's gonna start on Saturday, so huge
Speaker 2: news in those streets. Max Freed feel like we hadn't
Speaker 2: hurt anything on recently. He's gonna throw BP on Sunday
Speaker 2: into a lie is the theoretical e t A. I
Speaker 2: imagine how this session throwing it goes is going to
Speaker 2: be really important. Then that sets up to, you know,
Speaker 2: to like a rehab stint and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And getting everybody off the wire, off the I l
Speaker 3: here the.
Speaker 2: Yankees for real, and they're still going. Dude, they're still
Speaker 2: like number two or something in baseball, and you know,
Speaker 2: run differential and everything like that. There are four games
Speaker 2: behind the Rays. Though they did they did crop, they
Speaker 2: did drop that down. That's why, dude, I think they
Speaker 2: should be aggressive in the trade market. But I already
Speaker 2: had this conversational leading off. We had some more activations
Speaker 2: Tasker Hernandez, Liam Hicks, Emilio Pagan, Noah Schulz, Dean Krimmer.
Speaker 2: I think the most interesting ones are the first three.
Speaker 2: Emilia Pagan probably goes back in with Staves. Liam Hicks
Speaker 2: has been serviceable. Tasker Hernandez.
Speaker 3: You know, I think the trade for a closer too.
Speaker 2: By the way, that clue they've needed to trade for
Speaker 2: Chapman all season long. Jeremy Pania to the IL, Corey
Speaker 2: Segert to the I L, Jacob Wilson to the i L.
Speaker 2: That's why people are talking about Dancys and bugs because
Speaker 2: also commonly early and Matt Chapman s has some serious
Speaker 2: IL hits there, right.
Speaker 3: Jacob Wilson just an injury prone player at this point.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think he's activated that yet, but I
Speaker 2: think that's something that should be more accounted for on
Speaker 2: top of his lack of like really great counting stats.
Speaker 2: You know, everyone's like I got to own him and
Speaker 2: I got to have him, and blah blah blah. And
Speaker 2: it's just like I.
Speaker 3: Think by everyone you met me in the preseason, but.
Speaker 2: It was just you lots of people like he's just
Speaker 2: he's got that slight, little Luisa Rice thing to him,
Speaker 2: like it is enticing, and he did. I saw in
Speaker 2: spring training he was trying to pull the ball a
Speaker 2: little bit more, it seemed like, and then that failed
Speaker 2: at the beginning of this year, and then I think
Speaker 2: he kind of went back to that I'm going to
Speaker 2: hit across my body, so I hit for average, which
Speaker 2: is important.
Speaker 3: Because walk rate is down, his strikeout rate is up.
Speaker 3: He's hitting two seventy seven instead of over three hundred
Speaker 3: four homers and two RBI and fifty games. And I
Speaker 3: think this is this is at least his second d
Speaker 3: L stint, right, didn't he or I L stent or
Speaker 3: maybe he just missed games before because he's only played fifty.
Speaker 2: No, I want to say this is his second. I
Speaker 2: think you're right about that.
Speaker 3: And one hundred and twenty five games last year, only
Speaker 3: twenty eight the year.
Speaker 2: Before, So it's not great. Ryan Halsey's having tests for
Speaker 2: a sore elbow, so fire up your Garcias or Canoes
Speaker 2: for some save opportunities. Logan Henderson is going to be
Speaker 2: gonna rehab start today actually and then should be activated
Speaker 2: before the All Star break. That should take out Shane
Speaker 2: Drohan And I don't know. As long as I'm trade
Speaker 2: for anybody, he's probably good. So he's a decent speculative pickup.
Speaker 2: Last two things. Ryan Mcmahonager Grisham activated on Friday, so
Speaker 2: there's some good Yankee news, I suppose. And then Brandon
Speaker 2: Nemo underwent an MRI for a sprained shoulder on Tuesday
Speaker 2: didn't play on Wednesday, assuming.
Speaker 3: I didn't see you played yesterday.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I want to say this was going to lead
Speaker 2: to an il thing. Let's look on Thursday, he did
Speaker 2: not play. Yeah, he has not been playing, and they
Speaker 2: haven't made a move yet, so I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: that's a good sign. But maybe there's a retroactive move
Speaker 2: that's coming in. All right, there you go. That is
Speaker 2: the setup leading us to some player debates. Boggins. Put
Speaker 2: some player debates together here, and I will let him
Speaker 2: these are his so he can present them instead of me,
Speaker 2: and I will do the first reaction. So player debate
Speaker 2: time coming up on it.
Speaker 3: The Snowsberry's taste like Snosberry's freaking out. You are freaking out, man,
Speaker 3: glittering and glittering and.
Speaker 2: Glittering and smoking in this league. Break it down player debates.
Speaker 2: We've got some hitters. It looks like we've got we
Speaker 2: got at least one picture one here, bog So why
Speaker 2: don't you set the stage? It's player versus player. What's
Speaker 2: the time frame? It looks like these might all be
Speaker 2: season long st These.
Speaker 3: Are season longer? Yeah, cool? The first one because I
Speaker 3: only use the month long if we're talking if like
Speaker 3: if I'm trying to make you guess who these players are. Sure,
Speaker 3: So for player debates, Peede Alonso versus South Stewart is
Speaker 3: the first one. And Alonso just to give you his numbers,
Speaker 3: and this is from I believe Wednesday night, So I
Speaker 3: might be a couple off on some of these. But
Speaker 3: fifty three runs, nineteen homers, fifty nine RBI, two swipes
Speaker 3: and a two forty nine average. That's for Pee Alonso.
Speaker 3: Salthstuart forty five runs, sixteen homers, fifty nine RBIs for
Speaker 3: the same eleven stolen bases any sitting better at two
Speaker 3: fifty seven. So you know, Pee Alonso obviously has a
Speaker 3: longer track record, but salth Stuart is having a better
Speaker 3: season I would say overall, with more solen bases and
Speaker 3: a better batting average. So who do you like for
Speaker 3: the rest of the season, mister Welsh, Pee Alonzo over
Speaker 3: South Stuart.
Speaker 2: This one is tough. I want to say pe de
Speaker 2: Alonzo because the hitting profile is still there despite whatever
Speaker 2: we're calling struggles and stuff. He hasn't expected batting average
Speaker 2: of two sixty nine that is over twenty points higher
Speaker 2: than where he's at. Despite he is still hitting nineteen
Speaker 2: home or so so and also like Barrel is down
Speaker 2: from last year, but it still looks good. Hard hit
Speaker 2: rate looks absolutely elite. He's walking a little bit more,
Speaker 2: he's getting the ball in the air, He's doing this stuff.
Speaker 2: He's pulling the ball a little bit less.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: The thing about this is, so I guess what I'm
Speaker 2: saying is like, he looks like he's going to be
Speaker 2: a thirty five maybe forty home run guy with even
Speaker 2: a two fifty two to sixty average. So I have
Speaker 2: to determine is that more valuable than Sal Stewart, who
Speaker 2: I think might be a thirty twenty guy. And his
Speaker 2: expected batting average is right in line where where he's at.
Speaker 2: So let's just assume for a second, because he has
Speaker 2: a profile that I think sustains fifteen percent, Barrel gets
Speaker 2: a ball in the air, he isn't pulling it, which
Speaker 2: is kind of weird, and the hard hits down. But
Speaker 2: he's in a really hit or friendly part of Paul Park.
Speaker 2: So is a two point fifty thirty twenty better than
Speaker 2: a two sixty thirty five with let's presume more RBI
Speaker 2: in runs in favor of Alonso but we're going to
Speaker 2: see significantly more stolen bases. I think it's a little
Speaker 2: subjective and I can't believe I'm gonna say it, but
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna say Sal Stewart. I took Sal
Speaker 2: Stewart over Fernando Tatis Junior earlier this year. I think
Speaker 2: that's still right. Stewart has done a decent job of
Speaker 2: having like these bounce backs where he had this like
Speaker 2: kind of poor April, then you know, May was okay.
Speaker 2: But he's increased to thirty five to forty two, forty eighties,
Speaker 2: two fifty in July. Right now, I think he might
Speaker 2: be a little susceptible to more downswings, which could hurt
Speaker 2: me here. But I feel like, like that stolen base number.
Speaker 2: You know, he's got sixty rbi, by the way, that's
Speaker 2: third in the NL. Like I we're discounting that too.
Speaker 2: What if he's an eighty five run, one hundred rbi
Speaker 2: thirty twenty with a two fifty average, that's a two
Speaker 2: round player. If Peet Alonso is not, you know, even
Speaker 2: if he goes one hundred hundred with a two sixty
Speaker 2: and thirty five homers, Like, I think those guys are close.
Speaker 2: I just think that the floor with the stolen bases
Speaker 2: is going to help. And sal Stewart is not evened
Speaker 2: into hitting at home by the way, He's only hitting
Speaker 2: like two. He's hitting worse at home than on the road.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I did not think I was going to
Speaker 2: say that, but I'm going to go with sal Stewart
Speaker 2: on this one box and it is Razor razor thin close.
Speaker 3: I I think I'm gonna go the opposite way, which
Speaker 3: is not great for our first debate Pee Alonso. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean in South Stewart. And the reason I picked
Speaker 3: this one is because I was probably a little dismissive
Speaker 3: of Salz Stuart's hot start, and he's been really good.
Speaker 3: And this is kind of why I wanted to press,
Speaker 3: you know, because Peter Alonso is one of your upper
Speaker 3: excelon first basemen. Yeah, two eighty one for salth Stewart
Speaker 3: the first month and then two forty two forty eight
Speaker 3: in only two games this month, so who cares, But uh,
Speaker 3: you know, closer to two fifty. Pee Alonso has the
Speaker 3: opposite to start one ninety eight and then two seventy
Speaker 3: seven with seven homers in May and two seventy eight
Speaker 3: with eight Homers in June. So I just think that
Speaker 3: Pee Alonso has settled in here. I think the power
Speaker 3: for him absolutely plays. I do think that there's a possibility,
Speaker 3: like there's definitely more upside and more downside for salth Sort.
Speaker 3: So I'm just playing for floor, and the floor is
Speaker 3: really good with Pete Alonzo. I can give that in
Speaker 3: the past before and like I said, that first month
Speaker 3: really was bad for him in the next two months,
Speaker 3: but there there's savant pages are you know, Alonzo's looks
Speaker 3: a little better, but not by it a whole lot.
Speaker 3: So they're both really good options here. But and I
Speaker 3: wanted to admit that I was probably wrong about salth
Speaker 3: Sort about a month ago, but I would still take
Speaker 3: Petolanzo over him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't I have no issue if someone
Speaker 2: just said, like it's clearly Peter Alonzo, like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think he has established the floor, he owns the floor.
Speaker 2: It's elite Homers. We have to give him that type
Speaker 2: of credit and stuff. It's and I'm taking more of
Speaker 2: a risk. It's just that like RBIs could be a wash,
Speaker 2: Runs could be a wash. Homers could go slightly in
Speaker 2: favor of Tucker or even maybe a little bit more,
Speaker 2: but the stolen bases are so dramatically in For Sal Stewart,
Speaker 2: I think what my real risk is there is the
Speaker 2: batting average department, because if that batting average does deteriorate,
Speaker 2: then it's gonna be a problem. It's gonna affect everything else,
Speaker 2: and he's gonna become a lot less fantasy worthy. Where
Speaker 2: we just know pe Alonso is going to be a
Speaker 2: two fifty to two seventy guy with thirty five to
Speaker 2: forty homer like we just fifty homers is you know,
Speaker 2: potentially in tow but that right handed hitter side for
Speaker 2: in Baltimore is less hit or friendly. But he's just
Speaker 2: he's just such a good floor play. I'm just playing
Speaker 2: the ceiling play with more risk that I think. You know,
Speaker 2: you look at any player Raider. If if how I
Speaker 2: broke it out happens, I think Sal Stewart's gonna he
Speaker 2: will rank above pet Alonso and all of those. But
Speaker 2: it's a good one.
Speaker 3: How about this outfielder one, This one's gonna hurt Sam
Speaker 3: Antonacci versus Kyle Tucker. Now they're three hits different. Kyle
Speaker 3: Tucker has seventy hits. Antonaci has sixty seven. That's in
Speaker 3: two hundred ninety three abs for Tucker versus two hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty seven for Antonaci. So the difference is in
Speaker 3: two ninety five and two thirty nine batting average in
Speaker 3: Antonachi's favor. The runs are right in line, forty four
Speaker 3: for Antonacci, forty seven for Tucker, five homers for Antonacci,
Speaker 3: seven for Tucker, twenty three versus forty four. That's the
Speaker 3: big difference. Tucker leads an RBI by a ton, but
Speaker 3: only six swipes for Tucker and eleven for Antonaci. This one,
Speaker 3: probably on its surface, seems silly, but Antonaci's had a
Speaker 3: great year and Tucker has been so far down. Well,
Speaker 3: she what do we think about this? Am I way
Speaker 3: too far off? By pitting these two next to each other.
Speaker 2: Uh Now, I thinkues this is a good conversation. I
Speaker 2: think the names you picked, no human being is going
Speaker 2: to say, Sam Antonaci. I just think you picked too
Speaker 2: far off of God. I think that like this doesn't
Speaker 2: work on surface level, because like I'm not going to
Speaker 2: accept the trade to trade Mike Kyle Tucker for Sam Antonai.
Speaker 3: I won't hit that but that but that's just because
Speaker 3: of investment.
Speaker 2: It's not Jack, No, No, it's not just because of investment,
Speaker 2: like the well, because the thing I was going to
Speaker 2: say is like, yeah, this track record, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Like this year looks like the anomaly of Kyle Tucker
Speaker 2: because he's coming off of five straight seasons of double
Speaker 2: digit barrel percentages forty to forty seven percent hard hit rates,
Speaker 2: and those have decreased dramatically. He's got a five and
Speaker 2: a half percent barrel rate this year. Hard hit rate
Speaker 2: is under forty percent right now. His strikeout rate is
Speaker 2: the worst it's been since twenty twenty and stuff. But
Speaker 2: he's still getting the ball in the air. He's still
Speaker 2: you know, pulling the ball. He's got expected batting average
Speaker 2: that's better than where it's currently at. It's the most
Speaker 2: incredible lineup in baseball and stuff like that. So like
Speaker 2: it does feel like it's like a really weird anomaly
Speaker 2: going on with him. But let's not deny that he
Speaker 2: doesn't stink right now, Like he does stink and he
Speaker 2: is hitting only two fourteen at home, So what the
Speaker 2: hell is that about? But like the track record is
Speaker 2: like I wouldn't make that true, But what I think
Speaker 2: is interesting is you've made a case for a player
Speaker 2: that is performing at a relatively similar clip, Like, do
Speaker 2: this for me, what is the Yahoo rank between these
Speaker 2: two players right now? Okay, because, like I, this has
Speaker 2: to be in the favor in favor of Antonaci. And
Speaker 2: to the point, you've put together a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: that is close. The RBI is one you can't dismiss.
Speaker 2: I think that might be the one of the bigger problems.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, hey, Antonaci is just not like a
Speaker 2: guy that has sixty five RBI. You can't make the
Speaker 2: case that he's going to be better than a guy
Speaker 2: that that pernally goes for like one hundred hundred. But like,
Speaker 2: is he performing at eighty five percent of what Kyle
Speaker 2: Tucker on a decent Kyle Tucker season can he is?
Speaker 2: And I think these guys are close, And I think
Speaker 2: Points League people could make a bigger case that Antonaci's
Speaker 2: a strikeout rate and hits and he's expected batting average
Speaker 2: is better than his average. You know, like that he
Speaker 2: could be a bigger play, but he is just missing.
Speaker 2: He's missing the RBI front in favor of a few
Speaker 2: more stolen bases. But how different are they in Player.
Speaker 3: Raider only twenty spots. Kyle Tucker's ahead one thirty nine
Speaker 3: to one fifty nine.
Speaker 2: See and now think about that for a second. That's
Speaker 2: this version of kind of crappy Kyle Tucker. So that's why, like,
Speaker 2: you're just not gonna get there with Antonaci.
Speaker 3: Kyle Tucker has been moved down to seven in the
Speaker 3: batting order in the last couple of days. He's still
Speaker 3: has hit like yesterday he hits six. The day before
Speaker 3: he hit five, but he's been down at seven. He's
Speaker 3: been down at six a lot like they're moving him
Speaker 3: down in the order too, which is kind of not
Speaker 3: something you want to see, right, And Antonosti's is not
Speaker 3: gonna have the RBI because he usually hits one. Now
Speaker 3: he either hits one or nine, eight or seven. There's
Speaker 3: not a lot of wiggle room there for Antonacci. But
Speaker 3: you're right, it's definitely gonna be Kyle Tucker. But I
Speaker 3: think I think you are correct also in a points league.
Speaker 3: I think in points league, the the answer is probably Antonachi.
Speaker 2: I think you can make very specific Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: you could take the name brand of now. Now here's
Speaker 2: the more interesting way to approach this, then, is could
Speaker 2: you trade Kyle Tucker to get Antonachi plus and then
Speaker 2: is that worth it? And that's where now you've put
Speaker 2: an argument in if you're getting Sam Antonachi because this
Speaker 2: might sound just weird to people to hear like you're
Speaker 2: trading off of Kyle Tucker or what do I trade
Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker for? Well, this might have uncovered it. Go
Speaker 2: and get me Justin Robleski and Sam Antonaci, Like do
Speaker 2: you do that? Do you trade Kyle Tucker to get
Speaker 2: Robleski and Antonaci?
Speaker 3: If I need a starter, I think I'm doing that,
Speaker 3: especially if if I'm okay at your right, especially if
Speaker 3: I'm okay at the outfield spot and specifically with power right,
Speaker 3: if I'm low on sol and bases and runs and
Speaker 3: that's what I need and I can get a picture
Speaker 3: plus trade this, you know, dying elk off on my
Speaker 3: back in Kyle Tucker's terrible year this year, I think
Speaker 3: I'm probably doing that.
Speaker 2: How about Nolan McClain. He's had a little downturn that
Speaker 2: nets are bad right now. He's not in the same
Speaker 2: range like area is, like Chase Burns and stuff McLean
Speaker 2: and Antonacci for Kyle Tucker. I like that's the type.
Speaker 2: That's the type of thing I'm doing, and I think
Speaker 2: that's a good approach to it. All right, So we
Speaker 2: both at Kyle Tucker. But that's the approach for Antonacci.
Speaker 3: The next one is Coolson Montgomery, who is hitting two
Speaker 3: twenty one. He has forty forty runs, twenty one homers,
Speaker 3: forty nine rbi, and one swipe versus Gunner Henderson, who
Speaker 3: is hitting two twenty seven forty nine runs, so nine more,
Speaker 3: sixteen homers, five fewer, thirty nine rbi, ten fewer, but
Speaker 3: six to on basis, which is five more. So Coolson
Speaker 3: Montgomery versus Gunner Henderson, Well she is. It's just too
Speaker 3: easy Gunner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he did the same thing. I think
Speaker 2: it's almost the exact same story you did with the
Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker one. Coolson Montgomery is cool, he's lots of homers.
Speaker 2: I think he's being underrated. But on a surface level, well,
Speaker 2: you're just not going to trade a first round pick
Speaker 2: who's performing similarly as this other player for that player,
Speaker 2: Like that's that's what I'm getting. You can't trade that
Speaker 2: type of value. I still believe in Gunner, and I
Speaker 2: think some things are going to turn. I think and
Speaker 2: I think the same discussion happens in that, Like, if
Speaker 2: you want to trade Gunner, who do I target If
Speaker 2: you could get a Montgomery plus, That's kind of where
Speaker 2: I'm going Montgomery's profile. I mean, he could be a
Speaker 2: by the way, he could be a forty home run
Speaker 2: hitter at shortstop. But the batting average stinks, the XBA
Speaker 2: is worse. The strikeout rage, Oh yeah, he hits the
Speaker 2: ball hard, he barrels, he pulls the crap out of it.
Speaker 2: You you kind of love it, but he can't. He's
Speaker 2: not hitting fastballs well. And I think that, like if
Speaker 2: he was hitting like two eighty against fastballs and the
Speaker 2: other stuff was struggling, I'd be like, this is like
Speaker 2: two twenty three against fastballs and the XBA is worse
Speaker 2: two eight against breaking pitches. Xba's worse. It's all speed stuff.
Speaker 2: So like, I just don't think that's the type of
Speaker 2: guy that I'm trying to move off of, especially when
Speaker 2: the player I have steals more bases, way higher equity,
Speaker 2: and it's just performing the same. So this is just easily.
Speaker 2: This one is actually easier than the other one because
Speaker 2: you're not You didn't give me a guy in Montgomery
Speaker 2: that's hitting.
Speaker 3: Like two two eighty with these just got a lot
Speaker 3: of Montgomery has such a weird profile too, dude, Like
Speaker 3: ninety eight. He's in the ninety eight percentile in barrel,
Speaker 3: but in the bottom two percentile of whiffing, right, So, like,
Speaker 3: when he hits it, it goes far obviously in twenty
Speaker 3: one homers, but he is whiffing so much. He's like
Speaker 3: the Adam Dunn of shortstops right now. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm gonna go with Gunner pretty much on
Speaker 2: every ring here.
Speaker 3: Like, I are you less likely to do one of
Speaker 3: those moves where you trade Gunner and you get Montgomery
Speaker 3: plus than you would with Tucker versus Antonaci.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean, listen, I guess if
Speaker 2: somebody else I'm.
Speaker 3: Less likely to do the shortstop one than I am
Speaker 3: the outfielder one.
Speaker 2: If someone paired Montgomery with something nice. But my problem
Speaker 2: is is, like they're not going to again. These are
Speaker 2: two guys that are performing at it. They're both hitting
Speaker 2: under two thirty, you know, so it's like no one's
Speaker 2: going to be like, well, I'll give you Colson and
Speaker 2: I'll give you you know, it's.
Speaker 3: Just not going to be enough whatever the tack on is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not going to be like, I'll also give
Speaker 2: you Evaldi or you know, Foster Griffin. Like I think
Speaker 2: they're just going to be like, well, I'll give you
Speaker 2: Montgomery and then you know, you could have Ryan Weathers
Speaker 2: or Spencer Arraghetty or something like that. And it's just like,
Speaker 2: if you want to do that, I guess you can.
Speaker 2: If it's a deep, deep league. I would just rather
Speaker 2: if I have to make my bet, I'm gonna make
Speaker 2: my bet on Gunner Henderson. But that bet could be wrong,
Speaker 2: by the way, long term, just because he's not found
Speaker 2: a really great way to turn things around. His batting
Speaker 2: average is kind of sinking a little bit, but it's
Speaker 2: too straight of hitting two seventy five. Plus, he is
Speaker 2: having slight upticks every single month. His batting average has
Speaker 2: been higher than the previous one ninety in March to
Speaker 2: eighteen in April, two twenty five, in May, two forty
Speaker 2: five in June. Obviously it's very early in July, but
Speaker 2: he is technically hitting two fifty, so I'm easily gonna
Speaker 2: side I'm gonna Henderson here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't realize that Coles Montgomery hit one eighty
Speaker 3: six in June.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's unfortunately his thing, like people want to
Speaker 2: buy in. And if he was a two forty five
Speaker 2: hitter two fifty and he would be forty five plus homers,
Speaker 2: we would be talking about him probably in the second
Speaker 2: or third it'd be like a uh kosh Hoarber, you know,
Speaker 2: and then he might be the kash Horber shortstops long
Speaker 2: term two.
Speaker 3: We'll see, uh the third baseman one here Kaza Kamoto
Speaker 3: versus Alex Bragman. This one, this one, there's no denying that. Uh,
Speaker 3: there's a difference here forty four runs verus forty one
Speaker 3: nineteen homers though for Rakamoto, verse seven Megman twenty four
Speaker 3: more RBI for Akamodo, fifty four to thirty zero stole
Speaker 3: bases for Akamoto, two for Bregman. And they're both hitting
Speaker 3: two forty on the nose. So you know, Bregman obviously,
Speaker 3: like we said, you know, a big preseason by Akamoto,
Speaker 3: not so much. But this one is a Kamoto is
Speaker 3: well out performing Alex Bregman right now.
Speaker 2: Hmm, Yeah, I don't know. This is this is almost
Speaker 2: a pass one. So the quick here's a good quick
Speaker 2: answer for one of them is at points league. It's
Speaker 2: just still gonna be Bregman because Bregman still got that
Speaker 2: profile of like not striking out, and you know, he's
Speaker 2: walking a bunch. Things don't look as great. His xba's
Speaker 2: down a little bit, but it's a little bit better
Speaker 2: than where he's at. He's barreling less, he's hitting the
Speaker 2: ball less hard. You know, that stuff sucks. He's also,
Speaker 2: by the way, hitting like two o eight at home
Speaker 2: this year. That really sucks. Here's another weird one though
Speaker 2: a Kamoto is hitting only maybe it's not that weird,
Speaker 2: but he's in two oh seven on the road. But
Speaker 2: he's been an absolute homer demon and he's on the
Speaker 2: opposite and he strikes out like crazy. The reason I'm
Speaker 2: ooing and ayeing because I think if you look and
Speaker 2: you're just like, why are you owing an eye? It's
Speaker 2: nineteen homers from Okamo Akamoto. That's gonna be my answer
Speaker 2: because I think Bregman is empty Gregman, even if he
Speaker 2: turns it around, he sucks at home. He has not
Speaker 2: been able to find any He doesn't have a profile
Speaker 2: that screams there's gonna be big out power outputs. We
Speaker 2: know he kind of like can We've seen some history
Speaker 2: of it, but you know, ten homers, the rest of
Speaker 2: the way is like a tall ask. He doesn't steal
Speaker 2: bases that you know, maybe there's RBI and run opportunities.
Speaker 2: I'm taking on risk when I do that, though, because
Speaker 2: Acamoda also could fall the hell apart because they're breakout
Speaker 2: rates sucks. His XBA sucks. It's two twenty two. It's
Speaker 2: worse but great hard hit, he's barreling, pulls a living
Speaker 2: crap out of the ball. He has been able to
Speaker 2: kind of maintain the average, but I think there's a
Speaker 2: lot of risk worries, but I think the risk doesn't
Speaker 2: matter because Bregman is just not that good. So that's
Speaker 2: why I would take Alkamoto.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a Kamodo to eighteen in April, two ten
Speaker 3: in May, but two eighty six in June with seven homers.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Homers haven't batted five, seven and seven, right,
Speaker 3: so he just added way more singles in June. So
Speaker 3: but I'll take him man higher average for Rakamoto, he's
Speaker 3: playing better, he's in a good lineup, obviously hitting while
Speaker 3: at home, and Bregman just seems lost right now. So
Speaker 3: I do think this one's kind of easy. Now is
Speaker 3: this the bat signal of, Look, if you can trade
Speaker 3: Bregman to any of your Cubs fans in your league
Speaker 3: or something to get a pitcher or whatever, are you
Speaker 3: trying to do that.
Speaker 2: I don't think he has value.
Speaker 3: I do not.
Speaker 2: I don't think he had I mean, if someone wants
Speaker 2: to pay for him, great. I think you need Bregman
Speaker 2: to catch a little bit fire, and I think I think.
Speaker 3: That have really hot two weeks coming off the break
Speaker 3: or something. Then you have to have the discipline to
Speaker 3: not be like, oh, here we go. You gotta have
Speaker 3: the discipline to be like, I gotta get out now.
Speaker 3: And that's that's how I would approach Pregnant. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: not not a lot on third base to go replace him,
Speaker 3: so you know, you got to make sure you have
Speaker 3: another third baseman. So yeah, all right. Last one, Casey
Speaker 3: Mys versus read Debtmers. This one's a little different because, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, maz only has sixty five innings, but he
Speaker 3: also has three wins, which matches Debtmers because Deptmers plays
Speaker 3: for the Angels. Sixty eight strikeouts in those sixty five innings,
Speaker 3: two sixty three ra and a point ninety seven whip.
Speaker 3: Debtmer's ninety nine point two innings also only the three wins,
Speaker 3: but one hundred and twelve strikeouts, three point eight eight ERA,
Speaker 3: which is about one point two five higher, and a
Speaker 3: one point oh six whip, which isn't that bad. But uh,
Speaker 3: it was actually really good. But it just doesn't match
Speaker 3: Casey Mice a point ninety seven. Mice obviously doesn't have
Speaker 3: the innings, but he has looked better recently. So, oh,
Speaker 3: we both kind of expect Deptmers to move, you know,
Speaker 3: in the trade deadline. It would be very smart for
Speaker 3: the Angels to take advantage of his good season and
Speaker 3: get to a better team that'll get him more wins.
Speaker 3: So does that, But Casey Mees has been great recently.
Speaker 3: So what are your thoughts on MAZ for Stepmers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something I want to take a look at,
Speaker 2: because I think I said this the other day. Casey
Speaker 2: Mice is the Luis Garcia of pitchers in that he
Speaker 2: has quietly just had a bonker season, Like it's actually shocking.
Speaker 2: He's got a two six three ERA better than Debtmers.
Speaker 2: His expected ERA is better than Debtmers at two eight two.
Speaker 2: It goes along with a twenty six point nine percent
Speaker 2: K percentage and a five percent walk rate. And I
Speaker 2: don't believe the K percentage is but yeah, twenty seven
Speaker 2: point six for Debtmers, seven point six for Debtmer's walk rates.
Speaker 2: So Debtmers between those four stats only has a higher
Speaker 2: K percentage, but it's not by a lot. And Detmars
Speaker 2: has just seen improvements. What I want to look at
Speaker 2: real quick before I answer this, well, I'll give you
Speaker 2: the answer. My answer I think is still debt MERSK
Speaker 2: and I think that could be wrong, by the way,
Speaker 2: but I I've kind of held on to Debtmers because
Speaker 2: of the elite strike stuff. He did have a little
Speaker 2: blip where to be fair, mis, I don't even think
Speaker 2: has had any real blippy. He had one blippy game
Speaker 2: in April. Since then, yeah, it's well, I mean Yankees,
Speaker 2: he gave up four, but he struck out six. Like
Speaker 2: I think he's been good and but there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of injury history. But I'm gonna go with Debtmer's
Speaker 2: long term. But I want to look at the stuff.
Speaker 2: So the stuff numbers. Here's red Debtmers. Every single pitch,
Speaker 2: the five pitches he throws has one hundred or of
Speaker 2: better stuff plus. His fastball is one oh three, but
Speaker 2: that is down from the previous year. Sinkers one hundred
Speaker 2: down from the previous year, but it's still there. Sliders
Speaker 2: won ten down from previous year, curveball one o two
Speaker 2: the same, and his change up though is improved from
Speaker 2: one oh two to ninety five. Interestingly enough, though all
Speaker 2: of his his overall stuff plus location, pitching plus, they
Speaker 2: are down from last year, but now the results are there.
Speaker 2: So that's one of those things where like like his
Speaker 2: stuff location and plus and pitching plus numbers or absurd
Speaker 2: last year, you would think this is an elite pitcher
Speaker 2: didn't get there, but then it got here this year,
Speaker 2: So just maybe like a future forecast. Last year one
Speaker 2: fifteen stuff plus one eleven location and one twenty three
Speaker 2: pitching plus holy crap, but he wasn't good last year.
Speaker 2: This year one oh five stuff plus one oh eight location,
Speaker 2: one ten pitching still good. But you can't get hung
Speaker 2: up on the downs from last year because they're all
Speaker 2: still really good. So that's my case on debt meers
Speaker 2: on casey myiz fastball, he has five pitches as well,
Speaker 2: only one is one hundred or higher. Fastball is one
Speaker 2: hundred versus ninety seven last year. His sinker is down
Speaker 2: ninety three from one hundred. His I think this is
Speaker 2: his splitter eighty seven ninety five last year, sliders a
Speaker 2: seventy eight. It sucks, and his curveball is an eighty
Speaker 2: nine one oh three last year. His stuff plus is
Speaker 2: down to a ninety. His location is one oh seven,
Speaker 2: and his pitching plus is ninety eight. Everything is down
Speaker 2: except the location. A could be a little bit of
Speaker 2: marker to knock on stuff plus when a guy is
Speaker 2: a two adra and everything looks like it sucks, But
Speaker 2: it's also potentially telling us the story of a guy
Speaker 2: that is a little bit more overperforming than even what
Speaker 2: expected numbers are putting out there. He's making the best
Speaker 2: of those pitches, which he is clearly locating better than ever,
Speaker 2: and it is making them more efficient. I'm just not
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of buyer there. The stuff numbers are
Speaker 2: telling a kind of weird story. But I don't think
Speaker 2: there's a wrong answer here because they're both good. I
Speaker 2: just think Readebtmers is maybe a better long term strikeout option.
Speaker 2: He has way way better stuff. I'm betting on his
Speaker 2: stuff maintaining than Casey Mays, who has below average stuff
Speaker 2: that is really really peaking right now with great location.
Speaker 3: So is there a spot that Casey or Casey that
Speaker 3: read Detmers can get traded to where you you're like, eh,
Speaker 3: this is a big enough hit to where I really
Speaker 3: I wouldn't like it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if any of that, but I mean
Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't love the the A's or the reds.
Speaker 2: That wouldn't be great, but I don't.
Speaker 3: I if not, But there's no spot that you would say.
Speaker 2: That would make me take Now Casey mies over, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think so.
Speaker 2: He sounds like, are you Casey Island?
Speaker 3: No, I I do really like Casey Mice. No, it's
Speaker 3: not like it's really the the injury that he's already
Speaker 3: had that bothers me. And it wasn't an arm injury,
Speaker 3: which is good for a picture. Was an abductor or
Speaker 3: abductor or whatever thigh something. So not too worried about that.
Speaker 3: They're both really good. I think I want to, honestly, like,
Speaker 3: I want to acquire either one of these guys, because
Speaker 3: I do think were Debtors moves and you know Ghost
Speaker 3: too team that's going to get more wins of Washington
Speaker 3: maybe something. You know, there's plenty of places that could
Speaker 3: use him right now, so I do think he gets
Speaker 3: moved and is in a better spot for wins. And
Speaker 3: you know, it's not like the Tigers are great right now,
Speaker 3: so uh, Casey Mice is good, but I think Casey
Speaker 3: Mice is more something to look for in the future.
Speaker 3: And honestly, i'd probably want to trade for either one
Speaker 3: of these guys. I think they're both pretty good. But
Speaker 3: I think the points that you laid out are pretty good,
Speaker 3: and it's it is debt merce dept. Mas just looks
Speaker 3: super strong this year.
Speaker 2: I do think I'm a sell on to Casey Mice, though,
Speaker 2: like I would love to get out from because I
Speaker 2: think it's just poor stuff plus numbers that you know,
Speaker 2: and that could be wrong. By the way, like this
Speaker 2: happens all the time, Like I have not heard, so
Speaker 2: you know, don't kill me if this has been said,
Speaker 2: But like I would assume like someone like you know,
Speaker 2: might look at this, see those stuff plus numbers in
Speaker 2: the decrease, see the production and be like, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is a guy I think I'm selling. Like I kind
Speaker 2: of agree with that, Like I think it's like down
Speaker 2: ish stuff over from an overall perspective that if he
Speaker 2: hits a blip, it's not look great. Plus, you know Tigers,
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're going to look like, but
Speaker 2: you guys let us know. I'd be curious where you
Speaker 2: guys on that with those player debates. Lastly, here Bogs,
Speaker 2: it is our two starts. Take a look at the
Speaker 2: two start map. Here your highly owned guys, your big
Speaker 2: name players. You have some of the big dogs in
Speaker 2: they're not even worth really a conversation. But Misowski, Wheelers, Skeins,
Speaker 2: Chris Sanches, Schlitler, to Graham, Scooble and Brian wu are
Speaker 2: all scheduled.
Speaker 3: For two starts.
Speaker 2: That's a great week ahead if that does keep going.
Speaker 2: So let's pick out a few more. Max Meyer, Uh,
Speaker 2: he's got the two starts. It's Cleveland and Mariners. It's
Speaker 2: probably just belongs to too good. I don't care. See McClanahan,
Speaker 2: I was like, oo, here we go. He's gonna they're
Speaker 2: gonna kind of rest him and all that, and then
Speaker 2: he goes out and throws a gym. He does have
Speaker 2: the Yankees and the Mariners as a two start. I
Speaker 2: thought maybe the pitch count might also be lower. Nothing
Speaker 2: to react to, but just you know, putting it out there,
Speaker 2: Kevin Goss, how about Freddy Peralta. Freddy Perlta has the
Speaker 2: Braves and the Red Sox. Are you gonna not start him?
Speaker 3: Dude? He sucks right now? Wait, like, if you have
Speaker 3: other okay starters and and specifically and I head to
Speaker 3: head and Freddy Peralta has a chance to ruin your week,
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna try to bench him. He's been miserable.
Speaker 2: I would bench him in the Braves game. But if
Speaker 2: you're playing, I guess what I was marketing at is,
Speaker 2: if you're in a weekly lineup league, you see two starts,
Speaker 2: you always want to maximize on it. Are you gonna
Speaker 2: bench him because of the brave start and not have
Speaker 2: him pitch either of those? Because you have to make
Speaker 2: that decision in a weekly Uh? In a weekly lineup league?
Speaker 3: I think let me look at his game log. Let's
Speaker 3: see five and run then five and two thirds, no
Speaker 3: earn but three giving up ten to one six one.
Speaker 3: He's a land mine, dude. I'm trying to avoid starring
Speaker 3: Freddy until after the break.
Speaker 2: Ye, I mean honestly, might just be better staying in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Braves can go and trade for him or something and
Speaker 2: try to fix them. Seriously, Uh, you got Will Warren.
Speaker 2: I think that's a fine start. Jose Soriano has got
Speaker 2: the Rangers and the Twins. I think that's a fine
Speaker 2: spot for Yeah, he has, but it's a fine spot
Speaker 2: for him. Boz has got the Cubs and the Royals.
Speaker 2: I think that's solid high ownership here. Joe Cantillo has
Speaker 2: got the Twins and the Marlins. Both road games though,
Speaker 2: but I like that. Seventy on CBS though, Noah Cameron,
Speaker 2: Phillies and Orioles pass.
Speaker 3: He's been bad.
Speaker 2: I think that's a pass for me. Andrew Abbott Phillies
Speaker 2: and Cubs.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Phillies just rock Skien, so I don't
Speaker 3: really want any part of them.
Speaker 2: So I don't really love that.
Speaker 3: Didn't the Cubs just put up twenty three runs? Yeah,
Speaker 3: pass on.
Speaker 2: Andrew abbit landon route has got the Blue Jays and
Speaker 2: the Rockies. I think we're good there. Rockies is at
Speaker 2: home too, so I like that mine. Matthew Boyd, there
Speaker 2: are still some high percentages. He's got the Orioles and
Speaker 2: the Reds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm okay with boy, probably.
Speaker 2: Fine, Dustin May. Dustin May got lit up in his
Speaker 2: last start, Brewers and Braves absolutely not.
Speaker 3: Last couple starts too for Dustin May, not just his
Speaker 3: last one. So well, he's really heading downhill.
Speaker 2: He had that nine inning one and then I kind
Speaker 2: of made the excuse of the start after might have been,
Speaker 2: you know, the fatigue, and then he got rocked again.
Speaker 2: So that's a note for me. Dog Michael mcgree he's
Speaker 2: also got the same lineup. I don't think that's what
Speaker 2: I want to deal with, Bryce Elder, Pirates and Cardinals anything,
Speaker 2: probably not all right. And then let's just here's the
Speaker 2: fifty under fifty percent guys. Ian Seymour has got the
Speaker 2: Yankees and the Mariners.
Speaker 3: All of those matchups. But Ian Seymour had a really
Speaker 3: good start last time out, so I'm willing to roll him.
Speaker 2: I am too. Walker Bueller's got the Diamondbacks though, and
Speaker 2: the Blue.
Speaker 3: Jays no no thing.
Speaker 2: He had been good five straight before that.
Speaker 3: Nope, I was gonna do it.
Speaker 2: I might if I was desperate.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: Okay, how about this Walker Buehler versus the Diamondbacks or
Speaker 2: Blue Jays or Zach Gallon versus the Padres and Walker
Speaker 2: Walker Yep, can I tell you my buddy got got on?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Uh, I saw the another graphic already know it. I
Speaker 2: know almost it's the one. And so the Diamondbacks designated
Speaker 2: Gallon designated Michael.
Speaker 3: Merrill Kelly, Yeah, buddy, Joe just sent me a text.
Speaker 3: He's like, left, g thank god, we're cutting the fat here,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, yeah, I don't think this is real, dude.
Speaker 2: I saw it and then I took three seconds to
Speaker 2: look at it and realize it wasn't true.
Speaker 3: But it was like, what the great job, dude. It
Speaker 3: was a really good graphic, it was, but it was
Speaker 3: actually done graphic.
Speaker 2: It was the problem was it was all the Diamondbacks
Speaker 2: that people are pissed off about. So it was also
Speaker 2: Peven Smith and it was.
Speaker 3: Like fine getting called up. There was there was no
Speaker 3: other graphic of these guys are the ones replacing them.
Speaker 2: I did not get got because of that, but for
Speaker 2: a second I hesitated. Randy Vasquez got the Diamondbacks in
Speaker 2: the Blue Jays, He's gonna get Zach Gallon, so it's
Speaker 2: a good win opportunity for him. Pass uh Raynaldo Lopez
Speaker 2: Mets and Cardinals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Springs at Detroit and at Chicago White Sox Detroit
Speaker 2: don't matchups.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a picture that I put more
Speaker 3: on the s starts than Jeffrey Springs. This year, he's
Speaker 3: been he's had some horrorrrific start so big pass, no,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm down with that. The rest here you've got
Speaker 2: Noah Schultz, Connor pre Lip, Trevor McDonald, Michael Burrows, Brandon Fought,
Speaker 2: Kyle Freeland, Michael Lorenzen. I could get down with pre
Speaker 2: Lip because I think Prelip shows those signs.
Speaker 3: Of life at ten Cards the other day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Guardians and Angels. I like him, he's only twenty
Speaker 2: one percent own. I don't think I want to mess
Speaker 2: with a lot of these others, like Fought. Maybe he
Speaker 2: had a really nice outing in his return, but it's
Speaker 2: Padres and Dodgers next week, like he's gonna blow up.
Speaker 3: I like the Schultz schedule. I just don't like Schultz.
Speaker 2: So maybe the Fought versus the Padres is the one.
Speaker 2: I'm not starting him in LA, but maybe the last
Speaker 2: time out.
Speaker 3: But I just can't make me nauseous.
Speaker 2: All right, there you go. That's two starts, two start pitchers.
Speaker 2: I think that's where we're heading out there. You guys
Speaker 2: have a fantastic weekend. Oh you know what, I forgot.
Speaker 2: We have to get out of here, but we'll have
Speaker 2: to do it on Monday. We did have the Grim Reaper, okay,
Speaker 2: one after one of the last episode, and then I
Speaker 2: think it got caught in the muck because an episode
Speaker 2: had already been released. I just remembered it. But we'll
Speaker 2: do it on Monday because it is a holiday weekend
Speaker 2: and I have birthdays to celebrate for my daughter and
Speaker 2: my wife. So it's going to be a really easy
Speaker 2: weekend on me, guys. But I hope you guys have
Speaker 2: a fantastic weekend. Join some if you get time off
Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, lock into some baseball, and then
Speaker 2: next week we're going to be diving in. We've got
Speaker 2: MLB All Star Break, we got our second half draft
Speaker 2: coming up. I will be doing. I actually have to
Speaker 2: have to get this weekend. I got to get a
Speaker 2: updated ranks prospect one up, and then we are going
Speaker 2: to talk about the draft prospects from a more of
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