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hill vial and they shine.

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Speaker 1: Bigfoot came laughing with a beard in his hand.

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screen doors, rattling church fells, ringing, Billy nay shove, Raise that.

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Speaker 6: That name.

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Speaker 1: In the aliens of bars. We ain't running nowhere.

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Speaker 6: We just showed and cheer.

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Speaker 2: Fourth of July thunder comes once a year.

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Speaker 3: Let the whole world know this weird net circus Gon

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Speaker 1: He'll bally Nation Shine raise that flame. He'll belly nation shine,

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call that name. Go summer past.

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Speaker 7: Happy two one hundred and fiftieth birthday America. Happy for Kiglai.

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I hope everybody had a good time. I hope everybody

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still has all their fingers, and I hope everybody had

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good barbecue. It was indeed a good weekend, and I

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to everybody who wish me a happy birthday. Are lying

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my birthday which Julitha and many, many many of you

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wish be happy birthday, And from the bottom of my heart,

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I am truly truly grateful. Thank you guys so much.

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Y'all may it very special. I don't have a lot

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to touch up on. In eight that's pretty much it.

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so once again, Happy birthday, Tracy. Happy birthday to all

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the July babies. While we're at her, so let's get

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on to this week's episode. This week's episode is the

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ASTech UFO incident. Jerry and Tracy discussed whether an Aztech

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crash of a UFO was a hoax or elaborate cover up.

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The host of Our Strange Guide, Rob Christofferson, stops by

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to talk about the UFOs with Carrie and Tracy. Enjoy

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take care of each other.

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law watch as we slide heavy, normal, just hit the lights,

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Horror Stories. I'm Jerry and I'm joined by my lovely

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Speaker 14: Hey, guys, hope you had a great weekend.

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Speaker 13: And man, if you guys are into bigfoot stories, this

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military and civil servants all around the world, no matter

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which country you represent, her work for. Thank you, guys,

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the other day. It was a lady who was trying

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Speaker 6: Because she said that that was discriminatory against women.

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Speaker 13: We had several problems with an entity not allowing her

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Speaker 6: So Jen calls to tell us her story.

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house where this so called entity is, just to be

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Speaker 13: And when we called her, she was like, I'd already

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there was no big foot in this story, and uh,

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Speaker 6: What takes a unique story for me to do it.

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Speaker 13: But what we have on tonight's show is actually about

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the Aztec UFO incident, which to me is more UFO

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slash cover up related conspiracy theory type stuff than it

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is just UFO crash. That's the part that I really

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like about this story. Also on tonight's show, we have

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Chris Kerstopherson on the show. He wrote me and Bobby McGee, well,

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who's on the show.

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Speaker 14: Then it's not Chris Christofferson. Is he good?

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Speaker 6: Well, hope not. I just did an interview with him.

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Speaker 14: Oh I think he did that.

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Speaker 6: Though I don't think Chris Christopherson is dead.

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Speaker 14: Who's the interview with Rob Christopherson? Oh my gosh, I

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cannot say that word. Rob Christopherson. Oh my gosh, what

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can I say his name?

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Speaker 6: I don't know, but I'm highly disappointed. Now, So what

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Speaker 14: He came on your show.

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Speaker 6: We're just playing with Rob.

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Speaker 13: Rob is actually uh, he's got a show out and

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week's show, awesome show, he breaks down UFO stuff without going,

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Speaker 6: A story like we're going to do tonight.

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Speaker 13: He just basically breaks a lot of stuff down and

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makes the average person who may not know a lot

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know because he breaks it all down to work and

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anybody can understand that he does. But he came on

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the show fantastic interview and like I said, I like

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giving him some crap, but it's definitely Rob Christofferson.

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Speaker 6: It's you're you're y eer UFO guy on Twitter.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's very interesting what he had to say.

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Speaker 6: So have you listened to an interview?

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Speaker 10: Stop it?

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Speaker 14: Yes?

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Speaker 11: I have.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so let's jump right into here.

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Speaker 13: And mentioned that Our Strange Skies is actually part of

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the Dark Myths collective, which a lot of great shows.

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which you heard the promo for earlier. Now, before we

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get into the tonight's show, we actually do have a

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Speaker 6: Look. I found this absolutely fascinating.

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Speaker 13: And the reason I did these stories because when I

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got through talking to Rob, it's like, Hey, I'd really

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like to do a UFO story that most people won't

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know about. Everybody knows Roswell. This is actually really close

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to Roswell time and location wise, And he said hey.

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the end he was like, hey, have you ever heard

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of the Aztec UFO crash? And I'm like, no, never

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heard of it. He said, dig into it. I think

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you'll find it fascinating. And I can tell you this

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for somebody who's not really that big on UFO stuff,

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I probably went down more rabbit holes with this story

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than any story we've ever looked into.

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Speaker 6: And you rabbit hole well, because you.

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Speaker 13: Know rabbit holes are built for one and that would

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have been two So I don't know. I don't know

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if you know the rules or rabbit holes, and plus

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you don't like carrots or salary, and you gotta like

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salary to go down a rabbit hole.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I think it's state law anyways.

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Speaker 13: So so roph tells me this story, and I sent

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robi message on Twitter later in the week.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, basically, damn you.

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Speaker 13: Because I spent so much time looking at all these

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many different angles on this thing that this if we

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ever did a show that would have been two parts,

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it would have been this one.

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Speaker 6: But I'm not going to do that. I decided to.

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Speaker 13: I guess readers, digest, compress it, and try to get

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it all in there so I think you'll get the

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gist of it. I could really be really boring with

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this by going into a lot of details, and I'm

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going to try not to do that. So that was

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my goal is let me give you enough details without

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Speaker 6: Because this thing was like follow the.

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Speaker 10: Bouncing ball, oh yeah, and.

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Speaker 13: It's so many twists and turns and that's what makes

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Speaker 6: Now everybody knows about Rosbey.

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Speaker 13: So the story is, and I'm going to just be

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really brief with this and then we're going to get

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into details. But the story is that there were three

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different radar units that were set up at three different

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locations in New Mexico. One of them actually had this

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abnormally strong radar, which radars are all microwaves, so you

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could just think about what microwaves do your food, so

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you know what this will do with all these radars

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are basically made of microwaves. One of them was super

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strong and it had some type of effect I guess

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on a UFO that was coming by, and it kind

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of maybe knocked out the central system control system and

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this thing immediately went haywire, making the flat an object

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go out of control. It crashes on the MESA right

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there in Aztec, New Mexico. There were sixteen bodies found

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on board aliens. Aliens well, I mean I doubt that

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Speaker 14: Oh my god, how exciting.

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Speaker 13: So all the rest of the story, though, is absolutely fascinating.

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on this thing, I'm still kind of on the fence

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as to what I believe about it. And I wouldn't

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have thought that as much recent such as I did,

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I wouldn't have at least picked a side.

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Speaker 14: But a die.

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Speaker 6: Can we get into the story? But yes, they were

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all dead?

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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, let's get in.

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Speaker 13: So the first thing was I had to figure out

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was this a hoax? Because for years that was the thought.

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a huge cover up. Well, that's the other side of

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the fence to be on. So I'll tell you what

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own decisions. This story can be very confusing depending on

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what side you choose to.

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Speaker 6: View it from.

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Speaker 13: So let's cover the hoax at first. Frank Sculling, which

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don't know, but the X Files was Scully and Molder.

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I'm pretty sure they probably came up with her name

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based on this guy. Too much of a coincidence, but

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Frank Scully was a very famous writer at this time.

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Speaker 6: He was an accomplished writer. He wrote for a variety.

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Speaker 13: Which was I guess a newspaper at the time. He

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eventually wrote a book in nineteen fifty that had four

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eyewitness accounts, but most people just to full, you know,

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assumed he's full of crap.

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Speaker 6: So here's the story.

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Speaker 13: According to Skully's informants, this silver disc actually landed on

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the Mesa and was basically just under one hundred feet,

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which I think is funny because it was ninety nine

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point nine to nine feet and if you're listening outside

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of the United States, that's about thirty point five meters.

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Speaker 14: How you gonna act like, you know what meters are?

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Speaker 6: I looked it up out.

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Speaker 14: Well, I was gonna say, you did not know.

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Speaker 13: That it was made of a light metal that kind

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of resembled aluminum, and it was so durable though, that

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no amount of heat would actually damage it. They used

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up to ten thousand degrees fifty five hundred celsius to

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the same no kind of damage was done. They even

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tried to drill it with a diamond tipped drill.

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Speaker 13: And if you're in a foreign country, it's a diamond

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Speaker 6: Sorry force habit.

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Speaker 13: So it had these It had these large metal rings

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on the inside of it that revolved around like a

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central stabilized cabin and it had this very unfamiliar gear ratio.

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Speaker 6: To what anybody had seen. So this is how the

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Speaker 13: It was this thing and these rings inside, like a

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magnetic type situation, would spin and somehow another that was

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Speaker 5: Oh it's.

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Speaker 13: There were no rivets, there were no boats, no screws,

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no sign of welding. This was one continuous piece of

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metal as it looked from the outside. So the only

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damage that they could see was there was a crack.

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Speaker 6: So there was a porthole.

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Speaker 13: But after making this crack that they seen that they're

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kind of making it a little bit bigger. They could

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look into it and see there was a knob on

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the inside. So they had a pole they inserted it

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into the hole and pushed the knob. This caused a

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hidden door to open up. They found sixteen small humanoid

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bodies inside the aircraft. They ranged in height from thirty

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six to forty two inches and six centimeters. They were

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they were they were dead bodies, and they were all

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burned to a dark brown color. All So Scully was

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actually told that the aircraft was undamaged primarily because it

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landed under its own control.

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Speaker 6: So this was not like a crash. This was like

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a soft.

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Speaker 14: Landing, so nothing like on the inside was.

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Speaker 13: No there was no damage to the inside whatsoever. So

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this is where once again the microwave thing maybe comes in,

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which I don't know.

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Speaker 14: So you think that's what killed the aliens in.

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you know, or maybe maybe the fracture caused some kind

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of air inside And I don't know, no idea whatsoever

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on that part. So investigators actually discovered that it was

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manufactured in segments. Once they actually started digging into it.

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and then underneath it the base that they were all

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lifted it out of the saucer. There was a gear

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around the cabin which fit into a gear that was

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on the ship, so that's where the I guess the

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gear that for the functions and stuff was on the outside,

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Speaker 6: Been spending around.

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Speaker 13: All the segments and the bodies were transported to Wright

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Patterson Air Force Base, which is in Dayton, Ohio. You're

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close to where our live show will be. What we're

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our boys from Brohio are nice. Some of the bodies

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were later examined by the Air Force, who said that

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they were similar to humans, with the exception get this,

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See why is this considered a hoax? Well, Scully admits

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that the bulk of his information for this book came

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from two sources, Silas Newton and a doctor. G will

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call him and we're going to get way more into

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this stuff a little more. This is just the basically

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the story. Silas Newton is described in a nineteen forty

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one FBI report as a wholly unethical businessman. Doctor G,

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which I said we would get into, is the name

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given to supposedly eight different scientists. It was like a

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collective name, so he called doctor G. But it was

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really eight scientists, but to protect their names, he just

476
00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:08,559
used that all of whom gained various details to Newton

477
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,839
and Skully. So these scientists all supposedly had been there.

478
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,160
They give the information to Silas and Newton, and he

479
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,119
wrote the book about it. Now, most say that doctor

480
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,279
G was not eight scientists, but a man by the

481
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:20,759
name of.

482
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:24,039
Speaker 6: Leo Jabbauer who was.

483
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,039
Speaker 13: About as unethical as Silas Newton according to everybody else.

484
00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 6: So you know, right.

485
00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 13: So, during the late forties and early fifties, Silence and

486
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:39,839
Leo actually traveled through Aztec attempting to sell these devices

487
00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:46,039
known as doodlebugs, which that sounds you know, nice and professional. Well,

488
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:50,240
these devices supposedly used alien technology to locate oil, gas,

489
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,920
and gold. So supposedly the technology came from the information

490
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,960
from these scientists, so they used these to make these divice.

491
00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:04,519
Now they were selling these detector type of devices for

492
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,559
eighteen thousand, five hundred dollars, but unfortunately you could buy

493
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,680
these same devices in like a surplus store for three

494
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,519
dollars and fifty cents.

495
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:14,039
Speaker 14: Yeah, my gosh.

496
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 13: So this alien technology came from the crash in Aztec, supposedly.

497
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 6: Now JP Kahan, who's a writer for the.

498
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 13: San Francisco Chronicle at the time, he asked for a

499
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,799
piece of the metal so he could research it, and

500
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,759
he determined that it was just an ordinary piece of aluminum,

501
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,039
or if you're in England, aluminium aluminium. In nineteen forty nine,

502
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,359
Scully started publishing a whole bunch of different columns with

503
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,279
these stories on the crash of Aztec as told by

504
00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:47,720
Silas and Leo. He later used these columns to decide

505
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:51,480
to write his book Behind the Flying Saucers. Now Con

506
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:53,680
exposed this as a hoax in nineteen fifty two to

507
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:56,759
nineteen fifty three with two articles that he wrote from

508
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:59,079
True Magazine. And we're going to get into a little

509
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:01,319
more about Con in his involvement of this. He even

510
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,599
went as far as to write Jay Edgar Hoover a

511
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,880
letter about all this before he wrote his articles. Who

512
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,000
was in Jadegar Hoover was head of the FBI, so

513
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,559
he wanted to make sure that this was got you know,

514
00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:18,119
was out there. So one of the people and then

515
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,960
I mentioned I might have jumped place, but he wrote

516
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,359
these two articles in True Magazine is where he wrote

517
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,039
them to expose him. Now, one of the people that

518
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,880
was duped in this whole thing by buying one of

519
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,240
these what they call Tuoner's doodle bugs, was a guy

520
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:35,480
by the name of Hermann Flatter. He was a millionaire

521
00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:38,519
from Denver, and he pressed charges in Silas and Leo

522
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:44,480
were actually convicted of fraud related charges. So then after

523
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:48,400
that everybody called the case of hoax. So we see

524
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,000
what's going on. Let's rehash this a little bit. So

525
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:53,240
this guy writes a book he tells about the crash.

526
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,680
He was told about the crash from these two guys

527
00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:58,920
and supposedly eight scientists, which most people think it was

528
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,519
just these two guys. And these guys were trying to

529
00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:05,400
sell stuff that they said was made from alien technology

530
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,920
to help you find oil and stuff, and was making

531
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,000
a fortune off of it.

532
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:11,519
Speaker 6: So how credible were these guys.

533
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:14,359
Speaker 13: Plus these guys already had a rap sheet for going

534
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,480
back and duping people for even years before that.

535
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:19,799
Speaker 14: So I guess nobody knew that.

536
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 13: I mean, I guess some people did, but it's not

537
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,079
like they had the Internet to look stuff up. We

538
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:29,279
were talking about nineteen forty eight to fifty. So it

539
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,440
just makes sense that there's no reason to believe any

540
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,759
of this because the two guys that were behind the story,

541
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,279
and at this point everything we had was based on

542
00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:39,000
these two guys. They were con men that were duping people,

543
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,240
and it was all hinged on the fact that I'm

544
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,559
saying they had this alien technology. So that would make

545
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:48,000
sense that since their doodle bugs were fake to begin

546
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:50,799
with to most people, then obviously they were just lying.

547
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 14: Well they should have pulled out one of those little

548
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:54,640
alien dudes and said.

549
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,319
Speaker 13: See, well they didn't have one of the alien dudes.

550
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:58,680
They were selling doodlebugs, not alien dudes.

551
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,079
Speaker 6: So there we go. Problem solved. It's a hoax.

552
00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 14: It's not good.

553
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 13: It's not necessarily true though, that this was a hoax,

554
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:16,000
because first of all, we talked about Kahn actually writing

555
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:19,680
the articles to disprove this and expose them as a hoax.

556
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,480
There's a lot of people that actually say that he

557
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,839
was pissed off because he wanted the story and to

558
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,400
want to run it into San Francisco Chronicle. They chose

559
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,759
to turn around and give it to Scully, who then

560
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:36,200
wrote a book about it. So they think that maybe

561
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,039
just because of a case of sour grapes, basically he

562
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:41,200
turned around and wrote.

563
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,559
Speaker 6: These articles exposing them.

564
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:45,559
Speaker 13: So the story actually stayed dormant for years, but in

565
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,200
nineteen eighty six, so keep in mind, this was like

566
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:50,279
nineteen fifty three when it was exposed as a hoax,

567
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:52,640
So you're basically looking at thirty three years later. In

568
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,240
nineteen eighty six, a guy named William Steinmann and Wendell Stevens,

569
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,400
they actually wrote a book called UFO Crash in aztect

570
00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:04,640
In nineteen ninety eight, Linda mutan Howe, who actually she's

571
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,119
a UFO expert and she was also a regular on

572
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,279
Art Bells show that we've talked about Coast to Coast

573
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,160
on here so long she's been on there, and she

574
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:17,960
actually said that she had government documents that proved the

575
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,599
Asztec crash. So now thirty some years later, this thing

576
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,160
is starting to grow legs with the book that Stimon

577
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,680
and Stevens wrote, and with muton Howe actually coming on

578
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,519
and saye, we got stuff. So the years have passed,

579
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,000
more and more evidence has actually come out to suggest

580
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:39,720
that maybe there is a lot more truth to the

581
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:41,880
story than many thought originally.

582
00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 6: And that's where we're going to pick up.

583
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,319
Speaker 14: I know this is dumb to say, but isn't it

584
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:49,160
weird that just people will pick up something that happened

585
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,039
thirty years ago. Most people are just.

586
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 6: Like, well, and that's the whole thing, and that's what

587
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,759
people would hope. But sometimes these.

588
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 14: Things just diat down and again, so.

589
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 6: Let's go back a little bit.

590
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,839
Speaker 13: And start talking about what has come up since then

591
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,599
that leads people to believe that maybe this was a.

592
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:11,359
Speaker 6: Giant cover up.

593
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:13,759
Speaker 13: So in nineteen seventy four, there was a professor by

594
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:16,599
the name of John Spencer Carr. Now, part of this

595
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,880
evidence included testimony from a senior US Air Force officer

596
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:27,039
that was supposedly involved in the UFO retrieval. The FBI

597
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,519
was definitely interested in what Silas Newton actually had to

598
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:35,400
say about the whole incident, especially you know, considering that.

599
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:36,599
Speaker 6: They deemed it to be a hoax.

600
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:39,599
Speaker 13: On March eighth, nineteen fifty, Newton did a lecture at

601
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:43,400
the Denver University. Now he was actually billed there as

602
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,640
scientist X, not as Silas Newton. The lecture was actually

603
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,359
attended by the FBI, or at least monitored by the FBI,

604
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:56,279
because they released an urgent teletype on March ninth from

605
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:59,640
the Denver FBI office. Oh so it just kind of

606
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:03,519
lets you believe that maybe there was more to it.

607
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,559
So why are they monitoring what he has to say

608
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:05,960
about it?

609
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 14: Exactly?

610
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 13: So here's what the actual teletype said. Two sources advised

611
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:16,200
that Silas Newton has given at least one and possible

612
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:20,359
more lectures before classes at Denver University yesterday or today

613
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,440
in which he discussed flying saucers, which he allegedly observed.

614
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,799
The person claimed to have seen several objects of which

615
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,519
landed in New Mexico. He also claimed to observe occupants

616
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:38,640
of the saucers, described by him as humanoids but around

617
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:42,200
three feet tall. Now, Newton had actually been escorted to

618
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:45,440
this lecture by a staff member of the Rocky Mountain

619
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:49,359
radio station named George Kaylor. Within two hours of this talk,

620
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:56,279
US intelligence officers were already asking Kaylor questions about the

621
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:03,559
lecture and what his opinions were. Kayler recorded these interrogations

622
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:06,599
basically and then at the end of these interviews, he

623
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:09,559
was told, Hey, we know that you recorded these, so

624
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,119
we need you to hand the tapes over. It's an

625
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:14,079
awful lot to go on for something that's a hoax.

626
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 4: I know what the.

627
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,199
Speaker 14: Heck, but you know what I mean? Seriously, the three

628
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,599
feet tall, what they gonna do to you?

629
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 13: Are you focusing on that? Has nothing to do with anything.

630
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,239
You're like four foot eleven, so I.

631
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,519
Speaker 14: Felt tall I could overcome them.

632
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 13: Sorry, So soon after the Kansas this whole thing, a

633
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,599
Kansas City car dealer by the name of Rudy Flick.

634
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 6: He started telling stories.

635
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 13: But Kayler supposedly crashed the gates at one of these

636
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,960
radar stations near the New Mexican areas on a border,

637
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,119
and he had seen two flying saucers that the military

638
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,519
actually had in their possession. He said one was badly

639
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:53,440
damaged and the other one was virtually intact. Once again,

640
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,960
the FBI stepped in, and this is from that FBI teletype.

641
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,920
According to the info given to k around fifty of

642
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,119
these flying saucers have been found in the US over a.

643
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:05,079
Speaker 6: Period of two years.

644
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,599
Speaker 13: Of these forty are in the US Research Center in

645
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:11,760
Los Angeles. Each craft had a crew of three people

646
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,280
on the two that were in question that he said

647
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,280
he saw. The bodies in the damage ship were actually charged,

648
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,639
and the aliens that were in the ship that was

649
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:25,039
in pretty much perfect condition. They were in a perfect

650
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:29,039
state of preservation, but they were still dead, so that

651
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:34,159
was a situation with them. All were uniform height of

652
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,519
three feet, beardless, and their teeth were free of any

653
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:42,119
fillings or cavities. They wore no undergarments, but their bodies

654
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:44,039
were taped and they were dressed in some sort of

655
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:49,239
a wire So I guess there whatever their uniform.

656
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 6: Or something was was made out of wires.

657
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 13: So mister Fick feels that the security department of the

658
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,480
military feared that the sudden shock of a surprise announcement

659
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:04,480
the initory about this interplanetory travel is possibly could cause

660
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:09,840
mass hysteria. So the OSI District thirteen will interview Flick.

661
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:13,159
The editor of the Kansas City Star stated that he

662
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,639
was well aware of the story that was going around,

663
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:20,239
but they don't dare publish this in the paper because

664
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,920
it was way too fantastic. Oh so this comes straight

665
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,559
from an FBI teletype.

666
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 14: Gosh, there's so much we don't know this is so crazy.

667
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,679
Speaker 13: Now, there's a partly censored FBI document on March twenty second,

668
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,639
nineteen fifty that shows a story very similar to fix

669
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,400
circulating in Washington, d C. So that means more than

670
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,559
one person actually was reporting these same things over and over,

671
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:46,440
which makes it more likely that something was going on. Now,

672
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,239
some other evidence that can be attributed to William Steinmann.

673
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:51,840
In nineteen eighty seven, we talked about his book a

674
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,119
little bit earlier. He claims that when the crash happened,

675
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,159
that the info was immediately sent over to the Air

676
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:02,679
Defense commander and General George C. Marshall, who was then

677
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:06,880
the Secretary of State. They then contacted the MJ twelve

678
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,199
group that was a military group as well as the

679
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:16,199
Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit of the US Army counter Intelligence Directoriate.

680
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:21,760
The APU worked out of Camp Hell in Colorado. Supposedly

681
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,239
the IPU which is the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit. Their main

682
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,559
function was to deliver disabled or crashed disc to a

683
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:34,159
secret location. Oh wow, so the craft was actually recovered

684
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,679
within hours by the IPU scout team twelve miles northeast

685
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,000
of Aztec. General Marshall ordered Air Defense to go off alert,

686
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:47,480
and he basically said that the radar units had advised

687
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:48,559
that they had a false alarm.

688
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,559
Speaker 14: No way they did not.

689
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,199
Speaker 6: So Marshall then gave the order to.

690
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 13: Commence for the IPU to organize a recovery team and

691
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:03,280
contacted a doctor Vanevere Bush, who was the head of

692
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,639
the NBA twelve, to gather a team of scientists and

693
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,119
to accompany the IPU to the crash site. He went

694
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:12,480
on to name all of the scientists, which I'm not

695
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:14,800
going to name here, but there was a bunch of

696
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,320
scientists strictly by name. Four of them were actually members

697
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,760
of the original MJ twelve that was set up in

698
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,239
nineteen forty seven, which keep in mind, was just a

699
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,199
year before this crash. Doctor Carl Hyland was a geophysicist

700
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,199
and a magnetic science expert, and he is one of

701
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,880
the supposedly scientists that leaked the details of the recovery

702
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,119
to Leo Jabbauer. So we talked earlier about they had this.

703
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,360
So now what we're starting to find out is that

704
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,760
maybe this Leo Jabbauer and Silas weren't really as full

705
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,719
of crap as they made it to be, and they

706
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,559
were actually being leaked this information. So, but we're gonna

707
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:54,920
get into a little more of that and how much

708
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:57,360
was actually true that we find out as we as

709
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,559
we moved on to the story. But the IPU used

710
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:03,440
a round to the crash site to avoid the main road,

711
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:05,199
so they kind of took some back roads because they

712
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:08,519
didn't want to be seen. Roadblocks were set up at

713
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:11,639
strategic points around two miles of the recovery area, and

714
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:14,159
the owner of the ranch and his family were told

715
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:14,800
never to.

716
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,639
Speaker 6: Speak of this matter, Oh my lord.

717
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:22,079
Speaker 13: Equipment hauling trucks were camouflaged to look like oil drilling

718
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:26,519
rigs during this operation, and the scientists arrived later than

719
00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:31,800
the IPU team and began dissecting the disc. They entered

720
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,840
into the craft one by one the same way that

721
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,880
was explained earlier. According to Scully's book, the portholes themselves

722
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,679
appeared to be metallic and only appeared translucent when you

723
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,639
actually got really close to them that you could see

724
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:46,679
that they were kind of see through.

725
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 14: Ah, so cool.

726
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 13: So they did everything the way they said. There was

727
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,519
a crack, they made it bigger, they used the pole,

728
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:56,239
just like was in Scully's book. Once inside, they found

729
00:39:56,599 --> 00:39:59,679
two humanoids that are about two feet in height. The

730
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:03,679
slumped over the instrument panel, charred, but no sign of fire.

731
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,840
Inside the cabin, another twelve bodies were sprawled all around

732
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,639
the floor of the cabin. So the only difference here

733
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,039
is according to this story, there was fourteen, not sixteen,

734
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:17,679
which was in Scully's book. The instrument panel had several

735
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,039
push buttons and levers and hieroglyphic type symbols on it.

736
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 6: There was a drawer that actually.

737
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 13: Pulled out, but there were no wires visible wires that

738
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,199
could be seen. They found a book that was like

739
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,519
a parchment type leaves with textures of plastic that also

740
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,440
had hieroglyphics on a similar to sanscript.

741
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,639
Speaker 14: Oh that's weird, yep.

742
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,119
Speaker 13: They put bodies on dry eyes. They dismantled the ship

743
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:45,639
in three pieces, loaded on three different trucks with the bodies,

744
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:48,320
and put a tarp over them and marked it as explosive.

745
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:55,000
The convoy headed by night by the least conspicuous route

746
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,880
to a restricted naval auxiliary airfield a complex at Los Alamos,

747
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:03,440
arriving at one week after they picked them up, so

748
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,599
it took them away to get there. The bodies were

749
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,800
actually here for a year and then they were transported

750
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,719
to another undisclosed base. Doctor Paul Shearer eventually obtained special

751
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:19,559
preservation containers for the least damaged bodies. The companies which

752
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:23,239
actually supplied the equipment was the Air Research Corporation. It

753
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,280
supplied the liquid nitrogen pump, circulation system and refrigeration units.

754
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,960
Sure was an awful lot of details for something that

755
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:33,800
was a hoax. So the other bodies were given a

756
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,559
complete autopsy by a team handled by doctor Bronk of Biophysicists.

757
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:42,800
The results were actually put into a forest named the

758
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:48,280
Air Force Project assigned report number thirteen, which has never

759
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,960
actually been released, so this was not one that's been

760
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,400
declassified as yet. The bodies averaged, according to the autopsy,

761
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,960
forty two inch in length and facial features resembling Mongolian

762
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:07,960
orientals with dispurported portionately large heads, large slant eyes, small

763
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,360
noses and mouths. Average weight was forty pounds. Torsos were small,

764
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,079
thin with very thin necks. Their arms were long and

765
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:19,800
slender and reached their knees. Their hands had very long

766
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,239
and slender fingers with webbing in between them. They had

767
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,639
no digestive or gastro intestri intestinal track, no intestinal canal

768
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,360
and no rectal point. That will disappoint Nick from Brohil. Yes,

769
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:39,400
no reproductive organs were apparent. There was no blood, but

770
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,840
there was a colorless liquid with no red cells, and

771
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,639
it smelled similar to ozone.

772
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 14: Oh my gosh.

773
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,679
Speaker 6: Now that's all coming from his book.

774
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 13: More recently, Scott and Suzanne Ramsey have actually released a

775
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,440
few books and working on a third, the first being

776
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:02,360
the Aztec Ufo Incident. Scott has researched this crast since

777
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,760
nineteen eighty seven, is the and is the foremost researcher

778
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,639
in the whole Aztec incident. Him and his wife know

779
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,960
everything and anything. Now, what took their stuff to the

780
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,000
different level than the books that we talked about earlier

781
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,360
is they actually talked to a lot of people involved.

782
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 6: They've done so much research.

783
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 13: When you talk about over thirty years of research, basically

784
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:28,960
go and Suzanne's family had moved from her actually her

785
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:31,079
mom and dad. I think they lived. I can't remember exactly.

786
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:33,639
I'm going off memory, but I want to say they

787
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:37,519
lived up in the North and her mom read this

788
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,280
book by Scully like in the sixties and decided that

789
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,480
this was like a really cool place to live. So

790
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:45,840
they moved to Aztec because of this. What yep, So

791
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,679
they moved, they.

792
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 6: Moved out there. They just want to you know.

793
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 13: But then they found out that trist really was not

794
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,840
that fascinating when they got there, because nobody was willing

795
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,159
to talk about. Now, somewhere down the line, there was

796
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,159
a convention out there and Scott was part of the convention,

797
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,480
and they had one of these little like where you

798
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,320
buy a ticket and you get a chance to win

799
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,039
a lunch with somebody, and she bought a ticket to

800
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,360
win lunch with Scott. She actually won, and then they

801
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,440
went to lunch and discussed stuff, and then eight months

802
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,559
later they actually got married.

803
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 14: Oh my god.

804
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:18,039
Speaker 13: So that's how, that's how she came to be part

805
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:20,760
of this. So he was already researching it, her family

806
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,559
moved there because of it. She was already fascinated. It's

807
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,880
kind of meant to be. And so, like I said,

808
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,400
they started researching together and they've uncovered many different eyewitnesses

809
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,559
that have since passed away. Unfortunately, we're going to talk

810
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:38,039
about some of them. So in the book and the

811
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:42,440
interviews that they do, it makes me kind of lean

812
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:46,679
towards this actually happening as opposed to before where I

813
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,840
was thinking, Yeah, it definitely sounds like a hoax, But

814
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:52,840
now I'm kind of thinking and you'll hear why I'm

815
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:53,800
kind of getting that way.

816
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 6: It just seems like there's a lot.

817
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:58,159
Speaker 13: Of stuff that all ties into the same stuff that

818
00:44:58,559 --> 00:44:59,760
everybody else was finding.

819
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 14: Well, how did Scott get everybody to talk? Is what

820
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:02,559
I want to know.

821
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 13: Well, I don't think that he got everybody to talk.

822
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,280
There was just a lot of people who weren't in

823
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,000
the area anymore and he's just done, Well, let me

824
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:09,519
get into it.

825
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:11,159
Speaker 6: I think it'll answer some of your questions.

826
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:13,679
Speaker 13: So the Ramseys were actually able to talk to a

827
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:16,079
lot of very credible witnesses, including those who were in

828
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:18,960
the military. And part of how they did this is

829
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:23,559
they've spent according to Scott Ramsey, they've spent probably close

830
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:26,119
to a half a million dollars of their own money

831
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,639
and several hundred thousand hours just trying to get these

832
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,199
military reports declassified so that they could get their hands

833
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:37,960
on them. So that's going to be part of how

834
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,719
they were getting people to talk to them because they

835
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,119
had this stuff in their hands. They were also able

836
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:46,320
to find the three radar basis, which we were told

837
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:47,159
it didn't exist.

838
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,159
Speaker 6: They literally took.

839
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 13: Maps and said, hey, where would we place it at

840
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,880
and went out and searched the desert and found them.

841
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 5: What.

842
00:45:57,159 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 13: Yeah, they fold and they actually, like one of the

843
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:02,199
one of them actually had paperwork. This is going to

844
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:03,920
fit into what we're talking about earlier. One of them

845
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,320
still had paperwork in it talking about how strong the

846
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,440
radar was and it even had a warning to not

847
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:11,559
be using it if there were aircraft in the area.

848
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 14: Oh wow, I'm surprised those two didn't go missing.

849
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 6: Right, So.

850
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 13: You can see how that fits into the theory of

851
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,440
what people have been saying earlier about it got basically

852
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:24,840
knocked out this guy because of this strong air you know,

853
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:29,440
wave that was being shot at, this radar wave. And

854
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:33,519
yet hear something written from the military and there basically

855
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:37,239
saying this could cause problems an aircraft in the area,

856
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:39,400
you know, And why else would you have a radar,

857
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,440
I mean radar typically that detects on them.

858
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 6: Why would you have something that's so strong.

859
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,119
Speaker 13: That it would it could possibly disable an aircraft knock.

860
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 6: It out this guy?

861
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, and you know they've talked to people

862
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,880
in the midst that I didn't write this in the notes,

863
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,639
but they've talked to people that back during World War

864
00:46:56,639 --> 00:47:01,000
Two they had a similar type setup that was able

865
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:04,800
to knock out seventeen of Japanese subs.

866
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 10: Oh my gosh, we're.

867
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 13: Using this same technology in something like a day one day.

868
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:14,639
Speaker 14: Not so they never they never had an incident then

869
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,360
where it did knock a plane down or anything, because

870
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,440
if not, they're pretty much.

871
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 13: No, apparently not unless you count this, because that's what

872
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,360
everybody seems to think happened here. So we got that

873
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,519
part of it. There's a retired Air Force officer and

874
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:31,639
they can't use his name until he's passed away because

875
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:33,800
that's just the way the military works.

876
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,559
Speaker 6: But he actually they told him.

877
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 13: What the situation was and they wanted to meet with

878
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,880
him because they knew he had some information. Now, this

879
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,320
guy had never told his story to anybody except for

880
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,639
his wife, and right before she passed away, he kept

881
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,400
a tight lip on what he knew about this situation. Yeah,

882
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,840
he told his wife right before she passed away. That's

883
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,880
the only person he ever told the story that he

884
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:56,360
told me.

885
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, what a relieved.

886
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 13: So obviously, like I said, I can't use the name,

887
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,360
but they met him at a radisson and they showed

888
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,440
him some declassified information, so he was felt like he

889
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,719
could Okay, you've got some of the information, let me

890
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,519
expand on it. He told him that there were over

891
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:17,679
two hundred people that were involved in the cleanup, you know,

892
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,039
gathering all the information or gathering all this stuff and

893
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:22,880
the craft and everything. Now, he wasn't actually at the

894
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,559
site himself, but he had to write a whole bunch

895
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:29,280
of reports on people who were there, so he felt

896
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,760
like he was there by how much information he knew

897
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,079
on it. He said that they had to cut a

898
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:38,840
road that didn't exist back to the aircraft, and that

899
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,079
road is still there today. But that road subsequently isn't.

900
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:42,599
Speaker 6: On any maps.

901
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 13: Oh gosh, so here we are fifty some years later,

902
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,199
it's still not on any maps. He said, hey, if

903
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,480
you think you got the right place, look for a

904
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:57,239
concrete slab, because they needed a crane to pick up

905
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,159
the parts and haul it and everything back there a

906
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,239
silt which is like a really soft sand. Yeah, and

907
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,159
he said they needed something stable to put this crane on,

908
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,280
so they had to build a concrete slab basically to.

909
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 6: Put this crane on.

910
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:15,599
Speaker 13: Well, he didn't know that at the time that the

911
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:17,519
Ramseys had already been out there several times, so they

912
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:19,000
knew exactly what he was talking about.

913
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 6: And this slab just sits.

914
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:22,039
Speaker 13: In the middle of nowhere, in the middle of a desert.

915
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:25,039
There's just a concrete slab that serves no purpose. Now,

916
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:28,039
most people, when you ask them, they'll tell you that

917
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:31,800
it's like a cap out there for the gas and

918
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:34,480
oil and stuff like that. They know that's not the

919
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,599
case because it doesn't make sense. It wouldn't be out there.

920
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:40,840
That's not what they would use anybody else for us,

921
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,280
And we don't know any different. He said, they've actually

922
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,239
you know, it would be dangerous to drill a hole

923
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,079
in it. That's what it actually was because build up. Yeah,

924
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:53,039
but he said they've actually drilled into it. Wasn't afraid

925
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:55,800
because they knew that it was a story. They've had

926
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,000
it analyzed. That's not what it is. So there's no

927
00:49:58,079 --> 00:49:59,639
reason in the world for that to be out there,

928
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:02,719
Like there's no reason for that road to be there.

929
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,280
That guess where that happens to end at, right with

930
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,880
the cast crash. I was so anyway, so he tells

931
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:14,000
him about this, and they thought that was fascinating because

932
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:15,800
a lot of what he was telling them was stuff

933
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,320
they already knew without divulging that information. So let's start

934
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,880
talking about Ken Farley. Ken Farley is another credible witness

935
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,079
that they were able to catch up with. Ken was

936
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:29,480
twenty years old at the time. He was traveling from Durango, Colorado,

937
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:32,000
to San Diego. He had a friend in Aztec so

938
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:34,920
he had stopped off in ASTech at the time. Now

939
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,519
Ken wasn't from the area, so he didn't really know anybody,

940
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,280
but his friend actually told him that there was something

941
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,639
going on on Hart Canyon Road where this took place,

942
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,920
and they should go check it out because obviously there's

943
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,480
not a lot of excitement going on if you don't

944
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:52,440
for people who don't know, Roswell, this place, several other

945
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,840
places in New Mexico. New Mexico is a really big state,

946
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,480
but it's not densely populated, so for the amount of

947
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:02,800
people there, there's a lot of room. There's a lot

948
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,440
of empty space, a lot of desert area where there's

949
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:07,679
you know, just a lot of land to roam basically

950
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,800
where you know, that's why they did all the people

951
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,679
who don't know most of our nuclear testing if not

952
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,079
all of it is pretty much done in New Mexico

953
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,039
because they don't have to worry about population of people

954
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:21,880
and doing the damage. And that's why a lot of

955
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,599
people think, why rocks will why this place? Why eight

956
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:26,480
months apart? Why is there supposed to all these other

957
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:30,039
UFO crashes in New Mexico. I guess, if you think

958
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:33,440
about it, we've done all these nuclear explosions and everything there,

959
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,360
so there should be a lot of radioactivity in air.

960
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,199
I guess if you were a UFO or you know,

961
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:44,360
a group of people different species from outer space, you

962
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,800
would maybe go where you see radiation or something like

963
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,400
that there there might you know, if that's what makes

964
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:54,239
your you know, civilization's tick or something like that. Yeah,

965
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,280
so maybe that's why they were drawn there. It's because

966
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,239
of all the radioactivity that was so anyway, so this Francis, Hey,

967
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:02,719
there's a lot of stuff going on down to Hart

968
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,199
Canyon Road.

969
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,119
Speaker 6: Let's go check it out.

970
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,559
Speaker 13: So let's fast forward to the year two thousand. Scott

971
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:15,320
and Randy Barnes actually interviewed Ken in Phoenix, Arizona. Okay,

972
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,239
so this is about an hour away from where Ken

973
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,960
actually lived, but he drove up there It's important to

974
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,599
note that Ken was actually dying of cancer at this time,

975
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:25,639
so he was kind of on his deathbed.

976
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, he died almost two years

977
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,280
to the day of this interview. No way that he

978
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:35,440
actually did. So the story went pretty much the way

979
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,840
that they've known the story to be. So now you've

980
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,320
got this witness that's lining.

981
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:43,079
Speaker 13: Up everything that you've already pretty much heard. But this

982
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:47,960
guy was supposedly at the crash site. Now he said

983
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,840
at the crash site, there were two police officers. Now,

984
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,280
this was the only thing that Ramsey was kind of

985
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,000
skeptical of because he knows that he had never heard

986
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:01,679
anybody else mentioned there being two police officers out there.

987
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,199
Speaker 6: So this kind of stood out.

988
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 13: As, oh, well, maybe, you know, maybe he's just making

989
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,719
something up, or maybe he don't remember correctly. And keep

990
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,480
in mind, this is a very remote place with a

991
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,000
very small police force. So chances are, he said, if

992
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:18,079
you went out to there today and called nine to

993
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:20,599
one one, the chances of more than one police officer

994
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:23,760
showing up would be very strange. So for there to

995
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,800
be two show up, yeah, back in nineteen forty eight

996
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:31,519
would have been extremely odd. So he decides look, we'll

997
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:36,559
kind of put this on the back burner. We've got

998
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:38,480
the story, but let's see what shakes out as we

999
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:44,039
move forward. So then they get an interview with a

1000
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:46,960
gentleman by the name of Doug Nolan. Now Doug actually

1001
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,679
worked for El Pass Oil Company at the time. He

1002
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:55,119
was nineteen years old, and he actually died two months

1003
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:58,760
after doing this interview, but he had, you know, had

1004
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,400
six strokes and was on this, you know, he was

1005
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,239
really keep in mind, these guys are all seventies, eighties,

1006
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,079
you know, years old at the time, even though they

1007
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,519
were twenty back in nineteen thirty eight. You know, by

1008
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:12,199
the time they catch up with him in I think

1009
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,440
this was two thousand and three when he did this interview.

1010
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:16,599
Speaker 6: You know, you did the math on it, but I know.

1011
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:19,079
Speaker 13: He's up there in age and somebody who's had six

1012
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:21,280
seven strokes, you So.

1013
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,159
Speaker 6: Anyway, so Doug's boss had.

1014
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:27,079
Speaker 13: Called him that morning, Bill Ferguson, and he told him

1015
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:29,320
that there was a brush fire out on Hart Canyon

1016
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,719
Road and they needed to get out there because the

1017
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,840
company had some drip tanks out there, which I'm not

1018
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,920
exactly sure the drip tank is, but obviously it's got

1019
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:36,280
something to do.

1020
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 10: With oil, yeah, and they wanted to make sure that they.

1021
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:40,119
Speaker 6: Got it taken care of.

1022
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 13: So they get out there and they find out that

1023
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,599
the fire wasn't even near the drip tanks.

1024
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:45,679
Speaker 6: It was up on the ridge.

1025
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,079
Speaker 13: But some other workers came down and said, hey, the

1026
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:50,679
fire is under control, but you guys really need to

1027
00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:53,039
see what's laying out there on the western.

1028
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,119
Speaker 6: Edge of the of the Mesa.

1029
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 13: So Doug, like I said, he had had six strokes

1030
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,760
and was his story extremely slow, but he seemed to

1031
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,880
be mentally he was one hundred percent there. He was

1032
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,880
just slow in his delivery, but he knew what he

1033
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,559
was talking about. Well, now what he says makes Ken

1034
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:16,440
Farley's interview kind of start to make sense because Doug

1035
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:19,880
also said there were two police officers there. Oh, so

1036
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,480
now they got two people who didn't really know each other.

1037
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:24,639
Speaker 6: Because remember the.

1038
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 13: One Ken Farley wasn't from the area, but there might

1039
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,199
be a sign here of him being seen by Doug.

1040
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:36,320
Because Doug said that he pretty much named all the

1041
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,079
locals that were there, but he did say that there

1042
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,159
was a couple of people there on the outside that

1043
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:45,440
he didn't recognize that very well could have been Ken

1044
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:50,280
Farley and his friend. Yeah, because like I said, they

1045
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,760
weren't from there, so that would make sense. But the

1046
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:59,559
two police officers, he said, one of them was from Cuba,

1047
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:01,440
New Mexic go and the other one was a local.

1048
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 6: So now they know and.

1049
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 13: They're in the processes still right now trying to figuret

1050
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,199
who this other officer was because at the time Cuba

1051
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,599
in New Mexico only had two sheriffs or two deputies there,

1052
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,159
so it's going to be one of the two, so

1053
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:17,320
they're in the process of trying to figure that out.

1054
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:19,840
There was also a local there and they only had

1055
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,599
three police officers on the force there, so they're in

1056
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:24,440
the process trying to figure that out. But now they

1057
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,920
got two different eyewitnesses who don't know each other saying

1058
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:29,800
there were two police officer and this one that was

1059
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:30,880
actually able to tell you.

1060
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:31,639
Speaker 6: Where they were from.

1061
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 13: Oh, so that's kind of an interesting twist on that.

1062
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:42,440
He also noticed that, you know, there seemed to be

1063
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,679
some very well dressed men there that almost looked out

1064
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:48,800
of place. And then when I hear that, it makes

1065
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,880
me think men in black type situation.

1066
00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 10: So I don't know, Yeah, that's a little bizarre.

1067
00:56:55,039 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 13: So now we got Fred Reid, and Fred Reid passed

1068
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,719
away right after the interview, per most of the other ones.

1069
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,639
But Fred, he was actually sent there to do cleanup.

1070
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,840
That's what he did. His job was to do cleanup

1071
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,840
type stuff. But usually when they were sent out it

1072
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,320
was for plane crashes, so that's what he assumed that

1073
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,719
it was. But later Fred was actually told by a

1074
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,599
friend of his that the crash site was actually a

1075
00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:22,360
flying disc that it crashed up there, so he's gone

1076
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,760
by that. In two thousand he was contacted by the

1077
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,159
Farmer Or he actually contacted the Farmington Daily News and

1078
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:33,920
wrote a letter of what he remembered, So he was

1079
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,639
actually telling them basically the same thing everybody else is

1080
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:40,440
telling us what they sing. So with all this being in,

1081
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:46,599
it looks like that Frank Scully's book was actually approximately

1082
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:49,159
about eighty five percent correct, the one that was considered

1083
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:52,039
to be a hoax. Now, after talking to all these people,

1084
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:55,480
the Ramseys have talked to Steinman's book where he talked

1085
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,960
to all these different people, him and Window, it really

1086
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,360
is starting to look like all these declassified articles and

1087
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,360
stuff that they were showing that it looks a lot

1088
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,440
more like a cover up hoax.

1089
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 14: Well, I think it's amazing that all these people they interviewed.

1090
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:16,400
It's almost like they what they've said, they've been holding

1091
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,159
in for years and years and years, and it's like

1092
00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:22,559
after the interview, it's like, oh, thank god, you know,

1093
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:23,960
I said what I needed to say.

1094
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 10: You can kind of move on and you can move

1095
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:27,639
on and die.

1096
00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:30,239
Speaker 14: And it's terrible to say that, but that seems like

1097
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,480
a weird you know that all those people have passed

1098
00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:37,360
away right after their interviews. So that's very interesting too,

1099
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:39,440
that what all has been found out.

1100
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:43,079
Speaker 13: Yeah, because I mean, and if you listen, there's a

1101
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:46,039
lot of stuff out there by the ramsays on YouTube

1102
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:50,039
and the other podcasts, and they're they're pretty fascinating in

1103
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:53,320
what they cover. I mean, we didn't touch the surface

1104
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:54,760
of the details they're going through.

1105
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:56,719
Speaker 6: I touched on the finer points.

1106
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 13: If you watch there's a video out there of Scott

1107
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:03,239
Ramsey actually showing all these some or at least some

1108
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,840
of these declassified documents and reading into it. It really

1109
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,320
looks a lot more like a cover up than a hoax.

1110
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,920
So I think even though I said I was on

1111
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,840
the fence in the beginning, I think I've pretty much

1112
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,639
talked myself into believing that this happened.

1113
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, it surely sounds like it. I just

1114
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,519
I don't know how these people do that hold all

1115
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:25,079
that information in or you can't leak it out, or

1116
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:27,000
you can't breathe a word. I mean, how do you

1117
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,920
live your life? I don't know all that information.

1118
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 13: Well, it's like one of the things I remember hearing

1119
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,039
Scott Ramsey talk about, and this is one of the

1120
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:36,880
first things I actually watched on him, which was like

1121
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,079
earlier in the week. He was talking about that the

1122
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:43,199
people who were doing the cover are not to cover

1123
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:48,400
the cleanup. They were talking about comments like we did

1124
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,559
a lot better job on this one than what we

1125
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:55,039
did in Roswell and stuff like that, because the Roswell deal,

1126
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:57,639
obviously it leaked out and there was articles in the

1127
00:59:57,679 --> 00:59:59,719
paper about this as a crash and then all of

1128
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:01,079
a sudd a, it was a crash and it was

1129
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:04,519
a weather balloon, and so then all the controvert That's

1130
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:07,679
why you know so much about Roswell, It's because everything

1131
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:10,360
that came out where nothing really came out about this

1132
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,360
when and for people to be pretty much bragging that

1133
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,039
we did a heck of a lot better job.

1134
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,559
Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, yeah, they just kind of might let

1135
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:18,599
it slip or something.

1136
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:24,039
Speaker 13: There's no doubt in my mind that there's aliens. There's

1137
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:26,800
no doubt that there's been several cover ups by the government.

1138
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,440
I mean, we've covered to Rendlesham Forest, which I think

1139
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:32,639
is a prime example of so much evidence out there

1140
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:36,880
and a cover up. You know how much goes into it.

1141
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,039
I mean, do I believe they found all these bodies?

1142
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,239
Do I believe you know, the you know, they're holding

1143
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,320
these bodies at all these different air force bases and

1144
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,920
every fifty one. I don't know to one hundred percent

1145
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,719
what I believe the level is. But there's no doubt

1146
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,400
that they found down aircraft and they've covered it up.

1147
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 14: How do they keep those I mean I wonder if

1148
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,480
their bodies are different they how do they preserve them?

1149
01:00:58,719 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 13: Oh, I'm sure just like thing else, probably cryogenically, so

1150
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:02,920
they're probably frozen.

1151
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:07,159
Speaker 14: That's so interesting and it's the freakiest thing out to

1152
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:10,360
know what all actually goes on in this world that

1153
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,679
none of us have a clue about.

1154
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,239
Speaker 13: It's like I said, we talked about it before, and

1155
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,360
I think I talked about it in this interview. Coming

1156
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:22,239
up with Chris Christofferson. It's not Chris Rob Rob Christofferson,

1157
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:23,880
but Rob wrote.

1158
01:01:25,199 --> 01:01:26,519
Speaker 6: Man Bobby McGee right.

1159
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,079
Speaker 13: No, you know what I wish i'd have done this

1160
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:32,119
interview would Rob after the fact, because I would really

1161
01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:36,760
love to have had what he said about this situation,

1162
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,639
his beliefs and stuff. But we didn't cover that when

1163
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,000
he just gave me the idea. But he didn't tell

1164
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:43,079
me whether he believed, not believed, or what it was.

1165
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:44,519
But I would have loved to have talked to him

1166
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:46,920
about his thoughts. But we do talk about a bunch

1167
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,199
of other different situations that I think will fascinate you.

1168
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,639
So while we're on that subject, let's go ahead and

1169
01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:57,679
listen to Rob Christofferson from Our Strange Guys. All Right,

1170
01:01:57,719 --> 01:02:03,679
we got a fellow dark and It's collective podcaster on

1171
01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:08,639
the line with us, mister Rob Christofferson. I'm not gonna

1172
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:11,480
say Chris. I'll say Rob Christofferson, even though every time

1173
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:14,880
I go to say your name it always comes out Chris.

1174
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:20,639
And Rob is host of Our Strange Skies, which is,

1175
01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:28,559
in my opinion, the best UFO slash alien I guess

1176
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:31,480
podcast out there. Because I've made it clear on the

1177
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,599
show several times. Rob, I'm just really not usually that

1178
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:43,239
much into the whole space exploration or the possibility of aliens,

1179
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:48,039
or even the big stories Roswell and rentals from Forrest

1180
01:02:48,119 --> 01:02:50,199
and all that. We've done some shows on them just

1181
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:52,440
because I know people like to hear about them. But

1182
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:56,039
I guess to me it's I've just accepted the fact

1183
01:02:56,039 --> 01:02:57,920
that they're all fact that it's just not that big

1184
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:03,000
a deal to me. So what's your thoughts on, just

1185
01:03:03,199 --> 01:03:07,719
in general, people that have my kind of attitude or

1186
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,039
people who don't believe at all in UFOs.

1187
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:16,559
Speaker 5: I think one of the most amazing things about the

1188
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:21,719
phenomena itself is that, for one way we talk about ghosts,

1189
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:29,440
we talk about Bigfoot, we talk about these weird esoteric experiences,

1190
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:34,119
we have boxes that they fit into, like comfortably. Like

1191
01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:39,280
ghostly phenomena fits into a box, so does Bigfoot, whether

1192
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:41,920
you know you have different theories on it or not.

1193
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,039
The UFO phenomena doesn't really fit into as neat a

1194
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:51,159
box as we'd like it too, because, for one, we

1195
01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:55,880
don't know what's causing it. We don't have a clue,

1196
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,559
and we have so many different hypotheses to to try

1197
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:07,000
and expound upon it that it's really crazy, and it's

1198
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:13,280
one that requires a lot of open mindedness too, and

1199
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:16,679
and and the thing is is like when you talk

1200
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:21,960
about like the ghost people don't get along with the

1201
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:25,639
UFO people and they don't get along with the bigfoot people.

1202
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:28,239
It's kind of a weird thing because we're all in

1203
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:33,239
the same area. But it's for whatever reason, this topic

1204
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:39,760
is tough for people. And perhaps it's because this topic

1205
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:45,000
has largely been pushed by the extraterrestrial hypothesis, which is, hey,

1206
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:49,280
aliens exist, or at least that's what that narrative pushes.

1207
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:54,199
There are others, but I think people have a tough

1208
01:04:54,199 --> 01:04:59,920
time with the thought of extraterrestrial life for whatever reason.

1209
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:03,400
And you know, I think that, yeah, I'm.

1210
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 13: Gonna say I don't get that either, because I think

1211
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,480
you've got to be pretty egotistical to think that we

1212
01:05:09,559 --> 01:05:14,119
live in a universe as big as what this universe is,

1213
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,280
and to think that we're the only type of life

1214
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,039
out there other than you know, there's people out there

1215
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:22,119
to say, oh, I think there's life, but it's ambas

1216
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:25,119
and parasites, and I just you know, to think that

1217
01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:29,280
we're the only type of beans walking around intelligent beans,

1218
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,800
I think is completely ludicrous. That's I guess that's why

1219
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,880
I'm not so fascinated with the subject, is because I

1220
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,880
just take it as a given that there's got to

1221
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,239
be other living beans like us out there.

1222
01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the that's the narrative that you know,

1223
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,719
the hard sciences pushes is like they believe in extraterrestrial

1224
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,639
right life, they just don't believe that it's visited our planet.

1225
01:05:52,239 --> 01:05:56,519
And I think that definitely, that definitely, you know, pushes

1226
01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:01,119
back against this idea that well, hey, maybe aliens are

1227
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:04,239
flying these ships and they're coming into our atmosphere and

1228
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:08,599
and showing themselves to us. But again that that also

1229
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,280
goes to the point that we really don't know what

1230
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,719
this is. Like most people will jump to that conclusion

1231
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,320
that oh, hey, there these are aliens, But well, maybe

1232
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:24,400
this is the government. You know, maybe the government's built

1233
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,599
the stuff and these are all secret government tests. And

1234
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:31,039
you know, there are plenty of conspiracies to deal with

1235
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:33,000
that end of it. And then you have people like

1236
01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:36,559
John Keel, who in the seventies, the guy that wrote

1237
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:40,480
the Mothman prophecies, was putting out there that hey, maybe

1238
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:46,280
these are interdimensional beings and they're showing up and in

1239
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,360
these craft but maybe they're not on a physical thing.

1240
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,519
Maybe some some of it's a psychic kind of phenomenon.

1241
01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:00,880
So you have a ton of competing hypotheses and not

1242
01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:04,840
one of them really agrees with the other. And yeah,

1243
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,320
that's that's the tough thing with this field is that

1244
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,039
nobody can agree on anything, and a lot of people

1245
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:15,760
are closed minded to other people's hypotheses.

1246
01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:19,119
Speaker 13: Well, you know, it's funny you mentioned that because on

1247
01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:23,280
the subject of what you just touched on. You know,

1248
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,440
there are some people out there and I talked about

1249
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:31,719
this what Steve called the one of the Bigfoot experts

1250
01:07:31,719 --> 01:07:34,079
from Destination in America, and I thought he was gonna

1251
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:36,800
flip on me. He got so irate about the concept

1252
01:07:37,519 --> 01:07:42,119
that Bigfoot could be aliens. I'm sure, I'm sure you've

1253
01:07:42,159 --> 01:07:45,960
heard that that theory before. That's why they don't find

1254
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,800
any bones, that's why they don't find any of this.

1255
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:50,039
Speaker 6: What's your theory on that.

1256
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 13: Do you think that there's any anything at all to

1257
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:59,599
a possibility that Bigfoot or Mothman or these other cryptids

1258
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:02,480
that people they could be actually aliens.

1259
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:11,039
Speaker 5: Definitely possible. Earlier this year seth Reedlove of small town Monsters.

1260
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:15,639
He put out this great little short documentary called Invasion

1261
01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:19,800
on Chestnut Ridge, and a lot of stuff has happened

1262
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:24,720
in that area, most famously the Kecksburg crash of sixty five,

1263
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:32,479
in which practically a whole town witnessed an acorn shaped

1264
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,520
object just crashed in the woods, and of course the

1265
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:39,520
government came in and took it, and you know, it

1266
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,199
was this whole thing about a government cover up and everything.

1267
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:46,000
But one of the stories that was told in that

1268
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:51,000
documentary was about this farmer on his land and he

1269
01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:53,399
had seen some lights out in his field and he

1270
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,880
goes and he sees like an object in the field,

1271
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,560
and coming out of the object are these really weird

1272
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,800
looking bigfoot. And they're almost not even walking, they seem

1273
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:11,560
to be like hovering. So there are definitely weird aspects

1274
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:16,720
that with people that have these sightings of bigfoot that

1275
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:23,199
aren't always talked about. For instance, there are people that

1276
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:26,560
report that after having an encounter with bigfoot, they'll see

1277
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:33,359
flashes of light in the sky and like green flashes

1278
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:37,359
of light, and that never gets expounded upon. There are

1279
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:43,319
other phenomenon like that associated with those so it could

1280
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:47,399
be possible. I mean when you think about Bigfoot too,

1281
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:52,079
there's like that camp that that notices these things, whatever

1282
01:09:52,119 --> 01:09:54,239
they are, are kind of built for the terrain. So

1283
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,279
maybe they are terrestrial. Then again, maybe they're not. It's

1284
01:09:59,319 --> 01:09:59,960
tough to really.

1285
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:06,199
Speaker 13: Say, way to take a stand there, But you know,

1286
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:08,119
it's funny that you say that, because there are some

1287
01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:12,640
places where there is all that phenomenon going on at

1288
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,159
one time. Like you said, Chestnut Ridge is a prime example.

1289
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:17,640
And that's an excellent documentary by the way, and I

1290
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,359
can't remember the other documentary he did before that, but

1291
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,720
it was also very good. He does a really good

1292
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,560
job on what he does. He gets pretty in depth.

1293
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,920
But you know, then you look at Skinwalker Ranch, the

1294
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,199
same situation out there, or at least similar. I mean,

1295
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:35,399
where you've got you know, Bigfoot, you've got possible aliens

1296
01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:37,880
and UFO sightings, and you got this and that a

1297
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,760
thousand you know, shape shifters, everything going on in these

1298
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:48,399
certain locations where it just seems to breed paranormal phenomena.

1299
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,279
And you know, so it does make you think that

1300
01:10:51,319 --> 01:10:55,479
the possibility that something could be going on that ties

1301
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:56,279
all of it together.

1302
01:10:56,319 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 6: Two extraterrestrials to me.

1303
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it doesn't hurt to be open

1304
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,239
to it. And there's the and that's the tough thing

1305
01:11:07,279 --> 01:11:12,199
about this is there's no one evidence to actually, you know,

1306
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,680
support that. But hey, there are these weird odd things

1307
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,439
that pop up from time to time, like nobody can

1308
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:23,359
really explain those flashes of light. And I had a

1309
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:29,760
conversation with Johnny L Tenny about this about how certain

1310
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:34,039
things are covered, like bigfoot sightings or like alien abductions.

1311
01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:38,039
There are certain oddities that people fail to include because

1312
01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:43,720
they either don't make sense or they don't have a

1313
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:48,840
place to fit them, like, for instance, in some alien abductions,

1314
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:54,319
people talk about aliens wearing out of period American clothing

1315
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,680
like modern abductions. And there's a guy where there's an

1316
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:02,560
alien wearing clothes from the seventeen hundreds. What's up with that?

1317
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,239
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's could be worse, could be from the nineteen seventies.

1318
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,079
And oh god, I can't imagine if there are intelligent life,

1319
01:12:11,079 --> 01:12:13,600
they're not wearing anything from the seventies. I couldn't imagine

1320
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,520
getting anal probed by somebody wearing some bell bottomed jeans

1321
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,000
and a neighbor jacket.

1322
01:12:18,039 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 6: But that's just me.

1323
01:12:20,359 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 5: Understandable. I can totally understand. For me, it would be

1324
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:27,399
the eighties and those like flock of Seagulls hairdoos. I

1325
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,039
don't think I could. I don't think I could handle that.

1326
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,279
Speaker 13: Look, I got a couple of other situations that some

1327
01:12:35,359 --> 01:12:38,439
people like to tie with alien abduction that I want

1328
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:43,319
to get your thoughts on. What about all these mysterious

1329
01:12:43,399 --> 01:12:47,880
disappearances in state parks. Now, I understand, obviously it's a

1330
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,399
state park. People are hiking vast terrain. It's easy for

1331
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,079
people to get lost. But there's been a lot of

1332
01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:56,439
people that just disappear and then show back up and

1333
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,920
have no recollection of where they've been. Sometimes they're naked,

1334
01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:03,199
sometimes they're you know, what are your thoughts on how

1335
01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:04,119
that ties together?

1336
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:06,319
Speaker 6: Well?

1337
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:11,520
Speaker 5: The the strange thing about the Missing four one one

1338
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:16,039
kind of stuff is that you really don't have ties

1339
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:20,680
to the abduction phenomena really other than the fact that

1340
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:25,279
these people just go missing. There's never usually any correlated

1341
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:30,479
UFO sightings and they and it's just so weird because

1342
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,079
they just disappear out of nowhere, Like there are more

1343
01:13:33,119 --> 01:13:37,079
connections to things like Bigfoot taking them than there are UFOs,

1344
01:13:37,119 --> 01:13:40,079
But the the parallels are there, and they're and they're

1345
01:13:40,079 --> 01:13:45,800
fascinating because it's just where do they go? And I've

1346
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,840
seen a lot of interesting theories coming out, people talking about, hey,

1347
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:54,159
maybe these people are walking into portals. Maybe you know,

1348
01:13:54,399 --> 01:13:58,840
there be like the Early if when you read Dave

1349
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:05,239
Politis's book The Early Sightings, there are these weird encounters

1350
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:09,079
that these people have with shape shifting creatures of some kind.

1351
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:15,720
So maybe they are extraterrestrial. Who knows, but yeah, that's

1352
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,399
that's the one odd thing about that phenomenon is that

1353
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:23,079
there really is no UFO data that really comes in

1354
01:14:23,159 --> 01:14:23,760
behind it.

1355
01:14:25,159 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 13: I think in some cases it fits more into like

1356
01:14:29,079 --> 01:14:33,000
time slippage, and that was brought up my next question.

1357
01:14:33,079 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 6: Do you feel like people.

1358
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,279
Speaker 13: Who experienced time slippage is that more of a portal

1359
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,760
type situation to you or do you think that's got

1360
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,920
something to do with an abduction and just being put

1361
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,640
back at a later time where you know, you'll see

1362
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,560
a lot of times with these abduction stories where we

1363
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,680
just disappeared and I think we were gone for twenty

1364
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,680
minutes and it turned out to be seven hours. You know,

1365
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,600
those type of situations. Do you think there's a tie

1366
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:58,119
into that.

1367
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,319
Speaker 5: Very possibly, because when you talk about time dilation and

1368
01:15:05,319 --> 01:15:10,159
how people experience it, it's it's as if time itself

1369
01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:16,319
is removed, and given how we experience time on this planet,

1370
01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:20,000
it's very linear in fashion. You can actually just pretty

1371
01:15:20,039 --> 01:15:24,640
much take chunks of time out and it can make

1372
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,520
some for some really strange and odd feelings and memories

1373
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,760
that you're going to have about it. So that that

1374
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:36,239
correlated aspect is definitely fascinating and it definitely connects there,

1375
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,680
you know, So it definitely opens up that possibility that hey,

1376
01:15:40,079 --> 01:15:43,560
maybe maybe there is that whole abduction aspect, that whole

1377
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,920
alien abduction aspect that plays a part in this. Are

1378
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:51,439
there other creatures that can somehow manipulate time, not just

1379
01:15:52,039 --> 01:15:57,079
extraterrestrials and you know, maybe interdimensional It's it's a it's

1380
01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:00,319
kind of a really fascinating aspect to the whole thing,

1381
01:16:00,399 --> 01:16:04,399
because when you talk about the guys in Rendelsham, that

1382
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:09,520
is an actual documented case of time dilation because they

1383
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,239
correlated it not only with the watches that they were wearing,

1384
01:16:13,279 --> 01:16:16,359
but also when they came out they were about to

1385
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:19,199
go in because they were supposedly in there for two

1386
01:16:19,279 --> 01:16:24,319
hours on that first night Peniston and Burrows, and they

1387
01:16:24,359 --> 01:16:28,920
only thought that I think like twenty minutes had gone by.

1388
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:34,199
So that is definitely one fascinating aspect to it. Is

1389
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:40,239
like these craft and sometimes when people interact with them,

1390
01:16:40,279 --> 01:16:44,079
how are they able to slow time down? That's a

1391
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:44,920
strange thing.

1392
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:48,600
Speaker 13: See, that's the kind of things that I love about

1393
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,039
your show is because the type of stuff that we're

1394
01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:53,680
talking about is are the things you cover in the show.

1395
01:16:54,319 --> 01:16:58,359
Like I said, you know, it's not always specific too.

1396
01:16:58,399 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 6: Oh, let's just talk about this one case.

1397
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:06,039
Speaker 13: It's occurrences and how these occurrences have affected people in general,

1398
01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:10,159
not just specifically. Before we get too far in because

1399
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:11,960
we're going to talk about a bunch of other stuff.

1400
01:17:12,279 --> 01:17:16,399
Tell people about your show, how they can find your show,

1401
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,079
and what you hope to accomplish with it. When you

1402
01:17:19,119 --> 01:17:20,439
set out and said, Hey, I'm going to do a

1403
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:24,239
podcast on this, what was your vision on putting out.

1404
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 5: For me? Because I started with paranormal investigations about ten

1405
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,600
years ago, it just I headed in that direction and

1406
01:17:37,079 --> 01:17:39,760
I kind of made it to a spot where I

1407
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,239
felt like I plateaued, and then I started looking into

1408
01:17:43,319 --> 01:17:49,600
the abduction phenomenon and the UFO phenomenon, and those things

1409
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:51,600
were always in the back of my mind because I

1410
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,880
grew up watching unsolved mysteries as a kid, and like,

1411
01:17:55,319 --> 01:17:58,640
for whatever reason, those cases kind of just stuck with

1412
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,119
me because they were they were always just so strange,

1413
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:06,520
Like with a haunting, it's it's strange in the moment

1414
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,239
and and it'll definitely stick with you for a lifetime.

1415
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:13,760
But it was just so weird how these experiences could

1416
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:17,680
fundamentally change a person to the point where some people

1417
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,439
end up losing their jobs or quitting their jobs because

1418
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,680
they talk about this stuff. So I was a part

1419
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:30,039
of a couple of different podcasts late last year that

1420
01:18:30,199 --> 01:18:35,119
ended up falling through, and I was just yeah, I

1421
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:38,800
enjoyed doing it, and I was like, man, what the

1422
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,119
heck can I do? You know? I want to keep

1423
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:47,560
doing this so slowly over time I started to put

1424
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:53,479
together the Our Strange Guy's podcast, which is kind of

1425
01:18:53,520 --> 01:19:00,399
my search for what this phenomenon could be, how it

1426
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:06,560
influences not only our culture but our country as a whole.

1427
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:11,800
Like we talk about we have like Mothmand Festival and

1428
01:19:12,359 --> 01:19:15,399
Roswell has a festival and all this stuff. It has

1429
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,680
a big impact on our society and that's something I've

1430
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,960
always found fascinating and how does it affect people in

1431
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:27,479
an individual way and in that larger sociological perspective. So

1432
01:19:28,119 --> 01:19:31,159
that's what I hope to bring to this podcast and

1433
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:37,119
tell some interesting stories along the way. Right now, you

1434
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:42,399
could definitely find us on every single podcasting app and

1435
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:47,760
platform at this point, We're on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. Just

1436
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:52,359
search for our strange guys. So yeah, that's really what

1437
01:19:52,399 --> 01:19:56,239
I'm hoping to bring to this thing, is baby, just

1438
01:19:56,319 --> 01:20:03,039
look at the even just the personal human perspective on

1439
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,640
how this how it affects us, because it really is

1440
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:07,600
so fascinating.

1441
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 13: So to give an example the stuff you cover on

1442
01:20:11,039 --> 01:20:13,039
a show, I actually got this from your show because

1443
01:20:13,079 --> 01:20:17,000
I didn't know before this, But you know, everybody's familiar

1444
01:20:17,039 --> 01:20:21,000
with close encounters of the third kind, but you actually

1445
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:22,640
went in depth. And I don't expect you to go

1446
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,640
completely in depth because people need to tune into your

1447
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,000
show and listen if they want all the details, but

1448
01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:32,399
kind of cover briefly the different types of encounters first encounter,

1449
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:37,039
second encounter, third encounter and give us an idea of

1450
01:20:37,079 --> 01:20:39,000
what those actually consist of.

1451
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:47,159
Speaker 5: Sure so j. Allen Heinek is the guy that we

1452
01:20:47,319 --> 01:20:52,279
get the close encounter scale from. He was basically studying

1453
01:20:52,279 --> 01:20:56,840
this phenomenon from the ground floor. He was in when

1454
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:01,039
this became a hot hot but an issue in nineteen

1455
01:21:01,119 --> 01:21:05,159
forty seven. So over the course of time he develops

1456
01:21:05,239 --> 01:21:10,920
this close encounter scale, which is it's this really interesting

1457
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:16,239
scale designed to categorize certain sightings. So you have the

1458
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:19,600
close encounter of the first kind, which is basically the

1459
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:24,079
sighting of an object within five hundred feet. So for

1460
01:21:24,119 --> 01:21:27,479
an example of this, probably the most famous close encounter

1461
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:31,000
the first kind would be the Phoenix lights case of

1462
01:21:31,119 --> 01:21:36,399
nineteen ninety seven, where hundreds of people saw this boomerang

1463
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,319
shaped object with lights on the bottom of it over

1464
01:21:40,359 --> 01:21:44,199
the course of two states from I believe it was

1465
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,319
Arizona and New Mexico, although and it ended up going

1466
01:21:49,359 --> 01:21:52,159
down into New Mexico. And the thing was is like,

1467
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:55,159
even the governor of Arizona saw this thing, and at

1468
01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:59,439
first he tried to downplay it, and he had this

1469
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:01,680
really hokey press conference where he had one of his

1470
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:06,760
staffer stress up as an alien. And years later he

1471
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,079
recanted and he said, no, I saw this thing, and

1472
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:14,840
it wasn't anything that our military had. So that's a

1473
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,439
close encounter of the first kind. Just seeing an object

1474
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,760
usually within five hundred feet, but I would say one

1475
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:26,119
thousand feet would still account And even with the New

1476
01:22:26,199 --> 01:22:32,159
York Times article that emerged in December with these military

1477
01:22:32,199 --> 01:22:37,680
personnel having encounters in the air in fighter planes with them,

1478
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,760
those would be considered close encounters of the first kind

1479
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,720
as well. And then you get to the close encounter

1480
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:50,279
of the second kind, which is when there are traces

1481
01:22:50,319 --> 01:22:57,000
detected or left physical and even psychological. So for instance,

1482
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:03,279
if if you cite an object and say your car

1483
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,880
ends up stalling out, well maybe the craft caused that.

1484
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:11,079
That's a close encounter of the second kind. You cite

1485
01:23:11,079 --> 01:23:14,760
an object and your dog just starts barkingly crazy, that's

1486
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,960
that would be considered a close encounter of the second kind.

1487
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:24,600
Astonishing Legends did a great two part episode on the

1488
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:28,239
Delphis Ring, which is one of the most fascinating close

1489
01:23:28,319 --> 01:23:33,840
encounters of the second kind the type of cases. So yeah,

1490
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:38,359
just any when an object leaves some kind of trace,

1491
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:42,560
that's a close encounter the second kind, and close encounter

1492
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,880
the third kind is the most is probably the most

1493
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,119
fun one because it's a close encounter where you can

1494
01:23:49,239 --> 01:23:56,680
see beings of some kind. And even when Jay Allen

1495
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:01,079
Heinek designed this scale, he had so much trouble with

1496
01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:04,079
this one because he just he had trouble accepting that

1497
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:08,960
people were seeing beings of any kind associated with UFOs.

1498
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,560
But there were a couple of cases that ended up,

1499
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:16,319
you know, convincing him that you know, well, this, this

1500
01:24:16,399 --> 01:24:19,880
is this is more plausible than maybe you know, he

1501
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,520
first accepted in the my favorite case of all time.

1502
01:24:24,199 --> 01:24:28,319
Lannie Zamora. He was a cop with the Socorro, New

1503
01:24:28,359 --> 01:24:34,840
Mexico Police Department, and one day it's late afternoon, he's

1504
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,720
pursuing a high He's in a high speed pursuit with

1505
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,840
a car just heading south of town, and all of

1506
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:45,119
a sudden, his attention is caught. He hears this roaring

1507
01:24:45,279 --> 01:24:50,680
sound and he thinks it's the mayor's old dynamite shock

1508
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,000
that's about to blow up. So he ends up driving

1509
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,000
towards it, because you know, that's a smart move. So

1510
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:01,479
he drives down this old dirt road and he sees

1511
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,600
at first what he thinks is a car overturned, and

1512
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:09,640
then as he gets a little closer what he ends

1513
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,680
up seeing is that now this is an oval shaped

1514
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,560
craft that is landed. It has landing platforms, three of them,

1515
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:22,920
and there are two humanoids walking around outside, and eventually

1516
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,600
one of them sees him and is pretty much startled,

1517
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,000
and they get back in their craft, they lift up,

1518
01:25:29,079 --> 01:25:31,800
and they just you know, get get away from him

1519
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:37,640
as quickly as possible. And that's one of those landmark

1520
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:41,039
cases that hard to ignore because either you have a

1521
01:25:41,119 --> 01:25:44,640
terrestrial object or it's a non terrestrial object. There's no

1522
01:25:45,239 --> 01:25:52,680
other possibility at this point. So any kind of any

1523
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:58,399
kind of beings associated with a craft is what we

1524
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,680
consider a close encounter the third kind. And then the

1525
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,520
most frightening is the close encounter of the fourth kind.

1526
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,520
That's when the aliens need to back up a minute

1527
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:10,840
because they're getting a little too close. And that's when

1528
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,279
they're taking you out of your car or out of

1529
01:26:13,319 --> 01:26:16,800
your bedroom, and they're they're bringing you up into their

1530
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:20,359
ship and they're subjecting you to medical tests and a

1531
01:26:20,399 --> 01:26:25,720
bunch of other freaking stuff. And uh. The best documented cases,

1532
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,720
of course, are Betty and Barney Hill. They they and

1533
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,399
what's the fascinating about their case is that they started

1534
01:26:32,399 --> 01:26:36,119
to document it themselves before anybody else got involved, and

1535
01:26:36,199 --> 01:26:39,439
which which is good This that's uh, you know, that's

1536
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:43,359
good investigation techniques for anybody who has a sighting if

1537
01:26:43,399 --> 01:26:45,880
you wanna, if you want to dive more into it,

1538
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:51,279
start investigating it yourself. That's definitely a landmark case. And

1539
01:26:51,319 --> 01:26:56,560
then we have the Travis Walton case, which is, despite

1540
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:02,439
all its flaws, is probably the best documented abduction case

1541
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:06,600
that we have because it was witnessed by six other

1542
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:11,399
people and they couldn't find him for five days until

1543
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:15,560
he just shows back up miraculously. And what's so interesting

1544
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:19,039
about his case is that he doesn't think he was

1545
01:27:19,079 --> 01:27:22,920
abducted for the reason that most people think they're abducted

1546
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,720
for medical tests or anything like that. He thinks he

1547
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,560
was abducted because he decided to get out of his

1548
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,760
truck while while him and his coworkers were heading home,

1549
01:27:32,239 --> 01:27:35,640
they spot this object in a field. He gets out

1550
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:37,439
of the truck, he goes underneath the craft, and he

1551
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:41,039
gets shot with a beam of light. Well, it knocks

1552
01:27:41,119 --> 01:27:44,279
him back, he appears to be knocked out, and then

1553
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:47,279
he's taken by the craft. And what he believes is

1554
01:27:47,319 --> 01:27:49,920
that the reason the craft took him is because it

1555
01:27:51,119 --> 01:27:54,319
may have either severely hurt him or may have in

1556
01:27:54,319 --> 01:27:57,159
fact killed him, and that they brought him up there

1557
01:27:57,199 --> 01:28:02,720
to actually heal him. So that's that's always a fascinating

1558
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:06,279
aspect of that case, and it's definitely one that I

1559
01:28:06,319 --> 01:28:11,159
think still stands the test of time, even even despite

1560
01:28:11,239 --> 01:28:13,920
some of the flaws during the investigation.

1561
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,279
Speaker 6: So let me ask you this about that case.

1562
01:28:16,319 --> 01:28:21,359
Speaker 13: That's obviously the the movie What's.

1563
01:28:21,079 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 6: A Fire in the Sky it was based on that.

1564
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:28,159
Speaker 13: How accurate do you think the movie is compared to

1565
01:28:28,199 --> 01:28:29,359
the facts that are out there.

1566
01:28:31,399 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 5: Travis definitely had his issues because if you if you

1567
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:39,560
read the book, it's not as scary as the movie

1568
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,079
makes it out, because like it's so weird about the

1569
01:28:43,079 --> 01:28:47,359
movie is like most of it's from the perspective of

1570
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:52,319
his coworkers. And then you get to where they find him.

1571
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,560
He's at he's at this pay phone, and then you

1572
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:02,079
start to relive his his counter and it's almost starts

1573
01:29:02,079 --> 01:29:04,560
out like the matrix because he's in this kind of

1574
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:08,159
pod thing in a room where there's a bunch of

1575
01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:11,199
other pods, and then he gets out and he starts

1576
01:29:11,239 --> 01:29:13,960
walking down this hallway and then these grays just throw

1577
01:29:14,039 --> 01:29:18,720
them onto a table and shove something down his throat. Travis,

1578
01:29:19,239 --> 01:29:24,079
he didn't like the depiction in that movie, but that's

1579
01:29:24,119 --> 01:29:26,920
probably the only issue he really had with it. So

1580
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,199
that's yeah, that's the thing. I don't think it's a

1581
01:29:31,239 --> 01:29:35,439
one hundred percent you know, the clear depiction of it,

1582
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:41,760
because for a long time, the narrative in Hollywood when

1583
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,920
it came to these kind of movies, it's like, now,

1584
01:29:44,039 --> 01:29:46,319
these things are bad, these things are here to hurt you.

1585
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:49,800
I mean you from War of the World's you know,

1586
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,399
the Day the Earth Stood Still, even though that's that's

1587
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:56,880
kind of your more peaceful example of it. But the thing,

1588
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:01,199
most alien movies depict aliens as be hostile, you know,

1589
01:30:01,319 --> 01:30:04,880
and and uh, maybe that's not the narrative we need

1590
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,319
to go for. And maybe it's starting to change with

1591
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:11,279
movies like Arrival, but yeah, he wasn't too much of

1592
01:30:11,319 --> 01:30:12,880
a fan of that depiction.

1593
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,359
Speaker 6: All right, let's switch gears for a little bit.

1594
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:19,720
Speaker 13: You mentioned before you did some paranormal investigations, and we

1595
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:21,800
love to have our guests tell us some of their

1596
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:25,720
personal paranormal stories. And I had you kind of hid

1597
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:27,640
and think about it beforehand and.

1598
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:30,199
Speaker 6: Pick pick of one or two of them. Ount So

1599
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:31,640
what have you got for us tonight?

1600
01:30:33,119 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 5: So the uh, the the case that has affected me most,

1601
01:30:41,119 --> 01:30:47,079
and this is one that we basically we had new

1602
01:30:47,119 --> 01:30:50,239
investigators I'm part of I'm still part of a group

1603
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:55,640
in central New York, the Adirondack Society for Paranormal Research.

1604
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,840
The kicker is is that the it's not located in

1605
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:02,560
the ad Arondacks. It's located in central New York and

1606
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:11,039
we do zero research. So we were training some new

1607
01:31:11,079 --> 01:31:15,119
investigators one night and we decided that we were looking

1608
01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:19,800
for this one area and it was supposedly just a

1609
01:31:20,079 --> 01:31:23,640
flat farm field of some kind where this guy had

1610
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:27,800
supposedly murdered his wife and child and his spirit could

1611
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:31,960
be seen dragging their bodies through the field. Like everybody

1612
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,840
in the area had stories about it, but nobody knew

1613
01:31:35,319 --> 01:31:39,680
where it was. So we went looking and going down

1614
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,840
all these back roads and everything, and we just couldn't

1615
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:46,079
find it. And we stumble across this one cemetery. It's

1616
01:31:46,319 --> 01:31:50,079
really literally down a back road, dead end road that

1617
01:31:51,239 --> 01:31:53,840
you know, doesn't get a lot of traffic, and it's

1618
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,199
a relatively new looking cemetery. I don't think there was

1619
01:31:57,239 --> 01:32:01,720
a brave marker in there that was older than like

1620
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:06,600
nineteen seventy five, and it was huge, like it had

1621
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:10,520
a lot of you know area left to you know,

1622
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,359
bury people in and stuff, and like when you pulled

1623
01:32:13,399 --> 01:32:16,680
into it, you had a good like one hundred yards

1624
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,760
before you even made it to the headstones and everything.

1625
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:25,119
So we're driving that night in a it's a red

1626
01:32:25,159 --> 01:32:31,199
Pontiac sunfire and we get there, we get out, we

1627
01:32:31,239 --> 01:32:33,880
get our equipment on, and all of a sudden, we

1628
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:37,560
just start getting hits, like we had k two meters

1629
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,920
going off like crazy. Our EMF detectors were going off,

1630
01:32:41,399 --> 01:32:44,680
and like amateur idiots, we just walked away from it.

1631
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,199
Decided to go and do it in the cemetery because

1632
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:49,800
ghosts don't hang out by the carn, hang out in

1633
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:55,520
the cemetery. So we're in the We're in the cemetery

1634
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,039
for about an hour, hour and a half. We don't

1635
01:32:58,079 --> 01:33:02,960
get anything. There's the there. One team ends up going

1636
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:06,640
back to the car for I think they wanted to

1637
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,399
grab another piece of equipment, turned on their meters. Hey

1638
01:33:09,399 --> 01:33:12,680
guess what, they're going off again. I think they'd stay there. No, No,

1639
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:17,760
this is amateur hour. We're going back out in the cemetery.

1640
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:22,840
So we investigate for maybe another hour and then still

1641
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:25,760
didn't get anything. We switched up teams at one point too.

1642
01:33:26,279 --> 01:33:29,119
Then the guy that I was with, we were just like, well,

1643
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:31,640
the meters are going off by the car, maybe we

1644
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:34,720
should go over to the car. Well, might as well.

1645
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:39,000
Nothing else is happening, so turn on the meters. Sure enough,

1646
01:33:39,079 --> 01:33:41,800
they start going off. So we just stand there for

1647
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:45,319
a few minutes, figure why the heck nothing else is

1648
01:33:45,359 --> 01:33:49,800
going on, and then they stop. Okay, that's weird. We

1649
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:53,479
move forward again and they start going off again, and

1650
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,880
then they stopped, and then we keep going around in

1651
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,399
circles around the car, and we keep following whatever this

1652
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:03,359
thing is around the car, and it keep doing the

1653
01:34:03,359 --> 01:34:07,199
same thing. So we had a ghost box on us

1654
01:34:07,279 --> 01:34:11,760
that night, and I'm kind of sketchy about the ghost box.

1655
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:17,119
The results are kind of mixed, but we got good

1656
01:34:17,159 --> 01:34:20,039
results that night. We set it up on top of

1657
01:34:20,079 --> 01:34:23,520
the car. We had a voice recorder like down towards

1658
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,880
the back end of the car, so it actually recorded

1659
01:34:27,159 --> 01:34:30,520
a decent volume. It wasn't too overwhelming, and we kept

1660
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,520
asking what the spirit's name was, and it kept telling

1661
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,319
us three times. We couldn't make it out when we

1662
01:34:36,319 --> 01:34:40,079
were in the cemetery because it was just you really

1663
01:34:40,119 --> 01:34:43,560
needed to hear it through headphones. But we kept getting this.

1664
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,760
We knew we were talking to somebody because we kept

1665
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:50,760
getting the same name over and over again. And so

1666
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:54,800
we talked to the spirit for a while, and then

1667
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:58,600
eventually we just packed up because it just it just

1668
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,279
kept walking in around the car, which was really weird,

1669
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:06,399
and we didn't we listened to the audio. We we

1670
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:09,319
figured out the spirit's name was Jeff, and he said

1671
01:35:09,319 --> 01:35:12,920
it three times, and we cataloged the evidence. Didn't think

1672
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:17,000
another thing of it. And then about two months later

1673
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:23,920
we were there's this fall festival that we would that

1674
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,920
we would have a table at and we would you know,

1675
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,239
try to drum up investigations. And where it was. It

1676
01:35:30,319 --> 01:35:36,039
was actually in the Hulbert House, which if if anybody's

1677
01:35:36,079 --> 01:35:40,319
watched Haunted Collector, they would know that John Zapffis actually

1678
01:35:40,319 --> 01:35:43,560
went there and removed whatever item. I don't remember which one,

1679
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:45,960
but the place is still met haunted to this day.

1680
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:52,600
But the lead investigator pulls me aside and says, hey,

1681
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,039
you remember Jeff. I was like, yeah, I remember Jeff.

1682
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:57,199
He's like well we figured out who Jeff was and

1683
01:35:57,399 --> 01:36:01,239
like I was like oh really and like yeah, So

1684
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:05,159
there was a guy named uh, I don't remember what

1685
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:08,159
his last name was, but he had ended up committing

1686
01:36:08,199 --> 01:36:13,880
suicide at the end of that dead end road, and

1687
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:17,439
they kept asking around and asked, well, why would they

1688
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:24,439
be interested in a red Pontiac sunfire and the person

1689
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:27,239
that they asked, well, they said, well his daughter had

1690
01:36:27,239 --> 01:36:33,800
one just like it. Oh so yeah, yeah, that's uh,

1691
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:38,159
that case is kind of it's one of those cases

1692
01:36:38,199 --> 01:36:45,239
that it just everything fell into place, like in in

1693
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:51,760
ways that you don't often see with with investigations like that.

1694
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,920
It's still something that I think about often.

1695
01:36:55,279 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 6: You know, well, I.

1696
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,359
Speaker 13: Mean it's those things have a way of sticking with you,

1697
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:04,039
first of all, so that definitely doesn't surprise me.

1698
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 6: Rob.

1699
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,159
Speaker 13: I'm being honest with you, it's been fun having you on.

1700
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:09,960
I could have you on for another hour because I've

1701
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:12,359
still got a thousand different things that I'd like to ask,

1702
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:16,079
but I know you got things going on and I've

1703
01:37:16,079 --> 01:37:18,359
got things going on unfortunately, but we're definitely going to

1704
01:37:18,399 --> 01:37:20,640
have you back on in the future to maybe get

1705
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:22,720
into some specifics.

1706
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 6: On some of these famous cases.

1707
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,319
Speaker 13: Like you know, I don't want you to touch on

1708
01:37:27,359 --> 01:37:30,239
it tonight, but you can give me just a yes

1709
01:37:30,359 --> 01:37:35,039
or no answer. I've always felt like the Hill story

1710
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:39,039
would have gotten more play if they weren't an interracial

1711
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:42,479
couple at the time that this happened, because you know,

1712
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:43,760
back when, what.

1713
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,279
Speaker 6: Was this the early sixties, mid sixties.

1714
01:37:46,279 --> 01:37:48,039
Speaker 5: When that's nineteen sixty one.

1715
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 13: Nineteen sixty one, and being an interracial couple was not

1716
01:37:52,119 --> 01:37:54,880
the thing to do back in the early sixties, and

1717
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:57,640
I think that really hindered getting their story out. I

1718
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,560
think their story gets more play today than it ever

1719
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:04,800
got back then, or being taken more seriously only because

1720
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:05,520
of that situation.

1721
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 6: Do you have any thoughts on that.

1722
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 5: I think that probably does play a bit of a part,

1723
01:38:13,079 --> 01:38:19,600
and especially with the way that John G. Fuller covers

1724
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:22,760
it in the book. Yeah, that's it's It's definitely a

1725
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:24,239
part of it for sure.

1726
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,600
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, brother, I appreciate you. Tell everybody how they

1727
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:29,439
catch up with you on social media?

1728
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:36,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, thank you. I am on Twitter. My personal

1729
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:40,560
Twitter is at your UFO guy the pod. Yeah. Like

1730
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:44,800
I said, it's on Twitter at our Strange Guys Instagram

1731
01:38:45,399 --> 01:38:50,199
at the same handle. We have a facebook page, Facebook

1732
01:38:50,239 --> 01:38:53,159
dot com slash our Strange Guys, and we also have

1733
01:38:53,239 --> 01:38:56,199
a Facebook group called in Great we trust a group

1734
01:38:56,279 --> 01:38:59,159
for those that look up into our Strange Guys and

1735
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:03,239
we post all sorts of cool stuff over there. So yeah,

1736
01:39:03,279 --> 01:39:03,880
come find me.

1737
01:39:05,359 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 13: I appreciate it, Rob, and I appreciate your supporting our show.

1738
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,520
I mean you've been supporting our show is about several

1739
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:13,520
months back, about as long as I can remember.

1740
01:39:14,039 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 6: Uh So I was.

1741
01:39:15,159 --> 01:39:17,119
Speaker 13: I was excited to see you come up with your

1742
01:39:17,159 --> 01:39:20,199
own show, and it's fantastic. So if you guys are

1743
01:39:20,279 --> 01:39:23,560
listening to this and you like this, this is a

1744
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:27,239
really good representation of how his show flows. So that's

1745
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,479
if you like this, you'll love his show, go subscribe

1746
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:32,960
to it. And I got got a feeling that you'll

1747
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:35,159
be in all of his groups before too long and

1748
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:37,399
interacting with him on social media.

1749
01:39:37,159 --> 01:39:37,600
Speaker 6: Like we do.

1750
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:42,640
Speaker 5: Absolutely, thanks for having me on man, I greatly appreciate it.

1751
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 13: Oh, it's no problem. Like I said, I've heard you

1752
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:47,319
on a couple other shows. I know you were on.

1753
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:51,319
Why am I sitting here drawing a blank?

1754
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 6: You know you think you would know Sam show?

1755
01:39:58,399 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 5: Not alone?

1756
01:39:59,000 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 6: Not alone? I drew blank.

1757
01:40:00,119 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 13: I had it earlier, and I forgot to mention it.

1758
01:40:02,039 --> 01:40:03,880
Now I heard you on their show. You did a

1759
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:08,920
fantastic job on there, and so yeah, and then you know,

1760
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:15,319
we're lucky that in Astonishing Legends just had Chris Cogswell on.

1761
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:19,159
We've had Chris on. I mean, you're doing other stuff

1762
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:23,039
as far as Dark Miss Collective. We've got some pretty

1763
01:40:23,079 --> 01:40:25,199
good UFO guys between you and Chris.

1764
01:40:25,239 --> 01:40:28,159
Speaker 6: So it's phenomenal.

1765
01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:30,640
Speaker 13: And like I said, it's not always the most fascinating

1766
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,319
subject to me until I get into the stories, and

1767
01:40:33,359 --> 01:40:34,920
then all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, I got

1768
01:40:35,159 --> 01:40:37,600
another hour's worth of questions to ask. So I guess

1769
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:39,720
I really don't know what I find interesting or not.

1770
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 6: But I think the subject alone is not interesting.

1771
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 13: But the details of specifics are interesting, if that makes

1772
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:47,359
any sense.

1773
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:51,239
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean when a guy tells you

1774
01:40:51,279 --> 01:40:54,479
the story of, Hey, I traded this water with these

1775
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,399
aliens and they gave me pancakes.

1776
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 13: Story and I'm sitting out in the middle of the

1777
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:08,880
road showing them. Yeah, all right, brother, I appreciate it.

1778
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:11,800
Like I said, the best of luck in your future

1779
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:13,680
with the with the podcast, it's going to be huge,

1780
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,479
I know, what. It's already taken off, so just keep it,

1781
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:18,159
keep it going, man, and if we can be any

1782
01:41:18,159 --> 01:41:18,840
of any help.

1783
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:19,159
Speaker 6: We will be.

1784
01:41:20,159 --> 01:41:22,520
Speaker 5: I appreciate it. Thank you so much, Thank you, sir.

1785
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 1: See.

1786
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,239
Speaker 13: Rob is really fun and he really knows his stuff

1787
01:41:27,239 --> 01:41:31,319
when it comes to us. Does what is it ufology? Yeah,

1788
01:41:31,359 --> 01:41:32,439
that's what's called ufology.

1789
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:34,560
Speaker 6: He knows, he knows the stuff, and so you need

1790
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:36,760
to check out a show. It really is a fun show.

1791
01:41:37,319 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 13: And while we're on the subject of checking stuff out,

1792
01:41:40,199 --> 01:41:42,520
we have our two live shows coming up. One is

1793
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:46,680
just outside of Cincinnati and Milford, Ohio with Mysterious Circumstances

1794
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,359
with Justin Rimmel. And of course we got the boys

1795
01:41:49,359 --> 01:41:52,479
from Ohio and Nick and Rob coming up. And we

1796
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:54,680
are down to like the last twenty tickets on that.

1797
01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:58,319
What is that so April fourteenth in Milford, Ohio, seven

1798
01:41:58,319 --> 01:42:00,640
point thirty. It set a roosters there, so if you

1799
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:02,039
like wings, they got great food.

1800
01:42:02,399 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 6: It's going to be a fun night.

1801
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,159
Speaker 13: So if you need to get your tickets for that,

1802
01:42:05,399 --> 01:42:08,279
you can go to any of our sites and get

1803
01:42:08,279 --> 01:42:10,000
the link for it.

1804
01:42:10,079 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 6: Right there.

1805
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:14,199
Speaker 13: Sounds great, but I'm going to repost it probably tonight

1806
01:42:14,279 --> 01:42:15,760
or tomorrow because I know it's been a while so

1807
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:19,600
it's probably been buried. The other live show we got

1808
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:23,199
is selling out extremely quick. That's the Waverley deal that

1809
01:42:23,239 --> 01:42:25,720
we're doing. That is April twenty eight, two weeks later

1810
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,640
in Louisville, Kentucky. We have sold out the first fifty

1811
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:34,920
Waverley tours, which is seven thirty that night at April

1812
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:38,039
twenty eighth, Saturday, and then we've already started working on

1813
01:42:38,079 --> 01:42:39,960
a nine thirty tour which Tracy and I are going

1814
01:42:40,039 --> 01:42:43,119
to go on, and we've sold I think almost thirty

1815
01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:45,479
tickets there, so it's only about twenty tickets left. The

1816
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,600
live show earlier that night is going to be between

1817
01:42:48,079 --> 01:42:50,359
or not between, but it will feature us. It has

1818
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:53,800
Mike Brown from Pleasing Terrors and Diane and Denise from

1819
01:42:54,199 --> 01:42:57,079
History Goes Bump. That is going to be a super

1820
01:42:57,119 --> 01:43:01,279
fun show. That's at four thirty on that that's Saturday,

1821
01:43:01,319 --> 01:43:05,319
the twenty eighth, and I think we have twelve tickets

1822
01:43:05,399 --> 01:43:05,840
left to that.

1823
01:43:06,159 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 10: Yeah you got Yeah, I.

1824
01:43:08,399 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 6: Will post a link to that.

1825
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:12,920
Speaker 13: I mention this every time, but if you're coming to

1826
01:43:13,079 --> 01:43:16,600
the Waverly tour of the actual that you bought your

1827
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:20,279
tickets from Waverley Sanatorium. That does not include tickets to

1828
01:43:20,319 --> 01:43:22,439
the live show, So if you're wanting to come to both,

1829
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:24,039
you're going to need to get your tickets to the

1830
01:43:24,079 --> 01:43:26,399
live show because seating is limited. Like I said, we've

1831
01:43:26,399 --> 01:43:29,439
only got twelve tickets left, so get that a shot.

1832
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:32,439
And the very last thing, we've got all of our

1833
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:37,079
new gear, our new logos which people seem to really like, new.

1834
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:39,239
Speaker 6: Sweatshirts, hoodies, t shirts.

1835
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 13: We have four new designs. That's four, right, We got

1836
01:43:42,239 --> 01:43:47,039
the funky red, the funky blue, the teal, the green, yeah,

1837
01:43:47,359 --> 01:43:50,119
and purple. It's five five designs, so all kinds of

1838
01:43:50,119 --> 01:43:52,359
cool stuff. Go check it out. He'll Billy Horror stories

1839
01:43:52,399 --> 01:43:54,640
dot com. And if you want to hear a bunch

1840
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:58,359
of our episodes on our bonus episodes. You can also

1841
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:01,079
find the link to our patriot on right there on

1842
01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:03,560
our website Hill Believe Her Stories dot com. Or if

1843
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:05,039
you just want to make up one time donations at

1844
01:44:05,039 --> 01:44:07,199
the show, like some of you do on occasion, you

1845
01:44:07,239 --> 01:44:07,880
can do that too.

1846
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:11,399
Speaker 14: So and don't forget the itune reviews, which we absolutely love.

1847
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 13: Absolutely next week's show so much fun. We talk to

1848
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,439
you guys about possibly doing a reboot of some of

1849
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:22,439
the older shows that Ricky and I did, and we

1850
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:25,279
have decided that we are going to start this off

1851
01:44:25,359 --> 01:44:29,960
with a redo of Bobby McKee's. Yeah, so we've been

1852
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:31,640
there enough to where it made sense for this would

1853
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,960
probably be the first one. We just took a listener

1854
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,039
who came down to visit us, Jackie Getz. We took

1855
01:44:37,079 --> 01:44:41,359
her to Bobby McKee. She got to meet Bobby mackey

1856
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:44,319
and listen to him perform, and then we got to

1857
01:44:44,359 --> 01:44:45,359
take a little mini tour.

1858
01:44:45,399 --> 01:44:46,600
Speaker 6: It's about a thirty minute tour.

1859
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:48,479
Speaker 13: It's not like the one they do during the day,

1860
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:50,439
but the one that they do during the day is

1861
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:53,720
about a two hour tour, and a group called Gatekeeper

1862
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:56,880
Pairing Normal does that. There's three of them and they're

1863
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,079
going to come on the show Tuesday night and actually

1864
01:44:59,079 --> 01:45:02,800
interview with us about all the experiences they've had while

1865
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,840
they're doing the tour. So we'll tell you the stories,

1866
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:08,159
but we'll also have some inside information about it. So

1867
01:45:08,199 --> 01:45:10,000
it should be really cool. So look forward to that.

1868
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:12,720
Speaker 6: Guys. We love you so much. We will see you

1869
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:13,319
next week.

1870
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 14: Love you guys, have a great week.