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I hope everybody had a good time. I hope everybody
still has all their fingers, and I hope everybody had
good barbecue. It was indeed a good weekend, and I
would like to take this time she say thank you
to everybody who wish me a happy birthday. Are lying
my birthday which Julitha and many, many many of you
wish be happy birthday, And from the bottom of my heart,
I am truly truly grateful. Thank you guys so much.
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Four to July by birthday. Miss Tracy's birthday was before mine,
so once again, Happy birthday, Tracy. Happy birthday to all
the July babies. While we're at her, so let's get
on to this week's episode. This week's episode is the
ASTech UFO incident. Jerry and Tracy discussed whether an Aztech
crash of a UFO was a hoax or elaborate cover up.
The host of Our Strange Guide, Rob Christofferson, stops by
to talk about the UFOs with Carrie and Tracy. Enjoy
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Speaker 13: Hello everybody, and welcome to episode eighty three of Hillbilly
Horror Stories. I'm Jerry and I'm joined by my lovely
wife Tracey.
Speaker 14: Hey, guys, hope you had a great weekend.
Speaker 13: And man, if you guys are into bigfoot stories, this
is not the episode for you because we're not talking anything.
Speaker 10: About big bigfit.
Speaker 14: But we did buy King Kong for my nephew the
eggs if that counts.
Speaker 6: No, it doesn't. Of course.
Speaker 13: We want to start off by thinking all of our
military and civil servants all around the world, no matter
which country you represent, her work for. Thank you, guys,
for and gals for everything that.
Speaker 14: You absolutely thank you guys so much.
Speaker 13: Did you see the the I showed you a video
the other day. It was a lady who was trying
to get man taken out of our dictionaries and out
of our verbiage.
Speaker 6: Because she said that that was discriminatory against women.
Speaker 14: I will punch in her face, all up in her face.
Just please get a life, Jesus pete.
Speaker 6: It was kind of funny to hear her explain it.
Speaker 14: Oh whatever, she's whatever.
Speaker 13: Which I do understand postman should be postal worker because
there are women, and I could that part. I understand,
but she didn't even like the fact that man was
in the term was in woman.
Speaker 14: Well, it's been that way for a bazillion years, so
you just need to get over yourself.
Speaker 13: Well, there's a lot of things that's been that way
for a bazillion years. It doesn't mean we don't change.
Speaker 14: Well, that is just ridiculous. I swear I wish she was.
Speaker 6: Granted.
Speaker 13: I think this one is ridiculous, but I don't think
that's the reason to do it is just because something's
been that way forever.
Speaker 14: I hope, I hope that they don't do that, because
if they do that, then it's done. I'm just gonna
go live in a cave somewhere, eat chocolate and drink wine.
Speaker 6: Live in a cave.
Speaker 14: I will.
Speaker 13: You had problem when the electricity goes off and there's
no internet for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 14: Well, that's what'side the point. I'll make it work.
Speaker 13: Anyways, Let's jumpe real quick into our iTunes reviews, and
then we'll tell you about the story we got going on. Tracy,
would you like to read the iTunes reviews.
Speaker 14: Well, I knew you was going to have me do that.
I would love to okay this first one, I'm sure
that I'm not gonna get it right. It's Cass and
ours see. I'm loo gonna spell it, honey, because I
didn't want to mess it up. C Ass, stop laughing
at me. Jerry in a SR, thank you so much
for your review. Pin Up Girl Shaggy from Paranormal Guys
SID thirteen thirteen, stone Ubert Joho won twenty five exclamation
point and Kate n M Kate you guys. I love y'all.
Y'all give me such nice reviews. We appreciate everything you say.
We just love you. And we had some Patreons subscribers
Chris Savoy seventy four, Buddy Coochta, oh wasn't there right?
And Jen Woods, you guys rock. Thank you so much.
We appreciate you guys more than you'll ever know. And again,
I hope y'all keep those reviews coming because gives me
some to look at while at work.
Speaker 13: And Jim Woods, she jumped in with both feet because
not only did she become a supporter, she's already been
on our Patreon listener Stories episode So if you're a
subs subscriber to that and you've heard the March version
of Listener Stories, you've heard Jen on there already.
Speaker 14: Yes, we were really glad to have her, and she
did a great job, and.
Speaker 13: We had several problems with an entity not allowing her
to do.
Speaker 10: The entity was rude.
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's if you're not a patron subscriber, you didn't
get to hear this.
Speaker 6: So Jen calls to tell us her story.
Speaker 13: Her and her mom are both certified parapsychologists and they've
got a connection. We'll say, they kind of know what's
going on with each other. They've just got that extra intuition.
And Jen's telling me the story about an entity in
her house that her and her mom had both seen
that probably is a little.
Speaker 10: More on the evil side.
Speaker 13: About three minutes into it, as soon as she starts
talking about it, it just cuts off recording the phone call.
The phone call cuts off and she's just talking away
on her not realizing that we're not on there and
we're not recording. I tried to call her, it wouldn't
go through. And this was like on Facebook messengers, so
it's not like in regular you know, getting a busy
signal and we finally got a hold of each other.
We talked, we get off the subject, we're talking about
something else. As soon as I bring up the fact
that the phone cut off, guess what happens? Ye again,
phone cut off again. So she had another story that
actually tied into Grant Wilson because she'd done some stuff
with the ghost Hunters on a little couple of little
I think a Civil War fort and a house that
they did an investigation on with the ghost Hunters, and
I wanted her to tell that story since we just
had Grant Wilson, and I thought it'd be a Italie
in and there was so many difficulties. Were like, hey,
maybe we'll just shoot for doing this tomorrow night. And
she actually drove to her mom's house, away from her
house where this so called entity is, just to be
able to make sure that we got the interview. And
then we had no problems at all. So yeah, I've
never had so much trouble trying to get one conversation done.
And you know, we did other interviews that night and
it really had no issue.
Speaker 14: So yeah, it was really crazy. But man, I hate
that when you're just talking up a storm and then you're.
Speaker 6: Like, oh, yeah, it was like you.
Speaker 13: And when we called her, she was like, I'd already
finished the story and everything. For I realized you wouldn't
even on her and we were only like three minutes in.
Oh my gosh, it's like a fifteen minute story. So well,
I kind of teached you a little bit by saying
there was no big foot in this story, and uh,
I wasn't kidding. There is no big foot in this story.
We are going to have some bigfoot or dog man.
We got a bunch of stuff work, and we're trying
to branch out and make everybody happy. And we know
that some of you out there are really into cryptis,
so we're going to work on some of that stuff.
And we've got some We've actually got a lot of
experts that are kind of local to us. I know, uh,
the there's some dog Man groups that are in Ohio
that cover a lot of Kentucky and Ohio and Michigan stuff.
And then we met some some people. Steve Cole's from
what's that network Destination America.
Speaker 6: It's really bad that I should know.
Speaker 13: That thing, But he's with the same group that Jack
Kenn's with and he's he's literally a bigfoot expert and
he's a wealth of knowledge. Had fun talk with him.
I'm going to get him on so that'll cover a
lot of our cryptid stuff UFOs. We get people ask
us all the time about UFOs. We know my thoughts
on UFOs. I'm not all that excited about It's.
Speaker 6: What takes a unique story for me to do it.
Speaker 13: But what we have on tonight's show is actually about
the Aztec UFO incident, which to me is more UFO
slash cover up related conspiracy theory type stuff than it
is just UFO crash. That's the part that I really
like about this story. Also on tonight's show, we have
Chris Kerstopherson on the show. He wrote me and Bobby McGee, well,
who's on the show.
Speaker 14: Then it's not Chris Christofferson. Is he good?
Speaker 6: Well, hope not. I just did an interview with him.
But he's gonna be sad to find out.
Speaker 14: Oh I think he did that.
Speaker 6: Though I don't think Chris Christopherson is dead.
Speaker 14: I don't think I thought he did.
Speaker 10: No, I like him.
Speaker 14: Who's the interview with Rob Christopherson? Oh my gosh, I
cannot say that word. Rob Christopherson. Oh my gosh, what
can I say his name?
Speaker 6: I don't know, but I'm highly disappointed. Now, So what
does he do?
Speaker 14: He came on your show.
Speaker 6: We're just playing with Rob.
Speaker 13: Rob is actually uh, he's got a show out and
we actually heard him because we played the promo for
a couple of weeks ago. It's cut our Strange Guys, and
we talked about him a lot. I think on last
week's show, awesome show, he breaks down UFO stuff without going,
you know, too much into just the details of.
Speaker 6: A story like we're going to do tonight.
Speaker 13: He just basically breaks a lot of stuff down and
makes the average person who may not know a lot
of this stuff feel like they are really onto the
know because he breaks it all down to work and
anybody can understand that he does. But he came on
the show fantastic interview and like I said, I like
giving him some crap, but it's definitely Rob Christofferson.
Speaker 6: It's you're you're y eer UFO guy on Twitter.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's very interesting what he had to say.
Speaker 6: So have you listened to an interview?
Speaker 10: Stop it?
Speaker 14: Yes?
Speaker 11: I have.
Speaker 6: Okay, so let's jump right into here.
Speaker 13: And mentioned that Our Strange Skies is actually part of
the Dark Myths collective, which a lot of great shows.
You could check out another which is a Hysteria fifty one,
which you heard the promo for earlier. Now, before we
get into the tonight's show, we actually do have a
sponsor for this show. So let's hear a little bit
from Black Buffalo.
Speaker 6: Look. I found this absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 13: And the reason I did these stories because when I
got through talking to Rob, it's like, Hey, I'd really
like to do a UFO story that most people won't
know about. Everybody knows Roswell. This is actually really close
to Roswell time and location wise, And he said hey.
He threw a couple of suggestions out, and then at
the end he was like, hey, have you ever heard
of the Aztec UFO crash? And I'm like, no, never
heard of it. He said, dig into it. I think
you'll find it fascinating. And I can tell you this
for somebody who's not really that big on UFO stuff,
I probably went down more rabbit holes with this story
than any story we've ever looked into.
Speaker 6: And you rabbit hole well, because you.
Speaker 13: Know rabbit holes are built for one and that would
have been two So I don't know. I don't know
if you know the rules or rabbit holes, and plus
you don't like carrots or salary, and you gotta like
salary to go down a rabbit hole.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I think it's state law anyways.
Speaker 13: So so roph tells me this story, and I sent
robi message on Twitter later in the week.
Speaker 6: I'm like, basically, damn you.
Speaker 13: Because I spent so much time looking at all these
and I really didn't know where to start. There's so
many different angles on this thing that this if we
ever did a show that would have been two parts,
it would have been this one.
Speaker 6: But I'm not going to do that. I decided to.
Speaker 13: I guess readers, digest, compress it, and try to get
it all in there so I think you'll get the
gist of it. I could really be really boring with
this by going into a lot of details, and I'm
going to try not to do that. So that was
my goal is let me give you enough details without
going too far in depth.
Speaker 6: Because this thing was like follow the.
Speaker 10: Bouncing ball, oh yeah, and.
Speaker 13: It's so many twists and turns and that's what makes
the whole thing exciting, so let's jump into this thing.
So supposedly this happened on March twenty fifth, nineteen forty eight,
eight months after the Roswell crash.
Speaker 6: Now everybody knows about Rosbey.
Speaker 13: So the story is, and I'm going to just be
really brief with this and then we're going to get
into details. But the story is that there were three
different radar units that were set up at three different
locations in New Mexico. One of them actually had this
abnormally strong radar, which radars are all microwaves, so you
could just think about what microwaves do your food, so
you know what this will do with all these radars
are basically made of microwaves. One of them was super
strong and it had some type of effect I guess
on a UFO that was coming by, and it kind
of maybe knocked out the central system control system and
this thing immediately went haywire, making the flat an object
go out of control. It crashes on the MESA right
there in Aztec, New Mexico. There were sixteen bodies found
on board aliens. Aliens well, I mean I doubt that
they would have been you know, Californians or you know it's.
Speaker 14: Oh my god, how exciting.
Speaker 13: So all the rest of the story, though, is absolutely fascinating.
And I can tell you that after hours of research
on this thing, I'm still kind of on the fence
as to what I believe about it. And I wouldn't
have thought that as much recent such as I did,
I wouldn't have at least picked a side.
Speaker 14: But a die.
Speaker 6: Can we get into the story? But yes, they were
all dead?
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, let's get in.
Speaker 13: So the first thing was I had to figure out
was this a hoax? Because for years that was the thought.
It was a hoax? Is it possible it was just
a huge cover up. Well, that's the other side of
the fence to be on. So I'll tell you what
I know, and then I'm gonna let you make your
own decisions. This story can be very confusing depending on
what side you choose to.
Speaker 6: View it from.
Speaker 13: So let's cover the hoax at first. Frank Sculling, which
I think that's if I'm a guess on this. I
don't know, but the X Files was Scully and Molder.
I'm pretty sure they probably came up with her name
based on this guy. Too much of a coincidence, but
Frank Scully was a very famous writer at this time.
Speaker 6: He was an accomplished writer. He wrote for a variety.
Speaker 13: Which was I guess a newspaper at the time. He
eventually wrote a book in nineteen fifty that had four
UFO crash stories in it called Behind the Flying Saucers.
Many considered these stories fiction and based lose loosely on
eyewitness accounts, but most people just to full, you know,
assumed he's full of crap.
Speaker 6: So here's the story.
Speaker 13: According to Skully's informants, this silver disc actually landed on
the Mesa and was basically just under one hundred feet,
which I think is funny because it was ninety nine
point nine to nine feet and if you're listening outside
of the United States, that's about thirty point five meters.
Speaker 14: How you gonna act like, you know what meters are?
Speaker 6: I looked it up out.
Speaker 14: Well, I was gonna say, you did not know.
Speaker 13: That it was made of a light metal that kind
of resembled aluminum, and it was so durable though, that
no amount of heat would actually damage it. They used
up to ten thousand degrees fifty five hundred celsius to
the same no kind of damage was done. They even
tried to drill it with a diamond tipped drill.
Speaker 6: Bit, but it had no effect on it.
Speaker 13: And if you're in a foreign country, it's a diamond
tip drill bit.
Speaker 6: Sorry force habit.
Speaker 13: So it had these It had these large metal rings
on the inside of it that revolved around like a
central stabilized cabin and it had this very unfamiliar gear ratio.
Speaker 6: To what anybody had seen. So this is how the
thing flew.
Speaker 13: It was this thing and these rings inside, like a
magnetic type situation, would spin and somehow another that was
like the motor to the scene.
Speaker 5: Oh it's.
Speaker 13: There were no rivets, there were no boats, no screws,
no sign of welding. This was one continuous piece of
metal as it looked from the outside. So the only
damage that they could see was there was a crack.
Speaker 6: On one of the portholes.
Speaker 13: So think like a ship, like a cruise ship with
the holes in the windows.
Speaker 6: So there was a porthole.
Speaker 13: But after making this crack that they seen that they're
kind of making it a little bit bigger. They could
look into it and see there was a knob on
the inside. So they had a pole they inserted it
into the hole and pushed the knob. This caused a
hidden door to open up. They found sixteen small humanoid
bodies inside the aircraft. They ranged in height from thirty
six to forty two inches and six centimeters. They were
they were they were dead bodies, and they were all
burned to a dark brown color. All So Scully was
actually told that the aircraft was undamaged primarily because it
landed under its own control.
Speaker 6: So this was not like a crash. This was like
a soft.
Speaker 14: Landing, so nothing like on the inside was.
Speaker 13: No there was no damage to the inside whatsoever. So
this is where once again the microwave thing maybe comes in,
which I don't know.
Speaker 14: So you think that's what killed the aliens in.
Speaker 13: Well, I don't see from this side of the story,
I don't see what else it could have been, yeah,
you know, or maybe maybe the fracture caused some kind
of air inside And I don't know, no idea whatsoever
on that part. So investigators actually discovered that it was
manufactured in segments. Once they actually started digging into it.
Speaker 6: They had these.
Speaker 13: Little grooves that you know, the segments fit into grooves,
and then underneath it the base that they were all
kind of pinned together, so they completely dismantled this disk.
The complete cabin, which they said it measured eighteen feet
in diameter was that's about five point five meters. They
lifted it out of the saucer. There was a gear
around the cabin which fit into a gear that was
on the ship, so that's where the I guess the
gear that for the functions and stuff was on the outside,
so that could spin around without the ca.
Speaker 6: Been spending around.
Speaker 13: All the segments and the bodies were transported to Wright
Patterson Air Force Base, which is in Dayton, Ohio. You're
close to where our live show will be. What we're
our boys from Brohio are nice. Some of the bodies
were later examined by the Air Force, who said that
they were similar to humans, with the exception get this,
You're gonna like this, as their teeth were pretty much perfect.
See why is this considered a hoax? Well, Scully admits
that the bulk of his information for this book came
from two sources, Silas Newton and a doctor. G will
call him and we're going to get way more into
this stuff a little more. This is just the basically
the story. Silas Newton is described in a nineteen forty
one FBI report as a wholly unethical businessman. Doctor G,
which I said we would get into, is the name
given to supposedly eight different scientists. It was like a
collective name, so he called doctor G. But it was
really eight scientists, but to protect their names, he just
used that all of whom gained various details to Newton
and Skully. So these scientists all supposedly had been there.
They give the information to Silas and Newton, and he
wrote the book about it. Now, most say that doctor
G was not eight scientists, but a man by the
name of.
Speaker 6: Leo Jabbauer who was.
Speaker 13: About as unethical as Silas Newton according to everybody else.
Speaker 6: So you know, right.
Speaker 13: So, during the late forties and early fifties, Silence and
Leo actually traveled through Aztec attempting to sell these devices
known as doodlebugs, which that sounds you know, nice and professional. Well,
these devices supposedly used alien technology to locate oil, gas,
and gold. So supposedly the technology came from the information
from these scientists, so they used these to make these divice.
Now they were selling these detector type of devices for
eighteen thousand, five hundred dollars, but unfortunately you could buy
these same devices in like a surplus store for three
dollars and fifty cents.
Speaker 14: Yeah, my gosh.
Speaker 13: So this alien technology came from the crash in Aztec, supposedly.
Speaker 6: Now JP Kahan, who's a writer for the.
Speaker 13: San Francisco Chronicle at the time, he asked for a
piece of the metal so he could research it, and
he determined that it was just an ordinary piece of aluminum,
or if you're in England, aluminium aluminium. In nineteen forty nine,
Scully started publishing a whole bunch of different columns with
these stories on the crash of Aztec as told by
Silas and Leo. He later used these columns to decide
to write his book Behind the Flying Saucers. Now Con
exposed this as a hoax in nineteen fifty two to
nineteen fifty three with two articles that he wrote from
True Magazine. And we're going to get into a little
more about Con in his involvement of this. He even
went as far as to write Jay Edgar Hoover a
letter about all this before he wrote his articles. Who
was in Jadegar Hoover was head of the FBI, so
he wanted to make sure that this was got you know,
was out there. So one of the people and then
I mentioned I might have jumped place, but he wrote
these two articles in True Magazine is where he wrote
them to expose him. Now, one of the people that
was duped in this whole thing by buying one of
these what they call Tuoner's doodle bugs, was a guy
by the name of Hermann Flatter. He was a millionaire
from Denver, and he pressed charges in Silas and Leo
were actually convicted of fraud related charges. So then after
that everybody called the case of hoax. So we see
what's going on. Let's rehash this a little bit. So
this guy writes a book he tells about the crash.
He was told about the crash from these two guys
and supposedly eight scientists, which most people think it was
just these two guys. And these guys were trying to
sell stuff that they said was made from alien technology
to help you find oil and stuff, and was making
a fortune off of it.
Speaker 6: So how credible were these guys.
Speaker 13: Plus these guys already had a rap sheet for going
back and duping people for even years before that.
Speaker 14: So I guess nobody knew that.
Speaker 13: I mean, I guess some people did, but it's not
like they had the Internet to look stuff up. We
were talking about nineteen forty eight to fifty. So it
just makes sense that there's no reason to believe any
of this because the two guys that were behind the story,
and at this point everything we had was based on
these two guys. They were con men that were duping people,
and it was all hinged on the fact that I'm
saying they had this alien technology. So that would make
sense that since their doodle bugs were fake to begin
with to most people, then obviously they were just lying.
Speaker 14: Well they should have pulled out one of those little
alien dudes and said.
Speaker 13: See, well they didn't have one of the alien dudes.
They were selling doodlebugs, not alien dudes.
Speaker 6: So there we go. Problem solved. It's a hoax.
Speaker 14: It's not good.
Speaker 13: It's not necessarily true though, that this was a hoax,
because first of all, we talked about Kahn actually writing
the articles to disprove this and expose them as a hoax.
There's a lot of people that actually say that he
was pissed off because he wanted the story and to
want to run it into San Francisco Chronicle. They chose
to turn around and give it to Scully, who then
wrote a book about it. So they think that maybe
just because of a case of sour grapes, basically he
turned around and wrote.
Speaker 6: These articles exposing them.
Speaker 13: So the story actually stayed dormant for years, but in
nineteen eighty six, so keep in mind, this was like
nineteen fifty three when it was exposed as a hoax,
So you're basically looking at thirty three years later. In
nineteen eighty six, a guy named William Steinmann and Wendell Stevens,
they actually wrote a book called UFO Crash in aztect
In nineteen ninety eight, Linda mutan Howe, who actually she's
a UFO expert and she was also a regular on
Art Bells show that we've talked about Coast to Coast
on here so long she's been on there, and she
actually said that she had government documents that proved the
Asztec crash. So now thirty some years later, this thing
is starting to grow legs with the book that Stimon
and Stevens wrote, and with muton Howe actually coming on
and saye, we got stuff. So the years have passed,
more and more evidence has actually come out to suggest
that maybe there is a lot more truth to the
story than many thought originally.
Speaker 6: And that's where we're going to pick up.
Speaker 14: I know this is dumb to say, but isn't it
weird that just people will pick up something that happened
thirty years ago. Most people are just.
Speaker 6: Like, well, and that's the whole thing, and that's what
people would hope. But sometimes these.
Speaker 14: Things just diat down and again, so.
Speaker 6: Let's go back a little bit.
Speaker 13: And start talking about what has come up since then
that leads people to believe that maybe this was a.
Speaker 6: Giant cover up.
Speaker 13: So in nineteen seventy four, there was a professor by
the name of John Spencer Carr. Now, part of this
evidence included testimony from a senior US Air Force officer
that was supposedly involved in the UFO retrieval. The FBI
was definitely interested in what Silas Newton actually had to
say about the whole incident, especially you know, considering that.
Speaker 6: They deemed it to be a hoax.
Speaker 13: On March eighth, nineteen fifty, Newton did a lecture at
the Denver University. Now he was actually billed there as
scientist X, not as Silas Newton. The lecture was actually
attended by the FBI, or at least monitored by the FBI,
because they released an urgent teletype on March ninth from
the Denver FBI office. Oh so it just kind of
lets you believe that maybe there was more to it.
So why are they monitoring what he has to say
about it?
Speaker 14: Exactly?
Speaker 13: So here's what the actual teletype said. Two sources advised
that Silas Newton has given at least one and possible
more lectures before classes at Denver University yesterday or today
in which he discussed flying saucers, which he allegedly observed.
The person claimed to have seen several objects of which
landed in New Mexico. He also claimed to observe occupants
of the saucers, described by him as humanoids but around
three feet tall. Now, Newton had actually been escorted to
this lecture by a staff member of the Rocky Mountain
radio station named George Kaylor. Within two hours of this talk,
US intelligence officers were already asking Kaylor questions about the
lecture and what his opinions were. Kayler recorded these interrogations
basically and then at the end of these interviews, he
was told, Hey, we know that you recorded these, so
we need you to hand the tapes over. It's an
awful lot to go on for something that's a hoax.
Speaker 4: I know what the.
Speaker 14: Heck, but you know what I mean? Seriously, the three
feet tall, what they gonna do to you?
Speaker 13: Are you focusing on that? Has nothing to do with anything.
You're like four foot eleven, so I.
Speaker 14: Felt tall I could overcome them.
Speaker 13: Sorry, So soon after the Kansas this whole thing, a
Kansas City car dealer by the name of Rudy Flick.
Speaker 6: He started telling stories.
Speaker 13: But Kayler supposedly crashed the gates at one of these
radar stations near the New Mexican areas on a border,
and he had seen two flying saucers that the military
actually had in their possession. He said one was badly
damaged and the other one was virtually intact. Once again,
the FBI stepped in, and this is from that FBI teletype.
According to the info given to k around fifty of
these flying saucers have been found in the US over a.
Speaker 6: Period of two years.
Speaker 13: Of these forty are in the US Research Center in
Los Angeles. Each craft had a crew of three people
on the two that were in question that he said
he saw. The bodies in the damage ship were actually charged,
and the aliens that were in the ship that was
in pretty much perfect condition. They were in a perfect
state of preservation, but they were still dead, so that
was a situation with them. All were uniform height of
three feet, beardless, and their teeth were free of any
fillings or cavities. They wore no undergarments, but their bodies
were taped and they were dressed in some sort of
a wire So I guess there whatever their uniform.
Speaker 6: Or something was was made out of wires.
Speaker 13: So mister Fick feels that the security department of the
military feared that the sudden shock of a surprise announcement
the initory about this interplanetory travel is possibly could cause
mass hysteria. So the OSI District thirteen will interview Flick.
The editor of the Kansas City Star stated that he
was well aware of the story that was going around,
but they don't dare publish this in the paper because
it was way too fantastic. Oh so this comes straight
from an FBI teletype.
Speaker 14: Gosh, there's so much we don't know this is so crazy.
Speaker 13: Now, there's a partly censored FBI document on March twenty second,
nineteen fifty that shows a story very similar to fix
circulating in Washington, d C. So that means more than
one person actually was reporting these same things over and over,
which makes it more likely that something was going on. Now,
some other evidence that can be attributed to William Steinmann.
In nineteen eighty seven, we talked about his book a
little bit earlier. He claims that when the crash happened,
that the info was immediately sent over to the Air
Defense commander and General George C. Marshall, who was then
the Secretary of State. They then contacted the MJ twelve
group that was a military group as well as the
Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit of the US Army counter Intelligence Directoriate.
The APU worked out of Camp Hell in Colorado. Supposedly
the IPU which is the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit. Their main
function was to deliver disabled or crashed disc to a
secret location. Oh wow, so the craft was actually recovered
within hours by the IPU scout team twelve miles northeast
of Aztec. General Marshall ordered Air Defense to go off alert,
and he basically said that the radar units had advised
that they had a false alarm.
Speaker 14: No way they did not.
Speaker 6: So Marshall then gave the order to.
Speaker 13: Commence for the IPU to organize a recovery team and
contacted a doctor Vanevere Bush, who was the head of
the NBA twelve, to gather a team of scientists and
to accompany the IPU to the crash site. He went
on to name all of the scientists, which I'm not
going to name here, but there was a bunch of
scientists strictly by name. Four of them were actually members
of the original MJ twelve that was set up in
nineteen forty seven, which keep in mind, was just a
year before this crash. Doctor Carl Hyland was a geophysicist
and a magnetic science expert, and he is one of
the supposedly scientists that leaked the details of the recovery
to Leo Jabbauer. So we talked earlier about they had this.
So now what we're starting to find out is that
maybe this Leo Jabbauer and Silas weren't really as full
of crap as they made it to be, and they
were actually being leaked this information. So, but we're gonna
get into a little more of that and how much
was actually true that we find out as we as
we moved on to the story. But the IPU used
a round to the crash site to avoid the main road,
so they kind of took some back roads because they
didn't want to be seen. Roadblocks were set up at
strategic points around two miles of the recovery area, and
the owner of the ranch and his family were told
never to.
Speaker 6: Speak of this matter, Oh my lord.
Speaker 13: Equipment hauling trucks were camouflaged to look like oil drilling
rigs during this operation, and the scientists arrived later than
the IPU team and began dissecting the disc. They entered
into the craft one by one the same way that
was explained earlier. According to Scully's book, the portholes themselves
appeared to be metallic and only appeared translucent when you
actually got really close to them that you could see
that they were kind of see through.
Speaker 14: Ah, so cool.
Speaker 13: So they did everything the way they said. There was
a crack, they made it bigger, they used the pole,
just like was in Scully's book. Once inside, they found
two humanoids that are about two feet in height. The
slumped over the instrument panel, charred, but no sign of fire.
Inside the cabin, another twelve bodies were sprawled all around
the floor of the cabin. So the only difference here
is according to this story, there was fourteen, not sixteen,
which was in Scully's book. The instrument panel had several
push buttons and levers and hieroglyphic type symbols on it.
Speaker 6: There was a drawer that actually.
Speaker 13: Pulled out, but there were no wires visible wires that
could be seen. They found a book that was like
a parchment type leaves with textures of plastic that also
had hieroglyphics on a similar to sanscript.
Speaker 14: Oh that's weird, yep.
Speaker 13: They put bodies on dry eyes. They dismantled the ship
in three pieces, loaded on three different trucks with the bodies,
and put a tarp over them and marked it as explosive.
The convoy headed by night by the least conspicuous route
to a restricted naval auxiliary airfield a complex at Los Alamos,
arriving at one week after they picked them up, so
it took them away to get there. The bodies were
actually here for a year and then they were transported
to another undisclosed base. Doctor Paul Shearer eventually obtained special
preservation containers for the least damaged bodies. The companies which
actually supplied the equipment was the Air Research Corporation. It
supplied the liquid nitrogen pump, circulation system and refrigeration units.
Sure was an awful lot of details for something that
was a hoax. So the other bodies were given a
complete autopsy by a team handled by doctor Bronk of Biophysicists.
The results were actually put into a forest named the
Air Force Project assigned report number thirteen, which has never
actually been released, so this was not one that's been
declassified as yet. The bodies averaged, according to the autopsy,
forty two inch in length and facial features resembling Mongolian
orientals with dispurported portionately large heads, large slant eyes, small
noses and mouths. Average weight was forty pounds. Torsos were small,
thin with very thin necks. Their arms were long and
slender and reached their knees. Their hands had very long
and slender fingers with webbing in between them. They had
no digestive or gastro intestri intestinal track, no intestinal canal
and no rectal point. That will disappoint Nick from Brohil. Yes,
no reproductive organs were apparent. There was no blood, but
there was a colorless liquid with no red cells, and
it smelled similar to ozone.
Speaker 14: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: Now that's all coming from his book.
Speaker 13: More recently, Scott and Suzanne Ramsey have actually released a
few books and working on a third, the first being
the Aztec Ufo Incident. Scott has researched this crast since
nineteen eighty seven, is the and is the foremost researcher
in the whole Aztec incident. Him and his wife know
everything and anything. Now, what took their stuff to the
different level than the books that we talked about earlier
is they actually talked to a lot of people involved.
Speaker 6: They've done so much research.
Speaker 13: When you talk about over thirty years of research, basically
go and Suzanne's family had moved from her actually her
mom and dad. I think they lived. I can't remember exactly.
I'm going off memory, but I want to say they
lived up in the North and her mom read this
book by Scully like in the sixties and decided that
this was like a really cool place to live. So
they moved to Aztec because of this. What yep, So
they moved, they.
Speaker 6: Moved out there. They just want to you know.
Speaker 13: But then they found out that trist really was not
that fascinating when they got there, because nobody was willing
to talk about. Now, somewhere down the line, there was
a convention out there and Scott was part of the convention,
and they had one of these little like where you
buy a ticket and you get a chance to win
a lunch with somebody, and she bought a ticket to
win lunch with Scott. She actually won, and then they
went to lunch and discussed stuff, and then eight months
later they actually got married.
Speaker 14: Oh my god.
Speaker 13: So that's how, that's how she came to be part
of this. So he was already researching it, her family
moved there because of it. She was already fascinated. It's
kind of meant to be. And so, like I said,
they started researching together and they've uncovered many different eyewitnesses
that have since passed away. Unfortunately, we're going to talk
about some of them. So in the book and the
interviews that they do, it makes me kind of lean
towards this actually happening as opposed to before where I
was thinking, Yeah, it definitely sounds like a hoax, But
now I'm kind of thinking and you'll hear why I'm
kind of getting that way.
Speaker 6: It just seems like there's a lot.
Speaker 13: Of stuff that all ties into the same stuff that
everybody else was finding.
Speaker 14: Well, how did Scott get everybody to talk? Is what
I want to know.
Speaker 13: Well, I don't think that he got everybody to talk.
There was just a lot of people who weren't in
the area anymore and he's just done, Well, let me
get into it.
Speaker 6: I think it'll answer some of your questions.
Speaker 13: So the Ramseys were actually able to talk to a
lot of very credible witnesses, including those who were in
the military. And part of how they did this is
they've spent according to Scott Ramsey, they've spent probably close
to a half a million dollars of their own money
and several hundred thousand hours just trying to get these
military reports declassified so that they could get their hands
on them. So that's going to be part of how
they were getting people to talk to them because they
had this stuff in their hands. They were also able
to find the three radar basis, which we were told
it didn't exist.
Speaker 6: They literally took.
Speaker 13: Maps and said, hey, where would we place it at
and went out and searched the desert and found them.
Speaker 5: What.
Speaker 13: Yeah, they fold and they actually, like one of the
one of them actually had paperwork. This is going to
fit into what we're talking about earlier. One of them
still had paperwork in it talking about how strong the
radar was and it even had a warning to not
be using it if there were aircraft in the area.
Speaker 14: Oh wow, I'm surprised those two didn't go missing.
Speaker 6: Right, So.
Speaker 13: You can see how that fits into the theory of
what people have been saying earlier about it got basically
knocked out this guy because of this strong air you know,
wave that was being shot at, this radar wave. And
yet hear something written from the military and there basically
saying this could cause problems an aircraft in the area,
you know, And why else would you have a radar,
I mean radar typically that detects on them.
Speaker 6: Why would you have something that's so strong.
Speaker 13: That it would it could possibly disable an aircraft knock.
Speaker 6: It out this guy?
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, and you know they've talked to people
in the midst that I didn't write this in the notes,
but they've talked to people that back during World War
Two they had a similar type setup that was able
to knock out seventeen of Japanese subs.
Speaker 10: Oh my gosh, we're.
Speaker 13: Using this same technology in something like a day one day.
Speaker 14: Not so they never they never had an incident then
where it did knock a plane down or anything, because
if not, they're pretty much.
Speaker 13: No, apparently not unless you count this, because that's what
everybody seems to think happened here. So we got that
part of it. There's a retired Air Force officer and
they can't use his name until he's passed away because
that's just the way the military works.
Speaker 6: But he actually they told him.
Speaker 13: What the situation was and they wanted to meet with
him because they knew he had some information. Now, this
guy had never told his story to anybody except for
his wife, and right before she passed away, he kept
a tight lip on what he knew about this situation. Yeah,
he told his wife right before she passed away. That's
the only person he ever told the story that he
told me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what a relieved.
Speaker 13: So obviously, like I said, I can't use the name,
but they met him at a radisson and they showed
him some declassified information, so he was felt like he
could Okay, you've got some of the information, let me
expand on it. He told him that there were over
two hundred people that were involved in the cleanup, you know,
gathering all the information or gathering all this stuff and
the craft and everything. Now, he wasn't actually at the
site himself, but he had to write a whole bunch
of reports on people who were there, so he felt
like he was there by how much information he knew
on it. He said that they had to cut a
road that didn't exist back to the aircraft, and that
road is still there today. But that road subsequently isn't.
Speaker 6: On any maps.
Speaker 13: Oh gosh, so here we are fifty some years later,
it's still not on any maps. He said, hey, if
you think you got the right place, look for a
concrete slab, because they needed a crane to pick up
the parts and haul it and everything back there a
silt which is like a really soft sand. Yeah, and
he said they needed something stable to put this crane on,
so they had to build a concrete slab basically to.
Speaker 6: Put this crane on.
Speaker 13: Well, he didn't know that at the time that the
Ramseys had already been out there several times, so they
knew exactly what he was talking about.
Speaker 6: And this slab just sits.
Speaker 13: In the middle of nowhere, in the middle of a desert.
There's just a concrete slab that serves no purpose. Now,
most people, when you ask them, they'll tell you that
it's like a cap out there for the gas and
oil and stuff like that. They know that's not the
case because it doesn't make sense. It wouldn't be out there.
That's not what they would use anybody else for us,
And we don't know any different. He said, they've actually
you know, it would be dangerous to drill a hole
in it. That's what it actually was because build up. Yeah,
but he said they've actually drilled into it. Wasn't afraid
because they knew that it was a story. They've had
it analyzed. That's not what it is. So there's no
reason in the world for that to be out there,
Like there's no reason for that road to be there.
That guess where that happens to end at, right with
the cast crash. I was so anyway, so he tells
him about this, and they thought that was fascinating because
a lot of what he was telling them was stuff
they already knew without divulging that information. So let's start
talking about Ken Farley. Ken Farley is another credible witness
that they were able to catch up with. Ken was
twenty years old at the time. He was traveling from Durango, Colorado,
to San Diego. He had a friend in Aztec so
he had stopped off in ASTech at the time. Now
Ken wasn't from the area, so he didn't really know anybody,
but his friend actually told him that there was something
going on on Hart Canyon Road where this took place,
and they should go check it out because obviously there's
not a lot of excitement going on if you don't
for people who don't know, Roswell, this place, several other
places in New Mexico. New Mexico is a really big state,
but it's not densely populated, so for the amount of
people there, there's a lot of room. There's a lot
of empty space, a lot of desert area where there's
you know, just a lot of land to roam basically
where you know, that's why they did all the people
who don't know most of our nuclear testing if not
all of it is pretty much done in New Mexico
because they don't have to worry about population of people
and doing the damage. And that's why a lot of
people think, why rocks will why this place? Why eight
months apart? Why is there supposed to all these other
UFO crashes in New Mexico. I guess, if you think
about it, we've done all these nuclear explosions and everything there,
so there should be a lot of radioactivity in air.
I guess if you were a UFO or you know,
a group of people different species from outer space, you
would maybe go where you see radiation or something like
that there there might you know, if that's what makes
your you know, civilization's tick or something like that. Yeah,
so maybe that's why they were drawn there. It's because
of all the radioactivity that was so anyway, so this Francis, Hey,
there's a lot of stuff going on down to Hart
Canyon Road.
Speaker 6: Let's go check it out.
Speaker 13: So let's fast forward to the year two thousand. Scott
and Randy Barnes actually interviewed Ken in Phoenix, Arizona. Okay,
so this is about an hour away from where Ken
actually lived, but he drove up there It's important to
note that Ken was actually dying of cancer at this time,
so he was kind of on his deathbed.
Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, he died almost two years
to the day of this interview. No way that he
actually did. So the story went pretty much the way
that they've known the story to be. So now you've
got this witness that's lining.
Speaker 13: Up everything that you've already pretty much heard. But this
guy was supposedly at the crash site. Now he said
at the crash site, there were two police officers. Now,
this was the only thing that Ramsey was kind of
skeptical of because he knows that he had never heard
anybody else mentioned there being two police officers out there.
Speaker 6: So this kind of stood out.
Speaker 13: As, oh, well, maybe, you know, maybe he's just making
something up, or maybe he don't remember correctly. And keep
in mind, this is a very remote place with a
very small police force. So chances are, he said, if
you went out to there today and called nine to
one one, the chances of more than one police officer
showing up would be very strange. So for there to
be two show up, yeah, back in nineteen forty eight
would have been extremely odd. So he decides look, we'll
kind of put this on the back burner. We've got
the story, but let's see what shakes out as we
move forward. So then they get an interview with a
gentleman by the name of Doug Nolan. Now Doug actually
worked for El Pass Oil Company at the time. He
was nineteen years old, and he actually died two months
after doing this interview, but he had, you know, had
six strokes and was on this, you know, he was
really keep in mind, these guys are all seventies, eighties,
you know, years old at the time, even though they
were twenty back in nineteen thirty eight. You know, by
the time they catch up with him in I think
this was two thousand and three when he did this interview.
Speaker 6: You know, you did the math on it, but I know.
Speaker 13: He's up there in age and somebody who's had six
seven strokes, you So.
Speaker 6: Anyway, so Doug's boss had.
Speaker 13: Called him that morning, Bill Ferguson, and he told him
that there was a brush fire out on Hart Canyon
Road and they needed to get out there because the
company had some drip tanks out there, which I'm not
exactly sure the drip tank is, but obviously it's got
something to do.
Speaker 10: With oil, yeah, and they wanted to make sure that they.
Speaker 6: Got it taken care of.
Speaker 13: So they get out there and they find out that
the fire wasn't even near the drip tanks.
Speaker 6: It was up on the ridge.
Speaker 13: But some other workers came down and said, hey, the
fire is under control, but you guys really need to
see what's laying out there on the western.
Speaker 6: Edge of the of the Mesa.
Speaker 13: So Doug, like I said, he had had six strokes
and was his story extremely slow, but he seemed to
be mentally he was one hundred percent there. He was
just slow in his delivery, but he knew what he
was talking about. Well, now what he says makes Ken
Farley's interview kind of start to make sense because Doug
also said there were two police officers there. Oh, so
now they got two people who didn't really know each other.
Speaker 6: Because remember the.
Speaker 13: One Ken Farley wasn't from the area, but there might
be a sign here of him being seen by Doug.
Because Doug said that he pretty much named all the
locals that were there, but he did say that there
was a couple of people there on the outside that
he didn't recognize that very well could have been Ken
Farley and his friend. Yeah, because like I said, they
weren't from there, so that would make sense. But the
two police officers, he said, one of them was from Cuba,
New Mexic go and the other one was a local.
Speaker 6: So now they know and.
Speaker 13: They're in the processes still right now trying to figuret
who this other officer was because at the time Cuba
in New Mexico only had two sheriffs or two deputies there,
so it's going to be one of the two, so
they're in the process of trying to figure that out.
There was also a local there and they only had
three police officers on the force there, so they're in
the process trying to figure that out. But now they
got two different eyewitnesses who don't know each other saying
there were two police officer and this one that was
actually able to tell you.
Speaker 6: Where they were from.
Speaker 13: Oh, so that's kind of an interesting twist on that.
He also noticed that, you know, there seemed to be
some very well dressed men there that almost looked out
of place. And then when I hear that, it makes
me think men in black type situation.
Speaker 10: So I don't know, Yeah, that's a little bizarre.
Speaker 13: So now we got Fred Reid, and Fred Reid passed
away right after the interview, per most of the other ones.
But Fred, he was actually sent there to do cleanup.
That's what he did. His job was to do cleanup
type stuff. But usually when they were sent out it
was for plane crashes, so that's what he assumed that
it was. But later Fred was actually told by a
friend of his that the crash site was actually a
flying disc that it crashed up there, so he's gone
by that. In two thousand he was contacted by the
Farmer Or he actually contacted the Farmington Daily News and
wrote a letter of what he remembered, So he was
actually telling them basically the same thing everybody else is
telling us what they sing. So with all this being in,
it looks like that Frank Scully's book was actually approximately
about eighty five percent correct, the one that was considered
to be a hoax. Now, after talking to all these people,
the Ramseys have talked to Steinman's book where he talked
to all these different people, him and Window, it really
is starting to look like all these declassified articles and
stuff that they were showing that it looks a lot
more like a cover up hoax.
Speaker 14: Well, I think it's amazing that all these people they interviewed.
It's almost like they what they've said, they've been holding
in for years and years and years, and it's like
after the interview, it's like, oh, thank god, you know,
I said what I needed to say.
Speaker 10: You can kind of move on and you can move
on and die.
Speaker 14: And it's terrible to say that, but that seems like
a weird you know that all those people have passed
away right after their interviews. So that's very interesting too,
that what all has been found out.
Speaker 13: Yeah, because I mean, and if you listen, there's a
lot of stuff out there by the ramsays on YouTube
and the other podcasts, and they're they're pretty fascinating in
what they cover. I mean, we didn't touch the surface
of the details they're going through.
Speaker 6: I touched on the finer points.
Speaker 13: If you watch there's a video out there of Scott
Ramsey actually showing all these some or at least some
of these declassified documents and reading into it. It really
looks a lot more like a cover up than a hoax.
So I think even though I said I was on
the fence in the beginning, I think I've pretty much
talked myself into believing that this happened.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, it surely sounds like it. I just
I don't know how these people do that hold all
that information in or you can't leak it out, or
you can't breathe a word. I mean, how do you
live your life? I don't know all that information.
Speaker 13: Well, it's like one of the things I remember hearing
Scott Ramsey talk about, and this is one of the
first things I actually watched on him, which was like
earlier in the week. He was talking about that the
people who were doing the cover are not to cover
the cleanup. They were talking about comments like we did
a lot better job on this one than what we
did in Roswell and stuff like that, because the Roswell deal,
obviously it leaked out and there was articles in the
paper about this as a crash and then all of
a sudd a, it was a crash and it was
a weather balloon, and so then all the controvert That's
why you know so much about Roswell, It's because everything
that came out where nothing really came out about this
when and for people to be pretty much bragging that
we did a heck of a lot better job.
Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, yeah, they just kind of might let
it slip or something.
Speaker 13: There's no doubt in my mind that there's aliens. There's
no doubt that there's been several cover ups by the government.
I mean, we've covered to Rendlesham Forest, which I think
is a prime example of so much evidence out there
and a cover up. You know how much goes into it.
I mean, do I believe they found all these bodies?
Do I believe you know, the you know, they're holding
these bodies at all these different air force bases and
every fifty one. I don't know to one hundred percent
what I believe the level is. But there's no doubt
that they found down aircraft and they've covered it up.
Speaker 14: How do they keep those I mean I wonder if
their bodies are different they how do they preserve them?
Speaker 13: Oh, I'm sure just like thing else, probably cryogenically, so
they're probably frozen.
Speaker 14: That's so interesting and it's the freakiest thing out to
know what all actually goes on in this world that
none of us have a clue about.
Speaker 13: It's like I said, we talked about it before, and
I think I talked about it in this interview. Coming
up with Chris Christofferson. It's not Chris Rob Rob Christofferson,
but Rob wrote.
Speaker 6: Man Bobby McGee right.
Speaker 13: No, you know what I wish i'd have done this
interview would Rob after the fact, because I would really
love to have had what he said about this situation,
his beliefs and stuff. But we didn't cover that when
he just gave me the idea. But he didn't tell
me whether he believed, not believed, or what it was.
But I would have loved to have talked to him
about his thoughts. But we do talk about a bunch
of other different situations that I think will fascinate you.
So while we're on that subject, let's go ahead and
listen to Rob Christofferson from Our Strange Guys. All Right,
we got a fellow dark and It's collective podcaster on
the line with us, mister Rob Christofferson. I'm not gonna
say Chris. I'll say Rob Christofferson, even though every time
I go to say your name it always comes out Chris.
And Rob is host of Our Strange Skies, which is,
in my opinion, the best UFO slash alien I guess
podcast out there. Because I've made it clear on the
show several times. Rob, I'm just really not usually that
much into the whole space exploration or the possibility of aliens,
or even the big stories Roswell and rentals from Forrest
and all that. We've done some shows on them just
because I know people like to hear about them. But
I guess to me it's I've just accepted the fact
that they're all fact that it's just not that big
a deal to me. So what's your thoughts on, just
in general, people that have my kind of attitude or
people who don't believe at all in UFOs.
Speaker 5: I think one of the most amazing things about the
phenomena itself is that, for one way we talk about ghosts,
we talk about Bigfoot, we talk about these weird esoteric experiences,
we have boxes that they fit into, like comfortably. Like
ghostly phenomena fits into a box, so does Bigfoot, whether
you know you have different theories on it or not.
The UFO phenomena doesn't really fit into as neat a
box as we'd like it too, because, for one, we
don't know what's causing it. We don't have a clue,
and we have so many different hypotheses to to try
and expound upon it that it's really crazy, and it's
one that requires a lot of open mindedness too, and
and and the thing is is like when you talk
about like the ghost people don't get along with the
UFO people and they don't get along with the bigfoot people.
It's kind of a weird thing because we're all in
the same area. But it's for whatever reason, this topic
is tough for people. And perhaps it's because this topic
has largely been pushed by the extraterrestrial hypothesis, which is, hey,
aliens exist, or at least that's what that narrative pushes.
There are others, but I think people have a tough
time with the thought of extraterrestrial life for whatever reason.
And you know, I think that, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 13: Gonna say I don't get that either, because I think
you've got to be pretty egotistical to think that we
live in a universe as big as what this universe is,
and to think that we're the only type of life
out there other than you know, there's people out there
to say, oh, I think there's life, but it's ambas
and parasites, and I just you know, to think that
we're the only type of beans walking around intelligent beans,
I think is completely ludicrous. That's I guess that's why
I'm not so fascinated with the subject, is because I
just take it as a given that there's got to
be other living beans like us out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the that's the narrative that you know,
the hard sciences pushes is like they believe in extraterrestrial
right life, they just don't believe that it's visited our planet.
And I think that definitely, that definitely, you know, pushes
back against this idea that well, hey, maybe aliens are
flying these ships and they're coming into our atmosphere and
and showing themselves to us. But again that that also
goes to the point that we really don't know what
this is. Like most people will jump to that conclusion
that oh, hey, there these are aliens, But well, maybe
this is the government. You know, maybe the government's built
the stuff and these are all secret government tests. And
you know, there are plenty of conspiracies to deal with
that end of it. And then you have people like
John Keel, who in the seventies, the guy that wrote
the Mothman prophecies, was putting out there that hey, maybe
these are interdimensional beings and they're showing up and in
these craft but maybe they're not on a physical thing.
Maybe some some of it's a psychic kind of phenomenon.
So you have a ton of competing hypotheses and not
one of them really agrees with the other. And yeah,
that's that's the tough thing with this field is that
nobody can agree on anything, and a lot of people
are closed minded to other people's hypotheses.
Speaker 13: Well, you know, it's funny you mentioned that because on
the subject of what you just touched on. You know,
there are some people out there and I talked about
this what Steve called the one of the Bigfoot experts
from Destination in America, and I thought he was gonna
flip on me. He got so irate about the concept
that Bigfoot could be aliens. I'm sure, I'm sure you've
heard that that theory before. That's why they don't find
any bones, that's why they don't find any of this.
Speaker 6: What's your theory on that.
Speaker 13: Do you think that there's any anything at all to
a possibility that Bigfoot or Mothman or these other cryptids
that people they could be actually aliens.
Speaker 5: Definitely possible. Earlier this year seth Reedlove of small town Monsters.
He put out this great little short documentary called Invasion
on Chestnut Ridge, and a lot of stuff has happened
in that area, most famously the Kecksburg crash of sixty five,
in which practically a whole town witnessed an acorn shaped
object just crashed in the woods, and of course the
government came in and took it, and you know, it
was this whole thing about a government cover up and everything.
But one of the stories that was told in that
documentary was about this farmer on his land and he
had seen some lights out in his field and he
goes and he sees like an object in the field,
and coming out of the object are these really weird
looking bigfoot. And they're almost not even walking, they seem
to be like hovering. So there are definitely weird aspects
that with people that have these sightings of bigfoot that
aren't always talked about. For instance, there are people that
report that after having an encounter with bigfoot, they'll see
flashes of light in the sky and like green flashes
of light, and that never gets expounded upon. There are
other phenomenon like that associated with those so it could
be possible. I mean when you think about Bigfoot too,
there's like that camp that that notices these things, whatever
they are, are kind of built for the terrain. So
maybe they are terrestrial. Then again, maybe they're not. It's
tough to really.
Speaker 13: Say, way to take a stand there, But you know,
it's funny that you say that, because there are some
places where there is all that phenomenon going on at
one time. Like you said, Chestnut Ridge is a prime example.
And that's an excellent documentary by the way, and I
can't remember the other documentary he did before that, but
it was also very good. He does a really good
job on what he does. He gets pretty in depth.
But you know, then you look at Skinwalker Ranch, the
same situation out there, or at least similar. I mean,
where you've got you know, Bigfoot, you've got possible aliens
and UFO sightings, and you got this and that a
thousand you know, shape shifters, everything going on in these
certain locations where it just seems to breed paranormal phenomena.
And you know, so it does make you think that
the possibility that something could be going on that ties
all of it together.
Speaker 6: Two extraterrestrials to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it doesn't hurt to be open
to it. And there's the and that's the tough thing
about this is there's no one evidence to actually, you know,
support that. But hey, there are these weird odd things
that pop up from time to time, like nobody can
really explain those flashes of light. And I had a
conversation with Johnny L Tenny about this about how certain
things are covered, like bigfoot sightings or like alien abductions.
There are certain oddities that people fail to include because
they either don't make sense or they don't have a
place to fit them, like, for instance, in some alien abductions,
people talk about aliens wearing out of period American clothing
like modern abductions. And there's a guy where there's an
alien wearing clothes from the seventeen hundreds. What's up with that?
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's could be worse, could be from the nineteen seventies.
And oh god, I can't imagine if there are intelligent life,
they're not wearing anything from the seventies. I couldn't imagine
getting anal probed by somebody wearing some bell bottomed jeans
and a neighbor jacket.
Speaker 6: But that's just me.
Speaker 5: Understandable. I can totally understand. For me, it would be
the eighties and those like flock of Seagulls hairdoos. I
don't think I could. I don't think I could handle that.
Speaker 13: Look, I got a couple of other situations that some
people like to tie with alien abduction that I want
to get your thoughts on. What about all these mysterious
disappearances in state parks. Now, I understand, obviously it's a
state park. People are hiking vast terrain. It's easy for
people to get lost. But there's been a lot of
people that just disappear and then show back up and
have no recollection of where they've been. Sometimes they're naked,
sometimes they're you know, what are your thoughts on how
that ties together?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 5: The the strange thing about the Missing four one one
kind of stuff is that you really don't have ties
to the abduction phenomena really other than the fact that
these people just go missing. There's never usually any correlated
UFO sightings and they and it's just so weird because
they just disappear out of nowhere, Like there are more
connections to things like Bigfoot taking them than there are UFOs,
But the the parallels are there, and they're and they're
fascinating because it's just where do they go? And I've
seen a lot of interesting theories coming out, people talking about, hey,
maybe these people are walking into portals. Maybe you know,
there be like the Early if when you read Dave
Politis's book The Early Sightings, there are these weird encounters
that these people have with shape shifting creatures of some kind.
So maybe they are extraterrestrial. Who knows, but yeah, that's
that's the one odd thing about that phenomenon is that
there really is no UFO data that really comes in
behind it.
Speaker 13: I think in some cases it fits more into like
time slippage, and that was brought up my next question.
Speaker 6: Do you feel like people.
Speaker 13: Who experienced time slippage is that more of a portal
type situation to you or do you think that's got
something to do with an abduction and just being put
back at a later time where you know, you'll see
a lot of times with these abduction stories where we
just disappeared and I think we were gone for twenty
minutes and it turned out to be seven hours. You know,
those type of situations. Do you think there's a tie
into that.
Speaker 5: Very possibly, because when you talk about time dilation and
how people experience it, it's it's as if time itself
is removed, and given how we experience time on this planet,
it's very linear in fashion. You can actually just pretty
much take chunks of time out and it can make
some for some really strange and odd feelings and memories
that you're going to have about it. So that that
correlated aspect is definitely fascinating and it definitely connects there,
you know, So it definitely opens up that possibility that hey,
maybe maybe there is that whole abduction aspect, that whole
alien abduction aspect that plays a part in this. Are
there other creatures that can somehow manipulate time, not just
extraterrestrials and you know, maybe interdimensional It's it's a it's
kind of a really fascinating aspect to the whole thing,
because when you talk about the guys in Rendelsham, that
is an actual documented case of time dilation because they
correlated it not only with the watches that they were wearing,
but also when they came out they were about to
go in because they were supposedly in there for two
hours on that first night Peniston and Burrows, and they
only thought that I think like twenty minutes had gone by.
So that is definitely one fascinating aspect to it. Is
like these craft and sometimes when people interact with them,
how are they able to slow time down? That's a
strange thing.
Speaker 13: See, that's the kind of things that I love about
your show is because the type of stuff that we're
talking about is are the things you cover in the show.
Like I said, you know, it's not always specific too.
Speaker 6: Oh, let's just talk about this one case.
Speaker 13: It's occurrences and how these occurrences have affected people in general,
not just specifically. Before we get too far in because
we're going to talk about a bunch of other stuff.
Tell people about your show, how they can find your show,
and what you hope to accomplish with it. When you
set out and said, Hey, I'm going to do a
podcast on this, what was your vision on putting out.
Speaker 5: For me? Because I started with paranormal investigations about ten
years ago, it just I headed in that direction and
I kind of made it to a spot where I
felt like I plateaued, and then I started looking into
the abduction phenomenon and the UFO phenomenon, and those things
were always in the back of my mind because I
grew up watching unsolved mysteries as a kid, and like,
for whatever reason, those cases kind of just stuck with
me because they were they were always just so strange,
Like with a haunting, it's it's strange in the moment
and and it'll definitely stick with you for a lifetime.
But it was just so weird how these experiences could
fundamentally change a person to the point where some people
end up losing their jobs or quitting their jobs because
they talk about this stuff. So I was a part
of a couple of different podcasts late last year that
ended up falling through, and I was just yeah, I
enjoyed doing it, and I was like, man, what the
heck can I do? You know? I want to keep
doing this so slowly over time I started to put
together the Our Strange Guy's podcast, which is kind of
my search for what this phenomenon could be, how it
influences not only our culture but our country as a whole.
Like we talk about we have like Mothmand Festival and
Roswell has a festival and all this stuff. It has
a big impact on our society and that's something I've
always found fascinating and how does it affect people in
an individual way and in that larger sociological perspective. So
that's what I hope to bring to this podcast and
tell some interesting stories along the way. Right now, you
could definitely find us on every single podcasting app and
platform at this point, We're on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. Just
search for our strange guys. So yeah, that's really what
I'm hoping to bring to this thing, is baby, just
look at the even just the personal human perspective on
how this how it affects us, because it really is
so fascinating.
Speaker 13: So to give an example the stuff you cover on
a show, I actually got this from your show because
I didn't know before this, But you know, everybody's familiar
with close encounters of the third kind, but you actually
went in depth. And I don't expect you to go
completely in depth because people need to tune into your
show and listen if they want all the details, but
kind of cover briefly the different types of encounters first encounter,
second encounter, third encounter and give us an idea of
what those actually consist of.
Speaker 5: Sure so j. Allen Heinek is the guy that we
get the close encounter scale from. He was basically studying
this phenomenon from the ground floor. He was in when
this became a hot hot but an issue in nineteen
forty seven. So over the course of time he develops
this close encounter scale, which is it's this really interesting
scale designed to categorize certain sightings. So you have the
close encounter of the first kind, which is basically the
sighting of an object within five hundred feet. So for
an example of this, probably the most famous close encounter
the first kind would be the Phoenix lights case of
nineteen ninety seven, where hundreds of people saw this boomerang
shaped object with lights on the bottom of it over
the course of two states from I believe it was
Arizona and New Mexico, although and it ended up going
down into New Mexico. And the thing was is like,
even the governor of Arizona saw this thing, and at
first he tried to downplay it, and he had this
really hokey press conference where he had one of his
staffer stress up as an alien. And years later he
recanted and he said, no, I saw this thing, and
it wasn't anything that our military had. So that's a
close encounter of the first kind. Just seeing an object
usually within five hundred feet, but I would say one
thousand feet would still account And even with the New
York Times article that emerged in December with these military
personnel having encounters in the air in fighter planes with them,
those would be considered close encounters of the first kind
as well. And then you get to the close encounter
of the second kind, which is when there are traces
detected or left physical and even psychological. So for instance,
if if you cite an object and say your car
ends up stalling out, well maybe the craft caused that.
That's a close encounter of the second kind. You cite
an object and your dog just starts barkingly crazy, that's
that would be considered a close encounter of the second kind.
Astonishing Legends did a great two part episode on the
Delphis Ring, which is one of the most fascinating close
encounters of the second kind the type of cases. So yeah,
just any when an object leaves some kind of trace,
that's a close encounter the second kind, and close encounter
the third kind is the most is probably the most
fun one because it's a close encounter where you can
see beings of some kind. And even when Jay Allen
Heinek designed this scale, he had so much trouble with
this one because he just he had trouble accepting that
people were seeing beings of any kind associated with UFOs.
But there were a couple of cases that ended up,
you know, convincing him that you know, well, this, this
is this is more plausible than maybe you know, he
first accepted in the my favorite case of all time.
Lannie Zamora. He was a cop with the Socorro, New
Mexico Police Department, and one day it's late afternoon, he's
pursuing a high He's in a high speed pursuit with
a car just heading south of town, and all of
a sudden, his attention is caught. He hears this roaring
sound and he thinks it's the mayor's old dynamite shock
that's about to blow up. So he ends up driving
towards it, because you know, that's a smart move. So
he drives down this old dirt road and he sees
at first what he thinks is a car overturned, and
then as he gets a little closer what he ends
up seeing is that now this is an oval shaped
craft that is landed. It has landing platforms, three of them,
and there are two humanoids walking around outside, and eventually
one of them sees him and is pretty much startled,
and they get back in their craft, they lift up,
and they just you know, get get away from him
as quickly as possible. And that's one of those landmark
cases that hard to ignore because either you have a
terrestrial object or it's a non terrestrial object. There's no
other possibility at this point. So any kind of any
kind of beings associated with a craft is what we
consider a close encounter the third kind. And then the
most frightening is the close encounter of the fourth kind.
That's when the aliens need to back up a minute
because they're getting a little too close. And that's when
they're taking you out of your car or out of
your bedroom, and they're they're bringing you up into their
ship and they're subjecting you to medical tests and a
bunch of other freaking stuff. And uh. The best documented cases,
of course, are Betty and Barney Hill. They they and
what's the fascinating about their case is that they started
to document it themselves before anybody else got involved, and
which which is good This that's uh, you know, that's
good investigation techniques for anybody who has a sighting if
you wanna, if you want to dive more into it,
start investigating it yourself. That's definitely a landmark case. And
then we have the Travis Walton case, which is, despite
all its flaws, is probably the best documented abduction case
that we have because it was witnessed by six other
people and they couldn't find him for five days until
he just shows back up miraculously. And what's so interesting
about his case is that he doesn't think he was
abducted for the reason that most people think they're abducted
for medical tests or anything like that. He thinks he
was abducted because he decided to get out of his
truck while while him and his coworkers were heading home,
they spot this object in a field. He gets out
of the truck, he goes underneath the craft, and he
gets shot with a beam of light. Well, it knocks
him back, he appears to be knocked out, and then
he's taken by the craft. And what he believes is
that the reason the craft took him is because it
may have either severely hurt him or may have in
fact killed him, and that they brought him up there
to actually heal him. So that's that's always a fascinating
aspect of that case, and it's definitely one that I
think still stands the test of time, even even despite
some of the flaws during the investigation.
Speaker 6: So let me ask you this about that case.
Speaker 13: That's obviously the the movie What's.
Speaker 6: A Fire in the Sky it was based on that.
Speaker 13: How accurate do you think the movie is compared to
the facts that are out there.
Speaker 5: Travis definitely had his issues because if you if you
read the book, it's not as scary as the movie
makes it out, because like it's so weird about the
movie is like most of it's from the perspective of
his coworkers. And then you get to where they find him.
He's at he's at this pay phone, and then you
start to relive his his counter and it's almost starts
out like the matrix because he's in this kind of
pod thing in a room where there's a bunch of
other pods, and then he gets out and he starts
walking down this hallway and then these grays just throw
them onto a table and shove something down his throat. Travis,
he didn't like the depiction in that movie, but that's
probably the only issue he really had with it. So
that's yeah, that's the thing. I don't think it's a
one hundred percent you know, the clear depiction of it,
because for a long time, the narrative in Hollywood when
it came to these kind of movies, it's like, now,
these things are bad, these things are here to hurt you.
I mean you from War of the World's you know,
the Day the Earth Stood Still, even though that's that's
kind of your more peaceful example of it. But the thing,
most alien movies depict aliens as be hostile, you know,
and and uh, maybe that's not the narrative we need
to go for. And maybe it's starting to change with
movies like Arrival, but yeah, he wasn't too much of
a fan of that depiction.
Speaker 6: All right, let's switch gears for a little bit.
Speaker 13: You mentioned before you did some paranormal investigations, and we
love to have our guests tell us some of their
personal paranormal stories. And I had you kind of hid
and think about it beforehand and.
Speaker 6: Pick pick of one or two of them. Ount So
what have you got for us tonight?
Speaker 5: So the uh, the the case that has affected me most,
and this is one that we basically we had new
investigators I'm part of I'm still part of a group
in central New York, the Adirondack Society for Paranormal Research.
The kicker is is that the it's not located in
the ad Arondacks. It's located in central New York and
we do zero research. So we were training some new
investigators one night and we decided that we were looking
for this one area and it was supposedly just a
flat farm field of some kind where this guy had
supposedly murdered his wife and child and his spirit could
be seen dragging their bodies through the field. Like everybody
in the area had stories about it, but nobody knew
where it was. So we went looking and going down
all these back roads and everything, and we just couldn't
find it. And we stumble across this one cemetery. It's
really literally down a back road, dead end road that
you know, doesn't get a lot of traffic, and it's
a relatively new looking cemetery. I don't think there was
a brave marker in there that was older than like
nineteen seventy five, and it was huge, like it had
a lot of you know area left to you know,
bury people in and stuff, and like when you pulled
into it, you had a good like one hundred yards
before you even made it to the headstones and everything.
So we're driving that night in a it's a red
Pontiac sunfire and we get there, we get out, we
get our equipment on, and all of a sudden, we
just start getting hits, like we had k two meters
going off like crazy. Our EMF detectors were going off,
and like amateur idiots, we just walked away from it.
Decided to go and do it in the cemetery because
ghosts don't hang out by the carn, hang out in
the cemetery. So we're in the We're in the cemetery
for about an hour, hour and a half. We don't
get anything. There's the there. One team ends up going
back to the car for I think they wanted to
grab another piece of equipment, turned on their meters. Hey
guess what, they're going off again. I think they'd stay there. No, No,
this is amateur hour. We're going back out in the cemetery.
So we investigate for maybe another hour and then still
didn't get anything. We switched up teams at one point too.
Then the guy that I was with, we were just like, well,
the meters are going off by the car, maybe we
should go over to the car. Well, might as well.
Nothing else is happening, so turn on the meters. Sure enough,
they start going off. So we just stand there for
a few minutes, figure why the heck nothing else is
going on, and then they stop. Okay, that's weird. We
move forward again and they start going off again, and
then they stopped, and then we keep going around in
circles around the car, and we keep following whatever this
thing is around the car, and it keep doing the
same thing. So we had a ghost box on us
that night, and I'm kind of sketchy about the ghost box.
The results are kind of mixed, but we got good
results that night. We set it up on top of
the car. We had a voice recorder like down towards
the back end of the car, so it actually recorded
a decent volume. It wasn't too overwhelming, and we kept
asking what the spirit's name was, and it kept telling
us three times. We couldn't make it out when we
were in the cemetery because it was just you really
needed to hear it through headphones. But we kept getting this.
We knew we were talking to somebody because we kept
getting the same name over and over again. And so
we talked to the spirit for a while, and then
eventually we just packed up because it just it just
kept walking in around the car, which was really weird,
and we didn't we listened to the audio. We we
figured out the spirit's name was Jeff, and he said
it three times, and we cataloged the evidence. Didn't think
another thing of it. And then about two months later
we were there's this fall festival that we would that
we would have a table at and we would you know,
try to drum up investigations. And where it was. It
was actually in the Hulbert House, which if if anybody's
watched Haunted Collector, they would know that John Zapffis actually
went there and removed whatever item. I don't remember which one,
but the place is still met haunted to this day.
But the lead investigator pulls me aside and says, hey,
you remember Jeff. I was like, yeah, I remember Jeff.
He's like well we figured out who Jeff was and
like I was like oh really and like yeah, So
there was a guy named uh, I don't remember what
his last name was, but he had ended up committing
suicide at the end of that dead end road, and
they kept asking around and asked, well, why would they
be interested in a red Pontiac sunfire and the person
that they asked, well, they said, well his daughter had
one just like it. Oh so yeah, yeah, that's uh,
that case is kind of it's one of those cases
that it just everything fell into place, like in in
ways that you don't often see with with investigations like that.
It's still something that I think about often.
Speaker 6: You know, well, I.
Speaker 13: Mean it's those things have a way of sticking with you,
first of all, so that definitely doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 6: Rob.
Speaker 13: I'm being honest with you, it's been fun having you on.
I could have you on for another hour because I've
still got a thousand different things that I'd like to ask,
but I know you got things going on and I've
got things going on unfortunately, but we're definitely going to
have you back on in the future to maybe get
into some specifics.
Speaker 6: On some of these famous cases.
Speaker 13: Like you know, I don't want you to touch on
it tonight, but you can give me just a yes
or no answer. I've always felt like the Hill story
would have gotten more play if they weren't an interracial
couple at the time that this happened, because you know,
back when, what.
Speaker 6: Was this the early sixties, mid sixties.
Speaker 5: When that's nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 13: Nineteen sixty one, and being an interracial couple was not
the thing to do back in the early sixties, and
I think that really hindered getting their story out. I
think their story gets more play today than it ever
got back then, or being taken more seriously only because
of that situation.
Speaker 6: Do you have any thoughts on that.
Speaker 5: I think that probably does play a bit of a part,
and especially with the way that John G. Fuller covers
it in the book. Yeah, that's it's It's definitely a
part of it for sure.
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, brother, I appreciate you. Tell everybody how they
catch up with you on social media?
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, thank you. I am on Twitter. My personal
Twitter is at your UFO guy the pod. Yeah. Like
I said, it's on Twitter at our Strange Guys Instagram
at the same handle. We have a facebook page, Facebook
dot com slash our Strange Guys, and we also have
a Facebook group called in Great we trust a group
for those that look up into our Strange Guys and
we post all sorts of cool stuff over there. So yeah,
come find me.
Speaker 13: I appreciate it, Rob, and I appreciate your supporting our show.
I mean you've been supporting our show is about several
months back, about as long as I can remember.
Speaker 6: Uh So I was.
Speaker 13: I was excited to see you come up with your
own show, and it's fantastic. So if you guys are
listening to this and you like this, this is a
really good representation of how his show flows. So that's
if you like this, you'll love his show, go subscribe
to it. And I got got a feeling that you'll
be in all of his groups before too long and
interacting with him on social media.
Speaker 6: Like we do.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, thanks for having me on man, I greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 13: Oh, it's no problem. Like I said, I've heard you
on a couple other shows. I know you were on.
Why am I sitting here drawing a blank?
Speaker 6: You know you think you would know Sam show?
Speaker 5: Not alone?
Speaker 6: Not alone? I drew blank.
Speaker 13: I had it earlier, and I forgot to mention it.
Now I heard you on their show. You did a
fantastic job on there, and so yeah, and then you know,
we're lucky that in Astonishing Legends just had Chris Cogswell on.
We've had Chris on. I mean, you're doing other stuff
as far as Dark Miss Collective. We've got some pretty
good UFO guys between you and Chris.
Speaker 6: So it's phenomenal.
Speaker 13: And like I said, it's not always the most fascinating
subject to me until I get into the stories, and
then all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, I got
another hour's worth of questions to ask. So I guess
I really don't know what I find interesting or not.
Speaker 6: But I think the subject alone is not interesting.
Speaker 13: But the details of specifics are interesting, if that makes
any sense.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean when a guy tells you
the story of, Hey, I traded this water with these
aliens and they gave me pancakes.
Speaker 13: Story and I'm sitting out in the middle of the
road showing them. Yeah, all right, brother, I appreciate it.
Like I said, the best of luck in your future
with the with the podcast, it's going to be huge,
I know, what. It's already taken off, so just keep it,
keep it going, man, and if we can be any
of any help.
Speaker 6: We will be.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it. Thank you so much, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 13: Rob is really fun and he really knows his stuff
when it comes to us. Does what is it ufology? Yeah,
that's what's called ufology.
Speaker 6: He knows, he knows the stuff, and so you need
to check out a show. It really is a fun show.
Speaker 13: And while we're on the subject of checking stuff out,
we have our two live shows coming up. One is
just outside of Cincinnati and Milford, Ohio with Mysterious Circumstances
with Justin Rimmel. And of course we got the boys
from Ohio and Nick and Rob coming up. And we
are down to like the last twenty tickets on that.
What is that so April fourteenth in Milford, Ohio, seven
point thirty. It set a roosters there, so if you
like wings, they got great food.
Speaker 6: It's going to be a fun night.
Speaker 13: So if you need to get your tickets for that,
you can go to any of our sites and get
the link for it.
Speaker 6: Right there.
Speaker 13: Sounds great, but I'm going to repost it probably tonight
or tomorrow because I know it's been a while so
it's probably been buried. The other live show we got
is selling out extremely quick. That's the Waverley deal that
we're doing. That is April twenty eight, two weeks later
in Louisville, Kentucky. We have sold out the first fifty
Waverley tours, which is seven thirty that night at April
twenty eighth, Saturday, and then we've already started working on
a nine thirty tour which Tracy and I are going
to go on, and we've sold I think almost thirty
tickets there, so it's only about twenty tickets left. The
live show earlier that night is going to be between
or not between, but it will feature us. It has
Mike Brown from Pleasing Terrors and Diane and Denise from
History Goes Bump. That is going to be a super
fun show. That's at four thirty on that that's Saturday,
the twenty eighth, and I think we have twelve tickets
left to that.
Speaker 10: Yeah you got Yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Will post a link to that.
Speaker 13: I mention this every time, but if you're coming to
the Waverly tour of the actual that you bought your
tickets from Waverley Sanatorium. That does not include tickets to
the live show, So if you're wanting to come to both,
you're going to need to get your tickets to the
live show because seating is limited. Like I said, we've
only got twelve tickets left, so get that a shot.
And the very last thing, we've got all of our
new gear, our new logos which people seem to really like, new.
Speaker 6: Sweatshirts, hoodies, t shirts.
Speaker 13: We have four new designs. That's four, right, We got
the funky red, the funky blue, the teal, the green, yeah,
and purple. It's five five designs, so all kinds of
cool stuff. Go check it out. He'll Billy Horror stories
dot com. And if you want to hear a bunch
of our episodes on our bonus episodes. You can also
find the link to our patriot on right there on
our website Hill Believe Her Stories dot com. Or if
you just want to make up one time donations at
the show, like some of you do on occasion, you
can do that too.
Speaker 14: So and don't forget the itune reviews, which we absolutely love.
Speaker 13: Absolutely next week's show so much fun. We talk to
you guys about possibly doing a reboot of some of
the older shows that Ricky and I did, and we
have decided that we are going to start this off
with a redo of Bobby McKee's. Yeah, so we've been
there enough to where it made sense for this would
probably be the first one. We just took a listener
who came down to visit us, Jackie Getz. We took
her to Bobby McKee. She got to meet Bobby mackey
and listen to him perform, and then we got to
take a little mini tour.
Speaker 6: It's about a thirty minute tour.
Speaker 13: It's not like the one they do during the day,
but the one that they do during the day is
about a two hour tour, and a group called Gatekeeper
Pairing Normal does that. There's three of them and they're
going to come on the show Tuesday night and actually
interview with us about all the experiences they've had while
they're doing the tour. So we'll tell you the stories,
but we'll also have some inside information about it. So
it should be really cool. So look forward to that.
Speaker 6: Guys. We love you so much. We will see you
next week.
Speaker 14: Love you guys, have a great week.