WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:04.000 It's drivetime. It's a Wednesday afternoon. We are looking at 2 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:06.480 about eleven minutes past the hour of two o'clock. 3 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:08.400 It feels a little. 4 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:10.679 Bit like July outside, and I'll take it on this 5 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:15.560 really warm sunny Wednesday afternoon in September. 6 00:00:16.120 --> 00:00:17.800 But as it is every single day, it's going to 7 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:18.800 have you along for the ride. 8 00:00:18.839 --> 00:00:21.640 Spence check h it's behind the mic, Porter Larson just 9 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:23.760 to flew a few blocks away from each other today, 10 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:26.559 Porters beyond the glass, making sure that we stay on air, 11 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:29.879 making sure that everything goes well. We are out and 12 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:32.039 about as we are wont to do from time to 13 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:35.200 time with our good friends at beer bar. So it's 14 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:38.000 right downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. It's one sixty one 15 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:39.079 East two hundred. 16 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:41.200 South, and it's popping this afternoon. 17 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:44.359 We've got a couple of soccer matches on the television sets. 18 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:48.320 We have a NFL game from last weekend being shown 19 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:50.679 as well. And a little birdie just told me they're 20 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:53.920 shooting a commercial right next to us. 21 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:54.640 In bar x. 22 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:56.960 So we might see a little Typerell today, we might 23 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:00.880 see a little Nick Romando today. And we've already seen 24 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.280 dunkin our guy Duncan and the good people down here 25 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:03.759 at Beer Bar. 26 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:05.519 I've been coming down here doing remotes for a number 27 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:06.040 of years. 28 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:08.640 It's a great spot if you're looking for something to 29 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:11.000 do this Wednesday afternoon. If you happen to be off work, 30 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:13.040 or maybe you work from home, come work from here. 31 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:16.040 They've got over one hundred and fifty beers on tap, 32 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:18.599 a bunch of bottled and canned beers as well. 33 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:21.319 If you're not a drinker, they've got mineral water. 34 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:24.599 They've got soda kombucha if you're in the mood for 35 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:27.879 a little kombucha on a Wednesday. They've got amazing sausages 36 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:31.680 and burgers. They got burntz fries, homemade sour dough bread. 37 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:33.040 So it's a great place. 38 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:36.359 It is the spot to come watch all the RSL games, 39 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:40.040 every match. No blackouts here at Beer Bar, right downtown 40 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:41.519 in Salt Lake City, Utah. 41 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:42.599 So come on by and say hi. 42 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.799 We'll be here up until about six o'clock tonight with 43 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:49.920 a busy, busy show on a Wednesday afternoon, as we 44 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:52.280 get you halfway through your work weekend. 45 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:54.719 One day closer to the weekend. 46 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:57.560 Good guest lists on the show today, really good guestless 47 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:00.640 on the show today Wednesday, on this this little old 48 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:02.920 radio program is when we kind of turn the page 49 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:06.680 to the weekend ahead and leave what's happened behind us 50 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:10.759 where it is no longer really need to dig into much. Obviously, 51 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:12.039 there's a lot to do to get you ready for 52 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:16.400 a big college football weekend, both locally and nationally. Of course, 53 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:20.159 the University of Utah back at it coming up Saturday. 54 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:21.520 It's gonna be a late kick. 55 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:24.159 But the weather, my goodness, it's gonna be like seventy 56 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:28.879 degrees seventy five degrees at eight o'clock eight fifteen when 57 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:31.240 that game kicks off here in Salt Lake, Arizona rolls 58 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:33.680 into town. Revenge on the mind of these utes. They've 59 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:36.439 been talking about it all week long. A lot of 60 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:38.800 this sound you hear from practice. A lot of the 61 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:41.520 players and coaches certainly remember a year ago when Arizona 62 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:43.599 got the best of Utah down at their place. And 63 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:46.680 now it's Utah's turn here in Salt Lake. So linus 64 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:49.280 moved a couple of different times as we talk to 65 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:53.319 you today. Right now it's Utah minus eleven point five. 66 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:57.039 At one point it was Utah minus nine. Utah minus 67 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:01.000 eleven point five as we talk today, and the over 68 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:04.520 under is forty seven point five. As Arizona rolls into town, 69 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:06.840 I will talk to you football today, the latest on 70 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:09.599 the quarterback situation, the latest on the overall health of 71 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:13.599 the team heading into Arizona after starting the season four 72 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:16.759 and oh and cleaning conference play with one win and 73 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:17.479 zero loss. 74 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:19.240 As the number ten team in the country. 75 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:23.800 Resides here in Salt Lake City, Utah, BYU is gonna 76 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.319 have a little brunch in Waco as they head down 77 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:29.039 to Baylor to take on the Baylor Bears. 78 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:31.319 Baylor, coming off a heartbreaking last. 79 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:35.840 Second loss against Colorado, was a hail Mary from Sidor 80 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.199 Sanders that led Colorado to that win over Baylor. 81 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:41.039 Baylor looks better than they did a year ago. 82 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:45.680 If BYU wants to prove to everybody, and by everybody, 83 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:49.400 I kind of mean everybody, including you know, the BYU 84 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.439 air quotes media members that just simply work for the school. 85 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:54.840 There are a lot of people that are still a 86 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:56.960 little bit wary. 87 00:03:57.319 --> 00:03:58.240 Of saying out loud. 88 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:02.879 BYU is a legitimate Big twelve Conference championship contender just 89 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:06.120 because of the advantageous dynamic of what happened against K 90 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:07.599 State last Saturday night in Provo. 91 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:12.639 Now, I've been very impressed with the coaches Kilane, Kelly Papinga, 92 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.439 a Rod J. Hill. Their media this week. 93 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:20.759 They've been very sometimes Papinga was pretty brutally honest about 94 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.000 how fortunate they were to have the ball bounce their 95 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.560 way and how many holes that they need to close 96 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:29.160 before they can really say out loud they're a big 97 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:33.319 twelve championship contender. But say whatever you want, Undressing K 98 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:36.079 State the way they did is going to get you 99 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:39.439 some national attention, which it has, so big weekend head 100 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:42.279 for Utah, big weekendhead for BYU. We've got two really 101 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:46.160 good football teams in our state. Utah States will be 102 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.680 at Boise after they're bye. 103 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:50.160 So they got smoked by Temple. 104 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:52.879 It's not a great time up in Logan right now, 105 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:55.160 unless you're excited about the PAC twelve, speaking of which 106 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:58.120 we'll get to the latest with the conference expansion, latest 107 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:01.560 on the Mountain West Conference and the PAC twelve. 108 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:03.319 And they're jarring back and forth. We'll get to that 109 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:04.160 on the show today. 110 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:07.560 A story you want to dig into, we'll do this 111 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:11.439 coming up at about three point thirty. Matthew Sluca has 112 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:15.439 left UNLV over an nil dispute worth about one hundred 113 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:18.639 thousand dollars. Now UNLV is undefeated, might be the best 114 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:23.079 group of five team in the country, with Vegas odds 115 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:25.959 favoring them to potentially get a bid into the twelve 116 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:29.920 team CFP. This is a big, big story, so we'll 117 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:31.839 get to some of this on the program today. 118 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:33.000 All right, good guest, let's. 119 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:35.000 Starting things out today on a Wednesday afternoon. We'll be 120 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:38.560 Aaron Falk, the editor of the sports section for the 121 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.879 Salt Lake Tribune, get the latest with the trips coverage 122 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.199 of our local college football team to a little Utah 123 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.040 hockey club as the new Utah Hockey Club, be writers 124 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:50.000 on the ground, and then we'll bring in the head 125 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:53.720 ball coach himself. Now, we do not get a lot 126 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:56.959 of Utah players and coaches on afternoon drives simply because 127 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:58.720 they're practicing when we're on air. 128 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.920 Himself will stop by today, coming up at three o'clock. 129 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:06.920 So set your calendars, set your alarms for that three o'clock. 130 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:11.319 Kyle Whittingham on the drive today. Dalton Wasserman Pro Football Focus. 131 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:15.279 Week four of Pro Football gets rolling tomorrow with the 132 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.720 Giants and the Cowboys. Safe to say it must win 133 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.279 for Porter's Cowboys. I don't think there's any doubt about 134 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:23.120 that after the rough start this season. So we'll talk 135 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:26.680 some pro football with Dalden Josh Pate. That's right, the 136 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:29.920 emerging college football superstar media member will. 137 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:34.000 Stop by today. The eyes of the college football. 138 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:38.800 World will emerge, I should say, be extremely honed in 139 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:43.120 on what's going on down in Tuscaloosa at Brian Denny Stadium, 140 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.240 as Alabama is a home underdog for the first time 141 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:52.920 since two thousand and seven. Georgia Bama Primetime, ABC, Tuscaloosa. 142 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:54.800 So we'll get with Josh pay today on the program 143 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:55.120 as well. 144 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:59.600 So Aaron Falk, Kyle Whittingham, Dalton Wasserman, Josh Pate. 145 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:00.240 Me Spence check. 146 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.120 It's live at Beer Bar Won sixty one East, two 147 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:04.519 hundred South, just a couple of blocks I guess that 148 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:08.480 would be southwest of US is where we find Porter 149 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:11.040 Larsen on a September day that feels like it feels 150 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:11.839 like a July day. 151 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:13.279 How's your Wednesday, buddy? 152 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:16.800 It is quite warm out there. It does feel a 153 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:20.680 bit like a summer day. Although we did officially transition 154 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:24.600 just to a few short days ago. But it is 155 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:28.959 fall in a football sense, and when Kyle Whittingham is 156 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:33.079 on your radio show, that that is the case. That 157 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:33.879 is the case today. 158 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:36.000 Yes, indeed, so I look forward to catching up a 159 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:37.959 coach with We get to do this once or twice a. 160 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:40.680 Year on the program all Right Live at Beer Bar, 161 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:42.600 Aaron Falks. Gonna have a lead off today. 162 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:45.439 But before we get with Aaron, courtesy of our good 163 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:49.160 friends at Standard Restaurant Supplies, Standard Restaurant Supplies. 164 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:50.240 Your tailgate headquarters. 165 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:53.600 Check them out online or check out their location for 166 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:55.360 all of your tailgating needs. 167 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:57.959 It is time now, on a Wednesday afternoon, for your 168 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.199 opening tip to the Drive with Spence. 169 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:04.759 Check its on Utah's number one Sports talk Now into 170 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.680 the studio of ESPN seven hundred to set the scene 171 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:10.360 for the show. The opening tip of the Drive is 172 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:13.439 brought to you by Standard Restaurant Supply, your one stop 173 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:17.480 shop to build the best tailgate in town. Standard Restaurant 174 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:21.560 Supply thirty five hundred, Southwest Temple So. 175 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:25.800 College football this time of year, both locally and nationally 176 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:29.680 has proven to be really really fun, really really exciting. 177 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:32.840 I say it every year. The best situation for us 178 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:36.440 here locally. It's when Utah and BYU are really good. Now, 179 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:39.840 as I talked about earlier, I think BYU has a 180 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:42.840 lot of questions to answer for most people that cover 181 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:45.240 the sport, most people that are in the sport in 182 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.000 a way that Utah just doesn't because Utah has this 183 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.720 brand that's been built up where coach wit like Kirby smart, 184 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:54.960 like you know, some of the Ryan Day some of 185 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:57.480 the bigger coach in the country. Kyle has a benefit 186 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:00.840 of the doubt program because that's what he's earned, and 187 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:04.080 that's what essentially, you know, two decades for coach with 188 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:07.399 but a decade ish of like, okay, the Utah Utes 189 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.399 are those guys every year. It's not about the name 190 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:12.440 on the back of the jersey. It's about that. It's 191 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.159 about that you on the helmet, right. That's what Kyle 192 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:17.600 has earned, and that's what Kilani is trying to build. 193 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:19.960 And I hope he gets there, and I think he's 194 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:21.840 on his way. I know a lot of BYU fans 195 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:25.120 questioned oftentimes whether or not Kialani was going to be 196 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:26.919 the guy to get you back to where you were 197 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:29.279 once upon a time. And I can't sit here and 198 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:31.200 tell you today that that's absolutely the case. But I 199 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.720 consider and tell you today that it does appear that 200 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:35.960 progress is being made down south in a way that 201 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:38.440 not a lot of people thought progress is being made. Now, 202 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:41.399 having said that, when it comes to this game coming 203 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:44.519 up on Saturday for BYU, we'll get to the utes 204 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:46.320 in a second, I think it's going to be tricky. 205 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:49.080 Baylor to me looks better than they did a year ago. 206 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:51.159 And this is David Randa having a coach for his job. 207 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:54.399 There's no doubt they all but had Colorado beat they 208 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:55.960 should have won that game. They lose it on a 209 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:58.799 hail Mary. You know they smoke air Force the week before, 210 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:02.399 and you know the game in Utah. Obviously Cameron goes down. 211 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:04.679 It's different with Isaac Hunner center. But they simply looked, 212 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:06.480 in my opinion, better than they did a year ago, 213 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:09.120 and we just have to kind of call it how 214 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:12.679 it is last weekend for BYU, and as I referenced earlier, 215 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:15.279 I've been very impressed with their coaching staff, whether it's 216 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:18.720 Kilane or a Rod or Jay Hill or Kelly Papinga 217 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:21.799 being pretty honest about what happened last Saturday night in Provo. 218 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:24.720 Now you get the win. It wasn't close. You smoke 219 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:27.720 a top fifteen team. There's nothing wrong with that. It's 220 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:30.440 just simply the way it all went down, and how 221 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:33.679 the bounces all seem to go BYU's way. And look, 222 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:35.679 that's part of it. It's part of the deal. You know, 223 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:37.480 if you're gonna win something special, if you're gonna win 224 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:39.039 a big game, chances are you're gonna. 225 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:40.000 Have to get lucky here there. 226 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.159 And by the coach's own admission, they did get a 227 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:45.759 little lucky. Now, K State built a lot like the 228 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.679 University of Utah did gain two twenty eight on the ground, 229 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:52.840 and BYU's run defense prior to last Saturday had been stout. Now, 230 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.279 part of that was probably competition, but let me remind you, 231 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:00.000 SMU hung a cool sixty six on TCU, and BYU 232 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.840 you essentially held them to nothing, no touchdowns, fifteen points. 233 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:06.200 So I do think year two under j Hill, the 234 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:08.519 defense has been better. I think we'll see that manifest 235 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:11.919 moving forward. But I still believe last Saturday night was 236 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.840 too much of a combination of really good fortune and 237 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.960 prepared skill for me to overly say today that I 238 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:20.279 think YU is a big twelve championship contender. 239 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:21.960 I'll be watching on Saturday. 240 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:23.519 I think they have a lot to prove to a 241 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.240 lot of people before we put them on the level 242 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:29.159 of the University of Utah, who, like I said, Coach 243 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:32.080 Witt has built up that benefit of the doubt Brandon 244 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:35.279 program over the course of two decades, where it's not 245 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:37.039 about the name on the back of the jersey, it's 246 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:38.519 about the you on the side of the helmet. But 247 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:42.559 Utah welcomes in Arizona coming up Saturday night. There's going 248 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:44.600 to be an eight to fifteen mountain time kick. But 249 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.519 the weather looks great. It's like seventy five degrees at 250 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:51.879 eight o'clock eight fifteen, something like that, and I anticipate, 251 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:52.919 you know, a really fun night. 252 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.120 It is a blackout, so make sure to wear you're black. 253 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:57.399 As I referenced earlier, Utah as of now is an 254 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:00.399 eleven point five point favorite. And I've taught about this 255 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:02.440 quite a bit because a lot of people were really 256 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:04.039 high on Arizona. 257 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:06.440 You know, the Tettiora McMillan kid is awesome. 258 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.759 We've seen Norfafia do great things, but I don't know 259 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:12.639 that they're built to handle the physicality of the University 260 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:14.919 of Utah watching them against k Staate a couple of 261 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:18.399 weeks ago. That was my eye opener when in my opinion, 262 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:21.000 I was kind of off Arizona as a team that 263 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:23.399 can compete in the conference. They're not good in the trenches, 264 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:25.559 they don't have a good D line, their O line 265 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:28.559 hasn't been great as of yet. And k State gashed 266 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.720 them two thirty five on the ground. Avery Johnson went 267 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:34.000 for one to ten, the Giddon's kid went for eighty six, 268 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:36.759 and they average almost six yards of carry. K State 269 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.600 did against Arizona, And when you look at what Utah 270 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:42.639 has done ever since Isaac Wilson kind of took over. 271 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:44.919 Even though Andy has opened up the. 272 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:47.399 Playbook a little bit, they still want to run the football. 273 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:50.679 Going for two forty nine against Okay State and Stillwater. 274 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:54.159 I think we're gonna see a heavy dose of Mackai Bernard. 275 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:56.039 I think we're gonna see a heavy dose if Mike 276 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.080 Mitchell's healthy, if d Jon Stanley's in the. 277 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:00.320 Mix, I think we're gonna see a. 278 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:04.279 Old school coach Wit type offensive attack. Because I'm anticipating 279 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:06.240 Isaac Hunter a senator Ken. I don't know where you 280 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:07.759 guys are at with it, but that's just kind of 281 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:09.240 where I'm at with it. We'll talk to coach with 282 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:12.679 about the process this week coming up to see who 283 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:15.679 ends up as QB number one. But a fun weekend 284 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:19.200 ahead in college football, both locally and nationally. Again, nationally, 285 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:23.320 the eyes will all be on Tuscaloosa as it's Georgia. 286 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:25.759 And Bama five thirty Mountain Time. Georgia is a two 287 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:26.440 point favorite. 288 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:29.519 Alabama is a home underdog for the first time since 289 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:32.919 two thousand and seven. All right, live at beer Bar today, 290 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:34.519 come on down and say what's up coming? 291 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:38.519 Up next? More hardcore football. Aaron falk is here. 292 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:40.840 He is the editor of the sports section of the 293 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:42.919 Salt Lake Tribune, so he's gonna be my first guest. 294 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.279 Then we'll bring in coach with Dalton Wasserman and Josh Pate. 295 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:49.559 Lot to do on Wednesday, Keep it right here Sunday Night, 296 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.519 Granary Live a little national. 297 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:54.919 Little War on Drugs. 298 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:58.240 My next guest will be there, as will I. I've 299 00:13:58.240 --> 00:13:59.639 got to say I'm a little bummed out that the 300 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:01.919 enough is what it is as far as who's going 301 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:03.879 first and who is going second? Right, because war on 302 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:05.879 Drugs is opening and National is closing. 303 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:06.559 Is that correct? 304 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:07.840 That's my understanding. 305 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:09.240 Yes, that doesn't feel right to me. 306 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:12.159 I mean there'll be a lot of sad dads either. 307 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:15.799 Way, and I know what that term means. At this 308 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.240 point in my life, I do know what sad dad means. 309 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:20.799 Aaron Falk, the editor of the sports section for the 310 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.080 Solid Tribune. Is it look the National has been around longer? 311 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:26.000 Is that what it is? It just feels like these 312 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:27.399 days war on drugs is bigger. 313 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:32.120 Well, you know, the National, they've collapsed with Phoebe, with Taylor. 314 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:36.120 You know, there's crossover appeal here, so you know, I 315 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.039 think they are maybe a step above. 316 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.639 That's fair, and you know, while we're in this space, 317 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:45.000 of course, was it last year when Phoebe came downtown 318 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:45.720 or two years ago? 319 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:49.080 I don't remember, but I remember that we were the 320 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:49.840 oldest people there. 321 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.759 A young, very young person came up to me and said, Hey, 322 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:57.840 aren't you Spence check Its? And I said yes, and 323 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:01.279 he said, my dad loves you the Phoebe show. So 324 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:03.200 I'm probably in for some more of this coming up 325 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:03.840 on Sunday night. 326 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:05.759 In a couple of years, it was like will Be, 327 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:08.200 didn't you used to be Spence Technens, you know, and. 328 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:10.080 Then kind of already feel that way. But you know, 329 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:12.399 what are you gonna do? We're aging hope to see 330 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:14.240 you guys on Sunday night. It'll be a great show, 331 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:19.879 all right, Aaron. Let's start with a historic week for 332 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.080 a couple of different reasons, some good, some bad. The 333 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:25.600 bad is the capital city said goodbye to the Bees. 334 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:29.360 After thirty years of Smith's Ballpark and almost one hundred 335 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:31.799 years of history of minor league baseball in Salt Lake City, 336 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:34.799 it now belongs to our friends out south at daybreak 337 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:37.000 once to a couple of games this year. Wasn't able 338 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:38.320 to make it out over the weekend. I know that 339 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:40.399 you did. We talked to Tony Parks a couple of 340 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:44.120 times to promote the games and also to recap them. 341 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:46.480 What are your thoughts now that it's official the Bees 342 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:47.600 are moving down South? 343 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.200 Yeah, I mean I look at it. There are a 344 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:52.200 couple of different lenses that I would look at this with, 345 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:55.720 and one is like a very personal you know, Salt 346 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:58.039 Laker like we you know, we live in you know, 347 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:01.879 in the neighborhood roughlying and so you feel a personal 348 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:05.879 connection to grew up going to those games. It's nearby. 349 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:08.919 There's history there almost one hundred years, like the people 350 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.480 that have passed through that block, you know, not that stadium, 351 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:15.799 exactly what that block. It's kind of an incredible roster 352 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.399 in terms of baseball history in Salt Lake City. And 353 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:22.360 so to see that go is very sad. And then 354 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:25.799 at the same time, I think, you know, if you can, 355 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:27.879 if you can get outside of yourself and zoom out 356 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:30.799 a little bit and you look at where's the growth 357 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:34.320 in the valley, it's on the south end. I was. 358 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:36.679 I was there. I was in an impossibly long beer 359 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:41.200 line on Sunday with you know, thirteen thousand, five hundred 360 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.559 other people, and a woman came walking through the concourse screaming, 361 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.679 if you'd all been here every week, this wouldn't be happening. 362 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:52.720 And you know what, maybe maybe, And so I think, 363 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.360 you know, you look at at what the Millers have done, 364 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:58.759 and yes, it is it is sad for me to 365 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:01.840 see that go. But to move out to Daybreak, a 366 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:05.880 younger audience, a different type of audience, a smaller stadium, 367 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:08.079 you know, it may very well be what's best for 368 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:11.400 a minor league franchise, particularly if they are truly serious 369 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:15.240 about adding major league franchise in downtown, right, And then 370 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:16.839 I think you look at it from a Salt Lake 371 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:21.200 City standpoint in that neighborhood, which is, you know, it's 372 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:27.119 issues just from a socioeconomic standpoint, and to go and 373 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:29.440 maybe you know it sounds like the U is going 374 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:32.319 to play there next year, but beyond that, you know, 375 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:34.279 to have a place that's going to be active, it's 376 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:35.920 probably gonna be shops, apartments, whatever. 377 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:36.279 I don't know. 378 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:37.960 The city hasn't decided yet, but it's going to be 379 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:41.279 active and sixty nights a year, right and not and 380 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:44.359 not just for baseball season, and not just for six 381 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:46.519 days at a time every other week. And so I 382 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:48.440 think there there can be good that can come out 383 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:48.839 of it. 384 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.000 Still a bummer, yeah, it is. And I've said this 385 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.000 ever since the news came down. I mean, we're all 386 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:57.440 going to react to news like this based off of 387 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:59.240 how it affects us. And the fact that I can 388 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:02.799 get dismissed ball park in ten minutes without traffic is 389 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:05.119 something that affects me. Now, I also go to four 390 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:08.440 or five games a year, right, And so ultimately, I 391 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:12.319 wonder what your thoughts are. I've never been a Daybreak 392 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:15.319 not one time. I don't like going past thirty third. 393 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:19.160 I prefer staying here. But I've never been a Daybreak 394 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:23.039 one time. I've never been a Daybreak one time. And 395 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:27.160 I wonder if you believe that this new club will 396 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:30.119 be supported in its new home. I just don't know 397 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:32.319 enough about the infrastructure kind of what it's like. 398 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:34.880 Yeah, I think that it can be. I think it's 399 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:36.960 going to be a much younger crowd. It's going to 400 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:40.359 be a different crowd right now. It's yes, it is families. 401 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:42.599 It's also people looking to get a beer outside, right, 402 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:46.400 And I think Daybreak is going to be very heavy 403 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:51.079 on family youth. I could see, you know, like Little 404 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.839 League Baseball teams filling that place up a lot. It's 405 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:55.720 gonna be a much smaller stadium, right, something like eight 406 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:59.319 thousand versus the fifteen thousand it is now, And it's 407 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:01.319 gonna be different from what I understand. There's gonna be 408 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:03.960 more of a beer garden set up and not like 409 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:05.920 you know, it's not gonna be at your seat. So 410 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:10.960 families that me feel uncomfortable in a I don't know, 411 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:12.720 watching someone else drink a beer. I don't know. It's 412 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:16.519 not me, but you know, there may be more opportunity there. 413 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:19.079 And then you know whatever the Secret Lives of Mormon 414 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:22.799 wives crowd that comes from from from that corner is 415 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:24.599 gonna be there and they're gonna be doing tiktoks and 416 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:26.880 they're gonna it's gonna be big. I don't know, it 417 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:27.440 could be good. 418 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:30.359 Are you aware that I'm related to a couple on 419 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:30.839 that show? 420 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:33.200 Which one I don't? I will not stay on air. 421 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:35.359 We'll leave it off air for now. Okay, I'll tell 422 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:37.240 you off air. I have not seen the show, nor 423 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:39.200 will I. I'm not going to see a moment of it. 424 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:42.079 But anyway, my head is all over the place with 425 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:45.839 that breakdown, avoid the very appearance of evil Aarin. 426 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:49.160 So they head on out to daybreak. Let's move over. 427 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.480 Here though, because after the Miller's kind of announced the 428 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:55.160 plan and it went through the process, Steve Starks came 429 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.039 in a studio for an hour and on air we 430 00:19:58.160 --> 00:19:59.960 talked a lot about the plan, and then off air 431 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:02.880 he opened up the books and showed me like, and 432 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:05.880 they're ready, they're ready, you know, shovel in the ground ready. 433 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:09.480 I just haven't heard anything recently about if there's progress 434 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:12.519 being made because to your point, If the endgame of 435 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:15.720 moving the B's to daybreak is a ball major League 436 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:17.759 ballpark here in Salt Lake City and a Major League 437 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:20.440 Baseball team in the capital city, I'm all for that, 438 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:22.599 But I just what's you're understanding of where we're at 439 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:23.559 that product, where. 440 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:26.799 We're still ages away from a decision, you know, I mean, 441 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:30.680 just looking at at what Rob Manfreend has said about 442 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:34.039 Major League Baseball expansion, it's it's status quo, right right, 443 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:38.039 we're waiting. We're waiting for I don't know exactly if 444 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:40.559 Major Lead Baseball will wait until stadiums are built in 445 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:43.680 Tampa and in Las Vegas or wherever the A's end up, 446 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:48.039 because it's still kind of seems sketchy there. But you know, 447 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:50.839 at this point, it sounds like maybe the earliest of 448 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:56.000 whatever expansion team is playing, whether that's Nashville, here, Portland wherever, 449 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:58.079 it's not gonna until twenty thirty months, right. We got 450 00:20:58.480 --> 00:20:59.559 a pretty big gap here. 451 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:00.200 Yeah. Yeah. 452 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.880 And it's funny because Gary Bettman said the same thing 453 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:07.839 about hockey expansion, and so I was operating off the 454 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:11.519 premise like, Okay, Ryan wants hockey, Millers want baseball. We're 455 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:15.759 probably looking at twenty nine thirty for both. That's what 456 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:17.920 makes the hockey thing so crazy, because this is not 457 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:21.680 an expansion team, it's a relocation. It's literally historic. We 458 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:24.440 chatted with Bell. She's lovely, she's very good. You've hired 459 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:26.960 a new b rider for the trip. We've seen a 460 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.559 couple of preseason games, a couple of power play goals, 461 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:33.000 a couple of power play kills. We saw in interference 462 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:35.400 with a goaltender, which is like off sides in soccer. 463 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:37.319 You only know it when you're trained to see it. 464 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.039 It'll it's okay, you'll catch up. What are your thoughts? 465 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:41.759 Hockey's here? 466 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:48.799 Yeah, I'm I'm I'm I am learning, so okay, Okay, 467 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:51.920 I'm going a pole good friend here. Yeah, so I'm 468 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:55.279 learning the higher Belfraser is good for me because she 469 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:57.359 knows a lot more about she's smarter than I do. 470 00:21:57.640 --> 00:21:59.960 And so I'm I'm learning through this process as well. 471 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:04.119 But I've been encouraged by the excitement around. I think 472 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.440 the interesting thing right now for me is, you know, 473 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:10.400 just kind of being around the gateway and the arena 474 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:12.799 the other night when when that game and I wasn't there, 475 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:16.519 but you see so many different jerseys, you know, Bruins 476 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:20.200 jerseys and Golden Nights jerseys, all these things, and I'm 477 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:25.119 wondering how long before you know it's Utah hockey fans 478 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:26.680 and not Utah hockey. 479 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:27.359 Good point. 480 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:30.160 Yeah, and that that's right now. It feels a little 481 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:32.880 bit more like people are die hard for the sport 482 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.839 and they're they're coming in and showing up versus having, 483 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:39.559 you know, the team to really coalesce around. Given the 484 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:42.400 season ticket deposits that we've heard about and everything like that, 485 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:45.319 I suspect that's going to happen once you know things, 486 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.200 once the lamplight's for real, there you go, I believe 487 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:49.240 the bar will be electric. 488 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:53.079 Look at you. Bell has been a good influence. I 489 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:53.359 like this. 490 00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:56.119 But yeah, right now, right now, it still feels like 491 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:57.759 I feel like people are just kind of putting their toes. 492 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:00.440 Sure sure now the sweaters are pretty clean there. Yeah, 493 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:03.880 they are a lot of excitement around town about the sweaters. 494 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:07.400 That's what I'm hearing. Yeah, and I don't actually I'm 495 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:09.720 a fan. I mean, I you know, get nice and clean. 496 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:12.400 Uh keep it simple for see, I have your Twitter 497 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:12.880 pulled up. 498 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:15.240 I haven't seen any tweets about how clean the sweaters 499 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.079 are uh yeah, they're not there. 500 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:19.960 I've been I've been liking them. You can't see the likes, 501 00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:22.519 can you not? Did Elon take away? Take away? 502 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:22.920 The likes? 503 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:25.240 You can like, you just can't see it. I didn't 504 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:26.480 know that that protect a few people. 505 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:28.480 That's good news for a few people in our market. 506 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:32.279 There's no doubt about that. All Right, let's do a 507 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:34.960 little We'll do a little jazz because I do have 508 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:38.079 a well, we're gonna end with mostly college football after this. 509 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:44.000 From my vantage point, this is as low of an 510 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:48.240 excitement level as I can remember, like ever about a 511 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:51.240 jazz season. Now, I wonder if the hockey team will 512 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:53.839 be able to capitalize on that. Look, they're under one umbrella, 513 00:23:54.279 --> 00:23:57.319 so it's not like you're stealing business from one cut. 514 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:00.359 It's the same company, it's the same ownership group. Do 515 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:02.839 you think there's gonna be a dynamic and Look, one 516 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:04.599 of the great things about sports, one of the things 517 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:07.000 we love about sports, it's why we watch, is you. 518 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:08.079 Never know what's gonna happen. 519 00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:10.240 Could Cody Williams pop in a way that no one's 520 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:13.880 Maybe I'm not excited to watch the Patti millster U 521 00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:15.920 Banks pick and roll seven times in the third quarter, 522 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:19.599 like it's just not there. And I wonder if you 523 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:22.000 think the hockey club will benefit off of what I 524 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.240 perceive to be a very low level of excitement for 525 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:25.279 pro basketball. 526 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:25.400 In our market. 527 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:28.400 I'm with you there on the excitement level. I saw 528 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:33.839 the email come out that you know, preseasons here, Ryan 529 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.119 Smith Danny Ainge are talking to help the press on Friday, 530 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:40.119 and I'm like, what do I care about right now? 531 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:43.839 And it's long term. Everything is long term. I agree 532 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:47.559 with you. You know, can Keyante take another step? What 533 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.799 is Cody Williams? There are questions to be answered, but man, 534 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:53.359 you got to be kind of a die hard to 535 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:57.279 really care about those questions immediately, And so I agree 536 00:24:57.279 --> 00:24:59.799 with you. I don't think, you know, I think if 537 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:02.920 the As we're a playoff team, then there's gonna be 538 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:05.599 people that are diehard jazz fans. They don't give their 539 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:08.480 attention to anything else, maybe just sort of out of curiosity. 540 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.160 I think you're a sports fan in the Salt Lake 541 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:14.559 market and football ends and you're watching a bad jazz 542 00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:16.759 team and you go, what's going on with this other 543 00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:19.000 thing that I hear that is winning? I think there 544 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.000 I think it is an opening for the Utah Hockey 545 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:23.640 Club to steal a little bit of a momentum that 546 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:24.880 they might not have had otherwise. 547 00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:27.200 So you bring up a really good point, and I've 548 00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:30.839 honestly always wondered this, because you know, when you're in 549 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:33.359 when you get in the business the industry, as they say, 550 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:36.240 you have to become a little bit agnostic about cheering. 551 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:38.559 And it probably took me to if I'm honest, it 552 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.640 probably took me too long doing this to realize that 553 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:42.880 I think I'm much better. 554 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:44.839 At it now that I don't care about. 555 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:47.720 I hate to say that, but if a team that 556 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:50.480 I cheerfour loses, I have a sandwich and go to 557 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:52.359 bed and I don't think about it again. And when 558 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:54.519 I was younger, it was different. I had more emotional ties. 559 00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:56.680 It's different when you're raised and it's the family business 560 00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:59.240 and you know you're cheering literally with your heart and 561 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:01.960 soul because it's what your family relies on to live. 562 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:05.000 But as you move out of that, you do wonder, 563 00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:09.119 at least I do, how many of our citizens here 564 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:11.079 in the community who enjoy sports just want to go 565 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:13.519 see the jazz and they don't care if it's Keyante 566 00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:18.000 or if it's Donovan Mitchell, like, how many ultimate die 567 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.440 hards out there are upset with lack of direction and 568 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:23.400 how many people. 569 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:24.640 Just want to go to a damn game. I honestly 570 00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:25.480 don't know the answer to that. 571 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:28.799 Yeah, I think. I think if you have been through 572 00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:31.759 a period of jazz success, you know, at different points 573 00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:34.039 in your life, whether you are somebody you know, if 574 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.480 you're we're around to watch watch the finals runs, if 575 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:39.839 you were around to watch you know, Darren and Carlos, 576 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:43.000 if you were around to watch this this Donovan Rudy era. 577 00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:45.519 I think maybe I think there are people out there 578 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.160 that will have enough good memories that you know, hey, 579 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:50.680 this is this is my team. I'm here through thick 580 00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:55.640 and thin whatever. I think. Casuals, sure, I mean, maybe 581 00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:57.200 maybe they're go because you want to get you want 582 00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:59.319 to get some jade dogs and and and hang out 583 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.359 with your friends one night for one game. But I 584 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:05.279 think there's a ton of young kids who already have 585 00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:09.039 a hard time getting into sports the way that we 586 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:12.559 have had sports in our life growing up. They're watching 587 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:14.960 highlights on YouTube and they're not really paying attention that 588 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.920 if you don't have a winner, like you're you're not 589 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:20.279 connecting with with that younger generation yet, and so I 590 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:23.000 think that's that's sort of the misopportunity. But I think 591 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:25.480 if you are somebody that's that's been through it, you 592 00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:27.920 can probably endure a couple of bad years here. We're 593 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:31.599 nice fans, We are nice people, nice fans, and people 594 00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:34.160 will swallow it for a little while. But if you're 595 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:36.559 if you haven't had it before, you're not going to 596 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:38.119 be a twelve year old kid that goes to the 597 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:40.160 Delta Center for the first time watch the Jazz get 598 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.599 blown out by fifty. I think this is it for me. Yes, 599 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:43.599 this is where I want to be. 600 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:46.920 Right And that's the danger of having a rebuild go 601 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:50.440 more than a few years. And to be fair to 602 00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.799 Xanik and Age and everybody else, most rebuilds go more 603 00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:54.599 than a few years. 604 00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:57.279 We just haven't had those happen here very often. 605 00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:01.079 And I suppose because there's this there's a general feel 606 00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.319 like if I'm watching an NBA show or if I'm 607 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.160 listening to an NBA podcast, there's just this general feel. 608 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:09.759 And Jason Kidd actually set it out loud. 609 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.519 A couple of years ago during a MAVs playoff run 610 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.680 when he said, you guys don't get it. We're millionaires 611 00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:16.960 cheering for each other. I'm like, dude, I know, but 612 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.119 don't say that. The al was lifting, right, And you 613 00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:22.079 do get peaks behind the curtain every once in a 614 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.680 while when Kevin Durant says, hey, nobody ever thinks about 615 00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:25.559 the fans just so you know. 616 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:28.359 So there is this general feel like these guys are 617 00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:29.720 fat and happy. 618 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:32.599 Had he stay hungry when you're well fed, and they 619 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:34.759 don't really give a rip about anything other than their 620 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.799 P and L statements, which are really healthy. And the 621 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.480 fans keep showing up. I wonder if you think that 622 00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:42.000 stops at some point. As far as that building being full, 623 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:43.880 it was full every I was probably there ten times. 624 00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:45.279 Last year was full every time. Yeah. 625 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:47.359 I was just talking about that with with Andy Larsen 626 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:50.839 and our staff yesterday. And you know, you look at 627 00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.240 the start of last season, there was there was the 628 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.839 idea of hope right at the very start of last season, 629 00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.920 and so it makes sense that you have that going in. 630 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:01.839 Things don't work out, it doesn't, you know, it turns 631 00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:05.079 it's worse than you expected, but it's still full. After 632 00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:08.440 the All Star break, after the trade deadline is a 633 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.319 bit surprising. I mean, I my first year covering the 634 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.200 Jazz was twenty thirteen. It's twenty five win team. There 635 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.640 were a lot of green seats, you know, like I do, 636 00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:20.319 think it does stop at a certain point. You can't 637 00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:24.440 you can't rely on, uh, you know, on the past 638 00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:28.079 for forever, particularly when there are other opportunities to spend 639 00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:33.079 your dollars. He was good, b YU looks better than expected. 640 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.839 RSL may maybe maybe a Cup. 641 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:41.960 Contender, okay, and. 642 00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:42.640 And the hockey club right so so yeah, I do. 643 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:45.160 I would expect that at some point this year the 644 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:46.960 sellout streak ends. 645 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:50.559 I think that's probably accurate. But there's a lot of 646 00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:52.920 trucks and tesla's as Camaradnie likes to say, that make 647 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:54.599 their way up from the South to make sure that 648 00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:55.440 thing is jam pack. 649 00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:56.000 That's true. 650 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:56.920 You brought him up. 651 00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.519 So let's do a little bit on RSL before we 652 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:03.640 end with college football. I was on TV with your guy, 653 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:05.759 Dave Fox, one of your mentors. We all look up 654 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:08.680 to Dave for a number of reasons, and he asked 655 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.359 me last night, are you more confident in them making 656 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.200 a deep Cup run now than you were a month ago, 657 00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:17.000 and I said no, not as there was a month ago, 658 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:20.880 because remember they went fifteen games unbeaten, fifteen matches unbeaten. 659 00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:24.079 Pardon me, they made a bunch of changes, kind of 660 00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:25.279 seem to be figuring it out. 661 00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:28.599 I think the keeper situation is going to stop them 662 00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:30.799 from winning anything special. That's kind of where I'm at. 663 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.920 But I love playoff soccer, fall soccer. I think we'll 664 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:35.960 get a home match. What are you expecting from RSL 665 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:36.559 the rest of the way. 666 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:40.480 Yeah, I'm with you. I mean I would thought after 667 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:42.960 you sell Gomez, like there's going to be a natural 668 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.079 dip just in terms of energy, in terms of other people. 669 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:50.039 It seems like these additions have done enough offensively to 670 00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:52.319 maybe give you hope that, like you can go out 671 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.559 and win a playoff game or two or whatever. But yeah, 672 00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:58.680 I mean, I think at this point it's not gonna 673 00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.200 surprise me to see McMath back in goal. And I 674 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:05.359 I think, you know, Beaver's maybe maybe has a bright 675 00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:09.000 future looks a bit skeedtish right now. Yes, McMath has 676 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:14.079 made a number of errors that were probably unforgivable to some, 677 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:16.640 but he's going to be your best bet to win 678 00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:18.920 at this point. And I mean, if this you gotta 679 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:20.559 have you gotta have your defense step up three three 680 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:23.960 the other night is uh, that's a that's a sad ending. 681 00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:24.799 Yeah, it is like that. 682 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.279 Well, I'll tell you what if it's McMath between the pipes, 683 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:28.839 I'm gonna get on Twitter. I got to see some 684 00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:30.799 of those tweets flying man, because some people. 685 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:32.079 Get really upset with it is true. 686 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.680 All right, we'll move over with a few minutes last 687 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.279 to college football. Now let me start here. You I'm 688 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.799 a true Aggie. You are an Aggie Aggie. You are 689 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.559 an alump. I did not do this smooching, so we 690 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.680 I don't know what that means. We both have different 691 00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:49.440 ties and real affinity to our good friends up and 692 00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:52.000 Logan for different reasons. How does it feel that you 693 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.759 are an alumni of a PAC twelve school? 694 00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:57.200 Congrat you TOAs state. 695 00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:02.559 Uh you know, watching this and I I don't really 696 00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:05.920 know how anybody feels about it. I think I think 697 00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:09.279 people feel I think Aggie fans feel better about it. 698 00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:12.319 On the level of yes, the PAC twelve has more 699 00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.319 prestige than than the Mountain West brand, right, at least 700 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.519 did once upon a time. I think if you look 701 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:21.359 at who who is in the PAC twelve and who 702 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.079 is out of the PAC twelve even if you were 703 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:25.200 just looking at you know, these are the Mountain West, 704 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:28.599 uh extras. Right, it is the best part of the 705 00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:30.680 Mountain West that is now in the PAC twelve versus 706 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:33.960 you know what is remains in the Mountain West. So 707 00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.440 I think you're you're probably feeling better that way. However, like, 708 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:39.839 how could you not get to a situation where you 709 00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:43.519 don't just dissolve this thing, save save your war chest 710 00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.400 of one hundred and fifty million dollars or whatever, and 711 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.759 figure out a way to merge it, like or if 712 00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:49.960 you're if you're going to do this, and I know 713 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.880 maybe you know Utah States burned from whatever whatever we 714 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.240 called it. They called it once upon a time, the 715 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:58.119 plan when BYU and UH when independent, this was all 716 00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.720 this was all supposed to happen, right, So yes, Utah 717 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:03.599 State was burned. Yeah, once upon a time. So maybe 718 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:05.440 they just feel like, hey, let's get to higher ground 719 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.119 and figure it out. But how do you not all 720 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:11.039 come together figure out a way at this point? And 721 00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.480 then is it not what I'm you know, I'm not 722 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:14.599 anti Mountain West, but figure out a way to dissolve 723 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:16.720 the Mountain West and keep your money. 724 00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:20.319 It's it's a really good point, and I actually think 725 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.119 part of that's still on the table if reasonable minds 726 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.519 can come together. But now there are lawsuits being filed. 727 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:30.160 Now they're banging heads with each other. I just can't believe, like, 728 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:34.839 whoever gets college football right will be an absolute hero 729 00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:39.400 because it is such a great product with no leadership, 730 00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:43.440 nobody everyone's asleep at the wheel. Yet it is a 731 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.799 multi billion dollar business every year without a CEO or 732 00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:50.400 without like a sound business plan or structure in place. 733 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.000 You know, the quarterback leads NLV today, that's an undefeated 734 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.599 G five team. A lot of people think they can 735 00:33:57.640 --> 00:33:59.799 go to the CFP. He's like, where's my one hundred k? 736 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.599 The head coach is like, I didn't say that, we 737 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:04.440 were gonna give you that. He's like, wait, the assistant did. 738 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:08.320 And he leaves. He's their starting quarterback and he just leaves. 739 00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:11.079 It's it's an insane thing. And this is where I 740 00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:15.440 have a lot of like mixed feelings on the future 741 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.679 of NIL and like how best to handle this. 742 00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:20.119 But you know we're talking. 743 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:21.880 About He's like, O, where's one hundred thousand? Dollars, and 744 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:23.559 then the report I saw was like, we're talking about 745 00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:26.639 three thousand dollars a month. So there's a gigantic gap 746 00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:28.920 in between like a lot of these numbers that are 747 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.239 being thrown out there and what we think and maybe 748 00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.320 what's actually being you know, hitting bank accounts here in 749 00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.920 certain places. But I mean, you know, so the initial 750 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:41.360 feeling is where are the guardrails who enforces this? There 751 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:43.639 needs to be strict rules, but that doesn't happen in 752 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.519 the real world. If you have a contract for a 753 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:48.360 one hundred thousand dollars and unless you are the Mountain 754 00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:51.239 West and the fact you you know you have something 755 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.400 that's enforceable to get your hundred thousand dollars right, But 756 00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:57.159 there's just so many backroom deals here that why isn't 757 00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:59.280 ink on paper for your one hundred k before you 758 00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:00.159 before you take. 759 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:01.239 That's the bottom line. 760 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:04.679 Matthew Sluka is his name, and according to Sluca and 761 00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:08.239 his agent, Marcus Kramarti, an assistant coach gave him a 762 00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:10.400 verbal promise that was quote. 763 00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:13.800 Come play here and we'll pay you one hundred thousand dollars. Kids. 764 00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:17.239 Get it in writing, Okay, just whatever it is. Get 765 00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:19.159 it in writing. Do whatever you have to do to 766 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.039 protost ten k to be here for this hit. 767 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.559 Porter Falk was promised, ten k, do you have his venmo? 768 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:27.480 Can my assistant? 769 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.480 Oh okay, get in writing ten k for a beer 770 00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:32.679 bar hit will be phenomenal. 771 00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:34.519 All right, let's move over here. 772 00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:38.880 So you know, I've been pretty honest about my opinion 773 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.840 on the lack of information coming from the University of 774 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:47.039 Utah about their quarterback situation. However, I'm also an adult 775 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:51.320 and I understand what the deal is. And Intel Intel 776 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.159 coach Wig gets that email from the Big twelve. It says, hey, 777 00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.480 you got a report. Okay, we're making everybody report Thursday night, 778 00:35:58.519 --> 00:35:59.400 Friday morning, whatever. 779 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.519 It is, kind of like the NFL does until that happens. 780 00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:05.679 And by the way, let's pause here, that will happen 781 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:08.960 all of these sports. Now, college football is not as 782 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.039 front facing about being in bed with gambling companies as 783 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:12.760 the NFL is. 784 00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:14.800 The NFL, you turn on a game and you can 785 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:15.440 get live odds. 786 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:16.880 While the game is going on, they give you a 787 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.440 QR code to ruin your life if you're prone to 788 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.199 a lot of dopamine hits with no reward. I don't 789 00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:26.079 love where we're at as far as these sports being 790 00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:28.440 in bed with the gambling companies. But because they're in 791 00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:32.000 bed with the gambling companies, who your starting quarterback is 792 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.280 is information that's worth hundreds of millions of dollars. 793 00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.559 So at some point the mandate will come. 794 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:42.559 Until it does, Coach Wit is under no obligation to 795 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:44.880 tell me or you or anybody else who is starting 796 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:48.360 quarterback is. So I understand why here's aaron. What makes 797 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:51.039 it different this year, in my opinion, well last year 798 00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:53.679 as well. If the reports are true, the Cameron Rising 799 00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:56.039 is being paid seven figures to play quarterback for the 800 00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:57.880 University of Utah, and a lot of that money comes 801 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:01.199 from season ticket holders, boosters and alumni. The community is 802 00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:02.960 going to want to see him play football. 803 00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:03.320 Now. 804 00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.039 My opinion is he's hurt and he'll be back when 805 00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:09.000 he's healthy. I honestly don't know, but there is this 806 00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:12.320 general feeling of here we go again with the Utes 807 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:12.679 this year. 808 00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:13.360 What are your thoughts? 809 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.519 Yeah, no, I think it is uh. I mean I 810 00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:19.159 heard you, you know before before the break say you're 811 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:23.000 expecting Isaac under center unlesson until you see gam under there. Yeah, 812 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.199 I think that's a reasonable position. To take at this point, 813 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:30.159 right you know, I'm curious. I mean, I'm mixed on 814 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.880 what the fans rowe versus what the boosters are owed, 815 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.519 and also what the boosters will be willing to poney 816 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:39.320 up next time when you know, when it's Isaac Wilson's 817 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.559 turn for one hundred or for a million dollars or whatever, like, 818 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:45.280 is there that same level of desire if you feel 819 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:48.360 like maybe you didn't get you know, the truth out 820 00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:50.440 of somebody on this and I you know, obviously it's 821 00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.719 different this year and that and that this is a 822 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.239 you know, this was an injury. We saw that happened. 823 00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:57.440 You know, it's not like he was hiding a knee 824 00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:59.719 injury for you know, in the off season or whatever, 825 00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:05.000 right Like, But I'm very interested in what people are 826 00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.840 what the value is of this quarterback or of a 827 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.559 position or you know, an nil contract if you're going 828 00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:15.760 to be preserved this way, right like, who do you 829 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:18.400 owe the who do you owe that's giving you this money? 830 00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:19.920 And that's that's where I'm really stuck right now. 831 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.840 Yeah, And ultimately it will go the way of the 832 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.800 pros where they'll unionize and collectively bargain and then we 833 00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.039 can have a conversation about whether or not, let's just say, 834 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.199 can make a million bucks this year, is that guaranteed 835 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:33.480 money like it is in the NBA and Major League 836 00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:36.480 Baseball and is growing towards that in the NFL. 837 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.079 Or do you put stipulations on it? 838 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:41.719 Like if you're a business and you decide you want 839 00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:43.800 to pay Cameron Rising two hundred and fifty grand this 840 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:45.920 year to play football, because you're allowed to do that 841 00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:49.079 via NIL and he doesn't play in any games, You're 842 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.280 just kind of like, well, what did I pay him? 843 00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.639 Like unless they collectively bargain and they make all these 844 00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:58.360 contracts guaranteed, then it doesn't matter. But guaranteed contracts in 845 00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:00.519 a way, I think it kind of in the NBA 846 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:03.480 because of the load management stuff, it's complicated. But until 847 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:08.000 they have the ability to collectively bargain after they unionize, 848 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:09.280 all of these questions. 849 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:09.719 Will be up in the air. 850 00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.159 We have a big day tomorrow, Like one of the 851 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:16.599 ironies of this SLUCAS stuff at UNLV is on Thursday, 852 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.119 the NCAA, the P four conferences and their attorneys must 853 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.440 file a brief in the House Anti Trust Settlements and 854 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.239 we're hoping to get a little closer and closer to. 855 00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:28.719 That being finally ironed out. 856 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.840 With the direct revenue sharing and the schools being able 857 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:31.199 to pay. 858 00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:32.960 But that's not even done yet. 859 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.519 And until that's done, we're going to see the quarterback 860 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.559 from ULV bounce. We're going to see kids not feel 861 00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:40.320 like they need to step up and play if they're 862 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:43.280 being paid, because right now, nobody seems to know which 863 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:44.280 way is up or which. 864 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:45.719 Way is down. I don't know how it's gonna unfold. 865 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:52.480 Yeah, my kids aren't getting their braces. I mean, you know, again, 866 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.840 if it's you know, I think you know, unionizing is 867 00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:58.519 definitely the thing that's that's going to happen and probably 868 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:01.960 be the best outcome for for athletes and frankly most 869 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.880 parties involved, sure, because otherwise, if you have a congressional 870 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:08.840 you know, intervention or it's the NCAA, there's still going 871 00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:10.360 to be a squeeze. We're still you're still not going 872 00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:13.440 to get like a truly fair outcome for your workers, 873 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:17.280 your players, if if it's the billionaires in charge of 874 00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:18.920 it making making those decisions. 875 00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:21.599 One hundred percent, So you know, I believe we're high 876 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:23.559 speed ahead to the day where college football is leaving 877 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:25.679 the n C DOUAA to become its own governing body 878 00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:29.000 with a commissioner. But that's still a few a few 879 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:31.119 years off. All right, final thing, and then we'll set 880 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:33.480 you loose to to get back to it. What are 881 00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:36.199 you willing to say today about by U's four and 882 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:41.679 oh start man Conference contender? Better than we thought? Like, 883 00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:43.400 what's what's the take as of today? 884 00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:43.760 Yeah? 885 00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:47.440 For me, better than we thought? Uh, Conference contender feels 886 00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:53.079 that that feels like a big step. That was an 887 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:59.119 outstanding game, filled with a lot of incredible things that 888 00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:02.480 you probably can replicate on a weekly basis. I mean 889 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:05.880 to get those three takeaways to give Rett's laugh short 890 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:10.239 fields three times in short order like that, that's that 891 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.320 is the best possible outcome for a guy who was 892 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.159 coming in maybe having a little bit of issues with 893 00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:18.960 with turnovers things like that. A punt return that's gonna 894 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:20.880 be you know, it's the play of the year that 895 00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:24.679 you're you know certainly can't bank on that anymore. And 896 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.519 and then you have a surprise in in Moa coming 897 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.920 out and running people over that just probably nobody had 898 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:31.960 on scouting report. 899 00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:32.280 Right, So. 900 00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:36.519 A great win. I think they can beat Baylor I 901 00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:40.159 think that I think maybe a good thing for v 902 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:42.480 Yu now is the last time I remember like any 903 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.119 hype is is that big Baylor win in Provo a 904 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.519 couple of years ago, and there's there's excitement when you 905 00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:50.239 go to Oregon to get smoked, yeah, and every all 906 00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.400 the airs out. So I think even if you even 907 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.960 if they lose to Baylor, it's gonna feel you're gonna 908 00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:56.800 feel much better than you did a couple of years ago. 909 00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.000 So there's a chance to rebound, to get back on track. 910 00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:04.840 But I Conference Contender feels really like a really far Stepithy. 911 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.119 Yeah, I'm not there yet either. Very impressed. 912 00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.519 Happy for Klanie and those guys for sure to see 913 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.960 the start. Dare we get weird and talk about an 914 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:16.079 undefeated Holy War November the ninth in Salt Lake. It's 915 00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:18.519 always better when they're both good erin it's always better 916 00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:19.639 when they're both good. 917 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:23.599 I mean, it's good for it's good for the schools, 918 00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:25.719 it's good for the fan basis, as much as they 919 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:28.519 pretend they don't like it, it's good for us. I mean, 920 00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.239 let's let's have that. Let's self serving media, let's be 921 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:32.280 the top of the power ranking. 922 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:33.519 I love it, man, all right? 923 00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:36.360 How can people go support the good folks at the 924 00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:37.079 Solid Tribune. 925 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.400 Hey, sl trip dot com, slash Sports. We appreciate everybody 926 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:44.199 who reads subscribes. We could not exist without all of you. 927 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:47.159 Woke all right, man, good to see it. We'll chat soon. Okay, 928 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.000 all right, the Great Aaron Falk all right, rolling along 929 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.760 on a Wednesday edition of the program. You know, oftentimes 930 00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:56.440 it's difficult for us to get access to you players 931 00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:58.719 and coaches. We love it every day, but they practice 932 00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:00.639 when we're on air, and practic. This is more of 933 00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.880 a priority than sitting down with me. Except for today, 934 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:07.360 the headball coach himself, Kyle Whittingham, good enough to give 935 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.760 us some time on a Wednesday coach with Happy Wednesday. 936 00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.639 How are you, sir, I'm new Willspince, Thank you. 937 00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.360 I appreciate the time. So I want to start with 938 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.039 probably something you weren't expecting. But my father is writing 939 00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.239 a book right now and the working title is Championship Culture. 940 00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:25.000 And he sat down with Steve Kerk, he sat down 941 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.280 with Nick Saban, he sat down with the All Blacks, 942 00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.840 obviously the rugby team from New Zealand Real Madrid. I 943 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:34.719 could keep going and the whole ethos is try to 944 00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:39.760 get a definition of what championship culture means from somebody 945 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.320 who's built a championship culture like you have. So, Kyle, 946 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:46.719 when I ask you what championship culture means, what comes 947 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:47.239 to your mind? 948 00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:50.559 Well, first of all, for us, it's it's all about 949 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:56.000 family and you know, the close knit relationships and everybody 950 00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.639 pulling in the same direction, everyone on the same page, 951 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.119 everybody in completely to what you're doing. I think that's 952 00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:05.880 really the starting point. And then being consistent. You have 953 00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:08.840 a culture of consistency and the players know what to 954 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:11.519 expect every day when they come in the building. There's 955 00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:14.639 no peaks and valleys. It's very I don't want to 956 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.559 see methodical, but it's a process that we adhere to 957 00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.719 and we believe in what we're doing and players believe 958 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:22.920 in it, and it seems to self perpetuate. 959 00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:26.599 How much of it, coach is intentional and how much 960 00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:30.440 of it is simply just consistency over time combined with results. 961 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.920 Because people talk about wanting to build a championship culture 962 00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:36.920 all the time, but it's one thing to talk about it, 963 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:38.880 it's another thing to do it, Like you have, how 964 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.199 much of it is intense and how much of it 965 00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:43.320 is consistency and results over time. 966 00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.920 Well, I'd say it's a blend of both. And you know, 967 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.639 we've definitely had some success through the years, and that 968 00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.559 certainly lends credibility to what you're doing. And the players say, hey, 969 00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:56.000 you know, if we buy into this and we do 970 00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.079 it the way that's outlined, and then it'll work, you know, 971 00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:01.840 and it's time to and so that's that's a big 972 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:03.760 part of it. And then you know, they've got to 973 00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:06.239 come in with with the with the right in tent 974 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:10.119 and the right mindset, and uh, you know, there's there's 975 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:12.760 no shortcuts. That's another part of our philosophy here is 976 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.280 you know, the process is the process. It demands and 977 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.119 require certain things and and uh, it's a twelve month 978 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.000 a year deal. It's not just in season. We have 979 00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.800 a plan for the entire year that we adhere to 980 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:26.719 and and the players that have been in this program 981 00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:28.800 know exactly what the expectations are. And I think a 982 00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:32.840 big thing for us is the new players that come in. Uh, 983 00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:37.320 you know, we have a orientation period, I guess you 984 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.199 could say, and part of that is, hey, when you 985 00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:41.400 come into this program, you will become us, we will 986 00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:44.679 not become you. And if you if you don't have 987 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.440 that mentality and that attitude, then you're going to become irrelevant. 988 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:49.920 So that's that's something that truly helped is the is 989 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:54.960 the leadership on the football team, displaying and demanding from 990 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:56.639 the from the new guys that we do things a 991 00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:57.159 certain way. 992 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.239 So, over the course of both your life and then 993 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.800 your career as a player and a coach, you have 994 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:06.559 coached with, played for a number of captains of industry, 995 00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.559 you know, including Lavelle and your father, And I just 996 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.519 wonder urban I could keep going, Ronnie Mack when it 997 00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.480 comes to your personal ethos of how you want to 998 00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:18.639 build this culture and how you have built the culture, 999 00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.079 how much of it is unique to who you are, 1000 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.599 and how much of it are things that you've learned 1001 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.960 from the men who you've coached with and played for 1002 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:28.360 throughout the course of your career. 1003 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.280 Yeah, great question. I would say it's a blend of 1004 00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.719 all the above. I've tried to take the best of 1005 00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:38.039 the you know, what I learned from each of those 1006 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:41.280 guys you mentioned, and and uh, what's you know what 1007 00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:45.480 suits my personality and my beliefs And then add to it, 1008 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:47.480 you know, my own take, put my own spin on it. 1009 00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:51.039 And that's kind of the you know, the result, the 1010 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.719 end result is what we got going here. And and 1011 00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.280 I certainly don't claim to have all the answers. And 1012 00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:58.760 I learned a ton from Lavelle, a ton from my 1013 00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.639 father and coach matc as you said Urban, you know, 1014 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:07.039 as a master to organization and just having a master plan. 1015 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.039 And so yeah, you'd be dumb. But if you didn't 1016 00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:12.119 take the you know, take what works and hang on 1017 00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:14.400 to it and utilize it and then again add your 1018 00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:16.519 own spin and put your own stamp on it. But 1019 00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:19.199 you don't try to reinvent the wheel. You know, if 1020 00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:21.880 things are working, then you know, if it's not broke, 1021 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:22.760 don't fix it. 1022 00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:23.239 You know. 1023 00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:26.840 I always find an interesting coach to talk to somebody 1024 00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:29.119 like you who's been doing something at such a high 1025 00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.679 level for so long, and ask you what keeps what 1026 00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:35.199 keeps it going, what keeps the momentum going. I mean, look, 1027 00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:37.920 I've been doing this for almost nineteen years, and there 1028 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:39.639 are days where I wake up I'm like, I don't 1029 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:41.440 really want I don't want to do it today, you know, 1030 00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.800 And I think everybody has it even though the very 1031 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.960 successful people among us, like you make it look easy, 1032 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:50.480 it still isn't easy because, as you said, the devil's 1033 00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:53.199 in the details, and it is about consistency, and it 1034 00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:55.599 is about the work those days. If there are days, 1035 00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:58.199 for Kyle Whittingham, when the alarm goes off and you 1036 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:01.280 turn around you say, you know, I'm not sure today, Like, 1037 00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:03.960 what is it that get you going to make sure 1038 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:04.679 you win the day? 1039 00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:07.960 Well, I've yet to have those days. I mean, I'm 1040 00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:09.679 when I get up, I'm eager to get to work 1041 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:12.519 and get going, and and I think a lot of it. 1042 00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:14.559 These players keep you young. I mean, it's kind of 1043 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.480 a weird dynamic where you know, the players keep cycling 1044 00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:19.800 through and they're the same age. Their age means constant 1045 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:21.920 I'm getting older as we go through this, but I 1046 00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:24.960 don't feel that because I'm around the young guys you know, 1047 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:28.159 all the time, and so it's in a way it 1048 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:32.440 keeps you young and keeps you revitalized and makes you 1049 00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:33.920 look forward to coming to work every day. 1050 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:34.679 Jealous. 1051 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.360 I'm impressed and very jealous because there are some days 1052 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:38.840 I don't know that I have it. I just forced 1053 00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:40.920 myself to do it, no matter what I wonder, Kyle, 1054 00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:44.480 I wonder if you would share with us. Yeah, if 1055 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.800 there is a couple of boxes you want checked before 1056 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:50.760 you decide to ski and golf and hang out with 1057 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:51.400 the grandkids. 1058 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:54.679 Are there things out there that you really badly. 1059 00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:56.639 Want to accomplish as a head coach in this game 1060 00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:58.880 before you decide that it's time to go be grandpa. 1061 00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:02.320 I think there's certainly things, you know, move into the 1062 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:05.360 new conference and wanting to win a championship in that conference. 1063 00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.599 We were able to you know, do that in the 1064 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:09.719 Mountain West and the Pac twelve, and so that's another 1065 00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:12.920 challenge is to try to try to repeat that in 1066 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.400 the Big twelve. And of course now with that would 1067 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.639 come an opportunity to be in the CFP, and so 1068 00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.440 that would go hand in hand. You know, with CFP 1069 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:24.280 is obviously, in my opinion, our opinion, the next logical 1070 00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:27.159 step in the programs evolution. You know, we've won championships, 1071 00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.760 but we have not cracked that playoff system yet. And 1072 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.280 now with it being more accessible and with the automatic 1073 00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:38.719 bid process, that like I said, becomes something that is 1074 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:39.960 really important to us. 1075 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:42.440 So let's move over now to the here and now 1076 00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.199 I just don't want to ask you the same questions 1077 00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:46.159 you're asked at your media presser on Monday, because I 1078 00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:48.320 don't want to bore you. But now that we've had 1079 00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:52.599 a few months of sample size, what are the main 1080 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:56.199 differences between your old challenge in the Pac twelve and 1081 00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:57.719 the new one you have in the Big twelve. 1082 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.000 Well, still figuring that out. That's it's a work in 1083 00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:03.400 progress now. Obviously we've got a lot of teams in 1084 00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:05.119 the in the Big twelve that we know a great 1085 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.000 deal about, you know, they're in the back twelve with us, 1086 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:09.840 and so there's there is some familiarity, but there's a 1087 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.079 lot of unknown still and going to still Water, you know, 1088 00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:15.079 and not knowing what to expect. I mean, it was 1089 00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:19.039 you know, a phenomenal environment, great stadium, looked like it 1090 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:22.000 was a capacity crowd and so and then getting a 1091 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.159 feel for the personnel in this league of the teams 1092 00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:27.400 that we have had faced before, and kind of getting 1093 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:29.199 an idea of how we match up. And you know, 1094 00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.199 the first week I think went very well. We matched 1095 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:34.920 up very well, But every week's a new challenge. You know, 1096 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.280 this week will be an Arizona team we're very familiar with, 1097 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.400 it's a new coaching staff and new new schematics, but 1098 00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:43.199 but very familiar with the you know, the key players 1099 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.719 on the team and and so it's it's a process. 1100 00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:48.559 It's a learning process, and just just taking a week 1101 00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:49.800 by week and I'll be able to give you a 1102 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.000 really good answer to the difference is in about eight 1103 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:52.920 or nine weeks from now. 1104 00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:53.360 For sure. 1105 00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:55.679 It's been a lot of fun to watch Isaac grow 1106 00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.280 rapidly as an eighteen year old who enrolled in April. 1107 00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.440 It's crazy that he is that young and he's been 1108 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:03.920 able to grow the way he has already. The question 1109 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:07.639 I'll ask today coach is with the situation with Cam 1110 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:11.159 and trying to get him back and then ultimately deciding 1111 00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:14.559 on Isaac a week ago, what sort of complications is 1112 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:17.119 that bringing it practice as far as how you decide 1113 00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:19.679 to delineate the reps with the ones with your two 1114 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:21.119 quarterbacks who you like right now. 1115 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:23.679 Yeah, that's the biggest challenge in the whole thing, is 1116 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.239 exactly that, and who do we prepare? And it's it's 1117 00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:31.199 a projection. You just do your best to try to determine, 1118 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:34.039 you know, based on where we are today and project 1119 00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.679 that out what three days from now, I guess is 1120 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.159 the way we handle it. We've got a plan in place, 1121 00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.159 and I think this week, you know, things have gone 1122 00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:46.360 pretty smooth. We're still taking it day by day, but 1123 00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:49.000 I think coach lut has put a really good plan 1124 00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:50.880 in place as far as how to divide the reps 1125 00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:55.159 and and how the you know, how practices is run 1126 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.079 and you know, who gets what situations, and so I 1127 00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:01.760 think we're I think we're getting pretty good at it, unfortunately, 1128 00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:05.840 but but you know, cam Is is, uh, he's our 1129 00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:08.679 guy when he's healthy, and we're just waiting for that, uh, 1130 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:10.840 you know, that's zip to come back on the ball 1131 00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:13.039 and the and the you know, the velocity and the 1132 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.840 and the accuracy and and he's a proven commodity and 1133 00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:19.199 there's won two championships for us. But as you mentioned, 1134 00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.159 the young freshman's doing a great job and and getting 1135 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.400 better each week and and so we'll just have to 1136 00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:25.719 see how things shake out this week. 1137 00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:28.760 So it's not that I didn't think Mackay could run 1138 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.920 between the tackles. I had just never seen it. What 1139 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:33.880 what are you the most proud of as far as 1140 00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:37.400 MacKaye's growth, Because the debate has been Who's gonna evolve 1141 00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:39.360 out of that running back room. You've always said mackay 1142 00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:41.519 is the one. Well, he looked like a bell cow 1143 00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:43.760 last week. Coach, What are you the most proud of 1144 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:45.679 as far as the way mckaye has worked over you know, 1145 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:47.320 five six years to meet this moment. 1146 00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:49.639 Yeah, what's there not to be proud of? 1147 00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:49.840 Him? 1148 00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.239 And the guy is such a such a team first, 1149 00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.960 guy has been the program for a long time, as 1150 00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:59.719 you mentioned, has never one time complained about playing time, carries, touches, 1151 00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:01.480 none of that stuff. He just comes out and works 1152 00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:03.719 hard every day. And one of the things I'm most 1153 00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:06.559 proud of is the difficulty they faced last year with that, 1154 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:11.599 with that real tragic accident and injury, is that he 1155 00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:14.239 was able to come back and you know, get himself 1156 00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:17.199 back in shape and had that drive and desire to 1157 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.880 finish the deal here and finish his last year. And 1158 00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:24.159 so far, you know, we're very grateful obviously and glad 1159 00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:26.280 that he's with us and he's he's having a terrific 1160 00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:27.000 season so far. 1161 00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:29.239 All right, coach, before I say you loose your reference, 1162 00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:31.119 Arizona got got last year. 1163 00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:31.800 It happens. 1164 00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:35.719 How much motivation is there As far as payback goes 1165 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:36.320 if there's. 1166 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:37.039 Anything there at all. 1167 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.519 I mean, ultimately, you guys have stayed clean in the 1168 00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:41.199 non con, you've started out the conference. 1169 00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:42.480 Well, you're in a great spot. 1170 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:45.679 So I don't know how much a year ago comes 1171 00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:48.239 into play for Saturday night, But what's the mentality to 1172 00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:50.639 make sure that you guys are ready to roll for 1173 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:52.719 a late kick on a beautiful night? Can't wait for 1174 00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:54.320 Saturday night as Arizona's in town. 1175 00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:58.199 Sure, Well, the main motivation is to play better when 1176 00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:00.280 he had last year. We're more concerned about ourselves and 1177 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:03.800 our poor performance last year and getting that corrected and rectified. 1178 00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:07.760 Then then any you know, revenge or grudge or anything 1179 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:09.559 like that. We just know that we went down there 1180 00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:11.679 and and they outplayed us, and we were it was 1181 00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:14.920 our poorest performance of the year, and and uh, like 1182 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:17.559 I said, very disappointing. And so we got to we 1183 00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:19.519 had to try to you know, correct that and play 1184 00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:21.559 much better this year. And and our players, you know, 1185 00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:24.679 based on the first couple of days of practice, have 1186 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.079 a great mindset and are in the uh you know, 1187 00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:30.119 we're doing things the right way to this point. And uh, 1188 00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:31.400 but you got to put it on the field on 1189 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:34.280 Saturday night and can't wait to can't wait for kickoff 1190 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:36.519 in that crowd. You know that the Rice Cycles crowd 1191 00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.480 is phenomenal, but at night it becomes, uh, you know, 1192 00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:42.679 even another higher level and so we're excited to uh 1193 00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:43.920 play in front of those fans. 1194 00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:46.360 You allowed yourself to keep one eye open on that 1195 00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.719 team down South? I'll say team down South. You don't 1196 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:50.199 have to say it today, but have you allowed have 1197 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.599 you allowed to keep one eye open on what what 1198 00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:54.800 Kilani's doing with a decent start for b Yu. 1199 00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:57.719 Well, I haven't had a chance to watch, but obviously 1200 00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:01.679 they're heard, and you know it's very you know, obviously 1201 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:04.679 they're they're undefeated and doing a good job. But we're 1202 00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:07.000 so focused on the task at hand and who's up next. 1203 00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:11.039 That's where all our attention lies. But so far, it's 1204 00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:13.079 good to see football in the city of Utah thriving. 1205 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:15.599 Thank you, sir, have a great week of prep. Best 1206 00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:18.039 of luck Saturday night. Pulling for is always Kyle, Thanks 1207 00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:18.400 so much. 1208 00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:21.000 Okay, spender take care all right, there's. 1209 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.440 A coach wack. Kyle winning Im, the head coach at 1210 00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:23.320 the University of Utah. 1211 00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:26.199 On a Wednesday edition of The Drive more coming up 1212 00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:31.400 next right here on ESPN seven hundred all I would 1213 00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:35.679 live today here at beer bar right downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. 1214 00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:37.039 Come on by and say hi. 1215 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:41.800 It's a great day outside, man, it's like eighty five degrees. 1216 00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:42.159 Something like it. 1217 00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:46.000 It's one sixty one East, two hundred South, downtown Salt Lake. 1218 00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:47.079 The deck is open. 1219 00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:51.280 People are outside having beverages, so come on down. 1220 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:54.679 They've got great sausages, great burgers. They're shooting a commercial 1221 00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:55.880 next door at bar X. 1222 00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:59.480 I've been very curious to witness who's walking in and 1223 00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:01.280 out of that or right next to us. I've not 1224 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:05.440 seen Ty Burrell yet. Nick Romondo and the crew, I 1225 00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:07.480 haven't seen anybody yet. But they are shooting a commercial. 1226 00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:09.960 It's kind of hopping down here, so come on down 1227 00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:12.039 and say what's up. One sixty one Eat, two hundred South. 1228 00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:14.239 The parking out front is a little bit better than 1229 00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:17.119 it has been for like, I don't know, seven years. 1230 00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:20.679 The construction appears to be close to being completed, so 1231 00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:21.159 we love. 1232 00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:21.559 To see him. 1233 00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:24.400 All right, We're gonna bring in Dalton Losserman coming up 1234 00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:27.239 right at the top of the four o'clock hour. It' 1235 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:29.840 stock some Pro football week four of the NFL gets 1236 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:33.159 rolling tomorrow. You can hear Thursday Night football on our 1237 00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:36.039 radio station. It is going to be Dallas and New York. 1238 00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:38.960 It's the Cowboys and the Giants. Feels like a little 1239 00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:41.079 bit of a must win for the Cowboys. Quite frankly, 1240 00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:43.320 I don't think the Giants are thought to be doing 1241 00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:44.199 very much this year. 1242 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:45.800 And then Josh Pate will join us. 1243 00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:49.639 A lot to do today with Josh paid as the 1244 00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:52.360 eyes of the college football world are on Tuscal Loosen 1245 00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.239 coming up on Saturday. Josh will be down there with 1246 00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:58.559 his college football pod. And so it's Georgia, it's Bama 1247 00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:02.320 and should be a really really fun game as Alabama 1248 00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:05.960 is a home underdog for the first time since two 1249 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:07.199 thousand and seven. 1250 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:10.079 All Right, in case you missed it, you know, this 1251 00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:11.880 was a story that. 1252 00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:15.880 Broke oh Man about four or four or five hours 1253 00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:20.000 ago thereabouts, something like that. So UNLV, believe it or not, 1254 00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:24.760 you ONLV is a really good football program currently, not historically, 1255 00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:27.599 but they've got a good team this year. They've beaten 1256 00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:30.960 two Big twelve teams on the road. They beat Houston, 1257 00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:34.039 Houston's not great, but then they went and they beat 1258 00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:38.239 Kansas at their house. They hung seventy two on Texas Tech. 1259 00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:41.559 They're undefeated right now out of the Mountain West, and 1260 00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:46.639 Vegas has them as the favorite to represent the G 1261 00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:49.519 five group of five teams in the CFP as of 1262 00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:54.119 right now, and this morning, they're starting quarterback who's played 1263 00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:57.719 really well for them, kidnamed Matthew Sluka, who on the 1264 00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.800 season right now is a QP about one point thirty seven, 1265 00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:05.280 six touchdowns, one pick, he can really run it, two 1266 00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:08.519 thirty nine carries, two fifty nine he's rushed for a touchdown. 1267 00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:12.119 He's rushing for about six and a half yards per carry. 1268 00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:17.960 Holy Cross Transfer and according to his agent, so Matthew 1269 00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:20.559 Sluca has left the team, all right. This is the 1270 00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:25.400 starting quarterback for an undefeated three to zero UNLV football 1271 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:29.000 team who right now appears to be in the driver's 1272 00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:32.119 seat to be the G five rep in the CFP. 1273 00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:34.320 And obviously there's a ton of football left. 1274 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:36.599 But when you look at the rest of their schedule, 1275 00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:39.559 their biggest pitfall is probably Boise State, but they get 1276 00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:42.880 Boise State at home. They've got a pretty manageable schedule 1277 00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:44.519 the rest of the way. There's no reason to believe 1278 00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:48.800 that this early season success would not have continued. But 1279 00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:52.880 Matthew Sluca has left the team officially, he is out 1280 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:57.320 overclaims of an unfulfilled verbal NIL promise from a UNLV 1281 00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:01.360 assistant coach, and ultimately this has been met with a 1282 00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:04.719 lot of different reactions, and so I always like to 1283 00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:08.000 read Ross Dellinger on this stuff. Ross writes for Yahoo 1284 00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:09.719 He's kind of a north star on some of the 1285 00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:13.400 nil and business of college football topics that we kind 1286 00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.480 of deal with every single day with this sport that 1287 00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:19.119 we all love but all we all love it, but 1288 00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:22.360 it drives it's all crazy. As I talked about earlier, 1289 00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:26.400 when Aaron falkstop I live here at beer bar. When 1290 00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:30.280 they get college football right, I'm really really excited to 1291 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:33.079 see what that looks like, because this is such a 1292 00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:39.639 massive behemoth business and such a phenomenal entertainment product without 1293 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:42.599 any tangible leadership or grown ups in the room that 1294 00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.519 seem to know what they're doing. You get the right 1295 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:48.599 people in charge, you actually get college football settled in, 1296 00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:52.039 you get it right. You take it away from the NCAA, 1297 00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:53.480 screw the collegiate model. 1298 00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:56.079 You can see you can miss me entirely with that. 1299 00:59:56.480 --> 01:00:00.519 Okay, the toothpaste is out of the tube, the genies 1300 01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:01.159 out of the bottle. 1301 01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:03.159 Use whatever cliche you want to use. 1302 01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:06.239 There's no going back to amateurism, which was never real, 1303 01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.920 and the you know, the the sanctity of amateur athletics, 1304 01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:13.400 which is always a farce. They invented terms in order 1305 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:17.400 to not pay labor tax. Terms like student athlete that 1306 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:20.079 we all just regurgitated because we didn't know any better, 1307 01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:22.760 was propagated into our lives. And if you love football, 1308 01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:25.719 you speak the language, so we all use the terms. 1309 01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:29.159 But when you realize what you know, the Wizard of 1310 01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.400 Oz is really doing behind the curtain, then you start 1311 01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:33.079 to get wise a little bit to understand what this 1312 01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:37.719 stuff really is about. And right now, as much as ever, 1313 01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:41.440 they've got to find a way to get leadership, and 1314 01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:44.320 they need a commissioner. They need a breakaway from the NCAA. 1315 01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:47.679 The good news is they have a business model that 1316 01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:50.440 they can utilize for best practices, and that is pro football. 1317 01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:52.039 It's the NFL, It essentially is anyway. 1318 01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:57.599 But until they allow the players to unionize and collectively 1319 01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:01.000 bargain now the question now, right now is who would 1320 01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:02.400 they collectively bargain with? 1321 01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:02.760 Now? 1322 01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:06.440 The House first NCAA settlement will be a couple of 1323 01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.199 steps in the right direction. But this was thought to 1324 01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:12.119 be finished months ago. And the dirty little secret is 1325 01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:14.800 when lawyers get involved, they like to stack up those 1326 01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:18.239 billable hours, so I'm sure they're not in a hurry 1327 01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:21.719 to push this thing through. And the dirty little secret 1328 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:24.079 is Saturdays still feel like Saturday. So I can sit 1329 01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:27.400 here in belly ache about what I perceive to be 1330 01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:31.280 a sport that's broken. But then on Saturday morning, I'm 1331 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:32.960 sitting down like the rest of you with my coffee 1332 01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:35.159 and my breakfast brito. I'm ready to watch games, I'm 1333 01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:37.440 ready to go to games, I'm ready to cover the sport, 1334 01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:40.519 and I enjoy it. So when I say it's broken, 1335 01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:43.719 it's certainly the system and the business that's broken. But 1336 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:47.760 this is an example I think of one of the 1337 01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:52.960 more invasive scenarios and situations that's happened that should really 1338 01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:58.079 open your eyes to how crazy the chaos is starting 1339 01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:01.719 to become and has been becoming for sometime. Like let's say, 1340 01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:07.400 for instance, Utah's four and oh and let's say Cam. 1341 01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:08.239 Has been able to stay healthy. 1342 01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:09.960 He played in all four games, He's balling out all 1343 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.159 four games, Utah's four and oh their top ten, and 1344 01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:17.079 Cam suddenly is like, I'm out. I'm leaving. It's not 1345 01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:19.679 that I'm not playing this week. I'm leaving the program. 1346 01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:24.119 I'm moving home because somebody promised me one hundred k verbally. Now, 1347 01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:26.719 the reports that are coming out is the assistant coach 1348 01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:30.440 is adamly denying this and kids, listen up, get it 1349 01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:34.960 in writing. Okay, So there any Utah byu Utah State 1350 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.199 football players, athletes listening to this. First of all, what 1351 01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:38.760 are you doing? Go live your life. Second of all, 1352 01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:42.639 if you happen to be tuned in, get it in writing, 1353 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:46.719 get it in writing, period, moving forward. No matter what, 1354 01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:51.199 verbal promises are way too easy to deny by people 1355 01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:53.360 who don't have any moral code. 1356 01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:54.599 And I don't know what happened. 1357 01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:57.280 I was not on the phone with the conversation that 1358 01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.280 took place between Matthew Sluca and the you it'll be 1359 01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:03.920 assistant back all the way back when they were going 1360 01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:09.000 through the recruiting process. According to Matthew Sluca's agent, Marcus Camardi, 1361 01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:12.480 the comment that was made to Matthew Sluca was quote, 1362 01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:16.599 come play here and will pay you one hundred thousand dollars. 1363 01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:20.960 That's their side of the story, but there's no recording 1364 01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:25.159 of the conversation, there's no actual contract. This simply comes 1365 01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:29.519 down to your word verse mind, and that's not enough 1366 01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:33.440 proof to push anything through, especially when they're a six 1367 01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:38.039 figure paycheck at stake. Now, again, this is a bigger 1368 01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:40.440 deal than most people are making because this is in 1369 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:45.360 the nil and transfer portal world of college football. I 1370 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:48.599 think the folks that have been sounded the alarm have 1371 01:03:48.679 --> 01:03:51.960 been proven to be more or less incorrect, because, like 1372 01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:54.880 I said, Saturday's in the Fall still feel like Saturday's 1373 01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:57.840 in the Fall. Top shelf. College football is still the 1374 01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:02.039 second most popular sport in our country, number one, of 1375 01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:07.480 course being pro football. And those dynamics haven't changed. Teams 1376 01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:11.320 have changed conferences, and it's weird to see our former 1377 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:13.960 Pac twelve friends in the SEC in the Big ten, 1378 01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:17.320 and it's weird that suddenly, you know, if you had 1379 01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:20.800 a buddy that decided to move to Bali for four 1380 01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:22.719 years and he's a sports fan, he came home and 1381 01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:24.960 you're like, oh, hey, just so you know, Utah and 1382 01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:27.039 by you're in the Big twelve and Utah States in 1383 01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:30.079 the Pac twelve. Now, like yes, it's different, it's chaotic, 1384 01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.760 it's crazy. There's plenty of money. They told us for 1385 01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:34.840 years there was not enough money to pay everybody. 1386 01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:36.800 There is. There's more than enough. 1387 01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:41.000 It is a multi billion dollar business with very healthy 1388 01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:44.599 P and L statements and revenue streams, despite no business 1389 01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:47.960 acumen or leadership from the people who are actually in 1390 01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:52.119 the seats that matter. It will be studied years from 1391 01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:56.280 now as far as how could this have happened? How 1392 01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:00.280 could a business with no tangible leadership, no really forward thinking, 1393 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:05.400 intelligent people in charge have created this scenario in this 1394 01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:08.719 business and this product that millions and millions and millions 1395 01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:11.960 and millions of people will consume, no matter how bad 1396 01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:15.079 you screw it up, like they obviously haven't screwed it 1397 01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:16.880 up that bad, because if they would, if you guys 1398 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.239 would not be watching, you would not be going. But 1399 01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:23.199 TV ratings for both pro and NFL pro football and 1400 01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:24.559 college football through. 1401 01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:29.599 The roof, my understanding is attendance through the roof. There 1402 01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:31.440 is a thirst for this game. 1403 01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:35.760 There is a desire to consume college football games, college 1404 01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:40.400 football shows, college football podcasts, radio shows, TV shows, whatever 1405 01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:43.159 it is. This time of year, people are eating it up, 1406 01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:48.639 and so I've never been an alarmist about the future 1407 01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:52.440 and president of college football. I've never been a ring 1408 01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:55.519 the alarm bell. This sport that we all love is 1409 01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:57.519 in trouble. I don't believe that to be true, simply 1410 01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:00.559 because the product is too good. You know, you go 1411 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:02.519 to see Pearl Jam. It doesn't matter where you see him. 1412 01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:04.199 You love Pearl Jam. It's gonna sound like Pearl Jamm. 1413 01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:10.000 Like things change, venues are different, drummers quit and other 1414 01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:11.199 musicians are hired. 1415 01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:13.360 If you love the product, you're gonna love the product 1416 01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:14.000 no matter what. 1417 01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:20.000 But today is from my vantage point, today's the first 1418 01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:23.639 day a player straight up quit and a quarterback for 1419 01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:26.599 a team that is off to an incredible start to 1420 01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:30.719 the season just straight up quit because he claims a 1421 01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:33.599 verbal promise was made to him that he was set 1422 01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:35.760 to be paid one hundred thousand dollars. And on the 1423 01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:37.519 other side of the story is they're denying that they 1424 01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:44.639 ever made the promise. So tomorrow the NCAA, the Power Conferences, 1425 01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:48.519 and their attorneys must file a brief in the House 1426 01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:51.760 Anti Trust Settlement. Of course, a multi billion dollar agreement 1427 01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:55.000 that would usher into the sport direct revenue sharing with 1428 01:06:55.119 --> 01:07:00.119 athletes and more notably given this situation, provide transparency or 1429 01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:03.559 binding agreements directly with schools. This is my guy Ross 1430 01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:06.159 Dellinger kind of walking us through the whole thing. 1431 01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:08.760 So both sides are spoken to this. 1432 01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:13.639 Point, and we're not really sure exactly where the truth is. Coramarti, 1433 01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:16.559 who's the agent for Equity Sports representing this young man, 1434 01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:20.599 is saying, quote, it starts off with full transparency. We 1435 01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:23.880 must allow these negotiations and these written agreements to happen 1436 01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:26.960 and not put so many relegations on them. The school 1437 01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.800 and coaches are negotiating, but you are allowing someone else 1438 01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:33.079 to pay for it, hoping they get the money from Boosters. 1439 01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:33.920 It's very messy. 1440 01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:37.320 So essentially, if you read between the lines, this is 1441 01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:39.719 Matthew Sluca's agent, Marcus Cremarti. 1442 01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:42.519 What he's saying is their side of the story is 1443 01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:46.760 an assistant coach simply made a promise and he was 1444 01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:49.440 trying to write a check that he couldn't cash, and 1445 01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:52.519 the promise that was made was contingent upon the one 1446 01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:57.800 hundred thousand dollars coming from Boosters, alumni donors and such, 1447 01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:00.480 and the money never came. That's the side of the 1448 01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:04.000 story from Kramarti and Sluka, and on the other side 1449 01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:08.280 of it, UNLV just essentially is said that there was 1450 01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:11.599 never it was never promised, so it was a one 1451 01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:15.559 hundred thousand dollars nil deal promised by an assistant coach. 1452 01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:19.960 It was not made with the collective. This is according 1453 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:24.680 to Rob Sign, who's the CEO of Blueprint Sports. We 1454 01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:28.159 talked about Blueprint on the show before. Blueprint Sports operates 1455 01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:31.159 UNLV's collective, and so Rob Sign has come out and 1456 01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:35.039 said the collective is not made an agreement to pace 1457 01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:38.079 Luca one hundred thousand dollars. They did make a one 1458 01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:41.920 time payment of three grand to Sluka as recently as 1459 01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:46.279 last weekend, and according to the collective, which again that's 1460 01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:49.000 the piece of this that really needs to come into 1461 01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.039 play here, because if you kind of connect the dots, 1462 01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:54.479 what we're seeing as the story unfolds is the assistant 1463 01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:56.960 coach made a promise and he believed on the back 1464 01:08:57.039 --> 01:08:59.039 end of the promise the collective would make it right. 1465 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:02.600 But it looks like the assistant coach did not talk 1466 01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:06.079 to the collective before making the promise to the athlete, 1467 01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:08.520 and therefore the collective today has said, you know, we 1468 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:11.720 never made this promise, but they were discussing a monthly 1469 01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:16.439 payment of three thousand dollars before Sluca decided to leave. 1470 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:19.199 And he's going to use his red shirt, by the way, 1471 01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:22.039 to leave the team. So players can compete in up 1472 01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:23.800 to four games in a season and still use a 1473 01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:26.840 red shirt. So I guess that answers the question as 1474 01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:28.640 to why he left when he did, so he will 1475 01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:31.760 utilize that red shirt. Like I said, he's a Holy 1476 01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:34.439 Cross quarterback that's a lower level school. Didn't know much 1477 01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:37.079 about him. He's played really well for UNLV this year. 1478 01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:41.920 So Coramarti has actually gone on and say, quote the collective. 1479 01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:42.960 So it's funny how this is going. 1480 01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:45.840 So the collective chimes in, Camarti c chimes in, and 1481 01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:48.600 Kmarti is the agent for Sluka, he said, quote the 1482 01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:51.520 collective may not have agreed to the one hundred thousand dollars, 1483 01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:52.920 but the coaches did. 1484 01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:54.840 So the schools released. 1485 01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:57.039 A statement now and again this is this is a 1486 01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:00.640 really big deal because from my vantage point, this is unprecedented. Yes, 1487 01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:04.479 players have left, Yes, players have transferred. Yes, players get 1488 01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:08.119 disgruntled about playing time or touches or now maybe nil, 1489 01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:11.279 but a starting quarterback for a team that's undefeated and 1490 01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:13.560 the Vegas favorite to be a G five rep in 1491 01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:19.199 the CFP has left the program over a verbal promise 1492 01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:21.119 that was made him for one hundred thousand dollars, Like 1493 01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:24.239 if this doesn't resonate with you as to why this 1494 01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:30.399 sport needs not relegation regulation as soon as possible, and 1495 01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:34.279 an adult in charge, a commissioner that knows the business 1496 01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:38.600 of sports, a commissioner that understands the relationships between i'll 1497 01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:39.920 say owners and players. 1498 01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:41.840 In this case it's schools and players. 1499 01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:44.840 But because my belief has been for a long time 1500 01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:48.199 that we are high speed ahead to college football looking 1501 01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:50.039 a lot like pro football, just kind of use the 1502 01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:52.920 same verbiage, like you need somebody who understands the dynamic 1503 01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:57.279 of employer employee in pro sports, of owner of athlete, 1504 01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:02.279 of owner of coach, like you need somebody that understands 1505 01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:05.359 the entire dynamic of the situation. And then you need 1506 01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:09.640 on that side of the business a very good, solid 1507 01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:12.520 infrastructure in place of smart, capable people, just. 1508 01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:13.640 Like there are at the NFL. 1509 01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:15.520 You could say what you want about Roger Goodell, the 1510 01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:18.720 business of football is insanely good and then on the 1511 01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:21.760 other side, you let the players unionize, they hire a 1512 01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:24.439 players rep and then you collectively bargain and then. 1513 01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:25.800 These kids sign contracts. 1514 01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:27.960 And yes, you don't love that, because then it becomes 1515 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:30.880 more clear and present right in front of your face 1516 01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:35.239 that it's pro. Guys, It's been pro for a long time. Okay, 1517 01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:37.520 now it's just time to bring it out of the shadows. 1518 01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:39.880 And I understand that you don't love that. 1519 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:42.640 I understand. I hear from a lot of you that college. 1520 01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:44.600 Football doesn't land with you the way that it used to, 1521 01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:48.359 because you loved the idea of players playing for the 1522 01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:50.680 love of the game and a scholarship as opposed to 1523 01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:54.880 a paycheck. The problem is, behind the scenes, there were 1524 01:11:54.960 --> 01:12:00.079 several people getting wealthy building the business on the back 1525 01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:04.760 of these employees. They didn't pay. It was blatant anti trust. 1526 01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:08.319 You know, it was breaking anti trust rules. They were 1527 01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:11.800 a serial anti trust violator. Judges told them that the 1528 01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:14.159 Supreme Court told them that they were essentially kicked out 1529 01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:16.800 of court, and the judge said, go figure it out. 1530 01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:19.920 And Mark Emmer just decided to essentially ride out into 1531 01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:22.520 the sunset, because that's the dude who was in charge 1532 01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:25.560 of most of the botched years of decision making anyway, 1533 01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:29.000 and now we're step by step trying to figure it out. 1534 01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:33.640 But today is an example that as a college football fan, 1535 01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:36.640 you should be a little bit concerned that they're not 1536 01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:41.039 figuring it out fast enough, because today it's UNLV's quarterback, 1537 01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:45.800 Tomorrow it could be Ohio State's quarterback. You just don't 1538 01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:51.039 know if these promises are being made by folks that 1539 01:12:51.079 --> 01:12:54.000 simply just don't know any better because they believe that 1540 01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:56.319 their promises will be made right on the back end 1541 01:12:56.319 --> 01:13:01.600 by their collectives. And obviously the communication structure here has 1542 01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:04.600 been extremely flawed because you have four different people pointing 1543 01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:07.359 in four different directions about how this actually all went down. 1544 01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:12.000 But you allow the players to hire a players Union 1545 01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:15.159 director like they have in pro sports, and believe me, 1546 01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:17.680 there will be lawyers lining up to work for both 1547 01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:21.399 the NCAA and the players, because lawyers like billable hours. 1548 01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:23.199 Send your kids law school. 1549 01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:26.479 Okay, So there'll be plenty of smart people lined up 1550 01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:29.319 to participate in what I perceive to be a badly 1551 01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:32.840 needed solution, and I've believed it to be a badly 1552 01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:36.359 needed solution for quite some time. The problem is at 1553 01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:38.399 the end of the day, the product doesn't suffer. 1554 01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:40.640 You still watch, you still attend. 1555 01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:45.039 The live TV rights continue to spike in value, and 1556 01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:49.399 it's hard to stay hungry when you're well fed, right. 1557 01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:51.640 I kind of alluded to that with my conversation with 1558 01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:54.560 Coach Witt earlier in the hour. This is a man who, 1559 01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:57.039 in his mid sixties has made more money than he 1560 01:13:57.079 --> 01:13:57.960 could ever spend. 1561 01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:00.800 He's won conference championship at every level. 1562 01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:03.720 He's been like, what is it that motivates you to 1563 01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:05.840 get out of bed every day? When you've accomplished so 1564 01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:09.279 many things, and when the business of college football is 1565 01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:13.479 still very sound, there will not be a sense of 1566 01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:16.680 urgency from the people that quite frankly, should be urgent 1567 01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:19.880 about their actions because things like this are going to happen. 1568 01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:23.760 Key players from good football teams are just going to bounce. 1569 01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:25.479 And oh, by the way, I haven't even touched on 1570 01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:31.079 the bevy of lawsuits that has been filed will be 1571 01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:36.640 filed against the nc against the NCAA. The latest was 1572 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:38.760 the lawsuit filed by Reggie Bush, who, by the way, 1573 01:14:39.399 --> 01:14:42.479 is probably the one dude that should absolutely file the lawsuit. 1574 01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:46.760 But they went back with the House settlement to essentially 1575 01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:48.199 take care of athletes. 1576 01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:53.159 I believe it was back to two thy twelve or something. 1577 01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:54.479 I'll have to look that up because I want to 1578 01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:57.199 make sure I get that information right. But the problem 1579 01:14:57.279 --> 01:15:00.359 is plenty of lawyers will take your phone call and 1580 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:04.119 take your case. If you were a really good college athlete, 1581 01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:07.800 like the year before, they're cut off point and just 1582 01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:10.840 because you graduated in eleven instead of twelve, you're not 1583 01:15:12.199 --> 01:15:15.680 you know, you're not able to participate in any distributions 1584 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:20.520 or settlements. They're going to continue to deal with these lawsuits. 1585 01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:22.760 And I don't see what the endgame is. I really 1586 01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:25.239 don't because at some point, I mean, they've already written 1587 01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:26.800 out a bunch of checks, they've already tried to make 1588 01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:28.319 a bunch of things right. And you know, with the 1589 01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:31.159 house settlement, we'll see exactly when the dust settles, what 1590 01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:35.760 the details are. But today it's Reggie Bush. Tomorrow it's 1591 01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:38.199 the next guy who maybe at some point in his 1592 01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:40.479 life has fallen on tough times and he's flat broke, 1593 01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:43.000 and maybe he was a four year awesome quarterback at 1594 01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:44.319 some decent school. 1595 01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:47.319 And he graduated the year before. 1596 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:49.680 The rest of the athletes who are able to participate 1597 01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:52.880 in the distribution graduated, he's gonna say, where's mine, and 1598 01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:56.680 that's gonna be another lawsuit like this is such a case, 1599 01:15:57.279 --> 01:16:02.119 an example of awful preparation, and how if you don't 1600 01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:06.119 handle your business immediately and you procrastinate and you kick 1601 01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:09.039 the can down the road, suddenly you're left with a 1602 01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:11.720 tidal wave of problems and you don't know which way 1603 01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:13.640 is up, and you don't know which way is down. 1604 01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:17.920 And I honestly don't know how this plays out. 1605 01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:20.520 I'll just repeat what I've been saying on this program 1606 01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:23.720 now for five years. The sooner you can get to 1607 01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:26.960 the pro model, the sooner you have a commissioner in 1608 01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:29.960 place on one side, in charge of the business affairs of 1609 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:30.319 the league. 1610 01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:32.439 And yes, I'm going to call it the league because 1611 01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:34.760 it will be one league of like forty teams. 1612 01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:36.439 This is not a new take. You guys have heard 1613 01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:39.760 or read all about this stuff. It will be one league, 1614 01:16:40.279 --> 01:16:43.720 thirty five forty teams. So the commissioner is in charge 1615 01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:46.560 of the governing body of that league. And then you 1616 01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:50.039 allow the players to unionize, and the players can unionize 1617 01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:52.039 if they're in the league, of course, not the other 1618 01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:54.640 teams that will be left out, which is an UH 1619 01:16:54.720 --> 01:16:58.880 which is an unfortunate piece of collateral damage that is unavoidable. 1620 01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:04.439 The players are allowed to unionize with a player's association president. 1621 01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:06.720 They have that in the pro leagues. Every pro league 1622 01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:10.479 has it. And then you collectively bargain. Okay, you open 1623 01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:12.960 up the books. What are the revenue streams? What exactly 1624 01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:15.680 are you bringing in as a result of everything that 1625 01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:19.640 this new league entails, TV rights, ticket rip, merch, food 1626 01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:20.159 and bev. 1627 01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:23.239 All of it. Okay, And then then you split the pie. 1628 01:17:24.039 --> 01:17:27.560 And you know, usually in pro sports it's split almost 1629 01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:31.039 fifty to fifty. Typically there are a couple of percentage 1630 01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:33.840 points in the way of the athletes because they are 1631 01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:34.439 the product. 1632 01:17:35.159 --> 01:17:36.600 I think the last NBA. 1633 01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:40.039 Revenue split was like fifty four forty six or something. 1634 01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:44.239 It's close to fifty to fifty, but percentage points skewed 1635 01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:46.840 towards the athletes because they are the product and their 1636 01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:49.960 shelf life as an employee is much shorter than a 1637 01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:52.439 Roger Goodell who can do his job for fifty years. 1638 01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:54.119 So take care of the players. 1639 01:17:54.039 --> 01:17:57.239 Allow him to unionize, pay them and yes, they signed contracts, 1640 01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:00.479 and guess what that will do? That will aid the 1641 01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:03.479 complications of the transfer portal. I know you hate it. 1642 01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:06.239 I know it's uncomfortable to say out loud. Okay, I'm 1643 01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:08.439 a University of Utah fan and they're gonna sign their 1644 01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:11.720 next quarterback to a four year, twenty two million dollar 1645 01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:16.359 deal or whatever. I know that's uncomfortable, But that's capitalism, 1646 01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:19.279 that's America. That's the reality of where this business is. 1647 01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:21.359 And the players should have had a piece of the 1648 01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:24.920 pie long before this, and if they did, instead of 1649 01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:29.359 being lied to by bad actors and Charlatan's, we wouldn't 1650 01:18:29.399 --> 01:18:30.720 be in this mess where. 1651 01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:34.000 We're at today. But I will reiterate my bottom line. 1652 01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:37.279 The product is still great, and the games are awesome, 1653 01:18:37.319 --> 01:18:39.399 and Saturday's in the fall still feel like Saturdays in 1654 01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:43.319 the fall. But this situation with Matthew Sluga Sluca, excuse 1655 01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:48.439 me leaving UNLV. They're starting quarterback after they start three 1656 01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:51.079 to zero with two wins over Big twelve teams, and 1657 01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:54.319 they're the Vegas favorite to be the G five rep 1658 01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:58.479 in the CFP, and he bounces. Guys, he's not leaving 1659 01:18:59.159 --> 01:19:01.520 for a day. He's not saying I'm not playing this week. 1660 01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:03.600 He left. He's using his. 1661 01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:06.600 Red shirt to sit out because of a verbal promise 1662 01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:09.000 that he said was made to him for a one 1663 01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:11.479 hundred thousand dollars check that was never made right by 1664 01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:16.880 the collective. Just another example of the lack of leadership 1665 01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:21.359 and direction when it comes to this unbelievable product. And 1666 01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:24.800 whoever gets college football right will cash in in a 1667 01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:26.640 way that I don't think anyone's ever really dreamed of. 1668 01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:35.239 That's how fruitful and profitable this sport could be from 1669 01:19:35.319 --> 01:19:38.640 a business standpoint, even more so than it is now 1670 01:19:39.239 --> 01:19:42.239 with the right person in charge, as opposed to kicking 1671 01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:43.960 the can down the road and saying we'll deal with 1672 01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:44.359 it later. 1673 01:19:44.399 --> 01:19:47.079 Guys, later is here, Okay, deal with it now. 1674 01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:50.399 Move closer towards that pro model and do it quickly, 1675 01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:52.960 because it actually would alleviate a lot of the problems 1676 01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:57.199 that people complain about. If Matthew Sluca signed a one 1677 01:19:57.239 --> 01:20:00.239 year deal with UNLV to play quarterback, if he's sign 1678 01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:02.600 the deal, if it was in writing, we. 1679 01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:03.880 Wouldn't be dealing with this today. 1680 01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:06.199 And you nav football fans, I don't know how many 1681 01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:08.199 there are, but you want to be football fans, wouldn't 1682 01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:11.800 be bummed out because they're not historically good in football 1683 01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:14.079 suddenly he did a couple of Big twelve teams on 1684 01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:14.479 the road. 1685 01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:16.399 Vegas has them as the G five favor to make 1686 01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:16.880 the CFP. 1687 01:20:17.039 --> 01:20:18.720 You get pumped and boom, you wake up and your 1688 01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:22.800 quarterback left because of a quote unquote verbal promise that 1689 01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:26.840 was made to him. Sign a contract. You don't have 1690 01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:28.640 to worry about it. Sign a contract, don't have to 1691 01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:31.640 worry about transfers. A lot of this, a lot of 1692 01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:35.119 the issues with college football right now would be alleviated 1693 01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:36.720 instantly if you just. 1694 01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:37.880 Went to a professional model. 1695 01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:40.039 And I know it's not comfortable for a lot of you, 1696 01:20:40.159 --> 01:20:42.720 but at this point, what's your alternative, because what's happening 1697 01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:45.960 now it's just the definition of insanity. 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Come on down and say 1727 01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:19.239 what's up. It's one sixty one East, two hundred south. 1728 01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:21.239 Beautiful day, man. Come on by if you're getting off 1729 01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:23.840 work early, you want to get your Wednesday afternoon started 1730 01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:24.520 out the right way. 1731 01:22:24.760 --> 01:22:27.439 One sixty oneies, two hundred South, downtown Salt Lake. 1732 01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:32.239 All right, we're live today right downtown Salt Lake City. 1733 01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:35.199 Beer Bar is where we're at, as we are often 1734 01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:36.560 on remote. 1735 01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:39.680 One sixty twenties, two hundred South. Come on bye. 1736 01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:43.479 We've got some football replays going on, both college and pro. 1737 01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:46.119 Little fantasy football show. On my left. 1738 01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:50.199 They're doing the top fifty NHL player countdown on the 1739 01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:52.800 NHL Network, So we've got a lot going on. They've 1740 01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:55.800 got one hundred and fifty beers on tap, fifty beers 1741 01:22:55.840 --> 01:23:00.680 and cans and bottles, sage, sausages, burgers, brats, friesat Come. 1742 01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:01.640 On down and say what's up. 1743 01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:05.039 We'll talk more football now, our buddy, Dalton Wasserman Pro 1744 01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:07.760 Football Focus back on the drive, Dalton, Happy Wednesday, man, 1745 01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:08.239 How are we doing? 1746 01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:11.199 Happy Wednesday? Pretty good? I'll tell you what you mentioned. 1747 01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:13.079 All those other things on the TV there, but we're 1748 01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:14.800 squaring the hard of football season, now. 1749 01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:17.119 Aren't we Yes we are, Yes we are. 1750 01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:19.960 So I want to get your take on a situation 1751 01:23:20.079 --> 01:23:22.359 that we've discussed on the show so far, and that 1752 01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:25.800 is and this is I don't want to say I'm 1753 01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:28.319 not an alarmist. I'm not saying it's a really bad omen, 1754 01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:31.520 but it really feels like kind of a first. UNLV 1755 01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:33.399 is three and oh they've being a couple of Big 1756 01:23:33.439 --> 01:23:36.119 twelve teams. They're the Vegas favorite to represent the G 1757 01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:40.399 five and the CFP, and their starting quarterback left the 1758 01:23:40.479 --> 01:23:46.399 team this morning over a one hundred thousand dollars nil dispute. Ultimately, 1759 01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:49.399 this is a promise that Matthew Sluca and his agent 1760 01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:54.000 are claiming that an assistant coach made via a telephone call. 1761 01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:57.960 Vegas is denying that that promise was ever made. So 1762 01:23:58.199 --> 01:23:59.720 we'll get to games, We'll get to all the things 1763 01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:01.439 you want to break down. But I view this as 1764 01:24:01.439 --> 01:24:04.000 a pretty big deal, man, give me your thoughts, Dalton. 1765 01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:07.600 It's a huge deal because just on the football field, 1766 01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:10.159 Sluca was playing excellent, just like he was at Holy 1767 01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:14.600 Cross for several years, and UNLV was a legitimate threat 1768 01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:16.439 to win them mount in the West and a legitimate 1769 01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:19.479 playoff threat. And now you take you know, you bring 1770 01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:22.079 that into question now if you're starting quarterback Leaves who 1771 01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:24.439 was playing really good and to get two Power five 1772 01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:28.880 wins already over Kansas and Houston, and possibly they got 1773 01:24:28.920 --> 01:24:31.359 Syracuse coming not this week, they got a big game 1774 01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:33.640 with President State this week, but Syracuse next week at 1775 01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:36.760 Hame who with sloga, you couldn't put it past them 1776 01:24:36.760 --> 01:24:38.399 winning that game either. And if they had won that 1777 01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:40.800 game and had three Power five wins, you almost have 1778 01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:43.199 to you would have had to consider them the favorite. 1779 01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:45.520 And they still could be, maybe with Hodja Malik Williams 1780 01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:48.079 or whoever's going to play quarterback there. But it's a 1781 01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:51.000 huge deal, and it says so much about just the 1782 01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:54.159 lack of regulation and what's going on in college football 1783 01:24:54.239 --> 01:24:56.439 right now. There's so many, so many battles to be 1784 01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:59.479 fought and so many, so much gray area that just 1785 01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:02.520 has not been and handled properly so far, but by 1786 01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:06.279 just by anybody involved. There's just no oversight and no 1787 01:25:06.399 --> 01:25:09.800 regulation for this sort of thing right now. So I 1788 01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:12.680 understand certain things from both sides on this, and it's 1789 01:25:12.720 --> 01:25:15.279 hard to really it's hard to really make judgments when 1790 01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:17.359 when at a higher level that this is not the 1791 01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:19.159 first or the last time that we're going to hear 1792 01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:19.520 about this. 1793 01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:22.239 Yeah, it's certainly the first time. 1794 01:25:22.279 --> 01:25:25.159 It seems to have kind of unfolded the way that 1795 01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:27.600 it has with all the different dynamics. But yeah, I mean, 1796 01:25:27.640 --> 01:25:31.119 it's it's, it's it's a tenuous time. The product is 1797 01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:33.800 still the product which I always talk about, Saturday's in 1798 01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:35.960 the Fall still feel like Saturday's in the Fall and 1799 01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:39.840 TV ratings for college football very healthy attendance through the roof. 1800 01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:44.279 So the product itself, Dalton is still the product that 1801 01:25:44.319 --> 01:25:44.920 we all love. 1802 01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:48.840 But whoever ends up getting this thing right, whoever ends. 1803 01:25:48.760 --> 01:25:52.119 Up getting college football right? You know, the product product 1804 01:25:52.159 --> 01:25:55.920 is amazing. It's a multi billion dollar yearly revenue stream 1805 01:25:55.960 --> 01:26:00.439 business without legitimate leadership. Whoever ends up kind of this 1806 01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:02.800 thing right and studying the ship is going to be 1807 01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:05.600 looked at as some crazy hero for a long time 1808 01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:09.279 because even though the product is what drives the business, 1809 01:26:09.319 --> 01:26:11.880 which means you have an excellent business, it does badly 1810 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:13.880 need the right guys in the right seats in charge. 1811 01:26:14.840 --> 01:26:17.159 Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and a lot of that comes 1812 01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:20.800 down to, you know, at the NCAA level where they're 1813 01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:22.399 just going to have to figure out some sort of 1814 01:26:22.439 --> 01:26:25.000 solution to this, because the lines were always blurred us 1815 01:26:25.079 --> 01:26:29.359 as to whether these players were actually amateurs or semi professionals, 1816 01:26:29.399 --> 01:26:31.920 or they should be paid or what. And then eventually, 1817 01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:34.760 instead of finding a solution for all these years, it 1818 01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:37.319 just broke down and the walls came down and they said, well, 1819 01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:39.279 it's pretty much pay to play at this point, but 1820 01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:41.720 there's no rules to it, right, so, you know, and 1821 01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:43.640 for and it makes life harder for teams and for 1822 01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:45.479 coaches and to find success. 1823 01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:45.720 Right. 1824 01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:48.039 It used to be where, well, we're the program and 1825 01:26:48.079 --> 01:26:50.800 we have the notoriety, so this is where people go. 1826 01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:53.279 But you know, I can't remember we had on our 1827 01:26:53.359 --> 01:26:56.279 PFF College Football show a while back, months ago, we 1828 01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:58.479 had Mac Brown on the show, and one thing he 1829 01:26:58.520 --> 01:27:03.359 had talked about was recruiting used to be one road 1830 01:27:03.439 --> 01:27:06.479 of just battle right, high school recruiting. Now there's three. 1831 01:27:06.600 --> 01:27:10.000 There is high school recruiting, there is bringing transfers in, 1832 01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:11.880 and then there's what you have in this case of 1833 01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:15.039 keeping your own players happy and paying your own players 1834 01:27:15.119 --> 01:27:18.119 enough so they'll stay. So it's only gotten harder at 1835 01:27:18.119 --> 01:27:19.800 all levels to regulate this thing. 1836 01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:23.640 All right, let's move over to oh hello, let's fix 1837 01:27:23.680 --> 01:27:26.760 those levels. Let's move over now to some college football. 1838 01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:29.960 We'll end with a little NFL. But you know, around here, 1839 01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:33.800 Utah continues to do what Utah does, and that's win 1840 01:27:33.960 --> 01:27:36.079 games regardless of who's under center. 1841 01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:37.840 It's about that you on the helmet, not the name 1842 01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:38.399 on the back. 1843 01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:41.399 And no Camon Rising last week and still Water and 1844 01:27:41.399 --> 01:27:43.000 they still were able to get it done. Got a 1845 01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:45.880 little dicey at the end, but Utah off to a 1846 01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:49.199 four and zero starts after beating Okay, Stayton, Stillwater. 1847 01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:51.119 Where you at with our Utah this way, Daldin. 1848 01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:53.960 Look, that's a huge win because I think one of 1849 01:27:54.039 --> 01:27:56.279 the concerns for Utah for me last year was the 1850 01:27:56.359 --> 01:27:59.399 difference between kind of the home and road splits and production. 1851 01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:01.640 But it's a huge win to go and beat one 1852 01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:04.800 of the bigger contenders in the Big twelve. And Utah 1853 01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:07.479 they just look, they almost defy the metrics and the 1854 01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:09.880 analytics and stuff. They just find ways to get it 1855 01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:12.800 done right. And they played good defense, and the run 1856 01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:15.079 game works, and even without their quarterback. We saw it 1857 01:28:15.159 --> 01:28:17.640 last year with several different quarterbacks. They find a way 1858 01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:20.720 to win games. So another huge game this week with Arizona, 1859 01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:22.920 but at home, coming off a big win like that, 1860 01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:25.279 and maybe rising will be healthy this week. You have 1861 01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:26.760 to think they have an advantage here. 1862 01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:29.720 So let's stay in the Utah space for a moment. 1863 01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:32.359 Let's talk about this Arizona game. Arizona thumped them a 1864 01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:35.079 year ago and the players have all talked about it 1865 01:28:35.119 --> 01:28:36.439 a lot this week. 1866 01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:38.640 Coach who had joined the show earlier, so. 1867 01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:41.239 I asked him how much payback is on the mind, 1868 01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:44.560 and Kyle gave a Kyle coach his answer, But they're ready, 1869 01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:47.560 you know, they want to get this thing done. And Dalton, 1870 01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:51.399 I can't shake what I watched when k state it's 1871 01:28:51.399 --> 01:28:53.920 not that they beat Arizona, it's that they bullied them. 1872 01:28:54.760 --> 01:28:56.479 They bullied them in a way that Utah wants to 1873 01:28:56.479 --> 01:28:56.920 bully you. 1874 01:28:57.359 --> 01:28:59.600 I don't really have a lot of anxiety for Utah 1875 01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:00.760 football this Saturday night. 1876 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:02.359 Either are an eleven point favorite. 1877 01:29:02.600 --> 01:29:05.640 It's a late kick eight to fifteen, but it's gonna beautiful, sex, 1878 01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:06.520 seventy degrees. 1879 01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:09.000 It's gonna be an awesome night. Cannot wait. I'll be there. 1880 01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:11.680 But what should what would you say to youth fans 1881 01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:13.920 about the challenge Eliza ahead, what are your thoughts on 1882 01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:14.800 Utah Arizona. 1883 01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:17.439 No, I mean I think you should have a lot 1884 01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:20.640 of faith going into this game because Arizona look on 1885 01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:23.079 top of getting bullied like you mentioned against k State, 1886 01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:26.399 Arizona doesn't have the depth on offense like they did 1887 01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:29.359 last year. Right now, they need to find playmakers other 1888 01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:31.760 than Tetro McMillan, because he may be the best receiver 1889 01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:34.439 in the country, but their offense right now is struggling 1890 01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:37.760 to manufacture yards and points in ways that are you 1891 01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:39.760 know that go the boat where the ball goes away 1892 01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:42.920 from him. Right he accounts for a ton of their 1893 01:29:42.920 --> 01:29:45.800 receiving yards, a ton of their total yards. But last year, 1894 01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:48.000 when you look at Arizona's team, they had Jacob Powing, 1895 01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:50.399 they had Michael Wilie, they had Jonah Coleman, they had 1896 01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:52.600 other guys that were able to support them. So right 1897 01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:56.039 now the entire offense is centered around McMillan and Arizona 1898 01:29:56.079 --> 01:29:58.159 doesn't have a ton of other threats that we've seen 1899 01:29:58.199 --> 01:29:59.399 through the first three games. 1900 01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:02.720 Tell me what your impressions are of this young freshman 1901 01:30:02.840 --> 01:30:07.079 quarterback as you've watched Isaac Wilson really grow a little 1902 01:30:07.079 --> 01:30:10.039 bit over the past few weeks. You know, he was 1903 01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:13.119 able to get some run week one against SUU Southern 1904 01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:16.399 Utah because Utah was thumping him and it didn't look great. 1905 01:30:16.680 --> 01:30:20.720 And he really has from my vantage point, improved week 1906 01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:23.800 to week to week. Now, we still don't know the 1907 01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:26.520 deal with Saturday Night as far as who is under center. 1908 01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:29.960 Coach Witt on the show just about thirty minutes ago 1909 01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:32.199 said that both are going to get reps with the 1910 01:30:32.199 --> 01:30:34.760 Ones this week. I don't love that, if I'm honest, 1911 01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:36.319 I feel like, if you know who the guy is, 1912 01:30:36.359 --> 01:30:39.000 he needs all the reps with the Ones. Scott Mitchell 1913 01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:41.840 jumped on the show yesterday and talked about that very dynamic, 1914 01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:45.079 like if you're going to be the starter on Saturday, you. 1915 01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:47.359 Want the reps with the Ones all week. 1916 01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:50.399 But they're still hoping that Cameron's going to be healthy 1917 01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:53.600 on Saturday, but keeping Isaac waiting in the wings as 1918 01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:56.279 a contingency. Tell me what your impressions have been as 1919 01:30:56.319 --> 01:30:58.479 you've watched Isaac Wilson now for about three games. 1920 01:30:59.399 --> 01:31:02.159 I think you see from Isaac is he's one. He 1921 01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:04.880 looks really young, right, He looks like a young freshman 1922 01:31:04.960 --> 01:31:07.399 quarterback out there, and part of that is ball security. 1923 01:31:07.560 --> 01:31:09.960 I believe in this game. It was a three turnover 1924 01:31:10.039 --> 01:31:12.079 whethy plays I think he had in this past game, 1925 01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:14.079 and they were able to work through it and lean 1926 01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:16.560 on the run game in the defense. But ball security 1927 01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:17.960 is a must that you have to get better with. 1928 01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:20.079 You don't want to give Arizona short drives where they 1929 01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:22.239 can just get some easy access points, because that was 1930 01:31:22.239 --> 01:31:24.119 a big thing with Arizona last year. They got ahead 1931 01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:27.640 in this game. But Wilson, it's ball security. But he 1932 01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:29.560 is gutsy. I will give him that much. It's not 1933 01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:32.640 easy to start on short notice like that in such 1934 01:31:32.640 --> 01:31:35.119 a high pressure environment on the road in big games. 1935 01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:38.199 So I think it kind of it kind of goes 1936 01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:40.399 along with that correlates with the rest of the Utah 1937 01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:42.760 team where it's just like it's it's gutsy and he 1938 01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:45.159 finds a way to have enough success to win a 1939 01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:47.039 ball game. But there's definitely a lot of things he 1940 01:31:47.039 --> 01:31:47.680 could improve on. 1941 01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:51.479 So there might be a chance, Dalton, that we have 1942 01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:55.079 two really good college football teams in our state. And 1943 01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:58.840 you know, I'm not ready, at least as of now, 1944 01:31:59.479 --> 01:32:02.640 to say that BYU is a legitimate Big twelve you know, 1945 01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:07.479 conference championship contender, but Dave State clean, they're four and zero. 1946 01:32:07.760 --> 01:32:10.840 They get their first conference win as a result of 1947 01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:13.159 just a curb stomping of k State. 1948 01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:14.840 Like that game was. 1949 01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:18.159 It was crazy, it was bizarre, it was weird, but 1950 01:32:18.239 --> 01:32:21.079 it wasn't close. A lot of people in Provo say 1951 01:32:21.119 --> 01:32:23.880 that's a statement. I kind of say, that's a combination 1952 01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:29.359 of unbelievable fortune and prepared skill and Aaron Rodger capitalizing 1953 01:32:29.399 --> 01:32:32.560 on his red zone opportunities. They get touchdowns, not field goals. 1954 01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:35.479 That defense is so much better than it was a 1955 01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:37.680 year ago, year two under j Hill. 1956 01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:38.199 There d C. 1957 01:32:38.399 --> 01:32:40.479 Kalani is a guy who cut his teeth under Kyle, 1958 01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:43.840 so he knows defensive football. What are you willing to 1959 01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:47.199 say about who you believe BYU football is this year 1960 01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:47.960 as of today. 1961 01:32:49.359 --> 01:32:51.239 I gotta be honest, it's hard not to look at 1962 01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:54.000 him at least having the possibility of contending because that 1963 01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:57.199 wasn't some miracle last second field goal win, you know, 1964 01:32:57.199 --> 01:32:58.479 And I know there was a little bit of luck 1965 01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:00.800 obviously the punt return and all of that, but that 1966 01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:04.399 was a three phase beatdown and you rarely see that 1967 01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:07.399 over a team, over a Kansas State team that's very 1968 01:33:07.439 --> 01:33:11.920 fundamentally sound generally, and their defense is definitely better. Jake 1969 01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:14.640 Restloff has definitely improved from what he was last year 1970 01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:17.319 for a few starts, and I just think the overall 1971 01:33:17.399 --> 01:33:20.319 physical nature and the well rounded nature of that team. 1972 01:33:20.399 --> 01:33:23.039 If they as long as they avoid a letdown against Baylor, 1973 01:33:23.079 --> 01:33:25.239 and we saw Baylor play a fun game with Colorado 1974 01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:27.439 last week, as long as they avoid a letdown coming 1975 01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:29.399 off a big win like that, I think they could 1976 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:31.880 contend because they're very well rounded and they're very physical. 1977 01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:34.960 Before we move off the Big twelve, let me ask 1978 01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:37.760 you the question, and again, just as of today, everything 1979 01:33:37.760 --> 01:33:41.920 could change as of next Monday. How many teams do 1980 01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:45.720 you believe as of today on this Wednesday can actually 1981 01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:47.319 win this conference. 1982 01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:53.520 Let me count this out. Utah absolutely, Kansas State can. 1983 01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:55.720 They can rebound. They need a big rebound, but the 1984 01:33:56.479 --> 01:33:58.760 Kansas State can still rebound. They're not dead out of 1985 01:33:58.760 --> 01:34:03.479 it BYU if they can, if they can keep up, Look, 1986 01:34:03.520 --> 01:34:05.720 you bk State like that, you at least have a chance. 1987 01:34:05.800 --> 01:34:07.600 And I'll tell you something. I think the most fun 1988 01:34:07.640 --> 01:34:11.079 game of the week this UCF Colorado game. I'm gonna 1989 01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:12.680 be honest with you. I think this is this is 1990 01:34:12.720 --> 01:34:14.680 a bit of a pole position game. I think these 1991 01:34:14.680 --> 01:34:18.039 are two very good teams. UCF is a fourteen point favorite, 1992 01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:19.680 and I don't think it should be that wide. I 1993 01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:23.279 think people are under they're underestimating the progress being made 1994 01:34:23.279 --> 01:34:26.520 in Colorado's front seven and their run defense. If Colorado 1995 01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:29.199 goes out to Orlando and they prove they can slow 1996 01:34:29.239 --> 01:34:31.319 down a run game like UCF. You know, the last 1997 01:34:31.319 --> 01:34:33.439 two weeks they've been good but lighter run games Bailor 1998 01:34:33.479 --> 01:34:36.319 in Colorado State. If they can prove their run defenses 1999 01:34:36.319 --> 01:34:38.640 for real against UCF and come out of Orlando with 2000 01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:42.039 a win, that's a huge win for Colorado. To put 2001 01:34:42.079 --> 01:34:43.720 them on the inside track is We've got a couple 2002 01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:46.359 of teams like Kansas and West Lawn and Oklahoma State 2003 01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:49.600 who I don't think are what we expected them to be. 2004 01:34:50.479 --> 01:34:52.560 There's probably five, five or six teams in there. But 2005 01:34:52.600 --> 01:34:54.479 that Colorado UCF game is going to be a really 2006 01:34:54.479 --> 01:34:56.319 important game. For that question you just. 2007 01:34:56.319 --> 01:34:59.399 Asked, all right away from the Big twelve, but sticking 2008 01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:01.520 with a little college football for a moment, We'll end 2009 01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:04.600 with a thought or two on the pros. Last year 2010 01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:07.600 for me, Daldon I can only speak for myself. It 2011 01:35:07.720 --> 01:35:11.119 was hard to know who Michigan was because early on 2012 01:35:11.319 --> 01:35:14.479 they didn't play anybody and they were thumping everybody, and 2013 01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:16.359 a lot of people believe that they were one of 2014 01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:19.279 the best teams in the country. I just didn't really 2015 01:35:19.319 --> 01:35:21.399 see that because they weren't playing anybody. 2016 01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:23.800 Are we dealing with the same thing. 2017 01:35:23.840 --> 01:35:26.479 With Ohio State right now, because it feels like everybody's 2018 01:35:26.479 --> 01:35:29.560 talking about Texas, everybody's talking about Tennessee. 2019 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:31.079 We'll get to Georgia Bama. 2020 01:35:31.560 --> 01:35:35.880 But Ohio State, in my opinion, on paper, is as 2021 01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:38.479 stacked as any of them. But we're not talking about 2022 01:35:38.560 --> 01:35:41.039 them because all they do so far just beat up, 2023 01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:43.479 beat up dud teams. Are we kind of dealing with 2024 01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:45.600 the same dynamic this year with Ohio State as we 2025 01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:46.800 did with Michigan a year ago. 2026 01:35:47.720 --> 01:35:50.000 I think it is similar, and they have They have 2027 01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:52.199 a little more of a real challenge this week against 2028 01:35:52.199 --> 01:35:54.560 Michigan State, although I still think they should take care 2029 01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:56.640 of business. Look, we're gonna learn all we need to 2030 01:35:56.680 --> 01:35:59.199 know about Ohio State in a couple of weeks against Oregon. 2031 01:35:59.239 --> 01:36:01.800 October twelfth, they go to Oregon, they go to Austin Stadium, 2032 01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:04.039 and play Dylan Gabriel in that team. We're gonna warn 2033 01:36:04.079 --> 01:36:05.720 everything we need to know about them and then how 2034 01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:08.359 they readjust after either a win or a loss from 2035 01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:11.119 that game. You're absolutely right though. They're loaded with talent. 2036 01:36:11.159 --> 01:36:13.319 They've got a boatload of defensive talent. I think they're 2037 01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:15.199 the best pair of running backs in the country with 2038 01:36:15.239 --> 01:36:18.600 Trayvon Henderson and Quinn Shawn Judkins. The true freshman receiver 2039 01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:21.399 Jeremiah Smith is just amazing. I mean, he doesn't look 2040 01:36:21.439 --> 01:36:23.560 like a freshman at all. The question will be at 2041 01:36:23.640 --> 01:36:26.399 quarterback in Big Spot, is will Howard the guy who 2042 01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:28.359 can get him through a game like the Oregon game 2043 01:36:28.439 --> 01:36:30.640 or the Michigan game or the Big Ten title game. Right, 2044 01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:33.680 it's going to be the quarterback. But everything aside from 2045 01:36:33.680 --> 01:36:37.439 their quarterback situation looks absolutely elite and at the very least, 2046 01:36:37.560 --> 01:36:39.439 we're seeing them get through these games and take care 2047 01:36:39.479 --> 01:36:40.319 of business. 2048 01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:45.119 Tell me what what that win? If this did anything 2049 01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:47.439 for you at all? Because I actually thought Tennessee was 2050 01:36:47.439 --> 01:36:50.439 going to go down and smoke Oklahoma pretty good. I 2051 01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:52.600 just had not been impressed with it sooner so far, 2052 01:36:53.720 --> 01:36:56.479 and it wasn't as much of a lopsided game as 2053 01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:58.079 I thought it would be. They're going to be at 2054 01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:01.800 Arkansas and then home Agan's Florida before they see Bama. 2055 01:37:02.119 --> 01:37:05.720 What are you Daldon today willing to say about the 2056 01:37:05.720 --> 01:37:07.119 star that we've seen from Tennessee? 2057 01:37:07.199 --> 01:37:08.520 What? What? 2058 01:37:07.840 --> 01:37:07.880 What? 2059 01:37:08.760 --> 01:37:10.479 Cold? This act do they live in right now? 2060 01:37:11.399 --> 01:37:14.800 They absolutely should make the playoff, assuming they don't have 2061 01:37:14.840 --> 01:37:18.560 any major slip ups, and if they actually it sounds funny, 2062 01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:21.000 but they're two best players that we thought were gonna 2063 01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:23.560 be their two best players coming into the season, quarterback 2064 01:37:23.680 --> 01:37:27.800 Nico Imaalayava and edge rusher James Pierce Junior, and neither 2065 01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:30.960 one of them is dominating. Yet they are dominating with 2066 01:37:31.079 --> 01:37:33.359 the rest of the football team, with Dylan Stampson in 2067 01:37:33.399 --> 01:37:35.520 the run game, with the rest of their defensive line, 2068 01:37:35.520 --> 01:37:38.720 with the receivers. If they get those two superstars going, 2069 01:37:38.760 --> 01:37:41.520 the actual two biggest names on the team, if those 2070 01:37:41.520 --> 01:37:43.479 two guys get going at an elite level, because I 2071 01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:46.600 don't think we've seen Nico's best football yet. We've seen flashes. 2072 01:37:46.800 --> 01:37:49.640 The one touchdown throw against Oklahoma was amazing. The kids 2073 01:37:49.640 --> 01:37:51.840 got all the talent in the world. But they're actually 2074 01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:54.640 doing this with a team wide effort, and actually it 2075 01:37:54.760 --> 01:37:57.920 slipped from my preseason expectation of them, where I thought, Okay, 2076 01:37:58.119 --> 01:38:00.439 the quarterback and the star power is going to carry them. 2077 01:38:00.439 --> 01:38:03.079 But right now the depth of their team is carrying them. 2078 01:38:03.079 --> 01:38:05.600 And they're doing this, I could argue without even playing 2079 01:38:05.640 --> 01:38:08.600 their best football yet. So there's still quite a heavy 2080 01:38:08.680 --> 01:38:11.479 range of outcomes you could see with Tennessee. But they should. 2081 01:38:12.399 --> 01:38:15.640 They're very close already to being if they go ten 2082 01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:17.840 and two at least locked into the playoffs. 2083 01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:21.119 All right, let's move over to some games this weekend, 2084 01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:24.960 and let's just head on down to Tuscalusive because why 2085 01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:28.279 not where Alabama is a home underdog for the first 2086 01:38:28.279 --> 01:38:29.760 time since two thousand and seven. 2087 01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:33.239 Georgia is getting too. They're George's two point favorite. 2088 01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:36.199 And the conversation this week, Dalton, as you know, is 2089 01:38:36.279 --> 01:38:37.359 does Kirby Smart have. 2090 01:38:37.319 --> 01:38:39.840 A Bama problem? Or does he have a Nick Saban problem? 2091 01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:43.319 I mean, I watched Kaylen Debor out coach Dan Lanning 2092 01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:46.279 twice last year and I'm not saying he's Saban, but 2093 01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:49.159 you know we've seen what Kaylen de Bor can do. 2094 01:38:49.880 --> 01:38:51.600 What do you make of this matchup coming up? 2095 01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:54.600 I mean it is the conversation is, you know, does 2096 01:38:54.680 --> 01:38:57.399 Kirby Smart have a Bama problem or a Nick Saban problem? 2097 01:38:57.399 --> 01:38:58.880 How do you think Saturday is going to play out 2098 01:38:58.920 --> 01:38:59.800 down in Tuscaloosa? 2099 01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:03.079 Weok, Honestly, I think what you have is Alabama is 2100 01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:05.119 just one of the few teams that is on a 2101 01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:08.880 similar talent level to Georgia every year, right And look, 2102 01:39:08.920 --> 01:39:10.800 And I know Nick Saban was saymous for beating all 2103 01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:12.880 of his assistants, right, I think I don't remember if 2104 01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:15.359 you I think he was what he went like years 2105 01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:18.359 and years without losing to an assistant before, what Jimbo 2106 01:39:18.399 --> 01:39:20.239 Fisher did it? I think it was. I can't remember, 2107 01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:23.439 but it's I think you just have teams of such 2108 01:39:23.479 --> 01:39:26.279 similar talent that the margin of error is so small 2109 01:39:26.279 --> 01:39:30.279 in these games. Personally, I have picked Alabama to win 2110 01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:33.720 this game. I don't love what I'm seeing from Georgia's 2111 01:39:33.760 --> 01:39:36.520 passing game right now. I think I think this game 2112 01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:38.840 is going to be decided in moments when George's in 2113 01:39:38.920 --> 01:39:41.119 third and seven, third and eight, third and ten, and 2114 01:39:41.159 --> 01:39:44.560 if they can drop back in obvious passing situations and 2115 01:39:44.640 --> 01:39:46.600 make things happen. I don't love what they have going 2116 01:39:46.640 --> 01:39:48.279 on at receiver and a tight end right now. In 2117 01:39:48.319 --> 01:39:50.760 the passing game. Georgia really needs to lean on their 2118 01:39:50.800 --> 01:39:52.920 run game, lean on play action to stay in this 2119 01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:56.079 or Alabama's secondary could take over on third downs. 2120 01:39:56.640 --> 01:39:58.680 Baylor are two point favorite over BYU. 2121 01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:00.720 Let's go back there real quick, because I didn't ask 2122 01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:02.159 you about that game. How do you think it plays 2123 01:40:02.159 --> 01:40:04.199 out in Waco, ten am Mountains on kick? 2124 01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:07.720 It's very odd to me that BYU is the underdog 2125 01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:09.720 after what they just did. So I don't know if 2126 01:40:09.720 --> 01:40:13.880 somebody knows something that we don't, but BYU looked fantastic. 2127 01:40:13.920 --> 01:40:16.560 They look well rounded last week, and you know, maybe 2128 01:40:16.600 --> 01:40:18.720 it is it a letdown spot. I don't know. I 2129 01:40:18.760 --> 01:40:20.920 know it's a road game now and you know you're 2130 01:40:20.920 --> 01:40:23.960 getting away from Provo and the friendly confines there. But 2131 01:40:24.439 --> 01:40:26.600 I think BYU should win that game. I mean, I know, 2132 01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:29.439 I know Baylor played a good game with Colorado last week, 2133 01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:33.560 but they are just They're one of the lower tier 2134 01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:36.720 teams in the Big twelve, and if BYU is looking 2135 01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:39.560 to contend, this is a game to have to win 2136 01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:41.720 first of all. But I do from what I've seen 2137 01:40:41.800 --> 01:40:44.199 so far, and they've grinded through the first three games 2138 01:40:44.239 --> 01:40:46.119 and then a huge win last week. I think BYU's 2139 01:40:46.159 --> 01:40:48.079 a better football team. 2140 01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:50.000 All right, Before I say you lose, just a couple 2141 01:40:50.039 --> 01:40:52.600 of quick NFL questions. First of all, thurs in that 2142 01:40:52.720 --> 01:40:57.680 football look, I don't think the Cowboys will lose, But 2143 01:40:57.720 --> 01:41:00.479 what's the conversation sound like if the Cowboys can't beat 2144 01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:01.479 the Giants tomat night. 2145 01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:04.239 You're gonna hear, You're gonna I think you're gonna hear 2146 01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:08.079 about Mike McCarthy. I just I just think. And the 2147 01:41:08.119 --> 01:41:11.159 Giants look, they look better with Molik Neighbors. Their defensive 2148 01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:14.800 line looks great. They they they really really put a 2149 01:41:14.800 --> 01:41:16.720 good beating on the Browns the other day. The score 2150 01:41:16.840 --> 01:41:18.520 was closer than a lot of that game was because 2151 01:41:18.520 --> 01:41:21.520 they fumbled the opening kickoff. But no, this is I'm 2152 01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:23.199 in the boat where this is the must win for 2153 01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:26.680 the Cowboys or you really start questioning them. But honestly, 2154 01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:28.760 there's been a lot of talk about their run defense, 2155 01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:31.079 but they need to be better upfront on offense too, 2156 01:41:31.079 --> 01:41:32.800 And the Giants are a tough team to block with 2157 01:41:32.840 --> 01:41:35.319 guys like Dexter Lawrence and Brian Burns up front, so 2158 01:41:35.720 --> 01:41:38.880 that game could absolutely be tight. The Giants looked really 2159 01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:41.840 good against the Browns this past week, especially upfront, they 2160 01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:44.039 could cause the Cowboys issues. But I think if they 2161 01:41:44.079 --> 01:41:46.159 lose this game, you start you're gonna start hearing Mike 2162 01:41:46.239 --> 01:41:47.840 McCarthy's name in some conversations. 2163 01:41:48.479 --> 01:41:50.520 All right, but before I set you loose, let me 2164 01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:55.279 just ask the question this way. At this point, when 2165 01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:57.880 you look at the at the way that things have. 2166 01:41:57.920 --> 01:41:58.720 Have played out. 2167 01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:01.159 I mean, I talked to you when you first joined 2168 01:42:01.239 --> 01:42:05.119 us preseason that Vegas is telling us Chiefs Niners. If 2169 01:42:05.159 --> 01:42:06.920 you're gonna beat on a Super Bowl winner, bet on 2170 01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:09.479 Chiefs Niners. They're the two most elite teams by far. 2171 01:42:10.159 --> 01:42:13.960 Injuries happen, things change. Who else now lives in the 2172 01:42:13.960 --> 01:42:16.520 same neighborhood as the Chiefs and the Niners that you 2173 01:42:16.560 --> 01:42:18.800 think will be in at come February next year. 2174 01:42:20.279 --> 01:42:22.439 I think the Buffalo Bills have obviously said a great 2175 01:42:22.479 --> 01:42:24.960 three weeks, and you've got a quarterback playing the way 2176 01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:27.880 Josh Allen is playing at an MVP level, you can't 2177 01:42:27.880 --> 01:42:30.399 take the Bills out of it. I think I'll tell 2178 01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:32.880 you what I think. The Green Bay Packers getting these 2179 01:42:32.880 --> 01:42:36.079 two wins with Malik willis installing until Jordan Love can 2180 01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:38.159 get back. I think that's huge and I think that 2181 01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:40.479 shows you something about the rest of our football team. 2182 01:42:40.760 --> 01:42:43.560 I think the Packers and the Detroit Lions, and they've 2183 01:42:43.560 --> 01:42:45.600 got Minnesota spanning in front of them right now in 2184 01:42:45.640 --> 01:42:48.319 that division. You know, the Lions are starting to figure 2185 01:42:48.359 --> 01:42:49.800 some things out. They're trying to get back to their 2186 01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:52.119 roots a little bit. But I'm so impressed with these 2187 01:42:52.159 --> 01:42:54.520 team wins that the Packers have gotten the last two 2188 01:42:54.520 --> 01:42:56.479 weeks that I think they're a team in the NFC, 2189 01:42:56.560 --> 01:42:59.079 especially with the Niners. The Niners are kind of limping 2190 01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:01.720 a little bit. You've got McCaffrey. I read something that 2191 01:43:01.840 --> 01:43:04.600 he might be out till December, Javon Hardgraves out for 2192 01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:07.199 the year, and that's not a great Roaston. They just 2193 01:43:07.279 --> 01:43:08.920 had to the Rams. So I think the NFC is 2194 01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:10.199 pretty wide open, honestly. 2195 01:43:11.279 --> 01:43:14.039 All right, man, thanks for the time, great football weekend ahead. 2196 01:43:14.079 --> 01:43:15.720 Can't wait for it. We'll get you back on soon. 2197 01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:19.000 Thanks Dalton, absolutely appreciate you, all right. 2198 01:43:18.960 --> 01:43:19.720 Dalton Wasserman. 2199 01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:22.560 Sign up for the PFF Plus today to unlock all 2200 01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:26.199 of their famous player grades and premium stats, push to 2201 01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:28.560 the playoffs and your fantasy football league with an in 2202 01:43:28.720 --> 01:43:31.359 season tools, and stay connected to the next generation of 2203 01:43:31.439 --> 01:43:34.680 talent with the best NFL draft coverage on the planet. 2204 01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:37.279 No matter what you're looking for, PFF plus has what 2205 01:43:37.359 --> 01:43:40.479 you need to make winning decisions all season long. Sign 2206 01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:43.359 up for PFF plus today for less than ten dollars 2207 01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:43.840 a month. 2208 01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:48.880 We have statements. We have statements flying around. 2209 01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:52.760 Tim Buckley, the NCAA Senior vice President for External Affairs, 2210 01:43:52.840 --> 01:43:56.159 just to release the statement for the NCUBA basically saying 2211 01:43:56.159 --> 01:43:59.800 there's nothing we can do. The collective at UNLV is 2212 01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:03.760 statement as well regarding the decision by Matthew Sluca to 2213 01:44:04.479 --> 01:44:06.159 well essentially leave the program. 2214 01:44:06.199 --> 01:44:07.920 He's gonna utilize his red shirt. 2215 01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:10.760 We'll get to these statements, but our next guests, I'm 2216 01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:12.279 gonna take a little sip here. I'm gonna do a 2217 01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:15.399 little paper pop. I do not have immunity, but we 2218 01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:18.319 welcome him in. The Great Josh Pate from Josh Pat's 2219 01:44:18.319 --> 01:44:21.159 College Football Show Back on the Drive, Josh, Happy Wednesday. 2220 01:44:21.159 --> 01:44:21.800 Man, how we doing? 2221 01:44:22.920 --> 01:44:25.520 I guess I'm doing good. I thought we were gonna 2222 01:44:25.520 --> 01:44:27.159 wake up this morning. I thought I was gonna come 2223 01:44:27.199 --> 01:44:29.439 on the show a little bit later today, and I thought, man, 2224 01:44:29.479 --> 01:44:31.399 we got a big week of college football coming up. 2225 01:44:31.399 --> 01:44:34.439 And then Log Behold, we get the old UNLV bomb 2226 01:44:34.520 --> 01:44:37.960 dropping our lap and now we're talking about everything but football. 2227 01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:40.239 I'm not saying us, but in general, that's been the 2228 01:44:40.279 --> 01:44:40.920 talk all day. 2229 01:44:41.319 --> 01:44:43.399 And certainly I want to get to the games more 2230 01:44:43.439 --> 01:44:45.800 than anything else. But I do view this, Josh, to 2231 01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:48.520 be a pretty big deal because it's never happened before. 2232 01:44:48.640 --> 01:44:51.439 Now we've been talking about it all day, and I've 2233 01:44:51.439 --> 01:44:53.359 been talking about this for years. I'm sure you have 2234 01:44:53.479 --> 01:44:58.159 been too, about a product that is so incredible. Despite 2235 01:44:58.319 --> 01:45:02.920 the inability of leadership to direct the product appropriately, it's 2236 01:45:02.960 --> 01:45:06.119 still consumed at an incredibly high level where it's the 2237 01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:09.239 second most popular sport in America, only to Pro football. 2238 01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:13.479 But what is the Josh Pate take on Matthew Sluka 2239 01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:17.279 leaving ULV three and OHO start Vegas favorite as the 2240 01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:19.680 G five team to make the CFP. 2241 01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:22.399 What's your take on the decision that came down today. 2242 01:45:23.640 --> 01:45:27.520 There's probably blamed to go on both sides on the 2243 01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:31.600 immediate front, but larger it's so appropriate in the NCAA 2244 01:45:31.640 --> 01:45:35.479 steps up and says, yeah, nothing we can do. In totality, 2245 01:45:35.520 --> 01:45:37.680 this is absolutely on them. It's always been on them. 2246 01:45:37.920 --> 01:45:41.920 It's just been year after year after year, a chronic indecision, 2247 01:45:42.039 --> 01:45:44.079 lack of a spine, No one's stepping up in a 2248 01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:47.399 leadership position, and so then you get to I mean, 2249 01:45:47.439 --> 01:45:49.439 I had an NIO. I had a guy who runs 2250 01:45:49.479 --> 01:45:52.399 an NIL operation for a major program reach out today 2251 01:45:52.399 --> 01:45:56.399 and say, hey, all this is probably true, but just 2252 01:45:56.439 --> 01:46:00.279 an fyi. Our legal counsel came to us last year 2253 01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:03.600 and said, we do not advise you to enter into 2254 01:46:03.720 --> 01:46:07.680 any contractuble agreements with players. Just let it be verbaled, 2255 01:46:08.159 --> 01:46:10.560 not to mislead them, but because we don't even know 2256 01:46:10.640 --> 01:46:13.520 what's legal and what's not, so we're not even totally 2257 01:46:13.560 --> 01:46:17.000 sure how to advise you. He said, We've got similar 2258 01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:20.840 agreements with guys right now. We've got coaches that promised stuff. 2259 01:46:21.039 --> 01:46:23.159 We've got we try and track it, but we don't 2260 01:46:23.199 --> 01:46:25.920 even know. Everyone's flying by the seat of their fans. 2261 01:46:26.119 --> 01:46:29.600 Rules are never the same over a twelve month period, 2262 01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:32.640 and that's the result of people not taking action years ago. 2263 01:46:34.079 --> 01:46:35.720 Yeah, and that's the bottom line. 2264 01:46:35.920 --> 01:46:37.840 I mean, when you kick the count can down the 2265 01:46:37.920 --> 01:46:41.159 road long enough and you procrastinate long enough, it's a 2266 01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:43.960 tidal wave and you're not prepared for it. And man, 2267 01:46:44.279 --> 01:46:46.199 I don't know, it's a sport that we all love. 2268 01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:48.399 It's a sport that we all consume, but the lack 2269 01:46:48.479 --> 01:46:51.399 of leadership and oversight for years has been just ridiculous. 2270 01:46:51.399 --> 01:46:55.640 But let'spend the rest of our conversation talking about actual 2271 01:46:55.680 --> 01:46:58.640 college football, and let's start out in our footprint, Josh, 2272 01:46:58.720 --> 01:47:03.279 where we have both Utah uh and surprise surprise BYU 2273 01:47:03.560 --> 01:47:04.520 at four and oh. 2274 01:47:04.479 --> 01:47:06.800 And one and zer on conference play. We'll start with 2275 01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:07.199 the Utes. 2276 01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:10.600 They go to Stillwater, no Cameron Rising, they get it done. 2277 01:47:10.760 --> 01:47:12.720 Okay State comes back a bit at the end. It 2278 01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:15.800 was never really that close. Number ten team in the country. 2279 01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:17.800 Josh. What do you make of the Utah yout right now? 2280 01:47:18.479 --> 01:47:20.880 Yeah, that was a game where I saw the final 2281 01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:22.920 before I was able to watch the replay of the 2282 01:47:22.920 --> 01:47:25.319 game because I was at the Oklahoma Tennessee game. So 2283 01:47:25.479 --> 01:47:28.800 I see the final and I think, oh, wow, dogfight man, 2284 01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:30.720 good for Utah. I go back and watch it and 2285 01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:33.800 I realize, oh, that's the real story on this game. 2286 01:47:34.359 --> 01:47:37.199 It's a big indicator. Man, win it without Cam Rising too, 2287 01:47:37.279 --> 01:47:41.279 is a big indicator of basically what Kyle Winningham said saying, 2288 01:47:41.359 --> 01:47:44.039 of course we won our starting quarterback. But you know, 2289 01:47:44.319 --> 01:47:48.479 reading between the lines, We're not a quarterback centric team. 2290 01:47:48.600 --> 01:47:51.359 We are a program that is best when it has 2291 01:47:51.399 --> 01:47:53.399 its starting quarterback. But don't think for a second we 2292 01:47:53.439 --> 01:47:56.680 can't get the job done without him. And you can 2293 01:47:56.720 --> 01:47:59.840 say that a lot of programs say that, or less 2294 01:47:59.840 --> 01:48:02.439 of them can actually put it in practice, and they did. 2295 01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:03.079 So. 2296 01:48:03.279 --> 01:48:06.199 Now I'm interested because I mean, that was test one 2297 01:48:06.399 --> 01:48:08.680 in the Big Twelve, and now I'm really interested to 2298 01:48:08.720 --> 01:48:11.119 see you because it may very well be that we 2299 01:48:11.239 --> 01:48:13.720 just see separation between Utah and the rest of the field. 2300 01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:15.760 I still think it's too early to say that, but 2301 01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:19.399 it was a It's not a game that stood out 2302 01:48:19.399 --> 01:48:22.239 on the national radar, but I think in many ways 2303 01:48:22.239 --> 01:48:24.079 it was a statement win because they had how they 2304 01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:25.199 had to go about getting. 2305 01:48:24.920 --> 01:48:28.680 It sure, and also Mike Gunny doesn't lose in Stolewater, 2306 01:48:28.880 --> 01:48:31.640 you know, he just does not lose there very much. 2307 01:48:31.680 --> 01:48:33.319 So I think it was a really good win for 2308 01:48:33.359 --> 01:48:37.920 a team right now that is still in a pretty 2309 01:48:37.960 --> 01:48:40.520 ambiguous space about who will be under center coming up 2310 01:48:40.520 --> 01:48:41.000 this weekend. 2311 01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:42.399 My question for you, Josh is. 2312 01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:45.720 I think I still believe for you Todd to win 2313 01:48:46.039 --> 01:48:48.359 the Big Twelve, the Cameron Rising has to be under 2314 01:48:48.399 --> 01:48:50.199 center for most of the year. But I also think 2315 01:48:50.239 --> 01:48:53.600 I've seen enough from Isaac and the defense. Look, it's 2316 01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:56.239 just a classic coach with a team. It's just the 2317 01:48:56.279 --> 01:48:58.359 way Kyle's built this thing where it's about the you 2318 01:48:58.479 --> 01:49:00.239 and the helmet, not the name on the back of 2319 01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:00.880 the jersey. 2320 01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:02.800 And they they find ways. 2321 01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:05.279 To win games even if it doesn't feel like they're 2322 01:49:05.600 --> 01:49:07.359 going to be able to base off the talent or 2323 01:49:07.359 --> 01:49:11.239 skill set. But if Cameron Rising is compromised and unable 2324 01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:14.159 to play very much this year, do you still think 2325 01:49:14.239 --> 01:49:15.479 Utah can win the Big twelve? 2326 01:49:16.359 --> 01:49:16.720 Can? 2327 01:49:17.159 --> 01:49:20.079 Yeah, wouldn't be my pick, but can Yeah, they absolutely can. 2328 01:49:20.760 --> 01:49:23.760 I agree with you. Your take is basically my take 2329 01:49:24.199 --> 01:49:24.920 in the interim. 2330 01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:25.760 They can get by. 2331 01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:28.399 They obviously just prove that. I think they need him 2332 01:49:28.439 --> 01:49:31.640 long term to fulfill, you know, on their potential. But 2333 01:49:32.079 --> 01:49:33.960 I'm not about to sit here, having watched what I 2334 01:49:34.119 --> 01:49:36.600 just watched them do, and having known the profile of 2335 01:49:36.600 --> 01:49:38.439 that program for a long time, I'm not about to 2336 01:49:38.439 --> 01:49:40.319 sit here and say they can't do anything. I mean, 2337 01:49:40.319 --> 01:49:42.159 if they were playing in the SEC, I may be 2338 01:49:42.239 --> 01:49:46.399 more defenditive, but that's a conference that's it's winnable for 2339 01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:50.199 Utah just less than your percentage chances. But that's common sense. 2340 01:49:50.239 --> 01:49:52.520 Everyone knows that, so yeah, they can absolutely still do it. 2341 01:49:53.960 --> 01:49:57.119 Any I don't really have a lot of anxiety for 2342 01:49:57.239 --> 01:49:59.840 Utah coming up on Saturday night with Arizona, and to 2343 01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:03.319 k State didn't just beat them, they bullied them. Case 2344 01:50:03.319 --> 01:50:07.000 State played Arizona the way that Utah will play Arizona. 2345 01:50:07.159 --> 01:50:07.840 I'm going to. 2346 01:50:07.800 --> 01:50:10.920 Go off the premise that Isaac Wilson is under center 2347 01:50:11.079 --> 01:50:13.439 just until I see cam because we went through this 2348 01:50:14.159 --> 01:50:16.880 crazy charade a year ago every single week, so I'm 2349 01:50:16.880 --> 01:50:19.119 just kind of landing on Isaac until I see Cameron, 2350 01:50:19.159 --> 01:50:20.880 which I believe means. 2351 01:50:20.640 --> 01:50:23.079 They're going to just run it down Arizona's throat. 2352 01:50:23.359 --> 01:50:26.359 Arizona great quarterback wide receiver duo, one of the best 2353 01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:28.199 in the country, but I just don't think they have 2354 01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:30.920 the dogs in the trenches to keep up with Utah. 2355 01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:33.239 What do you think of Utah Arizona coming up on 2356 01:50:33.279 --> 01:50:34.560 Saturday night here in Salt Lake? 2357 01:50:35.239 --> 01:50:36.000 I'd agree with you. 2358 01:50:36.319 --> 01:50:38.920 I do an upset pool with one of the stations 2359 01:50:38.920 --> 01:50:41.399 I do a weekly hit on, and you always want 2360 01:50:41.399 --> 01:50:44.079 to get the dog that's big enough, but also the 2361 01:50:44.079 --> 01:50:46.000 one that you think's got a shot. And I think 2362 01:50:46.039 --> 01:50:48.479 some people are going to be tempted into looking at 2363 01:50:48.520 --> 01:50:52.359 Arizona there. I think it's terrible matchup. And like you, 2364 01:50:53.159 --> 01:50:54.880 I don't have to go too far back in the 2365 01:50:54.920 --> 01:50:58.199 memory bank to remember what can the State did to them. 2366 01:50:58.720 --> 01:51:02.920 And so yeah, crazy things have happened. It would very 2367 01:51:02.960 --> 01:51:06.560 much surprise me in lieu of like three turnovers or 2368 01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:08.880 something like that. It would surprise me if that things 2369 01:51:08.960 --> 01:51:10.399 really nip and touch in the fourth su quarter. 2370 01:51:11.039 --> 01:51:13.760 All right, let's move over to BYU, who welcomed in 2371 01:51:13.880 --> 01:51:17.000 k State to Provo and just curb stomped him. It 2372 01:51:17.039 --> 01:51:20.479 was the biggest margin of victory for a BYU football 2373 01:51:20.479 --> 01:51:23.079 team in the history of that program over a top 2374 01:51:23.159 --> 01:51:27.079 fifteen team. So Josh, for me, it was a combination 2375 01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:30.840 and just kind of a confluence of a bunch of 2376 01:51:30.880 --> 01:51:33.520 different factors. And a lot of it was good fortune, 2377 01:51:33.640 --> 01:51:36.199 a lot of it was prepared skill, and they called 2378 01:51:36.239 --> 01:51:38.000 the kill shots in the red zone when they needed 2379 01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:41.479 to to score touchdowns. And that defense is ten times 2380 01:51:41.479 --> 01:51:44.159 better than it was a year ago year two under 2381 01:51:44.239 --> 01:51:47.880 j Hill. Obviously, Klonnie cut his teeth under coach wit 2382 01:51:48.039 --> 01:51:50.159 here in Salt Lake as a defensive coordinator. But my 2383 01:51:50.239 --> 01:51:52.640 question for you is you know a lot of folks 2384 01:51:52.680 --> 01:51:54.840 around here excited. You know, do we have two big 2385 01:51:54.880 --> 01:51:58.479 twelve contenders in the state. I'm not there yet. With BYU, 2386 01:51:58.600 --> 01:52:00.800 We'll see what they do. They're at Baylor this week 2387 01:52:00.840 --> 01:52:04.119 ten am Mountain Time kick. What is Josh Pate willing 2388 01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:07.720 to say on this Wednesday about BYU's four and oh start? 2389 01:52:08.359 --> 01:52:11.199 Well, first off, I have profited off of it. I 2390 01:52:11.199 --> 01:52:13.079 will tell you that I've ridden them every single week. 2391 01:52:14.039 --> 01:52:18.359 I think that you have to when you're talking about 2392 01:52:18.359 --> 01:52:22.119 a conference title contender, you have to scrutinize the statement 2393 01:52:22.119 --> 01:52:24.399 a little bit more than if we're just trying to 2394 01:52:24.479 --> 01:52:27.079 talk a team into Bowl eligibility. Cause, if we're just 2395 01:52:27.119 --> 01:52:30.000 trying to talk about getting six good wins, Brigham Young's 2396 01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:32.720 looked that point. Okay, if we're trying to talk about 2397 01:52:32.760 --> 01:52:35.319 them in more lofty conversation, that's when you run the 2398 01:52:35.319 --> 01:52:37.600 fine two comb through them. So what I'm about to 2399 01:52:37.600 --> 01:52:40.560 say is not exclusionary. What I'm about to say is 2400 01:52:40.600 --> 01:52:43.560 more conditional. When you go back, for example, on the 2401 01:52:43.640 --> 01:52:47.159 Kansas State game, it is very rare that you beat 2402 01:52:47.199 --> 01:52:50.560 someone by four scores and they outgain you by one 2403 01:52:50.600 --> 01:52:52.279 hundred yards. But it was just the way the game 2404 01:52:52.319 --> 01:52:55.239 played out. So that means nothing more than what I 2405 01:52:55.439 --> 01:52:58.680 just said. It counts as a win, it's a conference win. 2406 01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:03.520 If we're talking about future predictability, a lot of times 2407 01:53:03.560 --> 01:53:06.439 what you learn is those kinds of results you throw 2408 01:53:06.479 --> 01:53:09.119 them out, not because they don't count, you throw them 2409 01:53:09.119 --> 01:53:10.840 out as it relates to trying to figure out what 2410 01:53:10.880 --> 01:53:13.840 you're gonna do down the road. That is why, for example, 2411 01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:17.000 in odds making World, Brigham Young is a three and 2412 01:53:17.039 --> 01:53:19.479 a half point dog at Baylor this weekend. That would 2413 01:53:19.520 --> 01:53:22.119 otherwise make no sense. Kansas State wouldn't be a dog 2414 01:53:22.199 --> 01:53:24.680 against Baylor, But yet Brigham Young is why is that? Well, 2415 01:53:24.760 --> 01:53:28.319 that's an odds maker world telling you. We saw the result, 2416 01:53:28.439 --> 01:53:30.239 we just don't necessarily think it bakes them very well 2417 01:53:30.239 --> 01:53:33.359 in a predictive model. So all that means, all that 2418 01:53:33.439 --> 01:53:36.039 jargon means is Brigham Young just has to keep proving 2419 01:53:36.079 --> 01:53:38.399 people wrong. I haven't bought into him as a Big 2420 01:53:38.439 --> 01:53:41.479 twelve title contender yet. Okay, but I've been wrong before. 2421 01:53:41.520 --> 01:53:43.199 So all that means is, you just go keep proving 2422 01:53:43.199 --> 01:53:43.800 people wrong, you. 2423 01:53:43.760 --> 01:53:44.399 Just keep playing. 2424 01:53:45.760 --> 01:53:47.439 Yeah, well, well said, well said? 2425 01:53:47.479 --> 01:53:50.479 All right, one more Big twelve question then, of course 2426 01:53:50.520 --> 01:53:53.319 there are some massive games this weekend. Your pod that 2427 01:53:53.359 --> 01:53:55.960 you released earlier was really, really good, so I did 2428 01:53:55.960 --> 01:53:58.720 want to do a little Georgia Bama. How many teams, Josh, 2429 01:53:58.720 --> 01:54:01.159 it's you know, we're coming up now now on five 2430 01:54:01.159 --> 01:54:03.680 weeks of college football. How many teams do you really 2431 01:54:03.720 --> 01:54:05.760 think legitimately can win the Big twelve? 2432 01:54:07.119 --> 01:54:10.720 Oh, buddy, half a dozen or more? If you just 2433 01:54:10.760 --> 01:54:14.239 started rattling them off, there aren't There still aren't a 2434 01:54:14.359 --> 01:54:17.760 ton of no's. Ironically, I'm going to tell you this now, 2435 01:54:18.439 --> 01:54:21.880 I've got serious doubts about Oklahoma State. Mathematically they're still 2436 01:54:21.880 --> 01:54:24.359 in it, but I've got serious doubts because everything I 2437 01:54:24.359 --> 01:54:26.239 thought would be a strength about that team is not. 2438 01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:30.439 Utah's obviously there, Kansas State's still there. My Iowa State 2439 01:54:30.479 --> 01:54:33.680 Cyclones are in there. Iowa State one of the most 2440 01:54:33.680 --> 01:54:37.399 interesting teams to me because they've got good pieces, they're veteran. 2441 01:54:37.840 --> 01:54:40.520 It's kind of a Spike Yer for Matt Campbell. So 2442 01:54:41.119 --> 01:54:45.359 Kansas out of it, I think, not mathematically, but realistically, 2443 01:54:45.800 --> 01:54:48.439 want to see what TCU is able to do. I 2444 01:54:48.520 --> 01:54:49.880 want to see if they're able to turn it on. 2445 01:54:50.079 --> 01:54:52.359 So we've shortened the list a little bit, but there's 2446 01:54:52.359 --> 01:54:54.479 still quite a few of them that I would. 2447 01:54:54.239 --> 01:54:55.960 Their contenders for sure. 2448 01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:57.960 All Right, moving off the big twelve, let's talk some 2449 01:54:57.960 --> 01:55:02.600 big picture college football here. Last year it was tough. 2450 01:55:02.960 --> 01:55:05.319 I kept hearing a lot of really smart football people 2451 01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:09.159 who I respected saying that Michigan was among, if not 2452 01:55:09.239 --> 01:55:11.640 the best team in the country, but the first month 2453 01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:14.239 of the season they just beat up on dog teams, 2454 01:55:14.279 --> 01:55:16.880 and so it was hard to really cooperate that statement. 2455 01:55:17.560 --> 01:55:20.119 Are we dealing with the same situation with the buck 2456 01:55:20.159 --> 01:55:22.920 Eys with Ohio State, who a lot of people think 2457 01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:24.840 potentially the best team in the country, but we just 2458 01:55:24.920 --> 01:55:28.079 don't over the first month have a great matchup test. 2459 01:55:28.520 --> 01:55:30.479 Is that kind of a similar thing that we're dealing 2460 01:55:30.520 --> 01:55:33.000 with Michigan a year ago Ohio State this year? 2461 01:55:33.600 --> 01:55:34.039 It could be. 2462 01:55:34.640 --> 01:55:38.119 Yeah, I try and figure out as much as I 2463 01:55:38.119 --> 01:55:40.880 can about a team in the preseason, and if I 2464 01:55:40.960 --> 01:55:43.439 think you're good, you're gonna get benefit of the doubt 2465 01:55:43.479 --> 01:55:46.359 with me until you play quality competition. Same way, if 2466 01:55:46.399 --> 01:55:48.479 I don't think you're good, you go beat a bunch 2467 01:55:48.520 --> 01:55:51.520 of teams. You haven't proven anything to me until you 2468 01:55:51.560 --> 01:55:54.840 beat quality competition. So is that bias is that fair. 2469 01:55:54.920 --> 01:55:57.920 I don't know. It doesn't matter, but I'm there with 2470 01:55:57.960 --> 01:56:02.800 Ohio State right now. I've watched them. I think it's 2471 01:56:02.840 --> 01:56:05.800 a really good defense. It may be one of, if 2472 01:56:05.840 --> 01:56:07.920 not the best defenses in the country. I think people 2473 01:56:07.920 --> 01:56:10.600 are painting it to be this impenetrable force. 2474 01:56:10.359 --> 01:56:11.399 And not quite. 2475 01:56:11.479 --> 01:56:14.039 That's just a bunch of really good players, so someone 2476 01:56:14.079 --> 01:56:16.800 will score on them eventually. I also don't know that 2477 01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:20.359 the verticality is there in their past game with Will Howard, 2478 01:56:20.399 --> 01:56:22.119 which is not a shot because it wasn't there when 2479 01:56:22.119 --> 01:56:25.000 he was at Kansas State. So they're I mean, they're 2480 01:56:25.039 --> 01:56:27.239 gonna have flaws, just like any other team does. They're 2481 01:56:27.279 --> 01:56:31.359 a really good team. I haven't necessarily changed my opinion 2482 01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:35.279 defaulting off what I thought about in preseason. But if 2483 01:56:35.319 --> 01:56:37.319 someone does think that, I could understand why. 2484 01:56:38.560 --> 01:56:42.319 All Right, you were at Memorial in Norman, Oklahoma, and 2485 01:56:42.359 --> 01:56:46.399 it feels like most everybody now is on this Tennessee 2486 01:56:46.479 --> 01:56:49.640 hype train. I've heard a few people, maybe hot take artists, 2487 01:56:49.680 --> 01:56:51.680 say that they can win the national championship. 2488 01:56:52.079 --> 01:56:55.319 You've seen it up close. What's what you the same question? 2489 01:56:55.399 --> 01:56:58.359 What are you willing Josh to say today about Tennessee 2490 01:56:58.439 --> 01:56:59.520 After seeing them up close. 2491 01:57:00.279 --> 01:57:03.159 Well, they're in that conversation. I mean, I'm gonna obviously 2492 01:57:03.199 --> 01:57:05.840 stop well short of saying they're my pick, but they 2493 01:57:05.840 --> 01:57:07.880 are in the conversation. They have not been there before. 2494 01:57:08.039 --> 01:57:09.520 This is the first time they will have been there. 2495 01:57:10.079 --> 01:57:12.920 Big difference in this team in the twenty twenty two 2496 01:57:12.960 --> 01:57:16.239 team is obviously defensively they're at different level, But I 2497 01:57:16.319 --> 01:57:19.119 just want to point out to people athletically they're a 2498 01:57:19.119 --> 01:57:21.520 different caliber. They had the number one scoring offense in 2499 01:57:21.560 --> 01:57:24.159 twenty twenty two. They had to win against Bama. Everyone 2500 01:57:24.199 --> 01:57:26.000 forgets they went down to Georgia a couple of weeks 2501 01:57:26.039 --> 01:57:28.439 later as the number one team in the country and 2502 01:57:28.520 --> 01:57:32.479 they were not competitive physically. So they are this year. 2503 01:57:32.520 --> 01:57:36.079 And it's ironic because they get Bama and Kneeland again 2504 01:57:36.119 --> 01:57:38.680 this year, and they go to Athens to face Georgia 2505 01:57:38.720 --> 01:57:41.760 again this year. That trip to Georgia is the one 2506 01:57:41.760 --> 01:57:44.079 I have circled. That's the one I am most intrigued 2507 01:57:44.079 --> 01:57:46.920 by because I think the athletic and physical profile and 2508 01:57:47.039 --> 01:57:51.239 depth profile of that team matches Georgia a whole lot 2509 01:57:51.319 --> 01:57:54.000 more readily than it did two years ago. I have 2510 01:57:54.159 --> 01:57:56.920 seen Texics in person. I'll see Bama Georgia this weekend. 2511 01:57:56.960 --> 01:58:00.560 I've seen Tennessee. The Tennessee's not really taken back seat 2512 01:58:00.600 --> 01:58:04.399 to those teams. They may they may not quite be, 2513 01:58:05.079 --> 01:58:07.640 you know, shot for shot recruiting wise, what Georgia and 2514 01:58:07.640 --> 01:58:10.000 Alabama have been, but they are they are not miles 2515 01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:12.439 away at all, and they can absolutely compete with them. 2516 01:58:12.439 --> 01:58:14.680 And it would not shot me at all to see 2517 01:58:14.680 --> 01:58:17.720 them in that final four national title game kind of conversation. 2518 01:58:18.760 --> 01:58:21.359 All right, as you reference, you'll be in Tuscaloosa first 2519 01:58:21.359 --> 01:58:23.920 time since O seven, dam is an underdog at home. 2520 01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:27.800 George's a two point favorite. The eyes of the college 2521 01:58:27.800 --> 01:58:29.680 football world are gonna be on this game. Man, It's 2522 01:58:29.720 --> 01:58:33.159 gonna be massive five thirty times. So what's the take? 2523 01:58:33.399 --> 01:58:35.760 How does this play out? And kind of set the scene? 2524 01:58:35.760 --> 01:58:36.920 What do you think it's going to be like down 2525 01:58:36.960 --> 01:58:38.199 there at Brian Denny Stadium. 2526 01:58:38.920 --> 01:58:41.079 It's gonna be one of the best environments of the year. 2527 01:58:41.520 --> 01:58:43.600 Keep keep I got I got a buddy who's more 2528 01:58:43.600 --> 01:58:46.000 a pro football fan, he's kind of gotten into college football, 2529 01:58:46.279 --> 01:58:49.279 and I try and tell people like that this setting, 2530 01:58:49.439 --> 01:58:52.520 this kind of game is bigger in its scale than 2531 01:58:53.479 --> 01:58:56.319 the college football playoff games and national title games, which 2532 01:58:56.319 --> 01:58:57.960 is not the way it is in the NFL. You 2533 01:58:58.000 --> 01:59:00.239 won't mind a better environment than this kind of game 2534 01:59:00.239 --> 01:59:01.800 in the regular season. I don't care what the playoff 2535 01:59:01.840 --> 01:59:04.399 or national title game does for you. I am really 2536 01:59:04.399 --> 01:59:06.319 interested to see what Bama can do running the ball. 2537 01:59:06.600 --> 01:59:08.640 I think they'll have a fair amount of success running 2538 01:59:08.640 --> 01:59:12.239 against Georgia. Georgia is getting some guys back in their 2539 01:59:12.279 --> 01:59:14.920 defensive front, but even getting those guys back, they are 2540 01:59:14.960 --> 01:59:19.039 not that vintage, you know, elite run stopping unit. They're 2541 01:59:19.159 --> 01:59:21.960 just pretty good by Georgia's standards, which is still great 2542 01:59:21.960 --> 01:59:25.199 by normal standards, but you had the Jaln Milroe mobility 2543 01:59:25.199 --> 01:59:27.279 effect in there as well. I think they'll be able 2544 01:59:27.279 --> 01:59:29.720 to do some business on the ground. They've got one 2545 01:59:29.720 --> 01:59:31.479 of the best young receivers in the country and Ryan 2546 01:59:31.479 --> 01:59:34.439 Williams scores virtually every time he touches the balls. But 2547 01:59:34.520 --> 01:59:37.640 I want to know where does the explosivity come from 2548 01:59:37.720 --> 01:59:40.800 in Georgia's offense. Because you haven't seen it so far 2549 01:59:40.840 --> 01:59:44.000 this year, that doesn't mean it's not there. It's a big, 2550 01:59:44.039 --> 01:59:46.840 big point to make. It's week four, it's week five, 2551 01:59:46.880 --> 01:59:48.920 it's weak six. Like that point in the season, every 2552 01:59:48.920 --> 01:59:51.720 single year, you see some guys start to pop that 2553 01:59:51.840 --> 01:59:54.600 didn't necessarily show up right out of the gate. And 2554 01:59:55.119 --> 01:59:56.760 I don't know who it's going to be, maybe for 2555 01:59:56.880 --> 01:59:58.960 either one of these teams, but I think someone or 2556 01:59:59.000 --> 02:00:01.359 a couple of someone's step up in this game that 2557 02:00:01.399 --> 02:00:03.640 aren't on the marquee pregame that end up deciding it. 2558 02:00:04.680 --> 02:00:06.600 All Right, Josh, before I say you loose, we got 2559 02:00:06.600 --> 02:00:09.520 to revisit a conversation we had maybe two months ago, 2560 02:00:10.199 --> 02:00:13.000 I think it was prior to the season starting, because 2561 02:00:13.039 --> 02:00:16.119 I asked you, as your star rises, you know you're 2562 02:00:16.119 --> 02:00:18.079 gonna be able to go around to all these places 2563 02:00:18.159 --> 02:00:20.159 see a lot of great robbery games. And I asked 2564 02:00:20.159 --> 02:00:23.640 you if you were overly familiar with Utah BYU in 2565 02:00:23.680 --> 02:00:25.760 the Holy War that takes place out here. And we 2566 02:00:25.840 --> 02:00:29.640 talked about if things fall into place, could we see 2567 02:00:29.640 --> 02:00:32.640 a Josh Pate siding here in Salt Lake City on 2568 02:00:32.680 --> 02:00:34.920 November the ninth. So I'm going to hold your feet 2569 02:00:34.960 --> 02:00:38.039 to the fire and say that if over the next 2570 02:00:38.079 --> 02:00:40.119 four weeks, because they both are gonna have a buye 2571 02:00:40.119 --> 02:00:44.439 as well, both Utah and BYU intern November ninth at 2572 02:00:44.479 --> 02:00:48.039 eight and oh and Utah will They're already a top 2573 02:00:48.079 --> 02:00:49.960 ten team. If they win their next four games, it 2574 02:00:50.039 --> 02:00:52.600 might be top six or seven BYUS creeping up towards 2575 02:00:52.600 --> 02:00:55.560 that top ten if they handle their business. Can I 2576 02:00:55.640 --> 02:01:01.039 get a at least a loose option of considering the 2577 02:01:01.119 --> 02:01:03.960 Josh Pate Show rolling into Salt Lake for Utah B 2578 02:01:04.159 --> 02:01:06.359 y U November ninth, if both teams are undefeated. 2579 02:01:06.880 --> 02:01:09.960 Yes, yes, I'm ready to commit verbally that that is 2580 02:01:10.000 --> 02:01:13.159 on the radar I'm looking for right now. Yes, that's 2581 02:01:13.199 --> 02:01:13.680 on the radar. 2582 02:01:14.800 --> 02:01:16.520 I feel like I need this in writing based off 2583 02:01:16.560 --> 02:01:22.680 the news that happened in UNLB today. Oh man, All good, buddy, Hey, 2584 02:01:22.680 --> 02:01:24.399 thanks for the time. Keep up the great working with 2585 02:01:24.520 --> 02:01:24.840 chat too. 2586 02:01:25.479 --> 02:01:26.520 Appreciate it, guys. 2587 02:01:27.560 --> 02:01:28.880 All right, the great Josh Pate. 2588 02:01:28.920 --> 02:01:32.119 Get him on Twitter at Josh Pate CFB, host of 2589 02:01:32.159 --> 02:01:33.800 the Josh pay College Football Show. 2590 02:01:34.319 --> 02:01:36.520 I always appreciate his time on this Wednesday