Speaker 1: I want to go into some of these.
Speaker 2: Head coaching I don't know, rumors, whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call it, because I get asked about this stuff all
Speaker 2: the time. Where do I think these guys are gonna go?
Speaker 2: Who's in consideration for these jobs? Those kinds of things,
Speaker 2: And it's early in the process. You know, guys still
Speaker 2: have a chance to wow in the interview. And if
Speaker 2: you don't think that wowing in the interview matters, let
Speaker 2: me tell you about a little guyamed Vance Joseph. The
Speaker 2: Advanced Joseph so wowed the Broncos when he came in
Speaker 2: to interview back then. He was a position coach with Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: came to interview with Gary Kubiak's staff, and Cincinnati at
Speaker 2: the time blocked the.
Speaker 1: Move for him to become the Broncos defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Back then, you could do that. In fact, that was
Speaker 2: one of the impetus in changing the rule about blocking
Speaker 2: promotions in the NFL that you could absolutely wow in
Speaker 2: the interview and it can change the perspective of an organization.
Speaker 2: Nate Hackett wild in the interview. If you want an
Speaker 2: example of a negative that wowed in the interview that
Speaker 2: didn't work out, Nate Hackett wowed in the interview, and
Speaker 2: you know, I think kind of pushed them off of
Speaker 2: the three other candidates that they were very big on,
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn, Kevin O'Connell and John gannon, oll of who
Speaker 2: ultimately got head coaching jobs elsewhere in other cycles.
Speaker 1: O'Connell of course.
Speaker 2: With the Vikings who had a great season, John gannon
Speaker 2: with Arizona who he's elevated that franchise, and Dan Quinn,
Speaker 2: who we all know is in the playoffs with the
Speaker 2: Washington Commanders. So it can go both ways. It can
Speaker 2: go both ways when you're you know, when you're talking
Speaker 2: about that process. I think that with regard to and
Speaker 2: let's start with New England, with regard to their coaching situation,
Speaker 2: I think they're on Ben Jonson or Mike Frabel.
Speaker 1: I think they know they've got one or the other
Speaker 1: in the bag.
Speaker 2: And as part of the reason they made the move,
Speaker 2: which you're odd, Mayo, you know, mal Well, he was
Speaker 2: just he was just staying over his head. And that's
Speaker 2: not to say that you can't get better. I mean
Speaker 2: most coaches get better the second time around. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: think back to I remember when Rahie Morris took over
Speaker 2: in Tampa and they had some you know, smartly success
Speaker 2: or whatever. But he was in over his head too.
Speaker 2: He's way too young to be doing what he was doing.
Speaker 2: And there's some guys that can handle it, in most
Speaker 2: that can't. And Sean McVay is the exception, not the
Speaker 2: rule and getting a job that young. As far as
Speaker 2: as far as New England goes, I do I believe
Speaker 2: that it's it's Ben Johnson or Mike Rabel.
Speaker 1: I don't really believe that there's I mean, they'll go through.
Speaker 2: The process and obviously, with respect to the Rooney Rule,
Speaker 2: they'll have to do certain things. But I believe that
Speaker 2: that's the direction that they're headed. And I tend to
Speaker 2: lean on Mike Rabel getting the job because I suspect
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson will go elsewhere. You know, we talked about
Speaker 2: wowing in the interview. You can also blow it in
Speaker 2: the interview. You you know, Ben Johnson, I would. I
Speaker 2: think he's going to be a fine head coach. He's
Speaker 2: just not the world's greatest interviewer. There have been some
Speaker 2: notes from people, you know, after you've an interview before.
Speaker 2: He's not the world's greatest interviewer. Some guys are bad
Speaker 2: interviewers and would make bad coaches. But I think he'll
Speaker 2: be a fine head coach. I just don't think he's
Speaker 2: polished in the art of the interview, which is his
Speaker 2: own thing, especially when you're talking to guys that are owners,
Speaker 2: because typically when you're an owner of the NFL team,
Speaker 2: you're probably a billionaire. You're probably somebody who's been heavily
Speaker 2: involved in the business world, and it's it's just a
Speaker 2: different style and process and and vernacular and jingoism that
Speaker 2: you don't have. There's a disconnect between football and the
Speaker 2: business world and in a sense of the way that
Speaker 2: you talk, and so you know, I think that there
Speaker 2: are guys who are slick talkers that can speak that
Speaker 2: language or speak that lingo and understand how to how
Speaker 2: to speak to those guys and wind up in jobs
Speaker 2: that they probably shouldn't get. Their guys that don't do
Speaker 2: the best job with that and don't get those jobs.
Speaker 1: Sometimes.
Speaker 2: With regard to the New York Jets, that's the one
Speaker 2: that's the biggest question mark to me. I think they're
Speaker 2: casting the widest net.
Speaker 1: I sort of think they have to because I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how desirable that job is.
Speaker 2: You got a mess. You got to figure out your
Speaker 2: Rogers situation. You just you have a mess.
Speaker 1: You have a mess of a culture that's been a
Speaker 1: mess of a culture for a while. You fired.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows that they fire Robert sala instead of giving
Speaker 2: him the opportunity to turn it around this year.
Speaker 1: And what a huge mistake that was.
Speaker 2: Everybody around the league knows that fans were done with
Speaker 2: solid But I mean, you know, you make decisions based
Speaker 2: on what the fans want.
Speaker 1: You're going to continue being terrible.
Speaker 2: Robert Salaz should have had the opportunity to turn that
Speaker 2: team around this year and didn't get it. You know,
Speaker 2: they weren't particularly bad in the first couple of games.
Speaker 2: They just they just had some bad luck and wound up,
Speaker 2: you know, wound up just throw it away the season,
Speaker 2: essentially putting Oulberg in there in an untenable situation. The offense,
Speaker 2: they moved from Nate Hackett Todd Downing, which was stupid.
Speaker 2: I mean, both neither of those guys are great offensive coordinators,
Speaker 2: but that might be the one. It was a downgrade.
Speaker 2: Al Loggins wasn't available to really shift that thing all
Speaker 2: the way down. That's the one I have the biggest
Speaker 2: question Mark saw some of these others are fairly clear.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, in Chicago, I think they want
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: I would say that the person that maybe the most
Speaker 2: skeptical might be the guy who's making the decision there
Speaker 2: in Ryan Poles. And we'll see how that goes, because
Speaker 2: I think Ben Johnson has made it clear that he
Speaker 2: wants a unity of vision from ownership general manager himself,
Speaker 2: and that is that he wants a general manager who's
Speaker 2: basically going to.
Speaker 1: Do what he asks.
Speaker 2: He wants a guy who's like, I need you to
Speaker 2: go get this, figure out a way to go get this,
Speaker 2: and there's nothing to be said for that. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's sort of in the end the relationship that Sean
Speaker 2: Payton and George Peyton have sort of come into, and
Speaker 2: it really caters to both their skill sets. I said
Speaker 2: earlier the show, I think that, you know, Sean Payton
Speaker 2: causes George to be a little bit more aggressive, and
Speaker 2: George Peyton rains Sean Payton in when is when he
Speaker 2: would otherwise be too aggressive. And you go back and
Speaker 2: look at the Saint situation, some of the things that
Speaker 2: they did, they were too aggressive with those kinds of things.
Speaker 2: Then the state situation, which is up for grabs. I
Speaker 2: think that's one of the toughest jobs out there. You're
Speaker 2: you're facing an entire rebuild in overhaul, You're at a
Speaker 2: cap hell.
Speaker 1: You got to figure that situation out.
Speaker 2: You don't have a ton of contracts that are really
Speaker 2: malleable in terms of being able to alleviate that. I
Speaker 2: believe they'll offer that job to Aaron Glenn. I think
Speaker 2: he's the favorite for it in New Orleans, and we'll
Speaker 2: see if he takes it. I think he would be
Speaker 2: in contention for the New York Jets' job as well.
Speaker 2: You've got the Jacksonville job, which you know, I personally
Speaker 2: think that Ben Johnson is the apple their eye. And
Speaker 2: it's interesting to me because they've not fired Trent Balki,
Speaker 2: but people are freaking out if they didn't do it that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they haven't fired him yet.
Speaker 2: They're gonna go through this process and they're gonna talk
Speaker 2: to these head coaches. Ja Shaan Cod's gonna give them
Speaker 2: if he finds a guy and he's convinced that it's
Speaker 2: the guy, and they say they got to get rid
Speaker 2: of Trent Bualkiy and get their own guy, and they'll.
Speaker 1: They'll punt on Trent Balkey.
Speaker 2: They just they need a general manager in there right
Speaker 2: now running operations. All the other coaching searches have that, So,
Speaker 2: you know, I think Ben Johnson, with the apple of
Speaker 2: their eye, I do believe that they'll Leam Cohen will
Speaker 2: get strong consideration there. And then there's an outside shot
Speaker 2: that that you go the Pete Carroll route and you know,
Speaker 2: put the band back together. There's obviously a lot of
Speaker 2: connections there at Jacksonville. I think the fans would probably
Speaker 2: groan if they heard this, But you know, guys like
Speaker 2: Daryl Bevell and Robert Sala and Gus Bradley and all
Speaker 2: those guys that Carol would bring and put on the
Speaker 2: staff in various positions.
Speaker 1: All those guests have been there before.
Speaker 2: There's plenty of connection to that Jacksonville Jaguars, you know,
Speaker 2: think with that. So I would not be surprised if
Speaker 2: that was like a dark horse lurking out there. Get
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll in there to stabilize the culture. And I
Speaker 2: don't particularly think that's a bad move. I think that
Speaker 2: Liam Cohen is the wild card there in the sense
Speaker 2: that you bring it in, you know, another king Maker
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield offensive coordinator, and you don't really know you
Speaker 2: know what you're getting in terms of head coach, what
Speaker 2: he what he brings the head coach. But you've got
Speaker 2: to stabilize that thing that the Doug Peterson thing didn't
Speaker 2: work and it's just for whatever reason, kept getting worse.
Speaker 1: And you've got a quarterback there.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's a situation where you you've got
Speaker 2: something you've got the bones to build around.
Speaker 1: Might be a two year project.
Speaker 2: But but a guy like Pete Carroll, I mean, if you've
Speaker 2: got to go somewhere, you know, why not. And the
Speaker 2: question of whether some of these other jobs going to
Speaker 2: open up, we thought we do know about the Colts
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. I think there are some guys that they'll
Speaker 2: look at there. I think I think Chris Grris, not
Speaker 2: the former player, we'll get, uh, we'll get a look.
Speaker 2: I think Jim Leonard will get a look. I made
Speaker 2: I made a crack earlier today. I think people took
Speaker 2: it serious about John Paganna, our buddy figure of which
Speaker 2: I texted coach bags earlier.
Speaker 1: It made a crack about.
Speaker 2: Him, you know, potentially getting jobs because his brother Chuck
Speaker 2: was the head coach there, and there's kind of a
Speaker 2: running joke in Indy that Chuck Pagotnall ran the cover
Speaker 2: who defense, But you know, I don't. I don't know,
Speaker 2: and you know I didn't ask him because I didn't
Speaker 2: want to. You know, I wouldn't put him on the
Speaker 2: spot as far as that goes, But I you know
Speaker 2: it maybe that he would get the defensive coordinators, which
Speaker 2: I mean he coach PAGs has been a defensive coordinator there.
Speaker 2: He did a fine job with the Raiders stepping in
Speaker 2: there for for Ken Norton and all that. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's been a fine defense coordator before. He absolutely deserves
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator consideration. For whatever reason, his name is floated
Speaker 2: around there as being very hot, obviously contributing to Washington commanders.
Speaker 2: And they run this year, and then there's questions about
Speaker 2: if other jobs are going to open. The Giants job.
Speaker 2: I've been telling everybody this the whole time. I never
Speaker 2: thought that was gonna open. I still don't think it's
Speaker 2: gonna open. I do believe they're running it back. Jim
Speaker 2: what's his name, Mara John Morrow said said pretty much
Speaker 2: that today. I do believe that they'll be on the
Speaker 2: hunt for a bridge quarterback, a guy like Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: That they can bring in.
Speaker 2: And then I don't know that they'll go rookie right
Speaker 2: there at the top with the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: They might go somewhere else and then come back and
Speaker 1: get a quarterback later.
Speaker 2: You could probably get Carson Wentz as a bridge to
Speaker 2: a Quinn yours and come away looking pretty all right.
Speaker 2: They've got the bare bones with some pieces. Really, what
Speaker 2: they need to be doing is fixing that offensive line.
Speaker 2: The Giants fixing that offensive line. They've got skill position players.
Speaker 2: Tyrold Tracy is nice. We all know how much I
Speaker 2: love Molique Neighbors. You got Wandale Robinson, Clayton. They've got players,
Speaker 2: They've got skill position players. The question is the offensive
Speaker 2: line there. But I do believe they running it back
Speaker 2: with Shane and Brian Dabele, and I you know, I
Speaker 2: think that was the plan all along. The question really,
Speaker 2: I think as far as jobs pop it open, is
Speaker 2: the potential the Raiders job popping open, and that would
Speaker 2: the interest to me because I think if Ben Johnson
Speaker 2: takes the Patriots, Mike Rabel would be somebody that would
Speaker 2: be in line for that Raider's job. There's obviously the
Speaker 2: Tom Brady connection everybody likes to point out, but I
Speaker 2: believe that Mike Vrabel would be somebody who would be
Speaker 2: in line for that. The question is who would be
Speaker 2: his offensive coordinator, because if Rabel does take the New
Speaker 2: England job, you know, you could break Josh McDaniels, put
Speaker 2: the band back together, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: You can't break Josh McDaniels back to Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because the Raiders kind of clean house
Speaker 2: on that Patriots culture kind of thing. Vrabel's kind of
Speaker 2: been the one guy from that that's been successful.
Speaker 1: And stood apart from it.
Speaker 2: But Rabel's picks of offensive coordinators, you know, Arthur Smith
Speaker 2: was the most successful.
Speaker 1: He's up there in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're I don't think he's making a
Speaker 2: lateral move, and I certainly don't think Pittburgh getting ready him.
Speaker 2: And you know Todd Downing, he bringing it. Todd Downing
Speaker 2: was a disaster, which the Raiders already know. They they've
Speaker 2: dealt with offensive quardator Todd Downing before. So it'd be
Speaker 2: interesting to see maybe he brings in like Tommy Reese
Speaker 2: or somebody like that, and then that brings you to
Speaker 2: the Bears.
Speaker 1: And there's a skins him there because you know you've
Speaker 1: got Ryan Poles the general manager.
Speaker 2: You hire Ben Johnson, You are you hiring a guy
Speaker 2: that's gonna put you out of a job.
Speaker 1: How organization the aligned are you in that regard?
Speaker 2: And I do believe that Vrabel would be in play
Speaker 2: there for for Chicago as well.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think much of these are set
Speaker 1: in stone.
Speaker 2: I think there's kind of a waiting for the Ben
Speaker 2: Johnson domino to fall, the Mike Rabel domino to fall,
Speaker 2: that everything else kind of goes in there. I think
Speaker 2: New Orleans is the one team that's kind of apart
Speaker 2: from that, and I think Aaron Glenn is probably gonna
Speaker 2: wind up with the job there. But it's fascinating to
Speaker 2: watch as this thing sort of kicks off. I'll put
Speaker 2: together like an official guess.
Speaker 1: Over there on Twitter tomorrow or something.
Speaker 2: We always have fun with this every year, like donating
Speaker 2: to charity for how many I missed that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: So we'll put something together. We'll put something together tomorrow
Speaker 2: on Twitter. But that's where I think it stands. I
Speaker 2: do believe that Ben Johnson is in play and all
Speaker 2: those places that everybody wants him.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it's he's in play in
Speaker 2: New York, and I don't think he would go there.
Speaker 2: But beyond that, and so I think we're all waiting
Speaker 2: for those dominoes to fall. My gut is that Vrabel
Speaker 2: winds up in New England, Johnson winds up in Chicago,
Speaker 2: and you know, Jacksonville winds up looking between you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, a Pete Carroll or Liam Collen, whether
Speaker 2: they want to go New OC or whether they want
Speaker 2: a culture stability thing. It just depends. I do believe
Speaker 2: the Raiders will make a move next week. We'll see,
Speaker 2: but it could go into its early in the process,
Speaker 2: could go any which way.