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<v Speaker 2>We should read our Bibles as men dig for buried treasure,

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<v Speaker 2>one of.

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<v Speaker 1>The most high game of the nations.

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<v Speaker 3>Their inheritance.

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<v Speaker 1>When he divided mankind, he fixed.

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<v Speaker 3>The borders of people's according to the number of the

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<v Speaker 3>sons of God.

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<v Speaker 2>In those days and for some time after, giant Nephilites

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<v Speaker 2>lived down to the earth, For whenever the sons of

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<v Speaker 2>God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children

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<v Speaker 2>who became the heroes and famous warriors of ancient tides.

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<v Speaker 2>Take no part in the fruitless deeds of darkness, but

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<v Speaker 2>yet expose that though a thousand fall at your side,

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<v Speaker 2>though ten thousand are dying around you.

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<v Speaker 1>These years will not touching lies of garden.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, you gotta dig it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell, old fellow treasure hunters, welcome to the excavation side.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just in alongside me. We got Ben, Steven and

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<v Speaker 1>Chad will be your guides on this excursion. Hope you

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<v Speaker 1>brought your shovel in your compass because we got the map.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on on? My local guys and gals and

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<v Speaker 1>long distance pals. We're back.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm quitting. I can't handle you saying that anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody likes you quit her No.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy. Anyway, what's been going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Work? Laying around work, not so much laying around me.

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<v Speaker 2>Neither.

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<v Speaker 1>Basketball started, so going to a lot of basketball games,

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<v Speaker 1>my son.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been at a lot of soccer. It's been fun.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's almost over in a couple of weeks too.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, man, I tell you, I'm not looking forward

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<v Speaker 2>to the rest of this fall going through and turn

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<v Speaker 2>it into winter. It's just I'm if anybody out there

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<v Speaker 2>wants to know, it's what's the date today? It is

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<v Speaker 2>October twenty seventh that we're actually recording this, and we

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<v Speaker 2>have the kerosene heaters going on in the garage today

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<v Speaker 2>for the last two hours as we're getting this warm

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<v Speaker 2>enough for us just even be out here. I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>forward to summer, how about you, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I love fall, I love spring, but it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>in Tennessee you only get two weeks of each.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, Yeah, this year especially was like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was two weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>It went from the trees the trees are bare to

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<v Speaker 2>like being full on green. In two weeks it just boom,

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<v Speaker 2>it was there. Yeah, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Which, well, now we're winding down being a full week

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<v Speaker 1>now World two since the conference, you still feeling the

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<v Speaker 1>high from that or looking for another one.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I think we do need to find something to

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<v Speaker 2>go to. I've learned so much from that and it

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<v Speaker 2>really opened up kind of my view a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>into a couple of other things and just some other

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<v Speaker 2>things I want to look into that I really had

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<v Speaker 2>never thought of before. But I think that that was

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of gets a fire lit underneath you a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit to want to learn more and want to

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<v Speaker 2>share more. And I think that's I mean, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>it's all about. You know, iron sharpens iron, as we

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<v Speaker 1>Until you hit it, it turns into a piece of lead.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, iron does not sharpened lead, and vice versa.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's hard to be sharp hanging out with a

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<v Speaker 1>butter knife, I'll say, if the shoe fits. Gosh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you're so sensitive. I'm sorry, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know what to do. Oh, I'll just take it

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<v Speaker 3>out there to the grinder and serve it. Ever again,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll show you a butter or note.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this time around, our subject matter is actually it's

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<v Speaker 1>a request from somebody in our Facebook community, Sherry. She

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<v Speaker 1>suggested a while back that we look into where do

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<v Speaker 1>we go when we die? And this was a very

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<v Speaker 1>for me interesting deep dive or dig I should say,

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of stuff. This could be easily beat.

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<v Speaker 1>Two or three episodes. We're going to try to get

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<v Speaker 1>in one for you. Steve been shaking his head.

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<v Speaker 3>Nope, we were talking earlier. He's got a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I got several pages myself. I wing it

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<v Speaker 1>like normal. No, i'd say that computer is loaded down.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not being modest.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't this computer.

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<v Speaker 1>Dear Lord, I guess we'll start off with prayer. Whose

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<v Speaker 1>turn is it?

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<v Speaker 3>I'll do it. I guess bends up, Dear Lord, Thank

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<v Speaker 3>you for the day. Thank you for this beautiful weather,

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<v Speaker 3>even though Steve complains about it. Please give us the

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<v Speaker 3>information needs to relate to our listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus m inmen.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I love it. Short. I am to the point. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you ever see that the Lucky words the.

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<v Speaker 2>Muppets Christmas Carol? You ever seen that? That's I still

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<v Speaker 2>love that the Muppets. You never watched Muppet.

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas care I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that's so good. But those two, the

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<v Speaker 2>two guys that well, guys that are in the balcony

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. But Waldorf and Statler making fun everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>They said the same thing, FIZI makes a speech and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, it was short. It was to the point.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it, just so I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't put a lot of fluff on nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no need to shorten to the point. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>Well justin kick us off.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess, uh. You know one thing I like

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<v Speaker 1>about us is if you guys are unaware of how

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<v Speaker 1>we do this, this is not a scripted show at all.

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<v Speaker 1>This is off the cuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, we all pick a subject matter, we all three

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<v Speaker 1>dig in write notes, and we don't even compare them.

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<v Speaker 1>We just sit down and we just shoot from the

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<v Speaker 1>hip and tell what we discovered. And if somebody found

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<v Speaker 1>something different from what somebody else did, we just discuss it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that works out really great because is

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen find stuff that I never thought of and being

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<v Speaker 1>he comes out of left field with his capon to

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<v Speaker 1>save the day. And it's I mean, you honestly take

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<v Speaker 1>something or I do anyway from everybody each time we

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<v Speaker 1>do this, so you know, three sets of eyes are

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<v Speaker 1>definitely better than one.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm in left field and I'm a butter knife.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>They say in therapy it's not what you say, it's

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<v Speaker 1>how the person perceives it. So I'm sorry that you

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<v Speaker 1>heard that.

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<v Speaker 3>Then that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think when we get into this a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to start first of all, right, from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>right if you go back to the garden Veeden and

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<v Speaker 2>you think, you know man Adam was made to live

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<v Speaker 2>forever at the point in the garden, right, But after

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<v Speaker 2>sins and owner's the world, we have to pay the price,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's part of it. The price is death. The

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<v Speaker 2>wages of sin is death. Right, So what does what

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<v Speaker 2>does that say?

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<v Speaker 1>When?

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<v Speaker 2>When? When it when we're in the old or when

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<v Speaker 2>we're in Genesis, it says that you know from dust

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<v Speaker 2>you were made and from to dust you will return.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the first thing. When we talk about death,

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about your your earth, your earthly body, right,

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<v Speaker 2>not your spiritual being. Your earthly body, which is not perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>it's sinful, right, your body. We talked about it with

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<v Speaker 2>the Vicky Joy stuff that we talked about last or

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<v Speaker 2>from the conference. Yeah, I think it was Vicki Joy

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe it was Time Done, I can't remember, but

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about how your your your spirit if

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<v Speaker 2>you're a Christian. You cannot be possessed. Your soul cannot

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<v Speaker 2>be possessed because the Holy Spirit's already living there. But

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<v Speaker 2>it can take over other parts of your body, right

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<v Speaker 2>that those other parts are those are the evil parts

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<v Speaker 2>of your body. The other the other I shouldn't say

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<v Speaker 2>parts of your body. That sounds bad, but the other

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<v Speaker 2>it can take over those other place is the Holy

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<v Speaker 2>Spirit is not residing. That evil can set it rest.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it can of press and attack and those things.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your earthly body. It's sinful that there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>around that. We all, we all sin, we all short

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<v Speaker 2>for or fall short of the glory of God. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so in the end, first of all, we all must die.

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<v Speaker 2>It just has to happen. That's part of what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>No one's living forever.

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<v Speaker 2>No one's living forever unless your names, unless your name's

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<v Speaker 2>Elijah or Enoch.

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<v Speaker 1>Which one thing I found doing this study I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>notice before when you said the quote about Genesis, you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's also an ecclesiastics Yes, you know, dust returns to

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<v Speaker 1>earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God

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<v Speaker 1>who gave it, Uh, which I just kind of wrote

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<v Speaker 1>down verses that I stumbled across that just you know, vaguely,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, mentioned death or talked about it. Let's see

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<v Speaker 1>Ezekiel eighteen four. All souls are mine, says the Lord

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<v Speaker 1>Psalms one forty six four. When breath the parts, he

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<v Speaker 1>returns to the earth. And that kind of struck me

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<v Speaker 1>because when you go back to the you know, creation

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<v Speaker 1>account of Adam, you know, Genesis chapter two, verse seven

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<v Speaker 1>says that he was a lifeless body until the breath

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<v Speaker 1>of life entered him from God. So it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, God, God made Adam. He was a lifeless body,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then it said that God breathed the

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<v Speaker 1>breath of life into his nostrils and he was awakened

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<v Speaker 1>or came alive. And I thought that was pretty cool

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<v Speaker 1>because I got to look, you know, looking into it

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<v Speaker 1>and thinking about it a little bit, and I was like, God,

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<v Speaker 1>God gave all of us the breath of life. We're here,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking, we're you know, alive. So it's like God

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<v Speaker 1>gave a small piece of himself to each and every

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<v Speaker 1>one of us. And just like a river that's flowing

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<v Speaker 1>with water, all the water droplets is humanity, each person,

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<v Speaker 1>each soul, each piece of God. Well, all the rivers

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<v Speaker 1>flow straight back to the ocean from which it came

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<v Speaker 2>I like that a lot. That's a that's a good way.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that a lot. Yeah, it's pretty deep, and

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of hits you a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the next step here, as we can go along,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously with the whole shows about is then when

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<v Speaker 2>and Justin talked about this a little bit earlier in

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<v Speaker 2>little bit earlier today about when you actually pass away,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what happens. And we have some differing opinions

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<v Speaker 2>thing is, we're digging in, we're looking at things, and

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<v Speaker 2>of everything that we put out there, that the web page,

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<v Speaker 2>everything is for everybody to dig in and let's hear

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<v Speaker 2>your interpretation, Let's hear what the scriptures say to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Our whole point is to open up that dialogue, to

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<v Speaker 2>But so when we talk about where do we go

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<v Speaker 2>Testament and we go and it's really strongly used in

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five times in the Old Testament is the word

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<v Speaker 1>That's clumsily translated over well to hale, a generic, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>It became it is well hades. Especially when we get

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<v Speaker 2>to the New Testament, it's more interpreted as hades. But

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<v Speaker 2>the you're right, that's the part where everybody kind of

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's a few different things that we need to differentiate.

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<v Speaker 1>Which one catch all phrase. I think that everybody, I

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<v Speaker 1>think when we mentioned this subject, that it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's you know, forefront of their mind is you know

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<v Speaker 1>Tewod Corinthians five eight. You know, they say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to be absent from the body is to be present

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<v Speaker 1>with the Lord, you know. And even in Luke, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was twenty three forty six. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus at the cross said, Father, in your hands, I

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<v Speaker 1>could meet my spirit. And he drew his last breath,

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<v Speaker 1>but he said it is finished.

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<v Speaker 2>See now that is where me and you, I think

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<v Speaker 2>have a little bit of varying theories on what all

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<v Speaker 2>that means. I know, we believe that that's when he

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<v Speaker 2>he fulfilled the law. He had brought the completion of

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<v Speaker 2>the law into But when he passed away, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he had looked to and we talked about this earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben the He looks to his side and he has

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<v Speaker 2>the two prisoners either side, right. The one prisoner's mocking him,

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<v Speaker 2>and the other prisoner says, truly, you are the son

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<v Speaker 2>of God. And he looks over at that prisoner and says,

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<v Speaker 2>today you'll be with me in paradise. Now. One interpretation

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<v Speaker 2>The interpretation of paradise that we take from that from

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<v Speaker 2>the Hebrew is it's often interpreted as Abraham's bosom. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Abraham's bosom was also a reference, a reference to Shiel.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we look at different parts of this and

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<v Speaker 2>different verses of Shiel, it talks about Sheiel as not

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<v Speaker 2>only the place where the fallen angels were sent down.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when we talk about Tartarus or Gehenna, you

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<v Speaker 2>know it was the place where they were locked in

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<v Speaker 2>chains was Shiel, but also the place where after you passed,

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<v Speaker 2>where you went there was Abraham's bosom. Paradise was also

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<v Speaker 2>part of she There was different parts of Shields where

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<v Speaker 3>Was the torment, the tor valley between.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly and from which there was no escape from either.

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<v Speaker 3>It s you can both escape together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I think that's the where we have to

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<v Speaker 2>lay the foundation biblically. I don't think we can dispute

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<v Speaker 2>any of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, do you have any verses or scripture that talked

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<v Speaker 1>about basically the Jewish cosmology and how they solve the

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<v Speaker 1>afterlife for a black of bed or understanding for the listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>You go ahead, I know I have a couple here.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a one that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Found was Psalms eighty eighth, starting with verse three through twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>It says, for my soul is full of troubles, and

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<v Speaker 1>my life draws near to shield. And you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>he was talking about she old, you know, literally means

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<v Speaker 1>you know, land of the dead. You know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a blanket, you know. Term It says,

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<v Speaker 1>I am a man who has no strength, like one

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<v Speaker 1>for they are cut off from your hand. You have

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<v Speaker 1>regions dark and deep, which is you know, the Hebrew

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<v Speaker 1>word to home, you know, associated with the abyss the Abuso.

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<v Speaker 1>Your wrath lies heavy upon me, and you overwhelm me

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<v Speaker 1>My eye grows dim through sorrow. Every day I call

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<v Speaker 1>upon you, oh Lord, I spread out my hands to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you work wonders for the dead. Do the departed

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<v Speaker 1>rise up to praise you? She'llah, is your steadfast love

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<v Speaker 1>declared in the grave? Or your faithfulness in abdon? Are

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<v Speaker 1>your wonders known in the darkness? Or your righteousness in

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<v Speaker 1>the land of forgetfulness? So you know, Eva mentions Abdon,

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<v Speaker 1>which is another variation of Apollyon that's mentioned in Revelation

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<v Speaker 1>when the great Head opens up, so like he was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the how they saw the afterlife, sheeld was

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<v Speaker 1>a generic term for the land of the dead, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the land of the dead was the righteous, was

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<v Speaker 1>also the wicked. And then like they talked about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Abraham's bosom was supposed to be where the good ones

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<v Speaker 1>went and the other one was where the bad ones went,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was a huge rift, great divide in between.

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<v Speaker 1>But underneath that is what they called in Greek, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Tartarus is where the Genesis six and rebellious fallen angels

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<v Speaker 1>were kept in chains till the day of judgment. But

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<v Speaker 1>even above they believed in a three tier heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of just we use this term before piggybacking off

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit too and kind of taking it a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit Further, is that whole terminology shield as well,

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<v Speaker 2>is it's it's used many different ways throughout that throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible. For what it's used, I mean, it's interpreted

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes is underworld, right, It's interpreted sometimes as the grave.

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<v Speaker 2>There's many different ways because the translation when they take it,

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<v Speaker 2>they take it to the context that it's written in.

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<v Speaker 2>So when we read it, you know, it talks about

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<v Speaker 2>you know shield. Let's here, there's a couple more here.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, let me give you one here like Job

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four nineteen. The grave consume sinners just as drought

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<v Speaker 2>and heat consumes snow, and that that word grave is

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<v Speaker 2>the word shield, but they use it interpreted as grave.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway that I guess the important part to come

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<v Speaker 2>out of this right here is I know I'm backing

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<v Speaker 2>it up a little bit, and I apologize for that,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's a there's I know, I gotta pas, I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta go back here for one thing that I think

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<v Speaker 2>is really important to to talk about. Should have brought

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<v Speaker 2>it up initially justin keep going for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I guess just like kind of breaking down the

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<v Speaker 1>three tiers. I just kind of wrote a little something

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<v Speaker 1>to like Abraham's Bosom for instance. You know, it's only

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned in the book of Luke, you know, Luke sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen through thirty one. You know that this is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the Cannon, that's the story of the rich man Lazaruth.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it talks about you know, which we'll go

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<v Speaker 1>into more detail about later, but this is just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of generic, you know, overview. But it talked about a

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Verse twenty six describes it as a place

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<v Speaker 1>of rest, peace and joy, you know, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was paradise. It was synonymous with paradise.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you hear empty garden, yeah, similar, Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear them mentioned Paradise, they're referring to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, Abraham's Bosom. You know, later in Luke

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<v Speaker 1>chapter twenty three, verse forty three, you know, Jesus tells

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<v Speaker 1>the thief on the cross today you will be with

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<v Speaker 1>me in Paradise. First Eenoch twenty two also speaks on this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, separation of souls. But then you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said earlier, the realm of the dead shield you know,

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<v Speaker 1>literally means place of the dead. You know, lots of

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<v Speaker 1>English Bibles translate the word into hell, you know, not

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<v Speaker 1>the fiery hell that comes to your mind, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible indicates it's a temporary place where the souls

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<v Speaker 1>go as they wait for final resurrection or judgment. You know, good,

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<v Speaker 1>go to the paradise and present in the presence of God.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a part of Shilh called you know, heaven

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<v Speaker 1>paradise or Abraham's bosom, but those you know, are mentioned there,

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<v Speaker 1>but also in Second Corinthians chapter five and eight. But

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<v Speaker 1>then you have the lake of Fire. But that's future,

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know, after the judgment, that's the final destination,

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<v Speaker 1>the final death.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly what I wanted. That was leading up

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<v Speaker 2>to that verse. And I thought we should have talked

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<v Speaker 2>about maybe in the beginning. And I was my bad

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<v Speaker 2>because I even had it written down. Read this verse.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you talk about that, so we all die,

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<v Speaker 2>we said that already, Yeah, right, that happens, it says,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is Revelation twenty one to eight, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is exactly what you're talking about. It says, But

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<v Speaker 2>as for the cowards and unbelievereds and detestable persons and

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<v Speaker 2>and all liars. Their share is in the lake that

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<v Speaker 2>burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

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<v Speaker 2>So we as Christians, we die, our earthly body we die.

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<v Speaker 2>We're saved as far as as far as we have salvation,

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<v Speaker 2>our earthly body dies, We're gone.

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<v Speaker 1>We leave.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this dimension, this real this realm, whatever you

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<v Speaker 2>want to call it, exactly, but we don't die again.

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<v Speaker 2>We're done. We don't have that. The un leavers, the

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<v Speaker 2>people who were trying to reach, the people who are

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<v Speaker 2>not saved, when they get to that point, they will

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<v Speaker 2>suffer that second death. And that is exactly what you

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<v Speaker 2>were just saying, that ultimate lake of fire. And and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get into it in a little bit. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things that I want to read out

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<v Speaker 2>of here. That that there's a book that I have brought.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad actually gave me that was he was very

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<v Speaker 2>Rawlings that is it's called to Helen Back Life after Death,

422
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<v Speaker 2>starting startling new evidence, and it's about a surgeon, like

423
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<v Speaker 2>an er doctor that would deal with people when they

424
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<v Speaker 2>were going through dying, like and when they code or whatever,

425
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<v Speaker 2>and then he ends up bringing them back and what

426
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<v Speaker 2>these people saw and some of the people lived good,

427
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<v Speaker 2>long lives and and they tell their stories in this

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<v Speaker 2>book to him. After that he interviews him after everything

429
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<v Speaker 2>they saw, and he started as an atheist and his

430
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<v Speaker 2>experience is seeing what happened to people on that table

431
00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:10.000
<v Speaker 2>changed his life to become a believer. And it's a

432
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<v Speaker 2>pretty amazing book. And he actually I think there's two

433
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<v Speaker 2>of them, but this one. We'll read a couple of

434
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<v Speaker 2>stories out of it as we when we get a

435
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<v Speaker 2>little further along. But I think it's you know, when

436
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<v Speaker 2>we talk about the good and bad of dying, as

437
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:29.079
<v Speaker 2>far as where we go when we're believers versus if

438
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<v Speaker 2>we're not. The reality. If you read this it it's

439
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<v Speaker 2>terrifying also, I mean obviously in the other side of it,

440
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<v Speaker 2>because I have a couple of different save that are

441
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<v Speaker 2>the not so good, and I have a couple save

442
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<v Speaker 2>that are the good. But I think it's important to

443
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<v Speaker 2>see both sides of it. But I think that that

444
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<v Speaker 2>is it's just is. I mean, it'll hit you, it'll

445
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<v Speaker 2>hit you right in the face, real hard. Convict you

446
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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit.

447
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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And what's crazy is you know, even back

448
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<v Speaker 1>in the Old Testament, you know, all the Israelites they

449
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<v Speaker 1>hoped for resurrection from Shield, and even the non believers,

450
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.160
<v Speaker 1>whether they believe it or not, they're going to be

451
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<v Speaker 1>resurrected too, but to a final judgment in eternal you know,

452
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:25.839
<v Speaker 1>damnation and fire. You know, first Thessalonians chapter four, verse sixteen,

453
00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:29.039
<v Speaker 1>it says, with the sound of the trumpet of God,

454
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<v Speaker 1>the dead in Christ shall rise first, so that there's

455
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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, obviously the righteous resurrection to their

456
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<v Speaker 1>our new glorified heavenly body. You know. John chapter five,

457
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<v Speaker 1>verse twenty eight through twenty nine, it says those in

458
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<v Speaker 1>the tombs will come out, those who are righteous to

459
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<v Speaker 1>the resurrection of life, the wicked to judgment. And you know,

460
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<v Speaker 1>Daniel in that's Old Testament, chapter twelve, verse two just

461
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:03.920
<v Speaker 1>repeats the same thing. And the last one I got

462
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<v Speaker 1>a acts chapter two, verse twenty seven says, you will

463
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<v Speaker 1>not abandon my soul to hades, you know, Shield. So

464
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<v Speaker 1>you know, back then they were even looking forward to

465
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<v Speaker 1>to the resurrection and the bringing out of shie Al

466
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<v Speaker 1>the land of the dead.

467
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<v Speaker 2>So this is where I think things get a little

468
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<v Speaker 2>dicier as we go along as far as the interpretations,

469
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<v Speaker 2>because if we look at the Old Testament, it's very blatant.

470
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<v Speaker 2>It very much says that you know, everybody goes to Sheol,

471
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<v Speaker 2>that's where you go when you die. It's very gotten dry.

472
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<v Speaker 2>The difference the thing that I have kind of come

473
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<v Speaker 2>to believe, I think more than sorry, I'm trying to

474
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<v Speaker 2>pull up on my my logos here still, I tell

475
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<v Speaker 2>you what. As much as I love this, it's just

476
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.839
<v Speaker 2>got too much information, and I keep getting sidetracked in

477
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:12.839
<v Speaker 2>seven different ways.

478
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<v Speaker 1>But and we're most divide at honestly, and I think

479
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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what you was building to. I'll just

480
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:20.119
<v Speaker 1>speak on it while you're topping there and trying to

481
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>find it. But is we're the divide and opinions for

482
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<v Speaker 1>the most part is some believe that that we are

483
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<v Speaker 1>in rest until you know, Christ returns and then we're

484
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>all to go to heaven final judgment. And then some

485
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<v Speaker 1>believe you know that you know, we're you know, it

486
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<v Speaker 1>says to be absent from the body, to be present

487
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<v Speaker 1>with the Lord. Well that you know to them that

488
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<v Speaker 1>means that they are in heaven with God. So I

489
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<v Speaker 1>think that's kind of the so theological great divide the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and this is right, it is you're right. And

491
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<v Speaker 2>I think that that's and I was raised Lutheran, which

492
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.160
<v Speaker 2>it always it always specified you either went to heaven

493
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<v Speaker 2>or hell. That's where it was used or used. That

494
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.920
<v Speaker 2>was the way I was raised. But I think a

495
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<v Speaker 2>big part of it is when you look at that.

496
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<v Speaker 2>You look at when Jesus died, he said to that

497
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<v Speaker 2>thief on the cross next to him, today, will be

498
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<v Speaker 2>with me in paradise. Jesus died right, descended down into

499
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<v Speaker 2>you know, the prayer would go. The prayer goes when

500
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>you're in the luther Church. He descended into hell. On

501
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:32.599
<v Speaker 2>the third day he rose again, but he didn't descend

502
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.279
<v Speaker 2>into Hell. He descended into shield. What was interpreted later

503
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<v Speaker 2>is hell. He descended into shield. But I believe at

504
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.839
<v Speaker 2>that time he went down and that's when he he

505
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:45.359
<v Speaker 2>declared victory over heaven. And when we talk about did

506
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.039
<v Speaker 2>you say that the the the believers, the dead in

507
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Christ shall rise first, I believe more that that's them

508
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.559
<v Speaker 2>being brought up to heaven, that that at that point

509
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Jesus declared victory Jesus said one. At that point, Jesus

510
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:06.759
<v Speaker 2>dying for us on the cross completed that that ends.

511
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<v Speaker 2>Right at that point, there's no other there's no other

512
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:14.200
<v Speaker 2>battle to win. The war's already won the whole final

513
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:18.279
<v Speaker 2>judgment is coming. But it's coming for those watchers. It's

514
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<v Speaker 2>coming for those those people that are still down in

515
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<v Speaker 2>You want to call it Gna, you want to call it,

516
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:28.480
<v Speaker 2>you want to call it Tartarus, you know, Hades, you

517
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 2>want to call it hell. But that final judgment's coming.

518
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<v Speaker 2>When they're coming Shield, Yeah, but when they're coming.

519
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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much what you're saying is Jesus come down, preached,

520
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:47.759
<v Speaker 3>declared victory, and he took everybody with paradise, and so

521
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:51.200
<v Speaker 3>the only things left is Hades.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you look at the New Testament when they

523
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<v Speaker 2>talk about Shield, actually shield doesn't get talked about as much.

524
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<v Speaker 2>It's talked about a lot more in the Old Testament.

525
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:05.039
<v Speaker 2>It slows down a bit. New Testament when it talks

526
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.799
<v Speaker 2>about it, it more talks about a third heaven and

527
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>a couple other things. It's kind of interesting the terminology.

528
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<v Speaker 2>But there's actually a quote by another author, I really

529
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<v Speaker 2>like I should see I'm really behind on pulling this

530
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<v Speaker 2>stuff up faster when I'm in the middle of talking.

531
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<v Speaker 3>But this.

532
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<v Speaker 2>Guy, his name is Matthew Y Emerson, the bachelor's at

533
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Auburn PhD. Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. He's authored over twenty

534
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.960
<v Speaker 2>different publications. But this is a quote that I read

535
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.559
<v Speaker 2>from one of his articles that I thought was kind

536
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>of interesting, and it says, now all those who die

537
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:50.400
<v Speaker 2>in Christ die knowing that death has already been defeated

538
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:54.480
<v Speaker 2>and Shield has already been decimated. We'll still wait for

539
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:57.519
<v Speaker 2>the Messiah, but now we wait for his second advent,

540
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.599
<v Speaker 2>not his first. This may be why the New Testament

541
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:03.160
<v Speaker 2>uses terms like third Heaven or sleep to refer to

542
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the resting place of the Lord's saints rather than sheeld.

543
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:09.599
<v Speaker 2>The intermediate state is no longer a place of darkness

544
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:11.519
<v Speaker 2>and gloom because the light of the world has entered it.

545
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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's the way that I view that is,

546
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:20.440
<v Speaker 2>is that now Jesus has taken that, now that he's

547
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 2>taken those people that were in Shield, those believers from

548
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Abraham's bosom, and now they're with him in Heaven, and

549
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:30.880
<v Speaker 2>that's go ahead.

550
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<v Speaker 3>I guess it'd be more there with him in heaven,

551
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:38.279
<v Speaker 3>but maybe not in the presence of God yet.

552
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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't.

553
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<v Speaker 3>I'm just trying to unpack what you're saying.

554
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<v Speaker 2>I believe that now. I believe they're there. I believe

555
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:50.000
<v Speaker 2>they're in the presence of God. At this point. I

556
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:53.359
<v Speaker 2>think that that when it talks about heaven, right, it

557
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:56.839
<v Speaker 2>talks about and exactly in the presence of that light.

558
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's no sun because God is so bright.

559
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:03.359
<v Speaker 2>That's the light that we're talking about. God is so

560
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:06.839
<v Speaker 2>bright He lights up everything. And actually, when we get

561
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.039
<v Speaker 2>over to this book again, well we'll get a couple

562
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:12.159
<v Speaker 2>of parts that I think kind of hedge on that

563
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:16.400
<v Speaker 2>a little bit and kind of add some some you know,

564
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:18.559
<v Speaker 2>we always like to add in and we talk about

565
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:21.599
<v Speaker 2>using those non biblical texts, but I think using some

566
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:27.079
<v Speaker 2>real life experiences from people too that help, you know,

567
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:32.320
<v Speaker 2>just solidify the fact there is a definitely a positive

568
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:34.760
<v Speaker 2>afterlife and a negative afterlife when it comes to God.

569
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:36.880
<v Speaker 2>So I think we'll get into that here in a

570
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<v Speaker 2>little bit.

571
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<v Speaker 1>But one thing, as want it was actually next on

572
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<v Speaker 1>my list. It was being kind of funny, you know,

573
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<v Speaker 1>it said I got my notes, said, is Grandma in

574
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.079
<v Speaker 1>heaven now? Or how about that hateful old man that

575
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.599
<v Speaker 1>lived down the street. Is he inhale? Now you know

576
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<v Speaker 1>Sewo Corinthians five eighteen, we mentioned it once before, but

577
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<v Speaker 1>you know it says, you know, absent from the body

578
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:06.079
<v Speaker 1>is to be present with the Lord. You know. Then

579
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<v Speaker 1>Romans eight thirty eight says, not even death can separate

580
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<v Speaker 1>us from the love of God. And then the next

581
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:20.519
<v Speaker 1>I got it, says Psalms one thirty nine, verse eight.

582
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<v Speaker 1>It says, if I make my bed and she'll you

583
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:33.440
<v Speaker 1>are there, so it refers to a bed. So therefore

584
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:40.719
<v Speaker 1>rest Abraham's bosom is described as a place of rest

585
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:44.199
<v Speaker 1>and peace. And you know, the psiln must be saying,

586
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:46.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, if I make my bed and she oh,

587
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>you are there. So therefore it still holds true to

588
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<v Speaker 1>Sewo Corinthians five eighteen, absent from the body is to

589
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.639
<v Speaker 1>be present with the Lord. Because even Romans chapter eight,

590
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<v Speaker 1>verse thirty eight. I just said, not even death can

591
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:03.480
<v Speaker 1>say separate us from the love of God, you know,

592
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:05.920
<v Speaker 1>So being in the presence of the Lord, you know,

593
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.079
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, it doesn't prove that it is in

594
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote heaven. The Psalmist talks about God being with

595
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.559
<v Speaker 1>him and she old the land of the dead. You know,

596
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the Psalm just mentioned that. I just mentioned it refers

597
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<v Speaker 1>to you know, the bed, and I said that earlier.

598
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm rereading my notes again. But Hebrews chapter twelve, verse

599
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<v Speaker 1>one talks about a cloud of witnesses. You know, I

600
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:32.480
<v Speaker 1>know I've heard a lot of people say, you know,

601
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:36.039
<v Speaker 1>well that's you know, the righteous dead that's passed on.

602
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're cheering you on and watching from above.

603
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, my you know, since I've read Unseen Realm

604
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and been digging and stuff, you know, my paradigm has

605
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:50.320
<v Speaker 1>been shifting a little bit. I believe that that is

606
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.559
<v Speaker 1>the divine counsel because you know, Joe thirty eight, verse

607
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:58.480
<v Speaker 1>seven says this council was there at creation. You know,

608
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:03.519
<v Speaker 1>they are the you know, quote quote elder brothers. Hebrew

609
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:07.239
<v Speaker 1>chapter twelve, verse twenty three calls them the first born.

610
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, here we see the final Heaven. But this

611
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.400
<v Speaker 1>is at the end, you know, at the final trumpet,

612
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, the final Heaven you know that comes.

613
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.679
<v Speaker 3>Down, you know, heaven that comes sits on the new

614
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:21.559
<v Speaker 3>Earth exactly.

615
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<v Speaker 1>Yes. Uh. But one thing I thought was interesting and

616
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<v Speaker 1>I shared this with you when we was at the conference.

617
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<v Speaker 1>I never seen this before, and when we study and

618
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 1>I found it. But John chapter three, verse thirteen, Jesus

619
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:43.360
<v Speaker 1>himself says, no one has ascended into heaven except he

620
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:48.719
<v Speaker 1>who descended, the Son of Man. And at this point

621
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:53.119
<v Speaker 1>he was still alive, you know. So yeah, at that point,

622
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>no one had ascended. But at that point he hadn't

623
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:04.800
<v Speaker 1>descended either. So it was Jesus speaking like prophetic looking

624
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.559
<v Speaker 1>ahead because you know, these things haven't happened yet, but

625
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.960
<v Speaker 1>he saw he knew they were coming. But later in

626
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<v Speaker 1>that same book, chapter thirteen, verse thirty six, says, he's

627
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.159
<v Speaker 1>telling I can't remember it was Peter or who it was,

628
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:21.960
<v Speaker 1>but he says, you cannot follow me now, but you

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<v Speaker 1>will follow afterward. After the final trumpet in revelation, the

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<v Speaker 1>dead in him shall rise first. And that made me

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<v Speaker 1>think too. Enoch and Elijah they quote unquote ascended, but

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus said, no one has ascended into heaven.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like, or did they just go straight to paradise.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I was getting at. That's what I immediately thought.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, they didn't have to live.

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<v Speaker 1>They they they went to the good side of the

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<v Speaker 1>land of the dead. You know what I thought of,

638
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<v Speaker 1>and of course the famous one. And we've been, you know,

639
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<v Speaker 1>dancing all around, you know one Peter three nineteen. You

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<v Speaker 1>know Jesus in she ell slashed hardress.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, well, let's just read that. We keep talking that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just where is it first Peter three nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>So he went and preached to the spirits in prison,

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<v Speaker 3>those who disobeyed God long ago, when God waited patiently

646
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:33.840
<v Speaker 3>while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were

647
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<v Speaker 3>saved from drowning in that terrible flood. And that water

648
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<v Speaker 3>is a picture of baptism, which now saves you not

649
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<v Speaker 3>by removing dirt from your body, but as a response

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<v Speaker 3>of God or to God from a clean conscience. It

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<v Speaker 3>is affected or it is effective because of the resurrection

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<v Speaker 3>of Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Christ.

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<v Speaker 3>Now Christ has gone to heaven, and he is seated

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<v Speaker 3>in the place of honor next to God and all

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<v Speaker 3>the angels and authorities and powers except his authority. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, and that's one thing I think is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, frustrating to me is like when you hear

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<v Speaker 1>people or especially like you know, pastors, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if they just don't know about Genesis six honestly, if

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<v Speaker 1>they just don't know, or if they do and they're

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<v Speaker 1>purposefully taking the supernatural out of it because it's it's well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're comfortable, yeah, because I mean it says plainly he

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<v Speaker 1>you know, went down and witness to the ones in prison, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And then in that same before the flood,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all that, that's Genesis six, fallen angels, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why the flood can flom. I mean that the

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<v Speaker 1>correlations are all pointing right at it, you know. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's like and then they talk about, you know how

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what's the one where it says he

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<v Speaker 1>he led out There is one Peter three nineteen and

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<v Speaker 1>Ephesians four eight and Psalm sixty eight eighteen. I'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about how he led a host of captives free. So

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<v Speaker 1>the way I read it was like the good ones

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<v Speaker 1>are in paradise. It's described as you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with the presence of the Lord. It's talked about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just a place of rest and where all the righteous are.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't sound like captives to me. So when he

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<v Speaker 1>led a host of captives free, to me, it can't

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<v Speaker 1>be the righteous in paradise, because how are you a

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<v Speaker 1>prisoner or a captive in paradise.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I can see it. I can see it too. Ways.

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<v Speaker 2>It says it's unescapable either way, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I can I can see why. I can see

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<v Speaker 3>it two ways. They it's either Christ worst, you know,

686
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<v Speaker 3>he went down there and preached, you know, look at me.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what I've done. He could have given the

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<v Speaker 3>ones on the side of torment a second chance, you know,

689
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<v Speaker 3>who's never heard of them before the flood whatever? Right, possibly,

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<v Speaker 3>or I've also heard it argued as they might be

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<v Speaker 3>in paradise, but they're still separated from God. So therefore

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<v Speaker 3>that was the chains because they they were still chained

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<v Speaker 3>because they were separated from God. So now they get

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<v Speaker 3>to go to God. I've heard it. I've heard it

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<v Speaker 3>both ways, and it just kind of makes you scratch it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know that that episode that me

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<v Speaker 1>and you did right on the Law and then I

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00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.559
<v Speaker 1>got to dig it into that, you know, and it

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<v Speaker 1>talks about and that was in the Law is Dead

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<v Speaker 1>part two. But the ones of the that are the

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<v Speaker 1>prisoners and that was set free is the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>was prisoners to the Law of Moses. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard it that way too, because Galatians.

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<v Speaker 3>Three when we talked about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because Galatians three ten says cursed be everyone who

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<v Speaker 1>does not abide by all things written in the book

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<v Speaker 1>of the Law of Moses. So therefore it's been called

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<v Speaker 1>a curse. Galatians three twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Three is a curse because you can't you can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, Galatians three twenty three, before faith came,

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<v Speaker 1>we were held captive under the law, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>says imprisoned until the coming Faith would be revealed.

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<v Speaker 3>So there that could have been Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I say right there, you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the host of captives he led free? Where was the

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<v Speaker 1>living that was captive and prisoners? As Glatians specifically says

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<v Speaker 1>it to the law. But my side of it was

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<v Speaker 1>excluding the dead.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm not talking just the paradise.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean not even that, because I mean I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>So the law is no more, not not shill at all.

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<v Speaker 3>You're saying that now because of Christ, they're not bound

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<v Speaker 3>by the law, the chains of the law that they

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<v Speaker 3>don't the law doesn't apply anymore, so therefore they're not

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<v Speaker 3>judged by the law.

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<v Speaker 1>My my opinion was is when we die, we go

727
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<v Speaker 1>to shield and there's divides righteous and good, and then

728
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:02.599
<v Speaker 1>there's tardress underneath and it's a place of rest and

729
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:08.599
<v Speaker 1>peace and stuff for the righteous. And the captives that

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<v Speaker 1>he led free was the ones that are now living

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<v Speaker 1>us because we were once coordin to Galatians. We were cursed,

732
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<v Speaker 1>we were once captive, and we were imprisoned, all the law,

733
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<v Speaker 1>all the things that it says that he freed from.

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<v Speaker 1>So now I'm not saying that, you know, Christ and

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<v Speaker 1>God is now you know, present with them in paradise,

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<v Speaker 1>because even it said that God walked amongst Adam and

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<v Speaker 1>Eve in the garden before. So I'm just saying, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so that that could fix the whole, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to be absent from the bodies, to be present with

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<v Speaker 1>the Lord and because and the only reason I do

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<v Speaker 1>that is just because by my interpretation of the scripture,

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<v Speaker 1>because that that makes the revelation in trump at work,

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<v Speaker 1>because the other ways don't work. Because I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>we've already went to heaven, when he comes back and

745
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.719
<v Speaker 1>blows the final trumpet, it says the dead in him

746
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:13.480
<v Speaker 1>shall rise first. Well, if you if he led a

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<v Speaker 1>host of captives free already there's nobody dead to be

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<v Speaker 1>raised up because they're already gone.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's why it's really important though, because I like,

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<v Speaker 2>we all have different views on these different ideas and

751
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<v Speaker 2>and how we put them together. You know, we all

752
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:34.519
<v Speaker 2>dig into this information and we take different tidbits from it,

753
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<v Speaker 2>and we're we're working our best at interpreting things and

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<v Speaker 2>in our new with our new glasses, on our our

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<v Speaker 2>our spiritual supernatural worldview. But that's that's a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of what we've been focused on with this whole group.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we founded it on. And on top of that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, check out our Facebook group. You know, it's

759
00:46:56.440 --> 00:47:00.519
<v Speaker 2>the dig Bible podcast on Facebook. And and we just

760
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:05.559
<v Speaker 2>love diving into this stuff. We're gonna disagree, and that's okay, Yeah,

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00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:09.000
<v Speaker 2>that's okay. The whole point is not that we disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole point is that we're digging into the word.

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<v Speaker 2>We're we're sharpening each other. What we say, iron sharpens iron.

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<v Speaker 2>We always say that. I mean, honestly, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Hear a piece of lead, you hit a piece of lead,

766
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<v Speaker 1>that's the inside joke.

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<v Speaker 2>But but iron sharpens iron. So the more and more

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<v Speaker 2>that we look into this. The more and more we

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<v Speaker 2>put our ideas out there, don't don't think that you

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<v Speaker 2>know you have an idea, share it.

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<v Speaker 3>You might.

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<v Speaker 2>You might be opening somebody's eyes. You might be helping

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<v Speaker 2>us along that path. And I think it's just so

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<v Speaker 2>important that we.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep bouncing ideas of yes so much.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's okay, no if.

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<v Speaker 1>We say something you don't agree with, you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>long as you're not coming at us. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>you false prophets, just like you know, hey, I like

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<v Speaker 1>the show, but you know on this point, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's this And that's fine, and that's fine. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth about it and we you might have

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<v Speaker 1>something we never thought about and we will shake your

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<v Speaker 1>hand digitally and thank.

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<v Speaker 3>You for it.

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<v Speaker 2>In one Peter three point fifteen. Right now, we talk

787
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<v Speaker 2>about this all the time to say that, be prepared

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<v Speaker 2>to give a reason for the hope you have, but

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<v Speaker 2>do it with gentleness and respect. So when we do this,

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<v Speaker 2>we can have differing point of views. That's okay, we

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<v Speaker 2>can have that, but we have to say it in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that that you know, we're just trying to

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<v Speaker 2>help each other out. This isn't this isn't a hateful place.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't an idea to shoot people's ideas down or

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<v Speaker 2>a place to shoot that down for pier people. No,

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<v Speaker 2>this the whole point of this is to help build

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<v Speaker 2>each other up, to help us dig further into the Word.

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<v Speaker 2>And because I don't agree with your idea, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean you're wrong. I might be wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We won't know till we get there. But that's the

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<v Speaker 2>whole point of this. So we want to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that you guys feel good and comfortable coming on the website,

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<v Speaker 2>coming on the Facebook page, and really and Facebook page

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing. It's Thedigbible podcast dot com. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I would give justin tons of props on how he

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<v Speaker 2>put that together. Honest to goodness, we're not as professional

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<v Speaker 2>as that website makes us look. It's unreal, But it's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's a good, safe place to bounce ideas off

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<v Speaker 2>other Christians that we can kind of help each other

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<v Speaker 2>through this and help keep learning. So I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>just an important part to kind of segue in as

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<v Speaker 2>we as we keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you said it beautifully. Couldn't agree more. Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>even if I did disagree, I do oh about said disrespectful,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean respectfully. Well, I guess h power on through.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a look at We're gonna go into Lazarus

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<v Speaker 1>and the rich Man. So you got your bibles with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Check out Luke chapter sixteen, starting in verse nineteen. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the rich Man and Lazarus parable from Jesus. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a rich man who was clothed in purple

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<v Speaker 1>and fine linen, and who feasted sumptuously every day. And

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<v Speaker 1>at his gait was laid a poor man named Lazarth,

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<v Speaker 1>covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what

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<v Speaker 1>fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dog

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<v Speaker 1>came and licked his sores. The poor man died and

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<v Speaker 1>was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich

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<v Speaker 1>man also died and was buried and in hades. Being

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<v Speaker 1>in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham

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<v Speaker 1>from far off in Lazarreth at his side, and he

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<v Speaker 1>called out, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send

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<v Speaker 1>Lazareth to dip the end of his finger in water

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<v Speaker 1>and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in

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<v Speaker 1>this flame. But Abraham said, child, remember that in your

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime received good things in Lazareth in like manner bad things.

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<v Speaker 1>But now he is comforted here and you are in English.

837
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<v Speaker 1>And besides all this between us and you, a great

838
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:11.360
<v Speaker 1>chasm has been fixed in order that those who would

839
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.679
<v Speaker 1>pass from here to you may not be able, and

840
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:21.000
<v Speaker 1>none may cross from there to us. And he said,

841
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:23.920
<v Speaker 1>then I beg you father, to send him to my

842
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:28.360
<v Speaker 1>father's house, for I have five brothers, so that they

843
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 1>may warn them least they also come into this place

844
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:36.559
<v Speaker 1>of torment. But Abraham said, they have Moses and the prophets.

845
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Let them hear them. And he said, no, father Abraham,

846
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.599
<v Speaker 1>but if someone goes to them from the dead, they

847
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:49.760
<v Speaker 1>will repent. He said to him. If they do not

848
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:54.480
<v Speaker 1>hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced

849
00:51:54.639 --> 00:52:00.920
<v Speaker 1>if someone should rise from the dead. So, like, you know,

850
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:03.880
<v Speaker 1>there's you know a couple of things that stand out,

851
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Like to me, you get the whole concept of the cosmology,

852
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:12.239
<v Speaker 1>like we've already talked about. You know, you have the

853
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:17.360
<v Speaker 1>good section, the bad section, the chasm in between. It

854
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:23.239
<v Speaker 1>says that no man may enter or leave these places

855
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:23.840
<v Speaker 1>once they're in.

856
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:24.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

857
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So to me, it's like they can't crossover. Yeah,

858
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:32.000
<v Speaker 1>so that that debunks the whole ghost theory. You know,

859
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:35.000
<v Speaker 1>once you're there, you're there, you leaving, and he even requests,

860
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:37.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, one of them. He even even requests Abraham,

861
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, to go and talk to his brothers, and

862
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:44.360
<v Speaker 1>he's like, you know, they ain't gonna listen to the prophets,

863
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:46.559
<v Speaker 1>they ain't gonna listen to the dead. And as a

864
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:48.960
<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, we can't even go if we wanted to.

865
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:52.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's basically what he told him. So you

866
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:57.039
<v Speaker 1>get to see the cosmology and stuff of the different

867
00:52:57.159 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 1>chambers and stuff like that. I thought that was interesting.

868
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.960
<v Speaker 2>No, I think that's amazing. It's amazing every time that

869
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:07.119
<v Speaker 2>we look at this, and you know, the Bible gives

870
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:09.360
<v Speaker 2>us everything we need to know, and then it gives

871
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:12.199
<v Speaker 2>us a glimpse into everything else. And that's why we

872
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:14.039
<v Speaker 2>always say that we have to keep digging into it

873
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.920
<v Speaker 2>to keep learning, because there's so many other references throughout

874
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:18.719
<v Speaker 2>the Bible where you can jump back and forth and

875
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.360
<v Speaker 2>find these these other keys that help you keep going

876
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:24.159
<v Speaker 2>in that direction, you know what I mean.

877
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I was looking through to see I got

878
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:30.320
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of little highlights and notes.

879
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I had another verse on this too that was really.

880
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Which with my notes of course, you know, I mean

881
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.599
<v Speaker 1>I told you kind of my view on it. So

882
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but it said ancient Israelites believed in three

883
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:50.639
<v Speaker 1>heavens or realms or dimensions. It says here the Great Versus,

884
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 1>the righteous Man was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom,

885
00:53:56.599 --> 00:54:00.280
<v Speaker 1>while the other was in torment and Hades, you know,

886
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:05.320
<v Speaker 1>you know Shield, but Abraham's bosom, you know, could that

887
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:09.480
<v Speaker 1>be the second heaven? You know Eden, you know shield

888
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:13.639
<v Speaker 1>under the ground above Tartarus, the great divide being, you know,

889
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:18.320
<v Speaker 1>like the firmament, the first heaven, you know, while the

890
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:22.039
<v Speaker 1>third heaven, you know, where God presides himself in the

891
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.679
<v Speaker 1>third Heaven, you know, this is where Jesus is preparing

892
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:28.760
<v Speaker 1>his place for us, you know, the new Jerusalem that

893
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:34.199
<v Speaker 1>comes down when Heaven and new Earth is created. Just

894
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:38.079
<v Speaker 1>you have heard of proposals.

895
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.480
<v Speaker 3>I've heard, yeah, I've heard. I can't remember where I

896
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:45.760
<v Speaker 3>heard it from. But they were talking like you know,

897
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:52.159
<v Speaker 3>picture floors in heaven, and like God was, you know,

898
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:57.199
<v Speaker 3>up there in the penthouse his throne room, and then

899
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.960
<v Speaker 3>like the angels and whatever had their own floors that

900
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:06.840
<v Speaker 3>they were mostly on. But it definitely makes you.

901
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:10.639
<v Speaker 2>To go back just a little bit, a little bit

902
00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:14.400
<v Speaker 2>on what you were saying with Lazarrith and the rich man, right,

903
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Isaiah fourteen nine, This is one that I thought kind

904
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:20.079
<v Speaker 2>of fit that place a little bit. But this is

905
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:23.519
<v Speaker 2>it was actually a taunt at the King of Babylon, right,

906
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:26.159
<v Speaker 2>And it says, in the place of the dead, there

907
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:30.119
<v Speaker 2>is excitement over your arrival. The spirits of the world

908
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:33.239
<v Speaker 2>leaders and the mighty kings long dead stand up to

909
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:37.320
<v Speaker 2>you talking about going to hell. I'm sorry talking about

910
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:39.360
<v Speaker 2>going to hell. When it was talking about the taunt

911
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:41.280
<v Speaker 2>for the King of Babylon, the talking about going to hell,

912
00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:44.480
<v Speaker 2>that part wasn't in the verse, but it was a

913
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:46.880
<v Speaker 2>taunt talking about when you do get there, when you

914
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:50.519
<v Speaker 2>get to that, you know that bad side of shield

915
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:55.039
<v Speaker 2>that those other and I love that it points that out.

916
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:57.000
<v Speaker 2>And you know, you think about so much in the Bible,

917
00:55:57.079 --> 00:55:59.639
<v Speaker 2>we talk about how you know it was written back

918
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:01.239
<v Speaker 2>at a certain in time, but it still speaks to

919
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:03.840
<v Speaker 2>us today, and it says right there, it says, the

920
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:07.360
<v Speaker 2>spirits of world leaders and mighty kings long dead. So

921
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:12.559
<v Speaker 2>those corrupt people in high places right, they're waiting in

922
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:15.039
<v Speaker 2>shield for all those other ones to come down. It's

923
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:20.199
<v Speaker 2>they're just it's it's ultimately it's pretty prophetic, but it's

924
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:24.039
<v Speaker 2>really sad. Well loves company, misery loves company. But it's

925
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:27.559
<v Speaker 2>just really sad to think that even the you know

926
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:31.960
<v Speaker 2>are as much as I you know, you'd like to

927
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:33.920
<v Speaker 2>think you can help everybody get to heaven. We all

928
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:35.119
<v Speaker 2>want everybody to go to heaven.

929
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:35.800
<v Speaker 3>In the end, we do.

930
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:38.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I I want my very the people that

931
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:40.840
<v Speaker 2>hate me the very most, I still would love them

932
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:42.960
<v Speaker 2>to go to heaven because in the end, that's what

933
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:47.360
<v Speaker 2>it's all about. No one, no one should be in hell.

934
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:52.320
<v Speaker 2>No one should be. But in the end, it's sad

935
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.280
<v Speaker 2>that this is prophetic telling us that the future, you know,

936
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:58.719
<v Speaker 2>that that there are people that are not going to

937
00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:00.360
<v Speaker 2>be helped, that are not going to get get there,

938
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:03.559
<v Speaker 2>that are not and and and there's nothing there. I mean,

939
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:05.880
<v Speaker 2>to to some degree, there's nothing we can do about it.

940
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:08.400
<v Speaker 2>But our mission is to try and do the best

941
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:10.719
<v Speaker 2>we can to get as many people. We always talk

942
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:12.840
<v Speaker 2>about that too, is is you know, the whole point

943
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.079
<v Speaker 2>is to empty out Hell and fill up heaven. I mean,

944
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:18.320
<v Speaker 2>that's the main focus of what we're doing here is

945
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:21.360
<v Speaker 2>to give people the view of it, to let them

946
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:24.440
<v Speaker 2>understand the world is supernatural. We're seeing it all around us.

947
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm getting off subject again, but the world

948
00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:29.400
<v Speaker 2>is supernatural. It's all around us. We can see it.

949
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:33.639
<v Speaker 2>It's there. People understand there's supernatural things happening around us

950
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:37.800
<v Speaker 2>right now. And if they go to certain churches or

951
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:40.320
<v Speaker 2>or into certain groups like oh no, that that's not

952
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:43.920
<v Speaker 2>that's not real, that's not then that's going to turn

953
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:46.719
<v Speaker 2>them away from God. The truth is, the supernatural stuff

954
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:51.599
<v Speaker 2>is all around us. It's always and there's well, we talked.

955
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.599
<v Speaker 3>About most churches, only pick a few, but we talk

956
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:56.400
<v Speaker 3>about Daniel and then that's you know.

957
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:00.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, That's the thing with the church nowadays is the

958
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Christian people have a supernatural worldview, but only when it

959
00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:05.960
<v Speaker 1>comes to Christ and Christ only. You know, they believe

960
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:10.360
<v Speaker 1>in the Immaculate Conception and the resurrection and all these

961
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:12.719
<v Speaker 1>miracles that Jesus done. But when you want to talk

962
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:16.960
<v Speaker 1>about demons, falling angels and the like, no, they don't

963
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:19.320
<v Speaker 1>believe in that. But now there's a heaven, there's a hell.

964
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Well going right with what you're saying, going right with

965
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.320
<v Speaker 2>what you're saying. That I think is the biggest problem

966
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:31.880
<v Speaker 2>is it shows you that most of the Christian population

967
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:33.880
<v Speaker 2>is fine just going to church hearing what they hear

968
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:35.920
<v Speaker 2>and not reading it and digging into.

969
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Their bier and to what they want to hear.

970
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, they hear what they want to hear, but they're

971
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:41.760
<v Speaker 2>not reading the Bible. All this stuff is plainly put there.

972
00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.320
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying I'm any better than anybody else,

973
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.199
<v Speaker 2>to be honest, not until we started doing this did

974
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:50.840
<v Speaker 2>I start really getting serious about reading my Bible and

975
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:55.280
<v Speaker 2>getting getting slapped in the face and convicted all the

976
00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:58.639
<v Speaker 2>time by reading that. I mean all the time, I'm

977
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:01.360
<v Speaker 2>reading things that just jump out the page at me

978
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:03.519
<v Speaker 2>and slap me in the face. And I'm sitting there going, oh,

979
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:06.360
<v Speaker 2>you're right, should be in the word all the time,

980
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:09.280
<v Speaker 2>And I wasn't. I mean I'm literally talking six months

981
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:13.000
<v Speaker 2>ago I wasn't, and now I'm I'm reading that Bible.

982
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.079
<v Speaker 2>I try to read it every day, and if I don't,

983
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:18.039
<v Speaker 2>if I don't read it every day, it's six days

984
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:22.079
<v Speaker 2>a week. And I'm not saying I'm that that's better

985
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:24.400
<v Speaker 2>than anybody else. Does or whatever else. It's not. The

986
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:26.639
<v Speaker 2>thing is is that it took me. I'm forty two

987
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:29.639
<v Speaker 2>years old. It took me forty two years to get

988
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:34.000
<v Speaker 2>to that point, along with some pretty rough life experiences

989
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:36.280
<v Speaker 2>that push you to that point to get you to

990
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:42.559
<v Speaker 2>that point. And you know, God is we got to

991
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:45.679
<v Speaker 2>listen to God. God. We have to let God talk

992
00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:47.800
<v Speaker 2>to us. We have to listen to Him. And like

993
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:49.440
<v Speaker 2>I said, I think for a long time I was

994
00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:51.400
<v Speaker 2>trying to hear what I wanted to hear, and now

995
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm hearing God tell me. I'm taking the time to

996
00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:57.239
<v Speaker 2>listen to what God actually is telling me, and it

997
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:00.119
<v Speaker 2>gives me a piece that I have not had for

998
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:03.760
<v Speaker 2>in my life ever. And I'm being that one hundred

999
01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:06.079
<v Speaker 2>percent serious about that. I have never had the peace

1000
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:09.079
<v Speaker 2>that I have right now. Even with all the things

1001
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:12.199
<v Speaker 2>that have recently happened, I have not had the peace

1002
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:15.320
<v Speaker 2>that I have right now. But anyway, let's back this up.

1003
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:18.599
<v Speaker 2>I took us so far off track, took us so

1004
01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:22.519
<v Speaker 2>far off track. But uh, we're gonna go into I

1005
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:24.800
<v Speaker 2>think First Enoch now, so justin.

1006
01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, First Enoch. It goes more into the the cosmology

1007
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:34.079
<v Speaker 1>and stuff of the Bible and what the you know,

1008
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:39.280
<v Speaker 1>the Israelites believed. But first Enoch chapter twenty two, it says,

1009
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and thence I went to another place, and he showed

1010
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.719
<v Speaker 1>me in the west another great and high mountain of

1011
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:52.000
<v Speaker 1>hard rock, and there was in it four hollow places,

1012
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:56.760
<v Speaker 1>deep and wide, and every smooth. How smooth are the

1013
01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:00.639
<v Speaker 1>hollow places and deep and dark to look at. Then

1014
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Raphael answered one of the holy angels who was with me,

1015
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:07.800
<v Speaker 1>and said to me, these hollow places have been created

1016
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:11.239
<v Speaker 1>for this very purpose, that the spirits of the souls

1017
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:15.960
<v Speaker 1>of the dead should assemble therein Yeah, that all the

1018
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.599
<v Speaker 1>souls of children of men should assemble here. And these

1019
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:22.599
<v Speaker 1>places have been made to receive them till the day

1020
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:26.679
<v Speaker 1>of their judgment, until their appointed period, till the period

1021
01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:31.599
<v Speaker 1>appointed till the great judgment comes upon them. I saw

1022
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:35.519
<v Speaker 1>the spirits of children of men who were dead, and

1023
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:39.239
<v Speaker 1>their voice went forth to heaven and made suit. Then

1024
01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I asked Raphael, the angel who was with me, and

1025
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I said, unto him, this spirit, whose is it? Whose

1026
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:50.920
<v Speaker 1>voice goes forth and maketh suit? And he answered me, saying,

1027
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:55.920
<v Speaker 1>this is the spirit which came forth from Abel, whom

1028
01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:59.480
<v Speaker 1>his brother came slew. And he makes his suit against

1029
01:01:59.559 --> 01:02:02.000
<v Speaker 1>him to his seed is destroyed from the face of

1030
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:05.559
<v Speaker 1>the earth, and his seed is annihilated from amongst the

1031
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:09.440
<v Speaker 1>seed of men. Then I asked, regarding it, and regarding

1032
01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:13.880
<v Speaker 1>all the hollow places, why is one separated from the other.

1033
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:17.000
<v Speaker 1>And he answered me and said, unto me, these three

1034
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:19.800
<v Speaker 1>have been made that the spirits of the dead might

1035
01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:23.039
<v Speaker 1>be separated. And such divisions has been made for the

1036
01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:26.800
<v Speaker 1>spirits of the righteous, in which there as the bright

1037
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:31.039
<v Speaker 1>spring of water. And such has been made for sinners,

1038
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:35.039
<v Speaker 1>when they die and are buried in the earth, and

1039
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 1>judgment has not been executed on them in their lifetime.

1040
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Here their spirits shall set apart in the great pain

1041
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:47.159
<v Speaker 1>till the great day of judgment, and punishment and torment

1042
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:51.960
<v Speaker 1>of those who curse forever and retribution for the spirits

1043
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:57.440
<v Speaker 1>there He shall bind them forever. And such a division

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<v Speaker 1>has been made for the spirits of those who who

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01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:06.039
<v Speaker 1>make their suit, who make disclosures concerning their destruction when

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01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:09.320
<v Speaker 1>they were slain in the days of sinners. Such has

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<v Speaker 1>been made for the spirits of men who are not righteous,

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01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:17.079
<v Speaker 1>but sinners who were complete in transgression, and other transgressors.

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<v Speaker 1>They shall be companions, but their spirit, but their spirits

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01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:24.719
<v Speaker 1>shall not be slain in the day of judgment, nor

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<v Speaker 1>shall they be raised from thence then I bless the

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<v Speaker 1>Lord of Glory, and said, blessed be my Lord, the

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<v Speaker 1>Lord of Righteousness, who rule us forever. And that's the

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<v Speaker 1>end of chapter twenty two. So when you count them,

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<v Speaker 1>there's four hollow places in the Book of Enoch. You

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<v Speaker 1>had one for the children of men, which able makes

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01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:56.159
<v Speaker 1>the suit for them. A second one was for the righteous,

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01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:00.679
<v Speaker 1>a third was for the sinners, and then was for

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01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:02.239
<v Speaker 1>the rebellious sons of God.

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<v Speaker 2>Tartarus a game es six. Yeah, wild, that is that

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01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:12.239
<v Speaker 2>is wild. Actually I showed you guys, and we'll put

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<v Speaker 2>it up here at that point on the Facebook page.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of an interpretation that that I'm trying to remember

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01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.840
<v Speaker 2>what the name of that was now, but interpretation illustration,

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01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:29.800
<v Speaker 2>i should say, of of what that actually looked like.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was their Clearance Lark and biblical illustrations, and

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01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.920
<v Speaker 2>they have a he's a pretty interesting picture of you

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<v Speaker 2>with that, not saying either way, take it for what

1069
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.400
<v Speaker 2>it's worth, but it's just another person's opinion on how

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01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:46.800
<v Speaker 2>that would look. So we'll put that up When this

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01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:48.559
<v Speaker 2>is going out and that way, you guys can kind

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01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:52.320
<v Speaker 2>of have a have a illustration. I'm a visual person,

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01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:53.760
<v Speaker 2>so that helps me along as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But what do you guys think about the the first

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01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:03.119
<v Speaker 1>hollow place that it mentions, It says, you know, it

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01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:07.199
<v Speaker 1>was made for the children of men and that able

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01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:12.880
<v Speaker 1>makes suit for them. That one kind of made me

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01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:15.199
<v Speaker 1>think for a while and scratch my head. I'm just

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01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:16.519
<v Speaker 1>curious what you else come up with.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering if that's talking oh you go ahead, sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>What if that's talking about children who die but has

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01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:29.679
<v Speaker 3>not they're not to the age of.

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01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:33.199
<v Speaker 1>What's it called accountability?

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01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Accountability or absolution is what the Baptists called the age

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01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:38.320
<v Speaker 2>of absolution.

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<v Speaker 3>Which what that age is I had no idea, but

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01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:45.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, to where the you know, they're still they

1088
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:48.199
<v Speaker 3>don't know what's truly right and wrong. Yet they don't

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01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:51.920
<v Speaker 3>there's still at a childish state.

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<v Speaker 1>That's definitely something that comes to mind. That's what I was,

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01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:57.400
<v Speaker 1>That's what was in my thinking when you said that

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01:05:58.159 --> 01:06:01.599
<v Speaker 1>vac sense. I mean, because it says the children of

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01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:05.159
<v Speaker 1>me and so obviously there's a separate place in nursery

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01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:07.400
<v Speaker 1>in chield.

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01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:10.679
<v Speaker 2>And that that's a good point, because that's the the

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01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:14.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, we talk a lot about We've kind of

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01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:17.199
<v Speaker 2>talked about some of that stuff indirectly, but like baptism

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01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:19.280
<v Speaker 2>and things of that nature. You know, people think, you know,

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01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:22.480
<v Speaker 2>certain certain churches believe that, you know, because of our

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01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:25.480
<v Speaker 2>c our sinful nature, that we have to be baptized

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01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:28.440
<v Speaker 2>as an infant to make sure that we get to Heaven.

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01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Where I I don't believe that because before if you

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01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.400
<v Speaker 2>look at David, David had an infant that died, and

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01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't I don't have the verses rap I had.

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01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:41.159
<v Speaker 2>But King David had an infant that died.

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01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:44.519
<v Speaker 3>With Sheba the first and and he wept, and he wept.

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01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:47.559
<v Speaker 2>And cried, but says, I will see you again when

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01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:50.239
<v Speaker 2>I when when I pass on. So he knew that

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01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that that that baby, that that infant was going to

1110
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:54.960
<v Speaker 2>be in heaven, even though that baby doesn't have the

1111
01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:58.719
<v Speaker 2>wherewithal to say, oh, I accept Jesus is my Lord

1112
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:02.840
<v Speaker 2>and Savior. I firmly believe. And we've talked a little

1113
01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:05.440
<v Speaker 2>bit about this before, is that when you're that young,

1114
01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:11.559
<v Speaker 2>you have not willfully sinned yet, you haven't made that

1115
01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:15.280
<v Speaker 2>like we have willfully sinned. We have done things we

1116
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:18.039
<v Speaker 2>know are wrong at that age, when you're an infant,

1117
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:21.039
<v Speaker 2>when you're a baby, when you're I don't know exactly

1118
01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:22.559
<v Speaker 2>at what age you all of a sudden know that

1119
01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:24.719
<v Speaker 2>what you did is wrong until mommy and Daddy tells you.

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01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:28.119
<v Speaker 2>But you don't know what's right and wrong with that point,

1121
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:30.079
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. There's a point when all

1122
01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:32.559
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden you understand. But if you're an infant,

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01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:36.199
<v Speaker 2>you're a day old, right, you haven't You are born

1124
01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:41.400
<v Speaker 2>with a sinful nature, but at that point you have

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01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:45.840
<v Speaker 2>not willfully sinned. So I believe fully that God has

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01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:52.199
<v Speaker 2>a veil of protection over infants and the or for example,

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01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:54.599
<v Speaker 2>children who have been aborted or things of that nature.

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01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:57.239
<v Speaker 2>I fully believe that we will see all of them

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01:07:57.320 --> 01:07:59.000
<v Speaker 2>in heaven. I fully believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh just think, so.

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01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:09.679
<v Speaker 3>He's up there ables trying to what say, wiping the

1132
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:10.480
<v Speaker 3>blood line out.

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01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:14.679
<v Speaker 1>When I said, he's making suit for these children, you know,

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01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:18.000
<v Speaker 1>until you know, I guess Kane's bloodline is.

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01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:22.399
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Cane okay, insaid, Just think about all these people

1136
01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:26.279
<v Speaker 3>who have if you know it was gone, going after

1137
01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:27.439
<v Speaker 3>their own bloodlines.

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01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:30.640
<v Speaker 1>That'd be kind of rough. What I was gonna say,

1139
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:33.880
<v Speaker 1>was when he was talking about the whole child baptism thing.

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01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen some of the videos of that sprinkling. No,

1141
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:40.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean I've seen some violent ones, man, I mean

1142
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:43.159
<v Speaker 1>like infants grabbing them by the arm and dunking the

1143
01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:45.880
<v Speaker 1>them like slamming. I seen one this priest. He was

1144
01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:49.720
<v Speaker 1>like body slamming this infant in this water like four times,

1145
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:51.640
<v Speaker 1>and the parents are sitting there like, oh my God.

1146
01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:55.840
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, he must have known their parents. He

1147
01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:58.239
<v Speaker 1>must have known their parents and make sure the sins

1148
01:08:58.239 --> 01:08:59.880
<v Speaker 1>of the father are getting washed off that thing.

1149
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:06.239
<v Speaker 3>I would say, say four times. I was family issues

1150
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:07.039
<v Speaker 3>going there.

1151
01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:09.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's kind of like the whoopings, you know, the

1152
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:11.239
<v Speaker 1>birthday wolpings. You get an extra one for one to

1153
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:14.199
<v Speaker 1>grow on. He got the father son, Holy Spirit. And

1154
01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:20.119
<v Speaker 1>just in case I missed a spot, but don't I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was only sprinkled. My friend. I was baptisted. We were

1156
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:25.720
<v Speaker 2>raised Lutherans, so we baptize their infants and you have

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01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:28.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, you would have your sponsors. They would always

1158
01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:31.760
<v Speaker 2>have sponsors and uh, it's my my uncle, Warren, aunt

1159
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:35.359
<v Speaker 2>Karen or my sponsors. And they're the ones that answer

1160
01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:40.119
<v Speaker 2>like a so they come and they answer for you.

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01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:44.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how. I mean, I'd have to look

1162
01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:48.640
<v Speaker 2>more into that. But Baptism and the Lutheran as far

1163
01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:50.159
<v Speaker 2>as from the Lutheran is one of the one of

1164
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:53.359
<v Speaker 2>the true sacraments, like it's it's a crucial thing as

1165
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:56.279
<v Speaker 2>an infant where you know, you think about Baptists, where

1166
01:09:56.359 --> 01:10:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Baptists it has to be your volitional ye after you,

1167
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:03.720
<v Speaker 2>it's after you accept Christ, and that's the and that's

1168
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:07.279
<v Speaker 2>the same thing with you know, we're non denominational, and

1169
01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I've been another non denominational churches too, and it's usually

1170
01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:14.439
<v Speaker 2>more of that Baptist line of thinking where you have

1171
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:17.159
<v Speaker 2>to make that choice and it's a true submersion rather

1172
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:20.039
<v Speaker 2>than a sprinkling or something of that nature. But you

1173
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:22.159
<v Speaker 2>have to make that choice. And I and in the end,

1174
01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I kind of understand that because when we get to

1175
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:31.880
<v Speaker 2>that point where we get to the age where we

1176
01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:34.680
<v Speaker 2>understand right and wrong, we understand heaven and Hell, we

1177
01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:37.319
<v Speaker 2>understand all those things, we have to make a conscious

1178
01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:38.880
<v Speaker 2>choice are we going to follow Jesus? So we're going

1179
01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:44.319
<v Speaker 2>to follow our earthly desires, And so that makes sense.

1180
01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:49.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, your baptism is a symbolic is a symbolic

1181
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:55.159
<v Speaker 2>way of showing God that you are His. Is a

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01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:57.640
<v Speaker 2>way that committing yourself to the Lord. I mean, that's

1183
01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:00.399
<v Speaker 2>really what it is. It's committing yourself of the Lord.

1184
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:03.119
<v Speaker 1>But like Derek Gilbert said in our episode, you know

1185
01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:06.479
<v Speaker 1>he talked about you know that John the Baptist, the

1186
01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:08.720
<v Speaker 1>actual location where he was doing that was in the

1187
01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:11.880
<v Speaker 1>land of Bashan, and it was an act of spiritual warfare.

1188
01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:12.800
<v Speaker 3>You know that.

1189
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:15.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, when you die, you go down to shield,

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01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:21.159
<v Speaker 1>which was the waters the Abuso sivilized chaos, and that

1191
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:25.760
<v Speaker 1>you come back up you're resurrected with a new, you know,

1192
01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:29.720
<v Speaker 1>heavenly body. And these fallen angels and watchers that you know,

1193
01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:32.359
<v Speaker 1>wanted to live the eternal life. I have to sit

1194
01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:34.840
<v Speaker 1>back and watch and resurrection is denied to them.

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01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Now I gotta find this because I think it My gosh,

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01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:41.920
<v Speaker 2>we get off base and then I start remembering other

1197
01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:43.920
<v Speaker 2>things that I think are really important when we're talking

1198
01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:47.960
<v Speaker 2>about it. But there's a verse in Acts, which I've

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01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:50.079
<v Speaker 2>been telling these guys, that's what I've been hid into

1200
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:54.439
<v Speaker 2>lately and just delving into it really deep. But there's

1201
01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:56.720
<v Speaker 2>a verse in Acts that talks about Paul going into

1202
01:11:56.800 --> 01:12:01.359
<v Speaker 2>a city and and and trying to see if these

1203
01:12:01.359 --> 01:12:04.319
<v Speaker 2>people had the Holy Spirit, and it said, no, you've

1204
01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:09.039
<v Speaker 2>only had John's baptism. You've not been baptized with the

1205
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Lord Jesus Christ. So we talk a lot about baptism,

1206
01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:14.319
<v Speaker 2>and it's something I want to go into more in

1207
01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:18.279
<v Speaker 2>the future. But with when it says they did not

1208
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:21.399
<v Speaker 2>have the Holy Spirit because they had John's baptism of water, right,

1209
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:25.000
<v Speaker 2>they weren't baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Or

1210
01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:28.680
<v Speaker 2>and does that mean necessarily were they, you know, baptized

1211
01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:30.640
<v Speaker 2>in the water or is it talking about a baptism

1212
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:33.720
<v Speaker 2>of by the Holy Spirit, like as in Pentecost when

1213
01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:35.640
<v Speaker 2>the Holy Spirit came upon them and they had the

1214
01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:38.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, the the flames on top of them. Is

1215
01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:43.600
<v Speaker 2>baptism of the Holy Spirit a spiritual thing as opposed

1216
01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:45.680
<v Speaker 2>to a and I mean it's spiritual either way, but

1217
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:49.880
<v Speaker 2>as opposed to this symbolic you know, John was was

1218
01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:54.399
<v Speaker 2>giving them a symbolic rebirth, right, John the baptist was

1219
01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:56.520
<v Speaker 2>it was a symbolic rebirth. He's done in the water.

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01:12:56.680 --> 01:13:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Like you have said, you're going to commit yourself to

1221
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:03.760
<v Speaker 2>to the Lord. You know that that that Jesus is coming.

1222
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:05.479
<v Speaker 2>You know he was, he was He was the one,

1223
01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:08.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, paving the road for Jesus coming. That's what

1224
01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:09.840
<v Speaker 2>That's what John was.

1225
01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, it was a cleansing because even like a lot

1226
01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:13.800
<v Speaker 1>of people miss and I love how doctor Michael Heiser

1227
01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:17.199
<v Speaker 1>talked about it, the sacrifices and stuff in the temple

1228
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:22.439
<v Speaker 1>was not it was for It was basically like a

1229
01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:28.399
<v Speaker 1>temporary cleansing to make you holy before you went into

1230
01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the temple. You know on Earth is God's temple. Yes,

1231
01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:34.680
<v Speaker 1>And that was all old covenant stuff. You know, Jesus

1232
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:39.159
<v Speaker 1>came new covenant, so new uh, cleansing. I guess you

1233
01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:40.119
<v Speaker 1>could look at it that way.

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01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, Jesus gave us the permanent cleansing. That was the thing.

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01:13:43.359 --> 01:13:46.640
<v Speaker 2>We don't need those sacrifices post Jesus, but that that

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01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:50.159
<v Speaker 2>that blood of that flawless animal, whatever it was, whether

1237
01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:52.079
<v Speaker 2>it was a dove, whether it was a lamb, whatever

1238
01:13:52.159 --> 01:13:56.319
<v Speaker 2>it was, that was giving. That was That was you

1239
01:13:56.439 --> 01:13:59.920
<v Speaker 2>were putting your sin, your your sin, your sinful nature.

1240
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm that animal and being temporarily made clean. It's almost

1241
01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:08.399
<v Speaker 2>like the version of Catholic confession in a way. If

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01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:10.439
<v Speaker 2>you think about it. You know, you're getting everything off

1243
01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:13.560
<v Speaker 2>your chest and saying I did all this, now you're forgiven. Okay,

1244
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:16.199
<v Speaker 2>now this week, I did all this. Now I got

1245
01:14:16.319 --> 01:14:18.239
<v Speaker 2>to go back and do it again. That's the same

1246
01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:18.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes you wonder if the Pharisees had some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like inner monopoly going on with the farmers.

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<v Speaker 2>It may be, but you know they ate. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which we got off track like we normally do.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing I thought about it yet back, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do it this time, let's back it up, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing I thought about it, of course I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought about what Ben was saying. But then I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, what's the significance that Abel is making

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<v Speaker 1>suit for them?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Could it be that these were murdered children? Are these

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<v Speaker 1>aborted children or just murdered?

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't say it would be the murdered aboarded children

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<v Speaker 3>on top of infants dying after birth or or.

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<v Speaker 2>Being able to make that decision, or a one and.

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<v Speaker 3>A half year old got in a car wreck and.

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<v Speaker 1>Passed away. But that's the one thing I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because the Bible don't throw no junk at you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean there's stuff's in there for a reason.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, you know, that was me. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>my wife tells me, I think too deep into it.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Enoch. That wasn't the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>It said that well Jesus quoted. If it's good enough

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<v Speaker 1>for Jesus, it's good enough for me. But it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, why why was able making seats? Well? Abel

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<v Speaker 1>was murdered. Maybe these maybe these he's the first.

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<v Speaker 2>Murder you know, he was the first person murdered. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an interesting thought, I think. But I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good way of looking at it because I

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<v Speaker 2>think in some in some way because I've never gone

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we've all had bad things happen to us

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<v Speaker 2>in our lives, we all have. But I am blessed

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<v Speaker 2>to say that I have never had I've never lost

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<v Speaker 2>a child or something that I can't even imagine what

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<v Speaker 2>someone goes through, the heartbreak that what would that I

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<v Speaker 2>can't even fathom that. I mean, that just puts you

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<v Speaker 2>in a different realm. And to have the comfort to

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<v Speaker 2>know that that child's in heaven, that that child's waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for you, I think has to be something really powerful

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<v Speaker 2>for people who have gone through that to know that

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<v Speaker 2>they're actually the lucky ones because they have their they

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<v Speaker 2>have their they're with God already. We you know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>still we're still working our way through this life. But

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<v Speaker 2>they're with God already. And that's that's got to be

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<v Speaker 2>a powerful and a blessing to some people who have

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<v Speaker 2>had to go through that, because I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>you would otherwise not knowing that they're with God. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you have that, well, you don't just have you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a time.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, can you imagine, yeah, not being a believer,

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<v Speaker 1>this is it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I just think that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>profound though.

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<v Speaker 1>And I told a non believer one time. We were

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<v Speaker 1>having a discussion, and I told them, I said, if

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<v Speaker 1>let's just say if if I'm wrong, I'm taught to

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<v Speaker 1>love my neighbors, I love myself, to forgive, to be charitable,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to do all these you know, things that

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<v Speaker 1>make the world around me a better place. And if

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<v Speaker 1>everybody around me that says they're a Christian does the same,

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<v Speaker 1>they're making the world around them a better place. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's a ripple effect. And can you imagine how much

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<v Speaker 1>better this world will be if everybody did. And then

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<v Speaker 1>in the end, if I'm wrong, I ain't lost nothing

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<v Speaker 1>but you that don't believe you've lost everything? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>even if if you want to just look at it

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<v Speaker 1>from a technical you know, betting man's logic, What do

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<v Speaker 1>you got to lose everything?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like Mama said, better to have it not need

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<v Speaker 3>it than need it not have it.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you said you're playing the foosball behind my

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<v Speaker 2>back again, Bobby bullshit.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's the devil.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you for listening to the Dig Bible Podcast. Questions, comments,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't lean on a shovel and pray for a whole.

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