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Speaker 2: We should read our Bibles as men dig for buried treasure,
Speaker 2: one of.
Speaker 1: The most high game of the nations.
Speaker 3: Their inheritance.
Speaker 1: When he divided mankind, he fixed.
Speaker 3: The borders of people's according to the number of the
Speaker 3: sons of God.
Speaker 2: In those days and for some time after, giant Nephilites
Speaker 2: lived down to the earth, For whenever the sons of
Speaker 2: God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children
Speaker 2: who became the heroes and famous warriors of ancient tides.
Speaker 2: Take no part in the fruitless deeds of darkness, but
Speaker 2: yet expose that though a thousand fall at your side,
Speaker 2: though ten thousand are dying around you.
Speaker 1: These years will not touching lies of garden.
Speaker 3: Man, you gotta dig it.
Speaker 1: Hell, old fellow treasure hunters, welcome to the excavation side.
Speaker 1: I'm just in alongside me. We got Ben, Steven and
Speaker 1: Chad will be your guides on this excursion. Hope you
Speaker 1: brought your shovel in your compass because we got the map.
Speaker 3: Let's do.
Speaker 1: What's going on on? My local guys and gals and
Speaker 1: long distance pals. We're back.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I think I'm quitting. I can't handle you saying that anymore.
Speaker 3: Nobody likes you quit her No.
Speaker 2: Oh boy. Anyway, what's been going on?
Speaker 3: Work? Laying around work, not so much laying around me.
Speaker 2: Neither.
Speaker 1: Basketball started, so going to a lot of basketball games,
Speaker 1: my son.
Speaker 2: We've been at a lot of soccer. It's been fun.
Speaker 2: But that's almost over in a couple of weeks too.
Speaker 2: And then, man, I tell you, I'm not looking forward
Speaker 2: to the rest of this fall going through and turn
Speaker 2: it into winter. It's just I'm if anybody out there
Speaker 2: wants to know, it's what's the date today? It is
Speaker 2: October twenty seventh that we're actually recording this, and we
Speaker 2: have the kerosene heaters going on in the garage today
Speaker 2: for the last two hours as we're getting this warm
Speaker 2: enough for us just even be out here. I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to summer, how about you, guys.
Speaker 1: I love fall, I love spring, but it seems like
Speaker 1: in Tennessee you only get two weeks of each.
Speaker 2: You're right, Yeah, this year especially was like that.
Speaker 1: It was two weeks.
Speaker 2: It went from the trees the trees are bare to
Speaker 2: like being full on green. In two weeks it just boom,
Speaker 2: it was there. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Which, well, now we're winding down being a full week
Speaker 1: now World two since the conference, you still feeling the
Speaker 1: high from that or looking for another one.
Speaker 2: Now, I think we do need to find something to
Speaker 2: go to. I've learned so much from that and it
Speaker 2: really opened up kind of my view a little bit
Speaker 2: into a couple of other things and just some other
Speaker 2: things I want to look into that I really had
Speaker 2: never thought of before. But I think that that was
Speaker 2: It kind of gets a fire lit underneath you a
Speaker 2: little bit to want to learn more and want to
Speaker 2: share more. And I think that's I mean, that's what
Speaker 2: it's all about. You know, iron sharpens iron, as we
Speaker 2: always say.
Speaker 1: Until you hit it, it turns into a piece of lead.
Speaker 2: Well, iron does not sharpened lead, and vice versa.
Speaker 1: And it's hard to be sharp hanging out with a
Speaker 1: butter knife, I'll say, if the shoe fits. Gosh, man,
Speaker 1: you're so sensitive. I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know what to do. Oh, I'll just take it
Speaker 3: out there to the grinder and serve it. Ever again,
Speaker 3: I'll show you a butter or note.
Speaker 1: Well, this time around, our subject matter is actually it's
Speaker 1: a request from somebody in our Facebook community, Sherry. She
Speaker 1: suggested a while back that we look into where do
Speaker 1: we go when we die? And this was a very
Speaker 1: for me interesting deep dive or dig I should say,
Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff. This could be easily beat.
Speaker 1: Two or three episodes. We're going to try to get
Speaker 1: in one for you. Steve been shaking his head.
Speaker 3: Nope, we were talking earlier. He's got a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got several pages myself. I wing it
Speaker 1: like normal. No, i'd say that computer is loaded down.
Speaker 1: You're not being modest.
Speaker 3: I haven't this computer.
Speaker 1: Dear Lord, I guess we'll start off with prayer. Whose
Speaker 1: turn is it?
Speaker 3: I'll do it. I guess bends up, Dear Lord, Thank
Speaker 3: you for the day. Thank you for this beautiful weather,
Speaker 3: even though Steve complains about it. Please give us the
Speaker 3: information needs to relate to our listeners.
Speaker 2: Jesus m inmen.
Speaker 1: That's why I love it. Short. I am to the point. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you ever see that the Lucky words the.
Speaker 2: Muppets Christmas Carol? You ever seen that? That's I still
Speaker 2: love that the Muppets. You never watched Muppet.
Speaker 1: Christmas care I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's so good. But those two, the
Speaker 2: two guys that well, guys that are in the balcony
Speaker 2: all the time. But Waldorf and Statler making fun everybody.
Speaker 2: They said the same thing, FIZI makes a speech and
Speaker 2: they're like, it was short. It was to the point.
Speaker 2: I loved it, just so I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't put a lot of fluff on nothing.
Speaker 2: There's no need to shorten to the point. All right,
Speaker 2: Well justin kick us off.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess, uh. You know one thing I like
Speaker 1: about us is if you guys are unaware of how
Speaker 1: we do this, this is not a scripted show at all.
Speaker 1: This is off the cuff.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Basically, we all pick a subject matter, we all three
Speaker 1: dig in write notes, and we don't even compare them.
Speaker 1: We just sit down and we just shoot from the
Speaker 1: hip and tell what we discovered. And if somebody found
Speaker 1: something different from what somebody else did, we just discuss it.
Speaker 1: And I think that works out really great because is
Speaker 1: Stephen find stuff that I never thought of and being
Speaker 1: he comes out of left field with his capon to
Speaker 1: save the day. And it's I mean, you honestly take
Speaker 1: something or I do anyway from everybody each time we
Speaker 1: do this, so you know, three sets of eyes are
Speaker 1: definitely better than one.
Speaker 3: So I'm in left field and I'm a butter knife.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: They say in therapy it's not what you say, it's
Speaker 1: how the person perceives it. So I'm sorry that you
Speaker 1: heard that.
Speaker 3: Then that's great.
Speaker 2: Well, I think when we get into this a little bit,
Speaker 2: we got to start first of all, right, from the beginning,
Speaker 2: right if you go back to the garden Veeden and
Speaker 2: you think, you know man Adam was made to live
Speaker 2: forever at the point in the garden, right, But after
Speaker 2: sins and owner's the world, we have to pay the price,
Speaker 2: and that's part of it. The price is death. The
Speaker 2: wages of sin is death. Right, So what does what
Speaker 2: does that say?
Speaker 1: When?
Speaker 2: When? When it when we're in the old or when
Speaker 2: we're in Genesis, it says that you know from dust
Speaker 2: you were made and from to dust you will return.
Speaker 2: So that's the first thing. When we talk about death,
Speaker 2: you're talking about your your earth, your earthly body, right,
Speaker 2: not your spiritual being. Your earthly body, which is not perfect,
Speaker 2: it's sinful, right, your body. We talked about it with
Speaker 2: the Vicky Joy stuff that we talked about last or
Speaker 2: from the conference. Yeah, I think it was Vicki Joy
Speaker 2: or maybe it was Time Done, I can't remember, but
Speaker 2: we were talking about how your your your spirit if
Speaker 2: you're a Christian. You cannot be possessed. Your soul cannot
Speaker 2: be possessed because the Holy Spirit's already living there. But
Speaker 2: it can take over other parts of your body, right
Speaker 2: that those other parts are those are the evil parts
Speaker 2: of your body. The other the other I shouldn't say
Speaker 2: parts of your body. That sounds bad, but the other
Speaker 2: it can take over those other place is the Holy
Speaker 2: Spirit is not residing. That evil can set it rest.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it can of press and attack and those things.
Speaker 2: That's your earthly body. It's sinful that there's no way
Speaker 2: around that. We all, we all sin, we all short
Speaker 2: for or fall short of the glory of God. Right,
Speaker 2: so in the end, first of all, we all must die.
Speaker 2: It just has to happen. That's part of what it is.
Speaker 3: No one's living forever.
Speaker 2: No one's living forever unless your names, unless your name's
Speaker 2: Elijah or Enoch.
Speaker 1: Which one thing I found doing this study I didn't
Speaker 1: notice before when you said the quote about Genesis, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: that's also an ecclesiastics Yes, you know, dust returns to
Speaker 1: earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God
Speaker 1: who gave it, Uh, which I just kind of wrote
Speaker 1: down verses that I stumbled across that just you know, vaguely,
Speaker 1: you know, mentioned death or talked about it. Let's see
Speaker 1: Ezekiel eighteen four. All souls are mine, says the Lord
Speaker 1: Psalms one forty six four. When breath the parts, he
Speaker 1: returns to the earth. And that kind of struck me
Speaker 1: because when you go back to the you know, creation
Speaker 1: account of Adam, you know, Genesis chapter two, verse seven
Speaker 1: says that he was a lifeless body until the breath
Speaker 1: of life entered him from God. So it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, God, God made Adam. He was a lifeless body,
Speaker 1: you know, and then it said that God breathed the
Speaker 1: breath of life into his nostrils and he was awakened
Speaker 1: or came alive. And I thought that was pretty cool
Speaker 1: because I got to look, you know, looking into it
Speaker 1: and thinking about it a little bit, and I was like, God,
Speaker 1: God gave all of us the breath of life. We're here,
Speaker 1: we're talking, we're you know, alive. So it's like God
Speaker 1: gave a small piece of himself to each and every
Speaker 1: one of us. And just like a river that's flowing
Speaker 1: with water, all the water droplets is humanity, each person,
Speaker 1: each soul, each piece of God. Well, all the rivers
Speaker 1: flow straight back to the ocean from which it came
Speaker 1: to the source. And I think that was a pretty
Speaker 1: cool correlation. It was like, you know, God's the source,
Speaker 1: he gave us a piece of himself, and we're all
Speaker 1: just trying to get back to the source.
Speaker 2: I like that a lot. That's a that's a good way.
Speaker 2: I like that a lot. Yeah, it's pretty deep, and
Speaker 2: that kind of hits you a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: I guess the next step here, as we can go along,
Speaker 2: and obviously with the whole shows about is then when
Speaker 2: we pass away. And this is where I know me
Speaker 2: and Justin talked about this a little bit earlier in
Speaker 2: the week, and then me and Ben talked about it a
Speaker 2: little bit earlier today about when you actually pass away,
Speaker 2: you know what happens. And we have some differing opinions
Speaker 2: on this, and and that's that's good. I mean, the
Speaker 2: thing is, we're digging in, we're looking at things, and
Speaker 2: and the whole point of what we're doing here, and
Speaker 2: the whole point of our Facebook group, the whole point
Speaker 2: of everything that we put out there, that the web page,
Speaker 2: everything is for everybody to dig in and let's hear
Speaker 2: your interpretation, Let's hear what the scriptures say to you.
Speaker 2: Our whole point is to open up that dialogue, to
Speaker 2: encourage people to dig in find those nuggets, as Justin
Speaker 2: loves to say. But anyway, but it's the community. But
Speaker 2: the whole point is to help us grow together. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's the whole.
Speaker 3: Point, interact and everybody, you know.
Speaker 2: But so when we talk about where do we go
Speaker 2: when we die, and and the something that I think
Speaker 2: will agree on is if we start in the Old
Speaker 2: Testament and we go and it's really strongly used in
Speaker 2: the Old Testament. As a matter of fact, it's you
Speaker 2: sixty five times in the Old Testament is the word
Speaker 2: shield and.
Speaker 1: That's clumsily translated over well to hale, a generic, you know,
Speaker 1: catch all term.
Speaker 2: It became it is well hades. Especially when we get
Speaker 2: to the New Testament, it's more interpreted as hades. But
Speaker 2: the you're right, that's the part where everybody kind of
Speaker 2: just assumes the exactly. But I think that as we
Speaker 2: go along and as we read some of these things,
Speaker 2: there's there's a few different things that we need to differentiate.
Speaker 2: But here I'm gonna pull my notes up here.
Speaker 1: Which one catch all phrase. I think that everybody, I
Speaker 1: think when we mentioned this subject, that it comes to
Speaker 1: everybody's you know, forefront of their mind is you know
Speaker 1: Tewod Corinthians five eight. You know, they say, you know,
Speaker 1: to be absent from the body is to be present
Speaker 1: with the Lord, you know. And even in Luke, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it was twenty three forty six. You know,
Speaker 1: Jesus at the cross said, Father, in your hands, I
Speaker 1: could meet my spirit. And he drew his last breath,
Speaker 1: but he said it is finished.
Speaker 2: See now that is where me and you, I think
Speaker 2: have a little bit of varying theories on what all
Speaker 2: that means. I know, we believe that that's when he
Speaker 2: he fulfilled the law. He had brought the completion of
Speaker 2: the law into But when he passed away, you know,
Speaker 2: he had looked to and we talked about this earlier.
Speaker 2: Ben the He looks to his side and he has
Speaker 2: the two prisoners either side, right. The one prisoner's mocking him,
Speaker 2: and the other prisoner says, truly, you are the son
Speaker 2: of God. And he looks over at that prisoner and says,
Speaker 2: today you'll be with me in paradise. Now. One interpretation
Speaker 2: The interpretation of paradise that we take from that from
Speaker 2: the Hebrew is it's often interpreted as Abraham's bosom. Right,
Speaker 2: Abraham's bosom was also a reference, a reference to Shiel.
Speaker 2: And when we look at different parts of this and
Speaker 2: different verses of Shiel, it talks about Sheiel as not
Speaker 2: only the place where the fallen angels were sent down.
Speaker 2: You know, when we talk about Tartarus or Gehenna, you
Speaker 2: know it was the place where they were locked in
Speaker 2: chains was Shiel, but also the place where after you passed,
Speaker 2: where you went there was Abraham's bosom. Paradise was also
Speaker 2: part of she There was different parts of Shields where
Speaker 2: there was the righteous and then there.
Speaker 3: Was the torment, the tor valley between.
Speaker 2: Exactly and from which there was no escape from either.
Speaker 3: It s you can both escape together.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I think that's the where we have to
Speaker 2: lay the foundation biblically. I don't think we can dispute
Speaker 2: any of that.
Speaker 1: Now, do you have any verses or scripture that talked
Speaker 1: about basically the Jewish cosmology and how they solve the
Speaker 1: afterlife for a black of bed or understanding for the listeners.
Speaker 2: You go ahead, I know I have a couple here.
Speaker 2: I got a one that I.
Speaker 1: Found was Psalms eighty eighth, starting with verse three through twelve.
Speaker 1: It says, for my soul is full of troubles, and
Speaker 1: my life draws near to shield. And you know, like
Speaker 1: he was talking about she old, you know, literally means
Speaker 1: you know, land of the dead. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: kind of like a blanket, you know. Term It says,
Speaker 1: I am counted among those who go down to the pit.
Speaker 1: I am a man who has no strength, like one
Speaker 1: set loose among the dead, like the sling that lie
Speaker 1: in the grave, like those whom you remember no more,
Speaker 1: for they are cut off from your hand. You have
Speaker 1: put me in the depths of the pit, in the
Speaker 1: regions dark and deep, which is you know, the Hebrew
Speaker 1: word to home, you know, associated with the abyss the Abuso.
Speaker 1: Your wrath lies heavy upon me, and you overwhelm me
Speaker 1: with all of your waves she lae. You have caused
Speaker 1: my companions to shun me. You have made me a
Speaker 1: horror to them. I am shut in so I cannot escape.
Speaker 1: My eye grows dim through sorrow. Every day I call
Speaker 1: upon you, oh Lord, I spread out my hands to you.
Speaker 1: Do you work wonders for the dead. Do the departed
Speaker 1: rise up to praise you? She'llah, is your steadfast love
Speaker 1: declared in the grave? Or your faithfulness in abdon? Are
Speaker 1: your wonders known in the darkness? Or your righteousness in
Speaker 1: the land of forgetfulness? So you know, Eva mentions Abdon,
Speaker 1: which is another variation of Apollyon that's mentioned in Revelation
Speaker 1: when the great Head opens up, so like he was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, the how they saw the afterlife, sheeld was
Speaker 1: a generic term for the land of the dead, and
Speaker 1: in the land of the dead was the righteous, was
Speaker 1: also the wicked. And then like they talked about, you know,
Speaker 1: Abraham's bosom was supposed to be where the good ones
Speaker 1: went and the other one was where the bad ones went,
Speaker 1: and there was a huge rift, great divide in between.
Speaker 1: But underneath that is what they called in Greek, you know,
Speaker 1: Tartarus is where the Genesis six and rebellious fallen angels
Speaker 1: were kept in chains till the day of judgment. But
Speaker 1: even above they believed in a three tier heaven.
Speaker 2: Kind of just we use this term before piggybacking off
Speaker 2: a little bit too and kind of taking it a
Speaker 2: little bit Further, is that whole terminology shield as well,
Speaker 2: is it's it's used many different ways throughout that throughout
Speaker 2: the Bible. For what it's used, I mean, it's interpreted
Speaker 2: sometimes is underworld, right, It's interpreted sometimes as the grave.
Speaker 2: There's many different ways because the translation when they take it,
Speaker 2: they take it to the context that it's written in.
Speaker 2: So when we read it, you know, it talks about
Speaker 2: you know shield. Let's here, there's a couple more here.
Speaker 2: For example, let me give you one here like Job
Speaker 2: twenty four nineteen. The grave consume sinners just as drought
Speaker 2: and heat consumes snow, and that that word grave is
Speaker 2: the word shield, but they use it interpreted as grave.
Speaker 2: So anyway that I guess the important part to come
Speaker 2: out of this right here is I know I'm backing
Speaker 2: it up a little bit, and I apologize for that,
Speaker 2: but there's a there's I know, I gotta pas, I
Speaker 2: gotta go back here for one thing that I think
Speaker 2: is really important to to talk about. Should have brought
Speaker 2: it up initially justin keep going for a minute.
Speaker 1: Which I guess just like kind of breaking down the
Speaker 1: three tiers. I just kind of wrote a little something
Speaker 1: to like Abraham's Bosom for instance. You know, it's only
Speaker 1: mentioned in the book of Luke, you know, Luke sixteen
Speaker 1: nineteen through thirty one. You know that this is you know,
Speaker 1: in the Cannon, that's the story of the rich man Lazaruth.
Speaker 1: You know, it talks about you know, which we'll go
Speaker 1: into more detail about later, but this is just kind
Speaker 1: of generic, you know, overview. But it talked about a
Speaker 1: great gulf that exists between the good and the bad.
Speaker 1: You know, Verse twenty six describes it as a place
Speaker 1: of rest, peace and joy, you know, in other words,
Speaker 1: you know, it was paradise. It was synonymous with paradise.
Speaker 1: So when you hear empty garden, yeah, similar, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: when you hear them mentioned Paradise, they're referring to, you know,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, Abraham's Bosom. You know, later in Luke
Speaker 1: chapter twenty three, verse forty three, you know, Jesus tells
Speaker 1: the thief on the cross today you will be with
Speaker 1: me in Paradise. First Eenoch twenty two also speaks on this,
Speaker 1: you know, separation of souls. But then you know, like
Speaker 1: I said earlier, the realm of the dead shield you know,
Speaker 1: literally means place of the dead. You know, lots of
Speaker 1: English Bibles translate the word into hell, you know, not
Speaker 1: the fiery hell that comes to your mind, but you know,
Speaker 1: the Bible indicates it's a temporary place where the souls
Speaker 1: go as they wait for final resurrection or judgment. You know, good,
Speaker 1: go to the paradise and present in the presence of God.
Speaker 1: You know, a part of Shilh called you know, heaven
Speaker 1: paradise or Abraham's bosom, but those you know, are mentioned there,
Speaker 1: but also in Second Corinthians chapter five and eight. But
Speaker 1: then you have the lake of Fire. But that's future,
Speaker 1: that's you know, after the judgment, that's the final destination,
Speaker 1: the final death.
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what I wanted. That was leading up
Speaker 2: to that verse. And I thought we should have talked
Speaker 2: about maybe in the beginning. And I was my bad
Speaker 2: because I even had it written down. Read this verse.
Speaker 2: But when you talk about that, so we all die,
Speaker 2: we said that already, Yeah, right, that happens, it says,
Speaker 2: and this is Revelation twenty one to eight, right, and
Speaker 2: this is exactly what you're talking about. It says, But
Speaker 2: as for the cowards and unbelievereds and detestable persons and
Speaker 2: murderers and the sexually immoral people, and sorcerers and idolators
Speaker 2: and all liars. Their share is in the lake that
Speaker 2: burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.
Speaker 2: So we as Christians, we die, our earthly body we die.
Speaker 2: We're saved as far as as far as we have salvation,
Speaker 2: our earthly body dies, We're gone.
Speaker 1: We leave.
Speaker 2: You know, this dimension, this real this realm, whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call it, exactly, but we don't die again.
Speaker 2: We're done. We don't have that. The un leavers, the
Speaker 2: people who were trying to reach, the people who are
Speaker 2: not saved, when they get to that point, they will
Speaker 2: suffer that second death. And that is exactly what you
Speaker 2: were just saying, that ultimate lake of fire. And and
Speaker 2: we'll get into it in a little bit. I have
Speaker 2: a couple of things that I want to read out
Speaker 2: of here. That that there's a book that I have brought.
Speaker 2: My dad actually gave me that was he was very
Speaker 2: big on this. But there's a book by Maurice s.
Speaker 2: Rawlings that is it's called to Helen Back Life after Death,
Speaker 2: starting startling new evidence, and it's about a surgeon, like
Speaker 2: an er doctor that would deal with people when they
Speaker 2: were going through dying, like and when they code or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then he ends up bringing them back and what
Speaker 2: these people saw and some of the people lived good,
Speaker 2: long lives and and they tell their stories in this
Speaker 2: book to him. After that he interviews him after everything
Speaker 2: they saw, and he started as an atheist and his
Speaker 2: experience is seeing what happened to people on that table
Speaker 2: changed his life to become a believer. And it's a
Speaker 2: pretty amazing book. And he actually I think there's two
Speaker 2: of them, but this one. We'll read a couple of
Speaker 2: stories out of it as we when we get a
Speaker 2: little further along. But I think it's you know, when
Speaker 2: we talk about the good and bad of dying, as
Speaker 2: far as where we go when we're believers versus if
Speaker 2: we're not. The reality. If you read this it it's
Speaker 2: terrifying also, I mean obviously in the other side of it,
Speaker 2: because I have a couple of different save that are
Speaker 2: the not so good, and I have a couple save
Speaker 2: that are the good. But I think it's important to
Speaker 2: see both sides of it. But I think that that
Speaker 2: is it's just is. I mean, it'll hit you, it'll
Speaker 2: hit you right in the face, real hard. Convict you
Speaker 2: just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And what's crazy is you know, even back
Speaker 1: in the Old Testament, you know, all the Israelites they
Speaker 1: hoped for resurrection from Shield, and even the non believers,
Speaker 1: whether they believe it or not, they're going to be
Speaker 1: resurrected too, but to a final judgment in eternal you know,
Speaker 1: damnation and fire. You know, first Thessalonians chapter four, verse sixteen,
Speaker 1: it says, with the sound of the trumpet of God,
Speaker 1: the dead in Christ shall rise first, so that there's
Speaker 1: you know, you know, obviously the righteous resurrection to their
Speaker 1: our new glorified heavenly body. You know. John chapter five,
Speaker 1: verse twenty eight through twenty nine, it says those in
Speaker 1: the tombs will come out, those who are righteous to
Speaker 1: the resurrection of life, the wicked to judgment. And you know,
Speaker 1: Daniel in that's Old Testament, chapter twelve, verse two just
Speaker 1: repeats the same thing. And the last one I got
Speaker 1: a acts chapter two, verse twenty seven says, you will
Speaker 1: not abandon my soul to hades, you know, Shield. So
Speaker 1: you know, back then they were even looking forward to
Speaker 1: to the resurrection and the bringing out of shie Al
Speaker 1: the land of the dead.
Speaker 2: So this is where I think things get a little
Speaker 2: dicier as we go along as far as the interpretations,
Speaker 2: because if we look at the Old Testament, it's very blatant.
Speaker 2: It very much says that you know, everybody goes to Sheol,
Speaker 2: that's where you go when you die. It's very gotten dry.
Speaker 2: The difference the thing that I have kind of come
Speaker 2: to believe, I think more than sorry, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: pull up on my my logos here still, I tell
Speaker 2: you what. As much as I love this, it's just
Speaker 2: got too much information, and I keep getting sidetracked in
Speaker 2: seven different ways.
Speaker 1: But and we're most divide at honestly, and I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of what you was building to. I'll just
Speaker 1: speak on it while you're topping there and trying to
Speaker 1: find it. But is we're the divide and opinions for
Speaker 1: the most part is some believe that that we are
Speaker 1: in rest until you know, Christ returns and then we're
Speaker 1: all to go to heaven final judgment. And then some
Speaker 1: believe you know that you know, we're you know, it
Speaker 1: says to be absent from the body, to be present
Speaker 1: with the Lord. Well that you know to them that
Speaker 1: means that they are in heaven with God. So I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of the so theological great divide the way.
Speaker 2: Well, and this is right, it is you're right. And
Speaker 2: I think that that's and I was raised Lutheran, which
Speaker 2: it always it always specified you either went to heaven
Speaker 2: or hell. That's where it was used or used. That
Speaker 2: was the way I was raised. But I think a
Speaker 2: big part of it is when you look at that.
Speaker 2: You look at when Jesus died, he said to that
Speaker 2: thief on the cross next to him, today, will be
Speaker 2: with me in paradise. Jesus died right, descended down into
Speaker 2: you know, the prayer would go. The prayer goes when
Speaker 2: you're in the luther Church. He descended into hell. On
Speaker 2: the third day he rose again, but he didn't descend
Speaker 2: into Hell. He descended into shield. What was interpreted later
Speaker 2: is hell. He descended into shield. But I believe at
Speaker 2: that time he went down and that's when he he
Speaker 2: declared victory over heaven. And when we talk about did
Speaker 2: you say that the the the believers, the dead in
Speaker 2: Christ shall rise first, I believe more that that's them
Speaker 2: being brought up to heaven, that that at that point
Speaker 2: Jesus declared victory Jesus said one. At that point, Jesus
Speaker 2: dying for us on the cross completed that that ends.
Speaker 2: Right at that point, there's no other there's no other
Speaker 2: battle to win. The war's already won the whole final
Speaker 2: judgment is coming. But it's coming for those watchers. It's
Speaker 2: coming for those those people that are still down in
Speaker 2: You want to call it Gna, you want to call it,
Speaker 2: you want to call it Tartarus, you know, Hades, you
Speaker 2: want to call it hell. But that final judgment's coming.
Speaker 2: When they're coming Shield, Yeah, but when they're coming.
Speaker 3: Pretty much what you're saying is Jesus come down, preached,
Speaker 3: declared victory, and he took everybody with paradise, and so
Speaker 3: the only things left is Hades.
Speaker 2: And if you look at the New Testament when they
Speaker 2: talk about Shield, actually shield doesn't get talked about as much.
Speaker 2: It's talked about a lot more in the Old Testament.
Speaker 2: It slows down a bit. New Testament when it talks
Speaker 2: about it, it more talks about a third heaven and
Speaker 2: a couple other things. It's kind of interesting the terminology.
Speaker 2: But there's actually a quote by another author, I really
Speaker 2: like I should see I'm really behind on pulling this
Speaker 2: stuff up faster when I'm in the middle of talking.
Speaker 3: But this.
Speaker 2: Guy, his name is Matthew Y Emerson, the bachelor's at
Speaker 2: Auburn PhD. Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. He's authored over twenty
Speaker 2: different publications. But this is a quote that I read
Speaker 2: from one of his articles that I thought was kind
Speaker 2: of interesting, and it says, now all those who die
Speaker 2: in Christ die knowing that death has already been defeated
Speaker 2: and Shield has already been decimated. We'll still wait for
Speaker 2: the Messiah, but now we wait for his second advent,
Speaker 2: not his first. This may be why the New Testament
Speaker 2: uses terms like third Heaven or sleep to refer to
Speaker 2: the resting place of the Lord's saints rather than sheeld.
Speaker 2: The intermediate state is no longer a place of darkness
Speaker 2: and gloom because the light of the world has entered it.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the way that I view that is,
Speaker 2: is that now Jesus has taken that, now that he's
Speaker 2: taken those people that were in Shield, those believers from
Speaker 2: Abraham's bosom, and now they're with him in Heaven, and
Speaker 2: that's go ahead.
Speaker 3: I guess it'd be more there with him in heaven,
Speaker 3: but maybe not in the presence of God yet.
Speaker 1: No, I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to unpack what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I believe that now. I believe they're there. I believe
Speaker 2: they're in the presence of God. At this point. I
Speaker 2: think that that when it talks about heaven, right, it
Speaker 2: talks about and exactly in the presence of that light.
Speaker 2: You know, there's no sun because God is so bright.
Speaker 2: That's the light that we're talking about. God is so
Speaker 2: bright He lights up everything. And actually, when we get
Speaker 2: over to this book again, well we'll get a couple
Speaker 2: of parts that I think kind of hedge on that
Speaker 2: a little bit and kind of add some some you know,
Speaker 2: we always like to add in and we talk about
Speaker 2: using those non biblical texts, but I think using some
Speaker 2: real life experiences from people too that help, you know,
Speaker 2: just solidify the fact there is a definitely a positive
Speaker 2: afterlife and a negative afterlife when it comes to God.
Speaker 2: So I think we'll get into that here in a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: But one thing, as want it was actually next on
Speaker 1: my list. It was being kind of funny, you know,
Speaker 1: it said I got my notes, said, is Grandma in
Speaker 1: heaven now? Or how about that hateful old man that
Speaker 1: lived down the street. Is he inhale? Now you know
Speaker 1: Sewo Corinthians five eighteen, we mentioned it once before, but
Speaker 1: you know it says, you know, absent from the body
Speaker 1: is to be present with the Lord. You know. Then
Speaker 1: Romans eight thirty eight says, not even death can separate
Speaker 1: us from the love of God. And then the next
Speaker 1: I got it, says Psalms one thirty nine, verse eight.
Speaker 1: It says, if I make my bed and she'll you
Speaker 1: are there, so it refers to a bed. So therefore
Speaker 1: rest Abraham's bosom is described as a place of rest
Speaker 1: and peace. And you know, the psiln must be saying,
Speaker 1: you know, if I make my bed and she oh,
Speaker 1: you are there. So therefore it still holds true to
Speaker 1: Sewo Corinthians five eighteen, absent from the body is to
Speaker 1: be present with the Lord. Because even Romans chapter eight,
Speaker 1: verse thirty eight. I just said, not even death can
Speaker 1: say separate us from the love of God, you know,
Speaker 1: So being in the presence of the Lord, you know,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, it doesn't prove that it is in
Speaker 1: quote unquote heaven. The Psalmist talks about God being with
Speaker 1: him and she old the land of the dead. You know,
Speaker 1: the Psalm just mentioned that. I just mentioned it refers
Speaker 1: to you know, the bed, and I said that earlier.
Speaker 1: I'm rereading my notes again. But Hebrews chapter twelve, verse
Speaker 1: one talks about a cloud of witnesses. You know, I
Speaker 1: know I've heard a lot of people say, you know,
Speaker 1: well that's you know, the righteous dead that's passed on.
Speaker 1: You know, they're cheering you on and watching from above.
Speaker 1: You know, my you know, since I've read Unseen Realm
Speaker 1: and been digging and stuff, you know, my paradigm has
Speaker 1: been shifting a little bit. I believe that that is
Speaker 1: the divine counsel because you know, Joe thirty eight, verse
Speaker 1: seven says this council was there at creation. You know,
Speaker 1: they are the you know, quote quote elder brothers. Hebrew
Speaker 1: chapter twelve, verse twenty three calls them the first born.
Speaker 1: You know, here we see the final Heaven. But this
Speaker 1: is at the end, you know, at the final trumpet,
Speaker 1: you know, the final Heaven you know that comes.
Speaker 3: Down, you know, heaven that comes sits on the new
Speaker 3: Earth exactly.
Speaker 1: Yes. Uh. But one thing I thought was interesting and
Speaker 1: I shared this with you when we was at the conference.
Speaker 1: I never seen this before, and when we study and
Speaker 1: I found it. But John chapter three, verse thirteen, Jesus
Speaker 1: himself says, no one has ascended into heaven except he
Speaker 1: who descended, the Son of Man. And at this point
Speaker 1: he was still alive, you know. So yeah, at that point,
Speaker 1: no one had ascended. But at that point he hadn't
Speaker 1: descended either. So it was Jesus speaking like prophetic looking
Speaker 1: ahead because you know, these things haven't happened yet, but
Speaker 1: he saw he knew they were coming. But later in
Speaker 1: that same book, chapter thirteen, verse thirty six, says, he's
Speaker 1: telling I can't remember it was Peter or who it was,
Speaker 1: but he says, you cannot follow me now, but you
Speaker 1: will follow afterward. After the final trumpet in revelation, the
Speaker 1: dead in him shall rise first. And that made me
Speaker 1: think too. Enoch and Elijah they quote unquote ascended, but
Speaker 1: Jesus said, no one has ascended into heaven.
Speaker 3: So it's like, or did they just go straight to paradise.
Speaker 3: That's what I was getting at. That's what I immediately thought.
Speaker 3: I said, they didn't have to live.
Speaker 1: They they they went to the good side of the
Speaker 1: land of the dead. You know what I thought of,
Speaker 1: and of course the famous one. And we've been, you know,
Speaker 1: dancing all around, you know one Peter three nineteen. You
Speaker 1: know Jesus in she ell slashed hardress.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Uh, well, let's just read that. We keep talking that.
Speaker 1: Let's just where is it first Peter three nineteen.
Speaker 3: So he went and preached to the spirits in prison,
Speaker 3: those who disobeyed God long ago, when God waited patiently
Speaker 3: while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were
Speaker 3: saved from drowning in that terrible flood. And that water
Speaker 3: is a picture of baptism, which now saves you not
Speaker 3: by removing dirt from your body, but as a response
Speaker 3: of God or to God from a clean conscience. It
Speaker 3: is affected or it is effective because of the resurrection
Speaker 3: of Jesus.
Speaker 1: Is Christ.
Speaker 3: Now Christ has gone to heaven, and he is seated
Speaker 3: in the place of honor next to God and all
Speaker 3: the angels and authorities and powers except his authority. Right.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, and that's one thing I think is
Speaker 1: you know, frustrating to me is like when you hear
Speaker 1: people or especially like you know, pastors, I don't know
Speaker 1: if they just don't know about Genesis six honestly, if
Speaker 1: they just don't know, or if they do and they're
Speaker 1: purposefully taking the supernatural out of it because it's it's well,
Speaker 1: we're comfortable, yeah, because I mean it says plainly he
Speaker 1: you know, went down and witness to the ones in prison, right,
Speaker 1: you know. And then in that same before the flood,
Speaker 1: that's all that, that's Genesis six, fallen angels, that's the
Speaker 1: reason why the flood can flom. I mean that the
Speaker 1: correlations are all pointing right at it, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's like and then they talk about, you know how
Speaker 1: I can't remember what's the one where it says he
Speaker 1: he led out There is one Peter three nineteen and
Speaker 1: Ephesians four eight and Psalm sixty eight eighteen. I'll talk
Speaker 1: about how he led a host of captives free. So
Speaker 1: the way I read it was like the good ones
Speaker 1: are in paradise. It's described as you know, you know,
Speaker 1: with the presence of the Lord. It's talked about, you know,
Speaker 1: just a place of rest and where all the righteous are.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like captives to me. So when he
Speaker 1: led a host of captives free, to me, it can't
Speaker 1: be the righteous in paradise, because how are you a
Speaker 1: prisoner or a captive in paradise.
Speaker 3: Well, I can see it. I can see it too. Ways.
Speaker 2: It says it's unescapable either way, right.
Speaker 3: Well I can I can see why. I can see
Speaker 3: it two ways. They it's either Christ worst, you know,
Speaker 3: he went down there and preached, you know, look at me.
Speaker 3: This is what I've done. He could have given the
Speaker 3: ones on the side of torment a second chance, you know,
Speaker 3: who's never heard of them before the flood whatever? Right, possibly,
Speaker 3: or I've also heard it argued as they might be
Speaker 3: in paradise, but they're still separated from God. So therefore
Speaker 3: that was the chains because they they were still chained
Speaker 3: because they were separated from God. So now they get
Speaker 3: to go to God. I've heard it. I've heard it
Speaker 3: both ways, and it just kind of makes you scratch it.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that that episode that me
Speaker 1: and you did right on the Law and then I
Speaker 1: got to dig it into that, you know, and it
Speaker 1: talks about and that was in the Law is Dead
Speaker 1: part two. But the ones of the that are the
Speaker 1: prisoners and that was set free is the ones that
Speaker 1: was prisoners to the Law of Moses. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I've heard it that way too, because Galatians.
Speaker 3: Three when we talked about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Galatians three ten says cursed be everyone who
Speaker 1: does not abide by all things written in the book
Speaker 1: of the Law of Moses. So therefore it's been called
Speaker 1: a curse. Galatians three twenty.
Speaker 3: Three is a curse because you can't you can't do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, Galatians three twenty three, before faith came,
Speaker 1: we were held captive under the law, and then it
Speaker 1: says imprisoned until the coming Faith would be revealed.
Speaker 3: So there that could have been Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: So what I say right there, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: the host of captives he led free? Where was the
Speaker 1: living that was captive and prisoners? As Glatians specifically says
Speaker 1: it to the law. But my side of it was
Speaker 1: excluding the dead.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not talking just the paradise.
Speaker 1: No, I mean not even that, because I mean I'm not.
Speaker 3: So the law is no more, not not shill at all.
Speaker 3: You're saying that now because of Christ, they're not bound
Speaker 3: by the law, the chains of the law that they
Speaker 3: don't the law doesn't apply anymore, so therefore they're not
Speaker 3: judged by the law.
Speaker 1: My my opinion was is when we die, we go
Speaker 1: to shield and there's divides righteous and good, and then
Speaker 1: there's tardress underneath and it's a place of rest and
Speaker 1: peace and stuff for the righteous. And the captives that
Speaker 1: he led free was the ones that are now living
Speaker 1: us because we were once coordin to Galatians. We were cursed,
Speaker 1: we were once captive, and we were imprisoned, all the law,
Speaker 1: all the things that it says that he freed from.
Speaker 1: So now I'm not saying that, you know, Christ and
Speaker 1: God is now you know, present with them in paradise,
Speaker 1: because even it said that God walked amongst Adam and
Speaker 1: Eve in the garden before. So I'm just saying, but
Speaker 1: you know, so that that could fix the whole, you know,
Speaker 1: to be absent from the bodies, to be present with
Speaker 1: the Lord and because and the only reason I do
Speaker 1: that is just because by my interpretation of the scripture,
Speaker 1: because that that makes the revelation in trump at work,
Speaker 1: because the other ways don't work. Because I mean, if
Speaker 1: we've already went to heaven, when he comes back and
Speaker 1: blows the final trumpet, it says the dead in him
Speaker 1: shall rise first. Well, if you if he led a
Speaker 1: host of captives free already there's nobody dead to be
Speaker 1: raised up because they're already gone.
Speaker 2: I think that's why it's really important though, because I like,
Speaker 2: we all have different views on these different ideas and
Speaker 2: and how we put them together. You know, we all
Speaker 2: dig into this information and we take different tidbits from it,
Speaker 2: and we're we're working our best at interpreting things and
Speaker 2: in our new with our new glasses, on our our
Speaker 2: our spiritual supernatural worldview. But that's that's a big part
Speaker 2: of what we've been focused on with this whole group.
Speaker 2: That's what we founded it on. And on top of that,
Speaker 2: you know, check out our Facebook group. You know, it's
Speaker 2: the dig Bible podcast on Facebook. And and we just
Speaker 2: love diving into this stuff. We're gonna disagree, and that's okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's okay. The whole point is not that we disagree.
Speaker 2: The whole point is that we're digging into the word.
Speaker 2: We're we're sharpening each other. What we say, iron sharpens iron.
Speaker 2: We always say that. I mean, honestly, you.
Speaker 1: Hear a piece of lead, you hit a piece of lead,
Speaker 1: that's the inside joke.
Speaker 2: But but iron sharpens iron. So the more and more
Speaker 2: that we look into this. The more and more we
Speaker 2: put our ideas out there, don't don't think that you
Speaker 2: know you have an idea, share it.
Speaker 3: You might.
Speaker 2: You might be opening somebody's eyes. You might be helping
Speaker 2: us along that path. And I think it's just so
Speaker 2: important that we.
Speaker 1: Keep bouncing ideas of yes so much.
Speaker 2: And it's okay, no if.
Speaker 1: We say something you don't agree with, you know, as
Speaker 1: long as you're not coming at us. But you know
Speaker 1: you false prophets, just like you know, hey, I like
Speaker 1: the show, but you know on this point, I think
Speaker 1: it's this And that's fine, and that's fine. We'll talk
Speaker 1: back and forth about it and we you might have
Speaker 1: something we never thought about and we will shake your
Speaker 1: hand digitally and thank.
Speaker 3: You for it.
Speaker 2: In one Peter three point fifteen. Right now, we talk
Speaker 2: about this all the time to say that, be prepared
Speaker 2: to give a reason for the hope you have, but
Speaker 2: do it with gentleness and respect. So when we do this,
Speaker 2: we can have differing point of views. That's okay, we
Speaker 2: can have that, but we have to say it in
Speaker 2: a way that that you know, we're just trying to
Speaker 2: help each other out. This isn't this isn't a hateful place.
Speaker 2: This isn't an idea to shoot people's ideas down or
Speaker 2: a place to shoot that down for pier people. No,
Speaker 2: this the whole point of this is to help build
Speaker 2: each other up, to help us dig further into the Word.
Speaker 2: And because I don't agree with your idea, it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean you're wrong. I might be wrong.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: We won't know till we get there. But that's the
Speaker 2: whole point of this. So we want to make sure
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Speaker 2: I would give justin tons of props on how he
Speaker 2: put that together. Honest to goodness, we're not as professional
Speaker 2: as that website makes us look. It's unreal, But it's
Speaker 2: just it's a good, safe place to bounce ideas off
Speaker 2: other Christians that we can kind of help each other
Speaker 2: through this and help keep learning. So I think that's
Speaker 2: just an important part to kind of segue in as
Speaker 2: we as we keep going.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you said it beautifully. Couldn't agree more. Ah,
Speaker 1: even if I did disagree, I do oh about said disrespectful,
Speaker 1: I mean respectfully. Well, I guess h power on through.
Speaker 1: Let's take a look at We're gonna go into Lazarus
Speaker 1: and the rich Man. So you got your bibles with you.
Speaker 1: Check out Luke chapter sixteen, starting in verse nineteen. This
Speaker 1: is the rich Man and Lazarus parable from Jesus. He says,
Speaker 1: there was a rich man who was clothed in purple
Speaker 1: and fine linen, and who feasted sumptuously every day. And
Speaker 1: at his gait was laid a poor man named Lazarth,
Speaker 1: covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what
Speaker 1: fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dog
Speaker 1: came and licked his sores. The poor man died and
Speaker 1: was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich
Speaker 1: man also died and was buried and in hades. Being
Speaker 1: in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham
Speaker 1: from far off in Lazarreth at his side, and he
Speaker 1: called out, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send
Speaker 1: Lazareth to dip the end of his finger in water
Speaker 1: and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in
Speaker 1: this flame. But Abraham said, child, remember that in your
Speaker 1: lifetime received good things in Lazareth in like manner bad things.
Speaker 1: But now he is comforted here and you are in English.
Speaker 1: And besides all this between us and you, a great
Speaker 1: chasm has been fixed in order that those who would
Speaker 1: pass from here to you may not be able, and
Speaker 1: none may cross from there to us. And he said,
Speaker 1: then I beg you father, to send him to my
Speaker 1: father's house, for I have five brothers, so that they
Speaker 1: may warn them least they also come into this place
Speaker 1: of torment. But Abraham said, they have Moses and the prophets.
Speaker 1: Let them hear them. And he said, no, father Abraham,
Speaker 1: but if someone goes to them from the dead, they
Speaker 1: will repent. He said to him. If they do not
Speaker 1: hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced
Speaker 1: if someone should rise from the dead. So, like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's you know a couple of things that stand out,
Speaker 1: Like to me, you get the whole concept of the cosmology,
Speaker 1: like we've already talked about. You know, you have the
Speaker 1: good section, the bad section, the chasm in between. It
Speaker 1: says that no man may enter or leave these places
Speaker 1: once they're in.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So to me, it's like they can't crossover. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that that debunks the whole ghost theory. You know,
Speaker 1: once you're there, you're there, you leaving, and he even requests,
Speaker 1: you know, one of them. He even even requests Abraham,
Speaker 1: you know, to go and talk to his brothers, and
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, they ain't gonna listen to the prophets,
Speaker 1: they ain't gonna listen to the dead. And as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, we can't even go if we wanted to.
Speaker 1: You know, it's basically what he told him. So you
Speaker 1: get to see the cosmology and stuff of the different
Speaker 1: chambers and stuff like that. I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 2: No, I think that's amazing. It's amazing every time that
Speaker 2: we look at this, and you know, the Bible gives
Speaker 2: us everything we need to know, and then it gives
Speaker 2: us a glimpse into everything else. And that's why we
Speaker 2: always say that we have to keep digging into it
Speaker 2: to keep learning, because there's so many other references throughout
Speaker 2: the Bible where you can jump back and forth and
Speaker 2: find these these other keys that help you keep going
Speaker 2: in that direction, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was looking through to see I got
Speaker 1: all kinds of little highlights and notes.
Speaker 2: I had another verse on this too that was really.
Speaker 1: Which with my notes of course, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: I told you kind of my view on it. So
Speaker 1: I mean, but it said ancient Israelites believed in three
Speaker 1: heavens or realms or dimensions. It says here the Great Versus,
Speaker 1: the righteous Man was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom,
Speaker 1: while the other was in torment and Hades, you know,
Speaker 1: you know Shield, but Abraham's bosom, you know, could that
Speaker 1: be the second heaven? You know Eden, you know shield
Speaker 1: under the ground above Tartarus, the great divide being, you know,
Speaker 1: like the firmament, the first heaven, you know, while the
Speaker 1: third heaven, you know, where God presides himself in the
Speaker 1: third Heaven, you know, this is where Jesus is preparing
Speaker 1: his place for us, you know, the new Jerusalem that
Speaker 1: comes down when Heaven and new Earth is created. Just
Speaker 1: you have heard of proposals.
Speaker 3: I've heard, yeah, I've heard. I can't remember where I
Speaker 3: heard it from. But they were talking like you know,
Speaker 3: picture floors in heaven, and like God was, you know,
Speaker 3: up there in the penthouse his throne room, and then
Speaker 3: like the angels and whatever had their own floors that
Speaker 3: they were mostly on. But it definitely makes you.
Speaker 2: To go back just a little bit, a little bit
Speaker 2: on what you were saying with Lazarrith and the rich man, right,
Speaker 2: Isaiah fourteen nine, This is one that I thought kind
Speaker 2: of fit that place a little bit. But this is
Speaker 2: it was actually a taunt at the King of Babylon, right,
Speaker 2: And it says, in the place of the dead, there
Speaker 2: is excitement over your arrival. The spirits of the world
Speaker 2: leaders and the mighty kings long dead stand up to
Speaker 2: you talking about going to hell. I'm sorry talking about
Speaker 2: going to hell. When it was talking about the taunt
Speaker 2: for the King of Babylon, the talking about going to hell,
Speaker 2: that part wasn't in the verse, but it was a
Speaker 2: taunt talking about when you do get there, when you
Speaker 2: get to that, you know that bad side of shield
Speaker 2: that those other and I love that it points that out.
Speaker 2: And you know, you think about so much in the Bible,
Speaker 2: we talk about how you know it was written back
Speaker 2: at a certain in time, but it still speaks to
Speaker 2: us today, and it says right there, it says, the
Speaker 2: spirits of world leaders and mighty kings long dead. So
Speaker 2: those corrupt people in high places right, they're waiting in
Speaker 2: shield for all those other ones to come down. It's
Speaker 2: they're just it's it's ultimately it's pretty prophetic, but it's
Speaker 2: really sad. Well loves company, misery loves company. But it's
Speaker 2: just really sad to think that even the you know
Speaker 2: are as much as I you know, you'd like to
Speaker 2: think you can help everybody get to heaven. We all
Speaker 2: want everybody to go to heaven.
Speaker 3: In the end, we do.
Speaker 2: I mean, I I want my very the people that
Speaker 2: hate me the very most, I still would love them
Speaker 2: to go to heaven because in the end, that's what
Speaker 2: it's all about. No one, no one should be in hell.
Speaker 2: No one should be. But in the end, it's sad
Speaker 2: that this is prophetic telling us that the future, you know,
Speaker 2: that that there are people that are not going to
Speaker 2: be helped, that are not going to get get there,
Speaker 2: that are not and and and there's nothing there. I mean,
Speaker 2: to to some degree, there's nothing we can do about it.
Speaker 2: But our mission is to try and do the best
Speaker 2: we can to get as many people. We always talk
Speaker 2: about that too, is is you know, the whole point
Speaker 2: is to empty out Hell and fill up heaven. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's the main focus of what we're doing here is
Speaker 2: to give people the view of it, to let them
Speaker 2: understand the world is supernatural. We're seeing it all around us.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm getting off subject again, but the world
Speaker 2: is supernatural. It's all around us. We can see it.
Speaker 2: It's there. People understand there's supernatural things happening around us
Speaker 2: right now. And if they go to certain churches or
Speaker 2: or into certain groups like oh no, that that's not
Speaker 2: that's not real, that's not then that's going to turn
Speaker 2: them away from God. The truth is, the supernatural stuff
Speaker 2: is all around us. It's always and there's well, we talked.
Speaker 3: About most churches, only pick a few, but we talk
Speaker 3: about Daniel and then that's you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's the thing with the church nowadays is the
Speaker 1: Christian people have a supernatural worldview, but only when it
Speaker 1: comes to Christ and Christ only. You know, they believe
Speaker 1: in the Immaculate Conception and the resurrection and all these
Speaker 1: miracles that Jesus done. But when you want to talk
Speaker 1: about demons, falling angels and the like, no, they don't
Speaker 1: believe in that. But now there's a heaven, there's a hell.
Speaker 2: Well going right with what you're saying, going right with
Speaker 2: what you're saying. That I think is the biggest problem
Speaker 2: is it shows you that most of the Christian population
Speaker 2: is fine just going to church hearing what they hear
Speaker 2: and not reading it and digging into.
Speaker 3: Their bier and to what they want to hear.
Speaker 2: Well, they hear what they want to hear, but they're
Speaker 2: not reading the Bible. All this stuff is plainly put there.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I'm any better than anybody else,
Speaker 2: to be honest, not until we started doing this did
Speaker 2: I start really getting serious about reading my Bible and
Speaker 2: getting getting slapped in the face and convicted all the
Speaker 2: time by reading that. I mean all the time, I'm
Speaker 2: reading things that just jump out the page at me
Speaker 2: and slap me in the face. And I'm sitting there going, oh,
Speaker 2: you're right, should be in the word all the time,
Speaker 2: And I wasn't. I mean I'm literally talking six months
Speaker 2: ago I wasn't, and now I'm I'm reading that Bible.
Speaker 2: I try to read it every day, and if I don't,
Speaker 2: if I don't read it every day, it's six days
Speaker 2: a week. And I'm not saying I'm that that's better
Speaker 2: than anybody else. Does or whatever else. It's not. The
Speaker 2: thing is is that it took me. I'm forty two
Speaker 2: years old. It took me forty two years to get
Speaker 2: to that point, along with some pretty rough life experiences
Speaker 2: that push you to that point to get you to
Speaker 2: that point. And you know, God is we got to
Speaker 2: listen to God. God. We have to let God talk
Speaker 2: to us. We have to listen to Him. And like
Speaker 2: I said, I think for a long time I was
Speaker 2: trying to hear what I wanted to hear, and now
Speaker 2: I'm hearing God tell me. I'm taking the time to
Speaker 2: listen to what God actually is telling me, and it
Speaker 2: gives me a piece that I have not had for
Speaker 2: in my life ever. And I'm being that one hundred
Speaker 2: percent serious about that. I have never had the peace
Speaker 2: that I have right now. Even with all the things
Speaker 2: that have recently happened, I have not had the peace
Speaker 2: that I have right now. But anyway, let's back this up.
Speaker 2: I took us so far off track, took us so
Speaker 2: far off track. But uh, we're gonna go into I
Speaker 2: think First Enoch now, so justin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, First Enoch. It goes more into the the cosmology
Speaker 1: and stuff of the Bible and what the you know,
Speaker 1: the Israelites believed. But first Enoch chapter twenty two, it says,
Speaker 1: and thence I went to another place, and he showed
Speaker 1: me in the west another great and high mountain of
Speaker 1: hard rock, and there was in it four hollow places,
Speaker 1: deep and wide, and every smooth. How smooth are the
Speaker 1: hollow places and deep and dark to look at. Then
Speaker 1: Raphael answered one of the holy angels who was with me,
Speaker 1: and said to me, these hollow places have been created
Speaker 1: for this very purpose, that the spirits of the souls
Speaker 1: of the dead should assemble therein Yeah, that all the
Speaker 1: souls of children of men should assemble here. And these
Speaker 1: places have been made to receive them till the day
Speaker 1: of their judgment, until their appointed period, till the period
Speaker 1: appointed till the great judgment comes upon them. I saw
Speaker 1: the spirits of children of men who were dead, and
Speaker 1: their voice went forth to heaven and made suit. Then
Speaker 1: I asked Raphael, the angel who was with me, and
Speaker 1: I said, unto him, this spirit, whose is it? Whose
Speaker 1: voice goes forth and maketh suit? And he answered me, saying,
Speaker 1: this is the spirit which came forth from Abel, whom
Speaker 1: his brother came slew. And he makes his suit against
Speaker 1: him to his seed is destroyed from the face of
Speaker 1: the earth, and his seed is annihilated from amongst the
Speaker 1: seed of men. Then I asked, regarding it, and regarding
Speaker 1: all the hollow places, why is one separated from the other.
Speaker 1: And he answered me and said, unto me, these three
Speaker 1: have been made that the spirits of the dead might
Speaker 1: be separated. And such divisions has been made for the
Speaker 1: spirits of the righteous, in which there as the bright
Speaker 1: spring of water. And such has been made for sinners,
Speaker 1: when they die and are buried in the earth, and
Speaker 1: judgment has not been executed on them in their lifetime.
Speaker 1: Here their spirits shall set apart in the great pain
Speaker 1: till the great day of judgment, and punishment and torment
Speaker 1: of those who curse forever and retribution for the spirits
Speaker 1: there He shall bind them forever. And such a division
Speaker 1: has been made for the spirits of those who who
Speaker 1: make their suit, who make disclosures concerning their destruction when
Speaker 1: they were slain in the days of sinners. Such has
Speaker 1: been made for the spirits of men who are not righteous,
Speaker 1: but sinners who were complete in transgression, and other transgressors.
Speaker 1: They shall be companions, but their spirit, but their spirits
Speaker 1: shall not be slain in the day of judgment, nor
Speaker 1: shall they be raised from thence then I bless the
Speaker 1: Lord of Glory, and said, blessed be my Lord, the
Speaker 1: Lord of Righteousness, who rule us forever. And that's the
Speaker 1: end of chapter twenty two. So when you count them,
Speaker 1: there's four hollow places in the Book of Enoch. You
Speaker 1: had one for the children of men, which able makes
Speaker 1: the suit for them. A second one was for the righteous,
Speaker 1: a third was for the sinners, and then was for
Speaker 1: the rebellious sons of God.
Speaker 2: Tartarus a game es six. Yeah, wild, that is that
Speaker 2: is wild. Actually I showed you guys, and we'll put
Speaker 2: it up here at that point on the Facebook page.
Speaker 2: Kind of an interpretation that that I'm trying to remember
Speaker 2: what the name of that was now, but interpretation illustration,
Speaker 2: i should say, of of what that actually looked like.
Speaker 2: And it was their Clearance Lark and biblical illustrations, and
Speaker 2: they have a he's a pretty interesting picture of you
Speaker 2: with that, not saying either way, take it for what
Speaker 2: it's worth, but it's just another person's opinion on how
Speaker 2: that would look. So we'll put that up When this
Speaker 2: is going out and that way, you guys can kind
Speaker 2: of have a have a illustration. I'm a visual person,
Speaker 2: so that helps me along as well.
Speaker 1: But what do you guys think about the the first
Speaker 1: hollow place that it mentions, It says, you know, it
Speaker 1: was made for the children of men and that able
Speaker 1: makes suit for them. That one kind of made me
Speaker 1: think for a while and scratch my head. I'm just
Speaker 1: curious what you else come up with.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if that's talking oh you go ahead, sorry.
Speaker 3: What if that's talking about children who die but has
Speaker 3: not they're not to the age of.
Speaker 1: What's it called accountability?
Speaker 2: Accountability or absolution is what the Baptists called the age
Speaker 2: of absolution.
Speaker 3: Which what that age is I had no idea, but
Speaker 3: you know, to where the you know, they're still they
Speaker 3: don't know what's truly right and wrong. Yet they don't
Speaker 3: there's still at a childish state.
Speaker 1: That's definitely something that comes to mind. That's what I was,
Speaker 1: That's what was in my thinking when you said that
Speaker 1: vac sense. I mean, because it says the children of
Speaker 1: me and so obviously there's a separate place in nursery
Speaker 1: in chield.
Speaker 2: And that that's a good point, because that's the the
Speaker 2: you know, we talk a lot about We've kind of
Speaker 2: talked about some of that stuff indirectly, but like baptism
Speaker 2: and things of that nature. You know, people think, you know,
Speaker 2: certain certain churches believe that, you know, because of our
Speaker 2: c our sinful nature, that we have to be baptized
Speaker 2: as an infant to make sure that we get to Heaven.
Speaker 2: Where I I don't believe that because before if you
Speaker 2: look at David, David had an infant that died, and
Speaker 2: I can't I don't have the verses rap I had.
Speaker 2: But King David had an infant that died.
Speaker 3: With Sheba the first and and he wept, and he wept.
Speaker 2: And cried, but says, I will see you again when
Speaker 2: I when when I pass on. So he knew that
Speaker 2: that that that baby, that that infant was going to
Speaker 2: be in heaven, even though that baby doesn't have the
Speaker 2: wherewithal to say, oh, I accept Jesus is my Lord
Speaker 2: and Savior. I firmly believe. And we've talked a little
Speaker 2: bit about this before, is that when you're that young,
Speaker 2: you have not willfully sinned yet, you haven't made that
Speaker 2: like we have willfully sinned. We have done things we
Speaker 2: know are wrong at that age, when you're an infant,
Speaker 2: when you're a baby, when you're I don't know exactly
Speaker 2: at what age you all of a sudden know that
Speaker 2: what you did is wrong until mommy and Daddy tells you.
Speaker 2: But you don't know what's right and wrong with that point,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. There's a point when all
Speaker 2: of a sudden you understand. But if you're an infant,
Speaker 2: you're a day old, right, you haven't You are born
Speaker 2: with a sinful nature, but at that point you have
Speaker 2: not willfully sinned. So I believe fully that God has
Speaker 2: a veil of protection over infants and the or for example,
Speaker 2: children who have been aborted or things of that nature.
Speaker 2: I fully believe that we will see all of them
Speaker 2: in heaven. I fully believe that.
Speaker 1: Oh just think, so.
Speaker 3: He's up there ables trying to what say, wiping the
Speaker 3: blood line out.
Speaker 1: When I said, he's making suit for these children, you know,
Speaker 1: until you know, I guess Kane's bloodline is.
Speaker 3: Okay, Cane okay, insaid, Just think about all these people
Speaker 3: who have if you know it was gone, going after
Speaker 3: their own bloodlines.
Speaker 1: That'd be kind of rough. What I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: was when he was talking about the whole child baptism thing.
Speaker 1: Have you seen some of the videos of that sprinkling. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen some violent ones, man, I mean
Speaker 1: like infants grabbing them by the arm and dunking the
Speaker 1: them like slamming. I seen one this priest. He was
Speaker 1: like body slamming this infant in this water like four times,
Speaker 1: and the parents are sitting there like, oh my God.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, he must have known their parents. He
Speaker 1: must have known their parents and make sure the sins
Speaker 1: of the father are getting washed off that thing.
Speaker 3: I would say, say four times. I was family issues
Speaker 3: going there.
Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of like the whoopings, you know, the
Speaker 1: birthday wolpings. You get an extra one for one to
Speaker 1: grow on. He got the father son, Holy Spirit. And
Speaker 1: just in case I missed a spot, but don't I.
Speaker 2: Was only sprinkled. My friend. I was baptisted. We were
Speaker 2: raised Lutherans, so we baptize their infants and you have
Speaker 2: you know, you would have your sponsors. They would always
Speaker 2: have sponsors and uh, it's my my uncle, Warren, aunt
Speaker 2: Karen or my sponsors. And they're the ones that answer
Speaker 2: like a so they come and they answer for you.
Speaker 2: I don't know how. I mean, I'd have to look
Speaker 2: more into that. But Baptism and the Lutheran as far
Speaker 2: as from the Lutheran is one of the one of
Speaker 2: the true sacraments, like it's it's a crucial thing as
Speaker 2: an infant where you know, you think about Baptists, where
Speaker 2: Baptists it has to be your volitional ye after you,
Speaker 2: it's after you accept Christ, and that's the and that's
Speaker 2: the same thing with you know, we're non denominational, and
Speaker 2: I've been another non denominational churches too, and it's usually
Speaker 2: more of that Baptist line of thinking where you have
Speaker 2: to make that choice and it's a true submersion rather
Speaker 2: than a sprinkling or something of that nature. But you
Speaker 2: have to make that choice. And I and in the end,
Speaker 2: I kind of understand that because when we get to
Speaker 2: that point where we get to the age where we
Speaker 2: understand right and wrong, we understand heaven and Hell, we
Speaker 2: understand all those things, we have to make a conscious
Speaker 2: choice are we going to follow Jesus? So we're going
Speaker 2: to follow our earthly desires, And so that makes sense.
Speaker 2: You know, your baptism is a symbolic is a symbolic
Speaker 2: way of showing God that you are His. Is a
Speaker 2: way that committing yourself to the Lord. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: really what it is. It's committing yourself of the Lord.
Speaker 1: But like Derek Gilbert said in our episode, you know
Speaker 1: he talked about you know that John the Baptist, the
Speaker 1: actual location where he was doing that was in the
Speaker 1: land of Bashan, and it was an act of spiritual warfare.
Speaker 3: You know that.
Speaker 1: You know, when you die, you go down to shield,
Speaker 1: which was the waters the Abuso sivilized chaos, and that
Speaker 1: you come back up you're resurrected with a new, you know,
Speaker 1: heavenly body. And these fallen angels and watchers that you know,
Speaker 1: wanted to live the eternal life. I have to sit
Speaker 1: back and watch and resurrection is denied to them.
Speaker 2: Now I gotta find this because I think it My gosh,
Speaker 2: we get off base and then I start remembering other
Speaker 2: things that I think are really important when we're talking
Speaker 2: about it. But there's a verse in Acts, which I've
Speaker 2: been telling these guys, that's what I've been hid into
Speaker 2: lately and just delving into it really deep. But there's
Speaker 2: a verse in Acts that talks about Paul going into
Speaker 2: a city and and and trying to see if these
Speaker 2: people had the Holy Spirit, and it said, no, you've
Speaker 2: only had John's baptism. You've not been baptized with the
Speaker 2: Lord Jesus Christ. So we talk a lot about baptism,
Speaker 2: and it's something I want to go into more in
Speaker 2: the future. But with when it says they did not
Speaker 2: have the Holy Spirit because they had John's baptism of water, right,
Speaker 2: they weren't baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Or
Speaker 2: and does that mean necessarily were they, you know, baptized
Speaker 2: in the water or is it talking about a baptism
Speaker 2: of by the Holy Spirit, like as in Pentecost when
Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit came upon them and they had the
Speaker 2: you know, the the flames on top of them. Is
Speaker 2: baptism of the Holy Spirit a spiritual thing as opposed
Speaker 2: to a and I mean it's spiritual either way, but
Speaker 2: as opposed to this symbolic you know, John was was
Speaker 2: giving them a symbolic rebirth, right, John the baptist was
Speaker 2: it was a symbolic rebirth. He's done in the water.
Speaker 2: Like you have said, you're going to commit yourself to
Speaker 2: to the Lord. You know that that that Jesus is coming.
Speaker 2: You know he was, he was He was the one,
Speaker 2: you know, paving the road for Jesus coming. That's what
Speaker 2: That's what John was.
Speaker 1: Well, it was a cleansing because even like a lot
Speaker 1: of people miss and I love how doctor Michael Heiser
Speaker 1: talked about it, the sacrifices and stuff in the temple
Speaker 1: was not it was for It was basically like a
Speaker 1: temporary cleansing to make you holy before you went into
Speaker 1: the temple. You know on Earth is God's temple. Yes,
Speaker 1: And that was all old covenant stuff. You know, Jesus
Speaker 1: came new covenant, so new uh, cleansing. I guess you
Speaker 1: could look at it that way.
Speaker 2: Well, Jesus gave us the permanent cleansing. That was the thing.
Speaker 2: We don't need those sacrifices post Jesus, but that that
Speaker 2: that blood of that flawless animal, whatever it was, whether
Speaker 2: it was a dove, whether it was a lamb, whatever
Speaker 2: it was, that was giving. That was That was you
Speaker 2: were putting your sin, your your sin, your sinful nature.
Speaker 2: I'm that animal and being temporarily made clean. It's almost
Speaker 2: like the version of Catholic confession in a way. If
Speaker 2: you think about it. You know, you're getting everything off
Speaker 2: your chest and saying I did all this, now you're forgiven. Okay,
Speaker 2: now this week, I did all this. Now I got
Speaker 2: to go back and do it again. That's the same
Speaker 2: kind of thing.
Speaker 1: It makes you wonder if the Pharisees had some kind
Speaker 1: of like inner monopoly going on with the farmers.
Speaker 2: It may be, but you know they ate. Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which we got off track like we normally do.
Speaker 1: But one thing I thought about it yet back, I'll
Speaker 1: do it this time, let's back it up, all right.
Speaker 1: But one thing I thought about it, of course I did.
Speaker 1: I thought about what Ben was saying. But then I
Speaker 1: was like, well, what's the significance that Abel is making
Speaker 1: suit for them?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Could it be that these were murdered children? Are these
Speaker 1: aborted children or just murdered?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it would be the murdered aboarded children
Speaker 3: on top of infants dying after birth or or.
Speaker 2: Being able to make that decision, or a one and.
Speaker 3: A half year old got in a car wreck and.
Speaker 1: Passed away. But that's the one thing I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, because the Bible don't throw no junk at you, right,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean there's stuff's in there for a reason.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, that was me. You know,
Speaker 1: my wife tells me, I think too deep into it.
Speaker 2: That was Enoch. That wasn't the Bible.
Speaker 1: It said that well Jesus quoted. If it's good enough
Speaker 1: for Jesus, it's good enough for me. But it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, why why was able making seats? Well? Abel
Speaker 1: was murdered. Maybe these maybe these he's the first.
Speaker 2: Murder you know, he was the first person murdered. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's an interesting thought, I think. But I think that
Speaker 2: that's a good way of looking at it because I
Speaker 2: think in some in some way because I've never gone
Speaker 2: you know, we've all had bad things happen to us
Speaker 2: in our lives, we all have. But I am blessed
Speaker 2: to say that I have never had I've never lost
Speaker 2: a child or something that I can't even imagine what
Speaker 2: someone goes through, the heartbreak that what would that I
Speaker 2: can't even fathom that. I mean, that just puts you
Speaker 2: in a different realm. And to have the comfort to
Speaker 2: know that that child's in heaven, that that child's waiting
Speaker 2: for you, I think has to be something really powerful
Speaker 2: for people who have gone through that to know that
Speaker 2: they're actually the lucky ones because they have their they
Speaker 2: have their they're with God already. We you know, we're
Speaker 2: still we're still working our way through this life. But
Speaker 2: they're with God already. And that's that's got to be
Speaker 2: a powerful and a blessing to some people who have
Speaker 2: had to go through that, because I don't know how
Speaker 2: you would otherwise not knowing that they're with God. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have that, well, you don't just have you know,
Speaker 2: there was a time.
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine, yeah, not being a believer,
Speaker 1: this is it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I just think that's that's
Speaker 2: profound though.
Speaker 1: And I told a non believer one time. We were
Speaker 1: having a discussion, and I told them, I said, if
Speaker 1: let's just say if if I'm wrong, I'm taught to
Speaker 1: love my neighbors, I love myself, to forgive, to be charitable,
Speaker 1: you know, to do all these you know, things that
Speaker 1: make the world around me a better place. And if
Speaker 1: everybody around me that says they're a Christian does the same,
Speaker 1: they're making the world around them a better place. And
Speaker 1: it's a ripple effect. And can you imagine how much
Speaker 1: better this world will be if everybody did. And then
Speaker 1: in the end, if I'm wrong, I ain't lost nothing
Speaker 1: but you that don't believe you've lost everything? You know,
Speaker 1: even if if you want to just look at it
Speaker 1: from a technical you know, betting man's logic, What do
Speaker 1: you got to lose everything?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Mama said, better to have it not need
Speaker 3: it than need it not have it.
Speaker 2: I thought you said you're playing the foosball behind my
Speaker 2: back again, Bobby bullshit.
Speaker 3: Well that's the devil.
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