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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I Am Deaf Valley coming at

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you with the one, the only, the certified, fantabulous, mister

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Grant Hughes. We are here to talk about the Knicks

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head coaching search. We will do a separate podcast about

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their offseason look ahead. We wanted to separate the two

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just because the coaching thing feels like it could become

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more dated at any point, or hell, at this ry,

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maybe the Knicks go through the off season without hiring

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a head coach and figure it out at the last minute. Grant,

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before we kind of dive in here, how the heck

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are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm gleefully anticipating just discussing the Knicks and the off

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season with you. So I'm just excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive in. So we're gonna start here, and I'm

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gonna go on a little bit of a long winded

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spiel for a second. Should the Knicks have had more

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of a concrete replacement for Tom Tibadau in mine when

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they fired him? Was a stance that I assumed because

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of the reporting that's come out about and anyone who's

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listened or watched this podcast in the past knows that

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I am not someone who considers themselves a TIBs guy,

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but I haven't necessarily understood the process. But I wasn't

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really thinking about it because I'm looking at the names

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that are popping up, and as Grant and I sit

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here and record this, the Knicks have inquired about the

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availability of Billy Donovan, Chris Finch, Jason Kidd, Quinn Snyder,

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Ime Udoka, Ken Coach Carter, Samuel L. Jackson, and Red Arbek.

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They've been rejected for all of those guys. I want

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to make a couple of things clear before I'm about

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to eat my own words, and I did on Blue

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Sky and Twitter the other night. This is objectively hysterical.

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are being made at the Knicks's expense for this, I

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don't know. It's hysterical that this is being leaked, whether

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it's from the Knicks, from the teams that are hearing

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from the Knicks, it's just really funny. Now. However, I

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had to take that this was turning into a farce,

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and the reporting on it kind of is turning into

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a farce. We don't need to necessarily hear all these updates,

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but we are because it's the Knicks. And so I

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had said, this is a farce. How do you get

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rid of tib because you're either a deluded enough to

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think that you're going to hire any of these coaches

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who already employed, or you just think that anyone's an

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upgrade over Tom Tippoteau, which is sort of a danger

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zone and like the latter could still just be true.

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But people were mad at me on social media, and

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as someone who it's hard to admit when you're wrong,

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like I have an ego just like anybody else, I

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admitted I was wrong and said this does just fall

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under due diligence. I don't think if I had to guess,

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and this is an educated guess, Grant teams are not

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this aggressive when it comes to reaching out, typically to

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teams like already employed head coaches, and I guess at

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this rate, like you might as well ask you about

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Mark Degnault, especially if the Thunder lose in the finals, right,

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So I wanted your impressions just on that before we

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dig a little deeper. But I wanted to say that

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this is what did we make fun of the Kings for?

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What did we make fun of even the like what

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we made the King right, But the Kings went and

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they it seems like they didn't stage a very thorough

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search before, just said Doug Christy, and I think when

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he's in, and the same with Denver, like when you

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a feel for them, I think that's fine. But I

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saw Sam Quinn posted this, and this was kind of

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the It wasn't a gotcha, Dan, but it wasn't at

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me to begin with. But we posted on Twitter saying

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what would we have thought if a week after firing

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Tom Thibodeau the Knicks had it interviewed like ten different

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assistant head coaches and not picked one. We would not

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have thought anything of it. I don't believe. And so

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it's objectively okay that the Knicks didn't have, like you

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two circled in the bag and you better be like

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sure that you can find an upgrade over coach X

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for whatever reason. And I do still have some concerns,

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of those messages streaming behind it that said, like Reggie

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Miller stop pursuing married women or something like that, this

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is the thing that happened. And it's like New York Knicks,

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stop pursuing employed coaches, like leave us alone, Like we

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have a covenant here, we signed contracts like these people

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you want to come over here. I want to see

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what it's like in a big market, good roster. We've

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Speaker 2: You'll be in front of the firing line every time

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with no backup. So I guess if you want to

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credit that for anything, it's like, that's ambitious. You guys,

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really you gotta believe in yourself. And they seem to I,

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this will shock no one. I kind of initially came

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down on it the same way you did, which is like, oh,

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so you had no plan, like you there was a

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two step process. Step one was fire Tom Thibodeau, and

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step two was figure out the rest later, which is

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what this feels like. So I and and it's just

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and it's long shots, like yeah, I guess the Nixon

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a ton of pressure, and like, what you know is

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that you need to do better than make the conference

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finals to top what just happened. Like that's not easy,

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and it's gonna be there's gonna be so much scrutiny.

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diligence and now they I don't know. I don't think

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it's unfair at all to say that this is kind

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of ridiculous that that they didn't have anybody clearly in mind,

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or if they did, they're like, you hang out here,

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we're gonna go see if we can get some one

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better and we'll circle back to you, like Johnny Bryant

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just too where it's oh, they're trying to do this.

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is that because James Dolan was involved in the fire

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of Tom Thibodeau, that Leon Rose and crew of kind

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of something like, yeah, we can ask these big names,

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but they're doing it to kind of just troll James Dolan,

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to make him like nobody like you messed up here

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if you insert yourself at this because you knew that

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he was going to be the one, like the jokes

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had maybe not in the bag, but you should have

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had an idea of what like if you're getting rid

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of Tom Thibodeau, you're very clearly saying one of two things,

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we have someone or like an archetype of coach in

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mind that will do better, or we just think that

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almost anyone can do better, right, And I, as someone

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who is not again did not consider themselves a TIMS guy,

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go through the process before we say that it was

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the wrong process, and I wasn't giving them that chance.

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but like they've earned the benefit of the doubt because

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even when they've acted incorrectly, let's say the mchal Bridges trade,

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they have actored deliberately and usually not impulsively, Like, yeah, okay,

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that McHale bridges price tag seems impulsive. How long did

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the Knicks wait before making the consolidation trade? Now, the

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whole honest stuff going on, that's the reason why you

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continue to wait. But I think the front office has

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deserved the benefit of the doubt. Now. The things where

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the concerns are ticking in for me, the names that

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have been like loosely mentioned as we're recording this, Mike Brown,

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Taylor Jenkins, Mike Woodson, the East is big, grant, did

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you know that it is still big? Might even be

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bigger than it was before. I don't look at any

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of these names and think that, oh, like this would

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clearly be an upgrade over Tom Thibodeau. Michael Malone has

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been mentioned a little bit too, but like that's to me,

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that's like TIB's two point zero. But you look at

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his reliance on the starters. Look at Mike Brown's reliance

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on his starters before he got canned form Sacramento this season.

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kind of the way that their offense was run at points,

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Mike Woodson, there were complaints about the way he was

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running the offense in twenty twelve or whatever it was.

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of these guys could come in and they would be

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an upgrade. But I've yet to hear a name that

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head coach because I don't really know, Like, who's the

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retread that you would look at and say, though that

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jeff An Gundy like trying to put like rope him

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Speaker 2: What's just just doing just knee jerk reaction. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I don't. So it's interesting that you mentioned, like, well,

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maybe they need the innovation, they need all sort of stuff.

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you might get all let's get some fresh ideas that

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and maybe that's that is really what all that needs

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: It's really hard to find a precedent for a team

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that advanced as far as the Knicks did and are

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in as much of a win win now mode and

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like single digit wins from a championship, right, Like, that's

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that's a tiny fraction of the league that reaches that point.

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That's where the Knicks were, Like they didn't have that

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much farther to go to be in the finals and

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then have a shot to win a title. So like

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that feels like you need a veteran coach that like

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has all that maybe isn't the most innovative, but understands

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how to manage those sets, those types of expectations that

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just like has been there, has been battle tested. Like

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much does that really matter? I don't know. It's like,

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someone and you we've gone through this now, that just

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feels like that guy's ticking all enough of the boxes

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to be like, yep, upgrade, that is an upgrade on

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Tom Thibodeau. I think the best you can do is

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hopefully as good but different. Like that's really and that's

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kind of been true all along. There was never you know,

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Eric Spolster wasn't available. Have they asked about him yet?

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seven year, hundred plus million dollars that's not a.

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Speaker 2: War lead Miami, Yeah, no, Van Gundy, Like I kind

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of am serious though, because like he's one wherever he's

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been and he's been out of the he was out

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of the head coaching chare forever. So it's not like

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hundred record in like a playoff, first round out or whatever,

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like he's and then what he did with the He's

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credited pretty roundly with the Clippers defense this year, not

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that that's the issue for the Knicks, but like Van

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been out for so long, but he has the Knicks ties.

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being an innovator, but like figuring out how to make

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stuff work, like what he did with the Clippers defense,

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that if that really was him, you never it's always

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a collective effort. But like that's persuasive to me, and

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like now is he He's also like him and Thibodeau

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are very much from the same coaching tree, and like

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offensive innovator, and if that's the core issue, then maybe

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that's like a non starter, but nobody else is leaping

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off the page, is like, it's got to be this guy.

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It's I just don't know who that is.

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Speaker 1: And I think the only way that would well, I

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guess there's a couple of ways it would happen. But

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what's making it so difficult is, yes, you can be

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unhappy with how the season ended, even how they got

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to the Eastern Conference finals, but they just got to

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the Eastern Conference finals, and so you're not this isn't

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just a like if it's a team where I guess

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even in Phoenix's case to where it's just like and Detroit,

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had a feeling out process with these other interim head coaches,

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but with Phoenix, it was they have the journey off

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the beaten path. Now does Michigan State counts off the

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beaten path? Who's to say?

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Speaker 2: But I'm to say Dan that the Sun's hiring criteria

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is did you go to Michigan State? And that's some

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bullshit and I think it's really stupid. Maybe Jordano's gonna

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be a great coach, but it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: But so like in this situation, it almost feels like that,

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unless you were going to poach one of the head

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coaches that we mentioned, it needs to be a first

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timer because that just implies innovation. And what that's saying

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to basketball minds like us or like fans, is this

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is unknown. It's mysterious, so it can be better. And

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it's so hard to look at the known commodities available

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and say, like, that's going to be way better. And

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actual concerns kick in, Like if the Knicks are doing

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their due diligence and the jokes are fine, they're encouraged

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quite frankly, in my book, it looks ridiculous, but they

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haven't really done anything wrong. Like I I agree again,

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I had the opinion that they should have really had

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like someone specifically in mind, but that's not necessarily how

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these things work, because we troll, like I said, franchises

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for not having an extensive search. What I think I'm

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concerned about is the reports that James Dolan was so

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heavily involved in this, because the Big Kazoo himself is

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like one of the worst human beings on the planet,

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let alone a terrible owner, and the Knicks have consistently

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been at their best when he stays out of the way.

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And so if you're saying you put trust in Leon

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Rose as a Knicks fan, yeah, I totally get that.

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trust him. But that's not where I'm maybe I'm just

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so scarred from when I grew up. James Dolan was

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actively ruining the Knicks, getting involved in mellow trade negotiations,

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like running like coaches hated him so and he just

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he sucks, like he's just really bad, Like he's really

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he's always been willing to pay, but it's like, look

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at the highers he's made, Like Isaiah Thomas, that hospial

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to Phil Jackson debacle was an absolute disaster. The fact

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that he's more involved, and even the reporting that says

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there was players or players that said they weren't sure

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if they could play for TIBs. Again, I'm good. I'm

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saying this is not a TIBs guy. There's only one

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player who should have that type of sway. It is

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Jalen Brunson. And we know for damn sure it wasn't

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Jalen Brunson who said that. And if it was, whether

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it was og Ananobi, whether it was Karl Anthony Towns,

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whether it was Michael Bridges, I don't give a fuck.

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Those are not guys who are good enough or I

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mean og was kind of close, but the fact that

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he is so valuable to them is a little concerning.

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They're under contract with the exception of Michael Bridges was

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a year left, Like okay, so what like, you're a player,

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go play for the coach that we installed, play better.

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How about you hit that button, mister, if it was

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Towns or Bridges, be more consistent. So I don't like that.

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And then just what I am worried about when you're

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inquiring about these coaches, Like, yeah, I get like if

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you were to go ask for the Clippers to get

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Ty lu here, like that would be a great hire

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for the Knicks. But you're going to compensate these teams

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more than financially. So as a team that doesn't have

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a first round pick to trade a real first round pick,

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what are you giving them? So you're trading assets that

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you need in trades to like improve a team that's

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not deep enough as it currently stands. Those are just

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I'm open to every like we have to let this

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process play out, but I do think that you need

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to be somewhere in the middle. I don't think anything

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the Knicks have done raises a huge red flag, but

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there are question legitimate questions to be answered by. All Right, well,

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what is the plan here or what are you actually

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looking for? Like for players to like him like Jalen

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Brunson loved him and was your most important player, Like

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that doesn't matter. And then what type of you know

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from a like print, like a functional principle, ideological perspective,

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what are you looking for? And finally, just as I mentioned,

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I don't well, you're going after coaches that you would

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have to give up something for. They're not trades, but

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it's compensation to let them out of their contract. You're

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not asset late enough to just say, like if they

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were giving up first round swaps or some shit for

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a head coach, that's terrifying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree. I I keep wanting to and

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maybe you and I have talked about this. It's I

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just like, clearly the thinking was in removing tips that

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the reason this team isn't better than it is is

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the way it's being coached, as opposed to the limitations

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of the personnel that are that is being coached, Like

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it's it's the coach, it's not the players. The reason

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that the way we get better is someone figures out

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how to use the players we have more effectively. And

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I don't know that have we talked about this, Like

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do you think that's actually true? I'm just asking because

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like I think there's room for a debate on that, Like,

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oh yeah, I think like and now so that's a

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maybe maybe not, but like I think, like again, just

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getting back to like the options that are out there

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for who could replace TIBs, Like I don't see anybody better.

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I think you get someone different, and if you pick

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somebody young, maybe you have this long shot upside and

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and so like maybe it makes sense through that lens

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where it's like we think that we've gotten as much

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as we possibly can about this coach player combination. And

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although like maybe it's in fact likely that the next

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coach will be worse, just the possibility that it could

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be better is like the risk that makes the risk

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worth taking, which is like I guess logically you could

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get there. But I still think what that depends on

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is a belief that the players can be more than

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they are, that someone can get more out of them,

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and that it's not no, this is as good as

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this roster can be. I don't know if I'm convinced

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of that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's debatable, and I think offensively you probably could,

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just because Jalen bruns In and Conathy Towns were basically

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leading separate lives. By the end or by the end

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of the post.

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Speaker 2: There's a divider line down the middle of their room

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and they can't go on the other side.

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Speaker 1: But I come back to the Pacers to Where's and

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they do play him with Obi Toppin. But like if

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you gave Tyres Haliburton, Karl Anthony Towns is your primary

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big I don't know that you've built a like the

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Jalen bruns In Connethy Town's dynamic on defense, Yeah, there's

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room for improvement, and it can improve on offense. How

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do you get much better defensively with that setup? And

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if the answer is well, Connethy Towns is a four,

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well then you shouldn't have traded for Karl Anthony Towns

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because he makes too much money to say that guy's

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not our center, like if that makes any sense. And look,

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you mentioned it with the firing tims, which also which

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is also interesting. I'm not saying that waiting and sitting

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on it for like a couple of weeks would have

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made this process better, but I found it curious that

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they react did so swiftly when it came to firing

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him in the first place, because that's what's also led

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me to believe like, oh, they must have someone in

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mind if they're acting and there's there might be value

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just like like no, like swing the sword, like let's

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let's get this over with and start it. But you

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just made I just found it very interesting that the

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decision was made so quickly.

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Speaker 2: It I was just gonna say, like it it it

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the fact that it happened, that the firing happened so quickly,

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and the hiring process has dragged on just like seems

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to telegraph that this was like an emotional, like frustration

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based decision that again, to circle all the way back,

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it's like, oh, maybe there wasn't like a real plan

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after like well it can't be him anymore, like okay,

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so then who And they're like, oh, whatever we'll take,

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we'll ask everybody how about.

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Speaker 1: I think the moral here is is that there's clearly

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more layers to the higher than oh okay, they're asking

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all these head coaches. They didn't have a plan, they

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suck and something. No, there's real risk here, like we

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can't guarantee they made the right decision or going to

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make the right decision. I think that's the nuanced portion

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of it, and I'm sure people want it to be

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more binary. You want to think the knicks are that

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they suck and that this is a bad decision that

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they made, or you're just so done with Tom Thibodeau

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that anything they do change for the change's sake. And finally,

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the thing is changing the head coach here was the

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easiest thing to do because you don't have money to

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spend in free agency and trading one of these I like,

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who actually has the most standalone value aside from Jalen

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Brunton in a trade. It's probably og Nanobi And that

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contract's a little weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, No, that is true, Like that was the

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lever to pull. It just feels like, I don't know,

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you gotta know what you're gonna do after you pull

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the lever. The true winner is Jason Kidd because the

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best reporting I saw, if I think it was Sam Amy,

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I'm sorry I can't remember specifically, but it was like

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he really just kind of wanted to use the Knicks's

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leverage for a bigger contract extension from the MAVs. And

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like I think a lot of other coaches out there

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are awesome, the Knicks have a vacancy, come ask me.

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Speaker 1: And knowing what we know about Jason Kidd, And it

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was Sam me Mik who reported that, and it was

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Christian Clark as well. That's one hundred percent true because

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he basically tried to stage a coup in Brooklyn. You

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remember that.

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Speaker 2: So I just like Jason Kidd is he doesn't leave

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anywhere like on normal terms where I was like I

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was ready up and up, there's always like like so

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everything crystallized for me. I made pert was like, that's

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super on brand. I get it. Not surprised at all.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to the Knicks were getting other teams head

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coaches paid good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good for them. They're just thinking about everybody else.

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Speaker 1: What is up Fellasi coast. It is guess a player

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time where Grant and I lots of self loathing happening here?

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Did you want to start us out? You want to

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read me some clues? Who we got? Why don't you

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tell me which player I'll be guessing?

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Speaker 2: Is that how this works?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have one from Matty L here that I'm

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just gonna double check. Yes, it was submitted since we

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last did it, because I can never remember, uh if

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we've done these or not? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Clue number one Dan, I did not play in college.

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However my father did. He also played NBA in college.

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Speaker 1: He played in the NBA and college. But this player

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did not go to college?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 1: Is it? Well? It could be a who would be

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a high school player where that even would have happened?

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Then whatever would that be? Uh? Terrell Brandon?

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00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 2: Wow, that's not where I thought you were going. It's

476
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,720
not Terrell Brandon. I think you're gonna get it soon.

477
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,240
Clue number two. I am named after a type of meat.

478
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 1: What I oh? Pop eye Jones? Oh?

479
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 2: Man, I love how fast you got Because you really

480
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,559
like that answer. I could tell when you said you

481
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:02,160
really like It's not pop Eye Jones. Oh you made me.

482
00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: Think that I got it.

483
00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 2: He probably went to college like I just in such

484
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:11,000
a good answer, because it's like, oh, I didn't say

485
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,039
I was named after a place that sells a type

486
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:13,440
of meat.

487
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,799
Speaker 1: That's not a type of meat. What was the type

488
00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:17,759
of would they say a type of meat? Not a

489
00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:19,039
type of chicken either.

490
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: It's a type of named after a type of meat.

491
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,720
Oh god, that's phenomenal. That's my favorite answer ever.

492
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,519
Speaker 1: Jerry Steakhouse.

493
00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,279
Speaker 2: Fire. Oh boy?

494
00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: Uh was I'm upset on the top because I thought

495
00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:39,319
I thought got it.

496
00:23:39,559 --> 00:23:43,759
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that even when you get this, that

497
00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:46,359
will still be the high point of this Guess a player.

498
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,640
I'll give you clue number three now, unless you'd like

499
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,599
to just continue being on fire? Is like Matt Bonner, Like,

500
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,680
is he actually the red lobster? Is that that's not meat?

501
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,519
Speaker 1: Grant? Come on, I would never go that direction.

502
00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 2: Lobster's not meat? All right? Clue number three. I was

503
00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:03,960
drafted thirteenth overall by an Eastern Conference team.

504
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get over named after a type of

505
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,400
meat thing.

506
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,599
Speaker 2: It's the problem is it.

507
00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: I was drafted thirteenth overall. Can't be beef. Stew is

508
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,440
Isaiah Stewart, but that's not his actual name, and he

509
00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:19,759
definitely went to college. Oh my god, I was gonna

510
00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:21,160
get it soon. This is embarrassing.

511
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: I still think you will. These are very good clues.

512
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:23,799
Good job, Maddie.

513
00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:27,519
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm gonna keep going back to clue number two,

514
00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:29,759
who was named That's the only thing to be thinking

515
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:33,799
about is the type of meat you're gonna play.

516
00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: What's that gonna be annoyed? I think when when you

517
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,039
get this eventually.

518
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:41,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, hit me with the next clue, all.

519
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:43,839
Speaker 2: Right, clue number four. I was the second youngest player

520
00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:47,400
to play in an NBA game and the youngest starter.

521
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: The second youngest player to play in an NBA game,

522
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,240
like of all time? That, yes, I should know this

523
00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:02,640
by now. I feel like Alexey Pokashevski.

524
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 2: What meat is that? Like a poke bowl? Yeah?

525
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think that has meat in it either.

526
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,839
Speaker 2: They're sushi in It's what.

527
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: Do you count? So do you count? So you count?

528
00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:15,599
Speaker 2: Like fish is meat?

529
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: It's well, vegetarians will eat.

530
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:21,519
Speaker 2: Fish, pescatarians will, I think. I mean, like, well, it's

531
00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:24,759
not a vegetable and it's not a mineral or a grain,

532
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:26,920
so it's it's a meat by default.

533
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: I think it's a protein.

534
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is fascinating, is I thought? I think fish

535
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:32,720
is meat?

536
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: Isn't the whole thing? I don't know what denomination that is.

537
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,079
I think it's Roman Catholics. You can't eat meat on

538
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,599
Sundays during Lent, but fish are okay.

539
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of weird exceptions for fish. I

540
00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:45,400
would agree that fish does seem to occupy a gray area.

541
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,160
But I think a fish is meat. Like if I'm having.

542
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: No, it's this player named after a fish.

543
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,319
Speaker 2: I can't you know what?

544
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:56,799
Speaker 1: You know what?

545
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,279
Speaker 2: Dan? No, he's not.

546
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: So this conversation is entirely pointless.

547
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,319
Speaker 2: Okay, right, but I okay, let's see uh clue number five.

548
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,759
I was named All Rookie Second Team along with my

549
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,559
teammate Travis Knight. Forgot about that.

550
00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: How many rookie teams did this player make? How many

551
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,319
a rookie teams?

552
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: At least one?

553
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: Travis Knight was his teammate, I guess in the NBA,

554
00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:24,799
all right, the youngest player. I'm not going to be

555
00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:25,799
happy about this.

556
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: People people are is a form of meat. No, I

557
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,680
think we should have a separate game where you just

558
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:38,400
name players whose names are also a type of meat.

559
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:45,079
Because you've done very well. So far, Okay, let's see

560
00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:49,359
what are we on. Clue six. In my first playoff

561
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,200
appearance in my first season, my team played in the

562
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,759
Western Conference semifinals against the Jazz.

563
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:57,039
Speaker 1: Fuck is this?

564
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: It's just people are beside themselves right now. I would

565
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,000
like to recap the clues for you.

566
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: So far?

567
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: Sure did not play in college? Father did a father

568
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,599
also played in the NBA Named after a type of meat,

569
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,319
drafted thirteenth by an Eastern Conference team, and yet as

570
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,640
a rookie when he was the youngest starter ever played

571
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,319
against the Jazz in the Western Conference semifinals.

572
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,319
Speaker 1: The youngest who was starting on a team that's immediately

573
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:33,519
good in the Western Conference semifinals named after meat. I

574
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,680
have no idea.

575
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: I wonder if maybe you don't know the meat thing,

576
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,440
and that's really like wrecking this whole set of clues,

577
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:39,880
is it?

578
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: Are they gonna be named after like a type of

579
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:43,279
bark on a tree and that's a protein that I

580
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:43,880
don't know about.

581
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 2: I'm all right again, I think you okay? Clue number seven.

582
00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:53,440
In my second season, I was runner up in six

583
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:55,559
Man of the Year and voted into the All Star

584
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,799
Game as the youngest starter in history.

585
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,839
Speaker 1: Oh Man, Kobe Bryant. This is so Kobe Beef. God.

586
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,039
Speaker 2: Hey, you got it. That's the important you know what.

587
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:10,440
There's two important things. One is that you got it,

588
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,119
and two is that you had some of the best

589
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,319
wrong answers. I think we've ever had. Amazing.

590
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:20,599
Speaker 1: I'm so upset right now. Those were great clues, Maddie,

591
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:21,240
great clues.

592
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,319
Speaker 2: There are three more. I'll just reading real quick. Number eight.

593
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,799
During the lockout shortened season, I started every game and

594
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:28,559
signed a six year, seventy million dollars contract. Clue number

595
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,839
nine and ninety nine. I eroned All Star, All NBA

596
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,920
and All Defensive Team honors. Number ten, I'm a five

597
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:34,960
time NBA champion.

598
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,759
Speaker 1: I might have gotten it on that one.

599
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean good, Mattie l understands the assignment. Those

600
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:43,000
were good clues.

601
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: All right, I have one for Mike. For you, Grant,

602
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,400
this feels right in your wheelhouse. There are seven clues. Okay,

603
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,039
Clue number one I was I was part of the

604
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,079
historically shitty two thousand draft.

605
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,039
Speaker 2: I would love to one shot kill this. I'm gonna

606
00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:05,519
think really hard about who's in the two thousand draft.

607
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: I can confirm they are not named after a type

608
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,359
of meat.

609
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Gilbert Arenas not him. I'm not even sure that's

610
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,240
the right draft. Okay, next clue please clue two.

611
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: There have been two All Stars from that draft featured

612
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,400
on GAP. I am the third and final All Star

613
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,279
from that draft.

614
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,319
Speaker 2: Oh, this is asking me to have like short term memory,

615
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,599
which I don't. Who's in the two thousand draft. I

616
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:38,119
feel like if I just sat down, I could remember

617
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,599
that one and we've done two other that. So this

618
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,000
is the third and final All Star from the two

619
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,359
thousand draft class.

620
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,319
Speaker 1: Correct?

621
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: Uh? And what was the descriptor like much maligned draft

622
00:29:56,119 --> 00:30:00,559
or something like historically shitty? I really cleaned it up

623
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:04,200
for him. Okay. Uh, clue three.

624
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: Please, here are some of the names selected ahead of

625
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:09,319
me that you so that you can fathom how bad

626
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:15,000
this class was. Jason Collier, Matteen Cleves Eton, Thomas, Jerome Moiso,

627
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,839
eleventh overall Chris Mimmott, and fourth overall pick Marcus Pfiser.

628
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, Marcus Pfiser. The Bulls took him. Tyson Chandler. No,

629
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:32,680
I don't think that. I think that can't be possibly

630
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,559
right because he was not the same year as Pfiser. Okay,

631
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:37,480
So who else is in there with Pfizer? We got

632
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,119
matteen Cleves. Who else was on the Michigan State team?

633
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,880
Oh boy, what's that guy's name?

634
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:47,519
Speaker 1: I don't know. You tell me.

635
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: I was gonna say Adrian Payne, but he did not

636
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:50,799
make an All Star game.

637
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: The late that's also two thousand is that I thought

638
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,119
he was like mid two thousands.

639
00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: I was just thinking of a Michigan State guy. Yeah,

640
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,319
probably not because Draymond Green was like really close with him,

641
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:07,480
and Draymond was like ten years later than that man

642
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:17,079
two thousand. Uh. Jamal Tinsley, No, I love that, guess though,

643
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,880
that's a I don't know, Okay, I'm mnna need another one.

644
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,599
Speaker 1: Clue four. Born in Toronto but attending Kentucky. I earned

645
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:26,559
the nickname big Cat, spelled with a c.

646
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: Oh God damn it. So it's a big guy. Uh.

647
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: Jamal mcglure, Yes, wow, I never would have gotten this

648
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:42,000
when it took call that right now.

649
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: That's a deep that's like a if you remember he

650
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,200
was an All Star one. It's one of those ones you're.

651
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,359
Speaker 1: Like Williams was an All Star?

652
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,279
Speaker 2: You know who was an All Star? You're never gonna

653
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:55,599
believe this Jamal mcglure. Okay, forget about that one.

654
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: The other three that was a good, great job by you.

655
00:31:58,079 --> 00:31:59,680
The other three clues were well, I was an All star.

656
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,920
The state line doesn't exactly scream it that I was

657
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,880
deserving of it. That season, I averaged thirteen and a

658
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,680
half points and ten point six boards a night. Clue six.

659
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,920
For my career, I played in six hundred and eighty games,

660
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,160
starting three hundred and fourteen. I played for the Hornets, Bucks, Heat, Raptors, Blazers,

661
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,079
and Nets, and then Clue seven. I'm probably known best

662
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,240
for going viral during my time as an assistant coach

663
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,480
of the Raptors, where I screamed adjustments in a finals

664
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:23,039
game through a paper cup.

665
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,039
Speaker 2: I ton't remember that.

666
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:26,319
Speaker 1: You remember? You don't remember that?

667
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,079
Speaker 2: The good times?

668
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I need to bring that meme back.

669
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,960
I'm gonna post that meme on social media something.

670
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: I maybe I'll remember it once I see it. All right,

671
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:41,759
we have one for you from Bill that I will

672
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,960
magnify now so I can read it. Uh. Clue number one.

673
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,240
Dan I was drafted in the first round in the

674
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:52,359
early nineties by an Eastern Conference team from an American university.

675
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,359
Speaker 1: Can you read that, Can you read that?

676
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: One flat okay, first round pick in the early nineties

677
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:02,960
drafted by an Eastern Conference team went to an American college?

678
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: That hour was it down?

679
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:08,559
Speaker 2: Yea early nineties first rounder drafted by an East team.

680
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: Drafted by an East team early nineties, so pre ninety five,

681
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:18,880
probably your ninety five or earlier first round twenty who

682
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,400
just falls into that. It's so there's so many names

683
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,279
that like, I can't come up with one. Do you

684
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:24,960
ever have that where it's just the field is so

685
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,319
wide I should be able to name one and I

686
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,039
just can't do it.

687
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time on the first clue.

688
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:35,559
Speaker 1: You might have Eastern Conference team, Tracy McGrady was out

689
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:39,759
of high school. That doesn't count. And that wasn't was

690
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:41,240
that mid nineties, I was late nineties.

691
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: No, he was, Oh gosh, what yere was he? I

692
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,839
should know that. I'm I'm among them of the foremost

693
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,240
Tracy McGrady appreciators out there. I just want to never

694
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:56,440
tell sorry, I'm go ahead, I'm fact checking this first clue,

695
00:33:56,519 --> 00:33:57,640
just to be have.

696
00:33:57,519 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: I ever told you this will be a hard one

697
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,400
outside I used uh, Tracy mcgrady's realtor slash best friend

698
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:07,240
by yousu. I mean I didn't like for what. I

699
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,079
didn't farm him for parts, but I bought. I bought.

700
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,559
I bought a house through Tracy mcgrady's best friend, Slash.

701
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:17,159
I'm assuming his realtor. Otherwise would they still be friends.

702
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,519
Apparently this person lived with Tracy McGrady when he was

703
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:22,679
playing for the Magic or maybe when he was with

704
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,320
the Raptors too. But yeah, I'm tight with Tracy McGrady. Yeah. Say,

705
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,559
I'm thinking he made more commission off of Tracy McGrady

706
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:35,000
than myself. Okay, co Firmer and I but a right,

707
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:36,480
did you fact did you fact check?

708
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,159
Speaker 2: I did? I? I mean I just yes, I did.

709
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,360
There's nothing nothing, We're all we're on the up and

710
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,039
up right now.

711
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:44,079
Speaker 1: Oh you thought Bill was trying to pull.

712
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: Well, I got you know, you know, Okay, you want

713
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:47,599
the number two.

714
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: I want to get a guess. So I'm going to

715
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,280
say this. I'm good. I'm just naming players that didn't

716
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,840
go to college. It was about I was about to

717
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,800
say Jermaine O'Neill. I don't know.

718
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna want to at least name some then

719
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,920
went to college. Derek Fisher great guess not, Derek Fisher.

720
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,159
Speaker 1: That's a conference team.

721
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,119
Speaker 2: Clue number two. As a rookie, I averaged seventeen point

722
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:12,480
five points per game and was on the All Rookie

723
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:17,480
team for the first and only time of my career. Uh.

724
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: Seventeen points mid early nineties as a rookie, it's a

725
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:31,719
pretty good rookie season. It sounds like I still have nothing.

726
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: Okay, this clue is not going to help you. H

727
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,079
In my fifteen year career, maybe that helps.

728
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: I don't know.

729
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:41,199
Speaker 2: In my fifteen year career, I made the playoffs ten times,

730
00:35:41,519 --> 00:35:43,719
starting all eighty games in my playoff career.

731
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's not gonna help me. Early nineties first

732
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:55,800
round pick scored a bunch right off the bat. What

733
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,639
the freaky is this? The seventeen point should be? I

734
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,199
don't know if it should be a dead giveaway that

735
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:06,039
that should be a pretty big harbinger. This is tough.

736
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,079
I'm going to need the next clue.

737
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:10,159
Speaker 2: I think this next one will be a little more helpful.

738
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,159
I was traded twice in the first eighteen months of

739
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:17,760
my career for a combined two future All stars and

740
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,079
six first round picks.

741
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: What, oh my god? UH traded twice in eighteen the

742
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,519
first eighteen months of their career, while averaging seventeen plus

743
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:36,119
points per game in the early nineties.

744
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:41,199
Speaker 2: I will, I can't. I would say that the career

745
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,119
might in fact include a portion of the career before

746
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,840
this guy ever played, if that makes sense. No, I'm

747
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,320
trying not to. Just like clue number one is deliberately

748
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,679
leading you off track with the East Conference team. If

749
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,880
that's what I'm trying to get at, Like, maybe maybe

750
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,480
this will be explained.

751
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: Oh, Darkoviski never traded Steve nas No, he was.

752
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: Darkovinski was.

753
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: He was traded for me conference team to the Mavericks,

754
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,800
but he wasn't traded twice in his first daies.

755
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: That's true. He just got the one. I can't give

756
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,760
anymore away because you will. The final clue is just

757
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,800
gonna give it to you, so I won't help you anymore.

758
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,679
Speaker 1: Darius Miles. That was late nineteen nine, also out of

759
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,719
high school. That doesn't matter with me. Please, you've just

760
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,440
read me the next.

761
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: Got a backwards brain? Okay. My only first team All

762
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,039
NBA season, I averaged twenty seven and eleven, led the

763
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:46,039
NBA in two point field goals and attempts per game.

764
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,280
My team got swept in the Western Conference semis by

765
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:57,760
the eventual champions.

766
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: Which team was winning titles in the nineties in the West.

767
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,480
So it's not the bullsh This is gonna bug the

768
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,559
shit out of me. Look, even my dogs are trying

769
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:09,239
to bust in my office right now because you're getting

770
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,480
so fed up that I can't get this.

771
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: Uh this, this is not this is not Kobe levels

772
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:15,360
of easy though.

773
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess hit me with the next clue.

774
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:21,159
Speaker 2: All right. The following season, I led my team to

775
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,480
sixty one wins before once again getting bounced by a

776
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:28,880
dynasty team.

777
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: Who is this player? Is it? Uh? Richard Hamilton?

778
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: I don't think he ever averaged twenty seven and.

779
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: Eleven, Oh yeah, twenty my god.

780
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,199
Speaker 2: I like the leading the league in two point field

781
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:49,519
goals though, because Richard Hamilton liked him some twos.

782
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: Twenty seven one, So we're talking about a big guy

783
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,079
first round picking that up. So he was good, but

784
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:57,679
he was traded a bunch. Who is who is this?

785
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,400
Who's and I feel like he needs to be an

786
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,599
empty calories big guy based off the career trajectory here.

787
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:06,719
Although he's on a team and they won sixty one games.

788
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:07,880
What is going on here?

789
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: So you got two more and your you will get

790
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,639
it on the last one.

791
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: Sean Kemp was he drifted out of high school.

792
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: I think it's close because I think it was like

793
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,880
a community college or something you might be really good at.

794
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,199
Just name guys that didn't.

795
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: Go to college.

796
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,519
Speaker 2: Uh, Vin Baker, I think he did go to college,

797
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,800
So you're close. Actually, that's not a bad guess. I

798
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,440
think he's a pretty He's a pretty close contemporary of

799
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:41,679
this player. Also, Okay, you want the penultimate clue, Elton

800
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,320
Brand No, good guess. That is a good guess. The

801
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,760
seventeen point five.

802
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: Twenty seven to eleven feels a little too.

803
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was more like an eight, nineteen and eleven

804
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,039
guy or nineteen and twelve.

805
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: Next clue, please.

806
00:39:56,519 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: My Hall of Fame career flamed out due to knee

807
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:03,519
injuries and limited stints in Philly and Detroit.

808
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: Limited. Andrew Bindam did not go to college. Do not

809
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:11,920
say Andrew Binam.

810
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 2: Maybe this clue These clues ares just designed to get

811
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,079
you to name He never played for Detroit either. He

812
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:23,800
was just like that, Do not say, and his Hall of.

813
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: Fame career flamed out stints in Phillies and Detroit. I

814
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,480
feel like that should be the one that I get it.

815
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:35,800
He was a big guy. Oh my god, who is this?

816
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,360
I have no idea? All right, carry on.

817
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: So the next clue you will get it on. So

818
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:45,360
I'm just gonna vamp and give you the teams that

819
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,880
this player played for in order rookie year, Golden State,

820
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:56,320
followed by the Washington Bullets who became the Wizards, followed

821
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,039
by the Sacramento Kings.

822
00:40:58,159 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: Chris Webber.

823
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: That's correct, Chris whoever.

824
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,119
Speaker 1: I totally forgot that Chris Weber played for the like Washington,

825
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,280
So that clue. Like when you said when he went

826
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,920
to Sacramento, I was like, oh, all right, I know

827
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:10,480
who it was.

828
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,079
Speaker 2: Right, So the the the thing I looked up was like,

829
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,119
I mean, so he was. It was a draft day

830
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,360
trade of the Magic actually drafted him. So that's your

831
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,960
Eastern Conference team, and he was traded to the Warriors

832
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,360
for Penny Hardaway and some stuff. So that's like he says.

833
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,440
I was like, well, you could be traded before you play,

834
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:32,360
and that's your career. I couldn't really give it give

835
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,239
it away that easily.

836
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: Oh that actually bugs me that I didn't get that.

837
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,679
Speaker 2: The final clue was my nickname is Seaweb, so three

838
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:41,360
probably would.

839
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: Have gotten that wrong.

840
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,079
Speaker 2: You'd have been like Pau Gasol. No way, he didn't

841
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:44,880
go to college either.

842
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this one from BJP?

843
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: Okay, man, all right? I think so there are.

844
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: It looks like eight clues in two thousand one. In

845
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,199
twenty twenty, name me the greatest college player to wear

846
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,840
number fifty one.

847
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: That's a that's a good clue, because I don't know numbers.

848
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: I would, as someone who considers themselves a college basketball officionado,

849
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,480
I would have I would have gotten this in the

850
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,119
one shot kill.

851
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:16,679
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure best player in twenty twenty.

852
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty they were that's like, named this person

853
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:22,599
the greatest college player wear number fifty one?

854
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:24,079
Speaker 2: Luca Garza.

855
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,559
Speaker 1: No, I was trying to idea what number he wears.

856
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:32,880
That's all I got clue too. Rick Majeris cried on

857
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,559
national TV when I was drafted, or Rick Majoris, I

858
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:37,639
don't know how to pronounce his name.

859
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: Rick Majeris, okay, so that jaris I mean Andre Miller. Yes,

860
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,639
though Andrew Bogitt, he didn't have fifty one, I'm naming

861
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,440
Utah guys. That's I know Majeri's coached elsewhere, but I

862
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:55,920
just remember Utah. Keith van Horne.

863
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,159
Speaker 1: Is that I didn't get it, but I'm gonna skip ahead.

864
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,199
This is technically clue four, but we're gonna make it

865
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,880
clue three. I am not Keith Vano.

866
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:14,199
Speaker 2: Awesome, I'm getting warmer wow. So I don't think.

867
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: I think that's the first time that's ever.

868
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:19,039
Speaker 2: Happened that I guess the name and explicit clue as

869
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:21,440
I am not the person that you know what. That

870
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:25,880
shows thoughtful clue design because he's led me slightly astray.

871
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,400
All Right, What other Utah guys are there? Although, like

872
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:36,719
I wish I could remember where else majeris coached, I

873
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:43,280
don't think I have any Oh uh, I can't think

874
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,039
of another off the top of my head. There's someone's

875
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:46,639
rattling around in my brain. I can't think of it.

876
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:47,400
What's what's clue through?

877
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:49,039
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna You're gonna get it soon. Then

878
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:51,840
if that's the case, so clue number four. I finished

879
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,800
in the top ten and three career statistical categories at Utah,

880
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:58,960
tenth in scoring with over fifteen hundred points, eighth and

881
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,800
rebounds with nearly nine hundred rebounds, and fourth in free

882
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,800
throws made with four hundred and seventy two free throws.

883
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,559
Speaker 2: So we got, Uh, what is that guy's name?

884
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I can tell you, but.

885
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:22,519
Speaker 2: I yeah, I just I can't think of it. Another

886
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,719
Utah guy. Man, I was close, but I don't know

887
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,360
if I'm gonna get any closer now. I don't know.

888
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,079
My Utah roster knowledge is not that deep. What's the

889
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:35,800
next clue? On five? Yeah?

890
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: Clue five, I was one of the least likely lottery

891
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,239
picks going to the Orlando Magic in nineteen ninety eight,

892
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,760
where my team took two players at the same position

893
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:44,760
with lottery picks.

894
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: Michael Doliac correct, nice job, that was. I just needed

895
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,320
the Magic so I could like picture him. Uh and

896
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,440
there what other clues were there? That was a pretty

897
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,159
good giveaway.

898
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: Clu six I played ten years but had a minus

899
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,599
three point seven vorp Clue seven I was actually traded

900
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:04,159
for Keith Van Horned and a complicated multi team deal

901
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:06,679
in two thousand and four. Uh. And then Clue eight,

902
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,880
I want a title backing up Shack in Miami in

903
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:09,760
two thousand and six.

904
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,679
Speaker 2: Ooh I've did that would have really thrown me. I

905
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,960
wouldn't remembered.

906
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:17,039
Speaker 1: That who's the there's a who's the other white guy?

907
00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:19,119
I always used to get Michael Doliac confused with that

908
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:21,679
played for the Jazz not Greg Oaster tag. It was, uh,

909
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,199
you're like your eyes are like wide eyed right now.

910
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: Well, uh, there's only so many white centers, so I'm

911
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,960
trying to think like, uh yeah, oh man, yeah it's

912
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:40,679
pot Way post Oaster tag. Yeah, I don't.

913
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:43,639
Speaker 1: Know, it does not matter. Did you want to do? Uh?

914
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,119
I think we have time for one more each?

915
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,599
Speaker 2: Right, This is a new submission from a username doctor

916
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,239
fun Crusher. It's for you.

917
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: They sound like a party pooper.

918
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see, we'll see how that goes, all right.

919
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,840
I want to make sure doing the right one, because

920
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,599
he sent me two and I no offense, but you

921
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:05,920
were not going to get the second one. So here

922
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,639
we go. Clue number one. I am in the top

923
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,239
forty in all time NBA triple doubles, tied with Scottie

924
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,679
Pippen and Bill Russell and just ahead of Kevin Garnett

925
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:15,599
and Jerry West.

926
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:17,679
Speaker 1: Read that back one more time.

927
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: Top forty in all time triple doubles, tied with Pippin

928
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,519
and Bill Russell, ahead of KG and Jerry West.

929
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,679
Speaker 1: Ahead of KG and Jerry West in triple doubles in

930
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:32,559
the top forty.

931
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:40,119
Speaker 2: Tim duncan no good guess Clue number two. As a

932
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,000
junior at a Southern college in twenty fourteen, I won

933
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:47,559
the Lefty Gerselle Award as the national College Defensive Player

934
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:49,159
of the Year. I did not know this.

935
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:52,519
Speaker 1: I do not know who this is, so that's fitting.

936
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see clue next clue. Since being drafted in

937
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:03,840
twenty four I have played for five NBA teams, three

938
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:09,320
G League teams, and one Puerto Rican League team.

939
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:12,119
Speaker 1: So this player has a bunch of triple doubles. Was

940
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:18,159
drafted in twenty fourteen, played in the G League and

941
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:23,079
in a Puerto Rican league. My god, twenty fourteen was

942
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:29,800
a really long time ago. Who was drafted in twenty

943
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,960
fourteen that maybe had a bunch of triple doubles? That's

944
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,760
the And what what ward did they went in college?

945
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,159
For being defensive player of the years?

946
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: I would basically, yeah, college defensive player of the.

947
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: Year twenty fourteen, but could get tripled down.

948
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:53,559
Speaker 2: I would say I like defense is not something I

949
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:56,760
would like. This not close to the first thing I

950
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,719
would think of about this player as an NBA.

951
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:05,679
Speaker 1: Player, all right, twenty fourteen? That was the h does

952
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,360
he was that he had the Bennett draft or the

953
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:07,920
Andrew Wiggins?

954
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,079
Speaker 2: Rather?

955
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:09,599
Speaker 1: Does he have Bennett Draft? Wasn't that?

956
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: I think? So?

957
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:16,119
Speaker 1: Who? My god? Who is this? Which is the entire

958
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:17,760
point of this game. So give me the next clue,

959
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:19,360
Next clue.

960
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:23,199
Speaker 2: This past season, I played for two different NBA teams

961
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,159
and had a career high twenty one assists in one game.

962
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,679
Speaker 1: Why don't I have this? Who had twenty one assists?

963
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:40,320
This year? I played for two different NBA teams, dinner

964
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:47,239
played for three Oh my god? Twenty fourteen. Why can't

965
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,239
I get this? Played for two different NBA teams, career

966
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,239
high twenty Wait what was this? Played for two different

967
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,840
teams this year and dropped twenty one assists at some point.

968
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: Career high twenty one assists in a game this year.

969
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: Two teams this year? How do you even get? Why?

970
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,559
Why don't I have this? Grant?

971
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,559
Speaker 2: I'm aware that he was in the league this year,

972
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:12,519
but I could not tell you either of the two

973
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:15,760
teams he played for so I hope that helps you.

974
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: Oh man, oh man, the team, Oh Elfred.

975
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: Payton, you got an Elford Payton. Good job.

976
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of the name. That was

977
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,719
just like he was just brought in because the team

978
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,360
was so gutted.

979
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,639
Speaker 2: Yep, where did he? Where did he play this year?

980
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:31,360
Do you remember?

981
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,199
Speaker 1: I didn't know he played? So two teams New Orleans

982
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:36,800
had to be one of them, right, and then I

983
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,679
don't know who the other one would like the Phoenix

984
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,440
didn't bring him back? Did they know that wouldn't have

985
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,280
been them who they played for? He It was No,

986
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,199
it wasn't Phoenix, it was it was Charlotte. I didn't

987
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:49,719
know he. I didn't realize he played for Charlotte. That

988
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,480
was a good one.

989
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: So one more clue, which this was the final clue,

990
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:56,239
that would have been I'm a sixty two percent career

991
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,480
free throw shooter, and multiple online investigations have been done

992
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,480
to determine if my hair was affecting and partially blocking

993
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:02,920
my shot.

994
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: That's I wonder if I remember that. I wonder if

995
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,920
I didn't get it on the last one. I wonder

996
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,440
if I would have gotten it on that one though?

997
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: Did you write that did you do that? I wanted

998
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:12,679
the hair.

999
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: Thing the investigation. No, that probably wasn't.

1000
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 2: I used to make fun of it, and I was

1001
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,639
told not to talk about it anymore. That's all. That's

1002
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:24,360
all I'll say, because it's like it was viewed as

1003
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:25,599
insensitive or something.

1004
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:27,519
Speaker 1: All right, well, you're a pretty.

1005
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 2: In his hair is in the way. What do you

1006
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,000
want me to say? Yeah? Okay, good one, good, good

1007
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:33,960
debut submission.

1008
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: We have a couple more here. I'm gonna go to

1009
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:38,719
this one from be Rich for you, though, Grant.

1010
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,039
Speaker 2: That's all I have for you.

1011
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:43,119
Speaker 1: By the way, we have others for you, but we'll

1012
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:44,039
save him for next time.

1013
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,079
Speaker 2: Okay, like Grant.

1014
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:49,079
Speaker 1: Clue number one. Like Grant, I enjoyed a Jesuit high

1015
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:52,079
school education before playing college hoops in North America.

1016
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 2: All right, Jesuit high school education not really up on

1017
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,719
my non California Jesuit high school. So let's oh, I

1018
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:13,519
gotta try. Uh hmm, I'll just say, who would have

1019
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,880
gone to son? Uh?

1020
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: Klay Thompson incorrect? Okay, Clue two. Drafted in the lottery.

1021
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:25,440
I averaged five point seven points and two point six

1022
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,880
rebounds across three starts in my rookie season.

1023
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 2: We don't have a year, do we.

1024
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: We do not.

1025
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 2: Five and two as a rookie depyp being a lottery pick. Uh. Yeah,

1026
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,119
I don't have a guess on that.

1027
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:46,159
Speaker 1: All right. Clue three. I started regularly for my Western

1028
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,639
Conference team over the next four seasons before getting traded

1029
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,760
in a deal involving seven other players, two of which

1030
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,559
became core members of the We Believe Warriors.

1031
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: So he was traded for two players that became there's

1032
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:10,960
like fifty guys that were on that We Believe team.

1033
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: I believe the maximum is fifteen.

1034
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:17,559
Speaker 2: But well so it's like, so what was the big

1035
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:20,760
tra I mean, that was the year that like Troy, Yeah,

1036
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,960
that's the Indiana trade. So it's like Troy Murphy and

1037
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:33,079
stuff for Harrington and Steven Jackson. But it doesn't So,

1038
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:35,400
but it's not any of the We Believe Warriors. He was.

1039
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,920
He was traded in it traded away in a seven

1040
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,559
player deal that brought in We.

1041
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: Believe guys, two of which became core members of the

1042
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,440
We Believe Warriors.

1043
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: But he's not coming in with the We Believe guys.

1044
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,880
He was traded away for them.

1045
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: Correct, That's how I'm reading the clue anything.

1046
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: All right, Well then then is it just Troy Murphy?

1047
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: No, it is not Troy Murphy.

1048
00:52:56,519 --> 00:52:58,559
Speaker 2: Good guys? Who else? Went?

1049
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: Uh? Fuck?

1050
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: Okay? I should probably have gotten it there, but I

1051
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,400
can't think I can't. Yeah, what's the next clue?

1052
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: Clue four is a career thirty seven point seven percent

1053
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,880
three point shooter on three point five attempts per game.

1054
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,440
I was solid and solid and unremarkable NBA player, averaging

1055
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,079
eleven points, four rebounds to assists for twenty eight minutes

1056
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:26,039
per game in my career.

1057
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: Mmmmm, it's not Mike Dunlevy.

1058
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:37,639
Speaker 1: That is Mike Dunlevy or okay, man, those are the

1059
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:41,239
way lower averages than I would have guessed for him.

1060
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,119
Other three clues were I never made an All Star team,

1061
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:46,119
and my deepest playoff run was for a Tibbs led

1062
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:49,400
Bulls team into the Eastern Semifinals, where I average, you guess,

1063
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:54,559
did eleven points and four rebounds. Clue five nicknamed the Natural,

1064
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,880
My most similar players according to Basketball Reference were Kurt Thomas,

1065
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,599
Mike Miller, and Clarence Weatherspoon. You might be wondering, based

1066
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:04,199
on my career career stats and comparable players, why would

1067
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:06,920
be nicknamed the natural. My my nepotism may have been

1068
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:12,440
at play. Okay, and final clue this past this past season,

1069
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:14,880
I traded for my former Bulls teammate.

1070
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I like, I do appreciate the final clue being like,

1071
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:22,880
here you go, dummy, just I'll throw you a life raft.

1072
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,199
He's the Dunlevy was the one who like body checked

1073
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,400
Yiannis right in that series and like hit him into

1074
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,480
the stands that series. Yeah, something like that, or maybe Jannis.

1075
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:34,360
I think it was done Levy very out of character

1076
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:36,320
for the natural.

1077
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not, he's he's he's more naturally nice than

1078
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,320
that typically, But I was I was surprised you didn't

1079
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,719
get that on the trade for the We Believe Warriors.

1080
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 2: To be honest, I like didn't want to say that

1081
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,840
he was in that trade for some reason because I

1082
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,480
I don't know why. I like, oh, they wouldn't have

1083
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,880
put him in that deal. All I could remember was

1084
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,320
Troy Murphy. But that makes sense because he definitely was

1085
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,639
on the Pacers. So all right, hey, pretty good showing

1086
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:02,119
by a do we get all of them?

1087
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: Did they get? I mean the Kobe won by me

1088
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,039
was by farther that was so terrible. You have to

1089
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:07,679
not get it.

1090
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: You got it, that's all.

1091
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: And we got to talk about Papa Jones for a

1092
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:11,199
little bit.

1093
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 2: So oh man, so good, really good. Two things you're

1094
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,360
great at naming players with meat names and naming players

1095
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,320
who did not go to college when asked to name

1096
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:25,639
players that went to college.

1097
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm discovering skills. I did not know that. I also

1098
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,360
think that's the hardest you've ever laughed on the podcast,

1099
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,559
which is why, which is why I thought I got it,

1100
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:36,239
which is my face is probably crestfallen when you were like,

1101
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,159
it's not him. But that was a good guess.

1102
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: I just like how your brain goes to well, they

1103
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:47,639
make chicken, so obviously really good. I feel like I'm

1104
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,519
learning a lot about how your brain is wired, and

1105
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:53,840
it's fascinating. Good good, Josh say, hey, thanks everybody? Are

1106
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,079
we good? Shall I take us out?

1107
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Please do? All right?

1108
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks everybody for submitting. The clues a lot of fun.

1109
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,639
We've got a couple more in the whole story, I think,

1110
00:56:02,639 --> 00:56:06,320
but we may need to refresh pretty soon. Yeah. Thanks

1111
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,119
for listening, Thanks for watching, Thanks for submitting. If you

1112
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:11,079
would like to submit guest A player many ways to

1113
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:14,119
do it. The best is to join our discord, which

1114
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:16,719
will grant you access to some spreadsheets that Dan has

1115
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,159
put together and you can follow them in there links

1116
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:22,320
for that in YouTube and podcast description, review, subscribe, tell

1117
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,920
your friends, Tell your enemies. Shout out Frank Milo Keen. Apologies,

1118
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Jared Allen