Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, before we start this episode, we just wanted
to say something. One of the big ideas behind this
movie is that music has the power to bring people
of different ages and cultures together. And with that, they
have created a fantastic soundtrack of amazing artists and songs,
and I just wanted to encourage everybody to check it out.
I'll leave a link in the show notes, and without
further ado, here's the show. You ready, Jay Rennity, Okay.
Speaker 2: This is the story of Bill and Ted Face to Music.
Speaker 3: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely You Can't Be
Serious podcast, discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten
of eighties and nineties pop culture with your co hosts
James D. Graves and Jason Colliping.
Speaker 1: All Right, everybody, welcome back to the Shirley you Can't
Be Serious Podcasts. Last week we covered Bill and ted
Excellent Adventure and Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, and today
we are here to talk about the third long awaited installment,
Billed Face the Music.
Speaker 2: This is kind of a new deal for us. We
don't typically do new movies.
Speaker 1: We never do new movies. Like the newest movie that
we've done is still like seven years old or something
like that, twenty thirteen, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we had to watch this study it, cram
for it, and now we're podcasting about.
Speaker 1: It, right, and this not being a nostalgia piece, is
going to be a little bit different. I think a
lot of people are probably tuning in to learn is
it worth the watch? And so maybe that's a question
that we can answer.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead. I mean, I'm good to
answer it. Are you good to answer it? Yeah? I am.
I'm going to say yes, worth the watch?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, a resounding yes from me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So now that we've said that, be aware that
spoilers might be coming along along the way. We'll try
to for the first little bit give you information without
doing spoilers. But at some point we're going to give
the air raid siren of spoiler alerts. So if you
haven't seen it yet and you want no information, like
I do, you can know that Jason and Dee give
it our stamp of approval. Go watch it. I will say,
be prepared in the beginning to think it's a little fishy,
but then once you ease in and don't stress out
about it, it becomes it becomes a fun little ride. Jason,
what do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the goal of the movie.
I saw a quote from Ed Solomon. Their goal was
to make a movie that's fun, funny and sweet. And
with that goal in mind, they achieved their goal absolutely.
Speaker 1: And the other thing to note is I watched this
with my thirteen year old kid and felt good about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, me too. It's rate at PG thirteen,
and really there's a couple of.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the I was sitting here struggling.
I was just like, there's not profanity, there's not sexual anything.
I mean, they barely peck their wives. It's just I
couldn't figure out what the PG thirteen was about other
than kind of the rough scene in the prison. That's
about all I can see.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, I mean, he says the word
dickweed a couple of times.
Speaker 1: But that was a PG rating back in eighty nine
and ninety one, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess. Anyway, Yeah, I watched it with my sixteen
year old. He laughed and we had a great time
and it was definitely a bonding, nostalgic event for me.
But just kind of a fun night for him. And
so yeah, I think it's pretty pretty tame to watch
with the kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely totally. I mean, cleaner than any Marvel movie
for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Okay, so, I mean we're
just going to kind of give an abbreviated walk through
this movie. I think the interesting part that we need
to discuss this movie. The incubation for this movie has
been at least ten years long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, probably close to twelve. They had a script
that they were ready to work with, ready to put
onto film back in the before twenty ten. But there's
I mean, they've had issues with financing and distribution rights
and that sort of thing, and so yeah, it's been
a long time coming. And then in twenty eighteen we
got confirmation that it would happen, and then filming finished
up last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, sadly, I mean really unfortunately for them. They
released it at one of the worst possible times of
movie going history. This movie definitely was impacted by the coronavirus.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that truly sucks. So the budget on this
movie was twenty five million. Their opening weekend, which was
just last weekend, it's just been this week. They were
at about a million point two in the box office,
which I don't know how you mean. This movie came
out in some theaters, but for most of the world,
we're watching it on demand, like I watched it through
Amazon Prime.
Speaker 2: Right right, me too, Me too? Okay, So interestingly you
mentioned twenty ten. This is way back when twenty ten,
this ten years ago. Couna Reeves indicated that Chris Matheson
and Ed Solomon were definitely working on a Bill and
Ted three. Some of the ideas that they had involved
in this was time travel to the prehistoric era.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: They thought at that time that Socrates, you know, so
greats would be back. Yes, that Billy the Kid would
be back. They were expecting a cameo from Eddie van Halen.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that would have been awesome. You kind of
called that on the last episode of Wouldn't It Be Great?
Because Eddie van Halen had said after Bill and Ted's
Excellent Adventure came out that he would have been happy
to have been a part of the movie. And I mean,
there was a huge opportunity for that to happen. I
guess they just they couldn't work it out.
Speaker 2: I'm really sad that would have been super cool. Yeah,
and you know that groundwork was laid back in eighty
nine and for that to come to fruition would have
been amazing. But I'm not sure Eddie's in the best
of health right now. You know, he's definitely not very
active musically, which that would have been really cool to see.
Speaker 1: Well, ultimately, what they did once they once they were
full on about it, they started pushing social media a lot.
I know I heard about it first on Twitter, and
then they did just earlier this year, after they had
finished the movie, they did this contest for people to
submit videos of themselves playing along to one of the
songs from the movie. And as it turns out, those
people are in the movie.
Speaker 2: That's really I wish we'd have done that. Man, that
was a blown opportunity by us.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know how good I can dance, but
I would have loved to have had a little bit
part in this thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, it had been so cool. So that is a
crazy credit. Another crazy credit that I just found out
about is that there's a post credit scene of Bill
and Ted in the retirement home in like the old
Folks Home, jamming out.
Speaker 1: Yes. So yeah, hang on for the post credit scene.
I watched it. Jason got distracted before before he watched
it all the way through. But yes, there is a
post credit scene where they're playing some guitar.
Speaker 2: Just a couple of more notes about the incubation period
on this movie. The interesting thing to me is that
the studio did not want a sequel. Like the studio
was like, hey, let's if you guys want to do
a Bill and Ted movie, let's just reboot it and
start over. Oh And Chris Matheson and Ed Solomon and
Alex Winner and Keanu Reeves were like, no way, man,
this needs to be a sequel. Yeah, which to me,
I'm like, listen, I mean, Keanu Reeves is a full
blown movie star. Now why would you want to I mean,
he's he's ready to go, and these characters were successful.
I don't know why you would fight that idea.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well I'm glad that they won that battle
because a reboot would have been the wrong thing. I
mean it would have been it would have been Bill
and Ted's excellent TV show from back in ninety two,
which was just horrible. It's horrible.
Speaker 2: I never saw it.
Speaker 1: Sadly, you didn't miss anything Okay, well, that's good.
Speaker 2: The director of this movie is a guy named Dean Perso.
He has been attached to direct since August of twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Well, and he did movies like Galaxy Quest
and Fun with Dick and Jane, which to me, I mean,
that's the right feel. You know, You've that kind of quirky,
absurd humor is exactly what Bill and Ted need. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mentioned to you some of the interesting producers on
this movie. Yeah, so as I was watching the post
credit before I bailed on the post credit scene. I
mean some of the producers are Ed Solomon, Yeah, he's
the writer, Alex Winter, he plays Bill. You have Steven Soderberg,
who is an executive producer.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But William Sadler is a producer. That's the guy who
plays Death.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Grim Reaper, and he is a predominant part of
the movie. You you you mentioned, you know who is
in the movie. The only people to come back are
Bill and Ted and then Ted's dad, Captain Logan. Yes,
how Landon Jr. So how Landon Junior is how old.
Speaker 2: He's nearly eighty. He's pushing eighty. You know, he looks
about the same as he did in nineteen eighty eight.
Poor guy. So Amy Stock she's the girl who played
Missy in the first one. Yeah, I mean mom, I
mean Missy. Yeah. And now she's marrying Deacon, Ted's younger brother, right,
and that.
Speaker 1: Makes Napoleon behind because he was a dick. Before we
roll into the plot parts of the movie, let's talk
just a little bit about the actors in the movie,
because that's we're not spoiling anything by that. Playing the
part of Ted's daughter is Bridget Lundy Payne, who hasn't
been in a whole lot of other stuff. She actually
is the daughter of a couple of musicians, Laura Lundy
and Robert Paine. They both are performers in the Bay Area,
and she considers herself more of a pop artist than
an actress. But cool. She plays Billy, who is Ted's daughter,
and then Bill's daughter is thea. She is played by
Samara Weaving, who has been in quite a bit of stuff.
As a matter of fact, I was literally yesterday, I'm
walking through my living room and Brock is watching this
movie that I've seen him watch before that I just
thought was horrible. But as I'm going through, I'm like,
I know that girl. Who is that girl? The name
of the movie is The Babysitter. Don't let your kids
watch it if they're under the age of like fifteen,
But she is the babysitter. She's one of the main
roles in the film. Interestingly, she is the niece of
Hugo Weaving. And if you don't recognize that name right off,
he was the elf king in Lord of the Rings,
which I know you don't care for. But he was
also in a movie in nineteen ninety nine where he
played Agent Smith in that movie was called The Matrix.
Oh during, mister Keanu reeves, I have to think that
Agent Smith must have put in a good word with
Neo so that his niece could be a major role
in this movie. I'm going to be as forthcoming as
I can be, mister Anderson.
Speaker 2: You're here because we need your home.
Speaker 1: And she did a fantastic job. I'll just say that,
I think she was fantastic in the role. And so
those are your major players. And then for some smaller
parts that honestly to me, made the movie. You've got
Anthony Kerrigan, who I'll come to in just a second.
You've got Aaron Hayes, You've got Jimmiya and Maize, Holland Taylor,
and then Jillian Bell. So I'll start with Jillian Bell.
Jillian Bell as the psychiatrist. Yes, she does a fantastic
job in her part as a psychiatrist. My thirteen year
old thought she was maybe the funniest part of the movie. Wow, Okay,
Holland Taylor, you will recognize when you see her, Jason,
where did you? Where do you remember from?
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at her, I'm like, man, I know
this lady. She is from Romancing the Stone. She is
Joni's friend who tries to talk her out of going
to Cartagena.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: And she was old I thought in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 1: Well, I recognized her from Bosom Buddies. Oh man, she's
like the old Boss and Bosom Buddies.
Speaker 2: Now, okay, that's the time back then.
Speaker 1: I mean that's like eighty two or something.
Speaker 2: I'm okay, cool.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so she plays the Great Leader. You've got
Beck Bennett, who you probably will recognize for Saturday Night Live.
He's playing dec and who we mentioned is marrying.
Speaker 2: Missy yeah, Deacon Mary's Missy Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then you have the two princesses, who are once
again played by different actresses. We've had different actresses playing
the princesses in every single movie. Jamia Mays plays Princess
Joanna if you've seen Glee, she's like the love interest
of the music teacher in Glee, and then Aaron Hayes
plays Elizabeth. She was in the TV show Parenthood, which
is of course based on the movie Parenthood, which of
course is the other very Ted like part played by
Keanu Reeves.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've seen some people complaining that it wasn't the
original princesses. These girls do a great job, and they
look great and they're they're beautiful, and they pull off
the English medieval princess and all that stuff. I was
a little bit sad, especially Diane Franklin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's kind of an iconic eighties girl because there
were several like John Cusack.
Speaker 2: He's a dead he was in last American version. Yeah,
in Bell and Ted's Excellent Adventure, and she's on Twitter.
She's very active, she's still beautiful. I think they could
have maybe used her and that would have been really cool.
Speaker 1: Right, But the ladies that they have playing the princesses
do it. I think they do a good job.
Speaker 2: They did do a good job.
Speaker 1: They didn't have a lot to work with, and we
can talk about that in a minute, but it felt
like there was probably supposed to be more with them
that we just didn't get in the movie. And then
back to Parenthood the TV series. There's another actor, Anthony Kerrigan,
and he plays the part of Dennis Caleb McCoy, who,
if you've seen the previews, is the robot in the
movie and to me, is the best part of the
whole stinking movie.
Speaker 2: My only regret is there was not more of him.
He was very funny at all the right times. It
made me left one last.
Speaker 1: Note on an actor. And then we can dive into
We can dive into the plot a little bit full
on spoiler alert. There is one last actress, Kristin Shall.
She plays the part of Kelly, who is Rufus's George
Carlin is obviously no longer with us, but they did
a nod to him and his real daughter's name is
Kelly Carlin, and so for his daughter in the movie,
they had the character be named Kelly as well. I
thought that was pretty cool. All right, are you ready
to dive into the plot.
Speaker 2: Let's dive in his blood.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're on spoiler alert everybody. Here we go. We're
gonna start talking about the plot. So if you haven't
seen it, go watch it now, come back to us afterwards.
So this is a movie of Bill and Ted's midlife crisis.
They have reached middle age and they have not created
the song that would unite humanity and bring world peace.
And as I mentioned in our last episode, how many
guys our age are in that spot where you're like, man,
I felt like my life was going to be so
much more than this, and here I am not living
up to the potential I thought I had. And so
what makes it even worse for these guys is they
were flat out told they're going to save the world
and it still hasn't happened yet, right, right, So they
are at the beginning of the movie playing for as
we mentioned, Missy and Deacon's wedding, we get a retelling.
I gotta say I started, I said at the beginning,
this starts off kind of slow, and I thought that
having it start off with the wedding was a bad choice.
I think just you've got to have a little bit
of a punchy action at the beginning of the movie.
I mean, at the very beginning, the daughters describe what
we already know has happened in Bill and Ted's Excellent
Adventure and Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey. We get, you know,
a montage scene on that. But then it goes to
this wedding, which is I mean, the guests are bored
and it's kind of painful, and I didn't really want
to start the movie off that way. And then they
again they rehash some stuff that didn't need to be retold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've kind of got to tolerate the beginning of
the movie before it picks up. Yeah, and you prepped
me for that, And you were right when that that
song that they at the wedding, there are some people
that I think will bail at that moment, and I'm like,
that's that's gonna be a mistake.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I actually really like the song. I
was on board with with THEA and Billy. I was
like that, this is actually good. So you have You've
got Keanu Reeves. You know, they weren't musicians at all,
Like they had no idea what to do until the
very end of Bogus Journey. Where they ran off and
learned how to play guitar for eighteen months.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: But by the time we reach present day, they're playing
three or four different types of instruments at a time.
And Alex Winter starts starts with this vocal there's a
band I've really this is true. There's a band called
The Who, and it's not Who, it's just Hu. They're
out of Mongolia and they do this throat singing things,
kind of a mix between rock and roll and throat singing.
I've actually seen him live. My dad loves him and
he was like, Hey, I got to take us to
the concert. You want to go. I was like, sure, Dad,
I'll go to a concert with you. We've never done
that before. And so we got to see these guys
do this throat singing rock and roll music and I
it was fantastic.
Speaker 2: Okay, Ed, you're endorsing the song at the beginning of
the movie.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I know, I guess hate it, but I loved it.
I loved it. And Ted is playing the Theoreman, which
they give him props like Billy and the give him
props for later on. So he's playing the Theoreman and
they give him props saying it's saying, you know, you
did great. It was a whole lot like Clara Rockmore
and he's like, oh thanks, Clara Rockmore was a big
inspiration and she's nobody knows who that is. You know,
it's a random information. I had to go look it up.
But she was actually a proficient theorem and player actually
got asked to be married by the guy who invented
the theremon, which that instrument it has some rock and
roll history. It was a led Zeppelin instrument. We had
our podcast interrupted a bit ago when my kids started
playing the Immigrant Song at full volume up steam and
I couldn't get too mad at him because at least
they're listening to Zeppelin, that's right. But the rest of
the crowd hated it. It was a little slow, it
was a little boring, and it needed to be pepped up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, reality is folding in on itself. Time travel
has caused this disruption, and so there's a scene where
Jesus is at the Last Supper and he's plucked out
of the Last Supper and Babe Ruth is up to
bad and he's plucked out of the baseball game. George
Washington is plucked out of crossing the Delaware and Kid Cuddy,
who I didn't know who he was before I watched
this movie, and so they're all switched around. You know,
George Washington's up to bad and you know, it kind
of moves people around.
Speaker 1: And so the reason we find out later that all
this craziness is happening is because the universe is falling
in on itself because Bill and Ted have not created
their So Kelly shows up to bring them back to
the future where they meet the Great Leader, and they
find out that not only do they not achieve world
peace and the unity of humanity if they don't perform
their song, reality will cease to exist if they don't
come up with their song by seven seventeen that.
Speaker 2: Night, that night, like an hour from Yes, Yeah, from the.
Speaker 1: Seventy seventy minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, curiously, you and I discussed there's
a major plot hole, but who cares. It's a Bill
and Ted movie. If they don't solve this problem by
seven seventeen, reality no longer exists. Yes, they jump to
the future and they jump, they jump around.
Speaker 1: Well it's it is. They have Kid Cuddy do these
kind of brief explanations of the different theories of time
and space, and this is definitely not a time space
continuum thing. They even mentioned at some point in the
movies their movie, there are infinite futures connected to infinite pasts,
and there is no one or other thing, which is
how they kind of negotiate the whole process of this movie.
But I mean, even in the very first Bill and Ted,
they have to stay on time. Ted has to wind
his watch because somehow time is still going even though
you have a time machine. I don't I don't know
how it makes sense. I'm not going to try to
explain it. But I think the idea is things are
proceeding to a certain point, whether you're in the past
or in the future, because we have characters from the
past and characters to them from the future who will
all cease to exist if they do not perform the song,
which gives it a good deal more weight. But then
they discover not only that, but their wives are going
to leave them, yes, which to them seems almost more heavy.
Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Oh, and also the great Leader from the
future decides that they're death may actually be the fix
in reality, so she sends a robot after them to
kill him. It's like the Terminator basically, I'll be back right.
Speaker 1: Well, we mentioned in the last episode that Bill and
Ted's Boga's Journey came out the exact same weekend as
T two, and so how appropriate I mean I even
mentioned it. Then robots from the future coming back to
kill somebody to change the outcome of the future. It
happens again. They have a robot who they send back
to terminate Bill and Ted because that may be the
solution to the destruction of reality.
Speaker 2: I know, we don't want to give everything away, Let's
give people a chance to see this movie. But the
Terminator develops a conscience. He's kind of like Pinocchio. Right
after failing to do what he's been asked to do
at a couple of junctures in the movie, he starts
feeling sad and telling everybody his name is actually Dennis.
Speaker 1: Dennis Caleb McCoy is Caleb McCoy. Oh, it's so good.
I don't want to try to say anything that he said,
but I'm just gotta say that guy is hilarious.
Speaker 2: It is so funny, and it's like the rest of
the gang just tolerates him, right, all right, Let the
robot guy come with us, and.
Speaker 1: He just he was very much like he's very much
the way that Death was in Bogus Journey, where like
he's this imposing figure at first, and then he just
kind of becomes this awkward along for the ride kind
of guy.
Speaker 2: Yep, it was cool when you said let's rock because
it made me want to rock. You're going to just
get to and you're going to earn the right to yep.
And they nail that tone and then and then they
actually go back to Hell.
Speaker 1: Yes, gets killed. This is my favorite part of the
movie is I mean, other than the than the dentists,
the robot parts, but when Bill and Ted find THEA
and Billy in Hell and they're like, how are you doing?
And they say, well, we're dead and we're in Hell,
and then and then the Billet Tad go but how
are you doing and they're like, oh, yeah, good good,
We're good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so in Hell, Death has been demoted and
so he's just kind of hanging out. He got in
trouble for letting people go up there instead they should
be down here and yeah, and when they show up
and knock on his door, you can tell there's some
hard feelings that the way Wild Stallions ended.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is a very eighties hairband scenario for Wild Stallions.
The band has broken up and there's some very hard
feelings after many years still associated with that event. Yes,
but my gosh, that's that is some hilarity and so
glad that William Sadler came back. He is probably my
second favorite part of this movie. Does such an incredible job.
Speaker 2: So fun and like I said, this is just pure
sweet fun, you know, but just showing up. There's a
lot of nostalgia and they reunite with Death, their buddy
from Bogus Journey, and it's like, I don't know, it's
like Scooby Doo or something. They just kind of pick
up friends along the way and they're solving these problems.
Speaker 1: They're moving on. So just to give you a full
picture of what's going on as Bill and Ted moved
back and forth, or actually move into the future, talking
to their future selves about the song that they know
they must have written by now. They keep running into
trouble and the future selves are pretty hilarious along the
way as well.
Speaker 2: That's my favorite part of the movie when they jump
forward two years into the future, and they meet the
two year ahead us as.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the two year ahead.
Speaker 2: Us as are like, why don't you write the song
yourself and quit trying to steal it from us? Ted
to his older self, Ted, he's like, you're a head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that it cracked me up. It is good stuff.
They run into themselves in four different futures. Two years ahead,
five years ahead, Yes, ten years ahead, and then it
looks like about forty years ahead yeah, when they're in
the old folks home.
Speaker 2: So two years ahead was funny, five years ahead was hilarious.
They go to meet these guys and they appear to
be very successful rock stars with British accents, and they
chase them around this house, this mansion and turns out
to be Dave Grohl's house flash back to our Nirvana episode.
Speaker 1: By the way, never Mind was released two months after
Bogus Journey came out. Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Then and then they go to San Dimas Prison two
thousand and thirty. So they're all puffed up in jail.
They have huge muscles and it's it's almost ridiculous. It's
you know, it's check e cheese, like, uh, you know.
Speaker 1: It's absurd. It looks good, but it looks it's.
Speaker 2: Absurd, but yeah, but it does. But so they have
these tattoos and I paused it and I actually read
the tattoos on their body.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: So some of their tattoos say one says excellent. They
both have wild stallions. One has Heinous written on them,
and then Keanu Reeves on his stomach has Elizabeth and
Billy written on his stomach.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. So while they're going through the future to
try to find the song that they're supposed to write,
their daughters in an attempt to help them, are going
to the past, gathering musicians of the past to have
the greatest band in history.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the music.
Speaker 1: Are Jimmy Hendrix, They acquire Louis Armstrong, they acquire Wolfgang
Mozart Amadeis Mozart. Then they do this weird thing where
they get Lynn Lung, who is a mythical figure who's
said to have invented music from back in ancient China.
And then they go back to like eleven thousand BCE
to get some cave woman named Crumb who is supposed
to be the best drummer of all time. That one
was a bit of a stretch for me. I don't
really know why they had to do that. I don't
know how you're going to know about a drummer from
prehistoric times, given no writing existed. But whatever, you know,
that's the point of the movie is, you don't have
to explain it, right, That's what Bill and Dad is
really all about. You go and try to explain Hell
based on Bogus Journey, and you're going to be floundering.
It's the same idea, right.
Speaker 2: The girl who plays grum the cave woman, who's the
best drummer in history. Yeah, played by Patty Anne Miller,
who's the real life drummer for Beyonce and Cela Green.
Speaker 1: Oh nice. Well, yeah, that makes it a little bit better.
I think I'd never heard of ling Ln before, so
I get a little bit of education out of it.
But certainly to me, the choice of you know, one
of the greatest jazz musicians of all times, the guy
who redefined rock and roll guitar and Mozart, who is
arguably the best composer of all time, all solid choices,
and when you have that scene where Jimmy Hendrix is
playing out in the street while Mozart is playing on
the harpsichord up in the sitting room and Jimmy Hendrix
is matching him note for note. I thought it was
a throwback to that song that you love from Excellent
Adventure Come Play with Me, where Nuno Benningcourt is playing
a classical style on the electric guitar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that scene gave me chills. I haven't heard
great electric guitar like that in a while, and that
was really cool.
Speaker 1: Yep. So once, once they are once they're doing that.
So when Mozart comes out, his first line is, hey,
you see the guides this out, which literally trans who
is the horniest sow here, but apparently in German translates
to who is the coolest bastard here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, zimm he's obviously.
Speaker 1: It's nice to see Mozart being obviously impressed with Jimmy Hendrix.
And so they gather up the band. They ultimately meet
up in Hell, and then we reached the end of
the movie, and I won't tell you what happens, But.
Speaker 2: The only thing I was going to add is I
believe that the demons that they meet in Hell the
nice demons, Yes, are Ed Solomon and Chris Matheson.
Speaker 1: I am sure of it. I knew that they were
going to be a cameo in there, and when those
guys popped up, I was like, Oh, there they are.
I know it is them. I haven't looked to verify,
but it's got to be. It's got to be them. Okay,
that's good. That's a great part too.
Speaker 2: And I did want to mention this that there is
just a little tidbit, little East egg we talked about
the East Triggs. I got a couple of East t
eggs for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So at the scene when the Great Leader says, you
have everything you need to go make the song, Go
make the song. And when they walk up, there's a
there's a bunch of instruments, including the two guitars that
they got at the end of Excellent Adventure, ready for
them inside the display.
Speaker 1: Case from Rufus. Yeah, from Rufus.
Speaker 2: And there is a battleship game on the shelf in
Death's apartment. And if you'll recall, Bill and Ted beat
Death in a game of battleship during Bogus Journey, I've
sunk my beast ship Ellent. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this is Alex Winner's first like non cameo kind
of appearance since Freaked in nineteen ninety three. He has
been a director and producer since that time, and so
to prepare for this role, he actually took acting lessons.
Speaker 2: Again, well, good for him. He did a great job.
I have no complaints at all. Awesome job.
Speaker 1: Well, and so we might as well talk about it here.
There are there are two complaints that I have with
this movie, okay. First is that the beginning drags and
unnecessarily so I think they could have done that better. Okay.
Second complaint that I have in this, with all due
respect to the actor and the star power of Keanu Reeves,
he didn't smile. It wasn't I mean he was. He
was the less of of the two Bill and Ted,
of the of the Bill and Ted pair. He has
he has this awkward moment where he's like, when they
suddenly realized that really reality is going to end, He's
got this moment where he's like.
Speaker 2: Well, save reality as we know it, uniting humanity across
all time.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry what so that that moment? I'm just like, uh, Keano,
what are you doing to me?
Speaker 2: Man o?
Speaker 1: Man So we talked last We talked about last episode
how they used to just tell him more labrador, right right, right,
fun and happy and goofy. In this movie, we have
our good old labrador and Bill. He's an older labrador,
but he's still a labrador. Yes, somehow it's turned into
a constipated, fascet hound.
Speaker 2: I think you're being a little bit hard on him,
but I do agree with you, guys. You and I
talked off air. I don't think he smiled like the
entire movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is no labrador.
Speaker 2: So in Bill and Ted's excellent adventure, Bill actually gets
mad at Ted for talking about missing his dad getting
it on in his bedroom. Yeah, he finally is like,
shut up, Ted, and he looks stunted for a second,
and then he breaks into this humongous labrador smile. We
don't see that labrador smile the entire movie, right, But
he does have some funny moments. I'm not going to
trash him. I thought that he did the the pissed
off ted pretty well.
Speaker 1: You know he was he Here's what I'll say about this.
For the spot that they are in life, it may
not be too far off. I mean, I've known plenty
of people who were happy, go lucky people when they
were in high school who have turned into kind of jaded,
upset folks. And to start the movie off, Bill and
Ted are struggling. They're playing to groups of almost nobody,
and Ted ultimately is the one that said, Hey, I
went to go see how much they would give me
for my guitar at the at the music trade, he
was ready to be done. He felt like he had
given up, he had lost hope. And I said, movie,
you know, this midlife crisis idea is kind of a push.
I mean, it's kind of the underlying theme. But I
don't know, maybe it's just too much, or maybe it
needed to be there. Maybe it's right that they that
he'd be sad. I didn't think it was awful, Like
I wasn't painful for me to watch him as an actor.
I just thought, man, just a hint more of the
labrador that he used to be at some point in
the movie would have been good. I agree, But to
touch on something that kind of moved me as I
watched this, especially the second time I watched it. When
you think about we as grown men who have kids
who have looking at where we are in life, and
we think of all of the things that we failed
to accomplish, that we thought that we would. We have
this beautiful moment in the movie. And I don't want
to give too much away, but you look at your kids,
who maybe you saw making all the same stupid mistakes
that you did, and then suddenly you realize that they're
wonderfully brilliant, unique people who may just end up saving
the world. Yeah, and that's a great That is a
great portion of this movie that we can dwell on
all the things that we haven't accomplished and miss out
on what we happened.
Speaker 3: Oh but you are right away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great, man, that's great. Make me cry at
the end of this thing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it again. I'm gonna tear up. I'm
gonna tear up every time I see that point of
the movie again. Oh and it's interesting that you have
that moment with Ted's dad as well. Yeah. Ted's dad
starts out at the movie saying, you never time traveled,
you never went to Hell. You're still just a couple
of losers, and now your daughters are losers too, And
then spoiler alert, they meet up with him again in Hell.
He realizes he's wrong. He's like, and you know that
means that you did time travel you did go to
hell and I owe you an apology. I'm sorry. You
get this great moment where Ted and Captain Logan hug
and he's like thanks Dad, and then Bill goes, yeah, thanks,
after Logan goes, I wasn't talking to you, Bill.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I really enjoyed the characters that they picked up
along the way in this movie. They picked you know,
you've got Captain Logan, like you said, they pick up
Dennis Caleb McCoy, the Robot Terminator, they get Death, They've
got Kelly Rufus's daughter, They've got Billy and THEA, plus
you get all the musicians. It's it's really a lot.
Speaker 1: Of fun before we go, and I don't mention it
because we have to mention at anytime there's an availability
to mention it. On those closing credits where you see
all the people dancing, there's a cameo appearance by the
One the Only mister Weird Al Yankovic.
Speaker 2: Oh are you serious?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Is he gonna make every podcast we ever do?
Speaker 1: I hope? So we got to have him up at
every single time. And Happy birthday to Keanu Reeves. We're
actually recording on his birthday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fifty seven.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he's had facial hair for about the
last twenty five years and was weird to see him
without facial hair.
Speaker 2: It was it's like watching Sean Connery and Never Say
Never Again.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what exactly like that. Actually, yeah, wow,
same age, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well he was fifty two and never Say Never Again.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So Keanu Reeves is five years older
than Sean Connery when he came back after twelve years
to finally play James Bond again.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's insane. Hey, throw forward to our
upcoming episode James Bond of the Sixties versus James Bond
of the seventies meet in the James Bond Movie of
the eighties.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's time we can move into final judgment.
Speaker 2: Okay, can we spit it out first?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Go, I'm dying to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Go for it.
Speaker 2: So this is the first movie released after COVID nineteen.
We have not had any movies in movie theaters since
March of twenty twenty, and I'm so glad it's this one.
It's funny, it's interesting, it's sweet, it's family, it's nostalgic,
I enjoyed it. I watched it three times and it
wasn't a chore. I had so much fun. I love
the characters. Bill and Ted are still sweet. Although we
want a little more labidor, they were still fun and
funny characters. Their daughters were pretty good. I didn't fall
in love with them, but you know good. I love Death,
I loved Dennis Caleb McCoy. I thought Kelly as Rufus's
daughter was funny, and Captain Logan was great. Characters were funny,
the plot was good. It's not Oscar winning, but I
had a great time and that's all I can ask for,
and I'm super excited to share it with my family.
And I had a great time.
Speaker 1: D Okay. So I came into this movie with low expectations,
and we throw some stuff out there on Facebook and
we had one person who left a comment referring to
it as garbage, and I've seen another couple of negative
comments since then. So my expectations were pretty low coming
into it. And as we've said a few times now,
at the beginning, I was like, oo, okay, this is
They're going to have to pick this up a little bit.
But they did it. They picked it up. They brought
it along. Well. Things start clicking along at about fifteen
to twenty minutes in, which is a great time to
really get the action rolling in a movie. And then
once I was done with it, I started thinking about
it in relationship to Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure and
Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey. Those are not Oscar winning movies.
Those are movies that are simple fun. They don't you
don't have to think, you don't have to, you know,
fix all of the plot holes, because there's many in
all three of these movies. This is really about simple fun.
If you just think back like I when I was
watching them in the future, I was just like, wow, okay,
obvious screen screen pretty. I mean, let me say this,
the special effects were worse than Jurassic Park, which was
made back in the nineties, but I think they might
have been a little bit better than Justice League. They
are the computer graphics are apparent, right, but let's put
that aside. Think about what the people were wearing at
the beginning of Bogus Journey. It looked like they were
all in foam that somebody had cut out at the
high school play. I mean, it was it was terrible. Costuming,
it was ridiculous, and so don't. I mean, this movie
had a budget of twenty five million dollars. Don't expect
Star Wars. Don't expect that kind of amazing movie. If
you come in thinking I'm going to have a fun
time with my kids watching a movie that I don't
have to worry about what they're going to see, You're
going to be satisfied in this movie. I enjoyed it.
I will watch it again with the whole family. And
when I did watch it, I watched it with my
thirteen year old who was the only one that watched
Excellent Adventure with me a couple of years ago before
we ever knew that this movie was coming out, and
he's never seen Bogus Journey and he enjoyed the movie
as well. So is it worth the watch? Absolutely gonna
win an oscar.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Am I going to rewatch it, probably multiple times like
I have with the other movies. You bet it is good, clean,
late eighties, early nineties style, fun, awesome.
Speaker 2: We want to hear what you think. Did you guys
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what you think.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we truly appreciate you guys tuning in. We're
getting so much positive feedback. Speaking of kids, we had
so we get a comment from James Buckley, and I'll
paraphrase a little bit here, but he says, I cannot
emphasize how much I love your podcast enough. I was
born in the seventies, and the eighties and the nineties
were my high school and college years. I have been
enjoying reliving these moments, and my daughter is discovering all
these new things with me. We go home and watch
the movies that you guys talk about, and it is
a wonderful bonding experience. And I was just like, Wow,
that's I mean, that's exactly what we needed. And this
is the perfect movie to talk about it because it's
about the relationship between parents and children and how even
though we're different, we can we can still enjoy things together.
That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Thank you James for listening. And shout out to you
and your daughter. We don't know her name, but hey,
James's daughter. Hey, I want to give a quick shout
out to a good friend of mine. You know, him
as well, but he and I are close friends. Tristan Martin,
we have if you ever seen The Talking Dead, it's
a TV show that they sit around and discuss the
episode right after the episode airs. So every time we
have a podcast drop, Tristan listens and then calls me
and gives me feedback and we discuss the way through it.
So just really good to have a friend who is
that interested in what I'm doing and takes the time
to listen and takes the time to give me feedback,
and just really appreciate him. He's a good, good friend
of mine. Thank you, Tristan, appreciate you give.
Speaker 1: I'll give that same shout out for Arlen Bullard. We've
mentioned both of them in podcast past, but it really
means a lot to have a friend that will listen
to your show and then talk to you about everything
that you did right and everything that you did wrong. Yep,
after they've listened through and then keep on listening. It's
it's great, but we thank you all. We hope you
keep listening. We've got lots of fun stuff planned for
the future, and for now we will sign off, but
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Speaker 2: Use a five star review on Apple podcasts if you
are so inclined. Hey, one more thing before we go,
all right, so do you give in your opinion on
Face to Music. We both loved Excellent Adventure. Yes, Fogus
Journeys somewhere in there as well. Let's rank these one, two, three?
Speaker 1: Where are you okay? This is interesting because when we
released the episode about Bogus Journey and Excellent Adventure, I
thought everybody was going to be on the same page
with us. Excellent Adventure is obviously the best, and Bogus
Journey is good, but it finish the second. We have
had a substantial response of people who said Bogus Journey
is better and I blowed the idea. I mean, they
talk about how they went in a completely different direction
than before, they were more literary. It was. It was
an amazing piece of work. So where does this fall
for me? I love all three movies, they're all They're
all wonderful. I actually am gonna have to say I
like this movie better than I liked Bogus Journey. Excellent
Adventure will always be number one for me. It's got
just too special a place in my heart. Bogus Journey
when I rewatched it, I enjoyed it, but it didn't
have that same nostalgia for me. Watching this one, I
felt like they tied those two movies together very well,
and so this will be one that I rewatch more
than I watch Bogus Journey. So it's got to be
Excellent Adventure number one. Face the Music number two, Bogus
Journey number three. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Okay, nothing will dethrone excellent Adventure. I don't think ever
right that that's the best Bill and Ted movie. That
one is so much fun, So that's obviously number one
for me. I'm going with Face the Music number two.
It edges out Bogus Journey. It's not a big discrepancy,
but I just had a little bit more fun watching
Face the Music. So I would say it's one, three,
two and three and two are close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that that's.
Speaker 2: Really what you That's the best you could have hoped
for with number three. Anyway, all right, I love to
hear your feedback on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us what you think all right, Jason d
been fun. Join us next week.
Speaker 2: For James Bond. Come join us for our Sean Connery
versus Roger Moore discussion where we talked about octopusy and
never say never again in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to that and in the meantime, be excellent
to each other.
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