WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:03.120 All right, what is going on? 2 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:06.799 It is drivetime. It's a Thursday afternoon. It's about nine 3 00:00:06.839 --> 00:00:09.160 minutes past the hour of two o'clock. 4 00:00:09.919 --> 00:00:11.480 It's like a chamber of commerce day. 5 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:14.919 Outside it's seventy five degrees, it's sunny, beautiful, looks like 6 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:18.079 we have a great weekend ahead, and as it is 7 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:20.039 every single day, it's gonna have you along for the ride. 8 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:24.000 Spence check, it's behind the mic. That's Porter Larsen behind 9 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:27.359 the glass today producing the program. You've got a lot 10 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:30.519 to do with jam packed on this Thursday afternoon, Thursday 11 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.439 Night Football. You can hear it on your home with 12 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:37.079 the NFL in this market. That's US ESPN seven hundred, 13 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:40.399 the New York Football Jets host the New. 14 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:43.159 England Patriots six fifteen. 15 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:46.719 Tonight is your kick Amazon Prime, so you can be 16 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:48.640 you can be a grown up like me and get 17 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:49.560 Amazon Prime. 18 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:51.560 You can be a childlike quarter and steal it from 19 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:52.119 your mother. 20 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:54.920 So you can watch football either way. I'm not judging. 21 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.560 That's just the dynamic tonight. As Thursday Night Football gets going, 22 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:01.920 we are high speed ahead to an a week and 23 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:04.959 I should say massive weekend in the world of college football. 24 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:08.879 We're gonna get to all the storylines. How we doing, guys, 25 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:09.280 how we doing? 26 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:09.480 You? 27 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:12.200 Fans? We uh a little nervous about this weekend. 28 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:15.680 A lot of you panicked when the Vegas line moved 29 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:18.439 last night, and it moved very rapidly. 30 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:19.319 Something's up. 31 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:22.159 I'm not saying something's not up, but I don't know 32 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:22.799 if that's something. 33 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:25.280 Is Cam Risey not going to Stillwater? I don't know. 34 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:27.120 I know a lot of people are talking about that, 35 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:32.879 as the Vegas line moved rapidly last night. When we 36 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:36.719 said good night at six o'clock yesterday on a Wednesday, 37 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.719 the Utah Utes were a two point favorite over Oklahoma 38 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:44.120 State in Stillwater. As we sit here today, Oklahoma State 39 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:47.959 is a two point five point favorite. For you math 40 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:50.799 experts out there, that's a four and a half point 41 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:52.480 swing in a matter of hours. 42 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:54.120 That's not nothing. 43 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:56.719 I'm not saying, you know, I'm not saying that there 44 00:01:56.799 --> 00:02:02.840 isn't anything going on. I remind you last year, despite 45 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:05.959 being trolled on the interwebs by losers who use the 46 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:08.879 Internet to feel brave, I'm the one that gave you 47 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:11.240 the info that Cam and Bryant we're not gonna play 48 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:11.719 all year. 49 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:13.879 That was about week three or four, caught a. 50 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:15.800 Lot of pushback from it, caught a lot of heat 51 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:19.879 from it, but I was right, And as I can 52 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:23.159 tell you today, I've done the best I could to 53 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:27.319 get some info for the situation coming up on Saturday 54 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.120 and Stillwater and everyone I talked to he says he's going. 55 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:32.199 Everyone I talked to, he says he's playing. I don't know. 56 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:36.039 That's a weird, weird dynamic for a line to move 57 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:37.800 that much. So we're gonna get into it today. We're 58 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:40.159 gonna get you ready for this Utah game coming up. 59 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:45.319 YU has a challenging task of their own on Saturday 60 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:49.960 night in Provo as Kansas State rolls into town. Kansas 61 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:52.000 State at the number thirteen team in the country. I 62 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:55.960 am of the opinion that this conference, despite the parody 63 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:58.479 throughout the majority of it, is top heavy with two 64 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:02.199 teams I think one case State, I think the other's Utah. 65 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:04.840 Right now, Kansas ctatey six point five point favorite, that 66 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:08.319 line is held pretty still and the over unders forty 67 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.360 eight point five. Just over a week away from the 68 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:16.199 Utah Hockey Club getting rolling pre season style the Saint 69 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:19.800 Louis Blues, and then they'll be home to take on 70 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.240 the La Kings. I'm laughing because I just never thought 71 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:24.520 I'd be talking about these teams that I grew up 72 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:27.120 watching and coming to Salt Lake City play. NHL Hockey 73 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.919 Media Day was yesterday. So excited for pro hockey to 74 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:35.199 land here at our market. And we are about two 75 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:36.719 weeks away from Jazz training camp. 76 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:37.280 How about that. 77 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:39.319 We got a little bit of everything going on, a 78 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:41.919 little bit of everything going on. Shout out to our 79 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:44.360 little old soccer club who could ral saw Lake a 80 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:48.479 three to two win over FC Dallas last night in 81 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:52.639 Sandy and Anderson Julio brace soccer term race as a 82 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:56.000 soccer term. That's two goals and RSL was able to 83 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:59.719 hold on three to two. Robert Turbin, Big Show, Big Hour, 84 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.400 Aaron rogerc Mee, Spence, check at Zach Guy, Porter Larson, 85 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:03.960 how is your Thursday afternoon? 86 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:07.240 Thursday's gone well, Spencer, and we got football today, so 87 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:10.840 obviously we're looking forward to that. I don't know how 88 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:14.319 much maybe you are looking forward to it, but of 89 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:18.519 course Jet's Patriots tonight and looking forward to a really 90 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:21.879 really good weekend of college football in the market as well, 91 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:24.000 with both a game we'll be watching on the road 92 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:26.600 and a game that hopefully a bunch of folks in 93 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:28.480 the market can get to Dan and Probo. 94 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:30.480 All right, our first guest right out of the gates 95 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.240 will be Robert Turbin. Once upon a time, a really 96 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:36.120 good running back for Utah State played pro football as well. 97 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:39.439 But before we get to Robert on a Thursday, courtesy 98 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:41.600 of our good friends, you're good friends too. 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Standard Restaurant Supply thirty five hundred 113 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:27.759 Southwest Temple. 114 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.160 All right, so when we said good night last night 115 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:34.639 six o'clock on a Wednesday, the University of Utah was 116 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:38.639 a two point favorite over Oklahoma State heading into the 117 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:41.240 game coming up in just a couple of days now 118 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:43.560 about twenty four hours or excuse me, forty eight hours 119 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:47.879 away as we sit here currently ish at boone Pickens Stadium. 120 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:50.480 Two o'clock PM is your kickoff on the. 121 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:53.000 Mountains on the Mountain time Zone, and then the TV 122 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:56.560 coverage will be on Fox. Our pregame coverage for the 123 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:59.720 radio side, we'll begin at ten o'clock with Porter Larsen. 124 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:02.800 I'll hand it over to Bill Riley and Scott Mitchell 125 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:05.720 and Stevenson Sylvester for the call. So of course, as 126 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:07.360 always as you're home of the Utes, you can hear 127 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:11.800 the game on this radio station. So last night, round 128 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:15.319 eight nine o'clock I get like four or five texts 129 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.920 right away, Hey is Cam playing on Saturday. I'm like, well, 130 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.800 I think so that's what everybody is under the impression 131 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:24.959 that Cameron will be back under center. Every conversation I've 132 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:26.959 had every report, I've read. 133 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:27.839 Every show I've listened to. 134 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.199 Everyone seems to be operating off the premise that cam 135 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:33.959 is playing on Saturday in Stillwater. 136 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:38.519 However, well, we'll kind of take a little trip into. 137 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:40.439 The Doloreate and go back a year a year ago 138 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:43.680 on this show, it was about this time, week three 139 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:47.360 or week four, where after all of the Dog and 140 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:50.000 Ponty show every single week, from the coaches and the 141 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:52.519 players up there, it's like, hey, yeah, we're preparing this 142 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:54.879 if he's gonna play. At some point we're like, dude, 143 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:55.480 what's the deal? 144 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:55.920 Okay? 145 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:59.399 And I want to be clear, like, until coach Wit 146 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:02.560 and his staff are mandated by the conference or college 147 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:07.079 football to report injuries side note, they should be, but 148 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:10.040 they're not. And until they are, I get this game 149 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:12.439 now as a media member and somebody who's covering the 150 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:14.480 team and trying to speak to the community about what 151 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:17.639 we can expect. It drives me crazy. But nobody gives 152 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.160 a rip about that. We all care about Utah Football 153 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:24.560 winning football games. So it is to the you know, 154 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:28.279 the benefit of coach with his staff in Utah football 155 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:32.160 to keep the opponents guessing, and certainly with the component 156 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.439 of simply how important camera it is to Utah football. 157 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:37.480 I mean, look, Isaac looked good last week, all right, 158 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:40.240 but that's Utah stated respect. This is a different beast 159 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:45.639 in Stillwater, it's a different stadium in Stillwater. And if 160 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:48.480 Isaac Wilson is under center on Saturday, I don't know 161 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:49.279 that Utah can. 162 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:50.839 Get that done. That's not a knock on him. 163 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:54.920 It would be Isaac's first experience on the road in 164 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:59.000 the Big twelve in a scenario and an environment like that. 165 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.639 It's different than average stadium, it's different the logan, it's 166 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:03.879 different than any of the high school stadiums he's played in. 167 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:08.839 This would be the very definition of drinking from a 168 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:12.720 fire hose and baptism by fire if Isaac Wilson is 169 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:15.600 under centered against Oklahoma State. So anyway, I get these 170 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:17.600 text messages and I'm like, why are people texting me 171 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:18.839 asking if cam's gonna play? 172 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:20.800 And then they all said the same thing. Look at 173 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:21.360 the line. 174 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:24.319 So I signed off air last night, six o'clock, Utah 175 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:25.079 two point favorite. 176 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:27.519 I get home, walk the dog, have some dinner, come home. 177 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.920 Within about two hours, two and a half hours, the 178 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:36.720 line went from Utah Favored by two to Oklahoma State, 179 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:39.279 favored by two and a half. You don't see that 180 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:43.440 very often. It doesn't mean nothing. Typically, if a line's 181 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:47.080 gonna move, it'll move half a point, maybe one point. 182 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.399 It doesn't move four and a half points in the 183 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:51.639 matter of a couple of hours unless something's up. 184 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:54.360 So let's discuss who knows what it is. Okay, let's 185 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:56.320 be clear. I don't. I'm not reporting anything. 186 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:58.679 I kicked the tires on a bunch of people today, 187 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:00.919 including the source who gave me that Cam and Brandt 188 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:02.919 were going to sit all of last year. That I 189 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:06.840 told you about week three or four, angering youte fans 190 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:07.519 on the internet. 191 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:09.799 But whatever, I was right, I stand by it. 192 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:13.919 And I got nothing on Cam on Saturday other than 193 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.559 the walking line we received from the team and the 194 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:19.600 institution that he's good to go. I listened to a 195 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:23.240 couple of podcasts this morning, a couple of shows this 196 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:26.480 morning previewing the weekend head in college football. They all 197 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.279 talked about a massive game in Stillwater. Because there are 198 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:32.639 a ton of really good games on the slate, this 199 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:35.480 is one of the top three or four regardless of conference. Okay, 200 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.799 because there's so much on the line, I do believe 201 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.879 the winner of this game puts themselves in i'll just 202 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:44.720 call the proverbial driver's seat to do something special in 203 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:49.559 conference play, UTA schedule is favorable this year. Utah left 204 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:51.360 out a little bit with some of the scheduling stuff. 205 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.440 Okase did two a little bit, But they're up against 206 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:57.519 KSE State next week, who I think right now is 207 00:09:57.559 --> 00:09:59.679 the second best team of the conference, next to the youth. 208 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:03.200 A lot on the line, a lot at stake, and 209 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:06.840 everybody who's previewing this game, everybody who's writing about this game, 210 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:09.559 everybody who's talking about this game is talking about it 211 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:14.159 with the understanding that Cam is expected to be under center. However, 212 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:17.840 that line moving doesn't mean nothing. I don't know what 213 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:20.440 it means. It could mean that somebody got some inside 214 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:23.759 info that Cameron is not going to play. For it 215 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:27.240 to move for and a half points means something significant happened. 216 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:31.039 It could also be sharks and wise guys and really 217 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.159 you know, really intense gamblers who have massive bank rolls 218 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.960 deciding that once it did move that much to Utah, 219 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:42.559 they felt better about putting their money to move the 220 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:43.759 line towards Okay State. 221 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:46.960 That could be on the table. But for it to 222 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.679 move for and a half points. That's seven figures. 223 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:52.440 Okay, that's a massive, massive bet from a shark or 224 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:54.600 a wise guy that decided he liked the line and 225 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:56.519 decided he was going to throw a bunch of chedder 226 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:59.279 on it. But I can't sit here today and tell 227 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:02.519 you I know exactly what's going on. So we'll move 228 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:05.399 on from it and essentially talk about this game through 229 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:07.879 the prison and through the lens of Cam under center, 230 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:10.600 because that's what I've been told. I can't, you know, 231 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:13.480 it can't pontificate on possibilities that are just out there. 232 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:15.440 We have to talk about the information that we have, 233 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:16.159 and that is Cam. 234 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:20.240 We'll play, and if Cam does play, I'm starting to 235 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:23.919 feel like this could be a comfortable ish type win 236 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:27.639 for Utah. So Oklahoma State on defense has been bad. 237 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:31.759 Now they've got athletes, they've got size up front. I actually, 238 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:34.639 and Porter, this won't surprise you. Grinding on tape last 239 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:40.960 night of Tulsa OKC. Tulsa's defensive line was blowing Oklahoma 240 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:42.759 State's offensive line off the line. 241 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:43.919 They were pushing them back. 242 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:47.320 And Tulsa's defensive line doesn't have close to what Utah's 243 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:51.159 defensive line has. However, it's on the other side where 244 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:52.919 I think if you're okay State, you got to be 245 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.039 really concerned about a Utah offense. 246 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:59.600 If if if Cameron Rising's under center. 247 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:03.519 Oklahoma State has given up the third most explosive plays 248 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:06.039 in college football this year. They've given up twenty five 249 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:10.720 plays of twenty yards or more. Arkansas had eight. They 250 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:12.919 should have lost that Arkansas game if you watch it. 251 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:16.799 Okay State needed a miracle to come back. But they 252 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:21.000 stay clean defensively. They're a bit of a sieve right now. 253 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:25.159 They're really underperforming. I mean again, they smoke Tulsa, but 254 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:27.720 they give up thirty one to Arkansas. 255 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:28.840 They give up eight big plays. 256 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.519 They've given up eight plays of over twenty yards, which 257 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:34.600 is excuse me, twenty five plays of over twenty yards 258 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:38.080 on defense, which is the third worst in the country. Now, 259 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:40.240 where it gets tricky is if on the other side, 260 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.320 cameras not under center. Because if that's the case, I 261 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:45.159 can see a little bit of an attack where it 262 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:50.320 is run heavy, kill the clock, keep Bowman and Gordon 263 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:52.440 on the sideline, and try to get out of dodge 264 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:55.600 with like a thirteen to ten win or something. Because 265 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:57.440 I just don't know that you can count on a 266 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:00.879 freshman quarterback to roll into a place like Picking Stadium 267 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.120 and still water and just sling it like you did, 268 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:03.600 you know in. 269 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:05.000 The second ALFA against Utah State. 270 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:08.919 So if we get any information about this, we'll bring 271 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:11.879 it to you for sure. Like I said, the line 272 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:14.279 moving was weird, I'm not saying that it's not. I 273 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:15.919 just can't tell you what it means because I don't 274 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:17.519 have any intel, And we'll just kind of have to 275 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:20.879 wait until Saturday to see what it looks like. All right, 276 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:24.480 KSE State in Provo coming up Saturday night. Love the 277 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:26.200 way the schedule is kind of playing out. You can 278 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:28.600 watch the ute game, you can grab some dinner, and 279 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.399 they get ready for a late kick in Provo at 280 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:34.200 eight point thirty where BYU welcomes in k State. This 281 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:36.960 line has state steady. K State is a six point 282 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.559 five point favorite. The over unders forty eight point five, 283 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:42.919 so it's a late kick. If you're driving down there, 284 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:45.559 godspeed man, you're gonna be home at three am if 285 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.240 you live up here. If you're down there, maybe grab 286 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.039 some swig and you enjoy your evening. 287 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:51.879 For me. 288 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:55.440 For BYU, this would be a massive, massive win. For 289 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:59.000 them in my opinion, based off of how I feel 290 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:02.039 they've kind offer so far. Still with a bunch of 291 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:05.120 questions to be asked about whether or not that defense 292 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:06.320 second year under J Hill. 293 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:07.960 Of course Kilani as the head coach. 294 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:09.759 It looks like a defense that is coached by J 295 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:13.399 Hill and coached by Kilanie. But how real is it 296 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.720 based off the competition that we've seen so far Southern Illinois, 297 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:17.639 I still. 298 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:18.919 Give them a ton of credit. We're going to talk 299 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:19.759 to a Rod about this. 300 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:23.159 The road win at SMU, they smoked a really bad 301 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:24.000 Wyoming team. 302 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:27.120 K State is different. They bullied Arizona. 303 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:30.240 Watching that game, I was extremely impressed Avery Johnson, dual 304 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:33.840 threat quarterback. If BYU's defense can look like it has 305 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:36.200 for the first three weeks, they got a puncher's chance here. 306 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:39.480 This is on the offense. I know we'll ask a 307 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:42.159 Rod about the running back help or health. I should 308 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:45.240 say last week against Wyoming they were without their first 309 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.480 two choice running backs and LJ. Martin and Hinckley Rapati. 310 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:51.320 So we'll see if Miles Davis gets a little run. 311 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:54.000 But to me, this comes down to BYUS quarterback. Jake 312 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:56.240 Retzloff has to be better. Has to take care of 313 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.639 the football, has to get up and down, you know, 314 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:01.840 when it comes to completely bottling up Kansas State. 315 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:03.039 I think that's a lot to ask. 316 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:05.159 In your defense, I think Jake's gonna have to really 317 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.799 put it one of the best performances of his career 318 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:10.879 out there coming up in provo for BYU to get 319 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:14.840 to win. However, Porter the most under talked about element 320 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:19.240 of BYUK States, and my reporting is indicated coming up 321 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:22.440 on Saturday night, they are going to have the original 322 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:27.759 maple flavored cougar tails, but they are offering a special 323 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:32.039 Vanella frosting addition. Stop it of cougar tails on Saturday night, 324 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:35.519 and when BYU offers the special edition cougartail, I have 325 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:37.519 a hard time picking against him. It seems like there's 326 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:38.480 gonna be a lot of motivation. 327 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:40.320 And you said vanilla Vanella frosting. 328 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:42.360 I might have to make a trip just for a 329 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:44.080 cougartail for the football as well. 330 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.279 Okay, let's be clear, Big twelve football as well. There's 331 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:49.759 also new packaging for the cougartail. Okay, yeah, tell me 332 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:52.759 about it. Well, that's all there is. It's vanilla frosting 333 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:53.639 and it's new packaging. 334 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:54.679 It sounds exciting. 335 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:56.759 I think you got to pick Cougar's if they're going 336 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:58.279 with the new cougartail. 337 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:00.519 I'm going to pick the Wildcats, but I might go 338 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:01.000 eat a. 339 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:03.879 Cougar till all right, fair enough, So two massive games 340 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.000 coming up this weekend. Excited to learn a little bit 341 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.960 more about Utah. Excited to learn a little more about BYU. 342 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.679 All right, coming up on the other side, more college football. 343 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.360 Robert Turbin, one of the best ever doing at Utah State, 344 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.720 was on the broadcast for Utah State Utah week ago. 345 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:21.480 We'll bring in Robert today, Big show, Big big hour 346 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:25.039 with Buller and Monson, BYU offensive coordinator Aaron Roderick, and 347 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.399 we'll say good night at six on a Thursday. 348 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:28.200 So keep it right here. 349 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:32.159 Big weekend of college football ahead, Massive weekend at college 350 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:34.360 football ahead, both locally and nationally. 351 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:36.120 Some great games on the schedule. 352 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:40.240 Utah Heads and still Water CEE, Oklahoma State on Saturday afternoon. 353 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:42.960 And then it's BYU's turn to welcome in k State. 354 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:45.840 Our next guests joins us a couple of times a 355 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:47.840 year if we're lucky, if the schedules line up. The 356 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:51.720 offensive coordinator of the BYU Cougars Aaron Roderick on a 357 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:52.600 Thursday afternoon. 358 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:53.759 Ay, Rod, how you doing, buddy? 359 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:55.639 I'm doing well. 360 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:55.840 Hey. 361 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:58.240 The intro song, that's a good touch. 362 00:16:58.440 --> 00:16:58.759 Like it. 363 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:00.759 That's your gig. That's your song. 364 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:02.799 Because I remember, I think the first time I had John, 365 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:05.079 like five years ago or something, I'm like, give me 366 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:06.440 the band, you said, drive by. 367 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:08.200 So every time we have you on, that's your bed. 368 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:10.559 I love it. Nice job. 369 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:12.519 You you seen them lately? 370 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:16.160 I have, yeah, yeah, saw them the summer. 371 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:18.720 Did you see the show up here? Because I went 372 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:20.799 to the show up here in Salt Lake. You were 373 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:21.359 at that show? 374 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:25.119 Okay? I was, yep, very nice, good time, very nice. 375 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:25.519 Yep. 376 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:28.519 Well, we're not here to talk music, hey Rod. We're 377 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:31.359 here to talk football. And you guys are three and oh. 378 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:34.000 So here's why I want to start. You were three 379 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:36.240 and oh a year ago. What gives you confidence that 380 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:38.440 this three and oh is different than last year's three 381 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.599 and oh? 382 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:43.279 Just we have a more experienced team, a lot of 383 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:46.160 guys that went through some tough, tough times last year, 384 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:51.359 and just you know, I think we're more prepared to 385 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.839 deal with what's ahead of us town. I mean, we've 386 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:56.759 got a tough road ahead for sure. No one's saying 387 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.319 it's not tough. But I think we're just built a lot, 388 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:01.480 We have a little more depth, and we just we 389 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:03.039 just what we went through last year. I think there's 390 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:04.240 a lot of lessons you could learn from that. 391 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:06.960 Yes, you have a tough road ahead. We'll get to 392 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:07.640 that in the moment. 393 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.279 But before we do, of course, there was a battle 394 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:14.039 for the quarterback starting job that was run by one 395 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:18.200 by Jake Rhet's laugh. How close was that leading up 396 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:20.839 to the start of the year and what ultimately gave 397 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:22.960 Jake the nod over Behannon. 398 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:27.440 Yeah, I mean Gary I thought did a good job 399 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:31.960 in camp. The longer camp went, Gary just kept getting 400 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:34.680 better and better. He you know, he got the chance 401 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:37.519 to play at Wyoming last week and that was the 402 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.400 first snaps he'd had and I think October tenth, if 403 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:43.480 I'm correct, it was October of twenty twenty two is 404 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:46.720 the last time played in the game, and so his 405 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:49.960 injury was really serious. And he's just since he got here, 406 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:51.880 he's just slowly been getting a little more healthy and 407 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:55.000 a little more healthy. And then so towards the end 408 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:56.839 of camp he was starting to throw the ball better 409 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:59.240 and starting to look like he could actually challenge to start. 410 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:03.400 Then Jake hab pretty much won the job and established himself. 411 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:05.960 But Gary's getting better every day, and we have a 412 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:08.799 lot of confidence in him and no fear at all 413 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:10.160 to play him as if we need to. 414 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:13.599 So, as I've heard you talk about, as I've heard 415 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:16.039 Collotte talk about, we talked about on this show. I 416 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:19.160 think anybody who covers BYU football talks about it. We 417 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:22.319 saw four starts from Jake last year. We've seen three 418 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:25.960 this year. There are certainly dynamite moments that indicate he's 419 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:28.160 got what it takes for you guys, to do what 420 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:30.000 you want to do. Then there are moments where they're 421 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.519 just mistakes that can't happen. As you said yourself a 422 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:36.119 week ago, there were I think four fumbles a year ago, 423 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:39.440 and then Wyoming rolls around, he throws the pick and 424 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:42.119 we're going here we go again, and ultimately he settles in. 425 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:43.640 But how do you coach that? 426 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:46.920 I mean, obviously you don't want turnovers, No coach loves turnovers, 427 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:47.839 But how do you coach that? 428 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:48.960 How does he get better at that? 429 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:53.759 Well, we're trying to eliminate the the egregious ones. You 430 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:56.319 know there was a couple of mistakes in the SMU 431 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:58.400 game that were, you know, sort of gave us all 432 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:02.119 PTSD from a year ago. The interception in the Wyoming game. 433 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:05.519 We were throwing a one on one matchup to one 434 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.559 of our best players against one of their players that 435 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:12.799 we wanted to attack. He under threw the ball just 436 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:15.000 a little bit. I thought Cody sort of could have 437 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:17.079 reacted a little better and at least broken it up, 438 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:19.680 like you can live with one of those. They intercepted 439 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:20.759 the ball and they have the ball in the one 440 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:23.119 yard line. Our defense goes three and out and we 441 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:25.559 get the ball four plays later and plus territory again 442 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:28.359 and then we score a touchdown. So there's not all 443 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:33.720 turnovers are exactly the same. But Jake is sort of 444 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:37.279 he reminds me a lot of what Zach Wilson went 445 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:41.680 through when he was a young player, and he had 446 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:44.759 moments as like just he was brilliant and you could 447 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:47.000 just see the talent and the arm talent, and then 448 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:50.240 there were times where he just had to grow, you know. 449 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:53.000 And I think Jake started seven games and I think 450 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:56.519 we're going through that process with him. But it's getting 451 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:57.240 better every game. 452 00:20:58.039 --> 00:20:59.880 All right, Let's move over to the running back room. 453 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.200 Let's get an update here. Hinkley, Rapati, LJ. Martin, two 454 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.119 very capable backs. I understand they're banged up. So I've 455 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:08.599 said this to you before. If I had a running 456 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:10.720 back named Miles Davis, he'd play every snap for me 457 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:11.839 just based off his name. 458 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:14.240 But I'm just I'm a radio guy. I'm not a coach. 459 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:17.160 So talk about how you're handling the health situation and 460 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:18.720 the depth you have in that running back room. 461 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:23.079 Yeah, we had Miles has stepped up and played well. 462 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:30.359 We had Enichnawaheene stepped up and played well against SMU, 463 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.000 and then last week we had se Anymore and Polkai 464 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:36.240 Huwanga houn a step up and both of those guys 465 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:36.720 played well. 466 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:37.680 So I have. 467 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:40.359 Confidence in those guys. It's not going to be a 468 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:44.000 one guy gets thirty carries kind of game. We're going 469 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:48.279 to play those guys to their strengths and and we'll 470 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:50.039 use them as we see fit. But I have confidence 471 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:52.400 in all of them, and Harvey's done a great job 472 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:53.640 getting those guys ready to play. 473 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:56.200 So up this up this way, Rod. 474 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.440 As you know, Utah has a real weapon in bran Keathy, 475 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:02.640 who they moved around in a bunch of different ways, 476 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:05.160 and it feels like you're using Chase. And we caught 477 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:07.400 up with Chase at Big twelve media days in Vegas, 478 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.119 and you know, a great kid, really good interviewer, obviously 479 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:14.039 a veteran presence for you guys. Seems like you're utilizing 480 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:16.240 him in a much more nuanced way than you did 481 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:18.000 a year ago. Is that fair to say? And what 482 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:20.000 can you say about the way he started the year? 483 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:24.039 Yeah, we're using him. He's kind of playing a really 484 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:25.920 similar role to what Puka played for us a couple 485 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:30.480 of years ago. Or Puka lined up everywhere, did everything. 486 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:33.599 And you know, I'm not saying Chase is the same guy, 487 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.160 but he is a very complete player and we can 488 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:38.880 do a lot of different things with him. So yes, 489 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:42.319 and he's a veteran now, so there's publy no limits 490 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:44.680 on where he can line up, what he can do. 491 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:48.400 And uh so yeah, you're that's I'm glad you noticed 492 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:49.400 that because that is true. 493 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:52.640 Well, I mean, he's I wanted to follow up with this. 494 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.839 It appears that he has evolved as a playmaker that 495 00:22:56.960 --> 00:22:59.079 can do more things than he just did a year 496 00:22:59.160 --> 00:22:59.599 or two ago. 497 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:01.359 And these are young people. Of course, they are going 498 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:02.240 to evolve and improve. 499 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:06.400 But what specifically did you see leading up to the season, 500 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:09.319 whether it's camp or whatever, it is that has motivated 501 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:11.799 you to use him in so many different nuanced ways. 502 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:16.680 Well, first of all, he's he's long, he's six four, 503 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:19.400 and Chase can run. I mean he's not just a 504 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:22.799 possession guy. He can he can get down the field, 505 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:26.440 take the top off the defense. He's really good runner 506 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:28.200 with the ball in his hands. He breaks tackles, he 507 00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:30.519 makes people miss. So we get him the ball in 508 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:32.759 the Jets sweep game, we get him the ball on 509 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:34.759 shallow crosses, and try to get him the ball in 510 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:36.759 the open field where he can run with it, and 511 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:39.880 he's just yeah, he's just improved overall. And then he's 512 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:43.799 he's one of the best I've ever coached that making 513 00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:45.720 the catch when it's a contested catch. I mean, he 514 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:48.079 doesn't have to be open to make the play. And 515 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:50.680 so there's just a lot of different things we can 516 00:23:50.680 --> 00:23:54.400 do with him, and I think his confidence is just 517 00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:55.759 growing every week. 518 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:58.079 He was thinking about this when I was watching the 519 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:02.200 Wyoming game. I mean, Chase, Darius Lasseter, Cody Epps and 520 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:05.599 I could keep going. You guys have a ton of 521 00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:08.680 different weapons, you know, whether it's tight ends, wide outs, 522 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:10.680 or what have you. I mean, you really have a 523 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:12.559 bunch of different guys that have been in the program 524 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:14.519 for a while, some new guys who are in the 525 00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:17.039 program for the first time with the transfer window and stuff. 526 00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:19.480 But it does feel like whether it's Jake or whether 527 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:23.920 it's Gary, there are quite a few options. When a 528 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:27.000 room is that crowded, is it iron sharp and iron? 529 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:29.319 Iron sharpens iron. You got to compete for the reps. 530 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:31.880 I mean, as the offensive coordinator, how do you eat 531 00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:33.079 so many mouths? 532 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:36.880 Yeah, that's not always easy. I mean, those guys all 533 00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:40.039 want the ball, they all want to play. That's part 534 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:45.119 of Fesse's job and Kevin Gilbride's job to use those 535 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.000 guys as they see fit and try to you know. 536 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:50.319 But it's part of being a team though, too, is 537 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:54.039 understanding that if everybody's a threat and everybody's part of 538 00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:56.200 the offense, and we're harder to defend as a team. 539 00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:01.119 And I do believe we're we're a lot more skilled 540 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:03.279 than maybe a lot of people think. We have good 541 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:06.440 skilled players here, and our wide receiver play has been 542 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:09.319 really good for several years now. I think Vestis does 543 00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:12.200 a great job with those guys, and we've recruited well there, 544 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:16.519 so it's nice to have those guys. And I think 545 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:20.200 we're executing much better now than we were a year ago, 546 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:24.920 and so hopefully we can keep growing and and you know, 547 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:26.960 execute on Saturday night because we're going against a really 548 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:28.000 good team this Saturday. 549 00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:31.039 What we had you on a year ago. Also, Klada 550 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:34.359 as well hopped on the show. We talked about what 551 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:37.440 appeared to be I guess the way I'll say it 552 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:40.640 gently is some inconsistency with the offensive line right a 553 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:42.480 year ago. Do you feel like that's been better a 554 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:44.000 rod Through three games. 555 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:47.720 It's been better, and it's it's it's a work in progress. 556 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:50.519 You're right, it was that was it was a problem 557 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:53.960 a year ago, and we did not execute as a 558 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:56.759 team well enough last year, but especially as an off 559 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.519 of the line. So far through three games, run game 560 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:02.640 has shown improvement. And it's nowhere near where we want 561 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:05.960 to get to, but we've been improving our past. Protection 562 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:10.359 has been solid, and that group is playing much better 563 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:12.359 than a year ago. We still have a lot of 564 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:15.680 long way to go, but I'm proud of those guys 565 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.039 for how they've done up to this point, and we 566 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:20.160 just got to keep you know, stay humble, and just 567 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:24.799 keep working to correct our mistakes and keep getting becoming 568 00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:26.119 a tighter unit each week. 569 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:29.759 I know that Wyoming was your most recent opponent, but 570 00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:33.079 I want to go back to SMU because before that game, 571 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:35.680 all week on this show, and I know you're a 572 00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:37.079 daily listener, so thank you for that. 573 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:39.839 I'm telling you what you already heard. But on this show, 574 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:41.640 whether it was just my take or. 575 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.960 Interviewing people, I don't think people fully understand how big 576 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:46.680 that win was. 577 00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:49.359 Okay, so if you weren't able to get. 578 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.079 SMU, you were going to have to get Wyoming and 579 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.240 then find four conference wins to go bowing. Not saying 580 00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:58.680 you can't do that, but how big was that? How 581 00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:00.759 big was that win? What was to feel like in 582 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:03.279 the locker room after you guys just gotted that thing 583 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:04.519 out and came home with the dub. 584 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.240 It was huge and we were twelve point underdogs or 585 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:13.279 eleven point underdogs on the road and SMU has dudes. Man, 586 00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:16.519 those that's that team. That team can play with anybody 587 00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:18.920 in our conference. I've been through this conference now for 588 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.880 a year that's a good football team. They're gonna they're 589 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:24.680 gonna win some games this year in the ACC, and 590 00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:28.599 especially on defense, they have two guys that are supposed 591 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:30.240 to be really high draft picks. I thought they were 592 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.920 very good. We didn't play great on offense, but it 593 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.160 was a great win to get because we answered. We 594 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.319 kept answering the bell and finding ways to get the 595 00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:42.599 ball in the end zone while they kept kicking field goals. 596 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:44.920 They kicked five field goals. We found a way to 597 00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:47.319 get the ball in the end zone twice and then 598 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.359 got a game winning field goal after a fourth and 599 00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:52.880 one conversion. So I just thought our team showed a 600 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.079 lot of character. And so even though you leave the 601 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.759 field thinking feeling like, oh gosh, we should have played better, 602 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.599 sometimes those kind of wins are really helpful later in 603 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:04.480 the season when you're in these type ball games that 604 00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:06.200 we're going to be in in conference play. 605 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:08.839 I thought it was gutty, man, I really thought it 606 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.039 was gutty. I was impressed that you guys came back 607 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:12.759 with that when to your point, you were a double 608 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.640 digit underdog. All right, hey, Rod, here's a little yeah, 609 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:17.079 here's a little analysis for you. 610 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:20.279 Kse State's all right. This is a good team. 611 00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:24.240 They bullied Arizona in a way that kind of even 612 00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:27.559 caught me off guard. So k State rolls into Provo 613 00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:31.240 Saturday night. It's a late one, it's gonna be eight thirty, 614 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:35.400 that's on ESPN. As you study tape on Kansas State, 615 00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:38.200 what stands out most just how big is this task 616 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:39.880 in front of you coming up on Saturday night? 617 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.880 Well, it's huge. Case State is a team that they're 618 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.279 not going to beat themselves. They're gonna they don't make mistakes, 619 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.000 they do everything right. They are squared away in all 620 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.920 three phases. You know, when when people watch us on film, 621 00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.359 our opponents watch us on film, I hope that they 622 00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:01.039 feel the same way about us that I feel when 623 00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:04.000 I watch Kansas State play, Like they do everything right. 624 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:07.680 They play really hard, the people are in the right gap, 625 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.519 they're covering the right guy, they're using the right technique 626 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.480 on special teams, the same thing on offense, same thing. 627 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:16.880 And so to win a game like this, you have 628 00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:19.200 to do everything right, and you can't. You can't just 629 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.799 give them anything, you know by it. It's going to 630 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:24.079 be a game that I think is just going to 631 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:27.599 come down to who makes the fewest mistakes and they're 632 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:31.920 a very tough team, and I'm looking forward to the challenge, 633 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:33.799 but I also understand what we're up against. They're very 634 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:34.680 good football club. 635 00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:38.039 Obviously, you are hyper focused on your game and I 636 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.799 wouldn't expect anything other than that. But you do have 637 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:45.319 experience going to Stillwater and playing at Okay State, which 638 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.039 is what Utah does Saturday afternoon. What can you tell 639 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.279 us about that experience? What are youth fans in for? 640 00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:51.799 What is the youth football team in for? 641 00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:56.319 Well, just I would say it's similar to almost all 642 00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:58.319 the road games in the Big Twelve. It was a 643 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:02.200 different experience, much different than the Pack twelve. You're you know, 644 00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:04.640 Pac twelve. Everything was like a one hour flight. You're 645 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.359 mostly going to destinations that are pretty nice and you're 646 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.200 excited to be there, and short drive on game day 647 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:13.799 to a stadium that may or may not be very intimidating. 648 00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.880 In the Big twelve, there's you know, every every flight's 649 00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:21.000 two three hours. You're staying in some sort of small 650 00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:23.839 town motel type thing that's usually like an hour drive 651 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.160 to the game on game day, and then you get 652 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.440 there and there's tailgators for miles and it's rocking, and 653 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.480 so I think just that's sort of just well, a 654 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:34.640 lot of the road games with Big twelve are like that, 655 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.480 and they're they're tough road troops. Now the Utes, shoot, 656 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.039 the Utes are awesome and they'll be ready for it. 657 00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:41.480 They're they're they had a good team and they're not 658 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:43.119 gonna be caught off guard by any of that. But 659 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:46.200 that is it is a different experience going on the 660 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.440 road in the Big twelve than the Pac twelve as 661 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.400 far as like just how the travel goes, your food, 662 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:55.920 your your your day, your game day operation leading up 663 00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:57.880 to kick off. But there is a little bit of 664 00:30:57.880 --> 00:30:58.960 an adjustment there. 665 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.240 Since we're in the space with the Utes, and you're 666 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:05.559 familiar with this coaching staff, you're familiar with this programs, 667 00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.200 and you and I haven't spoken in this space for 668 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:10.920 about a year or so. I wonder what your reaction 669 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.079 was when you found out that you were once again 670 00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:15.240 going to be conference peers with Utah. 671 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:19.359 When the news came down, Yeah, it's cool. 672 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:23.319 I mean, I'm excited about it. I think adding another 673 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.839 great team to our conference just makes it better, you know, 674 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.640 And so I'm excited about it. I mean, we're we're 675 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:32.720 in a weird, weird world of constant change. You never 676 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:34.400 know what's gonna happen from year to year right now, 677 00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.720 but I think that our league is very good this year. 678 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.720 And you know there's just right now. I'm just folks, 679 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.920 not on Kansas State, but I definitely think the more 680 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:45.799 good teams. 681 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:47.359 The better, for sure. 682 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:48.960 And before I sat you loose, I'm gonna ask you 683 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.680 the same question I asked Kilani at Big twelve media days. 684 00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:55.720 How have you guys acclimated to this new reality of 685 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:59.039 transfer portal of nil? I mean, Kevin Young and his 686 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.000 staff are getting a lot of money, getting a lot 687 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:03.400 of support, and obviously a lot a lot of that's 688 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:06.839 coming from Ryan. Ryan Smith's basketball guy. And I you know, 689 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:08.839 I'm a fan of yours. I'm a fan of Kilaune. 690 00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:10.839 I want you guys to get the resources you need 691 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.920 to compete and keep up with the Joneses in college football. 692 00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.640 What's it been like down in Provo with the ever 693 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.880 changing landscape of college football? How have you guys adjusted 694 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:21.079 and adapted so far? 695 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.359 I feel like we're very competitive with that stuff. I mean, 696 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:29.039 our players are doing very well. And one thing that 697 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:33.119 I know that is true of this place is when 698 00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:36.160 our players are you know, when there's something whether it's 699 00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.680 an il money or something like that, when there's when 700 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.240 there's something that's promised or contracted by it. And I'm 701 00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:44.079 not involved in this stuff, I know that it's it's 702 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:48.759 very important here that the players to the university they 703 00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:50.319 get what they were told they were going to get. 704 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:51.920 And I know that that's not always the case a 705 00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:54.039 lot of places in college football where you hear these 706 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.640 astronomical numbers about things and then a guy gets there 707 00:32:57.640 --> 00:32:59.160 and he doesn't play a lot as well as they 708 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:01.119 had hoped, and also and that just comes to an end. 709 00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.680 And then you've heard those stories that some of these 710 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.640 some of these places, and but I think we're I 711 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:09.119 don't know all the details of all that, but I 712 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:12.119 feel like we're very competitive. I feel like if we 713 00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:14.559 go after a big time recruit, we can get in 714 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:17.519 the game with just about anybody. We're not we're not 715 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:19.799 a place that's ever going to be like probably the 716 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.799 best offer, but we're we're competitive and we're in the mix. 717 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.319 And then we have to focus on our other competitive 718 00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:28.079 advantages or other reasons for why a guy would want 719 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:28.519 to come here. 720 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.400 You golfing at all you're swinging a golf club these 721 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:32.440 days or is it all coaching? 722 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.519 All head down, elball? 723 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.759 All all right, Well I just was because Colani is 724 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:42.000 saying he's getting better, and I need somebody to give 725 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.559 me proof that they're actually seeing he is. 726 00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:47.799 He is getting better. Yeah, he's improved. All yeah, Well, 727 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.240 look I appreciate the one fest is the best golf 728 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:51.519 front our set ah. 729 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.640 Okay, all right, yeah, well look man, you just want 730 00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:56.599 to make sure you're balancing out life a little bit. 731 00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:58.079 But then I realize you're a coach and you guys 732 00:33:58.160 --> 00:33:59.079 do not know how to do that. 733 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:01.559 So I appreciate your time. Go ahead. 734 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.160 I try to get in a run. You know, if 735 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.200 I try to run every day, that's my that's my 736 00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:08.280 little moment a piece. 737 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:11.400 All right, man, Well look well we'll set you loose. 738 00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:13.719 You know, we're always pulling for you. For you up here. 739 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.960 Good luck against k State and continued success. 740 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.960 Okay, great talking, thank you? 741 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:19.280 All right. 742 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:23.239 Aaron Rodgers, offensive coordinator for BYU. It's a big weekend 743 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:26.639 college football, both in state and nationally. First, it's Utah, 744 00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:29.840 Okay State and Stillwater. Love this when you can actually 745 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:33.519 watch both games because Utah Okay State two o'clock, then 746 00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:35.360 byu K State eight thirty. 747 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:35.559 Man. 748 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.360 That is a late late tip, late late kick for 749 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:41.559 folks driving down to Provo. If you're coming from Salt 750 00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:43.360 Laker up north, you're not gonna be home intel like 751 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:45.639 four am. So best of luck with that. But of 752 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:49.039 course always pulling for our guy a Rod Klonne. Those 753 00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:51.239 guys down in Provo, great dudes. Hopefully they can pull 754 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:52.960 it off. All right, more coming up next on a 755 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:56.639 Thursday show Keep it right here on ESPN seven hundred. 756 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:01.920 For fifteen years, the Big Show dominated the Utah sports 757 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:06.599 talk airwaves. First it was Craig Bowler, Jack and Gordon Monson, 758 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:11.920 followed by Spence Check its in Monson. Now all three 759 00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:16.119 are reunited on the Drive. It's time for the Big 760 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:20.519 Show Hour on the Drive at Spence check Its exclusively 761 00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.599 on ESPN seven hundred. 762 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:34.000 All right, it is time for the Big Show Big Hour. 763 00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:38.119 We do it every Thursday. Sometimes we're in studio, sometimes 764 00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:38.400 we're not. 765 00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:39.360 Today we are not. 766 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.440 It's brought to you by Big O'tires get our Healthy 767 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.039 Car Special for fifty nine to ninety five, which includes 768 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:48.639 a conventional oil change, Jackson alignments, breaks batteries and more 769 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.880 over fifty locally owned and operated locations in Utah. Visit 770 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.639 Big o'tires dot com to find a location near you. 771 00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.559 All right, batting leadoff today, the better half of the 772 00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:01.719 big Show. Let's call it how it is, the TV 773 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.639 voice of the Utah Jazz, the legend around here, the 774 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.199 great Craig Bowler, Jack Bowler. Happy Thursday afternoon, sir, how are. 775 00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:11.360 You spans them? Great? How you doing? 776 00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:14.880 We're good, man, We're good. It's a big weekend coming up. 777 00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:18.280 And you know this is your alma mater, k State 778 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.440 rolling into Provo for the first time since what like 779 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:24.480 seventy nine? Did you ever think your alma mater was 780 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.239 gonna be playing college football in this state? 781 00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:32.679 Huge surprise and really a treat. I had plans to 782 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.639 be there, but the games at a thirty. I thought 783 00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:37.599 it was gonna be at noon. It seems like I 784 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:40.719 have this problem many times. But ESPN made it a 785 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:44.239 primetimer at Lease on the West Coast in the Mountain 786 00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:48.159 time zone as a primetimer at eight thirty, So I 787 00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:52.519 have another commitment. Sadly at night I'll be able to watch. Well, 788 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:54.320 i'll record it, but I'll probably be able to see 789 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.639 the second half live, but man, I wanted to be 790 00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.800 in Provo. Got a lot of friends in town, and 791 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:05.079 I told them they will love the scenery and the feel, 792 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:09.159 the vibe at Lovella eded Word Stadium. It's a special 793 00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:12.320 place and it's it's gonna be a fun game. I 794 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.199 tell you, the crowd in Provo is great. They're gonna 795 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:19.360 find that one day. I believe it's twenty twenty sixth 796 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:23.159 maybe or was it twenty seven that BYU will be 797 00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:26.360 in Manhattan, so they're gonna get a taste of what 798 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:33.119 Aggieville and just a great feel of fans in Manhattan 799 00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:33.480 as well. 800 00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:36.679 Had a chance to interview Chris Climb in Big twelve 801 00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:40.679 media Day. Very impressive, very impressive guy. Yeah, and I 802 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:45.719 gotta say, Craig, like they bullied Arizona, like Arizona they 803 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:48.599 suffocated them, like it wasn't even a fair fight. Arizona 804 00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:50.920 top twenty team at the time. What do you think 805 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.159 byus in for as K State rolls into pro Bo 806 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:55.920 is a six point five point favorite. 807 00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:58.639 Now, well, I'd say if people are going to say 808 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.440 you're just talking up State because you went there, but no, 809 00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:03.760 this is a good football team. This program has come 810 00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:07.840 a long way led by Bill Snyder years ago, and 811 00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.000 they continue to build. You know what, every football team 812 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:14.840 wants to have the tradition and just a way of 813 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.760 how they play the game. And I think they do it, 814 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.719 you know with lesser you know, five star players, Spence. Look, 815 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.800 they go out and find threes and fours and guys 816 00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:27.519 who want to play the game. They work high level 817 00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.880 hard of getting to that to that level, and I'm 818 00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.360 proud of them, I really am. Look, Avery Johnson's a 819 00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:38.239 young kid, the quarterback for k State. He'll be twenty 820 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:43.199 next month November two, and just a sophomore. But I 821 00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:45.480 thought he really came into his own last week as 822 00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.679 as you know, sort the O line D line for 823 00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:52.719 k State Avery fast. You know, it's really the first 824 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.559 taste I've had of him a full type of game 825 00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.760 situation where you know, he was you know, going high level, 826 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:02.239 high motor, but he get on the edge and he's 827 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.519 working on his passing game. And I think that's one 828 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.920 thing Kialan He's probably looking at this week. How do 829 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.320 you keep him between the tackles and force him to 830 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:12.320 throw the ball because he's not that experience with the 831 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:14.840 passing game. He's I think he's starting to show signs 832 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:17.960 of that, but his legs are really his best attribute 833 00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:18.400 right now. 834 00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:21.760 So ultimately you brought up the lad kick, it's an 835 00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.280 eight thirty kick, and that is you know, it's the 836 00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:29.559 you know, it's a necessary evil as it pertains to 837 00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:33.159 where the Big twelve is on the hierarchy of television 838 00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:35.880 executives picking teams for prime windows. 839 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.400 It is primetime on the West coast. 840 00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:42.599 But it is way too late for folks back east 841 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.119 to really stay up and watch. I wonder if from 842 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:48.960 your vantage point, case State rolls in there's already altitude, 843 00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:52.719 that place is going to be going crazy eight thirty. 844 00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.360 The night games in Provo are fun. Man, those kids 845 00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:57.320 show up and show out, so it's going to be loud. 846 00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:01.079 What sort of complications do you think this for Alma Mater? 847 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:03.000 The fact that they're probably not going to be done 848 00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:05.199 until the Sabbath begins. 849 00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:10.800 I love that, you know they won't mind playing after midnight. Look, 850 00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.360 I think that's okay. I don't think b YU is 851 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.599 gonna pull their players off the off the field either 852 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:18.719 if it goes late. But you know, I think the 853 00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:20.840 altitude will be a bit of a blast I mean, 854 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.719 you know, they'll have to get used to it first quarter. 855 00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:28.079 I'm always a believer Spence covering teams over the years, 856 00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.760 they always talk about how do you start games, especially 857 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:34.079 on the roads. Six and a half point favorites. Okay, 858 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:38.400 any coach will take that, but don't get over confident 859 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:42.599 with that spread, by the way, And look, I think 860 00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.239 any home team is always worth three points, no matter 861 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.480 how good or how bad you are. But I think 862 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:50.880 it's the way you start. Look, just go in, do 863 00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:54.519 your thing, don't don't turn the ball over. And I 864 00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:57.760 know BYU's defense probably will try to blitz this young 865 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:01.480 quarterback and force him to make mistake. Look, Klanie is 866 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.559 very very good in game planning in my opinion, and 867 00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:07.800 I think you know, they know his strengths and weaknesses, 868 00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:11.000 and they want to rattle this guy on the road. Uh, 869 00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.599 And I get it. And so don't throw a pick, 870 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.079 you know, try to establish a run game and let 871 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:21.519 your offensive line help you. And I think BYU and Utah, 872 00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.840 excuse me, b YU and k State Uh both these 873 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:29.000 both these teams are strong upfront, and I think the 874 00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:32.039 test for b Yu, in my opinion, is the physical 875 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.320 play of what the Big twelve brings and I think 876 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.920 that's the first taste for the Cougars in a way 877 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.480 how they saw uh, you know, they saw teams prior Baylor. Uh. 878 00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.679 But I think it's going to be interesting to see 879 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:48.880 how everyone responds as this season really kicks off in 880 00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:49.719 conference play. 881 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.840 So last thing here, and I just want to make 882 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.599 sure this doesn't change your opinion on the outcome of 883 00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:57.880 the game or how it's going to play out. 884 00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:01.960 But my sources Craig in that Saturday night. 885 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:07.760 In Provo, the good folks down at BYU will roll out, Yes, 886 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.320 indeed your classic maple Cougar tails. But attendant to it, 887 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:18.199 they're planning on releasing a very limited edition vanilla frosting cougartail. 888 00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.639 Does that change your view on how this game is 889 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:22.199 going to play out? 890 00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:22.840 On Saturday? 891 00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.840 I saw that. I saw that. You know what, if 892 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:30.079 I was there, I would definitely be taste. That'd be 893 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:34.559 a tasty treat, to be honest with you, the original 894 00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:38.519 If I'm not mistaken, where will the original frosting be? 895 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.960 And then the lighter cougartail. Is that in the front 896 00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:43.199 or the front of the tail? 897 00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:44.960 That's a good question. 898 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:48.400 But I'm also told that they're releasing limited edition new 899 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:51.320 packaging for their cougar tails. So I'm only bringing this up, 900 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.760 Craig because but it also feels like this is an 901 00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:57.920 underreported element because those students are going to be even 902 00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:01.800 more fired up after consuming, you know, this new cougartail scenario. 903 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:03.760 Maybe that is something that you need to tell your 904 00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:04.599 alma mater about. 905 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:06.679 Yeah, I'm going to make a phone call. The sugar 906 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:09.360 high will be a you know, it be insane, Spence, 907 00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:13.199 as you know that concerns me. You know, sugar, you know, 908 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.480 but you have to be careful too. That sugar high 909 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:20.320 wears off, you know, after a while, So yes, be 910 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:23.239 prepared for a while crop and it could swim up 911 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:28.960 down It could, It could could. But I'm anxious for 912 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.360 these guys that I know to come into town, Spence, 913 00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:31.960 I really am. 914 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:32.480 You know. 915 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:34.400 They always say what you been down doing on Utah 916 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:36.280 a these years. That's well you're gonna get You're gonna 917 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.679 get your first taste of really what the mountains and 918 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:44.000 the night feel at Lavelle Edwards Stadium feels like, Uh, 919 00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:47.400 you know, I did ten years of BYU football and basketball, 920 00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:50.199 and I've always been in awe of both stadiums by 921 00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:51.760 the way up on the hill and down and that 922 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.480 team down south. As people love to kid each other, 923 00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.679 but I mean, really, we're lucky to have two really 924 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.199 incredible stadiums of high maggnot now in the Big twelve. 925 00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:06.639 That will, I think radiate a lot of positive vibes 926 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:09.480 for people outside the state who are getting their first 927 00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:12.079 taste of what's going on here Big twelve football man. 928 00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:15.599 Right now, it's rolling multiple teams in the top twenty, 929 00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:18.440 top twenty five, and I'm excited about it, and I 930 00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:20.719 think BYU fans should this should be a fun game. 931 00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.079 Could be decided by a field goal, could be decided 932 00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.880 by a turnover. But the six and a half points 933 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:29.239 I'll take. But pay State has to make sure early 934 00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.400 they understand what they're up against, a great crowd, very 935 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:37.199 physical football team, and just don't give yourself, you know, 936 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.599 don't turn the ball over and try to establish a 937 00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:41.880 run game. I sound like a coach, but that's the 938 00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:43.440 way it plays out, especially on the road. 939 00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:45.400 All right over to the utes, Greg. 940 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.280 Something something's cooking, Okay, something's going on here. I don't 941 00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:54.199 know what, all right, So it's just really odd to 942 00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:58.480 see a line swing four and a half points in 943 00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:00.159 a matter of just a couple of hours. 944 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:01.599 That rarely happens. 945 00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:05.519 Okay, So when we signed off air last night at six, 946 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.440 Utah was a two point favorite, and then went home, 947 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:12.960 walked the dog, grab some food, and suddenly I get 948 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.559 like four texts simultaneously, and they all said the same thing. 949 00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:21.159 Is cam playing on Saturday? And I said, well, I 950 00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:23.440 think so, you know, like we don't know, and I 951 00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:26.840 want to be clear. Until the conference mandates Kyle and 952 00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:30.000 his staff to report injuries, I totally understand why they don't. 953 00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:33.119 It drives me crazy, but I get it. You know, 954 00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.960 the competitive advantage of keeping your opponent on its heels. 955 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:37.639 I understand that. 956 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:42.400 I do think college football will eventually adopt the pro 957 00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:45.159 model where we will get an injury report and that 958 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.639 does away with the ambiguity. But until we are there, 959 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:51.519 I understand why they do this. I can't speak to 960 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:53.639 why that line moved four and a half points in 961 00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:56.599 a matter of hours, but that means something, Craig, I 962 00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:58.519 don't know what it means, but it means something. 963 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:02.280 Look today, am I right? Two and a half? That's 964 00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:03.079 where we're. 965 00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.400 That's that's where we are. That's where we are to that. 966 00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:11.639 It's interesting, isn't it the Cam Rising factor? I mean, 967 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:14.239 would you say that's probably it? 968 00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.400 Well, it's it's either somebody in Vegas got a tip 969 00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:22.400 the Cam's not playing, because it can't be that like 970 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:24.800 Karenne Read is out, because a four and a half 971 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:30.159 point swing indicates like a big time injury to somebody 972 00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.559 that really moves the needle, which would be a quarterback. 973 00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:34.800 All due respect to Karenna that we want him back to. 974 00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.440 It either means that somebody got some information that maybe 975 00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:41.920 Cam is out, or when the line moved towards the 976 00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:45.159 utes to two points, some shark or some wise guy 977 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.880 laid down a seven figure bet, you know, and and 978 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:51.760 and to move the It's one of those two things. 979 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.400 Unless I'm missing something. 980 00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:58.320 Well, I would think it has to be big money bet. 981 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:02.960 I mean, unless something's happened in practice, because all indications 982 00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:06.480 point that the laceration on the right hand at Cam 983 00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.719 Rising wasn't as serious as some people thought, and that 984 00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:13.400 Cam would be playing. But look, I think you have 985 00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:15.920 to look at the history of Cam and the way 986 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.360 that the youths have handled his injuries in the past, 987 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:24.400 very very quiet up until game time and they really 988 00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:28.199 never spent last year early were upfront until maybe what 989 00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:30.639 was it Week five, Week six, that this wasn't going 990 00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:36.840 to happen for Cam to play. So what I've learned 991 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.719 in college football, in the pros or whatever it may be, 992 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.519 I'm not convinced until I see it, And so I 993 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:47.800 think maybe again, Vegas maybe knows something. That's what they do. 994 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:50.880 They make a lot of money in this bet game, 995 00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.280 and these guys are on top of it. How they 996 00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:56.880 get that information is beyond me. But maybe again it's 997 00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:59.639 just the way it works itself out. But it's either 998 00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:03.400 big on Utah that drove it, or they know something 999 00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:05.840 about Cam that we don't. I don't think it's Keepy 1000 00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:10.599 nobody else right that would really turn the dial down 1001 00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:12.719 into Oklahoma State's favor. 1002 00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:15.039 Now, a four and a half swing in like two 1003 00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.920 and a half hours is a quarterback injury or big money. 1004 00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:19.199 I don't know what else it could be. 1005 00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:21.880 But let's move off that, Craig, and let me ask you, 1006 00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:24.280 since you and I last spoke, we did see Utah 1007 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.920 for the first time in twelve years. Go up to Logan. 1008 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:29.960 They got to win over Utah State. It wasn't pretty, 1009 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.920 it was rough for the start, but specifically focusing on 1010 00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:36.199 Isaac Wilson, I thought the young man met the moment 1011 00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.559 after a tough start. I thought he really stepped up. 1012 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:40.880 I thought he answered some questions. What did you see 1013 00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:43.480 from Utah's backup quarterback last Saturday? 1014 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.119 Well, confidence came his way and that's what they were 1015 00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:51.719 waiting for. And I thought, honestly, you got to say 1016 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:55.360 that with Kyle and Andy and the way they kind 1017 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:57.480 of game planned it, I thought they put a lot 1018 00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.519 of confidence into him. I thought he found you know, 1019 00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:03.880 after a little maybe slow, shaky, you know, first couple 1020 00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:06.280 of series. I thought he just played great. I mean 1021 00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:10.599 they put it on him again. Offensive line, strong, d line, 1022 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:14.199 played their game, and I think Isaac really found some 1023 00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:17.440 confidence and who he is eighteen years young. That's a 1024 00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:20.719 tough transition from high school to college, believe me. And 1025 00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.760 you know, the speed of the game is real. These 1026 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.519 guys all run fast, they hit harder, and they're smart. 1027 00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.719 And I think I was impressed. You know, I wasn't 1028 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.079 sure before that game, but he as a game continued on, 1029 00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.519 I thought, Spence, I don't know what you saw, but 1030 00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:41.280 I thought I just saw building confidence and flow and 1031 00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:44.360 that's where the game kind of just came to him, 1032 00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:48.280 and I was happy for him either. You know, fans 1033 00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:50.519 can get on you pretty quick, and it happens in 1034 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.719 the NFL, and you see guys get binged, right, But 1035 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:56.280 I thought Isaac stood up and said, Hey, that's why 1036 00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:58.840 I'm here, and that's that's why you name me the 1037 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:00.320 number two quarterback behind camp. 1038 00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:01.760 I wonder bull. 1039 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.320 I was listening to your old buddy Joel Klatt his 1040 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:08.920 podcast this morning, and he broke down Utah Okay States 1041 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:12.679 and he said, any he wasn't reporting this, but he 1042 00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:16.719 referenced that there's a feeling and he would know. I mean, 1043 00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.239 he's pretty plugged in in the scene of college football. 1044 00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:21.199 There's a feeling this could be wits last year. I 1045 00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:23.760 don't know if it is. It is a topic in 1046 00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:27.079 this marketplace Taale as old as time, because at times 1047 00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.280 Kyle will drop hints, like when he came on the 1048 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.000 show just a couple of years ago asked what my 1049 00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.679 father was up to. I said, he's basically retired, spending 1050 00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:37.119 time with the grandkids, and Kyle said, well, that's gonna 1051 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.800 be me soon, And of course people freaked out, like, oh, 1052 00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:41.599 does that mean he's done. I don't know what he's done. 1053 00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:43.239 He's got a couple of years left on his deal. 1054 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:46.599 But if Utah football wins the Big Twelve, if they 1055 00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:48.760 go to the CFP and for the first time as 1056 00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:52.280 a head coach, Kyle has a legitimate chance to really 1057 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.280 play for a national championship. Do you think that motivates 1058 00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:58.360 him to look back and say, I was here from 1059 00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:00.559 the Whack to the Mountain West Conference. I was here 1060 00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:02.880 from the mount West Conference to the Pac twelve. We won, 1061 00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:06.960 We won Mountain West Conference championships, we won Fiesta Bowls, 1062 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.440 Sugar Bowl, we won Pac twelve championships, we went to 1063 00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:11.239 a couple of Rose Bulls, and now I had a 1064 00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:14.920 chance to play for a national championship. First of all, 1065 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.400 what a resume, I mean, my goodness, you know I'll 1066 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.519 start to finish. Second of all, do you think that 1067 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.079 might be enough for with to say, you know what, 1068 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:24.360 I don't know what else I can do. I did 1069 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:26.239 the best I could. I left it better than when 1070 00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:28.000 I found it. Give me your thoughts on that. 1071 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:28.840 Yeah. 1072 00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.000 I think a lot of players always think they'll walk 1073 00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:33.800 off the field once they won a Super Bowl, but 1074 00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:37.039 then all of a sudden the hunger of the game returns, 1075 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:39.760 and it's hard to leave Spence. I think it'll be 1076 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.639 hard for for Wit to leave, no matter when. I mean, 1077 00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:46.679 it's in his blood, it's in his DNA about right. 1078 00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:50.119 And he always he had chances to make a jump 1079 00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.440 from here or there. Probably had an NFL call once 1080 00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:56.239 or twice. He's kind of hinted on that. But he 1081 00:51:56.360 --> 00:52:00.639 loves it here and what a magnificent job and really 1082 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.599 transitioning from Whack to Mountain West now to Big twelve 1083 00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:09.000 Pac twelve, Big twelve and man, he has your What 1084 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:13.800 you just read Spence is a resume that very though 1085 00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:17.239 coaches possess. The one thing that's missing. If he would 1086 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:18.679 have I'll tell you what, if he would have put 1087 00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:22.760 won of those two Rose Bowls, he may have stepped 1088 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:26.960 down then maybe, But you know, he keeps coming back 1089 00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:29.199 thinking that this is a good team he's put together 1090 00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.519 and he has there's so many weapons if they stay healthy. 1091 00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:37.679 Does he walk away? Man, family may have something to 1092 00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:40.440 say about that. Probably, yeah, it's time, But you know what, 1093 00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:42.360 he loves this game and there's a lot of talent. 1094 00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:45.840 And if he does leave, Morgan Scaley's the one most 1095 00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:49.119 from all indications will be the one to what would 1096 00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:53.320 you say, Spence benefit in a big way. I don't 1097 00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:58.119 think there'd be much of a t the schools. When 1098 00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:01.119 you have winning program and have very good conference, with 1099 00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:04.840 a great fan base and the hell of a stadium, 1100 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:09.039 that's gonna, you know, keep this program down if at all. 1101 00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:14.079 So if Wit decides he's earned it, he maybe maybe 1102 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.000 some people try to convince him to stay one in 1103 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:19.239 a while longer. I'm not sure he's well paid. We 1104 00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.280 know that probably one of the highest paid employees in 1105 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:26.480 the state of Utah, I'm not mistaken. So if he walks, 1106 00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:28.800 he earns it right. But I could see him sticking 1107 00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.559 around to enjoy it. But maybe the time has come. 1108 00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:34.119 Only he knows or very few people, very few people 1109 00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:35.360 in a circle knows. 1110 00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:37.760 All right, Craig, before I say you lose, I mean 1111 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:41.239 we have been very football centric and I cover everything 1112 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.039 that goes on, So we do hockey. 1113 00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:44.239 We'll do a little RSL. 1114 00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.079 The Utah Jazz start their camp in what, yeah, like 1115 00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:50.000 two weeks away. 1116 00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:51.960 I mean, this is why this time of year is 1117 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.480 so fun. Just in a matter of days. 1118 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:56.760 Quite frankly, we'll be able to really cover all of 1119 00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:59.800 the local products that I enjoy covering. I mean, that's 1120 00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:01.920 kind of what this show is about. We're not one 1121 00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:04.880 product centric. We cover everything that we have going on 1122 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:06.880 here and do the best we can to be fair 1123 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.400 and all that stuff. But as Jazz Camp approaches, you know, 1124 00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:13.519 another year with Craig butlerjack behind the microphone. Is this 1125 00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.480 the time of year where you start to get excited? 1126 00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:17.039 Is this the type of year where you start to 1127 00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:17.480 get antsy? 1128 00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:19.320 What are your what are your thoughts on the Jazz 1129 00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:20.639 being back in just a matter. 1130 00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:23.320 Of a couple of weeks all the above. A week 1131 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:29.639 from Monday the thirtieth is the the big day where 1132 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:34.599 the team and our staff get together and the media 1133 00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:37.000 has a chance to really get all the all the 1134 00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:39.639 interviews out of the way and a chance to kind 1135 00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:42.360 of get to know a lot of new faces. Spence, yeah, 1136 00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:44.360 some of the players around and they call it open 1137 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:48.199 court right now. And then the Jazz get to work 1138 00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:51.920 and we actually start the preseason in about two weeks time, 1139 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:56.079 which I can't believe against New Zealand the Breakers at home, 1140 00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.400 and before you know it, it's here and hockey started 1141 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:04.679 what yesterday with their their camp. So this city is growing, 1142 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:08.559 and the eyes will be interesting for me to see 1143 00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:11.960 where the eyes are concentrated on hockey or whether it's 1144 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:15.199 the NBA. And of course, look what's going on with football. 1145 00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.280 I mean, the Big twelve has a lot of eyes 1146 00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:19.440 on it and obviously a lot of eyes on Utah 1147 00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:22.920 at the moment. So man, it's a great time. It's 1148 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:26.079 a great time for you know, Salt Lake City, Utah 1149 00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:29.880 fans to see what's going on Jazz fans. A lot 1150 00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:32.000 of questions spent though that I have to get answered 1151 00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:35.360 as a broadcaster, as I watched this team grow very young, 1152 00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:40.239 two straight years of three well five number one picks 1153 00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:44.000 in one second round with Philipowski, the big big kid 1154 00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:45.960 on a duke and then you know, what do you 1155 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:47.840 do with JC and what do you do with Collins? 1156 00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:48.760 You know? 1157 00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:51.320 And Sexton is he going to be a starter? My 1158 00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:55.239 guess is yes. And the growth of Kyante and Taylor Hendrix, 1159 00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:58.000 all those things come into play. But I'm most interested 1160 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:00.800 too to see what Walker Tessler becomes in year three, 1161 00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:04.679 Big t and most NBA players will tell you that 1162 00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:06.920 year three is kind of the jumping off point that 1163 00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.639 either you find out who you are or the Jazz 1164 00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:11.679 may move on who knows, But I think it's a 1165 00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:14.079 big year. I mean for a lot of players, but 1166 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.719 for Walker. With Pilapowski in the camp, it's going to 1167 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:21.400 be pushed. But I think there's there's those three guys. 1168 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:25.079 Keante's got to turn down his turnovers, Taylor's got to 1169 00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:28.480 grow with confidence and strength, and Walker's just got to 1170 00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:31.480 find himself on who he wants to be. Can he 1171 00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:33.960 find a face up game to the basket or is 1172 00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:35.880 he just going to put the ball down like Rudy 1173 00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.519 did on top of the rim? Is he a good defender? 1174 00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:41.599 Can he run the floor? Absolutely? But there's always these 1175 00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:44.159 questions Spence, and that's what I'm looking forward to. And 1176 00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:46.559 I'm anxious also to get to know the game of 1177 00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:50.599 hockey better. To me, that's important for this fan base 1178 00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:54.039 to give it some time. Some fans already know out 1179 00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:56.800 you know, the outsiders don't, but I think they're going 1180 00:56:56.880 --> 00:57:00.920 to be hungry to understand what hockey is all about 1181 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.039 in the physical play that comes with it. I think 1182 00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:04.159 it's going to be damn fun. 1183 00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:06.760 All right, Bowler, thanks for the time, my friend, and 1184 00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:08.960 have a great weekend. And the weather's supposed to beautiful, 1185 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:11.719 so Hopefully you have something fun planned and we'll chat soon. 1186 00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:12.039 Thank you. 1187 00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:12.280 Sir. 1188 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.639 Hey, well, you tell Gordo man I I kind of 1189 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:16.679 miss him. 1190 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:18.119 I will tell him. 1191 00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:19.880 I will tell him that you miss him, but I 1192 00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:21.199 will not say that we miss him. 1193 00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:22.920 I will say that you miss him. Is that fair? 1194 00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:23.400 Well? 1195 00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:26.199 Well, let me backpedal on that. I'm not sure I do. 1196 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:27.880 I don't know. 1197 00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:33.840 We'll be reunited soon, buddy, Okay, I'll keep the great 1198 00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:36.360 Craig Bowlerjack TV Voice the Utah Jazz brought to you 1199 00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:39.280 today by Big Oh Tires. Get our Healthy Car Special 1200 00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:42.480 for fifty nine to ninety five, which includes a conventional 1201 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.320 oil change, checks on alignments, breaks, batteries, and more. 1202 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:46.239 We want to keep our. 1203 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.599 Customers safe on the road and help them save money 1204 00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:51.639 on tires and service. There's always something on sale at 1205 00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:54.000 Big Old Tires. 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Joining me now, 1219 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:39.800 my buddy, saw Lake Tribune author Gordon Monson on a 1220 00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:43.639 Thursday afternoon saw La Tribune writer excuse me, Gordo, Happy Thursday? 1221 00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:45.199 How we doing that? 1222 00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:48.519 Was the best sports talk host in the market. 1223 00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:50.480 That's very kind of you, Gordon. 1224 00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:52.519 I appreciate you saying that, and I just want to 1225 00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:55.000 get your take right out of the gates about what 1226 00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:58.239 you just witnessed in the UAFA Champions League game between 1227 00:58:58.239 --> 00:58:59.960 AS Monaco and FC Barcelona. 1228 00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:05.119 Uh. Preposterous, ridiculous, I mean I can't even find the 1229 00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:07.440 right words. Just shocking. 1230 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:11.719 Huh Okay, any specific element of the game that was 1231 00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:13.159 preposterous and shocking just. 1232 00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:17.239 Because of a bad form And I didn't see, you know, 1233 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.880 I didn't see. I didn't see the action I thought 1234 00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.360 I was going to see. I thought that the game 1235 00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:28.000 was lethargic and the Paul movements shucked and I mean 1236 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.079 it just it was. It was sloppier than I thought. 1237 00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:33.559 Huh, Okay, you know reports have in front of me 1238 00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:37.320 are talking about what a clean, fast paced game it 1239 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:39.719 was and now entertaining it was for the audience. 1240 00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:41.920 You must have seen something different with your keen eye. 1241 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:48.599 Well, I mean you say, they say each his own 1242 00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:54.679 filby crew, their own eyeballs, and look, all I can 1243 00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:58.320 tell you is what my brain tells me that that's sure. 1244 00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.199 Sure, beauty is in the eye of the Gordop. All right, 1245 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:04.639 let's start with Utah. So last week, Utah goes up 1246 01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.039 to Logan for the first time in twelve years. 1247 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:10.159 And they handled their business. But it was a little 1248 01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:11.079 shaky at the start. 1249 01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:12.920 But I want to hone in on Isaac Wilson, who 1250 01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:15.519 I've been talking about all week is as a young 1251 01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:17.719 man who I thought Gordon really met in the moment 1252 01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:20.119 after a shaky start, What did you see from Utah's 1253 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:20.679 QB two. 1254 01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:24.199 Well, you saw the growth during the game. Early on, 1255 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.360 it looked like more of the same what we've slipped 1256 01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:31.119 between seen earlier. But as time went on, he seemed 1257 01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:34.400 to settle in and I thought they allowed him to 1258 01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:38.599 show what he's got and I think that emboldened him 1259 01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:42.280 and made him a better quarterback. I'll say it this way. 1260 01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:44.800 I don't think there's any doubt that Isaac Wilson is 1261 01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:48.360 going to be a really good quarterback. He still has 1262 01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:51.239 stuff to learn, and once he does that, then I 1263 01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:56.199 think the arm talent he has is going to show 1264 01:00:56.199 --> 01:01:00.840 itself off, and Utah's future quarterback looks and really good. Shit. 1265 01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:05.360 I really felt like a general sigh of relief in 1266 01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:09.480 this community based off of just how unprepared they were 1267 01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:12.679 a year ago to handle the injuries to their quarterbacks. 1268 01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:16.559 And I say that plural because it was Cam and Brandon, 1269 01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:19.760 but it has to be a huge sigh of relief 1270 01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:22.119 because here's the thing, Gordon, I mean, look, none of 1271 01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:25.159 us want Cameron to be injured. None of us want 1272 01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:27.119 him to get hurt. We want him to be healthy, 1273 01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:29.679 we want him to play all year. But if I 1274 01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:32.320 asked you to bet the sizeable Gordon Monks and Salt 1275 01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:34.519 Lake Tribune paycheck on whether or not Cam is going 1276 01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:35.800 to play in every game this year. 1277 01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:38.440 My guess is you would bet it that he won't. 1278 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:39.559 I mean, we have the data. 1279 01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:43.320 It's hard to stay you know, optimistic, even though we 1280 01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:45.719 want him to stay healthy, it's hard to be optimistic 1281 01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:48.880 about him playing every single game. So I still believe 1282 01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:50.519 if they want to win the Big Twelve, they need 1283 01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.920 Cam under center. But at least ute fans know that 1284 01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:56.440 there's a kid waiting in the wings where it doesn't 1285 01:01:56.519 --> 01:01:58.880 look as catastrophic it did a year ago when it 1286 01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.000 was Bryson, Nate and Bryce and the Nate like. They 1287 01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:03.679 do have a plan in place this year, and I 1288 01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:04.599 think that's a great sign. 1289 01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:08.199 All true spence, every bit of it, and I think 1290 01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:11.440 he'll get better. The problem for Isaac Wilson will be 1291 01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:14.519 if he is called upon in the game or two 1292 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.920 moving forward, he's probably going to face a better team 1293 01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:20.199 than Utah State. I know there are a lot of 1294 01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:22.800 compliments passed around about what the Aggies and the way 1295 01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:25.199 they played in their toughness and all that sort of thing. 1296 01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:28.960 Kyle talked a lot about that, but really that's not 1297 01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:32.119 relative to what they will face in the Big Twelve. 1298 01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:36.559 That is not a comparable football team, and so he'll 1299 01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:39.639 have to. He'll he will get better, but his opposition 1300 01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:42.400 will get better as well. So we'll see how that 1301 01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:46.599 all works itself out. But he's the kind of quarterback 1302 01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:50.760 that will benefit greatly from watching Cam play in the meantime. 1303 01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:55.239 And if he does that his attention, that's the part 1304 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.559 of this game that I think really will come around, 1305 01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:00.159 and that's the part that needs to come around. So 1306 01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:02.440 good news for the Uts on that front, no other 1307 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:04.239 way to say so. 1308 01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:09.039 Some tenuous storylines have emerged over the past, you know, 1309 01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:12.599 twelve to sixteen hours here Gordo with Utah high speed 1310 01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:15.719 ahead to still Water to take on Oklahoma State. And 1311 01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:18.880 when we signed off last night at six o'clock, Utah 1312 01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.000 was a two point favorites. And then, as I've talked 1313 01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:23.840 about all day on the show, I go home, I 1314 01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:26.000 walk the dog, I get some dinner, and then I 1315 01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:30.280 get four tech simultaneously that say the same thing, which 1316 01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:33.239 is is Cam playing on Saturday. I'm like, well, I 1317 01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:35.679 think that he is. But here's the deal. In about 1318 01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:37.880 two and a half hours, Gordon, the line went from 1319 01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:43.280 Utah favored by two to Oklahoma State favored by two 1320 01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:45.039 and a half. It was a four and a half 1321 01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.800 point swing over a matter of two two and a 1322 01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:51.360 half hours. That doesn't mean nothing. Now, it doesn't mean 1323 01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:53.440 Cam is not playing. But what do you make of 1324 01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:56.280 just the way the line has switched over to the 1325 01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:58.360 direction of the Cowboys and whether or not you fans 1326 01:03:58.360 --> 01:03:59.280 should be concerned. 1327 01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:02.960 Well, I don't know the answer to the question with 1328 01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:07.000 any exactness, but I think your instincts are pretty good, Spence, 1329 01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:10.920 And that is somewhat concerning, because when you have the 1330 01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:14.159 kind of injury that Cam had, you know that thing 1331 01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:16.559 can be bothersome and a lot of it. It's kind 1332 01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.159 of like a golfer who you know, you think a 1333 01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:22.519 finger problem or whatever, but when you're gripping the club, 1334 01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:25.519 as you know, as a season golfer, you know that 1335 01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:29.760 could really bother you. And when you're delivering a football 1336 01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:32.800 that is this sounds funny to say, but it's got 1337 01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:36.119 grains in it and it tears away at the fingers 1338 01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:39.480 sometimes and can cause real problems for somebody who has 1339 01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:42.239 something like that. So, Man, I thought he was going 1340 01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:44.159 to play. I thought he was going to play for sure, 1341 01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:48.519 but I'm not so sure anymore. And if he doesn't play, 1342 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:52.719 I think this is going to be the toughest game. 1343 01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:55.239 You need to play the toughest opponent they play all 1344 01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:58.159 year because they don't play Kansas State. They don't play 1345 01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:00.880 Kansas and so I mean, this is it. And so 1346 01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:04.400 if he can't go, that means he really can't go, 1347 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:08.800 because you if they're going to leave him in any 1348 01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:10.960 of their regular season games, this is the one they 1349 01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:11.840 meet him the most. 1350 01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:16.320 Yeah, if if he doesn't play on Saturday, he's properly hurt. 1351 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:20.199 And I can already feel the general consensus in the 1352 01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:22.880 market of oh, here we go again. Now, let's be 1353 01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:25.880 very clear. We don't know whether or not Cam's going 1354 01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:27.840 to be under center. I don't If I had the 1355 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.960 guest today, I would say that he is, because that's 1356 01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:32.719 what I've been told. And I'm the one that they 1357 01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:35.320 told everybody last year that Cam and Brandt weren't playing 1358 01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:37.400 all year long after two or three weeks and caught 1359 01:05:37.400 --> 01:05:38.159 a ton of heat. 1360 01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:39.719 But do you feel like. 1361 01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:42.039 Gordon, because I've heard a lot of people talk this 1362 01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.960 way this week, do you feel like if Utah goes 1363 01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:48.360 to Stillwater gets it down against ok State, that puts 1364 01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:50.880 them in the driver's seat to potentially win the conference. 1365 01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:52.039 Even though it's only week four. 1366 01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:55.679 Yes, I do, I do agree with that. And Spence, 1367 01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:59.960 going back to last years, you were miss you were 1368 01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:04.119 just making mistakes. You were misled. You were misled, and 1369 01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:07.599 a lot of people were misled. They made it sound like, oh, 1370 01:06:07.639 --> 01:06:10.239 it's just around the corner. It's just around the corner. 1371 01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:13.400 And that was the longest, biggest corner I've ever seen. 1372 01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:16.039 And of course you never ended up playing. And so 1373 01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:19.880 that was not foolishness on your part. That was what 1374 01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:23.599 everyone on the inside saw it, and then it didn't 1375 01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:26.079 work out that way. So but if the US get 1376 01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:29.199 this game on the road against the Cowboys, you know 1377 01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:32.320 they're gonna have to They're gonna I mean, the Cowboys 1378 01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:34.559 slowly been average at one hundred and twelve yards on 1379 01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:38.079 the crowd. So as much as Oregon scaley and Cowboy, 1380 01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:40.440 they can't talk about stopping the run, and that team 1381 01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:43.199 so important to them. It is important to them, and 1382 01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:46.000 they happen to have the Cowboys have a very good 1383 01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:49.440 running back, but they are loading up all kinds of minds, 1384 01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:53.159 all kinds of yardage on on through the air, and 1385 01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:55.800 so the back half of that Utah defense is gonna 1386 01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:58.480 have to play well and I thought what we saw 1387 01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:03.159 against Utah State showed some vulnerabilities that I didn't think 1388 01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:05.800 we would see. However, there's the mental side of the 1389 01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:09.000 game too, and who you're playing. I am absolutely sure 1390 01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:11.280 that the Utes are fired up to play this game 1391 01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:13.480 in still Water, so I don't think you'll have any 1392 01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:17.440 laps in focus or concentration against this kind of opponent 1393 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.599 to be physically good enough to shut that attag down. 1394 01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:26.239 Tell me from the perspective of a season journalist like yourself. 1395 01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:31.119 I said this earlier, intel the conference or college football 1396 01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:36.719 excuse me, mandates that you report injuries. I understand why 1397 01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:39.679 Kyle and his staff do what they do now, as 1398 01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:41.800 somebody who covers the team and tries to talk to 1399 01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:44.880 the community about the storylines, it drives me nuts that 1400 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:46.039 we have to deal with this. 1401 01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:48.599 But what do you make of the. 1402 01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:52.079 Dynamic in college football juxtaposed to the pros where you 1403 01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:55.239 have to submit the injury report, where a lot of schools, 1404 01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:58.280 including the Utes, just don't say a word in order 1405 01:07:58.320 --> 01:07:59.880 to not tip their hand to the opponent. 1406 01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:04.480 While all of college football is moving towards the professional model, 1407 01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:08.159 and some of those things are maybe unfortunate. Some people 1408 01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:10.840 see it like that. But this is one that they 1409 01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:14.880 should change, and I think they will change. It needs 1410 01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:17.880 to change. There's too great an interest, there's too much, 1411 01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:21.399 there's too much riding on these games for guys not 1412 01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:24.960 to be honest about who's going to be available, because 1413 01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:28.079 that makes a huge difference. Obviously, a guy like Cam Rising, 1414 01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:31.399 Are you kidding me that he's not available? Yes, you 1415 01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:34.159 have a different way of looking at a football game. 1416 01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:37.039 I think that's only fair. It's not just fair to 1417 01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:40.359 the gamblers. It's fair to the fans, it's fair to 1418 01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:43.800 the media, it's fair to everybody who loves college football. 1419 01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:46.439 Tell the truth about who's going to be available. Who 1420 01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:49.079 is it? Yeah, the NFL does that, right. 1421 01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:52.479 Since we're in the space, I'll just ask you if 1422 01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:55.840 it isn't Cameron, if we are, if we're sitting down 1423 01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:57.840 on the couch, if we got the TV fired up 1424 01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:01.239 and Utah, let's say they get the opening kick, they 1425 01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:04.279 receive it, return it and boom first first in ten 1426 01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:08.000 Utah and then out runs eleven and not seven, and 1427 01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:11.399 it's Isaac can not Cam? Do you think they can 1428 01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:13.439 go get That would be a big upset on the 1429 01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:15.720 road with a true freshman in stillwater. Do you think 1430 01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:17.760 Utah can get this game if it's not Cam and 1431 01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:18.840 it is Isaac. 1432 01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:22.520 I think it'll be much more difficult. And if I 1433 01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:25.560 were Obama State and I saw Isaac Wilson come out 1434 01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:28.199 on that field, I would do everything I could to 1435 01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:32.319 disrupt him and hurry him up and make him feel uncomfortable, 1436 01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:35.119 because the strength of his game is when he does 1437 01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:37.560 get comfortable and he sits back in that pocket and 1438 01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:40.520 he can look around and find his targets. So if 1439 01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:43.600 I'm the Cowboys, if I see Isaac Wilson on the field, 1440 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:47.199 I'm going to do everything I can to to make 1441 01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:52.800 him not just nervous but incapable at times of delivering 1442 01:09:52.840 --> 01:09:53.439 the football. 1443 01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:57.399 All Right, one more Utah storyline, then we'll move over 1444 01:09:57.439 --> 01:09:59.479 to BYU. You were the guy that hopped on the 1445 01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:02.760 show last week and said, quote, Wyoming sucks end quote, 1446 01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:05.000 and you appear to be right, but I wanted to 1447 01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:05.680 get your take on this. 1448 01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:07.279 I was listening. We just talked to Bowler. 1449 01:10:07.279 --> 01:10:10.159 I asked him this question because Joe Klatt, who Craig 1450 01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:12.119 worked with for a number of years on the college 1451 01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:13.520 football side. 1452 01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:14.840 His podcast today. 1453 01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:17.159 This is kind of his weekend preview pod, and Joel's 1454 01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:19.279 one of the college football guys I like to listen to. 1455 01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:20.279 I think he's really bright. 1456 01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:23.920 And he previewed Okay, stay Utah, and then he went 1457 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:28.479 on a little Kyle Whittingham diatribe where he talked about 1458 01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:30.279 and I want to get your take on this, because 1459 01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:33.279 the topic of when will Kyle retire is not new 1460 01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:36.119 in the marketplace, and part of it is because he 1461 01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:39.000 drops hints here or there about not wanting to coach 1462 01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:41.720 past sixty five, or on my show a couple of 1463 01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:43.640 years ago when he asked what my dad is up 1464 01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:45.479 to these days and I said he's kind of retired, 1465 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:46.760 spending time with the grandkids. 1466 01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:48.239 He said, that's going to be me soon. 1467 01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:53.319 Like Kyle does drop little tidbits and hints, you know, 1468 01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:56.640 kind of chumming the water a little bit. But if 1469 01:10:56.840 --> 01:10:59.920 Utah wins the Big Twelve this year, if they go 1470 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:02.680 go to the CFP and for the first time, coach 1471 01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:04.960 wit has a chance to coach a team that really 1472 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:07.239 has a shot to win a championship. I don't think 1473 01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:10.680 they're Texas or Ohio State or whatever, but you understand 1474 01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:13.119 the spirit of the question, that will mean Kyle was 1475 01:11:13.119 --> 01:11:16.079 here from the Whack to the Mountain West, winning Mount 1476 01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:19.479 West Conference championships. From the Mount West to the PAC 1477 01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:22.479 twelve winning Pac twelve championships, and going to the Rose Bowl, 1478 01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:25.800 Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl and then the Cherry on top 1479 01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:28.680 of the Sunday is a CFP appearance and winning the 1480 01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:33.199 big twelve year one. It is easy to surmise that 1481 01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:35.079 that might be enough for a guy to look at 1482 01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:37.399 the path behind him and say, man I did all 1483 01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:41.159 I could. So that was kind of Joel's thinking earlier today. 1484 01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:43.680 I wonder what you think about this. If if Utah 1485 01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:45.680 is able to do all that, do you think this 1486 01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:47.960 might be coach WIT's sponsong. 1487 01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:53.159 All good logic there, because those of us who know 1488 01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:55.399 Kyle have been talking to him about. 1489 01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:59.279 This and it's not a drop easy. 1490 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:03.720 He sincere in what he's saying, and his reasons for 1491 01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:08.159 talking about retiring are good ones. He talks about family 1492 01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:10.479 and listening time with them and being able to do 1493 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:12.880 things with his grandkids and he hasn't been able to. 1494 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:16.800 These are all noble reasons for him to go. He's 1495 01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:19.560 a better football coach now than he's ever been. He's 1496 01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:23.079 got a great program going. The whole thing is moving forward, 1497 01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:26.119 and so some people would say, well, why would you 1498 01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:29.920 leave this, Well, he's got other things that he might 1499 01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:33.079 do is more important, and he's already accomplished all this 1500 01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:35.199 stuff that you talked about. And if they do go 1501 01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:36.880 to the playoff this year, if I were on a 1502 01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:40.760 scale from zero to ten, ten being most likely if 1503 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:45.960 they go to a college playoff and situation and represent themselves, 1504 01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:48.760 well I would put that number about an age. 1505 01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:52.640 All let's move over to BYU. Do you want to 1506 01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:54.680 spend any time on the Wyoming game. You're the one 1507 01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:57.119 that came on air last Thursday and said Wyoming sucks, 1508 01:12:57.159 --> 01:12:58.079 b why you should roll? 1509 01:12:58.399 --> 01:12:59.880 You were right, and they did give. 1510 01:12:59.760 --> 01:12:59.960 Me your. 1511 01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:06.439 Yeah, and that's exactly and Wyoming's not good. And Colisataki 1512 01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:10.000 said afterward, you know, in so many words, he said, 1513 01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:12.760 we probably should have won by more, but he felt 1514 01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:15.840 good about what's happening with the team moving forward. But 1515 01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:19.319 it's so hard to judge how good they are against 1516 01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:22.439 that kind of opponent. I mean, that team is not good. 1517 01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:26.479 And one thing that my covering college football through years 1518 01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:29.800 has taught me is that the caliber of competition you're 1519 01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:33.560 going up against is this is not exactly rocket science 1520 01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:37.680 but it makes a huge, huge difference. Kansas State's a 1521 01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:40.800 terrific team who and they can move the ball on 1522 01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:44.359 the ground. They've got a quarterback who's a dual threat guy, 1523 01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:47.000 and those are the kinds of quarterbacks who have caused 1524 01:13:47.079 --> 01:13:51.199 BYU a lot of trouble in the past. Wyoming just 1525 01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:55.039 didn't have the firepower to slow BYU down and the 1526 01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:58.720 way it was necessary, even on their home field. So yeah, 1527 01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:02.159 a nice win by BYU. But this week, this week 1528 01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:04.640 is when we really start to learn about the Cougars. 1529 01:14:04.760 --> 01:14:05.640 So let me ask you this. 1530 01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:08.840 The defense through three games has been like last year 1531 01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:11.399 was so weird. I'm watching BYU football, I'm like, wait 1532 01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:14.520 a second, your head coach is Klonie Satakea. You just 1533 01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:17.239 hired Jay Hill and you're like last in the nation 1534 01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:20.680 in sacks. It was really strange. So they've flipped that 1535 01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:24.680 this year and they have been really good defensively. Have 1536 01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:27.760 you seen enough from BYU on defense to believe that 1537 01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:31.319 on that side of the ball they can hang on 1538 01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:34.319 Saturday night against a really physical Case State team. 1539 01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:38.239 My number one question, well maybe probably number two, behind 1540 01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:41.600 the quarterback situation about BYU is can they pressure the 1541 01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:45.720 quarterback and you just address that. They surprised me in 1542 01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:47.760 that regard. Klannie told me they were going to be 1543 01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:50.119 able to do that, and I wasn't sure I believed him, 1544 01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:53.399 But that is the best way to stop a gifted quarterback. 1545 01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:56.640 Now this kids are going up against on Saturday night. 1546 01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:01.760 You can pressure him, but he's mobile enough to move around, 1547 01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:04.960 and so I don't know how that's going to go. 1548 01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:07.720 But that defense is going to have to be stellar 1549 01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:09.960 for the Cougars to get a chance to win that game, 1550 01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:12.840 and they've got to stop They've got to stop that 1551 01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:16.159 around game because I think KSE State is averaging like 1552 01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:19.439 almost two hundred and seventy two hundred and sixty yards 1553 01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:22.880 a game on the ground, and so will they be 1554 01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:25.600 able to do that well? The run defense has been 1555 01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:28.520 pretty good thus far. We'll see how it does against 1556 01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:30.640 a really quality. 1557 01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:32.000 Opponent, and you reference this. 1558 01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:35.880 So for me, I feel like I've seen enough from 1559 01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:38.880 BYU's defense and the respect I have for Jay and 1560 01:15:38.920 --> 01:15:42.640 Kolani to believe that physically they can hang with most 1561 01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:45.840 teams in the Big twelve. KSE State might be an exception, 1562 01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:47.560 but I think Byu is going to be fine that way. 1563 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:49.600 To me, Gordon. This is a Jake retzov game. 1564 01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:53.159 This is if BYU wants to win on Saturday in 1565 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:57.720 provo home field advantage, their quarterback has to be better 1566 01:15:57.760 --> 01:15:59.800 than he has been, not just so far this year, 1567 01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:03.359 but four stars last year. Like in my opinion, U y, 1568 01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:05.520 you're about a touchdown underdog for them to pull off 1569 01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:06.399 the upset at home. 1570 01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:07.800 This is a Jake retz laf game. 1571 01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:12.680 Yeah, and no turnovers are a very few mistakes. He's 1572 01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:19.079 got to be an intelligent, proficient quarterbacks because they're gonna 1573 01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:21.359 have to keep up with k State because kse State 1574 01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:23.119 is going to move the ball and they're going to 1575 01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:27.239 gobble up yardies on the ground. Even with that BYU defense, 1576 01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:31.760 I mean, these things they're connected. Is that by defense 1577 01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:34.960 can keep k State off the field offensively, then that 1578 01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:38.079 will give obviously Jake where it's a lot more opportunity 1579 01:16:38.159 --> 01:16:42.079 to move the ball for the Cougars. And you know, 1580 01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.079 I mean, I'm willing to give him a little slack. 1581 01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:48.000 I'm willing to let him grow into that role because 1582 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.520 it's not an easy role. But when you're going up 1583 01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:54.039 against this kind of opponent and all the fiddle faddling 1584 01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:56.239 is done now you go out. You got to go 1585 01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:58.560 out and be real and play good football. It's go 1586 01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:02.600 time for BYU. Even though they do feel comfortable because 1587 01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:05.520 they're playing on their home field, and they should, I mean, 1588 01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:09.680 that is an advantage, but against this quality of an opponent, 1589 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:12.600 they're going to have to play their best game of 1590 01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:13.760 the season by far. 1591 01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:15.880 And you should probably know this, Gordon. 1592 01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:20.039 On Saturday night, the BYU, the whoever's in charge of 1593 01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:24.560 the game promotions, they've announced that they are offering the 1594 01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:30.840 traditional maple glaze cougartail, but for Saturday night, which is 1595 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:34.039 also a whiteout, which is also known as Monday in Provo, 1596 01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:39.039 they are offering a cougar tail with vanilla frosting too. 1597 01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:41.279 Does that change your opinion on how the game will 1598 01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:42.079 go on Saturday? 1599 01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:46.319 Oh, it's the cougar's all the way. I mean, who 1600 01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:49.399 wouldn't want that. It's been a long time. It's been 1601 01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:53.079 a long time since I've had a cougar tail. But 1602 01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:57.960 that sounds inviting to me. And you know what happens 1603 01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:00.880 is and you know how it is in Provo, so 1604 01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:04.640 utilize sugar in order to create energy because they can't 1605 01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:08.800 really turn to other substances without breaking the honor code, 1606 01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:11.960 so they go heavy on the sugar. It's probably less 1607 01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:14.640 healthy than the things that are prohibited, but it's going 1608 01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:17.600 to fire that crowd up, and maybe it'll fire up 1609 01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:20.479 the actual players on the field too. 1610 01:18:20.520 --> 01:18:23.159 Yes, sir, all right, my friend, I appreciate your time today, 1611 01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:25.359 save travels, and we'll get you back in the studio soon. 1612 01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:28.760 Okay, alrighty next week we'll see you the. 1613 01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:31.399 Great Gordon Monson from the Solid Tribune, my co host 1614 01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:34.239 of The Big Show for seven years, Different time, different place. 1615 01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:38.399 Appreciate Gordo's time on this Thursday afternoon. All right, Porter 1616 01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:44.119 will be live pregame coverage Utah football coming up Saturday, 1617 01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:46.239 starting at six thirty am. 1618 01:18:46.880 --> 01:18:51.479 Is that six seven am? What is it? We'll be 1619 01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:52.760 on at ten am, ten am. 1620 01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:54.000 We'll be on ten am this week. 1621 01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:56.560 Who's on with you? Jordan win Nie. 1622 01:18:56.399 --> 01:19:00.640 Bye this week a guy who's well, let's say, pretty 1623 01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:05.680 qualified to talk about quarterback ify situation. 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There's always 1652 01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:36.039 something on sale at Big O'tires, stopping any of our 1653 01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:38.399 fifty locally owned and operated locations in Utah. 1654 01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:39.960 Schedule and appointment online. 1655 01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:42.720 Visit Big o'tires dot com to find a location near you. 1656 01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:45.960 I will get back to some Utah football too, but 1657 01:20:46.079 --> 01:20:48.439 joining me now. Did a great job on the broadcast, 1658 01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:50.239 one of the best to ever do it at Utah State. 1659 01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:51.439 He's a Super Bowl champ. 1660 01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:55.159 Robert Turbin on the Drive on a Thursday, Robert, how 1661 01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:57.079 you doing many? 1662 01:20:57.279 --> 01:20:59.359 What's up man? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on. 1663 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:02.720 I appreciate the time, so give us an updoate on 1664 01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:04.840 what you're doing now. It seems like you're really busy. 1665 01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:07.239 Like I said, you really go to the broadcasting stuff. 1666 01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:09.840 How busy does that keep you? And what else do 1667 01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:10.479 you have going on? 1668 01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:14.119 Well? I appreciate that very much. It means a lot. 1669 01:21:14.359 --> 01:21:18.239 You know, I started calling games for CBS in twenty 1670 01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:21.600 twenty two, and you know, I've just done my best 1671 01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:23.680 to try to build from there. My first year I 1672 01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:27.319 did eight games, and last season I did eleven, and 1673 01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:31.920 this year I've got a full slate of thirteen, including 1674 01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:35.199 the Conference USA championship game at the end of the year. 1675 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:40.880 So not looking too far ahead, but certainly excited about 1676 01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:44.319 that and all of these opportunities. I'm doing a little 1677 01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:45.920 bit of what you're doing as well, a little radio 1678 01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:49.199 action with Serious XM. I've got two of my own shows, 1679 01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:53.479 and one of those shows being the Tailgate Show INFROL 1680 01:21:53.600 --> 01:22:00.520 Radio Channel eighty eight every Sunday morning at nine Eastern times. Obviously, 1681 01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:03.600 I'm in California, so I got to be up early 1682 01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:06.960 and get you know, got my big cup of coffee 1683 01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:09.760 to get the energy right to be fired up to 1684 01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:13.920 do that. You know, still affiliated with the Seahawks and 1685 01:22:14.279 --> 01:22:19.399 work about a game a month for their broadcast and 1686 01:22:19.159 --> 01:22:21.359 uh and yeah, man, you know, just just trying to 1687 01:22:21.399 --> 01:22:24.840 build my broadcasting career as much as possible. The last 1688 01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:28.760 thing I'll say is you're in Sacramento where I live 1689 01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:33.600 now Channel thirteen CBS, I'll do I'll do postgame analysis 1690 01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:36.720 for them in regard to the forty nine ers of Raiders, 1691 01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:39.840 just because that's the market here in this in this 1692 01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:42.479 region of California. So it's been a fun ride, man, 1693 01:22:42.600 --> 01:22:45.720 and just doing my best best to build it every year. 1694 01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:48.000 All right, man, good stuff, good stuff. 1695 01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:49.680 Well, best of luck, and if you ever want to 1696 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:51.960 hop on to get some reps, of course, I always 1697 01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:54.079 would love to interview a former Super Bowl champ. 1698 01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:55.159 So you have a home here. 1699 01:22:55.960 --> 01:23:00.359 But I wonder, Robert, what your impressions were last week 1700 01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:03.680 of the Utah Utah State game and specifically what you 1701 01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:08.239 saw from Utah's young quarterback to the true freshman Isaac Wilson. 1702 01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:12.560 Well, I think Isaac showed that he's certainly going to 1703 01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:17.199 be the future for Utah at quarterback. Now, you know, 1704 01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:21.159 I know, like Kyle Whittingham, is big on competition, so 1705 01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:24.560 he certainly won't be just handed the keys to the car. 1706 01:23:24.680 --> 01:23:27.159 When that opportunity persists itself, He'll have to earn it. 1707 01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:30.399 But he certainly displayed a lot of good things against 1708 01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:34.760 Utah State last weekend. And I think the best part 1709 01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:38.880 about his game, you know, outside of the physicality that 1710 01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:41.960 he brings, you know from a throwing standpoint, be an 1711 01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:44.840 actor and stuff like that. But you know, I thought, hey, 1712 01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:47.840 his ability to be able to fight through adversity was 1713 01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:49.680 a thing that stood out to me. You know, it 1714 01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:53.279 wasn't like he played great against Baylor the week before 1715 01:23:53.319 --> 01:23:55.600 when he got his opportunity, and it was a little 1716 01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:58.760 bit of a slow start against Utah State, but he 1717 01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:03.000 overcame that and you really saw him in the pocket 1718 01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:06.600 look left, punk, fake, come back right, throw the ball 1719 01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:10.279 on time, accurate, and he just started doing that throughout 1720 01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:13.840 the entirety, well not the entire game, but mostly in 1721 01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:16.399 the second half, but you started to see a lot 1722 01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:19.600 of it, really that back half of the second quarter 1723 01:24:20.039 --> 01:24:22.840 where he just boom a little shoulder stake that touchdown, 1724 01:24:22.840 --> 01:24:26.239 he threw the money Parks in the end zone, he 1725 01:24:26.520 --> 01:24:30.640 completely faked out Ike Larson with just a little slight 1726 01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:33.119 pump fake to the right, I mean just a little 1727 01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:35.840 shoulder and then boom came back to his left and 1728 01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:38.880 was on target to money Parks in the end zone 1729 01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:42.279 right there for the touchdown. So just seeing those things 1730 01:24:42.279 --> 01:24:45.359 developed throughout the game was the most impressive part, and 1731 01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:47.119 I think he's got a really broad future. 1732 01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:51.600 So away from the quarterback position, what else on the 1733 01:24:51.720 --> 01:24:53.840 and we'll get to the Utah State stuff in a minute, 1734 01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:56.000 but what else on the Utah side most stood out 1735 01:24:56.039 --> 01:24:56.319 to you. 1736 01:24:56.359 --> 01:24:58.960 I mean, they were able to run the football. 1737 01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:02.000 With Makai Bernard. I thought Utah State looked pretty good early. 1738 01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:04.079 There was a lot of nervous youth fans after that 1739 01:25:04.520 --> 01:25:08.399 early start from Utah State. But other than Isaac Wilson, Robert, 1740 01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:10.640 what were some of your takeaways from watching Utah play 1741 01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:11.199 last week. 1742 01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:15.119 You know, one of the guys that stood out to 1743 01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:20.239 me on the defensive side for Utah was Cameron Calhoun. 1744 01:25:21.159 --> 01:25:23.800 You're talking about a freshman with not a lot of 1745 01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:28.520 playing experience obviously at the you know, at the FBS level, 1746 01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:32.439 and you know there were some moments in there where 1747 01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:35.760 he got beat, but again, it was just this resilient 1748 01:25:36.520 --> 01:25:40.600 mentality that you saw throughout a number of guys in 1749 01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:43.560 the game. You recognize that Zamiah Vaughn, who was obviously 1750 01:25:43.640 --> 01:25:46.760 the veteran corner for Utah, he was matched up with 1751 01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:50.600 Jalen Royals throughout the entire game before he got injured. 1752 01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:53.600 So that was a game plan for Kyle waiting him 1753 01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:56.359 and Utah going into the game, and Cameron Holme was 1754 01:25:56.359 --> 01:25:57.960 gonna have to supplement that. But it was going to 1755 01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:01.239 be a challenge for him because he's just a freshman 1756 01:26:01.359 --> 01:26:03.279 and Utah State like to put the ball in the air, 1757 01:26:03.319 --> 01:26:05.840 and I thought he answered the call really well. So 1758 01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:08.079 he's a guy that stood out to me. Uh in 1759 01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:13.359 in that football game. Van Fillinger, I thought, did a 1760 01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:17.159 nice job consistently putting pressure on the quarterback, particularly in 1761 01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:19.159 the second half, getting his hands up and knocking the 1762 01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:23.079 ball down. He's a he's a veteran player. He's been 1763 01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:27.119 around this program a while, but I never got to 1764 01:26:27.119 --> 01:26:30.039 see him play, you know, up close like that. I 1765 01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:32.760 thought he was I thought he was really impressive. And 1766 01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:34.399 so those are two guys that you know, I think 1767 01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:36.479 on the defensive side. And then and then and then 1768 01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:39.439 you mentioned it. I mean, the run game speaks for 1769 01:26:39.600 --> 01:26:44.159 itself with Mackay Bernard and Mike Mitchell, just their ability 1770 01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:47.159 to stay with it uh and uh and be able 1771 01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:49.520 to close out games when they need to. They've done 1772 01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:53.760 that consistently. Uh so far A little bit a little 1773 01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:58.439 a little disappointed in Dijon Stanley, I'll lad, but I'm 1774 01:26:58.520 --> 01:27:02.239 visiting a kid though that had a great potential. I 1775 01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:03.720 thought he just had a bad I mean every now 1776 01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:04.960 and then, he just had a bad You have an 1777 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:08.079 off day, And I thought Stanley just had an off day, 1778 01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:11.680 a couple of drops. You know, his seat weren't under him, 1779 01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:15.359 stumbling over his own feet, something wouldn't really see normally 1780 01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:19.359 from him. But still a young player, a lot of potential, 1781 01:27:19.399 --> 01:27:21.479 and this team has a lot of potential to go 1782 01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:22.319 for in a big twelve. 1783 01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:25.640 So your alma mater looked ready to go early. 1784 01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:28.960 Obviously, Bryson Barnes played down here for a for a 1785 01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:31.680 couple of different years, so you know, he knows the scheme, 1786 01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:33.600 he knows the personnel, and threw. 1787 01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:34.279 A couple of picks. 1788 01:27:34.319 --> 01:27:37.800 But did you believe early on when Utah State took 1789 01:27:37.840 --> 01:27:40.239 that lead that we were potentially in for an upset? 1790 01:27:40.279 --> 01:27:42.760 What was your what was your confidence lever early on 1791 01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:44.840 when Utah State came out and punched u TI right 1792 01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:45.279 in the mouth. 1793 01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:49.880 Well, I expect that. I expected Utah State to come 1794 01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:53.920 out fast and you know, sort of have this uh 1795 01:27:54.319 --> 01:27:57.399 you know, this energy about him to start the football game. 1796 01:27:57.520 --> 01:28:00.279 The crowd was into it. There's a there's a quite 1797 01:28:00.279 --> 01:28:03.920 a few a few players who transferred from Utah and 1798 01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:06.760 who are now at Utah State. So I sort of 1799 01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:10.239 expected them to have a fast start. And the other thing, too, 1800 01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:12.760 was I mean, think about how the game finished for 1801 01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:18.399 Utah against Baylor. I mean the second half, you could almost, 1802 01:28:19.199 --> 01:28:23.840 even when good things are happening, after Camp Horizon was injured, 1803 01:28:24.640 --> 01:28:27.479 you could really hear like a pit. I mean, the 1804 01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:30.319 energy was just out of the stadium. The energy was 1805 01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:33.600 out of the sideline. They were able to finish the game, 1806 01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:35.560 but it kind of felt like they just sort of 1807 01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:38.520 squeezed by to finish it and there was no energy. 1808 01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:42.359 So it trickled into the start of Utah State where 1809 01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:46.720 Utah just didn't have the energy there to start the game. 1810 01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:50.840 And we spoke to colwitting hand before and I mean, 1811 01:28:50.880 --> 01:28:55.359 obviously Utah's never overlooking anybody, but you know, it wasn't 1812 01:28:55.479 --> 01:28:59.840 like Utah State is a team anymore that you know 1813 01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:03.279 us to be honest about it, that Utah wants to 1814 01:29:03.319 --> 01:29:06.079 play year in, year out anymore. You know, they they 1815 01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:09.399 they've moved on to different things and they have different 1816 01:29:09.439 --> 01:29:14.720 aspirations for their program, and so you know, from that standpoint, 1817 01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:18.760 you know, maybe there was some you know, just the 1818 01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:22.680 slow start. I think maybe some slight overlooking, especially with 1819 01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:25.800 the Big Twelve opening, the Big Twelve coming up this 1820 01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:29.039 week against Hey, maybe looking overlooking the Utah date a 1821 01:29:29.039 --> 01:29:31.760 little bit, But at the end of the day, I 1822 01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:36.359 felt like Utah was going to find their stride as 1823 01:29:36.399 --> 01:29:39.720 they did, and find a way to pull it out 1824 01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:42.239 in the second half. As they did. They took the 1825 01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:46.239 lead before the end of the first half, and you know, 1826 01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:48.319 I felt like it was it was kind of going 1827 01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:50.439 to be their games from there. But I do give 1828 01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:53.319 a lot of credit to Utah State. They did get 1829 01:29:53.319 --> 01:29:55.960 it within seven right before they start of the fourth quarter, 1830 01:29:57.039 --> 01:30:00.239 and so they fought that Utah was just the the 1831 01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:01.119 better team that day. 1832 01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:04.960 You know, Russul Feizon pulled his best Robert Turbin and 1833 01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:07.880 went for a buck fifteen against a really good defense. 1834 01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:11.640 I wonder what your take is, Robert on why Utah 1835 01:30:11.680 --> 01:30:15.319 staid was able to find so much success on the 1836 01:30:15.359 --> 01:30:18.439 ground against a defense that typically is very, very very 1837 01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:21.119 good against the run. And then what Utah needs to 1838 01:30:21.159 --> 01:30:24.000 do better coming up on Saturday against the guy who 1839 01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:25.399 won the Doak Walker a year ago. 1840 01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:29.239 Oli Gordon, that's a good question. I got a chance 1841 01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:32.479 to talk to razul Fezar before the game, and you know, 1842 01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:34.199 I just toilet said, look, you know, if you want 1843 01:30:34.199 --> 01:30:37.760 to have some success today against this defense, you're going 1844 01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:41.880 to have to attack these guys downhill, north and south. 1845 01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:44.760 I mean, the minute you can get north, the second 1846 01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:48.039 you can get north, getting north, and that is going 1847 01:30:48.119 --> 01:30:52.279 to sort of be the formula for you and this 1848 01:30:52.359 --> 01:30:55.680 run game to have success. And I think he did that, 1849 01:30:56.199 --> 01:30:59.479 and I think this in general for Utah State was 1850 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:04.079 able to have some success against Utah because they they 1851 01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:08.119 played the game vertical. Utah State, when you watch them, 1852 01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:11.000 a lot of the things that they like to do 1853 01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:15.840 offensively is east and west. It's lateral. It's the quick 1854 01:31:15.920 --> 01:31:19.359 screens out wide to the wide receivers down the sideline. 1855 01:31:19.720 --> 01:31:22.880 Hopefully they can make a guy miss and and make 1856 01:31:22.920 --> 01:31:25.239 a make a play, you know. Down the field. It's 1857 01:31:25.279 --> 01:31:28.159 it's the edge runs to the running back trying to 1858 01:31:28.199 --> 01:31:32.000 get to the outside and you know, hopefully they're you know, 1859 01:31:32.039 --> 01:31:34.119 they can beat them with speed and and I just 1860 01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:37.920 felt like that wasn't going to do anything impactful against 1861 01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:41.119 Utah and it didn't. Uh, And so because they had 1862 01:31:41.119 --> 01:31:44.279 a more vertical game plan, that felt like, you know, 1863 01:31:44.359 --> 01:31:46.800 they they had some success. So Utah didn't have to 1864 01:31:46.840 --> 01:31:49.920 really uh sort of uh, you know, shape up a 1865 01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:53.359 little bit within the middle of their defense. I think 1866 01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:56.520 they're strong on the edges, uh, but they were. You know, 1867 01:31:56.640 --> 01:31:59.439 Utah State was able to find some some success in 1868 01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:05.119 between the two guards, specifically that you taught decent and 1869 01:32:05.159 --> 01:32:07.199 the decincive tackles. And so they're gonna have to be 1870 01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:10.760 a little bit more stout, maybe commit more, you know, 1871 01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:13.079 people to the box. It's difficult to do that against 1872 01:32:13.159 --> 01:32:16.439 Utah State because you know they're such a spread out team, 1873 01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:19.319 but you know, if they can commit next to defender 1874 01:32:19.359 --> 01:32:21.319 in there in the box, I think Utah can have 1875 01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:24.920 a better day defending the run against Oklahoma State. 1876 01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:27.880 I know you don't live here anymore, Robert, but I 1877 01:32:28.279 --> 01:32:30.800 am curious to get your take on how connected you 1878 01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:34.399 remain to Utah State and other Utah State alums, and 1879 01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:37.640 what your reaction is, and what the reaction is of 1880 01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:41.359 great players like yourself who played here and stay connected 1881 01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:44.600 to the program. About the chaos that ensued in Logan 1882 01:32:44.680 --> 01:32:47.800 this offseason, costing Blake Anderson his job, Jerry Bovee and 1883 01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:51.840 others let go, and Nate Dryling, while on a European 1884 01:32:52.920 --> 01:32:55.560 trip with his wife, found out that he is now 1885 01:32:55.640 --> 01:32:56.199 the head coach. 1886 01:32:56.279 --> 01:32:58.800 As he was at a pub insk in Ireland. I believe. 1887 01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:01.520 So it's just been a bizarre you know, five six 1888 01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:04.279 months up there. What's the thought of Utah State Alum. 1889 01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:09.239 Yeah, you know, it has been and coach Nate Driling 1890 01:33:09.479 --> 01:33:11.479 is you know, has been excellent, you know, to be 1891 01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:13.079 able to step up in here. I believe he was 1892 01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:15.399 in Ireland with his wife, but you know, to be 1893 01:33:15.439 --> 01:33:17.600 able to step up and take on this role and 1894 01:33:17.640 --> 01:33:21.680 this challenge and the and the kids that really responded 1895 01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:27.000 very well to him. He only one player since he 1896 01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:30.600 took over, transferred away from the program, and so that 1897 01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:33.239 lets you know, and tells you a lot about coach 1898 01:33:33.319 --> 01:33:36.880 Nate Driling and you know how he presents himself with 1899 01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:40.520 the team thinks about him. But I am still very 1900 01:33:40.600 --> 01:33:43.279 well connected to Utah State. I care about the university 1901 01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:47.560 a lot. Obviously, it you know, it raised me, you know, 1902 01:33:47.640 --> 01:33:51.640 in a way without the you know, the coaching and 1903 01:33:51.880 --> 01:33:53.920 and uh, you know some of the people that I 1904 01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:55.880 were able to connect with, some of the people who 1905 01:33:55.960 --> 01:34:01.079 helped me throughout my collegiate career. Uh, there's no professional 1906 01:34:01.159 --> 01:34:04.800 career for me. And so that goes from not just 1907 01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:09.239 people in the football facility, but folks who live in Logan, 1908 01:34:09.399 --> 01:34:13.119 you know, the actual community who were always there to 1909 01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:16.560 lend a helping hand if and when needed, whether it 1910 01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:19.039 was a summer job where there was like my car 1911 01:34:19.159 --> 01:34:21.680 breaking down or something like that. I mean, all kinds 1912 01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:26.239 of examples that I can go through, so very well connected. 1913 01:34:27.079 --> 01:34:31.119 I'm developing a nice relationship with Diana, who's the new 1914 01:34:31.159 --> 01:34:35.119 athletic director. Jered Bovey was a good, good friend of mine. 1915 01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:40.439 I thought Coach Anderson was an awesome, awesome person, and 1916 01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:43.560 him and I would talk, you know, on occasion, I 1917 01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:46.319 can talk to my own coach, Coach Anderson, who actually 1918 01:34:46.359 --> 01:34:49.359 came to sell me up in the booth actually at 1919 01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:52.319 the game. So the connection and the love is very strong. 1920 01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:55.239 It's there. It's unfortunate that all of these things and 1921 01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:59.800 these events happened in the way that they did this 1922 01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:03.159 off season, but you know, those are also things that 1923 01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:06.479 aren't in my control. But what I can control is 1924 01:35:06.520 --> 01:35:09.920 to continue to support the university the best way that 1925 01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:11.920 I can, and that's what I try to do. 1926 01:35:12.680 --> 01:35:15.119 All right, well said, I want to move back over 1927 01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:16.760 to Utah. I want to ask you a question about 1928 01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:20.359 Cameron Rising. You know QB one around here and you're 1929 01:35:20.359 --> 01:35:22.520 a guy that played at the highest level, and you 1930 01:35:22.600 --> 01:35:24.880 played at the highest level as a running back where 1931 01:35:24.920 --> 01:35:28.199 you had the ball in your hand and very big, physical, 1932 01:35:28.279 --> 01:35:30.119 large men were trying to kill you while you were 1933 01:35:30.159 --> 01:35:33.720 running with the football. So the conversation around here, Robert 1934 01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:36.880 has been now for a number of months, like when 1935 01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:39.960 Cam gets back and what he's healthy. We've heard coach win, 1936 01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:42.279 We've heard coach loud, We've heard the coaching and staff 1937 01:35:42.279 --> 01:35:45.399 and other people around here saying that they have really 1938 01:35:45.439 --> 01:35:47.800 done everything they can to try to help him understand 1939 01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:50.560 how important he is to them and therefore get out 1940 01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:53.960 of trouble. Is it possible to learn that when you 1941 01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:57.399 are a competitive guy like Cameron Rising, and when you 1942 01:35:57.439 --> 01:36:00.039 are a physical football player like Cam who plays a 1943 01:36:00.199 --> 01:36:02.880 quarterback position with a lot of competitive fire, can you 1944 01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:07.000 relearn how to play that position in order to keep 1945 01:36:07.039 --> 01:36:10.600 yourself as safe as possible. Because we're three games in, 1946 01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:13.000 he's already missed a game, and there's some conversation about 1947 01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:13.600 what's next. 1948 01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:15.039 So give me your thoughts on that, Robert. 1949 01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:19.640 Will you Yeah, you can absolutely absolutely learn it. If 1950 01:36:19.640 --> 01:36:24.439 you're intentional about learning something, you will. One of the 1951 01:36:24.479 --> 01:36:28.840 examples I can give is Josh Allen, who is starting 1952 01:36:28.920 --> 01:36:31.600 quarterback for the Buffalo those obviously believe you with to 1953 01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:35.199 Wyoming sect me if I'm wrong, But you know his 1954 01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:39.039 early years, I mean, he was just you know, throwing 1955 01:36:39.039 --> 01:36:42.600 his shoulder head down, you know, wanted to impose his 1956 01:36:42.680 --> 01:36:47.239 physicality on defenders. But when you watch him now, now 1957 01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:50.279 there's still a certain level of athletics that he plays 1958 01:36:50.319 --> 01:36:53.880 with and it's natural. But when he gets into space 1959 01:36:54.079 --> 01:36:59.279 and he sees defenders, he slides. Josh Allen slides now 1960 01:36:59.439 --> 01:37:03.680 when you watch. And so if you're intentional about playing 1961 01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:07.199 the game a certain way, of course you can learn it. 1962 01:37:07.279 --> 01:37:10.960 You absolutely can. And so came rising. He's just got 1963 01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:14.399 to want that. He's got to want that for himself. 1964 01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:19.279 But I can tell you this, if he doesn't, this 1965 01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:22.439 is going to continue to be the result for him. 1966 01:37:22.479 --> 01:37:25.960 Because the fact of the matter is, no matter how 1967 01:37:26.880 --> 01:37:29.359 great of a quarterback you are, or how big or 1968 01:37:29.399 --> 01:37:33.760 strong you are training or running back, you don't train 1969 01:37:34.399 --> 01:37:36.800 the same way in the off season like a linebacker 1970 01:37:37.239 --> 01:37:40.920 or a strong safety. You're not throwing the same type 1971 01:37:40.920 --> 01:37:44.239 of weights around, You're not doing the same type of drills, 1972 01:37:44.279 --> 01:37:48.960 You're not preparing for the same type of physicality to 1973 01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:53.439 endure through an entire football season. Quarterbacks are dropping back, 1974 01:37:53.479 --> 01:37:56.279 they're going through cones and are throwing the football as 1975 01:37:56.279 --> 01:37:59.239 they should be doing, and therefore you need to slide. 1976 01:37:59.319 --> 01:38:03.720 So if he's more intentional about having a long career 1977 01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:09.960 and a healthy career, he'll fix this will no longer 1978 01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:12.039 be an issue moving forward. 1979 01:38:12.279 --> 01:38:14.439 All right, Robert, before I said you loose, you know, 1980 01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:17.560 a big game for Utah on Saturday, as we've discussed 1981 01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:21.199 against Oklahoma State Vegas. Has Utah's the favorite to win 1982 01:38:21.239 --> 01:38:23.920 the Big Twelve. The media have picked them to win 1983 01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:26.319 the Big Twelve as well, the Robert Turmin tick. What 1984 01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:30.079 has to happen generally speaking, for Utah to get this done, 1985 01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:31.880 win the Big Twelve and go to the CFP. 1986 01:38:32.199 --> 01:38:33.000 How does it play out? 1987 01:38:34.319 --> 01:38:38.520 Yeah, no, it's a great question obviously. Are you asking 1988 01:38:38.520 --> 01:38:40.560 about just this game against Oklahoma State of the Big 1989 01:38:40.600 --> 01:38:41.239 Twelve in general? 1990 01:38:41.319 --> 01:38:43.399 The Big Twelve in general all seasons? Like, what has 1991 01:38:43.479 --> 01:38:45.159 to happen for Utah to win the conference? 1992 01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:48.520 Yeah? Well, cam Rise is gonna have to stay healthy 1993 01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:52.680 number one, because he is a really good he's a 1994 01:38:52.680 --> 01:38:53.439 great playmaker. 1995 01:38:53.479 --> 01:38:53.800 He is. 1996 01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:58.880 That's gonna have to happen. Secondly, you know this running 1997 01:38:58.920 --> 01:39:04.159 game this one two with Micai Bernard continue to be 1998 01:39:04.239 --> 01:39:07.520 really really efficient. I mean, this is going to have 1999 01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:12.079 to be the meat potatoes of their offense, you know, 2000 01:39:12.159 --> 01:39:16.079 for them to have success control the clock and be 2001 01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:19.000 able to play the type of offense that they want to. 2002 01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:22.920 But this is all going to be about defense for 2003 01:39:23.079 --> 01:39:26.600 me with Utah if they want to continue to if 2004 01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:30.000 they want to win the Big Club this season. Takeaways 2005 01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:34.479 on defense, being able to get pressure on the quarterback 2006 01:39:34.520 --> 01:39:38.279 on a consistent basis, the combination of those two things, 2007 01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:40.800 and then obviously stopping to run if you want to 2008 01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:44.239 add a third wrinkle in there. But the defense is 2009 01:39:44.239 --> 01:39:46.680 going to have to play like a top ten defense 2010 01:39:46.720 --> 01:39:50.399 in my opinion for them to be Big twelve champions 2011 01:39:50.439 --> 01:39:51.159 at the end of the year. 2012 01:39:52.079 --> 01:39:53.880 All right, man, well good stuff. You want to call 2013 01:39:53.960 --> 01:39:56.119 this weekend? 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