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Speaker 2: So in this business, this industry that we call talk radio,
Speaker 2: you gotta take you gotta take chances. And what I
Speaker 2: mean by that is there's a lot of ways to
Speaker 2: take chances. But you know, you're throwing stuff out there
Speaker 2: that you want to discuss because you think it's of
Speaker 2: interest to your listeners. That's kind of you know how
Speaker 2: this works. So I'm taking a chance here because I
Speaker 2: don't know if this interests anybody else other than me,
Speaker 2: but I have a deep fascination with this. And again
Speaker 2: it probably says more about me being weird than anything else.
Speaker 2: But and this is not in any way a conversation
Speaker 2: about politics at all. But I went to WDRB dot
Speaker 2: com during the break there, and there is a story
Speaker 2: from Jason Riley shout out Jason Raley headline Louisville man
Speaker 2: charged with using bear spray against Capitol police during January
Speaker 2: sixth riot. So we all know what happened on January
Speaker 2: six years ago. And obviously that was is that four
Speaker 2: years ago?
Speaker 3: Now? Sure was in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: How has it been that long.
Speaker 4: I know it like everything that happened around that time
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty twenty one just feels so like it's
Speaker 4: a distant memory.
Speaker 2: But it's a weird inability to truly grasp the amount
Speaker 2: of time that has passed, because again, at times, it
Speaker 2: seems like it was twenty years ago. I also feel
Speaker 2: like it wasn't that long ago at times. So for
Speaker 2: some reason, January sixth doesn't feel like something that was
Speaker 2: four years ago. But here we are four years later,
Speaker 2: and they are still identifying people through the footage that
Speaker 2: they have and holding them accountable. And what fascinates me
Speaker 2: about this is nothing that you probably expect. I just
Speaker 2: if you were there and you know you did something,
Speaker 2: you can be held accountable for. If you did something
Speaker 2: that you know many others did as well, and they've
Speaker 2: been identified, they've been held accountable and had to face
Speaker 2: the music for it, right they some of them have
Speaker 2: gone to prison, some of them have, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean they've even if you don't go to prison, like,
Speaker 2: it's still something that's going to anybody. Anytime anybody googles
Speaker 2: your name the rest of your life, that's probably what's
Speaker 2: gonna come up because you know, it's just what this is.
Speaker 2: So what I'm fascinated by, Austin is do they ever
Speaker 2: have a level of feeling like they got away with it?
Speaker 2: Do they are they worried every day and night that
Speaker 2: they're going to be told, they're gonna be contacted, They're
Speaker 2: gonna somebody's gonna sho somebody's following them, somebody's gonna show
Speaker 2: up to their work. Like I'm a parented person in general,
Speaker 2: I think we all are to an extent. But if
Speaker 2: I knew that that all it took was them having
Speaker 2: the right angle and the right quality of a of
Speaker 2: an image or a video clip, and they'd be able
Speaker 2: to potentially identify me, I would I would call them
Speaker 2: and say, look, I want to get rid of this.
Speaker 2: I want to get this over with because the the
Speaker 2: not knowing if you're getting away with it would drive
Speaker 2: you crazy. And I guess anybody who commits like serious crimes,
Speaker 2: it's yeah, yeah, but but this is one of those
Speaker 2: things where you know others have been caught doing the
Speaker 2: same thing that you did. You know that there's plenty
Speaker 2: of video out there. You're it's more of a of
Speaker 2: a just they're gonna get me at some point I
Speaker 2: want to get it over with. I think if that
Speaker 2: was me, which would never be it can't relate. But
Speaker 2: like if I was in that position, knowing me and
Speaker 2: how I'm paranoid, I think I would just get it
Speaker 2: out of the way. Yeah, but what what really? You
Speaker 2: know what really? Again the level the reason this just
Speaker 2: distracted me as we're coming back from break is because
Speaker 2: there was a pretty consistent window of time over like
Speaker 2: two years, where you weren't shocked when you refresh or
Speaker 2: when you went to your local news or sometimes even
Speaker 2: national news, and you would see they got another one.
Speaker 2: But it's a DJ Khaled, another one, like they know,
Speaker 2: they found another one, Like they they're slowly but surely
Speaker 2: figuring out who some of these people were, and they're
Speaker 2: holding them accountable for their actions, which just you know,
Speaker 2: what they're supposed to do. But I feel like the
Speaker 2: ones like out of sight, out of mind, Like it's
Speaker 2: the one this current charge here, this louill Man that
Speaker 2: was charged today that made the news. That's not national news,
Speaker 2: but it's local news. So I feel like it's been
Speaker 2: a long time since we've had our local news coverage,
Speaker 2: our local news stations here cover somebody within this region
Speaker 2: that got caught up in this meeting. I feel like
Speaker 2: there's been a long drought since we had somebody local.
Speaker 2: So if there's somebody around here that that was a
Speaker 2: part of that, maybe you have been feeling pretty easy.
Speaker 2: Maybe you have been feeling like you got away with
Speaker 2: it because you know, long drought here. Maybe they're just done,
Speaker 2: They've got all the people they've been able to get.
Speaker 2: But then you have this one pop up today and
Speaker 2: you're probably worried again, like, yeah, just after.
Speaker 4: You think that you maybe might have gotten away, then
Speaker 4: you see your buddy over there on WDRB he got
Speaker 4: the call, the FBI call.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think they call you or come to your door.
Speaker 2: I would love to know. I'm fascinated by this. I
Speaker 2: would imagine you probably they probably show up at your house,
Speaker 2: I would imagine, and they don't take you away in cuffs.
Speaker 2: They probably, more than anything, just let you know you've
Speaker 2: been identified, because they're probably not. And I'm sure there
Speaker 2: are some real pieces of work out there that were involved.
Speaker 2: In fact, I know there are. They've they've been there's
Speaker 2: been reporting on them in coverage of the whole thing.
Speaker 2: But there's two people that I don't know at all.
Speaker 2: I don't know them, I've ever met them, but I
Speaker 2: know some acquaintances of theirs that that are from kind
Speaker 2: of my community, not directly where I live. But I'll
Speaker 2: just say a bullet County and the one of the
Speaker 2: one of the individuals, I mean, he was pretty clearly
Speaker 2: a strong conservative and I assume still is, which is
Speaker 2: not a crime by any means. I'm just saying the
Speaker 2: actions that took place like that day, that whole mob stuff,
Speaker 2: and again I'm not talking politics. What I'm saying is
Speaker 2: that like it brought something out of people they didn't
Speaker 2: even know they had, you know, and what I mean
Speaker 2: by that not good stuff, to where they were just
Speaker 2: clearly doing things because others were doing it. It was
Speaker 2: such a heightened the sensitivity was so heightened at that
Speaker 2: point about there being a change in you know, leadership
Speaker 2: within the country, that kind of stuff, to where it
Speaker 2: made people act in a way like they may still
Speaker 2: feel the exact same way that they felt that day,
Speaker 2: and they may feel as if like they weren't in
Speaker 2: the wrong, but they also let that emotion in real
Speaker 2: time create a situation for them to where they did
Speaker 2: something they would have they know was stupid. Even if
Speaker 2: they wanted to do it, they would have in any
Speaker 2: other situation, they would have had the intelligence, the common
Speaker 2: sense to know I shouldn't do this because you know what,
Speaker 2: it's not going to accomplish anything, and man, I could
Speaker 2: ruin my life. But I think people were so caught
Speaker 2: up in what was going on then they weren't thinking
Speaker 2: about what the consequences could be. They weren't thinking about anything.
Speaker 2: They were just lunatic people at that time. And I
Speaker 2: don't mean that you were a lunatic if you supported
Speaker 2: what they were about, or that if you even win.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about the people that have been able
Speaker 2: to be criminally charged here, because that's like it's they're
Speaker 2: not making up this stuff. They've clearly identified you, and
Speaker 2: the level of resources that they're clearly like what happened
Speaker 2: that day is still wild to think about, but you're
Speaker 2: out of your mind if you don't feel they're going
Speaker 2: to put every resource they have to hold these kind
Speaker 2: of people accountable for that. So again, I'm sure that
Speaker 2: doesn't interest many people other than me, but I just
Speaker 2: as a true crime nerd, there's this show that they
Speaker 2: don't make it anymore but I wish they did, because
Speaker 2: it was really fascinating. I remember the other day I
Speaker 2: was talking about fear Thy Neighbor Austin that's on Investigation Discovery,
Speaker 2: which is a really good channel for true crime nerds
Speaker 2: like myself. It was this one was called I Almost
Speaker 2: Got Away with It, and not every I've seen that
Speaker 2: episode was super interesting, but I really was just fascinated
Speaker 2: to hear these people who you know, almost got away
Speaker 2: with it but didn't when they were on the run,
Speaker 2: went at what point did they get comfortable? At what
Speaker 2: point did they feel like they had got away with it?
Speaker 2: Or at what point did they realize I need to
Speaker 2: just turn myself in because I can't live with this paranoia,
Speaker 2: like eventually they're going to get me, and that's what
Speaker 2: this is, like, that's it. And I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: but the majority of the people that I've seen that
Speaker 2: have been caught up in this that have some kind
Speaker 2: of local ties, I don't know them as individuals, but
Speaker 2: they're they're I mean, this is probably the first time
Speaker 2: they've ever had a knock on the door from law
Speaker 2: enforcement looking to hold them accountable for something, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So you know, I'm just I'm weird
Speaker 2: like that, I guess. But anyways, let's dive back Campb'll
Speaker 2: talk some basketball. It's Coffee and Company. Believe it or not,
Speaker 2: this is a sports show. We are here on Sports
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Speaker 3: It or not. I we got we got whas Nick right,
Speaker 3: it's right.
Speaker 2: I mean, you get you got me talking things that
Speaker 2: are more of the news talk, the human interest kind
Speaker 2: of thing. So you know I can be versatile. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to mix it up a little bit
Speaker 2: going directions. Maybe you weren't expecting, but anyways, louis basketball
Speaker 2: talking about that program in this city has been something
Speaker 2: that will always be done on platforms like this. And
Speaker 2: this year has been fun. Previous year is not so much.
Speaker 2: And I've enjoyed every second of this season. And even
Speaker 2: when they weren't playing well and they weren't winning and
Speaker 2: it looked like they were gonna have a tough time
Speaker 2: putting together a decent season because of injuries, I was
Speaker 2: still energized by Kelsey because and again this is not
Speaker 2: I told you so, but maybe it is I told
Speaker 2: you so. When Louisville lost to Kentucky Duke Ole Miss
Speaker 2: even after the Tennessee Games. Tennessee game is a little
Speaker 2: bit weird because I think we just kind of knew
Speaker 2: that was the first time they were in a position
Speaker 2: to be challenged like that, and clearly it didn't go well.
Speaker 2: But I was taking some heat from listeners and fans
Speaker 2: who thought that I was I was delusional to an
Speaker 2: extent because I'm still looking at them losing these games,
Speaker 2: and some of them were ugly, and I'm acknowledging that, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not ideal, But you know what, they're regrouping, They're
Speaker 2: they're they're trying to kind of get a new groove
Speaker 2: mid season, in the midst of one of the toughest
Speaker 2: schedules in the country, non conference.
Speaker 3: I was, I was.
Speaker 2: There were excuses, but I feel like I was justified
Speaker 2: to say, you know what, if they play like that
Speaker 2: against if they play the way they did against Duke,
Speaker 2: that probably beats a lot of teams on this schedule
Speaker 2: the rest of the way. If they played like they
Speaker 2: did against Kentucky a upp arena, that probably wins you
Speaker 2: a lot of acc games. And I had no way
Speaker 2: of knowing that it was wishful thinking on my end.
Speaker 2: I guess it was me buying time before I potentially
Speaker 2: would have had to accept that maybe this team isn't
Speaker 2: going to get us to the tournament. But here we are,
Speaker 2: and again I looks like I was correct. Now yes
Speaker 2: and no, they're giving results that make me look smart
Speaker 2: as far as you know. They really did just go
Speaker 2: through a gauntlet of a non conference schedule, and it's
Speaker 2: kind of like Denny's teams back in the day. Denny
Speaker 2: would have a loaded non conference schedule every year and
Speaker 2: then you take some Sometimes you'd roll through it, sometimes
Speaker 2: you would take some lumps, but by the time you
Speaker 2: got to conference play, you were in a really good
Speaker 2: spot because you were battle tested and you're in a
Speaker 2: good place. That's what this team's doing. But also they're different.
Speaker 2: Like I when they nearly lost to EKU, which Jerry
Speaker 2: brought it up earlier, who called in and he's right,
Speaker 2: like that that proves that they can be vulnerable. But
Speaker 2: that team and that was a good Like I wasn't
Speaker 2: even that angry about that, Like they avoided the loss,
Speaker 2: and it was it was scary, but I kind of
Speaker 2: just at that point thought, Okay, buckle up, like they
Speaker 2: may be able to win some games, but man, They're
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of close games that you're really
Speaker 2: kind of worried about because you know, there's such a
Speaker 2: little there's such a small margin for error that like,
Speaker 2: you have a bad stretch of play for four minutes,
Speaker 2: you might mess around and lose to somebody you shouldn't
Speaker 2: lose to. So at that point, like I was still thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: tournaments alive, maybe they get there. But then they came
Speaker 2: out against North Carolina in that next game, and that
Speaker 2: is when they were different. And they've been different since then,
Speaker 2: and I mean different in.
Speaker 3: A really good way.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was by design, if there
Speaker 2: was something internally that kind of got them locked in
Speaker 2: more so than they already were, but they're showing up
Speaker 2: every night with a very confident approach in who they are.
Speaker 2: There's identified roles within this team. Anybody can can be
Speaker 2: your leading score run any given night. I mean, you
Speaker 2: got to keep in mind this balanced scoring attack that
Speaker 2: they have. I mean, you've got chucky Hepburn last night
Speaker 2: with twenty four, Rain Smith with twenty five against Pitt
Speaker 2: Hadley with thirty two against Clemson, Trey Ora fifteen against Virginia.
Speaker 2: Hepburn twenty six against UNC, Terrence Edwards twenty two against EKU,
Speaker 2: which he's had more than twenty this season.
Speaker 3: At some point.
Speaker 2: I think Terrence had one game where he was closer
Speaker 2: to thirty, and then rain Smith had twenty seven against FSU.
Speaker 2: I know there'll be some that claim will it's happening
Speaker 2: because you're playing in the lousy ACC whatever. I don't
Speaker 2: care think about this, and I don't have any numbers
Speaker 2: to back this up. But there are good college players
Speaker 2: that you've watched for a long time because they've been
Speaker 2: around and they're not elite, but like good college players
Speaker 2: that you feel like could be the leading scorer for
Speaker 2: their team on any given night. But you know what,
Speaker 2: I bet a lot of those guys don't have career
Speaker 2: highs of more than twenty twenty points. I mean, twenty
Speaker 2: points is it's been done before, Like guys can go
Speaker 2: off and have that. But like rain Smith has a
Speaker 2: game of twenty seven points and twenty five points in
Speaker 2: two of the last seven games, Chucky twenty six in
Speaker 2: one game, twenty four in another game, Hadley thirty two.
Speaker 2: I mean, these are numbers that like good players don't
Speaker 2: even have as.
Speaker 3: Their career high.
Speaker 2: They may average fourteen to sixteen, which is a really
Speaker 2: good average in college. But I bring it up to
Speaker 2: say that, like that could happen on any given night,
Speaker 2: and it's not a surprise what I think. What the
Speaker 2: version of this Louisville team that I'm watching right now.
Speaker 2: The thing that would scare me the most is where
Speaker 2: you're cause, again, if they've come out and play bad
Speaker 2: defensively and they're not bringing the same energy, that's an issue.
Speaker 2: Like we know they can do that now, night in
Speaker 2: and night out, and you know, maybe sometimes you do
Speaker 2: have an off game and they're going to slip up
Speaker 2: and lose to somebody. I'm sure that we don't feel
Speaker 2: like they should lose to. But like, what they're doing
Speaker 2: really well right now, that is so easy to recreate
Speaker 2: every single night. That's not something that you have to
Speaker 2: base off of luck or matchup. They're locked in right
Speaker 2: now and it's been the biggest factor in their success
Speaker 2: here recently. So what would make me really worried is
Speaker 2: if you do that and yet everybody is off and
Speaker 2: nobody can buy a basket, and nobody's been able to
Speaker 2: kind of establish the rhythm to be the guy in
Speaker 2: said game, and it's been different guys I've mentioned, so
Speaker 2: that could happen, but the probability of that happening is
Speaker 2: very it's low. So that's why I just feel like,
Speaker 2: as is this team right now. I mean, they could
Speaker 2: lose to anybody. I mean, they don't play well. I
Speaker 2: thought they played well. They played well against Pitt and
Speaker 2: clearly that was a big game. But just imagine again
Speaker 2: if they didn't leave all those points at the free
Speaker 2: throw line. Right they missed more layups in that game
Speaker 2: than they had all year. And I don't bring those
Speaker 2: things up to be critical. I'm just saying, like ceiling
Speaker 2: for this group, I don't think it's insanely high. But
Speaker 2: like last night in stretches, you were able to see
Speaker 2: and I know Q sucks. We talked about at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the show. They had very very much Kenny
Speaker 2: Payne Louisville vibes. Last night up in the Dome, they
Speaker 2: did it was It was awesome to see Louisville take
Speaker 2: advantage of that. But it also gave me a little
Speaker 2: bit of PTSD. But what I'm getting at is, like
Speaker 2: last night, you saw when they are, when they are
Speaker 2: doing all the things that you know you can control, effort, intensity, physicality, rebounding.
Speaker 2: Those are things you could bring every day and it's
Speaker 2: not about luck or matchup. So when you have that
Speaker 2: and then you have a night where you, I mean,
Speaker 2: you have how many three pointers?
Speaker 3: Did they? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Louisville last Yeah, Louisville last night made this stupid stat
Speaker 2: broadcast thing is pissing me off. Louisville last night shot
Speaker 2: forty three percent, and you're right, they made twelve of
Speaker 2: twenty eight. Like that's also something that hasn't really been there,
Speaker 2: but we know it can happen on any given night.
Speaker 2: So again, I somebody said earlier on the text line, Nick,
Speaker 2: tell me I'm wrong to expect this team to be
Speaker 2: in the Sweet sixteen. I can't tell you you're wrong.
Speaker 2: You can expect what you want. But like here's what
Speaker 2: I'll say. They they could not get there, and I
Speaker 2: can't say I'd be stunned or floored, but I also
Speaker 2: am willing to say, yeah, Like the way they're playing,
Speaker 2: I could absolutely see I could absolutely see this team
Speaker 2: being a Sweet sixteen team right now. And it's fun.
Speaker 2: We don't know if it's going to happen, but to
Speaker 2: know that you're not a lunatic for saying, yeah, we
Speaker 2: could be there. It's just a nice place to me,
Speaker 2: especially when you consider where we were. All right, quick break,
Speaker 2: We'll come back on the other side. It seems like
Speaker 2: everybody in college basketball is enjoying Cala Perry failing at
Speaker 2: Arkansas thus far, which confirms he was a villain. He's
Speaker 2: not a real likable guy. But I'm curious, Kentucky fans,
Speaker 2: did you know that at the time and just embrace it,
Speaker 2: because if you did, there's nothing wrong with that. But
Speaker 2: like you're now enjoying his failures, I'm sure, which is normal,
Speaker 2: it's natural, But like everybody's dancing on Cal's grave. And
Speaker 2: I wish, you know, I could say, I mean I
Speaker 2: wanted to be able to root for Cal and say, yeah,
Speaker 2: you go, make Kentucky fans wish you never left. But
Speaker 2: that's just not realistic in any way right now. And
Speaker 2: sometimes you don't really know how you're gonna feel. But
Speaker 2: I'm feeling good and enjoying col losing and you know,
Speaker 2: wasn't intentional, but it's.
Speaker 3: Where we are.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to find the preseason college basketball ap pole,
Speaker 2: and the reason is because I was getting ready to
Speaker 2: say that I believe that the Arkansas team that John
Speaker 2: Calipari is leading for the first time in his brief
Speaker 2: tenure there is probably in line to maybe be one
Speaker 2: of the most underachieving teams at this point. Although if
Speaker 2: you just I found it the let's see preseason top
Speaker 2: five Kansas, Alabama, Yukon, Houston, Iowa State. Certainly some of
Speaker 2: those teams haven't been as good as expected, but they are,
Speaker 2: you know, they're still good. Gonzaga, Duke, Baylor, Carolina. Carolina
Speaker 2: is a big time underachiever. Still make the tournament though
Speaker 2: Baylor same thing. They'll still make the tournament, but they're
Speaker 2: not in a great spot. Eras z own, it was
Speaker 2: a top ten team. They've they've played well in the
Speaker 2: Big twelve, but they'll probably still maybe find a way
Speaker 2: in because of that. But they're underachieving. So maybe it's
Speaker 2: a stretch. Maybe because Cal's at Arkansas and you know
Speaker 2: he's cal that that's why it seems like at least,
Speaker 2: it feels right now that Arkansas is the team that
Speaker 2: has underachieved up to this point, and it really feels
Speaker 2: like everybody but Arkansas fans are loving it. In Arkansas fans,
Speaker 2: Cal never did anything good for them at any point
Speaker 2: yet to where they've got any like built up goodwill
Speaker 2: right like they're they quite literally are inheriting a John
Speaker 2: Caliperi coach or a coach you know, in John Calipari.
Speaker 2: I should say that was falling apart at Kentucky and
Speaker 2: was still succeeding to an extent at Kentucky because of
Speaker 2: players Oscar Sheebay, that guy was pretty hard to stop.
Speaker 2: No last year, Reeves, Dillingham, Shepard all on the same team.
Speaker 2: I don't think when they did win or played well
Speaker 2: that it was Cal's coaching. I mean, technically, he deserves
Speaker 2: credit because he's coaching, and coaches deserve credit when you
Speaker 2: win and blame when you lose to a certain extent.
Speaker 2: But they're getting like Arkansas, It's not like they're thinking
Speaker 2: he's gonna need time. They're aware, oh, this was a
Speaker 2: big mistake. We went and got this guy at the
Speaker 2: worst possible time, And Kentucky fans are happy for it
Speaker 2: because they got bailed out. So like Cal, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't see him going anywhere. And look, maybe maybe
Speaker 2: this is all premature because he's had some times where
Speaker 2: his own fan base and of course myself as a
Speaker 2: Louisville fan, have just thought like they're done, they're cooked.
Speaker 2: Even last year, you remember they lost a Gonzaga at home,
Speaker 2: and there was a stretch of play where they lost
Speaker 2: Againzaga at home, and then they lost to who was it,
Speaker 2: Let's see we pull it up here now. I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: So last year Kentucky they lost to Yeah, they had
Speaker 2: a stretch, this is their stretch. They lost four of
Speaker 2: six games. They lost to South Carolina, Florida, Tennessee, and
Speaker 2: Gonzaga and then and then ended up beating a bad
Speaker 2: Arkansas team and a bad Bandy team in between there.
Speaker 2: So you know, that was I remember, a really low point.
Speaker 2: And then what did they do? They ended up beating Auburn,
Speaker 2: who was a top five team at Auburn turned around
Speaker 2: lost at home to LSU by one, and then they
Speaker 2: finished the season really strong until they hit postseason. So
Speaker 2: like there have been there have been instances where it
Speaker 2: looked like man Cal like this is about to really
Speaker 2: bottom out and they're gonna be free falling and it
Speaker 2: and it hasn't fully happened. And again I think it's
Speaker 2: mostly because of the guys he has on those teams. Well,
Speaker 2: now he's at Arkansas, they don't have those guys. They
Speaker 2: got some decent players. Boogie Flan's been a really good
Speaker 2: freshman for him.
Speaker 3: But John L.
Speaker 2: Davis, he'll go down as one of the biggest fraudsters
Speaker 2: in college basketball. And I don't mean to be mean
Speaker 2: about it, because it's not his fault that like, what
Speaker 2: he did at FAU clearly is not recreatable, but that
Speaker 2: guy was viewed as one of the best, if not
Speaker 2: the best players in the portal are and saw used
Speaker 2: that Tyson Chicken money drop the big bags on him.
Speaker 2: And he's a I mean, I don't want to say
Speaker 2: he's a bum, because he's not. But he's nowhere near
Speaker 2: the player he was at FAU. And he's not even
Speaker 2: like that big of a difference maker at times, Like
Speaker 2: to say he's a bum would mean like he can't
Speaker 2: play but for the expectation, and I guess what he
Speaker 2: did at FAU, that guy compared to what we're seeing
Speaker 2: here is I mean, maybe some would call him a bum.
Speaker 2: I just can't that. That's Austin's word. I can't steal
Speaker 2: his word. He's the guy who says players or bums. Right,
Speaker 2: that's your that's you. I don't want to I want
Speaker 2: to step on your toes. Bro, that's your that's your
Speaker 2: role here I get. I give you permission.
Speaker 3: Oh that's big.
Speaker 2: That's big for you to give me the permission to
Speaker 2: use it.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, who are we calling a bomb?
Speaker 2: I was Jenelle Davis from Arkansas who transferred.
Speaker 3: I really wanted him this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah everybody did, And yeah, I really wish that that
Speaker 2: people would realize that you are a part of the
Speaker 2: show and they shouldn't just barge in. You haven't experienced
Speaker 2: this yet, but I used to just completely derail a segment.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because that would happen when the company.
Speaker 3: Man was in there.
Speaker 2: And I remember those talks, and I don't know, there's
Speaker 2: no way around it, because like, if you turn your
Speaker 2: mic off, it's just because you know you're doing your job.
Speaker 2: But like, you're a part of this show, my man,
Speaker 2: and you don't have time for small talk. But anyways,
Speaker 2: John L. Davis has been bad for him, and look,
Speaker 2: they're just in a really bad way. So the likelihood
Speaker 2: of Cal doing what he did last year and even
Speaker 2: the year before or maybe the year before that, where
Speaker 2: it looks like they've hit a tough stretch and it's
Speaker 2: starting to really because the doubt for Cal when he
Speaker 2: would lose games in the last five six years of
Speaker 2: his tenure in Lexington was much different than when he
Speaker 2: did it in the first five years because clearly it
Speaker 2: was a rare thing. Well it turned in at the
Speaker 2: end of his time in Lexington, Kentucky fans just realizing
Speaker 2: this guy not only has fallen off from what he was,
Speaker 2: we're below the standard and this is just not working out.
Speaker 2: He doesn't seem to like us, and he's kind of
Speaker 2: letting us know that as indirectly as he can. So
Speaker 2: it just felt like a marriage that needed to come
Speaker 2: to an end, a divorce that was needed to happen
Speaker 2: for both sides to benefit. But what I've kind of
Speaker 2: seen here is that Cal again, he's a good villain.
Speaker 2: He was good for the rivalry because he was easy
Speaker 2: to dislike. Now I didn't like that he was so
Speaker 2: successful in his time at Lexington against Louisville but the
Speaker 2: things that make Pat Kelsey and Mark Pope so likable.
Speaker 2: Like them, I'm sure there's an effort to be you know,
Speaker 2: relatable and likable, but also I think it's pretty genuine.
Speaker 2: I think both guys are pretty much what you see
Speaker 2: is what you get, and that makes it to where
Speaker 2: when there is some tough times or when there is
Speaker 2: you know, potential doubt, you'll be more willing to buy
Speaker 2: in and believe if you like the guy and he
Speaker 2: carries himself a certain way. What's happening right now, Cal
Speaker 2: is not relatable. He's not likable in any way. He's
Speaker 2: a smart ass. He thinks he's better than everybody. He
Speaker 2: talks down to media, he talks down to fans, and
Speaker 2: he used to have the biggest basketball fan base in
Speaker 2: the world on his side, and even whenever they were upset,
Speaker 2: he's still their guy. They're going to defend him to
Speaker 2: an extent when other fan bases are really piling on
Speaker 2: the villain who's struggling. Well now, Kentucky fans, for the
Speaker 2: most part, I haven't even seen that many people dancing
Speaker 2: on his grave, But if they did, they'd be justified.
Speaker 2: I feel like it wouldn't be something that surprises me.
Speaker 2: So when you carry yourself like Cal and you're that guy,
Speaker 2: and you have these results that you know are not
Speaker 2: up to the standard, and it's at a place where
Speaker 2: you haven't done anything for them. You showed up supposed
Speaker 2: to be able to take them back to where they
Speaker 2: belong right away, because that's why you paid the big bucks,
Speaker 2: that's why you left Kentucky to go there, and you stink.
Speaker 2: So he has nobody in his corner right now. He
Speaker 2: has no supporters. He will not be able to have
Speaker 2: a down year at Arkansas and still get players the
Speaker 2: way he did at Kentucky. He'll still bring in talent,
Speaker 2: but he's got talent this year. But I remember thinking,
Speaker 2: right as soon as it's still it's still to this day,
Speaker 2: is weird that he left like he did? But you know,
Speaker 2: here we are. He's halfway through his first season there,
Speaker 2: and Mark Pope's halfway through his first season in Lexington.
Speaker 2: But the it's an area where Cal ends up going
Speaker 2: to Arkansas thriving, winning at a high level, making Kentucky
Speaker 2: fans maybe not feel regret, some of them would. But look,
Speaker 2: even if he does, if he even even if he did,
Speaker 2: and I guess he still technically can. But if cal
Speaker 2: went to Arkansas and he was kicking ass and taking names,
Speaker 2: and he was arrogant as can be, and he was
Speaker 2: wanting Kentucky fans to know you guys, you guys did this.
Speaker 2: You guys didn't appreciate me. I think some Kentucky fans
Speaker 2: would realize, Yeah, but you needed that for you to
Speaker 2: get back to work and really grind you were you
Speaker 2: were complacent, You didn't. I mean, you started to be
Speaker 2: more entertained by trolling our fans than you were about,
Speaker 2: you know, like trying to win. Like so, Kentucky fans,
Speaker 2: if that were to play out, there's a scenario where
Speaker 2: you would say, look, I kind of hated it makes
Speaker 2: us look bad, but I know that Calvin succeeding at
Speaker 2: Arkansas would not have succeeded here at Kentucky because of
Speaker 2: the way he was doing things. So that was the
Speaker 2: scenario that you know that he would be able to
Speaker 2: if he had success. But that the version that you're
Speaker 2: getting in Arkansas is the same guy that he was
Speaker 2: at Kentucky, but he doesn't have anything built up there,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't even have as good a resources at Arkansas,
Speaker 2: which is a good job, make no mistake about it.
Speaker 3: But it's not.
Speaker 2: Kentucky, because, to be frank, when it comes to college
Speaker 2: basketball jobs, nothing is. So I think there's a much
Speaker 2: more there's a much higher probability here that they bought
Speaker 2: him out and they just stink they're winless in the SEC.
Speaker 2: So if Cal is gonna win there, he would be energized.
Speaker 2: He would he would finally start, you know, playing a
Speaker 2: little bit more modern basketball. He would quit, he would
Speaker 2: quit employing a bunch of yes men on his staff
Speaker 2: that don't have you know, the relationship with him is
Speaker 2: just not one where they can tell him, hey, dude,
Speaker 2: you're doing this wrong. We need to do this. I mean,
Speaker 2: Cal the signs and the issues that were there during
Speaker 2: his tenure at Kentucky towards the end that made it
Speaker 2: play out the way that it did. He took all
Speaker 2: that Arkansas, but he does not have the resources there
Speaker 2: to kind of, you know, at least limp to the
Speaker 2: tournament and get a decent seed before losing to a
Speaker 2: bum like Oakland or Saint Peter's. So Kentucky, as I've
Speaker 2: said for weeks now, they've won the breakup and I've
Speaker 2: found last night as a reminder that winning and losing,
Speaker 2: especially at places that really have a standard set, that
Speaker 2: is the most valuable thing. And it's not close, but
Speaker 2: how you carry yourself, you know, likability, being humble, that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff can go a long way when you
Speaker 2: either are going through a rough stretch or you've kind
Speaker 2: of fallen off and it doesn't look good, but fans
Speaker 2: know you at one point, we're good, and you're You're
Speaker 2: hungry and motivated, You're you're not stubborn. You'll go Like
Speaker 2: Nick Saban used to be pretty content with winning game
Speaker 2: six to three in the BCS era, right, pretty content
Speaker 2: with that. I didn't need a quarterback. I could have
Speaker 2: put me out there. Probably not really, but you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. But then he realized, you know what,
Speaker 2: I can't do that. There's gonna be some offen is
Speaker 2: out there that I'm gonna have to keep up with.
Speaker 2: So what did he do? He evolved. He hired Lane
Speaker 2: Kiffit and Steve Sarkishan to come in and call plays.
Speaker 2: That's a guy willing to adapt and not let his
Speaker 2: ego get in the way. Cal is a madman. I
Speaker 2: don't even know what I mean. He's he's doing the
Speaker 2: same stuff in the press conferences too, like acting like
Speaker 2: he doesn't know. I mean, I used to say this
Speaker 2: stuff aloud in Kentucky fans. I didn't expect him to
Speaker 2: call in and yell. I mean, because I think they
Speaker 2: deep down agree, but you know it's their coach at
Speaker 2: the time, so they're not going to be mean. They
Speaker 2: would acknowledge it, but not to the level that I
Speaker 2: would as somebody that's kind of sitting sitting afar from
Speaker 2: the car wreck and enjoying the craziness. It sounds awful,
Speaker 2: but you know what I mean, Like, I'm just like
Speaker 2: sitting here thinking this guy really just is he making
Speaker 2: is he the highest paid coach in college basketball? Does
Speaker 2: he have the best job in the sport? Is he
Speaker 2: underwhelming in a major way because he won't play his
Speaker 2: best players? And then he's showing up to his press
Speaker 2: conference as if he doesn't care and telling you that
Speaker 2: he doesn't even know who's on the schedule next, Like
Speaker 2: that is around. That is wild behavior. But Kentucky again,
Speaker 2: like it's their guy and they knew that that wasn't ideal.
Speaker 2: But I think where they were the most sad is
Speaker 2: that they just kind of felt like, this guy's never
Speaker 2: going to change. This is what it is, and we
Speaker 2: could be a lot worse than you know, the Caliperi
Speaker 2: that we had.
Speaker 3: At the end.
Speaker 2: But man, this isn't this isn't fun, this isn't good,
Speaker 2: and the best days of him are clearly in the
Speaker 2: rear view. And with that, you need change. But you
Speaker 2: couldn't make a change. You couldn't pay to get rid
Speaker 2: of them. And then a gracious, gracious conference foe decided
Speaker 2: to step in and take Caliperry off your hands. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure they thought they were getting some special and look,
Speaker 2: he's still what what is he fifteen sixteen, seventeen games
Speaker 2: into his tenure there, and they're not terrible, but they're
Speaker 2: right now. What's happened with Arkansas is that they have
Speaker 2: lost their first four SEC games, and the SEC is loaded,
Speaker 2: and they didn't do enough in the non conference to
Speaker 2: where they like, like right now, they're eleven and six overall,
Speaker 2: lost four in a row Ozero and four in the SEC,
Speaker 2: and they do have one good win and it was
Speaker 2: a old one. They ended up beating Michigan in a
Speaker 2: game that they were I mean, it was a wild
Speaker 2: game overall, but other than that, you know, they beat Miami,
Speaker 2: Miami sucks. They beat you know, I mean, they beat Baylor,
Speaker 2: or they lost to Baylor. That doesn't even look like
Speaker 2: that good of a loss. Now they got beat by
Speaker 2: Illinois by double digits. I mean, LSU, They're not terrible,
Speaker 2: but they're one of the worst teams in the SEC.
Speaker 2: You've got Missouri coming up next on the road. You
Speaker 2: know what Missouri just did. They went and beat Florida
Speaker 2: in Gainesville or was it in Gainsville? I think it was.
Speaker 3: Was it Gainsville? Yea, yes, eleven point underdogars.
Speaker 2: So then you've got Georgia, who you know, just beat
Speaker 2: Kentucky Oklahoma, who's clearly a good team. Like, I think
Speaker 2: this thing could really fall apart, and I'd be a
Speaker 2: liar if I said I wasn't enjoying it. However, if
Speaker 2: they lose to Missouri, lose to Georgia, loose to Oklahoma
Speaker 2: meaning Arkansas, and then they get their first win on
Speaker 2: February first, I can't lie to you and act like
Speaker 2: that would be a terrible sign for the future of
Speaker 2: Kentucky basketball with Mark Pope, because I don't believe that.
Speaker 2: But I know if there's one game left that you
Speaker 2: don't want to lose on your schedule, and you are
Speaker 2: a Kentucky fan, you're a liar. If you say that
Speaker 2: it's not Arkansas, you're a liar.
Speaker 3: And it's fine.
Speaker 2: People can lie in lie of themselves to make themselves
Speaker 2: feel better about the situation. But Kentucky the rest of
Speaker 2: the way, they've got, you know, the typical teams they
Speaker 2: play in SEC play, and technically, on paper, a loss
Speaker 2: to South Carolina would be a worse loss than a
Speaker 2: loss to an Arkansas team that you know is struggling.
Speaker 2: But if I give I say, look, you're gonna lose
Speaker 2: one game, who do you want to make sure it's
Speaker 2: not against? It would be Arkansas for obvious reasons, and
Speaker 2: I you know, I don't think they will. In fact,
Speaker 2: I think they may blow Cal off the floor. But
Speaker 2: then again, Pope probably wouldn't because he's Pope. He's probably
Speaker 2: gonna like if the fans start booing or saying something
Speaker 2: bad about Cal, Pope will probably tell him the style,
Speaker 2: because that just kind of seems to be the kind
Speaker 2: of guy is, which you know, I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: like that if it's my team, But how am I
Speaker 2: going to get mad because my coach is mature and
Speaker 2: you know, not about himself and you know, a good dude.
Speaker 2: So Cal has given us the reminder that he's the
Speaker 2: old time villain and he could he could be cool
Speaker 2: being the villain when he had the biggest fan base
Speaker 2: in the sport at his you know, they would go
Speaker 2: to war for him. Well now they're not, and now
Speaker 2: he's got a big fan base that feels like they've
Speaker 2: been robbed. They've been they've been defrauded, and it's it's
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Speaker 2: So yesterday we had somebody text in asking me to
Speaker 2: provide some thoughts on an argument they were having with
Speaker 2: their buddy about Syracuse being like a mini rival, and
Speaker 2: I just said, I think rivalry and rival is something
Speaker 2: that we throw out their way too loosely in sports,
Speaker 2: and another thing that I that I believe people put
Speaker 2: out there way too loosely just to make themselves feel better.
Speaker 2: Is a bad beat. Sometimes you just got it wrong.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a bad beat. I mean, for example, whenever
Speaker 2: I had a three leg parlay that would have been huge,
Speaker 2: but I got hooked by half a point. That sucked
Speaker 2: and it came down to the very end. But it
Speaker 2: wasn't a bad beat. It just like I got it wrong.
Speaker 2: I mean that that to me, bad beats are sometimes
Speaker 2: kind of rare, Like I remember the one bad beat
Speaker 2: I had that quite literally, like I remember thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: I'm really really angry. That is unbelievable that that happened.
Speaker 2: But there's probably a good chance that no matter what
Speaker 2: the rest of the way, when it comes to me betting,
Speaker 2: I'll have a bad beat again. But there's not gonna
Speaker 2: be one worse than that. And that was a random
Speaker 2: college football game. I don't know was that LSU was involved.
Speaker 2: During ed or Jeron's time, I had a seven leg
Speaker 2: parlay that I paid, like, I mean, I bet ten
Speaker 2: bucks on it would have paid close to a grand oh,
Speaker 2: and I took an under and it was desperate late
Speaker 2: and you know, clearly if the other team scored, you know,
Speaker 2: I would have been I would have been in trouble,
Speaker 2: but that was so unlikely. And if they did turn
Speaker 2: it over, which it looked like they were going to do,
Speaker 2: the other team would have just taken an need into
Speaker 2: the game. But there was some kind of a some
Speaker 2: kind of a botched snap and they ended up going
Speaker 2: back and picking up the botch Like the snap was
Speaker 2: way behind the line of scrimmage. They ended up picking
Speaker 2: it up and desperation making some kind of big heave
Speaker 2: to just keep it alive, and they caught a hail
Speaker 2: Mary type play, but it was like midfield, so I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: this is over. Well, they ruled it that he caught it,
Speaker 2: but then he got popped and fumbled it, and the
Speaker 2: other team picked it up and scored, and that made
Speaker 2: the overhead and not the under I feel like that
Speaker 2: was a bad beat, But again, maybe you could just
Speaker 2: say that I got it wrong. I don't know technically
Speaker 2: that's what it is, but you know, it looks safe,
Speaker 2: and then something really improbable happened. I think you can
Speaker 2: make the case that one of the easily the worst
Speaker 2: beat I've seen of the season in college basketball happened
Speaker 2: last night in a game that a lot of people
Speaker 2: probably didn't watch, care about or you know, know anything about.
Speaker 2: But North Texas and East Carolina played last night in
Speaker 2: a in a what conference is that is at the
Speaker 2: American Conference?
Speaker 3: I think?
Speaker 2: So North Texas and e CU. The under was one
Speaker 2: twenty eight and a half and the game ended and
Speaker 2: they were in the handshake line shaking hands with a
Speaker 2: final score of sixty nine to fifty seven.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: So let's yeah, that's nice. So let's do the math there.
Speaker 2: Sixty nine plus fifty seven gives you one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty six. One twenty eight and a half is the total.
Speaker 2: So you took the under. It's sitting at one twenty six.
Speaker 2: They're shaking hands, You're refreshing that app to see when
Speaker 2: that money hits right from me? Me get me paid here.
Speaker 3: It's all favorite thing to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, just waiting for you to you know. I
Speaker 2: love I love the attitude I've got going internally when
Speaker 2: I'll pop open that app. No and I won, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, pay me, you owe me money,
Speaker 2: like pay up, pay up.
Speaker 3: And then when they're not doing it, you're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: here they go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so don't know how it happened. I haven't heard
Speaker 2: the explanation. But while they're going through the handshake line,
Speaker 2: somehow they were told that the game's not over. There's
Speaker 2: point five seconds left. Oh no, North Caro, North Texas
Speaker 2: is up sixty nine to fifty seven, so like it's over,
Speaker 2: the game's over. But they say, no, we're gonna go
Speaker 2: put half a second back on the clock. After they've
Speaker 2: gone through the handshake lines. Now nobody had left the
Speaker 2: court yet, but like they're finishing up. It got to
Speaker 2: the point where all the players had shaken hands and
Speaker 2: it's just all the staffers like that's how deep they
Speaker 2: were into ending the game. And they told them, no,
Speaker 2: you got to get back out there for point five seconds.
Speaker 2: East Carolina has the ball with less than a second left,
Speaker 2: down twelve points. They throw it in guy heaves it
Speaker 2: from beyond half court, makes it. The final score is
Speaker 2: one twenty nine, not one twenty eight and a half. That,
Speaker 2: my friends, is.
Speaker 3: A bad beat.
Speaker 2: And I think what makes it quite literally a bad
Speaker 2: beat and not like hey it was close and you lost,
Speaker 2: the game was over and they decided for it not
Speaker 2: to be over for reasons that did not matter, that
Speaker 2: had no impact at all. That's just I mean, I
Speaker 2: doubt it. I mean, if there really just doing their job,
Speaker 2: if they feel like there's still should have been time
Speaker 2: left regardless, then they're doing their job. But like I
Speaker 2: would be so burned up that I would just think
Speaker 2: that there's some kind of conspiracy because one of the
Speaker 2: chances of me losing this bet whenever it was kind
Speaker 2: of you know, already over, had already won.
Speaker 4: Why are they even heaving it just to go down
Speaker 4: nine instead?
Speaker 2: That's a good a lot, And that's the good thing.
Speaker 2: That's a good point because there were not I mean
Speaker 2: in the NBA. This is clearly a thing in college
Speaker 2: now that you know you are able to go get
Speaker 2: paid to play, and your numbers are gonna matter when
Speaker 2: you're being evaluated for teams that want to pay you
Speaker 2: INIL money. There are players that now this day and age,
Speaker 2: will not take a meaningless shot because it'll the chances
Speaker 2: of it going in are next to none and it
Speaker 2: could impact their percentage. I'm sure that's not on the
Speaker 2: minds of a lot of players, but it wouldn't shock
Speaker 2: me if it was. But this guy decided to just
Speaker 2: eave it up there, and sure enough he made it.
Speaker 2: And I bet he had no clue at all what
Speaker 2: he had just did to many people who decided to
Speaker 2: bet the under in that game.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely gross.
Speaker 2: And another part of the bad beat effect here is that,
Speaker 2: in the grand scheme of things, if you took under
Speaker 2: one twenty eight and a half, you got some stones
Speaker 2: on you. In general, that's a low number. I mean
Speaker 2: that's really low. So you took a risk, and then
Speaker 2: you were watching them shake hands and you feel like
Speaker 2: you got it and you knew more than others, and
Speaker 2: yet you know you got robbed. So condolences to anybody
Speaker 2: who lost that one. That's a bad beat. Makes me
Speaker 2: feel not as bad about the ones I don't win,
Speaker 2: and I don't win a lot. All right, we got
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