Speaker 1: Hello friends, and welcome back to the rabbit Hole. I'm
your host Danny, and today we have Austin back.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: We are going to get into everything that we haven't
touched about Columbine so far. It's just so much like
you just really can't can't talk about it enough to
get all the information out. So thank you for coming back, Austin.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Of course. Yeah, I'm honestly always eager to peel back
the layers of the seat in terms of the Columbine narrative.
And also I always found that interesting. And whenever I
did an episode with Brad ex Varum Christina, she's great,
she's she's a very good interview at all times, honestly
for anything. But she came on just to discuss because
I saw she had done an episode specifically on the
mind control connections to James Holmes, and I thought, oh
my gosh, there's the perfect moment, you know. So I
hit her up, like, hey, you should come on the show.
We'll talk about this, and so was James Holmes. You know.
Program to Kill was basically the episode title, and and
it was a lot of fun. But throughout that and
just reflecting back on the trial of James Holmes and
the Aurora case, and even the Aurora don obelisk at
the at the courthouse and and all of them. I mean,
there's what is the Goddess of Aurora? You know, It's
like there there's so much to the occult connections to
potentially maybe even a layered ritual involved with a major
clandestine operation domestically greenlit within the US. Well, why not
take advantage and exploit every last opportunity, I think is
how this cabal operates, right, But anyway, the point being
is that I saw this crazy just as far as
this evidence linking the jury selection during the James Holmes trial,
and it basically started in January of twenty fifteen, and
so you have the jury selection process lasting three months
and a total of nine thousand candidates were summoned and
this was the largest jury summons in US history. So
you have on April fifteenth, you have the selection ending
with a total of nineteen women five men serving And
apparently there were concerns about the selection of the jurors
and at least two from the pool of twelve primary
jurors along with twelve alternates, had ties to the nineteen
ninety nine column buying high school massacre.
Speaker 2: Jure number five like thirty six?
Speaker 3: Uh, how many was it? Let me find it?
Speaker 1: I remember. So this happened when I was in high school,
and I did not like I placed thirty minutes.
Speaker 3: Well people total seventy injured, right, and then sixty two
were directly and eight indirectly apparently injured. But yeah, that
was in twenty twelve century sixteen movie theater. Yeah, it's
such a fascinating case that in itself, and by the
way it comes up in a very critical way within Columbine,
which I had no just expectation of this. And as
soon as I stumbled onto you know, Wade, Michael Page
and in the seakh Temple shooting in Wisconsin, he is
the individual who's responsible. It's so fascinating. So it seems
as if he had potential connections to James Holmes because
he was living in Aurora around that time and was
effectively identified in certain ways by witnesses who claimed that
this individual was around James leading up to the shooting,
and also all of these strange connections to Wade when
he was just before he committed the Sikh temple shooting.
In Wisconsin. So apparently there's these mind control connections to this,
because he would just be in a trance, in a
daze like out in his car sitting for hours, and
he only only had a pizza delivery driver is the
only visitor that would actually go to his apartment leading
up to the time of the shooting. I thought that
was very interesting because he had a he seemed to
have a significant interest in pizza for some strange reason,
and was also attending the Blackjack Pizza restaurant in Littleton,
Colorado during the time of the column By and shooting,
where he happened to live just after getting out of
the military for what I believe was a sheep dip discharge,
a false discharge, and basically he was trained in psychological
operations as a specialist in the military at Fort Bragg
and as soon as he left, just a couple months
before Columbine happens, he moves to Littleton. It's the craziest
I am dead serious, Yes, and then.
Speaker 1: He and then he's also an Aurora with James Holmes,
and then he commits like a shooting in Wisconsin exactly.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is the craziest story that I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm tired of you coming on here and telling
me about these things because I'm like, you know what
I need to do. I need to dive into that.
Speaker 3: It's fascinating, guys. This was one of the craziest connections
that I've found, honestly through throughout the entire story was
Wade Michael Page, because I do think he had a
handler whose name was Todd Blodgett. And we can get
into that as well, because there are some strange connections
to additional police or police pizza delivery drivers at Blackjack
Pizza who were like involved in an assassination attempt on
Barack Obama at the Yes in Colorado at d NC convention. Yes, exactly.
So they were adult Blackjack pizza delivery drivers that were
friends with Eric and Dylan. Is that not interesting? Years
later they would they would be involved in an aryan
white supremacist organization that was apparently involving the manufacturing and
facilitation of methamphetamine.
Speaker 1: Right, And these guys that were involved with the.
Speaker 3: They were hanging around individuals from the trench Coat mafia.
But it's hard to say, yeah, exactly, but everyone at
Blackjack wasn't associate to the TCM because they were apparently
meeting there routinely so and even going like meeting going
as far as meeting Eric and Dylan at the restaurant
and then leaving to get in fights like with with
other younger students and people. Just I forget the story.
It was basically they they go out and get into
a brawl, but the they were like staging explosions, dry
ice bombs in the bathroom and things of that nature.
Allegedly they got most of the black powder from that
they used for the pipe bombs and everything else they
apparently got from fireworks, So they were they helped shut
down a major fireworks stand and and they gave them
a significant number of fireworks apparently, and they were very excited,
and I believe Eric started to craft the pipe bombs
through draining the fireworks of the black powder and basically
utilizing it in that way. Up in the mountains, they
were doing this and blowing up, blowing holes in the
ground and talking to their friends about how exciting it was,
I guess. But yeah, as far as Wade Michael Page,
I do think now since I mentioned it, it's worthwhile
in talking about his story and how it connects into Columbine. Yes,
And I had to dedicate this portion of my episode
to a friend who was actually he created the edits
for Already Dead. He created a lot of edits since
he was His handle was at jolly on cleebold on Twitter,
and he actually went to prison for murder apparently. So
oh yeah, still don't know. It sounds like a tragedy, right,
some sort of drug influence tragedy that occurred between friends
even But yeah, I'll be honest, I haven't followed up
on some of the details to reconfirm as guilt or
anything of that nature, but I will say that he
was a friend of the show and it's been a
very interesting experience at that. But I wish him well.
But he is the one who originally introduced me to
this avenue of research which implicated we yet another well
established group of white supremacist neo Nazi accelerationists. This is
how I described the Merchants of Death as a part
of a wider network which seemed to infiltrate and oversaturate. Well, really,
the network itself was infiltrated and oversaturated with cheap psychological
warfare operatives, and they also seemingly were involved in Columbines.
So August fifth, twenty twelve, you have Wade Michael Page,
forty years old. He fatally shoots six people wounds four
others before allegedly committing suicide at the Wirdwara Seek Temple
and Oak Creek, Wisconsin. So Wade Michael Page was officially,
as the story goes, was armed with a nine millimeters
Springfield XDM semi automatic pistol. He had legally purchased the
gun in Wisconsin. And so police respond following like early
morning emergency calls, it like ten thirty, and you have
multiple witnesses who first claimed four white males dressed in
all black carrying out a well coordinated mass murder attack
involving tear gas. This is the first original reporting.
Speaker 1: A lot of changes, of course, they're like, oh, just kidding,
it was just the one guy.
Speaker 3: We've heard exactly acted alone. So officially, when police arrived
on the scene, Wade Michael Page allegedly shoots one of
the responding officers eight times in the parking lot. So
after being shot in the stomach by another officer. This
when Wade Michael Page fatally shoots himself in the head
four people killed inside the temple, three people, including Page,
died outside. So Wade was born and raised in Colorado,
and if you can believe it, he actually went to
high school in Middletown, which which high school, so a
Rapah Hole high school.
Speaker 2: Apparently, WHOA, no, stop right now.
Speaker 1: I went to Rabaha High School and there was a
shooting at a high school the year after I left.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Hey, this is the staging rounds to
some expen It's crazy to me. This whole story added
an additional layer that felt so much more accurate and plausible,
as far as the additional teams of shooters that were
described on the scene, which I think we should probably
go back to that after this story, just to kind
of reinforce the additional shooter narrative. But yeah, we'll see
where we end after a couple hours, honestly, because it's
just like, I feel like we could talk about this
for six hours straight, you know. But anyway, so yeah,
he apparently according to nine News, they found Wade's name
listed in a Littleton High school yearbook for nineteen eighty
seven twice or no for nineteen eighty seven, and then
twice in a rap Hole High school's yearbook for nineteen
eighty nine and nineteen ninety. So his last name was
different at the time, which matches if you're a sheep
dip domestic operative on behalf of the intelligence apparatitude, that's true,
and so his last name was different. He went by
the name Wade van Buskirk. That was his name at
the time, and so Wade Michael Page, which is an
awesome name for any of these prior man trains you
can point to, you know, Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 1: You know house off the tongue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. And the three names, I feel like
always seems to be a factor.
Speaker 1: I asked that question one time and somebody was like, well,
that way we can identify them. There could be another
Lee Oswald out there, so if we call him Lee
Harvey Oswald, we definitely like identify him as him. And
I was like, yeah, but I think that if I
say Lee Oswald, you're gonna know that it's the guy
that shot JFK.
Speaker 2: Right, Why do we have to add the middle name exactly?
Speaker 3: I know, but there's so many examples of that and
it's very strange. But anyway, so he apparently was a
veteran from the Army right, who served from April ninety
two through October ninety eight, and then so as he
was in the Army, he had learned to repair the
Hawk missile system, which was raytheon's medium range surface to
air missile before becoming a psychological operation specialist at the
notorious Fort Bragg home of US Armies. Yes, exactly. Obviously
it's the home of US Army Special Operations Command. And
so there's an author who wrote a book called Mind Control,
Black Assassins, and it's very interesting, it's extraordinarily interesting, honestly.
But so, a Psychological Operations specialist requires a score of
at least one oh five on the ASVAB, the Armed
Services Vocational Aptitude Battery, which by the way, that in
itself was developed by the DoD and has a strange background.
I think apparently not apparently not if you're the psycholog
psychological operations and and you uh yeah, you you fit
the criteria. Yes, it does, I think. Also, oh man,
the first thing I thought of was Tim McVeagh claiming
to his sister that one day he was called all
of his unit was called out in front of the
officers and essentially they were reading off social security numbers,
and it was only a select exclusive few who actually
uh apparently fit the mold and and uh fit the
characteristics and scored well enough to be chosen uh and
also be sheep dipped and and then turned back out
into the domestic lifestyle of the general public. And then
as acting as a civilian, they would obviously be utilized
as a as a black operative within the context of
domestic cleindestine operations. This is modern Gladiol man, It's what
they do. It's so disturbing that people aren't aware of this.
More so, you know, as far as just like at
this point, it's revealing itself, you know, too often to
just it's either you're not paying attention or you're still
allowing the mainstream media to do your thinking for you.
And if that's where you are both and the conditioning,
psychological conditioning and ideological subversion is at a level that
is unprecedented honestly in my opinion. And also just the
celebrity and social media influence. I think this is where
you have the influence for industrial complex becoming so effective
and efficient in this kind of psychological operation standpoint, and
so I think it leads far too many people into
embracing that that kind of it's really a pejorative sort
of like the conspiracy theorist, theorist, the moniker that the
CIA created to apply, utilizing the Mockingbird media to any
dissenting voice who was questioning the outcome of the Warrant
Commission report. Yeah, on the JFK assassination. Okay, well that's interesting.
So now you're a conspiracy theorist, you might as well
be a communist sympathizer like Lee Harvey Oswald. You're responsible,
you know. It's like that's what they inevitably design it to.
It's it's you're fighting against your own best interests at
every turn. And I think the most there's.
Speaker 1: A stigma about it. You're like, oh, yeah, I like
I look into conspiracy theories and people like oh, but
like so many people are like, oh, I like conspiracy theories.
It's because people want to know the truth. They just
don't know how to look for it without having that
stigma on them, like, oh, conspiracy theories, like you're crazy,
Like no, you just buy what they wanted to spy into.
Speaker 3: Absolutely and socially conditioned through the public school system, which
is truly not only a physical prism, but a psychological prism,
and I think they're training you to no longer be
able to even you know, engage in critical thinking right
and let alone. I think it boils down to many
overgrown children that I'm seeing as adults who never broke
out of the social paradigm that was the high school
you know, sort of mentality and structure, and that in
itself became a popularity contest, is what it really is.
And so if you embrace a narrative that rejects the
power paradigm in such a radical way, that's terrifying to
most people.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: And I kind of think that it's intended to be
that way, because they want that over emotional, knee jerk
reaction in order to bury their head deeper and further
in the sand. But man, as they continue to reveal
how sinister and statistic they truly are. In terms of
these these pedophiles that are entirely controlled by sexual blackmail
in Washington, d C. I mean, these are political puppets,
in my opinion, and I think there are there's essentially
an aristocratic sort of a power cabal that have been
pulling those strings as the puppet, you know, puppet masters
in terms of these political puppets, and they arrange them
and trot them out in perfect moments to help escalate
the division in domestic society and the culture war itself.
And even something as simple as the Holly you know,
the super Bowl halftime show, It's like everyone was already
going into this either knowing they would hate it or
knowing they would love it for all the wrong reasons.
Speaker 1: Right, and then you have Turning Point USA that puts
on their own halftime show. So now you have this division.
Did you watch the super Bowl halftime show or the
Turning Point US a halftime show? Are you with them
or are you with us? It's like this, it's just
a theater.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yep, exactly what it is. And I think the
two party paradigm has never been more obviously a false
framework VI you know, where they essentially the pendulum swing
is the effective dystopian agenda moving forward at all times,
and they are, at the end of the day ultimately
pursuing the same totalitarian goals. And so that's my biggest
problem what I always try and significantly push back on.
But I'm also never trying to make enemies for no
apparent reason, and so I'm just trying to that's the
main That's really why I focus on bringing receipts as
much as I do, because it's like, man, you know,
I don't want to have that dynamic or that moment
of opportunity where a conflict could arise for what you know,
It's like, I would rather spend my time with people
who are acting in good faith and who are actually
open minded and objectively pursuing the truth. And only then
I think you can grow together and make each other
better and become something more, you know, And that's my
goal on a daily basis. But it's not about me.
It's about Columbine. So I got to get back into it.
But I will say the Psychological Operation Specialist score with
the ADS BAB is fascinating to me. Sorry, but so
as a BAB. The history of this test alone is
basically based in MK ultra, which I didn't know, and
it's so interesting that still, right, It's it's insane to
me that that people aren't more aware of the level
of influence, you know, and of of kind of just
that overarching application of mind control in itself. And that's
why it really does feel like one nation under mind
control at a significant level, you know. But anyway, so
the as FAB is a highly specialized DOOD personality assessment
system test developed by Sydney Gottlieb's protege and the mk
Ultra program's resident genius psychologist, John Gettinger. Right, so he
happened to be on the CIA's payroll at the very
time he designed the as Baptist Gettinger was apparently even
involved as a former CIA sciot monitor of what was
dubbed the safe House experiments, which I believe is when
that individual was was dosed with LSD and then thrown
out a window and they claimed that it was an
accident and he committed suicide.
Speaker 1: Yeah, was that one of the doctors? Yes, it was
one of the They threw out the window, and then
they're like, oh, he committed suicide because he started asking questions.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and that's why they dosed them unknowingly with LSD
during the time they murdered him and committed They just had.
Speaker 1: A couple of times, right, So they went to like
some cabin in the woods, and they dosed everybody at
the cabin, like all these different scientists and doctors and.
Speaker 2: People with LSD at a different times.
Speaker 1: One of the same doctors was in a hotel and
he got thrown out the window.
Speaker 3: Yep. Isn't that crazy? So it's not staying in work
being a CIA agent. It's crazy, I think just being
associated with the agency. You're dancing with the devil, you know.
But so, the ultimate purpose of the personality assessment system
was to describe traits and predict behavior for MKL trom
my control and military intelligence purposes. That's the entire origin
project of the military assessment Personality assessment test. See, I
don't even remember. I remember that I took it. My
buddy joined the Navy, and we were just like, you know,
romanticizing the ideas as dumb ignorant children, and uh, you know,
oh we could travel all these places like you know,
the recruiters just blowing smoke up. Did you probably a
bunch of shittier that's so funny. So the apparently the
ultimate purpose of this personality assessment system was to describe
traits and predict behavior for these, as I said, military
intelligence purposes. So you have the score for Psychological Operations
Specialist being a higher than even US military counter intelligence applicants,
so high asfab PAS scores and certain psychological profiles also
seem to draw the interest of the CIA. So and
this is why they have all these talent spotters in
the domestic US, but not only there, you know, obviously internationally.
I think that's what the Chips program very much was
that Dylan Cleebold was a part of, you know, in
his youth and childhood, which was just basically the basically
the origin project of the Gifted Program, you know, to
a certain level, which is obviously CIA. In my opinion,
I think it's how you you know, attempt to recruit
youthful assets, right which which fit a personality profile that
would be perfect for Clindestine operations. And I think unfortunately
they're preying upon our children at every level of this.
This this is systematically entrenched in a real way for generations.
And so in no way am I surprise to hear
so many children and people that I know to this
day who have told me and when they were members
of the Gifted Program like they have you know, hard
time remembering obviously all of us usually do in terms
of childhood memories. But at the same time they have
they struggle remembering exactly what happened, but they also seem
to all tell the similar story of, Yeah, these two
guys in black suits came and visited the school and
I had to sit in a room with them and
alone and have some sort of strange conversation which was
obviously a personality assessment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you never know, an episode on the Gifted
and Talented Program, and then I had a bunch of
people reach out to me. You probably won't be surprised
for this, but what I found really interesting is all
these people that were, like I was for sure in
the Gifted program, they now have jobs as like first
responders like ems, police, lawyers, CPS or military like all
the like, they're working for the government.
Speaker 3: I exactly, which, Yeah, it would be a coincidence, but
it's hard to Yeah, it's hard to say that at
this point. But yeah, I think the ASPAB scores are
crazy interesting. And as I described in my episode, in
some kind of timic base style sheep dipped operation, Wade
Michael Page would suspiciously be demoted for patterns of misconduct,
including being drunk while on duty and going absent without leave,
ultimately receiving a general discharge in nineteen ninety eight. Nineteen
ninety eight it's so it sounds pretty complete.
Speaker 1: Fake all of that too, Like it's so easy to
be like like I have a story, but I don't
want to tell it because it well, I know what
a point. It paints some people in my life in
a bad light, and I don't want them to feel. Oh, okay,
I know a person they were gonna get They the
official stories that they got kicked out of the Navy
because they failed their pfas, which like basically like their
fitness test, but there they actually got kicked out of
the Navy, or they were actually getting separated from the
Navy because of like drugs, but because they were sleeping
with somebody higher up, they got a better discharge.
Speaker 3: You can make. Absolutely, Yeah, that is an interesting story.
But I think that's it's definitely valuable for people to
understand that this is this is very plausible as far
as how you would go about sheep dipping and creating
a false background story for how a person would fail
out and discharge, you know, be be receive a discharge,
especially something like this, right like patterns of misconduct, like
really he just went out on leave with you know,
and and decided not to tell anyone and also got
drunk on the base, Like who isn't getting drunk on
the base, you know, but on duty? I guess it's
a problem. Okay, I understand that, but very easy to
make that up in a room, writing a false back
around for someone who's going to become a domestic operative.
And stage two, you know, Gladio sort of modern Gladio
terrorism within the US. To further, it's the strategy of tension,
you know. Further, I think it's deliberate destabilization is what
they practice. So anyway, he leaves Fort Bragg in ninety
eight and would rea okay to Lyttleton just before the
column by massacre. So very convenience. And so again this
is nine News that reported that Wade Michael Page also
had a criminal record in Denver, so a Denver police
had arrested Page in nineteen ninety nine for drunk driving,
So okay. He was convicted of a duy in order
to perform fifty six hours of community service in sixty
days served in jail. However, according to court records, his
jail sentence was suspended and he completed his community service
requirement by serving a total of eighteen hours. He was
also given a ticket for driving without a valid license
in ninety nine and a Rapole County in Littleton, Colorado,
so he pleads guilty to this charge. He also faces
charges of driving when license is under restraint in El
Paso County in two thousand, but that charge was later
dis missed. So he has several different addresses that are
listed to Wade Michael Page in the Littleton and Denver area.
Most recently it was Littleton and seven. But after the
Seak Temple shooting in twenty twelve, the very same year
that James Holmes committed the Aurora, Colorado shooting, and then
four months later you have Sandy Hook. Well, this is
I think just a month before, maybe two months at most.
I'll have to look at the date again, before Aurora
or after. It was in July and then yea, it
was June or July. I think it was July.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, because it was during summer bregulars, right
before my senior year.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, it's very eerily close to the same, you know,
timing in terms of the dates of the occurrence. But
I believe this Seak Temple shooting happened just after the fact.
But anyway, so this woman in twenty twelve at the
Seak Temple shooting. She identified herself as Paige's grandmother, and
she told a reporter that Paige sent her a dozen
roses just two weeks ago. That's the kind of guy
he was, she said, I don't know what happened. So
when the gunfired at the Seak Temple of Wisconsin and
suburban Milwaukee ended, seven people were dead, including Wade Michael Page.
Three others critically injured, and police called this an act
of domestic terrorism. You had the wife of the temple's
president and apparently in the front row seeing the gunman
enter the temple. And this is also according to their nephew.
Apparently he didn't speak, he just began shooting. They relayed
a description of the attack from apparently that he was
six foot tall, bald, white man who worshipers said they
had never been before seen at the temple and also
said seemed like he had a purpose and knew where
he was going. So, yeah, it doesn't make any sense
that there's no motives associated to Wade Michael Page committing
this terrorist act. Right, they try and act like he
was just a white supremacist, and that's what we get
into is how much of this strange footprint existed in
Littleton in terms of this brotherhood of the White Temple
and the White Eagle underground. And then also apparently a
neo Nazi supremacist organization called the hammer Skins, the Western
hammer Skins specifically, So this is apparently what Wade Michael
Page was involved with just after leaving Fort Bragg. So
the hammer Skins. Now, how much does this apply to
the Proud Boys? And remember the individual what was his name,
hammer Face or some bullshit, had like tats all over
his face and was originally he staged like some crazy
aggressive protest in with swastikas and everything. He had a
swastikan his face I think, and in like Texas or something,
and it got huge backlash obviously because the left was outraged,
and which was the point, you know, And I think
it turns out he has ties of originally being a
member of the Azov Battalion in Ukraine, so he had
legitimately fought alongside Azov in Ukraine before coming back and
running this major public protest politically on behalf of the
intelligence apparatus obviously is what's happening.
Speaker 1: But there were ties like they were trying to tie
Tim McVeigh to this town in Oklahoma, like two hours
away from Oklahoma City that was like a white supremacy town.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was allegedly a safe haven for white supremacists.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm forgetting the name right now, but
it's important because it is one of the craziest stories
of Oklahoma City. Obviously, white supremacists say have in I know, dude,
it's on the It's on the tip of my tongue
right now. Yeah, I know here, I'm gonna pull up
my okay, see bombing notes. That will be better because
I'm telling you it's uh, Ellowem City, that's it, Ellowhem City. Yeah,
and uh yeah, it was nothing but Fed's basically at
Elowheim City as well, right, and and that's not surprising.
Speaker 1: It's like a cult.
Speaker 3: Like Okay, Yeah, a lot of them believed in the
Christian Identity movement allegedly, which is the the Vicky Weaver
and Randy Weaver ideology that they practiced allegedly, and she
was apparently the spiritual leader of the family, VICKI. And
that's I think why Colonel Bogritz, who worked as the
negotiator who allegedly was, you know, Special Forces Green Bay,
green Beret commander who trained al Qaeda, who apparently trained
the Afghan muja Hadeen in domestic black sites within the US. Right,
that's fascinating in itself, that's real. He also claimed that
Jonestown was basically an mk Ultra operation gone wrong and
they used it as an opportunity. The reason that there
was a mounting a body count, and that they tried
to act like the medical examiner in Guyana, doctor Leslie
Mutsu was he was basically he couldn't count. Is Oh,
the Guyanese can't count. Uh, and so that's why there
are one hundred more bodies or whatever. You know, It's
like that's a little bit too significant, right. Oh, and
then they accidentally double counted bodies. And there's so much
bs in terms of them them essentially covering up Jonestown.
But what he said was that MK Ultra they were
essentially utilizing Jonestown as an opportunity when it did go wrong,
and that's why they lured down Congressman le O'Ryan, who
was a thorn in the side of the CIA at
the time, who was effectively even like going under cover
and and uh, uh does that like that does not right?
Speaker 1: Do not understand that?
Speaker 3: Isn't that fast? And he was so he was showing
up in Langley at the CIA headquarters and going showed
me the files man like he was that guy.
Speaker 2: It's good for him, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm too bad they shot him, but.
Speaker 3: Like, good for him, that's why they killed him. Yeah, unfortunately.
But he was the one who also said Patty Hurst
was was a product of being a victim of trauma
based mind controlling on k Ultra and that the Symbienese
Liberal Army, the s l A was a create creation
of Sidney Gottlieb and the mk Ultra Black Sorcerer himself.
And that's what they say, and I believe it. I
did a whole episode on the Patty Hurst case. And
my god, if you look into uh the individual sink
you you know Donald Sink you to Freeze who allegedly
created the s l A. He was in uh basically
being experimented on with behavioral modification research and experimentation at
an institution where Manson was housed the same It's it's
just ridiculous. And uh and they had this apparently they
had this huge problem with inmates just escaping.
Speaker 1: Sometimes.
Speaker 3: So they claimed that the California prison guard complex was
essentially on the take and working on the half of
the intelligence apparatus at the time, and the mk Ultra
operatives had infiltrated this institution that they were housing many
of the victims in and then were they were experimenting
on them and then releasing them into the public and
they would just have the guards just let them out
overnight and then they would show up on a bus pass,
you know, fourteen hundred miles away in Texas and commit
a mass shooting.
Speaker 2: I'm dead serious, all right, I'm not I'm gonna laugh
about this, but like it, it's so like something they
would do.
Speaker 3: Right, So, I mean, when you already know that there
was a pipeline set up by an individual Phoenix operative
that helped basically procure the land for the Angolan rebels
that became jonestown on behalf of the CIA. Yeah, that happened.
But anyway, you don't have to get into Larry Layton
and how you know the Layton family, which were you know,
essential in charge of this psychological medical research and you
know this huge It's it's fascinating because Larry Layton was
basically working for a CIA cutout when he arranged the
purchase of the land for the People's Temple Agricultural Project
for Jim Jones. He was a CIA operative who worked
for the or ran the Angole and rebels for the
CIA at that same property before you know, so interesting.
Speaker 1: I covered Jonestown as like like the official story just
to kind of explain what the cult was. But I
never like dived into it to find out like the conspiracies.
I just was like, here because I had mentioned it
in a couple episodes, so I was like, I should
at least tell you guys, like the story of Jonestown.
So I put that out one week, but it wasn't
like anything deep. I was literally just like, here's the
story as we know.
Speaker 3: It, right, I'm telling you it's It's just Jonestown. Jonestown
is the number one example that, at least for me,
that introduced me to the concept of They drove mk
ultra underground into these cult organizations and continued to carry
out these controlled test group studies and in a remote
jungle in Guyana, experimenting on a strange racial dynamic of
a majority black community. Essentially as the members of the
People's Temple being victimized, and then all the leadership being
effectively white and members of the Red Brigade on top
of that, which is like essentially traces back to Gladio
and the Italian Gladio movement of the strategy of tension
happening there. With the Red Brigade communist force. They were
basically a Marxist communist mercenary organization, but they had ties
to intelligence. Yeah, it's fast I talk to you.
Speaker 1: I have more work to do, and I'm working on
something big right now and now i have more things
to do.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but I just think, honestly, it's it's hard
not to mention all of this because I do think
it applies so much and helps reinforce what we already
sort of know, which is interesting. And I think when
the Congressman le O'Ryan's aid got a call from his
name is William Holsinger and he gets a call threatening
phone call just before the news goes public of Congressman
le O'Ryan's death in Guyana, and so this is so
interesting and became public because the wife of Congressman Leo
Ryan's aid, she receives three threatening phone calls, and the
caller allegedly said, tell your husband that his meal ticket
just had his brains blown out and he better be careful, right,
Isn't that crazy? So all of these psychoactive mind controlled
drugs were found on the site in Guyana, and allegedly
that that medical facility in Guyana was state of the
art and far more sophisticated than anything else on the property,
and allegedly had been there long before the People's Temple
located to this area. And so it turns out and
the British Black Watch, the you know, mercenary force, they were,
they just so happened to be running some sort of
what was it a not a simulation, but some kind
of it was, yeah, yeah, exercise of some kind in
the area whenever the the revolutionary mass suicide took place, right,
But yeah, seemingly a lot of different people were fleeing
from Jonestown into the jungle and got shot, right, and
Green Berets were very soon on the site. And allegedly
that was the part that I had some leftist progressive
journalists get very upset about because I mentioned that a
Green Beret had gone on the record claiming that He
was a part of the team flown into Jonestown that
day and they were ordered he said, they were ordered
to shoot on site.
Speaker 1: So wild they were trying to cover that up. We
need to shut up stow.
Speaker 3: Yep. He described it as people running up to the
helicopter before it even landed, and he and his fellow
individuals in the unit opened fire and killed them before
they landed. Interesting, that's why so many of the bodies
had had bullet wounds and didn't only you know, allegedly
die from cyanide poisoning. And by the way, the cyanide
poisoning looks like the bodies were turned over, staged and
had injection marks on the back, so they couldn't have
injected themselves. And I guess it is plausible that other
members of the community were injecting their fellow members. That's plausible,
I guess.
Speaker 2: But it's just like you see a couple of people die,
you're like, h.
Speaker 3: You know what else. Many people were claiming that the
punch itself was because they claimed they drank the kool aid.
It was actually flavor aid, all right, this was an
off brand. These are communists, dude, These are communists. They're
not buying kool aid, you know, that's real though, and uh,
and apparently they were buying this flavor aid and that's
allegedly what the cyanide was was, you know, put in,
which does none of this really follows the science in
any real way as far as the evidence is concerned.
But they say that potentially the punch was was drugged
and that the vast majority of the of the members
were unconscious whenever they were injected with cyanide, which makes
a lot more sense because then they wouldn't be struggling, right,
And then also people who were apparently rejecting and resisting, uh,
they would we were effectively shot and executed and and
also potentially forcefully drugged beforehand. And so that yeah, that's
what a lot of the just as far as the
what doctor Leslie Moutu had claimed as far as the
medical examiner, and that's why I think they tried to
undermine his credibility and claimed that the rising death toll
was due to the Guyanese being unable to apparently, yeah,
conductor count. But obviously in the minds of the of
the American public, it's like, oh, yeah, these backwoods, you know,
a third world country retards don't the account.
Speaker 1: I'd love to do all the examinations of our guys,
which was fine, but they don't not count.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then all the bodies were never returned to
their families and they were actually most of them were
incinerated right at a military morgue basically, and you also
had some of them just go missing and be discovered
years later, misidentified and allegedly a part of the Johnstown
death list.
Speaker 1: That sounds a lot like Pat Price.
Speaker 3: You know that the assassin James Earl Ray, the assassin
of the alleged assassin of MLK, right, Yeah, his So
the wife of James Earl Ray's landlord was a key
witness who apparently it was an eyewitness who saw the
individual run down with the rifle and uh and also
escaped the apartment after they had gotten up on the
whatever and shot MLK from a window. And it turns
out that she effectively gets institutionalized just before she's supposed
to be the key witness in this assassination. And then
as she's institutional institutionalized, she's lost in the system. Oh
and so then she gets a defense attorney who she
moves in with and lives with for a time and
he actually inevitably writes a book about Jonestown. And this
man has direct connections to the CIA. And it turns
out that uh, what was her name, uh something Golden,
something Golden. I forget her name now, but Grace, Grace Walden,
that was it, Grace Walden. Sorry I messed up the
g But anyway, her name was Grace Walden and she
was the key witness. She gets institutionalized and then she disappears.
Her body was found at Jonestown amongst the dead.
Speaker 1: What an easy way to clean up? They're like, oh,
it was a colt, you know. They thought they were
like gonna go to a different universe like the Aliens are.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was just a cult and they all just killed themselves.
Speaker 3: Isn't that ridiculous? Now? This is why I think what
Colonel Bougritz had to say, you know, about his theory
on Johnstown. And again he's the negotiator hostage negotiator at
Ruby Ridge allegedly personally knew Randy Weaver. Now he was
a Special Forces operative right as far as now from
what I heard when I was doing further research on Waco. Allegedly,
Randy Weaver and David Koresh were named as potential assets
of a manteraranean candidate program through the green Berat system,
and basically this is what happened with Tim McVay as well.
And so they were saying that they had assets that
were activated in the domestic us just in general public life,
and we're going about their their essential programming. But then
because of the shelf life of the programming of the
mk Ultra, they were effectively waking up to their programming
and therefore derailing some of what they were supposed to
continue on doing. And that is why basically they claimed
that members of the leadership of the Branch Davidians surrounding
David Koresh were also mind controlled assets, and that they
had members of the Branch Davidians actually creating some I
forget the name of the style of bomb, this explosive
device that they were allegedly going to try and use
in a domestic bombing, which this is leading up to. Okay, see,
very strange that that would be said at all, you know.
Speaker 1: So, Okay, I'm going to tie back to Columbine here
for a secon because I had a question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Waco and.
Speaker 1: Ruby Ridge and okay see, they all happen on April
nineteenth to commemorate like Ruby Ridge. Right, so Ruby Ridge
happens on April nineteenth, or no, excuse me, ruby Ridge doesn't.
Waco happens on April nineteen, and then okay, see happens
on April nineteenth to like bring awareness, is what they say.
Speaker 3: Well, then I think it's Waco Ruby Ridge, and okay see,
I think.
Speaker 1: No Ridge happened earlier. Ruby Ridge is just connected because of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ruby Ridge happened first.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, it happened first, but it didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Met Ruby Ridge Waco and then okay see, I'm pretty
sure that is how it goes, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So then okay, see happened on April nineteenth, because
that's the when the Waco massacre happened because they had
already been like they had been in the like the
standoff with the atf FBI for months or for like
how many days. Well, then they say that Columbine happened
on the twentieth to also like for the anniversary of Waco,
But that doesn't make sense because it wasn't the twentieth
the seite like that Tuesday. So then they could have
done April nineteenth, which was the Monday.
Speaker 3: Right, and I think there there was a case where
I think it was Carl doctor Carl Rashki claimed that
that was all the dialogue and communication correspondence between individuals
that apparently of special forces and things of that nature
with intelligence backgrounds. There was a lot of different reports
claiming that April nineteenth was supposed to be today, but
it was moved off for some specific and certain reason.
And I can't remember exactly why. I'll pull that note
here in a second, because I do think it's important,
and especially what Karl Rashki said specifically, because you know,
again he was saying that there was prior to knowledge
and that this was very much you know, structured, and
just as far as the event itself being staged, right,
is very much what he was alluding to, which I
find to be far more plausible than what we're led
to believe. And I will only mention the final point
on as far as bogue Ritz and what he said
on Jonestown, because I do think it's fascinating and it
ties back to everything that you know, as far as
them using it as an opportunity to get rid of
legitimate bodies and victims who you know. Again, it's like
what he claims was potentially the case. And so James
Gordon Gritz, former United States Army Special Forces officer, worked
in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Following his
formal retirement at the rank of lieutenant colonel in seventy nine.
He trained the Afghan Mujahadeen on military basis in America
on behalf of the government convenience. So, in an interview
that he was promoting his book, I'm pretty sure that
was called Called to Serve and a Nation Betrayed, two
separate books, and it was in ninety five, he said, specifically,
quote a few weeks ago, there was a report out
of Montreal about people winning cases against the CIA because
they were utterly abused in the mental health clinic that
was set up by the CIA in Canada. That all
came down under Alan Doles, who tried to make a
Manchurian candidate. I think the Jonestown incident was an extension
of in search of the Manchurian candidate. I think those
people were conditioned to act in certain ways and would
have probably just moved from Montreal to Guyana. In this case,
you look at Jim Jones' background carefully. He had a
lot of intelligence contacts there for doing exactly what he did.
Interviewer questioned, did it go haywire? Of course it went haywire.
God be praised. Just like the Montreal Montreal Health Institute,
it self destructs because it's not good in its essence.
Most of these folks involved were street people, so they
didn't have people who knew where they were or were
concerned about their well being. It escalated once they killed
Congressman le O Ryan. Basically they had no other way
to go, so they just tried to self destruct the
whole mission, and that means the death of hundreds of people.
As I point out in the book, the medical examiner
there made some startling statements, and we wouldn't even allow
the bodies to be properly examined when they were brought
back to the East Coast and turned in, so obviously
it was a cover up. Jonestown I think was an
extension of mk Ultra from the CIA, and there are
probably other experiments going on. Alan Dolls is dead, but
that doesn't mean that the idea of controlling people's minds
and behavior is dead. And I still think that is
a goal. Jaballas is quan right, that's amazing, And he
legitimately was absolutely he was the negotiator at Ruby Ridge
who claimed have witnessed at the they called when they
staged that military escalation at Ruby Ridge, which is basically
what it was. They set up camps. It looked like
a military in camp. Uh. They called it Camp Vicki
after they shot her to death with a baby infant
in her arms. Right, So then they would get on
the loud speaker and yell at the kids and and
Randy in the house and they would say, Hey, Vicky,
what's for breakfast?
Speaker 1: We didn't know that we shot her.
Speaker 3: He didn't know we shot her. We didn't know she
was dead.
Speaker 1: They had that same sniper he was at Waco on.
Speaker 3: Lori Ucci confirmed kills at Waco. Man and he's an
Asian sniper. He's like, it's like some honestly, it's crazy
to see like some some international footprint of using the
operatives you know, from from overseas to commit and stage
domestic terrorism in the US. I mean, they gassed the
people in Waco also, and and that's why I think
it was a neurotoxin and they were paralyn so they
couldn't even move. That was the point. And they claimed
that when they went in, they executed them at point
blank range with weapons, right the special forces unit that
went in, they had a joint intelligence operation where you
had foreign intelligence leaders on the ground at Waco just
seeing what would happen. How does that not sound like
I mean, let alone the standoff and the you know,
the siege of the Branch Davidians where they're playing music
like they're playing on.
Speaker 2: The signers, Yeah, like the whites and the music and.
Speaker 3: Like rabbits being slaughtered, Buddhist chanting, like psychological warfare, you know.
And then they were they also pulled the electricity right
just after they allowed milk to be delivered so it
would go bad. Talk about dealing in bad faith with
the people you claim to be negotiating with, you know,
having a.
Speaker 1: Single documentary or anytime, because they remake it all the time,
and they try to play it off, like the FBI
and the ATF like even if they're like the bad
guys in the documentary and they're like no, like it
was fine, like they were trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous and I'm telling you it's like there were
more than just atf FBI. I think there was a
special forces unit there that day, and that they legitimately
did gass those people, and they set the fire on purpose,
and you know it's like after you see the ferret
rounds from the tank that they shoved in there, and
then they knew would ignite, you know, after they spread
the gas. I mean, at every level, they destroyed those
people lives and the notion that they negotiated some of
the release of some of the kids and older people,
and then as they come out, they put them in
chains and they trot them out in front of the
Branch Davidian Complex as hostages right to try and force
the rest to come out. I mean, they couldn't have
handled that any worse. But obviously I could talk about
Waco forever as well. But yeah, I think it's probably
better to just get back in the Columbine because I'm sorry,
I can't help myself sometimes, but I will.
Speaker 1: Say, it is really all connected, so it's really important
that like we touch on the other things because it's
so crupped.
Speaker 3: And I did mention the Phoenix program operative. His name
was Colston Westbrook, was his name, and he was involved apparently,
and I forget the name of the operation, it's a
very strange name, but it was a part of the
Angle of Rebel CIA operation with that same remote location
in Guyana that he apparently was working through that area
after helping procure that land to train the Angle and
rebels for the CIA there, and that later became the
People's Temple Agricultural Project and Jim Jones moved there. But
he would then come back from his Phoenix program my
Control experimentation to become a fake professor at the University
UC Berkeley. Oh Okay. So he then sets up a
pipeline from UC Berkeley for students to go to this
psychological institution where they house Donald sink You to Freeze
and we're conducting mk ultra experiments on the inmates. Yeah,
they had a student program set up a pipeline from
the university to the institution where it turns out Patty
Hurst had been going and meeting with Donald Sink You
to Freeze before she allegedly even knew him, and he
escaped and kidnapped her. I'll tell you it's so crazy,
it's just all coincidence. But to take it back, to Columbine.
We have Wade Michael Page, which we still have to
finish this point because again it's his background as well,
like his pilgrimage following Following Columbine specifically is very interesting
and Strange's he inevitably starts infiltrating and joining these groups
that you know are affiliated with white supremacist neo Nazi organizations.
Reportedly a member of the Western Hammerskins. So the Hammerskins
were formed in nineteen ninety eight in Dallas, Texas, and
they had a primary focus in the production of promotion
of white power rock music. So you have many white
power bands also being promoted obviously through this and their
affiliation with the group, and so the Hammerskins were directly
affiliated with the record label nine Percent Productions. Now this
comes up later, So nine percent Productions glows like the Sun.
I believe it was an intelligence cutout construct to help
influence white supremacist music within the culture of the domestic
us and it was a perfect moment. It was coming
in in eighty eight if you consider the rise of
the pat Con operation and obviously infiltrating right wing militia
groups and organizations in order to stage domestic terrorist operations
to then provide yourself with the justification and pretext as
the government and establishment to crack down on that very
alleged threat that you legitimately constructed and created yourself, which
is just you know, the dystopian you know, totalitarian tiptoe.
As I've said many times, thank you David Ike for that,
you know, because that's at least one of the things
I've always respected about him, is that specific statement of
the totalitarian tiptoe, because I do think it's such a
disa poignant statement in terms of the Dystopian agenda and
how it's consistently moving in the wrong direction right and
the vast majority seem unable to wake up and reflect
on that and understand the true power paradigm as it
is structured in its modern form. But anyway, this group
nine Percent Productions. They hosted several annual concerts, including Hammerfest
and annual events in both the US and Europe in
honor of deceased Hammerskin Joe Rowan. Rowan the lead singer
of the band Nordic Thunder. So instantly I think neo pagan,
we have a pagan connection here that falls into so
many the nine A right order of nine angles. So
many of these accelerationist groups that do seemingly provide an
avenue for diabolical influence in terms of the mash hing
phenomena that has you know, very much been probably designed
and well constructed, but Nordic thunder. Instantly, I thought, okay,
we're dealing with pagans, right, which I also have to
say that on Tuesday have already dead. We had we
basically had the chat flooded with Satanist Neil paganists, and
it was very uncomfortable and unsettling as well. And I
will also say that for some strange reason, this little
glowing spook by the name of Manny Grossman, who's like
a Netflix star, who's you know, as a just an
inflated ego of some kind. But also I think that's
in terms of the influence of his family dynamic in
a way, because apparently his father was key in the
New York Police Department, in the NYPD in the nineteen
seventy well during the Son of Sam case, right yeah,
and with David Burkewitz. And it turns out that his
father had intelligence connections and was actually helping facilitate the
cover up within the NYPD at the time, so to
make certain they would pin this as a loan perpetrator, right,
being David Burkewitz, and no overarching network or cult group
that existed, say, you know, ritualistically sacrificing children in Untermeyer Park. No,
they wouldn't do that. So this guy's father, Grossman's father
was legitimately in charge of helping facilitate this cover up
in New York during that time. So Dana from the
Process What is the Process podcast, Dana Dudah, she's pretty great.
She basically was being harassed by this guy as well
for quite a while. And then when I didn't know
this until I dropped my Son of basically my processed
Church of the Final Judgment episode through the ends of
the Son of Sam case, particularly with Mariy Terry's Ultimate
eval as one of the inspiring works. You know, obviously,
but I feel like this individual's lot in life is
to attempt to discredit and undermine the credibility of Moriy Terry.
And it's very very obvious that that is the case.
And so somehow within the past few weeks he just
started harassing me again out of nowhere, because he first
was showing himself when I dropped that original episode, and
then yeah, like three weeks ago, he's in the comments
and saying, how did you get that information about my father?
You're one hundred percent full of shit?
Speaker 1: And then, which you know, is like I'm on the right.
Speaker 3: Track exactly, I'm like okay. And so then like a
few days later, there's another comment and it's on like
an episode from six months ago at least, which nowhere
in the title it was a morning dump episode. I
was still doing it with joy and and yeah, there
was no context as to why he would have like
found that and uh dove in understanding we would have
gone there. But still he had the audacity to say
something there and and then post on his own YouTube
basically a demand that we respond one of the like
Dana and your friends at the underclass and I'm just like,
my god, these It's so the point being, is that right?
And the point being though, is that I really, legitimately
do there believe there's a playbook being practiced and implemented
where you have little glowing spooks that follow around the
individual content creators, dissenting voices, whatever the case may be,
attempting to you know, seed clouds of doubt in a
way as well as Yeah, it's just a strange, strange technique,
but I'm I'm I'm seeing it play out in real time.
And and so I have to say beware of the
neopagan Satanist spooks out there, because they exist. But anyway,
I wouldn't well, yeah, I shouldn't talk about this, dude anymore, honestly.
But the point being is that Nordic thunder, right, these Pagans,
That's what triggered the memory obviously of this week. But
so you have and I think the Delphi murders whenever
I covered that because specifically involves the Vinlander group and
these neopagan organizations that legitimately are are committing murder, you know,
ritualistic murders, right, And and yeah, you have many individuals
who are among this strange ideology and subgroup that find
the need to overwhelmingly defend this belief system. And man,
all I'm saying is is, if you're worshiping ancient deities
like these pagan gods, I just think you're dancing with
the devil. I think this is a structured system to
help rob you of your soul. And if you want
to play that game, you'll find yourself in a very
strange place, and I don't think it'll be inevitably be
a good position to be in my opinion. But what
do you know. I think the spiritual battle is a
major component here that all of us should acknowledge. But yeah, So,
the ADL describes the Hammer Skins as the United States
best organized neo Nazi skinhead group. The extraordinary level of
federal involvement with the group has been very well documented.
We know that Paige was in Littleton, Colorado, in nineteen
ninety nine. We also know that in two thousand, with
no known source of income, Wade Michael Page suddenly left
Littleton on a cross country trip, visiting friends and attending
festivals in Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, West Virginia, and California.
According to a statement that was allegedly made by Wade
Michael Page himself regarding his abrupt departure from Littleton just
after Columbine quote, I am originally from Colorado and had
always been independent, but back in two thousand, I set
out to get involved and wanted to basically start over.
So I sold everything I owned except for my motorcycle
and what I could fit into a backpack and went
on a cross country trip, visiting friends and attending festivals
and shows. I went to Hammerfest two thousand and Georgia,
over to North Carolina, up to Ohio, down to West Virginia,
and out to California. And that's when I joined young Land.
Columbine High School located six two zero one South Pierce Street, Littleton.
Page's address was five five two nine South Windermere Street,
Apartment twenty three in Littleton, four point eight miles away
from Columbine, four point six miles from Blackjack Pizza, and
about six point three miles from Eric Harris's home six
sixty six. Isn't that interesting? Wait?
Speaker 1: His home address is sixty sixty six.
Speaker 3: It's all three of these, as far as the four
addresses that I just mentioned you have, Okay, yeah, okay,
it's just interesting. Yeah, it's very interesting to me. But
still you never you never know. I just found it,
like the three hundred and thirty gallons of sulfuric acid
that the Epstein Estate apparently purchased for the island the
day the FBI opened the investigation into the pedophile network
HMM thirty three, three hundred and thirty it could be
an accident. Six six barrels of sulfuric. Yeah, I know,
it's a three hundred and thirty three hours, thirty three
minutes on the Columbine tape, you know, as far as
the yeah, theah CAFETERI. I'm telling you it's difficult to
chalk it up to that at a certain point. But
I won't linger on that obviously speculation, but I will
say that the Denver police, they refused to release the
nineteen ninety nine mug shot of Wade Michael Page, saying
the FBI in Wisconsin police asked them not to. Perhaps
it is because the picture will show Wade Michael Page
with short, spiky black hair with blonde tips, the exact
same description as the missing seventh older adult male Columbine
shooter identified by forty plus people in public court documents,
so Page perfectly fit the profile. Reportedly had close ties
to both the Trench Cote Mafia and the Western Hammerskins.
The trench Coat Mafia often met at Blackjack Pizza, where
both Eric and Dylan worked, and they bought nick weapons,
even experimenting with piot bombs at the at the pizza
restaurant suspiciously in the days leading up to the Seat
Temple shooting. Wade Michael Page had a downstairs neighbor named
Jennifer Dunn. She happened to be a psychiatric nurse. She
described him as hidden away in a small upstairs apartment
in Kuda Hey, Wisconsin, where he became a nervous, creepy,
quiet recluse. She also claimed that his only visitor was
the local pizza delivery man. I still think that's so funny.
Speaker 1: I'll just so like so specific too, his only visitor,
Like why would you say it like that?
Speaker 3: Why would you say it like every now and then he.
Speaker 1: Got pizza delivered, but not like his only visitor, Like
that's not that's not saying he got pizza delivered. That's
saying that the pizza guy was coming.
Speaker 3: To see him exactly, That's what it said. She She
even says that she found Page, as I said said earlier,
sitting in a car staring off into space, and her
daughter even told her the dude is acting strange. What
are the odds? Obviously that Wade Michael Page had an
unrelenting appetite for pizza leading up to the shooting in Wisconsin,
and just so.
Speaker 1: The same way all of the politicians in the US
strange appetite for pizza.
Speaker 3: Mm hm, it's too much, but honestly it is. It's ridiculous.
And also this is leading up directly before the shooting
and also just so happened to be freshly discharged out
of psychological Operations program when showing up in small town
Littleton within minutes of Blackjack, Dylan, Eric and apparently Columbine
as well. And by the way, both Dylan and Eric
were apparently very much into industrial punk rock, you know,
I mean, I played, uh, forget which song nine Inch
Nails song I think is one that specifically one of them?
I forget. It was Eric that went through a lot
of the bands that he loved. And it was so funny.
When I was doing my deep dive on Columbine, I
re downloaded Doom and I was playing Doom and I
was listening to Nine Inch Nails.
Speaker 1: I was mindset me.
Speaker 3: I thought it was hilarious though, like man, Doom was
a great game. But anyway, so that is very interesting
as far as the level of that the TCM was
involved in Satanism, Nazism, romanticizing SS Knights of the Black
Sun and things of that nature. And now here's honestly
probably my favorite part of the connection except for yeah,
I think even more so than the James Holmes tie
in to Wade Michael Page, because it's so fascinating and
ties in the Confessions of a DC madam and in
the basically the Craigspence operation which he was a CIA
you know, asset and operative and he was running a
sexual blackmail operation where they influenced Henry Vinson who was
basically running a male prostitution operation. He was a madam
or basically you know, yeah, but he was a gay man.
He was a closet homosexual. Apparently he was like a mortician.
He wasn't good socially, and so he started hiring male
prostitutes and allegedly at first, you know, not having sexual
engagement with them, but just having them hang out. And
it sounds like a sad story. Honestly when I was
reading through it, I don't know how much of it
is true, but this is a quarter And Nick Bryant
helped him, helped him write. Nick Bryant the author of
The Franklin Scandal, and he helped him obviously co write
the Confessions of a DC madam from his perspective, because
he believed that he was basically set up by Craig
Spence who started to so basically, whenever Henry Vincent began
using male prostitutes, he realized that he was good with finances,
he started helping out some of the prostitutes in the business,
and then they started asking him to essentially run as
a pimp honestly on behalf of their best interests because
they trusted him, and also he was gay as hell
and they were probably all having sex. But at the
same time, he essentially, you know, unintentionally finds himself as
a pimp for these male prostitutes. And so then he
starts getting this client who's calling him meeting with him
as far as like ordering a significant number of prostitutes
on a weekly basis, to the point where it's like
sixty grand every couple of weeks, like it was a
lot of money, right, And so he starts obviously, he
then gets in contact with him, wants to meet physically
in person and really you know, feel him out as
far as Henry Craig Spence is, the client is calling
for this, and so Henry Vinson meets with him, they
have a dinner and then basically he agrees to kind
of help send prostitutes his direction, you know, And it
was like this strange negotiation that they had. And then
Henry Vincent then or Craig Spence. I'm sorry, I get
them both mixed up sometimes, but Craig Spence was the
CIA cut out. They called him the Prince of Darkness.
By the way. He was found worst case suicide you've
ever seen, you know, in a hotel room. After but
Nick Bryant does still say that he believes that he
actually did probably kill himself, but more than likely it
was a choice made because he was essentially given okay,
either you kill yourself or kill you you know, that's
the bottom line, And so that definitely happens. You know,
it's possible that was the case. But at the same time,
he's it's such a strange, you know story, because obviously
you have a cabinet member of George Bussenior who was
using federal funds to apparently have you know, sexual interactions
with and purchased prostitutes from this network and exactly and
the Secret Service from George Bush's administration was providing twenty
four to seven security a day, you know, twenty four
hours a day security to Craig Spence's apartment which was
rigged for audio visual blackmail. And allegedly that's you know,
they called him the Prince of Darkness, obviously, but with
the Secret Service revealing that, you know, Secret Service personnel
served as the private security for US twenty four hours
a day. And then the second time Henry Vincent's called
the Madam, the pemp is called to essentially go over
to Henry Vincent's DC home. He's summoned to the home
and he goes over and meets with Craig Spence, and
Vincent claims to have met none other than Laurence E.
King from the Franklin credit scandal union, Yes, a Franklin
credit union scandal, and he happened to obviously not only
run the federal credit union in Omaha, Nebraska, but Spence
He's sitting on the couch whenever Henry Vincent walks in
to Craig Spence's apartment. And so then you have Spence
being quizzed or Spence quizzing Henry Vincent on about his life,
asking him all these intimate details what seemed to be
heartfelt questions at the time, apparently, and then he stands
up gestures for Henry to follow him, and according to
Henry Vincent Craig, Spence walked toward a large mirror that
was situated on a living room wall, opened a closet
door that was in the corner of his living room.
He popped open a secret panel that was embedded in
the closet, and he stepped into a small room that
was behind the mirror. Henry says, I cautiously paused at
the threshold of the closet, but Spence waved his right hand,
signifying that I should follow him into the surreptitious room.
The mirror on the living room wall was in fact
a two way mirror, and the room had a video
camera on a tripod that was pointed toward the living room,
and also a wall of video monitors. Spence leaned over
one of the video monitors, and after tapping a few
of its buttons, he replayed the concluding minutes of our conversation.
At that moment, I felt shrink wrapped by cellophane, and
I found it difficult to breathe as I signed. As
I silently stared at the monitor, Spence casually smiled and
explained to me that his entire home was bugged for
Clindestine's surveillance, and CIA operatives had installed the concealed video
cameras throughout his house. He couldn't help himself from crowing
that his surveillance equipment was state of the art and
that the camera that captured our conversations was embedded in
the living room's thermostat. Spence then divulged that he blackmailed
the rich and powerful. Henry says, I remained stunned and
speechless as I watched myself discussing my life and escort
service on the video monitor, but after a few minutes
I started to swell with anger. However, I didn't express
my anger to Spence because at that moment I was
undeniably frightened of him, and I'm also not a confrontational person.
Once Spence had flaunted his blackmail equipment, he dispensed a
grave threat about the consequences if I uttered nary a
word relating to his concealed cameras. He then dismissed me.
Although Spence King pressured him to procure underage boys, Vincent
allegedly refused on moral grounds. I don't know if I
believe that. But at that meeting, Spence and King were
apparently high on cocaine, and King revealed that he and
Spence operated an interstate pedophile network that flew children coast
to coast. Boom. What do you do when you when
you when you know about things like this, you know,
it's like it's impossible to even imagine like going to
the polls, you know what I mean, like imagining like
like a world where you engage in the system itself,
you know, and and and obviously we all do forcefully,
you know. I mean, they're stealing our taxpayer dollars to
to finance basically child prostitution, you know, and and child abuse,
you know, And it's it's just insane. But if I
don't go back to column, I.
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, how does that?
Speaker 1: So you brought up that story in the other episode
as well, So like, I'm curious how that connects to Columbine.
Speaker 3: Okay, So here's how it connects, all right, Todd Blogeitt.
Immediately after the Columbine High School pretext false flag operation,
Wade Michael Page with draws and turns up with Cod Blodgett,
a notorious Nazi related CIA operative. So it turns out
it wasn't just happenstance that Wade Michael Page would resurface
around the year two thousand, just after Columbine with allegations
that he had been reporting on his movements to Todd
Blodgett of Resistance Records that I had just mentioned prior
to this as well. Yeah, and nine Percent Records too.
So at the time Todd Blogeitt claims that he was
intimately and confidentially meeting, possibly even funding, Wade Michael Page.
He also happened to be working for the FBI and
factions of the u US intelligence community at the time.
Of course, mister Blodgett said he met mister Page at
various festivals during the time. On several occasions, he said,
mister Page discussed his musical aspirations, asking if Resistance Records
would invest money in his metal band or provide him
with a solo recording contract. This is Todd Blodgett's damage control, right,
He's trying to distance himself, remove himself from this relationship.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, he just wants like he just he
just wonted a record deal.
Speaker 3: Exactly what a good one hundred percent, And Blodgett says that,
and especially why why else would he pick up from
Littleton and instantly go to the hammer Hammerfest to this
white supremacist uh uh, you know music festival. Why when
you already know that nine percent these music labels, these
production labels, will be president at this festival. Yep, that's
kind of it looks like a cutout and false frame
war four stringing along an asset, right and maybe you know,
obviously finding meeting places for them, and also how can
they integrate themselves into these movements more so to have
some sort of influence. And I think that you know.
He continues on with claiming that mister Blodgett said that
mister Pierce, who owned all of resistance records after buying
out Todd Blodgett, had no interest because Wade Michael Page
came off quote as a loser among losers. Mister Page,
he added, was a fairly shy, quiet guy until he
started talking about Jewish people, blacks and Latinos. During But
here's the crazy part. During the Reagan administration, it was
Todd Blogett who happened to be the White House point
man to Henry Vinson and Craig Spence's call boy homosexual
prostitution ring that was under investigation by federal and district
authorities and included among its clients key officials of the
Reagan and Bush administrations and military officers, congressional aids, as
well as American and foreign businessmen with close societal or
social ties to Washington's political elite. And that includes Donald
Gregg that I mentioned earlier, who's using federal funds in
this same network, and also at Craig Spence's apartment. So
Todd Blodgett was Reagan's White House press aid at the time.
He's ultimately linked to hiring a number of gay mail escorts,
including boys as young as thirteen, for White House priority
target clients from Professional Services Incorporated, a well known DC
gay escort service. Private midnight tours of the White House
were arranged for a number of these boys, after which
homosexual origies were alleged to have occurred in offices in
the new Executive Office building across the street. Of course,
Paul Banassi said as much of this, yeah, it makes
me throw up, mm hmm. So Professional Services Incorporated was
run by Washington Republican powerbroker lobbyist Craig Spence, the Prince
of Darkness, who would later admit to working for the
CIA while conducting high level espionage and sexual blackmail operations
within through CIA agent Felix Rodriguez. So this is the
person who seemed to be performing the duties of handler
Todd Blodgett for Wade Michael Page, possibly even funding him
just after the Columbine massacre.
Speaker 1: So then before he went and shot the temple in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: In twenty twelve, Yeah, exactly. So two months prior to
the attack of the at the Seek Temple, Wade Michael
Page suddenly stopped showing up to his job as a
machine operator at Lucas millhelped a welding company. Two days
after he vanishes, a mass shooting was committed by James
Holmes at the Century sixteenth Theater in Oura, Colorado, two
days after he Wade Michael Page vanishes. So, as widely
reported by ABC News, the Page's girlfriend, thirty one year
old Misty Cook, said that around six weeks before the rampage,
he had simply dropped off the face of the earth.
In other words, Wade Michael Page is unaccounted for during
the shooting conducted by James Holmes June twentieth, twenty twelve,
and could very well have been the man identified by
various witnesses claiming a bald man who was dressed in
black helped James carry out the shooting. And also I
think the tear gas could have been lobbed from the
major recession behind the screens or with operatives and assets
already in place. So I don't believe James Holmes. I
think he was in a trance. He's waiting out by
the car like unrespond you know, like he was a Menturian,
you know, he was Sir Hans, Sirhan.
Speaker 1: He's too weird to have done like the whole thing
to add up.
Speaker 3: No, And they tried to give him a truth serum
during the trial. It was so crazy. And puppets with
the with the paper bags. He's playing handpuffet puppets while
they're they're wrapped his hands because they're trying to get
the the evidence from what's it called whenever they're trying
to find trace evidence of of perhaps you fired a
weapon uh in in the recent past or whatever the case. Wait,
maybe I forget the technical term, but the point being
is that they had his hands wrapped for that purpose,
and he's so just in a catatonic state. He is
not normal on the way that you'd be.
Speaker 1: Like, okay, you just committed a mass murder, like you
just committed the shooting, and you're just like not normal.
Speaker 3: He couldn't respond, he was mm hmmm. He was unresponsive.
He didn't understand anything that was happening. And he starts
playing hand puppets with the bags over his hand. Or
did he die No, I know, yeah, he went to
prison for sure, but it's just absolutely him. Yes, hey,
you might as well try. Honestly, I always wanted to
write Uncle Ted because apparently he was very responsive and would.
Speaker 2: Actually get back with you, Terry Nichols.
Speaker 3: Did you really that's awesome? Did he actually.
Speaker 1: To him?
Speaker 3: That would have been cool? Yeah, that would have been insane.
But I think they're very much controlling every last piece
of you know, mail that he ever has received since
I mean, Jesse Trinidou went and visited him and they're like, no, yeah,
we're going to have an operative in the right and
he's like, this is violating you know, this, this man's
rights to speak privately with an attorney and they said no,
we have to have a minder a fixer in the room,
and then they never let him come back ever again
and have visitation with anyone.
Speaker 1: It's like the Supermax prison. I drove past it one
time because it's in it's in Colorado.
Speaker 3: Imagine that, right, Oh, that's the same place James Holmes
is that. Yeah, if I remember, he's like with the
it was where Ted Kay was at for a while,
and I forget the other two. There's a couple others
that are very notable that I'm forgetting now.
Speaker 1: But twenty three hours in their cell. They get one
hour in like the.
Speaker 2: The yard.
Speaker 1: But the yard is just like it's also a cell.
It just doesn't have a roof so that way you
can see the sun.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's a nightmare. Yeah, it's a night Wow.
I think that's where I I mean, it's it's Max.
Uh you know, it's definitely where a high priority figures
are are taken to be held. But there and apparently
where Epstein and Diddy and Sam Bateman Fried and all
these people club fed or whatever is going on over there.
But yeah, anyway, so the James Holmes connection, though, is
fairly strange and the girlfriend Misty Cook after saying that
he dropped off the base of the earth and then
essentially the fact that Wade Michael Page was unaccounted for
in general is definitely concerning, but so The La Times
described Page as a burly, bold man with the goatee.
Witness from Aurora Corbyn Dates, who was sitting in the
second row of the theater, says he saw a bold
man with a goateee before the film started, answered a
cell phone call, then got up and propped open and
emergent exit door. The suspicious man sat in the first
right row and got a phone call. He took his
phone and walked toward the emergency exit and was propping
the door open with his foot. It seems like he
was making gestures trying to find somebody or trying to
have somebody come to his location. It was. It was
also reported by a local news station James Holmes had
been running down the street near his home accompanied by
a stocky individual, again with a goatee. At this time,
Wade Michael Page just so happened to be living on
a street called Holmes Avenue.
Speaker 1: Convenient, so strange, that's all the symbolism like why do
they why do they like why do they do like
the six six egs and like the thirty three and
all these like why do they do all this?
Speaker 3: I think it's it has to be almost For one,
I've always thought like whenever COVID happened, and it was
like thirty three cases, thirty three cases, thirty you know,
there were so many reports where like this was essentially
taking place as well, they have like massive video comps
of that happening, you know, on a ridiculous level, And
I think that for one, it's a way to signify,
like it's essentially a sign that this is a part
of the operation, right, part of you know, we are
assets within the same operation, And it's almost like tipping
the cap, you know, like it's a tell, you know.
But also you know, that's just some surface level attempt
at interpreting why they would potentially do it in that way.
But I also think.
Speaker 1: Retribution or something like that. But then I haven't actually
dug into it, so I don't know if you had.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean there's definitely something to that as well,
Like it's almost like the philosophy of the vampire, where
you have to almost invite them in and in doing so,
it's essentially the the you know, spiritual toll is left
at your door or something you know, in a certain sense.
And I think it's also I think that's obviously inherently
flawed just morally speaking, but I you know, who knows.
I don't know. I'm not the ultimate judge of that,
but I will. I do think that the numerology as
far as the Kabbala right, the Kabbala legitimately has a
system of jamatria right where where they legitimately assign numerical
values to the alphabet right. And I think that you
can legitimately have a coded language and in a system
of code words that you could use by utilizing just
numerical values of that very system itself in the Kabbala
context of jamatria. So I think that at some point
I'll have to do a deeper dive because I've always
thought it's fascinating. But I also think it's a place
you go to kind of lose yourself in a way,
you know, because it's very difficult to like anyone who's
ever become the numbers guy. It's like, you know, it's like, yeah, exactly,
it's something you can't come back from almost But I
do think that it's it has to be acknowledged and
you have to at least be like, well, that's strange,
you know, every single time you see it, because it
seems to mean something, you know, to the individuals who
are utilizing it. But yeah, I always thought, you know,
thirty three is very much satanic and its application obviously
with the even like I was just talking about the
Ninth Gate, the Roman Planski film, where basically, I mean
they're trying to open up the Ninth Gate. Dean Corso
is Johnny Depp's character, and he's he's like this art
appraiser sort of individual who's hired by Boris Balkan, who's
like this very wealthy man who's trying to find the
last three original texts of these grimoires, these satanic grimoires
that would help. When you have all three together, you
can effectively summon Satan, right. And it's so crazy, like
his private art collection is hidden in this vault that
the code is six sixty six to enter. When he
shows the grimoire, it has an inverted pentagram on it,
the whole everything in it. It came out in nineteen
ninety nine. Roman Polanski did this on purpose because it's
actually an inversion or a reversal of sixteen sixty six
when the original Grimwiar was written, and so allegedly this
is to identify and acknowledge the sort of the Age
of Aquarius, the rise of a new era of the
satanic restructuring of society in modern It's very strange, but
it's a part of what's happening. And so not only
is there fertility rituals involved in this, I mean he
goes through the ninth the ninth circles of Dante's Inferno, lust, greed,
all of these various you know, the core you know,
it's just and he essentially becomes the demon in a way.
He becomes the devil by having a sexual ritual with
the whore of Babylon, which actually is Roman Polansky's girlfriend.
And if you have the context of Roman Polansky and
the prophecy that was Rosemary's baby. And then just after that,
Sharon Tate, who I think was a witch in the
processed church or something, was you know, sacrificed in this
fertility death ritual, and there was lapd claimed you have
members who blew the Whistle many times claiming that what
they witnessed in these tapes that were found in the
attic of Roman Polanski's house proved that they had been
you know, just like sadistically he had been allowing, you know,
sex origies and you know, with Sharon and all these
things on tape and like terrible things and and so
I'm not at all surprised, but you know, anyway, it's
just to me, I'm at a point where when you
begin to realize that this is more than it seems,
you know, and and that and honestly, you can follow
legitimate evidence to prove out this, this, you know, being
an unfortunate reality and the position we find ourselves in.
And that's what I try to rely on most because otherwise,
you just, you know, pattern recognition isn't enough, you know,
you have to have something, you know, this, something legitimate
and tangible you can point to, you know what I mean.
And at the very least with the way and i
covered this with William Ramsey yesterday and then I'm already
dead as well on Tuesday. As far as the Ninth Circle,
which is a Satanic sex sacrificing cold that ties back
to the disappearance of this girl known as the Vatican Girl,
Emmanuela or Landi. And apparently the ninth circle is this
that you know, these popes have been initiated into this
group through Satanic child ritual sacrifice since eighteen seventy at
the very least, you know, And this applies to the
nineteen eighty three disappearance of the Vatican Girl. And she
was apparently ritualistically sacrificed on June twenty third of the
summer solstice in nineteen eighty three, which is in a
cold holiday. That is what they practice. They do these
rituals on these very days for a reason, and you know,
harnessing energy, whatever the case may be, It is layered
in the individual ideology they practice. Yeah, but anyway, I'm
sorry back, I'll try and finish the Wade Michael Page
story because it sounds like the only thing we're going
to be able to cover today. I'm so sorry. Well
it's still Columbine though, right, so at least they did that.
Speaker 1: I like how it how you connect it to so
many different things, because it like to me when I
do my episodes, I'm like, this is all of Columbine,
and like I've also done like Monarch, and I've also
done whatever right you have to kind of connect those
things together, whereas like in this conversation, you're actually connecting
all those pieces together for them so they don't have
to connect the pieces.
Speaker 3: Themselves, thank you. And it's really just my yeah, the
my skitzo expertise at this point that I've cultivated yeah
over time. And it's mainly and another reason why I
need to get back into my solo project again, and
because I mainly I dread them sometimes because I know
what it takes at this point, and it's just the
level of intimate knowledge you have to have when you
go down that rabbit hole. Yeah, It's it's overwhelming, you know.
And it's something that it's like, man, you I come
at the end of every one of my solo projects,
I basically cry because of how much it took out
of me, you know, And it's like there's an emotional toll,
right that that affects your spirit and it's something that
I try to like. It's why I love networking and
podcasting and having these conversations because it's like, man, not alone,
thank god, you know. And also it's someone who very
much thinks along the same lines as I do, and
it's it's refreshing, you know, especially when you you just
descend into that darkness, you know.
Speaker 1: And I get like frustrated because I was just on
a podcast on a different podcast and we were talking
about Cantic Hook because it had just come out, and
he's like, I love that you bring all this like attention,
like you're doing such good work bringing attention to these things.
And I kind of got mad because I was like,
I'm not doing enough, like and then I realized like
I kind of like set myself down like a like
an emotional spiral where I was like I'm not doing anything. Yes,
Like I'm screaming into the void like somebody pay attention,
like they're they're killing children, They're like ritually sacrificing children,
they're raping children. But like it sounds crazy right like
but of course, like I mean, you know exactly the
same things, like I know, like this is really happening.
These are real things. And then I get like so
frustrated because I'm like what do we do? Like how
do we stop it? So then I went into this
whole rabbit hole, like how do I get involved to
stop human trafficking, like not even just children, like just
human trafficking in general, Like how do I stop that?
And I can't find an organization or anything like anything
that I can be a part of that's not just like, oh,
give us your money. I don't want to give you
my money because I don't firstly, don't trust you. Second
like I want to actually help, like be more hands on,
because yeah, like I can yell into the void all
day long, but is anybody listening, right?
Speaker 3: And what's so crazy is that so many of those
childcare organizations are literally compromised by those very satanic pedophiles
that are attempting to surround themselves with opportunities and windows
to obtain children, you know. And that's that's the most
disturbing part, is that it's legitimately systematically entrenched. You know.
This is a process that they have just perfected, you know,
and it's something that should rock you to your core,
you know. And and I think whenever you do climb
back out of that darkness and you feel like you
lost a part of yourself, you know, Like honestly, that's
what happened to me whenever I came back.
Speaker 1: It's so like worked up because I don't think it
really matters.
Speaker 3: About me, Like, no, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: All right like these other Sorry, I'm like getting worked
up right now.
Speaker 3: It's okay, I am too. I am too. And I
think that's we should be, you know, like just understanding
the ultimate consequences of this. And I don't mean to
focus on how it affects me, but I think it's
mainly due to the plight of the victims and what
I read that they experienced. And that's why I get
so upset. Why it's like, man, when when I was
reading the detrol X files, you know, I'm getting into
the most disturbing forms of abuse you could ever imagine,
and reading the detailed examples as to how it took place,
and there was a moment where I stopped and because
I just knew what the next sentence would read, and
I stopped because it was so disturbing. I just closed
my eyes and you know, I yelled, yelled the curse word,
and just like tried to breathe, you know, and and
then re engage. But it was just like man to
feel that way, you know, just by reading what one
of these children experienced, it just goes to show the
level of impact, you know, and and how how much
this destroys a person's life forever.
Speaker 1: Care Like they do it and it's like a show,
and like everybody's on social media right now right because
of like Jeffrey Epstein. I don't mean to get on
a soapbox about this, but it's been like weighing on
my heart so heavy recently. Like everyone's like almost like
joking about it, and they're like, oh, you know, like yeah,
like the I just saw like the stand up comedian
and he's like, cool, the illegals aren't like grabbing your kids,
that's the politician's job or whatever. And I'm like, yeah,
it's a joke. Except it's not a joke. The thing
is like this is really happening, and nobody's taking it seriously.
Everyone's like, oh yeah, Epstein, but like they're pointing the
finger and they're Createn's division again, like oh it's the right,
Oh it's the left. Oh it's this. I'm like, it's everybody,
and we need to be more outraged about it.
Speaker 3: Exactly. I agree wholeheartedly. And that's why every time, like
I legitimately tried to cover Columbine to get away from
an episode surrounding, you know, the satanic pedophilia basically, and
then I get into Columbine and I find out there's
a child sex ring involved, and a man by the
name of pedophile Bill, who's you know, distributing pornography, child
pornography and binders filled with pictures of young children and
showing them two other young children who are going to
these schools and hanging out with members of the trench
Coat mafia. And the fact that you have a kid,
a student being discovered with child porn in his backpack
and going on the record claiming it was this individual.
He visited the house with his girlfriend, and this guy
basically continued to reveal to them, you know, these these
photo albums of child pornography and like disturbing, you know,
CP right, and and that he got instantly, him and
his girlfriend basically got very you know, uncomfortable and and
instantly tried to allegedly leave. But this is this is
how the story goes for him. It's so a potential
child sex ring in the local area, obviously in Columbine,
and it connects to El Paso County Sheriff's Office case
file which was dated May seventh and ninety nine, just
a month over, just over a month before the shooting. Actually,
so the case file was also included in the Jefferson
County Sheriff's Office Columbine Report, which is the reason why
I found this. So the information comes from a student
at Mace Ridge High School who got in trouble and
then had child pornography found in his backpack, after which
he talked about knowing members of the Trench Cote Mafia.
Speaker 1: Strange, especially because just for context, Masa Ridge is in
Colorado Springs and it's probably an hour and a half
to two hours away from Columbine, so everyone understands kind of.
Speaker 3: Like where it's at, right, So already it's showing how
widespread the network is, even locally in this area, you
know what I mean. It's like, I just think it's
fascinating how much the Trench Colle Mafia had a footprint.
But geographically they had different names associated to the chapters,
and I didn't understand that until I covered this obviously.
But so, he claims that he actually saw Dylan Klebold
and Eric Harris at a party the weekend before the shooting.
He says that he and a friend named Amber Rubio,
also an associate of the Trench Collte mafia, visited the
home of a man named Pedophile Bill who gave him
the child pornography in the case file. The detective asked Michael,
this name of the student from Mason Ridge High School,
to explain what the trench Coat Mafia was. He stated
that TCM are goths, but not all goths are Trench
colt Mafia. He claims to have some friends who lived
at a goth house in Acacia Park is a or
Acacia I don't know, but located in downtown Colorado Springs,
and that the trench Coat Mafia also believed that they
are vampires, so they are into blood letting. According to
this kid, that to join the Trench Golt Mafia, you
have to cut on either forearm. Your blood is collected
and drank by the other person's present. That's the Hand
of Death Cult man. That's Henry le Lucas. They were
doing these blood rituals and then consuming. They were just
finding students who were visiting in Mexico or whatever, or
near the border in Mexico. They would find a student
group of students and then the Hand of Death Cult
operatives and assets that were being trained at at you know,
with what's what's the name, shit, I can't remember the
name of the Satanist group that was involved with this,
but either way, uh he you know, he claims he
was trained on how to abduct children at this place
and also how to wield a knife and all these
various different, you know, sophisticated methods. And he claims that
these were CIA black sites that provided you know, knowledge
and intel on whenever there would be domestic flights or
even military flights that would go over the area, so
they could strategically cover the area so there would no
be there would not be any overhead uh you know,
evidence of this existing in the first place, which is fascinating, right,
that alone is just like, my god, it shows how
how deeply entrenched this truly is. And and so I
think these parks beware of parks, Okay, just be careful,
That's all I'll say it, because I feel like the
location of some of these parks strategically near these schools.
And then also have some of these uh these homes
right that are are in very strategic locations near the
parks and the schools, which then become almost a tool
and a headquarter for abducting or even influencing children through
a house party or whatever.
Speaker 1: Why would you go to a place who's like or
to a house whose owner's name is pedophile Bill Bill, No,
he's a pedophile.
Speaker 3: Stay, good question. And I wonder why, because I would
have to think there was some mutually exclusive purpose. Like
my understanding was Eric and Dylan, we're experimenting with drugs,
you know, not all only were they you know, obviously
smoking weed, but there was they were allegedly doing meth.
And I think that they said they were doing meth.
And Eric's shed, right, this weird shed at Eric Eric's property,
Eric Harris's father's house. And and so even even the
Columbine student who called into the show, uh not too
long ago, said that, yeah, they the kids at the
school knew that they were doing that apparently in Eric's shed,
and a couple other guys would go there and they
would just do drugs or whatever. And so I was thinking,
and and at some point, if if we don't get
into it today, we'll have to because I had mentioned
the you and I'm sorry to keep inviting myself back
on you tell me, but I will say the sheriff's
deputy from Jefferson County named Tim Walsh that I mentioned
allegedly there was an evidence in evidence there was a
tape for a short period of time that went missing
and I think was destroyed ultimately called the basically it
was called the hold On. I think I have it somewhere. Yeah,
alleged rape of Harris and Cleebold by Jefferson County Sheriff's
deputy Tim Walsh. And this is according to John DeCamp,
and it was called the the Walsh but rape tape
is what it was legitimately like labeled as in evidence,
which is allegedly through John DeCamp, who you know, he's
he's a reliable source enough to you know, legitimately point to.
And so anyway, if that's the case, then the whole
concept of even bringing that up is that wouldn't you imagine,
you know, through methamphetamine, not only is it a mind
control component involved with there's so many different layers of
helping induce the mind control techniques using amphetamine based you know, methods,
things like this, So that's possible, and then also to
get the children or you know, even just Derek or
maybe both of them. I don't know, but get them
hooked on a substance like meth and then have some
strange negotiation where you're a pedophile who's a strange power broker,
who's trying to handle the kid in the first place,
offering him the only place he can attain, you know,
almost basically a legal form of methamphetamine coming through a
sheriff's deputy, and then all of a sudden the transaction
involves anal rape or even not rape, what if it's
actually you know, what's the word consensual? You know, as
far as what if, oh if I get the methamphetamine,
who cares whatever, I'll have sex with this old man,
you know, or this weird deputy who also happens to
be eerily just too many places at once. Every time
Eric Harris is getting in trouble, here's sheriff's deputy Tim Walsh. Why,
you know, same with the fan breaking exactly. And that's
another reason why I don't think that you know that
I think the what was it called the Affidavid I
forget the name of the Garra Affidave, I forget the
name of it now, but the affidavit that essentially should
have been filed correctly and led to a.
Speaker 2: Search wark like Brooks Brown exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so this should have led to a search
warrant for Eric Harris's home, and it would have shown
not only the pipe bombs, but you know, manifest those
many other things that they could have discovered, you know,
and and at least I don't know, potentially stop this
before it happened, you know, but unless you wanted it
to happen, which is a you know, obviously what a
little bit more were eye lean. But at the same time,
if we're talking blood letting ceremonies with members of the
Trench Cote mafia, we have some problems. But it gets
than that because it's not only are they apparently doing
these blood initiation ceremonies, but and I found this fascinating
too because there's an author by the name of Brian
desbro and he I believe victims of mind control are
typically programmed. This is according to him in his book,
victims of mind control are typically programmed to slash their
arms if their front altar personality begins to recover memories
of the programming. This allegedly inhibits further memory recovery. Imagine
if just as and this is apparently applies to the
leadership level of the TCM. They're the ones who practice
the blood letting ceremonies. So I just found it fascinating,
you know that this could legitimately be an application of
MK ultra that they're attempting to reinforce, you know, oh
where they're waking up to their programmings. So they sliced
their arms and it inhibits their ability to recover their memory.
And so the student further states that he was simply
an associate, not a full fledged member of the TCM.
But on the Saturday evening prior to the shooting at Columbine,
they had all gone to a member's house by the
name of Mockt, which was later determined to be thirty
seven Hays Drive. Dylan Cleebold, and Erek Harris had also
attended this party. He described the party as a mafia event.
The detective asked how he had known Harrison Cleebold, and
he said he had met them at the Acacia park
at at Kasia Parker while he was hanging around with
other goths and TCM members. Then on occasion they had
allowed him to stand in front of Eric Harris's car
and had a polaroid taken of him holding the car keys.
Another polaroid was taken with redacted standing with some fe
email acquaintances in front of the same vehicle. But you
know what's really.
Speaker 1: Interesting about what you just said. It disrupts the official
timeline because they were said, or at least Dylan was
said to have been at prom the Saturday night prior,
and then they allegedly went to after prom at the
high school the Saturday night prior, and everything you just
said says they're at this party, some mafia party the
Saturday night park.
Speaker 3: How crazy is that? Yeah, seems like the official narrative
and the timeline is entirely claude or yeah exactly, And
I'm just this feels so strange, just the story in itself,
you know. And the same kid claims that on one
occasion he had been driven down to Acasia Park in
Harris's car, and in Eric's car he had seen a
book on explosives. This this fits too well. It's almost
like an FBI writer room, like figuring out exactly what
to you know.
Speaker 1: He's on a book, so he knows how to build
those pipe bombs, but not just like what a sixteen
year or seventeen eighteen year old.
Speaker 3: Know how exactly, but not just the book, the perfect book.
The book. Everyone would know that this is what it represents,
and guess what it was. It was the anarchist cookbook,
saying in the back of.
Speaker 2: Harris's Guy, of course, and then they can ban the book.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, it's so ridiculous. But then you have the
detective asking him to explain where the goth house was
in Colorado Springs. Michael claimed that it was on a
corner and is a big white house downtown. He was
unable to give a better description of the location, but
one question as to where Market's house was, he related
that he would have to show us versus telling us
due to the fact that he was unsure. He did
state that there was no grass in the front yard
of the residents, and you were able to see a school.
I thought the proximity was interesting, So yeah. The detective
asked him to explain how the trench Coat Mafia was structured.
He says the Colorado chapter. The Colorado Springs chapter is
called Molcavia trench Coat Mafia. They basically hang out, listen
to goth music, and party. The Denver chapter is called
the Gangreel trench Coat Mafia. They are more interested in violence.
In Pueblo there is the Torridor's trench Coat Mafia. He
doesn't have any real Yeah, he apparently doesn't have much
information on that specific chapter, but he claimed that in
Colorado Springs, in that area, there are possibly twenty to
thirty members that have actually been cut as an initiation
into the trench Coat Mafia. So interestingly, Mike though.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of really interesting things. So Nora AD's
in Colorado Springs. You have Fort Carson, which is an
army base. You have Peterson Air Force Base. You have
the the Broadmoor Hotel, which is where George Junior, George
Bush Junior got like that's where he basically went to rehab.
They like locked him in a room at this hotel.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that for months. I didn't even know
about this. That's hilarious. I didn't know about that story. Yeah,
he had to go through rehab and they locked him
in like like Howard Hughes in the hotel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a like a really it's a really
nice fancy hotel. So I locked him in this hotel
for like two or three months. And they got him
off of cocaine apparently.
Speaker 3: Wow, I never knew that story. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of crist.
Speaker 3: I gotta do a breakdown on the Bush family at
some point.
Speaker 1: I want to do it too, because they're connected to
Alister Crowley and just like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so much. But these different chapters are definitely strange.
It feels like just not even realizing that it was
kind of structured in this way, you know, until you know,
if we're to believe this, this witness account obviously, because
I mean that's what we're relying on. But at the
same time, the initiation, the blood letting ceremony, that's what
just obviously beyond the pedophile connection, they caught my eye
instantly clearly.
Speaker 1: But doesn't that so whenn't pedophilia like re established their
programming as well, because isn't that kind of how they
were programmed to begin with?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so continuing that abuse, continues to keep
their personalities separate.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, I think so. It's the part of
the did programming, you know, It's it's definitely how they
reinforce it, and it's try a base mind control you know,
but but so this this student, Oh, oh my god,
this is one of my favorite parts actually because Michael
the student. He continues by relating that the trench Coat
Mafia they read the Book of Nod and the Circle
of Lilith. Now, let's just remember, keep keep in mind
what I just said. Whenever we actually do his probably
won't be this episode, but whenever we actually do cover
how the White Eagle, Underground and the Star Chamber applies
so directly to what I just read Circle of Lilith. Now,
remember who Lilith is.
Speaker 1: I did a whole episode on Lilith, like the potentially
like Adam's first.
Speaker 3: First wife of Adam. Oh my, check this out. So
Juliette Bryant, the Blue Epstein's Blue Butterfly. Yeah, so she
was a victim at ZORL Ranch. She was like a
you know, a young model who was brought in by
Jean lu Bernel and these various individuals who were obviously
molesting and raping these these young women. And Juliette Bryant
she experienced a fascinating you know, just as far as
her trauma and the cycle of abuse during her time
with the Epstein Network. And it's is so disgusting and sad,
but it's fascinating because she she claimed that she was
trafficked and spent time at the Zoril Ranch property, which
is obviously a baby making factory eight thousand square feet basement.
It's so crazy that they called them dungeons. And basically
the way they were structured was like all the neighbors
were aware whenever they were being the tunnel systems were
being built. It's just so terrible to imagine. But so
she woke up paralyzed and naked, Juliette Bryant at Zorol Ranch.
She woke up paralyzed and naked on an operating table
in the middle of the night. She says. All of
the other additional victims that she came into contact with
at Zoril Ranch also were branded with a blue butterfly
on them. Her books called the Blue Butterfly, and Nick
Bryant wrote the forward. She said she believes and she
that this represented Lilith, the first wife of Adam. That's
what she said, And she also says transhumanism and eugenics.
Harvesting the eggs of the victims is allegedly a priority
within in Epstein's theory of eugenics, and this Zoril Ranch
property was not far away at all from the military
based Bulce base. And it turns out that she, along
with many other victims, woke up paralyzed with their eggs
harvested at Epstein's Zoril Ranch, right, and so just to imagine,
but the Lilith connection is obviously what what you know
brought that to the forefront. But now they're reading Circle
of Lilith in the Book of Nod. Now apply that
to when we get into the you know, the internal
investigative memorandum that proves the Star Chamber exists. It's the
leadership echelon of the White Eagle Underground and the brotherhood
of the White Temple. And it turns out there they're
basically they rogue intelligence agents, is what they claim. They're
not rogue. Okay, these people are acting on behalf of
this dark network that legitimately has been established, and the
Star Chamber is so fascinating. We'll get into it, but
I'm just saying that Lilith Akino is directly implicated as being,
you know, a prominent pedophile on you know, along with
her husband, Michael Achino, who's a prolific pedophile in his
own right, and absolutely it is. She was the high
Priestess of the Temple of Set which obviously Mike Lequino
found it just after he had a falling out with
Anton Levy at the you know this at the Church
of Satan, which is just so ridiculous. But anyway, so
this student, he's obviously questioned concerning the photographs that were
found in his backpack of sexually explicit material. He related
that before Christmas in ninety eight, he had been at
Pedophile Bills home. He and a friend, Amber Rubio, had
gone to Pedophile Bills, who lives on redacted Boulevard. They
tend to redact and protect pedophiles for some strange reason.
But at least the prominent figures, Yeah, at least the
prominent figures. I think the solo pedophiles who don't play
ball or aren't intelligent enough to be recruited into the network,
they yeah, they'll fall to the wayside and catch a charge.
But for the most part, if you're a prolific pedophile
involved in it child abuse network, you have protection. Yeah,
you have protection, and I think police protection is always involved.
Mark de Troil case, that's exactly what happened. Same with
the Vatican girl that I just mentioned. Uh, they have
police protection. The John darm officers were helped, which is
basically FBI agents where we're along with local police stub it. Sorry,
my dog's freaking out. Sorry, but along with the local
police officials or just police officers. They were legitimately, uh,
providing police protection on behalf of the Detroit network and
also helping them with the on the ground abductions and
kidnappings of specific priority targets. And so to understand that's
the level. And not only that they were clients at
these these Utrobots and and the Dolo Nightclub, which were
these pedophile nightclubs set up by French freemasons. And it's
just so crazy when you get into it. But this
is never ending. And so with this student legitimately visiting
during Christmas ninety eight, it Pedophile Bills. Apparently the pedophile
Bill had this individual where while they were at Pedophile
Bill's house, he had given the sexually explicit photographs to
this kid, Michael, and he had also showed them a
photo album containing photographs of small children in sexually explicit positions.
Upon observing this photo album. It allegedly made him sick
and he and Amber had left the residence, so when
asked about the content of the photographs, he stated that
they were sexually explicit photographs of small children. Some appeared
to be under the age of ten and some appeared
to be to approximately fourteen years of age. So that
and now we're basically if we want to continue in
a chronological way, we could discuss the sexual abuse allegations
of Eric and Dylan, but we can pull the plug
whenever you want, though, honestly.
Speaker 1: We should stop for now and then we'll continue on
next time when we have you on again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm desperate to do so. Obviously, the additional shooters,
we do need to cover that. But I think the
Plattsburgh mind control I would love to actually detail how
I believe Eric was legitimately set up as a young
child to be a part of this domestic operation unfortunately,
and one day I will show you that video on
the death Education program, I swear.
Speaker 1: My episode, and it'll be good for everybody here. Like
for my episode, I watched a video about death Education
and it was crazy because then like just a couple
of years prior or like in the late eighties, like
eighty nine or something. You had that girl that was
going to kill herself.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Tarah Becker, Yeah, Tara Becker, I remember, yeah,
she's yeah. It's so sad to see what they did
to or ecologically, you know, and just to imagine how
vulnerable even just a high school kid is, you know,
as far as emotionally vulnerable and identity based issues. You know,
it's just like it's the struggle every one of us
have been there. I mean, it's you're you're in a
place where you're very influential, you know, easily influenced, you know,
is what I must say. And so to imagine taking
that and even applying that to as young as five
years old, four and five years old. They're taking them
to morgues and funeral homes and and showing them dead
bodies and having them choose their own casket and write
their own suicide notes and obituary. I mean, that is
another level of psychological conditioning that is legitimately in parallels
perfectly with mk Ultra.
Speaker 1: It's like torture, like torturing the children.
Speaker 3: Traumatic that one of those girls, I remember, she said,
I don't want to die, right, and she's like and
they're forcing me to write my own obituary. And she's like,
I want to live for a long time, but they're
having me write an obituary where I die young. And
she's like trying to reject this because it was disturbing
to her, you know, and like, of course it would
be man, Like, I couldn't imagine being in a school
classroom setting where a teacher is trying to walk you
through a hypnotic state where you can relive past trauma.
Speaker 4: A teacher that's not qualified to walk you through that
your qualifications, Like okay, you are a teacher, fine, you
have that degree, you have no psychological background, and what
you went through like a day's long.
Speaker 3: Like seminar or something, yeah, like room or now.
Speaker 1: You're qualified like continuing education.
Speaker 3: It's so ridiculous, man. And I think I mean, one
of the examples of that exact teacher that I'm remembering,
it was a black teacher and I there was this
black student that was in there with him, and I
was like, dude, get your arm off of her, Like
he was way too close to her. He's walking with
his arm around her through the grass while he's like
having this emotional conversation. He then takes one of the
male students and uses him as a teaching tool. What
he said he would use the death of his other
brother who had died in a tragedy. I think it
was a car accident. So they went down to the
actual cemetery and had the kid whose brother it was
talk about his loss at the actual burial plot with
the rest of the students, and the teacher said he
wanted to use the death of his brother as a
teaching tool for the rest of the class.
Speaker 1: Firstly, he might not want to relive that. Secondly, in
for of all of his peers, high school's already hard enough,
let alone, like, let's dig up your worst memory, let's
think of all your trauma from your entire life, and
we'll put it on display right here in front of everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was, honestly just so like it
was disturbing as hell, and it was it was extraordinary
as an example to point to and and realize that
something was happening at Columbine High School. I know that much.
And it doesn't seem to be in any way a
normal high school setting right as far as I'm concerned.
As much as what is normal in high school.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit different. But yeah, it sounds like
Columbine was going through some crazy things back then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when we get into it, there's talk of witchcraft, voodoo, drugs,
and porn being taught at the school. Within the curriculum,
you have certain teachers. It was allegedly a drama teacher
or maybe it was the shit what I'm trying to
remember now because I think it, UHM, remember the theatrical
program that Dylan was a part of where he was
basically running the sound system and things of that nature.
For I forget what the class was called.
Speaker 1: I think it was like theater or drama.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was something like that, but it had a
different anyway, it doesn't matter all when we discuss it,
I'll actually referred to it in a detailed way. But
the point being is that I definitely read now these
are unsubstantiated rumors, and you know, statements that you can't
have any sort of reliable source attached to. But it
was basically that there were rumors going around that it
was one of the teachers who was close with Dylan
and Eric had actually helped them film the basement tapes.
Outside of school, and was spending a strange amount of
time around them outside of school as well, and so
that they had helped like overexpose them to the occult
and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: And I thought how education teachers was teaching about reincarnation
and about like what it's going to be like when
we come back.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, how crazy is that? Right? And it's
almost glorifying death in a way as well, so to
imagine a lot of the the accelerationist ideology and you know,
the neo pagan application of things as well. It's like
immortality through basically through death on the battlefield in a
way is something to that effects that ancient concept of
if you die, yeah you will find yourself and yeah
in valhalla. But that's basically what it's honestly. We could
just sit here for forever. And I think this conversation
is so important. Though at the same time, so as
much as I derail us and I apologize for that,
I like it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I like the connections, like connecting every
everything to each other, because it is it is important,
and everything really is that connected. But I think it's
easy to be like, oh, that was an event and
then this is a separate event when really they're not separate,
Like it's all being run by the same satanic government
that we keep voting it like we've both men, right,
but they're they're orchestrating the votes, They're orchestrating everything.
Speaker 3: This is a product, it's basically a product and a
result of uh this this ongoing uh you know, agenda
that is essentially being perfectly implemented in this you know,
very deceptive way where it's so difficult for the general
public to even imagine, like just crying back the layers
of the seat in regard to to you know, effectively
facilitating this, you know again their worst interest, which is
this dystopian outcome. So I think, yeah, all of this,
all of these cases and examples that we pointed to,
is just an ultimate consequence and result of that very
well insulated power cabal, you know, just unable to be
held accountable or brought to justice in any real sense
of the words. So we're left shouting from the rooftops
and you know, finding some solace in each other because
that's the best we can do with this moment, Yeah, exactly,
and hopefully provide our families with you know, and ourselves
with at least enough of an opportunity to disengage and
opt out as much as possible, and to live by
our principles on a daily basis, And that in its
own right is a victory of some kind. Just to
try and have happiness and beauty in your life, you know,
and have a positive effect on the people you love,
and we we have to do at least the best
we can in terms of you know, just as far
as that's concerned. So but I appreciate, shate you as always,
and I really enjoyed this conversation for sure.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on, Thank for coming back. I
appreciate it. Until next week, my friends, stay Skeptical and
we will see you all then. Hey friends.
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