WEBVTT 1 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:29.920 I have a little and I made that out of play. 2 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:34.039 When it's trying ready, it's and dreda, I shall pay more. 3 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:38.640 I made that out of play. And when it's trying 4 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:41.759 ready it's been rada, I shall play. It has a 5 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:44.759 lovely body, it's with legs so short and things. 6 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:46.799 When when it is so tired. 7 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:50.039 And drops and then I want a car moreddle trainer 8 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:52.840 and I made her out of place. And when it's 9 00:00:52.880 --> 00:01:11.040 trying ready it's and dreda, I shall pay. Nino is 10 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:12.879 always playful and loves. 11 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:16.200 To dance and spin a happy game of brail complain 12 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:20.879 out it's vegan cradle. Title is commde it up claim 13 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:27.040 And when it's trying ready, I shall play. It's come 14 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:30.799 out of graves. And when it's trying ready than. 15 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:46.920 Rad Hello, Hello, Hello, Welcome to made by Jim Bob. Today, 16 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:51.480 as promised, is a stream about dispensationalism. We're going to 17 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:53.959 go through the history of it, what it is, what 18 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:59.680 it's not, it's effects on policy, it's effects on modern theology, 19 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.920 and so on and so on and so on. We 20 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:07.719 have the privilege of having posh Redneck jump on as 21 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:13.120 well as mister J. Dyer Low volume for me, I'm 22 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:17.719 low volume. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Okay, 23 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:20.599 hold on, here we go. How's that? Is that better? 24 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:21.479 Okay? 25 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:22.560 Stop? 26 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:23.159 Hold on? 27 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:27.919 Is that good? All right? Ah? That should be good? 28 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:31.840 My volume? Is this good? Okay? Good? That's good? All right? 29 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:35.400 So yeah, we'll have Jay dire on. He's coming off 30 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:39.360 a debate to On two. I thought that was a 31 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:40.199 pretty good debate. 32 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:41.960 You know. 33 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:45.599 My position is, I think the best debate in regardless 34 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:51.280 to Islam and Christianity is in fact whether or not 35 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:56.479 they're compatible in the culture wars, because that's how Islam 36 00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:02.319 is tying into uh modern politics. Culture is that the 37 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:04.919 you know, the sneak os are selling, oh we got 38 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:08.560 to unite that, John Zurkas are selling let's unite, let's unite. 39 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:11.240 We got to fight the demons, and we're like, we 40 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:17.560 don't even have the same demonology, brah. So hopefully that 41 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:22.439 comes down the line. So yeah, so uh, posh, I 42 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:24.120 don't know if you're in the chat or setting up 43 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:28.360 your computer or skinning a weasel. Jay will be a 44 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:30.680 little late, and that's fine because we're going to introduce 45 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:37.319 these concepts, start with some of their roots, their origins. 46 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:41.879 Question whether or not there are previous origins that these 47 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:48.800 are tying off of. I don't know. We'll see so, uh, posh, 48 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:52.199 he's probably restarting his computer. His computer probably looks like 49 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.680 an old lawnmower where you have to pull the string. 50 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:02.520 So we'll check out about that. But you know, we 51 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:06.479 can how can how can Islam save us from degeneraal? Yeah, yeah, 52 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:13.800 well it can't, can't. Yeah jump on now, posh. So 53 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:16.120 uh yeah, we'll get into it. I think it's I 54 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:20.879 think dispensationalism is from my view, it's one of the 55 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:30.480 most overlooked problems in the world. That's a big that's 56 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.800 a big statement. I think it's one of the most 57 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:40.040 overlooked paradigms. And it's so influential and everyone's confused. So 58 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:46.360 many people are confused. It affects people who quote call 59 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:52.120 themselves Christians, it affects non Christians view of certain policies, 60 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:58.240 certain uh geopolitics. It's so influential, and yet it's sort 61 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:02.480 of like this floating I don't even know, it's like 62 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:11.000 a floating infection. Boomers especially yeah, Boomers especially, absolutely the 63 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:17.199 boomers love it. I mean I even have like a clip. 64 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:20.240 This is the Boomer response, I mean, this is what 65 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:23.920 it This is basically what it looks like. 66 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:26.920 Clear. 67 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.000 Let me make it clear. Israel is our ally, will 68 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:31.079 always be our ally. 69 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:33.399 They are not guilty. 70 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:36.720 Ofcide and support forever. 71 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:52.480 Even though they commit, even though I will always and Palestinians. 72 00:05:51.040 --> 00:06:03.120 And will it s upon you. 73 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:09.079 I bet you didn't think you were gonna get one 74 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:15.879 of those today, but you did know you were gonna 75 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:16.639 get one of these. 76 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:29.720 Hello, bosh, Hello. 77 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:35.600 Welcome to the show. Long time, no see cheers, cheers 78 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:36.240 your cigarette. 79 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:39.360 There we were already talking with a biz. 80 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:41.279 I need to start already. 81 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:44.439 I'll be talking coffee first. 82 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:48.759 Yeah, yeah, Now I have to make an intro for 83 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:51.759 j because, like, if he keeps coming back to the stream, 84 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:53.480 I'm gonna have to make my own intro. Do you 85 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:55.480 have any ideas if I make an intro for j 86 00:06:56.920 --> 00:06:57.279 hm hmm. 87 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:03.480 Could give it immediate here? I think like banjos and stuff. Yeah, 88 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:07.959 I have one of those giant x x X jugs. 89 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:13.600 Yeah yeah yeah, or just a montage of him sighing 90 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:18.680 and saying like all right, i'mological yeah yeah, there's you're goofy, 91 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:20.399 just hanging up on people. 92 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:21.800 A mute bro. 93 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:27.439 So yeah, we can. We're gonna get started without Jay. 94 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.480 He'll be here shortly. But before we get into it, 95 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:33.839 is there anything you want to say generally about the 96 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:39.439 topic alone, anything you want to say generally speaking about. 97 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:45.720 It about dispensationalism. Yeah, so it is basically a nexus 98 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:53.000 of everything wrong with Protestantism, including as we go through 99 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:59.480 its history early on, the differences between But I heard 100 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:02.319 from a little birdie that poshaps look your duels. 101 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:09.680 Per I told the discord how to provoke you. Unfortunately, 102 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:19.879 so now they know. Okay, go on, dispensationalism isism. 103 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:22.360 That's my best pearl impression. That's pretty good. 104 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:26.839 Actually, the best pearl impression you have is just talk normally, 105 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:28.639 just without the British accent. 106 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:35.919 That stuff on molan you as was established previously. But 107 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:39.000 if I get like ten beers in, then maybe you know, yeah, 108 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.960 we can have cognitive deterioration to that point. Okay, But 109 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:47.240 as I was saying, like, when we get to more specifics, 110 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:53.759 more with specifics like Darby versus Newton about pre trib rapture, 111 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:59.759 you know, and the critique of pre tribulation rapture is 112 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:06.039 no one has ever thought this before. And Macintosh one 113 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:08.799 of the disciples of Derby. You know, it says, well, 114 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:13.120 it doesn't matter that even if never in history, you know, 115 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.039 too or more were gathered than Jesus's name, that is 116 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:19.399 what the word says, you know. So it's always this 117 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:25.960 standalone interpretive schema that you can butcher into whatever the 118 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.480 bloody hell you'd like, and not to mention all the 119 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:38.159 emotional hype or the apocalypticism or the irrationalism, et cetera, 120 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:38.639 et cetera. 121 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:41.279 Yeah, the question I was going to ask you. 122 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:43.480 Or that means Republic of Serbia, are sure? 123 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:43.960 Oh? 124 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:44.519 I gotcha? 125 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:44.799 Good? 126 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:49.240 Represent what's up, Nanna? Yeah, I was going to ask 127 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:52.000 is it just out of the blue one of these 128 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.600 you know, these these views that just get constructed and 129 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:59.200 that it borrows some crappy biblical hermeneutics, or is it 130 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:04.279 something that's downstream from some bigger problems, like a heresy 131 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:07.360 or something. Is there something more foundational underneath it? Or 132 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:10.519 do you think it spawns sort of creatively, like someone 133 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:12.600 you know, changing the blocks around. 134 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:17.159 Well, the great thing that Jay is well will be 135 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:20.279 here is that he gets the documents. 136 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.039 You know, He's got the documents. 137 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:25.840 Yeah, I don't know how to even research that properly 138 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:29.240 with these types of questions. He does, so we'll have 139 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:33.120 to ask him how much. You know, we can see 140 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:35.360 some type of direct influence. But when you asked me, 141 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:40.240 was this like the work the nasally and doubt, I 142 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:45.840 told you, yeah, I told you. Racialism in this sense 143 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:49.159 was very prevalent in the eighteenth and the nineteenth century 144 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:52.559 and in the beginning of the twentieth. You know, the 145 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:57.120 wholely eugenics program in the United States for people who 146 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:02.120 are like Wiganats in America who want to create the 147 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:05.879 category of white people need to understand that for the 148 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:12.399 American founding fathers, the Nordics were swarthy, so the chad 149 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:20.120 Norwegian vikings might as well have been Sudanese, so you know, 150 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:24.440 but it was racial thinking throughout, which is completely foreign 151 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:29.320 to the ancient world. Genetics had only started to prop 152 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:33.879 up as a proper science and not recognizing basic patterns. 153 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:38.919 You know, oh, this person looks like their father, their mother, 154 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:41.799 this one like their grandfather, et cetera. You know, just 155 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.440 basic pattern recognition. There was no ability to even discern 156 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:51.080 properly how it works on a mechanical level. Obviously, you know, 157 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.679 you don't get DNA until the nineteen fifties, so I'm 158 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:58.879 not even talking about that, But that's part of part 159 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:03.919 of the paradigm that's going to influence this reading of 160 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:08.759 Israel as a separate thing from the Church, and Israel 161 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:15.080 as a genetic entity, not as a spiritual religious entity. 162 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:21.639 You know, we hear like ethno religious group. There are 163 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:24.840 ethno religious group in the modern sense, even you know, 164 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:29.679 back then, some you know, Zoroasteralism has certain strains that 165 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:35.559 go that way, the Zds thing that way, the Drews 166 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.120 in who are technically some type of Arabic, but you know, 167 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:43.159 they also have this component of you can't convert into it, 168 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.919 you need to be born into it. And even with Judaism, 169 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:49.759 with all types of different sects, those who say you 170 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:54.639 can't convert, those who say you can convert, and when 171 00:12:54.679 --> 00:13:00.600 you do, somehow ontologically or changed into a Jew. And 172 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:06.840 obviously those who are so liberal that nothing you know matters. 173 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:10.679 But even then those liberals are actually more in line 174 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:16.000 with the biblical understanding of things. But that's what I'm 175 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:19.320 The reason I'm saying all of this is that you 176 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:22.759 don't always need to have a surptitious element. 177 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:31.559 The posh one thing I want to ask you about 178 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:36.519 that is that that noticing the genetic aspect and trying 179 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:40.480 to isolate that as some sort of meaningful category biblically. 180 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:44.000 That makes sense. Wouldn't that make sense that they would 181 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:47.240 then extend that to a location to connect to that 182 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:51.960 genetic identity. But that's not to say that the location 183 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:56.320 is reel doesn't matter biblically, right, That just it's a 184 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:01.120 tying together that that is unnecessary, that that's incorrect. Is 185 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:02.440 that is that fair to say? 186 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:09.679 Well, the thing is, even with the genetic the imputation 187 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:16.919 of modern genetic understanding, your nose grows all of a sudden. 188 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:17.679 You're good with money. 189 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.320 We're trying to keep the stream up. After so people 190 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:21.879 learn about dispensationalism. 191 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.639 Better to have a breakdown before Jay gets Yeah, you know. 192 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:29.679 That's true. So he walks into it's already a disaster. 193 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:30.840 It's not his fault. 194 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:35.279 He thinks we're snubbing him. Meanwhile, we've been nuked off 195 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:41.399 of everything. You have to write him like a handwritten letter. 196 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.799 Yeah, okay. So so there is there's the location distinction 197 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:50.120 and then the church distinction. But the genetic extinction, uh, 198 00:14:55.440 --> 00:15:03.759 like the genetic distinction plays more to the geographic distinction, 199 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:06.320 emerging them as opposed to the biblical it like favors 200 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:07.360 one over the other. 201 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:13.320 Yes, the problem being that Israel, even if you take 202 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:18.600 it like read back into it genetics, you have the 203 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:25.080 promised Land, but it was never really very well concentrated 204 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:28.799 there except for a very short period of time. And 205 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:33.679 even then, you know, very quickly, I mean, let's start 206 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:37.519 from King Saul right as the established kingdom. You know, 207 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.759 we have the judges, obviously, most of them horrible for 208 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:44.919 good reason, you know, for those who want to say, oh, 209 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:47.440 it's a treason to want a king. Yeah, not much 210 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:54.159 better before it, but you know, very quickly get King David, 211 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:59.200 the problems he has, and then the redemption arc. Obviously. 212 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:05.519 Then we get King Solomon, who builds temples to demons 213 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:10.360 for his many wives, you know, as a means of 214 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:18.879 appeasement and diplomatic you know, gestures, let's say, towards surrounding kingdoms. 215 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:24.720 He builds a temple, dedicates it poorly, et cetera. I 216 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:28.759 shouldn't get into details, I'll get lost, but you know, 217 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:34.519 repents later on. That's why he's a saint in the church, 218 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:39.120 you know, that's where we get Ecclesiastes and problems, you know, 219 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:43.759 those great pieces of work are part of the redemption. 220 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:48.120 But then we get very quickly the splitting of the kingdom. 221 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:50.679 We get the Northern Kingdom of Israel and Southern Kingdom 222 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:55.799 of Judah. And I explained this on this channel as well, 223 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:01.519 Like the Northern Kingdom is wiped out. That's a out 224 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:07.640 ten and a half tribes gone, and I mean eliminated 225 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:12.960 by the Assyrians, because that's what the Assyrians do. If 226 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:15.640 you surrender the empty out of the city, you know, 227 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:19.359 spread out the population throughout the empire and then bring 228 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:22.559 people from throughout the empire to the location. If you 229 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:29.559 don't surrender, they make a festival, you know, just just gory, 230 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:37.799 outrageously vile and violent means of execution and humiliation of 231 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:41.640 the population, you know, making banners of their skins and 232 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:45.720 you know, different piles of heads, you know, including for children, 233 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:50.079 you know, and then use that as that's weird. 234 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:55.359 Those are the thoughts I have when I watch whatever podcast, Pasha, 235 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.480 I want to just go back to one something so 236 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.880 we don't lose the audience on the fundamental distinction that 237 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:08.079 dispensationalism itself is sort of the dividing up of chronology 238 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:13.920 of Christianity in time through sections. Correct, Yes, and because 239 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:16.839 of that, you're the attempt is now to point to 240 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:19.960 any given section and say that's complete or near complete, 241 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:22.920 or yet to come. Right. Generally speaking, that's kind of 242 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:23.680 what the gist is. 243 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:29.799 Kind of yes, because it's not over yet. But a 244 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:34.200 dispensation is basically a prevailing paradigm in a particular time 245 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:40.160 that's outside of dispensationalism. The time you'll hear a dispensation 246 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:45.960 is the phrase special dispensation, which is, you know, some 247 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:50.720 type of exemption, some type of granted right due to 248 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:57.599 certain extraneous circumstances. But it's a certain paradigm right prevailing 249 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:00.559 for a time. And with the dispensationalism, and we get 250 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:04.880 all types of divisions. I don't think these are necessary 251 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:08.400 for the purposes of this stream. You know, with ultra dispensationalism, 252 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:15.359 hyper dispensationalism, liberal or progressive dispensationalism, et cetera. You know, 253 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:19.279 they have different different world views. When you get the church, 254 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:24.200 you know, traditionally it's pentecost. Others would go with commersion 255 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:32.880 of Paul et cetera. And they have their arguments. It's unimportant. 256 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:36.279 When Jay gets here, you know, we'll talk about they 257 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:40.960 they believe. One of the reasons they believe that Church 258 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:47.720 and Israel aren't comparable. Or you can't say that the 259 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:50.440 Church is the new Israel is because they believe that 260 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:56.119 the Church, the word itself, starts the New Testament. And 261 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:01.319 that's just not true. Sure, you get a certain type 262 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:05.839 of special use, but that's because now we're starting to 263 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:09.640 write in Greek. But when you read the translations, like 264 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:15.039 the Sebturgent, the word ecclisia is you because the word 265 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.799 church means the gathering place, right or in other words, 266 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:23.480 a congregation. Now this is a proper, proper noun, you know. 267 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:26.400 So it's not like a place where we gather. To 268 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:28.920 explain it to people, I say, okay, we can call 269 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:31.119 this stream, we can call it a congress because we 270 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:33.920 all came together. But that doesn't mean we get to 271 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:38.279 pass laws, either on a state or a federal level 272 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:42.680 in the United States. And no one would think that 273 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:47.200 because it would be on its face ridiculous that, Okay, 274 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:50.599 anytime two people gather, now there are congress and they 275 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:54.160 get to pass laws. No same thing with the church. 276 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:56.960 But you see this type of simplicity. As I said, 277 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.799 that's why it's such a nexus of protest and problems 278 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:05.240 with methodology in particular is that you can't really correct 279 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:08.759 them because they only take corrections of the from the scriptures, 280 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:11.720 which they themselves interpret and call obvious. 281 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:16.000 Darby keenan four nine and thank you he said, didn't 282 00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:19.039 Darby also split the Bible into different sections as well, 283 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:22.359 certain verses books for the Bagels and for the Christians. Yeah, 284 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:24.839 we're going to get into Darby. That's a good actually 285 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:30.200 point here. You can answer that as we bring this up, Posh, 286 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.279 what exactly did Darby do? We'll actually get into it. 287 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:37.319 There's a little short section I'll play in fact for answering. 288 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:39.519 But for those of you who don't know Darby, is 289 00:21:39.799 --> 00:21:42.400 I guess the we could say the origin. That's why 290 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:44.759 I asked, Posh, is there something that he's leaning on 291 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:50.400 that with certain actors or certain proponents he's relying on 292 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:53.960 to make this work. But most people historically just kind 293 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:56.839 of go to Darby as an arbitrary starting point. I 294 00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:57.759 wouldn't call it folly. 295 00:21:58.119 --> 00:22:00.680 You could call it like you can say, a lot 296 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:05.920 of influence from like early Anabaptists. They have that fanaticism, 297 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:09.759 they have that that you know, idea of oh the 298 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:14.160 apocalypse is coming, everything is imminent. You know. Don't ask 299 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:16.839 a woman who rage, a man his salary and a 300 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:26.640 dispensation dispensationalist what imminent means. So it's you can say 301 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:33.000 that there are certain antecedents, but then so much of 302 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:37.880 it is very peculiar to dispensationalism that I can't say 303 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.599 it's some type of direct offspring. It's just that there 304 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:47.160 is a strain of thought in certain Protestant branches that 305 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:49.000 could influence. 306 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:54.839 Yeah, we could say it's just another predictable offshoot of 307 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:58.200 the rejecting church authority and historicity. I mean, I mean, 308 00:22:58.440 --> 00:22:59.680 when it comes down to it, right. 309 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:06.079 About with the winds of contemporary thinking. 310 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:10.200 Sure so yeah, so Darby comes before people make reference 311 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:13.000 of the Schofield Bible and all the truthers with their 312 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:16.599 background music, do all the videos and so on. But 313 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:21.079 it starts with this this guy. It's a good place 314 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:24.279 to start. Hey, Jay Dyer, welcome to the stream man. 315 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:27.200 Hey, sorry, hey, no problem. 316 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:30.839 We're just getting into it. We're introducing Darby. We were 317 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.759 talking about whether or not Darby is leaning on something 318 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:37.759 beforehand that that's more foundational, that gives him even the 319 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:40.359 impulse to do such a thing. I guess we just 320 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:43.359 came down to, Uh, he's just rejecting church authority and 321 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:45.400 this is what it leads to. Right, Is there anything 322 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:46.200 else you want to add? 323 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:49.359 So I'd like to say to Jay, I mentioned there 324 00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:54.200 is Anabaptist influence, you know, and this apocalyptic thinking with 325 00:23:54.599 --> 00:24:00.319 people like Mutska and sorry Munta and what's his name, 326 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:04.680 mathis U and these type of crazy people who go 327 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:07.480 But I don't think there's like a direct line, So 328 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:09.400 correct me if i'm If I'm wrong. 329 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:12.799 Well, I'm I have to let you guys know that 330 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:13.880 I went and dug. 331 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:16.440 Out my folder shoulder. 332 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:21.119 My actual study Bible, nice as my name emblazoned on it. 333 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:27.200 So I'm married to correct all of your uh legalistic 334 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:31.920 errors and heresies. I even wrote the five points of 335 00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:35.400 Calvinism at the beginning in case. I don't know why 336 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:36.559 I thought I would forget them, But. 337 00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:38.519 Well, dude, that's really good handwriting. 338 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:40.720 What happened I did have handwriting in the day. I 339 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:41.519 don't know what happened. 340 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:46.599 It's like, wow, yeah, so is there is there anything 341 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:48.480 you want to add as far as like, can we 342 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:51.480 start with Darby or is there something more fundamental that 343 00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:55.079 he's leaning on that could be more even ancient or 344 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:57.920 back in time that seems to be a bigger problem 345 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:00.119 that we could even mention. Or is he kind of 346 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:01.880 just going like, you know what, I'm just going to 347 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:03.440 kind of invent off the cuff. 348 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:09.000 Well, just to hit on that point of rejecting, you know, 349 00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:11.880 tradition and church authority. One thing that happens is that 350 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:17.759 the early Church, there was a period where there were 351 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:20.839 there were people who were possibly premillennial and some that 352 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:24.240 were definitely pre millennial. So some of the early Church fathers, 353 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:28.519 the debate is that some of them were in the 354 00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:32.359 first and second century. You can debate what what exactly 355 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.039 they meant, even by citing certain passages. But even if 356 00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:38.960 we granted that they were, by the time of the 357 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.359 Second Ecumenical Council, when the when the Creed includes the 358 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:46.240 phrase whose kingdom shall have no end that's intended in 359 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:50.279 the Niceno Constablity Creed to exclude any form of killism 360 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:54.440 or literal millennialism. So by the Second Council this view 361 00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:56.559 was basically so okay, we can't. We can't have this. 362 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:02.880 So you're right than to say that the First Reformation 363 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:06.319 groups that seem to revive this idea of a literal millennium, 364 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:07.279 or the Anabaptists. 365 00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:12.119 Okay, So can you just quickly without making it two dense, 366 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.640 if you could just distinguished from my own chat the 367 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.319 millennialist view or paradigm, the thing that you're referring to, 368 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:22.160 the two of those, so they get a sense of 369 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:23.119 it as we move forward. 370 00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:26.079 So basically, you know, in the latter chapter of the 371 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:31.079 Book of Revelation, there's a compassit about the millennium. When 372 00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:35.079 Christ sits on the throne, he will reign for a 373 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.599 thousand years, and then after the thousand years we have 374 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.279 this period where there's a brief allowing of Satan to 375 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.240 be loosed again, and then you have the final Armageddon, 376 00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.599 and then the final things where you have the resurrection 377 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:52.680 and thereat the Great White Throne judgment. So the pre 378 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:57.680 millennialists believe that Christ returns before he sets up this earthly, 379 00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:02.880 literal thousand year millennium. Most of them believe in Israel 380 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:08.680 with an actual newly built temple, etc. And the reason 381 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:12.000 they think that is that they mistakenly have a hermeneutic 382 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:16.599 that thinks that the promises to the Jews have never 383 00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:20.279 been fulfilled, and so even though the Messiah came and 384 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:22.759 he was rejected by the Jews, the Jews still have 385 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.759 all their Covenant promises waiting for them. And then this 386 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.839 other sort of Plan B was initiated with the Church, 387 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.279 the Gentile Church, and then at the end of the world, 388 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.079 Plan A will be fulfilled in this literal millennium. That's 389 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.400 kind of the dispensationalist model that we're talking about now. 390 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:43.960 Nobody in the early Church was a dispensationalist. Obviously, they 391 00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:46.720 all believed that The ones that believed in a millennium, 392 00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:49.440 the very few that did, they thought is just well, 393 00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:51.359 Christ comes back and then he sets up a thousand 394 00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:53.640 year kingdom. I'm not even aware of them thinking that 395 00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:57.319 there was a literal temple in Jerusalem that would be rebuilt. 396 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.839 The few early Church pre millennials just believe that Christ 397 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:02.839 would come up and set come back and set up 398 00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:06.559 a thousand year earthly kingdom. A rapture, there's no none 399 00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:09.480 of that. So a couple of features that these guys 400 00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:12.640 bring that's new to this discussion, by the way the 401 00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:17.440 other position. As you said, the Church eventually adopted a 402 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:23.160 non literal millennial position. So basically, the Church just said, no, 403 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.880 there's no thousand year rain on earth. It's a symbolic 404 00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:29.720 time frame that the Bible uses a thousand years in 405 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.920 other places as well, for just a long time. Yeah, 406 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:35.720 and it just signifies the period in which the Church 407 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:38.839 is the Kingdom of God on earth and Christ reigning 408 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:44.559 through the Church. So that's it. No rapture before the tribulation. No, 409 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:44.960 none of. 410 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.359 That, gotcha. Okay, So we'll go over this and you 411 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:50.880 guys can stop it. We'll go point by point. If 412 00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:54.160 this guy is messing it up or perverting it, just 413 00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:54.720 let us know. 414 00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:57.599 I also brought my other premillennial books I found so 415 00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:01.519 nice nice in my dictionary pri millennial distensation. 416 00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:06.200 Jay, Was that a study a point in time of 417 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:07.839 your study or you held the view? 418 00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:11.240 No, I was. That's why I had a my Scofield 419 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.759 study Bible. Like when I when I first started reading 420 00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.599 the Bible, when I was like eighteen or nineteen, I 421 00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:19.039 went to I went to the Christian bookstore and this 422 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:21.920 was what I got, my score Field study. 423 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:22.359 We got. 424 00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:24.319 I got to see the script again though we got 425 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:25.440 can you show that again. 426 00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:29.480 What that would mean or was it like by chums 427 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:30.039 that No. 428 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.079 I just kind of like, oh, I want a Bible. 429 00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:36.119 Here's a study Bible. And the thing that that appealed 430 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:38.160 to me was, Oh, this one deals with like end 431 00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:39.400 time stuff and that's cool. 432 00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:42.279 Yeah, that's a very American thing. 433 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:43.359 That it is, isn't it? 434 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:43.640 Yeah? 435 00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:47.119 End times. It's like it's a classic thing to appeal to. 436 00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:49.599 By the way the title, the title is Apocalypse in 437 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:52.640 Space and Time here, so uh, i'd like. 438 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:58.480 I mentioned before we start, apocalyptic does not mean end times, apocalyptic. 439 00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:01.839 Apocalypsis means revelation. That's why it's called the Book of 440 00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:03.480 Revelation the Apocalypses. 441 00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.920 But this book has Darby on the cover if you 442 00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:10.559 notice there, it's got all the characters. 443 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:15.559 He was big on profile shots. Who made the jump 444 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:21.160 then posh to that that etymological problem there between apocalypse. 445 00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:23.640 And I can't tell you because all of these things 446 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.599 are so convoluted that you can't really go. 447 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:28.759 Through Some truther though early truth. 448 00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:32.440 Definitely, definitely, but most of them were like the Anabaptists 449 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:37.720 if you read about them. Yeah, I watched a couple 450 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:41.440 of videos on it in preparation for this. In one 451 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:47.720 comment said, before I thought that Anabaptists were terrorists, but 452 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.240 now I've changed my mind, and now I think they 453 00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:54.720 were Satanists and terrorists. So that's basically what happened. You know, 454 00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:57.359 they would stop running naked through the streets, you know, 455 00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:02.480 starting wars, constantly trying to like light the fuse of 456 00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:06.160 the end times because they were obsessed with this apocalypse. 457 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:10.599 And I personally believe that they because of the content 458 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:14.079 of the Book of Revelation, they started associating the term 459 00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:19.480 apocalyptic with the end times. Now, the Book of Revelation 460 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.920 isn't just about the end Times. It does contain that, 461 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.440 but it's about a lot more like the Seven Churches 462 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.720 that have described you know, they were historical churches with 463 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:34.559 historical problems in the time of the life of Saint John. 464 00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:43.880 So it's it's this type of retroactive reading back into it. 465 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.079 But that again you see it here like if you 466 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.720 want to use an a word for the end times, 467 00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:54.039 use armageddon, you know, but that there's no Book of Armageddon, 468 00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:59.160 so that really ruins it. And again it's it's so fun. 469 00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:03.759 It's like white people like learning about demonology and ancipology. 470 00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.559 It's fun, it's got and. 471 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:12.160 It applies to a very modern take of politics because 472 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:16.640 you can kind of transpose the apocalyptic wrongly use of 473 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:20.480 the word, as you stated, view onto politics. That and 474 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:22.519 then you start to see these people use sort of 475 00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:27.119 a similar accelerationist view where well, let's contrive the end, 476 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:29.799 let's just force the end of the structure, let's take 477 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:33.599 down governments, let's let's get back to the land. Bro 478 00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:38.400 this kind of view, and it's very Yeah, it's parallel, 479 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.200 it's not identical, but it's certainly. 480 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:45.160 Parallel what apocalypse means. It means this overall view of 481 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:49.640 history from like a heavenly perspective. The Book of Daniel 482 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.839 is apocalyptic in a lot of ways. There's also different 483 00:32:54.880 --> 00:33:01.079 types of apocalyptic literature throughout the Old Testament. So that's 484 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:03.720 what it means. That's clear. I'm not just saying it 485 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:06.279 doesn't mean eny times in telling you why, it's translated 486 00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:10.319 as revelation literally means to lift up a veil in gotcha. 487 00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.640 All right, Well, I'm going to play this little bullet 488 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:14.200 point here and we could comment, you could tell me 489 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:14.640 to stop. 490 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:20.200 Whatever this is followed, he says by conscience after the fall, 491 00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.839 but before the flood. From the flood until the call 492 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:29.200 of Abraham what he calls civil government. This is followed 493 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:34.480 by the patriarchal period Genesis chapter twelve through Exodus nineteen, 494 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:38.720 in which the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and so 495 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:43.480 on become the centerpiece of God's redemptive activity. With Moses, 496 00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:47.160 we have a new dispensation called law. It begins with 497 00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:49.920 the Ten Commandments, continues until. 498 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.680 The period of the Church. The Church is called the 499 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:56.359 Age of Grace. We are living in the Church Age. 500 00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:59.559 It will continue to an indeterminate time in the future, 501 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:01.000 which point there. 502 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.160 Will be what was called the Rapture. 503 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.279 The Rapture removes the Church from the world and gives 504 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:08.599 birth to then. 505 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:09.800 Finally, the Kingdom. 506 00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:13.239 The Kingdom is a millennial kingdom in which Christ is 507 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:17.360 ruling in a political sort of way from Jerusalem over 508 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:19.239 the people's of the entire world. 509 00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.519 All right, let's stop there. I just want to look 510 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:23.960 at the picture. I mean, if he was trying to 511 00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:25.880 sell this, that is the worst picture to sell. If 512 00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:27.440 that guy was looking at me like that, trying to 513 00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:30.320 sell this to me, that picture on the right, I'm 514 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.679 out of here. Yeah, he's giving us what do the 515 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:39.400 kids call, Yeah, yeah, a little pizzazz. He's like, honey, 516 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:42.559 you have no idea what you're in for. Is there 517 00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:44.960 anything you want to comment on here? Because this seems 518 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:46.559 to be what we're saying is that, you know, you 519 00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:50.800 divide into these sections, and then obviously each section you're 520 00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.440 going to look into some you're going to assign some 521 00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:57.639 perverse interpretation anyway. So the question I have is from 522 00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:01.800 an orthodox view, let's say, are things divided at all 523 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:05.639 similarly and and they're just missing misreading or you just 524 00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:06.679 don't do this at all? 525 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:15.559 We don't do this. I'm sure you can say how 526 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:21.840 Satan tricks Adam and do you It's not that he, 527 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:26.960 you know, somehow tricked them into greed or whatever. They 528 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:32.159 were still very new, so he uses this innocence againse 529 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.440 I guess you could call it that. That's something. Yeah. 530 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.000 Well, well the reason I ask is because we're doing 531 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.079 a critique from a specific view, and you know a 532 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:44.000 lot of people watching me a percent always say, well, 533 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.360 you guys do that, or they do this. I just 534 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:47.840 want to cover that in advance. 535 00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.760 Yeah, I'd like to touch on that because back when 536 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.079 I was a dispensation. So the thing that got me 537 00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:56.760 out of it was beginning to look at the way 538 00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.280 that the New Testament treated the Old and then I 539 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.920 got into a covenant theology, which I think is way 540 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:04.840 more biblical. And this is the idea that God relates 541 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.880 to mankind historically through a series of covenants. And it's 542 00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:13.280 odd that, I mean, why wouldn't the dispensed sessions want 543 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.599 to use the thing that the Bible itself says is 544 00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:19.440 how we relate to God, which is a covenant relationship. 545 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:24.360 And in those covenant relationships the way there's kind of 546 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.880 a similar pattern or structure to all biblical covenants. A 547 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.519 lot of theologians have noted this over the years, whether 548 00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:37.519 Protestant or non Protestant, but so basically, well so to 549 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.400 the comment, it's not exactly covenant theology, because what they're 550 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.559 doing is they're saying that in these dispensations, the way 551 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:46.039 that you're saved and the way that you have a 552 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.800 relationship with God changes, it's different, and that's not covenant. 553 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:53.480 The Covenant theology says there's a unified pattern to these covenants. 554 00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:58.000 They're all essentially one covenant. Dispensationalists do not believe that 555 00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.719 it's all one covenant back. Many of them are dual 556 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:03.360 covenant believers. They believe that there's a covenant for the 557 00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:07.920 Jews and this other covenant thing for Gentiles, which is 558 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.320 totally different from all these previous covenants in the past 559 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:15.159 with Noah or whoever. So it's a really yanky, like 560 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.960 whack type of anti covenant theology. It's a very opposite 561 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:24.480 of what orthodox or even most Protestants would believe about 562 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:25.639 the Old Testament Covenant. 563 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:30.519 Yeah, so there is there are similarities with viewing it, 564 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.199 you know, with the covenantal theology. But they they loathed 565 00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:41.320 each other, Covenentalists and dispensationalists. As I said, like in 566 00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:44.840 the beginning, a dispensation is a prevailing type of order 567 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:51.440 or rules or whatever. It's almost like imposed. But there's 568 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:56.239 also no interaction, right, there's just things are playing out, 569 00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:02.559 which again plays into different types of Protestant strains of thought. 570 00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:06.599 Protestants not big on free will and stuff is going 571 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:10.360 to play into it. So but but you can't say 572 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:14.360 it's like covenant theology as far as back to our 573 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:22.480 timeline has described here, they basically just pick us, you know, 574 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:26.840 an event that's important and then say, oh, this is 575 00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:30.760 like a carve out, this is a specific dispensation. 576 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:35.639 So nine eleven could very well be if darbyted today, right. 577 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:42.119 Yeah, yeah, the moon. Okay, that might be more joking, 578 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:46.320 but nine to eleven would definitely be one. But as 579 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:52.159 far as these types of events, the problem isn't that 580 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.320 you can't you know, just set about Okay, let's view 581 00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.800 this period here in this manner. The problem is that 582 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:01.679 you carve it out. As they said, it sort of 583 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:06.480 becomes like self subsistent, like it has a saiety. And 584 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.280 the problem with that is, like throughout history, I know, 585 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.199 how do we do we define the Middle Ages? And 586 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:17.239 usually we would say, you know, from the fall of 587 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:21.320 the Western Roman Empire, you know, to either the fall 588 00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:26.960 of Constantinople or the discovery of America. You know, that's 589 00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.840 the general timeline. But that does not mean that all 590 00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:33.400 of a sudden, you know, like in strategy games, you know, 591 00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:38.000 like advanced period and all soldiers turn from like Roman 592 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.360 engineers to like knights and something. You know, things don't 593 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.360 change that sharply. But in dispensationalism, you do have these 594 00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:51.480 sharp edges and they view it as separate things. And 595 00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:53.599 as Jay said, convenentalists do not. 596 00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:56.800 Yeah, it's also it's very romantic looking. It's like if 597 00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.599 you were to remove the Genesis and all these biblical 598 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.920 references and just kept these bullet points, I wouldn't know 599 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.000 if you're looking at the chapters of a comic book 600 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.280 or a romance novel or something like it could be. 601 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:09.800 It's almost like that. That's the impulse, is to sort 602 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:14.079 of categorize it in this way that's more reduced, so 603 00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:18.280 that people sort of experience it like they're in this storyline, 604 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:21.880 like what chapter are we in? Right from that view, 605 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:25.239 and that seems to be kind of a problem in 606 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:28.039 itself to assume that you have the knowledge of what 607 00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:34.079 chapter you're in, right, Jay, your mute bro on, mute. 608 00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:39.840 Bro Every covenant that God makes with man, and by 609 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:41.960 the way, you'll notice to the structure of covenants is 610 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:43.760 that they begin with Adam, and then it moves to 611 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:45.960 a family with Noah, and then it moves to a 612 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:48.400 tribe with Abraham, and then it moves to the nation 613 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:51.920 with Moses. Then it moves to the kingly covenant with David, 614 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.480 and then we have the final covenant with the Messiah. 615 00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:57.960 So there's a logical structure to the movement of the covenants. 616 00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:03.159 There's no logical structure to this arbitrary adhocs system. And furthermore, 617 00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:07.840 each covenant in the scriptures, even the for example, a 618 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:11.679 Braemt covenant, it includes stipulations, so you'll have these sort 619 00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:15.920 of statements of the vassal to the covenant people. The 620 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.440 stipulations are given, and there's also promises. So every covenant 621 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:25.599 includes promises, grace and stipulations or laws. Even with Moses, 622 00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:29.519 even with Abraham. If you look in twenty two, God 623 00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.400 makes the stipulation that you have to obey his statues, 624 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:35.440 his decrees, his commands. So they'll often try to say 625 00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:40.000 there's no law or stipulations in the Braemic Covenant. But 626 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:42.239 in Genesis twenty two, when God repeats that there is 627 00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:46.480 law and stipulation, there's law and stipulation in the covenant 628 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:52.239 with Adam, keep be faithful, you know, don't eat that tree, 629 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:54.800 et cetera. When Adam sin, he broke essentially all the 630 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:58.880 ten commandments, and so they fundamentally misunderstand that there's always grace, 631 00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:03.519 there's always stipulation. Even the Mosaic Covenant includes grace too, 632 00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:06.800 So that's that right, there as a total destruction of 633 00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:10.280 the whole presupposition of covering dissations. 634 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:13.000 That's interesting because I mean, it's not exactly the same, 635 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.960 but it did remind me of like an Orthodox view 636 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:18.800 of being saved, having been saved, saved, and will be 637 00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:22.599 saved versus I got my trans stamp save. Seems it's 638 00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:25.199 like a similar error, but just not as a big magnitude, 639 00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:28.280 I guess, or how they're doing it here. You're saying 640 00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.519 a lot of these titles or things would exist in 641 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:35.159 all of these chapters in some way, so to divide them, 642 00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:39.199 and I assume they they're non existent previously as silly, 643 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:41.639 So I don't know how. My question is, how did 644 00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.039 you get away with this? Is it because it was 645 00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.960 just an absence of church authority in Western modern culture 646 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:51.599 of this time modern relatively modern, that they just didn't 647 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:52.480 get catch it. 648 00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:56.800 I would say there's kind of a long tradition already 649 00:42:56.920 --> 00:43:02.000 in the West, especially in England, of assumptions. So you know, 650 00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:04.239 from the time of Henry the eighth and the Anglican 651 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.840 Church in the UK, you've already kind of got a 652 00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:12.239 few generations, a few centuries of these Protestant assumptions and 653 00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.039 so these people are kind of like, oh, you know, 654 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:18.039 look what we've discovered, and they're basing it on the 655 00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.760 fact that you know, you already had probably I think 656 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.760 a few Anglican ministers who were pretty famous prior to 657 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:25.800 this who were premillennialists. So I think there was a 658 00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:31.320 few popular Anglican theologians before Darby and these guys who 659 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:33.519 were premillennial, So they were probably working with some of 660 00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:37.079 that and saying, well, he's premillennial, but he's not consistent 661 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.239 enough because he's not understanding that, you know, God's got 662 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:42.760 these different plans. And then I think there's also a 663 00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.159 geopolitical motive, which we'll get through here in a moment. 664 00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:45.440 Yeah. 665 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:48.199 Yeah, at the time, right, I'd like to say that 666 00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:52.360 the with among the reformers, you had people who had 667 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:57.960 outright hostility towards mosaic law because they separated so much 668 00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.800 from you know, we are saved by grace and back 669 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:02.559 then he was saved by works. 670 00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:08.599 Again, basic illiteracy in terms of understanding scripture. But I 671 00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:14.840 believe Luther said that he would punch yeah because he 672 00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:18.000 put he demanded so much works. I don't know how 673 00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:23.039 that works with solar scripture, you know, like Moses felt 674 00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:24.480 like putting all of these. 675 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:26.280 Well, I read a lot of Luther. I had a 676 00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:28.000 Luther phase. I read a lot of Luther. And what 677 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:31.079 he says is that, well, what counts as scripture is 678 00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:34.199 what preaches the word of God. What preaches the word 679 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.480 of God is what preaches the Gospel of grace. So 680 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.000 essentially whatever Luther thinks. 681 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.280 So he wanted to punch. He wanted to punch Moses 682 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.320 for abiding by works. 683 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:45.800 Like demanding it. 684 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:48.360 Oh, demanding. That's funny because that would be a work, 685 00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:50.519 that would be like a work to punch him like 686 00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.000 that would be a good deed in action from. 687 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.760 His But even if he didn't see it as a 688 00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.360 good deed, he would have to punch God in the thing. Yeah, 689 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:02.800 you know, like we make fun of people who are 690 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.119 like we have no pictures and all that this or that, 691 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.960 that's all idolatry, you know. Okay, And I tell them, okay, 692 00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:12.280 go back to when they were building you know, the 693 00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:17.079 tabernacle and the arc or later on the temple, you know, 694 00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:20.519 and go tell Moses he's an idolator, and he'll tell you, 695 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:22.719 but God told me to do this. Well, then God 696 00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:26.960 is an idolator. Because God doesn't preach iconoclasm or something 697 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:32.960 like that. But it's it's these things are read retroactively 698 00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:40.000 into the Bible. It's it's the definition of Jesus, which they, 699 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:43.840 you know, constantly complain about everyone else is doing. And 700 00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:49.119 the dispensation is, specifically, are so obsessed with saying that 701 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:54.760 any different reading of the Bible requires like a film 702 00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:58.480 to be put over the Bible, like some interpretive schema 703 00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:03.599 has to be opposed. This is the clear teaching of scriptures. 704 00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:08.119 And as Jayson mentioned, the word of God, and I 705 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:12.679 keep arguing with Protestants on Twitter, the Word of God 706 00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:17.320 in the scriptures never refers to the scriptures. It always 707 00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:21.239 means the second person of the God, the Word of God, Jesus, 708 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:25.079 and especially I'm too illustrated. I mentioned the beginning of 709 00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:27.039 the Book of Jeremiah. It says, the Word of God 710 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:31.760 places his finger on my lips. It's not unless it's 711 00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:36.239 some type of origami of like papyrus with words written 712 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.480 on it in Hebrew. You know, no, it's a person. 713 00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:44.840 It's a guy. It's a guy. When it's with Abraham 714 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:49.639 and he recognizes him physically with the two angels, you know, 715 00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:54.559 it's not this ethereal disembodied voice. So they also views 716 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:58.760 the term word of God, and then to this day 717 00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:02.440 Protestant stills still say what of God means the Bible? 718 00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:05.800 You know, and it interpreted like, you know, faith comes 719 00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:08.000 from hearing and hearing from the Word of God. They 720 00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:11.519 interpret that as you know, scripture readings or something. 721 00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:16.239 Yeah, yeah, keep going a couple of seconds. I'm going 722 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:19.760 to bring up a meme that really embodies this problem 723 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:20.400 real quick. 724 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.800 Okay, no problem. Personally, I could do something I can. 725 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.559 I would disagree a little bit there. I'm not trying 726 00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:29.639 to cause the dissension or anything like that. But I 727 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.000 think like if you read Psalm one nineteen, which is 728 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:34.800 the Master, right, I think it's one eighteen, there's a 729 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.519 lot of references in there to the law, and it's 730 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.559 identified also as word. I think there it is talking 731 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:43.159 about the written text. So I don't see necessarily a 732 00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.079 problem with at times identifying the written text as the 733 00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:49.960 Word of God in a limited sense, because, as Maximus says, 734 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.320 the content of the Word of God or excuman it's 735 00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:55.639 content of the scriptures is the same as the content 736 00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:57.960 of anything else about divine revelation, which is just the 737 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.199 low gie. So if you understand that it's not a 738 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:04.400 Bible that is, technically speaking, the living person of the Word, 739 00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.199 but in a limited sense you could call it the 740 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:09.159 law of God or the Word of God, as that 741 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:14.000 Psalm does. It's just referring to the message or the content, 742 00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:17.360 which is ultimately Christ. And that's relevant for dispensationalism because 743 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:21.159 there's another key hermeneutical mistake that they make, which is 744 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:25.480 the dispensationalists think that the Old Testament is not primarily 745 00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:29.639 about Christ. This is huge because all those promises that 746 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:33.400 they see in Genesis to Abraham, to the seed, to 747 00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:35.519 the nation, that He will make them as the sand 748 00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.760 of the sea the stars of heaven, they see that 749 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:41.199 it still promises to literal flesh Israel. And so if 750 00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:44.440 you don't have a crystological hermeneutic of the Old Testament, 751 00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.760 you're going to fall into dispensationalism because they don't believe 752 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:50.519 that the Gospel was taught in the Old Testament. That's 753 00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:53.360 why we say, as Paul says in Galatians three and four, 754 00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:58.880 Romans four, and Hebrews four, that the Gospel was preached 755 00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.519 to Abraham and the Jews in the wilderness. No dispensationalists 756 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:04.719 can say that or believes that. So it's crucial that 757 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:09.679 they have this rigid, what's called only grammatical historical interpretation 758 00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:13.760 of the Old Testament, no emphasis on Christology. They'll admit 759 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:17.239 a few Messianic prophecies like Psalm twenty two or whatever, 760 00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:20.719 but they will not admit that there is a presentation 761 00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:23.639 of the Gospel in the Old Testament. They would be 762 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:26.440 really confused. I think about Theophanes or the idea that 763 00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:28.119 the Trinity is in the Old Testament. All of this 764 00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:31.559 would confuse them. So they had this unitarian idea of 765 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:35.199 the Old Testament, which is what many other people have. Yeah. 766 00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:39.519 Interestallations three twenty nine specifically says those who belong to 767 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:43.239 Christ are the seeds of Abraham and as to the promise, 768 00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:47.679 and that goes with what we were saying before. You 769 00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:57.239 jam that all of this genetical, genetic, racial ethnic view. Yeah, 770 00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:02.679 that is very prevalent in dispensationalism and basically unnecessary prerequisite 771 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:07.840 for the Zionist aspects of it are a product of 772 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:11.519 modern understanding of ethnicity and genetics. 773 00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:17.360 And just that phrase, the Gospel was preached to Abraham 774 00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:20.519 from Galatians three and the Gospel was preached to the 775 00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:23.960 Jews and the wilderness Hebrews four. Just that phrame. No 776 00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:27.639 dispensationalist could ever Wait, No, there's no Gospel preach during 777 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:29.000 the era of Promise or law. 778 00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:32.320 Yeah, because it wouldn't make any sense. 779 00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:35.280 Yeah, I wanted to show this meme because obviously from 780 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:37.679 this person's view who posted this, they could swap out 781 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.800 Catholic with Orthodoxy here. But it's got the Bible looking 782 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.480 at the boyfriend who's checking out church history. Well, this 783 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:47.400 is so stupid, it's actually a cell phone. Because the 784 00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:49.840 Catholics would be people and men, and the Church history 785 00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:53.199 would be men, and that would require mind and interpretation 786 00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:56.920 and views. The Bible is presented as a as a person, 787 00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:59.800 as a being, as a mind, as some sort of entity. 788 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:03.239 And that's ironically they posted this, and they don't understand 789 00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:05.920 the problem here that from their view, that is the 790 00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.360 problem that the Bible isn't a being. There is no 791 00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:12.639 personhood of the Bible as an object with words in it, 792 00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.760 and they do fundamentally kind of turn the Bible into 793 00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:18.320 the fourth person in a weird perverted way. 794 00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:28.480 Throw back to yesterday's debate. Yeah, I make the same 795 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:32.440 claim you know, critique about when they say faith saves, 796 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:36.119 they're almost like treated like an entity. Right. Yeah, there's 797 00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:41.119 like furies in like Roman mythology. You know, there are 798 00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:45.920 these spirits called furies, that female spirits, and they go 799 00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:49.159 and possess people who do something wrong, you know, and 800 00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:53.920 then you become furious. Right, And apparently they see faith 801 00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:56.639 as that. You know, you get this spirit called faith 802 00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.079 and then it acts in your stead. 803 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:00.880 Positive. 804 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:08.920 Sure it's not furries, there are no female it's all degenerate, 805 00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:10.559 all right. 806 00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:12.000 I want to move I want to move along here 807 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.519 because I do want to get especially to the cultural 808 00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:17.840 aspect that Jay was pointing to that we're going to 809 00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.639 get to, because it's that's really I think is really 810 00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:24.239 the impactful part of this. Like obviously the education of 811 00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:27.599 this is important, but how it how it impacts modern 812 00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:32.360 policy geopolitics, which Jay is uh specialized in. I really 813 00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:33.960 want to get into that. So I want to move 814 00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:37.159 through this little overview get a grasp of it. I 815 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:39.000 want we don't have to go too far in if 816 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.719 you guys think there's something we should cover before we 817 00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:44.800 get into the geopolitical Uh, Jay. 818 00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:48.039 Will we be transitioning totally out of the theology stuff. 819 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.559 No, if you want to cover theology but also cover 820 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.519 it as we go into geopolitics, I think it's still 821 00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:59.360 relevant because a lot of these, like evangelicals, I guess, 822 00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:02.800 or maybe others, you want to include all of their 823 00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:05.239 patterns and their and their voicing of what we should 824 00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:09.280 do in politics and Israel and all these stances are really, 825 00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:12.719 wouldn't you say, largely informed by this broken theology, whether 826 00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:13.159 they even know. 827 00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.079 Yeah, this is this is completely dominated you know, the 828 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:20.400 American evangelical mindset, which is actually now spilled over into 829 00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.800 Protestant I mean a Catholic and even sometimes Orthodox mindsets. 830 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:28.880 They get this. They get tainted with this idea that somehow, 831 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:32.000 this a lot of this gibberish theology is somehow correct 832 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.960 and well, we still got to you know, honor, you 833 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:38.000 know this stuff happening in the Middle East or whatever. 834 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.079 I don't want to add real quick. In Genesis seventeen, 835 00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:43.280 for example, this is another way to easily just refute 836 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:46.039 this stuff. When Abraham was ninety nine years old, the 837 00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:48.639 Lord appere Abraham and said, I am God Almighty, what 838 00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:51.960 before me? And bleep be blameless? And I will make 839 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:56.239 my covenant with you. So there's a promise, but there's 840 00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.880 the stipulation walk before me and be blameless. So even 841 00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:02.400 the Brahmic covenant is not a covenant where there are 842 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:06.639 no stipulations. Right. And then you know at the end 843 00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.039 of Gala. Another thing that easily refuses this is at 844 00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:14.639 the very end of Galatians, Paul calls the Church the 845 00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:20.039 Israel of God in Galatians six sixteen. No dismensationists could 846 00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.400 understand the Church to be the Israel of God. Right, 847 00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:26.719 So again you know Jesus and the Parables, when he 848 00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:28.639 says that the King of God will be taken from 849 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:31.480 you and given to a nation producing the pusure of 850 00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:34.800 their nation stands for the gentile nations. So it doesn't 851 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:36.639 mean that you can't be saved, but it means that 852 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:39.679 the national covenant with Israel is no longer going to 853 00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:42.360 be mainly about Israel. It's going to be opened up 854 00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:44.280 to the Gentiles. And if a Jew want part of 855 00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:45.639 the covenant, they have to become a Christian. 856 00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:51.119 That's it. Paul says that those who you know all 857 00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:55.400 the faith of Christ, they are seed of Isaac and 858 00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:59.280 the physical I don't think who's at Israel or the 859 00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:05.119 flesh would be like Ismaelites because and for those of 860 00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.800 you who need reminding, you know, we have Ishmael, sorry 861 00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:13.960 and mixing up my language. Is Ishmael, who is the 862 00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:21.199 son of Abraham through Hagar, his servant woman. And God says, no, no, no, 863 00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:23.480 you have to it has to be with Sarah. You know. 864 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:27.280 That's why he's called Isaac, which means laughter, because she 865 00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.800 laughed when God said that they will have a child 866 00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:37.119 in their very very advanced age. And you know, even 867 00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:40.519 though there is a blessing that is still given to 868 00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:46.400 Hagar and Ishmael, and that's not Islam. By the way, 869 00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:50.480 there are people who claim that they would say, you know, 870 00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.440 that's how they would connect a lot of things or 871 00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:56.280 attempt to connect it to the Bible, right, But Saint 872 00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:59.840 Paul himself very distinctly says that no, no, no, no, no. 873 00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:06.559 The Israel is the people of Christ, not some genetic thing. 874 00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:09.039 And as Christ themselves says, God can make children of 875 00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:12.960 Abraham other stones. He doesn't need any of this. That's 876 00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:17.039 a message throughout the Bible. You can't really bribe God, 877 00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:19.559 so you know, good luck. 878 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:24.599 Yeah, and again you like that text. The Kingdom of 879 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:26.639 God will be taken from you. In Matthew twenty one. 880 00:56:26.679 --> 00:56:29.880 That whole parable thank you is about the fact that 881 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:34.079 the Jews had failed at what was essentially their covenant mission, 882 00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.360 which was to produce the Messiah and then share him 883 00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:39.920 with the world. They failed because they intended to kill him, 884 00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:43.920 but ultimately divine providence, and also by the prophecies which 885 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.199 the Jews and even the apostles of the first century 886 00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:51.079 had misunderstood until Christ reveals it to them after the resurrection. 887 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:55.639 In Luke twenty four, they were they lost those promises 888 00:56:55.679 --> 00:57:01.559 and were divorced. This fulfills the promises in Hose, the prophecies, 889 00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:04.199 and other places in Jeremiah where it's talking about God 890 00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.039 giving Israel a writ of divorce, a bill of divorce. 891 00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:11.000 Because of the culmination of their sins Matthew twenty three, 892 00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:15.960 Jesus says all of the things written in the prophets, 893 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:19.400 the vengeance of all of those periods will come upon 894 00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:22.519 this generation talking about his day in Matthew twenty three, 895 00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:25.760 because of their crucifixion of the Messiah. That's the culmination 896 00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:28.079 of their sins. We have this passage, for example, in 897 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:32.039 Genesis where God says they fill up the measure of 898 00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:36.719 their sins. Talking in that passage about the Egyptians, here 899 00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.119 we're saying, basically saying that when the Jews fill the 900 00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:42.000 measure of their sins in the death of Christ, then 901 00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:45.119 the Covenant will be opened, the bill of divorce given 902 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:48.079 to national Israel and the marriage to the bride the Lamb. 903 00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:52.719 So God finds a bride which is not the adulterous Israel, 904 00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:55.320 it is the Church. The Church is his bride. 905 00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:57.360 Also, the casting of the fig tree? 906 00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:02.559 Is this so many exactly Some of those parables only 907 00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:04.920 makes sense in this in this context. 908 00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:05.719 And the last thing I'll. 909 00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:12.519 Say is that, uh, the teaching of Athenacious Cyril of Alexandria. 910 00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:16.159 John Christism very clearly in his in his homilies on 911 00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:23.039 Matthew twenty four other even origin, the tendency is to 912 00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:27.440 be partial preadterist. What what what's funny? A second? 913 00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:32.760 No, No, I'm laughing because, you know, thinking of prosionist 914 00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:36.760 ideas in Saint John Chris system, you know, doesn't. 915 00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.199 He's not very amenable to those ideas. 916 00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:43.039 Oh yeah, we shall quote him on these. Yeah. 917 00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:49.199 Anyway, So partial preadism is the idea that a lot 918 00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:50.960 of what's happening in the Book of Revelation in Matthew 919 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:55.199 twenty four and twenty one is the seventy eighty destruction 920 00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:58.519 of the Temple. It doesn't mean everything is. That's called 921 00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:01.960 fool preadtism. That's a Harris that they believe that even 922 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:04.880 the Bali Resurrection has happened, which is stupid, but I 923 00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:06.519 didn't want to mention really quick. There are some great 924 00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:08.400 books on this that have been around for a long time. 925 00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:12.199 Kenneth Gentry has his thd dissertation called Bifore Jerusalem Fell, 926 00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:14.440 which is a really good book. All of these, by 927 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:19.320 the way, refute dispensationalism. David Chilton has a classic commentary. 928 00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:21.599 He was almost going to become Orthodox before he died. 929 00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:24.239 He's on his way and it's called Days of Vengeance. 930 00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:27.079 It's a chapter by chapter commentary on the Book of Revelation. 931 00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:31.480 It's really good. It's been now superseded because people in 932 00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:33.280 his circles, like I don't know if you guys know 933 00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:36.480 Peter letheart is he's another person who's even though he's 934 00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:40.400 Anglicanish Protestant, they've been borrowing from Orthodoxy for the last 935 00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:42.239 twenty or thirty years. That this is the Doug Wilson 936 00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:47.000 Circles Lightheart just put out a new two volume commentary 937 00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:49.079 of the Book of Revelation from this fantage point. So 938 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:51.719 I haven't ready yet. I just got it. I think 939 00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:53.559 it's going to be good. There's another This is a 940 00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:57.480 Methodist guy who was anti dispensationalist, and he wrote a 941 00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:01.760 commentary on a lot of biblical apocalyptics. So it's actually 942 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:07.719 Milton Terry's Biblical apocalyptics. It's actually a good reputation of dispensationalism. 943 01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:12.000 A couple more really quick ones this isn't This is 944 01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:15.840 another Protestant minister who was anti dispensationalist. He wrote a 945 01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:20.320 book called The Destruction of Jerusalem, George Peter Holford. So 946 01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:24.159 even the Protestants, ironically, after the advent of dispensationalism, even 947 01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:27.400 the Protestants were like on this, refuting it, and some 948 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:30.480 of their books are pretty good reputations. David Chilton has 949 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:33.440 another little book called Great Tribulation, which is good. So 950 01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:36.360 if anybody's looking for like a thorough sort of like 951 01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:40.400 immediate treatment. Even Bonnson has a book. I'm not you know, 952 01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:43.960 I'm not going to recommend his theology per se, but 953 01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:47.440 he has a good critique of this called House Divided, 954 01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:51.159 I think is what it's called. Interestingly, Yeah, even the 955 01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:52.400 Protestants have been all over this. 956 01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:57.559 Yeah, you talked about motivation a little bit. Well, today 957 01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:00.840 it's obvious everybody's talking points. We what we can get 958 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:03.320 into the motivation today of holding this view or even 959 01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:08.480 a partial view of dispensationalism. But at the time, could 960 01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:12.480 we say that there's a motivation here or could we 961 01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:17.400 split motivation with just crappy uh, you know, hermeneutics and 962 01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.840 just adding all this interpretation like is it is? It? 963 01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:21.159 Is it? 964 01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:22.280 Like? You know? 965 01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:24.159 What I'm asking is how much of it is like 966 01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:28.800 sort of an innocent, ignorant impulse versus is there some 967 01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:32.880 political motivation that can be talked about at this time? 968 01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:34.840 With the guy on the screen, the guy in the 969 01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:38.519 right there with the weird look, is there a motivation 970 01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:39.039 at the time? 971 01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:42.880 I would say we could point to a motivation. Who's 972 01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:48.320 that guy that became orthodox? He's he's put the most 973 01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:50.719 time into studying this topic. I'm trying to think that 974 01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:59.039 he wrote a book on the CFR. James Pearloff has 975 01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:01.480 researched this a whole lot. He ended up converting to 976 01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:05.360 Orthodox to a couple of years ago. So he I 977 01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:06.880 don't know if he's written on this or he's gonna 978 01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:09.800 write on this, but he's the first to really talk 979 01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:13.159 about kind of the timing of this in regard to 980 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:17.360 the nation state of Israel. Right, So the modern founding 981 01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:20.000 of it. So the Scopfield Study Aboble comes out in 982 01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:24.519 nineteen oh nine from Oxford, right, And if you follow 983 01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:30.440 the Quigly material, we know that the Oxford Circles, Cambridge Eton, 984 01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:33.760 these are all the upper what's called Cliveden set, the Astors, 985 01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:39.320 the Miliner, Fabian, Ralph Child circles. We know that they 986 01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:43.760 had a plan via Balfour, the Balfour Declaration, to set 987 01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:47.840 up this new nation state. It makes absolutely perfect sense 988 01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:52.280 that they would want to promote through this study Bible, right, 989 01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:56.559 this to prep people for if it comes out in 990 01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:59.039 nineteen oh nine, right, to prep people for what a 991 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:01.119 few years later the stabs from the nation state. 992 01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:04.039 It's like the PNAC, it's like the Project for New 993 01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:07.320 American Century, but with Church like a. 994 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:10.000 Like a crappy study, but a crappy Pnack study by 995 01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:11.719 way right, right. 996 01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:17.960 I mean Schofield Bible, produced originally by the Oxford University Press. 997 01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:23.400 You know, very very suspicious. Immediately, I just think of 998 01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:26.960 accents like mine, but you know, not talked that's grown 999 01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:30.400 up with, and I immediately think, oh God, something's afoot, 1000 01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:35.719 something very vile and planned for a century in advance. 1001 01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:38.320 So you can see the first issue came out in 1002 01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:40.599 nineteen oh nine. 1003 01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:45.159 Okay, but Jay, how about when this guy was doing 1004 01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:48.480 all of his work in his closet? Is their motive 1005 01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:51.199 before that? Is there some influence there? If we go 1006 01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.519 even back further, like when this is all getting sort 1007 01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:54.800 of like you know. 1008 01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:58.679 College, there could be. Yeah, Pearlof would probably be the 1009 01:03:58.679 --> 01:03:59.880 person to go to on that. 1010 01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.719 I'm personally unaware of any but as I said, you know, 1011 01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:08.440 they have this idea that church is a New Testament thing, 1012 01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:14.679 the term itself, but that's ridiculous. The term, as I said, 1013 01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:21.360 eclicia exists in the Sibturgent Congregation of Israel is in 1014 01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:26.400 English rendered as congregation, but then church is rendered as 1015 01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:28.719 you know, uses. 1016 01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:30.440 The phrase that ecclesia in the wilderness. 1017 01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:36.639 Yeah. Yeah, so there is a linguistic difference if your 1018 01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:41.280 main resource isn't the Sibturgent. But even then you have 1019 01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:46.199 to consciously translate them differently, you know, as much as 1020 01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:49.840 I don't understand why the Book of Joshua is called 1021 01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:52.280 the Book of Joshua but Jesus is called Jesus, and 1022 01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:56.239 why no one decided to align them like it would 1023 01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:00.559 be in Greek or in Servian, you know, called the 1024 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:04.559 Book of Joshua. Can you go Susinavina, you know, son 1025 01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:10.280 of Novi and it's Jesus, but the same way. You know, 1026 01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:13.000 then people don't make that connection because it's not that 1027 01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:16.840 obvious that Joshua and Jesus are the same name. You 1028 01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:20.039 have to analyze it. So to a lay person it 1029 01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:22.760 would be, you know, it would seem like you're trying 1030 01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:25.719 to pull something on them. Yeah. 1031 01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:29.920 There's an interesting section here in the Premennial Study Bible 1032 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.119 on the life and history of John Nelson Darby, and 1033 01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:35.639 one thing it notes is that early on, from eighteen 1034 01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:39.880 twenty seven to thirty three, Darby's Ecclesiology and Eschatology underwent 1035 01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:44.280 a reformation. He was disenchanted with the relationship of church 1036 01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:47.840 and state in England. He addressed these early writings to 1037 01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:51.920 the fact that the church was a heavenly institution. He 1038 01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:55.199 then garnered around himself a bunch of like minded people 1039 01:05:55.280 --> 01:06:00.519 for Bible studies in houses without ritual and higher. So 1040 01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:04.039 it seems like from the early outset it's just church 1041 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:07.760 and states shouldn't be together. Church is a quote heavenly thing. 1042 01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:10.960 I'm gonna start having home Bible studies. 1043 01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:14.119 Yeah, it's just a rejection and a rebellion of authority, 1044 01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:16.760 just like the modern era. It's just like, you know, 1045 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:19.960 what follows can be a bunch of garbage right in 1046 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:23.320 any direction, but seems like the foundation every time is 1047 01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:26.400 always the first thing is like I'm going to reject authority. 1048 01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:31.079 I'm going to reject hierarchy. I'm gonna reject church, tradition, authority, historicity, 1049 01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:34.199 all of these things. I'm gonna make my own stuff. 1050 01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:37.079 And really he's like the modern I mean, I'm gonna 1051 01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:39.239 call people. I'm gonna call truth or these truth are 1052 01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:43.480 towards Darby's now, because it's the same. It really is 1053 01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.559 the same thing. It's just it's just like a different take. 1054 01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:49.760 But really the impulse is just the same thing. Every time. 1055 01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:51.840 I don't need a church. I have a fire pit. 1056 01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:54.119 Jay. You know, who are you going. 1057 01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:56.679 To tell me my fire pit doesn't do the job? 1058 01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:57.000 Jay? 1059 01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:00.880 A little side tidbit. You know who I was raised 1060 01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:04.199 Plymouth Brethren, another most famous person in the world. 1061 01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:14.840 Oh really, Oh. 1062 01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:16.920 Yeah, but you get raised in these horrid, ridiculous cults 1063 01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:19.400 and then you know, you end up all messed up. 1064 01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:24.639 Shocker exactly. But I wanted to mention that Derby, not 1065 01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:29.639 only is it not like a simple rejection of like 1066 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:37.519 sacitoital priesthood or ecclesiastic authority adherents, or even promotion of 1067 01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:42.639 such authority, he saw, as you know, basically treason and blasphemy. 1068 01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:47.800 So it is like you go and kiss the hand 1069 01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:51.000 of some weird bearded guy in a dress like that's 1070 01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:56.320 that's basically the level of his you know, rebellion. But 1071 01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:00.280 that also means you get full lateral and horizon into 1072 01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:02.320 freedom to interpret the way you want it. 1073 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:06.079 Here's an interesting piece of the puzzle. It might help. 1074 01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:08.400 This is the person I've never heard of. It was 1075 01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:11.159 while Darby was at Trinity College that he came under 1076 01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:14.480 the influence of a theologian by the name of Professor 1077 01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:18.319 Richard Graves, who happened to be an advocate for Judaism 1078 01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:22.600 and Jewish people in the British Empire. Graves believe that 1079 01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:25.119 through the conversion of Israel. It would bring about the 1080 01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:26.680 I guess, the end of the world. It would it 1081 01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:29.199 would usher in the end of the world, and that 1082 01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:33.479 a gentile parenthesis had existed since the Jews had rejected 1083 01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:36.600 the Messiah. So here's the origins. It's from this person 1084 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:41.520 called Professor Richard Graves, so I'm not familiar with him, 1085 01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:43.960 but he would probably be the key character here. 1086 01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:47.960 Posh did say Jay is gonna, Jay will come with 1087 01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:51.199 the folders, and you did. You came through. 1088 01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:53.520 Now I want to I came with an actual Schofield 1089 01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:59.920 study Bible with my name on it, with your name, Golden, Gold, Golden. 1090 01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:04.479 This is interesting. You said that there is even a 1091 01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:09.199 connection to rejecting Christ as God as the Messiah, because 1092 01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:13.840 the starting point of rejecting Christ as the Messiah basically 1093 01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:17.119 necessitates of you that you could invent a new future 1094 01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:19.840 to live into that you're waiting for. So it does 1095 01:09:19.960 --> 01:09:23.079 make sense that any kind of rejection of Christ would 1096 01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:26.399 allow for, like Posh said, horizontal vertebral building. 1097 01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:29.199 Also, remember, based on that scheme that you have there, 1098 01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:31.119 if you can be saved in different ways in the 1099 01:09:31.119 --> 01:09:34.720 Old Testament or in that period, there's no reason why 1100 01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:37.039 you can't be saved in other ways now right? 1101 01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:37.560 Yeah? 1102 01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:42.439 Yeah, books, sure, a. 1103 01:09:42.439 --> 01:09:44.640 Separate way to be saved for gentile, separate ways to 1104 01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:45.439 be safe for Jesus. 1105 01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:50.079 Book what book did you just read out of? But 1106 01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:52.119 yeah that what was that quote? Even though you didn't 1107 01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:53.119 know who was saying it? 1108 01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:55.199 What was the So. 1109 01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:58.159 This is a dictionary of all these people and they're belief. Okay, 1110 01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:01.199 this is arby entry underneath it employ. 1111 01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:05.479 So it's not just the pictures at the cover that 1112 01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:09.640 are good. But I wanted to also say that the 1113 01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:14.600 whole apocalypticism that they're obsessed with leads to like today, 1114 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:18.960 if people are Jesus, come quickly, Jesus come quickly, which 1115 01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:22.520 is a horrible position to hold, as the Book of 1116 01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:26.319 Revelations itself says that the blood of the martyrs is 1117 01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:30.840 crying from under the altar in heaven and the only 1118 01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:35.239 reason why it's not yet heeded is that God still 1119 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:37.720 gives us time for as many of us to repent 1120 01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:43.960 as possible, So to hurry it up is not just, 1121 01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:51.079 you know, unbiblical, it's also cruel and shows the level 1122 01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:55.960 of narcissism that comes with the faith alone position, where 1123 01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:59.800 you sign you know your name on the saved, you know, 1124 01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:02.840 and there you go. Now you're safe. So you're going 1125 01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:06.640 to be playing a hob on a cloud and the 1126 01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:07.800 others can found. 1127 01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:13.079 Now. Keep in mind, so these goobers believe that they 1128 01:11:13.119 --> 01:11:17.760 can do certain geopolitical actions like trying to Originally in 1129 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:20.319 the eighteen thirties, the idea was they could miss be 1130 01:11:20.439 --> 01:11:23.079 missionaries to Israel, convert the Jews that would bring about 1131 01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:24.640 the end of the world and return of Christ. Right, 1132 01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:28.640 what does Crowley think about the Book of Revelation. He 1133 01:11:28.720 --> 01:11:31.880 thinks it's a ritual book that if you do it, 1134 01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:34.159 it brings about the end of the world. So they 1135 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:37.920 have the same idea that you can do these actions 1136 01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:41.359 like this a technology, right, Yeah, in the end of 1137 01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:43.199 the world. Even Croley has that view. 1138 01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:46.199 That's really interesting, Jay, Not to go off topic, but 1139 01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:49.720 Crowley's I would say intimate relationship. I don't know what 1140 01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:54.159 else included in that between him and Jack Parsons, who 1141 01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:58.840 basically uh not tried to materialize that particular view, but 1142 01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:04.119 there was definitely some sort of ritual in his combustion experiments. 1143 01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:04.079 And rocket Tree. 1144 01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:07.479 Interesting. 1145 01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:10.199 The Babylon working is an end of the world working. 1146 01:12:10.359 --> 01:12:13.720 See it's it's crazy how this stuff is. Like I 1147 01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:15.520 wish I had my truth or music cue because it 1148 01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:24.239 is really connected works every time. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah, 1149 01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:26.439 we're going to be doing another one. Hopefully Jay will 1150 01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:29.199 get a date and if you need any help, uh 1151 01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:32.199 finding it on a location. But yeah, I'll try to. 1152 01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:34.920 I'll just keep looking. I'm gonna keep going with this 1153 01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:38.399 and you guys, you guys can determine how much theology 1154 01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:39.920 you want to do even when we get into some 1155 01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:42.279 of the modern stuff. Like I said, it's still important. 1156 01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:45.319 But if there's any more you want to do, I 1157 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:46.960 can keep going as long as you want. 1158 01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:48.840 Here, I want to look at some of these in 1159 01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:52.640 a little bit more detail before we move on. The 1160 01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:57.880 millennium itself is a standard pre millennial conception, the idea 1161 01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:02.159 that Christ reigns for a thousand year period of time, 1162 01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:06.640 reigns from Jerusalem. All of this he shares with other 1163 01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:11.039 pre millennialists who basically developed similar ideas at that time 1164 01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:16.279 in history. The millennium is immediately preceded by the Second Advent. 1165 01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:21.760 Christ comes before the millennium, hence the term pre millennialism. However, 1166 01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:25.399 something unique to Darby's view of this is that the 1167 01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:30.720 Church is not present all the other pre millennial eschatologies 1168 01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:34.680 see Christ reigning for this thousand years through the people 1169 01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:37.479 who are the ones advocating. 1170 01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:38.439 This particular eschatology. 1171 01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:40.680 So if you're a Seventh day Adventist, he's going to 1172 01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:43.439 rule through the Adventus. If you're a Jehovah's Witness, he's 1173 01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:44.880 going to rule through the witnesses. 1174 01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:47.399 If you're a Mormon, he's going to rule through the Mormons. 1175 01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:47.880 You see. 1176 01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.479 But Darby has a different view of a very stunning 1177 01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:52.479 idea that the Church is gone. 1178 01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:55.920 And the Church is in hill the promise that the 1179 01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:58.159 so called unfulfilled promises to the Jews. 1180 01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:00.960 Okay, so this. 1181 01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:04.439 Is why Jesus. So the church is raptured. Jesus comes 1182 01:14:04.479 --> 01:14:07.840 back rules in Israel for the Jews to fulfill those 1183 01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:09.600 promises while the church is. 1184 01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:13.720 So he's declaring the Church is gone. Right. Does that 1185 01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:17.199 mean so the Church is no longer physical, nor is 1186 01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:21.960 it existing metaphysically in a sense, he's in heaven. 1187 01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:22.239 Right. 1188 01:14:22.239 --> 01:14:25.319 So, for example, at the beginning of the tribulation, if 1189 01:14:25.359 --> 01:14:28.680 you're a pre tribulation rapture person, you believe that when 1190 01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:33.039 the seven year Tribulation starts, the Church has been raptured, 1191 01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:38.399 it's been taken out, and so the Antichrist comes right 1192 01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:43.000 the Jews convert. The Jews then start converting everyone, and 1193 01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:47.479 then Jesus comes back, destroys Antichrist and then rules for 1194 01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:51.600 a thousand years, and then there's the Great White thrown 1195 01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:55.239 Judgment resurrection. So the Church is in heaven as Jesus 1196 01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:55.920 rules on earth. 1197 01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:02.640 Make a couple of points. So one very basic critique 1198 01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:07.600 of dispensationalist in this pre millennial view is that it 1199 01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:10.920 says that Christ rules for a thousand years. And again, 1200 01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:14.640 this was not an uncommon term to use for a lot, 1201 01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:19.159 like a thousand years a lot to us today maybe 1202 01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:23.359 not so much, because we live in times of tremendous 1203 01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:28.479 exis of anything you can think of. But it just 1204 01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:31.359 means a long time, you know. We have that even 1205 01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:35.720 in Daniel that after a long time, you know, we 1206 01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:39.680 will get back to like the Second Coming or something. 1207 01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:45.439 But it says that after near the end of that reign, 1208 01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:48.920 because the strong man is bound, and that refers to 1209 01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:54.000 Satan that his reigns must be loosened a bit. What 1210 01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:58.600 bloody point is there in Christ coming back ruling a 1211 01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:04.079 thousand years and just let Satan loose. From our perspective, 1212 01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:08.800 Christ is ruling right now. The Church is alive, you know, 1213 01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:14.800 with all the problems that you know entails. But near 1214 01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:19.479 the end of this long rain, the rains of Satan 1215 01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:23.079 will be loosened a bit, so things will get rougher. 1216 01:16:24.399 --> 01:16:27.039 That is not to say I don't understand why people 1217 01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:29.399 are so egocentric that they think, oh, now is the 1218 01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:32.000 end of the world, and they find any single tip it, 1219 01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:35.199 which is a very very Protestant way of thinking. You know, 1220 01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:38.119 oh this has happened, so now I we'll connect it somehow. 1221 01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:42.880 World War two was a great place to think things 1222 01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:45.880 are going to end, and we don't know. There was 1223 01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:48.439 a guy who called in on this stream while I 1224 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:50.199 was on and said, do you know this is the 1225 01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:53.960 first time so many Jews are back in you know, Israel, 1226 01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:57.119 or the land that is described in the Bible as 1227 01:16:57.479 --> 01:17:00.640 promise to Israel? You know, Okay, who says they stay there? 1228 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:03.640 You don't know what's going to happen, right, but they 1229 01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:06.439 keep latching onto these things and use it as this, 1230 01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:09.640 you know, like tarot readings or whatever. 1231 01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:11.960 Part she was saying is basically bagel prepping. 1232 01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:16.199 Is that what you're saying, preparing the water for they 1233 01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:21.119 But you know they have this idea that and use 1234 01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:25.439 it as a techne like you know Jay described, Crowley 1235 01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:28.399 had his own view on that, but there is no 1236 01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:32.399 sense in it why Satan would be loosened a bit, 1237 01:17:32.840 --> 01:17:34.680 you know, at the end of the millennial ring. 1238 01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:38.560 So so that's that's a very common one you can 1239 01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:41.720 all take with you and you don't need who knows 1240 01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:46.399 how grand a knowledge of theology to give them that example. 1241 01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:51.800 But again, like with all types of these niche Protestant schools, 1242 01:17:52.359 --> 01:17:56.520 they don't really go for logic. It's similar to Islam. 1243 01:17:56.600 --> 01:18:01.560 You know, Ahl is best. You don't need to describe anything. 1244 01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:05.600 Who needs to who needs God? Who needs to justify 1245 01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:06.600 what God does? 1246 01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:10.600 Yeah, Also, Josha, the modern era, with the technology, you 1247 01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:12.960 think it could be in our favor to get like 1248 01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:16.399 a rigid, narrow truth out there, but it actually works 1249 01:18:16.399 --> 01:18:19.079 against us that. Like you said, these people who are 1250 01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:26.119 these apocalyptisismos, apocalyptismos, they're they can piece together things and 1251 01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:28.159 find things. Oh did you see that you know they're 1252 01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:30.279 all going back to Israel. Did you see this sign? 1253 01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:32.239 Did you see the Olympics that they're just kind of 1254 01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:36.279 like constantly in this state of like fielding quick bits 1255 01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:40.319 of information digital post it notes and filling up their basement, 1256 01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:44.600 right and and not that they're even aware of these views, 1257 01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:48.279 but they're still you know, they're actually interacting with this 1258 01:18:48.359 --> 01:18:51.039 paradigm that we're critiquing right now without knowing. 1259 01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:54.199 It, and another parallel and this is going to be 1260 01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:59.520 important for the geopolitical aspects of it. Another similarity with Islam. 1261 01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:03.359 Islam teachers that Islam will go out into the world, 1262 01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:07.039 but it will retract like a snake, you know, between 1263 01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:09.520 the rocks. You know, it's going to become so incredibly 1264 01:19:09.560 --> 01:19:14.560 small again as it began. But it also talks about 1265 01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:17.119 oh we are strong, we will conquer everything. You know. 1266 01:19:17.560 --> 01:19:22.600 So you've got both sides of the you know, dialectic, 1267 01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:26.680 so you can go back and forth. Anything good that happens, 1268 01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:29.039 oh you see, we are right because things are going well. 1269 01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:30.800 If things go wrong, oh you see, we are right 1270 01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:34.640 because things are not going well. Likewise, with these types 1271 01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:39.319 of apocalyptic thinkers, you know, anything that happens is proof 1272 01:19:39.399 --> 01:19:40.159 that you are right. 1273 01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:43.239 Everything is yeah, all yeah, there's. 1274 01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:46.479 No way to disprove it because they've captured both sides. 1275 01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:48.000 It's like climate change. 1276 01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:50.680 Yeah. 1277 01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:52.279 Nine, And I'm not going to read I'm going to 1278 01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:54.439 read relevant ones for those of you bob chat or 1279 01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:56.720 super chat and it's not totally relevant. I will read 1280 01:19:56.760 --> 01:19:58.640 it at the end. You can direct it a posh 1281 01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:01.359 or myself or Jay as well, But this one seems relevant. 1282 01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:05.239 Nine ninety nine. If dispensationalist heresy is prominent in America, 1283 01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:10.239 can we find any dispensationalists to obliterate in debates like yesterday? Yeah, 1284 01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:12.640 shout out to Jay and Sam. You did very well. 1285 01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:15.319 Highlight by the way, Uh, they tried to pin you 1286 01:20:15.319 --> 01:20:19.359 guys against each other. Sam geniusly just accepted heresy and 1287 01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:21.800 said pray for me. I thought that was a beautiful 1288 01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:24.359 moment right there. Totally deflated their their. 1289 01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:26.079 Well, we knew they were going to do that, so 1290 01:20:26.119 --> 01:20:29.079 from the outset. Sam had said before the debate, he 1291 01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:30.960 was like, I'm just going to say I don't know 1292 01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:35.720 who's right on Philly o'quay and energies, whether Catholic or Orthodox. 1293 01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:38.199 So so I thought he was going to say that, 1294 01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:40.640 but that ended up being a better red rhetorical. 1295 01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:42.920 That was awesome. Yeah, that was awesome. 1296 01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:45.960 And as she formerly converted to any. 1297 01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:48.079 I don't think he's formally converted. But he says that 1298 01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:51.319 he attends a Catholic church because Bill let him have 1299 01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:54.159 the Eucharist, but he has to go through a catechumen 1300 01:20:54.279 --> 01:20:56.840 process if he becomes Orthodox. And then he says, plus, 1301 01:20:56.840 --> 01:21:01.279 I don't know whether Orthodox are right, one are or not. 1302 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:05.039 Okay, but he hasn't made a formal declaration. 1303 01:21:04.600 --> 01:21:06.680 That goes there. 1304 01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:10.560 Yeah, no, here tends but but but you have to 1305 01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:14.960 get baptized or at least, you know, not Christ. But 1306 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:17.960 we call it. Chris made it. Something needs to happen 1307 01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:20.079 before you're formerly part of it, and as far as 1308 01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:22.439 I'm aware, he hasn't. So they were just even though 1309 01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:26.199 they have different understandings of Islam, they were trying to 1310 01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:33.640 impose the same type of disparacy. Oh yeah, I mean 1311 01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:38.840 excellent is one of them was mean? Yeah, they're. 1312 01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:45.159 That was funny. He didn't even flinch. Okay, we'll keep 1313 01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:45.640 going here. 1314 01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:50.600 So you had a question there was a a is 1315 01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:54.039 preterism the same as no. Preteritism is just the idea 1316 01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:58.279 that many prophecies about what people think of the end 1317 01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:01.199 Matthew twenty four, twenty one, and even much of the 1318 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:04.560 Book Revelation that it's about the things occurring in the 1319 01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:07.479 days of the people experiencing it. So, for example, John, 1320 01:22:07.640 --> 01:22:09.159 if you believe in the early Day for the Book 1321 01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:11.640 of Revelation, was writing about the destruction of the Temple 1322 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:15.039 in seventy eight. So many of those things. I don't 1323 01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:18.640 think anybody really doubts unless they're super evangelical, that some 1324 01:22:19.159 --> 01:22:21.520 aspects of Matthew twenty four and Luke twenty one have 1325 01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:23.920 to be about the destruction of the Temple. There's actually 1326 01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:27.479 a really good Orthodox publication on this too, called Apostacy 1327 01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:31.159 and Antichrist from Jordanville Monastery. I think it's really hard 1328 01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:32.960 to get because it's out of print, but there is 1329 01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:35.800 a YouTube version of audio of this whole thing. So 1330 01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:38.079 it's only about forty pages, and all it is is 1331 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:41.840 just collections of church fathers elder saints for the Orthodox 1332 01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:46.159 Church talking about apostasy and Antichrist and end times. And 1333 01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:50.199 it notes as well that much of what we are 1334 01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:52.159 looking at in Luke twenty one. In Matthew twenty four, 1335 01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:55.479 on page twenty two is the fulfilled fulfilled. In seventy eight, 1336 01:22:55.560 --> 01:22:57.479 it says holy fathers of the Church explaining to these 1337 01:22:57.520 --> 01:23:00.159 words at this point are about the destruction of Tip 1338 01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:03.199 seventy eight eight, which is a prototype of the future 1339 01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:06.800 great tribulation and into the world. So what happens here 1340 01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:10.239 is that no dispensationalist believes in anything preterorist at all. 1341 01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:14.079 So that's what's often called partial preterism. That's what I 1342 01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:17.880 mentioned earlier, earlier about the dating of some of the 1343 01:23:17.960 --> 01:23:20.720 events of the Book of Revelation and when it happened. 1344 01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:24.199 There's a different that's different from pre millennialism, which is 1345 01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:27.680 about the thousand year reign and does Jesus come back 1346 01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:30.960 before he sets up a thousand year early reign? Or 1347 01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:35.960 is the thousand year reign typically called amillennialism, meaning that 1348 01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:38.279 there's no literal millennium, it's just the reign of the 1349 01:23:38.359 --> 01:23:39.720 Church for an indefinite amount of. 1350 01:23:39.640 --> 01:23:46.079 Time and jr. That means Orthodox and Catholics are partial. 1351 01:23:47.600 --> 01:23:52.119 Well if they dig into it. So for example, I've 1352 01:23:52.119 --> 01:23:56.199 got several Catholic commentaries in Book Revelation too, and the 1353 01:23:56.239 --> 01:23:58.279 commentaries that I have are not they do not talk 1354 01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:02.199 about pretorism. But I do have the missile, the Romancalic missile, 1355 01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:05.560 the traditional Latin mass missile, which does mention preditos stuff. 1356 01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:07.800 So it's just kind of like you got to dig 1357 01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:13.119 and there's not really official positions in anybody's church on 1358 01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:17.960 specifics of end time stuff. It's kind of like, well 1359 01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:20.199 what it you know, like what did Christos them? 1360 01:24:20.239 --> 01:24:20.359 Say? 1361 01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:24.000 What did cyl say? What Athanasians say? Right, so we're 1362 01:24:24.039 --> 01:24:27.319 looking at them. There's not like a papal statement on 1363 01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:31.079 this stuff. It's just kind of like got to dig 1364 01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:31.880 to find. 1365 01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:36.479 Stuff because this position was never popular in either Orthodoxy 1366 01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:39.920 or Catholicism, and usually you get these statements after there's 1367 01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:45.119 been some turmoil with people going for a position. But 1368 01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:48.720 I wanted to mention as far as partial printerism is concerned, 1369 01:24:48.920 --> 01:24:53.279 it's a very consistent pattern in the Bible that God 1370 01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:57.960 does something in a smaller sense and then it comes 1371 01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:01.760 to full fulfillment later on, you know, like a sort 1372 01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:06.880 of advanced payment. So we yet Israel, the old Israel. 1373 01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:12.800 It is freed from slavery under Egypt and brought into 1374 01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:16.960 the Promised Land, not fully by a man called Moses, 1375 01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:20.359 but a man called Jesus or Joshua again in English. 1376 01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:23.239 I won't complain about that too much, although it really 1377 01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:29.760 irks me. Likewise, the full promise is then fulfilled by 1378 01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:34.880 everyone who becomes part of the new Israel. The church 1379 01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:39.319 is freed from slavery under sin, under Satan, the prince 1380 01:25:39.319 --> 01:25:44.880 of this world, and brought into the Kingdom of God, 1381 01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:49.920 not again by mosaic law, but by a man called Jesus. 1382 01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:54.600 So again, over and over again we get these patterns. 1383 01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:58.960 Likewise that we can see the destruction of Jerusalem as 1384 01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:03.760 a prototype, like say, for what can happen later on. 1385 01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:09.199 That does not mean and like any serious church structure. 1386 01:26:09.279 --> 01:26:11.560 Let's say, let's I don't want to use the church 1387 01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:17.159 the term church willy nilly, but doesn't just look around 1388 01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:22.399 for any geopolitical event, any scientific advancement, and just well, 1389 01:26:22.479 --> 01:26:24.239 there we are chopped. Chapter seven is. 1390 01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:26.800 Here we go Turn the page, Yeah, turn the comic 1391 01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:27.560 book page. 1392 01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:31.840 The trumpet is beginning to sound, you know, yeah, totally 1393 01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:34.439 like a fade in is starting. 1394 01:26:35.399 --> 01:26:37.960 Yeah, you set the stage right, getting your costumes. 1395 01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:40.199 There's another key to this too that you can see 1396 01:26:40.239 --> 01:26:43.399 in the Orthodox have an advantage in this regard because 1397 01:26:43.399 --> 01:26:47.079 we have first, second, and third Macabees in our in 1398 01:26:47.119 --> 01:26:50.039 our Bible, and that actually helps us with this eschatology 1399 01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:53.800 because a lot of the passages where Jesus talks about 1400 01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:56.840 what's like twenty one Matthew twenty four, what's called the 1401 01:26:56.840 --> 01:27:00.479 all of a discourse. Those passages refer to a domination 1402 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:04.079 of desolation, the abomination. Right, what is this? How do 1403 01:27:04.119 --> 01:27:05.560 we know what this is? Well, if we know the 1404 01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:07.600 Old Testament, we know it really well because we know, 1405 01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:12.520 for example, the Temple Israel was destroyed five eighty six BC. Right, 1406 01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:15.720 the temple gets destroyed, gets the filed. That's the first 1407 01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:20.399 defiling or the abomination of desolation, right when the Babylonians 1408 01:27:20.399 --> 01:27:23.840 come in. Then people don't know this, but if you 1409 01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:27.479 read the Maccabees, you know that there's another mirrored abomination. 1410 01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:30.880 This is the abomination of desolation of the next temple 1411 01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:34.960 that Daniel writes about. So when Daniel writes about this 1412 01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:39.039 famous abomination of desolation, this is after a five eighty 1413 01:27:39.079 --> 01:27:41.920 six BC, Right, Daniel's writing about what's going to happen 1414 01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:45.920 in this future Maccabean period. We get an abomination of 1415 01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:48.800 the desolation of the Maccabees. And then in third Macabees 1416 01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:53.319 there's another abomination with the Egyptian ruler told me, so 1417 01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:57.239 we get another. So there's mirroring abominations of the filings 1418 01:27:57.239 --> 01:28:00.880 of the temple. Right, so if Jesus in is referring 1419 01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:05.000 to another one, what would be the next The only 1420 01:28:05.159 --> 01:28:09.039 possible fulfillment would be the destruction of the temple, which 1421 01:28:09.079 --> 01:28:12.800 happens forty years after Jesus talks about that seventy eighty. 1422 01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:15.720 So we know that seventy eighty has to be one 1423 01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:18.880 of these clear fulfillments of the abomination of desolation. And the 1424 01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:20.880 last thing I would say on that is just that 1425 01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:26.319 the future desolation, whatever that is, that's debated. Some of 1426 01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:29.960 the church fathers think that there will be a rebuilt temple, 1427 01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:32.640 which would be antichrist temple, and because it would be 1428 01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:35.439 the reinstitution of the sacrifices that we're done away with 1429 01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:40.239 and fulfilled in Christ's animal sacrifices, many church fathers say 1430 01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:42.359 that would be a sign of the end because that 1431 01:28:42.359 --> 01:28:46.399 would be Antichrist's temple. Some church fathers say, well, the 1432 01:28:46.800 --> 01:28:50.199 final apostasy or the great apostasy that we read about 1433 01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:53.319 in Paul's letter to the Thessalonians has to be something 1434 01:28:53.359 --> 01:28:55.920 not in an actual temple, but in the church. So 1435 01:28:55.960 --> 01:28:59.560 there's a bit of a debate amongst exegetes and theologians 1436 01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:02.119 church will there's as to whether the great apostasy and 1437 01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:06.039 the when it's the text repulses the man of sin 1438 01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:07.840 will stand up in the temple in the Church of 1439 01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:10.760 God proclaim himself to be God. Does that mean a 1440 01:29:10.800 --> 01:29:13.560 spiritual temple of the Church where a man within the 1441 01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:16.880 church causes an apostasy or does it mean an actual, 1442 01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:20.520 literal rebuilt temple in Israel. I tend to actually think, 1443 01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:22.439 I mean, I think there will be an apostasy of 1444 01:29:22.520 --> 01:29:25.520 the church whenever that is, but I tend to think 1445 01:29:25.560 --> 01:29:27.840 that it is talking about a rebuilt, rebuilt temple. 1446 01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:30.960 Jay, I just want to remind you that if something's debated, 1447 01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:33.680 that means there is no truth about it. So I 1448 01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:37.960 just wanted to according to Daniel, that dude, that was 1449 01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:39.079 that was really funny. 1450 01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:41.119 And by the way, he knows good and well when 1451 01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:44.359 you get into the nuances of Islamic debates on the 1452 01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:47.520 attributes of Allah, he knows good and well. They debate 1453 01:29:47.560 --> 01:29:49.560 this all day long, and it's not clear and simple. 1454 01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:50.640 That's just a sales pit. 1455 01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:55.640 Yeah, they actually had wolves filtering over whether the Quran 1456 01:29:55.760 --> 01:30:01.279 is created or uncreated. Well, and anyone as thing is wrong. 1457 01:30:02.439 --> 01:30:04.880 Well, they'll call each other idolators in shirk over the 1458 01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:09.520 anthropomorphic view. So Jake and Daniel believe in anthropomorphic views, 1459 01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:14.039 and the other Muslims will say that they're committing shirk 1460 01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:15.600 by doing that. 1461 01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:19.439 Jay, would you debate Sneako or you think it's wrong 1462 01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:20.439 to punch retards? 1463 01:30:21.960 --> 01:30:24.119 I don't think Ko actually will debate anyone. 1464 01:30:24.199 --> 01:30:25.399 No, he won't debate anyone. 1465 01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:29.479 You No, I actually think. 1466 01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:33.159 I think he's actually gonna I think he's gonna leave Islam. 1467 01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:37.000 That's my hope. Meeting him in person, I think he 1468 01:30:37.399 --> 01:30:39.840 occurs as like the little brother type where he's just 1469 01:30:39.880 --> 01:30:42.159 like wide eyed and like I want to go do 1470 01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:44.760 the truth man, like this kind of thing. I think 1471 01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:47.399 he can be. I mean, I know he can be influenced. 1472 01:30:47.439 --> 01:30:49.399 So that's the good news about a young a young 1473 01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:53.640 pup like that. So maybe debating him isn't even in 1474 01:30:54.159 --> 01:30:55.000 the best process. 1475 01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:58.239 Can I say there was a super child that ask 1476 01:30:58.680 --> 01:31:01.399 if there was someone who is like the equivalent of 1477 01:31:02.119 --> 01:31:07.800 the dispensationalists like the Islamic debate from yesterday, And I'm 1478 01:31:07.880 --> 01:31:11.279 not sure that there is any structure you have major 1479 01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:18.439 like pro zionists and people who have similar eschatologies, et cetera. 1480 01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:21.439 But I don't think there's any form of structure. 1481 01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:24.359 I've never heard of a dispensational debate. I mean back 1482 01:31:24.359 --> 01:31:26.720 in the days of like Moonsen and Gentry and all that, 1483 01:31:26.800 --> 01:31:29.000 and like ninety nine or like the late nineties, mid 1484 01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:31.479 to late nineties, they were doing they were doing these 1485 01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:33.680 kinds of debates. But I haven't even heard of the 1486 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:35.640 debate like that since the nineties. 1487 01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:39.800 And nowadays you just hear apocalypticism and pro Israel stuff, 1488 01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:44.319 you know, John Hagy and crew, you know, just going 1489 01:31:44.319 --> 01:31:51.000 away whoever blisicious, who is real? 1490 01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:55.600 Yeah, this guy, I will and I will tell you 1491 01:31:56.399 --> 01:32:01.279 support you always support Israel forever and ever never until 1492 01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:02.880 the end, until the fire. 1493 01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:07.000 Like this is basically modern politics, which we'll get into. 1494 01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:07.479 Uh. 1495 01:32:08.119 --> 01:32:11.079 I think that's going to be actually the very interesting, 1496 01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:15.520 palatable more palatable with this. A lot of the theology 1497 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:19.119 is important, but. 1498 01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:20.640 Well you think of this as an evangelical thing, which 1499 01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:24.079 it is, But I mean Rat Singer in his one 1500 01:32:24.119 --> 01:32:27.800 of his later books before he stepped Down, was basically 1501 01:32:27.880 --> 01:32:32.039 affirming a form of dual covenant theology for the Jews. 1502 01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:36.640 So this, this idea has basically spilled over into the 1503 01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:37.880 Roman Callolics as well. 1504 01:32:38.399 --> 01:32:40.399 I think a lot of it is driven by a 1505 01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:45.279 certain mid century event that promotes a lot of guilt. 1506 01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:51.119 So now, even though you disagree with it theologically, yeah, 1507 01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:55.600 you know, sort of feel bad about it, so you know, 1508 01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:59.079 you can't really deny any of it lest you look bad. 1509 01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:02.079 And and then the only people who stand up are 1510 01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:03.039 usually crazy. 1511 01:33:04.079 --> 01:33:09.039 Many religions, one covenant is the title Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger. 1512 01:33:09.560 --> 01:33:14.680 Yeah, so the so called trad pope right was saying 1513 01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:15.800 all kinds of crazy stuff. 1514 01:33:18.399 --> 01:33:21.119 So okay, we'll just press play and see where this 1515 01:33:21.159 --> 01:33:22.680 guy takes it. I can't even tell. I don't know 1516 01:33:22.720 --> 01:33:25.319 if it matters the person who's presenting this, if he's 1517 01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:27.399 advocating or just simply described. I don't know if it 1518 01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:28.399 matters eight. 1519 01:33:28.319 --> 01:33:32.720 Of Israel and Christ is actually ruling through ethnic Jewish 1520 01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:37.159 people during this millennial period. I don't think anybody in 1521 01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:40.399 the history of the Church until Darby had ever actually 1522 01:33:40.479 --> 01:33:42.960 suggested that particular hypothesis. 1523 01:33:43.960 --> 01:33:44.920 The church is removed. 1524 01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:47.520 As I say, the term of art that is used 1525 01:33:47.560 --> 01:33:49.039 is that the church is raptured. 1526 01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:51.640 The term is not found in the Bible, but it's usually. 1527 01:33:51.439 --> 01:33:55.520 An allusion to First Thessalonians chapter five. So the church 1528 01:33:55.600 --> 01:33:58.520 has taken out in a kind of blink of an 1529 01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:02.159 eye sort of event, and that takes place before this 1530 01:34:02.359 --> 01:34:08.319 millennial era begins Old Testament prophecies that look forward to 1531 01:34:08.359 --> 01:34:11.560 a time of rich blessing, And of course the Old 1532 01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:17.079 Testament has many of these, Isaiah, Zachariah, Ezekiel, others, all 1533 01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:19.680 sort of look forward. For the most part, all of 1534 01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:22.680 the prophets have some idea of a great period of 1535 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:23.880 blessing in the future. 1536 01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:29.239 Generally speak trump trump, trump, trump, Is that the is 1537 01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:31.239 that the is that one of the do you think 1538 01:34:31.279 --> 01:34:33.560 that could be smuggled in as that? Or you get 1539 01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:36.239 to choose whatever that is? Is it the eighties, I 1540 01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:37.319 mean the eighties. 1541 01:34:36.920 --> 01:34:42.600 Were I sent you that picture that the maga hat 1542 01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:44.760 is the mock of the beast? 1543 01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:47.720 Right right, I'm interpreting this all wrong. 1544 01:34:49.039 --> 01:34:52.800 Those have been identified with God's work among his people 1545 01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:57.520 in some sense or other u in unfolding history. Classical 1546 01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:00.880 Christianity would say those are describing God's blessings on the 1547 01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:02.159 world through his. 1548 01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:03.920 Work in the church, that sort of thing. 1549 01:35:04.479 --> 01:35:09.640 However, Darby says all of those predictions actually refer to 1550 01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:13.399 the Kingdom, not anything that God is doing through the Church. 1551 01:35:13.560 --> 01:35:18.560 So those prophecies are actually prophecies of a coming millennium. 1552 01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:23.960 Immediately before the millennium is a period that Darby called 1553 01:35:24.000 --> 01:35:27.000 the Great Tribulation, borrowing that term, of course from the 1554 01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:31.399 New Testament itself. This is a seven year period of time. 1555 01:35:32.439 --> 01:35:36.520 It precedes the second Coming of Christ. It is also 1556 01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:40.600 identified by Darby. Again he appears to be the first 1557 01:35:40.600 --> 01:35:42.479 one to suggest this hypothesis. 1558 01:35:43.039 --> 01:35:45.279 He identifies the I. 1559 01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:48.000 Have a question, it might be really dumb when people 1560 01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:51.920 refer to the coming of Christ. Are they including the 1561 01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:55.439 birth and manifestation of Christ as Man as the first 1562 01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:57.600 or are they talking about the resurrection as. 1563 01:35:57.439 --> 01:36:01.640 The first, the second coming, the coming into That's what 1564 01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:02.319 they were talking. 1565 01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:06.520 About seven year period of the Great Tribulation as the 1566 01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:11.560 seventieth Week of Daniel. Now, if you've been in the 1567 01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:16.079 class or of otherwise study these things, you know, yeah, yeah. 1568 01:36:16.079 --> 01:36:17.840 I know. You probably don't want me to keep interrupting. 1569 01:36:18.159 --> 01:36:20.560 No, you can keep it. This is really you guys 1570 01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:22.479 are driving this basically so really. 1571 01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:25.439 Important with Daniel's seventieth Week because it's a really important 1572 01:36:25.439 --> 01:36:30.239 prophecy for Christianity, because it's basically Daniel in his book 1573 01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:34.640 looks back to Jeremiah and he realizes certain things about 1574 01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:36.640 what God's going to do in history. He says in 1575 01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:41.560 Daniel by reading Jeremiah, and Jeremiah talked about seventy seventies 1576 01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:44.520 and dividing up times into sevens and seventies, and so 1577 01:36:44.640 --> 01:36:46.600 Daniel comes up with this idea that there would be 1578 01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:50.079 a determined amount of time for the nation of Israel. 1579 01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:54.960 Now remember Daniel's writing in captivity, so he's writing as 1580 01:36:55.039 --> 01:36:58.359 if the nation will be restored, and then he predicts 1581 01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:03.279 that there's this period basically seven years time seventy, which 1582 01:37:03.319 --> 01:37:06.720 is four hundred and ninety right, the last seven years 1583 01:37:07.319 --> 01:37:10.359 is this seven year period that Daniel was talking about, 1584 01:37:10.359 --> 01:37:12.880 and he says, in this last seven years, this is 1585 01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:15.560 really important because this is a really stupid thing that 1586 01:37:15.640 --> 01:37:20.720 the dispensationalists due. Daniel says that in this last week, 1587 01:37:21.079 --> 01:37:23.119 which is a week, is just seven years, it's a 1588 01:37:23.159 --> 01:37:27.640 week of years. This last seven years will include the 1589 01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:32.319 everybody says, seventy weeks are determined, and then I'll skip 1590 01:37:32.319 --> 01:37:36.279 down to the last Basically, there will be a end 1591 01:37:36.319 --> 01:37:41.840 of lawlessness, atonement for sin everlasting righteousness comes in the 1592 01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:45.600 fulfilling and sealing up of visions and prophecies, which means 1593 01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:48.119 that there's no prophecies after. There's no new visions and 1594 01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:50.359 prophecies after the time of the Messiah. So we don't 1595 01:37:50.359 --> 01:37:54.000 need Mohammed and we don't need Joseph Smith and to 1596 01:37:54.119 --> 01:37:57.800 anoint the Holy One. And then he says, this will 1597 01:37:57.840 --> 01:38:03.560 be the coming of Messiah the Prince. Okay, Now, the 1598 01:38:03.920 --> 01:38:07.319 dummy dispensationalists are so stupid that they go with the 1599 01:38:07.319 --> 01:38:10.199 Masoretic text, not the subtusion, because Sebtusient makes it clear 1600 01:38:10.239 --> 01:38:13.680 that it's Messiah the Prince. The Mazoretic text says the 1601 01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:17.600 Prince to come, they say that's the Antichrist, and so 1602 01:38:17.640 --> 01:38:22.760 they actually say that this last week is paused when 1603 01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:27.640 so Jesus comes, and then because the Jews rejected Christ, 1604 01:38:27.800 --> 01:38:31.960 the last seven years is paused to be the seven 1605 01:38:32.039 --> 01:38:34.680 year tribulation thousands of years into the future after the 1606 01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:37.399 time of Christ. Okay, there's nothing in the passage that 1607 01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:40.279 says anything about this. The passage actually says all of 1608 01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:43.119 these things are fulfilled when the Messiah comes. This is 1609 01:38:43.159 --> 01:38:48.000 Daniel nine twenty four to twenty seven, right excuse me, right, 1610 01:38:48.039 --> 01:38:50.279 and then it even says that the Messiah will be 1611 01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:54.279 cut off in verse twenty six, and this would be 1612 01:38:54.319 --> 01:38:56.279 a fulfillment of the Jesillation. 1613 01:38:56.439 --> 01:38:59.039 So we teach they so they introduced as sort of 1614 01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:02.199 Nintendo arbitrary pause in their game. 1615 01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:06.279 Yeah, because though it's identified in the very passes that 1616 01:39:06.319 --> 01:39:09.399 it's the Messiah, the Prince in especially for the subtuagen, 1617 01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:13.039 then the next verse says that after this time the 1618 01:39:13.119 --> 01:39:16.199 anointed One will be put to death. The death of 1619 01:39:16.239 --> 01:39:20.000 the Messiah is so clear, right, idiots destroy one of 1620 01:39:20.039 --> 01:39:22.880 the strongest proofs of Christianity and the prediction of the 1621 01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:26.520 Messiah being put to death. These idiots destroy it, make 1622 01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:29.000 it something two thousand years, three thousand years in the future. 1623 01:39:29.319 --> 01:39:31.760 And by the way, the Jews were very aware of 1624 01:39:31.800 --> 01:39:34.960 this timeline in the time of Christ. And if that's 1625 01:39:34.960 --> 01:39:38.039 why people were already you know, if you claim they 1626 01:39:38.119 --> 01:39:41.960 start asking you questions, you know, they don't just hear what, well, 1627 01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:45.479 that's ridiculous. No, No, they were very aware of the 1628 01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:48.720 timeline with the seventy weeks of years, you know, that's 1629 01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:52.119 four hundred and ninety years years and numbers in general, 1630 01:39:52.159 --> 01:39:56.279 and the ancient world were rounded up massively. You know, 1631 01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:00.920 it's simply how things work. We are very methodical nowadays, 1632 01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:04.760 in large part due to the availability of writing and material, 1633 01:40:04.920 --> 01:40:08.600 both as an ink and as in a medium of writing. 1634 01:40:08.840 --> 01:40:13.760 So we are much more I want to say anal 1635 01:40:13.760 --> 01:40:15.039 about it, but yeah. 1636 01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:18.640 We mean Rabbinic Jews has Saidic Jews they actually pronounce 1637 01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:21.399 a curse on gentiles that read this passage, because this 1638 01:40:21.439 --> 01:40:26.079 passage is it's so difficult for them that they'll like, 1639 01:40:26.359 --> 01:40:26.680 they do. 1640 01:40:26.680 --> 01:40:29.039 A curse on the gentiles that they just spit they 1641 01:40:29.079 --> 01:40:31.640 just as randomly like drinks. 1642 01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:33.159 I think they do it on puium. I can't remember that. 1643 01:40:33.159 --> 01:40:35.079 They're like, they'll drink wine and spit at the Jews 1644 01:40:35.079 --> 01:40:35.399 that reads. 1645 01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:37.880 Yeah, they have super they have like they have super 1646 01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:40.439 soakers and they just spray people. 1647 01:40:40.760 --> 01:40:42.840 Who is it Pentecostal? 1648 01:40:43.399 --> 01:40:45.960 Wait okay, wait a second. Are you saying that the 1649 01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:50.960 dispensationalist view is partial to a it just happens to 1650 01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:55.760 be partial to a bagel view that the best possible 1651 01:40:56.039 --> 01:40:58.880 thing you can appeal to as far as a prophecy 1652 01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:04.520 of Jesus as God is rejected, which is weird if 1653 01:41:04.560 --> 01:41:06.880 you're taking a Christian view, right, So, you'd be like, 1654 01:41:06.920 --> 01:41:10.199 why would you pick the one thing that really sets 1655 01:41:10.239 --> 01:41:12.800 people into a into a spurgy frenzy. 1656 01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:15.399 Right, So, and on top of this, because it's such 1657 01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:18.560 a damaging, dangerous passage, I also think that for they're 1658 01:41:18.600 --> 01:41:20.479 not actually allowed to read this for a long time 1659 01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:23.279 unless they're older Jews, and there's some rule about not 1660 01:41:23.319 --> 01:41:28.279 being able to read it until they're so uh or 1661 01:41:28.359 --> 01:41:30.000 or or maybe they're not allowed to talk on it 1662 01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:31.800 in the synagogue. I don't know. There's there's some weird 1663 01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:34.800 structures on it. But what's weird about that is the 1664 01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:39.800 passage is so clear and it even describes the death 1665 01:41:39.800 --> 01:41:43.399 of the anointed one that in the Talmud they have 1666 01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:46.840 a position that there's two messiahs. Right, so you'll hear 1667 01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:48.720 if you hear if you're Jews. The day they'll say 1668 01:41:48.960 --> 01:41:51.960 there's no passage that talks about the death of the Messiah. 1669 01:41:52.399 --> 01:41:52.600 Right. 1670 01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:56.960 However, they're being disingenuous because the Talmud actually says there's 1671 01:41:56.960 --> 01:42:00.000 two Messiahs, one of whom dies. They believe in Massa 1672 01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:03.000 I have been Joseph and Messiah David and one of 1673 01:42:03.039 --> 01:42:06.199 them dies, so they even believe the Messiah dies. But 1674 01:42:06.199 --> 01:42:09.239 to get around these passages they've invented to different Messiahs. 1675 01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:14.960 Yeah, and like with this position of elongating that last week, 1676 01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:21.640 you with all Protestantism, you tie yourself to a certain 1677 01:42:21.680 --> 01:42:27.439 conclusion and then you reverse engineer any interpretation, including you know, 1678 01:42:28.119 --> 01:42:33.399 an uneasy relationship for example of Luther with the Epistle 1679 01:42:33.479 --> 01:42:38.359 of James, because you obviously you need to come to 1680 01:42:38.399 --> 01:42:41.439 this conclusion. So if anything is a bother to it, 1681 01:42:41.960 --> 01:42:44.560 you're going to reject it or at least discredit it. 1682 01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:49.119 And it's a very commonplace thing. So there's no way 1683 01:42:49.159 --> 01:42:51.680 this is saying what it's saying. It has to say 1684 01:42:52.439 --> 01:42:56.399 something that is in line with my expectation. And then 1685 01:42:56.680 --> 01:43:00.479 we have to listen to these exact same people tell 1686 01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:05.600 us how we apply different interpretive schemas in some self 1687 01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:10.840 serving manner. And it's again, there's no such thing as 1688 01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:17.560 plain reading. But if we just read it, it's pretty clear. Now. 1689 01:43:18.399 --> 01:43:20.720 As I said, there's no such thing as plain reading. 1690 01:43:20.760 --> 01:43:24.479 But it works with everything else. It works with Isaiah, 1691 01:43:24.520 --> 01:43:27.279 it works with the psalms we do. 1692 01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:28.199 It's a great point. 1693 01:43:28.279 --> 01:43:31.399 Yeah, yeah, it locks with everything else. 1694 01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:35.680 They believe in the simple, clear perspecuity of scripture, simple 1695 01:43:35.760 --> 01:43:38.520 meaning However, when you get to Daniel nine, oh no, no, no, 1696 01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:41.640 there's this like pause, and it's two thousand years later, 1697 01:43:41.720 --> 01:43:42.479 and it's just crazy. 1698 01:43:42.760 --> 01:43:47.399 Yeah, all of a sudden, perspecuity is gone. And then 1699 01:43:47.439 --> 01:43:51.840 they established some type of hierarchy of what is clear 1700 01:43:52.199 --> 01:43:54.800 isn't what is less clear, and then the more clear 1701 01:43:54.880 --> 01:43:58.840 interprets the less clear. And usually that means, well, what 1702 01:43:58.920 --> 01:44:01.960 agrees with me is more clear, but disagrees with me. 1703 01:44:02.119 --> 01:44:06.319 Should color be colored by what agrees with me? 1704 01:44:06.640 --> 01:44:14.840 That sounds sounds very Islamicism. 1705 01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:15.479 And Judaism all have the same like simple meaning and 1706 01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:16.279 book worship. 1707 01:44:17.119 --> 01:44:20.840 Speaking of not talking about things in public. In the 1708 01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:24.279 last couple of years, there's been a complete collapse in 1709 01:44:24.640 --> 01:44:30.159 the Islamic argument of the miraculous perfect preservation of the Qur'an. 1710 01:44:31.279 --> 01:44:33.439 I don't know how anyone ever got to that point, 1711 01:44:33.479 --> 01:44:37.439 considering what the hadiths say. You know why it was 1712 01:44:37.520 --> 01:44:40.199 codified in the first place was because a lot of 1713 01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:44.439 it was lost with all the reciters. Quran means the recitations, 1714 01:44:44.840 --> 01:44:47.600 you know, all these reciters dying in battle or of 1715 01:44:47.640 --> 01:44:51.760 old age or whatever means of death. So they decide, okay, 1716 01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:54.000 we need to write it down everything we still have. 1717 01:44:54.079 --> 01:44:56.560 We need to write it down and keep it right. 1718 01:44:56.600 --> 01:45:00.079 And that was replete with problems. But a couple of 1719 01:45:00.119 --> 01:45:02.880 years ago, Sneaker's mentor, Mohammed jar. 1720 01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:06.159 He just had a guy on this that it's not 1721 01:45:06.239 --> 01:45:07.039 just a guy. 1722 01:45:07.520 --> 01:45:12.359 That's Yasakadi, his father wrote. His father wrote a book 1723 01:45:12.680 --> 01:45:17.680 on the sciences of the Qur'an. So he's not just 1724 01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:21.640 you know, someone who's well informed. He has a pedigree 1725 01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:25.239 even with these types of things. And there are multiple 1726 01:45:26.720 --> 01:45:31.600 you know, not interviews, but like lectures or things of 1727 01:45:31.960 --> 01:45:36.640 him where he to how should we say, like an 1728 01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:42.560 uneducated audience like plebs. He says, no perfect preservation, you know, 1729 01:45:42.680 --> 01:45:46.800 every dot and no difference. But then when he talks 1730 01:45:46.840 --> 01:45:48.960 to as they call the people of knowledge, which is 1731 01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:52.560 to say, the scholars, it's not that clear. And when 1732 01:45:52.920 --> 01:45:57.279 Job had him on, his Job kept pushing it until 1733 01:45:57.520 --> 01:46:03.560 he said, these things should not be discussed among you know, 1734 01:46:04.039 --> 01:46:09.319 before the masses, Yachi, you shouldn't talk about this. But 1735 01:46:09.880 --> 01:46:12.600 it was just common as filthy commoners here. This is 1736 01:46:12.720 --> 01:46:16.680 something for us highly educated people, which is a very 1737 01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:20.399 very common thing with mystic religions. You know, where you 1738 01:46:20.479 --> 01:46:25.880 get this progressive revelation, so to speak, where you get 1739 01:46:25.920 --> 01:46:28.239 more and more knowledge. This is what you will get, 1740 01:46:28.399 --> 01:46:32.640 as Jay said, you will get it with Islam and Judaism, 1741 01:46:32.760 --> 01:46:38.680 especially with problem parts, and then Protestantism. I don't know, 1742 01:46:39.159 --> 01:46:41.880 they don't do that. They just sort of wing everything, 1743 01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:46.079 and I don't know. It's sort of like you never 1744 01:46:46.199 --> 01:46:49.800 let them know your next move if you can't really predict. 1745 01:46:50.399 --> 01:46:54.000 That's providential that you said that, Parst, because literally I 1746 01:46:54.039 --> 01:46:56.600 had just watched that video two nights ago. I'd never 1747 01:46:56.680 --> 01:46:59.039 seen it in this interview, and I just happened upon 1748 01:46:59.399 --> 01:47:03.079 this interview popped up in my my feed. It's called 1749 01:47:05.800 --> 01:47:09.279 that there's a guy who captured it and kind of 1750 01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:12.520 made a summer summation videos. He's a guy called the 1751 01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:15.439 Friendly ex Muslim. And if you're looking for this video, 1752 01:47:15.479 --> 01:47:18.039 it's called the interview muhammedda Jab tried to hide from 1753 01:47:18.039 --> 01:47:21.439 the World, and it's it's like a twenty minute version 1754 01:47:21.560 --> 01:47:25.800 of what partially talking about. I highly recommend that because 1755 01:47:25.840 --> 01:47:28.600 you'll see like Muhammad Jabs starting to like freak out. 1756 01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:30.119 That's what this guy's saying, right. 1757 01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:32.760 Yeah, yeah, things things. That was a couple of years ago. 1758 01:47:32.920 --> 01:47:35.880 I know David would had like a stream to commemorate 1759 01:47:35.920 --> 01:47:38.920 like four years since the interview, because then they kept 1760 01:47:39.119 --> 01:47:46.600 kept spamming, you know, striking for what copyright copyright ringement, 1761 01:47:47.600 --> 01:47:50.520 people who would clip and repost it yas Caldi did 1762 01:47:50.520 --> 01:47:55.439 that and YouTube obviously obliged, so it's not as easy 1763 01:47:55.479 --> 01:47:59.720 to find, but it did happen. And basically everyone who 1764 01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:05.119 is dealing with anti Islamic polemics state that video, so 1765 01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:07.760 there's no way to delete it. It's just difficult to 1766 01:48:07.880 --> 01:48:11.199 post and people who host it somewhere else. You know, 1767 01:48:11.680 --> 01:48:15.119 it's a very important thing to find, but that has 1768 01:48:15.159 --> 01:48:18.199 been destroyed. Another thing that's been really destroyed as the 1769 01:48:18.199 --> 01:48:24.479 scientific miracles, etc. So it's a religion collapse. They you know, 1770 01:48:25.319 --> 01:48:28.800 strike their chests and pretend like, oh we are strongly 1771 01:48:29.479 --> 01:48:34.000 bit yeh. But no, it's really going poorly for them. 1772 01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:37.159 As I said Albania. We have Albanians in the chat 1773 01:48:38.079 --> 01:48:39.359 recently in. 1774 01:48:39.279 --> 01:48:40.800 The Terrible Terrible People. 1775 01:48:41.760 --> 01:48:42.960 Well I wouldn't call them people. 1776 01:48:45.720 --> 01:48:48.520 Okay, listen one interruption here, Jay, I want to get 1777 01:48:48.520 --> 01:48:51.039 a sense of you and Posha's timeline. I do want 1778 01:48:51.079 --> 01:48:55.199 to get into geopolitics because it's very accessible to my audience. 1779 01:48:55.960 --> 01:48:58.960 This is all important, but dense. I just want to 1780 01:48:58.960 --> 01:49:00.279 get a sense of your time. 1781 01:49:04.119 --> 01:49:05.159 In the sense of the screen. 1782 01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:07.359 Yeah, how much time do you have to because I 1783 01:49:07.399 --> 01:49:11.239 want to you guys have to serve Ja especially okay 1784 01:49:11.399 --> 01:49:14.319 you have beer Jay, especially because I want you here 1785 01:49:14.399 --> 01:49:18.520 to go over the modern implications what we're dealing with 1786 01:49:18.680 --> 01:49:21.279 now in our very cryptic way that we have to 1787 01:49:21.279 --> 01:49:24.640 do it. Probably. I just want to get a sense 1788 01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:27.279 you you can drive when you want to go into that, 1789 01:49:27.279 --> 01:49:30.760 That's what I'm saying. But I just want to give 1790 01:49:30.840 --> 01:49:32.159 enough time for it. 1791 01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:35.560 So that Yeah, if you're limited in time, Yeah, you 1792 01:49:35.640 --> 01:49:37.720 are the expert for the geopolitical aspect. 1793 01:49:37.840 --> 01:49:39.439 Yeah, yeah, I don't want to miss out on that part. 1794 01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:42.680 So well, I wouldn't even say an expert. I mean, 1795 01:49:42.720 --> 01:49:44.840 I just I mean, there's not a whole lot really, 1796 01:49:44.920 --> 01:49:47.920 that's that mysterious thing. It's pretty kind of easy to 1797 01:49:48.159 --> 01:49:51.319 follow and figure out basically, just you know, a lot 1798 01:49:51.319 --> 01:49:56.800 of evangelical uh prophecy writers for many, many years, probably 1799 01:49:56.800 --> 01:49:59.600 going back to the eighties and nineties, and they've had 1800 01:49:59.600 --> 01:50:05.880 a very close relationship with Apak. We have certain figures 1801 01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:09.520 who have written who are Jewish writers, who've written famous 1802 01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:17.000 prophecy books who work closely with foreign nations, shall we say, 1803 01:50:17.720 --> 01:50:21.760 And those are what they typically do in those prophecy books, 1804 01:50:21.760 --> 01:50:24.680 even the fiction books that are very popular, they will 1805 01:50:24.760 --> 01:50:31.000 promote the enemies of America and Jesus is almost always Russians, 1806 01:50:31.600 --> 01:50:35.199 Chinese and they will usually just come yeah, they loosely 1807 01:50:36.079 --> 01:50:39.800 copy paste them onto Gog and may good. Right, there's 1808 01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:43.439 this rabbinic tradition. I think that there's theories about where 1809 01:50:43.479 --> 01:50:46.239 the people groups from the Table of Nations in Genesis 1810 01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:49.199 ten went out into different regions of the world, and 1811 01:50:49.279 --> 01:50:52.199 so Gog and Magog and some of the rabbinic ideas 1812 01:50:52.199 --> 01:50:57.159 are you know, Russians and people like that. Anyway, it's 1813 01:50:57.199 --> 01:50:59.520 a lot of speculation in terms of that stuff, but 1814 01:51:00.079 --> 01:51:05.920 it's utilized in terms of geopolitics to push just anything 1815 01:51:05.960 --> 01:51:12.880 that's against you know, American, Israeli, Atlantis. Okay, interests must 1816 01:51:12.960 --> 01:51:16.800 be one of these predicted prophetic in times that is 1817 01:51:16.840 --> 01:51:17.279 that some point? 1818 01:51:17.960 --> 01:51:22.039 Yeah, yeah, Jay, do you want Bosh real quick before 1819 01:51:22.319 --> 01:51:25.239 we get into geopolitics. Do you want me to continue 1820 01:51:25.319 --> 01:51:29.920 and do any more? Uh more theological It's still interesting 1821 01:51:29.920 --> 01:51:32.079 to me. I like it, the Chat likes it. I 1822 01:51:32.159 --> 01:51:34.760 just want to want to count for your time, Jay 1823 01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:37.840 if okay, okay, we'll keep going. 1824 01:51:39.359 --> 01:51:39.800 Right back. 1825 01:51:40.159 --> 01:51:43.039 Yeah, Posh amazingly doesn't have a catheter. 1826 01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:46.199 Actually, I want to go to the restaurant. I'm actually 1827 01:51:46.199 --> 01:51:48.119 wearing a I don't want to go. 1828 01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:52.600 Gold could go change the diaper. Well, and this is 1829 01:51:52.600 --> 01:51:55.119 a good time to look at some super chats, so 1830 01:51:55.119 --> 01:51:57.520 I don't miss them out. Okay, why did the Muslims 1831 01:51:57.520 --> 01:52:02.119 say that slavery argument like the atheist Well, because FB, 1832 01:52:02.520 --> 01:52:05.359 if you're talking about Daniel or the other dude, they 1833 01:52:05.359 --> 01:52:09.600 don't really have a standard because you know, if you 1834 01:52:09.600 --> 01:52:13.880 saw their argument was not their argument was conceding, even 1835 01:52:13.920 --> 01:52:17.359 with the pedo thing. They were like, well, you guys 1836 01:52:17.359 --> 01:52:19.039 hold this too. That's why they try to pin j 1837 01:52:19.279 --> 01:52:26.359 against Sam by appealing to to Aquinas. And so I 1838 01:52:26.399 --> 01:52:32.479 think I think the Christian and the Muslim have to 1839 01:52:32.640 --> 01:52:37.439 would have to have a debate about that particular item itself, slavery, 1840 01:52:37.520 --> 01:52:41.279 because Christianity like what you call slavery as far as 1841 01:52:41.359 --> 01:52:46.520 like capturing, like for instance, slavery. Let's say there's a 1842 01:52:46.560 --> 01:52:50.960 woman in the wilderness and in the time of of 1843 01:52:54.680 --> 01:52:57.680 like in a time of a horrid circumstance, you find 1844 01:52:57.720 --> 01:53:01.359 a woman in the woods, now, well, a woman. From 1845 01:53:01.359 --> 01:53:04.760 a Christian view, you can you could actually use force 1846 01:53:05.439 --> 01:53:07.680 to pick up the woman, put her in a carriage, 1847 01:53:07.720 --> 01:53:10.520 and remove her from the wilderness. Now would a monern 1848 01:53:10.640 --> 01:53:15.439 person say that slavery acting against autonomy will? Sure, But 1849 01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:19.399 from the Christian view, you're not arguing from you know, 1850 01:53:19.520 --> 01:53:23.840 bodily autonomy and consent at this point, you're arguing from 1851 01:53:23.840 --> 01:53:27.159 a larger position. So this it really brings up the 1852 01:53:27.239 --> 01:53:30.720 question of like, what is even considered the word slavery. Obviously, 1853 01:53:30.720 --> 01:53:35.720 the atheist reddit to her always use slavery incorrectly. They 1854 01:53:35.720 --> 01:53:38.399 always use this modern term of a trans and latic 1855 01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:41.560 slave concept, and then they transpose it into a biblical 1856 01:53:41.680 --> 01:53:45.680 historical context, which is inaccurate. But even if you granted that, 1857 01:53:46.039 --> 01:53:49.640 the atheist still has no justification for why any of 1858 01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:52.800 this is wrong. You know, so they're not even doing 1859 01:53:52.840 --> 01:53:56.119 an internal critique, which Jay and myself and many others. 1860 01:53:56.560 --> 01:53:59.199 I don't know what it's going to take to train 1861 01:53:59.399 --> 01:54:04.840 our oppositeition in this this distinction called an internal critique. 1862 01:54:04.880 --> 01:54:08.159 I don't know what's going on with their minds. I 1863 01:54:08.520 --> 01:54:10.000 don't know how to do. I wish they would do 1864 01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:12.119 it because it's actually more fun to do to debate 1865 01:54:12.159 --> 01:54:15.560 that way. So Jay, you can answer this because you 1866 01:54:15.600 --> 01:54:18.680 were in the debate itself. Why did the Muslim say 1867 01:54:18.680 --> 01:54:21.600 the slavery argument like the atheists, Well, because that's their 1868 01:54:21.680 --> 01:54:23.279 their foundation is just as absent. 1869 01:54:24.439 --> 01:54:26.920 Well, what they tended to have tended to do in 1870 01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:33.720 their approach is utilize anything that an unbelieving higher critical 1871 01:54:33.760 --> 01:54:37.000 scholar or an atheist uses, and so they just kind 1872 01:54:37.039 --> 01:54:39.520 of latch onto any kind of argumentation that they find 1873 01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:42.199 out there. It doesn't matter the source. And this isn't 1874 01:54:42.239 --> 01:54:45.560 really I think a weak a weakness of theirs, because 1875 01:54:46.439 --> 01:54:49.399 for example, when they when they appeal to all these atheists, 1876 01:54:49.439 --> 01:54:52.199 scholars and academics, they don't mention the fact that none 1877 01:54:52.199 --> 01:54:54.600 of those atheist scholars and academics believe in the Qur'an. 1878 01:54:55.000 --> 01:54:58.840 So it's like they only will utilize this argument to attack, 1879 01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:03.479 you know, Christianity. They totally ignore all the same scholars 1880 01:55:03.520 --> 01:55:06.319 talking about how silly the chronic narratives and how deeds are. 1881 01:55:06.359 --> 01:55:10.880 But so they just latch onto whatever's out there. But no, 1882 01:55:11.039 --> 01:55:16.760 I think the laws of Christianity are way more humanitarian 1883 01:55:16.880 --> 01:55:19.600 obviously than the traditional laws of Islam. 1884 01:55:20.039 --> 01:55:23.119 I'd like to make a couple of points on slavery, 1885 01:55:23.319 --> 01:55:29.000 because there was a Protestant guy who said that one 1886 01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:35.039 of the worst missed opportunities for the Council of Nicia 1887 01:55:35.319 --> 01:55:39.560 is that they didn't ban slavery. Now, I don't know 1888 01:55:39.560 --> 01:55:42.920 how we expected that to happen. How a council of 1889 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:47.039 bishops could ban slavery. They could put it forward or something, 1890 01:55:47.079 --> 01:55:54.039 I suppose, But people miss very simple historical realities. It 1891 01:55:54.119 --> 01:55:57.880 wasn't that maybe for the Roman Empire this was different, 1892 01:55:58.279 --> 01:56:01.640 but for most of human history in most places which 1893 01:56:01.680 --> 01:56:06.760 weren't highly highly developed. And then even there, you don't 1894 01:56:06.760 --> 01:56:09.640 get freed from slavery. And then you go and you know, 1895 01:56:09.840 --> 01:56:13.159 start working in a shop. You know, I don't know, 1896 01:56:13.279 --> 01:56:18.680 like never mind, I can't make a joke if I 1897 01:56:18.680 --> 01:56:22.439 can't remember the name of the shop. But you don't 1898 01:56:22.479 --> 01:56:26.840 start your own podcast, you don't start like making your 1899 01:56:26.840 --> 01:56:30.720 own trinkets or something that is not an option, Which 1900 01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:34.920 is why there's a stipulation in the Bible and the 1901 01:56:34.960 --> 01:56:38.920 Mosaic Law that if you want to stay as a slave, 1902 01:56:39.199 --> 01:56:41.680 you know, there's a process for it. You get your pierced, 1903 01:56:41.760 --> 01:56:46.920 and you know, certain signs of it. Why because at 1904 01:56:47.039 --> 01:56:50.840 least you would get food and shelter, which is not 1905 01:56:51.039 --> 01:56:55.079 even a probability if you just go out on your 1906 01:56:55.079 --> 01:56:56.800 own after being a slave. 1907 01:56:57.279 --> 01:57:00.960 I will add really quick, really quick. A basically like 1908 01:57:01.159 --> 01:57:04.039 to reference the woman in the woods during a wartime, 1909 01:57:05.199 --> 01:57:09.560 the modern person who's oh slavery bad Christianity falls. Do 1910 01:57:09.640 --> 01:57:11.279 you think that woman in the woods is going to 1911 01:57:11.319 --> 01:57:13.640 build a treehouse and have some sort of like weird 1912 01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:16.199 only fans from the treehouse and she's gonna make her 1913 01:57:16.239 --> 01:57:18.960 way in the world. No, the man will be like, no, 1914 01:57:19.039 --> 01:57:21.840 I'm going to pluck you from the wilderness, even against 1915 01:57:21.920 --> 01:57:24.119 your will, and I'm going to make a better life 1916 01:57:24.159 --> 01:57:27.760 for you because I'm leading you. So continue posture. 1917 01:57:27.960 --> 01:57:32.600 Right. So, by the way Islam teaches, you know, taking 1918 01:57:32.720 --> 01:57:36.439 sex slaves. That is why they say that the you're 1919 01:57:36.479 --> 01:57:42.079 allowed sex with women you're married to, or what is 1920 01:57:42.159 --> 01:57:45.479 described as that which your right hand possesses. 1921 01:57:47.920 --> 01:57:49.319 Two right hands or one right. 1922 01:57:49.199 --> 01:58:02.279 Hand which one right So mota is basically temporary marriage. 1923 01:58:02.439 --> 01:58:07.239 So it's still considered marriage. Now, the studies will tell 1924 01:58:07.279 --> 01:58:09.800 you that this is a sheer practice. But then again, 1925 01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:13.399 you know, as with all things in Islam, depends on 1926 01:58:13.439 --> 01:58:17.960 whom you ask, but even not that is considered marriage, 1927 01:58:18.920 --> 01:58:21.079 and therefore nika is permitted. 1928 01:58:24.720 --> 01:58:28.880 Sorry sorry, maybe. 1929 01:58:31.000 --> 01:58:39.239 Because you basically said, what's up efforts? But uh uh, 1930 01:58:39.399 --> 01:58:44.199 what I mean is there's no such allowance in Mosaic law, 1931 01:58:44.520 --> 01:58:47.520 even with the women you get who have not yet 1932 01:58:47.560 --> 01:58:51.520 known a man, And that is given only for specific 1933 01:58:52.279 --> 01:58:57.279 campaigns for specific peoples to be specifically punished for the 1934 01:58:57.279 --> 01:59:00.279 most grotesque practices, even amongst. 1935 01:59:00.920 --> 01:59:04.640 And there's something probably going on with the ending of 1936 01:59:04.680 --> 01:59:09.520 that lineage in the in divine providence. That again, what's 1937 01:59:09.520 --> 01:59:13.319 happening in the Old is sure the survival of the 1938 01:59:13.880 --> 01:59:18.279 people to produce them. It's not because they have better 1939 01:59:18.560 --> 01:59:20.159 DNA or something magical DNA. 1940 01:59:20.239 --> 01:59:20.960 Oh yeah. 1941 01:59:21.119 --> 01:59:25.159 So people who are committed to the destruction of Israel 1942 01:59:25.239 --> 01:59:29.000 in the Old Testament period, that's the specific reasons why 1943 01:59:29.039 --> 01:59:33.159 God ends the lineage of those groups. So and it's 1944 01:59:33.199 --> 01:59:35.520 the same principle with the flood as we've talked about 1945 01:59:35.520 --> 01:59:37.520 with the Muslims. I would like to add too, because 1946 01:59:37.520 --> 01:59:39.399 it didn't we didn't actually get the covered in the debate. 1947 01:59:39.439 --> 01:59:43.920 But the Bible in no place allows the Jews or 1948 01:59:43.960 --> 01:59:47.279 Israelizes to grape anyone. So the most saying that you 1949 01:59:47.319 --> 01:59:49.239 can do that. There's no passage that you can. 1950 01:59:49.840 --> 01:59:52.439 They mean like you can take the women who have 1951 01:59:52.479 --> 01:59:54.439 not yet known a man. But it says you give 1952 01:59:54.439 --> 01:59:59.399 them forty days to mourn and then they can decide 1953 01:59:59.439 --> 02:00:04.159 whether to stay with you or not. And right if 1954 02:00:04.359 --> 02:00:08.520 they decide to stay, they shave their head, And which 1955 02:00:08.560 --> 02:00:13.479 is how women would convert to Judaism, what we call Judaism. 1956 02:00:13.520 --> 02:00:17.039 I suppose they would shave their head. You know, can't 1957 02:00:17.039 --> 02:00:23.119 freely circumcize them, A bit difficult, okay, if your Muslim, 1958 02:00:23.119 --> 02:00:26.600 we can, but there's no biblical stipulation for how you 1959 02:00:26.640 --> 02:00:29.720 would circumcize a woman. But that that shaving of the 1960 02:00:29.800 --> 02:00:35.760 head represents like a new start. And if they refuse, 1961 02:00:35.960 --> 02:00:39.399 you have to let them go, and you're forbidden from 1962 02:00:40.079 --> 02:00:44.600 selling them into slavery. Now, the Jews the Israelites at 1963 02:00:44.600 --> 02:00:48.039 this point still it wasn't yet split into North and South. 1964 02:00:48.520 --> 02:00:52.720 So the Israelites, a lot of them didn't follow these rules. 1965 02:00:52.760 --> 02:00:57.880 But that's a different thing. Like people who say, oh, 1966 02:00:57.960 --> 02:01:02.800 we are told the Jews that Israelites were monotheistic, but 1967 02:01:03.039 --> 02:01:08.119 archaeology tells us and what just take the Old Testament, 1968 02:01:08.520 --> 02:01:11.279 you know, and you know, go to a random page 1969 02:01:11.319 --> 02:01:14.399 and put your finger somewhere, go five verses up or down. 1970 02:01:14.479 --> 02:01:19.399 It will say something about Israelites worshiping foreign gods. Right, 1971 02:01:19.479 --> 02:01:23.199 and so the disobedience to the law doesn't mean that 1972 02:01:23.279 --> 02:01:26.680 it's allowed. So God will tolerate a lot of things, 1973 02:01:27.119 --> 02:01:31.600 but he sets out what is the moral expectation. And 1974 02:01:32.239 --> 02:01:35.640 once you fill up the cup of iniquity, as it's 1975 02:01:35.680 --> 02:01:40.359 most often translated, then bad things start to happen. Right, 1976 02:01:40.439 --> 02:01:43.319 So tolerance is done. Now you have to suffer because 1977 02:01:43.359 --> 02:01:47.920 you will not be corrected any other way. So that 1978 02:01:48.000 --> 02:01:52.439 part is clear about the women, but about slavery in general. 1979 02:01:52.479 --> 02:01:55.840 As I said, it wasn't a free market economy. I 1980 02:01:55.840 --> 02:01:59.800 guess in a sense it was because things weren't as interconnected. 1981 02:02:00.279 --> 02:02:02.359 But there was no You would be some type of 1982 02:02:02.439 --> 02:02:04.720 day laborer, right, you would work all. 1983 02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:10.560 Day and free market listen, doesn't I hate to interrupt, 1984 02:02:10.600 --> 02:02:13.800 but I don't want to do it. Haale spin into 1985 02:02:13.880 --> 02:02:18.920 Islam and all that. Let's continue with this guy's dumb position. 1986 02:02:19.119 --> 02:02:24.319 And by this guy, I mean this guy and then 1987 02:02:24.680 --> 02:02:28.279 Jay and and Posh. You can sort of influence when 1988 02:02:28.319 --> 02:02:30.000 you want to get into more modern cakes. 1989 02:02:30.319 --> 02:02:34.399 You should get progressively closer total. 1990 02:02:34.880 --> 02:02:37.039 I mean, look at that. I mean looks like what's 1991 02:02:37.079 --> 02:02:39.760 the movie with Ben ben Stiller where he's a model. 1992 02:02:40.880 --> 02:02:43.199 It's kind of like that, you know, where he's a 1993 02:02:43.199 --> 02:02:46.000 model and he's a camera. Yes, he's. 1994 02:02:48.680 --> 02:02:50.880 He looks offensively irish, by the way. 1995 02:02:51.159 --> 02:02:52.359 He is very irish. 1996 02:02:52.560 --> 02:02:57.079 Yeah, he is some years from the going forth of 1997 02:02:57.159 --> 02:03:00.439 the order to rebuild Jerusalem to the coming of Messiah. 1998 02:03:00.880 --> 02:03:04.079 So many of the thinkers down through history have played 1999 02:03:04.119 --> 02:03:07.039 with these seventy weeks of Daniel, all of them of 2000 02:03:07.079 --> 02:03:12.399 course envisioning that the seventy weeks expire with the advent 2001 02:03:12.479 --> 02:03:15.680 of Messiah and the beginning of the work of Christ 2002 02:03:15.880 --> 02:03:19.279 through his Church and so on. Darby again brings a 2003 02:03:19.399 --> 02:03:23.319 unique idea that the seventieth week is detached from the 2004 02:03:23.319 --> 02:03:26.800 first sixty nine and thrust out somewhere in the future, 2005 02:03:27.159 --> 02:03:30.520 and that seventieth Week of Daniel is actually identical with 2006 02:03:31.079 --> 02:03:35.800 the Great Tribulation. If there's ever a point where Darby's 2007 02:03:35.840 --> 02:03:40.319 analysis has been almost universally criticized by non dispensationalists, it's 2008 02:03:40.319 --> 02:03:43.279 here because at least the general assessment is there is 2009 02:03:43.359 --> 02:03:49.720 absolutely no exegetical justification for detaching the seventieth week from 2010 02:03:49.800 --> 02:03:54.119 the first sixty nine. It is a somewhat arbitrary construction. 2011 02:03:53.920 --> 02:03:56.920 But it yeah, he has to do that to make 2012 02:03:56.960 --> 02:03:57.359 it work. 2013 02:03:58.560 --> 02:04:00.279 And by the way, every time you hit it, how'd 2014 02:04:00.319 --> 02:04:04.039 this unique take? I should tell you everything you need 2015 02:04:04.119 --> 02:04:04.279 to know. 2016 02:04:05.159 --> 02:04:10.359 Sixty nine does make seem hang together better to view 2017 02:04:10.399 --> 02:04:10.880 it that way. 2018 02:04:10.960 --> 02:04:12.119 So that's what he does. 2019 02:04:12.840 --> 02:04:17.600 The church is raptured out before the tribulation. Now, this 2020 02:04:17.720 --> 02:04:21.840 again was a notion that seems to have been borrowed 2021 02:04:22.319 --> 02:04:25.600 from Edward Irving. We talked about him a couple of 2022 02:04:25.680 --> 02:04:29.119 weeks ago, and at least there's fairly good documentation that 2023 02:04:29.279 --> 02:04:33.880 Edward Irving got the idea of a tribulation period and 2024 02:04:33.920 --> 02:04:37.479 a church being raptured out in an ecstatic utterance from 2025 02:04:37.479 --> 02:04:39.039 a young woman named Margaret. 2026 02:04:38.840 --> 02:04:42.119 MacDonald and one of his somewhat pentecostal uh J. 2027 02:04:45.760 --> 02:04:48.680 Why, I'm sorry you may have said this, but why 2028 02:04:48.800 --> 02:04:51.760 was it the week before and not like sixty eight 2029 02:04:51.840 --> 02:04:54.600 or something like why wasn't it two weeks? Did you 2030 02:04:54.720 --> 02:04:55.399 clarify that? 2031 02:04:56.159 --> 02:04:56.239 Like? 2032 02:04:56.279 --> 02:05:00.199 What was the why the last week? 2033 02:05:00.199 --> 02:05:02.840 The last week is the one that's the where all 2034 02:05:02.880 --> 02:05:06.119 the heavy crazy stuff happens. Oh, let me read this 2035 02:05:06.159 --> 02:05:08.399 passage if you don't mind, it's not long. Do you 2036 02:05:08.439 --> 02:05:08.920 want me to read it? 2037 02:05:09.479 --> 02:05:09.640 Yeah? 2038 02:05:09.680 --> 02:05:11.239 Yeah, do it, man, I'm open here. 2039 02:05:11.439 --> 02:05:16.000 Okay. So basically, it says all of the measure of 2040 02:05:16.159 --> 02:05:19.479 the sins are going to be fulfilled and everything finished 2041 02:05:19.520 --> 02:05:23.640 and determined within this period of seventy weeks, which is 2042 02:05:23.680 --> 02:05:27.880 not it's four hundred and ninety years, it's weeks of years. Okay. 2043 02:05:29.720 --> 02:05:35.119 It will finish sin, wipe out lawlessness, the tone for wrongdoing, 2044 02:05:35.479 --> 02:05:39.119 bring righteousness, seal up vision and prophecy, and anoint the 2045 02:05:39.159 --> 02:05:42.359 Holy One. You will know that there will be from 2046 02:05:42.359 --> 02:05:45.079 the know that from the going forth of the word 2047 02:05:45.159 --> 02:05:47.800 to rebuild Jerusalem. Now, this is the part that's somewhat 2048 02:05:47.840 --> 02:05:51.279 debated because we have to go to different texts and 2049 02:05:51.319 --> 02:05:56.279 look at Ezra to figure out when the most people 2050 02:05:56.319 --> 02:05:59.880 think artistser Sees commissioned Ezra to rebuild the temple and 2051 02:06:00.000 --> 02:06:05.439 four fifty eight BC, which is second Ezra seven, seven 2052 02:06:05.439 --> 02:06:08.239 and eight in the Orthodox study level. Okay, so there's 2053 02:06:08.239 --> 02:06:11.479 some debate over that, but we'll skip that debate this 2054 02:06:11.880 --> 02:06:15.560 for this point, because the main point is that all 2055 02:06:15.600 --> 02:06:18.159 of this is happening in this final seven years of 2056 02:06:18.199 --> 02:06:20.760 the four hundred and ninety years. Right. You will know 2057 02:06:20.800 --> 02:06:22.920 therefore and understand that from the going forth to build 2058 02:06:22.920 --> 02:06:28.840 the Temple, to rebuild the Temple and rebuild Jerusalem, that Christ, 2059 02:06:29.159 --> 02:06:33.199 the Messiah, the Prince, there will be seventy weeks, and 2060 02:06:33.199 --> 02:06:36.840 I'm going to skip down to the final week. After these, 2061 02:06:37.399 --> 02:06:40.079 the anointed One will be put to death and there 2062 02:06:40.079 --> 02:06:44.439 will be no judgment for him, and he will destroy 2063 02:06:44.479 --> 02:06:47.079 the city and the sanctuary with the Prince who is coming, 2064 02:06:47.479 --> 02:06:50.119 and they shall cut off with a flood and end 2065 02:06:50.279 --> 02:06:54.199 the war with an end of war. And this will 2066 02:06:54.199 --> 02:06:58.479 put the city, appoint the city to desolation. But know 2067 02:06:58.600 --> 02:07:02.359 this that he will make a covenant, and in the 2068 02:07:02.439 --> 02:07:05.079 middle of that covenant, the sacrifice and the and the 2069 02:07:05.119 --> 02:07:07.720 offering will be taken away, and there will be an 2070 02:07:07.720 --> 02:07:12.680 abomination of desolation in the temple and an end that 2071 02:07:12.800 --> 02:07:17.199 is appointed. So basically we interpret that as Christians, as Orthodox, 2072 02:07:17.359 --> 02:07:22.119 especially that the Messiah fulfills these things in that last week, 2073 02:07:23.279 --> 02:07:26.079 that last seven years of his time frame of being 2074 02:07:26.079 --> 02:07:28.960 a minister, and then the destruction of the Temple. It's 2075 02:07:29.000 --> 02:07:33.880 all encapsulated under this last in other words, the first Coming, 2076 02:07:33.920 --> 02:07:35.800 the First Coming fulfills these prophecies. 2077 02:07:36.800 --> 02:07:40.000 Okay, so Jay, it sounds like it makes total sense 2078 02:07:40.039 --> 02:07:42.520 you'd hold off on that week because if you stop 2079 02:07:42.560 --> 02:07:45.159 it at the sixty nine week and have an arbitrary pause, 2080 02:07:45.760 --> 02:07:49.239 you can keep waiting and waiting and have control over 2081 02:07:50.000 --> 02:07:54.000 that final like basically any time between sixty nine weeks 2082 02:07:54.079 --> 02:07:57.319 and the rest of the world. You're basically correct. Like 2083 02:07:57.359 --> 02:08:00.319 Pasha said, You're just always right because you've hit a 2084 02:08:00.520 --> 02:08:03.399 our arbitrary pause, so you can just keep manipulating real 2085 02:08:03.439 --> 02:08:08.720 time events, smuggling them into your dispensational view. And because 2086 02:08:08.760 --> 02:08:12.039 you hit pause, you could you'll never be wrong. You'll 2087 02:08:12.039 --> 02:08:15.000 never be a wrong profit in a sense right because 2088 02:08:15.039 --> 02:08:17.039 because things never could come to pass, because you have 2089 02:08:17.079 --> 02:08:20.359 to hit unpause eventually on the on the on the 2090 02:08:20.680 --> 02:08:24.800 play deck there. So it's that seems very deliberate to me. 2091 02:08:25.840 --> 02:08:28.800 Yea, not only what you just forgot that the Epistle 2092 02:08:28.840 --> 02:08:31.479 of Barnabas, which is not canonical but it's a very 2093 02:08:31.479 --> 02:08:36.079 early testament to the views of the early Church, observes 2094 02:08:36.119 --> 02:08:38.000 that this pass was fulfilled when the temple and the 2095 02:08:38.000 --> 02:08:40.840 sanctuary destroyed in seventy eight. Marnabas points out that a 2096 02:08:40.880 --> 02:08:43.520 true temple was built the body of Christ during this 2097 02:08:43.600 --> 02:08:47.680 time period. Seventy weeks is determined to mean seventy weeks 2098 02:08:47.680 --> 02:08:49.680 of years or four un or ninety years. The prophecy 2099 02:08:49.720 --> 02:08:54.119 applies to Jeremiah's seventy years from Jeremiah nine to twenty 2100 02:08:54.159 --> 02:08:56.600 five eleven, and it says, according to Saint Hipolotists, the 2101 02:08:56.640 --> 02:08:59.039 vision concerns the time when the temple would be rebuilt 2102 02:08:59.640 --> 02:09:02.800 as well as the coming of the Messiah. And then 2103 02:09:03.039 --> 02:09:05.720 our desercees commissions Ezra to rebuild the temple in four 2104 02:09:05.840 --> 02:09:09.399 fifty eight PC. So yeah, it's a little confusing with 2105 02:09:09.479 --> 02:09:12.399 the Weird Week's terminology, but that's what. 2106 02:09:12.399 --> 02:09:14.000 Was going on, gotcha. 2107 02:09:15.199 --> 02:09:19.039 Little style meetings. You know, it was not developed by 2108 02:09:19.119 --> 02:09:19.760 Edward Irving. 2109 02:09:19.800 --> 02:09:23.439 He didn't work out in elaborate eschatology, but that kernel 2110 02:09:23.800 --> 02:09:27.520 may have been the most important triggering idea in the 2111 02:09:27.560 --> 02:09:30.279 whole thought of Darby, and he took that and ran 2112 02:09:30.359 --> 02:09:33.560 with it a long way. And so it was this 2113 02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:38.640 pre tribulation rapture that and since became the seed out 2114 02:09:38.640 --> 02:09:41.720 of which so much of the rest of his eschatological 2115 02:09:41.880 --> 02:09:45.239 schematic was developed. So the church is not only raptured 2116 02:09:45.239 --> 02:09:50.920 out before the millennium, actually before this tribulation period. Most 2117 02:09:50.920 --> 02:09:53.760 of the Book of Revelation, according to Darby, is describing 2118 02:09:53.880 --> 02:09:58.640 events in the future that occurred during this tribulation period. 2119 02:09:59.079 --> 02:10:00.319 This is what's called the. 2120 02:10:00.119 --> 02:10:04.439 Futurist view of revelation, that is describing events in the future. 2121 02:10:04.479 --> 02:10:07.479 We've looked at the historicist view in some details. 2122 02:10:08.119 --> 02:10:09.119 There's other views that. 2123 02:10:09.079 --> 02:10:13.880 Were much less influential, the preterorist views these Revelation largely 2124 02:10:13.920 --> 02:10:18.159 describing events taking place in the first century. Darby becomes 2125 02:10:18.159 --> 02:10:22.560 the most famous of the futurist approaches to revelation. 2126 02:10:23.000 --> 02:10:27.439 Now I want to pause there. Futurists, is that like 2127 02:10:27.520 --> 02:10:30.479 this view, that you contrive it and make it happen, 2128 02:10:31.319 --> 02:10:34.720 like an accelerationist view, or is futurist view in this 2129 02:10:34.760 --> 02:10:39.279 context something a little bit different, where it's just describing 2130 02:10:40.119 --> 02:10:43.920 the chronology and it's not a matter of contriving and trying. 2131 02:10:43.720 --> 02:10:49.000 To make describing the preterism versus futurism. So basically there's 2132 02:10:49.000 --> 02:10:54.479 three views on dating, and there's preterorist, historicist, and futurist. Now, 2133 02:10:54.520 --> 02:10:57.880 creditist believes that much of the passages are fulfilled in 2134 02:10:57.920 --> 02:11:01.119 seventy eight or before, and that there might also be 2135 02:11:01.159 --> 02:11:05.560 a future fulfillment. But historicists believes that, for example, the 2136 02:11:05.560 --> 02:11:08.239 Book of Revelation is talking about the whole history of 2137 02:11:08.239 --> 02:11:11.720 the Church. A lot of Protestant Reformers were famously historicists. 2138 02:11:11.720 --> 02:11:16.680 Many Catholic Jesuit theologians have been historicists, and they kind 2139 02:11:16.680 --> 02:11:19.359 of see like random sort of stuff like you'll see 2140 02:11:19.399 --> 02:11:23.359 Roman Catholics say, oh, Revelation twelve, that was the Middle 2141 02:11:23.399 --> 02:11:26.119 Ages when the blah blah blah or whatever. They're just 2142 02:11:26.159 --> 02:11:29.079 sort of assigned random church history stuff to the Book 2143 02:11:29.079 --> 02:11:32.079 of Revelation. And then futurists is this these people? So 2144 02:11:32.239 --> 02:11:35.960 all pre millennialists are futurists, but not all pre millenninists 2145 02:11:36.000 --> 02:11:37.239 are dispensations. 2146 02:11:37.239 --> 02:11:38.199 Gotcha. 2147 02:11:37.720 --> 02:11:37.880 Ok. 2148 02:11:39.319 --> 02:11:42.439 During that time, a character known as the Anti Christ 2149 02:11:42.640 --> 02:11:45.000 is going to dominate in the world. He comes in 2150 02:11:45.079 --> 02:11:47.279 originally as a kind of champion of peace. 2151 02:11:48.199 --> 02:11:50.239 He makes best any creations of the. 2152 02:11:50.159 --> 02:11:54.119 World, essentially putting himself in a position of worldwide prestige. 2153 02:11:54.600 --> 02:11:58.439 He makes packs, including a pact with Israel. But then 2154 02:11:58.520 --> 02:12:00.800 in the middle of this tribulation three and a half 2155 02:12:00.880 --> 02:12:02.199 years in, he violates. 2156 02:12:02.239 --> 02:12:04.680 He breaches that agreement, committing. 2157 02:12:04.359 --> 02:12:07.439 A sacrilegious act at a temple that of course, has 2158 02:12:07.479 --> 02:12:09.800 to be rebuilt before any of these could take place, 2159 02:12:10.319 --> 02:12:12.399 and that gives rise then to three and a half 2160 02:12:12.560 --> 02:12:16.920 years of horrific conditions in the world, culminating in a 2161 02:12:16.920 --> 02:12:20.439 great battle the scri er mentioned in Revelation sixteen called 2162 02:12:20.479 --> 02:12:22.079 the Battle of Armageddon. 2163 02:12:22.319 --> 02:12:24.439 Now, I want to just note as we move into 2164 02:12:24.600 --> 02:12:29.600 the modern cultural context of all this, is that there 2165 02:12:30.199 --> 02:12:33.880 the dispensationalist view allows for seeing someone like Donald Trump 2166 02:12:34.039 --> 02:12:37.039 or anyone else in the arena. As you can take 2167 02:12:37.079 --> 02:12:39.880 the view that he's the evil one. You could also 2168 02:12:39.920 --> 02:12:42.800 take the view that he's the scent angelical one, and 2169 02:12:43.439 --> 02:12:47.079 they're both have some they both have some elasticity to 2170 02:12:47.159 --> 02:12:49.399 them if you hold this view. So that's what's kind 2171 02:12:49.399 --> 02:12:51.760 of that's what you see in the meme world right. 2172 02:12:51.800 --> 02:12:54.399 Posh mentioned the hat the mark of the Beast is 2173 02:12:54.640 --> 02:12:57.560 make America great again. But then other people take the 2174 02:12:57.640 --> 02:12:59.960 view that Donald Trump is in fact the anti crime 2175 02:13:00.199 --> 02:13:02.560 because he's going to make a pact and he supports Israel. 2176 02:13:02.600 --> 02:13:04.640 But then he's gonna you know, all this stuff. And 2177 02:13:04.720 --> 02:13:08.199 it's just interesting that the elasticity that it gives you 2178 02:13:08.239 --> 02:13:13.399 to hold this position, because to point out out again 2179 02:13:13.520 --> 02:13:16.920 that sixty nine week pause button really allows for any 2180 02:13:16.960 --> 02:13:20.800 sort of crafting and writing in between. Anything you want 2181 02:13:20.800 --> 02:13:23.439 to add to that, because I just you know, all 2182 02:13:23.479 --> 02:13:26.119 of these things he's saying, I can't help to be 2183 02:13:26.880 --> 02:13:31.520 triggered into the morass of modern culture, geopolitics, and all 2184 02:13:31.560 --> 02:13:34.439 the takes that we're engaging with daily. 2185 02:13:34.640 --> 02:13:41.800 So anything, I would like to restate what I said 2186 02:13:41.840 --> 02:13:45.800 earlier that it's great for them because you basically occupy 2187 02:13:45.920 --> 02:13:46.760 both sides. 2188 02:13:46.520 --> 02:13:47.319 Of the dialectic. 2189 02:13:48.279 --> 02:13:52.159 You can say, oh, Trump is the Antichrist because look 2190 02:13:52.159 --> 02:13:55.560 at him, he is a woman and eyes. He has 2191 02:13:55.640 --> 02:13:58.920 worked in like New York real estate, so you can imagine, 2192 02:13:59.119 --> 02:14:02.399 you know, there's been so if the thing's going on there, 2193 02:14:03.199 --> 02:14:07.760 et cetera. But you can then have like religious leaders 2194 02:14:07.800 --> 02:14:12.800 who stood by him. You know, God uses imperfect people glory, 2195 02:14:12.920 --> 02:14:18.359 you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, you could do anything. And 2196 02:14:18.399 --> 02:14:20.920 then you have like the Orthodox position is you pray 2197 02:14:21.000 --> 02:14:25.199 for those who are leading the country, right because they 2198 02:14:25.600 --> 02:14:28.319 everyone needs prayer. We all need prayer, We all need 2199 02:14:28.520 --> 02:14:32.640 mercy and grace. So you know, we don't know, he 2200 02:14:32.720 --> 02:14:36.119 could be, he could not be. Not ours to calculate 2201 02:14:36.359 --> 02:14:42.880 some pseudo geometrio or whatever. We we deal with what 2202 02:14:42.920 --> 02:14:47.199 we have. You know, Christ says you to pilot. You know, 2203 02:14:47.439 --> 02:14:49.680 you wouldn't have this authority unless it was granted to 2204 02:14:49.680 --> 02:14:56.279 you by my father. So we are granted certain predicaments 2205 02:14:56.560 --> 02:14:59.560 and we are to endure them in the most Christian 2206 02:14:59.600 --> 02:15:03.279 way we can. But that's not fun enough, you see. 2207 02:15:04.439 --> 02:15:08.680 But it's this beauty of you know, holding both sides 2208 02:15:08.680 --> 02:15:12.079 of the dialectic and then you know, run them through 2209 02:15:12.159 --> 02:15:14.640 whichever side you'd like, depending on how you think of them. 2210 02:15:14.760 --> 02:15:17.720 You know how many people have thought Obama was the 2211 02:15:17.760 --> 02:15:22.439 antis Of course there are still still people hanging on 2212 02:15:23.119 --> 02:15:28.079 to that thought. So you can't really reason with it 2213 02:15:28.119 --> 02:15:33.279 because it's not not just motivated thinking, but it's even 2214 02:15:33.600 --> 02:15:38.760 super objective motivated thinking because it's not just objective, it's 2215 02:15:38.880 --> 02:15:43.000 the word of God that says that. So it's even 2216 02:15:43.600 --> 02:15:50.039 higher than objective truth. And then like all the Anabaptists, 2217 02:15:50.119 --> 02:15:54.279 like all like Jehovah's witnesses, you know, you're just all 2218 02:15:54.319 --> 02:15:58.520 like climate change, and you know, you just know it's ending, 2219 02:15:58.560 --> 02:16:00.000 it's ending, and it doesn't end it just. 2220 02:16:01.319 --> 02:16:04.399 Yeah, I'm going to point to the last three here, 2221 02:16:04.720 --> 02:16:07.840 Posh and Jay, is that even what you just said 2222 02:16:08.079 --> 02:16:12.000 kind of brings this up is that the Antichrist from 2223 02:16:12.039 --> 02:16:15.840 this dispensational view really reduces to not a spirit, a 2224 02:16:16.960 --> 02:16:21.640 sort of proclivity to a rebellion or something like a 2225 02:16:21.680 --> 02:16:25.760 spirit of Antichrist versus a unique person with a name. 2226 02:16:25.960 --> 02:16:28.359 Now I want to reconcile this for the chat because 2227 02:16:28.359 --> 02:16:31.439 it's interesting. What would be the difference between a pre 2228 02:16:32.159 --> 02:16:36.399 a dispensationalist view of Antichrist as a distinction versus an Orthodox, 2229 02:16:36.520 --> 02:16:39.799 let's say, in this case, view of Antichrist, because because 2230 02:16:39.799 --> 02:16:42.840 it seems to be they hold the comic book view 2231 02:16:42.920 --> 02:16:46.319 where you have to reduce Antichrist to a very specific 2232 02:16:46.479 --> 02:16:50.440 kind of person and it doesn't include the spirit of Antichrist. 2233 02:16:50.600 --> 02:16:51.559 Now is that different? 2234 02:16:51.799 --> 02:16:52.000 Right? 2235 02:16:52.360 --> 02:16:54.200 It seems like a good distinction to explore. 2236 02:16:54.559 --> 02:16:57.920 They focus, so they hyper focus on you know, that 2237 02:16:58.040 --> 02:17:02.000 individual and his power or what ever. And uh, you know, 2238 02:17:02.600 --> 02:17:06.760 for us, the false prophet is just as important as well, 2239 02:17:06.840 --> 02:17:09.719 because the false prophet is the leader of a false 2240 02:17:09.760 --> 02:17:13.920 religion that promotes Antichrist. So both of those figures are 2241 02:17:14.000 --> 02:17:17.680 are really important. And you couldn't have Antichrist without the 2242 02:17:17.719 --> 02:17:22.440 false prophet promoting the spirit of Antichrist, right, like a 2243 02:17:22.440 --> 02:17:26.280 mimic Messiah and a mimic Church and a memic Holy Spirit. 2244 02:17:26.399 --> 02:17:30.120 So it's a it's an inverted kind of trinity basically. 2245 02:17:30.239 --> 02:17:33.399 Got you. But the from from a let's say, from 2246 02:17:33.440 --> 02:17:37.479 an Orthodox view, the spirit of Antichrist could exist and 2247 02:17:37.760 --> 02:17:42.959 something we can use in reference without the personification in. 2248 02:17:43.040 --> 02:17:45.760 Flesh, right, because it's already at work. 2249 02:17:46.280 --> 02:17:48.799 Right, Yeah, So that seems to be a distinct Christ. 2250 02:17:48.879 --> 02:17:51.200 Is anyone denying the incarnation and. 2251 02:17:51.200 --> 02:17:53.200 John many have already come, right. 2252 02:17:53.520 --> 02:17:55.959 So gravy, gravy. 2253 02:17:56.360 --> 02:17:58.559 But but even people who go with like six sixty 2254 02:17:58.559 --> 02:18:02.079 six or six one six, are you gonna rendered Nero? 2255 02:18:03.120 --> 02:18:07.120 You know? Uh, that's not to say Nero is some 2256 02:18:07.479 --> 02:18:14.040 guy who is this Ultimateieval. He is the archetype of 2257 02:18:14.079 --> 02:18:17.319 the evil. He is the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. 2258 02:18:17.360 --> 02:18:21.360 Now keep in mind there's another key indicator that only 2259 02:18:21.479 --> 02:18:25.159 Orthodox have an insight into, because if in third Maccabee's 2260 02:18:25.239 --> 02:18:29.479 chapter one, it mentions the fact that Ptolemy, who is 2261 02:18:29.520 --> 02:18:33.520 a type of Antichrist, just like Nero, just like uh, 2262 02:18:33.760 --> 02:18:38.920 these other rulers are. Ptolemy mandates that in order to 2263 02:18:39.000 --> 02:18:41.399 buy or sell you have to take the mark of 2264 02:18:41.399 --> 02:18:44.159 the ancient mysteries of Dionysius. So you have to get 2265 02:18:44.200 --> 02:18:47.600 this leath tattoo or mark in order to buy or sell. 2266 02:18:47.680 --> 02:18:49.920 And so when John talks about the mark to buy 2267 02:18:50.000 --> 02:18:54.479 or sell, it's the same spirit Ptolemy had that now 2268 02:18:54.559 --> 02:18:58.040 Nero's having, and presumably also will be the spirit used 2269 02:18:58.079 --> 02:19:00.239 at the end. Whenever the end is, there'll be some 2270 02:19:00.360 --> 02:19:05.920 kind of attempt to control all economic transactions and so forth, 2271 02:19:06.159 --> 02:19:07.440 food and so forth too. 2272 02:19:07.600 --> 02:19:11.959 Yeah, and important to mention is that there's also saying 2273 02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:15.920 that this is the church basically offers a counter to it. 2274 02:19:16.000 --> 02:19:20.360 So it's not going to be, you know, a medical procedure. 2275 02:19:20.600 --> 02:19:22.959 You know, your local priest isn't going to get the 2276 02:19:24.399 --> 02:19:30.319 Holy Jabbies or something, or you know, in Greece there 2277 02:19:30.399 --> 02:19:34.280 was a whole mess a couple of decades ago with 2278 02:19:34.479 --> 02:19:38.639 barcodes because they thought, oh, you need these lines to 2279 02:19:38.760 --> 02:19:43.600 buy stuff. Right, So, you know, Orthodoxy isn't fully immune 2280 02:19:43.639 --> 02:19:48.600 to nonsense because people really like flashy things. They like 2281 02:19:49.040 --> 02:19:51.840 things that are easy to grasp and very they like 2282 02:19:51.879 --> 02:19:56.479 the immediacy of it, which is again wrong and unwise 2283 02:19:56.639 --> 02:19:59.920 and should not be calculated by these pathetic means. But 2284 02:20:02.239 --> 02:20:06.840 it's it's history plays out, and if you're going to 2285 02:20:07.000 --> 02:20:12.040 use certain like the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Canaan ideities. 2286 02:20:12.639 --> 02:20:16.879 You know that that's the image that is used to 2287 02:20:17.000 --> 02:20:19.799 show it to people back in that day. So like 2288 02:20:19.959 --> 02:20:24.680 terminologies used in certain ways, we need to maintain that usage. 2289 02:20:24.760 --> 02:20:29.360 That This is why pern is so important. The phone 2290 02:20:29.600 --> 02:20:32.639 of the church is that you need to maintain the 2291 02:20:32.680 --> 02:20:36.600 original meaning and take it on. And you know, if 2292 02:20:36.719 --> 02:20:38.760 you need to change the word, change the word, but 2293 02:20:38.840 --> 02:20:42.840 don't change the meaning, but keep the graphemes and the phonemes, 2294 02:20:42.879 --> 02:20:50.719 that that's pointless. And this is why this apocalypticism that's 2295 02:20:51.040 --> 02:20:54.079 there's been prevalent for the last couple of centuries among 2296 02:20:55.079 --> 02:20:59.760 certain strands of Protestantism are so powerful because it seems 2297 02:21:00.239 --> 02:21:04.479 correct even though you've actually moved from the meanings of 2298 02:21:04.520 --> 02:21:07.799 the words that are used and the symbols that are used, 2299 02:21:08.719 --> 02:21:13.440 so it bears no resemblance to the original. You know, 2300 02:21:13.600 --> 02:21:19.680 like Yon Mathis rode out like with like a dozen 2301 02:21:19.719 --> 02:21:23.000 people into thousands of soldiers and believed he would get victory. 2302 02:21:23.680 --> 02:21:27.600 Obviously loses. Does that stop his cult? No? They because 2303 02:21:27.600 --> 02:21:31.120 he was chopped up and his head put on a pike. 2304 02:21:31.799 --> 02:21:35.159 I think his genitals were nailed to city gates or whatever. 2305 02:21:35.639 --> 02:21:41.479 But why does that make you so happy? 2306 02:21:43.799 --> 02:21:47.319 I'm only two piers and I'm not too happy. But no, 2307 02:21:47.920 --> 02:21:51.719 it's funny because you think it would stop the cult. 2308 02:21:51.840 --> 02:21:54.879 It doesn't. They go and gather pieces of him into 2309 02:21:54.920 --> 02:21:58.600 baskets and then wait for him to resurrect. Right, So 2310 02:22:00.079 --> 02:22:04.000 you would think that they would be, you know, somehow 2311 02:22:04.680 --> 02:22:09.920 corrected by the events unfolding in front of them. But no, 2312 02:22:10.040 --> 02:22:13.440 it doesn't. They just recalibrate and move on. 2313 02:22:14.559 --> 02:22:19.239 Are you guys okay? Moving in jay specifically geopolitics, modern 2314 02:22:19.319 --> 02:22:26.200 implications effects of this shit view? Would you like to 2315 02:22:26.200 --> 02:22:27.319 do that technic? 2316 02:22:28.360 --> 02:22:28.559 Yeah? 2317 02:22:29.000 --> 02:22:31.959 You well, because you know, because we're dealing with, you know, 2318 02:22:32.239 --> 02:22:36.520 the Boomer. I think the boomers are really the I 2319 02:22:36.559 --> 02:22:38.600 don't want to call them victims because they did it 2320 02:22:38.639 --> 02:22:41.360 to themselves, but they really kind of ran with this view, 2321 02:22:41.799 --> 02:22:46.120 and the ones that are left are still proponents of 2322 02:22:46.120 --> 02:22:48.760 the view, and they're they're in positions of power and 2323 02:22:48.799 --> 02:22:51.520 what I'm if you guys are wondering what kind of 2324 02:22:51.559 --> 02:22:54.280 like person I'm referring to, this is a good clip 2325 02:22:54.399 --> 02:22:57.239 to kind of to sort of show you who I'm 2326 02:22:57.280 --> 02:22:57.879 talking about. 2327 02:23:00.079 --> 02:23:06.200 Country going to hell in a handbasket, don't what the 2328 02:23:06.280 --> 02:23:08.319 cut who we had great. 2329 02:23:09.360 --> 02:23:12.000 Is that's the that's the kind of spirit of it. 2330 02:23:12.639 --> 02:23:16.479 And before we get into the geopolitics, Jay just to 2331 02:23:16.600 --> 02:23:19.520 demonstrate it with another video, kind of the kind of 2332 02:23:19.719 --> 02:23:23.680 mess that is produced by this view for people who 2333 02:23:23.760 --> 02:23:26.440 don't even call themselves Christians. I think this is a 2334 02:23:26.479 --> 02:23:29.879 fascinating clip. We can run off this and Jay and 2335 02:23:29.879 --> 02:23:31.639 and Pasha, you can take it where you will, but 2336 02:23:31.719 --> 02:23:35.600 this is I found this clip fascinating to really demonstrate 2337 02:23:35.680 --> 02:23:38.799 the impact of this view and how what it looks 2338 02:23:38.840 --> 02:23:49.920 like and the kind of confusion it creates. 2339 02:23:51.360 --> 02:23:54.600 This is what calls the actions. 2340 02:24:00.559 --> 02:24:04.079 Really that Yeah, yeah, we lived in love a beautiful prison. 2341 02:24:04.159 --> 02:24:04.959 Want to sleep people? 2342 02:24:05.000 --> 02:24:09.600 They was there? 2343 02:24:09.719 --> 02:24:15.120 Yeah, it was not a count. 2344 02:24:14.920 --> 02:24:15.799 Nothing, And. 2345 02:24:17.879 --> 02:24:23.239 Help me say that you're jealous. You know you do 2346 02:24:23.399 --> 02:24:24.120 anything from. 2347 02:24:24.200 --> 02:24:24.840 A count. 2348 02:24:28.040 --> 02:24:30.399 And I can do as world. 2349 02:24:31.360 --> 02:24:33.360 How they saying that because they believe. 2350 02:24:34.399 --> 02:24:36.520 So we're telling again, I don't want you doing. 2351 02:24:36.360 --> 02:24:36.799 A girl. 2352 02:24:38.879 --> 02:24:39.079 Either. 2353 02:24:39.120 --> 02:24:40.200 Other you're going. 2354 02:24:41.239 --> 02:24:47.799 Say, yeah, also, learn. 2355 02:24:49.719 --> 02:24:50.920 Your person. 2356 02:24:54.319 --> 02:24:55.799 A TV. 2357 02:24:58.239 --> 02:25:42.360 Yelling no I'm Jewish, No you're she's just flabberty to 2358 02:25:42.440 --> 02:25:48.600 your monsters. Thinks yeah he's got she's got the little 2359 02:25:48.639 --> 02:25:49.040 gay guy. 2360 02:25:49.120 --> 02:25:52.479 Next, Yeah, but when I get into faces and shout 2361 02:25:52.600 --> 02:25:55.920 you are Jewish like this, then I'm somehow bad? 2362 02:25:56.319 --> 02:26:00.719 You're terrible? Yeah, so so Jay and Posh. That image 2363 02:26:00.799 --> 02:26:04.360 right there really sort of demonstrates the sort of catastrophe 2364 02:26:04.760 --> 02:26:07.600 in the views collapsing and that that they don't even 2365 02:26:07.639 --> 02:26:09.840 know what it means to say Jewish, or they don't 2366 02:26:09.840 --> 02:26:12.920 know what it means to say supportive Israel. It's all, 2367 02:26:13.639 --> 02:26:17.440 it's all completely ripped apart, and watching that view, it's 2368 02:26:17.559 --> 02:26:22.120 partially funny but also horrifying. I gotta say, I'm so 2369 02:26:22.200 --> 02:26:25.280 happy to be on track to be in the church 2370 02:26:26.479 --> 02:26:29.559 because it makes sense of all of this. You're not confused. 2371 02:26:29.639 --> 02:26:31.680 You look at this too. You could actually look at 2372 02:26:31.680 --> 02:26:34.600 that woman as a cultural New York Jew or wherever 2373 02:26:34.680 --> 02:26:37.520 she is, and she thinks Jewish is Jewish. And then 2374 02:26:37.559 --> 02:26:40.639 the Orthodo, the Ortho Bagels as I call them, they're like, 2375 02:26:41.079 --> 02:26:43.719 what are you talking about? Like we don't even agree 2376 02:26:43.760 --> 02:26:46.360 with you here, And then really what they're talking about 2377 02:26:46.479 --> 02:26:51.680 is this distinction, like they one side sold a fake 2378 02:26:52.600 --> 02:26:55.399 advertised Israel and what it means to be Jewish and 2379 02:26:55.479 --> 02:26:58.600 the other one holds a different view. And even though 2380 02:26:58.680 --> 02:27:01.959 we disagree with both both of their overall world views. 2381 02:27:02.639 --> 02:27:04.959 It really does demonstrate I don't I don't know a 2382 02:27:05.040 --> 02:27:07.760 better clip that could sort of at least encapsulate the 2383 02:27:07.920 --> 02:27:10.120 impact of this view. Is that fair to say that 2384 02:27:10.440 --> 02:27:13.440 what we just witnessed is is really just like an 2385 02:27:13.520 --> 02:27:17.639 impact of the destruction, like rubble, the rubble of the view. 2386 02:27:22.440 --> 02:27:22.799 To stop. 2387 02:27:23.399 --> 02:27:27.079 Go ahead, Yeah, okay, I've got the So the best 2388 02:27:27.399 --> 02:27:29.680 history on this, by the way, is there's a whole 2389 02:27:30.319 --> 02:27:33.840 five pages in Tragic Hope that's really good on the 2390 02:27:33.920 --> 02:27:36.280 British imperial structure. 2391 02:27:36.559 --> 02:27:43.600 What dude said, locks, all right, sorry, I'm immature, ortho. Locks. 2392 02:27:43.719 --> 02:27:47.079 Go ahead, No that I can just kind of summarize 2393 02:27:47.120 --> 02:27:49.360 those pages when when we're ready, if you want, but 2394 02:27:49.399 --> 02:27:50.280 go ahead, go for. 2395 02:27:52.280 --> 02:27:56.159 Well, I wanted to mention how the whole idea of 2396 02:27:56.879 --> 02:28:04.760 genetic judaism is verytant here because you that woman doesn't 2397 02:28:04.760 --> 02:28:11.120 look particularly practicing. But there's a great summary. There's most 2398 02:28:11.239 --> 02:28:15.760 few believe there is no God, but he gave them Israel, 2399 02:28:18.159 --> 02:28:24.559 and then they go through to show that. I've even 2400 02:28:24.680 --> 02:28:29.280 seen Ben Shapiro, you know, being plums about this on 2401 02:28:30.520 --> 02:28:33.520 on a debate stage when he says, well, how can 2402 02:28:33.600 --> 02:28:37.399 you say you have a right to Israel the land there, 2403 02:28:37.799 --> 02:28:43.239 and he says because of synagogues. And then someone said, okay, 2404 02:28:43.319 --> 02:28:47.959 there are Native American you know, burial grounds in the US, 2405 02:28:48.079 --> 02:28:51.799 so why don't you leave? You know, so they can't 2406 02:28:51.959 --> 02:28:55.319 ever maintain this because there is no it's not meant 2407 02:28:55.360 --> 02:28:58.200 to be coherent. It's just meant to be useful. And 2408 02:28:58.440 --> 02:29:02.440 when you see the these Hasidics, who are you know, 2409 02:29:02.559 --> 02:29:05.879 they're wacky in their own ways. You have strands of Judaism, 2410 02:29:05.959 --> 02:29:08.200 then believe, no, no, no, no no. God has to 2411 02:29:08.319 --> 02:29:11.399 give us the land. We can't do it ourselves. He 2412 02:29:11.559 --> 02:29:14.600 has to do it because that will prove that we 2413 02:29:14.719 --> 02:29:17.680 are ready for it. If we go ahead and usurp 2414 02:29:18.399 --> 02:29:24.120 the land, we have not shown ourselves, you know, clean enough, 2415 02:29:24.879 --> 02:29:28.920 obedient enough, which was sort of the Pharisaic view as well. 2416 02:29:29.319 --> 02:29:31.280 You know, we need to follow the law very very 2417 02:29:31.440 --> 02:29:34.239 very strictly, and then we will be pure enough and 2418 02:29:34.319 --> 02:29:36.159 God will send the Messiah, He will chase out the 2419 02:29:36.280 --> 02:29:40.120 Romans and et cetera, et cetera, you know, And basically 2420 02:29:40.200 --> 02:29:42.600 the only Judaism that survived from those days is the 2421 02:29:43.879 --> 02:29:49.200 the Pharasaic form and then mutated into metesticized i would say, 2422 02:29:49.559 --> 02:29:53.920 into all manner of thought. But then you get this, 2423 02:29:54.239 --> 02:29:58.200 as you said, some cultural New York jew blond air 2424 02:30:00.040 --> 02:30:05.239 a tiny nose, you know, shouting of these people about 2425 02:30:05.280 --> 02:30:14.959 how they have this blood obligation to support the Zionism 2426 02:30:15.000 --> 02:30:18.319 and they're like, no, we're religious. We believe in this 2427 02:30:18.520 --> 02:30:22.079 religious interpretation, and it says God has to grant it 2428 02:30:22.159 --> 02:30:23.760 to us otherwise we don't get it. 2429 02:30:27.760 --> 02:30:30.600 Jay, did you want to respond to the clip itself 2430 02:30:31.280 --> 02:30:33.280 and then go into your thing, because I want. 2431 02:30:34.959 --> 02:30:38.239 It's just kind of a you know, confusing situation where 2432 02:30:39.040 --> 02:30:43.879 a lot of these different inter Jewish groups and sex 2433 02:30:44.000 --> 02:30:48.239 will kind of all have elements of truth in the 2434 02:30:48.319 --> 02:30:54.440 sense that, you know, Jews against Zionism are themselves committed to, 2435 02:30:54.879 --> 02:30:59.360 you know, certain interpretations of the Talmud, and like Posh said, 2436 02:30:59.440 --> 02:31:01.079 like they think it has to be done a certain 2437 02:31:01.120 --> 02:31:03.920 way before there's a restoration in the coming of the Messiah. 2438 02:31:05.719 --> 02:31:11.440 The other other strands, which are more secular and atheist, 2439 02:31:12.120 --> 02:31:14.120 like poj said, I mean, it makes no sense because 2440 02:31:14.120 --> 02:31:16.040 it's like, well, there is no God, but he gave 2441 02:31:16.120 --> 02:31:20.319 us this land, so it's like totally a tool of 2442 02:31:20.920 --> 02:31:25.200 of sort of secular powers. But Zionism you know, this 2443 02:31:25.360 --> 02:31:30.719 comes it becomes very useful for the British Empire. I'll 2444 02:31:30.760 --> 02:31:33.760 get into that maybe a little bit. But so there's 2445 02:31:34.079 --> 02:31:37.159 it's really complex in the in the way that like 2446 02:31:37.440 --> 02:31:39.840 there's a lot of different factors going into this, but 2447 02:31:40.520 --> 02:31:42.600 it just makes all of it really makes no sense 2448 02:31:43.319 --> 02:31:45.040 from any of these perspectives. 2449 02:31:44.520 --> 02:31:49.280 Is right, right? Super confusing both the sides. From our view, 2450 02:31:49.360 --> 02:31:52.399 we go, oh, they're both very confused about this, but 2451 02:31:52.959 --> 02:31:55.319 it is connected to what we've been discussing, right, It 2452 02:31:55.399 --> 02:31:58.920 just doesn't come out of nowhere. The cultural blonde knows 2453 02:31:59.079 --> 02:32:03.200 job Ju was like screaming because she's arguing a cultural 2454 02:32:03.440 --> 02:32:08.920 trend view. The Orthodox is holding an ancient view and 2455 02:32:08.959 --> 02:32:11.040 they're trying to maintain it, and they have their own 2456 02:32:11.799 --> 02:32:14.600 unfolding of their of their religion that they think is 2457 02:32:14.639 --> 02:32:17.600 going to happen, and they're pinned against each other. And 2458 02:32:18.879 --> 02:32:22.600 from from your view, from this analysis, there's no way 2459 02:32:22.639 --> 02:32:24.760 to separate what we just saw. Is at least fair 2460 02:32:24.840 --> 02:32:26.959 to say there's no way to separate what we just 2461 02:32:27.040 --> 02:32:30.719 saw as a clip from dispensationalism, that this is like 2462 02:32:30.840 --> 02:32:32.760 a this is an effect of it. Would you say, 2463 02:32:34.559 --> 02:32:38.399 clearly an effect of dispensationalist view, even though they're not Christianity. 2464 02:32:39.840 --> 02:32:43.920 It played a role in helping America warm up to 2465 02:32:44.079 --> 02:32:49.920 supporting what the Ralph Childs and others wanted to do 2466 02:32:50.040 --> 02:32:53.799 in the Middle East. Okay, in that regard, it played 2467 02:32:53.840 --> 02:32:57.159 a key role in getting it marshaling American the American 2468 02:32:57.280 --> 02:33:00.000 engine behind a lot of these moves. 2469 02:33:00.959 --> 02:33:08.040 Natoonyahu said that Christian Zionism was instrumental in paving the 2470 02:33:08.200 --> 02:33:11.479 road towards this general let's call it Zionists. 2471 02:33:11.879 --> 02:33:15.680 So we agree with one point five percent of Adam 2472 02:33:15.760 --> 02:33:19.520 Green's analysis zero point three. 2473 02:33:20.520 --> 02:33:26.200 Yeah, yeah, I now want to reject it just so 2474 02:33:26.399 --> 02:33:32.520 we're back to zero. No, obviously, but I think the 2475 02:33:32.799 --> 02:33:38.680 dispensationalism is more driven by its apocalypticism, and that was 2476 02:33:39.360 --> 02:33:42.479 appear to be very useful and very easy to We 2477 02:33:42.559 --> 02:33:47.000 don't need to talk about if it's organic now Okay, 2478 02:33:47.639 --> 02:33:51.520 nowadays you can trace it very easily to both intelligence 2479 02:33:51.600 --> 02:33:57.040 agencies and different types of funding. And that started obviously 2480 02:33:57.200 --> 02:34:02.799 with the start of the even the Moral Majority and 2481 02:34:03.120 --> 02:34:06.760 all of these groups that really pushed on things and 2482 02:34:07.120 --> 02:34:12.799 had this again this wind power of the Second World 2483 02:34:12.840 --> 02:34:21.799 War and events therein that really gave it legitimacy, not 2484 02:34:22.040 --> 02:34:25.559 just in religious circles, but even in secular circles where 2485 02:34:25.600 --> 02:34:27.520 they said, no, we just need a place for Jews 2486 02:34:27.559 --> 02:34:30.120 to go where they can be safe. You know. So 2487 02:34:31.760 --> 02:34:34.879 all of these strands, it's what's important is that they 2488 02:34:35.159 --> 02:34:39.600 coalesce into the idea of these people get this this 2489 02:34:39.799 --> 02:34:43.000 piece of land, whether you get it through oh just 2490 02:34:43.120 --> 02:34:46.520 to be safe, whether you get it through Christian Zionism, 2491 02:34:46.799 --> 02:34:50.719 to Jewish Zionism, to walk through whatever. What's important is 2492 02:34:50.799 --> 02:34:53.719 the outcome and what you need to say in the meantime. 2493 02:34:53.920 --> 02:34:56.559 It just depends on Okay, so would the would the 2494 02:34:56.680 --> 02:35:04.760 clip that I played exist even without the apocalyptic dispensational 2495 02:35:05.280 --> 02:35:09.360 sort of let's call it chunks. It's like the chunks 2496 02:35:09.440 --> 02:35:12.120 is like what you put in the pan first onions 2497 02:35:12.159 --> 02:35:15.760 and stuff. It's like the base of the of the meal. 2498 02:35:16.520 --> 02:35:18.200 Do you think what what I just played would be 2499 02:35:18.280 --> 02:35:24.079 inevitable anyway without these kind of views affecting especially modern 2500 02:35:24.840 --> 02:35:27.159 Western American politics. 2501 02:35:26.920 --> 02:35:29.600 I would say so, I think, yeah. I think a 2502 02:35:29.680 --> 02:35:32.840 lot of this stuff was already kind of baked into 2503 02:35:32.920 --> 02:35:39.799 the cake before America got sufficiently propaganda's with this stuff because. 2504 02:35:39.559 --> 02:35:42.840 Okay, okay, yeah, I mean you know, Balfour Decoration and 2505 02:35:43.000 --> 02:35:47.079 establishment of Israel and all that is kind of already 2506 02:35:47.159 --> 02:35:49.799 going on by the British Empire, but they definitely wanted 2507 02:35:49.799 --> 02:35:52.520 to secure the supported American engine. 2508 02:35:53.040 --> 02:35:56.520 Okay, got it, So I will retract. I will retract 2509 02:35:56.639 --> 02:36:00.559 that I'm making a clear distinction or connection between that clip. 2510 02:36:00.600 --> 02:36:03.159 I just thought that was to me, it seemed relevant. 2511 02:36:03.239 --> 02:36:06.200 It seemed to sort of embody the problems we're dealing with. 2512 02:36:07.200 --> 02:36:09.520 I think I thought it was linked to it. But 2513 02:36:09.639 --> 02:36:12.440 if if it's a case that that very instance could 2514 02:36:12.520 --> 02:36:17.920 exist very well without this this beginning process that were 2515 02:36:18.040 --> 02:36:19.760 sold constantly through. 2516 02:36:19.639 --> 02:36:22.079 This, I think I think the analogy would be too. 2517 02:36:22.520 --> 02:36:26.079 So prior to all this, you already had the disputes 2518 02:36:26.120 --> 02:36:33.399 amongst Orthodox Jews, Reform Jews right and the Reform have 2519 02:36:33.520 --> 02:36:37.280 always kind of moved towards more atheistic agnostic type positions. 2520 02:36:38.479 --> 02:36:43.680 And then you've got multiple different sects amongst Orthodox Jews 2521 02:36:43.760 --> 02:36:48.559 following various rabbinical interpretations and pseudo messiahs. So they've had 2522 02:36:48.600 --> 02:36:52.799 a history of falling for various khan men, you know, 2523 02:36:53.040 --> 02:36:56.719 Rabbi whoever, and he was the real Messiah, and even 2524 02:36:56.799 --> 02:36:59.879 today a bunch of the of them believe Schneerson wasn't. 2525 02:37:00.520 --> 02:37:05.639 So yeah, I believe I recently saw that it was 2526 02:37:05.680 --> 02:37:08.879 from and himself because they often use the title bail 2527 02:37:09.520 --> 02:37:14.319 because bail just means lord, like bail Shemptove and someone 2528 02:37:14.399 --> 02:37:19.600 the Jews breay to bail. But to the point about 2529 02:37:19.639 --> 02:37:23.239 the clip, the problem with your assertion in Jimbob is 2530 02:37:23.319 --> 02:37:28.280 that neither of those sides were thinking. Well, Darby said right. 2531 02:37:29.760 --> 02:37:33.120 And even again back to the New Testament times, you 2532 02:37:33.319 --> 02:37:37.120 had these You have the Pharisees, you had the Esses, 2533 02:37:37.200 --> 02:37:40.399 you had all types of like zealots, and you know 2534 02:37:40.920 --> 02:37:44.239 Scatari eye, which is where we get this carry out. 2535 02:37:44.719 --> 02:37:47.879 Jus carried it. But you had all of these different 2536 02:37:48.239 --> 02:37:51.440 interpretations of what needs to be done to get things 2537 02:37:51.479 --> 02:37:55.399 back in order. Right. The Pharisees thought, you need ritual purity. 2538 02:37:56.840 --> 02:38:01.719 This is where a lot of uh Christ's criticism towards 2539 02:38:01.760 --> 02:38:04.159 the Pharisees come from. You know, you will get a 2540 02:38:04.280 --> 02:38:07.000 tenth from your herb gardens, but then you will ignore 2541 02:38:07.040 --> 02:38:13.719 all sorts of things. The subdaces just completely hellenized. You know, 2542 02:38:13.840 --> 02:38:16.680 they reject there we accept the pentitoobe. They don't believe 2543 02:38:16.760 --> 02:38:19.639 the after life. The Pharisees famously do believe in the 2544 02:38:19.719 --> 02:38:23.680 afterlife because Maccabees. Then you've got the Essens who sort 2545 02:38:23.680 --> 02:38:25.760 of gave up on the whole temple thing, that go 2546 02:38:25.879 --> 02:38:29.760 out into the desert RD, so there is no unified thing. 2547 02:38:30.040 --> 02:38:36.479 And then after the fall Jerusalem again you might get 2548 02:38:36.760 --> 02:38:39.200 some level of unity because a lot of them, like 2549 02:38:40.000 --> 02:38:43.760 the sudase Is, basically relied on being keyholders to the temple. 2550 02:38:44.000 --> 02:38:46.639 That was that sort of power. Once you lose the temple, 2551 02:38:47.159 --> 02:38:52.280 you're pointless. And then the Pharisees, you know, yeah, go 2552 02:38:52.440 --> 02:38:55.399 out they have but even then it breaks into who 2553 02:38:55.479 --> 02:38:58.079 knows how many branches and people just you know, go 2554 02:38:58.239 --> 02:39:00.399 with your pick and choose rabbi. 2555 02:39:01.159 --> 02:39:03.200 Yeah, I'm just I'm looking at the blonde woman in 2556 02:39:03.280 --> 02:39:07.440 the clip and going, what what could her view be 2557 02:39:07.600 --> 02:39:11.319 possibly derived from? If not this flawed sort of genetic 2558 02:39:11.639 --> 02:39:14.360 take that can be traced trauma. 2559 02:39:14.920 --> 02:39:18.280 A lot of it is like we're persecuted all the time. 2560 02:39:19.280 --> 02:39:21.840 They want to make lampshades out of us, you know, 2561 02:39:22.000 --> 02:39:28.200 so enough of that will turn any people into just delusional. 2562 02:39:28.319 --> 02:39:30.719 Doesn't have to make sense, just needs to keep you safe. 2563 02:39:30.959 --> 02:39:32.959 Right right, right. It could be it seems to be 2564 02:39:33.159 --> 02:39:38.680 like very culturally derived that like, she gets her identity 2565 02:39:38.799 --> 02:39:43.200 from whatever cultural propaganda she's getting, and it seems to 2566 02:39:43.239 --> 02:39:45.559 be I'm trying to make a link between what are 2567 02:39:45.559 --> 02:39:48.639 the culture, what's the cultural propaganda she's getting, and can 2568 02:39:48.680 --> 02:39:52.200 it be tracked back to this idea that you know 2569 02:39:52.959 --> 02:39:56.360 these the genetics is tied to the land, the genetics 2570 02:39:56.479 --> 02:40:00.360 is is the true or whatever that anyway, it doesn't 2571 02:40:00.520 --> 02:40:03.440 really matter, but I'm glad you guys distinguished that because 2572 02:40:03.920 --> 02:40:05.959 either way, I'm glad we've got to all watch that 2573 02:40:06.040 --> 02:40:12.239 clip together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jay, you sent this in 2574 02:40:12.319 --> 02:40:15.360 the link. Did you want to go off of this thing. 2575 02:40:15.319 --> 02:40:18.639 Here or yeah? This is a kind of an unknown thing. 2576 02:40:18.680 --> 02:40:21.639 People don't really know about the Havara Agreement. But it's 2577 02:40:21.639 --> 02:40:24.719 a little later in the beginning stage of this, but 2578 02:40:25.200 --> 02:40:27.840 I'll try to summarize really quick what quickly says. Basically, 2579 02:40:28.559 --> 02:40:33.440 the British Empire was looking for models to have stable 2580 02:40:33.479 --> 02:40:37.559 Middle East colonies. Right, So Britain has a very powerful 2581 02:40:37.600 --> 02:40:40.159 empire at this time, late eighteen hundreds. They're looking for 2582 02:40:40.280 --> 02:40:43.680 different systems and structures that might work to stabilize it. 2583 02:40:44.040 --> 02:40:47.159 Amongst the British elite, they were pretty much divided you 2584 02:40:47.239 --> 02:40:49.840 had half of them who were very pro Arab, very 2585 02:40:49.920 --> 02:40:53.319 pro Muslim. Some of them even reportedly converted. Some of 2586 02:40:53.360 --> 02:40:58.159 the famous British spies, Kim Philby's dad supposedly became a Muslim. 2587 02:40:58.280 --> 02:40:59.920 Whether he really did or he was just being a spot, 2588 02:41:00.159 --> 02:41:04.959 I don't know. But they had a very robust Orientalist 2589 02:41:05.239 --> 02:41:09.079 structure which could learn the culture, master it, and then 2590 02:41:09.200 --> 02:41:12.360 rule it for the British Empire. The Middle East, however, 2591 02:41:12.600 --> 02:41:17.520 was so unstable, or so they said, you had constant 2592 02:41:17.559 --> 02:41:20.200 assassinations of leaders. They were looking for what would be 2593 02:41:20.280 --> 02:41:25.159 the most stable thing to put there, and so, as 2594 02:41:25.200 --> 02:41:28.799 we said, many of them favored Arabic type leaders in 2595 02:41:28.840 --> 02:41:31.959 government there. They were pro Palestinian or as we say 2596 02:41:32.040 --> 02:41:35.680 now pro Palestinian. But you also had a faction under 2597 02:41:36.000 --> 02:41:41.360 Lord Ralph Child who were wanted to establish a specifically 2598 02:41:41.479 --> 02:41:45.879 Zion estate. And this was controversial because you already had 2599 02:41:45.959 --> 02:41:47.840 quite a few people who were already there who were 2600 02:41:48.239 --> 02:41:52.719 you know, Arab Christian and Arab Muslim obviously. 2601 02:41:53.959 --> 02:41:54.040 So. 2602 02:41:57.239 --> 02:41:59.760 You get this decision on the part of the British 2603 02:41:59.840 --> 02:42:03.440 to set up essentially a Zion estate. This is the 2604 02:42:03.719 --> 02:42:08.280 British mandate for Palestine, and it was motivated by a 2605 02:42:08.360 --> 02:42:14.159 lot of the world Zionist Congress, the Jewish agency. This 2606 02:42:14.280 --> 02:42:17.000 is known as the British Mandate for Israel, which ended 2607 02:42:17.040 --> 02:42:22.399 in nineteen forty eight. Because after the UK Mandate you 2608 02:42:22.559 --> 02:42:28.239 got essentially the decision that Jews needed to migrate there. 2609 02:42:29.520 --> 02:42:32.760 Very controversial and it's almost like maybe they wanted this 2610 02:42:32.959 --> 02:42:37.440 to cause this division there, right, because what happens is 2611 02:42:37.479 --> 02:42:42.200 that the early Army of Israel is created out of 2612 02:42:42.399 --> 02:42:46.600 what's called the Haganah, and that's originally the Stern Gang. 2613 02:42:47.120 --> 02:42:49.479 The Stern Gang was kind of an organized crime syndicate 2614 02:42:49.719 --> 02:42:53.920 that functioned like the early protectors you could say, of 2615 02:42:54.000 --> 02:42:58.959 the Jews in Israel at this time, and they evolved 2616 02:42:59.000 --> 02:43:04.680 into becoming as a proto intelligence agency an army. They're 2617 02:43:04.760 --> 02:43:10.239 behind the famous assassination of one of the lords of 2618 02:43:10.280 --> 02:43:14.120 the United Nations because of his policies. Lord Moyne was 2619 02:43:14.159 --> 02:43:19.239 assassinated by the Urgun Gang in nineteen forty four, and 2620 02:43:19.399 --> 02:43:25.079 then they famously domb the King David Hotel. This is 2621 02:43:25.159 --> 02:43:27.799 because now the Jews are getting tired of the British 2622 02:43:28.200 --> 02:43:32.159 rule in Israel and in Jerusalem, they want to throw 2623 02:43:32.280 --> 02:43:35.319 that off. Then it gets even more complicated, because this 2624 02:43:35.600 --> 02:43:39.959 is the crazy part. From the British Empire perspective. They 2625 02:43:40.079 --> 02:43:44.719 wanted to manipulate and rule. Then we get this, check 2626 02:43:44.799 --> 02:43:47.280 this out. During the years of nineteen forty five to 2627 02:43:47.360 --> 02:43:49.159 nineteen forty eight, the Jewish Agency sought to establish the 2628 02:43:49.200 --> 02:43:51.680 Jewish State and Palis and removed the British restrictions on 2629 02:43:51.799 --> 02:43:55.079 Jewish immigration. So Jews Brits were now putting restrictions on 2630 02:43:55.159 --> 02:43:57.879 who could go there when previously they want them there. 2631 02:43:58.680 --> 02:44:01.000 These were resisted not only because of Britain's desires to 2632 02:44:01.079 --> 02:44:04.719 maintain amicable relationship with the Arabs, but also from the 2633 02:44:04.760 --> 02:44:08.600 obvious lack of simply for Zionist calls within the British government. 2634 02:44:08.680 --> 02:44:10.760 So the Labor Party comes to power in nineteen forty five, 2635 02:44:10.840 --> 02:44:13.559 and because the Labor Party were Fabian socialists, they actually 2636 02:44:13.799 --> 02:44:17.799 tended to be pro pro Islam and pro Arab. The 2637 02:44:17.920 --> 02:44:20.760 immediate demand for the admission of one hundred thousand Jewish 2638 02:44:20.760 --> 02:44:24.159 refugees from Europe was rejected by the British and efforts 2639 02:44:24.200 --> 02:44:27.879 to smuggle some of these in gave rise to conditions 2640 02:44:27.920 --> 02:44:31.600 of quasi warfare between British and Zionist groups. The Arab 2641 02:44:31.719 --> 02:44:35.840 League of the neighboring Arab States, which had formed underneath 2642 02:44:35.879 --> 02:44:38.159 British sponsorship in nineteen forty five, took as the chief 2643 02:44:38.159 --> 02:44:41.479 aimed the destruction of the Zionists and to block Jewish immigration. 2644 02:44:41.920 --> 02:44:45.200 When the Labor government in June refused Zionists requests for 2645 02:44:45.239 --> 02:44:47.719 admission of one hundred thousand Sewish refugees and instead sought 2646 02:44:47.799 --> 02:44:51.079 to arrest members of the Jewish agency, the Irgun and 2647 02:44:51.200 --> 02:44:54.959 reprisal blew up the British headquarters known as the King 2648 02:44:55.040 --> 02:44:58.360 David Hotel in Jerusalem and got rid of one hundred people. 2649 02:44:58.479 --> 02:45:03.600 The World Zonis Congress elected Peter's figure who were supposedly moderate, 2650 02:45:03.799 --> 02:45:07.440 like Heim Weizmann and David Ben Gurion. The former won 2651 02:45:07.479 --> 02:45:10.600 the election, and then you got the support for British 2652 02:45:10.639 --> 02:45:15.760 mindate from the United States, which was unobtainable since Washington 2653 02:45:15.840 --> 02:45:19.399 generally favored the Jewish side, while the British favored typically 2654 02:45:19.440 --> 02:45:22.719 the Arab side. Thus, death sentences were carried out on 2655 02:45:22.959 --> 02:45:26.799 the various Jewish terror groups, and in nineteen forty seven 2656 02:45:26.840 --> 02:45:28.920 the British sought to escape the situation by appealing to 2657 02:45:28.959 --> 02:45:34.120 the United Nations, and basically they just handed this over 2658 02:45:34.239 --> 02:45:38.520 to the Israeli government. So then Ben Gurion steps into 2659 02:45:38.559 --> 02:45:46.360 power in nineteen forty eight as the first first President. 2660 02:45:46.399 --> 02:45:50.120 I guess you could say prime minister. September twentieth, the 2661 02:45:50.200 --> 02:45:53.879 Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was the chief Muslim religious leader 2662 02:45:53.879 --> 02:45:56.840 of the want and collaborator with Tony mustache Man, and 2663 02:45:56.879 --> 02:46:00.120 he proclaimed an Arab government for all of Palestine. It's 2664 02:46:00.120 --> 02:46:02.000 funny is that he's a British intelligence agent. He's the 2665 02:46:02.040 --> 02:46:06.000 guy that looks like exactly like Ryan Gosling. You should 2666 02:46:06.479 --> 02:46:09.239 yeah that I wanted to mention that he's an m 2667 02:46:09.319 --> 02:46:12.680 I six operative and he's I didn't know that, the 2668 02:46:12.760 --> 02:46:16.399 Grand Moftie of Jerusalem. Yeah, he's a British intelligence operative 2669 02:46:18.120 --> 02:46:20.319 and he's working together with Tony mustache Man. So basically, 2670 02:46:20.360 --> 02:46:22.200 the British are always trying to play both sides of everything, 2671 02:46:22.879 --> 02:46:26.760 and I seems to not really work out here, and 2672 02:46:26.879 --> 02:46:29.639 so you end up getting the through a bunch of 2673 02:46:29.840 --> 02:46:33.920 E R R O R the establishment of a Zionist 2674 02:46:33.959 --> 02:46:39.000 regime which is not explicitly religious, but utilizes the religious 2675 02:46:39.319 --> 02:46:42.440 imagery and ideology to sort of bolster support. So that's 2676 02:46:42.479 --> 02:46:46.600 the irony here is that Christian Zionists in America support 2677 02:46:46.639 --> 02:46:50.760 all these people who are essentially intelligence operatives and organized 2678 02:46:50.799 --> 02:46:53.239 crime people in nineteen forty eight who don't believe anything 2679 02:46:53.280 --> 02:46:53.920 religious at all. 2680 02:46:56.440 --> 02:47:00.680 Wow, you ain't kidding, Ili, that's funny. 2681 02:47:01.399 --> 02:47:01.639 Wow. 2682 02:47:02.440 --> 02:47:05.639 The truthers are going to lose their The truthers are 2683 02:47:05.639 --> 02:47:11.520 going to lose their ship. That the body double you know, Ah, okay. 2684 02:47:11.360 --> 02:47:16.239 Some apparently has had many doupled gangas throughout history. But 2685 02:47:16.719 --> 02:47:19.600 this person is rather peculiar in his function, in his 2686 02:47:19.760 --> 02:47:23.959 cooperation with a man whose mustache was even tinier than mine. 2687 02:47:24.040 --> 02:47:25.280 And that's right. 2688 02:47:25.920 --> 02:47:29.360 Yeah, that takes a lot, so Jay, based on what 2689 02:47:29.440 --> 02:47:32.719 you laid out here and the the agreement that we 2690 02:47:32.799 --> 02:47:34.360 went over a little bit there that we had on 2691 02:47:34.440 --> 02:47:39.239 the screen, a lot of Americans who are maybe completely 2692 02:47:39.319 --> 02:47:43.639 unaware of the history just we went over it with 2693 02:47:44.159 --> 02:47:47.000 dispensationalism and how it then plays into sort of the 2694 02:47:47.120 --> 02:47:51.159 narrative of geopolitics in America especially. They're unaware of it, 2695 02:47:51.319 --> 02:47:54.280 but they're participating in it. So do you think that 2696 02:47:55.680 --> 02:48:00.760 it's it's useless or feudile to even uh educate those 2697 02:48:00.959 --> 02:48:05.360 kinds of people who just have this kind of impulsive loyalty. 2698 02:48:07.040 --> 02:48:10.040 I'll look at Ryan and Cosling with little Musla at that. Yeah, 2699 02:48:10.040 --> 02:48:11.600 they're talking about tea way. 2700 02:48:11.879 --> 02:48:14.479 You're interested in a book that covers the how he 2701 02:48:14.840 --> 02:48:19.079 was a British intelligence it's fy on Ingolf's book Lost 2702 02:48:19.120 --> 02:48:20.680 Headgeam on whom the Gods Would Destroy. 2703 02:48:20.760 --> 02:48:23.159 He's basically just details. There's an old. 2704 02:48:23.120 --> 02:48:26.479 Chapter on Graham Moved as a British intelligence operator. 2705 02:48:26.559 --> 02:48:28.840 But sorry, go ahead, No, I was going to say, like, 2706 02:48:28.920 --> 02:48:31.280 what's the what's the methodology? 2707 02:48:31.399 --> 02:48:31.559 Now? 2708 02:48:31.799 --> 02:48:34.520 Like obviously doing a stream like this or anything like 2709 02:48:34.600 --> 02:48:39.200 it that sort of sheds light on the summary of 2710 02:48:40.120 --> 02:48:45.120 this view and how it plays into modern politics. I 2711 02:48:45.239 --> 02:48:47.719 feel like we're we're in an era where people who 2712 02:48:47.840 --> 02:48:52.280 take this immediate, impulsive loyalty to Israel in the political arena, 2713 02:48:52.600 --> 02:48:55.479 they're not going to really care what kind of history 2714 02:48:55.520 --> 02:48:57.639 you bring up, right, So it's like, I guess what 2715 02:48:57.799 --> 02:49:00.959 my question is, like us as people who talk about 2716 02:49:01.000 --> 02:49:04.600 this stuff and you know, analyze it and put it 2717 02:49:04.680 --> 02:49:09.159 into its proper categories, is it useless? I mean, not 2718 02:49:09.280 --> 02:49:12.639 to blackpill, but like, what is our duty here? As 2719 02:49:12.680 --> 02:49:15.000 far as like revealing, I think it needs to be 2720 02:49:15.079 --> 02:49:15.760 talked more. 2721 02:49:16.000 --> 02:49:19.159 The key is to understand. To note, I'm not saying 2722 02:49:19.200 --> 02:49:21.319 you this, but do not hate groups of people in 2723 02:49:21.440 --> 02:49:24.959 collectives because people are raised in things and people are 2724 02:49:25.120 --> 02:49:28.120 in auction with things that are And I was thinking 2725 02:49:28.120 --> 02:49:31.399 about this the more I was, you know, ruminating on 2726 02:49:31.479 --> 02:49:34.920 the Muslim debate from last night, like people are sort 2727 02:49:34.920 --> 02:49:38.840 of imprisoned, you know, in these systems, and the systems 2728 02:49:39.239 --> 02:49:41.959 are not going to make you happy, you know what 2729 02:49:42.000 --> 02:49:44.920 I mean. They don't provide what they claim to provide. 2730 02:49:45.239 --> 02:49:47.319 So I see a lot of the people being manipulated, 2731 02:49:47.920 --> 02:49:50.440 you know, the one hundred thousand Jews that we're trying 2732 02:49:50.520 --> 02:49:53.520 to migrate, they were supposed to migrate. 2733 02:49:54.440 --> 02:49:54.600 You know. 2734 02:49:54.760 --> 02:49:59.479 It's sort of like refugees are geopolitical tools on the chessboard, 2735 02:50:00.000 --> 02:50:02.399 and so we should feel sorry for the people. But 2736 02:50:02.479 --> 02:50:06.120 at the same time, like for example, Muslim refugees, like 2737 02:50:06.159 --> 02:50:09.959 they're also being used. So there's no easy answers. I 2738 02:50:10.040 --> 02:50:12.840 think that the more that we do understand the historical 2739 02:50:13.000 --> 02:50:15.319 nuances of the situation, we have to try to be 2740 02:50:15.520 --> 02:50:19.319 compassionate and concerned for people. Not that you guys aren't, 2741 02:50:19.360 --> 02:50:22.680 but there's a reactionary tendency right where people are just like, oh, 2742 02:50:23.079 --> 02:50:26.159 it's all this group, Oh it's all that group, you know, 2743 02:50:26.440 --> 02:50:29.799 I mean, these people are pawns, they're tools, they're used. 2744 02:50:29.920 --> 02:50:36.040 I think that the Ralph Child group utilizes these people 2745 02:50:36.879 --> 02:50:39.600 that they I don't know that they really believe the religion, 2746 02:50:40.319 --> 02:50:41.920 and I think I see it as kind of like 2747 02:50:42.000 --> 02:50:44.959 a tool that they use to control people, much like 2748 02:50:45.079 --> 02:50:48.799 a lot of Muslim caliphs probably didn't believe the religion, 2749 02:50:48.840 --> 02:50:51.280 but they use it as a tool to you know, 2750 02:50:51.840 --> 02:50:55.200 energize armies and so forth, to loot and plumber. I 2751 02:50:55.200 --> 02:50:57.440 mean Mohammed seems to have done that, right, So there's 2752 02:50:57.479 --> 02:51:02.280 a pattern of using ideologies for these geopolitical ends. So 2753 02:51:02.319 --> 02:51:04.239 I wouldn't say it's black pilling. I would just say 2754 02:51:04.239 --> 02:51:10.680 it's more like understanding the nuances of the situation. And 2755 02:51:10.840 --> 02:51:14.879 it's not always or totally one person's fault. But between 2756 02:51:14.920 --> 02:51:16.680 the two people debating that we saw a minute ago 2757 02:51:16.719 --> 02:51:19.440 and screaming like they're both kind of goofy. 2758 02:51:20.040 --> 02:51:25.040 Yeah, yeah, because we mustn't. I rail against abstractions all 2759 02:51:25.120 --> 02:51:29.200 the time, because the problem with abstractions, as I say, 2760 02:51:29.840 --> 02:51:33.520 it's a common phrase, abstraction is subtraction. You need to 2761 02:51:34.120 --> 02:51:37.639 take out a lot of peculiarities in order to have 2762 02:51:37.840 --> 02:51:41.399 it as some type of abstract notion, and we tend 2763 02:51:41.479 --> 02:51:45.040 to forget that these are human beings. If you're born, 2764 02:51:45.520 --> 02:51:50.760 for example, into Islam, your family is Muslim, so you're 2765 02:51:50.799 --> 02:51:55.600 going to have an innate, you know, desire to defend 2766 02:51:55.760 --> 02:52:00.319 Islam because no matter how it's not no matter. But 2767 02:52:01.840 --> 02:52:04.360 when people tell you, oh, Muhammad was this, who we 2768 02:52:04.440 --> 02:52:07.559 did that? And this is false? That is false. A 2769 02:52:07.680 --> 02:52:10.760 lot of their thinking is, my family can't possibly be 2770 02:52:10.920 --> 02:52:14.079 supporting this guy. My father is a great guy, my 2771 02:52:14.200 --> 02:52:17.319 friends are great, you know, et cetera, et cetera. So 2772 02:52:17.719 --> 02:52:21.040 it's a human thing. It's not input out, but they're 2773 02:52:21.120 --> 02:52:25.239 not machines. And good thing that they're not machines. Those 2774 02:52:25.280 --> 02:52:28.799 who do decide to convert or even abandon Islam take 2775 02:52:28.920 --> 02:52:35.399 massive risks. The families are put at risk. So with 2776 02:52:36.239 --> 02:52:40.719 the clip that we saw earlier, right, these people grow 2777 02:52:40.840 --> 02:52:44.959 up with is the I grew up. I'm cradle orthodox right, 2778 02:52:45.120 --> 02:52:48.040 and a lot of things that were blind spots for 2779 02:52:48.159 --> 02:52:51.159 me because it just that's how it is. You know, 2780 02:52:51.399 --> 02:52:53.719 when people ask me, you know, why do you pray 2781 02:52:53.799 --> 02:52:57.200 to saints? You know, I know, because they're awesome thing 2782 02:52:58.959 --> 02:53:02.079 and they help you out right, But then you have 2783 02:53:02.200 --> 02:53:05.000 to go and study the theology. Most people do it 2784 02:53:06.200 --> 02:53:12.120 because pure inertia. Others like Sneaker or someone might be 2785 02:53:12.440 --> 02:53:20.000 just grifters, but might simply be completely demoralized by the 2786 02:53:20.120 --> 02:53:24.319 state of the world and they're looking for refuge. And 2787 02:53:25.520 --> 02:53:28.920 if your idea of Islam is it's like Christianity but 2788 02:53:29.079 --> 02:53:33.200 hasn't been you know, wimpy, and you know, you get 2789 02:53:33.239 --> 02:53:35.840 four wives instead of one, and it's like no trinity 2790 02:53:35.920 --> 02:53:39.520 and that's basically the difference. And we go to the 2791 02:53:39.600 --> 02:53:42.680 mosque on Friday, right, we don't go to church on Sunday. 2792 02:53:42.920 --> 02:53:45.840 And that's basically it. You know, you go for it, 2793 02:53:46.760 --> 02:53:52.639 and you know, the Islam is a very pr oriented religion, 2794 02:53:53.280 --> 02:53:59.879 so they organically basically go for praising you. Anytime you 2795 02:54:00.159 --> 02:54:01.719 say anything nice about Islam. 2796 02:54:02.280 --> 02:54:04.920 If you convert, they have you right on their they 2797 02:54:04.959 --> 02:54:06.719 have you right on their podcast immediately. 2798 02:54:07.079 --> 02:54:08.120 Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. 2799 02:54:09.079 --> 02:54:11.040 It's like a bad tist, but like you know, the 2800 02:54:11.079 --> 02:54:13.319 bad start. You can like say the Sinner's prayer and 2801 02:54:13.399 --> 02:54:15.840 then like you're giving the test you're giving your testimony 2802 02:54:15.840 --> 02:54:16.959 and preaching next Wednesday. 2803 02:54:17.200 --> 02:54:19.399 Right, yeah, totally. It's like it's like brigger you that 2804 02:54:19.639 --> 02:54:23.639 any any leftist who says anything in Hollywood, remotely classical liberal, 2805 02:54:23.719 --> 02:54:26.159 they slap them on an orange and blue meal immediately, 2806 02:54:26.399 --> 02:54:26.559 you know. 2807 02:54:26.879 --> 02:54:32.159 Yeah, you know. I had to watch Michael Knowle's interview 2808 02:54:32.280 --> 02:54:36.719 Ryan Long, who's just a comedian, he's goofy, he's not 2809 02:54:36.840 --> 02:54:40.440 a political activist, and I had to watch it because 2810 02:54:41.079 --> 02:54:44.319 I was expecting every single thing that Ryan Long says 2811 02:54:45.159 --> 02:54:47.280 it was going to be, well, you knew the left. 2812 02:54:47.600 --> 02:54:52.200 You know, the left is the bad, the real bad. 2813 02:54:52.319 --> 02:54:56.120 Yeah. Yeah, and that's exactly what happened. But the problem 2814 02:54:56.280 --> 02:54:58.799 is that Ryan Loong is so a political that basically 2815 02:54:58.799 --> 02:55:01.799 anytime he said, well, you know, the left does this, 2816 02:55:02.079 --> 02:55:05.840 but the conservatives, yeah, but sort of those the bush eras, 2817 02:55:05.879 --> 02:55:09.520 so that's supped, you know, and you can't get it. 2818 02:55:09.600 --> 02:55:14.079 But these people are so ideologically obsessed that they have 2819 02:55:14.319 --> 02:55:20.719 to shape anything that's even remotely approbatory of that position 2820 02:55:22.520 --> 02:55:26.040 into like a confirmation. And what I like to say 2821 02:55:26.159 --> 02:55:31.360 is it's winning either way. There's even a higher level 2822 02:55:31.399 --> 02:55:36.840 of that when if let's say a child agrees with 2823 02:55:36.959 --> 02:55:40.440 your position, it's even a child sees that this is correct. 2824 02:55:40.799 --> 02:55:43.639 If a child agrees with the opposing position, only a 2825 02:55:43.799 --> 02:55:47.479 child could agree with that, you know, it's just rhetorical flips. 2826 02:55:49.000 --> 02:55:52.680 There's nothing to it. And I'm afraid that because we're 2827 02:55:52.719 --> 02:55:57.719 so abstract, we're so detached from human life, and technology 2828 02:55:57.760 --> 02:56:02.040 has made that very very possible and very pronounced. We 2829 02:56:02.280 --> 02:56:07.639 just see people as as as I don't know data points. 2830 02:56:08.719 --> 02:56:12.360 It's very stalin Esque, you know. Deaths and millions is 2831 02:56:12.360 --> 02:56:16.120 a statistic. Likewise, with conversion, if a friend of yours 2832 02:56:16.319 --> 02:56:19.520 converts to Orthodoxy, youre great. But if a million people 2833 02:56:19.600 --> 02:56:25.559 convert to Catholicism is like it happens, and it's humanizing. 2834 02:56:25.719 --> 02:56:28.600 And as far as the approach to all of this, 2835 02:56:29.959 --> 02:56:36.639 my suggestion is the strength of Protestantism is that it's 2836 02:56:36.760 --> 02:56:42.920 so sloganieri, it's so short and snappy, you know. 2837 02:56:43.040 --> 02:56:45.000 That's what Daniel tried to argue at the beginning of 2838 02:56:45.000 --> 02:56:48.479 the debate last night was look, Islam is simple, it's easy, 2839 02:56:48.559 --> 02:56:50.719 It's got four lines, so it's got to be clear 2840 02:56:50.760 --> 02:56:51.040 and true. 2841 02:56:51.079 --> 02:56:57.360 That's what no. So my suggestion is just try to 2842 02:56:57.840 --> 02:57:01.079 make short arguments like I gave the one with why 2843 02:57:01.280 --> 02:57:03.760 is if Christ rules for a thousand years, why is 2844 02:57:04.920 --> 02:57:08.159 in the future right he establishes a thousand years of 2845 02:57:08.639 --> 02:57:13.879 just pure haven on earth. This kingdom and then loosens 2846 02:57:13.959 --> 02:57:15.520 up the devil at the end of it was the 2847 02:57:15.559 --> 02:57:19.159 point at that with our expectations, like we're in the 2848 02:57:19.280 --> 02:57:23.280 millennium and when the end is coming, you know, the 2849 02:57:23.360 --> 02:57:27.399 reigns of Satan are loocidbit makes perfect sense. So that 2850 02:57:27.680 --> 02:57:31.399 may be something you need to fight to them with snippets. Unfortunately, 2851 02:57:31.559 --> 02:57:35.840 because the moment you use more than five sentences, all 2852 02:57:35.920 --> 02:57:38.440 of a sudden, that's not that's not. 2853 02:57:38.600 --> 02:57:44.799 That's philosophy, Like like Sam's really good, for example, when 2854 02:57:44.840 --> 02:57:46.959 he debates the Muslims in like because he's done it 2855 02:57:47.040 --> 02:57:49.040 for so many years and so many times, Like he 2856 02:57:49.200 --> 02:57:54.120 knows like three sentences right of how to spit out 2857 02:57:54.239 --> 02:57:57.040 like a problem for the Muslims within like dary sentences. 2858 02:57:57.079 --> 02:57:57.959 So he's really good at that. 2859 02:57:59.719 --> 02:58:02.159 I want to point out that in our assessment of 2860 02:58:02.239 --> 02:58:09.000 the dispensationalist view, its perversion of herma Inous in scripture, 2861 02:58:09.280 --> 02:58:12.760 and its implications of policy, the reason I came, I 2862 02:58:12.879 --> 02:58:16.559 asked us all here is is saying, like asking the question, well, 2863 02:58:16.559 --> 02:58:19.520 what should we do? How do we is it more folders? 2864 02:58:19.719 --> 02:58:19.840 Right? 2865 02:58:19.920 --> 02:58:22.159 Do we show more folders and reveal the truth of it? 2866 02:58:22.719 --> 02:58:25.440 And I want to make this distinction that like if 2867 02:58:25.520 --> 02:58:30.079 you use the exposing dispensationalism and it's all you know, 2868 02:58:30.200 --> 02:58:32.879 the names and you know the bagel people, and you know, 2869 02:58:33.120 --> 02:58:36.520 you know, properly show people, wake people up, you know, 2870 02:58:36.559 --> 02:58:38.719 this kind of truth or take it seems to me 2871 02:58:38.840 --> 02:58:42.920 it's all useless if you're not bringing people to the church. 2872 02:58:43.079 --> 02:58:45.280 And so in the end, it's like if we're using 2873 02:58:45.319 --> 02:58:49.319 it for a cultural uh you know, sort of a 2874 02:58:49.399 --> 02:58:53.840 cultural trending use for it, we're using it as like technology. 2875 02:58:54.239 --> 02:58:57.280 We're really just participating the same game. And so you know, 2876 02:58:57.520 --> 02:58:59.639 that's why I made sure to let people know, well 2877 02:58:59.639 --> 02:59:01.799 it's not a blackpill. To look at the stuff and 2878 02:59:01.920 --> 02:59:04.799 properly examine it. But the purpose of it isn't so 2879 02:59:04.959 --> 02:59:06.760 that you can then use it for some sort of 2880 02:59:06.879 --> 02:59:09.440 left right dialectic like oh and to get more people 2881 02:59:09.479 --> 02:59:14.360 to understand this inside yeah, yeah, more liberalism, right. So 2882 02:59:14.559 --> 02:59:17.000 that's that's what that's my sentiment here, is that the 2883 02:59:17.120 --> 02:59:20.479 purpose is to properly categorize things. If you're going to 2884 02:59:20.520 --> 02:59:23.440 appeal to scripture Christianity, this is what it looks like 2885 02:59:23.520 --> 02:59:26.520 to pervert it in some sort of notion towards the 2886 02:59:26.600 --> 02:59:28.959 future that you want to craft in your own view, 2887 02:59:29.799 --> 02:59:32.799 I feel like that's what Darby did that he really 2888 02:59:32.920 --> 02:59:37.159 perverted and uh and turned scripture and the practice and 2889 02:59:37.239 --> 02:59:41.120 the faith into some sort of technology toward a end goal. 2890 02:59:41.680 --> 02:59:44.280 And from our view, we don't know when that end 2891 02:59:44.360 --> 02:59:46.440 goal is and we couldn't claim that, and so our 2892 02:59:46.559 --> 02:59:50.040 job is to practice, bring people into the church and 2893 02:59:50.399 --> 02:59:54.440 and uh, and it's a much more uh, you know, 2894 02:59:54.559 --> 02:59:57.159 we're we're in humility. I mean that view is in 2895 02:59:57.360 --> 03:00:01.799 like sort of conquering dominate, like getting the point across. 2896 03:00:02.360 --> 03:00:04.520 And I know people in the chat are frustrated, not 2897 03:00:04.639 --> 03:00:07.879 in this chat, but just generally speaking, they want something done. 2898 03:00:08.120 --> 03:00:09.840 We're in a culture. We're in a culture our war. 2899 03:00:09.959 --> 03:00:12.440 We got to fix this. You know, everybody's fighting this 2900 03:00:12.600 --> 03:00:15.719 kind of war. And it's it's kind of difficult to 2901 03:00:15.840 --> 03:00:21.319 balance your theological view and practice with some sort of 2902 03:00:21.520 --> 03:00:23.520 like utility in the world that you're trying to get 2903 03:00:23.600 --> 03:00:25.520 something done and plant your flag. And I know it's 2904 03:00:25.559 --> 03:00:29.120 difficult for people because they want those results. And I 2905 03:00:29.159 --> 03:00:30.399 don't know if you guys want to add on that, 2906 03:00:30.559 --> 03:00:33.520 but how to balance this kind of notion of like 2907 03:00:33.719 --> 03:00:36.559 getting results in your culture and winning the cultural war 2908 03:00:36.639 --> 03:00:39.920 and planting the flag of victory versus well, that might 2909 03:00:40.040 --> 03:00:44.079 not happen. You might have to actually practice Christianity when 2910 03:00:44.120 --> 03:00:46.600 you're losing your whole life. So I mean just want 2911 03:00:46.600 --> 03:00:47.440 to remind people of that. 2912 03:00:50.120 --> 03:00:53.399 It mustn't be confused with some type of crypto prosperity 2913 03:00:53.479 --> 03:00:56.399 gospel that if you're doing the right things, things will 2914 03:00:56.479 --> 03:01:01.559 go well in a material sense, Tomato, there's there's absolutely 2915 03:01:01.719 --> 03:01:05.120 no guarantee of it. In fact, you should expect things 2916 03:01:05.200 --> 03:01:10.840 to go poor loose. Yes, I also keep saying, don't 2917 03:01:10.959 --> 03:01:13.920 let things you're you're for be a function of things 2918 03:01:13.959 --> 03:01:18.920 you're against. So don't oppose dispensationalism because you're against Israel. 2919 03:01:20.239 --> 03:01:24.680 That's that's not a good, that's foundation if you want 2920 03:01:24.760 --> 03:01:28.319 to support Israel because oh it's a counterbalance to Islam, 2921 03:01:28.559 --> 03:01:32.120 it's the only democracy in the Middle East, whatever you want. 2922 03:01:32.799 --> 03:01:37.000 You know, my biggest contention with it is that it's 2923 03:01:37.840 --> 03:01:42.719 not Christian. It's it's not what the Church teaches, it's 2924 03:01:42.760 --> 03:01:47.719 not biblical, it's it's heresy. That's my because and I 2925 03:01:48.399 --> 03:01:53.120 am against heresy because I'm for Orthodoxy. And you can 2926 03:01:53.200 --> 03:01:59.360 twist yourself into so many pretzels or bagels. Although they're 2927 03:01:59.399 --> 03:02:04.600 not twisted. You can loop yourself in so many But 2928 03:02:06.719 --> 03:02:10.520 because you're against something, you know, oh, I'm against communism, 2929 03:02:10.600 --> 03:02:14.319 so I'm going to the Bible wants free markets and 2930 03:02:15.040 --> 03:02:19.120 load taxes and gun rights like Okay, if you believe 2931 03:02:19.159 --> 03:02:22.639 the Bible supports that, don't tell me because it's against communism. 2932 03:02:23.040 --> 03:02:26.920 Mm hm right. That you can't have these negative things 2933 03:02:27.000 --> 03:02:32.799 because they are also very easily manipulated by surreptitious actors. 2934 03:02:34.479 --> 03:02:36.959 They see you or against something, so they'll just you 2935 03:02:37.040 --> 03:02:41.719 know what I How I like to illustrate it is 2936 03:02:41.760 --> 03:02:44.120 if you're going to do the opposite of what I say, 2937 03:02:45.159 --> 03:02:46.879 I just tell you to do the opposite of what 2938 03:02:47.000 --> 03:02:49.760 I want, and then you do the opposite, and you're 2939 03:02:49.799 --> 03:02:51.760 again doing what I want you to do. This is 2940 03:02:51.840 --> 03:02:58.680 why everyone who's the names, et cetera. It's so incomplete, 2941 03:02:58.959 --> 03:03:03.719 because people actually have to live their lives. You can't 2942 03:03:04.799 --> 03:03:07.760 and even most people don't care. But you can't have 2943 03:03:07.959 --> 03:03:14.479 this revolutionary opinion or movement succeed because a lot of 2944 03:03:14.639 --> 03:03:19.000 revolutionary thinking is only bound together by the opposition towards 2945 03:03:19.280 --> 03:03:23.440 a system. The problem is, if the revolution succeeds, then 2946 03:03:23.479 --> 03:03:26.280 you have to go into the affirmative. Yeah, and then 2947 03:03:26.319 --> 03:03:28.440 it turns out we all disagree and then they start 2948 03:03:28.719 --> 03:03:30.319 slaughtering each other. Yeah. 2949 03:03:30.479 --> 03:03:32.600 In fact, that the reason I wrote that Havara agreement, 2950 03:03:32.639 --> 03:03:34.719 if you know about I forgot to mention this is 2951 03:03:34.760 --> 03:03:38.159 that in Tragy and Hope quickly speaks as if the 2952 03:03:38.239 --> 03:03:40.719 elite kind of wanted world War one and World War two, 2953 03:03:41.719 --> 03:03:43.959 and so that they have multiple reasons as to why, 2954 03:03:44.319 --> 03:03:47.680 and that agreement shows. One reason is that it allowed 2955 03:03:47.799 --> 03:03:51.040 for what's happening in the thirties and forties in the 2956 03:03:51.079 --> 03:03:54.920 Middle East, and not everything necessarily went totally according to plan. 2957 03:03:55.120 --> 03:03:57.719 But you know, we couldn't be here without where we 2958 03:03:57.799 --> 03:03:59.639 are now without world War One and World War two. 2959 03:04:00.280 --> 03:04:04.680 So certain entities wanted World War one and World War two. 2960 03:04:04.840 --> 03:04:09.200 So anyway, that's partly what what that explanation with Havaro 2961 03:04:09.319 --> 03:04:11.120 is about. I have to run, but I want to 2962 03:04:11.120 --> 03:04:14.399 thank you for having me and a really great chat today. 2963 03:04:14.399 --> 03:04:15.000 Thank you so much. 2964 03:04:15.440 --> 03:04:17.360 Yeah, thank you so much. You want to plug anything, 2965 03:04:17.399 --> 03:04:19.959 obviously you stream Jade Iyer. You can find him on 2966 03:04:20.040 --> 03:04:22.159 YouTube specific ones you're coming up. 2967 03:04:22.799 --> 03:04:24.840 Yeah, if anybody's in the Nashville area and you want 2968 03:04:24.879 --> 03:04:27.840 to come to the event, Uh, Friday and Saturday, I'm 2969 03:04:27.879 --> 03:04:31.840 speaking with Jimbob's closest associate, James Lindsay. I think you 2970 03:04:31.920 --> 03:04:36.360 guys are you guys have been bff since my Space 2971 03:04:36.399 --> 03:04:38.399 space right, like you'll have a joint. You had a 2972 03:04:38.520 --> 03:04:39.719 joint MySpace you shared. 2973 03:04:39.799 --> 03:04:44.120 I think such a dick to that guy. It's because 2974 03:04:44.479 --> 03:04:46.399 because I can't get his attention, so I just like, 2975 03:04:46.520 --> 03:04:48.360 you know, I'm just ankle biting him and just being 2976 03:04:48.399 --> 03:04:50.120 like you're wrong, You're wrong, You're wrong. 2977 03:04:51.360 --> 03:04:53.920 So yeah, I'm just on psyops. 2978 03:04:54.120 --> 03:04:56.719 So uh, we have mutual friends. 2979 03:04:56.799 --> 03:05:01.719 So I'm are you're going to go sage like this guy. 2980 03:05:03.680 --> 03:05:05.799 He might not even be there when I'm there. He 2981 03:05:05.879 --> 03:05:07.440 might like to speak, have no idea. 2982 03:05:07.479 --> 03:05:09.239 Now there's there's hope for Lindsay because you look at 2983 03:05:09.280 --> 03:05:12.719 his Instagram and everybody is like, dude, you're still not 2984 03:05:12.959 --> 03:05:16.000 dealing with the classical liberal problem and and so from 2985 03:05:16.079 --> 03:05:18.399 that view, it's hopeful and I can lighten up a 2986 03:05:18.440 --> 03:05:18.760 little bit. 2987 03:05:18.840 --> 03:05:20.479 Not I mean, yeah, I don't know. I'm not telling 2988 03:05:20.479 --> 03:05:22.319 you lighting. I'm just saying like he might not even 2989 03:05:22.360 --> 03:05:24.680 be there when I'm there, because it's like ten speakers, 2990 03:05:24.760 --> 03:05:27.639 So I'm just speaking at this event that he's speaking. 2991 03:05:27.440 --> 03:05:29.319 What's a topic you're speaking on? Particularly? 2992 03:05:31.120 --> 03:05:33.399 Okay, so I don't know what he's talking on. But 2993 03:05:34.799 --> 03:05:37.559 but there's a bunch of other people that have John 2994 03:05:37.600 --> 03:05:41.879 Classac speaking, who does the school World Order book. Anyway, 2995 03:05:41.920 --> 03:05:44.200 that's this weekend. You can go to Cognitive Liberty Conference 2996 03:05:44.280 --> 03:05:46.440 dot com if you want to watch that or come 2997 03:05:46.520 --> 03:05:49.399 to that Nashville Friday and Saturday. And then you can 2998 03:05:49.440 --> 03:05:52.360 get my books at Jays Analysis and in the shop. 2999 03:05:52.440 --> 03:05:55.200 I'm working on Estrala with three and I've got almost 3000 03:05:55.479 --> 03:05:58.879 two seventy eighty pages. So that's it's coming along, should 3001 03:05:58.879 --> 03:06:01.159 be should be finished maybe the next couple of months. 3002 03:06:01.319 --> 03:06:04.639 So cool. And then the as in the deboot sphere, 3003 03:06:05.079 --> 03:06:07.159 the fact that Fresh and Fit had you that's a 3004 03:06:07.159 --> 03:06:12.319 pretty big platform. And is that something you want to continue? 3005 03:06:12.319 --> 03:06:15.399 Obviously you debate whenever you want, but do you see 3006 03:06:15.440 --> 03:06:19.120 something promising by transforming some of these sort of like 3007 03:06:20.000 --> 03:06:22.360 I would say, they're like, you know, you know, they're 3008 03:06:22.440 --> 03:06:25.760 dominated by the three h four class of people, but 3009 03:06:25.920 --> 03:06:29.000 they have this opportunity to do proper debates and and 3010 03:06:29.120 --> 03:06:31.319 things like that. Is that something in your experience you 3011 03:06:31.399 --> 03:06:33.479 thought was fruitful or it. 3012 03:06:33.520 --> 03:06:35.840 Seems like it I mean it seems like it's already had, 3013 03:06:35.959 --> 03:06:41.360 you know, across rumble x here maybe four or five 3014 03:06:41.440 --> 03:06:43.040 hundred thousand views, which is crazy. 3015 03:06:43.680 --> 03:06:43.879 Yeah. 3016 03:06:44.040 --> 03:06:47.360 So you know, you and Andrew had that viral thing 3017 03:06:47.440 --> 03:06:49.360 with your other bff. 3018 03:06:49.719 --> 03:06:52.879 The other I'm gonna been texting him along. 3019 03:06:53.040 --> 03:06:56.799 So I mean, you know, I think one reason we 3020 03:06:56.879 --> 03:06:58.760 did it was that, you know, Myron, I think is 3021 03:06:59.360 --> 03:07:03.360 professing a professing Muslim, and we wanted to be willing 3022 03:07:03.440 --> 03:07:10.520 to say, you know, we'll come over on your home court, right, Yeah, 3023 03:07:10.879 --> 03:07:14.959 I'm open to it, just depending upon you know, yeah, 3024 03:07:15.120 --> 03:07:16.520 who it is and what's going on. 3025 03:07:17.079 --> 03:07:18.559 Yeah, because I was looking at that and I'm like, 3026 03:07:18.680 --> 03:07:22.840 obviously the Muslim versus Christianity, who's got their metaphysics and 3027 03:07:22.879 --> 03:07:27.479 epistemology down properly, which is more coherent, is valuable. But 3028 03:07:28.280 --> 03:07:30.959 I find I hope there's a follow up debate, honestly, 3029 03:07:31.040 --> 03:07:33.079 and I think you could do this debate as well, Jay, 3030 03:07:33.079 --> 03:07:36.639 as that there's this sort of pushed unity between the 3031 03:07:36.719 --> 03:07:39.799 two and this assumption that we should pair up with 3032 03:07:40.319 --> 03:07:43.600 Islam for a cultural war to fight this evil. And 3033 03:07:43.680 --> 03:07:46.200 then and then there's this like this naive take that 3034 03:07:46.440 --> 03:07:49.680 at the end when we fight evil, then we'll figure 3035 03:07:49.719 --> 03:07:52.239 out who has the true you know, theology. And it's 3036 03:07:52.319 --> 03:07:53.799 like that's not a good bed. 3037 03:07:54.079 --> 03:07:56.719 Honestly identify evil without the world. 3038 03:07:56.840 --> 03:08:00.680 That's right, right, right? Yeah, yeah, Sneaker wrote. Nico wrote, 3039 03:08:01.280 --> 03:08:05.600 Muslim Islam and Christianity team up against Satan, and I 3040 03:08:05.719 --> 03:08:09.680 rewrote it like evil in truth team up against evil. 3041 03:08:09.760 --> 03:08:12.600 It's like, you can't. You can't take the bait on that, 3042 03:08:12.719 --> 03:08:15.639 even though it's tempting. It's very tempting, not for me, 3043 03:08:15.760 --> 03:08:16.959 but I can see with other people. 3044 03:08:17.239 --> 03:08:19.920 Yeah, well, that debate last night. The main reason I 3045 03:08:20.079 --> 03:08:24.520 was happy to do that was that those guys they're 3046 03:08:24.559 --> 03:08:26.440 really notorious for kind of running from Sam. 3047 03:08:27.120 --> 03:08:27.319 Yeah. 3048 03:08:27.719 --> 03:08:29.520 Sam knows is Lom way better than me. So I 3049 03:08:29.600 --> 03:08:31.360 really wanted it just to be the vehicle for Sam 3050 03:08:31.479 --> 03:08:34.239 to come on and let loose against those guys. And 3051 03:08:34.440 --> 03:08:37.879 that's seemed to have worked well. So you know, I 3052 03:08:38.120 --> 03:08:41.000 don't even I'm not a Muslim Islam expert. 3053 03:08:41.159 --> 03:08:45.559 So well you've I mean, you're able to defeat Islam 3054 03:08:46.000 --> 03:08:48.440 just by talking about a foot. That's what I learned. 3055 03:08:48.479 --> 03:08:49.680 I was like, oh shit, I don't know. 3056 03:08:49.799 --> 03:08:52.680 I mean, I always want to go off into like 3057 03:08:52.959 --> 03:08:56.479 you know, all these other topics and what's happened. I 3058 03:08:56.559 --> 03:08:59.079 think that Posh was getting to about kind of the 3059 03:08:59.200 --> 03:09:02.000 online internet is really being a difficult thing for Islam 3060 03:09:02.079 --> 03:09:06.040 because people are hearing now for the first time in 3061 03:09:06.040 --> 03:09:10.399 the last few years, not just Christian evangelical goobers on 3062 03:09:10.520 --> 03:09:13.000 the defensive. So for a long time, Muslims go out 3063 03:09:13.000 --> 03:09:15.520 in debate and it's always Christians on the defensive. Now 3064 03:09:15.680 --> 03:09:18.040 it's Christians on the offensive, and then we begin to 3065 03:09:18.079 --> 03:09:20.440 see how flimsy it is. 3066 03:09:21.799 --> 03:09:25.120 One thing that the Internet has done is that their 3067 03:09:25.200 --> 03:09:27.639 sources are now available. You can go to souna dot 3068 03:09:27.719 --> 03:09:31.879 com exactly and read the hadith. Because when Muhammed Hijab 3069 03:09:31.920 --> 03:09:35.120 a couple of years ago had a poll on Twitter 3070 03:09:35.959 --> 03:09:39.159 asking what is like Muslims? This is anonymous, so you 3071 03:09:39.239 --> 03:09:45.360 can answer sincerely, you know what is your biggest source 3072 03:09:45.440 --> 03:09:51.760 of doubts in Islam? And he gave like science, scientific 3073 03:09:51.840 --> 03:09:56.200 you know, knowledge claims of other religions. What one out 3074 03:09:57.559 --> 03:10:02.440 is the personal morality of Muhamad. So because people are 3075 03:10:02.479 --> 03:10:09.040 now getting acquainted with these problems, about about ten years ago, 3076 03:10:09.399 --> 03:10:12.079 you would be called Islamophobic if you mentioned I shall 3077 03:10:12.239 --> 03:10:15.959 six when he married a nine, when he consummated. But 3078 03:10:16.159 --> 03:10:19.079 there are worse things, and I think by next week 3079 03:10:19.120 --> 03:10:23.200 i'll prepare. I have Jimbob and Andrew on for the 3080 03:10:23.319 --> 03:10:27.520 funniest things in Islam. Jerry, if you want on, you're 3081 03:10:27.600 --> 03:10:31.799 free to come on. It's just the silly things, you know, 3082 03:10:32.159 --> 03:10:36.319 Like most punishment of the graves is because people make mistakes. 3083 03:10:36.479 --> 03:10:40.920 Urinating because men have to crouch, you know, squat when 3084 03:10:40.959 --> 03:10:43.639 they beat. If you don't, Angel will talk. 3085 03:10:45.319 --> 03:10:46.680 I got to run. But thank you guys so much. 3086 03:10:47.120 --> 03:10:52.440 Thanks, I appreciate it. Zee man, that's funny. Definitely posh. 3087 03:10:52.479 --> 03:10:55.719 We need to interact more so offline so that I 3088 03:10:55.799 --> 03:10:57.840 can prepare visuals and memes. 3089 03:10:58.000 --> 03:11:01.360 Make sure we do that, okay, thinking whether that's better 3090 03:11:01.600 --> 03:11:04.520 or whether it's better to get organic reactions. 3091 03:11:05.479 --> 03:11:08.000 That's true to you. Well, well, I'll put it this way. 3092 03:11:08.120 --> 03:11:11.360 I'll prepare some visuals and then use them if I 3093 03:11:11.479 --> 03:11:13.319 need to in the background as a you know, put 3094 03:11:13.360 --> 03:11:16.600 them in my holster. But certainly a list of the 3095 03:11:16.680 --> 03:11:21.200 most absurd, right, So it's Hadith and Kuran references that 3096 03:11:21.319 --> 03:11:23.920 are most you know, peculiar and strange. 3097 03:11:24.000 --> 03:11:28.079 Right. Sam ruined one of my favorites, which is that 3098 03:11:30.440 --> 03:11:34.040 a large's bit on the wiena by the womb? 3099 03:11:36.879 --> 03:11:40.559 What by the by the what the womb? The womb? 3100 03:11:41.000 --> 03:11:45.120 Who's womb? It's not even a brown recluse or anything 3101 03:11:45.159 --> 03:11:45.760 that we know of. 3102 03:11:47.559 --> 03:11:52.319 You know, mega something floating about, I suppose and he 3103 03:11:52.440 --> 03:11:53.360 shout stop it. 3104 03:11:55.200 --> 03:12:01.360 Stop that right now. Yeah, that's gonna be fun. When 3105 03:12:01.440 --> 03:12:02.799 is that two weeks we can have? 3106 03:12:03.559 --> 03:12:07.000 I hope I can get it ready by next Thursday 3107 03:12:07.120 --> 03:12:07.520 or something. 3108 03:12:07.719 --> 03:12:08.280 Okay, cool. 3109 03:12:08.559 --> 03:12:12.040 We're in the middle of a heat wave. It's it's 3110 03:12:12.360 --> 03:12:15.760 absolutely hallish. I was wearing a white beata so bad 3111 03:12:15.799 --> 03:12:18.239 that I had to put on this shirt nice. I 3112 03:12:18.319 --> 03:12:20.680 was wearing a white beata so white beatery that it 3113 03:12:20.799 --> 03:12:25.959 seemed like I was offering like a service. That's I like, 3114 03:12:26.159 --> 03:12:27.559 white beaten for a fair price. 3115 03:12:28.920 --> 03:12:31.120 When you when a Serbian says there's a heat wave, 3116 03:12:31.239 --> 03:12:33.879 I assume they mean there's bombs going off. Like I 3117 03:12:33.920 --> 03:12:38.040 don't know the distinction. We're like. I was, I'm like, posh, 3118 03:12:38.159 --> 03:12:40.719 can you stream next week? And he's like, well, there 3119 03:12:40.799 --> 03:12:44.239 are bombs going off in the distance, so I think 3120 03:12:44.319 --> 03:12:45.200 it'll be fine. 3121 03:12:47.079 --> 03:12:51.000 Warry Stone quarrying here and you can hear when they 3122 03:12:51.120 --> 03:12:55.559 blow up stuff, so that triggers great memories. 3123 03:12:55.639 --> 03:12:58.680 Right right right, you can use as propaganda if you want, right. 3124 03:12:59.360 --> 03:13:02.159 Sure, it makes you sound whiny. 3125 03:13:02.760 --> 03:13:06.959 Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. If there's any other chats, 3126 03:13:06.959 --> 03:13:09.000 I want to go through and make sure I didn't miss. 3127 03:13:12.280 --> 03:13:12.559 Me too. 3128 03:13:12.719 --> 03:13:16.280 So true, and we'll stick around. Thank you, new members, 3129 03:13:16.360 --> 03:13:18.879 Thank you. Shout out to Rachel for ten memberships there. 3130 03:13:19.440 --> 03:13:21.000 I'll go over to the Bob chats at a second 3131 03:13:21.040 --> 03:13:22.040 because I saw some come in. 3132 03:13:23.559 --> 03:13:24.559 I'll get the beer. 3133 03:13:25.079 --> 03:13:32.840 Yeah, you get another beer for those in the chat. 3134 03:13:32.959 --> 03:13:36.360 Is there any other questions you have? I know maybe 3135 03:13:36.440 --> 03:13:39.520 some of you wanted to ask Jay questions, but times 3136 03:13:39.559 --> 03:13:42.799 of ticking. Shout out to Jay for coming on. Appreciate that. 3137 03:13:43.959 --> 03:13:49.559 I hope you guys learned something about dispensationalism. It's perversion 3138 03:13:50.159 --> 03:13:56.079 and its impact on modern geopolitics. Not that there's suddenly 3139 03:13:56.159 --> 03:13:59.520 a button we can hit where everyone wakes up, uh, 3140 03:14:00.399 --> 03:14:02.799 as is the case in the Truther sphere, where you 3141 03:14:03.040 --> 03:14:06.479 just open the golden folders and the rays of light 3142 03:14:07.159 --> 03:14:10.399 bless upon your face and you're awakened and illuminated forever. 3143 03:14:11.559 --> 03:14:13.719 We don't hold that view. That's not as It's not 3144 03:14:14.159 --> 03:14:20.799 quite that easy, is it. Let me see twenty dollars, 3145 03:14:21.120 --> 03:14:26.000 thank you so much. Over at bob Chat for the Muslims. 3146 03:14:26.040 --> 03:14:29.799 In the chat, Mohammad prophesied that the wall of dull 3147 03:14:30.520 --> 03:14:38.760 Karnaine Surah Coronaane this is a parenthesis Surah eighteen eighty 3148 03:14:38.840 --> 03:14:42.479 three to ninety nine in the Hadiths, would stand until 3149 03:14:42.520 --> 03:14:45.200 the last day. There is no massive wall of iron 3150 03:14:45.280 --> 03:14:48.479 and copper between two mountains holding back armies of fourteen 3151 03:14:48.559 --> 03:14:53.360 hundred years. Therefore Muhammad is false prophet. Find the wall 3152 03:14:53.520 --> 03:14:57.159 or leave your cult. He didn't say this, you're all gay. 3153 03:15:00.159 --> 03:15:02.600 That part of what the connane is going to be 3154 03:15:02.719 --> 03:15:06.239 part of the stream, definitely, because for those who do 3155 03:15:06.399 --> 03:15:10.000 not know, vall Karnane means man of two horns, and 3156 03:15:10.239 --> 03:15:14.799 it refers to Alexander the Great, who had this title, 3157 03:15:14.920 --> 03:15:18.680 you know, as he went about conquering, he also went 3158 03:15:18.799 --> 03:15:25.319 about undergoing ceremonies that would render him the Avatar, the 3159 03:15:25.520 --> 03:15:30.879 Sun or whatever of the local deity, you know, And 3160 03:15:31.399 --> 03:15:33.520 he has a depiction of you know, like a helmet 3161 03:15:33.559 --> 03:15:38.000 with two horns, etc. So he is the man of 3162 03:15:38.079 --> 03:15:44.520 two horns. And these stories reflect what's called the Alexandrian romances. 3163 03:15:45.719 --> 03:15:51.559 So it's obviously crypt But as Muhammad went along. He 3164 03:15:52.600 --> 03:15:59.040 just picked up stories about local, well known people. And 3165 03:15:59.479 --> 03:16:04.360 the wall of the Colnen is built. I come. Remember, 3166 03:16:04.559 --> 03:16:09.239 it's copper and iron smelted down, you know, and they 3167 03:16:09.319 --> 03:16:12.879 build a wall to entrap your George and not a George, 3168 03:16:13.399 --> 03:16:17.159 which is a rough equivalent of Gog and Magog. But 3169 03:16:17.559 --> 03:16:20.760 Gog and Magog in the Bible are a completely different thing, 3170 03:16:20.879 --> 03:16:24.959 because yeah, George and George are basically like these mutant 3171 03:16:25.040 --> 03:16:30.079 people who outnumber the Muslims nine hundred and ninety nine 3172 03:16:30.120 --> 03:16:36.440 to one. So is that their nephlom, No, it's it's 3173 03:16:36.600 --> 03:16:42.280 it's not the same manufacturing, So they are mutated. You know. 3174 03:16:42.399 --> 03:16:45.440 They have like shield like faces with tiny eyes. So 3175 03:16:45.600 --> 03:16:49.840 some have speculated the Chinese, but. 3176 03:16:54.479 --> 03:16:57.239 Well, yes, but what is that is that Serbian piss? 3177 03:17:00.319 --> 03:17:09.760 Well mine might be that's yeah, it's plum brandy. It's 3178 03:17:10.159 --> 03:17:13.760 it's actually on unesco or it's not unco some un 3179 03:17:15.000 --> 03:17:17.760 about heritage, you know. It's it's one of the best 3180 03:17:17.799 --> 03:17:21.479 things you can ever drink. This is why I never 3181 03:17:21.639 --> 03:17:22.200 liked whiskey. 3182 03:17:22.680 --> 03:17:26.440 I grew up with Oh really and like all. 3183 03:17:26.399 --> 03:17:30.520 Like whiskey and gin woll tasted medicinal to me. Yeah, 3184 03:17:30.600 --> 03:17:33.440 like I felt like I went into the medical cabinet 3185 03:17:33.520 --> 03:17:37.879 and started chugging. But back to your juja. So they're 3186 03:17:37.879 --> 03:17:41.639 supposed to outnumber the Muslims nine hundred and ninety nine 3187 03:17:41.639 --> 03:17:46.399 toy one. So let's say it's not for now, it's 3188 03:17:46.520 --> 03:17:51.000 like for when Islam is smaller. And let's say there's 3189 03:17:51.040 --> 03:17:54.319 a one hundred thousand of them left. If you have 3190 03:17:54.479 --> 03:17:57.559 a one hundred thousand times a thousand, that's one hundred million. 3191 03:17:58.879 --> 03:18:06.799 So we're suppose to find one hundred million. It's all 3192 03:18:07.079 --> 03:18:11.760 medicine for everything, plus a cleaning agent, and we're supposed 3193 03:18:11.799 --> 03:18:15.399 to find and again I'm being very generous, one hundred 3194 03:18:15.520 --> 03:18:20.159 million people locked somewhere but behind a giant wall of 3195 03:18:20.440 --> 03:18:26.680 iron and bronze or copper, doesn't matter, And they dig 3196 03:18:26.840 --> 03:18:32.079 every day and they almost break through. But when they stop, 3197 03:18:32.719 --> 03:18:36.040 they go back and Allah restores it during the night. 3198 03:18:36.959 --> 03:18:38.280 But one go how convenient. 3199 03:18:39.319 --> 03:18:45.200 But one day they won't leave by saying tomorrow we 3200 03:18:45.280 --> 03:18:49.959 will finish. They will say tomorrow we will finish in Chollah, 3201 03:18:51.000 --> 03:18:54.959 Allah willing, and then Allah won't restore it. So the 3202 03:18:55.040 --> 03:18:57.680 next day they will finish it and break out, and 3203 03:18:57.760 --> 03:18:59.879 there will be so many of them they will drink 3204 03:19:00.159 --> 03:19:04.360 entire lakes and rivers and it's glory. 3205 03:19:05.120 --> 03:19:06.719 Yeah, it sounds a lot. I mean, I feel like, 3206 03:19:07.120 --> 03:19:10.760 I mean, what's her name, Greta Tunberg could have written 3207 03:19:11.040 --> 03:19:15.200 Islam based on like the structure of how they're like, 3208 03:19:15.319 --> 03:19:18.200 well it will all this stuff could happen, and then 3209 03:19:18.559 --> 03:19:21.840 and then it just like, you know, it's just this promise, 3210 03:19:22.200 --> 03:19:25.200 this promise, this promise, and then there's nothing that actually 3211 03:19:25.399 --> 03:19:29.399 corresponds to reality. The only thing about Islam that corresponds 3212 03:19:29.479 --> 03:19:35.799 with the reality of human beings and our existence over 3213 03:19:35.920 --> 03:19:39.280 time is Christian. It's like, you know, the only thing 3214 03:19:39.360 --> 03:19:42.559 that they that they describe accurately, it seems to be 3215 03:19:42.719 --> 03:19:45.959 borrowed from a Christian worldview. I don't know how they 3216 03:19:46.040 --> 03:19:49.840 get over that. Now they might get something descriptive things right, 3217 03:19:49.920 --> 03:19:54.079 but but their whole foundation. I always tell the Muslims 3218 03:19:54.120 --> 03:19:59.559 who jump on the comments that I go okay, they say, oh, well, 3219 03:19:59.680 --> 03:20:02.879 Islam is true Christianity's falls, and I just simply say, 3220 03:20:03.559 --> 03:20:05.799 for Islam to be true, you need Christianity to be 3221 03:20:06.120 --> 03:20:08.959 partially true. For Christianity to be true, you need none 3222 03:20:09.000 --> 03:20:10.040 of Islam to be true. 3223 03:20:11.079 --> 03:20:17.360 Yeah, So I think David would coin the phrase the 3224 03:20:17.520 --> 03:20:25.479 Islamic dilemma or the Quranic dilemma. But basically the Korana 3225 03:20:25.600 --> 03:20:29.840 firms the Angel and the Torat, which is basically the 3226 03:20:30.079 --> 03:20:34.040 Gospel and the Torah. So maybe you want to take 3227 03:20:34.120 --> 03:20:37.200 a contracted view of those and you know, just saying 3228 03:20:37.280 --> 03:20:42.479 geel okay, just the Gospels or the Torah, just maybe 3229 03:20:42.559 --> 03:20:47.159 the pentateook or something. The problem is there's no way 3230 03:20:47.239 --> 03:20:50.280 to render it where you either have to accept the 3231 03:20:50.399 --> 03:20:57.680 legitimacy yes, and everything else. Like I mentioned the Alexandrian romance, 3232 03:20:59.520 --> 03:21:02.079 pagan stuff is also local and. 3233 03:21:02.559 --> 03:21:06.399 A Gnostic, as as our Albanian. The one Albanian we like, 3234 03:21:07.840 --> 03:21:12.280 the the accordion player. He did a stream. I would 3235 03:21:12.319 --> 03:21:13.920 do another one of those, by the way, because like 3236 03:21:14.319 --> 03:21:18.000 that's really interesting to track back Islam too early gnostic. 3237 03:21:19.319 --> 03:21:24.520 Yeah, yeah, like you like the Jesus wasn't actually crucified, 3238 03:21:25.159 --> 03:21:28.120 he was replaced. That's not the universal that's I believe. 3239 03:21:28.120 --> 03:21:31.559 It's a majority Islamic view, but not universal. You have 3240 03:21:31.719 --> 03:21:34.760 those who don't believe that, and they have their arguments. 3241 03:21:35.920 --> 03:21:39.799 But obviously a lot of things, just just as I said, 3242 03:21:39.840 --> 03:21:49.760 it's the most improvised religion ever. But but what was 3243 03:21:49.840 --> 03:21:55.360 I talking about. Yes, the Qur'an basically says you need 3244 03:21:55.600 --> 03:21:59.159 the Christians, you need to go to your Angel. The Jews, 3245 03:21:59.200 --> 03:22:01.639 you need to go to the Torad. And there's a 3246 03:22:01.920 --> 03:22:07.079 hadith where Mohammad was asked to solve some dispute after 3247 03:22:07.200 --> 03:22:10.440 conquering like a Jewish place. So he's in charge. They 3248 03:22:10.479 --> 03:22:13.079 go to him for the dispute and he says, bring 3249 03:22:13.200 --> 03:22:15.120 me a copy of the Torah. And they bring him 3250 03:22:15.120 --> 03:22:17.600 a copy of the Torah and he gets up from 3251 03:22:17.799 --> 03:22:19.920 the cushion he's sitting on. Right, this is the Middle East, 3252 03:22:19.959 --> 03:22:24.840 and they use chairs because wood is hella expensive as 3253 03:22:25.040 --> 03:22:29.639 the children say nowadays, And he places the scroll on 3254 03:22:29.920 --> 03:22:33.120 the cushion as a sign of reverence and he says, 3255 03:22:33.399 --> 03:22:36.959 I believe in you and the one who revealed you, right, 3256 03:22:37.120 --> 03:22:41.600 so he confirms it. There are critiques of the Jews 3257 03:22:41.600 --> 03:22:44.719 and Christians that we pervert the meaning. That's a completely 3258 03:22:44.799 --> 03:22:51.239 different thing. And then there's the passages where the Muslims 3259 03:22:51.239 --> 03:22:55.079 are sharing for what we call the Byzantine Empire, right, 3260 03:22:55.239 --> 03:23:01.319 the Roman Empire against the Persians, because the Persia are Zoroastrians, 3261 03:23:01.799 --> 03:23:06.319 the fire worshipers as they're called there, and the Romans 3262 03:23:06.360 --> 03:23:10.079 are the people of the book because they're Christian, they 3263 03:23:10.159 --> 03:23:16.799 have revelation of Allah. Now we're talking about seventh century Byzantium. 3264 03:23:17.920 --> 03:23:21.959 Things were handled at that point as far as what 3265 03:23:22.159 --> 03:23:27.159 constitutes the New Testament. So if Muhammad was saying these people, 3266 03:23:27.200 --> 03:23:29.360 we're cheering for these people because they have the revelation 3267 03:23:29.479 --> 03:23:32.479 of Allah, that means that what they had is the 3268 03:23:32.559 --> 03:23:36.600 revelation of Allah. Not to mention also that they say, Oh, 3269 03:23:37.680 --> 03:23:41.239 Jesus came to the Jews, and a portion of them 3270 03:23:41.680 --> 03:23:45.319 accepted him, another portion rejected him, and Allah will until 3271 03:23:45.479 --> 03:23:49.440 the judgment day make sure that the ones who accepted 3272 03:23:49.520 --> 03:23:54.799 him were made superior. So those who accepted Christ will 3273 03:23:54.840 --> 03:23:58.559 be kept superior until judgment day to those who rejected 3274 03:23:59.799 --> 03:24:03.000 And because it can't be the trinitarians, obviously we are 3275 03:24:03.079 --> 03:24:10.879 all idolators and polytheists, right, So who are these people then? Yeah? Right? 3276 03:24:11.559 --> 03:24:15.680 Is there some super secret Jewish sect that's monotheistic and 3277 03:24:15.799 --> 03:24:20.079 basically would have to be Muslim So it makes no sense, 3278 03:24:20.319 --> 03:24:23.520 as they said, it's winging it. But then they latch 3279 03:24:23.639 --> 03:24:26.399 onto things like, oh, the Trinity is illogical, as if 3280 03:24:26.559 --> 03:24:30.120 you can just impose logic on what God is. 3281 03:24:31.239 --> 03:24:35.120 Yeah, that brings up you mentioned seventh seventh century. I 3282 03:24:35.159 --> 03:24:36.600 don't know if it's six or seven. I don't know 3283 03:24:36.639 --> 03:24:41.680 if it matters. But Jay's hypotheticals is a pretty sharp 3284 03:24:41.760 --> 03:24:44.399 knife against the islam debater, isn't it. 3285 03:24:44.639 --> 03:24:50.280 That's the Islamic dilemma because if the scriptures we have 3286 03:24:50.760 --> 03:24:54.200 are unreliable, then the Quran is wrong. If they are 3287 03:24:54.280 --> 03:24:58.040 reliable and they contradict the Quran, then Islam is wrong. Yeah, 3288 03:24:58.360 --> 03:25:02.760 so it's wrong either way, will go. It's corrupted. But 3289 03:25:03.200 --> 03:25:04.879 we can prove Mohammed from. 3290 03:25:04.760 --> 03:25:07.559 Script So because like this, the Koran is right and 3291 03:25:07.639 --> 03:25:11.040 it's based on scripture. The parts that are wrong about 3292 03:25:11.079 --> 03:25:14.280 scripture are wrong because it doesn't go with the Quran. 3293 03:25:14.879 --> 03:25:18.120 Yeah, it doesn't have to make sense. 3294 03:25:18.159 --> 03:25:20.319 It just don't even You don't even need three beers 3295 03:25:20.360 --> 03:25:25.079 to laugh at that. Wow, And they don't see a 3296 03:25:25.120 --> 03:25:27.120 problem with it. They just fart. They just fart. 3297 03:25:27.760 --> 03:25:28.360 Well, I have no. 3298 03:25:28.440 --> 03:25:34.639 Response, So I think Jay should start fo rhetorics. Did 3299 03:25:34.680 --> 03:25:36.479 you watch that debate, by the way, all the way through, 3300 03:25:36.479 --> 03:25:38.000 You're just gonna get snippets. 3301 03:25:37.719 --> 03:25:41.680 Or what get too because it started at midnight and 3302 03:25:41.920 --> 03:25:45.639 today I was preparing mostly for this dream. So I 3303 03:25:45.760 --> 03:25:49.120 have to finish it. I did get a sizeable portion in, 3304 03:25:49.639 --> 03:25:52.680 but ultimately I have to sleep as well. 3305 03:25:53.719 --> 03:25:57.680 Who farted his opponent? The squeaky guy, the squeaky moles 3306 03:25:57.879 --> 03:25:58.639 mole sounding guy. 3307 03:25:59.319 --> 03:26:02.559 Yeah. Uh, that guy got into a lot of trouble 3308 03:26:03.000 --> 03:26:14.559 for racially abusing some Chinese Christians Chinese. There are good 3309 03:26:14.639 --> 03:26:26.639 sides to him. Good job job redeeming qualities. Uh time. 3310 03:26:26.680 --> 03:26:30.159 Same go to Jay's social media. He did a pretty 3311 03:26:30.200 --> 03:26:33.040 good job of putting it on every single one of his. 3312 03:26:33.120 --> 03:26:39.920 Accounts, like goes into a gym and like plays it 3313 03:26:40.040 --> 03:26:40.840 on the TV. 3314 03:26:41.319 --> 03:26:44.440 Part poor guy, All as fart is all as fart, 3315 03:26:44.760 --> 03:26:46.559 is all as fart, like any human part. 3316 03:26:47.079 --> 03:26:50.520 Uh actually doesn't have an anus? Oh right, right, right, 3317 03:26:53.360 --> 03:26:55.040 there's the difference between Adam. 3318 03:26:54.799 --> 03:26:59.559 And Oh really, Oh it's serious. Oh you're not even 3319 03:26:59.680 --> 03:27:02.360 being acetious. Well I can't even tell. I can't even 3320 03:27:02.440 --> 03:27:05.319 tell when when Pasha is refuting Islam, I don't know 3321 03:27:05.399 --> 03:27:08.520 when he's being sarcastic or not. That's how bad Islam is. 3322 03:27:09.639 --> 03:27:13.200 You have no idea how, and I will introduce it 3323 03:27:13.319 --> 03:27:14.520 to you and Andrew, I. 3324 03:27:16.239 --> 03:27:18.000 Oh yeah, we should do. That's a party, Are you 3325 03:27:18.120 --> 03:27:21.159 kidding me? Four of us watching like looking over the 3326 03:27:21.239 --> 03:27:24.280 most funny things about Islam? Are you kidding me? 3327 03:27:25.159 --> 03:27:28.040 Do you know how horrible it is for me to 3328 03:27:28.559 --> 03:27:30.879 have all of these in mind right now and not 3329 03:27:31.040 --> 03:27:31.600 be able. 3330 03:27:31.399 --> 03:27:33.040 To not say them? No, no, no, don't roomy. 3331 03:27:33.440 --> 03:27:37.479 I gotta see it because I believe the better creating 3332 03:27:37.719 --> 03:27:41.879 it created. 3333 03:27:44.319 --> 03:27:46.079 Actually, I want to go over that real quick before 3334 03:27:46.120 --> 03:27:49.399 we finish up the This seems to be fatal. The 3335 03:27:49.600 --> 03:27:54.799 question is the is the Quran uncreated? Because they view 3336 03:27:55.000 --> 03:27:57.719 similar to a Protestant who sees the Bible as some 3337 03:27:57.840 --> 03:28:02.200 sort of like uh image, material eternal feature of reality 3338 03:28:02.399 --> 03:28:08.360 that just happens to materialize itself with no tradition or history. Similarly, 3339 03:28:08.920 --> 03:28:11.159 are you saying that the when you ask? When we 3340 03:28:11.280 --> 03:28:14.920 ask is the Qur'an uncreated, we're asking a similar question, right, 3341 03:28:15.280 --> 03:28:22.360 We're saying, like, is this thing itself? Uh, the the revelator, 3342 03:28:22.879 --> 03:28:26.319 the reflector of revelation itself as an item, as an object. 3343 03:28:27.000 --> 03:28:29.799 I'll explain the logic to you. Just because Jay says 3344 03:28:29.920 --> 03:28:34.280 there are actual thought hadiths. So there's one where that 3345 03:28:34.639 --> 03:28:41.159 Ridvan show j where the chap runs away from hearing 3346 03:28:41.280 --> 03:28:46.920 Muslim prayers and fats do not hear them as a yeah, yeah, yeah, 3347 03:28:47.680 --> 03:28:49.719 no no no no no, no, no, no, no like 3348 03:28:49.840 --> 03:28:56.680 that exactly. There is a hadith that has been popularized 3349 03:28:56.760 --> 03:29:00.760 recently that the eyes of the leather straps of the anus, okay, 3350 03:29:01.600 --> 03:29:05.719 which means that while you're awake, you know, you have control. 3351 03:29:05.600 --> 03:29:09.440 Over the demons come unto your butt. Right, that's a 3352 03:29:09.479 --> 03:29:09.959 weak spot. 3353 03:29:11.600 --> 03:29:16.280 It's that while you're sleeping you could fart, and unless 3354 03:29:16.319 --> 03:29:20.879 you do your ablutions, like your ritual cleansings, your prayer 3355 03:29:20.920 --> 03:29:24.120 won't count. That's why when you wake up you have 3356 03:29:24.200 --> 03:29:26.600 to do your ablutions because you might have farted in 3357 03:29:27.120 --> 03:29:31.719 during your sleep. Okay, okay, so very important. 3358 03:29:32.079 --> 03:29:36.399 Okay, all his messenger said in the when when don 3359 03:29:36.559 --> 03:29:39.600 is pronounced, Satan takes to his heels and passes wind. 3360 03:29:40.159 --> 03:29:43.159 Satan farts with noise during his flight in order to 3361 03:29:43.360 --> 03:29:44.600 not hear the adon. 3362 03:29:44.920 --> 03:29:46.040 So there is. 3363 03:29:48.200 --> 03:29:48.920 Fart defense. 3364 03:29:51.399 --> 03:29:52.760 He's got a wind attribute. 3365 03:29:53.239 --> 03:29:55.079 How do you how do you teach that? I mean, 3366 03:29:55.280 --> 03:29:56.920 this is the kind of thing like you know, like 3367 03:29:57.079 --> 03:29:59.280 like if we were in like divine liturgy and our 3368 03:29:59.360 --> 03:30:02.399 priest was all and then God, you know, farting to 3369 03:30:02.479 --> 03:30:05.360 make sure you don't hear ship, we wouldn't even know 3370 03:30:05.479 --> 03:30:08.719 what to do with it, like like that's just like now, 3371 03:30:08.879 --> 03:30:11.399 now there is The Muslims would say that's not fair. 3372 03:30:12.000 --> 03:30:14.559 We don't accept all the hadiths because these are sort 3373 03:30:14.600 --> 03:30:17.799 of like these higher uh, this kind of an elected 3374 03:30:17.840 --> 03:30:21.319 symposium of smarty pants people looking back, right, you know, 3375 03:30:21.440 --> 03:30:24.280 to be fair, the hadiths is a collection, right of 3376 03:30:24.959 --> 03:30:29.520 of reflection or philosophical reflection on the Quran. Right is 3377 03:30:29.559 --> 03:30:32.719 that is that accurate? It's like a it's like a 3378 03:30:32.920 --> 03:30:34.440 post sort. 3379 03:30:34.239 --> 03:30:39.639 Of very okay, Yeah, I have this guy. 3380 03:30:42.000 --> 03:30:44.239 The fart teeth. That's good. 3381 03:30:45.239 --> 03:30:49.680 Uh. You have this guy called Bohari al Bahari and 3382 03:30:51.040 --> 03:30:53.920 I can't remember one or two centuries off to Muhammed. 3383 03:30:54.719 --> 03:30:58.239 He goes from basically Central Asia. 3384 03:30:58.280 --> 03:31:04.719 The shittergy sorry sorry, go ahead. 3385 03:31:06.399 --> 03:31:11.200 So he goes over to a saudio not Saudi Arabia. 3386 03:31:10.840 --> 03:31:12.760 But fair enough. 3387 03:31:12.879 --> 03:31:19.000 Yeah, and he collects the oral traditions and there's a 3388 03:31:19.040 --> 03:31:22.120 whole methodology as to how reliable it is, you know, 3389 03:31:22.239 --> 03:31:25.680 the chain of narrations like this guy's Mohammad said this, 3390 03:31:26.719 --> 03:31:28.920 and he said it to this guy. This guy said 3391 03:31:28.959 --> 03:31:31.639 it to this guy what they call the chain of narration. 3392 03:31:34.559 --> 03:31:37.520 And that's how you get you, you know, the grading system, 3393 03:31:38.360 --> 03:31:41.159 you know, and sometimes in the chain of narration there's 3394 03:31:41.159 --> 03:31:43.920 a guy who's known to be unreliable, so you rejected. 3395 03:31:45.559 --> 03:31:50.920 The gradacious system is basically you've got four potentially four 3396 03:31:51.000 --> 03:31:56.040 and a half gradings. So you've got the rejected ones. 3397 03:31:56.479 --> 03:31:58.479 I can't remember the word for that, something with the 3398 03:31:58.600 --> 03:32:03.559 starts with an M. Then you've got the weak ones 3399 03:32:03.959 --> 03:32:09.680 called dai, which means you know, we're not too sure, 3400 03:32:09.760 --> 03:32:14.120 but it gets a passing grade. You know, this is 3401 03:32:14.280 --> 03:32:17.440 very important because people tell you, oh, that day, we 3402 03:32:17.520 --> 03:32:22.600 don't have to believe that. Meanwhile, you no, you actually do. 3403 03:32:23.879 --> 03:32:28.479 It's just that it's not as reliable as the next one, 3404 03:32:28.520 --> 03:32:33.280 which is hassan, which means good, so it's pretty solid, 3405 03:32:33.680 --> 03:32:38.959 you know. Then you get sahei, which means sound, and 3406 03:32:39.120 --> 03:32:42.840 that's for proof. That gets an A as far as 3407 03:32:42.920 --> 03:32:46.520 gradings go. And I said four and a half because 3408 03:32:46.559 --> 03:32:53.760 you have a subset of sahi hadiz called motawa, which 3409 03:32:53.879 --> 03:32:58.360 means repeated. Okay, so you get them from multiple sources. 3410 03:32:58.639 --> 03:33:06.200 They aligned. So it's so you have scholars who say 3411 03:33:06.319 --> 03:33:12.520 rejecting is like rejecting a versus the Koran. And then 3412 03:33:12.559 --> 03:33:15.760 obviously you get the Quran. You also have like sonas, 3413 03:33:16.760 --> 03:33:20.719 which is means life. That's where you give the terms sunny, 3414 03:33:21.200 --> 03:33:25.920 because they're following the son I think that's how it's said, 3415 03:33:26.280 --> 03:33:29.159 like the life of the profit of Allah. Right, So 3416 03:33:29.440 --> 03:33:32.000 that's why they dress a certain way, they behave a 3417 03:33:32.120 --> 03:33:36.360 certain way, because they're emulating the life of Muhammad. Right, 3418 03:33:36.680 --> 03:33:41.959 that's what Sunni means Ali, which means the followers are Ali. 3419 03:33:42.600 --> 03:33:45.319 That's a different thing, right, But that's where you get. 3420 03:33:45.440 --> 03:33:47.760 You also have the tough sears, which are the commentaries 3421 03:33:47.959 --> 03:33:53.120 on on on these topics. But here's how it works 3422 03:33:53.159 --> 03:33:57.399 in practice. It can be any of the grades except 3423 03:33:57.440 --> 03:34:01.840 the rejected, if it works in their favor, like, oh, 3424 03:34:02.040 --> 03:34:07.799 Mohammed fed like a starving orphan. No warriors, but oh 3425 03:34:08.079 --> 03:34:08.680 this is great. 3426 03:34:08.840 --> 03:34:11.719 This is just cruel if that's true. 3427 03:34:12.559 --> 03:34:15.399 Mohammad was apparently a red head, that. 3428 03:34:15.479 --> 03:34:18.959 Makes definitely false if he was a redhead. 3429 03:34:19.040 --> 03:34:23.399 Related to Elizabeth. I've heard that it was a process 3430 03:34:23.479 --> 03:34:28.399 of dyeing your beard. You have certain clerics who do 3431 03:34:28.520 --> 03:34:29.200 that nowadays. 3432 03:34:29.920 --> 03:34:32.159 Why because it's like a holy color or something. 3433 03:34:32.799 --> 03:34:36.239 I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Obviously, you could say 3434 03:34:36.399 --> 03:34:42.360 like red was associated with royalty, which is why when 3435 03:34:42.399 --> 03:34:48.280 you look at our iconography. You see Christ whereas red underneath, 3436 03:34:48.479 --> 03:34:53.319 blue over that because he is God who has taken 3437 03:34:53.399 --> 03:35:01.239 on humanity. And then with the Theotokos, she wears blue 3438 03:35:01.360 --> 03:35:05.120 underneath and red over because she's human but has been 3439 03:35:05.200 --> 03:35:10.159 granted this royal status as the Mother of God, the 3440 03:35:10.280 --> 03:35:16.319 queen Mother by you know it's granted, right, But I'm 3441 03:35:16.399 --> 03:35:21.239 not sure that's just a slightly important speculation. 3442 03:35:21.440 --> 03:35:23.760 In the Saints have not said to make fun of 3443 03:35:24.120 --> 03:35:27.399 Oh no, oh, you're saying, like our joke about the Islam. No, 3444 03:35:27.479 --> 03:35:30.159 we're making light of Islam. Okay, we're not making light 3445 03:35:30.360 --> 03:35:32.399 of the Holy Liturgy or anything else. 3446 03:35:32.559 --> 03:35:36.920 I mean you would have to go argue with the 3447 03:35:37.000 --> 03:35:37.840 prophet Elijah. 3448 03:35:39.280 --> 03:35:47.479 Yeah, we're fully making fun of Islam. We're not just 3449 03:35:47.479 --> 03:35:51.040 because we're using a reference. We're making fun of their 3450 03:35:51.440 --> 03:35:52.719 iteration of these things. 3451 03:35:52.760 --> 03:35:57.399 Okay, Right, So that people draw conclusions, oh, he was 3452 03:35:57.479 --> 03:36:05.040 a redhead, I sincerely do that not impossible because you've 3453 03:36:05.079 --> 03:36:09.440 got this Indo European strand going from all the way 3454 03:36:09.479 --> 03:36:17.639 to northern India. So possible. But the courage not particularly known. 3455 03:36:18.200 --> 03:36:20.799 What is very emphasized in the hoodieth that he was 3456 03:36:21.200 --> 03:36:22.200 very very white. 3457 03:36:23.200 --> 03:36:26.760 Are there even any historical references of very powerful people 3458 03:36:26.799 --> 03:36:30.399 who were redheads and had that very irritated skin. Look. 3459 03:36:31.799 --> 03:36:33.079 Genghis Khan was a redhead. 3460 03:36:35.200 --> 03:36:40.639 Barbarossa, uh Friedrich Barbarossa, the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. 3461 03:36:40.920 --> 03:36:46.280 Barbarossa is literally Italian for red beard, so he stunning 3462 03:36:47.479 --> 03:36:48.799 d Sims in our chat. 3463 03:36:50.639 --> 03:36:53.200 D Sims is the only one I like that I 3464 03:36:53.319 --> 03:36:53.559 know of. 3465 03:36:55.120 --> 03:37:01.280 Yeah, so there are some, I suppose and the Irish. 3466 03:37:03.360 --> 03:37:09.399 So as long again, there's very silly religion. That's why 3467 03:37:09.440 --> 03:37:11.479 I want to make it like a fun thing, because 3468 03:37:11.520 --> 03:37:15.239 there are there are silly aspects that aren't particularly fun. 3469 03:37:15.959 --> 03:37:18.559 Yeah, yeah, well let me know in advance. Because I 3470 03:37:18.639 --> 03:37:21.000 can animate too, Like if there's any like a break 3471 03:37:21.120 --> 03:37:23.680 time that I can make an animation that could potentially 3472 03:37:23.760 --> 03:37:28.799 get us killed, I should we should do that, Because 3473 03:37:29.319 --> 03:37:30.600 I can do that. You just got to give me 3474 03:37:30.680 --> 03:37:33.280 heads up, like maybe there's like a little section of 3475 03:37:33.360 --> 03:37:35.360 a minute that I can make something or. 3476 03:37:35.879 --> 03:37:39.799 Okay, I'll have to calculate it without consulting you, because 3477 03:37:39.959 --> 03:37:42.799 I'd have to tell you what you need to know 3478 03:37:43.000 --> 03:37:44.440 without your knowing whether you are. 3479 03:37:44.360 --> 03:37:47.239 Yeah, without me, well you might have to forfeit me 3480 03:37:47.440 --> 03:37:49.840 laughing one to one on the phone with you, and 3481 03:37:50.440 --> 03:37:52.639 I'll laugh again, of course, like you won't ruin the. 3482 03:37:53.399 --> 03:37:58.760 Definite experience watching with friends, but I'll pick some out 3483 03:38:02.079 --> 03:38:04.799 I can give it, like general spoilers, like you have 3484 03:38:05.000 --> 03:38:10.479 no idea, how glorious the idea of how babies are born. 3485 03:38:11.120 --> 03:38:15.079 Mm hmmm, because women haven't wait, can't wait, there's a 3486 03:38:15.159 --> 03:38:16.639 male and the female spem. 3487 03:38:17.479 --> 03:38:18.440 That's that. 3488 03:38:18.920 --> 03:38:23.159 Yeah, that's actually it's actually funny because I just I 3489 03:38:23.319 --> 03:38:26.719 was thinking of a game where while you were talking, 3490 03:38:26.799 --> 03:38:29.920 I was playing a game with myself on Google trying 3491 03:38:29.959 --> 03:38:33.879 to write hadith about X whatever it is, and sperm 3492 03:38:34.040 --> 03:38:37.159 was one of the things I inserted, like hadith about sperm, 3493 03:38:37.399 --> 03:38:41.399 Hadeeth about donkeys, hoodieth about It's called hadith about is 3494 03:38:41.479 --> 03:38:43.680 the game I play, and I see if it comes 3495 03:38:43.799 --> 03:38:46.399 up as something. I think it's a fun game. They 3496 03:38:46.479 --> 03:38:49.159 have collections of it, you know, so be like a 3497 03:38:49.239 --> 03:38:54.399 home board game teeth or not. Is this in Hadeeth 3498 03:38:54.479 --> 03:38:57.239 or not? Right, you read something ridiculous like there's no way, 3499 03:38:57.520 --> 03:39:00.079 there's no way. You're like, oh, with the actual oh 3500 03:39:00.120 --> 03:39:03.120 he is everyone drinks you know, yeah. 3501 03:39:03.200 --> 03:39:05.680 Yeah, And by the way, all the things about like 3502 03:39:06.200 --> 03:39:09.399 sex and drinking and stuff that are prohibited are prohibited 3503 03:39:09.559 --> 03:39:10.239 at the moment. 3504 03:39:10.360 --> 03:39:13.040 No, no, no, this is coping if you're defending right now. No, 3505 03:39:13.200 --> 03:39:15.280 we're not talking about liquid. We didn't say liquid. No 3506 03:39:15.520 --> 03:39:16.479 did we say liquid? 3507 03:39:17.280 --> 03:39:21.639 Liquids that come together and make a child, and it 3508 03:39:21.760 --> 03:39:25.440 determines which one comes first, determines whom the child will resemble. 3509 03:39:26.360 --> 03:39:30.479 And this isn't this did exist in surrounding cultures. 3510 03:39:30.559 --> 03:39:33.040 By the way, blood is liquid too, So I mean 3511 03:39:33.319 --> 03:39:34.719 you're trying to reduce it to some. 3512 03:39:34.799 --> 03:39:40.719 More broad Well, the male sperm you can call it. 3513 03:39:40.959 --> 03:39:43.159 Oh the are you he's saying it's he's saying you're 3514 03:39:43.239 --> 03:39:46.120 using the term sperm, and it's really they're using the 3515 03:39:46.239 --> 03:39:46.840 term liquid. 3516 03:39:46.920 --> 03:39:50.479 Is that what it is? Here's the thing. Sperm basically 3517 03:39:50.559 --> 03:39:54.959 means seed. This was my famous statement when I was 3518 03:39:55.040 --> 03:39:59.840 on Jaystream. No one confuses like sperm meaning seed. No 3519 03:40:00.120 --> 03:40:01.639 going to say Johnny Apple sperm. 3520 03:40:02.920 --> 03:40:04.840 They should They should from now on. 3521 03:40:05.079 --> 03:40:07.719 Technically you could, but in English that's not how it works. 3522 03:40:07.760 --> 03:40:11.000 But sperm basically means seed. So there's a so you 3523 03:40:11.040 --> 03:40:14.440 can call it a liquid, but it's a seminus liquid. 3524 03:40:14.479 --> 03:40:17.559 You know, something that has to do with reproduction. It 3525 03:40:18.159 --> 03:40:22.159 describes that the male seed is thick and white, the 3526 03:40:22.239 --> 03:40:26.959 female seed is thin and yellow. So they're basically describing 3527 03:40:27.159 --> 03:40:33.559 urine and one of the pants one of the fame 3528 03:40:33.760 --> 03:40:39.360 favorite words of since we're enumerting your best friends the 3529 03:40:39.719 --> 03:40:44.200 lard king, so basically describing squirting as as some type 3530 03:40:44.200 --> 03:40:45.040 of seminal fluid. 3531 03:40:45.120 --> 03:40:49.239 So it's ancient. So the modern take, you know, unfortunately, 3532 03:40:49.360 --> 03:40:54.920 we're we're, we're we're basically undated with it online. But 3533 03:40:55.079 --> 03:40:59.920 there's this, there's this this myth of quote squirting right 3534 03:41:00.000 --> 03:41:02.799 whatever it's you know, and it's been pissed all along, 3535 03:41:02.920 --> 03:41:05.600 and what you're saying it sounds like posh. Now, I 3536 03:41:05.639 --> 03:41:07.399 don't want to falsely accuse you of this, but it 3537 03:41:07.440 --> 03:41:09.559 sounds like you're blaming Islam for this myth. 3538 03:41:11.280 --> 03:41:13.280 I may or may not, and I'm going to maintain 3539 03:41:13.440 --> 03:41:18.479 wait until next week when But it says that they 3540 03:41:18.600 --> 03:41:19.959 come together and that's how. 3541 03:41:19.920 --> 03:41:22.239 You start heavy thing. 3542 03:41:24.479 --> 03:41:25.040 Yeah, what's that? 3543 03:41:25.760 --> 03:41:25.920 Is that? 3544 03:41:26.120 --> 03:41:27.920 Male or female? We don't know, do we? 3545 03:41:28.079 --> 03:41:31.879 I know? But embryology is definitely like reliant on like 3546 03:41:32.239 --> 03:41:36.680 very ancient medicinal knowledge. This is this isn't a fun part, 3547 03:41:36.799 --> 03:41:41.239 so I can say it here. Yeah, it also gets 3548 03:41:41.280 --> 03:41:46.440 where they stem from. But just so you know, just 3549 03:41:46.520 --> 03:41:49.399 so you know, male sperm does not come from the testicles. 3550 03:41:50.120 --> 03:41:51.959 That's that's what idiots. 3551 03:41:51.559 --> 03:41:53.719 Think comes from the green. 3552 03:41:54.200 --> 03:41:56.399 Now, interesting that this is what is long teaches. But 3553 03:41:56.520 --> 03:41:59.159 when they got African slaves, they knew how to castrate. 3554 03:42:00.680 --> 03:42:03.479 Interesting, that's a weird thing to do when when the 3555 03:42:03.559 --> 03:42:04.639 first premise is true. 3556 03:42:05.159 --> 03:42:09.879 Yeah, yeah, but back to this which isn't again, this 3557 03:42:10.040 --> 03:42:12.319 isn't fun. It's a bit sad because that's how they 3558 03:42:12.399 --> 03:42:15.319 got the knowledge. But it shows how ridiculous it is. 3559 03:42:15.399 --> 03:42:20.680 They say that that's basically at the start of the 3560 03:42:21.000 --> 03:42:24.559 process of the formation of human being in the womb, 3561 03:42:24.600 --> 03:42:29.079 it's a blood clot and then it develops on and on, 3562 03:42:29.239 --> 03:42:32.040 you know, sids getting bones in the meat on the bones. 3563 03:42:34.440 --> 03:42:36.680 The reason I say it's sad is because a lot 3564 03:42:36.799 --> 03:42:42.600 of these speculations stem from knowledge of miscarriages, you know, 3565 03:42:43.040 --> 03:42:46.840 and after you see what comes out, you know after 3566 03:42:46.920 --> 03:42:51.479 a miscarriage, you know, you sort of have to work 3567 03:42:51.559 --> 03:42:57.959 with that. So they from squirting is from the hearts. 3568 03:43:01.879 --> 03:43:04.040 More ridiculous than that. It's so random. No one's going 3569 03:43:04.120 --> 03:43:06.799 to guess it unless you cheat and look it up 3570 03:43:07.399 --> 03:43:10.440 right or know it already, but you couldn't guess for 3571 03:43:10.520 --> 03:43:15.559 the life of you. Neither could I. But basically they 3572 03:43:15.639 --> 03:43:19.000 get this. You have Greek writings on this, you have 3573 03:43:19.120 --> 03:43:22.159 Persian writings on this. You know, they basically have an 3574 03:43:22.200 --> 03:43:27.840 idea that because if both animals and human beings have miscarriages, 3575 03:43:28.360 --> 03:43:35.239 you get this, you know, rejected fetus and it's just 3576 03:43:35.959 --> 03:43:40.200 bloody and gory, and that's they somehow deduced from that 3577 03:43:40.440 --> 03:43:42.879 or try to reverse engineer. Okay, so it started like 3578 03:43:42.959 --> 03:43:46.040 some type of blood and then develops more and more, 3579 03:43:46.879 --> 03:43:48.920 and if it fails at a certain point, you know, 3580 03:43:49.040 --> 03:43:51.079 we get this. But if it fully gets to the 3581 03:43:51.159 --> 03:43:57.200 point of development, then we get a human being, which 3582 03:43:57.319 --> 03:44:02.280 is not something I would say. So Greeks were retarded 3583 03:44:02.360 --> 03:44:06.079 because they couldn't figure it out. No, But the Quran, 3584 03:44:06.760 --> 03:44:09.440 which claims that it starts through a blood clot, the 3585 03:44:09.600 --> 03:44:14.120 Quran doesn't claim to be the musings of Greek philosophers 3586 03:44:14.920 --> 03:44:21.479 or Persians or Indians or whomever whoever. It claims to 3587 03:44:21.520 --> 03:44:25.079 be the revelation of an old knowing God. So that's 3588 03:44:25.120 --> 03:44:26.479 a problem for Islamon. 3589 03:44:27.040 --> 03:44:28.879 Did you have this one planned? I hate to ruin 3590 03:44:28.920 --> 03:44:31.680 all your jokes ahead of time. Posh. But if a 3591 03:44:31.760 --> 03:44:33.520 man has sex with a sheep and one of the 3592 03:44:33.600 --> 03:44:37.479 thought was that sheep gives birth to a human, if 3593 03:44:37.520 --> 03:44:40.280 that's the case, if that happens, he can lead prayers. 3594 03:44:40.399 --> 03:44:42.159 Are you saying the sheep could lead prayers or the 3595 03:44:42.280 --> 03:44:47.159 man who actually produced a child through a sheep could 3596 03:44:47.239 --> 03:44:49.680 lead prayers. I'm hard to tell. 3597 03:44:50.319 --> 03:44:53.280 That's not something I know. I have to look it 3598 03:44:53.399 --> 03:44:57.680 up because there are passages. Again, I won't be including 3599 03:44:57.760 --> 03:45:02.559 like gross gross things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to 3600 03:45:02.600 --> 03:45:05.120 give it light. But there is like, oh, you have 3601 03:45:05.280 --> 03:45:06.920 to do this ritual if you have sex with a 3602 03:45:07.040 --> 03:45:09.799 camel or something. If they're going on on the Hudge 3603 03:45:10.079 --> 03:45:12.079 or right the pilgrimage to Mecca. 3604 03:45:12.920 --> 03:45:15.120 If you happen did need to have sex with a camel, 3605 03:45:15.639 --> 03:45:20.200 make sure to make these preparations correct. Is that where 3606 03:45:20.239 --> 03:45:21.360 camel skin came from? 3607 03:45:22.280 --> 03:45:29.200 Uh? But there's a point which Mohammed says he sees 3608 03:45:29.280 --> 03:45:32.600 a very good looking woman and so there's a lot 3609 03:45:32.639 --> 03:45:34.680 to cheat on his wife. He runs to his wife 3610 03:45:34.760 --> 03:45:42.559 who is dealing with leather production, which involves done for 3611 03:45:42.639 --> 03:45:45.799 those who don't know, and you'urine, that's what people have. 3612 03:45:46.239 --> 03:45:49.479 So I'm not saying they were primitive. That's something nowadays 3613 03:45:49.559 --> 03:45:54.000 can deal with you to advanced chemistry. And he just 3614 03:45:55.440 --> 03:45:59.399 goes on at her. Thank god. 3615 03:46:01.520 --> 03:46:02.159 Wait, when is this. 3616 03:46:03.680 --> 03:46:06.840 One of the most disgusting smells you could imagine? What 3617 03:46:07.040 --> 03:46:12.520 is like the leather production, leather work, like the leather tanning. 3618 03:46:12.600 --> 03:46:15.040 I suppose that's what my last name is, posh, it's 3619 03:46:15.079 --> 03:46:18.879 an insult to me. What that my last name? My 3620 03:46:19.000 --> 03:46:21.680 real last name is leather worker in Italian? 3621 03:46:22.280 --> 03:46:25.319 Oh, I never can remember your last name. 3622 03:46:26.600 --> 03:46:33.079 Yeah, I tell you that. I didn't tell you the 3623 03:46:33.159 --> 03:46:35.799 time I went to Italy and I I ran around 3624 03:46:35.920 --> 03:46:38.840 the town and I kept running into these little little 3625 03:46:38.879 --> 03:46:40.680 shops that had my name on it, and I showed it, 3626 03:46:41.040 --> 03:46:44.559 show the shop owner my license. That's like equivalent to 3627 03:46:44.680 --> 03:46:47.319 coming to America and going into a Ralph's. Posh, you 3628 03:46:47.319 --> 03:46:50.399 don't know. Ralph's is just basically grocery store and bragging 3629 03:46:50.479 --> 03:46:53.840 to the clerk that your your name is Ralph. It's meaningless. 3630 03:46:54.079 --> 03:46:56.319 It's American to go. 3631 03:46:59.159 --> 03:47:01.959 Look at my name. It means you're the name of 3632 03:47:02.040 --> 03:47:02.600 your store. 3633 03:47:03.120 --> 03:47:04.479 You're like the thirtieth guy. 3634 03:47:04.600 --> 03:47:06.959 And yeah, they're just like, get out of here, dude. 3635 03:47:07.879 --> 03:47:13.120 Yeah, yeah, Well that's good to know. 3636 03:47:13.639 --> 03:47:14.959 We need to come up with a good name of 3637 03:47:15.040 --> 03:47:19.159 this stream. It's gonna be on your channel, correct, Yeah, okay, good. 3638 03:47:19.319 --> 03:47:25.959 So potentially me, you, Andrew and and jay Uh manifesting 3639 03:47:26.399 --> 03:47:31.719 absurd hadiths and references perhaps in the Quran and maybe 3640 03:47:31.799 --> 03:47:35.559 adding some visuals to it, you know, yours truly will 3641 03:47:35.600 --> 03:47:36.040 help with that. 3642 03:47:37.120 --> 03:47:41.079 So there's one I wouldn't conclude for the disgustingness. But 3643 03:47:41.239 --> 03:47:45.760 he says nothing can make water impure. So there's an 3644 03:47:45.799 --> 03:47:50.520 episode where he does his ablution in like a like 3645 03:47:50.639 --> 03:47:54.719 a pit that's full of water, but also have corpses 3646 03:47:54.799 --> 03:47:58.040 of dogs and like we're people where women throw their 3647 03:47:58.079 --> 03:48:08.760 menstrual rags. So he's like, that's it's not even menstrual 3648 03:48:08.920 --> 03:48:19.319 rat stop. Uh. He's washing himself with that and people, 3649 03:48:19.600 --> 03:48:23.000 what are you doing? He says, nothing can make water impure? M. 3650 03:48:23.639 --> 03:48:26.559 He also has a theory that you don't have infectious 3651 03:48:26.680 --> 03:48:29.360 diseases because how we get the first disease? 3652 03:48:30.319 --> 03:48:32.399 Right? Actually, it makes me want to look now that 3653 03:48:32.479 --> 03:48:35.280 I have this this thing called I want to start 3654 03:48:35.280 --> 03:48:38.159 an app. The hadith says could you believe it? Or 3655 03:48:38.200 --> 03:48:45.479 something like that hadith about drinking urine. I mean we 3656 03:48:45.559 --> 03:48:47.639 can just go that's fair right. 3657 03:48:48.319 --> 03:48:53.200 Different different yeah, different, including a w h O but 3658 03:48:53.360 --> 03:48:56.760 who cares? But different like charities and like you know 3659 03:48:57.879 --> 03:49:03.879 that doctors, boarders whatever. I had to say, please stop 3660 03:49:04.000 --> 03:49:05.360 drinking county. 3661 03:49:05.799 --> 03:49:09.360 Right, stop it please or not? Yeaheeth or not. That's 3662 03:49:09.360 --> 03:49:12.120 a good one, critic, that's the one that's good either 3663 03:49:12.319 --> 03:49:15.079 not downloaded, it's free on the app, you know, hadeeth 3664 03:49:15.159 --> 03:49:18.040 or not and you have to vote right, Oh my gosh, 3665 03:49:18.280 --> 03:49:21.520 can you imagine like like, well, the problem is with 3666 03:49:21.680 --> 03:49:24.159 given time, people would just memorize too much and it 3667 03:49:24.200 --> 03:49:25.600 would like it have it would. 3668 03:49:25.440 --> 03:49:27.760 Have a shelf life quickly, and we have to get 3669 03:49:27.840 --> 03:49:28.520 someone like Sam. 3670 03:49:29.319 --> 03:49:32.000 Right right, right, But imagine the rating like how many 3671 03:49:32.079 --> 03:49:34.559 you got? Right? And people are high rating on the 3672 03:49:34.680 --> 03:49:36.959 app as like people they're like, oh ship, you got 3673 03:49:37.159 --> 03:49:38.879 like a thousand and twenty on. 3674 03:49:39.799 --> 03:49:43.639 Whether you want to post it because yeah, totally maybe 3675 03:49:43.680 --> 03:49:44.639 it's right. 3676 03:49:47.520 --> 03:49:52.239 Preparing for sex with camel. 3677 03:49:53.319 --> 03:49:58.000 And here's the thing. Here's the thing. These people like 3678 03:50:00.079 --> 03:50:05.559 Kika Chuw and her job Ada Jazz, like they want 3679 03:50:05.639 --> 03:50:08.280 you to think that Islam is about monotheism VI. You 3680 03:50:08.479 --> 03:50:11.840 just accept one god, you know, Yeah, that's it. That's 3681 03:50:11.959 --> 03:50:18.639 that's that's very manipulative. No, this is the argument that was. 3682 03:50:19.319 --> 03:50:26.079 Rachel retweeted my response to Lauren Chen. Yeah, the chapter, 3683 03:50:28.319 --> 03:50:32.520 but Lauren shen saying, oh do you know that Arab 3684 03:50:32.639 --> 03:50:35.639 Christians called God a lah? So you shouldn't make fun 3685 03:50:35.680 --> 03:50:39.959 of Allah? Like and I not nothing personally against Lauren Chen, 3686 03:50:40.440 --> 03:50:43.760 like she she is getting progressively more based. 3687 03:50:44.440 --> 03:50:47.479 Yeah, she's still a female though, so she can never 3688 03:50:47.600 --> 03:50:48.440 make the full jump. 3689 03:50:49.520 --> 03:51:06.520 He's like half Slantai. That's just one of them. Okay, 3690 03:51:06.559 --> 03:51:08.920 we're not going to get banned for anti semitism, but. 3691 03:51:10.520 --> 03:51:13.319 I want why want Lauren Chen come on my podcast? 3692 03:51:13.440 --> 03:51:25.200 I don't know, all right, Yeah, she's half Oh God, 3693 03:51:31.559 --> 03:51:34.520 let's make let's make a video so everyone knows how 3694 03:51:34.600 --> 03:51:39.159 to defend disposition? 3695 03:51:40.440 --> 03:51:43.799 Yeah yeah, did you watch the stream on dispensation? It 3696 03:51:43.920 --> 03:51:47.520 was really serious, really rigorous, really in depth. Jay was 3697 03:51:47.559 --> 03:51:49.479 on I don't know, did you stick around when Jay 3698 03:51:49.600 --> 03:51:52.399 left though? I don't know, I don't know what happened there. 3699 03:51:53.200 --> 03:51:56.719 We're gonna have to private this and I'm gonna chop. 3700 03:51:57.040 --> 03:51:59.479 It's gonna just be an abrupt chop. When Jay lean 3701 03:51:59.559 --> 03:52:02.840 to'd be like, all right, some stuff coming up in Nashville. 3702 03:52:03.520 --> 03:52:06.000 You gotta you're gonna pop up, you know. Are you 3703 03:52:06.079 --> 03:52:07.200 sure you want to continue? 3704 03:52:07.520 --> 03:52:07.719 Yeah? 3705 03:52:07.760 --> 03:52:10.280 Yeah, yeah, would you like to continue? Please check? You know, 3706 03:52:10.479 --> 03:52:11.879 please is this a rope? 3707 03:52:11.959 --> 03:52:12.159 You know? 3708 03:52:13.079 --> 03:52:15.600 Please select where a bike is on the image? 3709 03:52:16.479 --> 03:52:21.479 Yeah. Maybe maybe you will need to actually chop it 3710 03:52:21.600 --> 03:52:27.319 up as to be shareable. That's true because we're getting 3711 03:52:27.360 --> 03:52:28.600 into like, what four hours. 3712 03:52:29.760 --> 03:52:32.000 It's insane, so it's so counterintuitive. 3713 03:52:32.639 --> 03:52:35.319 Yeah. Yeah, So when someone sends me like four hours, 3714 03:52:35.399 --> 03:52:37.399 like I better be just look at it. 3715 03:52:37.959 --> 03:52:38.879 You're like, what are you kidding me? 3716 03:52:39.799 --> 03:52:42.879 And then I need to think, like, like, if I'm 3717 03:52:42.879 --> 03:52:43.760 going to the gym. 3718 03:52:43.680 --> 03:52:46.719 I might yeah, yeah, I'll chop that part off, make 3719 03:52:46.760 --> 03:52:49.200 that members only and be like I'd need this section 3720 03:52:49.360 --> 03:52:52.799 where Posh and jimbabber kind of drunk making fun of 3721 03:52:52.920 --> 03:52:58.920 Asian people. The most important part of it about the dispensationalist. Amazing, 3722 03:52:59.200 --> 03:53:00.760 really in depth informative. 3723 03:53:02.120 --> 03:53:05.639 Yeah. Yeah, so back to the point she was talking 3724 03:53:05.639 --> 03:53:08.479 about a lot, and I said, that made the point 3725 03:53:08.520 --> 03:53:12.760 about bail. You know, bail just means Lord, and worshiping 3726 03:53:12.799 --> 03:53:16.440 bail means sacrificing children. Allah is Lord. It's one of 3727 03:53:16.479 --> 03:53:19.479 his titles. So sacrificing children to bail is worshiping a 3728 03:53:19.559 --> 03:53:23.159 lot right right, Logically, this is the logic we're going with. 3729 03:53:23.239 --> 03:53:26.239 And people started disputing with me, and then someone from 3730 03:53:26.920 --> 03:53:33.479 from our community, Yeah, just agreed, you know, And I 3731 03:53:34.120 --> 03:53:38.440 came up with another example. 3732 03:53:45.399 --> 03:53:48.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jimbob, I found this, you know, I 3733 03:53:48.600 --> 03:53:51.360 was just on your computer and it says it says 3734 03:53:52.159 --> 03:53:56.479 sex with camels drinking urine? What too is? What does 3735 03:53:56.559 --> 03:54:04.520 Martha say about Seamen's prep it's preparation for stream with posh? 3736 03:54:05.360 --> 03:54:06.760 With posh, I swear. 3737 03:54:10.000 --> 03:54:11.799 With Andrew it's more believable with. 3738 03:54:12.239 --> 03:54:15.239 Yeah, maybe that's the trick of Islam, tricking Christians into 3739 03:54:15.319 --> 03:54:17.000 looking up really messed up ship. 3740 03:54:19.120 --> 03:54:20.440 Standing in the bi. 3741 03:54:22.120 --> 03:54:22.840 Only counts. 3742 03:54:25.760 --> 03:54:29.639 Oh, I know where David would an aposti prophet. There's 3743 03:54:29.719 --> 03:54:36.559 a common commentator like a regular yeah runs who goes 3744 03:54:36.639 --> 03:54:38.600 by only goats? 3745 03:54:39.200 --> 03:54:40.280 Mm hm, I've seen that. 3746 03:54:41.559 --> 03:54:44.399 Yeah, so so it's been done with goats. 3747 03:54:48.479 --> 03:54:50.200 The rapture is going to happen by the time the 3748 03:54:50.239 --> 03:54:52.639 stream is over. Yeah, based if we keep talking like this. 3749 03:54:53.239 --> 03:54:57.440 Is now saying Jesus come quickly right right? Yet? 3750 03:54:58.000 --> 03:55:00.399 Stop it stop? 3751 03:55:04.120 --> 03:55:04.600 Oh yeah? 3752 03:55:04.639 --> 03:55:04.959 Where it is? 3753 03:55:05.200 --> 03:55:05.360 Yeah? 3754 03:55:05.440 --> 03:55:07.120 Yeah, okay, is there anything else? 3755 03:55:07.200 --> 03:55:07.399 Posh? 3756 03:55:07.440 --> 03:55:10.920 We should close this out? I hope not. Yeah, yeah, 3757 03:55:12.239 --> 03:55:14.920 thanks for the support new members. Thank you. Shout out 3758 03:55:14.959 --> 03:55:18.520 to everyone who bob Chatted, super Chatted and became a member, 3759 03:55:18.559 --> 03:55:21.360 anyone who bought something unmade by jimbob dot com. The 3760 03:55:21.520 --> 03:55:26.120 memes keep coming, the streams make the memes apparently, Posh 3761 03:55:26.200 --> 03:55:28.559 and I will announce I'll talk with them offline when 3762 03:55:28.719 --> 03:55:30.879 we set a date. I think, Posh, we should set 3763 03:55:30.920 --> 03:55:34.000 it at least a week ahead of time, if not more, 3764 03:55:34.760 --> 03:55:38.200 because of the anticipation of such a funny concept and 3765 03:55:38.399 --> 03:55:40.520 the kind of ship we're going to get back from 3766 03:55:41.520 --> 03:55:42.079 in the stream. 3767 03:55:42.319 --> 03:55:45.479 I constantly think, Okay, maybe we should add this. Maybe 3768 03:55:45.479 --> 03:55:48.159 it's too much, so I'm ridiculous from that manner. 3769 03:55:48.680 --> 03:55:50.520 No, it's gonna be great. It's gonna be your most 3770 03:55:50.600 --> 03:55:53.920 highly populated stream. Jab can you look up Sarah sixty 3771 03:55:54.000 --> 03:55:56.200 five in the Koran and tell us what you think 3772 03:55:56.239 --> 03:55:57.319 it says, Well, well. 3773 03:55:58.239 --> 03:56:01.600 It's already been addressed all this channel with what is it? 3774 03:56:01.840 --> 03:56:07.280 Sam Fellow because it talks about a divorce and it 3775 03:56:07.360 --> 03:56:10.239 says when you can divorce. So for women who menstruate, 3776 03:56:11.040 --> 03:56:17.120 you have to wait three menstrual cycles. And for those 3777 03:56:17.440 --> 03:56:21.479 who are too old to menstruate, and those who have 3778 03:56:21.719 --> 03:56:26.719 not yet menstruated, the wait period is three months. 3779 03:56:27.280 --> 03:56:31.440 So they're assuming that your wife is pre menstrual, which means. 3780 03:56:31.319 --> 03:56:34.079 Pre it gonna be any of them, so at least 3781 03:56:34.159 --> 03:56:38.040 they've got that. But someone like I know Mohammed Hijab 3782 03:56:38.159 --> 03:56:41.200 went to a speaker's corner and started arguing with people 3783 03:56:41.399 --> 03:56:45.399 who are what they call Koran only Muslims and quoted 3784 03:56:45.479 --> 03:56:53.399 this Aya means verse, sorrow means chapter. He says it 3785 03:56:53.959 --> 03:56:59.159 allows for a severe form of pedophilure. So that's how 3786 03:56:59.200 --> 03:57:01.719 he's trying to defend hadith. He says, you need hadith 3787 03:57:02.040 --> 03:57:06.719 to stop this hardith are not much better, but there 3788 03:57:06.799 --> 03:57:13.159 is no lower limit. So it says, you know, those 3789 03:57:13.200 --> 03:57:17.040 who are too old or those who have not yet menstruated, 3790 03:57:17.159 --> 03:57:21.799 and all the commentaries up clear that it's about too 3791 03:57:21.920 --> 03:57:26.360 young to have you know, achieved maturity physically to stop. 3792 03:57:27.399 --> 03:57:30.280 So you don't have to look it up. I I 3793 03:57:30.920 --> 03:57:32.680 know that one. It's a very famous one. 3794 03:57:34.239 --> 03:57:36.639 You want to, Oh, I see you were You wanted 3795 03:57:36.680 --> 03:57:38.360 me to just look it up and kind of react. 3796 03:57:38.479 --> 03:57:39.079 Sorry about that. 3797 03:57:39.600 --> 03:57:44.000 Yeah, we had we had someone trying to filibuster that interpretation. 3798 03:57:44.159 --> 03:57:46.719 But it's very clear. It's just people who who will 3799 03:57:46.760 --> 03:57:48.280 tell you if it's a hard if we don't have 3800 03:57:48.319 --> 03:57:51.120 to accept it, it's not the Quran, but when it's 3801 03:57:51.159 --> 03:57:53.760 the Krano will mangle it up to make it seem 3802 03:57:53.799 --> 03:57:54.959 like it's not saying what it's saying. 3803 03:57:55.559 --> 03:58:00.000 Posh, Do you think arguing against Islam or arguing again 3804 03:58:00.000 --> 03:58:03.040 against atheism are they Do you think that two are 3805 03:58:03.159 --> 03:58:10.680 equal in priority? Because I've been I've been struggling with 3806 03:58:10.719 --> 03:58:13.280 this because I have such a fun niche of just 3807 03:58:13.719 --> 03:58:17.280 attacking atheism because it's so stupid. But now you're proving 3808 03:58:17.360 --> 03:58:20.879 that there's something actually dumber than that that happens to 3809 03:58:20.959 --> 03:58:24.440 be more cohesive somehow. Isn't that interesting that, like, something 3810 03:58:24.559 --> 03:58:26.280 dumber can be morehesive. 3811 03:58:25.879 --> 03:58:30.760 Because its dogmatic and dogma allows for cohesion. Atheism is 3812 03:58:31.399 --> 03:58:32.520 just like, well, there's. 3813 03:58:32.399 --> 03:58:33.760 No god empirical dogma. 3814 03:58:34.000 --> 03:58:38.159 That's you can be a pine Creek doug. 3815 03:58:38.799 --> 03:58:40.879 Yeah, but. 3816 03:58:42.479 --> 03:58:47.159 You can also be you know, some complete degenerate. So 3817 03:58:47.399 --> 03:58:49.840 that's why we talk about cohesion because that's the only 3818 03:58:49.920 --> 03:58:53.280 claim of atheism. It doesn't mean although most of them 3819 03:58:53.399 --> 03:58:56.799 end up some type of ridiculous progressive. Yeah, you don't 3820 03:58:56.840 --> 03:58:59.600 have to. You can be just the most, you know, 3821 03:59:00.079 --> 03:59:03.959 a racialist, sexist, or whatever. Like a person, it has 3822 03:59:04.079 --> 03:59:06.719 no bearing on it. You would have to take a 3823 03:59:06.920 --> 03:59:12.200 separate position in order to fight for or against. 3824 03:59:12.600 --> 03:59:15.719 Yeah, do you agree with this statement? Is it easier 3825 03:59:15.799 --> 03:59:17.680 because I talked about this and I actually took the 3826 03:59:17.680 --> 03:59:19.879 opposite approach, But I don't know. Is my impulse it 3827 03:59:20.000 --> 03:59:22.959 was like I thought it was harder, might be harder 3828 03:59:23.040 --> 03:59:26.600 to convert a Muslim because you're really probably talking about 3829 03:59:26.680 --> 03:59:32.000 a whole history inherited view of dogma that's much harder 3830 03:59:32.040 --> 03:59:34.840 to get over than let's say, an apathetic atheist who's 3831 03:59:34.879 --> 03:59:38.120 just kind of like bitchy about gods in general. But 3832 03:59:38.319 --> 03:59:42.399 maybe I'm wrong. Maybe because someone presupposes God, it's easier 3833 03:59:42.479 --> 03:59:45.680 to make a bridge than someone who presupposes non God. 3834 03:59:46.280 --> 03:59:47.959 I actually don't even know how to come to the 3835 03:59:48.040 --> 03:59:48.920 conclusion about this. 3836 03:59:49.959 --> 03:59:53.680 I think it's a pointless thing to ponder because if 3837 03:59:53.719 --> 03:59:56.399 someone comes from a strict Muslim family, and from a 3838 03:59:56.520 --> 04:00:00.319 Muslim family, as I said earlier on when Jay was on, 3839 04:00:01.399 --> 04:00:05.920 like they have a sense of duty towards their family, 3840 04:00:06.760 --> 04:00:12.319 they have a fear of retaliation potentially because apostasy is 3841 04:00:12.360 --> 04:00:15.959 punishable by death, and that can even affect the family, 3842 04:00:16.200 --> 04:00:20.719 not you know, maybe mob violence or something. I don't 3843 04:00:20.760 --> 04:00:27.000 believe it's prescribed to you know, punish the family, but 3844 04:00:27.239 --> 04:00:33.040 it might happen, you know, by osmosis or something. But again, 3845 04:00:33.159 --> 04:00:36.040 if you have some you know, well a Muslim, you know, 3846 04:00:36.559 --> 04:00:38.639 which is a lot of them, like here in Serbia 3847 04:00:38.760 --> 04:00:42.120 Muslim we have a part that is majority of Muslim I. 3848 04:00:42.440 --> 04:00:46.120 Basically they don't eat pork and that's about it. They 3849 04:00:46.239 --> 04:00:49.399 get wasted all the time, so alcohol isn't even the thing. 3850 04:00:49.959 --> 04:00:55.239 But you know, a person like that, we had I 3851 04:00:55.399 --> 04:00:58.159 was on with Garrett Dawn a couple of weeks ago 3852 04:00:58.559 --> 04:01:00.959 and we had this guy who grew up Muslim in 3853 04:01:01.000 --> 04:01:05.239 Bosnia moved to London to work and we had to 3854 04:01:05.280 --> 04:01:06.959 talk with him and he was very open to it 3855 04:01:07.440 --> 04:01:10.680 because it didn't grow up in a dogmatic family. As 3856 04:01:10.719 --> 04:01:15.479 long as it's rather pacified in our parts because we 3857 04:01:15.639 --> 04:01:20.399 went through communism and communism clammed down and religiosity and 3858 04:01:21.120 --> 04:01:25.159 with the resurgence of Christianity with Orthodoxy, it doesn't produce 3859 04:01:25.639 --> 04:01:32.280 you know, like extremism. It can, but it usually has 3860 04:01:32.319 --> 04:01:34.280 to be paired with like nationalism. 3861 04:01:35.840 --> 04:01:38.520 Ye wait a second, hold on posh and I think 3862 04:01:38.559 --> 04:01:41.079 this might be the first thing we really disagree with. 3863 04:01:41.879 --> 04:01:43.319 What's wrong with extremism. 3864 04:01:45.719 --> 04:01:50.079 I'm not saying there's wrong, something morally wrong, potentially, because 3865 04:01:50.639 --> 04:01:53.159 it would have to depend on what you view as moderate, 3866 04:01:53.360 --> 04:01:57.920 and that's going to and even moderates can be extreme. 3867 04:01:58.159 --> 04:02:02.360 Like if you think it's a moderate position to trans 3868 04:02:02.600 --> 04:02:07.239 the children, I think you will be extremist. I think 3869 04:02:07.719 --> 04:02:10.600 the properly moderate thing would be okay if there are 3870 04:02:10.680 --> 04:02:14.239 children struggling with the gender identity. You know, it could 3871 04:02:14.280 --> 04:02:16.120 be a lot of factors, you know, lack of a 3872 04:02:16.840 --> 04:02:20.760 father figure or a mother figure, some type of trauma 3873 04:02:20.920 --> 04:02:24.200 or something. So yes, I think it's I think another 3874 04:02:24.319 --> 04:02:26.239 extreme would be just you know, it's not beating the 3875 04:02:26.360 --> 04:02:30.959 child or something, just enforce it, you know, by ignoring 3876 04:02:31.079 --> 04:02:33.280 the fact that there's probably something wrong it needs to 3877 04:02:33.360 --> 04:02:37.840 be helped and healed. But when we're talking about Islamic 3878 04:02:37.959 --> 04:02:44.399 extremism or even like it's Orthodox extremism, would be like monasticism. 3879 04:02:44.520 --> 04:02:46.479 Right, right, There's no other way because it wouldn't be 3880 04:02:46.600 --> 04:02:53.799 based in immediacy cultural revolution kind of like stuff. 3881 04:02:53.879 --> 04:03:00.159 Right, you can form a certain type of zelotry if 3882 04:03:00.639 --> 04:03:02.479 if you combine it with a certain type of. 3883 04:03:02.559 --> 04:03:06.319 Nationalism zeal Like if you took an orthodox zeal like 3884 04:03:06.479 --> 04:03:09.680 New Convert zeal instead of going to the church, they 3885 04:03:09.760 --> 04:03:12.639 took their zeal and impaired it with like a groper. 3886 04:03:14.200 --> 04:03:20.840 Exactly if you Orthodoxy is like a cultural marker, you know, 3887 04:03:20.959 --> 04:03:23.559 you follow, you know, you go to church and everything, 3888 04:03:23.639 --> 04:03:26.799 but like the theology doesn't particularly matter. Matter is just 3889 04:03:27.159 --> 04:03:31.639 what you are, what you subscribe to. Sure, and I 3890 04:03:31.840 --> 04:03:40.159 think it's outstandingly improper to go Yeah, and Zealots were 3891 04:03:40.440 --> 04:03:43.040 literally these types of people, like people who would kill 3892 04:03:43.959 --> 04:03:47.120 Roman officials to try and get it. 3893 04:03:47.159 --> 04:03:50.200 I'd be a Zealot, I honestly, you know. You know Peterson, 3894 04:03:50.440 --> 04:03:52.239 there's a clip of him being like, I'm not sure 3895 04:03:52.319 --> 04:03:57.200 what I would do under the circumstances. Sometimes when I 3896 04:03:57.280 --> 04:04:00.920 look at culture, I do have this, you know, the 3897 04:04:01.079 --> 04:04:03.680 dark side of me goes. I may you know, given 3898 04:04:03.719 --> 04:04:08.559 the right circumstances, I might actually be drawn to sort 3899 04:04:08.600 --> 04:04:11.200 of active xelotry. I mean, just have to admit it. 3900 04:04:11.319 --> 04:04:14.120 That's just how I feel. Well now, I would like 3901 04:04:14.200 --> 04:04:17.000 to fight it and like call Posh and Jay and 3902 04:04:17.559 --> 04:04:20.399 my brothers and be like, hey, walk me out of this. 3903 04:04:20.559 --> 04:04:22.159 But I'd be lying to say I didn't have like 3904 04:04:22.200 --> 04:04:26.239 an impulse toward well, you know something, Sometimes you just 3905 04:04:26.399 --> 04:04:29.159 want to take the you know, you just. 3906 04:04:29.239 --> 04:04:33.479 Want to the thing people are saying in the comments 3907 04:04:33.639 --> 04:04:37.479 in the chat zealot, I'm a zealot. That's because nowadays 3908 04:04:37.520 --> 04:04:45.000 we see zeal as basically commitment. You know, I strongly 3909 04:04:45.120 --> 04:04:47.680 believe in this. I won't compromise it. That's not what 3910 04:04:47.840 --> 04:04:48.440 zelot meant. 3911 04:04:49.000 --> 04:04:50.360 Now, that's just conviction. 3912 04:04:50.799 --> 04:04:56.280 Basically like a like a terrorist group speak. So unless 3913 04:04:56.319 --> 04:04:59.239 you think you're going to be I shouldn't say it. 3914 04:04:59.319 --> 04:05:01.600 Maybe now I really have to edit the stream. 3915 04:05:03.079 --> 04:05:06.319 So unless you're thinking of going violent, Like you're not 3916 04:05:06.440 --> 04:05:11.639 a zealot in the classical sense, but if you're a 3917 04:05:11.760 --> 04:05:14.719 zealot in the modern sense, great, have all the zeal 3918 04:05:14.760 --> 04:05:18.319 in the world for the Lord. I support it. 3919 04:05:19.600 --> 04:05:23.399 So yeah, yeah, anything else you want, I'm gonna start 3920 04:05:23.440 --> 04:05:25.239 shutting this down. And heard my family come back in. 3921 04:05:25.399 --> 04:05:26.559 We have to go somewhere. 3922 04:05:28.639 --> 04:05:31.440 Less fully unawares of my own life. 3923 04:05:31.959 --> 04:05:37.840 Uh go follow the posh redneck over YouTube. We I 3924 04:05:37.959 --> 04:05:40.159 will post it when he has a thumbnail. If you 3925 04:05:40.200 --> 04:05:41.959 need help with that posh, I'd like to make a 3926 04:05:42.000 --> 04:05:46.200 good thumbnail. If you want for that stream. It's so funny. 3927 04:05:46.879 --> 04:05:48.639 Well we'll figure it out. If you say you need 3928 04:05:48.719 --> 04:05:52.280 a week notice, we'll we'll do it for not the 3929 04:05:52.360 --> 04:05:56.680 next week, but the one after. Because it's so bloody hot, 3930 04:05:57.120 --> 04:06:00.879 I can't do anything serious, literally one hundred and ten. 3931 04:06:01.399 --> 04:06:07.920 That's aximal, like seventy minimal, disgusting, Just everything is sticky. 3932 04:06:08.120 --> 04:06:16.559 And but I might go live on the weekend talk 3933 04:06:16.600 --> 04:06:21.239 about something less, less academic, Like I've been thinking about 3934 04:06:21.280 --> 04:06:25.719 how there are no more classes in the classical sense. 3935 04:06:26.520 --> 04:06:29.680 We're all middle class basically just depends on how much 3936 04:06:29.719 --> 04:06:33.799 money you make, because that's an interesting you make. That's 3937 04:06:33.840 --> 04:06:38.280 what we've got. But that's true, and people like Jimmy 3938 04:06:38.360 --> 04:06:41.680 Dare and all these people are trying to we need 3939 04:06:41.760 --> 04:06:43.799 to unite as a working class. Doesn't matter if you 3940 04:06:43.920 --> 04:06:46.600 are a progressive or a Trump supporter. You know, we 3941 04:06:46.680 --> 04:06:49.840 need to fight the system. And I'm thinking you can't 3942 04:06:49.879 --> 04:06:53.520 really make a movement out of Hey, we make roughly 3943 04:06:53.600 --> 04:06:54.639 the same amount of money. 3944 04:06:55.120 --> 04:06:56.840 Let's get together, right, Yeah. 3945 04:06:56.760 --> 04:06:59.639 You can make a negative case for fighting the system, 3946 04:07:00.159 --> 04:07:02.799 but as I said, you, if you succeed now you 3947 04:07:02.840 --> 04:07:07.319 have to implement a different system. Yeah, all disagreeing view 3948 04:07:07.600 --> 04:07:08.280 it's so true. 3949 04:07:08.440 --> 04:07:11.479 It's very true. I always say that you could never 3950 04:07:11.639 --> 04:07:14.239 take the low class out of me, because if I'm 3951 04:07:14.639 --> 04:07:16.959 suddenly in Dad with a million dollars, I'll still be 3952 04:07:17.079 --> 04:07:19.879 following the odd person around the party room. 3953 04:07:20.159 --> 04:07:20.319 You know. 3954 04:07:20.559 --> 04:07:24.879 Oh is that shrimp like like classless, like just eating 3955 04:07:24.959 --> 04:07:25.719 off of plates? 3956 04:07:27.000 --> 04:07:31.120 Yeah, but so many technology has changed so many historical 3957 04:07:31.239 --> 04:07:35.760 realities that there is no such thing as classes as 3958 04:07:36.040 --> 04:07:37.639 as mocks would have described them. 3959 04:07:38.239 --> 04:07:42.120 Yeah, well that's good. We'll talk offline posh about the 3960 04:07:42.520 --> 04:07:46.479 the Islam. I think that's hilarious idea. I don't think 3961 04:07:46.479 --> 04:07:49.799 it's done quite. It hasn't really been done because most 3962 04:07:49.840 --> 04:07:52.360 of it's so serious. Oh, let's debate Islam. Let's get 3963 04:07:52.440 --> 04:07:53.000 really into it. 3964 04:07:53.120 --> 04:07:58.399 But this is going to be I had a woman 3965 04:07:58.520 --> 04:08:01.680 like ripped by camel because she was mocking him. Like, 3966 04:08:02.360 --> 04:08:03.000 people go for this. 3967 04:08:03.120 --> 04:08:06.479 That's actually actually that's pretty fun. That's actually fret fun. 3968 04:08:07.319 --> 04:08:12.079 See I find that funny. So we'll include that. Uh okay, 3969 04:08:12.200 --> 04:08:14.440 so yeah, go follow the posh redneck shout out to 3970 04:08:14.559 --> 04:08:17.079 Jade Eyer for jumping out. I appreciate that. I'll keep 3971 04:08:17.120 --> 04:08:21.319 this up. I'll review it. I might uh repost sections. 3972 04:08:21.360 --> 04:08:26.079 So it's easily consumed. And now and uh, I think 3973 04:08:26.159 --> 04:08:29.280 that's it for me. I'm gonna play us out with 3974 04:08:30.079 --> 04:08:31.920 what I brought us in with, which is. 3975 04:08:32.760 --> 04:09:02.319 God bless you posh, see you many. 3976 04:08:53.639 --> 04:08:53.719 Ye. 3977 04:08:58.840 --> 04:09:04.600 When it's trying man and Dreda, I shall play. Made 3978 04:09:04.639 --> 04:09:08.280 that out of play. And when it's crying ready and Trada, 3979 04:09:08.440 --> 04:09:11.399 I shall play. It has a lovely body. It's with 3980 04:09:11.600 --> 04:09:14.719 Lexo short and thinness. But when it is so tired 3981 04:09:15.040 --> 04:09:15.840 in frocks. 3982 04:09:15.600 --> 04:09:19.600 And then I went more rad Trader commede it out 3983 04:09:19.680 --> 04:09:20.079 of play. 3984 04:09:20.760 --> 04:09:40.920 When it's drying it Dreno is always playful and loves 3985 04:09:40.959 --> 04:09:44.559 to dance and spin a happy game of trail complaint 3986 04:09:44.600 --> 04:09:49.159 out it's begin more prad. Tatles commede it out of clay. 3987 04:09:49.559 --> 04:09:50.920 And when it's drying. 3988 04:09:53.520 --> 04:09:56.639 Traddles, I made it out of claves. 3989 04:09:56.840 --> 04:09:59.479 And when it's trying ready there. 3990 04:10:09.799 --> 04:10:11.799 Audio friends, God bless you all. 3991 04:10:15.200 --> 04:10:15.399 Hmm