Speaker 3: W A.
Speaker 1: I believe the two remaining known operatives of the of
Speaker 1: the Rhode Army fraction she got sends today to thirteen years.
Speaker 1: She was an elderly lady obviously, but she was still
Speaker 1: in the game when they raided her. She was staying
Speaker 1: in Berlin and hiding in Playing Sight under an assumed name,
Speaker 1: and she had a quarter million euros in cash and
Speaker 1: uh an RPG, which is pretty dope, you know, like
Speaker 1: old lady was still a was still at least you know,
Speaker 1: head at one foot.
Speaker 2: And does that tell you that, I bet some Does
Speaker 2: that tell you that somebody's still taking care of her?
Speaker 2: If she had that much cash on her, that she's
Speaker 2: still Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of the a lot of the females,
Speaker 1: especially in the Bottle Minhaw Federation. She was a wheelman
Speaker 1: and she pulled off a lot of robberies as their
Speaker 1: driver for the crew that the coadretor the cell she
Speaker 1: was assigned to. So she would have been a she
Speaker 1: would have been stacking up a lot of cash money,
Speaker 1: you know. Uh.
Speaker 3: That was the were recovered.
Speaker 1: But who knows the one of the reasons, I'm right,
Speaker 1: you know, Horse Tomler was a great man, and you
Speaker 1: know He was not just the defense console for the
Speaker 1: body mindhof element when they found themselves under indictment and
Speaker 1: when the Buddhist Republic security apparatus really targeted them in earnest.
Speaker 1: But you know, he was very much a national socialist,
Speaker 1: and that's why immediately after the air border came down
Speaker 1: he clicked up with the NPD. And people who don't
Speaker 1: really understand the dialectics of how you know, political life
Speaker 1: shook out in in conceptual terms, they thought that that
Speaker 1: was schizo or incoherent, like they don't get it. They
Speaker 1: don't get that the National Socialist resistance. So they're talking
Speaker 1: about Otto Riemer or Yachkeen H. K. Thompson or Carl
Speaker 1: Wolf or the you know, Johann von Leers.
Speaker 3: They their disposition was.
Speaker 1: Qualifiedly pro warsaw packed you know, and the the Wrote
Speaker 1: Army fraction they had very uh, they had very good
Speaker 1: offices and very strong operational links of the Popular Front
Speaker 1: for Liberation at Palestine General Command. You know, they during
Speaker 1: the Cold War there there were there weren't conceptual spaces
Speaker 1: for some sort of neo fascist resistance that was going
Speaker 1: to develop a direct action capability and if they emerged
Speaker 1: like they did in Italy, they would have simply been
Speaker 1: assimilated into the the NATO gladiotype structure. Okay, so if
Speaker 1: you were a real if you were a real European liberationist,
Speaker 1: if you were a real national socialist, you have don't
Speaker 1: know what Horse Somaler did. And like, don't get me
Speaker 1: wrong there the majority of these RF people were were
Speaker 1: hardcore like non unreconstructed Stalinists, but not all of them were.
Speaker 1: But even that, you know, again, this this idea that
Speaker 1: there was some sort of open field of conceptual and
Speaker 1: potentialities that could be brought deferation through praxis. That's that's laughable.
Speaker 1: That's not that that that that that that would not
Speaker 1: have been realizable.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So plus to the the RAF, one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why the Shtazi pretty much threw everything at them that
Speaker 1: they wanted in terms of gear and logistical support and
Speaker 1: money and you know, safe houses. They they rejected the
Speaker 1: sixty eight or euro Communist sensibility. They they viewed they
Speaker 1: viewed it as a decadent bourgeoisie sensibility. They were Stalinists,
Speaker 1: you know, they were. They were allied with the Soviet
Speaker 1: Union until the end the final, the final operation of
Speaker 1: the third wrote Army fraction or the third generation, which
Speaker 1: was the bottom mine off element. They murdered some bundest
Speaker 1: Republic Bank president in nineteen ninety and then they formally
Speaker 1: they sent h in nineties seven or ninety eight, they
Speaker 1: issued a formal statement, you know, saying that they were
Speaker 1: disbanding because amidst globalism, their their war was over. Because
Speaker 1: again they were first, last and always they were allied
Speaker 1: with Warsaw Packed. You know, they didn't they didn't have
Speaker 1: this revision as fluid understanding of communism derived of you know,
Speaker 1: Frankfurt School sociology and things, you know. And some people
Speaker 1: would allege, well, they were just a client proxy of
Speaker 1: Warsaw Pack, of the DDR and a of the KGB
Speaker 1: and the GRU. That's really not true. There there was
Speaker 1: an organic and spontaneous mobilization of that element, you know.
Speaker 1: And they people don't. People aren't professional intelligence men or
Speaker 1: security state types don't. They don't just take on those
Speaker 1: kind of commitments, you know, because they're being it's a
Speaker 1: way you know, getting a paycheck or something.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: They they uh pretty much pretty much all the virtually
Speaker 1: every one of the rode Army fraction. Each iteration was
Speaker 1: killed in action, was murdered under odd circumstances, or died
Speaker 1: in prison. You know, it's not as if there was
Speaker 1: some great return on investment if you were an apolitical
Speaker 1: who was simply interested in a paycheck. But yeah, being
Speaker 1: Max has recently finished hit recently finished Hitler's War, I'm
Speaker 1: already number of Last Battle. Maybe Jackson was the reality
Speaker 1: of the European War. Jackson really was.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: He was a country lawyer, like like out of the
Speaker 1: like out of a hokey movie or something. He wasn't
Speaker 1: he wasn't putting on errors. That's what he was. He
Speaker 1: was kind of a hit And that was deliberate because
Speaker 1: if there'd been some slick New York ethnic guy, or
Speaker 1: some Jewish guy, or even some or even some uh
Speaker 1: blue blood Wall Street guy who's got buddy of Roosevelts
Speaker 1: or something like that, that would have been the wrong optics.
Speaker 1: You know, Jackson was supposed to represent. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just I'm just a decent Middle American like you.
Speaker 1: And you know, as a Christian man, I I I've
Speaker 1: never seen evil of the sort that you know has
Speaker 1: been revealed. You know to be underway in the German Reich.
Speaker 1: And uh, so I don't think he was acting, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think he was something of an ignoramus.
Speaker 1: Well it's also he I mean, Gearing made a fool
Speaker 1: out of him.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: The strongest uh, the strongest uh cadre, that's not the
Speaker 1: right word. The strongest trial team at Nuremberg was the
Speaker 1: British by a long shot.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: The France was in a weird position, so they for
Speaker 1: all kinds of reasons, including that it was Frenchman defending
Speaker 1: the reich stock in the final hours. Okay, the soul
Speaker 1: it's wanted to in typical Soviet fashion. They they were,
Speaker 1: they were constitutionally paranoid in the hostile and said we
Speaker 1: wanted to hang everybody. You know, the the Americans were
Speaker 1: you know again, Uh, there was a lot of Jackson
Speaker 1: had a lot of people picking up the slack for him,
Speaker 1: you know, and I mean he make a mistake. He
Speaker 1: had he in the entire tribunal had had had absurd advantages.
Speaker 1: You know, the defense essentially had no discovery rights or anything.
Speaker 1: But you know, uh, Jackson wasn't just a figurehead that
Speaker 1: I'm getting at. He really did set the tenor the
Speaker 1: tone in Tenor. But that's why Also when it became
Speaker 1: clear he was actually trying to get a verdict on
Speaker 1: Helmar Shocked, the British are like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You know, It's like, first of all, Shocked is here
Speaker 1: to be acquitted, because the appearance of do process is
Speaker 1: paramount and absolutely essential, especially when it's not being honored,
Speaker 1: you know. But also Holmar Shocked was he was very
Speaker 1: well connected plus too, I mean, you accepted the ethical
Speaker 1: narrative as well as the elements of the offenses alleged
Speaker 1: in terms of scientier, Helmer Shocked was literally a banker, Like.
Speaker 3: What was he supposed to do?
Speaker 1: He was supposed to what was he supposed to become
Speaker 1: some revolutionary after after the NSDAP ascendency, like quit his
Speaker 1: job or even poverty and trying murder Hitler. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I know, that's not realistic. I think he's a shock.
Speaker 1: You can't even make the claim like people had about Spear,
Speaker 1: like Spear the terrible person. Don't get me wrong, but
Speaker 1: I'm speaking within the bounty rationale of liability assigned by
Speaker 1: you know, within the four corners of the indictments Spear
Speaker 1: went out of his way to acquire power within the
Speaker 1: executive element of the party state. Helmar shocked, didn't I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, and you don't. You don't have some obligation.
Speaker 1: You don't have some obligation again, uh to uh quit
Speaker 1: your job, live in poverty and and and like take
Speaker 1: on the role of some sort of like twentieth century
Speaker 1: Diogenes and protest of your government because because America decided
Speaker 1: that it's evil, you know, and really all they had,
Speaker 1: Unshocked was there's this photograph I believe, I believe it
Speaker 1: was from nineteen thirty eight, after the murder Adolphins. As
Speaker 1: you know, Hitler was dealing with benez and that whole
Speaker 1: fiasco and was relying on, you know, Mussolini's support and
Speaker 1: good offices they're in with the Kingdom of Italy. And
Speaker 1: at that time too, you know, people forget Mussolini was
Speaker 1: viewed as not just a dynamic personage, but something of
Speaker 1: a broker between great European powers who could be trusted
Speaker 1: on grounds that he was preceding a position in neutrality.
Speaker 1: You know, him being cast as this is this evil
Speaker 1: buffoon came much later, but you know, know, uh, the
Speaker 1: Austrian national socialist murdering dolphus In you know, like mafia's
Speaker 1: style that came close to resolving and utterly catastrophic circumstances.
Speaker 1: But in any event, I believe after Hitler smoothed over
Speaker 1: the crisis with Mussolini and he was returning from Rome,
Speaker 1: Helmar Shocked is greeting beating Hitler.
Speaker 3: Uh. One of Hitler's.
Speaker 1: Adjutants, It wasn't called Wolf, but one of one of
Speaker 1: his military adjutants is with them. I think Gerring's on
Speaker 1: deck and and uh hess and uh Shocked is like,
Speaker 1: you know, pumping Hitler's hand with like a big smile
Speaker 1: on his face. It's like, well, I mean this he
Speaker 1: was greeting the fury in the Reichs Consler. It'd be like,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, it's the equivalent of that chairman of
Speaker 1: the FED shaking hands with Donald Trump then declaring that
Speaker 1: that means that he loves Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So there, But that's to the Fellaw's point about Jackson
Speaker 1: being an amateur, you know, of a jurist. That that
Speaker 1: was his big attempt at rebuttal is is uh blowing
Speaker 1: up that picture to poster size like Cee c The
Speaker 1: fuck out of here. It's ridiculous, you know.
Speaker 2: But are you familiar with the book The Psychology of
Speaker 2: Dictatorship by GM Gilbert.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a redd up, but I'm familiar with it.
Speaker 1: Excited a lot in a certain category of academic literature.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He he's the one who did the psychoanalysis of the Nuremberg.
Speaker 3: Places.
Speaker 2: A buddy of mine is republishing it because it's been
Speaker 2: out of prince a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's that's that's that's great. That's very exciting
Speaker 1: that all this, all these sort of dormant publications are
Speaker 1: are now being brought back into regular availability. Wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: say a minute ago it was thought, oh no, but
Speaker 1: I included. One of the longest chapters in my book
Speaker 1: is about the individual defendants and how the case in
Speaker 1: chief against them was characterized and what role they played
Speaker 1: within the narrative.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean some of this is obvious. You know.
Speaker 1: Gerring obviously was a stand in for Adolf Hitler because
Speaker 1: at one time he was the designated successor of the Fear.
Speaker 1: But also Gearing was a very outsized personage in every way,
Speaker 1: and I mean he was there, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: that's why he didn't commit suicide until he wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna let the United that international military tribunal win,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't gonna let him flop be hanged. But
Speaker 1: you know, that's what he That's what he told his wife,
Speaker 1: and that's what he told the other defendants.
Speaker 3: You know that.
Speaker 1: You know, he had he had to defend. He had
Speaker 1: to defend the and Reich and court. He had to
Speaker 1: defend the record for posterity and the service of history,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's remarkable that Gearing turned things around,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's it's a Gearing found himself. He
Speaker 1: became the old Gearring. He became the Gearing who you know,
Speaker 1: took command of rich Toff and squadron after Man von
Speaker 1: Richtoff and was killed in action, you know. And yeah,
Speaker 1: the really really remarkable guy. You know, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I the anecdote of you know, Arhard Milch taking a beating,
Speaker 1: you know, does to salute Gearing when they've been estranged
Speaker 1: for year. Just you know that that goes to show
Speaker 1: the kind of respect, uh that Gearing had had reacquired,
Speaker 1: which is well placed. Yeah, the whole the whole thing
Speaker 1: is rather insane, you know. And but that's why, that's
Speaker 1: why I wrote the book, you know, I uh, because
Speaker 1: it's very very ill understood the subject matter is and
Speaker 1: the degree to which that precedent characterized the conceptual environment
Speaker 1: and in turn colored practice between the superpowers and were
Speaker 1: in peace questions, albeit in a highly superficial capacity. But
Speaker 1: even if the declared rationale of an ideological culture and
Speaker 1: the imperatives they're in at war, even if the state
Speaker 1: actor in question totally abandons those imperatives or doesn't abide
Speaker 1: them at all because they're absurd, or if they're proceeding
Speaker 1: under those auspices, you know, at some point the rationale
Speaker 1: takes on a life of its own, you know, And
Speaker 1: at some point the center cannot hold because there's no
Speaker 1: longer the conceptual vocabulary or aspects of the zech geist
Speaker 1: to give contact and verbial life to those imperatives.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: That's that's when things fall apart. And that's what's underway now.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's been underway for decades, but now
Speaker 1: it's underway in earnest. So you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: I plan to be around for a minute. I'm not
Speaker 1: afraid to die but I prefer not to yet. I'm
Speaker 1: enjoying myself and I think there's some things I need
Speaker 1: to do, especially because I have kids, and I'm fine
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 3: You know, God decided I was.
Speaker 1: Going to be a Chase sold to the apocalypse, but
Speaker 1: I do need to leave some kind of legacy, So
Speaker 1: I need to get as much of this long term
Speaker 1: stuff out of my brain before uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: find myself deposited in the next world. And I started, Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm working on this uh Steel Storm novel. It's kind
Speaker 1: of adjacent. It's not a direct sequel. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: like Anna Bleak. It's within the same universe, and it
Speaker 1: takes place several years before War.
Speaker 3: Day in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 1: And it's more kind of in the vein of Shane
Speaker 1: Stevens type stuff, but a little bit more surreal, you know.
Speaker 1: And uh, it's basically like the life of Billy Wong
Speaker 1: as he's gang banging and ripping and running before he
Speaker 1: becomes a serial killer and serial largsh is this Uh,
Speaker 1: he's this Chicago PD, the detective Bureau guy and uh,
Speaker 1: as global security conditions approach World War three, Chicago Bed
Speaker 1: becomes totally politicized, and he's still trying to be a
Speaker 1: homicide cop and trying not to abide the new force
Speaker 1: structure and the federalization of all police elements. And there's this, Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a serial killer who was the who Billy Wong
Speaker 1: comes the develope hero worship of called the Chicago Tribune
Speaker 1: brands in the Lincoln Parker Ripper, and uh, it's not Cyril.
Speaker 3: Lurish is slowly losing his mind.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to give away the danumoi, but
Speaker 1: Syrah Larish at times in his drunken fuse, I'm convinced
Speaker 1: that he himself might be the lnoln Park Ripper, Like
Speaker 1: as he's investigating this case and refusing to let it
Speaker 1: lie despite being ordered to pursue essentially direct action against politicals,
Speaker 1: you know, like find elements, particularly like black and Spanish elements,
Speaker 1: you know, and guys under arms in the street who
Speaker 1: are sympathetic to Warsaw packed and murder them.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: He's obsessively stalking this killer who again gets really gets
Speaker 1: under the skin of young Billy Wong as his sort
Speaker 1: of sick passions begin to take.
Speaker 3: Him over more and more.
Speaker 1: But it's called Steel Storm nineteen seventy nine. But in
Speaker 1: addition to that, I'm writing what I think of the
Speaker 1: history of the Old Resistance as I think of it
Speaker 1: and what its relationship is to I don't like the
Speaker 1: term alt right because I think it's it's been very corrupted,
Speaker 1: not just because legacy media seized on it, but and
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about people I like to
Speaker 1: think I'm above that. I mean, other than like our
Speaker 1: genuine ops and people who are total assholes. But I
Speaker 1: think Richard Spencer's genuinely a really shitty guy. Like I
Speaker 1: think he's like he's really he's like a really bad guy. He's,
Speaker 1: you know, in really perfidest and a real shit big
Speaker 1: and of course that that was a big part of
Speaker 1: his branding is oh, I'm the old Right.
Speaker 3: So I don't like that term petty as that might seem.
Speaker 1: But I whatever you want to call the new Resistance,
Speaker 1: that really I mean it. It was developing all really
Speaker 1: in earnest I think after from about two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight onward, although the seed was sown before that. But
Speaker 1: obviously it like really reads Zenith around the two thousand
Speaker 1: and six team presidential election. But I found about that
Speaker 1: in context and help people sort of understand what some
Speaker 1: of the heritage of this stuff is, you know, and
Speaker 1: I did. I to me, it's not purely academic. I
Speaker 1: mean I did bear witness to a lot of this stuff,
Speaker 1: you know. And obviously nineteen eighty nine was a critical year,
Speaker 1: but nineteen ninety two was hugely important.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: You had like March ninety one, that was the Rodney
Speaker 1: King insid it happened, and racial tensions were reaching a
Speaker 1: fever pitch everywhere, and then then the LA riots kicked off,
Speaker 1: and you know, things were really really bad, especially between
Speaker 1: I mean, there was colic diets between you know, Asian
Speaker 1: people and black folks and Spanish people and blacks, you know,
Speaker 1: and there was like there was like multiple paradigms at work,
Speaker 1: but there was real like race war brewing between like
Speaker 1: white people and black folks, you know, in in New
Speaker 1: York and LA and Chicago.
Speaker 3: It was really bad.
Speaker 1: And that that colored the perspective of a whole generation
Speaker 1: of partisans. And then there was a you know, and
Speaker 1: then Clinton and Bar you know Bush forty one and Bar.
Speaker 1: You know, they began targeting you know, domestic extremists and
Speaker 1: that you know, Ruby Ridge happens in ninety two very
Speaker 1: much at the behest of bar you know.
Speaker 3: And uh, and then when the Renal.
Speaker 1: Justice Department gets a mandate, you know, it's go go
Speaker 1: go against you know, domestic terrorism, and so we were
Speaker 1: getting hit from all sides.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It was really a perfect storm of factors. And then
Speaker 1: but then as the nineties uh war on like like
Speaker 1: Clinton got really really hurt by the Star investigation. Ken
Speaker 1: Starr was a the whole concept of an independent council
Speaker 1: was problematic for all kinds of reasons. But it became
Speaker 1: clear to people that Clinton really was an evil person
Speaker 1: and incredibly corrupt personally, you know, in addition to being
Speaker 1: a total deviant, and even though the effort to impeach
Speaker 1: him never had any legs, you know, he became a
Speaker 1: lame duck president. You know, so something like Waco would
Speaker 1: have been unthinkable if if Clinton had been continuing to
Speaker 1: push that kind of war on terror one point zero
Speaker 1: against domestic elements, you know. And then like nine to
Speaker 1: eleven happened, and that like changed everything, and then the
Speaker 1: regime forgot about us. And that was a weird time
Speaker 1: because people were so focused on the international situation admittedly
Speaker 1: they they they had propagandas and highly you know, uh
Speaker 1: and and very superficial and in diminished understanding of the variables.
Speaker 1: But it totally altered people's conceptual horizon. And then you know,
Speaker 1: by even before nine to eleven, by like by like
Speaker 1: ninety seven ninety eight, that kind of race war tension was,
Speaker 1: which is easing up, you know. And so I mean
Speaker 1: this is important, you know, because I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people and it's complicated. I'm not saying people are stupid,
Speaker 1: especially young people who don't realize this, but I think
Speaker 1: people have this idea that it was this kind of
Speaker 1: like constant, steady state and there was nothing outside of
Speaker 1: the main stream and in terms of partisan subcultures and stuff.
Speaker 1: But then you know, people got sick of woke stuff
Speaker 1: and just sort of like you know, developed a quorum
Speaker 1: as it were, around Donald Trump, you know, and then
Speaker 1: that set off the inner party. So this this like
Speaker 1: right wing came about. That's not what happened, you know,
Speaker 1: it goes way deeper than that, and there's a direct
Speaker 1: connection to what happened previously. So i'm i'm uh, i'm
Speaker 1: i'm I started writing a history of uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the the American UH resistance post ninety five, you know,
Speaker 1: the first UH. I basically look at it as what
Speaker 1: came out of America first, you know, in silver shirts
Speaker 1: and all those patriotic elements and pronational socialists and and
Speaker 1: and pro fascist elements, you know, and UH that developed
Speaker 1: into the old resistance in the eyes of our era.
Speaker 1: And then uh, you know, and there's a real concern
Speaker 1: and one of the few really insightful things Rockwell wrote
Speaker 1: about in one of UH in one of the A
Speaker 1: and P publications of the day, these these angry, disenfranchised
Speaker 1: guys coming back from NAM. There was real concern they
Speaker 1: were gonna OCCI finds some kind of free corps or something,
Speaker 1: you know, especially because you know, the biker subculture then
Speaker 1: was actually really dangerous.
Speaker 3: Yah, I was a real thing. I was like boomers,
Speaker 3: like playing Halloween. I was gonna say bike.
Speaker 2: A lot of those guys went right into biker again,
Speaker 2: into biker clubs, motor clubs.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and the and those guys are deeply insinuated.
Speaker 1: Like I want this Uh. This girl I knew a
Speaker 1: few years back. She was way younger. Yeah, she was
Speaker 1: than me, as she was like in her late twenties
Speaker 1: and we were watching, Uh, gimme shelter. You know the
Speaker 1: ultimat Speedway concert. Great where where the Hell's Angels like
Speaker 1: stabbed that lack dude.
Speaker 2: Those That's history. I mean, that's a piece of history.
Speaker 2: If you want to see history, that's a great documentary.
Speaker 1: Well she was acting like she's like why, and she
Speaker 1: thought it was nuts because you know, she knows something
Speaker 1: about the the live music industry and she's like, who
Speaker 1: the hell would have bikers of security. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: don't understand. The Hell's Angels were. Those guys had real
Speaker 1: power in those days. They had real clout. They're like
Speaker 1: Henry that movie The Wild Angels, it's a Roger Coran movie.
Speaker 1: It's actually really dope, and it's a Peter font Or, yes,
Speaker 1: Peter Fonda running around uh and he's got uh he's
Speaker 1: got like sea rooms on and uh an i cer
Speaker 1: in his croach and uh he's he's got like a
Speaker 1: swastika belt buckle and Bruce Durn's in it. But there
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a Hollywood movie about like the Hell's
Speaker 1: Angels are awesome and you know, like it they they
Speaker 1: had real clouds. So it wasn't weird for uh, especially
Speaker 1: with what was going on in LA. I mean this
Speaker 1: was sixty nine, yeah, sixty nine seventy, you know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't uh sixty six sixty seven. But still, I mean
Speaker 1: there there's powder kick potential. It's like, okay, the Hell's
Speaker 1: Angels can they can handle something like this? And you know,
Speaker 1: they got they got the you know, back up in
Speaker 1: being on the ground and in case things really jump off.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately with the Hell's Angels in them days, if
Speaker 1: they felt threatened, they were just gonna stand people up,
Speaker 1: you know, like they weren't.
Speaker 3: They weren't.
Speaker 1: They weren't gonna zip tight their hands and and miss them.
Speaker 1: They're gonna fucking kill you, you know. But uh, yeah, there
Speaker 1: was a real concern, uh, of those guys developing a
Speaker 1: political consciousness and like going all in and you know
Speaker 1: then being like you know where you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna try, and you're gonna try and forcibly integrate
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: A high school in our hood.
Speaker 1: Well, we've all been under fire and like even National
Speaker 1: Guard toy soldiers, you know, let's let's get down, and
Speaker 1: that could have happened, you know, that wasn't just a fantasy,
Speaker 1: and the core of a lot of the old resistance
Speaker 1: guys like like Lewis Beam, he was a warrant officer.
Speaker 3: He started out as.
Speaker 1: A door gunner on a Hewet crew and then I
Speaker 1: think he became a pilot, you know, because like so
Speaker 1: many choppers were going down. The warrant officer program was
Speaker 1: a big deal, you know. And uh, warrant officers could
Speaker 1: fly choppers, you know, they couldn't fly fixed wing but
Speaker 1: uh and Lewis Beam, uh he uh he he paramilitarized
Speaker 1: the Klan in Texas and uh they as he went
Speaker 1: to war with these Vietnamese fishermen who are undercutting uh
Speaker 1: you know, the a lot of white Texans in the industry,
Speaker 1: and so I mean there was real uh. And then
Speaker 1: of course there was the uh there was the the
Speaker 1: Jonesborough shootout, you know where uh the n sw PP
Speaker 1: clicked up with the Klan, which hadn't happened before. You know,
Speaker 1: they were like on the road tip, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: which makes sense, you know. But uh it was Covington,
Speaker 1: who uh weirdo that he was, like he wasn't a coward,
Speaker 1: you know, Covington, that was his you know, and he
Speaker 1: he uh he showed up mob deep. But the nsw
Speaker 1: PP when the Communist Workers Party made it clear that,
Speaker 1: uh they were gonna attack the klan, you know, and
Speaker 1: uh they also the the Communist Workers Party that was
Speaker 1: that was a bunch almost exclusively Jewish, and a bunch
Speaker 1: of these people were like medical doctors and and like
Speaker 1: New York City lawyers.
Speaker 3: They were.
Speaker 1: They were absolutely I think they were getting money from
Speaker 1: n g o's affiliate with Pey king On like Gus Hall.
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm sure of it. But they they really
Speaker 1: were a Communist proxy. They weren't playing, you know. And
Speaker 1: they they were trying to unionize uh black textile workers,
Speaker 1: you know, and basically a siny way to radical Maoist
Speaker 1: consciousness into the union mandate. And a lot of the
Speaker 1: foremen at these textile mills were clan guys. So they
Speaker 1: started targeting these guys for violence, you know. So like
Speaker 1: when Covin get heard about it, he's like that, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna let it happen. And uh so the National
Speaker 1: Socialist White People's Party guys showed up, like I said,
Speaker 1: mob deep, and the Communist Workers Party they they they
Speaker 1: got they got fucking got man. You know, they they
Speaker 1: definitely bid off something that they did not like the
Speaker 1: taste of. But you know, and then of course too
Speaker 1: there's this there's this laughable Truth and Reconciliation Commission convened
Speaker 1: I think, and uh is that is a twentieth anniversary
Speaker 1: which would have been ninety nine, And of course they
Speaker 1: presented it, uh as a some sort of conspiracy where oh,
Speaker 1: these the these Klan guys and these National socialists, they
Speaker 1: they murdered these you know, these community activists, and and
Speaker 1: this racistory letting go away with it. It's like this
Speaker 1: was a this was a case of mutual cobbed if
Speaker 1: there ever was one. You know, the fact, the fact
Speaker 1: that the Kami's lost. I mean, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you're not you're not entitled. Uh, you're not entitled to
Speaker 1: a homicide verdict against your ops if you if you
Speaker 1: lose a firefight. You know, but uh, that uh when
Speaker 1: I mean obviously that was post or not.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the programs in Russia. Jewish revolutionary
Speaker 2: Marxist would rise up and as soon as they got
Speaker 2: their ass kicked by the Black hundred, says screen programs
Speaker 2: and get articles written about him in the German newspaper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, we we're just we're just
Speaker 1: we're just peace loving Talmud scholars. And these Cossacks and
Speaker 1: these anti Semites they just came and murdered us for
Speaker 1: no reason at all. But but no, that that incident
Speaker 1: had a huge impact on the way the regime proceeded
Speaker 1: against the old resistance. And you know, so that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of here that I'm getting at and I'm
Speaker 1: hoping a lot of these guys are dead and including
Speaker 1: Covington unfortunately, but you know I do through uh my friend,
Speaker 1: uh Damon Wevan talked to him minute.
Speaker 3: I I'm a texture of phone call.
Speaker 1: He's tight with r and Taylor, you know, and and
Speaker 1: our tailor Aaron Taylor and his wife are just incredible
Speaker 1: fucking people.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: He treated us me and uh my, my guy Hoders.
Speaker 1: He was like he's like the six and a half tall,
Speaker 1: like sweetly like legit, it looks like a Viking.
Speaker 3: So like he was a big hit.
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's like a really classy dude and
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, he's everybody likes him. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was me Damon Wyatt, and I'm Anders and uh
Speaker 1: they insisted we stay for dinner, and uh his wife
Speaker 1: clipped up this incredible like pot roast.
Speaker 3: It was this, you know, fantastic. But you know Taylor, uh, he's.
Speaker 1: Had a crazy life, man, and he uh when he
Speaker 1: he clicked up with Robert Depew because Taylor was a
Speaker 1: Chicago guy and you know he was ripping and running
Speaker 1: you know on uh back when the West Side had
Speaker 1: you know, uh like a.
Speaker 3: An island of a white ethnic hoods.
Speaker 1: And he clicked up with Robert Depew, who was uh
Speaker 1: the honcho the original Minute Man organization. It's got nothing
Speaker 1: to do with like the later minute Men and who
Speaker 1: like run by that Chomo who were like we're going
Speaker 1: to police. I'm ox second Border, Like nothing to do
Speaker 1: with it at all. But Depew was a total psycho,
Speaker 1: and uh he tried to murder Taylor all a league.
Speaker 1: He drove by his house, his parents' house here in
Speaker 1: Chicago and like like open fire in the house and
Speaker 1: they got like nobody was hurt, but you know, and
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's when Taylor's like, Okay, I gotta go
Speaker 1: under ground. He's like, I got the FBI in Chicago,
Speaker 1: PD up my ass and now I got the pew
Speaker 1: and these maniacs trying to like shooting at my fucking parents,
Speaker 1: you know, but he but he is me as it may,
Speaker 1: I don't. Taylor's elderly, you know, he's about my father's age,
Speaker 1: and he's not in great health. So I I've been
Speaker 1: meaning to go visit him with Damon and and take
Speaker 1: down some of his oral history just anyway, just because
Speaker 1: he's a dude. He got a lot of respect for
Speaker 1: and I think that's important. But also that'd be a
Speaker 1: huge help for this manuscript. And there's some other guys,
Speaker 1: and that's why I tried to track down winder All.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I wanted to talk to Alex anyway,
Speaker 1: because I I didn't talk to him like ten fucking years.
Speaker 1: I should have kept out it wasn't some kind of
Speaker 1: open secret that he died. I guess I shouldn't. I
Speaker 1: was so kind of immersed of my own stuff. I
Speaker 1: you know, it's easy to kind of despite how connected
Speaker 1: we are in kind of partisan circles and through new media,
Speaker 1: you can very much kind of like lose track of
Speaker 1: people and and their entire sort of sphere of activity.
Speaker 1: But the reason I wanted to reach out to Alex
Speaker 1: wasn't just because I wanted him to come out of
Speaker 1: the pod. There were some things about the world situation
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to him about. But I also
Speaker 1: was hold when I could get him to go on record,
Speaker 1: you know, with you know, some testimony relating to this
Speaker 1: other project. But we'll see, man, I'll put I I
Speaker 1: got to think about who I should approach here and
Speaker 1: one of the Uh, as much as I don't like
Speaker 1: Amoran American Runss, I do like Kim Indiana that that
Speaker 1: dude's a fucking prince, you know, and he's he's our friend,
Speaker 1: and uh, I might suck it up and go to
Speaker 1: Amern next time they go Old Pow Wow, because uh,
Speaker 1: there are some guys there or like Brad Griffin. Brad
Speaker 1: Griffin's uh he's a few years longer than me, but
Speaker 1: he's like he's like an old head also, but he
Speaker 1: knew he I think he actually knew Covington, like they
Speaker 1: collaborated on stuff, you know. And there's some other guys
Speaker 1: like yeah, it's still of the Southern dudes. And there's
Speaker 1: actually a cool ass dude. I met a like this
Speaker 1: huge guy, like he looks like a fucking grizzly bear
Speaker 1: or something. But he's like this kind of like pocus
Speaker 1: in electrical like Alabama guy like big national socialists, So
Speaker 1: he kind of like bonded over there. I think you
Speaker 1: might have met him. Here's that like very tall, like
Speaker 1: very kind of I'm not being mean. He was kind
Speaker 1: of like a very tall, very fat guy with like
Speaker 1: a big beard, don't I don't know if you met
Speaker 1: him or not, but he I don't want to name
Speaker 1: check him because I don't know how public a private
Speaker 1: he is. But he uh, you know that there's a
Speaker 1: handful of guys who show up at Ameran who I
Speaker 1: think i'd be we're talking to who could probably contribute
Speaker 1: testimony that would be fruitful. But you know, regardless, I
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna I'm writing it anyway, you know.
Speaker 1: But I put a premium underrect testimony. And I think
Speaker 1: that's in part because my education was as a lawyer.
Speaker 1: But I also if you're talking about if you're talking
Speaker 1: about a political movement and the practice they're in and
Speaker 1: the impact I'm the conceptual environment and thing is that
Speaker 1: it's a it's essential of direct testimony. But I you know,
Speaker 1: I think I'm optimistic about this manuscript that ANALYM. Hill
Speaker 1: is busily printing now. So when revenues from NATS they're
Speaker 1: coming in, that should basically that should do a long
Speaker 1: way in like funding what I needed.
Speaker 3: To do to write this other book.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping to kind of get into a pattern
Speaker 1: where I kind of as I am always working on
Speaker 1: a long form project, and when when one gets published,
Speaker 1: as revenue comes in from NAT it can like fund
Speaker 1: the next one, you know. But I I think this
Speaker 1: is important anyway, this subject matter. But I also think
Speaker 1: it's I also think it's a good compliment piece to
Speaker 1: the nerveoug System book because the latter is so very
Speaker 1: abstract and conceptual. I think it's well placed to, you know,
Speaker 1: produce something that deals with a very concrete aspect of
Speaker 1: direct action and things like that. You want to hit
Speaker 1: up some question, Yeah, Kevin is great. Yeh, Ken is great.
Speaker 1: He's just an incredibly cool.
Speaker 2: You want to hit up question. We had a couple
Speaker 2: of questions earlier. I'm not gonna I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say his name, but he said, could you expand on
Speaker 2: the relationship, if any, between the RAF and Syria, Egypt,
Speaker 2: Lebanon and the splinter PLO cadres.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I there was read UH the old der
Speaker 1: vague newspaper that was published in Argentina until Perone was
Speaker 1: removed from office. The National Resistance considered UH Darl Islam
Speaker 1: to be an essential low guy and the primary battle
Speaker 1: space contra Judea. You know, in the the decades following
Speaker 1: the day of defeat, so Otto Reimer was UH spent
Speaker 1: many years in Syria. Carl Carl Wolf did as well,
Speaker 1: and UH was instrumental in UH modernizing infantry doctrine the
Speaker 1: Syrian army. Johann van Leers served in the court at Nasser.
Speaker 1: You know, he then converted to Islam and became it
Speaker 1: took on the name Omar Amen.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Examples are legion. Also, the Islamic world was axis alide.
Speaker 1: You know, there was there was a Palestinian element UH
Speaker 1: of the vass the Arab legion, you know, obviously there
Speaker 1: was hens Are, there was the Ousti Legians. There was
Speaker 1: a huge effort in substantial measure. Uh. I'm in a
Speaker 1: senior moment, hose his name. It'll come to me one
Speaker 1: of the one of the major personages who UH had
Speaker 1: very much benefited from the patronage of Paul Hauser. He
Speaker 1: made it a personal mission to mobilize Muslim populations on
Speaker 1: the Soviet frontier and also building Imam schools dedicated UH
Speaker 1: to a Islamic understanding, the national socialism and cadre building
Speaker 1: within Islamic populations, you know, the Darla Islam was as
Speaker 1: allied with the Axis powers as the Empire of Japan was.
Speaker 1: Okay and UH again by UH after nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 1: Really the primary, the primary battle active battle space of
Speaker 1: the Cold War was the near reast occupied Palestine, the
Speaker 1: Levant and beyond, you know, and UH. The understanding was
Speaker 1: that of the national socialists and adjacent elements you know,
Speaker 1: on the right, European liberationists, you know, Latin American fascist
Speaker 1: national socialists, Islamic revolutionaries, as well as secular Arabist elements
Speaker 1: and Arab national socialists. The understanding was that not only
Speaker 1: was not only was the mission of Israel to create
Speaker 1: a greater racial state that would be facilitated by the
Speaker 1: annihilation of populations deemed hostile you know, Jordanians, Palestinians, Vinese Syrians,
Speaker 1: but that the Jewish state it gave, it gave Zionism
Speaker 1: in the Jews of the people power at international affairs
Speaker 1: and at direct military capacity, and that wasn't that wasn't
Speaker 1: as incredibly dangerous and one of the Israel Is considered
Speaker 1: by its advocates and the bisecular Zionists to literally be
Speaker 1: the political literation of the Jews as the people. That
Speaker 1: was the rationale for kidnapping eye Command and taking him
Speaker 1: to Israel, because the state of Israel, it's the instantation
Speaker 1: of the of the Jewish people as a political actor
Speaker 1: as well as they're the representative of the Jewish race
Speaker 1: within the international system. Like literally, that's the way they
Speaker 1: look at it. So and obviously the entire state of
Speaker 1: Israel it's premised on a kind of special pleading and
Speaker 1: naked moral exceptionalism. And owing to the fact that the
Speaker 1: Near East was such a key battle theater of the
Speaker 1: Cold War, this led to a situation where these radical
Speaker 1: Zionists could manipulate the psychological environment, you know, really according
Speaker 1: to ideological whim and owing to the Truman doctrine and
Speaker 1: other cultural realities, America, which uh, you know, was completely
Speaker 1: dominant over the territory and people of the Western world
Speaker 1: had it essentially signed on unconditionally with the Zionis. Caused,
Speaker 1: so that UH represented a global zionis tyranny. Okay, so
Speaker 1: it's obvious, it's obvious what the implications.
Speaker 3: Were and are.
Speaker 1: And but too is Islamic cultures are complicated, and I'm
Speaker 1: something of I'm something of an ecumenical guy. I think
Speaker 1: people know I like, and I'm something of an amateur anthropologist.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in race, I'm interested in e knows. I'm
Speaker 1: interested in confessional heritage and sectarian orientation. So I spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time around non white people, quite literally
Speaker 1: studying them. That sounds kind of sending, I'm sure, but
Speaker 1: you know, and partly I'm a minority where I'm at
Speaker 1: pretty much always unless I'm at church. That's fine, But
Speaker 1: you know, you can't you can't Islam with some broad brush.
Speaker 1: There's a billion Moslims of all races. You know that
Speaker 1: there's mob im sort as white as I am. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, they're they're in Eastern people. But
Speaker 1: if you look at the at the Landmark, there's this
Speaker 1: Bosniac girl who's a waitress there is she's got the
Speaker 1: coloring that I do you know she is she like
Speaker 1: not a white person because she's a Sunni like I.
Speaker 1: You know, so there's you can't you can't paint a
Speaker 1: billion people with with some singular brush, you know, perubially speaking.
Speaker 1: But also there's a lot, there's a lot to esteem
Speaker 1: within Islam. It's very alien, I think. I think white
Speaker 1: men who convert to Islam, the exception being a guy
Speaker 1: like von Leers or a guy like Guillon. If you
Speaker 1: truly go native because you're you're you know, you're cut,
Speaker 1: you're a fell out, you're like an obsessed philologist, and
Speaker 1: you spend forty years, you know, living among the Arabs,
Speaker 1: that that's different.
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about some guy who is kind of looking
Speaker 1: at his steps a relationship with God and the divine
Speaker 1: and he he just decides to convert to Islam. I
Speaker 1: think that's strange. Like I'm not if if he's truly
Speaker 1: being called to worship in that way. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: sit here and say mean things. But I believe, which
Speaker 1: is the conventional belief historically different races and and and
Speaker 1: civilizational paradigms. You know, God reveals logos to the to
Speaker 1: the different races and in discreet ways that they can
Speaker 1: understand and that abide you know, their their their their
Speaker 1: conceptual orientation and things.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So to me, Islam is really oriental. You know, it's
Speaker 1: not a white man's faith. I guess again it's not
Speaker 1: to say that, you know, Bosnias aren't white or something,
Speaker 1: but culturally they are an Eastern feeble too. They still uh,
Speaker 1: the Bosniaks, right, and like they they they used the
Speaker 1: Western alphabet in like day to day government business, but
Speaker 1: a lot of Bosniaks still write in Arabic scripts, and
Speaker 1: not just as a liturgical thing. You know, it's there.
Speaker 1: They're in Eastern coded people.
Speaker 2: But there was a you want to try another question
Speaker 2: before we before we get out of here. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Mando Spam said, have you ever explored the impact of
Speaker 2: Columbine at least before nine to eleven overshadowed it? I
Speaker 2: have found the whole subject of in particular event, the
Speaker 2: particular event intriguang dude to his legacy and its myths.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I I did a whole deep dive into
Speaker 1: it years back. And Nick turse it was something of
Speaker 1: a nut and he's a big lefty, but he wrote
Speaker 1: this really fascinating book book called Shoot Anything that Moves.
Speaker 1: It's about the logic of the free fire zone in
Speaker 1: Vietnam and the strategic Hamlet program, and he codd a
Speaker 1: huge amount of data that reveal, you know, uh a
Speaker 1: very factor heavy picture of what the part of the
Speaker 1: defense and the us R and the Vietnam you know,
Speaker 1: these these variables that informed their entire doctrintal perspective. He
Speaker 1: wrote extensively on Columbine, and Columbine was was very strange
Speaker 1: and very very mis understood and very much propagandised. And
Speaker 1: yeah that uh it's it's it stands apart as a
Speaker 1: school shooting among other reasons because it was it was
Speaker 1: it wasn't intended to be a school shooting. Leebald and
Speaker 1: Harris they they constructed uh an I ed out of
Speaker 1: pro pane tanks and shrapnel that they'd you know, screws
Speaker 1: basically like pipe bomb shrapnel, but you know, like like
Speaker 1: buckets of it. And the way Columbine High School was structured,
Speaker 1: there were at there was a lunch how where where
Speaker 1: like the underclassmen were like leaving the cafeteria and the
Speaker 1: upper classmen were going to the cafeteria. So Harris, the
Speaker 1: math nerd he determined that at a particular moment maximum
Speaker 1: human density would be within this corridor leading to the cabeteria.
Speaker 1: So its notion was we blow up this this ied
Speaker 1: that we made, and you know, we wait outside and
Speaker 1: take cover behind our cars, and as survivors run out,
Speaker 1: like we we you know, we clipped the survivors. And
Speaker 1: then when it didn't go off, Harrison cleevewelld to like
Speaker 1: what the fuck? So uh, they realized too that some
Speaker 1: teacher or some staff member was like had noticed the
Speaker 1: bomb that was like poking around at it. So then
Speaker 1: they're just like, okay, just like go, We're just like
Speaker 1: shoot as many kids as we can, you know, and
Speaker 1: it but it's also too you know, Cleebold Pleebole's mom
Speaker 1: is just like like really creepy cunt was like decided
Speaker 1: to like make a career out of like a clout
Speaker 1: career out of the fact that she's killing Cleebold's mom,
Speaker 1: like really sick stuff.
Speaker 2: But she's also she's also obviously the brains of this.
Speaker 2: She's also a member of the tribe, of course. But
Speaker 2: I'm going that's where I'm going with this, so I apologize.
Speaker 2: Cleebold was obviously the mastermind of this. He obviously was
Speaker 2: the the motivating factor, Like Harris was kind of a
Speaker 2: limited guy. His dad was an Air Force major. You know,
Speaker 2: his mom like worked for a catering company. But it's
Speaker 2: like this evil, single pathic goye issheric Harris, you know
Speaker 2: he he he led this sensitive boy astray. It's like,
Speaker 2: get the fuck out of here. But plus you Columbine,
Speaker 2: the Colorado, that little tin community has something wrong with it,
Speaker 2: Like I do only know Michael moore away, like you know,
Speaker 2: military's and men. I mean there's something wrong there, and
Speaker 2: like no one's actually from there. And there was this
Speaker 2: weird uh, there was this like weird corny megachurch that
Speaker 2: a bunch of the victims went to. You know, uh,
Speaker 2: there's something there. There was like a lack of fellow
Speaker 2: feeling there that was almost kind of caricaturist. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like the kind of the sociological factors. It's like
Speaker 2: something that the Soviets would have drawn to be like
Speaker 2: see this is like, you know, America is just a
Speaker 2: shopping mall where nobody cares about their fellow man, and
Speaker 2: all they care about is you know, status and keeping
Speaker 2: up with the Joneses. That really is like a little
Speaker 2: you know, uh, and that that has something to do
Speaker 2: with it, you know. Uh, Like the North Shore has
Speaker 2: real pathologies.
Speaker 1: Like I told you growing up my when I was
Speaker 1: a little kid, like my my schoolmate and my buddy
Speaker 1: his dad murdered his mom and we knew it. It
Speaker 1: was obvious. We talk about it openly, and like the
Speaker 1: police didn't just like let him get away with it.
Speaker 1: Like awful stuff like that happens here. But you'd never
Speaker 1: see a school shooting on the North Shore. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: happen because the dynamics aren't there for it. Like people
Speaker 1: are too interconnected, you know, something that am I gonna
Speaker 1: only happen in a place that like no one has
Speaker 1: actually a place where like no one's actually from.
Speaker 2: Yeah you needed xascinated community.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, Rob Palmer a great chicken is MP. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's important, man. And Plus I just I
Speaker 1: like Mauslims and like a lot of you know, they're
Speaker 1: they're my friends, you know, and I break bread with them,
Speaker 1: you know. And the political isn't personal, I mean, Unfore,
Speaker 1: the transity of war and peace is you may be
Speaker 1: forced to kill people who you like, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: which is which sucks not to be flipping about it.
Speaker 1: But this idea, I can tell all these people who
Speaker 1: rail against Islam, they they don't know anything about it.
Speaker 1: Then they haven't been around these people. Or it's like
Speaker 1: they're they're in the UK and there's some like half
Speaker 1: retarded Pakistani ripo who's like never set foot in a
Speaker 1: mosque who ended up there like incident to the kind
Speaker 1: of on going like ethnic cleansing program under auspices of refugeeism.
Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, that's is what I'm you know,
Speaker 1: like I'd like me saying like it's the Catholic Church
Speaker 1: that sent these Venezuelans here that were like fucking everything up,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's like that level of ignorance.
Speaker 1: But you know, like I said, I there's there's some
Speaker 1: races I like a lot more than others. Okay, but
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot, there's a lot to admire in Islam.
Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, I uh, I, I
Speaker 1: am very much a man of the West. I mean
Speaker 1: I the West went down at Stalingrad in in historical terms.
Speaker 1: But you know, if you're if you're a heritage American,
Speaker 1: you especially if you are reformed, then you have Southern
Speaker 1: cultural roots you're in kind of an odd position historically,
Speaker 1: but I, as much as one can be, I am
Speaker 1: very much a man of the West. But again, I
Speaker 1: I'm a minority on the ground where I'm at, and
Speaker 1: I'm something of an ore analyst, and I find other
Speaker 1: races interesting and also essential understanding. You know, if you
Speaker 1: take race seriously, you know, you you know, you develop
Speaker 1: a respect for it as a criteria and as a
Speaker 1: human characteristic. You know, if you're gonna, like, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna like flippantly disrespect people categorically, that's that's not a mainly
Speaker 1: thing to do. It's it's kind of like bitchy and faggy.
Speaker 1: But it's also it means you don't I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it means you don't actually respect race as is a quantity,
Speaker 1: because you wouldn't be trivial about it.
Speaker 2: I think, I think when you're when you're the victim
Speaker 2: of a social engineering regime, it's very easy for you
Speaker 2: to start studying race and then only want to concentrate
Speaker 2: on the differences.
Speaker 1: Yeah that too, that too, Yeah, and it yeah, it's
Speaker 1: but also I you know, eventually maybe this will be
Speaker 1: the third book. You know, when I say I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm ethically you know, a socialist, you know. I That's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I got interested in Islam, you know,
Speaker 1: because there are Orientalist aspects of Asmal socialism. That's where
Speaker 1: people like John von Leers came from. You know, Carl
Speaker 1: Wolf's daughter ended up being this big Islamic scholar. That's
Speaker 1: not an accident either, you know. And if you're I
Speaker 1: realized Julius Evil himself, I've always been more parts of
Speaker 1: an agy owned, but Julius Evil had a huge impact
Speaker 1: on my thinking more than almost any other political writer
Speaker 1: except maybe a Heideger Hegel and Francis Percatyockey. But you know,
Speaker 1: your Schopenhauer was a huge Orientalist. But my point being,
Speaker 1: if you understand a little socialism and the perennial doctrines
Speaker 1: that underlie it and not you know, and and you
Speaker 1: understand the historically contingent aspects of the n Step and
Speaker 1: the journal Reich, but you know that said there there
Speaker 1: weren't our perennial aspects that are timeless. And you know,
Speaker 1: no real national socialists just has some categorical disdain for
Speaker 1: the orient quite the contrary, you know, like nor does
Speaker 1: he divide the world and like, oh, there's the white
Speaker 1: people and the non white people. No, that's not anything
Speaker 1: to shake out obviously, But people don't really understand national socialism.
Speaker 1: They they think it's a meme or they think it's
Speaker 1: uh where they think it's like Johnny Rebel stuff but
Speaker 1: with with you know, and I sent his cruise or something.
Speaker 1: But I don't mean to be abrupt, but I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta speaking of the anaalop Hill guys. I gotta
Speaker 1: record with our friends Taylor and Kurt randalup Hill Ribody
Speaker 1: about an hour, and I need to give myself some
Speaker 1: time to like chill and decmpress and kind of like
Speaker 1: get my thoughts together. But I'm gonna try and upload
Speaker 1: d like a couple hours after we recorded. So I
Speaker 1: got I got dinner plans to a couple of friends
Speaker 1: of ours just at the Landmark after that.
Speaker 3: So but again it's.
Speaker 1: Like I got a lot going out of the I
Speaker 1: don't seem sort of like I don't really do ship,
Speaker 1: but I actually like do a lot of ship, man like,
Speaker 1: at least for me, I'm lucky. Man. Look, I can,
Speaker 1: you know, make my own schedule and reason, but I
Speaker 1: I want to make sure, uh, I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that my thoughts are together for this uh this
Speaker 1: pot episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you man.
Speaker 1: I'll hit you up by text later today or I
Speaker 1: mean we we always keep up in the chat, but
Speaker 1: i'll hit you guys up later today or tomorrow. I'm
Speaker 1: recording a Burden tomorrow morning. But after that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be basically available. But yeah, and thank you subs. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate the fit that you've made this weekly stream pop.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'll i'll throw this up on h on
Speaker 1: the on the sub stick when it finishes processing and
Speaker 1: all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right to good people, and thank you.
Speaker 2: Pete, thank you, Somas.
Speaker 3: Take care. Yeah, man,