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<v Speaker 1>I believe the two remaining known operatives of the of

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<v Speaker 1>the Rhode Army fraction she got sends today to thirteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>She was an elderly lady obviously, but she was still

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<v Speaker 1>in the game when they raided her. She was staying

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<v Speaker 1>in Berlin and hiding in Playing Sight under an assumed name,

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<v Speaker 1>and she had a quarter million euros in cash and

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<v Speaker 1>uh an RPG, which is pretty dope, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>old lady was still a was still at least you know,

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<v Speaker 1>head at one foot.

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<v Speaker 2>And does that tell you that, I bet some Does

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<v Speaker 2>that tell you that somebody's still taking care of her?

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<v Speaker 2>If she had that much cash on her, that she's

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<v Speaker 2>still Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, a lot of the a lot of the females,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the Bottle Minhaw Federation. She was a wheelman

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<v Speaker 1>and she pulled off a lot of robberies as their

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<v Speaker 1>driver for the crew that the coadretor the cell she

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<v Speaker 1>was assigned to. So she would have been a she

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<v Speaker 1>would have been stacking up a lot of cash money,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the were recovered.

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<v Speaker 1>But who knows the one of the reasons, I'm right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Horse Tomler was a great man, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know He was not just the defense console for the

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<v Speaker 1>body mindhof element when they found themselves under indictment and

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<v Speaker 1>when the Buddhist Republic security apparatus really targeted them in earnest.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, he was very much a national socialist,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why immediately after the air border came down

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<v Speaker 1>he clicked up with the NPD. And people who don't

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<v Speaker 1>really understand the dialectics of how you know, political life

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<v Speaker 1>shook out in in conceptual terms, they thought that that

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<v Speaker 1>was schizo or incoherent, like they don't get it. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't get that the National Socialist resistance. So they're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Otto Riemer or Yachkeen H. K. Thompson or Carl

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<v Speaker 1>Wolf or the you know, Johann von Leers.

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<v Speaker 3>They their disposition was.

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<v Speaker 1>Qualifiedly pro warsaw packed you know, and the the Wrote

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<v Speaker 1>Army fraction they had very uh, they had very good

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<v Speaker 1>offices and very strong operational links of the Popular Front

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<v Speaker 1>for Liberation at Palestine General Command. You know, they during

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<v Speaker 1>the Cold War there there were there weren't conceptual spaces

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<v Speaker 1>for some sort of neo fascist resistance that was going

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<v Speaker 1>to develop a direct action capability and if they emerged

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<v Speaker 1>like they did in Italy, they would have simply been

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<v Speaker 1>assimilated into the the NATO gladiotype structure. Okay, so if

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<v Speaker 1>you were a real if you were a real European liberationist,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were a real national socialist, you have don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what Horse Somaler did. And like, don't get me

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<v Speaker 1>wrong there the majority of these RF people were were

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<v Speaker 1>hardcore like non unreconstructed Stalinists, but not all of them were.

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<v Speaker 1>But even that, you know, again, this this idea that

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<v Speaker 1>there was some sort of open field of conceptual and

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<v Speaker 1>potentialities that could be brought deferation through praxis. That's that's laughable.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not that that that that that that would not

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<v Speaker 1>have been realizable.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So plus to the the RAF, one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>why the Shtazi pretty much threw everything at them that

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted in terms of gear and logistical support and

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<v Speaker 1>money and you know, safe houses. They they rejected the

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight or euro Communist sensibility. They they viewed they

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<v Speaker 1>viewed it as a decadent bourgeoisie sensibility. They were Stalinists,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they were. They were allied with the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>Union until the end the final, the final operation of

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<v Speaker 1>the third wrote Army fraction or the third generation, which

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<v Speaker 1>was the bottom mine off element. They murdered some bundest

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<v Speaker 1>Republic Bank president in nineteen ninety and then they formally

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<v Speaker 1>they sent h in nineties seven or ninety eight, they

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<v Speaker 1>issued a formal statement, you know, saying that they were

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<v Speaker 1>disbanding because amidst globalism, their their war was over. Because

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<v Speaker 1>again they were first, last and always they were allied

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<v Speaker 1>with Warsaw Packed. You know, they didn't they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>this revision as fluid understanding of communism derived of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Frankfurt School sociology and things, you know. And some people

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<v Speaker 1>would allege, well, they were just a client proxy of

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<v Speaker 1>Warsaw Pack, of the DDR and a of the KGB

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<v Speaker 1>and the GRU. That's really not true. There there was

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<v Speaker 1>an organic and spontaneous mobilization of that element, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And they people don't. People aren't professional intelligence men or

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<v Speaker 1>security state types don't. They don't just take on those

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<v Speaker 1>kind of commitments, you know, because they're being it's a

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<v Speaker 1>way you know, getting a paycheck or something.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>They they uh pretty much pretty much all the virtually

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<v Speaker 1>every one of the rode Army fraction. Each iteration was

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<v Speaker 1>killed in action, was murdered under odd circumstances, or died

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. You know, it's not as if there was

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<v Speaker 1>some great return on investment if you were an apolitical

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<v Speaker 1>who was simply interested in a paycheck. But yeah, being

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<v Speaker 1>Max has recently finished hit recently finished Hitler's War, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>already number of Last Battle. Maybe Jackson was the reality

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<v Speaker 1>of the European War. Jackson really was.

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<v Speaker 3>He was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a country lawyer, like like out of the

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<v Speaker 1>like out of a hokey movie or something. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't putting on errors. That's what he was. He

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a hit And that was deliberate because

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<v Speaker 1>if there'd been some slick New York ethnic guy, or

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<v Speaker 1>some Jewish guy, or even some or even some uh

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<v Speaker 1>blue blood Wall Street guy who's got buddy of Roosevelts

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, that would have been the wrong optics.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Jackson was supposed to represent. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just I'm just I'm just a decent Middle American like you.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, as a Christian man, I I I've

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<v Speaker 1>never seen evil of the sort that you know has

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<v Speaker 1>been revealed. You know to be underway in the German Reich.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, so I don't think he was acting, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think he was something of an ignoramus.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's also he I mean, Gearing made a fool

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<v Speaker 1>out of him.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The strongest uh, the strongest uh cadre, that's not the

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<v Speaker 1>right word. The strongest trial team at Nuremberg was the

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<v Speaker 1>British by a long shot.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The France was in a weird position, so they for

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of reasons, including that it was Frenchman defending

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<v Speaker 1>the reich stock in the final hours. Okay, the soul

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<v Speaker 1>it's wanted to in typical Soviet fashion. They they were,

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<v Speaker 1>they were constitutionally paranoid in the hostile and said we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to hang everybody. You know, the the Americans were

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<v Speaker 1>you know again, Uh, there was a lot of Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of people picking up the slack for him,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I mean he make a mistake. He

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<v Speaker 1>had he in the entire tribunal had had had absurd advantages.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the defense essentially had no discovery rights or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, uh, Jackson wasn't just a figurehead that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting at. He really did set the tenor the

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<v Speaker 1>tone in Tenor. But that's why Also when it became

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<v Speaker 1>clear he was actually trying to get a verdict on

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<v Speaker 1>Helmar Shocked, the British are like, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, It's like, first of all, Shocked is here

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<v Speaker 1>to be acquitted, because the appearance of do process is

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<v Speaker 1>paramount and absolutely essential, especially when it's not being honored,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But also Holmar Shocked was he was very

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<v Speaker 1>well connected plus too, I mean, you accepted the ethical

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<v Speaker 1>narrative as well as the elements of the offenses alleged

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of scientier, Helmer Shocked was literally a banker, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>What was he supposed to do?

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<v Speaker 1>He was supposed to what was he supposed to become

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<v Speaker 1>some revolutionary after after the NSDAP ascendency, like quit his

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<v Speaker 1>job or even poverty and trying murder Hitler. I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, that's not realistic. I think he's a shock.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't even make the claim like people had about Spear,

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<v Speaker 1>like Spear the terrible person. Don't get me wrong, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm speaking within the bounty rationale of liability assigned by

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<v Speaker 1>you know, within the four corners of the indictments Spear

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<v Speaker 1>went out of his way to acquire power within the

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<v Speaker 1>executive element of the party state. Helmar shocked, didn't I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and you don't. You don't have some obligation.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have some obligation again, uh to uh quit

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<v Speaker 1>your job, live in poverty and and and like take

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<v Speaker 1>on the role of some sort of like twentieth century

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<v Speaker 1>Diogenes and protest of your government because because America decided

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<v Speaker 1>that it's evil, you know, and really all they had,

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<v Speaker 1>Unshocked was there's this photograph I believe, I believe it

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<v Speaker 1>was from nineteen thirty eight, after the murder Adolphins. As

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Hitler was dealing with benez and that whole

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<v Speaker 1>fiasco and was relying on, you know, Mussolini's support and

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<v Speaker 1>good offices they're in with the Kingdom of Italy. And

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<v Speaker 1>at that time too, you know, people forget Mussolini was

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<v Speaker 1>viewed as not just a dynamic personage, but something of

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<v Speaker 1>a broker between great European powers who could be trusted

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<v Speaker 1>on grounds that he was preceding a position in neutrality.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, him being cast as this is this evil

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<v Speaker 1>buffoon came much later, but you know, know, uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>Austrian national socialist murdering dolphus In you know, like mafia's

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<v Speaker 1>style that came close to resolving and utterly catastrophic circumstances.

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<v Speaker 1>But in any event, I believe after Hitler smoothed over

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<v Speaker 1>the crisis with Mussolini and he was returning from Rome,

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<v Speaker 1>Helmar Shocked is greeting beating Hitler.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh. One of Hitler's.

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<v Speaker 1>Adjutants, It wasn't called Wolf, but one of one of

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<v Speaker 1>his military adjutants is with them. I think Gerring's on

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<v Speaker 1>deck and and uh hess and uh Shocked is like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pumping Hitler's hand with like a big smile

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<v Speaker 1>on his face. It's like, well, I mean this he

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<v Speaker 1>was greeting the fury in the Reichs Consler. It'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, it's the equivalent of that chairman of

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<v Speaker 1>the FED shaking hands with Donald Trump then declaring that

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<v Speaker 1>that means that he loves Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So there, But that's to the Fellaw's point about Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>being an amateur, you know, of a jurist. That that

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<v Speaker 1>was his big attempt at rebuttal is is uh blowing

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<v Speaker 1>up that picture to poster size like Cee c The

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<v Speaker 1>fuck out of here. It's ridiculous, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But are you familiar with the book The Psychology of

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<v Speaker 2>Dictatorship by GM Gilbert.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm a redd up, but I'm familiar with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Excited a lot in a certain category of academic literature.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He he's the one who did the psychoanalysis of the Nuremberg.

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<v Speaker 3>Places.

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<v Speaker 2>A buddy of mine is republishing it because it's been

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<v Speaker 2>out of prince a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, that's that's that's that's great. That's very exciting

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<v Speaker 1>that all this, all these sort of dormant publications are

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<v Speaker 1>are now being brought back into regular availability. Wasn't gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say a minute ago it was thought, oh no, but

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<v Speaker 1>I included. One of the longest chapters in my book

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<v Speaker 1>is about the individual defendants and how the case in

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<v Speaker 1>chief against them was characterized and what role they played

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<v Speaker 1>within the narrative.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I mean some of this is obvious. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Gerring obviously was a stand in for Adolf Hitler because

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<v Speaker 1>at one time he was the designated successor of the Fear.

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<v Speaker 1>But also Gearing was a very outsized personage in every way,

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<v Speaker 3>Lurish is slowly losing his mind.

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<v Speaker 1>lie despite being ordered to pursue essentially direct action against politicals,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like find elements, particularly like black and Spanish elements,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's called Steel Storm nineteen seventy nine. But in

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<v Speaker 1>addition to that, I'm writing what I think of the

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<v Speaker 1>and what its relationship is to I don't like the

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<v Speaker 1>term alt right because I think it's it's been very corrupted,

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm above that. I mean, other than like our

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<v Speaker 1>genuine ops and people who are total assholes. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think Richard Spencer's genuinely a really shitty guy. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's like he's really he's like a really bad guy. He's,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in really perfidest and a real shit big

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<v Speaker 1>and of course that that was a big part of

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't like that term petty as that might seem.

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<v Speaker 1>But I whatever you want to call the new Resistance,

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<v Speaker 1>that really I mean it. It was developing all really

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<v Speaker 1>and six team presidential election. But I found about that

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<v Speaker 1>mean I did bear witness to a lot of this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>You had like March ninety one, that was the Rodney

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<v Speaker 1>and there was like there was like multiple paradigms at work,

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<v Speaker 1>And that that colored the perspective of a whole generation

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<v Speaker 1>of partisans. And then there was a you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Clinton and Bar you know Bush forty one and Bar.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really a perfect storm of factors. And then

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<v Speaker 1>but then as the nineties uh war on like like

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<v Speaker 1>Starr was a the whole concept of an independent council

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<v Speaker 1>him never had any legs, you know, he became a

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<v Speaker 1>lame duck president. You know, so something like Waco would

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<v Speaker 1>have been unthinkable if if Clinton had been continuing to

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<v Speaker 1>against domestic elements, you know. And then like nine to

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<v Speaker 1>regime forgot about us. And that was a weird time

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<v Speaker 1>because people were so focused on the international situation admittedly

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<v Speaker 1>they they they had propagandas and highly you know, uh

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<v Speaker 1>and and very superficial and in diminished understanding of the variables.

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<v Speaker 1>But it totally altered people's conceptual horizon. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>by even before nine to eleven, by like by like

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<v Speaker 1>which is easing up, you know. And so I mean

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<v Speaker 1>of people and it's complicated. I'm not saying people are stupid,

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<v Speaker 1>especially young people who don't realize this, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>But then you know, people got sick of woke stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and just sort of like you know, developed a quorum

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<v Speaker 1>as it were, around Donald Trump, you know, and then

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<v Speaker 1>that set off the inner party. So this this like

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<v Speaker 1>it goes way deeper than that, and there's a direct

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<v Speaker 1>the the American UH resistance post ninety five, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and all those patriotic elements and pronational socialists and and

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<v Speaker 1>and pro fascist elements, you know, and UH that developed

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<v Speaker 1>And then uh, you know, and there's a real concern

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the few really insightful things Rockwell wrote

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<v Speaker 1>and P publications of the day, these these angry, disenfranchised

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<v Speaker 1>you know, especially because you know, the biker subculture then

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of those guys went right into biker again,

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<v Speaker 1>ultimat Speedway concert. Great where where the Hell's Angels like

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<v Speaker 2>Those That's history. I mean, that's a piece of history.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to see history, that's a great documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>Well she was acting like she's like why, and she

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's a Hollywood movie about like the Hell's

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<v Speaker 1>Angels are awesome and you know, like it they they

421
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<v Speaker 1>had real clouds. So it wasn't weird for uh, especially

422
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<v Speaker 1>with what was going on in LA. I mean this

423
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<v Speaker 1>was sixty nine, yeah, sixty nine seventy, you know, it

424
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<v Speaker 1>wasn't uh sixty six sixty seven. But still, I mean

425
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<v Speaker 1>there there's powder kick potential. It's like, okay, the Hell's

426
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<v Speaker 1>Angels can they can handle something like this? And you know,

427
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<v Speaker 1>they got they got the you know, back up in

428
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<v Speaker 1>being on the ground and in case things really jump off.

429
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<v Speaker 1>But unfortunately with the Hell's Angels in them days, if

430
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<v Speaker 1>they felt threatened, they were just gonna stand people up,

431
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:56.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, like they weren't.

432
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<v Speaker 3>They weren't.

433
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<v Speaker 1>They weren't gonna zip tight their hands and and miss them.

434
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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna fucking kill you, you know. But uh, yeah, there

435
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.799
<v Speaker 1>was a real concern, uh, of those guys developing a

436
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:09.880
<v Speaker 1>political consciousness and like going all in and you know

437
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:13.880
<v Speaker 1>then being like you know where you're gonna you're gonna

438
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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna try, and you're gonna try and forcibly integrate

439
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<v Speaker 1>you know.

440
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<v Speaker 3>A high school in our hood.

441
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<v Speaker 1>Well, we've all been under fire and like even National

442
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<v Speaker 1>Guard toy soldiers, you know, let's let's get down, and

443
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:27.839
<v Speaker 1>that could have happened, you know, that wasn't just a fantasy,

444
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and the core of a lot of the old resistance

445
00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:33.160
<v Speaker 1>guys like like Lewis Beam, he was a warrant officer.

446
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:33.960
<v Speaker 3>He started out as.

447
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:36.160
<v Speaker 1>A door gunner on a Hewet crew and then I

448
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:38.559
<v Speaker 1>think he became a pilot, you know, because like so

449
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:43.240
<v Speaker 1>many choppers were going down. The warrant officer program was

450
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:47.039
<v Speaker 1>a big deal, you know. And uh, warrant officers could

451
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<v Speaker 1>fly choppers, you know, they couldn't fly fixed wing but

452
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<v Speaker 1>uh and Lewis Beam, uh he uh he he paramilitarized

453
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<v Speaker 1>the Klan in Texas and uh they as he went

454
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<v Speaker 1>to war with these Vietnamese fishermen who are undercutting uh

455
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, the a lot of white Texans in the industry,

456
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:10.799
<v Speaker 1>and so I mean there was real uh. And then

457
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<v Speaker 1>of course there was the uh there was the the

458
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Jonesborough shootout, you know where uh the n sw PP

459
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:23.519
<v Speaker 1>clicked up with the Klan, which hadn't happened before. You know,

460
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:26.079
<v Speaker 1>they were like on the road tip, you know, uh,

461
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>which makes sense, you know. But uh it was Covington,

462
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:35.119
<v Speaker 1>who uh weirdo that he was, like he wasn't a coward,

463
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:38.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, Covington, that was his you know, and he

464
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.640
<v Speaker 1>he uh he showed up mob deep. But the nsw

465
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<v Speaker 1>PP when the Communist Workers Party made it clear that,

466
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<v Speaker 1>uh they were gonna attack the klan, you know, and

467
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<v Speaker 1>uh they also the the Communist Workers Party that was

468
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<v Speaker 1>that was a bunch almost exclusively Jewish, and a bunch

469
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>of these people were like medical doctors and and like

470
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<v Speaker 1>New York City lawyers.

471
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<v Speaker 3>They were.

472
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<v Speaker 1>They were absolutely I think they were getting money from

473
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<v Speaker 1>n g o's affiliate with Pey king On like Gus Hall.

474
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:10.160
<v Speaker 1>In fact, I'm sure of it. But they they really

475
00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:13.200
<v Speaker 1>were a Communist proxy. They weren't playing, you know. And

476
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:17.640
<v Speaker 1>they they were trying to unionize uh black textile workers,

477
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:21.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, and basically a siny way to radical Maoist

478
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:27.079
<v Speaker 1>consciousness into the union mandate. And a lot of the

479
00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:32.079
<v Speaker 1>foremen at these textile mills were clan guys. So they

480
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:35.480
<v Speaker 1>started targeting these guys for violence, you know. So like

481
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:38.519
<v Speaker 1>when Covin get heard about it, he's like that, we're

482
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.119
<v Speaker 1>not gonna let it happen. And uh so the National

483
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.839
<v Speaker 1>Socialist White People's Party guys showed up, like I said,

484
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:49.720
<v Speaker 1>mob deep, and the Communist Workers Party they they they

485
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.640
<v Speaker 1>got they got fucking got man. You know, they they

486
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.599
<v Speaker 1>definitely bid off something that they did not like the

487
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>taste of. But you know, and then of course too

488
00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:02.599
<v Speaker 1>there's this there's this laughable Truth and Reconciliation Commission convened

489
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I think, and uh is that is a twentieth anniversary

490
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.440
<v Speaker 1>which would have been ninety nine, And of course they

491
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:14.759
<v Speaker 1>presented it, uh as a some sort of conspiracy where oh,

492
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>these the these Klan guys and these National socialists, they

493
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:23.119
<v Speaker 1>they murdered these you know, these community activists, and and

494
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:25.759
<v Speaker 1>this racistory letting go away with it. It's like this

495
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>was a this was a case of mutual cobbed if

496
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>there ever was one. You know, the fact, the fact

497
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<v Speaker 1>that the Kami's lost. I mean, you know, you know,

498
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.240
<v Speaker 1>you're not you're not entitled. Uh, you're not entitled to

499
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<v Speaker 1>a homicide verdict against your ops if you if you

500
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:46.279
<v Speaker 1>lose a firefight. You know, but uh, that uh when

501
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean obviously that was post or not.

502
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:53.960
<v Speaker 2>It reminds me of the programs in Russia. Jewish revolutionary

503
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Marxist would rise up and as soon as they got

504
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<v Speaker 2>their ass kicked by the Black hundred, says screen programs

505
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<v Speaker 2>and get articles written about him in the German newspaper.

506
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, we we're just we're just

507
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:13.119
<v Speaker 1>we're just peace loving Talmud scholars. And these Cossacks and

508
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:15.359
<v Speaker 1>these anti Semites they just came and murdered us for

509
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>no reason at all. But but no, that that incident

510
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:24.400
<v Speaker 1>had a huge impact on the way the regime proceeded

511
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<v Speaker 1>against the old resistance. And you know, so that there's

512
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of here that I'm getting at and I'm

513
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.960
<v Speaker 1>hoping a lot of these guys are dead and including

514
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Covington unfortunately, but you know I do through uh my friend,

515
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>uh Damon Wevan talked to him minute.

516
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<v Speaker 3>I I'm a texture of phone call.

517
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<v Speaker 1>He's tight with r and Taylor, you know, and and

518
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.039
<v Speaker 1>our tailor Aaron Taylor and his wife are just incredible

519
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<v Speaker 1>fucking people.

520
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:50.839
<v Speaker 3>Man.

521
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:54.599
<v Speaker 1>He treated us me and uh my, my guy Hoders.

522
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:56.559
<v Speaker 1>He was like he's like the six and a half tall,

523
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:58.799
<v Speaker 1>like sweetly like legit, it looks like a Viking.

524
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<v Speaker 3>So like he was a big hit.

525
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:03.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean he's he's like a really classy dude and

526
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:07.119
<v Speaker 1>he's like, you know, he's everybody likes him. But yeah,

527
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.640
<v Speaker 1>it was me Damon Wyatt, and I'm Anders and uh

528
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:14.799
<v Speaker 1>they insisted we stay for dinner, and uh his wife

529
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:16.880
<v Speaker 1>clipped up this incredible like pot roast.

530
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:22.359
<v Speaker 3>It was this, you know, fantastic. But you know Taylor, uh, he's.

531
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.359
<v Speaker 1>Had a crazy life, man, and he uh when he

532
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>he clicked up with Robert Depew because Taylor was a

533
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 1>Chicago guy and you know he was ripping and running

534
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:35.240
<v Speaker 1>you know on uh back when the West Side had

535
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:38.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh like a.

536
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.839
<v Speaker 3>An island of a white ethnic hoods.

537
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:44.160
<v Speaker 1>And he clicked up with Robert Depew, who was uh

538
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the honcho the original Minute Man organization. It's got nothing

539
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:49.880
<v Speaker 1>to do with like the later minute Men and who

540
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>like run by that Chomo who were like we're going

541
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:54.039
<v Speaker 1>to police. I'm ox second Border, Like nothing to do

542
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:56.839
<v Speaker 1>with it at all. But Depew was a total psycho,

543
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.519
<v Speaker 1>and uh he tried to murder Taylor all a league.

544
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.799
<v Speaker 1>He drove by his house, his parents' house here in

545
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Chicago and like like open fire in the house and

546
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 1>they got like nobody was hurt, but you know, and

547
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:15.240
<v Speaker 1>that's uh, that's when Taylor's like, Okay, I gotta go

548
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>under ground. He's like, I got the FBI in Chicago,

549
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:20.839
<v Speaker 1>PD up my ass and now I got the pew

550
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:24.079
<v Speaker 1>and these maniacs trying to like shooting at my fucking parents,

551
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, but he but he is me as it may,

552
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:30.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't. Taylor's elderly, you know, he's about my father's age,

553
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and he's not in great health. So I I've been

554
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.279
<v Speaker 1>meaning to go visit him with Damon and and take

555
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.400
<v Speaker 1>down some of his oral history just anyway, just because

556
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>he's a dude. He got a lot of respect for

557
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.839
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's important. But also that'd be a

558
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:48.400
<v Speaker 1>huge help for this manuscript. And there's some other guys,

559
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:50.079
<v Speaker 1>and that's why I tried to track down winder All.

560
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.240
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, I wanted to talk to Alex anyway,

561
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.720
<v Speaker 1>because I I didn't talk to him like ten fucking years.

562
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.039
<v Speaker 1>I should have kept out it wasn't some kind of

563
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.400
<v Speaker 1>open secret that he died. I guess I shouldn't. I

564
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:04.319
<v Speaker 1>was so kind of immersed of my own stuff. I

565
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's easy to kind of despite how connected

566
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:10.960
<v Speaker 1>we are in kind of partisan circles and through new media,

567
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you can very much kind of like lose track of

568
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:16.839
<v Speaker 1>people and and their entire sort of sphere of activity.

569
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.119
<v Speaker 1>But the reason I wanted to reach out to Alex

570
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just because I wanted him to come out of

571
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>the pod. There were some things about the world situation

572
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk to him about. But I also

573
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<v Speaker 1>was hold when I could get him to go on record,

574
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:33.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, with you know, some testimony relating to this

575
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.440
<v Speaker 1>other project. But we'll see, man, I'll put I I

576
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>got to think about who I should approach here and

577
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.000
<v Speaker 1>one of the Uh, as much as I don't like

578
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.839
<v Speaker 1>Amoran American Runss, I do like Kim Indiana that that

579
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>dude's a fucking prince, you know, and he's he's our friend,

580
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>and uh, I might suck it up and go to

581
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:57.759
<v Speaker 1>Amern next time they go Old Pow Wow, because uh,

582
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:01.960
<v Speaker 1>there are some guys there or like Brad Griffin. Brad

583
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Griffin's uh he's a few years longer than me, but

584
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.240
<v Speaker 1>he's like he's like an old head also, but he

585
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.880
<v Speaker 1>knew he I think he actually knew Covington, like they

586
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>collaborated on stuff, you know. And there's some other guys

587
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.360
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, it's still of the Southern dudes. And there's

588
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.360
<v Speaker 1>actually a cool ass dude. I met a like this

589
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 1>huge guy, like he looks like a fucking grizzly bear

590
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:23.599
<v Speaker 1>or something. But he's like this kind of like pocus

591
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:27.320
<v Speaker 1>in electrical like Alabama guy like big national socialists, So

592
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:29.039
<v Speaker 1>he kind of like bonded over there. I think you

593
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:30.920
<v Speaker 1>might have met him. Here's that like very tall, like

594
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 1>very kind of I'm not being mean. He was kind

595
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:34.679
<v Speaker 1>of like a very tall, very fat guy with like

596
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.760
<v Speaker 1>a big beard, don't I don't know if you met

597
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.360
<v Speaker 1>him or not, but he I don't want to name

598
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.079
<v Speaker 1>check him because I don't know how public a private

599
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:45.400
<v Speaker 1>he is. But he uh, you know that there's a

600
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:48.000
<v Speaker 1>handful of guys who show up at Ameran who I

601
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:51.800
<v Speaker 1>think i'd be we're talking to who could probably contribute

602
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.840
<v Speaker 1>testimony that would be fruitful. But you know, regardless, I

603
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm gonna I'm writing it anyway, you know.

604
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:02.000
<v Speaker 1>But I put a premium underrect testimony. And I think

605
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.599
<v Speaker 1>that's in part because my education was as a lawyer.

606
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.199
<v Speaker 1>But I also if you're talking about if you're talking

607
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<v Speaker 1>about a political movement and the practice they're in and

608
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the impact I'm the conceptual environment and thing is that

609
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:23.039
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's essential of direct testimony. But I you know,

610
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:28.519
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm optimistic about this manuscript that ANALYM. Hill

611
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:34.199
<v Speaker 1>is busily printing now. So when revenues from NATS they're

612
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>coming in, that should basically that should do a long

613
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.440
<v Speaker 1>way in like funding what I needed.

614
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:40.719
<v Speaker 3>To do to write this other book.

615
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:43.079
<v Speaker 1>So I'm hoping to kind of get into a pattern

616
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<v Speaker 1>where I kind of as I am always working on

617
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.639
<v Speaker 1>a long form project, and when when one gets published,

618
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>as revenue comes in from NAT it can like fund

619
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the next one, you know. But I I think this

620
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.519
<v Speaker 1>is important anyway, this subject matter. But I also think

621
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<v Speaker 1>it's I also think it's a good compliment piece to

622
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:04.880
<v Speaker 1>the nerveoug System book because the latter is so very

623
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:10.239
<v Speaker 1>abstract and conceptual. I think it's well placed to, you know,

624
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:15.079
<v Speaker 1>produce something that deals with a very concrete aspect of

625
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:18.840
<v Speaker 1>direct action and things like that. You want to hit

626
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<v Speaker 1>up some question, Yeah, Kevin is great. Yeh, Ken is great.

627
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<v Speaker 1>He's just an incredibly cool.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to hit up question. We had a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of questions earlier. I'm not gonna I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>say his name, but he said, could you expand on

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<v Speaker 2>the relationship, if any, between the RAF and Syria, Egypt,

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<v Speaker 2>Lebanon and the splinter PLO cadres.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I there was read UH the old der

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<v Speaker 1>vague newspaper that was published in Argentina until Perone was

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<v Speaker 1>removed from office. The National Resistance considered UH Darl Islam

636
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<v Speaker 1>to be an essential low guy and the primary battle

637
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<v Speaker 1>space contra Judea. You know, in the the decades following

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<v Speaker 1>the day of defeat, so Otto Reimer was UH spent

639
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<v Speaker 1>many years in Syria. Carl Carl Wolf did as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and UH was instrumental in UH modernizing infantry doctrine the

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<v Speaker 1>Syrian army. Johann van Leers served in the court at Nasser.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he then converted to Islam and became it

643
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<v Speaker 1>took on the name Omar Amen.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Examples are legion. Also, the Islamic world was axis alide.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there was there was a Palestinian element UH

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<v Speaker 1>of the vass the Arab legion, you know, obviously there

648
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<v Speaker 1>was hens Are, there was the Ousti Legians. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a huge effort in substantial measure. Uh. I'm in a

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<v Speaker 1>senior moment, hose his name. It'll come to me one

651
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<v Speaker 1>of the one of the major personages who UH had

652
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<v Speaker 1>very much benefited from the patronage of Paul Hauser. He

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<v Speaker 1>made it a personal mission to mobilize Muslim populations on

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet frontier and also building Imam schools dedicated UH

655
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<v Speaker 1>to a Islamic understanding, the national socialism and cadre building

656
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:35.159
<v Speaker 1>within Islamic populations, you know, the Darla Islam was as

657
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:38.079
<v Speaker 1>allied with the Axis powers as the Empire of Japan was.

658
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<v Speaker 1>Okay and UH again by UH after nineteen sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Really the primary, the primary battle active battle space of

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<v Speaker 1>the Cold War was the near reast occupied Palestine, the

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<v Speaker 1>Levant and beyond, you know, and UH. The understanding was

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<v Speaker 1>that of the national socialists and adjacent elements you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on the right, European liberationists, you know, Latin American fascist

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<v Speaker 1>national socialists, Islamic revolutionaries, as well as secular Arabist elements

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<v Speaker 1>and Arab national socialists. The understanding was that not only

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<v Speaker 1>was not only was the mission of Israel to create

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00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:29.840
<v Speaker 1>a greater racial state that would be facilitated by the

668
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:36.760
<v Speaker 1>annihilation of populations deemed hostile you know, Jordanians, Palestinians, Vinese Syrians,

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<v Speaker 1>but that the Jewish state it gave, it gave Zionism

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<v Speaker 1>in the Jews of the people power at international affairs

671
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:50.800
<v Speaker 1>and at direct military capacity, and that wasn't that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>as incredibly dangerous and one of the Israel Is considered

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<v Speaker 1>by its advocates and the bisecular Zionists to literally be

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<v Speaker 1>the political literation of the Jews as the people. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the rationale for kidnapping eye Command and taking him

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<v Speaker 1>to Israel, because the state of Israel, it's the instantation

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<v Speaker 1>of the of the Jewish people as a political actor

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<v Speaker 1>as well as they're the representative of the Jewish race

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<v Speaker 1>within the international system. Like literally, that's the way they

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<v Speaker 1>look at it. So and obviously the entire state of

681
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<v Speaker 1>Israel it's premised on a kind of special pleading and

682
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:42.360
<v Speaker 1>naked moral exceptionalism. And owing to the fact that the

683
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<v Speaker 1>Near East was such a key battle theater of the

684
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<v Speaker 1>Cold War, this led to a situation where these radical

685
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<v Speaker 1>Zionists could manipulate the psychological environment, you know, really according

686
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<v Speaker 1>to ideological whim and owing to the Truman doctrine and

687
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:06.599
<v Speaker 1>other cultural realities, America, which uh, you know, was completely

688
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:10.239
<v Speaker 1>dominant over the territory and people of the Western world

689
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:14.199
<v Speaker 1>had it essentially signed on unconditionally with the Zionis. Caused,

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<v Speaker 1>so that UH represented a global zionis tyranny. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's obvious, it's obvious what the implications.

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<v Speaker 3>Were and are.

693
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<v Speaker 1>And but too is Islamic cultures are complicated, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>something of I'm something of an ecumenical guy. I think

695
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<v Speaker 1>people know I like, and I'm something of an amateur anthropologist.

696
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<v Speaker 1>I'm interested in race, I'm interested in e knows. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>interested in confessional heritage and sectarian orientation. So I spend

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time around non white people, quite literally

699
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:51.119
<v Speaker 1>studying them. That sounds kind of sending, I'm sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and partly I'm a minority where I'm at

701
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<v Speaker 1>pretty much always unless I'm at church. That's fine, But

702
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:02.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, you can't you can't Islam with some broad brush.

703
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<v Speaker 1>There's a billion Moslims of all races. You know that

704
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<v Speaker 1>there's mob im sort as white as I am. Okay,

705
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean, they're they're in Eastern people. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the at the Landmark, there's this

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<v Speaker 1>Bosniac girl who's a waitress there is she's got the

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<v Speaker 1>coloring that I do you know she is she like

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<v Speaker 1>not a white person because she's a Sunni like I.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so there's you can't you can't paint a

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<v Speaker 1>billion people with with some singular brush, you know, perubially speaking.

712
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<v Speaker 1>But also there's a lot, there's a lot to esteem

713
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<v Speaker 1>within Islam. It's very alien, I think. I think white

714
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<v Speaker 1>men who convert to Islam, the exception being a guy

715
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<v Speaker 1>like von Leers or a guy like Guillon. If you

716
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:51.239
<v Speaker 1>truly go native because you're you're you know, you're cut,

717
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.679
<v Speaker 1>you're a fell out, you're like an obsessed philologist, and

718
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:57.039
<v Speaker 1>you spend forty years, you know, living among the Arabs,

719
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<v Speaker 1>that that's different.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not talking about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about some guy who is kind of looking

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<v Speaker 1>at his steps a relationship with God and the divine

723
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<v Speaker 1>and he he just decides to convert to Islam. I

724
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<v Speaker 1>think that's strange. Like I'm not if if he's truly

725
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<v Speaker 1>being called to worship in that way. I'm not gonna

726
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:20.119
<v Speaker 1>sit here and say mean things. But I believe, which

727
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:25.400
<v Speaker 1>is the conventional belief historically different races and and and

728
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:32.320
<v Speaker 1>civilizational paradigms. You know, God reveals logos to the to

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<v Speaker 1>the different races and in discreet ways that they can

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<v Speaker 1>understand and that abide you know, their their their their

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<v Speaker 1>conceptual orientation and things.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So to me, Islam is really oriental. You know, it's

734
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:49.960
<v Speaker 1>not a white man's faith. I guess again it's not

735
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<v Speaker 1>to say that, you know, Bosnias aren't white or something,

736
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>but culturally they are an Eastern feeble too. They still uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bosniaks, right, and like they they they used the

738
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<v Speaker 1>Western alphabet in like day to day government business, but

739
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:09.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Bosniaks still write in Arabic scripts, and

740
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<v Speaker 1>not just as a liturgical thing. You know, it's there.

741
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<v Speaker 1>They're in Eastern coded people.

742
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<v Speaker 2>But there was a you want to try another question

743
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<v Speaker 2>before we before we get out of here. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Mando Spam said, have you ever explored the impact of

745
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Columbine at least before nine to eleven overshadowed it? I

746
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:32.920
<v Speaker 2>have found the whole subject of in particular event, the

747
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<v Speaker 2>particular event intriguang dude to his legacy and its myths.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, I I did a whole deep dive into

749
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.800
<v Speaker 1>it years back. And Nick turse it was something of

750
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.320
<v Speaker 1>a nut and he's a big lefty, but he wrote

751
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:53.079
<v Speaker 1>this really fascinating book book called Shoot Anything that Moves.

752
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<v Speaker 1>It's about the logic of the free fire zone in

753
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:02.079
<v Speaker 1>Vietnam and the strategic Hamlet program, and he codd a

754
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:06.519
<v Speaker 1>huge amount of data that reveal, you know, uh a

755
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:10.079
<v Speaker 1>very factor heavy picture of what the part of the

756
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.400
<v Speaker 1>defense and the us R and the Vietnam you know,

757
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:18.840
<v Speaker 1>these these variables that informed their entire doctrintal perspective. He

758
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:23.599
<v Speaker 1>wrote extensively on Columbine, and Columbine was was very strange

759
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and very very mis understood and very much propagandised. And

760
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.639
<v Speaker 1>yeah that uh it's it's it stands apart as a

761
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.960
<v Speaker 1>school shooting among other reasons because it was it was

762
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:41.239
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't intended to be a school shooting. Leebald and

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<v Speaker 1>Harris they they constructed uh an I ed out of

764
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<v Speaker 1>pro pane tanks and shrapnel that they'd you know, screws

765
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:56.079
<v Speaker 1>basically like pipe bomb shrapnel, but you know, like like

766
00:45:56.199 --> 00:46:01.760
<v Speaker 1>buckets of it. And the way Columbine High School was structured,

767
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 1>there were at there was a lunch how where where

768
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<v Speaker 1>like the underclassmen were like leaving the cafeteria and the

769
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<v Speaker 1>upper classmen were going to the cafeteria. So Harris, the

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<v Speaker 1>math nerd he determined that at a particular moment maximum

771
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<v Speaker 1>human density would be within this corridor leading to the cabeteria.

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<v Speaker 1>So its notion was we blow up this this ied

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<v Speaker 1>that we made, and you know, we wait outside and

774
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<v Speaker 1>take cover behind our cars, and as survivors run out,

775
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:38.800
<v Speaker 1>like we we you know, we clipped the survivors. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when it didn't go off, Harrison cleevewelld to like

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00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:46.440
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck? So uh, they realized too that some

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00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:49.920
<v Speaker 1>teacher or some staff member was like had noticed the

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00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:52.519
<v Speaker 1>bomb that was like poking around at it. So then

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00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.480
<v Speaker 1>they're just like, okay, just like go, We're just like

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00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.079
<v Speaker 1>shoot as many kids as we can, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>it but it's also too you know, Cleebold Pleebole's mom

783
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:05.960
<v Speaker 1>is just like like really creepy cunt was like decided

784
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.719
<v Speaker 1>to like make a career out of like a clout

785
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:11.599
<v Speaker 1>career out of the fact that she's killing Cleebold's mom,

786
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:12.840
<v Speaker 1>like really sick stuff.

787
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:16.599
<v Speaker 2>But she's also she's also obviously the brains of this.

788
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 2>She's also a member of the tribe, of course. But

789
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going that's where I'm going with this, so I apologize.

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00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Cleebold was obviously the mastermind of this. He obviously was

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00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:32.280
<v Speaker 2>the the motivating factor, Like Harris was kind of a

792
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.840
<v Speaker 2>limited guy. His dad was an Air Force major. You know,

793
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.239
<v Speaker 2>his mom like worked for a catering company. But it's

794
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<v Speaker 2>like this evil, single pathic goye issheric Harris, you know

795
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.800
<v Speaker 2>he he he led this sensitive boy astray. It's like,

796
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:48.199
<v Speaker 2>get the fuck out of here. But plus you Columbine,

797
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:54.079
<v Speaker 2>the Colorado, that little tin community has something wrong with it,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I do only know Michael moore away, like you know,

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00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:58.719
<v Speaker 2>military's and men. I mean there's something wrong there, and

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<v Speaker 2>like no one's actually from there. And there was this

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00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:06.519
<v Speaker 2>weird uh, there was this like weird corny megachurch that

802
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:10.199
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of the victims went to. You know, uh,

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00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:13.440
<v Speaker 2>there's something there. There was like a lack of fellow

804
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.000
<v Speaker 2>feeling there that was almost kind of caricaturist. You know,

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00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.159
<v Speaker 2>it's like the kind of the sociological factors. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>something that the Soviets would have drawn to be like

807
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.639
<v Speaker 2>see this is like, you know, America is just a

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<v Speaker 2>shopping mall where nobody cares about their fellow man, and

809
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:29.559
<v Speaker 2>all they care about is you know, status and keeping

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00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 2>up with the Joneses. That really is like a little

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00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:34.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, uh, and that that has something to do

812
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:39.119
<v Speaker 2>with it, you know. Uh, Like the North Shore has

813
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:40.119
<v Speaker 2>real pathologies.

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00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Like I told you growing up my when I was

815
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<v Speaker 1>a little kid, like my my schoolmate and my buddy

816
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:49.159
<v Speaker 1>his dad murdered his mom and we knew it. It

817
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.320
<v Speaker 1>was obvious. We talk about it openly, and like the

818
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:54.239
<v Speaker 1>police didn't just like let him get away with it.

819
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Like awful stuff like that happens here. But you'd never

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00:48:57.320 --> 00:48:59.760
<v Speaker 1>see a school shooting on the North Shore. It wouldn't

821
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.800
<v Speaker 1>happen because the dynamics aren't there for it. Like people

822
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:06.199
<v Speaker 1>are too interconnected, you know, something that am I gonna

823
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<v Speaker 1>only happen in a place that like no one has

824
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<v Speaker 1>actually a place where like no one's actually from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you needed xascinated community.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah yeah, Rob Palmer a great chicken is MP. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh, it's important, man. And Plus I just I

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<v Speaker 1>like Mauslims and like a lot of you know, they're

829
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<v Speaker 1>they're my friends, you know, and I break bread with them,

830
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:30.639
<v Speaker 1>you know. And the political isn't personal, I mean, Unfore,

831
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<v Speaker 1>the transity of war and peace is you may be

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<v Speaker 1>forced to kill people who you like, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>which is which sucks not to be flipping about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But this idea, I can tell all these people who

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<v Speaker 1>rail against Islam, they they don't know anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they haven't been around these people. Or it's like

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're in the UK and there's some like half

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<v Speaker 1>retarded Pakistani ripo who's like never set foot in a

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<v Speaker 1>mosque who ended up there like incident to the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of on going like ethnic cleansing program under auspices of refugeeism.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're like, yeah, that's is what I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'd like me saying like it's the Catholic Church

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<v Speaker 1>that sent these Venezuelans here that were like fucking everything up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like it's it's like that level of ignorance.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, like I said, I there's there's some

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<v Speaker 1>races I like a lot more than others. Okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's a lot, there's a lot to admire in Islam.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, like I said, I uh, I, I

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<v Speaker 1>am very much a man of the West. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I the West went down at Stalingrad in in historical terms.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, if you're if you're a heritage American,

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<v Speaker 1>you especially if you are reformed, then you have Southern

853
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<v Speaker 1>cultural roots you're in kind of an odd position historically,

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<v Speaker 1>but I, as much as one can be, I am

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<v Speaker 1>very much a man of the West. But again, I

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a minority on the ground where I'm at, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm something of an ore analyst, and I find other

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<v Speaker 1>races interesting and also essential understanding. You know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>take race seriously, you know, you you know, you develop

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<v Speaker 1>a respect for it as a criteria and as a

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<v Speaker 1>human characteristic. You know, if you're gonna, like, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna like flippantly disrespect people categorically, that's that's not a mainly

863
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<v Speaker 1>thing to do. It's it's kind of like bitchy and faggy.

864
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<v Speaker 1>But it's also it means you don't I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it means you don't actually respect race as is a quantity,

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<v Speaker 1>because you wouldn't be trivial about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I think when you're when you're the victim

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<v Speaker 2>of a social engineering regime, it's very easy for you

869
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<v Speaker 2>to start studying race and then only want to concentrate

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<v Speaker 2>on the differences.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that too, that too, Yeah, and it yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>but also I you know, eventually maybe this will be

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<v Speaker 1>the third book. You know, when I say I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ethically you know, a socialist, you know. I That's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons I got interested in Islam, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because there are Orientalist aspects of Asmal socialism. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>people like John von Leers came from. You know, Carl

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<v Speaker 1>Wolf's daughter ended up being this big Islamic scholar. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not an accident either, you know. And if you're I

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<v Speaker 1>realized Julius Evil himself, I've always been more parts of

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<v Speaker 1>an agy owned, but Julius Evil had a huge impact

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<v Speaker 1>on my thinking more than almost any other political writer

883
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<v Speaker 1>except maybe a Heideger Hegel and Francis Percatyockey. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your Schopenhauer was a huge Orientalist. But my point being,

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<v Speaker 1>if you understand a little socialism and the perennial doctrines

886
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<v Speaker 1>that underlie it and not you know, and and you

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<v Speaker 1>understand the historically contingent aspects of the n Step and

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<v Speaker 1>the journal Reich, but you know that said there there

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<v Speaker 1>weren't our perennial aspects that are timeless. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>no real national socialists just has some categorical disdain for

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<v Speaker 1>the orient quite the contrary, you know, like nor does

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<v Speaker 1>he divide the world and like, oh, there's the white

893
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<v Speaker 1>people and the non white people. No, that's not anything

894
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<v Speaker 1>to shake out obviously, But people don't really understand national socialism.

895
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<v Speaker 1>They they think it's a meme or they think it's

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<v Speaker 1>uh where they think it's like Johnny Rebel stuff but

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<v Speaker 1>with with you know, and I sent his cruise or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't mean to be abrupt, but I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta speaking of the anaalop Hill guys. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>record with our friends Taylor and Kurt randalup Hill Ribody

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<v Speaker 1>about an hour, and I need to give myself some

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<v Speaker 1>time to like chill and decmpress and kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>get my thoughts together. But I'm gonna try and upload

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<v Speaker 1>d like a couple hours after we recorded. So I

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<v Speaker 1>got I got dinner plans to a couple of friends

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<v Speaker 1>of ours just at the Landmark after that.

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<v Speaker 3>So but again it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I got a lot going out of the I

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<v Speaker 1>don't seem sort of like I don't really do ship,

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<v Speaker 1>but I actually like do a lot of ship, man like,

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<v Speaker 1>at least for me, I'm lucky. Man. Look, I can,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, make my own schedule and reason, but I

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure, uh, I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that my thoughts are together for this uh this

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<v Speaker 1>pot episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you man.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll hit you up by text later today or I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we we always keep up in the chat, but

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<v Speaker 1>i'll hit you guys up later today or tomorrow. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>recording a Burden tomorrow morning. But after that I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be basically available. But yeah, and thank you subs. I

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<v Speaker 1>really appreciate the fit that you've made this weekly stream pop.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I'll i'll throw this up on h on

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<v Speaker 1>the on the sub stick when it finishes processing and

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<v Speaker 1>all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right to good people, and thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Pete, thank you, Somas.

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<v Speaker 3>Take care. Yeah, man,
