WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:05.799 Meaning a light man like this man letting butterfly flapping 2 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:06.280 his wing. 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:08.279 They've down in a forest, man and gonna cause the 4 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:10.880 tree fall, letting five thousand miles away. 5 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:18.440 Man, nobody see, Nobody else might see. You don't need 6 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:22.039 no man like you followed another story and. 7 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:23.640 You got back to flect that. 8 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:26.199 That's the way man got blackly dag on the panel. 9 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:26.519 Man. 10 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:37.479 Now you don't better man, I know anyway, Hey guys, 11 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:41.240 So this episode is a compilation of two conversations I 12 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:44.159 had Mike Ferris at the Coffee and a Mic podcast, 13 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:49.280 first one about Abu two months ago, another one more 14 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:54.119 recently on issues of generational divide sort of what is 15 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:57.719 affecting generations see and then also the war in Iran. 16 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:01.840 So the audio is a little scuffed on these. It 17 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:05.719 has to do with the interplay between my system and 18 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:11.239 then the unique way that Mike records these sort of 19 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.599 try to remaster it, get it as good as I 20 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:16.239 possibly could. But if you're wondering why I sound worse 21 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:19.159 than I do right now through my system, that's why. 22 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:21.959 But either way, I thought i'd put that out, So 23 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.599 be sure to check out Mike's work Coffee and Mike 24 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:27.680 Podcast very good, high quality stuff. He has a lot 25 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:29.640 of interesting guests to put out a lot of content, 26 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:33.040 so highly recommend checking out. His podcast will be linked 27 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:36.040 in the description. And yeah, these are two interviews I 28 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.959 thought went particularly well. So without further ado, let's get 29 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:39.359 into it. 30 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.000 Jay, we met last week and I was on your show, 31 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:52.400 and now you're on my show. I have to tell you, 32 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:54.200 it feels good to be back on this side of 33 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:55.920 the mic rather than being a guest. 34 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:00.760 Yeah, it's hard. I mean I remember I host an 35 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:06.200 interview show as well, obviously, and my first couple, first 36 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:10.159 couple is probably generous. Outside appearances were rough. It is 37 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.439 a very different skill set. And you know, if you've 38 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:15.479 only run reps on one side of the mic, all 39 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:18.520 of a sudden, when you're on the other, it's a 40 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:20.919 much different game. You handled yourself well. 41 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:24.680 You're lying, Say you're lying. I was awful, don't You 42 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:26.800 don't have to sugarcoat it. Go ahead, sorry to me 43 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:27.360 to cut you off. 44 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.240 But one of the really funny things is, and I've 45 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:33.000 seen this with other interviewers. I think of my my 46 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:37.919 buddy Benjamin Boye in particular, is that your slippery guests, 47 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:41.840 we interviewers will kind of judo throw you, you know, 48 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:44.439 and so that it becomes like, well, who's interviewing who? Right, 49 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:47.759 who's talking more, which again is sort of inside baseball 50 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:50.039 stuff for listeners, but it is funny once you notice it. 51 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:51.960 You can pick it up that the guys who are 52 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:54.960 used to leading the interview tend to default to that 53 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:57.599 in their outside appearances. Who knows I'm gonna end up 54 00:02:57.599 --> 00:02:58.800 doing that right now that I've said. 55 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:03.120 This episode is brought to you by Vaulted, launched by 56 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:07.800 macilvanny Financial Group, the simplest and most affordable way to 57 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:12.360 own physical gold and silver. Physical gold is the only 58 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:16.039 asset outside of the control of the government and banking system. 59 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:20.639 They can print dollars, but they can't print gold. Click 60 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:22.759 on the promo link in the show notes or go 61 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:29.319 to Vaulted dot blb, vux dot net, Forward slash coffee 62 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:34.360 and a mic. Well, it's funny because I'll tell you 63 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:36.879 the story. I had a friend of mine who lived 64 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:39.560 in Phoenix and he's now moved to Austin, but he 65 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.319 had been on Joe Rogan a few times and I 66 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:43.879 used to have like all this I felt, and maybe 67 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:46.120 I don't know if you felt this way, but when 68 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:48.599 you started it like this internal pressure of like having 69 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:52.240 these notes and doing all this research. And I was 70 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.759 in La. It was a sixth or seventh episode I 71 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:57.000 had done. And my childhood hero is a guy by 72 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.719 the name of Freddie Roach. I love boxing, so when 73 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.280 I was a kid, we knew Freddy. Freddie was friends 74 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:05.159 with our family. My uncle lived in Vegas, so I 75 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:06.960 watched him throughout his whole career, and he eventually be 76 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:08.319 if you don't know who he is or people that 77 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:10.439 are listening don't know who he is. He became a trainer, 78 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.840 eventually trained Mickey Rourke who was an actor, still an actor, 79 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.519 Mike Tyson, Manny Paciao had his own show on HBO 80 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:21.639 about his life because he has Parkinson's And so anyway, 81 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:25.839 I was prepping for that. I was in La, went 82 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:27.920 down to the Wildcard Boxing Gym, which is the Hollywood 83 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:30.000 and Vines, a famous boxing gym, one of the most 84 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.360 famous in the world. And the whole day before I 85 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.319 was so nervous all these notes, all this is and 86 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:38.839 I felt all this pressure. And after that my friend 87 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.040 who had been on Rogan, I said, does he have 88 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:43.399 like a bunch of notes or anything, And He's like, no, 89 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.600 I didn't see anything, just pad of paper and had 90 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:48.639 some stuff written down. And if he got to everything, great, 91 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:52.079 and if he didn't get to everything, that was okay too. 92 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:55.199 And it changed my whole perspective on how I was 93 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:59.120 going to handle this. And I received a compliment on 94 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:01.319 I think it was Apple where they said, I feel 95 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:03.600 like I'm listening sitting in a coffeehouse listening to two 96 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:07.399 people next to me chatting, and I was like, that's 97 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:09.720 what I wanted, Like, that's so I do that habit 98 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:12.160 when I'm a guest because it's just I don't know, 99 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:15.160 it's just natural, just like to just chat. And so 100 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:16.920 one thing, one more thing I was gonna add, I'm 101 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:18.439 talking more on my show than I am than I 102 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:19.879 went up when I was a guest on your show, 103 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:24.639 but also as I as I assessed myself as a guest, 104 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:27.240 and I'm happy to do that when people. I'm honored 105 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:29.720 that people think to me to come on. But I'm 106 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:32.360 not a I'm not a well versed research guy. I'm 107 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.759 not a I'm not someone who specializes like in you 108 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:39.920 know history or student of history, or an economist or 109 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:43.319 you know, a geopolitical analyst or military veteran, or on 110 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.279 and on and on. I'm just somebody who's curious, Like 111 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:48.240 I could never go toe to toe with you. I 112 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:50.720 could never go toe to toe with Will Tanner. I 113 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:53.240 mean I learned from watching your show, and I learned 114 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:56.800 from speaking to you guys as a host of things. 115 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:01.439 I'm just curious about. Yeah, I appreciate the compliment, man, 116 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:04.240 I mean, honest, this is a very similar and who 117 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:06.160 knows when it happened in my career. I remember the moment. 118 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:10.399 I remember where I was, not necessarily the episode, but actually, 119 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:13.120 you know, I think I think it was Matt Williamson, 120 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.519 the Prudentialist, and he told me this. I'd sent him 121 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:20.360 an outline for the show and he basically told me 122 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:24.160 it was like, dude, it'll be fine, you don't need that. 123 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:26.360 And so it was the first one I did with 124 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:30.920 no had an idea of what I wanted to talk about, 125 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:35.720 but no notes, no bullet points, and it was a 126 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.319 marked improvement. And it's funny you bring up that idea 127 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:42.000 of in two guys talking in a coffee shop, because, 128 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:44.759 as I'm sure you're aware, you know, when you're talking 129 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.600 to someone, especially someone who hasn't done a lot of interviews. 130 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:49.800 You sort of give him a little brief upfront, right, 131 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:51.720 all right, you know, here's what we're doing. You know, 132 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:53.199 I'm not going to do this. This is what we're 133 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:55.160 going to do. You know, if you need anything done, 134 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:58.160 just let me know. But they're kind of accommodating someone. 135 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:01.519 And the line I always use is the illusion I'm 136 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:03.199 trying to sell is that you and I are just 137 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:05.959 sitting down a bar together just talking, and you an 138 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:07.759 audience is kind of listening in. It's the same thing. 139 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:13.519 It's conversational. And look, neither you nor I is on 140 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.879 the cutting edge of podcasting. You know, we came to 141 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:19.000 it when it was still established. But I think a 142 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:23.160 large part of the success of the medium is, well, 143 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:24.879 there's a couple of things, which is one, you know, 144 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:27.120 people have commutes, they have a lot of time, and 145 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.639 you know, it's a good way to imbibe information without 146 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.079 you know, trying to read a book at seventy miles 147 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:34.199 an hour. But also, I think a big part of 148 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:37.160 it is that because you can put out, you know, 149 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:40.600 really as much as you want and you're not beholden 150 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.079 to I guess you could say, like the overhead of 151 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:46.399 a TV network if you can give a conversation time 152 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:50.199 to breathe, you can just have two people talking batting 153 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:53.240 an idea back and forth for three hours if you want. Okay, 154 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:55.879 fair enough, maybe every idea isn't a three hour idea. 155 00:07:56.240 --> 00:08:00.560 You compare and contrast that even to talk radio, where 156 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:03.120 you know, they're assuming that every person is tuning in 157 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:05.319 thirty seconds ago, so you have to state exactly what 158 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.839 you're talking about every segment, you know, three minutes than 159 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:10.279 an ad break over and over and over again. And 160 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:14.279 look like I certainly have you know, good memories of 161 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.079 you know, bumping around country roads with my grandpa and 162 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:21.040 you know, listening to Rush Lutenbaugh. But fundamentally it's a 163 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:24.879 different thing. It fulfills a different niche. And I think 164 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:29.079 really the explosion of podcasting is that it offers something additional, right, 165 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:33.159 It offers that space for dialogue and dialectic And one 166 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.559 of the things that I've found really interesting, one of 167 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:38.080 the reasons I found myself on the kind of nominal 168 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:42.000 right is that the combination of that medium and that 169 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:46.879 general political kind of circle. And I mean that in 170 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:50.360 the widest possible sense, is that it's really, in my mind, 171 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:53.440 the only place that an actual dialogue and actual conversation 172 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:56.039 is happening. When you came on my show, you talked 173 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:58.639 about how your work kind of had his genesis in COVID, 174 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:02.120 and you saw that theory very clearly that there was 175 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:07.799 a large percentage of culture by extension media that was 176 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:11.600 locked down couldn't talk at all about this one thing. 177 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:16.120 But you know, an alternative media for whatever alternative media means, 178 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:19.919 much of it was on podcasts. Well, you could have 179 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:24.720 that conversation because it sort of getting you know, Spotify 180 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:27.080 or Apple to kick you off, which takes some doing. 181 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:29.240 You know, there are some guys I know on there 182 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.759 where it's like, I'm not saying you should be kicked off, 183 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:36.360 but if you were, you you know, we're probably asking 184 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:40.759 for it. Right, Like, the latitude is definitely there. It 185 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:44.639 enabled this this interesting development of like a real conversation 186 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:48.519 and real dialogue. Also, I mean, on the the the 187 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:52.799 more kind of metapolitical level. You know, I'm a huge 188 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.200 fan of the term woke because it's been so bastardized 189 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:58.720 to the point where it means everything and nothing. But 190 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:04.200 when you look at the kind of hyper aggressive political 191 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:07.840 religion that takes up a large part of left wing politics, 192 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:09.600 and there is certainly one on the right as well, 193 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:13.279 but it's very hard to dissent from that. You know, 194 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:19.120 you can disagree on, you know, certain aspects of economic policy, 195 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:22.799 but there are certain things you cannot They're kind of sacred, 196 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:27.320 they're kind of holy precepts, and that freezes the conversation. 197 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:30.399 Like you see that when you read these people's work, 198 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:35.080 as I do, they're citing thinkers from the sixties, citing 199 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:38.440 thinkers from the seventies, the nineties at the latest. It's 200 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:40.600 the same canon. It's the same stuff, and it has 201 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:43.279 been even on the far fringes of the radical left. 202 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:46.480 I mean, look longer than I've been alive, longer than 203 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:49.399 my parents have been alive. It's a frozen conversation with 204 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:53.000 very hard barriers on it. And you see that in 205 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:55.480 you know, kind of modern media, right. I know, you're 206 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:57.600 a big movie guy. One of the I think one 207 00:10:57.639 --> 00:10:59.919 of the main reasons why a lot of modern film 208 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:04.600 feels so hollow is they're sort of jousting at windmills. 209 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:08.440 You know, they're repeating a cultural critique that may have 210 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:11.679 been you know, really insightful, that may have been very subversive, 211 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:15.120 and in the Reagan administration. But now it's like a right, 212 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:17.639 come on, we've seen this before. There's been no development, 213 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:20.159 there's been nothing interesting. And not to say all modern 214 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.879 films are fad. There's certainly, you know, quite good films 215 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.320 have come out recently, but nonetheless, you see that kind 216 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:30.399 of conversational stagnation as it applies to art as well, 217 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.320 that you're running over the same tropes over and over 218 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:36.279 and over again. And you know, someone could pick up 219 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:38.799 their copy of Joseph Campbell and say, oh, well, you know, 220 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:42.639 all fiction is ultimately the same story told a thousand times, 221 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.679 the hero with a thousand faces, And okay, fair enough 222 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:50.639 it might be. But that's a very baseline you could 223 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:54.120 say archaic if it wasn't so negative. Human narrative, right, 224 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:57.080 it's something that people inherently relate to, whereas if it's 225 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:00.399 if it's a more political narrative, it's like, well, that 226 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:02.600 was a narrative for a time and a place, and 227 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:06.000 when that time and place changes. I mean, look, man, 228 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:07.679 like if I came on your show and I was, 229 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:10.799 you know, raging about you know, Cromwell in the English 230 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:13.399 Civil War, like at best, you'd think that was sort 231 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:17.120 of eccentric like whatever, who cares right because and look 232 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:18.840 like I know there's gonna be someone in the comments 233 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:20.840 who's like, well I care quite a bit. Yes, you 234 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:24.159 sure you do. But the point is that's not an 235 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.480 active sort of political disagreement in And that doesn't mean that, 236 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:30.120 you know, whether on the left or kind of the 237 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:34.639 neocon right, there's politics happening and power happening, but from 238 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:37.080 the perspective of you know, people like you and I 239 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:40.440 who work in the space of discourse, like what else 240 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:43.399 is there to be set And on the right, like 241 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.440 particularly as we see with media analysis, you see the 242 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:50.840 exact same but instead of being stuck in nineteen sixty four, 243 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:53.960 they're stuck in twenty sixteen. You know that there's an 244 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:56.799 immense amount of money to be made by you know, 245 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:00.039 talking about how XYZ thing is woke and bad and 246 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.279 we hate it. It was like, yeah, sure, right, it 247 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.639 probably sucks. But like at a certain point, man, like 248 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:09.000 if you're running the same experiment over and over again 249 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:12.159 getting the same result, like, hey, but maybe it's on 250 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:14.919 you like, stop watching it if it's really at that 251 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:17.960 And again you see that same kind of stuck culture, 252 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:23.519 not necessarily stuck in the same culture, but how much 253 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:25.960 is there to be set on that front? It runs 254 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:29.559 out and I think that, you know, it's part of 255 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:31.200 the other reason why people were run to this shows 256 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.720 and others. It's like, Okay, well there's a conversation to 257 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:36.240 be had, there's something that's developing. You know, you can 258 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:38.759 look back, you know, for cultural analysis at your own 259 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:42.000 culture rather than you know, or you do on kind 260 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:45.720 of more specific issues. And I think that's really why 261 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:48.120 that space in general is I don't know if I 262 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:52.399 would say exploding yet, although it's certainly massively risen in prominence, 263 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:57.080 but I think it stands to because again it's and 264 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.159 this is both a blessing and a curse, really the 265 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:02.840 only place that a conversation is actively happening. 266 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:07.240 You know. I think it's appropriate for this conversation for 267 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:11.320 people to understand who Jack Burden is and you know, 268 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.919 the origin. Why did you start the show? What were 269 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:14.519 you doing before? 270 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:20.720 Yeah, so I've started this podcast in college actually a 271 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:24.120 long time ago. It's now been shuttered, But there was 272 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:26.480 a discord server you looked pretty young. 273 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:28.200 Let me interrupt you. Let me interrupt you. J Yeah, 274 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:30.279 you look pretty young. How old are you? 275 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:34.799 I am twenty six. Okay, so yeah, not that ya, 276 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:38.519 but there was this sort of you know, online message 277 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:42.159 board where you could, you know, meet like minded guys. 278 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:44.399 It was not political, but it was basically like, Hey, 279 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:46.879 you know, I'm in Toledo. Does anyone else want to 280 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:51.519 hang it? Right? And I was at the time driving 281 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:55.279 back and forth between two different cities like three hours apart. 282 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:58.720 Not to get too much into it, but because of 283 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:00.279 COVID and other things, that had kind of into a 284 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.600 snap foo with my education and so I was stuck 285 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:05.720 needed a couple of credits to graduate. So I was 286 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:08.919 still in school but not very much while also trying 287 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:11.039 to hold down a job. So my education was here, 288 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.799 job was somewhere else, traveling back and forth during the week, 289 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:18.200 and so I basically I literally got onto Google Maps, 290 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:21.200 like used my phone, drew out the kind of line 291 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:24.120 on the route. He's like, hey, I drive this twice 292 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:27.240 a week. If anyone's along this line, you know, let's 293 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:30.039 meet up for dinner or something, because that's what I'd do. 294 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:34.159 I'd get hungry halfway through and pull off. And one 295 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:38.440 of my buddies, who's still somewhat active rights under the 296 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:43.480 name Paul Fahrenheit he was in college somewhere along that route, 297 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:47.120 and he, you know, replied to the messages like, yeah, hey, 298 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:51.279 here's where I am. Let's grab dinner. So this guy, 299 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.919 I don't know him from Adam, Yeah, got to a bar, 300 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.320 have a burger and we got into like a four 301 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:02.080 hour argument slash discussion, just going all over the place. 302 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:05.519 And I had been a long term lurker. I'd been 303 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:09.399 reading a ton, you know, listening to a ton. It 304 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:13.960 kind of you know, watching the conversation, and this is 305 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:15.919 my memory of it. It's been a couple of years now. 306 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:18.399 Uh So you know, if he tells a different story, 307 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:20.679 I don't blame him for it. But he basically was like, hey, man, 308 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:23.320 like you've you've got something to say, Like have you 309 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:26.480 ever thought about doing anything or making anything? It's like, oh, shoot, 310 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:31.200 I'm honestly not really. And you know, from that conversation 311 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:32.960 I kind of took, you know, a month off where 312 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:34.320 I was basically like, what do I want to do? 313 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:38.480 Like I've you know, I've I've written more now, you know, 314 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:40.519 in a couple of magazines. I have a sub stack, 315 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:44.279 but it's not like my primary form of expression. But 316 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:46.399 I you know, I think I'm pretty good at talking 317 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:48.120 to people, says, you know what I should do, I 318 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:50.519 should have an interview show. So my first EVERTS episode 319 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:55.000 zero is uh Me and this guy Paul Fahrenheit, recorded 320 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:59.399 in my mom's attic because I didn't have anywhere else 321 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:02.919 to do it, and it was a fun conversation. And 322 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:05.319 from there it was just sort of that process of like, oh, like, 323 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:07.680 you know, I want to talk to that guy, send 324 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:10.680 him an email, and it sort of kept up in 325 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:13.000 that mode. It's kind of a secondary thing that I did, 326 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:14.839 you know, just as a as a hobby. You know, 327 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:18.319 I had corporate jobs. I worked in a factory, you know, 328 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:21.680 and basically it started to kind of get some traction 329 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:25.359 and grow, and you know, I've been been working in 330 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:28.480 another company. We had to you know, part ways, and 331 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.480 so I'm sort of stuck at this crossroads where it's like, Okay, 332 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.799 I have this thing, it's doing really well, and I 333 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:36.240 could go back get. 334 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:37.240 A normal job. 335 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:39.880 And I was like, you know what, I I think 336 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:41.960 there's something to this. I think I can make a 337 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:43.880 run of it. And so I just decided, like you 338 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:47.839 know what, damn the torpedoes full speed ahead, like let's 339 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.920 jump in, and so far I've been you know, full 340 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:55.079 timer for I have this timer set up on my 341 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:58.240 desk to remind me two hundred and forty five days 342 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:01.640 or you know, rough six thousand hours if you care 343 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:05.160 for that much detail. And yeah, so it's it's my 344 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.240 full time job. It's what I do. And so that's 345 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:10.400 kind of the general origin story as far as you know, 346 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:13.920 becoming what I consider like a political dissident or you know, 347 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.359 someone who's not on the reservation. I really had no 348 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:20.400 chance at being normal. I was lucky enough to come 349 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:21.119 up through. 350 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:28.799 There's no chance of being normal the way you said that, 351 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:31.160 the probability I'd be normal was zero. 352 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:36.839 Yeah, and so I was very very lucky, you know, 353 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:40.599 living in a more rural area, public schools weren't so great, 354 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:44.799 and so my parents sent me to a classical Christian school. 355 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:47.720 You know, it was very much kind of based in 356 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:51.200 the Western tradition, and I was lucky enough to have 357 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:56.079 several male teachers there who were you kind of ran 358 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:59.440 the gamut from. And this is pretty common in homeschooling 359 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:03.279 and at schools. They're kind of they don't tend to 360 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:06.279 be on you know, the reservation, so to speak. You 361 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.720 are already selecting for people who have an alternative view 362 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.519 on education that tends to correlate to you know, other 363 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:16.440 alternative views. And I you know, the very good memory 364 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:19.440 of my friend George Bagbee, who is a teacher there, 365 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:23.359 and you know, he writes, he has his own you know, 366 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:26.400 he republishes books, and he's on my show, you know, 367 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:31.759 probably every six weeks or so, very very talented historical mind. 368 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:35.960 And he was one of my teachers there, and we 369 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:39.559 developed a friendship even after I graduated. He was you know, 370 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.880 even as a young teenager, you know, giving me resources, 371 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:47.319 giving me books that were well beyond my ability to comprehend, 372 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.240 but were things that were you know, showing me an 373 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:53.079 alternative view, showing me, you know, they're like, look like 374 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.759 there's more to human thought, there's more to politics. There's 375 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:59.599 more history than just you know what. You can find 376 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.400 it a Larn's Noble bookstand. And you know, he introduced 377 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:07.920 me to you know, figures like Mensis Moldbug before he 378 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.319 ever came out as Curtis Darbin. I was reading you know, 379 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:15.519 Mensus Muldbug at fourteen, which is you know again I 380 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:18.559 didn't have a chance. And when you combine that kind 381 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:20.839 of you know a certain natural you know, dissonance with 382 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:27.920 I'll be honest, a personality which is highly disagreeable. I 383 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.559 do not like being told what to do. When I 384 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.359 went to school, and I you know, started at you know, 385 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:38.319 college right after the first Trump presidency and sort of 386 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:42.519 came into all of the excesses of woke campus politics. 387 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:46.039 For instance, you know, just a few anecdotes on this, 388 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:51.440 we had a troop of radical vegans who would like 389 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:54.279 use hammers to smash out the windows of the dining hall. 390 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:59.000 I was like, I hate you people, but more seriously, 391 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:02.839 you know, I had sort of hellish orientation. It was 392 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:06.599 eight days you know, before we started school, and it's 393 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:09.079 burned into my memory. They it was a small liberal 394 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:11.200 at school. They broke people down into you know, all 395 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:13.759 the men and all the women, and you know, all 396 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:17.200 all the guys or whatever. Three hundred of us got 397 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:23.039 put in this room with this very stereotypical left wing 398 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:28.119 political activist. She was a She's a burly woman, blue hair, 399 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:31.640 you know, straight across problem bangs, and you know, like 400 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:33.920 out of something out of a comedy sketch. She you 401 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:36.400 know said, you know, one in three women on college 402 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:39.559 campus will be sexually assaulted. Look to your left, look 403 00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:41.319 to your right. One of those men is a rapist. 404 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:45.319 And you're like, well, okay, man, I'm eighteen, I got 405 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:48.759 here forty five minutes ago. This seems a little unfair. 406 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:51.720 And so when you combine that kind of you know, 407 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:56.079 initial training in non traditional thought, you're dumped into this 408 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.319 environment where you're seeing the kind of worst excesses of 409 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.400 again in scare quotes, kind of woke politics. It's like, well, 410 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:07.880 this is awful, Like what's the alternative? Because I cannot 411 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:10.000 be a part of that, Like they won't and they 412 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.960 won't accept me in two Like I don't want to 413 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:17.160 live in this sort of like constant be like the 414 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:21.880 constant cringing shame for what I am. And you know, 415 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:23.559 like a lot of people I you know, sort of 416 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:26.359 went through you know, what would be referred to as 417 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:29.599 kind of like the IDW and the libertarian sphere, and 418 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:31.039 in all of those places, I was like, well, it 419 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:34.599 feels like this is a halfway. This isn't a true resistance. 420 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:37.359 It's sort of a to be honest, kind of a 421 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:40.160 cope in between. And that's where I you know, kind 422 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:42.559 of came back to my roots and the more what 423 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:44.400 you know, sort of drives the report to is the 424 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:47.839 dissident right or that kind of synthesis of you know, 425 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:54.279 paleo conservatism, you know NRX stuff political realism, And to 426 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:57.240 me it comes down to very much that like, well, 427 00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:00.480 I if we accept that there is some thing wrong, 428 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:04.200 if something is not going well, you know, whatever it is. 429 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:08.400 You know whyever that's the case, It's like, well, you 430 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:12.119 don't want to all yourself to that, you know, that 431 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:14.400 kind of force of entropy. And it's so how I 432 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.319 ended up in the weird political circles I find myself. 433 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:21.000 And then that story almost immediately dovetails with you know, 434 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:24.039 as I said earlier, I actually started a podcast, and 435 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:28.720 look like I very much consider myself to be like 436 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:33.839 a second or third tier figure in the sense that 437 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.720 like you have these people who are kind of first 438 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:41.200 order thinkers who are writing and producing new works, and 439 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:43.799 you know, then you have people who are great synthesizers 440 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:47.240 and analysts, and then you have popularizers, someone who can 441 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:49.319 take someone who's written a book and say, all right, 442 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:52.599 like explain that in a way that a normal guy 443 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:55.359 can understand. And so that's the role I sort of 444 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:58.039 see myself in, not to be too grandiose, but that's 445 00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:00.079 sort of how I view it. 446 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:07.039 So when you started this and congratulations, now two hundred 447 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:08.119 and sixty five days. 448 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:14.759 Uh two six not joking. I actually have a a 449 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:16.240 timer on my computer. 450 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:17.079 Uh. 451 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:18.880 And the reason I have it up is just to 452 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:21.640 when I'm being a whiny baby about things, I have 453 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:23.559 to look at it and be like, Okay, we haven't 454 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:25.200 had a boss for this long, so shut up. 455 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:28.640 It's taken alcoholics. Anonymous man, you're gonna have your your 456 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:32.759 gold coin. Yeah, but I've got my five year, five 457 00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:34.400 year cord from Corporate America. 458 00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:38.880 I've been cleaning for this. But but you know, you 459 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.400 walk me past an office max or something, and my 460 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:43.640 palms get sweaty. I started to get the old itch again. 461 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:47.480 He reminded me of something really funny. 462 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.960 I was. I was visiting a friend in Virginia rest 463 00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:53.119 in Virginia last summer, and we were walking through this 464 00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:56.480 outdoor shopping like, you know, those fancy outdoor shopping pick 465 00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:58.039 got them all over the place, so you have the 466 00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:03.400 you know, the Lulu lemb Apple store. Nice restaurants. Anyway, 467 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:05.160 there was a company I can't remember the name of it, 468 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:07.519 but I think it was their corporate office, and they 469 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:10.359 had their training room right as you're walking by, with 470 00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:13.119 the desks and the binders. And I looked at my friend, 471 00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:15.960 I go, this is probably new orientation training. And for me, 472 00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:18.160 I just started my third year doing this. I think 473 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:22.079 it was last week full time, and I say, I 474 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:24.279 said to my friend, I said, you know, there's no 475 00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:27.000 fucking way I could ever go back to that, like 476 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:29.839 and you know, and I kudos some people that can 477 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:32.240 do it. I mean, you have to be able to 478 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:35.440 roll with it in today's world, in today's climate, when 479 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.000 you work for companies or corporations, if you're one of 480 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:39.799 those people that can put your head down and just 481 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:42.559 keep quiet, they don't want to hear about your opinion 482 00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:47.559 and you know, and follow the rules. God bless you. 483 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:50.640 I couldn't do that anymore. And I literally I was like, God, 484 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.519 you got to come in there Monday morning, your first 485 00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:56.160 day with this binder and have an HR person tell 486 00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:00.799 you blah blah blah blah, this this, this, this is awful. 487 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:03.000 Like all you're doing is looking at the clock and like, oh, 488 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:06.599 what time is lunch? Where am I going for lunch? Well, 489 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:08.960 one hundred percent, And you know, one of the other 490 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:13.839 things that I think is and this has been There's 491 00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:15.799 a great piece I can't remember who it was by 492 00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:21.720 called total Boomer luxury Communism, which is a great name, 493 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.039 but the point of it is sort of similar to 494 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:29.000 I think it's the Michael Savage, I'm confident on the 495 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:30.960 last name on in the first one article that came 496 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:37.599 out talking about the straits for young men in corporate America. 497 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:42.279 It's very, very difficult to get into those corporate jobs. 498 00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.839 And I think that that's another reason why, you know, 499 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:50.519 so many people my age are interested in, you know, 500 00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:53.000 alternative things where that's making money on the internet, you know, 501 00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:55.880 starting a small business, becoming a tradesman. Is because that 502 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.240 traditional route of you know, you go to school, you 503 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.680 get a job, you see need that way is well 504 00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:04.480 certainly possible, and I know people who are doing it 505 00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:08.359 is much much more difficult. It's not necessarily the safe 506 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:13.240 option anymore. Like for instance, I was talking this came up, 507 00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:16.400 you know, with an elder at my church, and I 508 00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:19.119 basically told him I was like, look, man like, in 509 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:21.680 my immediate social group, right, the people I see on 510 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:26.079 a weekly basis, uh, I know two with benefits out 511 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:28.880 of a group of you know fifteen people and they 512 00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:31.920 have jobs or productive members of society. They're not sitting 513 00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:36.480 on you know, mom's couch. But you know, that track 514 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:40.240 is much much more difficult than you know, whatever used 515 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.559 to be. And we can go into why it's maybe 516 00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:46.440 a different discussion, but you know, I think that you 517 00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:49.599 know that that kind of corporate job, like, if you're 518 00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:54.079 in it, dude, keep going. I understand it, like you 519 00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:56.960 got to support your family somehow. But I think for 520 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:00.599 you know a lot of guys, that's simply not an option. 521 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:04.039 And there's two reactions to that. One which is completely understandable. 522 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.559 It's just say like, look, I'm getting screwed, and I'm 523 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.079 going to tell you, yes you are. But there's sort 524 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.680 of a silver lining to that cloud, which is, well, 525 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.359 you both need to do something on your own, whatever 526 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:21.559 that is. And also you get to like that's kind 527 00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:24.039 of nice and surely, you know, you get screwed on taxes, 528 00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.720 you don't get benefits, like that's not ideal. But at 529 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:30.680 the same time, I think that there is a benefit 530 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:35.039 to having that track closed off to you from the beginning, 531 00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:38.039 because you know, the longer you go down that track, 532 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.519 the harder it is to jump off of it. And again, 533 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:43.799 like I've said, like, there are people for whom you know, 534 00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:46.160 their corporate job is not that kind of you know, 535 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:49.240 miserating experience that you know, I experience that I you know, 536 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:51.519 went through and many others did, in which case you know, 537 00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:54.000 this advice is not for you. But I do think 538 00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:56.599 that there is sort of a hidden blessing to that, 539 00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:03.519 both from you know, a kind of personal perspective. You know, 540 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:07.559 when you are supporting yourself fully, there's no system. You 541 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.359 are in a way kind of engaging in what Kazinski 542 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:12.359 would call like the power process, in the sense that 543 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:16.039 your decisions actually matter to you. It's not kind of 544 00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:20.119 diffused through a network. It's like, well, you know, if 545 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:23.880 you decide to never do another podcast again, you'll run 546 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:26.079 out of money, you won't be able to have a house, 547 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:28.119 who won't be able to eat, and like, yeah, sure, 548 00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:29.960 the same thing kind of happens with a real job. 549 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:32.480 But like when I talk to many of my friends 550 00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.640 or what few of my friends, I should say, who 551 00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:39.160 have the kind of you know, big company job, their 552 00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:42.440 responsibility is very diffused. You know, It's very difficult to say, 553 00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:47.440 and this is by design, right, who is to blame 554 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:50.839 for with me anything. And so as long as you're 555 00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:53.599 not an astonishingly bad employee, you know, as long as 556 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.480 you don't you know, come in and you know, stand 557 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:58.000 on your boss bosses desks and you know, give them 558 00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:01.559 both fingers, you can probably pretty much coast, you know. 559 00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:05.319 And again like they're restructurings and all that, whereas that 560 00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:09.319 luxury is not afforded to most people who are out 561 00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:12.640 on their own. And again like there's an element of 562 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:16.640 responsibility to that, but as we understand what that responsibility 563 00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:20.000 comes an immense sense of fulfillment. Right, you're getting to 564 00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:21.720 affect your own life one. 565 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:26.319 Way or another. And you know, Kazinski, perhaps you know, 566 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.960 most infamous for his performance art, quite an interesting philosopher, 567 00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:34.799 and you know he talks about that in the industrial 568 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.680 society and its future that basically, you know, you have 569 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.119 people who are designed to live, you know, in a 570 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:45.559 subsistence setting where every one of your decisions is life 571 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.319 or death. And you know, he was sort of an 572 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.640 arco primitivist, so he had a different view of society 573 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.319 than I do. But fundamentally this peace of analysis stands 574 00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:56.680 and he says is that as systems get more and 575 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:02.119 more complicated. As your individual actions get further and further 576 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:06.279 from the inputs that affect your life, get really dissatisfied. 577 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:08.519 They feel as if, you know, my life is pointless, 578 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:14.119 my decisions don't have a huge impact. And again there 579 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:16.480 is both a positive and negative to that. You know, 580 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:20.720 you can succeed vastly above how you could in a 581 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.440 you know, kind of salary position, but also you don't 582 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.480 have that social safety net. And so I guess my 583 00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.920 general perspective on that is like I see you guys 584 00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:33.960 lamenting that, and I understand it like they have been 585 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.720 given a raw deal. But I think there's a certain 586 00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.359 advantage as well, which is that like with that comes 587 00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:43.599 a certain sense of like genuine freedom that you couldn't 588 00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:47.039 get otherwise. Forgive me if I'm if I'm rambling, Mike, no, 589 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.559 not at all. Uh do you do you feel in 590 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:50.599 your own situation? 591 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:54.480 In correct me here? If there's a is there a 592 00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:58.680 disconnect between people your age and say the boomers because 593 00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:01.960 and before you answer that not all boomers, before I 594 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.680 get all the hate in the in the shit, but 595 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:08.279 you know, I'm sure there are some that will come 596 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:11.000 to you and say, well, that was how life was 597 00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.960 like when I was your age, and I'm so tired 598 00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:18.079 of hearing that from people. I even have friends, you know, 599 00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:20.480 my age that have kids that are maybe a little 600 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:24.000 bit younger than you. And one is specifically with his 601 00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:26.160 daughters and he was like, tiny, said, well, get a 602 00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:28.519 corporate job, you get insurance, blah blah blah blah blah, 603 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:30.759 and she don't want to do it, and he goes, well, 604 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:32.039 I had to do it. I was like, yeah, but 605 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:35.960 the times have changed, and that's where I I try. 606 00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:37.400 I mean, I can't not your age, so I don't 607 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.519 I don't understand. I try to be as good of 608 00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:42.039 a listener as I can be to grasp, you know, 609 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:43.799 get a little bit of a grasp what it is 610 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.400 like for you to in what you're going through. But 611 00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:51.359 you know, how is there a disconnect between say, my 612 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:54.359 parents' age sixties and seventies when they try to speak 613 00:32:54.400 --> 00:33:00.119 with people like you, oh, one hundred percent. So the 614 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:00.799 problem is. 615 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:10.839 So there's a conflation often made between the boomer's relative 616 00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:14.799 wealth and the idea that they had it easy throughout 617 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:18.000 their entire life. These are not one and the same. So, 618 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:22.440 for instance, the average boomer, I believe has about sixty 619 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.119 five to seventy percent of their net worth in their home, 620 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:27.799 like they have a you know, on paper, they're worth 621 00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:29.680 a lot, but they don't necessarily have a ton of 622 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.039 cash in the bank. And if you look at you know, 623 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.920 those sort of valuations that really shot up in the 624 00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.720 last twenty years. So you have a lot of people 625 00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:41.599 who you know are doing quite well, but realistically, like 626 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.240 didn't that is a relatively new thing in their lives. 627 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.319 I think of my own grandparents who were working in class. 628 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:53.880 My grandfather was a mechanic basically, and yeah, sure, like 629 00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:56.160 if he cashed his house out, he'd have a lot 630 00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:59.960 of money, but you know, throughout his entire life was 631 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:02.319 a working class guy. He made a good job, he 632 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.119 worked hard, but by no means with your rich man. 633 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:10.840 So I get that, and so I understand the reaction 634 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.039 of like, well, that's not what I saw. But to 635 00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.800 be honest, the problem is, and this is both due 636 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:22.119 to currency debasement and many other factors, young people are 637 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.719 just really poor, man. And they're not necessarily just poor 638 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:27.760 when we come when it comes to assets, right, what 639 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:37.320 they're actually able to hold, but also compensation is relatively speaking, 640 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:43.639 very very down. You can compare this and my Peruvian 641 00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:48.079 bull on Twitter, Cordo Rios has done some great analysis 642 00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:54.559 on this, comparing effectively average compensation to gold. It just 643 00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:57.119 is kind of a broad brush of like, assuming this 644 00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:02.440 is a relatively constant value, and just on the compensation level, 645 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.159 it's been disastrous. Every subsequent generation has in real terms 646 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:10.280 earned less and at the same time assets, so whether 647 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.119 that's housing, whether that's you know, automobiles have gone up dramatically, 648 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.599 so for instance, and it's been a while, so that 649 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:19.599 the numbers are going to be slightly and exact. Here 650 00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:25.280 I did a very simple calculation where I compared average, 651 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:31.079 like the true median wage to a certain number of 652 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.679 different major purchases. Right, So for instance, I chose the 653 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:39.320 mid sixties just because it made this relatively convenient. If 654 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:42.760 you go slightly further back, it's even more pronounced. But basically, 655 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:48.760 you know, a house was about you know, approximately four 656 00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:55.360 times median wage, okay, whereas now it's about nine. So 657 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.159 that means it is significantly harder to buy a house. 658 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.880 Cars are not quite as bad, but they're pretty close. 659 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:05.039 Like you have a roughly fifteen percent of median wage 660 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.519 to buy a used car in the sixties it's now 661 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:11.920 about thirty three percent. So even those smaller financially responsible 662 00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:15.599 decisions are much much harder to make. And this is 663 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.880 setting aside what I mentioned earlier, which is getting a 664 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.960 normal job. How relatively difficult is that thanks to the 665 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.119 wonders of either the borderless labor market, it has gotten 666 00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.719 much harder. We saw this first, you know, generations ago 667 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:36.280 hit you know, manufacturing, obviously construction. It is now starting 668 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.559 to hit those good six figure laptop jobs. You know, 669 00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:43.360 programming is a great one. And so yeah, things have 670 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:48.639 dramatically changed. One of the other ones that I don't 671 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:52.840 think a lot of boomers appreciate. And I was talking 672 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.719 to my grandfather about this. He's a great guy. We 673 00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.599 have an awesome relationship, and he bucks many of the trends. 674 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.920 He supportive of what is he supportive of what you're doing? 675 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:07.920 Yes, I mean kind of. I don't And if you 676 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:11.039 listen to this, Grandpa, I'm sorry, I don't one hundred 677 00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:13.800 percent think he gets it. And not in the content, 678 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.320 just in the format. Right, it's radio versus digital. 679 00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:19.599 And my sister, my sister doesn't get it in my view, 680 00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.599 like she she doesn't understand what it like she she 681 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.039 doesn't understand our world. But but I also I don't 682 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:26.639 mean to cut you off, but I also find like 683 00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:29.800 most people in the in the in the eight to 684 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.480 five world don't grasp it. Like I had a neighbor 685 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:34.519 said to me, He's like, oh, you don't work, so 686 00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:38.159 and I'm like, and I'm not going to be like say, oh, 687 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:41.519 I work all the time. I mean, people don't understand you. 688 00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:45.119 Do I understand what you go through? I mean somewhat 689 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.039 because we work all the time. 690 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.679 Like oh yeah, well, I mean look like like I 691 00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.480 quit my job to work like sixty hours a week 692 00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:55.719 and you're like, wait a minute, that doesn't doesn't seem 693 00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:59.280 like that math doesn't add up. The psychological benefits are 694 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:04.440 more than just the work. But he can get the 695 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.480 economic stuff because he lived through it, Like he saw 696 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:11.599 normal working class jobs go away. He's seen, you know, 697 00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:13.920 the cost of these things go up. But there's a 698 00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:19.000 secondary level that is harder to track, which is the 699 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:25.239 complete and total disillusion of culture. Now there's a purely 700 00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.760 demographic element to this generation. See my generation is the 701 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:33.639 first majority minority age block, so that's created kind of 702 00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:37.960 a dissolution of culture. But also on a very fundamental level, 703 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:42.800 the relations between the sexes have just exploded, detonated. So 704 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.199 I'm married, right, So this isn't my experience, but when 705 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.320 I you know, even my friends, my family members going 706 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:53.599 through it. The war between the sexes that previous generations 707 00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:58.679 spoke about actually exists in generations. And a large part 708 00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:03.000 of this is there's a huge gap between shall we say, 709 00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:06.920 stated and revealed preference when it comes to these kind 710 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.119 of luxury beliefs, right, views about you know, how men 711 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:12.880 and women should interact. And so to pick on the 712 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:17.599 baby boomers a little bit, if you ask that entire generation, 713 00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:20.199 which is a number of people, their views on certain things, 714 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.880 they will tell you one thing. But if you actually 715 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.320 dig into how they lived their wives, they lived like 716 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.079 their parents did. Okay, maybe they got one divorce in 717 00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:31.079 the eighties, but generally that second marriage had a much 718 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:35.039 better chance of surviving than a second marriage would nowadays. 719 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.519 And so, you know, put those progressive values that many 720 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.760 of them held, well, the next generation may have actually 721 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.880 put it into effect. And so you see with Generation 722 00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:49.920 Z and look, our parents are Gen X, they're not boomers. 723 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:55.079 Boomers are either our grandparents or aunts and uncles. So 724 00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:58.280 oftentimes that term boomer is basically just used to mean 725 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.039 anyone older than me. It's an exact but we were 726 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:09.199 largely educated by millennials, in many cases older millennials, some 727 00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:13.920 gen xers, who took many of those particularly you know, 728 00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:17.119 feminist or other kind of you know, cultural t wing beliefs, 729 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.000 and they actually meant them. You know, they didn't just 730 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.440 say it, they actually did it. And so that same 731 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:29.079 experience that I had in college with that rubenesque feminists, 732 00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:34.800 to use a polite term, guys got just slammed by. 733 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:37.800 I was lucky to be in college by the time 734 00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.639 that came around. But if you're twelve, thirteen, fourteen, or 735 00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:42.719 if you were in a more progressive area where that 736 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.840 stuff was more you know, acceptable, you've been getting just 737 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:52.480 like bombarded with that your entire life. Similarly, like you know, 738 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:56.280 in the post Me Too era, right, both on an 739 00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:00.800 institutional level and also on a cultural level, relations between 740 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.480 men and women changed dramatically. Certain things that were deemed 741 00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:08.159 to be appropriate or even you know, within the kind 742 00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:12.639 of normal scope were not only rendered inappropriate, but you 743 00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.159 could lose your entire life if you hit a trip wire, 744 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:18.880 you know, if you and again, you know, I'm a 745 00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:23.000 religious extremist, so this wasn't my experience. But like, if 746 00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:25.480 you hook up with a girl and three weeks later 747 00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.400 she doesn't like it, tells the wrong person, your life 748 00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.360 is ruined. You know, you have an article as what 749 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:33.960 happened to you know the Duke lacrosse team has happened 750 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.840 at many at many other institutions. You're now an internationally 751 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.880 known rapist already a term that you'll probably have to bleep. 752 00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:44.119 But that happened to say? That word is that bad 753 00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:44.639 word to say? 754 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:48.280 I mean, yes it is, but also like it was 755 00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:50.920 literally what happened. You know, I'm not an advocate for 756 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.440 that point is sorry, so you don't know, you don't 757 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:53.519 have to. 758 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:55.880 I wouldn't bleep it anyway, but like, you know what's funny, 759 00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:57.960 I'm cutting off for a second. I had my friend 760 00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.920 Mary Bowdenn and don't know if you follow her, Mary 761 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:04.920 Tally Bowden, and she we were talking about how when 762 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:09.320 she was on Danny Danny Jones's podcast last year with 763 00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:13.159 Jack Cruz and Kelly Means, and they had to bleep 764 00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.039 out you know, there's certain words they had to bleep 765 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:18.079 out for YouTube, which you talk about medical freedom. So 766 00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:19.639 I don't need to tell you what those words are. 767 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:21.679 And I said to her, I go, you know, it's 768 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.599 so funny to me because I grew up as a kid, 769 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:26.719 you know, the R rated movies when they would be 770 00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:28.880 on regular TV, because I grew up in front of 771 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:32.079 the television, and so these R rated movies, I couldn't 772 00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:35.320 watch them on cable because they were uncensored, and they 773 00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.639 would delete the you know, the sex scenes, and then 774 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:41.039 all the swearing. They would either mute it or they 775 00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:44.719 do some lousy dubbing of it. But yet she's on 776 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.320 a show and they didn't even have her on the 777 00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:50.800 picture of the thumbnail. They didn't want to have her. 778 00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:52.360 They didn't want to take a chance of that. And 779 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.960 then I think, if my memory serves me, he had that. 780 00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.440 Danny Jones had to his production team whatever, had to 781 00:42:57.519 --> 00:42:59.320 go over with YouTube to make sure it was all 782 00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:01.719 up and off before they even publish it for the public. 783 00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:06.280 That's crazy, like genuinely, that's that's crazy. It's incredibly irritating. 784 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.320 But I know exactly what you mean. I am the 785 00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:13.000 world's worst editor. So I will, you know, take notes 786 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:14.320 on the side of like, oh, I've probably got to 787 00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.840 take that out and invariably forget it. 788 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:23.880 And so look, you know, sometimes you are directly quoting someone, 789 00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:27.239 even someone you would disagree with. It is their words, 790 00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.199 not yours. And still, you know, YouTube or others will 791 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.880 will sort of punish you for it. It's it's gotten 792 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:33.920 worse than the era of AI. 793 00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:36.119 But have you got have you had any challenges with 794 00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:39.480 YouTube recently? I h no. 795 00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:43.519 I Actually my ability to get stuff, to keep stuff 796 00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:47.440 monetized is almost impressive. Part of it is is developing 797 00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:51.480 a code of euphemisms to say whatever you want. Like 798 00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:53.440 if you you could say whatever you want as long 799 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:55.159 as you approach it in the right way, and if 800 00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.360 a computer, if you're not basically, if you're not saying 801 00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:00.480 like slurs, you know, calls to violence, which you know 802 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.440 I wouldn't do. Anyway, you can get you can talk 803 00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:07.599 around almost anything. But I did have one actually this 804 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:14.960 is crazy. This was for again alternative medical hypotheses, and 805 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.840 the context. The thing that I got clipped for is 806 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:23.480 I was as a joke describing the tinfoil hat stuff, 807 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:26.440 you know, like like kind of playing a character for 808 00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.639 a little bit talking to a guy, you know, Eugipius, 809 00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:32.039 who's a very very talented researcher on this, and I 810 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:34.480 was saying something like, oh, yeah, because you're not one 811 00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:36.840 of those guys that thinks if you take the thing, 812 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:41.119 you know, you become a mind's mind chip slave to 813 00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:44.679 the CEO of Microsoft. Except I used all the real words, 814 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:46.920 and when I got dinged for it, they played that 815 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:50.039 clip of my voice saying that I was like, well, one, 816 00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.599 I clearly disagree with that. It was a joke. You know, 817 00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:57.760 I'm hamming it up. But however, the AI on the 818 00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:01.280 other side did not appreciate that. There's another one which 819 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:04.000 was on me. I can't even fight this one where 820 00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:09.679 I called then Transportation Secretary Pete Boudhage Edge a slur, 821 00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:14.519 which I thought was funny. YouTube did not. So that's 822 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:17.000 my only two. I've managed to skate otherwise, which is 823 00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:20.760 sort of a miracle. But returning to the kind of 824 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.440 war between the sexist stuff and so you obviously have 825 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:30.719 this kind of you know, rising resentment of feminism or 826 00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:36.239 kind of social progressive signaling among young men. Also you 827 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.239 have to remember, like imagine being a teenager going through 828 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.599 the pandemic, going through George Floyd, going through all of this, 829 00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.960 that's going to produce a reaction, and largely that's been 830 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:50.159 facilitated by social media. And at the same time, you 831 00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:55.239 have almost a perfect mirror image reaching young women, right. 832 00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:58.760 They are getting the you know, the feminist narrative, they 833 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:02.280 are getting you know, the racial justice in scare quotes 834 00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:07.199 and narratives. And again, like, I've not necessarily experienced a 835 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.960 ton of this because you know, I'm part of a 836 00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:13.039 conservative religious community. That's where I met my wife, We've 837 00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:19.119 known each other forever. But it's hit women incredibly, incredibly hard. So, 838 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:23.800 for instance, my wife doesn't vote. She doesn't believe in voting. 839 00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:25.920 She just doesn't do it right. It's not like I 840 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:28.119 told her not to, but even before we were together, 841 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:31.840 she just didn't do it. And she will tell the 842 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:36.960 story where one of her then friends basically said, you know, 843 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.239 you're not a woman if you don't vote in this election. 844 00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.119 That was deemed to be sort of synonymous and so 845 00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:49.639 in much the same way that black doesn't literally mean 846 00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:53.719 of African descent. So for instance, you know, Joe Biden said, 847 00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:56.199 if you don't vote for me, he ain't black, and 848 00:46:56.719 --> 00:46:59.440 people laugh at him because that's obviously not true, but 849 00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:02.719 that but it will be black is a political identity. 850 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:05.519 It means more than just the color of your skin. 851 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:10.159 So Clarence Thomas isn't black because and I'm people have 852 00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.320 said this because he doesn't ascribe to that political identity. 853 00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:17.320 And so for generation Z, largely speaking, man and woman 854 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:22.480 have become political identities. Right, there's baggage associated with it. 855 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:27.400 And again, social media has enabled many, many things which 856 00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:33.199 are not explicit political signals to become implicit ones. So, 857 00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:37.840 for instance, I deleted all of my quote unquote, you know, 858 00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:42.320 normal social media in twenty twenty because basically it was like, 859 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.920 I'm just hating everyone that I know because I'm seeing 860 00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.599 there and saying political ramblings. And you know, rationally, there's 861 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:54.199 nothing about deleting social media that is a political act. 862 00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:57.559 But that was a signifier that I was a wrong 863 00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:01.440 thinker because I didn't want to be seeing the truth, 864 00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:03.880 which was you know, the mainstream narrative on COVID and 865 00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:07.320 on George Flood. That was a signifier. You're like, oh, what, 866 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.840 that's weird. But there are dozens of other things like that, 867 00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:14.760 like your you know, whatever your vices are, you your 868 00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:18.360 taste in music, you're like all of these little things 869 00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:24.000 have become signifiers of you know, these broad political camps. 870 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:28.159 And so in addition to you know, this loneliness epidemic 871 00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:32.000 that we often talk about, there is also this sort 872 00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:35.760 of political war between the sexes that is horrible. Like 873 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.639 genuinely it's a bad thing for the human species to 874 00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:43.079 have taken male and female and turned those into in 875 00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:48.039 many cases, rival political blocks. And so you certainly, as 876 00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:51.400 I've said earlier when talking about Generation Z, have the 877 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:55.679 economic situation which is dire, like it's really bad for 878 00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:00.880 any number of reasons. But you also have what you know, 879 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:03.800 people kind of derisively referred to as the dating discourse. Right, 880 00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:07.559 why aren't people pairing up? And you see this both 881 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:11.280 in the data on marriages, but even down to you know, 882 00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:14.519 the number of people who've gone on dates in the 883 00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:17.079 last year, let alone had sex in the last year. 884 00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:21.639 It's like, okay, like shure, those aren't great proxies for 885 00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.400 you know, whatever X Y Z thing we want to 886 00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:29.320 be happening. But at a very fundamental level, men and 887 00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.880 women are not interacting, they're not talking to each other, 888 00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:35.519 they're not pair bonding. And so I mean, to be honest, 889 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.159 I think that's behind a lot of it. As well, 890 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.639 which is that you know, many young men feel locked 891 00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:43.880 out of you know, economic advancement and also locked out 892 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.400 of social advancement, right, like I can't meet a girl, 893 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:48.800 or you know, I can't meet a girl who's not 894 00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:53.679 to be honest, kind of crazy. And again that doesn't 895 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:57.159 absolve any one person of personal agency, like they need 896 00:49:57.519 --> 00:49:59.079 your you know, and this is sort of what we 897 00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.719 got into on my show, like you exist in the 898 00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:05.639 time you do. You need to make certain decisions that 899 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:07.639 you know, even if your your hand of cards is 900 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.159 not particularly good. But I think that that's another big 901 00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:14.400 part of it. And you see this and oftentimes these 902 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:18.239 posts become viral because they are sort of a certain 903 00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:20.719 amount of confirmation bias, like oh, I hate the boomer 904 00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:22.920 so much. This is what they say, and who knows 905 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:26.519 how you know representative they are. But you'll hear something 906 00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:28.599 like oh, I don't know why young men aren't just 907 00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:31.039 you know, approaching a random girl who works at a 908 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:33.840 gas station, and it's like, well, we kind of see that. 909 00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.719 And that's a you know, specific example, right, you kind 910 00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.800 of see at once two different things there, which is 911 00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:44.159 one I would get arrested if I did that, Like genuinely, 912 00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.159 like not I personally, but like that is a very 913 00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:49.840 real fear that either you know, in the court of 914 00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:52.119 public opinion. And there are a great number of these 915 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.880 viral videos of women, you know, recording themselves interacting with 916 00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:59.000 a guy saying, you know, look at this creep, here's 917 00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:03.039 his face, or also write the legal, legal repercussions. But 918 00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:05.639 also it's sort of revealing because it's like, oh, you 919 00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.719 grew up at a time where working at a gas 920 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:11.159 station was just a thing that normal people did, Like 921 00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:13.719 you could be assured that's just some you know, girl 922 00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:15.559 from like the local college or whatever, working in her 923 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.760 free time. It's like, and I'm sorry if you're a 924 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:19.599 gas station worker listening to this, I'm not trying to 925 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:23.800 disparage you, but like now that is like an underclass job, 926 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:28.960 mostly for immigrants. So like, even that you know that 927 00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:32.320 hypothetical situation, it's like you kind of see that perfect 928 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.079 mix of not only have the relations between the sex 929 00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:41.159 has changed, but the economics have dramatically changed. And so look, 930 00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:43.199 I get it, Like some part of this is simply 931 00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.159 a function of you know, getting older, your point of 932 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:49.360 reference becomes more and more distant. But I think at 933 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:54.119 a very fundamental level. Uh, And I'm ruder to the 934 00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:56.800 boomers on this show that I normally have been. There's 935 00:51:56.840 --> 00:52:00.719 a failure to recognize that things may have gotten worse 936 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.480 in aggregate, even if they have gotten better for you personally. 937 00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:10.239 And you know, again right like that that incredible increase 938 00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:13.280 in the relative value of a home, if you're already in, 939 00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:16.599 that's great for you. You have this massive store of 940 00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:20.239 equity basically due to currency debasement, and you know a 941 00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:23.000 few other trends, but still, like, you have this huge asset, 942 00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:26.280 and it's entirely reasonable for you ton't want to cash 943 00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:30.039 out collect that value. I get it. But fundamentally the 944 00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:33.199 interests of young guys like me and people looking to 945 00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:36.440 cash out and retire are diametrically opposed. I mean, I 946 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.000 you know, I own a house, so like I was 947 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:40.599 able to kind of beat the odds on that due 948 00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:42.320 to know some factoris you don't need to get into. 949 00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:46.719 But like, even setting aside my personal interest, it's like, well, 950 00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:48.840 you've got a whole bunch of guys who are basically 951 00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:51.320 trying to get started, who are trying to establish themselves, 952 00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:55.320 who are up against relatively speaking, a two to three 953 00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:59.360 x increase in underlying asset valuation where there has been 954 00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:04.480 not even simply a freezing of average compensation in real terms, 955 00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.920 a decrease. Right, So you're kind of getting screwed on 956 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.159 both sides of the equation. And it's like, well, yeah, 957 00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:12.079 of course there's going to be some anger and some 958 00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:15.639 resentment there. Does that mean that all of that resentment 959 00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:18.360 is correct in every specific instance. Does it mean that 960 00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:23.159 it's directed correctly? No, those are separate questions. But if 961 00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:26.920 we're talking about that disconnect between younger and older people, 962 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.079 I think that's a large part of it is that 963 00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:33.679 many older people view the system as having worked fundamentally 964 00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:36.679 get worked for me, and if you could just put 965 00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:39.159 your nose to the grindstone, you could replicate what I've done. 966 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:43.039 And for many younger people, they feel as if, no, 967 00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:47.079 I'm being screwed. This system has nothing for me. And 968 00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:50.360 so if I'm going to achieve what my parents and 969 00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:53.880 grandparents did through normal means, I'm going to have to 970 00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:57.199 do something extraordinary. I'm going to have to break out 971 00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.960 of that system one way or another. And again, we're 972 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.400 talking about fairly large numbers of people, but I think 973 00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:05.480 that fundamentally is the core of the difference, like is 974 00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:08.079 this system working or not? And you see that in 975 00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:11.840 politics as well. A lot has been made of the 976 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:15.760 same divide on you know, the political right. This is 977 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:18.039 a relatively recent thing. You see it on kind of 978 00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:22.960 the the the fracture point of Israel, but it applies 979 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:25.679 to many other things as well. You know, look at 980 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:28.360 the difference between you know, Republican staffers and the people 981 00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:31.559 they work for. You see this Actually even in the 982 00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:34.519 kind of legacy GOP press, look at figures like Rod Dreyer, 983 00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:38.079 David French, they are freaking out about this. They say, oh, 984 00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:40.119 you know, the young people aren't conservative. It's like, well, 985 00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:43.480 that's entirely true. They're not because again, like I've said, 986 00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:48.360 they view the system as being, if not unsalvageable, but 987 00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.280 directly contraar to their interests. See the exact same thing 988 00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.360 on the left, where there is this difference between the 989 00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:57.239 kind of legacy party, you know, the people who view 990 00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:00.199 the system is fundamentally working, and those who want to 991 00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:03.960 burn it down. Momdannie is kind of a perfect example 992 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:06.719 of this, even if not him personally, then his supporters 993 00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.159 were basically like, why I don't care that he's a socialist, 994 00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:12.400 fix it, make it better. I don't think that's a 995 00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:17.239 great answer, but just look at the pulling from Mark 996 00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:20.519 Mitchell of Rasmussen on my show not too long ago, 997 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:24.320 really really fascinating guy, and he's talking about the kind 998 00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:27.599 of rise of the burn it down politics. If basically like, well, 999 00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:32.760 I'm getting screwed, so whatever makes this go away, I'll 1000 00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:35.000 press that button. Like I don't care what it's called, 1001 00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:39.599 I don't care who does it, but fix it somehow 1002 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:42.079 or at the very least, you know, blow it up, 1003 00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:44.400 and I'll at least have a decent chance then to 1004 00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:48.360 make something happen. And I see a lot of you know, 1005 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:54.199 understandable angst from older people because they are very worried 1006 00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:58.320 about it. But fundamentally it's like, well, you know, if 1007 00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.760 you want to save this system, I don't necessarily, but 1008 00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:05.400 something needs to change because it is becoming less and 1009 00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:10.159 less workable for the next generation. And you know, someone 1010 00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:12.199 might say like, oh, why are you complaining or like 1011 00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.039 why are you so upset? It was like, well, to 1012 00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.320 be honest, man, like, you know, I'm doing fine, not 1013 00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:19.639 like wealthy by any means, Like, but I was able 1014 00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:22.079 to get married and you know, do some things right, 1015 00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:27.719 but like that's proportionally more and more rare, you know, 1016 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:31.000 the kind of what was assumed to be baseline things. Again, 1017 00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:34.360 like I think about my grandfather, Like he didn't go 1018 00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.719 to college, he got out of the military, worked in McDonald's, 1019 00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:40.119 then got a job as a mechanic, like a very 1020 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:44.559 normal life, but he was able to his whole life. 1021 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:48.679 You drive new or almost new cars, have houses, and 1022 00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:52.840 support a family, and like, yeah, sure these weren't like mansions. 1023 00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:56.320 This wasn't some kind of princely affair, but the kind 1024 00:56:56.320 --> 00:57:01.440 of basic, you know, parts of accepting a steak in society, 1025 00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:04.840 we're much more achievable. And if you have guys who 1026 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.360 don't have a steak in society, who don't have anything 1027 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:11.199 to lose and also don't really have an accessible way 1028 00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:15.320 to get a stake in society, it's like, well, eventually 1029 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:17.719 you're going to reach a critical mass of people who 1030 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:20.320 just say like, well, like fuck it, like why not. 1031 00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:23.920 And you know, even if the answer they select on 1032 00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:26.840 is not you know, a great idea. In particular, you 1033 00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:30.039 have to understand that that is a individually you know, 1034 00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:34.159 rational position to arrive at. That's probably much more than 1035 00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:35.639 you wanted on the generational vibe. 1036 00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:38.119 No, no, no, no, not at all. I I uh, 1037 00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:43.559 what is at the top of your concern right now? 1038 00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.800 Then from from the standpoint of you as an individual 1039 00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:49.559 and for your family, what what do you what's at 1040 00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:50.320 the top of your list? 1041 00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:52.239 And is that is that? Is that? 1042 00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:54.760 Is that what you're building your show around right now? 1043 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:57.679 Having those types of guests because of what you're you know, 1044 00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:01.880 your top priority. Yeah, I mean it's definitely a huge 1045 00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:03.000 part of uh. 1046 00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:08.559 You know, I am sort of a amateur when it 1047 00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:11.400 comes to talking about financing the economy, but it's definitely 1048 00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:12.880 a big part of it. Yeah. 1049 00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:14.760 But use an individual, not not that you're an expert, 1050 00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:16.599 but what's at the top of your mind right now? 1051 00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:19.800 Yeah, I mean, honestly, man, that's a huge part of it. 1052 00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:24.559 I mean another one which is even more basic, uh, 1053 00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:27.360 And you see this kind of ripping through the right 1054 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:30.159 both in you know, the the UK and America is 1055 00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:35.079 basically like like what's what's the point of this whole thing? Like, 1056 00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:39.440 what's the point of America? What's the point of you know, 1057 00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:42.559 a nation? And so you know, when it comes to 1058 00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:45.159 something like you know, immigration or even the culture war stuff, 1059 00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:47.960 it's like, well, okay, like do I get to have 1060 00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:50.360 a say, like, do I get to you know, have 1061 00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:52.480 a culture that is mine that I am allowed to 1062 00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:57.480 you know, engage in well fundamentally like am I someone 1063 00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:01.079 to be replaced? And so, you know, I think that 1064 00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:03.239 that's a huge part of it, because if the point 1065 00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:05.519 of society is simply to act as kind of a 1066 00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:10.000 nursing home, right like the to you know, give the 1067 00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.519 most number of people a sort of maximumly comfortable existence 1068 00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:16.360 right where it's like you have all of these services 1069 00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:20.679 done for you by who it doesn't matter. Well, that 1070 00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:25.199 leads to a very specific, you know, outcome. But also 1071 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:27.519 again going back to our conversation about the power process, 1072 00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:30.840 that leads to a complete and total erosion of meaning, 1073 00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:35.119 that life becomes pointless and so be briefly mentioned to 1074 00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:38.599 the IDW And you know, Peterson and others have sort 1075 00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:41.400 of a comparatives of themselves, but I think what shot 1076 00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:46.079 them to the kind of strategy or kites was addressing 1077 00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:50.559 that conscious that that crisis of meaning. You have more 1078 00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:53.239 and more people who are lonely, one and more people 1079 00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:55.159 who don't have anything they feel as if they are 1080 00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:59.239 part of, and they feel as if their lives are pointless, right, 1081 00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:02.480 why might I even here? For I don't have a family, 1082 01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:06.920 I don't have fulfilling work, and so a very fundamental 1083 01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:09.480 level right at that crisis of meaning, like one, why 1084 01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:12.159 am I personal here? But two, you know, what is 1085 01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:15.519 the purpose of our nation? I mean that's huge, right, 1086 01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:20.599 And even someone like Peterson will pick on briefly, you know, 1087 01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:22.960 don't have any hate for the man, but that again 1088 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:23.559 was sort. 1089 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:25.159 Of a he kind of dropped off. He kind of 1090 01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:28.320 dropped off by the way. Yeah, I mean, look like 1091 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.920 I obviously you had some very severe health issues, you know, 1092 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:35.239 an addiction to a chemical addiction to benzodiazepine, which, like 1093 01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:37.360 I wouldn't wish on my worst enemies, I don't but 1094 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:38.440 grudge him that, you. 1095 01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:39.400 Know, he lives. 1096 01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:43.039 He lives here in Phoenix where I'm at, and I was, 1097 01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:45.239 I was, I've been talking about him just in my 1098 01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:47.599 personal life. I'm like, man, that guy just disappeared, and 1099 01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:49.239 his daughter once in a while will pop up. His 1100 01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:50.960 daughter has been all over acts over the last couple 1101 01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:54.000 of days. You've probably have seen with the taste stuff, 1102 01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:59.079 and it's a whole nother story. Some good entertainment on 1103 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:03.239 these social media platforms. I mean Milo, that guy Milo 1104 01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:05.320 is like the ultimate troll. I mean that guy is 1105 01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:08.639 the godfather of trolling. He actually trolled, not e controlled. 1106 01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:11.239 But he made a comment to my friend Dave Colin 1107 01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:15.039 last night which you haven't seen. It's hilarious, absolutely larious. 1108 01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:18.880 Bilo is hilarious. But I'll be honest, I'm slightly afraid 1109 01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:22.719 of him. Or it's like I don't I wouldn't trust 1110 01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:24.639 that guy as far as like a thrill. Uh So 1111 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:27.559 I have a sort of like a you know Jane 1112 01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:29.559 Goodall with the chimps, where it's like I'll watch this 1113 01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:32.800 from the bushes with glasses, but I Am not getting involved. 1114 01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:35.960 Uh. Well, they're provocateurs, right, there's a group of moms. 1115 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.239 I mean, Laura Loomer is a provocateur. I've had her on. 1116 01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:43.719 Nick Fuent is a provocateur. Milo is like the maybe 1117 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:48.039 he's original og a provocateuring. I would say Cantice Owns 1118 01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:52.480 is a provocateur. Who am I missing their Cris Burnet, Well, 1119 01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:55.000 I'd love to actually talk to. But he's another one 1120 01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:56.559 I think is a he's I mean, he's done some 1121 01:01:56.639 --> 01:02:01.239 great work. But there's this group of people that provocateurs. 1122 01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:02.280 That's just what they do. 1123 01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:04.840 Like oh yeah, one of one of those things where 1124 01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:06.840 it's like I can never bring myself to be morally 1125 01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:09.800 outraged by that because it's like, look, man, like if 1126 01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:11.440 you've been on the internet for long enough, it's like 1127 01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:15.119 that role always exists, you know, and like if you 1128 01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:18.119 if you think it's a bad thing, the worst thing 1129 01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:20.480 you can do is give it air because like that's 1130 01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:24.199 what it is, right, It's it's provocation. It's designed to 1131 01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:27.079 get a reaction out of you. And so like even 1132 01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:28.480 if you look at this and I'm like, oh you 1133 01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:31.000 o cancellns, it's a great you know, she's saying crazy 1134 01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:33.960 stuff threat, it's like, okay, sure, you know. I don't 1135 01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:36.960 agree with Candaceellans Uh. I will admit I find her 1136 01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.039 ability to sort of play mad libs very entertaining, where 1137 01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:42.800 it's like you can sort of just swap the nouns 1138 01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.360 and verbs, where it's like ah, yes, uh. Charlie Kirk's 1139 01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:49.280 ghost astually projected into my third eye and told me 1140 01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:51.159 that he was Catholic. It's not a one hundred percent 1141 01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:53.840 of retelling of something she said recently, but it's pretty close, 1142 01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:56.559 Like I get it. It's entertaining, but if people are 1143 01:02:56.679 --> 01:02:58.920 kind of morally offended by that, it's like it's the 1144 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:01.320 oldest bit of as on the internet, like don't feed 1145 01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:04.599 the trolls, and at a certain point much you know, 1146 01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:06.480 much like Wolke Media, it's like if you hate it, 1147 01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:08.519 but you won't stop talking about it, like, dude, this 1148 01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:09.239 is kind of on you. 1149 01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:11.840 Who's the asshole? Who's the asshole here? The person that's 1150 01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:15.679 putting it out there or the one that's watching it. Yeah, exactly. 1151 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:18.440 Not even like, like I said, I'm not morally offended 1152 01:03:18.519 --> 01:03:20.760 by this stuff, I see a great many people who are, 1153 01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.360 and it's always like, all right, dude, they maybe just 1154 01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:26.519 don't you know, you don't have to read it. To 1155 01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:30.079 quote uh Tyler the creator some other rapper who said, 1156 01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:32.320 how can you be cyberbully? Just close your eyes. 1157 01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:33.960 It's kind of my take on a lot of that 1158 01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:37.519 as well. It's like, but some of it's so good man, 1159 01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:39.599 like some of it is so insane you can't help. 1160 01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:42.320 But I mean, you know, look, I'm sorry that people 1161 01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.519 go through whatever, but like some of the drama, but 1162 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:47.760 they also create it and they live their lives on 1163 01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:50.440 these platforms, so all of a sudden when it gets exposed, 1164 01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:53.360 what do you expect, Like Elijah Shaeffer, I mean I 1165 01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:55.360 watched that whole thing with him and Sarah Stock and 1166 01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:58.760 Mile Mile again, like, what do you expect? 1167 01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:03.679 I mean, yes, one hundred percent, where it's like you 1168 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:05.920 sort of live by the sword, by by the sword, 1169 01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:08.639 which is part of the reason why I never talked 1170 01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:12.920 about drama on my show. It's superstitious. But my thought 1171 01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.480 is if I don't talk about it, it can't affect me. 1172 01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:17.320 We'll see how that experiment works out. 1173 01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:20.440 So I'm sorry. We were talking about Jordan Peterson. I 1174 01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:24.000 was just saying, how oh no, no, he literally, yeah, 1175 01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:26.760 he lives here. I believe his daughter lives here, and 1176 01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:32.760 the guy just has completely disappeared. Yeah, well, I mean, 1177 01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:35.599 and as far as big issues, I mean, honestly, I 1178 01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.719 think that he was fundamentally correct talking about that crisis 1179 01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:44.800 of purpose, crisis of meaning, because again, like for many people, 1180 01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:50.039 they feel as if their lives are completely and totally pointless. 1181 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:53.239 You know, you see this massive explosion and deaths of despair. 1182 01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:56.960 You know, whether it's it's opioids, whether it's self inflicted, 1183 01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:03.360 you know, a gunshot wound, alcoholism, and that speaks of 1184 01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.880 a society that's fundamentally very sick, right, people who feel 1185 01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:10.599 as if there's nothing justifying their existence. And when you 1186 01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:13.440 combine that with this kind of epidemic of loneliness, right, 1187 01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:17.199 we're like, okay, well, something's deeply, deeply wrong. And like 1188 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:20.000 there's a part of that that's a political or part 1189 01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:22.960 of it, it's spiritual as well. But to me, it's 1190 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:26.679 sort of a you know, microcosm of a broader crisis 1191 01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:30.000 of meaning across the West, where you have these cultures, 1192 01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:34.440 you have these nations that can't really justify their own 1193 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:38.320 existence anymore. They believe and many people believe that these 1194 01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:42.400 these nations, these peoples are irredeemably sinful, right, they have 1195 01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:45.920 done something wrong and they don't really deserve to exist anymore. 1196 01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:50.840 And see the same thing with many people, and it's like, well, no, 1197 01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:54.599 I like these things. I like these people. I want 1198 01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:58.320 them to continue to exist. They're a good thing. They're 1199 01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:01.599 forced for good, as someone might say. And so you know, 1200 01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:06.119 if you believe that that project is in crisis, it's like, well, one, 1201 01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:10.679 all right, there's your purpose, Like that's that's a huge 1202 01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:13.519 thing to do, you know, whether that is your literal bloodline, 1203 01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:16.360 you know, your culture, your nation, whatever it is. Like 1204 01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:21.079 that's that's an anecdote to that purposeful purposelessness. But also 1205 01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:25.559 like there're a great number of and this has been 1206 01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:28.760 kind of proven right in the recent DJ files. Right, 1207 01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:30.599 there's a great. 1208 01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:34.480 Deal of like genuine evil in the world. Right, I mean, 1209 01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:37.480 as again as we've seen the Epstein files, perhaps darker 1210 01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:39.559 than we ever could have imagined. And so to me 1211 01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:42.960 it's sort of like, well, there is your anecdote to 1212 01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:47.599 purpose purposelessness. Right, there's all of a sudden, this grand adventure, 1213 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:50.519 right to to save your people, to save your bloodline, 1214 01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:54.599 all of this. And also right, like there is a 1215 01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:59.239 very there's a clear enemy in that. And so it's 1216 01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.760 why do you consider myself in a certain way to 1217 01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:06.320 be kind of a political partisan, not in any way, 1218 01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:09.119 not in any violent sense, of course, but like that 1219 01:07:11.079 --> 01:07:14.480 that is something to throw yourself into, you know, that 1220 01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:19.960 is a thing to dedicate your life to. And again, right, 1221 01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:21.840 this is one of the things that I think is 1222 01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:25.000 very interesting and it doesn't have to be explicitly political. 1223 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:26.639 In fact, many of the people doing this are not 1224 01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:30.039 political at all, and they're better for it. But one 1225 01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:33.039 of the things that was interesting about the pandemic is 1226 01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:37.880 that it was a massive sorting event. And I noticed 1227 01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:40.239 this in my immediate peer group. I saw it in 1228 01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:43.039 others as well, that it sort of caused a split 1229 01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:47.880 and it was basically who is going to be normal 1230 01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:51.280 and who's going to go along with this? And those 1231 01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:55.920 two populations over time have produced dramatically different results. Right, 1232 01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:58.519 the kind of normal population, which I guess in a 1233 01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:01.039 statistical sense is not it was a dissident thing, but 1234 01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:04.639 historically normal. It's like, okay, well, you know those people 1235 01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:08.440 are doing things people have normally done, right. They you know, 1236 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.800 they're starting families, they're building relationships, they're doing what you 1237 01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:14.920 would expect. And that population who hasn't has sort of, 1238 01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:18.199 to be honest, kind of devolved. They live in this 1239 01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:23.399 sort of extended adolescence, the kind of effectively pointless lives 1240 01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:27.399 of consumption where you know, they may have their hobbies 1241 01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:31.119 and activities, but really not much of consequence is done. 1242 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:33.680 And I think that that is sort of an expression 1243 01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:36.239 of exactly that what I'm talking about, where it's like 1244 01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:44.359 that dissent, that break from the kind of mainstream norm 1245 01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:49.560 is basically what is required to be a human, not 1246 01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:51.640 in a biological sense, of course, but to do the 1247 01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:54.880 things that mankind is traditionally done, which seems to, again 1248 01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:56.880 going back to our conversation about the power process, have 1249 01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:06.560 that synthesis of accountability and meaning which prevents either implicitly, 1250 01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:12.640 like explicitly, or effectively ending your life. Like okay, sure 1251 01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.159 you may not have you know, suck started a shotgun, 1252 01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:19.239 but like if you're you know, an aging you know 1253 01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:23.159 cat lady who does nothing, but you feeder animals, buy 1254 01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:25.840 things on Netflix and or buy things on Amazon and 1255 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:29.319 watch Netflix, it's like, well, functionally, from a biological perspective, 1256 01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:32.279 you're dead. Like you did not pass through that filter. 1257 01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:37.000 And so maybe I'm speaking vaguely here, Mike, but I 1258 01:09:37.079 --> 01:09:41.760 think that like that is what is to be done, 1259 01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:44.760 and that is sort of that anecdote as person would 1260 01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:48.000 say that anecdote to chaos, that anecdote to meaninglessness, And 1261 01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:51.960 really I see that's what that that is. What's happening 1262 01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:53.800 is that you you have a great number of people 1263 01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:58.039 who are looking for a meaning, looking for a reason 1264 01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:02.920 to exist, and you see this. I think it was 1265 01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:07.039 real clear. Just did a poll about this. One of 1266 01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:10.239 my buddies sent it in talking about how the you know, 1267 01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:13.960 the return to religiosity is being driven by effectively gen 1268 01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:17.640 z men. And you could look at that as basically 1269 01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:21.319 a out like a crying out for meaning, crying out 1270 01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:23.239 for like why am I here? What am I supposed 1271 01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:26.239 to do? And you could look at you know, the 1272 01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:29.520 rise of you know, left wing activism among women, which 1273 01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:32.720 we spoke about earlier, is sort of a zeno religion, 1274 01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:35.800 like a xeno estrogen, right, a molecule that your body 1275 01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:37.880 thinks as a hormone and so it bonds onto it. 1276 01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:40.760 It's like, well, let's put politics aren't really a religion. 1277 01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:42.960 It doesn't have to be to be left wing politics. 1278 01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.399 But you know, politics aren't really a religion. They don't 1279 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:47.720 quite fulfill the same role. They don't do the same 1280 01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:50.640 things for you do much like you know, whatever chemical 1281 01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:53.199 from your shampoo doesn't actually do what estrogen does in 1282 01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:58.479 your body. Well, but it's close enough. Right, You'll latch 1283 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:01.359 onto that because that does provide you with a narrative 1284 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:03.840 to tell yourself about the world. Right, I am a 1285 01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:07.600 I am an advocate for this Palestine for a little bit. 1286 01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:11.359 Now it's you know, immigrants, it'll probably be you know, 1287 01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:14.439 some drug dealer who got ventilated by the police in 1288 01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:18.119 three months from now. It cycles through, but again, is 1289 01:11:18.319 --> 01:11:22.039 a a narrative is something to tell about yourself, why 1290 01:11:22.119 --> 01:11:24.560 you exist, what you should do? You know, what is 1291 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:28.399 your place in the world, and you know fundamentally, and 1292 01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:32.720 it's actually uh, sort of phuitous. We you know, mentioned 1293 01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:40.239 Campbell earlier, because humans are mimetic, right, they tell themselves stories. 1294 01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:43.000 They placed themselves in a narrative. I mean, this is 1295 01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:46.680 why we have such a visceral emotional connection to stories 1296 01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:49.279 that are hundreds, if not thousands of years old. Right, 1297 01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:52.000 Like you read Homer and you're like, Okay, some of 1298 01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:53.920 the language a little archaic. I don't one hundred percent 1299 01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:55.680 understand what's going on, but you're like, all, I get 1300 01:11:55.680 --> 01:12:00.479 this this, but it resonates on a deep kind of 1301 01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:05.239 brainstem level because even if you aren't literally Achilles, so 1302 01:12:05.359 --> 01:12:08.319 like's that's a story I can sink into it. It 1303 01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:11.479 explains I can imagine myself as that, where I can 1304 01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:17.000 relate to that in a certain way. And fundamentally, right, 1305 01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:19.479 there's a large group of people who find themselves with 1306 01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:23.159 either no narrative or a very weak one where it's like, well, 1307 01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:27.119 I guess my narrative is that I am irrevocable, like 1308 01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:31.039 irredeemably sinful because of my you know, my culture, my 1309 01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:35.600 skin color, my religion, whatever. And I guess that that 1310 01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:39.439 just means I'm bad forever. And the one thing I 1311 01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:43.439 can do is sort of empty consumption, you know, hitting 1312 01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:46.880 a certain number of you know, serotonin receptors, and that's 1313 01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:49.600 supposed to give my life purpose and meaning, and very 1314 01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:51.800 clearly that is not working. And so I think what 1315 01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:54.760 you see is people casting around for an answer to that, 1316 01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:59.760 whether that's a literal religion, a zeno religion, there is 1317 01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:03.279 a a great need for that. And one more thing, 1318 01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:07.359 and I'm sorry, I'll get off this soapbox, but you 1319 01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:13.760 oftentimes see older people and conservatives making fun of the 1320 01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:18.159 kind of you know, weird theater kids who post neo pronouns. Right, 1321 01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:21.800 the zs are types on social media. I don't know, 1322 01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:25.840 I don't even know what that is. Educate, Oh, Neo 1323 01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:28.640 pronouns are all the like really ridiculous, like I'm not 1324 01:13:28.720 --> 01:13:31.159 a he she or I'm not a day. I've made 1325 01:13:31.239 --> 01:13:34.359 up my own like zs aer uh, And they get 1326 01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:37.439 increasingly more fractal and ridiculous, to the point where it's 1327 01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:40.439 like literally no human has ever uttered this combination of syllables. 1328 01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:42.640 But I guess if I don't say that, you're going 1329 01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:45.000 to report me to HR? Who am I joking? None 1330 01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:50.359 of these people at jobs? But uh, in that right, 1331 01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:53.199 there is something on its face completely and totally ridiculous, 1332 01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:57.159 like you called yourself a demi boy and you dress 1333 01:13:57.239 --> 01:13:59.520 like a kid from a nineties Siers catalog? Like what 1334 01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:02.359 is that? And it is like it is ridiculous on 1335 01:14:02.439 --> 01:14:06.960 its face, But from my perspective, what that is is 1336 01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:10.479 it's a desire for meeting. It's a desire for identity. 1337 01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:13.880 What am I? I don't feel as if there's any 1338 01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:15.720 answer to that question, So I guess I will just 1339 01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:20.000 have to construct for myself this you kind of cobbled together, 1340 01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:25.439 you know, brand affiliations and personal aesthetic and pronoun to 1341 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:29.359 create some sort of identity for myself. And it's sort 1342 01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:32.439 of tragic because historically that is not where people derive 1343 01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:35.960 their identity from. It was, you know, from their their nation, 1344 01:14:36.079 --> 01:14:40.359 their people, the institutions they surrounded themselves with. And this 1345 01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:42.840 is sort of elegantly explained in you know, in Putnam's 1346 01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:46.359 Bowling Alone. Right, the death of these sort of civic institutions, 1347 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:53.199 these places where people made friends, met their spouse, derived 1348 01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:56.399 a sense of purpose from right, These institutions required something 1349 01:14:56.640 --> 01:15:00.840 of you know, their members and so general. Later, it's 1350 01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:03.600 it's no shock that people are searching for identity and 1351 01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:06.960 many of them come up with really retarded ones like 1352 01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:09.159 yet sure, where you can laugh at them and should. 1353 01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:12.479 But that speaks to that kind of wider crisis that 1354 01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:15.279 you see in all the other examples I've mentioned. Yeah, 1355 01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:18.279 that's that's kind of my I guess, rambling and organized 1356 01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:18.920 thoughts on it, Like. 1357 01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:23.359 You know, you talking about twenty twenty and that that 1358 01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:26.720 divider and that's what you know, you look at that 1359 01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:30.279 period where there was a clear line right between what 1360 01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:33.079 people thought certain that you know, they were absolutists on 1361 01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:37.600 both sides, right, but also now as we've gone six years, 1362 01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:43.319 six years later, especially on the right, where I thought 1363 01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:47.399 in my own experience, you know, being objective is what 1364 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:49.239 you know, what we should have taken from that from 1365 01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:51.880 that time period of what you know, questioning everything. And 1366 01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:54.039 I say when I say objective, I mean questioning everything 1367 01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:57.119 and asking you know, you know why, and not being 1368 01:15:57.159 --> 01:16:02.039 afraid to speak. But you know, it's like on the 1369 01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:04.640 left is still I don't know if he knows the 1370 01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:06.800 left or right. Kevin Diana's got me thinking differently now 1371 01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:08.119 after I talk to him the other day. 1372 01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:11.680 You know, he said, dude, isn't he He's so smart? 1373 01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:11.920 Man? 1374 01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:13.840 I think Kevin's like the coolest guy in the world. 1375 01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:15.560 So smart. It's first time I ever spoke with him before. 1376 01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:17.680 I mean, I've had Jared Taylor on a few times 1377 01:16:17.720 --> 01:16:21.439 and Peter and Lydia Brimlow over a Vedre and but yeah, 1378 01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:24.640 I mean the guy talk about I mean he asked, 1379 01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:26.640 he said, you should come on identity politics. I'm like, man, 1380 01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:28.600 I don't. That's a way out of my league. You 1381 01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:30.199 guys are all the way out of my league. Like 1382 01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:32.960 I'm like a club fighter going in the ring with 1383 01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:35.359 like Manny paciol And you know, I don't have the 1384 01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:37.279 handspeed or the footwork to keep up with you guys. 1385 01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:41.920 But but but anyway, you know this this idea of 1386 01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:45.279 being an absolutist, and now I'm the further on the right. 1387 01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:49.239 It's like there's more dividers, more dividers, Middle East, huge divider, 1388 01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:55.319 right Maga versus people asking questions, huge divider. So it's 1389 01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:57.800 like it's being cut and cut and cut and cut. 1390 01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:00.439 And the only conclusion I can come from that to 1391 01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:03.439 come take from that because I get heat up both sides, 1392 01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:06.800 as probably you do as well. Because I think I'm objective. 1393 01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:09.720 Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you know, you might get a 1394 01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:13.399 sense maybe I'm not. Maybe I'm totally you know, biased 1395 01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:18.880 in my own absolutist world. But uh, I feel like 1396 01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:21.039 if you are an absolutist and you're you're you're you're 1397 01:17:21.079 --> 01:17:23.920 in a cult where you think you just this is 1398 01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:25.760 the way it is, this is the way it's going 1399 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:29.079 to be, and I don't know, I I mean, that's 1400 01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:33.520 not what I want. I kind of went off on 1401 01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:36.079 my own rant. There, No, no, not at all. So 1402 01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:39.439 I think that. 1403 01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:45.159 This is sort of a function of of massive scale. 1404 01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:50.920 There's a great equip from Urban where he says success 1405 01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:53.319 is having your own ideas explained to you by the 1406 01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:57.039 stupidest person you've ever met. And all right, it's it's 1407 01:17:57.119 --> 01:18:01.760 kind of funny, right, But obviously with anything you know, 1408 01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:03.880 as an idea becomes more and more popular, it sort 1409 01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:07.239 of becomes a parody of itself. You see this actually, 1410 01:18:07.720 --> 01:18:09.760 and well, boy, am I going to make the Catholics 1411 01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:12.279 mad with this one. But you kind of see this 1412 01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:14.800 with the Catholic Church right where it's like, if you're 1413 01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:18.159 one hundred and thirty IQ artist and you want to 1414 01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:23.600 get really into you know, stimistic law and all that 1415 01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:26.520 you can't that exists, you can deep dive into that, 1416 01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:31.640 and that's Catholicism. But also Catholicism is like you know, 1417 01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:34.000 when like a Mexican lady like lights a candle with 1418 01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:35.840 a picture of Saint on it and that's about as 1419 01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:37.159 much as she gets from it. I'm not trying to 1420 01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:38.800 pick on Mexicans, but you know what I mean, there's 1421 01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:42.520 that simple, kind of peasant version of it. And okay, 1422 01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:46.479 that's one thing for the Church. But you see the 1423 01:18:46.520 --> 01:18:49.960 same thing with any idea, right that you know, there's 1424 01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:52.640 this sort of you know, vanguard whatever form it takes 1425 01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:55.600 that you know, is interrogating ideas has a nuanced version 1426 01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:58.600 of it, and when you know, expanded to you know, 1427 01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:02.359 a mass, it gets necessarily dumbed downed and turned into 1428 01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:06.680 a series of slogans. Right, it becomes a meme. Right, 1429 01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:10.840 that kind of infectious idea which has almost no place 1430 01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:17.359 for nuance. There's there's it is catchy and spreadable and short. Right, 1431 01:19:17.560 --> 01:19:21.439 it's the difference between you know, oh, you know, Nietzsche 1432 01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:26.079 was like the nihilism. Man, you did nothing, God is dead, 1433 01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:29.159 you know, nothing matters that that kind of like quick, 1434 01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:31.760 you know, kind of thumbnail view versus like, you know, 1435 01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:34.479 actually reading about the distinction between you know, the apolony 1436 01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:36.840 and the dynasy and or whatever, you know, the kind 1437 01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:38.319 of real meat of it. 1438 01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:39.279 And so. 1439 01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:45.279 That's kind of the attitude I always take towards kind 1440 01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:49.800 of any feedback or comments or anything. I'm still quite small, 1441 01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:53.520 so I'm relatively speaking, still within my own bumble bubble 1442 01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:55.880 excuse me. But every once in a while something gets 1443 01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:57.560 picked up and it kind of goes outside of that. 1444 01:19:57.720 --> 01:20:02.159 And so you have people you know backing you, sloganeering 1445 01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:04.640 at you. And that's always the thing you have to remember, 1446 01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:10.239 which is like, look like most people don't understand the 1447 01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:12.479 most complicated version of an idea, right, they get the 1448 01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:14.760 kind of quick and dirty version, and they you know, 1449 01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:18.960 they go with that, and that being you know, incorrect 1450 01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:22.119 or incomplete doesn't discredit the kind of core of it. 1451 01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:25.319 You saw this ten years ago with all the like 1452 01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:28.560 SJW destroyed content right where it's like, well, I can 1453 01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:32.520 debate a you know, eighteen year old college freshman. It's like, 1454 01:20:33.239 --> 01:20:36.520 sure you can, man, But like, dude, I could find 1455 01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:38.199 you know, an eighteen year college freshman. 1456 01:20:38.319 --> 01:20:40.359 That's an old act. Now, man, that's just old. 1457 01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:44.079 Like, so you see that same thing where it's like 1458 01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:46.960 you're attacking the lowest version of a meme, the lowest 1459 01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:49.960 version of an idea because it's it's cheap, right, it's 1460 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:52.159 easy to do. You're crushing cans, right to take up 1461 01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:52.920 a boxing now. 1462 01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:55.319 And clicks and clicks, you get to clicks, and yeah. 1463 01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:58.399 One hundred percent there's money in it. But to me, 1464 01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:00.439 I think that a large function of that kind of 1465 01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:04.279 like totalizing instinct. It's coming from that, right, It's coming 1466 01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:07.560 from you know, you're getting the lowest resolution idea. And 1467 01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:13.720 you know also, I mean I think that fundamentally any 1468 01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:18.279 system of belief becomes totalizing because it is making a 1469 01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:22.079 claim about the nature of reality, right, a very fundamental claim. 1470 01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:28.359 And so within one broad you know, kind of meta 1471 01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:34.399 political claim, you can have conversations on you know, the 1472 01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:35.279 merits of something. 1473 01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:35.920 Right. 1474 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:37.600 So for instance, like if if you and I are 1475 01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:40.439 both you know, Christians, we can you know go to 1476 01:21:40.520 --> 01:21:42.399 the Bible and you know, quote it back and forth, 1477 01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:44.239 although that even gets messy, like if you and I 1478 01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:47.119 are both Lutherans or both you know, Baptist or whatever, 1479 01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:50.119 we have a common frame of reference. But and this 1480 01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:51.720 is part of the reason why I think these like 1481 01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:56.319 religion debates are so mindendingly agonizing, as it's like, okay, well, 1482 01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:00.199 if I'm quoting the Bible and your quote like the 1483 01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:03.359 bog of a geta or whatever, we can't have a 1484 01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:07.079 discussion there because fundamentally we're all operating off of these different, 1485 01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:11.640 ultimately unprovable claims about the nature of reality, right like 1486 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:17.640 I can't prove to you physically that Christ raised from 1487 01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:20.840 the dead, and you can't prove to me as this 1488 01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:24.199 hypothetical Hindu I don't know enough about Hinduism to even 1489 01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:27.079 know what claim they would make cowser sacred. We'll go 1490 01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:30.880 with that, right, that is fundamentally improvable. And so what 1491 01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:33.920 I think again with that kind of totalizing instinct, is 1492 01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:37.359 that politics is fractured to the place where that common 1493 01:22:37.399 --> 01:22:41.760 ground has gone away. They're operating under fundamentally different metapolitical 1494 01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:44.520 narratives and what is the purpose of life, even down 1495 01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:46.239 to something like what is a man? What is a woman? 1496 01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:51.840 And so without that common ground, you it's Hindus and Christians, right, 1497 01:22:52.399 --> 01:22:56.479 They're they're working on fundamentally different you know, axioms, and 1498 01:22:56.680 --> 01:22:58.640 so that I think that's a big part of the 1499 01:22:58.680 --> 01:23:03.199 reason why debate culture has kind of died out, you know, 1500 01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:05.359 like you still see some of it, but it's really 1501 01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:08.479 not anywhere near the kind of high cultural prominence it 1502 01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:12.119 used to be, because, to be honest, it seems as 1503 01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:15.359 if many people have realized that it's ultimately futile. And 1504 01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:18.079 also you see this in politics as well, right, Like 1505 01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:22.399 people are more and more, even on the legislative level, 1506 01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:28.439 abandoning the pretense of appealing to everybody, right, abandoning the 1507 01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:32.039 pretense of like, oh, well, you know, my opponent across 1508 01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:34.680 the stage for me, we disagree about a great many things, 1509 01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:37.560 but we both want, you know, a bright future for America. 1510 01:23:37.680 --> 01:23:39.640 It's like that's I mean, that still exists. And like 1511 01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:42.119 if you're from like you know, I'm say Iola, I 1512 01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:43.800 don't actually know that much about Iolist. That maybe a 1513 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:49.000 profoundly ignorant statement, like in the kind of more historically 1514 01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:54.560 normal parts of the country, but like, fundamentally politics, the 1515 01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:56.840 culture war, and they're kind of one and the same, 1516 01:23:57.079 --> 01:24:01.239 have become a war of belief, right, a war between 1517 01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:06.880 those mutually incompatible means. And so I think that's another reason. 1518 01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:08.840 And this is I guess something we went into in 1519 01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:11.520 our last conversation. To forgive me if you're bored hearing 1520 01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:13.800 you repeat myself. But I think that's another part of 1521 01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:17.039 the reason why we see that sort of totalizing that 1522 01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:20.640 you're just describing that totalizing behavior. And also here's another 1523 01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:26.720 example that cultural dissolution I spoke about earlier, where the meaning, 1524 01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:34.720 the institutions, the responsibilities that created meaning. As those have 1525 01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:40.760 gone away, politics has stepped into their place. So my 1526 01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:43.239 friend arn McIntyre wrote a book, The Total State, which 1527 01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:46.479 is about exactly this. It's a very good book. I've 1528 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:50.239 read it, you should too. But he makes a point 1529 01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:54.840 that many others have made that for total politics, total 1530 01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:58.600 control by the state, this kind of tyranny, there can 1531 01:24:58.680 --> 01:25:01.920 be no rivals. So in the Roman context, right, they 1532 01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:05.079 had to smash the old families for the empire to 1533 01:25:05.119 --> 01:25:07.239 be born. Like if you have this sort of you know, 1534 01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:12.399 familial kind of mafia organization that runs the state, well 1535 01:25:12.439 --> 01:25:14.520 you can't have an empire in that at the same time, 1536 01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:18.319 or you know, you can't have you know, the church 1537 01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:24.239 and you know the revolutionary government, right you. So as 1538 01:25:24.319 --> 01:25:28.760 those institutions have fallen apart, both through deliberate action and 1539 01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:32.680 just lack of interest, the state has stepped in. So 1540 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:35.960 going back to kind of the sexual revolution, right, all 1541 01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:41.199 of the institutions you had around family formation. As those 1542 01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:44.920 broke apart, well the government steps in. So now you 1543 01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:47.119 have you know, divorce court, you have CPS, you have 1544 01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:51.239 all of these things which exist to take up the slack. 1545 01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:54.680 But also that's now a new way that politics affects 1546 01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:57.920 your life because if you're in government, now you get 1547 01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:00.720 to dictate the rules of all of the those different things. 1548 01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:04.079 You have created an entry. You've taken something from the 1549 01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:07.880 a political because I mean, let's be honest, right, Like 1550 01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:10.479 can you imagine talking to like a farmer from eighteen 1551 01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:14.319 hundred about like family politics. It's like, what does that 1552 01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:16.680 even mean? You know? I have I guess I vote 1553 01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:20.039 because I own property, Like it's sort of beyond the 1554 01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:24.439 scope of politics, right, Well, that enters into the political arena, 1555 01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:28.640 and it is more and more stuff gets dragged into that. Well, well, 1556 01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:32.039 everything becomes political and two, the total amount of power 1557 01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:35.000 the state has grows and grows and grows because now 1558 01:26:35.039 --> 01:26:37.359 the state doesn't just to get to decide, you know, 1559 01:26:37.439 --> 01:26:40.359 if you get you know, like frog marched into a 1560 01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:43.079 you know, a frontline battalion in a war. Well, they 1561 01:26:43.079 --> 01:26:45.079 also get to decide do you have custody of your kids? 1562 01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:47.720 They also get to decide, you know, any number of 1563 01:26:47.880 --> 01:26:50.840 things you mentioned hr like, let's be honest, that's sort 1564 01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:52.479 of an arm of the state, you know, of a 1565 01:26:52.600 --> 01:26:55.119 plus or minus. And so I think that that's another 1566 01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:57.600 part of it as well. Right, that is why politics 1567 01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:01.239 is totalizing because more and more, even down to you know, 1568 01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:04.359 the relationship between parents and children, the relationship between you know, 1569 01:27:04.479 --> 01:27:09.880 husbands and wives have entered into the romal politics. What 1570 01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:12.039 I'm getting at there, Mike, do. 1571 01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:16.079 You last question? How do you feel about the future 1572 01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:21.680 for use an individual and as our society is a country, 1573 01:27:22.239 --> 01:27:23.680 both in the short term and the long term. 1574 01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:29.079 Yeah, so I have to get characterized to someone who's 1575 01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:33.039 you know, black pillow, right, because you know, I frankly 1576 01:27:33.159 --> 01:27:33.800 look at. 1577 01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:37.000 Kevin said bleak pilled which I thought I'd never heard 1578 01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:37.399 that before. 1579 01:27:37.720 --> 01:27:40.199 Have you heard that that is true about Kevin actually 1580 01:27:40.479 --> 01:27:42.199 the world's most black pilled man. 1581 01:27:42.319 --> 01:27:45.039 Well, he said bleak. He said bleak pilled, not black. 1582 01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:47.000 Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's an accurate term. 1583 01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:47.880 Uh. 1584 01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:50.439 I love Kevin. I'll get off all that. 1585 01:27:51.399 --> 01:27:53.279 But point is the. 1586 01:27:56.399 --> 01:27:59.319 That is all all, almost all that analysis is true 1587 01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:04.279 there that are going badly, very badly. You can look 1588 01:28:04.279 --> 01:28:08.439 at any number of you know, social criminal trends over 1589 01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:11.000 the last sixty years and say this is not going 1590 01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:18.279 great fair enough. I agree with that fundamentally. I look 1591 01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:22.479 at the dissonant movement, the resistance what everyone call it 1592 01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:27.079 as being in the ascendant. We have answers for these problems, 1593 01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:30.800 to questions that many are not even asking. I see 1594 01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:33.159 this in a couple different ways. One of my buddies, Thomas, 1595 01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:36.880 he talks about this because he deals with many of 1596 01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:39.960 these same issues. And he said, look, man, I've been 1597 01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:42.239 in this for longer than you've been alive. And when 1598 01:28:42.279 --> 01:28:45.000 I started out, you were the biggest deal in the world. 1599 01:28:45.079 --> 01:28:48.000 If you had a physical newsletter with one hundred people 1600 01:28:48.119 --> 01:28:50.720 subscribe to, that meant you were a big deal. You 1601 01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:54.479 were important. Look, man, if you have like one hundred 1602 01:28:54.520 --> 01:28:58.399 listeners on your podcast, no one cares there's nothing and 1603 01:28:58.560 --> 01:29:00.439 look like I'm not saying that if you were a 1604 01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:03.000 podcaster with one hundred listeners you should neck yourself. Not 1605 01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:05.199 my point at all, but to say like that has 1606 01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:10.720 scope has increased. But also like within the the political 1607 01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:13.560 groups I'm affiliated with, the conferences I'm going to, not 1608 01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:16.159 only they're growing in terms of numbers, but also the 1609 01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:21.119 quality of people is rapidly expanding. I went to the 1610 01:29:21.560 --> 01:29:24.800 Old Gory Club OGC conference in Tennessee last year. I've 1611 01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:27.560 been three times down three years in a row, and 1612 01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:31.760 there was a marked difference from year two to year 1613 01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:33.880 three that I went there. Not to say the guys 1614 01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:36.479 there before weren't good guys, not at all, but I 1615 01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:40.560 was meeting more and more guys who are capable, like 1616 01:29:41.079 --> 01:29:44.000 competent people with something to lose. You know, a guy 1617 01:29:44.039 --> 01:29:48.479 who's in his forties working in tech in one of 1618 01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:51.399 those big tech cities, pulling down a whole lot of money, 1619 01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:55.039 and he basically like, look, man, like, things aren't going 1620 01:29:55.119 --> 01:29:58.039 well and I think I need to do something about it, 1621 01:29:58.159 --> 01:29:59.960 Like I feel compelled for the sake of my family. 1622 01:30:01.039 --> 01:30:04.439 It's like, okay, good, like not good that that's happening. 1623 01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:06.560 To you, not good that we're in this situation, but 1624 01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:09.560 like that's a strong sign when people who are serious, 1625 01:30:09.640 --> 01:30:12.000 people who have something to lose, who have something from 1626 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:16.000 a certain perspectives better that they could be doing. That's 1627 01:30:16.039 --> 01:30:18.079 a strong that's a leading indicator. You see this as well, 1628 01:30:18.159 --> 01:30:20.079 Like and I won't name any names, but like as 1629 01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:22.520 I'm sure you'rewhare Michael. You can see people's names and 1630 01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:25.920 emails on substack, and you know, every once in a 1631 01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:28.239 while you get email Okay, I know that name, so 1632 01:30:28.319 --> 01:30:30.840 you google it and you're like, oh, shoot, that's actually 1633 01:30:31.079 --> 01:30:34.479 that guy. Why is why is he here? Because you 1634 01:30:34.520 --> 01:30:37.319 don't just default to our weird corner of the internet, right, 1635 01:30:37.399 --> 01:30:42.560 that speaks of something, And so generally speaking, like in 1636 01:30:42.680 --> 01:30:45.560 the mid to long term, I think I think we're 1637 01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:49.760 gonna win. Like the short medium term is likely not 1638 01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:52.319 going to be pleasant. But I look at even my 1639 01:30:52.359 --> 01:30:56.439 friends in South Africa, the guys that after Form, the 1640 01:30:56.479 --> 01:30:58.760 guys that Arerania, and I see a country that is 1641 01:30:59.399 --> 01:31:03.119 way worse than we are now. Right, they don't have power, 1642 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:08.680 they don't have roads, a horrific crime, and yet there 1643 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:11.800 is still that kind of light there like they're building 1644 01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:14.520 something they're making something. They made their own university how 1645 01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:18.680 to scratch. It's like, okay, that's real, Like that's something 1646 01:31:19.479 --> 01:31:23.399 even in these kind of horrible circumstances on paper, it's like, 1647 01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:28.359 well that is like that's there's something redemptive in that, right, 1648 01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:31.720 that is again one to call it like you can 1649 01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:33.760 do it. You know, look at these guys who had 1650 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:36.000 it worse than you are, in a worse situation, they 1651 01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:40.880 were able to make something worth preserving. And I think 1652 01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:44.800 that that is incredibly white pulling from the perspective of 1653 01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:48.159 like okay, like something can be done, like there is 1654 01:31:48.279 --> 01:31:53.439 a way to beat this kind of cultural degradation. And 1655 01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:57.039 also like again that I think that that is very 1656 01:31:57.119 --> 01:32:00.600 much kind of an anecdote or antidote, excuse me to 1657 01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:03.960 that that kind of crisis of meaning. And so when 1658 01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:05.840 it comes to the show to medium term, like on 1659 01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:07.359 any issue where you're like, oh, do you think this 1660 01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:09.159 is going to get better or worse, It's like, oh, dude, 1661 01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:12.079 it's going to get way worse if present trends continue. 1662 01:32:12.199 --> 01:32:14.560 Like you know, you look at something as stupid as 1663 01:32:14.640 --> 01:32:17.359 like driving down the road and not being hit by 1664 01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:19.000 a guy who doesn't know how to drive in an 1665 01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:21.680 eighteen wheeler. It's like, well, I's probably gonna get worse. 1666 01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:24.199 Like that seems to be, you know, given to current trends, 1667 01:32:24.840 --> 01:32:27.960 you know, the demographic, to crime, any one of these. 1668 01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:31.279 It's like, okay, well, yeah, I accept that analysis. But 1669 01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:34.960 the idea that you know, things are going to get 1670 01:32:35.079 --> 01:32:38.800 worse soon and they will stay worse forever, I fundamentally 1671 01:32:38.920 --> 01:32:43.520 disagree with. And again it's because you know, I see, 1672 01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:46.560 you know, so many young guys who are discontented, who 1673 01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:49.560 feel as if they're being screwed and are taking the 1674 01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:54.159 appropriate measures, who are organizing, We're building you know, networks 1675 01:32:54.199 --> 01:32:57.520 of like minded individuals, We're building things, whether business or 1676 01:32:57.560 --> 01:33:00.720 political institutions, who are basically saying like, oh okay, like 1677 01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:03.199 this sucks, I'm going to fix it, like I am 1678 01:33:03.279 --> 01:33:05.359 going to make it better. And I think that that 1679 01:33:05.479 --> 01:33:10.239 attitude is exactly what's needed. And there's a great, a 1680 01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:15.000 great segment in you know, Nick Land's Cracker Factory in 1681 01:33:15.039 --> 01:33:16.920 the book Dark Enlightenment, which I think I've referenced like 1682 01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:19.000 four times in the last week because it keeps coming up. 1683 01:33:19.720 --> 01:33:22.479 We He talks about how for you know, Western anglos 1684 01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:28.279 in particular, that the default mode of conflict resolution is secession, 1685 01:33:28.439 --> 01:33:30.800 basically like, ah, all right, I lost, I'll go start 1686 01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:32.880 my own thing. He said it all across America, right, 1687 01:33:32.880 --> 01:33:35.560 like the formation of Rhode Island, even where it's basically like, 1688 01:33:35.560 --> 01:33:37.479 oh shoot, we lost that fight. We have our own 1689 01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:41.279 thing now. And you see that cultural idea carried obviously 1690 01:33:41.319 --> 01:33:43.560 the American Civil War, but also even into something like 1691 01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:46.439 white flight. Right, well, it's like, I guess I'll start 1692 01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:48.079 a suburb somewhere like I don't. I don't want to 1693 01:33:48.079 --> 01:33:51.920 be a part of this thing anymore. And it's understandable. 1694 01:33:52.079 --> 01:33:55.399 But eventually you reach a wall, right you can't run 1695 01:33:55.479 --> 01:33:58.439 any further. And if I can close on this, it 1696 01:33:58.479 --> 01:34:02.319 reminds me of a great essay translated in English or 1697 01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:04.960 written I can't quite remember, by my buddy Ernst Vinzel, 1698 01:34:05.079 --> 01:34:09.039 conscious Carocle, member of the team in after Form, where 1699 01:34:09.039 --> 01:34:13.880 he talked about the importance of digging a trench, and 1700 01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:16.600 he was basically saying, He's like, look like, when you retreat, 1701 01:34:17.079 --> 01:34:19.920 you don't retreat to run away forever. You retreat to 1702 01:34:20.039 --> 01:34:23.079 make a defensible position. You retreat so that you have 1703 01:34:23.199 --> 01:34:26.039 time to dig a trench. We have something to defend 1704 01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:30.600 and that essay was incredibly impactful in my life. It's 1705 01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:35.439 actually not a huge It was at almost the exact 1706 01:34:35.520 --> 01:34:39.479 time decided to start a podcast, decided to get involved 1707 01:34:39.479 --> 01:34:41.319 in this, to put out eventually, to put out my 1708 01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:45.119 face and make this what I do. And I was 1709 01:34:45.159 --> 01:34:49.600 walking around downtown Richmond. They were tearing down the monuments 1710 01:34:50.039 --> 01:34:53.279 and I was listening to this, walking down Monument Avenue. 1711 01:34:54.239 --> 01:34:58.079 The least statue was still up ritually defaced, covered in graffiti, 1712 01:34:58.159 --> 01:35:02.000 and I was walking past. I believe it was Davis, 1713 01:35:02.239 --> 01:35:04.600 might have been the admiral whose name I can't remember, 1714 01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:07.680 but looking at these just holes in the ground where 1715 01:35:07.960 --> 01:35:09.960 you know, the symbol of a culture had been dug 1716 01:35:10.039 --> 01:35:13.279 out and replaced with just a pit of mud. Listening 1717 01:35:13.439 --> 01:35:15.600 to him read this, listening to talking about, you know, 1718 01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:17.520 retreating to find something defensive, and I was like, God, 1719 01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:22.840 damn it, he's right, And so yeah, book, things are 1720 01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:25.680 gonna get worse. Like you know, all of the available metrics, 1721 01:35:25.680 --> 01:35:27.439 at least the ones I'm seeing, things are gonna get worse. 1722 01:35:28.279 --> 01:35:34.159 But fundamentally, I view us, our guys, whoever you know 1723 01:35:34.199 --> 01:35:36.840 it is, listening to this is like containing the seeds 1724 01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:40.199 of or a generation of renaissance of something that could 1725 01:35:40.279 --> 01:35:43.520 actually fix this. And I might be wrong, you know, 1726 01:35:43.640 --> 01:35:47.520 I might you know, be overly romantic in that, but 1727 01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:50.880 to me, like I see that as being an immense, 1728 01:35:52.079 --> 01:35:55.520 an immense white pill, right, a case for hope. And 1729 01:35:55.800 --> 01:35:57.720 look like, if it doesn't work, if this project all 1730 01:35:57.800 --> 01:36:04.800 turns to dust, well look man, it's better than watching 1731 01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:07.159 Netflix and blowing your brains out. I guess like it. 1732 01:36:07.359 --> 01:36:09.560 At the very least, it is a meaning to your life, 1733 01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:11.680 which is I think, you know, even if it is 1734 01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:14.960 ultimately unsuccessful, there's sort of a heroism and a doomed cause. 1735 01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:16.399 And I don't think our cause is due. 1736 01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:20.319 You know, it's in talking to you now for over 1737 01:36:20.479 --> 01:36:24.520 ninety minutes. And you know, my friend Matt Smith, I 1738 01:36:24.560 --> 01:36:26.560 don't know if you follow him and his son Maxim 1739 01:36:26.760 --> 01:36:28.960 with the book The Preparation that they put out back 1740 01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:29.600 a few months ago. 1741 01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:29.960 You should. 1742 01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:32.600 You should talk to Matt on your show Maxim two. 1743 01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:34.399 Yeah, check that out. 1744 01:36:34.760 --> 01:36:38.079 They wrote a book, Matt, excuse me, Matt, Maxim and 1745 01:36:38.399 --> 01:36:40.640 Doug Casey wrote a book called The Preparation and it's 1746 01:36:41.119 --> 01:36:45.319 it's a path that they carved out for Matt's son 1747 01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:48.279 Max And you can follow him on Substack and it's 1748 01:36:48.319 --> 01:36:51.640 a really good book, which I'll let those guys, you know, 1749 01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:53.600 going to go into detail with you decide to have 1750 01:36:53.680 --> 01:36:56.439 him on. But Ben keller Ren I've had on here. 1751 01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:00.880 Will has been on now a couple of times. Make 1752 01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:03.840 sure I'm not missing anybody here. I don't want to 1753 01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:09.119 forget anybody any I think that's it. But you know, 1754 01:37:10.279 --> 01:37:12.680 talking to you guys is I'm gonna group you here 1755 01:37:12.720 --> 01:37:15.680 for a second because it does provide me with a 1756 01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:19.439 practical approach. Provide, not provide me, provide a practical approach 1757 01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:23.319 on where we're at and working within the system the 1758 01:37:23.439 --> 01:37:27.239 best that you can. And it's it's great to hear, 1759 01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:30.560 you know, And so I appreciate you, you know, taking 1760 01:37:30.600 --> 01:37:32.399 time for me to taking time to come on. 1761 01:37:35.279 --> 01:37:37.079 Sure thing, man, thank you so much for having me on. 1762 01:37:37.319 --> 01:37:38.239 I really enjoyed it. 1763 01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:38.760 Uh. 1764 01:37:39.399 --> 01:37:43.239 While I'm thinking about this, uh, you should talk to 1765 01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:45.119 my buddy Johann Kurz. 1766 01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:47.680 I'm talking to him. I'm actually talking to him. The 1767 01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:51.560 first week in March, Yeah, first week in Marshall be 1768 01:37:51.640 --> 01:37:52.039 on my show. 1769 01:37:52.239 --> 01:37:52.560 He was on. 1770 01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:54.239 He was on with Matt. He was on with Matt 1771 01:37:54.239 --> 01:37:55.640 Smith and Doug Casey. 1772 01:37:56.600 --> 01:37:59.720 They're working on a very similar project. But Johann's book 1773 01:38:00.159 --> 01:38:04.159 is fantastic. I liked it so much I got given 1774 01:38:04.199 --> 01:38:07.399 a copy by him. I gave that away. I've bought 1775 01:38:07.600 --> 01:38:10.039 four more copies and given them out, that's how much 1776 01:38:10.079 --> 01:38:14.560 I like it. But he's another person who is in 1777 01:38:14.680 --> 01:38:19.560 a much more intelligent, well expressed way, looking at the 1778 01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:23.960 same issues that I have that I am, and similarly 1779 01:38:24.039 --> 01:38:26.840 has decided to actually do something about it. So for 1780 01:38:26.920 --> 01:38:31.880 those wondering, like, oh, what should I do Johann Kurz 1781 01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:34.600 leaving the legacy, that'll be my That'll be my shill, 1782 01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:39.279 check that book out. But there were many minds devoted 1783 01:38:39.319 --> 01:38:42.720 to this problem, and like Kurrs, many others, many serious 1784 01:38:42.840 --> 01:38:45.880 people who could be, you know, making lots of money 1785 01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:48.520 and not thinking about this, who've decided that this issue 1786 01:38:48.600 --> 01:38:49.199 is worth their time. 1787 01:38:49.800 --> 01:38:50.760 Where could people find you? 1788 01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:55.840 So you can find me The Jay Burton Show on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, 1789 01:38:56.079 --> 01:38:59.800 anywhere you want to listen to podcasts. I similarly have 1790 01:38:59.880 --> 01:39:03.359 a free and premium feed. The premium feeds on Patreon, 1791 01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:06.039 Substack or gum Road. It's like five bucks a month. 1792 01:39:06.079 --> 01:39:09.000 It's pretty cheap. Helps me support this project, get the 1793 01:39:09.039 --> 01:39:11.720 episodes early and add free, but you get all the 1794 01:39:11.720 --> 01:39:13.800 same content so you don't have to feel like you're 1795 01:39:13.800 --> 01:39:16.359 missing out on the free feed. But again, Mike, thank 1796 01:39:16.399 --> 01:39:17.680 you so much for having me on. Man, this was 1797 01:39:17.680 --> 01:39:18.199 a ton of fun. 1798 01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:23.279 For those that you know have not supported Jack and 1799 01:39:23.439 --> 01:39:26.319 has showed the Jay Burden Show, you know, I think 1800 01:39:26.359 --> 01:39:28.600 after listening to him for ninety minutes, it gives you 1801 01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:29.840 if you don't have a re if you didn't have 1802 01:39:29.840 --> 01:39:32.760 a reason, then you have a reason now and support 1803 01:39:32.840 --> 01:39:36.279 what he's doing. And you know it's important. And I 1804 01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:39.079 thank you, and you know, I hope, I hope this 1805 01:39:39.239 --> 01:39:41.680 is the first of many conversations ahead. I'll be the host, 1806 01:39:41.720 --> 01:39:42.319 you'd be the guest. 1807 01:39:44.039 --> 01:39:45.600 Yeah. Sure again, I'll have to come back on this 1808 01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:46.520 with a ton of fun. 1809 01:39:46.800 --> 01:39:50.079 Mike drop Jay Burton, thanks for coming back, man. 1810 01:39:51.319 --> 01:39:53.319 Yeah, man, it's good to see you again. I'm glad 1811 01:39:53.319 --> 01:39:53.720 to be back. 1812 01:39:54.199 --> 01:39:55.960 Appreciate you taking the time. You know, we were just 1813 01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:58.520 talking offline for a minute and you know, talking about 1814 01:39:58.560 --> 01:40:02.159 Johann Kurtz, which you mentioned him when last time when 1815 01:40:02.319 --> 01:40:06.520 when you and I spoke, and uh what it's incredible 1816 01:40:06.640 --> 01:40:08.880 that you know I had Will Will Tanner on yesterday 1817 01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:11.439 got to speak with Johan have have you have had 1818 01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:14.479 had you on before and now you're back, and man, 1819 01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:16.279 I'm just so appreciati that you guys make time for me. 1820 01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:16.880 So thanks. 1821 01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:20.680 Oh yeah, of course, I'm happy to be here. I'm 1822 01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:24.159 always somewhat uh, somewhat cautious to be mentioned in the 1823 01:40:24.520 --> 01:40:29.399 same sentences as Johan and Will, who are extremely well 1824 01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:34.399 spoken in Genteel and I Will put out at least 1825 01:40:34.560 --> 01:40:36.520 one to two episodes a week with a dick joke 1826 01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:41.760 in it, so you know, it's uh, I'm surrounded by 1827 01:40:41.960 --> 01:40:45.920 uh by better men. Yeah, man, the uh it's funny. 1828 01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:48.359 And I don't know if I mentioned this to Johann, 1829 01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:51.159 but I've given out like three or four copies of 1830 01:40:51.199 --> 01:40:53.359 this book. I like it. I've just bought a you know, 1831 01:40:53.399 --> 01:40:56.560 a bundle of of off Amazon, and actually I still 1832 01:40:56.600 --> 01:40:58.880 have one more copy. I just haven't had time to 1833 01:40:58.920 --> 01:41:00.239 give it to the guy I think he'd be. For 1834 01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:02.399 the point is, yeah, what can you say about that guy? 1835 01:41:02.479 --> 01:41:04.640 He's very, very talented, And I've got to catch up 1836 01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:07.840 on that episode I have. After he and I spoke last, 1837 01:41:07.840 --> 01:41:11.079 which is probably six months ago, I haven't been in 1838 01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:12.760 touch and I have something I need to fix because 1839 01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:16.880 uh yeah, as you've said, great guy and very very 1840 01:41:17.079 --> 01:41:23.039 uh well spoken, which is a you know, commendable trait. 1841 01:41:23.640 --> 01:41:26.720 Well and you know also with that, I was talking 1842 01:41:26.760 --> 01:41:29.560 to somebody in the gym last week and he was, 1843 01:41:29.720 --> 01:41:31.520 you know, I'm gonna be forty eight next month. And 1844 01:41:31.680 --> 01:41:33.359 this guy was, if I had to guess, was older 1845 01:41:33.399 --> 01:41:36.079 than me, and he was ripping on younger people, which 1846 01:41:36.159 --> 01:41:39.520 you hear, you hear this stuff. And so I was 1847 01:41:39.560 --> 01:41:42.640 talking were specifically referencing my conversations with both Will and 1848 01:41:42.720 --> 01:41:44.319 you that I was having this week, and I said, I, 1849 01:41:44.399 --> 01:41:47.239 you know, I gotta tell you, the younger people, some 1850 01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:50.319 of the ones I talked to, they're not clueless, they're 1851 01:41:50.359 --> 01:41:52.920 not dumb, they're not stupid, and you know what, they're 1852 01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:55.039 taking their own initiative. They don't want to go to 1853 01:41:55.039 --> 01:41:56.600 the corporate route. They don't want to go to the 1854 01:41:56.680 --> 01:41:59.039 traditional and you know what, I don't blame them. I 1855 01:41:59.119 --> 01:42:01.800 wish I would have been that age to recognize it 1856 01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:05.039 because I hated it. I hated college, no offense to 1857 01:42:05.039 --> 01:42:07.520 people to go, but I hated corporate sitting at a 1858 01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:09.920 desk all day long. So I have a lot of 1859 01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:12.479 optimism and hope and you know, I hate that word 1860 01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:17.399 for your like people in your age, the gen z s. 1861 01:42:19.159 --> 01:42:21.560 Yeah, well I think on that like that guy, I 1862 01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:24.399 don't know what his specific complaints were who he was 1863 01:42:24.479 --> 01:42:27.760 talking about, but look like we understand that, you know, 1864 01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:31.600 wisdom and experience is something you get with age, and 1865 01:42:31.880 --> 01:42:35.479 so you know, you definitely see younger guys sort of 1866 01:42:35.520 --> 01:42:41.560 falling into you know, well traveled pitfalls, right, So on 1867 01:42:41.680 --> 01:42:43.319 one hand, you get it, but at the same time, 1868 01:42:43.560 --> 01:42:45.640 we've got to understand that, like we're talking about a 1869 01:42:45.720 --> 01:42:50.880 large group of people and like that that talented top 1870 01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:56.279 ten percent, Well, it's always a minority, right, So if 1871 01:42:56.279 --> 01:42:59.399 we're talking about the large the largest groups, right, a 1872 01:42:59.479 --> 01:43:03.800 whole general, especially one where you know you still have 1873 01:43:04.319 --> 01:43:05.760 and I'm a little fuzzy on this, but you still 1874 01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:07.640 have kids in high school, right who are part of 1875 01:43:07.720 --> 01:43:12.239 that generation. It's like, well, you're probably not wrong, Like sure, 1876 01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:16.600 I'm one hundred percent sure that you know, nine eyed 1877 01:43:16.640 --> 01:43:19.520 out of one hundred nineteen year olds or morons. I 1878 01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:22.199 certainly was. But at the same time, right, we've got 1879 01:43:22.239 --> 01:43:25.239 to understand one who will be talking about because like 1880 01:43:25.319 --> 01:43:28.439 in a culture like America that's incredibly fractured and diverse 1881 01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:30.920 in both positive and negative sense of that. It's like, well, 1882 01:43:31.359 --> 01:43:33.680 who are you talking about, man, because, like, you know, 1883 01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:35.880 I know a bunch of guys in you know, the 1884 01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:38.920 homeschool space, Like I was talking to this morning at 1885 01:43:38.960 --> 01:43:42.359 the gym, and he's got a twelve year old that 1886 01:43:42.880 --> 01:43:44.920 you know, works jobs with him, you know, like it 1887 01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:46.880 helps his dad as a contractor, knows how to put 1888 01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:48.680 you know, shingles up and do all that kind of stuff. 1889 01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:53.319 And it's like, Okay, well that's an incredibly capable young man, 1890 01:43:53.479 --> 01:43:56.439 well above his years. So like if we're talking about 1891 01:43:56.479 --> 01:43:59.199 that group orsus anyone else, It's like, I understand the appeal. 1892 01:43:59.319 --> 01:44:01.600 And you see the same with boomers, right, people love 1893 01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:04.159 to throw it around, but uh, you know, if we're 1894 01:44:04.159 --> 01:44:06.800 gonna be adults, we have to talk about groups. I 1895 01:44:06.920 --> 01:44:10.199 understand that. But at the same time, it's like any 1896 01:44:10.319 --> 01:44:13.119 statement is inaccurate on that level, you know, on a 1897 01:44:13.159 --> 01:44:16.199 personal level. And we spoke about this last time. Uh, 1898 01:44:17.800 --> 01:44:19.880 And actually this is funny because this sort of connects 1899 01:44:20.079 --> 01:44:23.800 to our you know, our eventual topic, right, which is 1900 01:44:23.880 --> 01:44:27.880 that this war in Iran, which is there is a 1901 01:44:28.159 --> 01:44:33.159 sharp generational divide in America and as we said last time, 1902 01:44:33.199 --> 01:44:36.199 I really think that is to what degree has the 1903 01:44:36.359 --> 01:44:41.520 system ever really worked for you? And sure, you know 1904 01:44:41.640 --> 01:44:45.000 there are people like Harry Sisson or whatever that you know, 1905 01:44:45.079 --> 01:44:47.640 the DNC twink that people are always making fun off 1906 01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:51.199 like that guy's the bought and paid for right. He 1907 01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:55.000 probably makes a lot of money directly or indirectly from 1908 01:44:55.079 --> 01:44:58.239 his activism, like you'll never see him be anything other 1909 01:44:58.319 --> 01:45:02.760 than that. But I think for a lot of people 1910 01:45:03.199 --> 01:45:06.800 that that kind of you know, college to corporate path 1911 01:45:07.159 --> 01:45:11.399 is either not an option or so unappealing of an 1912 01:45:11.399 --> 01:45:18.279 option that you're sort of forced to go elsewhere. It's funny, 1913 01:45:18.279 --> 01:45:20.399 I think last time, I'm speaking to you about, you know, 1914 01:45:20.479 --> 01:45:24.560 my immediate peer group. And you know, one of my 1915 01:45:24.640 --> 01:45:26.439 best friends, guy I lived with for a long time 1916 01:45:26.520 --> 01:45:29.880 before I got married. He and I were talking and 1917 01:45:30.239 --> 01:45:34.039 you know, oh, give no biographical detail on that, but 1918 01:45:35.079 --> 01:45:38.000 he's the guy who sort of threaded the needle right, 1919 01:45:38.079 --> 01:45:41.720 went to a good school, good grade scholarship, got into 1920 01:45:41.840 --> 01:45:46.600 a you know, relatively lucrative corporate job, and he easily, 1921 01:45:47.479 --> 01:45:49.960 you know, he's got a large you know, runway in 1922 01:45:50.039 --> 01:45:54.479 front of him again to do something else because the 1923 01:45:56.800 --> 01:46:00.359 institutions like that, even if you can sort of I 1924 01:46:00.399 --> 01:46:04.119 guess I've said thread the needle, and we've certainly mentioned before, 1925 01:46:04.600 --> 01:46:08.319 you know, the racial discrimination angle, the weird gender politics 1926 01:46:08.359 --> 01:46:12.439 of the workplace, which are very much felt in corporate America. 1927 01:46:13.640 --> 01:46:18.560 But also one of the weird transitions and you see 1928 01:46:18.600 --> 01:46:21.279 this at all, you know, many different industries, is that, 1929 01:46:21.439 --> 01:46:23.680 particularly over the last five years, there's been a move 1930 01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:28.399 away from training people. And you see this when anytime 1931 01:46:28.439 --> 01:46:31.439 someone's complaining about looking for jobs right where it's like 1932 01:46:31.479 --> 01:46:33.880 the bare minimum entry level position says two to five 1933 01:46:33.960 --> 01:46:37.079 years experience. And Okay, maybe is some of that because 1934 01:46:37.119 --> 01:46:39.560 their positions they're not even looking to fill or it's 1935 01:46:39.640 --> 01:46:41.600 one of those well we don't really need this, but 1936 01:46:41.720 --> 01:46:44.720 if someone comes in who's massively overqualified, will take them? 1937 01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:47.159 Or is it you know, part of the kind of uh, 1938 01:46:48.199 --> 01:46:51.319 you know, like ethnic rackets that we found out about, 1939 01:46:51.560 --> 01:46:54.039 you know, with different hiring practices, you know, the whole 1940 01:46:54.399 --> 01:46:57.920 ongoing you know, h one B scandal that all may 1941 01:46:57.960 --> 01:47:00.479 be part of it, but fundamentally a lot of these 1942 01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:04.880 institutions are not interested in developing people, right. They would 1943 01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:07.319 much rather find someone that someone else has paid to 1944 01:47:07.520 --> 01:47:09.760 develop and then bring them in at the kind of 1945 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:14.199 middle level, and so, okay, sure, sometimes people are able to, 1946 01:47:14.479 --> 01:47:16.479 you know, like my friend kind of you know, shoot 1947 01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:18.920 the gap. If you're unusually competent in your right place, 1948 01:47:19.039 --> 01:47:21.319 right time, you know, you're able to get thrown into 1949 01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:23.800 a position that is expecting a lot of you, and 1950 01:47:23.880 --> 01:47:26.199 you're able to rise that that one hundred percent exists. 1951 01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:30.279 But that creates a very weird culture of there is 1952 01:47:30.399 --> 01:47:33.920 nobody under a certain age and no one without you know, 1953 01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:36.880 a certain number of kind of years in that institution. 1954 01:47:37.840 --> 01:47:40.520 And so one of the things that we're seeing is 1955 01:47:40.640 --> 01:47:43.159 that a lot of companies, because we've been talking about 1956 01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:46.560 you and I personally, the people this problem with how 1957 01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:51.720 different industries are gray right, they have a relatively small 1958 01:47:51.880 --> 01:47:55.760 number of highly competent people nearing retirement who know how 1959 01:47:56.720 --> 01:48:00.119 XYZ works, you know, the power grid, the you know, 1960 01:48:00.199 --> 01:48:04.239 the water treatment plant or whatever, and they are retiring 1961 01:48:04.319 --> 01:48:07.399 that knowledge is being lost with them, Well, at least 1962 01:48:07.439 --> 01:48:09.239 what I'm seeing in their articles on this. You can 1963 01:48:09.279 --> 01:48:13.000 certainly find them if you search where companies have basically 1964 01:48:13.079 --> 01:48:16.159 started to make the gamble that well, what if we 1965 01:48:16.359 --> 01:48:20.880 just pay that guy two x his working rate to 1966 01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:23.319 sit in a cubicle for a year and a half 1967 01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:26.079 and dump all of his knowledge into an AI that 1968 01:48:26.279 --> 01:48:29.000 will solve the problem. Now we don't know if it 1969 01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:32.800 will or not. I'm perhaps a little skeptical, but you know, 1970 01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:35.439 that corporate route is, even if you can make it 1971 01:48:35.520 --> 01:48:40.039 in the door, very difficult to you know, advance up 1972 01:48:40.119 --> 01:48:42.199 the level because you have a large number of people 1973 01:48:42.279 --> 01:48:45.680 who are by virtue of the sort of entry requirements 1974 01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:49.399 ahead of you and also sort of bought into that institution. 1975 01:48:50.119 --> 01:48:52.600 And so my buddy and others to basically been like, 1976 01:48:52.720 --> 01:48:55.640 you know what, like, I don't want to be behind 1977 01:48:56.039 --> 01:48:58.560 this big glut of people who are ten to fifteen 1978 01:48:58.640 --> 01:49:01.800 years above me forever. I'll have to wait until they 1979 01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:04.720 retire to ever rise above a certain level. The whole 1980 01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:08.039 population pyramid is really distorted due to know a whole 1981 01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:12.439 number of different things. And also, you know, the point 1982 01:49:12.600 --> 01:49:15.720 is all of that is not just me complaining about 1983 01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:20.119 the job market. It's to say that again, these sort 1984 01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:22.920 of trends and forces that push people out don't tend 1985 01:49:23.039 --> 01:49:26.840 to only push them out along one vector. Finally bringing 1986 01:49:26.880 --> 01:49:29.680 it back to you know, the Iran war, we're seeing 1987 01:49:29.720 --> 01:49:32.640 a very sharp divide I think it was New York Times. 1988 01:49:32.680 --> 01:49:35.159 I'm not entirely sure it was a prestige outlet. Forgive 1989 01:49:35.199 --> 01:49:37.600 me for not having a citation to hand that broke 1990 01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:44.560 down opinions on Israel favorable or unfavorable by demographic as 1991 01:49:44.640 --> 01:49:48.960 you would expect. More Republicans like Israel to Democrats. That 1992 01:49:49.439 --> 01:49:52.359 you know, goes back to Carter and Reagan. Don't need 1993 01:49:52.399 --> 01:49:56.239 to get into that, but the divide on age is 1994 01:49:56.600 --> 01:50:01.199 rather sharp, and they put it at fifty basically that 1995 01:50:01.279 --> 01:50:04.560 the majority of self described Republicans have unfavorable views of 1996 01:50:04.720 --> 01:50:08.720 of Israel. It's a pretty dramatic majority. It's nearing sixty 1997 01:50:08.800 --> 01:50:12.279 percent obviously, you know when you count that fifty plus, 1998 01:50:12.319 --> 01:50:14.680 which is the majority of the Republican Party, of course, 1999 01:50:14.760 --> 01:50:19.439 so it's you know, more heavily weighted that shifts. And 2000 01:50:19.560 --> 01:50:23.399 this is what I've seen anecdotally is that my friends 2001 01:50:23.520 --> 01:50:26.159 and peers, and sure some of them are like me, 2002 01:50:26.319 --> 01:50:30.760 political nutcases, but most aren't. They're just kind of normal guys. 2003 01:50:31.560 --> 01:50:36.640 Are by the standards of the ADL, extremely anti Semitic. 2004 01:50:37.439 --> 01:50:40.079 And is that personal right? Are they going to their 2005 01:50:40.079 --> 01:50:42.039 accountant's house with a burning cross? 2006 01:50:42.199 --> 01:50:42.840 No, not at all. 2007 01:50:42.960 --> 01:50:46.359 It's not that sort of quote unquote anti Semitism. 2008 01:50:46.760 --> 01:50:47.119 It is a. 2009 01:50:49.079 --> 01:50:52.920 To put it mildly, and aversion to our relationship to 2010 01:50:53.039 --> 01:50:56.079 the State of Israel. And one of the long term 2011 01:50:56.199 --> 01:51:00.960 struggles of the Republican Party. First we saw the sort 2012 01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:05.600 of Maga revolution, right, and the problem with that from 2013 01:51:05.720 --> 01:51:09.840 sort of a a political view is that it's sort 2014 01:51:09.880 --> 01:51:11.840 of a cult to personality. Right, it's tied up in 2015 01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:15.720 one man, Donald Trump. And look like, if you study 2016 01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:18.760 your history, you understand this is a repeat thing. Right, 2017 01:51:19.439 --> 01:51:22.760 movements tend to be led by one man. But you know, 2018 01:51:22.920 --> 01:51:25.880 just given the kind of limitations of current American politics, 2019 01:51:26.239 --> 01:51:28.600 at some point, Donald Trump is not going to be 2020 01:51:28.680 --> 01:51:30.880 around anymore. He's either going to retire or he's going 2021 01:51:30.960 --> 01:51:33.520 to pass away. He's, you know, an old man. So 2022 01:51:33.640 --> 01:51:36.720 the question was always, well, you know, what becomes of 2023 01:51:36.800 --> 01:51:40.920 this project after him? Right, what becomes of Maga or 2024 01:51:41.000 --> 01:51:43.279 this kind of marriage of Mega and the Republican Party. 2025 01:51:43.880 --> 01:51:47.399 And one of the really shall we say, interesting dynamics 2026 01:51:47.439 --> 01:51:50.359 in twenty four was that men under thirty swung hard 2027 01:51:50.439 --> 01:51:53.000 for Trump. Right in certain states, they were, you know, 2028 01:51:53.119 --> 01:51:55.239 the deciding factor. It's been two years. Forgive me, I 2029 01:51:55.279 --> 01:51:57.600 don't remember all my electoral maps. But this was a 2030 01:51:57.720 --> 01:52:01.960 well reported upon, you know, feature of that election, and 2031 01:52:02.079 --> 01:52:05.439 it was recognized by Democrats to such a degree that 2032 01:52:05.479 --> 01:52:08.760 they started dumping a lot of money into right Harry Sissan, others, 2033 01:52:08.800 --> 01:52:11.880 these kind of like mega or not MAGA sorry, like DNC, 2034 01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:15.920 you know, TikTok influencers who you know. I'm not on TikTok. 2035 01:52:15.960 --> 01:52:17.840 I don't understand it, but I see some bleed over. 2036 01:52:18.199 --> 01:52:22.880 But also you may remember that rather uh, how would 2037 01:52:22.920 --> 01:52:27.960 you say this, kindly uh, rather well built Hispanic woman 2038 01:52:28.479 --> 01:52:30.560 that the DMC brought in as their sort of like, 2039 01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:33.880 you know, ambassador to young men. She was going around 2040 01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:36.840 to like uh, you know, frat parties and things like that. 2041 01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:39.319 It went about as well as you would imagine. So 2042 01:52:39.439 --> 01:52:41.479 it was incompetent, but at the very at least there 2043 01:52:41.560 --> 01:52:44.720 was a reaction. There's a recognition that this group has shifted. 2044 01:52:45.279 --> 01:52:48.399 If we, you know, assume normal trends that people tend 2045 01:52:48.439 --> 01:52:51.159 to become more conservatives they age. If this group is 2046 01:52:51.279 --> 01:52:54.279 already you know, a strong leader for you know, a 2047 01:52:54.359 --> 01:52:56.880 strong sort of support of GOP, that will create problems. 2048 01:52:56.920 --> 01:53:00.439 We need to hit that off. And that firstwhile effort 2049 01:53:00.560 --> 01:53:03.920 was not successful quite simply just due to you know, 2050 01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:05.800 the last ten years of you know, kind of like 2051 01:53:05.880 --> 01:53:09.199 woke racial guilt politics. You know, this sort of extreme 2052 01:53:09.239 --> 01:53:14.720 miss injury. It wasn't really working. But and it's not 2053 01:53:15.119 --> 01:53:17.159 just this, but it is a part of it. This 2054 01:53:17.279 --> 01:53:21.279 sort of salavish devotion, uh to the state of Israel 2055 01:53:21.399 --> 01:53:26.319 has really alienated those people. And okay, sure, in many cases, 2056 01:53:26.520 --> 01:53:29.600 is it you know, the most aeradyite kind of John 2057 01:53:29.680 --> 01:53:33.920 Jay Meersheimer, you know, breaking down, you know, the power politics. No, 2058 01:53:34.159 --> 01:53:38.159 it's gut level, it's instinctual. It's wrong in certain you know, 2059 01:53:38.319 --> 01:53:43.199 provable factual instances. But people feel as if they were 2060 01:53:43.279 --> 01:53:47.359 sold America first. They were sold you know, fixing our 2061 01:53:47.439 --> 01:53:50.880 domestic problems, and what they got was a bunch of 2062 01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:54.239 court cases. You know, things got wrapped up by the judiciary, which, okay, 2063 01:53:54.319 --> 01:53:58.279 fair enough, isn't necessarily the president or the Republican Party's 2064 01:53:58.279 --> 01:54:04.479 fault per se. And a huge shift to effectively neocon 2065 01:54:04.560 --> 01:54:07.359 foreign wars. Right time is a flat circle. It's two 2066 01:54:07.399 --> 01:54:10.359 thousand and six all over again. Nothing has changed. 2067 01:54:11.119 --> 01:54:15.000 And when you ran, when you won effectively as a 2068 01:54:15.039 --> 01:54:19.640 protest candidate, as someone who said everything that's going on now, 2069 01:54:20.000 --> 01:54:22.199 whether it's you know, and a lot of it was 2070 01:54:22.680 --> 01:54:27.119 the domestic excesses of the woke left, the trans kids, 2071 01:54:27.319 --> 01:54:30.399 you know, the BLM stuff, the feeling that we have 2072 01:54:31.199 --> 01:54:33.880 a demented old man at the head of this country, 2073 01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:36.720 you know, throwing out you know, insane policies. 2074 01:54:38.079 --> 01:54:40.920 I don't want that to stop. And you know, Trump 2075 01:54:41.039 --> 01:54:44.960 came in with a large group of kind of disparate 2076 01:54:45.079 --> 01:54:47.880 people you can think of, you know, Kennedy, you know, 2077 01:54:47.960 --> 01:54:49.880 the kind of podcast circuit, all of these people who 2078 01:54:49.880 --> 01:54:53.840 aren't necessarily natural Republicans per se to borrow a phrase 2079 01:54:53.880 --> 01:54:57.720 from Reagan. Well, okay, sure that was going to be 2080 01:54:57.800 --> 01:55:02.119 difficult to keep together. But seemingly every single one of 2081 01:55:02.520 --> 01:55:08.279 those secondary issues has fallen by the wayside for foreign policy. 2082 01:55:08.920 --> 01:55:13.159 And sure, foreign policy doesn't necessarily matter a ton of 2083 01:55:13.239 --> 01:55:17.000 elections directly, right, it doesn't matter. Like to be honest, 2084 01:55:17.039 --> 01:55:19.479 I think most people, especially most right leaning people, are 2085 01:55:20.680 --> 01:55:24.880 relatively ambivalent on this war. But the problem is the perception, 2086 01:55:25.199 --> 01:55:27.800 if we can use that term, that this is the 2087 01:55:27.920 --> 01:55:32.199 highest priority, right, this is the actual purpose of everything, 2088 01:55:32.520 --> 01:55:35.720 because all of those other secondary priorities have bent for 2089 01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:39.920 this one. If foreign you know, ally quote unquote. 2090 01:55:39.840 --> 01:55:41.199 Jake let me let me, let me interrupt you for 2091 01:55:41.239 --> 01:55:42.720 a second. No, it's okay, let me because I'm gonna 2092 01:55:42.720 --> 01:55:46.640 ask you something. As you've just explained, you know, from 2093 01:55:46.680 --> 01:55:49.279 a from a from a political standpoint, what is you 2094 01:55:49.560 --> 01:55:53.600 how do you feel watching these this war unfold like 2095 01:55:53.800 --> 01:55:55.920 you as a as a married and you know as 2096 01:55:55.920 --> 01:55:59.039 a husband, as a young man, what are your thoughts 2097 01:55:59.119 --> 01:55:59.279 on it? 2098 01:56:01.800 --> 01:56:05.600 Well? Look, uh so I just want to from the 2099 01:56:06.039 --> 01:56:08.479 very beginning say, this is a very difficult war to 2100 01:56:08.640 --> 01:56:11.920 get any information on. We don't have any embedded reporters, 2101 01:56:12.800 --> 01:56:17.000 and everyone is lying. The propaganda I'm sorry, I mean 2102 01:56:17.000 --> 01:56:18.800 to cut out. The propaganda is wild. 2103 01:56:18.880 --> 01:56:20.800 Right now. Did you see a video going around this morning, 2104 01:56:21.319 --> 01:56:22.079 the Lego video. 2105 01:56:22.279 --> 01:56:24.079 No I didn't. 2106 01:56:24.479 --> 01:56:27.039 Oh I should have sent it to you before. I mean, 2107 01:56:27.039 --> 01:56:28.640 it's another one of these. You've seen a few of them. 2108 01:56:28.640 --> 01:56:30.960 They've been putting them out periodically. There was another one 2109 01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:32.640 that came out. I don't know, maybe it was last night, 2110 01:56:32.680 --> 01:56:34.000 but I saw it first thing this morning when I 2111 01:56:34.039 --> 01:56:36.399 got up, and it's another one of the Trump Israel. 2112 01:56:37.199 --> 01:56:40.920 It's wild. It's like two minutes long. I mean it. 2113 01:56:41.479 --> 01:56:43.159 I don't know who's making these things. They claim it's 2114 01:56:43.159 --> 01:56:46.279 from Iran, but who knows. But to your point, you 2115 01:56:46.279 --> 01:56:48.199 don't know where this is coming from and who's putting 2116 01:56:48.199 --> 01:56:48.680 it out and. 2117 01:56:50.439 --> 01:56:55.960 Right, so there is as you probably garnered from this 2118 01:56:56.119 --> 01:57:00.199 discussion so far. I'm not the biggest fan of of 2119 01:57:00.279 --> 01:57:03.600 Israel or the Lecud party, but I want to be 2120 01:57:03.720 --> 01:57:12.319 cautious because there is a pattern of sort of crowing 2121 01:57:12.640 --> 01:57:17.840 over the defeat of you know, the American military and 2122 01:57:17.920 --> 01:57:21.279 of Israel. It is not necessarily honest. So for instance, 2123 01:57:21.439 --> 01:57:25.239 you have things like actually this this raid to save 2124 01:57:25.279 --> 01:57:28.840 a down to pilot, which we don't really know anything about. 2125 01:57:29.279 --> 01:57:30.920 But the tweet that went around. 2126 01:57:30.880 --> 01:57:34.279 Was can I say sorry? That makes no sense to me. 2127 01:57:34.359 --> 01:57:36.640 I haven't talked about this on here yet from what 2128 01:57:36.720 --> 01:57:39.079 I understand, and I could be wrong that he hiked 2129 01:57:39.119 --> 01:57:42.520 seven thousand feet after crashing a plane on a broken leg. 2130 01:57:43.039 --> 01:57:46.039 Now I've hiked three thousand feet before. I'm not as 2131 01:57:46.079 --> 01:57:47.880 fit as a pilot, but I also didn't crash a 2132 01:57:47.920 --> 01:57:50.600 plane before I did it. And three thousand feet. I 2133 01:57:50.640 --> 01:57:53.239 went from ninety five hundred to twelve thousand, five hundred 2134 01:57:54.479 --> 01:57:57.720 on a mountain in Arizona. It's hard. A thousand feet 2135 01:57:57.800 --> 01:58:00.119 is hard, and these are well, travel trails that I 2136 01:58:00.239 --> 01:58:04.880 was on very populated, you know, groomed for hiking. So 2137 01:58:05.000 --> 01:58:07.159 I'm having a hard time buying the story about this 2138 01:58:07.319 --> 01:58:12.199 pilot seven thousand feet crashing a plane three thousand feet 2139 01:58:12.199 --> 01:58:17.000 So that's a hard hike. Sorry, no, no, not at all. 2140 01:58:17.039 --> 01:58:21.840 And there's there's a point to what you're saying. I'm 2141 01:58:21.880 --> 01:58:23.159 not the guy to talk to on that. I've not 2142 01:58:23.279 --> 01:58:25.680 done a ton of research. I'm merely using this as 2143 01:58:25.800 --> 01:58:28.920 sort of a prop, if you will, to explore this 2144 01:58:29.000 --> 01:58:32.640 point where it's like, look like that from the like 2145 01:58:33.439 --> 01:58:37.079 maximally anti Israel, anti American position, you have people saying like, oh, 2146 01:58:37.560 --> 01:58:40.920 you know, you idiots. You know this plane got shot down. 2147 01:58:41.159 --> 01:58:44.520 All the planes of America are getting shot down, and 2148 01:58:44.640 --> 01:58:46.760 how they wasted all this money to go grab a guy. 2149 01:58:49.199 --> 01:58:51.159 I mean, man, I don't know. It seems like this 2150 01:58:51.319 --> 01:58:54.880 war isn't going great, just from the perspective of, well, 2151 01:58:55.720 --> 01:58:58.680 are people clamoring to take credit or are they looking 2152 01:58:58.720 --> 01:59:01.119 to blame other people? Seems as if they're looking to 2153 01:59:01.199 --> 01:59:04.680 attribute plame. Wh's just from a human behavior standpoint indicates 2154 01:59:04.720 --> 01:59:07.439 to me this isn't some sort of soaring success. But 2155 01:59:07.560 --> 01:59:11.680 at the same time, look like we're fighting a real 2156 01:59:11.800 --> 01:59:15.920 country with real air defenses and a real government. Like 2157 01:59:16.920 --> 01:59:20.600 do I think that's good? No, But on balance, it 2158 01:59:20.720 --> 01:59:23.680 seems as if our planes are doing relatively well. They're 2159 01:59:23.720 --> 01:59:25.720 not raining out of the sky like it's you know, 2160 01:59:26.359 --> 01:59:31.359 footage from World War Two. So I want to admit that, like, 2161 01:59:31.600 --> 01:59:33.760 not all of the coverage we were seeing is honest 2162 01:59:33.920 --> 01:59:37.720 or true or fairly sees what we're fairly portrays what 2163 01:59:38.159 --> 01:59:40.880 is possibly because again that's the other part. We don't 2164 01:59:40.880 --> 01:59:43.760 really have, you know, sort of a divine like a 2165 01:59:43.880 --> 01:59:46.680 plumb line on this. But I will say, big picture, 2166 01:59:46.880 --> 01:59:50.680 what I'm feeling is sort of what I joked about earlier, 2167 01:59:50.800 --> 01:59:53.960 right time is a flat circle like this, you know, 2168 01:59:55.239 --> 01:59:59.199 decade and a half process to kick the neo cons out, 2169 01:59:59.439 --> 02:00:04.479 to get away from the conservatism. The governance of George W. 2170 02:00:04.680 --> 02:00:09.640 Bush has failed, or at least it's deeply, deeply imperiled. 2171 02:00:10.119 --> 02:00:13.920 Because look like the anti War Coalition wasn't the biggest 2172 02:00:14.079 --> 02:00:17.159 part of MAGA, but you can trace a direct line 2173 02:00:17.279 --> 02:00:22.199 from anti Bush to the Tea Party to the roots 2174 02:00:22.239 --> 02:00:25.680 of MAGA. It was people who basically said, I want 2175 02:00:25.760 --> 02:00:30.600 a government run for my benefit, an America first government, 2176 02:00:31.319 --> 02:00:37.680 and when government officials, Rubio, Trump himself and others have 2177 02:00:37.880 --> 02:00:42.319 basically said, well, Israel sort of forced us into this, right, 2178 02:00:42.439 --> 02:00:45.039 we didn't want to do it, but you know the 2179 02:00:45.199 --> 02:00:47.520 exact reason why. But they basically, you know, put down 2180 02:00:47.520 --> 02:00:50.439 an ultimatum and so we felt like we had to. Well, 2181 02:00:50.479 --> 02:00:53.039 it doesn't feel like an America first government, right. That 2182 02:00:53.159 --> 02:00:57.640 feels as if the priorities of a foreign nation, excuse me, 2183 02:00:58.119 --> 02:01:05.920 rank higher than domestic ones. That naturally rankles people. You 2184 02:01:06.000 --> 02:01:09.079 see this as well in the response to you know, 2185 02:01:09.279 --> 02:01:13.720 the Joe Kent resignation. I assume everyone's heard about it. 2186 02:01:13.840 --> 02:01:17.600 Basically Joe Kent, leader of some office in DNI for 2187 02:01:17.720 --> 02:01:22.279 counter terrorism, resigned basically said, you know, I can no 2188 02:01:22.399 --> 02:01:25.199 longer continue with this war. Seems as if you know, 2189 02:01:25.520 --> 02:01:29.600 Israel goddess into this, and okay, you can believe him, 2190 02:01:29.840 --> 02:01:32.199 you cannot believe him. You can think Joe Kent is 2191 02:01:32.239 --> 02:01:36.880 a rat bastard, you can think he's an American hero. Realistically, 2192 02:01:37.039 --> 02:01:39.479 does that matter? Right, He's a minor d and I 2193 02:01:39.600 --> 02:01:43.560 official from an office that before now, like I guarantee you, 2194 02:01:43.720 --> 02:01:46.640 neither you nor I knew about or could name you 2195 02:01:46.720 --> 02:01:51.039 another director of that position. Right. But the response from 2196 02:01:52.159 --> 02:01:56.119 the sort of Zionist aligned media is telling you have 2197 02:01:56.600 --> 02:02:03.119 Alan Doshowitz noted massage enthusiast freaking out, absolutely losing his mind. 2198 02:02:03.399 --> 02:02:05.560 This piece on substack. You can read where he calls, 2199 02:02:05.800 --> 02:02:10.279 you know, Joe Kent, you know, an anti Semite, Jew hating, 2200 02:02:11.239 --> 02:02:14.960 neo Nazi Nazi lover, and you're like, well, okay, man, 2201 02:02:15.399 --> 02:02:17.520 he didn't say anything much Jews at all. He didn't, 2202 02:02:18.159 --> 02:02:20.600 you know, use ugly or a piece of racial language. 2203 02:02:22.560 --> 02:02:26.159 I haven't really heard any stories about Joe Kent making 2204 02:02:26.199 --> 02:02:29.039 an extracurricular trip down to Argentina to you know, hang 2205 02:02:29.079 --> 02:02:31.840 out with some hundred year old guys. To me, that 2206 02:02:32.000 --> 02:02:36.159 seems unhinged. It seems insane. And when you're seeing it 2207 02:02:36.279 --> 02:02:39.439 from other figures like Mark Levin, who's been heavily boosted 2208 02:02:39.479 --> 02:02:43.840 by the President a number of times, effectively frothing at 2209 02:02:43.880 --> 02:02:48.119 the mouth, you know, calling for blood, it seems kind 2210 02:02:48.119 --> 02:02:50.600 of insane. And it seems especially insane, and you're like, 2211 02:02:50.640 --> 02:02:53.359 wait a minute, well, why don't you care this much 2212 02:02:53.359 --> 02:02:57.039 about my stuff, the stuff that I voted for you 2213 02:02:57.159 --> 02:02:59.800 to do as a citizen of this country first and foremost. 2214 02:03:00.159 --> 02:03:02.800 That seems as if that's the deal. And look, I'm 2215 02:03:02.800 --> 02:03:06.600 not ideological about this. I understand corruption is sort of 2216 02:03:06.640 --> 02:03:10.119 a fact of America, a fact of political organization period. 2217 02:03:10.680 --> 02:03:14.640 You know, our leaders are you know, ultimately you know, human, 2218 02:03:14.760 --> 02:03:18.000 and you know they have their moral failings. But it 2219 02:03:18.079 --> 02:03:24.960 seems as if a request for h the leaders of 2220 02:03:25.000 --> 02:03:27.880 my country to be primarily concerned with the running of 2221 02:03:27.960 --> 02:03:30.760 my country, I mean that seems kind of reasonable. You know, 2222 02:03:30.800 --> 02:03:32.600 I'm not even asking for you to be this sort 2223 02:03:32.640 --> 02:03:35.640 of like wise philosopher king, just to care more about 2224 02:03:35.720 --> 02:03:40.000 me than some other country. And when you combine that 2225 02:03:40.640 --> 02:03:43.279 with you know, the fact that another big reason that 2226 02:03:43.319 --> 02:03:46.359 Trump was elected is because you know, Biden's economy was 2227 02:03:46.840 --> 02:03:49.399 was awful. It felt hopeless, It felt as if, you know, 2228 02:03:49.479 --> 02:03:53.319 everyone was kind of you know, losing. You know that 2229 02:03:53.439 --> 02:03:57.199 people were getting poor. And not only has the economy 2230 02:03:57.600 --> 02:04:00.920 not gotten better, but the result of this war have 2231 02:04:01.079 --> 02:04:03.439 made it worse. Right, the strait of horm moves might 2232 02:04:03.640 --> 02:04:06.439 or might not be open right now. It's sort of unclear. 2233 02:04:06.479 --> 02:04:10.039 We're in the middle of this like bizarre maybe cease 2234 02:04:10.119 --> 02:04:13.239 fire maybe not again. The reporting on this has been 2235 02:04:13.319 --> 02:04:18.119 really difficult, But fundamentally, when you you know, you sort 2236 02:04:18.119 --> 02:04:20.840 of run on a like I'll make everything stop sucking 2237 02:04:21.000 --> 02:04:25.159 so much, and you do things that materially make people's 2238 02:04:25.199 --> 02:04:29.600 lives harder. For instance, we've all seen gas prices shoot up. Well, okay, 2239 02:04:30.039 --> 02:04:32.000 does you know the lady who works at the local 2240 02:04:32.039 --> 02:04:35.239 cracker barrel? Does she care about the fact that the 2241 02:04:35.319 --> 02:04:38.840 new Ayatola may or may not be gay? Or does 2242 02:04:38.880 --> 02:04:41.520 she even know what the IRGC is? Probably not, she 2243 02:04:41.640 --> 02:04:44.079 doesn't care. And if she voted for Donald Trump, it 2244 02:04:44.199 --> 02:04:47.439 was to make things better. And when things are getting worse, 2245 02:04:47.720 --> 02:04:51.720 and things aren't getting worse due to you know, for instance, 2246 02:04:51.760 --> 02:04:54.239 a free hurricane or just you know, the way that 2247 02:04:54.319 --> 02:04:56.880 the global economy is going, but because of an active 2248 02:04:57.000 --> 02:05:00.520 choice to do something you promised not to on behalf 2249 02:05:00.680 --> 02:05:03.640 of a foreign alleged ally you still have to look 2250 02:05:03.640 --> 02:05:06.399 around and you're like, wait a minute, what was the point, right? 2251 02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:10.279 What was the reason that I, you know, colored in 2252 02:05:10.359 --> 02:05:13.800 that little bubble? And so I think for many people 2253 02:05:15.439 --> 02:05:19.119 it feels as if, right, we tried to do what 2254 02:05:19.239 --> 02:05:21.840 we were supposed to do, right, vote the bums out, 2255 02:05:22.800 --> 02:05:26.479 And very similar thing happened in twenty sixteen, albeit you know, 2256 02:05:26.760 --> 02:05:29.319 at sort of a lower level of amplitude, and at 2257 02:05:29.439 --> 02:05:32.319 least the first time around, you could kind of look 2258 02:05:32.359 --> 02:05:34.439 at it and say, you know what, Well, you know, 2259 02:05:34.520 --> 02:05:36.520 they tried all this stuff. They tried to impeach him, 2260 02:05:36.520 --> 02:05:38.880 they tried to they kept him tied down so we 2261 02:05:38.960 --> 02:05:41.720 couldn't do all that stuff, and they hated him so 2262 02:05:41.840 --> 02:05:44.000 much they cheated to get him out. You believe that 2263 02:05:44.159 --> 02:05:46.640 I happened to. But so there was a story there, 2264 02:05:46.800 --> 02:05:49.039 There was something that you could say, well, you know what, 2265 02:05:49.199 --> 02:05:51.800 this is why pulling the lever didn't do what it 2266 02:05:51.880 --> 02:05:54.319 was supposed to do. And I think what makes this 2267 02:05:54.399 --> 02:05:58.119 one particularly cruel is for that first six months to 2268 02:05:58.199 --> 02:06:01.279 a year, seemed as if it was work right. We 2269 02:06:01.359 --> 02:06:04.560 had Doge going around, you know, draining the swamp right, 2270 02:06:04.920 --> 02:06:07.479 you know, getting rid of all this fraud. And sure, 2271 02:06:07.840 --> 02:06:10.359 you know, there were this kind of flurry of executive 2272 02:06:10.439 --> 02:06:12.680 orders and judicial stays going back and forth, but it 2273 02:06:12.760 --> 02:06:16.600 felt as if something was happening right, they were making 2274 02:06:16.640 --> 02:06:19.359 a good effort of it. And then you know, naturally 2275 02:06:19.439 --> 02:06:23.000 the momentum starts to slow. Fair enough, you had Operation 2276 02:06:23.119 --> 02:06:26.239 Midnight Hammer, which made a lot of splash on Twitter. 2277 02:06:26.359 --> 02:06:29.199 I don't think it really mattered for real people. It 2278 02:06:29.279 --> 02:06:31.800 was so short, and it was like, okay, I guess 2279 02:06:31.920 --> 02:06:38.520 we blew up their nuclear program. Who knows either way? Right, whatever, Okay, 2280 02:06:39.479 --> 02:06:42.720 But then when it feels as if that momentum, that 2281 02:06:42.840 --> 02:06:46.640 positive sentiment has run out, you know, you're you're dealing 2282 02:06:46.760 --> 02:06:51.960 with like real domestic issues and the entire focus has 2283 02:06:52.039 --> 02:06:57.520 shifted to the exact sort of foreign policy that ten 2284 02:06:57.600 --> 02:07:01.119 years ago Donald Trump was criticizing. Right, he was making 2285 02:07:01.279 --> 02:07:05.000 fun of the other Republican candidates in twenty fifteen in 2286 02:07:05.119 --> 02:07:08.000 a way that shot him to popularity, right, making fun 2287 02:07:08.079 --> 02:07:10.319 of Jeb Bush. You know, you can go back to 2288 02:07:10.359 --> 02:07:14.439 the tweets Ruth's criticizing Obama, and so to me, you know, 2289 02:07:14.560 --> 02:07:17.960 even aside from how well is this war going, are we, 2290 02:07:18.199 --> 02:07:21.399 you know, kicking ass and taking names? Are we kicking ass? 2291 02:07:21.560 --> 02:07:24.840 Taking names and then creating further problems? Is it a debacle? 2292 02:07:25.439 --> 02:07:28.640 Who knows? But I think that the real problem and 2293 02:07:28.680 --> 02:07:30.039 the real problem for a lot of people, and the 2294 02:07:30.119 --> 02:07:33.600 reason that you see support from you know, young men 2295 02:07:34.840 --> 02:07:38.640 just absolutely disintegrated right in the raw aggregate. I believe 2296 02:07:38.840 --> 02:07:41.359 Trump's under thirty approval on his first day and office 2297 02:07:41.399 --> 02:07:46.000 was negative one, which, okay, that's still negative but compare 2298 02:07:46.079 --> 02:07:50.760 that to other Republican presidents. Right, that's a win. It's 2299 02:07:50.840 --> 02:07:55.000 now deep into the double digits negative, right, very very unpopular. 2300 02:07:55.880 --> 02:07:59.279 And so do you do do you go alongside with that? Jay? 2301 02:07:59.560 --> 02:08:01.279 I mean? And if you don't mind asking, and I 2302 02:08:01.319 --> 02:08:01.920 think I asked. 2303 02:08:01.800 --> 02:08:04.439 You before, how do you Yeah? I am twenty six, 2304 02:08:04.520 --> 02:08:05.880 so I'm right at the top end of gend. 2305 02:08:06.199 --> 02:08:08.760 Do you feel like you're accurate with that reading? 2306 02:08:08.920 --> 02:08:09.119 I mean? 2307 02:08:09.199 --> 02:08:10.119 Is that how you personally do? 2308 02:08:10.840 --> 02:08:12.880 I do? And as we said last time, this is 2309 02:08:13.039 --> 02:08:17.119 heavily dependent on sex. Right, women are, especially gen Z 2310 02:08:17.239 --> 02:08:20.319 women are much the left of men. And what I 2311 02:08:20.359 --> 02:08:22.560 also don't think is going to happen is that the 2312 02:08:22.680 --> 02:08:26.800 Democrats are going to win young white men. They aren't 2313 02:08:27.079 --> 02:08:29.479 for any number of reasons. But what I think we're 2314 02:08:29.520 --> 02:08:33.520 going to see is what we've seen time and time again, 2315 02:08:33.800 --> 02:08:37.680 which is that conservative aligned voters just stay home, they 2316 02:08:37.760 --> 02:08:40.760 don't show up. You're seeing that in kind of down 2317 02:08:40.840 --> 02:08:44.680 ballot races across the nation. And what's frustrating to me 2318 02:08:44.800 --> 02:08:49.720 is taking setting aside my feelings about this because, as 2319 02:08:49.760 --> 02:08:51.800 I've said before, not a huge fan of the State 2320 02:08:51.800 --> 02:08:56.239 of Israel for any number of reasons, but Okay, setting 2321 02:08:56.279 --> 02:09:00.239 that aside, the political calculation here is baffling to me 2322 02:09:01.239 --> 02:09:05.239 on on its face, because look like setting aside this, 2323 02:09:05.399 --> 02:09:10.439 setting aside, you know, gas prices or anything else, the 2324 02:09:10.560 --> 02:09:14.079 president had a pretty narrow gap to shoot. It's probably 2325 02:09:14.119 --> 02:09:17.800 going to lose the House, but had a decent chance 2326 02:09:17.840 --> 02:09:20.479 of keeping the Senate. Why does that matter? Well, one, 2327 02:09:20.840 --> 02:09:23.720 you know, so he doesn't just get stuck doing nothing forever, 2328 02:09:24.079 --> 02:09:28.359 vetoing you know, pants on heads, retarded bills and getting 2329 02:09:28.399 --> 02:09:34.359 nothing done. But also, let's be honest, the Democrats want 2330 02:09:34.439 --> 02:09:37.439 to impeach him. It've been very clear about that, and 2331 02:09:37.600 --> 02:09:41.319 not only impeach him, but prosecute him and his friends. 2332 02:09:41.479 --> 02:09:45.439 You've heard this rallying cry for certainly the last year, 2333 02:09:45.520 --> 02:09:48.920 but even before that. I see no reason to disbelieve that. 2334 02:09:49.840 --> 02:09:55.319 And so to me, that is really why the midterms matter, 2335 02:09:55.880 --> 02:10:00.479 because you know, it's effectively a really decent shot of 2336 02:10:00.760 --> 02:10:03.720 you know, Donald Trump, Trump being impeached and people around 2337 02:10:03.800 --> 02:10:06.680 him facing jail time. And so, you know, I and 2338 02:10:06.760 --> 02:10:09.760 naively assumed that people would be, if nothing else, at 2339 02:10:09.880 --> 02:10:14.600 least self interested enough to avoid that. Right, you know, 2340 02:10:14.760 --> 02:10:16.479 I don't want to be impeached. I don't want to 2341 02:10:16.520 --> 02:10:18.720 go to jail. I don't want to, you know, be 2342 02:10:18.880 --> 02:10:21.680 under the thumb of you know, figures like Letitia James, 2343 02:10:21.800 --> 02:10:26.000 who you know, I believe suit him for five hundred 2344 02:10:26.840 --> 02:10:29.640 four hundred, five hundred and forty four million dollars right 2345 02:10:29.640 --> 02:10:32.279 to some kind of absurd, astronomical sum for you know, 2346 02:10:33.000 --> 02:10:36.199 something that his accountant maybe should have gotten fined for. Whatever. 2347 02:10:36.640 --> 02:10:40.319 The point is like, that is a very real fear, right, 2348 02:10:40.359 --> 02:10:44.720 that is a very real consequence. And also we are 2349 02:10:44.760 --> 02:10:50.079 also dealing with is shattering any chances of MAGA becoming 2350 02:10:50.119 --> 02:10:54.000 a multi generational product. We spoke last time about the 2351 02:10:54.439 --> 02:10:58.319 you know, the sort of dire economic circumstances where many 2352 02:10:58.359 --> 02:11:01.000 young people also feel as if they're getting screwed over 2353 02:11:01.560 --> 02:11:04.680 to sort of pad the retirement of baby boomers. And 2354 02:11:04.760 --> 02:11:08.199 when you combine that with you know, figures like Lindsay 2355 02:11:08.239 --> 02:11:10.640 Graham saying, you know, I feel as if my highest 2356 02:11:10.680 --> 02:11:13.000 political goal is to go back to South Carolina and 2357 02:11:13.119 --> 02:11:15.640 convince them to send their daughters and sons to die 2358 02:11:15.680 --> 02:11:18.039 in the Middle East. You're like, well, wait a minute, 2359 02:11:18.560 --> 02:11:21.520 I'm one of those sons, you know, I'm you know, 2360 02:11:21.840 --> 02:11:24.520 I guess currently depending on this is another news story 2361 02:11:24.560 --> 02:11:27.199 I was very difficult to verify if the age of 2362 02:11:27.960 --> 02:11:31.039 selective service has been increased or not. Who knows. But 2363 02:11:31.159 --> 02:11:33.800 the fact that that story went incredibly viral and I had, 2364 02:11:34.359 --> 02:11:36.960 you know, my friends basically walking up to me shilling 2365 02:11:37.000 --> 02:11:38.560 their phone and they're like, is this true? And I'm like, 2366 02:11:38.640 --> 02:11:41.239 I have no idea indicates right that there is a 2367 02:11:41.279 --> 02:11:43.119 lot of anxiety around that, a lot of feeling like 2368 02:11:43.119 --> 02:11:43.680 wait a minute. 2369 02:11:45.119 --> 02:11:47.840 So I don't mean it could interrupt you're right there, 2370 02:11:47.880 --> 02:11:50.000 but like, so, I'm glad you bring this up because 2371 02:11:50.119 --> 02:11:52.560 it's the automatic registration, I believe, right, Isn't that what 2372 02:11:52.680 --> 02:11:54.520 the isn't that? What's the Do you know what the 2373 02:11:54.560 --> 02:11:56.239 age rage is on that? Uh? 2374 02:11:56.760 --> 02:12:00.840 At least as far as I know currently, it is 2375 02:12:01.119 --> 02:12:03.960 eighteen twenty six, But there have been news stories. I 2376 02:12:04.600 --> 02:12:07.640 have not verified this, so it is a rumor going 2377 02:12:07.720 --> 02:12:10.439 around that that has or will be raised to thirty two. 2378 02:12:11.560 --> 02:12:15.319 Who knows if that's true or not. But the fact 2379 02:12:15.399 --> 02:12:18.079 that I have people in my normal life, right, guys 2380 02:12:18.119 --> 02:12:20.159 who are in that you know, twenty six to thirty 2381 02:12:20.159 --> 02:12:22.199 two age bracket saying like, hey, did you see this? 2382 02:12:23.439 --> 02:12:25.680 I mean to me, that indicates that people are worried 2383 02:12:25.680 --> 02:12:27.479 about it. They feel as if like, wait a minute, 2384 02:12:27.520 --> 02:12:30.239 am I not only getting screwed because I can't buy 2385 02:12:30.279 --> 02:12:33.159 a house or I can't you know, get a decent 2386 02:12:33.239 --> 02:12:37.239 paying job, but also, now you know, you, Lindsey Graham, 2387 02:12:37.279 --> 02:12:41.039 expect me to go fight some sort of ill conceived war. 2388 02:12:41.640 --> 02:12:45.039 And again, I don't think there will ever be another 2389 02:12:45.199 --> 02:12:47.800 Vietnam style draft for a whole number of different reasons. 2390 02:12:48.159 --> 02:12:51.279 I don't think it's politically viable. But at the same time, 2391 02:12:52.279 --> 02:12:55.560 the fact that anecdotally people are worried about it, people 2392 02:12:55.600 --> 02:12:56.439 were concerned about it. 2393 02:12:56.479 --> 02:12:58.479 Are you, Jay means that are you worried about it? 2394 02:12:58.720 --> 02:12:59.720 Person? Uh? 2395 02:13:00.039 --> 02:13:00.279 Person? 2396 02:13:00.319 --> 02:13:03.039 Only know because I genuinely don't think there will be 2397 02:13:03.079 --> 02:13:06.359 another draft for a number of reasons. I also don't 2398 02:13:06.399 --> 02:13:10.800 think a land invasion of Iran is just geographically possible. 2399 02:13:10.960 --> 02:13:12.840 It would be very difficult for us to do that, 2400 02:13:13.880 --> 02:13:16.880 and so I could be wrong. I hope I'm right, 2401 02:13:17.439 --> 02:13:19.359 But to me, I view that as more of kind 2402 02:13:19.359 --> 02:13:24.399 of a leading indicator of generally felt anxiety, right of 2403 02:13:24.479 --> 02:13:26.439 feeling like, wait a minute, I'm getting set up for 2404 02:13:26.600 --> 02:13:29.560 something else that's gonna screw me over. And I think 2405 02:13:29.680 --> 02:13:31.399 that's the feeling of a lot of people of like, 2406 02:13:32.560 --> 02:13:35.199 not only did everything stay the same, right, did it 2407 02:13:35.319 --> 02:13:39.800 just continue to be kind of shitty? But now this, right, 2408 02:13:39.880 --> 02:13:43.720 you're adding another thing onto it. And at least from 2409 02:13:43.760 --> 02:13:45.439 what I've seen, like, I don't see a lot of 2410 02:13:45.479 --> 02:13:47.520 guys saying like, all right, great time to get out 2411 02:13:47.560 --> 02:13:50.600 my shade guavera T shirt. They're just much like we 2412 02:13:50.680 --> 02:13:52.720 were talking about with the corporate world, looking at you know, 2413 02:13:52.760 --> 02:13:56.319 the political system, be like, what can I even do? Right? 2414 02:13:56.399 --> 02:14:00.560 It seems as if there's no place for me, because 2415 02:14:00.760 --> 02:14:03.119 really it seems as if and this may be the 2416 02:14:03.239 --> 02:14:07.920 lesson of both you know, Ukraine and Israel, it's that 2417 02:14:08.680 --> 02:14:12.000 you know, you're allowed some leeway domestically, but on the 2418 02:14:12.079 --> 02:14:15.479 foreign policy front, it's always John McCain, right, no matter 2419 02:14:15.600 --> 02:14:18.399 what you do, you're always going to be, you know, 2420 02:14:18.520 --> 02:14:22.159 funding some foreign war the very least, if not, you know, 2421 02:14:22.279 --> 02:14:26.640 sending people to you know, kill and die there and 2422 02:14:26.800 --> 02:14:29.960 look like I'm not And I get this feeling as well, 2423 02:14:30.079 --> 02:14:34.239 kind of you know, emotionally opposed to war as a concept, 2424 02:14:34.399 --> 02:14:36.439 Like there are certainly guys in the anti war movement 2425 02:14:36.479 --> 02:14:39.880 who view every war as illegitimate. I don't you know, 2426 02:14:40.000 --> 02:14:42.800 I'm not some sort of peace nick, But to me 2427 02:14:43.199 --> 02:14:44.920 and I think the thing that galls a lot of 2428 02:14:44.960 --> 02:14:48.520 guys is it's like, well, this is so transparently not 2429 02:14:48.760 --> 02:14:52.560 in our interest. This is so transparently not even our idea. 2430 02:14:53.079 --> 02:14:58.079 So for instance, right, you have the Leaderanian negotiator, you know, 2431 02:14:58.439 --> 02:15:00.319 in kind of back channel talks, trying to get this 2432 02:15:00.399 --> 02:15:03.800 thing wound down, and he and his wife get killed 2433 02:15:03.840 --> 02:15:06.840 in Pakistan by and his Ralely strike and you're like, 2434 02:15:07.720 --> 02:15:10.199 wait a minute, aren't you guys supposed to be our friends, right, 2435 02:15:10.279 --> 02:15:12.600 why are you killing the guys we're trying to talk 2436 02:15:12.680 --> 02:15:17.520 to or similarly, write this kind of weird abortive maybe 2437 02:15:17.600 --> 02:15:22.000 a cease fire, maybe not where you know, uh, Israel 2438 02:15:22.119 --> 02:15:25.359 just continued striking Lebanon, you know, after we had sort 2439 02:15:25.399 --> 02:15:28.359 of done some sort of deal. And look, don't get 2440 02:15:28.399 --> 02:15:32.000 me wrong, it seems as if the Pakistani's kind of 2441 02:15:32.000 --> 02:15:33.680 screwed the pooch on that one, like there was a 2442 02:15:33.720 --> 02:15:37.600 big miscommunication. But nonetheless, right, it's sort of like that, 2443 02:15:38.039 --> 02:15:39.560 you know, you've ever seen it, like at a bar 2444 02:15:39.840 --> 02:15:41.800 where it's you know, a guy, you kind of a 2445 02:15:41.840 --> 02:15:44.680 big dude, and his tiny little girlfriend and she starts 2446 02:15:44.720 --> 02:15:47.159 picking fights, you know, and now he's the guy who 2447 02:15:47.199 --> 02:15:49.119 has to sort of sort this out afterwards, you know, 2448 02:15:49.199 --> 02:15:52.319 the kind of drug sorority girl. But like that feels 2449 02:15:52.319 --> 02:15:55.880 as if the situation the situation we're in where it's like, well, 2450 02:15:55.920 --> 02:15:58.560 we're not the ones making these decisions, but we're on 2451 02:15:58.680 --> 02:16:02.920 the hook for right you have again, you know, Israeli 2452 02:16:02.960 --> 02:16:06.039 officials confirming that, you know, idea of soldiers will not 2453 02:16:06.199 --> 02:16:10.159 participate in a ground invasion of Iran. Again, I think 2454 02:16:10.239 --> 02:16:12.800 that a ground invasion of Iran is fairly unlikely, But 2455 02:16:12.960 --> 02:16:15.720 I also would have said that, you know, unilateral out 2456 02:16:15.760 --> 02:16:19.000 of the blue assassination of Iotola that was unlikely. So, 2457 02:16:19.439 --> 02:16:22.159 you know, may not be your guy for predicting things. 2458 02:16:22.920 --> 02:16:24.920 But I think that if we can really drill down 2459 02:16:24.960 --> 02:16:29.039 to it, the the problem is not necessarily the particular 2460 02:16:29.560 --> 02:16:31.920 you know, vagaries of foreign policy, but it's that general 2461 02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:37.360 feeling of oh, I'm getting screwed and you guys are compromised. 2462 02:16:37.799 --> 02:16:39.600 And I'm not saying, you know, this is Epstein stuff 2463 02:16:39.680 --> 02:16:43.920 or whatever, but like you are not acting in my 2464 02:16:44.040 --> 02:16:46.680 best interest. You have a higher priority. That isn't me, 2465 02:16:46.879 --> 02:16:50.959 that isn't even America. It's those guys over there, and 2466 02:16:52.200 --> 02:16:54.879 that's really frustrating to people. And so you know, you 2467 02:16:54.959 --> 02:16:58.920 have figures even as you know kind of you know, diverses, 2468 02:16:59.000 --> 02:17:02.319 guys like you know, uh, your Theovonne and Tim Dillon, 2469 02:17:02.360 --> 02:17:04.840 who like, look aren't intellectuals, but they do have big 2470 02:17:04.920 --> 02:17:08.920 audiences and they're widely listened to saying things along that line, right, 2471 02:17:09.000 --> 02:17:12.040 saying things that like it basically seems as if you 2472 02:17:12.120 --> 02:17:15.000 know this, this whole maga America first thing was a 2473 02:17:15.079 --> 02:17:19.000 giant scam. I mean, the Epstein stuff is another great example, right, 2474 02:17:19.079 --> 02:17:22.959 another instance where people felt like, I have this burning 2475 02:17:23.040 --> 02:17:25.760 desire to fix this, like we don't do that anymore, 2476 02:17:25.879 --> 02:17:28.799 that's not what we are. And sure we got way 2477 02:17:28.840 --> 02:17:33.879 more documents, albeit you know, it was done very differently 2478 02:17:33.959 --> 02:17:35.600 than we were led to believe, but still we had 2479 02:17:35.639 --> 02:17:39.760 a bunch of documents out. And again it feels as 2480 02:17:39.799 --> 02:17:42.440 if you know, we were promised transparency and we got 2481 02:17:42.879 --> 02:17:45.879 more cover up. We were promised to America first and 2482 02:17:45.959 --> 02:17:50.959 meet got Israel first. And look like, I don't irrationally 2483 02:17:51.079 --> 02:17:55.280 hate Donald Trump, I don't have TDS. I don't I'm 2484 02:17:55.319 --> 02:17:58.319 not sort of morally offended by the kind of borish 2485 02:17:58.440 --> 02:18:02.040 or you know, it's like uncooth things he says in general, 2486 02:18:02.120 --> 02:18:04.159 I think they're pretty funny. I still think he's funny, 2487 02:18:04.719 --> 02:18:08.079 but it's like, look, man, like this was conditional for me. 2488 02:18:08.879 --> 02:18:12.440 I gave you support because there was a patronage element here. 2489 02:18:13.040 --> 02:18:16.440 It was a quid pro quo. And that's why Donald 2490 02:18:16.440 --> 02:18:21.520 Trump shot to popularity, particularly with his most devoted, you 2491 02:18:21.559 --> 02:18:27.639 know group, because normal working class white Americans had been 2492 02:18:27.760 --> 02:18:31.159 for a long time promised a lot and given very 2493 02:18:31.239 --> 02:18:34.840 low right. They have been promised these kind of vagaries 2494 02:18:34.879 --> 02:18:38.280 about you know, either Christian values or you know, how 2495 02:18:39.079 --> 02:18:41.200 trickle down economics would finally hit them. 2496 02:18:41.520 --> 02:18:43.559 Tariff checks, the tariff checks. 2497 02:18:43.639 --> 02:18:47.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, tariff checks. I mean, that's another great example. 2498 02:18:47.680 --> 02:18:53.200 But the particularly the Democrats had wasted white working class support. 2499 02:18:53.520 --> 02:18:55.920 You know, people like my grandpa who'd been Democrats their 2500 02:18:55.959 --> 02:18:58.879 whole life until Donald Trump showed up because they weren't 2501 02:18:58.879 --> 02:19:01.520 big business people. But they realized they had sort of 2502 02:19:01.520 --> 02:19:04.559 been replaced, that the Democrats weren't interested in white working 2503 02:19:04.600 --> 02:19:08.000 class people anymore. They were interested in the Obama sort 2504 02:19:08.040 --> 02:19:10.840 of rainbow coalition. And when Trump came in and was 2505 02:19:10.879 --> 02:19:13.319 basically like, hey, I'm gonna do things for you I'm 2506 02:19:13.440 --> 02:19:19.520 going to you know, and some protectionist policies bring manufacturing home. Okay, 2507 02:19:19.559 --> 02:19:22.440 fair enough, you promised me something. And did people get 2508 02:19:22.479 --> 02:19:24.600 all of those No, but they sort of got like 2509 02:19:24.680 --> 02:19:28.760 a little bit of like a psychic patronage. Yeah. Well, 2510 02:19:28.799 --> 02:19:31.600 he's smashing the libs, you know, he's you know, making 2511 02:19:31.680 --> 02:19:34.399 fun of the the you know, the people I hate 2512 02:19:34.399 --> 02:19:38.000 on TV and fair enough, and lots of those people 2513 02:19:38.079 --> 02:19:40.200 will be loyal to him for that till the day 2514 02:19:40.280 --> 02:19:42.760 he dies. He could do anything. But for a lot 2515 02:19:42.799 --> 02:19:44.879 of other people, particularly in twenty four, it sort of 2516 02:19:44.920 --> 02:19:48.680 felt as if like, well, geez, I'm getting screwed. You're 2517 02:19:48.760 --> 02:19:51.399 offering me something, and even if I get one out 2518 02:19:51.440 --> 02:19:53.319 of ten of these crazy promises, well, you know what, 2519 02:19:53.559 --> 02:19:57.879 it's something and the idea. And I think this is why, 2520 02:19:58.159 --> 02:20:00.360 you know, many people are sort of feeling one more 2521 02:20:00.399 --> 02:20:03.479 insulted by this is that like, you know, you have 2522 02:20:04.120 --> 02:20:06.319 the terms for people like us, right, It's like, oh, 2523 02:20:06.399 --> 02:20:09.840 you're a Panican, You're you've tuned out, you know, you're 2524 02:20:09.959 --> 02:20:14.159 you're insufficiently loyal. I have you abandoned ship. It's like, look, man, 2525 02:20:14.319 --> 02:20:15.840 like just. 2526 02:20:15.879 --> 02:20:17.840 So high school is so high school? 2527 02:20:18.079 --> 02:20:21.440 Like yeah, it's also like, isn't it a marriage man? 2528 02:20:21.879 --> 02:20:25.280 You know, like I didn't, I didn't sign a contract. 2529 02:20:25.920 --> 02:20:29.399 It was conditional, right, it was this for that. 2530 02:20:30.000 --> 02:20:32.280 I see people putting this out an X people that 2531 02:20:32.360 --> 02:20:33.840 are older, that are and I'm not going to mention 2532 02:20:33.879 --> 02:20:35.239 them because I don't want to give them any attention. 2533 02:20:35.399 --> 02:20:38.000 But you know they're doing this whole testing loyalty. This 2534 02:20:38.159 --> 02:20:40.319 is a this is a loyalty test. And I'm just like, 2535 02:20:41.040 --> 02:20:43.120 are you are you kidding me? With are you kidding me? 2536 02:20:43.280 --> 02:20:46.360 This is not high school? What are we what are 2537 02:20:46.360 --> 02:20:49.520 we doing here? Well, because I question to your point 2538 02:20:49.559 --> 02:20:52.239 of what you've just explained, you know, over the last 2539 02:20:52.319 --> 02:20:55.760 forty minutes, because you question things and how you're not 2540 02:20:55.840 --> 02:20:58.319 seeing benefit from it. Now all of a sudden, you're 2541 02:20:58.399 --> 02:21:05.040 dis loyal, stupid, no, a hundred sorry, sorry to me. 2542 02:21:05.120 --> 02:21:06.840 And it's one of those no, no, not at all. 2543 02:21:06.959 --> 02:21:11.360 You're completely right, Mike. And it's one of those things 2544 02:21:11.440 --> 02:21:14.159 where like, look like I caught a lot of flack 2545 02:21:14.639 --> 02:21:18.159 early on in the Trump presidency for saying, we owe 2546 02:21:18.239 --> 02:21:20.639 this guy some loyalty, we owe him the benefit of 2547 02:21:20.680 --> 02:21:24.680 the doubt, and so give him a chance one hundred percent, 2548 02:21:24.840 --> 02:21:29.239 And like I'll be honest, Washington guy, take a bullet 2549 02:21:29.319 --> 02:21:31.479 or nearly take a bullet like that worked on me 2550 02:21:32.000 --> 02:21:36.559 fair enough. And so I'm not coming to this position 2551 02:21:36.680 --> 02:21:39.319 out of some irrational hatred for the man, or coming 2552 02:21:39.399 --> 02:21:43.159 to this position because I'm so motivated by you know, 2553 02:21:43.239 --> 02:21:46.120 hate for Israel or hatred of Jews. As Mark Levin 2554 02:21:46.159 --> 02:21:48.360 would put it, that I just am chomping at the 2555 02:21:48.399 --> 02:21:52.360 bit and anything that you know, that nothing would be 2556 02:21:52.399 --> 02:21:55.879 good enough for me. Far from it. But it's sort 2557 02:21:55.920 --> 02:21:58.040 of a you know, a rational actor here right who 2558 02:21:58.600 --> 02:22:00.959 believes that I call balls and star At a certain point, 2559 02:22:01.000 --> 02:22:05.559 it's like, well, look, this isn't in my interest, right, 2560 02:22:05.639 --> 02:22:09.719 You're wasting your political capital, You're wasting your attention doing 2561 02:22:09.799 --> 02:22:14.079 this for someone else, not for me. So like, yeah, sure, 2562 02:22:14.239 --> 02:22:17.799 I'm not exactly hoping that you know, the Malas, you know, 2563 02:22:19.239 --> 02:22:22.799 kill you know, seventy thousand American servicemen. I don't want 2564 02:22:22.840 --> 02:22:26.280 that to happen. But like the idea that I have 2565 02:22:26.440 --> 02:22:29.319 to get screwed over and then you know, clap for it, 2566 02:22:29.680 --> 02:22:31.079 you know, I have to say, like, yes, sir, may 2567 02:22:31.120 --> 02:22:34.120 I have another It's like, look, man, like this didn't 2568 02:22:34.120 --> 02:22:35.920 work for the other guy. It's not working for you. 2569 02:22:36.719 --> 02:22:39.639 You know, this is not some sort of like undying 2570 02:22:39.760 --> 02:22:44.000 blood oath to President Trump. And you know what if 2571 02:22:44.200 --> 02:22:46.680 tomorrow he said, you know what, we're done. This is stupid, 2572 02:22:47.120 --> 02:22:50.760 let's go back home. Fair enough, great awesome, Still a 2573 02:22:50.799 --> 02:22:53.120 stupid decision to get involved in the first place, but like, 2574 02:22:53.920 --> 02:22:56.440 we need to be done with this, and however that happens, 2575 02:22:56.719 --> 02:23:00.319 I'm fine with it, to be perfectly honest. And you know, 2576 02:23:00.639 --> 02:23:02.719 in the future, if he's the one who gets rid 2577 02:23:02.760 --> 02:23:07.239 of directly or indirectly birthright citizenship, great awesome. You know, 2578 02:23:07.360 --> 02:23:09.760 there's some things that we got rid of through him 2579 02:23:09.799 --> 02:23:12.040 that I thought we never would. And so you know, 2580 02:23:12.159 --> 02:23:13.840 on balance, so you have to consider that a point 2581 02:23:13.840 --> 02:23:16.079 in his favor, and I you know, I'm never going 2582 02:23:16.159 --> 02:23:18.799 to diminish that. But at a certain point, it's like 2583 02:23:20.520 --> 02:23:23.600 you've got to understand, right, there is no relationship in 2584 02:23:23.719 --> 02:23:28.760 politics that is unconditional and you know, eternal like that, 2585 02:23:29.719 --> 02:23:33.239 especially you know, given exactly why he you know, sort 2586 02:23:33.239 --> 02:23:36.840 of rose to prominence. I will also say that as 2587 02:23:36.879 --> 02:23:39.719 we go to the generational divide, you know, we're seeing 2588 02:23:39.799 --> 02:23:42.760 this more and more strongly, right that I am not 2589 02:23:42.840 --> 02:23:45.639 alone in these feelings that many people under a certain age. 2590 02:23:46.399 --> 02:23:48.159 Did I mention last time I was on here, I 2591 02:23:48.239 --> 02:23:53.360 can't remember the comments Ben Shapiro made about the war 2592 02:23:53.399 --> 02:23:53.760 in Iran. 2593 02:23:55.600 --> 02:23:59.360 If you do, I don't recall, please share so fair enough, 2594 02:24:00.000 --> 02:24:00.959 And then I want to ask you. I want to 2595 02:24:00.959 --> 02:24:04.799 ask you something else about the draft too, but go ahead, sure, sorry, Sure. 2596 02:24:05.440 --> 02:24:11.239 Ben Shapiro has sort of continued in a trend we 2597 02:24:11.360 --> 02:24:15.360 have seen since really the twenty twenty four election, which 2598 02:24:15.440 --> 02:24:20.239 is a deliberate desire to inject a wedge between older 2599 02:24:20.360 --> 02:24:25.440 and younger Republicans. So you may remember the series of 2600 02:24:25.559 --> 02:24:28.680 leaks that have come out of you know, Young Republicans chats, 2601 02:24:29.120 --> 02:24:31.040 you know, all of these sort of you know, youth 2602 02:24:31.200 --> 02:24:35.000 institutions where you know, different figures have come in and said, oh, 2603 02:24:35.479 --> 02:24:38.479 you know the kids in these chats they're saying naughty things. 2604 02:24:38.879 --> 02:24:42.639 Kick them out, you know, denounce them, get rid of them. Similarly, 2605 02:24:42.719 --> 02:24:46.319 again at Heritage, right where it was, you know, find 2606 02:24:46.399 --> 02:24:50.159 the unbeliever. Oh, this Catholic kid wouldn't go to Shabbat dinner. 2607 02:24:51.120 --> 02:24:53.399 You know he must be there must be something wrong 2608 02:24:53.479 --> 02:24:56.719 with him. You know. The leader of you know, Heritage 2609 02:24:56.799 --> 02:25:01.600 basically you know, first defended you know, Tucker Carlson over 2610 02:25:01.719 --> 02:25:03.799 talking to I believe Darryl Cooper, maybe it was Nick 2611 02:25:03.799 --> 02:25:06.280 fuent Tees. I can't remember either one, and then you know, 2612 02:25:06.440 --> 02:25:10.239 was forced to apologize for that. And we've seen this 2613 02:25:10.399 --> 02:25:13.319 sort of growing moral panic on the kind of neo 2614 02:25:13.360 --> 02:25:17.159 conservative right over grapers quote unquote For those aren't familiar, 2615 02:25:17.239 --> 02:25:19.719 this is a sort of semi derogatory term, although they 2616 02:25:19.760 --> 02:25:23.520 embrace it for fans of Nick Funtes, basically saying that, oh, 2617 02:25:24.079 --> 02:25:26.200 the young people are poisoned, you cut them off. 2618 02:25:26.280 --> 02:25:28.040 Have you met him, Jay, Do you know him? 2619 02:25:28.200 --> 02:25:29.239 I've not met him now. 2620 02:25:29.959 --> 02:25:30.079 Uh. 2621 02:25:32.200 --> 02:25:35.040 But point is, the idea is poisoning the well, right, 2622 02:25:35.120 --> 02:25:38.120 anyone who is under a certain age, and anyone who 2623 02:25:38.280 --> 02:25:40.799 is you know, not on board with the sort of 2624 02:25:40.959 --> 02:25:44.680 you know, maximal neo conversion of Republican politics. Well, they 2625 02:25:44.719 --> 02:25:47.680 are a graper, which is basically just a shorthand for 2626 02:25:47.680 --> 02:25:50.200 a Nazi, and you need to cut them out right. 2627 02:25:50.360 --> 02:25:52.520 Not my beliefs, the beliefs of people who spouse this. 2628 02:25:53.040 --> 02:25:56.280 You've seen this coming from this sort of like you know, 2629 02:25:57.399 --> 02:26:01.319 more explicitly kind of neo conservative way, but also from 2630 02:26:01.479 --> 02:26:04.479 the kind of like former liberals, you know, figures like 2631 02:26:04.600 --> 02:26:07.360 James Lindsay's and others, you know, basically saying like, watch 2632 02:26:07.399 --> 02:26:10.120 out for these guys, don't let them in. And so 2633 02:26:10.200 --> 02:26:14.120 what Ben Shapiro said is a very clever illision where 2634 02:26:14.159 --> 02:26:18.840 he was talking about he was talking about a report 2635 02:26:18.920 --> 02:26:22.760 from I believe the Manhattan Institute that said fifty three 2636 02:26:22.879 --> 02:26:27.360 percent of Republicans under I think it was forty seven 2637 02:26:27.959 --> 02:26:34.159 arbitrarily picked I assume, don't believe the Holocaust narrative, as 2638 02:26:34.639 --> 02:26:37.479 you know, reported by historians, basically saying that over half 2639 02:26:37.559 --> 02:26:42.079 of these people are Holocaust deniers. Isn't that awful and 2640 02:26:42.719 --> 02:26:47.159 explicitly connected that fact to low support for the Iranian war, right, 2641 02:26:47.239 --> 02:26:49.280 the idea is, oh, you don't support the Iranian war, 2642 02:26:50.000 --> 02:26:54.200 you are a Holocaust denier. And then very quickly afterwards 2643 02:26:54.559 --> 02:26:57.959 made an allision to what he and many others This 2644 02:26:58.079 --> 02:26:59.959 is a point, you know, from I've seen from Lindsay 2645 02:27:00.120 --> 02:27:03.479 and Mark Levin. And when I'm using these guys' names, 2646 02:27:03.600 --> 02:27:06.559 I'm partially doing it because they're ridiculous and they're fun 2647 02:27:06.600 --> 02:27:08.559 to make fun of, but also you've got to understand 2648 02:27:08.639 --> 02:27:10.959 these are both you know, widely read figures, and for 2649 02:27:11.079 --> 02:27:14.799 every one, I'm mentioning there's another fifty right who were 2650 02:27:14.879 --> 02:27:16.840 sort of in that nexus, Douglas Murray. 2651 02:27:17.120 --> 02:27:19.280 Douglas Murray, Oh, yeah. 2652 02:27:19.280 --> 02:27:25.239 Man, I have no legally advisable opinions about Douglas Murray. 2653 02:27:25.319 --> 02:27:28.399 I will leave it at that. Which, by the way, 2654 02:27:28.399 --> 02:27:30.079 do you remember a while back when he said that 2655 02:27:30.159 --> 02:27:32.319 you that no one was allowed to write an article 2656 02:27:32.360 --> 02:27:37.200 on a country they hadn't been to. Yeah, I, given 2657 02:27:37.319 --> 02:27:40.520 what I know of Douglas Murray's sexual history, I'm going 2658 02:27:40.600 --> 02:27:43.120 to go ahead and bet he has not been to Iran. 2659 02:27:45.040 --> 02:27:48.040 I'll leave it at that. They tend to, you know view. 2660 02:27:48.440 --> 02:27:51.799 No, there's no coincidences. There's no coincidences with things anymore. 2661 02:27:51.879 --> 02:27:53.239 There's no such thing as a coincidence. 2662 02:27:53.280 --> 02:27:53.479 Yeah. 2663 02:27:54.440 --> 02:27:57.159 Sorry, sorry to mean to chime in there, but no. 2664 02:27:57.239 --> 02:28:00.239 No, not at all. So he goes from saying, you know, 2665 02:28:00.840 --> 02:28:05.680 you know, young Republican men don't support the war I Ran, 2666 02:28:05.879 --> 02:28:09.319 they're probably Holocaust deniers to talking about the rise of 2667 02:28:09.479 --> 02:28:13.200 what he calls grievance politics. And this is another particularly 2668 02:28:13.280 --> 02:28:17.959 insidious part of this argument which has been widely shared, 2669 02:28:17.959 --> 02:28:22.959 which is basically the idea that oh, if you object 2670 02:28:23.079 --> 02:28:27.319 to this, you are engaging in grievance politics, which is, 2671 02:28:28.239 --> 02:28:30.399 you know, you believe that all the problems in your 2672 02:28:30.440 --> 02:28:33.520 life are caused by other people. You're not accepting responsibility 2673 02:28:33.920 --> 02:28:39.000 because you have grievances ill defined. So it's basically not 2674 02:28:39.200 --> 02:28:42.200 only are you a Nazi holocaust denier for not supporting 2675 02:28:42.239 --> 02:28:45.719 this war, you're also basically the woke left right. Young 2676 02:28:45.760 --> 02:28:49.399 people are Nazi woke left, and this is being amplified 2677 02:28:49.440 --> 02:28:51.879 to people of a certain generation, and it's not working 2678 02:28:51.959 --> 02:28:53.239 on all of them. It's not what I'm trying to 2679 02:28:53.280 --> 02:28:56.559 say at all, but to say that narrative, right, the 2680 02:28:56.639 --> 02:28:59.079 idea that the young people are unsavable, you need to 2681 02:28:59.120 --> 02:29:00.840 cut them out, that they're you know, the worst of 2682 02:29:00.879 --> 02:29:05.000 the worst, is furthering that generational divide, that problem of 2683 02:29:05.079 --> 02:29:08.760 succession that you know, Maga Incorporated had where it was 2684 02:29:08.799 --> 02:29:11.200 already a tough row to hoo, you know, given the 2685 02:29:11.479 --> 02:29:14.680 you know, the economy, given the affordability crisis, given this war. 2686 02:29:15.040 --> 02:29:17.559 But the fact that all that same time you have 2687 02:29:17.680 --> 02:29:20.959 these figures saying, yes, they're irredeemably bad, they're horrible, they 2688 02:29:21.040 --> 02:29:22.840 need to be cut out, they need to be shunned 2689 02:29:22.920 --> 02:29:26.799 from these institutions. Well, that means that the problem doesn't 2690 02:29:26.959 --> 02:29:31.239 just apply at you know, the voter level. Well, what 2691 02:29:31.360 --> 02:29:35.120 happens to all of these institutions, right, what happens at Heritage, 2692 02:29:35.239 --> 02:29:38.639 what happens at the Daily Wire, what happens at any 2693 02:29:38.760 --> 02:29:42.959 number of you know, these sort of you know, conservative institutions. 2694 02:29:43.559 --> 02:29:46.479 Because from what I've heard, and I have multiple sources 2695 02:29:46.520 --> 02:29:51.360 on this, this same fight is raging down the middle 2696 02:29:51.440 --> 02:29:53.719 of all of these right people who feel as if, 2697 02:29:53.840 --> 02:29:56.440 you know, they're American nationalists first and foremost, and people 2698 02:29:56.440 --> 02:29:58.959 who feel as if we have this eternal special connection 2699 02:29:59.120 --> 02:30:02.040 to the nation of Israel. And that's the the sort 2700 02:30:02.040 --> 02:30:04.639 of approximate reason we understand there are other issues going 2701 02:30:04.680 --> 02:30:08.120 on there at once. Like that's a that's a huge 2702 02:30:08.239 --> 02:30:11.319 gulf to bridge, right, That's how are you going to 2703 02:30:12.399 --> 02:30:15.799 you know, continue this you know force in politics on 2704 02:30:16.239 --> 02:30:19.520 when you have kneecapped, you have literally you know, pulled 2705 02:30:19.680 --> 02:30:21.879 the ladder up behind you and say no one else 2706 02:30:21.959 --> 02:30:24.760 can come up. Well, and you know, forgive me if 2707 02:30:24.799 --> 02:30:27.079 this is a real long time to get to this point, Like, 2708 02:30:28.440 --> 02:30:30.440 but to me, it seems as if we're going to 2709 02:30:30.520 --> 02:30:32.920 see the same logical conclusion we saw in the corporate 2710 02:30:33.000 --> 02:30:37.280 world hit politics we're basically, oh, there is no way 2711 02:30:37.399 --> 02:30:39.479 for me. There is no place for me to go. 2712 02:30:40.040 --> 02:30:42.440 And I understand when I say no, I don't mean 2713 02:30:42.479 --> 02:30:44.760 all there are guys right now who are in their 2714 02:30:44.799 --> 02:30:47.479 early twenties in the corporate world. If you're listening to this, 2715 02:30:47.879 --> 02:30:52.360 I'm sorry, Uh, that sucks. And similarly, there are those 2716 02:30:52.399 --> 02:30:55.680 same guys you know work at writing you know, speeches 2717 02:30:55.799 --> 02:30:59.280 for different you know, Republican congressmen, and you know, reading 2718 02:30:59.319 --> 02:31:02.840 through legal documents. I will also say, I'm sorry. So 2719 02:31:02.920 --> 02:31:06.239 we're not talking universally, but it seems as if the 2720 02:31:06.360 --> 02:31:10.840 logical conclusion is to explore alternatives, right, to find other 2721 02:31:11.000 --> 02:31:15.040 places to go. And you know, big picture, right, if 2722 02:31:15.040 --> 02:31:17.760 we're talking about these sort of talented, driven young men, 2723 02:31:19.120 --> 02:31:25.399 it is incredibly foolish of leaders to abandon those guys 2724 02:31:26.079 --> 02:31:29.239 because look like one obviously they will become, you know, 2725 02:31:29.360 --> 02:31:32.440 leaders of another generation. But also right, we have to 2726 02:31:32.559 --> 02:31:35.959 understand that like, those guys just don't stop existing because 2727 02:31:36.000 --> 02:31:38.760 you have kicked them out of heritage or kicked them 2728 02:31:38.799 --> 02:31:42.799 out of you know, your local young Republicans group. If 2729 02:31:43.479 --> 02:31:45.680 they were you know, talented and driven enough to get there, 2730 02:31:46.159 --> 02:31:49.040 that energy doesn't go away and do some guys get 2731 02:31:49.120 --> 02:31:51.440 ruined when they're canceled one hundred percent. You know, they're 2732 02:31:51.440 --> 02:31:53.920 they're sad stories. Although it seems to be working less 2733 02:31:53.959 --> 02:31:58.239 and less, But like that's how you create real genuine 2734 02:31:58.319 --> 02:32:02.280 political instability, right both on the level of there are 2735 02:32:02.360 --> 02:32:05.959 no solutions available to you, red or blue, you're still 2736 02:32:06.000 --> 02:32:09.360 getting screwed no matter what. Oh, you want to get 2737 02:32:09.360 --> 02:32:11.479 a normal job and put your head down, you can't 2738 02:32:11.520 --> 02:32:13.559 do that. Either. You want to work in politics and 2739 02:32:13.680 --> 02:32:16.520 change it, you can't do that either. These guys don't 2740 02:32:16.559 --> 02:32:19.159 just go away. They don't just disappear when you fired 2741 02:32:19.200 --> 02:32:22.479 them from your office. And you know, a lot of 2742 02:32:22.559 --> 02:32:25.280 the fear mongering over you know, the kind of coypers 2743 02:32:25.319 --> 02:32:26.879 and stuff like that, I think is a realization of 2744 02:32:26.959 --> 02:32:30.000 exactly that that there is a large, untapped well of 2745 02:32:30.159 --> 02:32:36.319 energy that is not particularly friendly with you. And you've 2746 02:32:36.360 --> 02:32:38.440 seen this in the religious world, you know, we can 2747 02:32:38.840 --> 02:32:41.559 That's a conversation for another day. A very similar dynamic 2748 02:32:41.719 --> 02:32:44.479 of you know, young people significantly to the right of 2749 02:32:45.120 --> 02:32:47.600 you know, either their literal or spiritual elders. You know, 2750 02:32:47.799 --> 02:32:51.159 that is creating problems. And I think that there's this 2751 02:32:51.399 --> 02:32:54.719 desire to simply you know, stick your head in the sand, 2752 02:32:55.319 --> 02:32:57.440 you know, to look and say, you know, we're doing great. 2753 02:32:57.799 --> 02:32:59.959 You know, the war's going great, the economy is going great. 2754 02:33:00.719 --> 02:33:02.799 You know, I have this video on Facebook of this 2755 02:33:03.000 --> 02:33:06.680 you know, bright young conservative man Berlin Hollyhand seems to 2756 02:33:06.719 --> 02:33:09.239 have been sort of you know, grown in a that 2757 02:33:10.239 --> 02:33:13.040 everything is fine. No, it's not fine. 2758 02:33:13.159 --> 02:33:16.239 That's the turning point, the new spokes face of turning point. 2759 02:33:16.440 --> 02:33:18.680 That that kid, I don't think so he was auditioning 2760 02:33:18.840 --> 02:33:21.200 for it. He was sort of squeezed out of a 2761 02:33:21.280 --> 02:33:26.680 tube suspiciously soon after Charlie Kirk's Yes. I think he 2762 02:33:26.799 --> 02:33:27.479 was making a run. 2763 02:33:27.360 --> 02:33:28.799 Of it, and people are all making fun of him 2764 02:33:28.799 --> 02:33:31.280 every one of his posts. People are just crucifying him. 2765 02:33:31.360 --> 02:33:34.600 This may surprise you, Mike. Uh he said no when 2766 02:33:34.639 --> 02:33:36.360 I asked him for an interview. 2767 02:33:37.159 --> 02:33:37.280 Uh. 2768 02:33:38.040 --> 02:33:40.719 Now is that because I have made a number of 2769 02:33:41.000 --> 02:33:48.079 derogatory comments about his sexuality, his looks, and his name 2770 02:33:48.280 --> 02:33:51.479 on the internet. Possibly I thought it would be a 2771 02:33:51.559 --> 02:33:55.040 funny interview. He didn't agree. So the point is right, like, 2772 02:33:55.120 --> 02:33:57.079 did he responds? Did he respond to it? Did he 2773 02:33:57.239 --> 02:33:58.319 even respond to Yes? 2774 02:33:58.399 --> 02:34:01.079 He did, and he said no, just said no. Reasoning 2775 02:34:02.959 --> 02:34:04.239 the reasoning I could sort. 2776 02:34:04.040 --> 02:34:07.840 Of fill it on my own. The point is, and 2777 02:34:07.879 --> 02:34:10.559 I'll see this, and it's right. I think that you know, 2778 02:34:11.520 --> 02:34:16.319 there is a desire particularly you know, and I think 2779 02:34:16.360 --> 02:34:21.079 that this will change after mid terms, when certain realities 2780 02:34:21.159 --> 02:34:28.079 become apparent that you know what, things are not going 2781 02:34:28.200 --> 02:34:31.000 great and things are likely to continue in a negative 2782 02:34:31.040 --> 02:34:34.840 direction unless changes are made, and those changes are entirely 2783 02:34:35.000 --> 02:34:38.280 within the remit of people in power. It is possible 2784 02:34:38.360 --> 02:34:42.639 to in an immediate sense fix these issues, but that 2785 02:34:42.719 --> 02:34:48.079 would require an uncomfortable rearrangement of loyalty, and I don't 2786 02:34:48.159 --> 02:34:50.760 know if anyone is willing to have that. And until 2787 02:34:50.840 --> 02:34:54.319 that happens, these trends will continue. They are not imaginary. 2788 02:34:54.399 --> 02:34:57.840 They are not a product of grievance politics of you know, 2789 02:34:58.200 --> 02:35:00.520 idiot young people who've never worked today in their life 2790 02:35:00.520 --> 02:35:03.760 when everything handed to them for free. These are real 2791 02:35:03.840 --> 02:35:07.559 grievances that all of the problems with affordability that I 2792 02:35:07.639 --> 02:35:10.079 mentioned last time. You know, the incredible amount of wealth 2793 02:35:10.120 --> 02:35:13.280 it takes to live, as you know, my own lower 2794 02:35:13.280 --> 02:35:17.639 middle class grandparents did right, literally a McDonald's manager and 2795 02:35:17.719 --> 02:35:22.840 a lady who worked at a bank. Right. People feel 2796 02:35:22.920 --> 02:35:27.520 that and that is not going to go away simply 2797 02:35:27.600 --> 02:35:30.200 because you've called them woke, simply because you've called them 2798 02:35:30.239 --> 02:35:33.959 the Nazi. And this is something that you know, we 2799 02:35:34.079 --> 02:35:36.959 on the right were all too eager to point out 2800 02:35:37.120 --> 02:35:40.079 on the you know, the nominal woke left. But when 2801 02:35:40.120 --> 02:35:42.600 it comes to something that people in power care about, 2802 02:35:42.639 --> 02:35:45.159 when it comes to one of their sacred cows, it 2803 02:35:45.239 --> 02:35:48.840 comes right back around. And so to sort of tie 2804 02:35:48.879 --> 02:35:51.000 a bow on this, what are my feelings on the 2805 02:35:51.079 --> 02:35:54.600 Iran war? Uh? One, it doesn't seem to be going 2806 02:35:54.680 --> 02:35:58.479 great just on a military level, right Iran is still there? Uh, 2807 02:35:58.719 --> 02:36:01.520 you know, we got rid of the malas Israel seems 2808 02:36:01.520 --> 02:36:05.479 to be getting you know, if not you know, battered 2809 02:36:05.479 --> 02:36:07.879 at least, you know, a bloody nose from this right there, 2810 02:36:07.920 --> 02:36:12.280 taking real shells or real shelling. You know, we maybe 2811 02:36:12.360 --> 02:36:14.360 haven't lost a lot of people, but we certainly lost 2812 02:36:14.440 --> 02:36:17.959 more than we needed to. And ultimately the sort of 2813 02:36:18.040 --> 02:36:20.719 military you know, situation on the ground doesn't really matter 2814 02:36:20.840 --> 02:36:25.559 because this is exacerbated a widening political divide that I 2815 02:36:25.760 --> 02:36:31.000 view as basically the sort of iceberg that sinks the 2816 02:36:31.079 --> 02:36:35.000 Titanic of Maga. Because again, and I don't say this 2817 02:36:35.079 --> 02:36:37.959 out of joy, but we are fast approaching the fiftieth 2818 02:36:38.000 --> 02:36:41.799 percentile mark of you know, baby boomer mortality, right, that 2819 02:36:42.559 --> 02:36:46.079 rate will be increasing at astronomic rate. And sure, fair enough, 2820 02:36:46.159 --> 02:36:48.479 I understand, you know, Gen X is one of the 2821 02:36:48.520 --> 02:36:52.040 most conservative voting blocks in America, But uh, buddy, there 2822 02:36:52.040 --> 02:36:54.159 aren't a lot of you you know, at least compared 2823 02:36:54.159 --> 02:36:58.440 to the boomers and the the you know, millennials, another 2824 02:36:58.520 --> 02:37:01.799 large generation have you know, one do not like Israel 2825 02:37:01.879 --> 02:37:05.280 and aggregate as well. And so the idea that we 2826 02:37:05.360 --> 02:37:08.479 can simply keep running the George W. Bush playbook, like 2827 02:37:08.639 --> 02:37:12.879 that's not a functional option. Maybe once, but after that, 2828 02:37:13.200 --> 02:37:15.399 like who are you selling that to? Who are you 2829 02:37:15.520 --> 02:37:18.799 selling that to? And again, we have to understand that 2830 02:37:18.879 --> 02:37:21.840 both for our politicians and for us, there are very 2831 02:37:21.959 --> 02:37:27.360 real consequences to this, another Biden level migration surge that 2832 02:37:27.600 --> 02:37:31.479 changes how things go in the country. You know, if 2833 02:37:31.959 --> 02:37:35.479 all of Maga is in jail, which okay, sure is, 2834 02:37:35.520 --> 02:37:39.959 I realize not a definite possibility. But the Democrats at 2835 02:37:40.000 --> 02:37:43.000 least seem to be saying that that's a real consequence 2836 02:37:43.040 --> 02:37:45.680 for them. And so to me to watch, you know, 2837 02:37:45.760 --> 02:37:48.440 a moment of incredible political capital, a moment where so 2838 02:37:48.559 --> 02:37:51.840 much good could have been done, squandered and for what 2839 02:37:53.440 --> 02:37:56.079 it really bothers me, and it bothers a lot of people. 2840 02:37:56.719 --> 02:38:03.920 And yeah, it's really a frustrating situation. I'll leave it that. 2841 02:38:04.879 --> 02:38:09.440 You get time for one more question. Have you considered 2842 02:38:11.200 --> 02:38:13.959 if they do change that range of the draft to say, 2843 02:38:14.120 --> 02:38:17.159 upwards of thirty two? Have you considered that at all? 2844 02:38:17.360 --> 02:38:19.399 And what would you do if that if that occurred? 2845 02:38:21.280 --> 02:38:22.000 Oh, I mean. 2846 02:38:23.399 --> 02:38:31.200 Maybe this is an overly fatalistic view on it, but 2847 02:38:32.159 --> 02:38:36.520 to me, at least personally, like I probably just do 2848 02:38:36.680 --> 02:38:40.680 what my grandparents did and just you know, bite the 2849 02:38:40.719 --> 02:38:43.520 bullet and at least, you know, see, like you know, 2850 02:38:43.559 --> 02:38:45.920 at Lester, get a commission. You know, it's better than 2851 02:38:45.959 --> 02:38:50.239 waiting for the number. And honestly, it's like even a 2852 02:38:50.719 --> 02:38:53.200 horribly unjust war, and I view this war is horribly 2853 02:38:53.280 --> 02:38:55.200 and horrible and unjust. It's like, well, you know what, 2854 02:38:56.040 --> 02:38:58.920 like ultimately, you know, the little people you and I 2855 02:38:59.079 --> 02:39:03.120 Mike are not always is in a position to you know, 2856 02:39:03.200 --> 02:39:05.479 make decisions on that level. And so you know what, 2857 02:39:06.719 --> 02:39:09.399 if I have to, I have to, I'm not particularly 2858 02:39:09.440 --> 02:39:13.879 looking forward to that, you know, particularly it's worrisome and 2859 02:39:13.920 --> 02:39:16.680 I've had this conversation with my friends as well. If 2860 02:39:16.719 --> 02:39:19.479 you didn't GETO the data on what percentage of Generation 2861 02:39:19.680 --> 02:39:24.639 Z is actually fit to serve, it's very low. I 2862 02:39:24.680 --> 02:39:26.440 would guess that. I would guess it would be low. 2863 02:39:26.559 --> 02:39:30.159 Yeah, mental instability and obesity, and you know what, fair enough, 2864 02:39:30.200 --> 02:39:32.639 maybe you're getting ozembic shots in your MRIs and so 2865 02:39:32.760 --> 02:39:34.959 that problem goes away. But you start to kind of 2866 02:39:35.000 --> 02:39:36.559 run the math and you're like, all right, even on 2867 02:39:36.639 --> 02:39:40.000 the top end of that age bracket, I am definitely 2868 02:39:40.120 --> 02:39:43.280 in the top blah blah blah percent by like body fat, 2869 02:39:43.440 --> 02:39:46.559 and yeah, I'm probably getting screwed, aren't I. So anyway, 2870 02:39:46.600 --> 02:39:48.479 I mean I view it as a as a pretty 2871 02:39:48.559 --> 02:39:51.639 unlikely situation, but you know, if it has to happen, 2872 02:39:52.520 --> 02:39:57.079 either I get blown up, which is, you know, not ideal, 2873 02:39:57.280 --> 02:39:59.879 but you know, if you're enough of a religious extremist 2874 02:40:00.079 --> 02:40:04.280 kind of know where you're going, or alternately, it seems 2875 02:40:04.319 --> 02:40:06.440 like a necessary part of being a good writer is 2876 02:40:06.520 --> 02:40:09.479 having some horrific war experience, so you know what, maybe 2877 02:40:10.000 --> 02:40:11.440 grand scheme of things, it's not the worst thing that 2878 02:40:11.479 --> 02:40:11.959 can happen. 2879 02:40:12.799 --> 02:40:15.879 I know, run out of time here, but I do 2880 02:40:16.000 --> 02:40:17.239 want to give you a chance if you want to 2881 02:40:17.280 --> 02:40:19.879 talk about your show and some of the stuff you're 2882 02:40:19.879 --> 02:40:22.000 working on, and what can we expect from the Jay 2883 02:40:22.040 --> 02:40:22.600 Burton Show. 2884 02:40:23.680 --> 02:40:26.319 Yeah, sure, thing man. So, as we said before, the 2885 02:40:26.399 --> 02:40:29.120 Jay Burton Show is my interview show, put out five 2886 02:40:29.360 --> 02:40:33.079 shows a week. I've sort of been limiting myself on 2887 02:40:33.280 --> 02:40:36.520 Iran more news because it is really depressing and if 2888 02:40:36.719 --> 02:40:38.639 I have to talk about it more than a certain 2889 02:40:38.639 --> 02:40:42.760 amount of week, I will go insane. But I had 2890 02:40:42.760 --> 02:40:47.600 an episode not too long ago with Ron Dobson where 2891 02:40:47.680 --> 02:40:52.239 we spoke about the Iranian nuclear program. So talking about 2892 02:40:52.280 --> 02:40:56.000 the sort of five stages of a nuclear program, right 2893 02:40:56.120 --> 02:40:59.120 going from you know, the ability to enrich uranium for 2894 02:40:59.600 --> 02:41:02.079 medical usage all the way up to you know, really 2895 02:41:02.120 --> 02:41:05.879 scary stuff intercontinental ballistic missiles. That's interesting if you're looking 2896 02:41:06.079 --> 02:41:08.719 at the stated justification for this war, right we had 2897 02:41:08.760 --> 02:41:11.399 to stop the Mullas from from getting nukes, from turning 2898 02:41:11.440 --> 02:41:13.639 themselves into a you know, a sort of a pyeong 2899 02:41:13.680 --> 02:41:16.079 Yang in the Middle East. How you recommend that. As 2900 02:41:16.120 --> 02:41:19.159 far as what's coming up, I have Alex pet Kiss 2901 02:41:19.360 --> 02:41:23.600 of Constant Glory on to resume the series about the 2902 02:41:23.680 --> 02:41:26.879 Life of Caesar and the Roman Civil War, and then 2903 02:41:27.559 --> 02:41:29.799 what else do I have coming out? Yeah, that's what 2904 02:41:29.920 --> 02:41:31.920 I think I've got, you know, in the hopper immediately. 2905 02:41:32.479 --> 02:41:36.959 I have no set structure for what my shows are 2906 02:41:37.200 --> 02:41:39.840 there an hour long, but I'll be honest, I'm a 2907 02:41:39.879 --> 02:41:44.879 little bit adhd. So we'll jump from you know, politics, history, philosophy, uh, 2908 02:41:44.959 --> 02:41:47.319 what movies I've seen, and then every once in a while, 2909 02:41:47.399 --> 02:41:49.559 my buddy car will come on and we'll just talk 2910 02:41:49.600 --> 02:41:53.719 about like, you know, uh, literally anything I did. I 2911 02:41:53.799 --> 02:41:55.680 did a show all about cars where all we did 2912 02:41:55.760 --> 02:41:57.760 was look at bring a trailer for like an hour 2913 02:41:57.799 --> 02:41:59.600 and a half. It was a great episode. That's great 2914 02:42:00.040 --> 02:42:00.639 about anything. 2915 02:42:02.200 --> 02:42:04.520 Okay, so what's the last question? This will be fast. 2916 02:42:04.600 --> 02:42:05.639 What's the last movie you saw? 2917 02:42:05.719 --> 02:42:10.920 Yeah, the last movie I reviewed for the podcast was 2918 02:42:10.959 --> 02:42:14.639 actually Elite Squad tropea dae Elite. I watched that maybe 2919 02:42:14.680 --> 02:42:17.479 three weeks ago and then did an episode on it 2920 02:42:17.760 --> 02:42:20.600 just due to scheduling conflict. But before that I watched 2921 02:42:22.840 --> 02:42:25.959 I can't remember if it was Hail Caesar rewatched or 2922 02:42:27.600 --> 02:42:30.959 the Year of the Dragon nineteen eighty five. I did 2923 02:42:31.000 --> 02:42:34.840 a review with Pete Quootees. Great movie. Honestly, a pretty 2924 02:42:34.840 --> 02:42:37.719 good episode. So yeah, there's a lot of couple of 2925 02:42:37.719 --> 02:42:38.200 films I've seen. 2926 02:42:38.239 --> 02:42:39.760 I gotta listen to. I gotta listen to with Pete. 2927 02:42:39.760 --> 02:42:41.760 Pete and I are friends and we both have a 2928 02:42:41.799 --> 02:42:44.559 love of movies, and so I'll share with you real quick, 2929 02:42:44.559 --> 02:42:45.959 if you got if you got a second, Yeah, I 2930 02:42:46.399 --> 02:42:48.280 Matt brack and my friend Matt Bracken sent me on 2931 02:42:48.360 --> 02:42:50.920 a trajectory six months ago to watch a few movies. 2932 02:42:50.959 --> 02:42:54.520 So he said, go see f one, but before you 2933 02:42:54.600 --> 02:42:58.200 do that, see Ford versus Ferrari, which I had never seen, 2934 02:42:58.280 --> 02:43:00.760 the one of them, great movie. And then he sent 2935 02:43:00.760 --> 02:43:03.360 me on the path of watching these. Clinice was spaghetti westerns. 2936 02:43:03.600 --> 02:43:06.280 Have you ever seen those? Few of them? Yeah, fist 2937 02:43:06.319 --> 02:43:08.280 full of dollars for a few dollars more, and the Good, 2938 02:43:08.319 --> 02:43:11.000 the Bad, and the Ugly. You gotta watch him in order, 2939 02:43:11.200 --> 02:43:14.000 because Sir Giulioni and Clinice Wood, Sir Giulioni did all 2940 02:43:14.040 --> 02:43:16.239 three and he had no money for the first one. 2941 02:43:16.760 --> 02:43:18.120 So if you watch him in order, you see the 2942 02:43:18.120 --> 02:43:19.840 budget gets bigger and bigger, and the Good, Bad, and 2943 02:43:19.879 --> 02:43:22.479 the Ugly is a classic. So then he says, when 2944 02:43:22.520 --> 02:43:24.600 you get through those three, go watch Once upon a 2945 02:43:24.639 --> 02:43:28.280 Time in the West. That's Sir Gioloni's fourth movie, Clinice Wood, 2946 02:43:28.280 --> 02:43:32.120 wasn't in it. It's Jay. It's a masterpiece. It's a brilliant, 2947 02:43:32.479 --> 02:43:38.360 beautiful film. So so then so I watched that, and 2948 02:43:38.440 --> 02:43:40.600 then I recently watched V for Vendetta, which I had 2949 02:43:40.639 --> 02:43:44.760 never seen before, and One Battle after Another I just saw. 2950 02:43:46.479 --> 02:43:48.719 Yeah, I my brother in law saw One Battle after 2951 02:43:48.799 --> 02:43:52.200 another did not give it glowing reviews, but uh yeah, 2952 02:43:52.200 --> 02:43:54.399 I need to check out. I honestly, going through the 2953 02:43:54.639 --> 02:43:58.479 spaghetti westerns would be great. I've been on a run 2954 02:43:59.239 --> 02:44:03.760 of American crime movies with my buddy Andrew Edwards, but 2955 02:44:04.559 --> 02:44:06.520 he's kind of a selfish prick and he, you know, 2956 02:44:06.799 --> 02:44:09.040 had a baby and so you know, had to do 2957 02:44:09.159 --> 02:44:11.639 some stuff around it instead of talking with a stranger 2958 02:44:11.719 --> 02:44:14.719 on the internet about movies for that hour. So no, 2959 02:44:14.840 --> 02:44:17.520 in all seriousness, you know, I'm glad for him to 2960 02:44:17.559 --> 02:44:19.799 be doing that. And when he comes back, I think 2961 02:44:19.799 --> 02:44:23.600 we're gonna do unforgiven. But we've got a whole bunch 2962 02:44:23.639 --> 02:44:23.959 set up. 2963 02:44:24.079 --> 02:44:26.200 Point is the reason I'm doing movie reviews is because 2964 02:44:26.200 --> 02:44:29.159 if I talk about politics every day, I will go crazy. 2965 02:44:29.200 --> 02:44:29.799 Where is Anya? 2966 02:44:29.920 --> 02:44:33.520 And uh yeah, it's it's much preferable what's. 2967 02:44:33.399 --> 02:44:35.799 On your American Crime LISTN what's what's movies that you 2968 02:44:35.959 --> 02:44:37.920 you have to that you're gonna review for American Crime. 2969 02:44:39.079 --> 02:44:40.440 Oh let me pull this on the top of your head. 2970 02:44:40.520 --> 02:44:42.079 Let me sorry, give me a second time of the 2971 02:44:42.159 --> 02:44:47.040 list from Andrew Edwards. By the way Andrew Edwards book, 2972 02:44:47.559 --> 02:44:51.200 He is two the first one King of Dogs and 2973 02:44:51.239 --> 02:44:56.959 then the second one. Uh, Crowbar really really fascinating. He's 2974 02:44:56.959 --> 02:44:58.280 a great guy. You guys would get along. 2975 02:44:59.000 --> 02:45:00.559 U you pull this? 2976 02:45:00.879 --> 02:45:01.000 Uh? 2977 02:45:02.200 --> 02:45:03.520 Hey, man, I get his contact of him if he 2978 02:45:03.559 --> 02:45:05.719 wants to come on after, I'd love to talk to him. 2979 02:45:06.639 --> 02:45:09.639 Oh yeah, he's super interesting. Okay, So this is this 2980 02:45:09.799 --> 02:45:12.280 is the list, and some of these I've I've picked 2981 02:45:12.319 --> 02:45:17.159 from already, First Blood, The Natural Thief, No Good Thief, 2982 02:45:17.239 --> 02:45:19.799 The Proposition, No Country for Old Men. Did an episode 2983 02:45:19.840 --> 02:45:24.360 on that, dead Man Rush, The Gray Fox, Chinatown another favorite. 2984 02:45:24.639 --> 02:45:26.239 I actually should do review on that with him because 2985 02:45:26.239 --> 02:45:29.639 I love that movie, which Breaker Morant, Collateral, Sultancy, and 2986 02:45:29.719 --> 02:45:32.719 Red Rock. Chinatown. It's a personal favorite of mine. 2987 02:45:32.920 --> 02:45:34.760 I you know, it's funny. I'm an hour into it. 2988 02:45:35.040 --> 02:45:36.879 I'm an hour and ten minutes into it. I had 2989 02:45:36.959 --> 02:45:38.479 never seen that. I think Matt Bracken told me to 2990 02:45:38.520 --> 02:45:41.600 watch that too. Never never saw it before. So I'm 2991 02:45:41.600 --> 02:45:43.760 an hour and ten so I got like an hour 2992 02:45:43.879 --> 02:45:44.840 left of it. It's great. 2993 02:45:45.360 --> 02:45:48.239 Okay, yeah, well here's here's the reason I love it, 2994 02:45:49.040 --> 02:45:51.559 and I didn't finish it. I didn't finish should get 2995 02:45:51.559 --> 02:45:55.040 into this, but I worked for like a year and 2996 02:45:55.079 --> 02:45:58.440 a half at one of the biggest car collections on 2997 02:45:58.479 --> 02:46:03.479 the East Coast. It was primarily pre World War two stuff. 2998 02:46:04.319 --> 02:46:08.920 And the way this guy got started was he was 2999 02:46:09.000 --> 02:46:12.159 from my area, you know, bought and sold cars, moved 3000 02:46:12.159 --> 02:46:15.920 out to LA and then basically did high end cars, 3001 02:46:16.280 --> 02:46:20.680 the classic cars for movies, television and red carpet events. 3002 02:46:21.120 --> 02:46:23.520 So for instance, we're talking like super high dollar like 3003 02:46:23.600 --> 02:46:26.360 you know, Dus and Bergs, stuff like that. He did 3004 02:46:26.399 --> 02:46:30.440 the cars for who framed Roger Rabbit and also for Chinatown, 3005 02:46:30.840 --> 02:46:34.040 and so a bunch of those cars I saw because 3006 02:46:34.040 --> 02:46:36.200 they were an inventory. I was like, wait a minute, 3007 02:46:37.200 --> 02:46:39.799 you know again forty years later, right, it's like I've 3008 02:46:39.799 --> 02:46:41.959 sat in that car. It's a piece of junk now, 3009 02:46:42.159 --> 02:46:44.920 but it's still cool. So anyway, I love that movie 3010 02:46:45.040 --> 02:46:48.399 for many reasons. It's done exactly an uplifting film. I 3011 02:46:48.440 --> 02:46:50.840 won't spoil it for you. You probably guess that from 3012 02:46:50.879 --> 02:46:53.600 the general tone of it, but uh yeah, man, anyway, 3013 02:46:54.120 --> 02:46:55.120 I'm so sorry, Mike Jack. 3014 02:46:55.120 --> 02:46:57.399 I gotta go where people find it. People. Where can 3015 02:46:57.440 --> 02:46:58.399 people find you real quick? 3016 02:46:59.319 --> 02:47:02.120 Oh yeah, as a professional podcaster, you think i'd have 3017 02:47:02.159 --> 02:47:02.639 this down now. 3018 02:47:03.000 --> 02:47:04.680 That's what I'm here for. That's what I'm here for it, Jay, 3019 02:47:04.719 --> 02:47:05.239 That's what I'm here. 3020 02:47:06.840 --> 02:47:10.639 Available Apple, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you listen to podcasts. If 3021 02:47:10.639 --> 02:47:12.360 you don't want to listen to ads because they're annoying, 3022 02:47:12.680 --> 02:47:14.879 you throw me a few bucks a month on Patreon, Substack, 3023 02:47:14.959 --> 02:47:17.879 or gumbroad all under the same name. Get the episodes 3024 02:47:17.879 --> 02:47:20.120 early in ad free. It's five bucks a month for 3025 02:47:20.479 --> 02:47:24.000 twenty two to twenty five hours of content a week 3026 02:47:24.479 --> 02:47:27.520 or a month rather, I'm not that good. Twenty cents 3027 02:47:27.520 --> 02:47:30.200 an hour really not a bad deal. Again, Mike, I 3028 02:47:30.280 --> 02:47:32.280 appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me. Jay. 3029 02:47:32.319 --> 02:47:35.360 As always, I appreciate you taking the time. I look 3030 02:47:35.399 --> 02:47:38.159 forward to continue to following your work and more conversations. 3031 02:47:38.200 --> 02:48:08.280 I had Mike drop what what what? What's what's 3032 02:48:11.440 --> 02:48:14.639 Garagary program