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Speaker 1: What's going on Clipper Nation? Welcome to episode thirteen twelve

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of season two. We're doing a mine in nikang a

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Visa Zoobots. The big news today signed contract extension with

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the Los Angeles Clippers. It's a steal. We're going to

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talk about it. Adam's here. I'm Chuck Mocker. I don't

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know if I mentioned that up top, but this is

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a great day for Clipper Nation. Three years, fifty eight

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million dollar extension for eats a zoobots. It's incredibly cheap,

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I think, Adam, how are you doing? How are you

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feeling about this? I mean, longest tenured clipper gets locked.

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Speaker 2: Up and he's still only twenty seven. You know, it's weird.

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I was not at a shitty day, and somehow Zoo

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getting sixty million made me feel better too.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, why are you all right?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Pivot from the zoobos news.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I just want to show how much this means.

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I think the Clipper dation. This is a great day.

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It's not unexpected. We knew. We assumed it was coming

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at some point here. Yeah, we're assuming Terrence Man is

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going to get his extension at some point here too.

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It's just great news. For a guy who has done

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everything for this team, who has continued to improve, who

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has been a defensive stalwart, who's one of the best

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defensive big men in the game. I just put this

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tweet out here. I forget who had it. Originally it

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was from somebody from a couple of months ago. But

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you look at Defanne the pick and roll, he was

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second there this season. According to the advanced stats, you

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look at Defanne the rim, he was number one. The

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field goal percentage given up was fifty one point nine percent.

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That was better than Chet Christas, Porzingis, Brook Lopez, Victor Wemba, Yama,

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Lee Hartenstein, Rudy Gobert, Jaren Jackson, Junior Walker Kessler was

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up there. Big Zoom is already an elite rim protector

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and has been four years. That's nothing new in that area.

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He's been like this for over five years now. So

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we're hoping the offensive opportunity is coming. And you matched

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that up with the level of defense he's been playing.

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Oh my goodness, Hey, congratulations Big Zoo, who no longer

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has to make Marvin Bagley money. Yeah, position, he finally

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he's finally out.

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Speaker 1: He'll finally out earn Marvin Bagley. That's it. That's I

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think such a funny point to think about it. How

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valuable Zoo has been for this Clippers team. We've talked

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about the durability. He's literally the most durable Clipper, maybe

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other than Terrence Man, which is also kind of nice.

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He's gotten better every single year. Remember the first year

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against the Worriors in the playoffs, you got played off

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the floor. It was bad. And then every year since

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then he's gotten better. We've saw Tylu close games with

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him recently. You're not finding a starting center who's closing

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games for a team playing really good basketball. When the

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Clippers were doing their thing last season, things were going well,

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especially for that cheat, and this gives you a chance

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to get another big contract. It's a wonderful deal all

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the way around. I see, there's I don't know, it's

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a The only downside is that it might just cost

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the Clippers more money down the road. But that's fine.

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Who cares because they're gonna have I if the Clippers

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are going to be this, you know, if Will who

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will be on soon says if this is our year?

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You know people some are saying is our year? If

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this is the Clippers if the Clippers are going to

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outperform expectations, you know, and all this stuff, Zoo's gonna

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have to be a top ten center. So this gives

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you a chance to earn another big contract while the

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Clippers are also succeeding. I don't know, I love it.

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I can't get enough of this deal.

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Speaker 2: I think he is a top ten center now.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, yeah, he's closer to ten obviously, but that's still yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. There are only a handful of guys who are

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elite centers that are featured offensively, who are putting up

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big points on that end. Typically in today's league, you're

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looking for a rim runner and a rim protector. That's it.

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There are some exceptions. Joe l Embiid can do it all.

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Nikola Jokicic can do it all. Sometimes Yiannis plays center

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next to Brook Lopez, though he's the power forward. Like

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there are just a few guys in today's league. Back

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to the basket. Basketball isn't always the most efficient. People think, oh,

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that's easy work, that's light work for these guys. But

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with zones today, teams load up on them so quickly

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it turns into a tougher shot than you would imagine.

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But we saw Big Zoo in one on one defense

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against the Dallas Mavericks, putting in that work game one.

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He did it. He was the best player for them

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in game one of that series that they wanted a

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couple of years, the second best player overall in that

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series again Dallas. Yeah, the Big Zoo is. I thought

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he disappointed in the series against the Phoenix Suns, didn't

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play up the expectations last season. He definitely did the

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twenty twenty three Phoenix Suns series. And he's only, as

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you mentioned, getting more and more longer of a leash

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from the coaching staff and coach Lou and understanding that

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this is somebody that has to be closing games now.

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And I fully trust he will.

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Speaker 1: Be not only closing games on defense, which is great.

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He needs more field goal at TEPS. He needs to

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break he hasn't broken seven point six. Uh. This is

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not it's not because of Black, It's not because he's

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timid or anything. But he needs to be at twelve

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or something or something like that, or like at least ten,

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you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Like when my parody rap track comes out for forgot

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about Zoo and somebody about Drebod They need it nowadays.

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Everybody want to talk, but.

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Speaker 1: Help kill this idea right now.

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Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 2: They forget about it. Beats the Zoo bots all the time.

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They'll say, one game, are you're gonna get him more

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touches and a quarter in? It's already forgotten, even though

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Zoo has probably a ten and five already. It's unbelievable.

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But without Paul George, somebody else really has to step up.

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I fully believe he's the third most important player on

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this team coming into the season. It's not a question

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mark and it's and that's a positive too. Here we go, big.

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Speaker 1: Will, Big Will in the house. We were just lambasting

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this Zoo deal. We just hate it. No, why do

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you love the Zoo deal so much? We'll start with that.

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Also welcome.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just don't know where you're getting another

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starting caliber center whose biggest contract it might end up

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being four for seventy, Like, I just I don't know.

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And it's not just the money thing, although that is

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a huge part. I mean, it retains a bunch of flexibility.

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They can stay true and they're looking ahead to free agency,

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not making moves right now, and just the production. I

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mean Zoo. I know, people get really frustrated sometimes with

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him in that sometimes the progress is incremental in a

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way that maybe feels like he's due for a bigger jump.

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I think where we're at right now, the only thing

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holding Zoo back from a bigger jump is whatever this

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offense decides to do and however they end up using him.

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I mean, I think he's been able to rise to

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the challenge when they've needed more from him. Clearly, we've

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seen them be able to lean on him more offensively,

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which was always sort of the biggest thing. I mean,

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started his tenure here with two broken fingers, had his

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own sort of blockhanded moment at times, you know, without

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the broken fingers. But overall, I mean from what we've seen,

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you know, like his own limit is touches. Like what

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like what else is holding Zoo back from being like

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a double double guy, like other than touches, I don't,

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Speaker 1: I just said, twelve field goal with types next year.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: It'd be a lot more than he I mean, like

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six seven and a half seven half.

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Speaker 2: It's not yeah, it's not Zoo, it's you. It's not

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giving him the opportunities. That's been the only issue for him,

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not you, I'm saying overall he gets lost in the offense.

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It's the players out there. It is not it's not

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even just Tyleru. I don't know what it is. But

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he's always gotten like almost a rookie like treatment, like

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oh yeah, we also have a beat to Zoo Boss

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instead of featuring him, instead of looking for him. It's

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just been this way for a long time, and there's

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it has to be out of necessity now there's no

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option to not give a beat to Zoo Boss the

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ball more. This is it. They have the right point

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guard in James Harden, who, right before that cap jury

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Zoo was averaging I think thirteen and eleven for about

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a month and a half, was playing the best basketball

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of his career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to thrive this season. I truly believe

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this is it. I thought so before the contract. He's

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the third most important guy. You either get him involved

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or you're not winning much because there's always been an

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easier path to win in my opinion, and it's playing

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through a beats the Zoobos more. It's getting easier buckets

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that way, and without Paul George without Russell Westbrook, two

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high usage players. I just think the ball's gonna find

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him a lot more now.

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Speaker 1: And ass to yeah, you gotta distribute those touches.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what's one of the most frustrating things we've

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watched through this, like through the now defunct two to

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three era, is like, while this team could be remarkable

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in half court sets, one of the most efficient half

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court offenses a couple of years ago, due was like

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an outright refusal at times to get an easy bucket.

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Like it's it's great that you can you know that

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you can really tear apart a defense in that way,

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but sometimes you just got to get some easy buckets.

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Harden and Kawhi, and you know the question marks about

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the injury and the amount of games they'll play for

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both of them, like when they are available to get

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easy buckets when they're out give other guys bigger roles,

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like it just you know, it checks for me all

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the boxes of you know, what we all know is

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the end, which is this is our year.

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Speaker 1: I brought that up earlier. I was gonna say, if

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this is gonna be our year, Zoo. Duce Times is

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in the comments saying All Star season might have Zoo

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will have to maybe be in the All Star conversation

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not gonna happen conversation, but you know what I mean,

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like not like Lego, maybe Zoo like that level of conversation.

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Speaker 3: Just look at the centers ahead of them is just

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Speaker 1: But that's what I mean. He'd be a fringe All

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Star conversation guy. That's what the Clippers need if they're

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going to be a top Some people have some expectations

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for the scene that we're gonna talk about as the

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closer get to the season.

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Speaker 3: But it's not Seating doesn't matter all right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, seating does matter.

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Speaker 3: But the Clippers, when it's your year, baby, when it's your.

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Speaker 2: Year, you don't even have to make the playoffs, like

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it's just your year anyways, Like you could be the

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eleventh spot and that's still their year. I do what

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to say to that point about the All Star how

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about the conversation starts moving to this. Zoo is as

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important defensively for them as somebody like Rudy Gobert is

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for the Minnesota Timberwolves. People start realizing just how good

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and what an anchor eats.

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Speaker 3: Zoo Bots is more of an offensive bag too.

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Speaker 1: With more offense, Yeah, can make free throws, can like

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actually make you think about what's happening.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's what like, that's what I'm saying, like

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I I'm you know, there are some better offensive centers,

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of course, but like the biggest emiting factor right now

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is just touches. I feel like for Zoo in that regard.

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Speaker 2: Always, like I I think it's been one of the

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failures of the two and three era, not getting to

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beat to zoobots involvedmore.

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Speaker 3: He should wear all orange shot sleeves on arms and legs,

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so he's like a big cone out there.

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Speaker 2: Canvas cone on defense. He can move a little bit defend.

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Speaker 1: So we did get a question this morning in regards

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to Zoo from Daniel Am which I think was, first

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of all, what did he.

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Speaker 2: Know, Daniel Mind, I've met I think.

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Speaker 1: Will and I you and I have met this guy before,

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I think in Echo Park. Hell yeah, he said, you

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guys talk a lot of Zoo growing out his hair.

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What type of haircut would you guys prefer to give him?

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A mullet of bowl cut? Long braided hair or rat tail.

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Both would be absolutely hilarious.

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Speaker 3: I do like that idea lasts, but in my mind

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it's kind of like Bjorn Borg. It's like just it's

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just this long hair hair. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, he's

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got to have a headband. You gotta keep that out

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of his eyes.

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Speaker 1: Sure, out of what we're.

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Speaker 2: Your headband crown. I mean, put the crowd on the

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NBA crowds. Uh yeah, I'm fine with some kingly long

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Speaker 1: So we've gotten a couple questions too, and a couple

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of things shown. I feel like Terrence Man or Powell

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deal incoming. I don't know if anyone's getting traded. I

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don't think Terrence Fan and Norm Poweller getting traded.

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Speaker 2: I definitely don't think Terrence Man is. At this point, Guys,

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what what are you getting that's better than the ten

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million he's getting paid for that level of production? Who

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is doing extension? Yes, but that's one of those guys

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you've invested so much, Just like a Beata Zubats, I

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don't think he's going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: I would be very surprised if we see him move

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prior to the season.

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Speaker 1: I just it's gonna be a deadline thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think if anything, it's a deadline thing. You know,

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maybe if contract negotiation talks aren't going well with Terrence,

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like maybe.

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Speaker 1: It has been cag maybe it's been a little not

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I shouldn't say cage brought up. It's just like, yeah,

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we're working on it, and you're like, I gotta.

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Speaker 3: Be honest, if I was in his position, even if

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I felt pretty strongly I was gonna come back to

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the Clippers, wouldn't you at least want to test the waters,

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like you you know, you've never even tested the water

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to cre agency, so you know, I could kind of

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see that. But Powell, I don't know, we have to

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see how the team looks. Powell is just not expendable

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in the way people once thought that he was. And

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I don't really know, he's like such a specific piece.

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are you really getting that's a step up for the Clippers.

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I'm having trouble seen anything other than maybe like a

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lateral move. And if it's Terrence and Norm, sure still not.

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I mean, that's a decent amount of money to work with.

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You know that that's possible. I don't see it. There's

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no way it happens before the season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got an Adam apology in the chat from

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JM one three two four Zoo which is short for

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Zubach chat. We're just using slang. Zoo short for zubat Uh.

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He's banking all defense this year and to Adam they apologize.

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I thought Zoo wanted more money, but I respect his

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contract decision. This sets him up for a big ass

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contract after this contract because he will be thirty. He

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has another big contract coming.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: If he's a top ten center for three years while

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the Clippers are in this period, maybe he gets four

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with the raised cap.

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Speaker 2: It's an extension, so that's.

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Speaker 3: The new four for seventy.

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Speaker 2: They have him locked up for four years now because

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it's an extension on top of the one year deal.

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So it's four years.

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Speaker 1: So he'll be thirty one, which is I mean?

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Speaker 2: And if I was gonna buy any jersey, it'd probably

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be big Zoo.

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Speaker 1: Would it be a Red one? Oh yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Will wait patiently for the Red Ones to show up

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at the Flagship store and I will be there.

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Speaker 1: You'll wait at the Flagship store.

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Speaker 2: I'll open end.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but yeah, I mean thirty one if he

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keeps improving. Yeah, I think four for one hundred is

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what he gets when he's thirty one, maybe more.

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Speaker 3: At the end, he'll have it. Look at he'll have

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a decade of Clipper service, right am? I counting that correctly?

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Speaker 1: Of league service, I think not of clipper service, because

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he had two seasons with the Lakers. He was drafted

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when he was like nineteen. Yeah, his first season with

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the Lakers was twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Who's who's worried about the next contract? You just got

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the extension on this one. You know.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for the next contract if he gets If

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he gets a big contract next, it's gonna be looking

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at max money. Yeah, and it's gonna be because he

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played so well. This is fantastic. I'm excited. Extra Ernie

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is saying Zoo's gonna be an All Star. We don't

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know about that. I was just laughed at by my

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co host was saying he would be in the conversation.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love the enthusias, but I agree love your head's.

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Speaker 1: Honestly all Stars.

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Speaker 3: I didn't love if they if they let a few

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of you on if they let a few of you

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on the voting board, common sense in there, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Something we almost had a conniption about, you go tea

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party on the All Star voters. Just something we found

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alarming After the season ended. I think this was in

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the first month of the off season, we were like,

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how many minutes of beata Zoobs ended up playing last year?

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And it was revealed that he ended up playing two

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less minutes per game than the year before. Yeah, and

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that I think you.

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Speaker 3: Do have to bear in mind the cap injury.

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Speaker 2: Though, I mean it's minutes per game.

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Speaker 1: It crazy.

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Speaker 2: Did he slowly back in to ramp up minutes that

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after he.

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Speaker 3: Came playfull he didn't play full minutes? I don't think

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when he first started. I think, like a couple of teeners,

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a couple of eighteeners.

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Speaker 1: Let me do one of my favorite things in the

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world and pull up the game logs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, was he was he had thirty five

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before that or something? I missed it.

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Speaker 1: When he came back, he went, mmm, he went eighteen

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missed the game? Teeners missed the game twenty one, nineteen,

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twenty two, twenty seven, twenty nine, twenty six, thirty three,

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he was kind of back and forth.

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Speaker 3: A couple of teeners in there.

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Speaker 1: He played some four he played a fourteen he played.

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Speaker 2: Let's put it this way, the most average in a

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month was twenty eight point one. That should be the

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fewest amount this next season. Right, he should be above

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thirty because often politics can be involved money play. This

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is a good thing for emboldening the coaching staff to

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play him more. He's one of your higher paid players.

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Now he's got to be out there. I just I

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can't have a Vista Zubos playing under thirty minutes per

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game anymore. If he is, it's because he's in foul trouble.

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That's the only way it should happen. Because we talk

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about the backup center position and how that's going to

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be interesting to watch.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we have there was a little bit of news

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about that regarding that.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead, I got nothing from Mark Stein. He

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has been wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong when it comes

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to the Clippers. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I I think I think they're absolutely looking

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to upgrade. But we we sort of know that they're

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eyeing a little bit further. We just sort of know

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that they're eyeing a little bit further down the path.

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I just don't know if that means it's not a

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big swear it's not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I want to touch on the backup center

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thing real quick. We are going to take a quick

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You know, we talked about the zoo extension. I didn't

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open the rundown yet. What what are we talking about next?

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Speaker 1: So this is actually kind of an audible, but law

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Murray was kind of tweeting about Ki Jones because're talking

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about how great the starting center situation is. We know

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the backup situation is some would say terrifying.

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Speaker 2: I still think it's better than last season, honestly.

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Speaker 3: Fair Well, I forgot, where did you guys land at

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Sorry to side tul this for a second, but where

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did you guys Landa at scarier position? Backup center like

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power forward dead. I still think it's backup center for me, but.

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Speaker 1: Is better than either Kai Jones or So. It's like, okay,

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so Nicks.

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Speaker 3: The backup.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would like to know when we talk

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about how scary the backup center position is, tell me

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all the teams who have great backup centers.

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Speaker 1: That's fair.

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty.

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Speaker 1: It's just thin margins, I guess would be mine, you

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know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like last year was bad, We're getting a lot of

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Kai Jones love, Charles, Let's.

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Speaker 1: Get into it.

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Speaker 3: There was so rudely interrupted this.

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Speaker 1: There was this part. One of this podcast favorite things

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is the Rico Heins runs. We love them. Jordan is

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in the chat saying, you don't know how good Kai

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Jones was. He's still alive. We hope he's good for

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the Clippers next season. He was at a Rico Hines

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runs recently yesterday, I believe La Murray was there reporting.

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He said Kai Jones is finally healthy and he understands

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he needs to be loud defensively as a center, and

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then he's looking forward to October. Someone said, no chance

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to try and play him as a four. Law said,

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got to build a foundation. The focus is on him

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being a five until further notice, which makes total sense.

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There's always a chance for positional expansion, but that's not

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my expectation for now. Kai still has to make the team.

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Positive things to hear for people who were Kai Jones

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fans or maybe worried about backup five is that he

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understands he has to be good defensively. That is I

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hope it's true, because that is how you get minutes

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on this team.

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Speaker 2: The code has been cracked.

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Speaker 1: The code's been cracked. Be good at defense, and he's healthy.

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These are pros.

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Speaker 2: I'm a fan. I'm rooting for the guy, and I'm

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rooting from Obama, who I do think has more upside

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still and his buddies with Kawai. That was to hear

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from Kelly Johnston.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's played more real NBA minutes than Kai Jones

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by quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: I had not heard this till I talk with Joseph.

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Tell me if this was news to you, guys, I

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had no idea about this. Joseph said they had been

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targeting Mobamba for years, and I'd never heard of that before.

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Speaker 3: I've heard some rumblings about about a possible bomba.

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Speaker 2: Look, well, I believe it now because the reason would

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be Kawhi Leonard liked him and they've been talking for

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a while, so it makes sense. Yeah, and I wouldn't

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always believe Joseph, but in this case it lines up well.

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Speaker 3: I heard, but I wasn't sure if that was just

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a fan thing. Yeah, I certainly didn't hear anything.

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Speaker 1: Confirmed, but yeah, good to hear that. I like seeing

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that Kai is healthy and at high level offseason basketball

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competitions because there's pro ams, which if you've been to

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a pro am, that level of competition can range from

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pretty good to a contest. But the Rico Heines level

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of it's not you're not fucking around at the Rico

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Heines runs. It's full of NBA guy like and Rico

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is there.

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Speaker 2: Like James Harden has been a staple there forever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big time guys put in big time work.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Obama could be a star in his

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role limited minutes. So if Zoo's getting thirty minutes and

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we do see some small ball, thirty three, okay, Zoo

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00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:36,599
thirty six? All right? Coach Adam is saying, Zoo. If

473
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,359
Zoo's getting thirty three, sixty three and wow, man, long

474
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,839
season for the Clippers. If he's outaging sixty three minutes

475
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,759
a game, Wow, tired legs at the end of that.

476
00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:52,799
Will those seventeen games in March again, Uh, Zoo's playing

477
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,200
thirty We get a little bit of small ball five.

478
00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,839
How many minutes is the backup center playing? You know

479
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,319
what I mean?

480
00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: Is it thirteen to fifteen?

481
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:12,599
Speaker 1: Yeah? So Mobile been thirteen to fifteen minutes. What is

482
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,440
one of the things that looks like for that really

483
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,119
good defense and eight points and four rebounds.

484
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,039
Speaker 2: Every team's fan base seems to say about Mobama that,

485
00:25:24,079 --> 00:25:25,799
you know, he's one of those guys that'll have a

486
00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:31,279
really good game, you'll up your expectations for him, and

487
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:33,839
then he'll disappoint. He'll show you what he could be,

488
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,839
but then he'll disappoint. He's still young enough where he

489
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,440
can put it together. He's just turning twenty six, I think.

490
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,319
Speaker 3: But that's the thing, right, Like that's part of the

491
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,160
reason why he's at the level that he's at is like,

492
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,240
consistency is such a difficult thing to do in this league,

493
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,960
night in and night out. And granted it's been even

494
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,400
more difficult for him because he's been on different teams.

495
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,960
You know, he's been moved around, his role has been changed.

496
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,200
But yeah, that's either something that you can kind of

497
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,400
adapt with or you cannot. So Starr in his role,

498
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:09,039
I think it just really depends on what that role is.

499
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: Eight and four with good defense, and he's a star

500
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:11,400
in the.

501
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: Role eight and four would eight and four would.

502
00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:16,799
Speaker 1: Be sorry, that's crazy, let's call it. Let's call it

503
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,359
four and four and good defense. Okay, we have to

504
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,480
address this question from Jordan, who we don't know, but

505
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,400
they're just playing names. Jordan, Elicans needed a center. What

506
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,720
would you guys think of patching Zubats Norm and Bones

507
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:38,640
for Ingro. Well, then our starting center is Mobaba and

508
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:40,480
we just signed Zubos to an extension.

509
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: Glad we made all those points of how important to

510
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:44,160
just to trade him.

511
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 3: I like a lot, I would like I would love

512
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,359
I would love to be watching him on this team.

513
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:57,079
We just we we don't have the depth to make

514
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,960
a big swing like that right now.

515
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,759
Speaker 2: No Villans wouldn't even do that. They want a center

516
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,160
that has ranged to pair next to Zion.

517
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: Well, they haven't led Zoos shoot. What if Zu shoots

518
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,240
for three this year six attempts a game.

519
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be shocked.

520
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: Tyler Van Gundy's just made Tyler lose his mind to

521
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,799
the point that he's like the threes.

522
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 2: Hey, for all we've said about Mobama and how he's disappointed,

523
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:29,160
there is a real skill set there with being able

524
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,559
to shoot from three. He's taken over seven hundred threes

525
00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:34,400
in his career at above a thirty six percent clip.

526
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:35,319
That's real.

527
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,759
Speaker 1: Nothing. What is your they'll do this?

528
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:44,039
Speaker 2: What theod Wall like prediction for.

529
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: What is what is your diet? John Wall prediction for

530
00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:50,559
those wait for? First of all, I think before we

531
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:56,440
started doing Lives on YouTube, we did the pod and

532
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:01,000
Adam proclaimed that he thought, I want to get this right,

533
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:04,799
that John Wall would shoot on corner threes.

534
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 2: I have to take exactly it's it's it was something

535
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,480
like that. It wasn't even corner threes. I said, like

536
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,119
above thirty percent on the.

537
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:16,519
Speaker 1: Season, Yeah, on three, So that is we reference that

538
00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:18,039
a lot because John Wall did not.

539
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: Do that and something some referencing that, and he's.

540
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,279
Speaker 3: No longer sas the king of receipts. Don't pull my receipts, please.

541
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: Yes, that has not pulled many are you guys, But

542
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:33,279
I have no receipts.

543
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,039
Speaker 1: No receipts. When you pay cash, you feel me? Uh

544
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:42,759
what uh? What is your diet? John Wall prediction for

545
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:44,519
Mobombas shooting.

546
00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: Give me thirty six and a half percent? Above that

547
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:53,400
six and a half, I mean above that.

548
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,359
Speaker 1: That's that doesn't seem crazy.

549
00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:04,839
Speaker 2: No, he has shot thirty almost forty though twelve on

550
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,079
the season this year.

551
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: Let's call it per game, per game. Yeah, it's probably

552
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,240
like two two. Yeah, he averaged the one year he

553
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:14,960
averaged four.

554
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,839
Speaker 3: That's another game.

555
00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: The one year he averaged four to three point attention

556
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,200
for game he shot thirty eight percent.

557
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,559
Speaker 3: That is John will take.

558
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: I respect that. I respect that take.

559
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:32,799
Speaker 3: But that's just not really what we're looking for at

560
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:34,200
a backup center for this team.

561
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: Right, So that's kind of the issue too, Right. That

562
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:39,279
was the issue with Tys is that Tyson was like,

563
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:41,079
you can stretch the floor, this is cool, but you're

564
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:43,200
also like, at least Bamba has size.

565
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: Bomba went Tys really couldn't stretch the floor.

566
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: Right, it was fake.

567
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,079
Speaker 3: If Tyson was four inches taller, though, like his defensive

568
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:53,240
effort was a lot better than Mason plumbles, then it

569
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:54,759
would have been less of an issue.

570
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Someone in the chat said, yeah, JJ, the boy said,

571
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:02,000
all backup has to do is legit play better.

572
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, you nailed it, J.

573
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:08,839
Speaker 2: You're a better situation they are.

574
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:11,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and do we think so now that we're kind

575
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:14,960
of kicking this idea around? I got I had. I

576
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:17,960
woke up in a cold sweat the other day because

577
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,720
I thought maybe PJ. Tucker is still on the team,

578
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:22,400
because Tyler is going to try and use him in

579
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,039
small ball five situations.

580
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:26,759
Speaker 3: No, nobody wants it.

581
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,079
Speaker 1: That's why I woke up in the cold.

582
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: It's a tactical decision.

583
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:33,599
Speaker 2: It's so terrified, dream, nightmare or premonition.

584
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,039
Speaker 1: Uh, that's see, that's why I went I did that

585
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:38,839
wake up.

586
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're trying to sound with lots of dog ship

587
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:43,960
under the bridge and no one buys it. It's not

588
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,720
because you're saving it for later, it's because nobody wants it.

589
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: That's maybe the greatest analogy of all time.

590
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: That's fair. Okay, So what so the small ball five

591
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:56,240
is still going to be at the five.

592
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,559
Speaker 3: Basically starting line up Nico at the five. I think

593
00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:02,680
we're moving away from that as just a.

594
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:05,319
Speaker 2: It's a lot of wear and tearing an older player

595
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:06,720
to make him play the five that much.

596
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,039
Speaker 1: Yea fair. So then we're gonna see more of the

597
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:12,119
backup center track Kobe.

598
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:17,079
Speaker 3: Brown of the backup five just zoo opening closing.

599
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: That maybe it's kai Jones as the backup backup five Jones?

600
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: What about kai Jones?

601
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: What is he listed as six ' ten?

602
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: Let me look it up.

603
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:33,119
Speaker 2: I mean, is that.

604
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:37,119
Speaker 1: He's six eleven? I would say he's talking six ten?

605
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah he I don't want to say projects, but he

606
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:47,720
has shown in very very small spurts of ability to

607
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:50,519
move his feet on the perimeter. And if you're going

608
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:55,480
for a smaller ball, more maneuverable five, maybe kai Jones

609
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:56,119
ends up being it.

610
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: You kind of got to pass out of the five

611
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,480
spot there, right, And I don't know if Kaiju Zones

612
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:03,799
can move the ball the way that it needs.

613
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:05,559
Speaker 2: To be moved, not like PJ.

614
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: Not look not like PJ. That what was a deft

615
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:13,799
touch of a veteran.

616
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: No small ball. How about that? What if there is

617
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:18,119
just no small ball, so that.

618
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:21,559
Speaker 1: Would be fine, But I don't think that's on the table.

619
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:24,839
But that's just a lot of the backup. So we

620
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,839
really oregon Zoo's getting thirty five. If there's no small ball,

621
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,400
Zoo's getting thirty five or might have.

622
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:34,359
Speaker 2: To what if it's you know what it is, it's

623
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:38,119
likely Kawhi playing the five if they're playing small ball, Yeah,

624
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:41,279
that's what it is. He did some of it last year.

625
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:44,799
Ir his his rent protection and last line of defense.

626
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,880
Defense is really damn good. Like he's he's pretty amazing

627
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,640
at playing some of that free safety. I don't love

628
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,920
the idea of him having to do it, but I

629
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:55,920
think it will happened here and there.

630
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:58,559
Speaker 1: Well that's the funny thing too. That makes me think

631
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:03,000
about Zoo and the bench right, Like, is Zoo's gonna

632
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,920
have to probably bridge some minutes with the bench unit,

633
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,480
you know what I mean? Because if Kawhi is playing

634
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,480
small ball five, he's not gonna be out there when

635
00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:13,839
Zo's out there and stuff like that. So I wonder

636
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,279
that's gonna call on norm maybe of trying to show

637
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,920
or like we hope the chemistry with Chris Dunn is

638
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,200
good with Zoo and they build that up in training camp,

639
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:25,519
right like, because he's gonna have to play with the

640
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:27,400
second with the backups.

641
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,839
Speaker 2: I I think he and Harden are gonna have to

642
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:33,400
play with the backups a lot. I think Harden might

643
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,319
come out earlier in the first quarter as he did

644
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:40,319
last season, to then start second quarters and to run

645
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:44,279
the second unit a lot. Because I think the big

646
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:48,599
question here to me is is Kevin Porter Junior gonna

647
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:52,359
be available? That's how I think normOn how could end

648
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,440
up being traded if they see that Kevin Porter Junior

649
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,640
can fill in some of the six man stuff. Because

650
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,319
there's a real concern.

651
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: There's also another there might be another thing, right, isn't

652
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,480
there going to be another investigation or something happening with

653
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:06,319
Kevin Porter.

654
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,599
Speaker 2: That No, Yeah, the NBA is investigating it, right, Okay?

655
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:15,360
Is he going to be available? So because Norm, Kevin

656
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,119
Porter Junior, and Chris Dunn, if they're all three coming

657
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,119
on the off the bench, let's say they're all available,

658
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,280
that's problematic. Playing Norman KPJ isn't great. And that's the

659
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,320
one area I would give into somebody making the argument

660
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,760
that Okay, Norm should be starting, because you don't want

661
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,199
him coming off the bench with another guy that doesn't

662
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,480
play great defense either. How do you make that work?

663
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,920
I still want Terrence Man starting, don't get me wrong,

664
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,960
but I think that is the point you would make.

665
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't think Chris down can make up.

666
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: Enough, not for three guards.

667
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,039
Speaker 3: I don't want to take Terrence's starting spot.

668
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: Not what I'm saying at all.

669
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: People are saying KPJ is the biggest X factor. I

670
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:10,559
don't that's I don't think that's true at all. I

671
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:12,360
don't think you give the biggest X factor on the

672
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,239
team as small of a contract as they gave him.

673
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,599
And I just think that makes sense.

674
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 3: Um, I mean it is a big you know, it's

675
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,920
a big proved deal. I can I can see sure,

676
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,920
I can see the reasoning behind that. I just I

677
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,840
guess I still have questions as to what his role

678
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,960
is going to be like. As Adam said, I mean

679
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:31,320
that that is the one scenario where Norm does become expendable.

680
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,159
I just I would have to see it on the

681
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:38,599
court before I'm even close to thinking about that conversation.

682
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: We can't be like, oh, he's he's going to be

683
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,679
a pivotal player we have. No, he hasn't been in

684
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:43,119
the league.

685
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: I think the move that everybody's talking about could be

686
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,320
hinging on the fact of whether or not he's even

687
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,320
going to be available.

688
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,639
Speaker 1: Collins one the people keep spamming in the chat and

689
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,000
for the last five years of my life covering the Cliff,

690
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:02,480
every year they're gonna trade for John Collins.

691
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: He is not good?

692
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: Have we considered that that he's not as good as

693
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:08,440
we want.

694
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: Him to be? So is that who Mark Stein is

695
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,159
saying they're gonna get?

696
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:18,599
Speaker 1: But we've this question has been and sorry, John John Origuez,

697
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:23,159
this is this is not aimed at you, but this

698
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,119
has been a question for a borderline decade, not not

699
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,719
even close, but every season should the Clippers get Maybe

700
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,639
he just doesn't fit.

701
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,519
Speaker 3: I mean I can see the fit, but like.

702
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: I don't know.

703
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,079
Speaker 2: The Jazz aren't having a selloff. By the way, anymore,

704
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,320
marketing is good for this year. He can't be traded,

705
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,880
so they're going to try to win a little bit here.

706
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't. And then he's the backup because

707
00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:55,920
he's not starting OVERSU.

708
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, he'd definitely be the backup. Yeah, And that's why,

709
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,159
like that's I guess. My question too, is like, so

710
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:03,320
how much are you really willing to give up?

711
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:03,639
Speaker 1: All?

712
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 3: Asset wise?

713
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: I think he'd be the starting power forward if they've

714
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,039
got Collins. Yeah, and it would be Derek Jones Junior

715
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:13,679
or Terrence Man coming off the bench.

716
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:20,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd probably be Derek Jones. Right, Eh, you just

717
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,920
got paid. Sorry, I'm looking at Jones Collins stats.

718
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,639
Speaker 2: I'm also intrigued where's he at athletically compared to the

719
00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:32,840
guy that could put his head almost above the rep right.

720
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:35,360
I know he's still relatively young. Was he twenty seven?

721
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:40,960
But I think he's had some injuries that a.

722
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: Good shooter on three attempts? I mean, hey, he's kind

723
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,519
of streaky. No, he's a good shooter. He's the average shooter.

724
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: Oh what threes?

725
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:55,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, we kind of do need a power forward center

726
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,119
j R. I'm not argue against them, but we'll see that.

727
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:01,079
Like this is it. See, the point of this year

728
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,480
is to see maybe what we have. Hopefully Kobe Brown

729
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:06,559
is good in training camp and stuff like that, because

730
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:08,119
that is how again, we.

731
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: Can't play young guys and get them opportunities while we're

732
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,320
also still bringing in la You can't have all of them.

733
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,719
How are we ever gonna find out about two guys

734
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,760
that are about to turn twenty five in Kobe Brown

735
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,480
and Jordan.

736
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: Allen Well And the thing with Kobe Brown, Nate g

737
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,000
brings up if Kobe just had a knockdown three pointer,

738
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:29,800
blah blah blah, that was respectful, blah blah blah. But

739
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,360
there's the other side of the ball. He's slow on

740
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,000
the perimeter.

741
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:34,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we've seen it.

742
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: He's slow on the perimeter is an issue with Kobe.

743
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,800
He can destroy smaller guys on offense, but he can't

744
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,880
keep up with them. I think you think you're done

745
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:45,480
with Kobe.

746
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: I like it. I like him.

747
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: I'd like for it to work out, but it's our year,

748
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:50,880
but not Kobe's.

749
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: Well, it's like he'll get a ring. Kobe will get

750
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,800
a ring, but you know, not with this organization.

751
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: I still think there's a lot that he could prove.

752
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,639
I want to see him get another opportunity. But I

753
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,480
understand what you're saying too, that he's about to turn

754
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:13,159
twenty five. He has to show something real soon here

755
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,159
and the Summer League was up and down.

756
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:18,559
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that the thing to me

757
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:20,920
with Kobe Is, I feel like he's still incredibly wrong,

758
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,679
but not like extremely gifted athletically, So like I don't write,

759
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:26,960
you know, I.

760
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: Like the guy.

761
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: I would love for him to fry. Of course, I'm

762
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:32,599
just not seeing it.

763
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,079
Speaker 2: The reason people were trying to compare him to Draymond

764
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,639
is partially because, like Draymond, he's not a great athlete.

765
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,480
So is right, does he have amazing defensive He's one of.

766
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,679
Speaker 1: The best defenders all.

767
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:51,559
Speaker 2: I was the one making the comparison, but people were

768
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,840
doing that. It's like the only way he could be

769
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,719
Draymond is if he has some semblans of a three

770
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,920
point shot, where Raymond actually used to be good at. Yeah, yeah,

771
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,679
these crazy versatile defensively.

772
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see and you know what, and there's

773
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:11,039
if there's one thing that this team is generally, when

774
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:14,599
that starts to snap in, at least for me, that's

775
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:15,440
your experience.

776
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I started seeing it, like defensively, I started seeing

777
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:22,519
stuff on a different level and like.

778
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: The three was wet. Yeah, sure, all right, we got

779
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,880
to take another quick break and then I want to

780
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,760
talk maybe an insane idea that I was thinking about

781
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,360
and people getting overcharged into it. Though, which they admitted.

782
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:37,159
So we're doing an audio break. If you listen to audio,

783
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:39,320
you missed the live, which is no big deal. It's

784
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,000
up on YouTube if you want to watch the whole thing.

785
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,519
You can see Adam andized new hats, which is cool.

786
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: Chat.

787
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: You can see the chat people are excited about Larry

788
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,920
Nance maybe sometime before the deadline. But thank you for

789
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,639
hanging out in the chat. We'll be back to talk.

790
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,320
A foolish idea, A maybe foolish idea I had and

791
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,159
being overcharged into it for this in three two.

792
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: One, welcome back in and say clips and dip live.

793
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:08,039
I out of Ozon. We got Chuck Mockler and Will

794
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:11,000
Updyke and you guys joining us here on the YouTube side.

795
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:14,239
Very fun. It's a red letter type of days, my

796
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,679
friend Pentrispapadakas would say, because not only are we all

797
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:20,599
but there was some breaking news just a few minutes

798
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:24,280
beforehand with the Beatza Zubats signing a three year extension

799
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,199
of about sixty million. So he's making just under twenty

800
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,039
million a year after still making I think the Marvin

801
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,559
Badly thirteen million or whatever it is this year. But

802
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:35,159
then he gets that that big bump and he has

803
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,960
earned it and then some and we all believe that

804
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:42,199
he's going to outperform the contract and show anyone who's

805
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,280
getting on me, like some people on Twitter saying, what

806
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,719
ten and nine is your third best player on the team,

807
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,599
because I've been saying it beats the Zubas. I think

808
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:51,559
it is the third best player, most important player. Watchers,

809
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:55,719
it's like, well, look at his thirty six, give him,

810
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,400
give him more minutes, and all of a sudden, he's

811
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,480
sixty and ten, no playoffs against the Dallas Mavericks. So

812
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:05,079
I think we all know his potential is much higher

813
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:06,880
than ten and not absolutely.

814
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: And again, if you're arguing points and rebounds for something

815
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,039
like that, congratulations on being able to read something that's,

816
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:21,559
you know, easier to read than a letter. Okay, I

817
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:25,559
had a crazy idea. There was the Tailiu article. I

818
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:29,079
was getting hype thinking about him and Van Gundy just

819
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:32,239
becoming lunatics on the defensive end of the court and

820
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,920
scheming up some good stuff and good things happening for

821
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,800
the Clippers. What would it take for Tyler to win

822
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,599
Coach of the Year if the Clippers are a top

823
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:45,280
four seed with a top ten defense, and a couple.

824
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: Unfortunately it's not based on playoffs, because if it was

825
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,800
based on playoffs, obviously he's showing.

826
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,199
Speaker 1: Because so yeah, sure, but it is a regular season award,

827
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,320
top ten defense, above app ridge offense, a couple of

828
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,320
signature regular season wins. I think he's in the conversation.

829
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just has to. They have to massively outperform expectations,

830
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,960
and they're really damn low right now for some people.

831
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,119
Speaker 3: I mean that's true, like that, that is true. He

832
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,480
is kind of in a better position. They're real low.

833
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: Like people think this team is going to be.

834
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,119
Speaker 3: What's the Vegas over underwing wins forty three, forty five?

835
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's forty one. I think

836
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,559
it's like, oh yeah, it's some forty three. Does anyone

837
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:33,400
know any betting websites I could check? I don't do

838
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:38,519
pretty sure any of that stuff. Just check your no.

839
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 3: Code, go ahead, drop chat.

840
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,159
Speaker 1: But what would it take. I think a top four

841
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,880
seed with the top ten defense clinches it.

842
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,159
Speaker 3: That's going to be something.

843
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking right now is going to end. I have

844
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,960
to use someone's code, and I've never done this before.

845
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,159
Speaker 2: I'm not going to Colory in to Vegas. It could,

846
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:02,400
but I.

847
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,079
Speaker 1: Said they might be somebody something. But I think I

848
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:08,039
was I think this is I think I was sad.

849
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:14,360
And it was before the DJJ sign it.

850
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: Like right his regency opened up. You're like, other, Well, I.

851
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: Think I said they'd win forty one games, so I

852
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,840
think it was like, you know, it broke the streak

853
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,159
or forty games.

854
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:24,599
Speaker 2: It's possible when we don't know what Kawhi is playing.

855
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,239
We don't know what how healthy is James Hard going

856
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:27,440
to be.

857
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,519
Speaker 1: It's like, why is gonna play seventy two games? Hard

858
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:34,559
to play eighty?

859
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,119
Speaker 2: Give us how many games Kawhi is playing. We'll spit

860
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:38,079
out the number of wins the.

861
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: Clippers half so you can bet your house on it.

862
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: I thought I saw forty one and a half or

863
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,199
something the other day.

864
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: Where did you see that?

865
00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: Somebody was I think quote Mavada.

866
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: Forty and a half, forty everyone's got forty and a half.

867
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where they're putting.

868
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am this is not advice. This is me

869
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,960
talking about home repair. I am hammering that.

870
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:06,599
Speaker 2: Stop them.

871
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,599
Speaker 1: I'm rending a jackhammer and just a forty and a half.

872
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,000
Yeah it is.

873
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 3: I think I think those lots of a week. Like,

874
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:18,599
I feel like people aren't factoring in how little Paul

875
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:23,960
George played when he was here into some of those projections.

876
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:24,800
They won.

877
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 2: Was a fifty one to fifty two games last season,

878
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:30,760
God damn man, it was. It was one of the

879
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,079
other are they Are they going to be ten wins

880
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:39,480
less without Paul George? But yeah, I think they're taking

881
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:40,519
into account what Vegas.

882
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:43,159
Speaker 3: But there will be less games than last season too.

883
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: Oh, I've played sixty eight for sure.

884
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: For sure.

885
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 2: If he just doesn't play the sixteen back to backs

886
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,599
one of those games, he's already at sixty six. So yeah,

887
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,360
I think that's a safe bet. But I think what

888
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,880
they're looking at is the West is so deep that

889
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:06,679
records are going to be lowered overall because of that.

890
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,159
Speaker 1: Does anyone know the odds of them repeating as Pacific

891
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:14,199
Division champs? I couldn't find that anywhere. Yeah, who has

892
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,760
the pack dev odds? I asked the bookie for those,

893
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,559
and he told me to get away from him.

894
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: Chat Pacific Division.

895
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:25,639
Speaker 1: He said, dude, you need help. Yeah, chat pack Dave

896
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:31,159
is Pacific Division. Okay, so we all agree. If you

897
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:33,320
can find odds on Tyler Coach of the year. Maybe

898
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:43,599
take that. I think a lot a lot of assistant

899
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:46,320
Coach of the year. Absolutely, they have a top ten defense,

900
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,360
all right. Then the other thing, people were getting overcharged

901
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:55,039
into it, which happened for tickets.

902
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: For tickets, I thought it was going to be for

903
00:46:57,559 --> 00:46:59,800
merch because they did acknowledge that. There is a bit

904
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,679
of a flaw with the merch thing. There's been some

905
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:05,239
if you like, pick stuff up and don't put it

906
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,239
back at one of the designated putbacks where it came from,

907
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,679
you might just get charged for it.

908
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been a couple of double charges. But they

909
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,360
sent an email, how.

910
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,199
Speaker 2: You pick it up? Commit?

911
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: If Adam worked in the ship store that place, that

912
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:29,559
place would clear I don't know whatever their daily target is.

913
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:30,079
That place is.

914
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 3: Clearly be looking at that for a little long you

915
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,639
have to buy it. You're gonna have to buy it.

916
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: Because of retina scanning. Once your retina has been focused

917
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,599
on the logo long enough, you've purchased that HALP possession

918
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:42,000
is nine tenths of the law, So you will go

919
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,519
to jail if you do not buy that hat.

920
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: How long you've been staring at that? What your Superman?

921
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,599
You're gonna stare right through it. My god, you got

922
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:48,920
a vision. Just buy it.

923
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: Game scene. Okay. They sent an email saying, thank you

924
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,559
for your recent purchase of Clippers tickets for the twenty

925
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:57,199
four to twenty five season. We wanted to inform you

926
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,960
that there was an internal coding error during your train

927
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,559
action which resulted in an overcharge. We have taken the

928
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:05,760
proper steps to correct the issue. You should receive a

929
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,639
refund for the overcharge for the original point of purchase

930
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:10,400
to the payment method used within the next five to

931
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,760
seven to business days. We apologize for any inconvenience and

932
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,480
look forward to seeing you this season. Into it though, huh,

933
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:18,800
go through? They got it fixed.

934
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happens.

935
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: It's not that working out. And for the record, no

936
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,119
one was like complaining about this. They were just like, oh,

937
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:31,440
I guess I got overcharged. Happens.

938
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,599
Speaker 2: It's almost two months still opening night.

939
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:35,639
Speaker 1: Still I'm freaking out.

940
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: Episode one for Chuck. He's got the ten outside, Oh.

941
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,159
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Now I'm just feeling too good about

942
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:51,599
the zoo extension. That's a fantastic deal. Shout out Lawrence

943
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:55,320
Frank all the people who dislike Lawrence Frank. If you

944
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,079
dislike Lawrence Frank, you actually probably also dislike Zoo, So

945
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:01,039
maybe this is a horrific day for you, which I

946
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:01,639
hope it is.

947
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: Haters and shambles.

948
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:09,199
Speaker 1: I didn't say that, Oh, I hope they are. What

949
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,480
do we think the Man extension when is? I know

950
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:13,440
we kicked it around a little bit, but I would

951
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,400
like that to happen soon.

952
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,519
Speaker 2: I going back to that question about trading Terrence Man. Guys,

953
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:25,239
he's all over the Halo board. He's the player, profile,

954
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,239
guy featured, he's the biggest ambassadors.

955
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: The public appearances.

956
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 3: He's Yeah, because the Clippers have never traded someone who

957
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,039
is the face of the franchise famously.

958
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: That's that's fair. But Terrence Man isn't making a ton

959
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,039
of money and on a contract that's could be aging

960
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,719
very poorly. I I have a lot of faith that's

961
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,559
going to get done here in the next couple of months.

962
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:56,039
Speaker 1: What are you looking at? What do you think, figure wise?

963
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:57,119
What would you be comfortable with?

964
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, someone between sixteen eighteen really yeah, I

965
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:05,519
was gonna.

966
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,199
Speaker 3: Say, I feel like it's gotta be in the twenty year.

967
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: I mean, he's making less than Zoo was. Now, Zoo

968
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,360
was I think at thirteen, Terrence is at ten. If

969
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,239
he gets the same type of bump, it will put

970
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,559
him around sixteen.

971
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: That's true. But cap goes up once Saudi Arabia starts

972
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,039
investing in all these teams like they're doing with the Wizards.

973
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:32,079
You know, No, I think seventeen to twenty.

974
00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

975
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,199
Speaker 1: I could just see him maybe wanting more, but I

976
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,440
don't know what the cap looks like.

977
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: Whatever he gets is deserved because Terrence Man has played

978
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,320
every damn position for this team, has played every role

979
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,079
for this team. He's never complained once. I love Terrence Man.

980
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,679
Speaker 1: Would you like to counterpoint this person who put this

981
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,840
in the chat signment? He hit a ceiling two years ago.

982
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,079
We need to move on.

983
00:50:53,800 --> 00:51:01,519
Speaker 2: One word casual. We need to move on, hey less,

984
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:03,400
what's the idea who you trading Terrence Man for?

985
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: Let me Collins?

986
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,519
Speaker 2: So they'd have to include somebody else because John Collins

987
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:09,639
makes like twenty million.

988
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, there's just the The other thing, too, is

989
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,760
like the Clippers are kind of not hamstrung, but they're

990
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,400
kind of their books are a little stuck. I don't

991
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,440
mean that in a bad way, right, Like they've been

992
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,679
as flexible as they possibly could have this offseason with

993
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,480
the Zoo extension to DJJ signing, like it's all been

994
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:28,960
shrewd moves.

995
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:34,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are under the first apron I love like.

996
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,199
Speaker 3: Out of the repeater tax. They got a lot of

997
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:36,800
good stuff on.

998
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:40,639
Speaker 2: But these are the guys you do invest in. They're

999
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:44,079
still young, just entering their prime, and I think they're

1000
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:47,599
going to be on a relatively team friendly deal. We

1001
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:50,679
already think of Eats the Zoobots is comparative to his production.

1002
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:53,480
I think Terrence Man is gonna be slotted right there,

1003
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,440
and they're both due to have their best years. Uh,

1004
00:51:57,639 --> 00:51:58,400
they're still yet to.

1005
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: Come well in Terrence is right, so he can do

1006
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,880
his extension. He doesn't have to do it right now.

1007
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,039
We can do it at the end of the year, right,

1008
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:06,400
Isn't that how it's.

1009
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,039
Speaker 2: I think it was the same as Zoo. Yeah, they

1010
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:08,960
could do it later.

1011
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: So maybe this is a situation where they're like, hey, man,

1012
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:13,320
you're getting more run this year.

1013
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:14,559
Speaker 2: He could prove it.

1014
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:16,679
Speaker 1: Do you want to prove it? Or do you want

1015
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,320
this year that we have here right now? Or do

1016
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,280
you want to see how the season plays out? And

1017
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,880
knowing Terrence. It seems like he would want to see

1018
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,559
how the season plays out because he's gonna he should

1019
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,840
Someone has to get more of a chance, right and

1020
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:34,000
can't just be going GOHI and James so cool Terrence.

1021
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,199
This is kind of maybe they give him the season

1022
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:37,960
to show what he can do and he gets a

1023
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:39,119
bigger leash. We think.

1024
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:43,519
Speaker 2: I'm guessing. I have no idea what I would guess.

1025
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: If that's the case, this is your educated guess.

1026
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: There's an offer out there. He thinks he could get

1027
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,760
more by having a bet on yourself like year where

1028
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,679
he could prove himself. That's the only way I could

1029
00:52:56,679 --> 00:52:59,679
see this getting dragged out. Yeah, I think Terrence wants

1030
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:02,880
to be here like a bird in the hands, you know, injuries,

1031
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,679
all those other things. You want to get more money

1032
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,599
locked up If you can't, just depends on if they

1033
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:10,440
can come to an agreement on how much that is

1034
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,440
and what's the fair value.

1035
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exciting, though I feel like it's more of

1036
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,840
an It feels like I have more of an exciting

1037
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,760
vibe than an ominous vibe. After this Zoo extension, we

1038
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,400
have that locked up. Oh do we got a Louis appearance?

1039
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,280
On the pod. If you're listening to the pod, you're

1040
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,320
missing out on a rare appearance from Will's dog.

1041
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,679
Speaker 2: Oh that is a cute pup. That's an e walk.

1042
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 3: One.

1043
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 2: George Lucas wants that dog.

1044
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 1: Well, how much would George Lucas have to pay you

1045
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:46,920
to get to take Louis.

1046
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: Say? We settle and redacting?

1047
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 3: What George Lucas though he has like unlimited money, so

1048
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,639
we want you know, I guess i'd want a few.

1049
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,599
Speaker 1: Mill twelve million?

1050
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 3: He low ball with a hunter Grand. I'd be like

1051
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:04,199
a hunter Grand.

1052
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: You can have the car that he drove to come

1053
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,800
pick Louie up in He'll get a ride back. I

1054
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,599
like what Jordan's saying here. Terrence Ban says Herb Jones potential.

1055
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,480
I love Herb Jones. I don't know think he'd be

1056
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,840
as good a defender as Herb Jones, but maybe shooting wise.

1057
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,639
Speaker 2: Herb Jones is just athletically such a long player. Yeah,

1058
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:27,480
and Terrence Man is older than Herb Jones, so I

1059
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,199
don't okay.

1060
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,599
Speaker 1: This would be a low ball from JJ the boy.

1061
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:33,960
Uh he said he would trade Will's dog for PJ. Tucker.

1062
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:35,920
Is this a low ball or a high ball. Okay,

1063
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,119
so JJ, the boy in the scenerio is the GM

1064
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:41,199
of another team and he has.

1065
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 3: Wait, so I have to give a Louie and I

1066
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:44,119
get PJ Tucker.

1067
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about that.

1068
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 3: Sounds like a shit deal for me.

1069
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: What so I did?

1070
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,519
Speaker 3: Was it gonna have all his damn shoes in the crib?

1071
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: I think it was La Clippers Film who tweeted something

1072
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,400
that was funny that was like PJ Tuck, Bucker and

1073
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,199
Bones still on the team in late August. I think

1074
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,880
that's what made me have the the nightmare of PJ

1075
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,199
Tucker still being on the team. There's just nothing out

1076
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:12,599
there for these guys. But aren't they just gonna be

1077
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:16,079
dnped is Bones getting dnped?

1078
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: I wonder if they're invited to training camp if they're

1079
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,840
still on team, Like why but what do you do?

1080
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: Like you just they and they're like they have and

1081
00:55:26,159 --> 00:55:28,199
you know what I mean, like not just has that.

1082
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,880
I could be naive here not inviting someone to training

1083
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,039
camp who's just like fully under contract and y'all are

1084
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:38,440
going to Hawaii. No two guys one I could see too.

1085
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 2: If their attitudes and headspace was not right, you can't

1086
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,400
start training camp with two guys that are already upset

1087
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,760
before the season starts, is what I'm saying. Maybe they

1088
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,000
are a better place. Hope Spring's eternal. Maybe Bones Thailand

1089
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,239
hasn't changed her heart. I don't know about PJ. Tucker,

1090
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,360
but Bone Thailand is still a young player that needs

1091
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,639
to take advantage of this time. I don't care how

1092
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,639
much time you get, do whatever you can't because other

1093
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:03,119
teams are watching him for sure.

1094
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I think barring, like I think,

1095
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:11,559
if they're not invited, I can't like things are cool.

1096
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,880
That's like I I mean, we also thought.

1097
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,199
Speaker 2: They would be on the team at this point, so

1098
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:18,239
it's like, I mean.

1099
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:22,079
Speaker 3: I agree and I don't. I don't see a role

1100
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,159
for either player. But you know, I mean, if you're

1101
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:30,079
hoping to end up anywhere, you know, I feel like

1102
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:31,760
you got to you got to play ball.

1103
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: Maybe they're content, Like if KPJ gets suspended, they could

1104
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,599
need Bones Highlands still.

1105
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like they kind of do still need

1106
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,280
Bones Island even I would love that.

1107
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 2: I don't know how he plays though, with all the guards,

1108
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,440
and it just seems like they've they've moved on, just

1109
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:52,400
not in the fact that he's actually moved to a

1110
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,119
different city yet.

1111
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: Because the Clippers traded again. The Clippers traded two seconds

1112
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,719
for Bones, so he's not worth that now one second.

1113
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,320
I mean, I get like that maybe that's the deal

1114
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:14,800
because you're not one second because you're not packaging them together, right, Like,

1115
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,119
what does Bones and PJ. Tucker get you?

1116
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,679
Speaker 3: I mean you'd have to be really interested in the

1117
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,400
in the young asset and.

1118
00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:24,519
Speaker 1: Need an expiring contract.

1119
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean that would be the Clippers are

1120
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,840
taking on more long term money. Yeah, that's like what do.

1121
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: They make together, like fourteen million or something like that.

1122
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,280
If you add their two contracts.

1123
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,599
Speaker 3: Something something around that, you.

1124
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: Probably end up getting somebody that's on a two year deal.

1125
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,239
And that looks like a bad contract is what you

1126
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,840
probably get there.

1127
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 3: You're like, I think you're lucky if you're only getting

1128
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:49,719
in extra year.

1129
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. JM one JM. Digits is saying they might wave

1130
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,639
and stretch PJ. I mean maybe they would, right.

1131
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:57,719
Speaker 3: I just don't think so. I don't think there's any

1132
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:00,719
point in keeping three mil in the books for or

1133
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,119
four mil on the books for three years or whatever.

1134
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:11,800
I think honestly, you know, it's our anyways, just eat

1135
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,440
the cost. It's free money. Next year we can afford

1136
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:16,079
at vallmert.

1137
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:19,639
Speaker 1: It's our year, dude, all that, all the championship merch

1138
00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:26,599
rev that's coming in to into it now. I don't

1139
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:28,719
know anything else you guys want to talk about? Clippers wise,

1140
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,480
feeling good after the zoo extension. I tweeted that is gigantic.

1141
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,199
Speaker 3: From being from being a quiet week to a pretty

1142
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:38,079
good week in the.

1143
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: In the old Clippers sphere, we had a Rico Heides

1144
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,679
run with all the young guys again, we got the

1145
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,239
Zoo contract. Yeah, things are, look things are. It's a

1146
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,599
good week for Clippers fans on a Friday.

1147
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,639
Speaker 2: A little more eventful than what we've had since Summer League.

1148
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, yeah. I don't know if they tracking out

1149
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:01,639
on the YouTube's for those of you who hung out

1150
00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:03,840
will for the people who are listening to this or

1151
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,599
the people watching if they wanted to be extra special

1152
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,880
fantastic fans, where could they review or let people know

1153
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,840
their thoughts publicly about this podcast.

1154
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,239
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to let us know your

1155
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:17,559
thoughts publicly about this podcast, just hop over to YouTube

1156
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:20,239
dot com slash at Clippers podcast. You comment on any

1157
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,039
video you could hop in here on the Live Commonest

1158
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:28,400
right to our faces. You can also listen to this

1159
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,480
podcast wherever you do that. If you wanted to leave

1160
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,239
a ratiing and review, you could do that over on

1161
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:38,119
Apple Podcasts or Spotify. You know we'd like that. But

1162
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:40,360
anyway you consume the show, we appreciate it.

1163
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: We really do an adam one positive thing before we

1164
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,960
let these Clippers fans go enjoy their wonderful long weekend,

1165
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:47,840
happy Labor Day.

1166
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 2: By the way, Uh well, someone just paid us a

1167
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,320
buck ninety nine, So I'll make this the positive. Maybe

1168
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,679
Bones and Tucker for Dori and Phinney Smith I'd sign

1169
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:57,960
up for.

1170
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 3: That could be the move.

1171
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: He's solid now he's making there it is. He cranked

1172
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,119
out the numbers. He's at fifteen million, so the math

1173
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:16,239
would work there, and then he has he is. Maybe

1174
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they see themselves. I mean, if anyone's rebuilding and not

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trying to win this season, as they're going for Cooper flag,

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it's Brooklyn, so they might welcome a guy like Bones Highland.

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Even though they have some young scorers. It wouldn't be

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that crazy. And if they don't want to win ball games,

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they might want to trade Dorian Phizabeth, He's got a

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player option the next year for fifteen million. Probably opt

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out and get a longer deal. But I like Dorian

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Finish Smith, I would welcome that. So the Clippers, they

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still have moves to make, whether it happens in the

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offseason or during the year. I like what Chuck said earlier,

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Let's wait and see how this team looks and then

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start to maybe maneuver a little bit, And I think

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they're going to keep it interested in that way. So

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many people have talked about how they can't wait for

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this season because they don't know exactly what's going to happen.

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The expectations are obviously lower, but you still feel like,

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what if they could still get out of the playing somehow.

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If Kawhi Leonard looks good, this team could still be

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very dangerous. As you said, they're that tough team you

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don't have to play every night.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think Will knows what's Will thinks he knows

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what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: There's only one out.

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Speaker 2: Doctor our year.

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Speaker 1: Will has seen seventy thousand outcomes and they're all the same,

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and every single one.

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Speaker 3: Tanya, this is the most I've felt it in the

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two and three years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just the most I've felt it, just crazy,

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just wild.

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Speaker 2: I don't need to do the positive thing at the

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end of the show. We should will be like, hey, will,

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what's positive about this year? This year?

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Speaker 1: What year is a dog?

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Speaker 3: This year is going to be different, guys, a lot different.

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Speaker 1: I've never said that as a Clippers fan. I'm excited

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to say that for the first Thank you everyone for

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hanging out. We're gonna be live during the regular season

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our Cup at least once a week, probably, but we're

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gonna have episodes three times a week for sure. Just

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get ready because we have a bunch of good content coming,

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and try to get to into it for the preseason

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seems like a good time. We will be with you

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next week. Couldn't tell you the day, but it will

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be Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday. We will talk

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to you there and as always,