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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho.

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This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're

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Speaker 2: Eric.

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Speaker 1: The first series of The Saint ran for a single

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year and was off the air from the summer of

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nineteen forty eight until nineteen forty nine, when it returned,

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but this time over the Mutual Broadcasting System as a

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national program. Today's episode originally aired Jula thirty first, nineteen

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forty nine. It was the fourth episode aired over Mutual

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and the title is The Saint Goes Underground.

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Speaker 3: The Adventures of the Saint starring Vincent Price. The Saint

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based on characters created by Leslie chargerbers unknown to millions

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from books, magazines, and motion pictures. The Robinhood of Modern

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Crime is now transcribed for radio, starring Hollywood's brilliant and

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talented actor Vincent Price as.

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Speaker 4: Anything wrong, Captain, nothing serious, mister Templar, just coming down

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here for a check.

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Speaker 5: Go on just as soon as we can.

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Speaker 2: Oh and uh, where is here?

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Speaker 4: Headstone, New Mexico used to be a big silver mining town,

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but not just another little town, I guess, although I

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did notice there's a carnival playing over on the edge

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of this emergency landing strip.

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Speaker 2: Well, how long are we to enjoy the hospitality of Headstone?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Two or three hours? Long enough to see the town

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have dinner if you like. Sorry to delay you, sir.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's all right, Captain. I'm seldom bored in a

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strange town.

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Speaker 4: Well, you better go back and fasten your seat belt.

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Speaker 5: Mitter templar.

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Speaker 2: We're coming down now, right, I'll see you later. Well,

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good evening, Saint. Yet I don't seem to record your face.

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Speaker 7: Harry Kelly, and you don't recall my face because we've

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never met. But I've seen many pictures of you, and

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so I recognize your meeting.

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Speaker 2: Well that's very flattering. Tell me, mister Kelly, how can

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I get into town?

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Speaker 7: You can find a cab on the other side of

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the carnife planning on staying long, Not at all should I.

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On the contrary, I was just going to suggest that

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I doubt if Heedstone would welcome.

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Speaker 2: The presence of the saint.

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Speaker 7: Just a friendly remark, you understand.

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Speaker 2: Oh naturally, And if I may be permitted, a friendly question.

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Why are you telling me this?

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Speaker 7: Just an interest in the continued health of my fellow humans.

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If you have any trouble in town, look me up.

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Anyone can tell you where to find.

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Speaker 3: Me.

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Speaker 8: Chow is just about to start. See little Fatima, the

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girl who shakes and shivers like a bowl pull of jelly.

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Only one dime ten cents. The tenth part of a dollar.

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Speaker 2: Hurry, hurry the stars for you.

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Speaker 9: I read the past, the present, and the future. Learn

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your fortune, young man, I already know it, Grandmother, I'm

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destined to meet a tall, dark and beautiful woman.

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Speaker 2: I'll settle for nothing.

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Speaker 9: Less I see strange lines on your face. Young man,

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I will tell your fortune without charge.

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Speaker 10: Give me your hand. I see danger. Beware of a

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blonde young woman. She will bring you.

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Speaker 2: Death, the worse ways of dying.

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Speaker 9: Grandmother, I see danger, much danger for one with a

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halo about his head, blood and death unless he travels.

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Speaker 10: I see I.

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Speaker 2: Bek I'm beginning to get the idea. You might tell

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your crystal ball that I'm beginning to be interested. Goodbye, grandmother,

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and may the saints bless you. Taxi mister, oh thank you? Say?

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Do you suppose you can drive me somewhere that serves

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a good dinner? Sure?

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Speaker 11: Silver Dollar Hotel?

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Speaker 6: Oh you know, I was just sitting there a communing

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with nature about how many guys there are who blow

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their want to watch some dame do a holder or

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won't spend a dime on a hack?

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Speaker 2: Do I detect a touch of Brooklyn? How could you miss?

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That's me?

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Speaker 6: Chu'm ziggy from flat Push. I used to drive a

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hack in Brooklyn. Now I own the only hack in Headstone.

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It's like, you know, I ain't seen a Brooklyn bridge

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for ten years since I come out here for my health.

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Like I always say, it's a smart man who knows

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when it's healthy to get out of town.

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Speaker 11: Meaning what does everything have to mean?

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Speaker 3: Something?

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Speaker 2: May I mind my own business? I stay healthy.

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Speaker 8: That's why I'm living in Headstone instead.

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Speaker 2: Of underwe I see. But if you didn't mind your

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own business, I suppose you'd give me some advice about

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leaving Headstone. Is that it? No? No advice man.

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Speaker 6: That's part of minding my own busin Headstone is a

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great place for strangers to.

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Speaker 11: Visit if they paid up their insurance.

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Speaker 2: Here you are, waiter, very nice dinner, my check please? No, no, no,

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thank you keep the change.

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Speaker 10: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Well, well this is a surprising hotel. First a beautiful

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dinner and then an even more beautiful blonde.

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Speaker 10: May I sit down?

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Speaker 2: By all means?

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Speaker 1: Miss Verty?

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Speaker 10: Calmly, you're Simon template.

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Speaker 2: M I should have worn my dark glasses. But now

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that the truth is out, you might as well call

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me Simon. All right, Simon, Now, how did you know

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who I am. Now, don't tell me that you were

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just passing and recognized me.

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Speaker 10: Woy. Ziggy told me that you were here. He owns

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and drives the taxi here in Headstone.

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Speaker 2: I know I shouldn't look a gift blonde in the hair,

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But why did Ziggy take I was in here?

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Speaker 10: Well, Ziggy knows that I need help, and he thought

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that is, since you're the saint, you might help me.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 2: I have been known to help beautiful blonds on occasion.

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But tell me why you should need help, Betty.

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Speaker 10: Someone's been trying to kill me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there should be a law against that. Are you sure?

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Speaker 10: I've been shot at twice and everybody here has been

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very unfriendly except Ziggy and a man named Harry Kelly.

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Speaker 2: I've noticed the unfriendliness in this town, but being unfriendly

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towards you is obviously an indication of insanity.

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Speaker 10: Please don't joke about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm frightened all right now tell me about it.

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Speaker 10: Well, my father was known as silver Slim Conley. He

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lived here for years, but he sent me east to

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school when I was very young, and I didn't come

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back here until recently. My father died about a month ago.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 10: He was broke and all he left me was his

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old silver mine. He called it the Betty mine after me, and.

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Speaker 2: I take it. Somebody wants the mine.

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Speaker 10: No, no, the mine is completely worthless. There hasn't been

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any silver in it for years.

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Speaker 2: But my dear, you were shot at twice. Have you

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any idea who did the shooting?

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Speaker 10: No, but it might be the same man who told

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me to get out of town. Oh, Mike McCarthy. Ziggy

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says he's an Eastern gangster who has been living out

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here for several months. Will you help me, mister Simon, Well.

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Speaker 2: I've never been able to say no to a pretty girl.

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You mentioned a man named Harry Kelly before. Just who

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is he?

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Speaker 10: He knew my father. He's been very friendly to me,

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although he thought I ought to leave town too.

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Speaker 2: I've met mister Kelly and he intrigues me very much.

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I think we'll go see all right.

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Speaker 10: Oh just a minute, there was some red dust on

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your coat.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you. ZIGGI apparently doesn't get enough passengers to

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keep his cab dusted. Did you say Ziggy was parked

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outside in his chain?

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Speaker 10: He was when I came in.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there he is, Yes, looking exactly as if he

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were back in Brooklyn. Ziggy, Oh, so she fun thanks

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to your bird dogging, which I must admit in this

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case has done much to overcome any natural prejudice against

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cab divers that I might have. Say, do you know

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where Harry Kelly lives? Sure? And let's go there. Hey,

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don't you ever clean out this? Heck? What's all this dust?

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Speaker 8: Who knows?

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was that redhead that hired me yesterday? So

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she had the andros Ziggy, you missed your calling. You're

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as funny as an undertaker. Well, now, Ziggy, I don't

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suppose you'd care to tell me why you warned me

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to get out of Headstone? Got me all wrong saying

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I wasn't warning you.

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Speaker 11: I was just talking about myself.

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Speaker 2: And I don't suppose you'd care to tell me why

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somebody took pot shots at missus Connolly here and told

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her to get out of town too.

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Speaker 11: Me, I don't know nothing, like I was telling you, saying.

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Speaker 2: I mind my own business.

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Speaker 6: Maybe you stay ignorant that way, but it's healthier and

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I like it like that.

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Speaker 2: And in that case, why did you send miss Connelly

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in to see me?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 11: Like you can see she's a pretty little pigeon.

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Speaker 2: She needs to know some guy will help her.

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Speaker 6: Now, it ain't no secret that the saint goes around

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mixing and other people's business.

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Speaker 5: So I tell her to see you?

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Speaker 2: And who told you? I was the same?

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Speaker 6: I got eyes in my head, Ain't I like I said?

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Speaker 8: I used to hack in Brooklyn? I got a wrong?

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Speaker 12: Uh?

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Speaker 8: What about this?

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Speaker 6: Mike mccott strictly smart money, saying, huh, A lot of

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guys have crossed his.

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Speaker 5: Path once you get what I mean?

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Speaker 2: What about uh, Harry Kelly? Eh, local stuff, nice, small,

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but no more. You're doing all right for a guy

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that doesn't know anything. You got me wrong, pal, Ziggy.

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Speaker 6: He looks people over, but he don't see nothing except

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one guy is tough, another guy is small, and maybe

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another guy is too knows.

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Speaker 10: I really don't think we should try to involve Ziggy Simon.

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He's been very nice as it is.

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Speaker 6: She's got something, Paul, I ain't really equipped for it,

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because the way you are headed.

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Speaker 13: Only a saint would feel at home. Well, here we

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are saying Kelly lives on the first floor in the room.

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks, wait for it, Ziggy, We've got a couple

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of other calls to make after this, So Lorry, I'll wait.

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Speaker 6: You get any trouble, just yell, then I'll drive over

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and tell the sheriff.

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Speaker 2: I heard somebody yell. Thanks. Now come on, Betty, and

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I hope our friend is in and that he talked.

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Speaker 10: Yes, it's strange. How are I telling you to come

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and see him? If you had any trouble, if you

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had any connection with me, then why hasn't he said

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something to me?

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Speaker 2: Well? It sounded to me like a cautious man. Maybe

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he did know something that didn't want to say anything

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unless he felt sure something was going to be done.

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I will soon know who is Simon Templer.

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Speaker 10: Just a minute, Oh, shots were in that room.

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Speaker 2: This is no time for conversation, Johning.

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Speaker 14: We're going in like this, Kelly m h oh, Simon, Kelly, Kelly,

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this is Simon Templer.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Kelly, the saint who shot you mine? Kelly? Well, Betty,

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he isn't going to tell us anything now. Killer did

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a very thorough job. Window open, must have shot from here,

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and here's a shell on the fireplace. But what was

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he saying sounded like like sin. Come on, Betty, we're

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going to spread a little saintliness, and I think I

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know where to begin. But Siggy, didn't you hear anything? Well?

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Speaker 11: I noticed some noise, but like.

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Speaker 2: I I know, you mind your own business.

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Speaker 10: Are we going to the Sheriff's Simon?

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Speaker 2: Not yet, Ziggy? Who's the essayer in this time? All

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man Matthews. The office is closed now.

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Speaker 11: But he lives right ahead there, that big white house.

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Speaker 2: Okay, stop there. I'd like to satisfy a little curiosity

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about that mine of yours. I'll be right back.

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Speaker 15: You stand here, Betty, What do you want?

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Speaker 2: Mister Matthews?

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Speaker 8: Who else should be? Here's my house? In what do

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you want?

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Speaker 2: My name is Simon temp I wanted to ask you

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if you know the Connolly silver mine.

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Speaker 8: I know every mine within two hundred miles to hear

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young fellow. Hey, ain't that Betty Connolly's sitting up there

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in that taxi?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 8: And why can't she tell you about the mine? She

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owns it?

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Speaker 2: Well, she has told me. But I just wanted to

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check about the possibility of a mistake. How much silver

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would you say there was in the Connolly mine?

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Speaker 8: About enough to put in your eye and still leave

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room for your finger.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't there be a hidden vein in it?

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Speaker 8: Nope, there ain't been enough silver around here to make

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a dime for years and years.

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Speaker 2: Could there be anything else of value in it?

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Speaker 8: Mud and water? If you call that valuable? You sure,

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of course, I'm sure, young fellow. I've been here, man

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and boy for seventy years, and I ain't got no

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time to stand around answer and durn fool questions.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye, well, goodbye, and Betty, you may be right, oh man,

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Matthew says, the mine is worthless too, So Ziggy take

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us to see my McCarthy.

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Speaker 11: Are you sure you want to go there?

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Speaker 8: Say?

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Speaker 2: How was you? I get on that plane? It's leaving

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pretty soon, No, Zigi, I've decided not to leave Headstone

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just yet. Later you can drive me over to Albuquerque

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and I'll take the cheap the rest of the way. Okay, charm,

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it's your funeral, Simon. Please be careful, don't you worry

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Betty the halo whereas Benevolent Association would be very upset

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if anything happened to me, I'll be right off. Yeah,

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I'm looking for Mike McCarthy where you found him? It's

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my boy scout training and never fairs. My name is

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Simon Templar, the Saint. I've been known by that name.

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So what That's a very interesting question. I must trying

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to think of an answer sometime. Meanwhile, I thought you

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might I'd like to know that I heartily disapprove of

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your telling a certain miss Betty Connolly that she ought

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to leave town.

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Speaker 5: What's the girl to you?

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Speaker 2: It's my business.

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Speaker 4: I could make it mine. And if I do, your

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halo's going to slip down to start choking you. I

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thought bullets were more in your line meaning what?

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Speaker 2: Meaning? The shots fired at missus Connolly and a little

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gunning job only a few minutes ago.

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Speaker 4: I didn't do any gun and but I'm liable to

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if you don't beat it.

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Speaker 2: And you sound so sure of yourself, Michael.

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Speaker 4: That's because I got more in my hand than an

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itching palm.

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Speaker 2: It's very pretty gun, Mike. But I'm very much afraid

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that nothing will satisfy my curiosity short of knowing why

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you want to get miss Connolly out of town.

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Speaker 4: I got answers for nosy guys, six of them. I

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just stand right there, stay away from that death saint

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her own.

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Speaker 2: Worry, Mike, I have no interest in the desk at all.

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But I do have an interest in miss Connolly. And now, Michael,

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how did you do?

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Speaker 10: What happens Sila?

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Speaker 2: Oh not much. I'm afraid the conversation is just getting interesting.

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When Mike had a sudden attack of dropsy, that's funny.

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I never heard of him being sick. Well, that's because

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you mind your own business, Ziggy, Like you tell me

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Betty worries that silver mine of.

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Speaker 10: Yours about two miles out of town.

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Speaker 2: Is there any place in town where we can rent

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a car?

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Speaker 10: Why I have a car?

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Speaker 2: What I feel a prospecting urge coming over me. Ziggy

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can take us to Miss Connolly's car, and then we

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can dispense with your valuable services.

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Speaker 8: What's wrong with my cure?

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Speaker 2: Nothing, Ziggy, is just that I don't like people looking

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over my shoulder, especially when I visit a lonely mine

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in the company of a beautiful girl.

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Speaker 10: Well, here's the mine, although I don't know why you want.

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Speaker 2: To see it, Rank, I don't know either, but as

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long as I'm here, I might as well take the

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forty cent tour.

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Speaker 10: Certainly, sir, Right this way, this old cable car goes

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down into the mine. All we have to do is

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stand on the platform and pull the cable. It works

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with balanced weights.

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Speaker 2: Clever these forty nine ers.

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Speaker 10: How far down on the forty cent tour? We give

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the exact distance three hundred and fifty four feet six inches.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and thank you for having electric lights in

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a mine that hasn't been worked for years.

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Speaker 10: Oh, the mine has its own battery. See here's a

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bulb on the car. Shall we go down?

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Speaker 2: What are we waiting for? Let's go, Maybe the lights

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will go out.

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Speaker 5: I just told it like that. I've been waiting for you.

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Speaker 2: Too, well, Michael McCarthy. I was wondering if we were

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going to have your company.

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Speaker 5: And this time was I don't try and it.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell me, Michael that you're going prospecting with us.

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Speaker 4: I'm riding down with you, but I'm coming back alone.

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Start the car down, saying, but don't try no tricks.

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Speaker 2: You have a suspicion. Just mind mine. Well, here we go.

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Call out your floorers. Please mezzanine ladies, underwear goloshes and excessively.

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Speaker 5: You'll be singing a different tune pretty soon. Saint. You

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both had your chance to leave down your way. Now

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you're gonna leave my way.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, dog, Betty. This is my first ride

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on an open cable car.

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Speaker 5: It'll be your last.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be too sure unless that cable breaks before

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we get to the bottom.

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Speaker 5: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, A little crowded here for one too, so I

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guess the one that I have to have to do.

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Speaker 10: Terrible man.

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Speaker 2: It's all right, Simon.

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Speaker 10: It could have been you. He almost knocked you off

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the platform.

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Speaker 2: Two. It was the padded shoulders in my coat. I

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helped them hit the side.

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Speaker 10: Look at your shoulders. You're covered with dirt from the

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sides of the sheaf.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's red di Wait a minute, Well, we can

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go back up, Betty. Mike doesn't need our help, and

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I don't need anybody to answer questions anymore.

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Speaker 10: Simon. I'll never understand you. Why did you look at

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the dirt on your coat and say you didn't need

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any more questions?

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Speaker 2: Because that dirt with red sulfide, Betty, and it explains

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why Mike was so anxious to run you out of power.

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Speaker 10: Well, I don't see how red sulfide is used in paint,

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but that doesn't make it valuable.

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Speaker 2: Red sulfide is also cinnebar or from which we get mercury,

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and that is pretty valuable. Evidently your mind is rich

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in cinebar so it's worth a lot of money. Betty.

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Speaker 10: Oh, then that was what Kelly was trying to tell

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us when he said sin.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he was trying to say cineba.

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Speaker 10: How can I ever thank you? Simon?

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Speaker 2: Well, I have a couple of ideas on the subject,

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but now people would say I was chasing you for

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your money. So I guess you can just see me

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off on the train. We'll stop in town and have

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Ziggy drive us to Albuquerque.

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Speaker 10: Oh but I'll drive you.

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Speaker 2: Now, I insist on taking a cab. I don't want

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you coming back alone. I may want to change my

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mind about fortune hunting.

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Speaker 11: Like I said, saying, I'm glad to see you leave.

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Speaker 8: But it's tom just funny about's changes.

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Speaker 2: You want to take Miss Conley with you, but she

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doesn't have to go now Ziggy and decides she's rich.

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Speaker 10: What Yes, Ziggy, we found out the dead mine is

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valuable after all?

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Speaker 2: You mean you found silver, no mercury. Oh stop, they

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put into moment. That's the stuff, Ziggy, But it's used

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for a lot of other things. To take in wartime,

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and it's worth a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of money.

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Speaker 2: What do you know? So that's why Mike was trying

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to make you leave. That's it.

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Speaker 10: Well did you stop and tell the sheriff we didn't

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have time, But I'll see him when we go back.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty nice for you or anybody. Oh here, we are

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just in time too the Chief Center. That's very nice timing, Ziggy.

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Thanks Betty for keeping my force to visit the Headstone

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from being dull.

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Speaker 10: Oh Simon, Well why don't you stay in Headstone? I

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won't know how to run the mine or what to

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do with the money or anything.

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Speaker 2: You'll learn, Betty, you know what to do when you

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get back to town.

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Speaker 10: Yes, But what will the sheriff leave me? I mean

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about Mike McCarthy killing Harry Kelly.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he will, since Mike didn't kill Kelly.

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But Kelly was shot with an automatic dejected a shell

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on the fireplace. Remember, but Mike McCarthy carried a revolver.

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Speaker 10: You saw it, Yes, but will the sheriff.

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Speaker 2: The sheriff will believe when you show him that the

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gun that killed Kelly is in Ziggy's pocket.

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Speaker 8: What what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: You knew about the cinnabar or in the mine. You've

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carried some of it away to be tested in your cab,

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and there was red dust in it, which you tried

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to explain with a cornate gag.

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Speaker 8: You're crazy, Harry.

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Speaker 2: Kelly had an idea what was going on, so you

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slipped around at the back while we were at the

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front door and killed him.

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Speaker 11: All right, wise, guy, you're so smart.

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Speaker 8: What about Mike.

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Speaker 2: Mike was working for you.

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Speaker 10: But silent Zibi told me that you were in town.

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Speaker 2: Sure he couldn't be sure that I wasn't here to

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break up his little scheme, So the smartest thing to

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do was to get us together so he could watch

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both of us. He thought I would use his cab

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as I did, and it would be easy. But he

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slipped up when he sent Mike out to the mine

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ahead of us. Ziggy was the only one who knew

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where we were going. Okay. Plus, like you said, Pad,

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you should have followed your own advice about minding your

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own business. He's all yours, Beddy. The gun that killed

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Kelly is now on the seat beside him. All you

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have to do is turn the bar and the gun

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over to the sheriff, and from there on in here'll

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mind Ziggy's business for him. But don't worry, Daddy, I'll

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stop back some day to make sure that Venus is

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in conjunction with Mercury.

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Speaker 3: You have just heard another adventure of the Saint, the

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robinhood of modern crime. Ah, here is our starved then,

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sat Price.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, how many times there have been men

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just like Ziggy, led into crime by insatiable greed forgetting

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the simplest truth. So aptly phrased by John Dryden, murder

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may pass untamished for a time, but pardy justice will

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overtake the crime. This is Vincent Price extending a personal

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invitation to all of you to join us again next

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week at the same time for another adventure of the Saints.

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Good Night.

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Speaker 3: Tonight's script of The Saint was written by Michael Kramoy.

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Our cast included Harry Bartel Barney Phillips, Colleen Collins, Fred

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Howard and Tony Barrett. The music was composed and conducted

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by Harry Zimmermann. The Saint is a James L. Saffier

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Agency production and was transcribed and directed by Thomas A.

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Speaker 5: Mcavittie.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget that the Saint comic books are unsaleed all

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news stands. You're announcer Merril Ross. This is the mutual

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broadcasting system.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I really enjoy this episode. It's short, but

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they get so much in there. The title is great.

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It does sound like a Charterous short story even though

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it's original to radio. And again great pacing, snappy dialog,

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and some very solid turns in the plot. The final

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reveal of Ziggy is a bit of a shocker, but

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there were clues throughout the story. Now, the evil Brooklyn

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Cabby might confuse some who listen to the Saint long

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term because the Saint acquires a recurring sidekick who is

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a Brooklyn Cabby named Louie, and while their voices are similar,

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in the performance, Louie is played by Laurence Stompkin, whereas

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Ziggy was played by Tony Barrett, which might also be

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familiar to those of you who listen to our Volume

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one or Volume two feeds and heard Tony Barrett plane

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marked on of it a Brooklyn Cabby who was a

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sidekick to Frank Grace. Now, I do want to talk

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a little bit about Benson Price in some ways to

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go into great detail about Bencent Price and his legacy,

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because he's probably one of the better known actors of

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his era today, someone whose legacy in the horror genre

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makes him recognizable to many people who wouldn't know who

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I was talking about if you talk about the best

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known actors of the era. But it is fair to

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say that Price was not yet that figure. Well he

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had done a horror movie. His acting tended to run

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a gammut of different films and roles as a character actor,

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often playing characters who whose morality could be ambiguous at best.

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He played Rishlieu in The Three Musketeers, he had a

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role as a murder suspect in Laura, and could often

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be a film noir villain, and of course did some

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comedies as well. His radio work in the era reflected

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the same sort of variety, although there were some hints

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of the sort of roles he would become known for,

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such as some of his escape and suspense performances, particularly

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Present Tents and Three Skeleton Key and later Pitt in

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The Pendulum. The same is somewhat noteworthy as it's probably

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the most unambiguously heroic role that Pross played over radio

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or film and really allows him a chance to demonstrate

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some of his real life charm and humor. Listener comments

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and feedback now and we go over to Spotify where

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we had a comment regarding the Miracle Tea party, and

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we have an interesting answer regarding the date Doctor who

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done it right? So this episode has the announcer saying

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Leslie Charter is thirty three. He was born in nineteen

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oh seven, which makes this episode nineteen forty. But I'm

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guessing that isn't what you were talking about in the beginning. Well,

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I actually was talking about the fact that there was

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a conflict between different sources on the program that put

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the date of the show as nineteen forty and others

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that put it as nineteen forty four. I really didn't

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know why there was that difference, But I think you

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give a good reason why this was likely nineteen forty,

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and I'm not certain why it wasn't picked up. The

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sort of storytelling in The Saint was very much in

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Voguan nineteen forty, as well as man and woman detective teams.

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With the success of The Thin Man and the idea

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of directly adapting the author's stories would also have been

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a lot more popular, particularly with the success of Sherlock Holmes,

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with Bruce and Rathbone having been successful over radio. I

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don't know why some would put it in nineteen forty four,

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except it does still have the same sort of musical

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feel as what would end up coming to air so

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many years later. Yeah, that does answer that question definitely,

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nineteen forty based on the age, Harrison Rids, I agree

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with your point about pet culture in the way it

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has changed. It's another reason old time radio fascinates me.

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Not only is it amusing to hear things like the

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age of what was considered old, but there are some

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00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:10,960
surprising insights into societal behavior that you might not have

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given much thought to since it seems so natural to

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00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:20,240
us today, like how we connect with pets. I never

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listen to the Saint, but it seems very entertaining. I

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00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:28,920
just don't quite see the Robin hood aspect. In the addition,

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and the lack of a hood aspect is a really

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00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:39,400
interesting thing about the Saint. In the books, which started

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being released in nineteen twenty eight, the Saint often plundered criminals. Now,

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his actions would often lead to criminals either going to

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jail or getting killed, but the Saint had a very

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strong interests and plundering the riches of the he termed

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quote unquote the ungodly. So the Saints' path to dealing

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with a criminal or crime would look very different than

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your traditional detective, because first he wanted to make them pay,

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quite literally, and the money would go either to someone

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who they had wronged, or it would go to charity

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or some other people in need, with a little bit

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generally going in the direction of Simon Templar and his men.

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When you get into some of the later films as

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well as the radio series, it is not really viewed

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socially or morally correct to have a hero who engages

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in thievery, so at least in the existing episodes, Saint

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doesn't engage in any though I should say that that

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one excerpt we played a mystery playhouse was of a

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story where Simon extorted a bunch of money from these

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various criminal elements, but that was during the war and

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00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,280
post war was kind of a different era. Nevertheless, even

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though he was not morally allowed to engage in thievery,

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the radio program still kept the title for him as

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the Robin Hood of Modern Crime. Even though it did

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not fit at all. That clears that up all right. Well,

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now it is time to thank our Patreon supporter of

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the day, and I want to thank Haidi, Patreon supporter

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since March twenty eighteen, currently supporting the podcast at the

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Shamas level of four dollars more per month. Thanks so

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much for your support, Hatie, and that will do it

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for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow us

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using your favorite podcast software. Let me sort of rate

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and review the podcast wherever you download it from. We

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will be back next Monday with another episode of The Saint.

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But join us back here tomorrow for the big story.

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Speaker 16: Where thought I was muddled before, now I'm absolutely certain

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it's more interesting online. It's a testimony of Nellie Swinson.

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Speaker 12: Waitress, Miss Swinson, If you were asked at the preliminary hearing,

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can you tell who was standing in the doorway with

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the gun?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, what did you say?

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Speaker 10: I said, I couldn't tell exactly, because you see, he

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had his coat collar up and his hat down, and.

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Speaker 8: I didn't watch his face.

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Speaker 2: I watched his gun.

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Speaker 12: That's what you said at the preliminary hearing some weeks ago. Now,

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what did you testify to a few minutes ago.

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Speaker 11: I can't exactly remember.

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Speaker 12: I shall refresh your memory. You said, quote the man

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I saw was Clem. Grayson unquote. Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 12: How do you explain you're revamping your testimony?

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Speaker 11: I can't.

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Speaker 12: During the recess a few minutes ago, would you talk

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to the prosecutor in this case?

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Speaker 2: Yes, lawder please, Yes I did.

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Speaker 12: Would you please tell the court what it was you

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talked to the prosecutor of pop I object.

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Speaker 16: Or suspend the objection on the grounds of the content

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of the conversation was immaterial. Immaterial, It's the most material

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thing on earth. This is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Hope you'll be with us then in the meantime, send

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your comment to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot nett,

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