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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Christina, this is Carmen. So yeah, if

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you're not on Patreon, you are not hearing our yapping

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before the topic, because we just yapped about Carmen's vacation

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and me turning into a social butterfly in Seattle or

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trying to attempting to Mariposa, Seattle. Yes, Seattle, and so yeah,

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we yapped a little bit and now we're going to

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start the topic and you can get on Patreon. The

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lowest tier gets access to that, so bam, all right, now, yes,

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on today's episode, we have a story from Brazil and

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then a true crime case that's very depressing from Ecuador.

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And normally we would have a listener story, but I

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didn't get one ready. I didn't look for it. Oh okay, okay, no,

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but if you have stories that you want us to read,

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just email Espotos at gmail dot com. You can dam

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out on any of the socials. You can leave it

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in a comment on one of the many tiktoks, like

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you know, there's options, but yeah, get them to us.

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Other than that, Carmen, are you ready for the paranormal case?

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From where? And the way? Is it Brazil or Argentina? Brazil? Oh?

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Thank you. I don't know why suddenly the Argentina. We

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had a UFO recently case in Arentena, didn't we true,

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Yes we did. Okay, So this case is about a

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poultry geist in Carbo Ticabal, Brazil. The Pereeda family of

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Habbo Ticabal, Brazil, was spending a quiet evening at home

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in December nineteen sixty five when their lives changed forever.

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The family, who lived about two hundred miles from Sauth Paulo,

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were devoted Catholics who spent their time working or attending

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church like a good Catholic family. Yes, they lived in

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a small, beautiful community where everyone knew everyone, which led

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the family to feel a false sense of peace would

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soon be taken away. Don't don't, don't thank you. I

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was going to do that. The evening everything changed. The

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family was sitting in their living room when large bricks

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mysteriously materialized and fell to the ground. Because they were

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so religious, the family did not jump to conclusions and

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instead figured neighborhood kids had been playing a prank on them,

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using similar bricks that had been lying outside their home. Okay,

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natural conclusion to come to, Yeah, yeah, I think so.

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But as the days went by, the activity increased, and

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the family was then able to identify any suspected pranksters.

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The block of bricks outside the home also remained untouched,

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making it hard for the family to ignore what was happening,

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so the family called on the local police for help.

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When police arrived to the home, they didn't notice strange

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activity and wondered why they were even there. But soon

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one brick, and then many others began to materialize out

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of thin air and fly around the house. Oh my god,

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with the police there, mm hmm. A heavy brick is

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then slammed into an officer's head, causing blood to gush everywhere.

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Oh my god, not a breaking, not a paranormal bricking

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and and acab pultruygeist. Yes, wow. Petrified the officers and

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the family ran out of the house. Police were in

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shock and things looked bleak for the family, who were

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told by police there weren't much they could do since

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it seemed to be a spiritual attack. They're like, that's

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not our department, bud, We're not Ghostbusters Los No. Some

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almost ghostbusters but in Brazilian. Yeah, they don't speak Spanish.

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We're sorry for you. Sorry that was in Ura. That

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wasn't even that was in Yurka, okay, where I was?

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I feeling defeated, The family sought out the help of

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a local priest. When the priest arrived at the home,

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he examined Maria for a few minutes before concluding that

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Maria needed an exorcism. Of course, but as soon as

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the exorcism began, it also came to an end. And

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did it as quickly as it started? Okay. Yeah, And

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after a cold and strong wind entered the home and

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a dark shadow consumed the room while loud thumbs were

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heard around the house, Maria began to convulse and painful

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scratches appeared on her body. Oh my god. Yeah, so

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that's why it ended so quick, because the priest quickly

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stopped the exorcism. You know what, he wasn't strong enough. Yeah,

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and he he was like, you know what, only making

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this worse, So I'm just gonna stop. Well, I'm ahead, mak.

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The days that followed were significantly painful for Maria. She

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became withdrawn, complained of terrifying nightmares, and woke up with

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bites and scratches all over her body. On one occasion,

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twelve needles mat and punctured Maria's skin, causing her to

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scream in agony. On another day, while having lunch in

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her school's backyard, Maria's close burst into flames as someone

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had dowsed gasoline on her. Oh my god, spontaneous setting

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on fire. And that was the last straw from Maria,

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who experienced this torture daily. She became hopeless and contemplated

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what she had done to deserve this. Nothing girl, No

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one deserves this. But that was very catholic of her

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to be like, what did I do to deserve this? Oh? Yeah,

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sin did I come in? The spirits also became increasingly violent,

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with the family, not just Maria. One afternoon, the stove

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rose from the ground and levitated for several minutes before

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it was flung across the room. In addition to Maria's family,

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the neighbors, and Maria's teachers could no longer deny that

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something evil was taking hold of the town. The story

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went national and caught the attention of the famous Brazilian

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medium Chico Chavee, which we need to do an episode

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on one day, that's a whole nother, Like, there's so

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much there. Have you heard of? Chico Javier, No, I haven't,

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but yeah, he's just a very famous medium. I don't

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remember if there's any bad things there might might be

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which would do the episode. So yeah, we need to

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do an episode. I just know he's a very famous medium,

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and I have been wanting for the longest time to

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dig into who he was, and so I'm adding that

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to the topic list. Yeah. Yeah. Javier, who was born

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in nineteen ten, was well known for his psychic abilities.

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He claimed to be in contact with many famous writers

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and poets to have passed away. According to Kavier, these

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writers used him as a vessel to broadcast their voices.

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lovety before. He was a very son after medium, so

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he thought he could help Maria. He personally reached out

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to the family to offer his help and travel to

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her town to visit her. Unlike others claimed Maria was possessed,

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Havi had believed Maria attracted the spirits to herself because

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she was a gifted medium who needed to learn to

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control her powers. Okay, that's a different than interesting yeah

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mm hmm. He spent days with Maria attempting to teach

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her about her suspected abilities until one day Maria spontaneously

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combusted into flames, leaving him speechless and feeling helpless. So

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she set herself on fire. A lot of spontaneous combusting,

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combusting going right, yeah, lots of uh oh my god, firebender,

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lots of. He watched Maya burne for several minutes while

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he unsuccessfully tried to stop the flames. Okay, I was

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gonna say, don't tell me. This is like a don't

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don't help, just film situations, just burn this force Heavy

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had to accept that this situation was bigger than him,

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and he asked for permission to take Maria to a

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spiritual center where he and others could figure out how

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to help her, which the family reluctantly agreed to, which

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I get, I get, I get. I mean, how old

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is she? Three you find out? Yeah, I know. I mean,

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I'm assuming she's at least like a teenage right right,

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younger because it talks about her going to small But

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I guess I feel like she's a teen. She's giving

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teen spirit yea, she is, so yeah, I would be

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reluctant to let my teen daughter go off with some

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medium to a spirit center, some famous medium yeah. Yeah.

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Once at the spiritual center, kaviet claims he made contact

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of the spirit who was inside Maria. Eager to further communication,

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Kavett gathered Maria and other people at the center to

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attempt to speak with the spirit again. During the exercise,

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the room began to shake and then a huge shadow

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appeared in the room. Javett asked the spirit what it

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wanted with Maria and heard a voice say revenge. Oho, okay,

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little deep boy singy revenge yeah. According to those in

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the room and kaviert the spirit claimed that Maria had

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been a witch in her previous life and had used

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black magic to harm and kill many. But that's not

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on Maria. That's on her previous life, like let it

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be let her free. Not. According to the spirit. The

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Spirituldkavier that many of the people Maria harmed died without

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being able to exact the revenge, so now they're torturing

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Maria in her current life. The situation again looked bleak

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for the Bedta family, who were told once again that

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there was nothing they could do because their daughter was

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meant to suffer for life. Yet Javierta and his group

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of spiritual leaders insisted on performing another exorcism because they

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believed they could convince the spirits that Maria was now

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responsible for what happened? Okay. Shockingly, the spirits agreed to

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leave the young girl alone, and almost instantly, a silence

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and a sense of peace fell on the room. What okay, Chico,

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I didn't know your game. The family took Maria and

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returned home, and the town returned to normal. Oh good ending.

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no way. Yeah. A few years later, Maria was found

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dead in her room. Her death was said to have

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been caused by intoxication, but it's unclear if Maria accidentally

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overdose or perhaps her tortures passed drove her to die

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by suicide. Oh that's terrible. At least she lived a

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few spirit for years. For real, Just when I thought

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we were gonna have something good in this podcast, I

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guess the only good things were being you and speaking

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of No but that's not no more like, really that's

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fucking sad. Yeah no, but yeah yeah, let me bring

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you back down to speaking of more sad things. We'll

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take a little on break here and then will be

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back with my depressing story my depressing case. We're back.

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On April fourth, twenty twenty three, longtime friends Nayeli Tapia,

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Juliana Massias and Denis Rena said by to their families

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headed for the beach on what was supposed to be

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a quick, fun trip. They left Santo Lovino, a city

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in Ecuador and headed towards Playa same in the Esmerlas province.

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like kind of more north and this is kind of

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like more what was it southwest? I don't know. It

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was down. It was down. Oh oh, I see and

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again it should have been a four hour drive and

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it was supposed to be a short vacation, but it

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turned into a literal nightmare for their families. Family members

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of the young women did not hear from them the

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following day and then they reported them missing. But on

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the seventh of April, the families received the worst things possible.

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The girls were found when a group of fishermen noticed

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a dog sniffing along siffing one specific spot along the

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Ismaeradas River, and the condition in which they were found

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left zero doubt that this was murder like it was

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so bad how they were found and the investigation that

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followed shed light on the growing danger women's face, not

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only in Ecuador, but literally everywhere femicize or on the rise. Yeah,

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when was the twenty twenty three? Oh, that's right right.

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All three of the young women were born and raised

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in Santo Domingo, and they had been friends since childhood.

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They'd been through it all like your typical girl group,

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you know, and they were there for each other through

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the ups and downs. They all had dreams and plans.

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Juliana Massias was twenty one, and she always stood out

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at academically. She was an honor student and she was

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given the the I don't know if it's like a

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title or the honors of la mejor Egresstada, so like

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the best in her class, the top in her class,

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and her graduating class like a like a valedictorian. Uh huh. Yeah.

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And she graduated from an Institute of Superior Sachila, the

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Superior Institute of Technology of Sachila, and her professors remember

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her as a bright, responsible student who was always willing

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to help anyone. And since she was a young child,

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she knew she would have to work hard for her future.

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She had been planning on pursuing a higher degree than

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her bachelor's, possibly becoming a psychologist one day. Wow, also

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as a bachelor. So it's not about dictorian. I forgot

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what it's called, like the deans, I don't know. No, again,

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I famously didn't finish college. So there's a name for

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it for the person who's the top and then usually

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will do the speech. But I don't remember what it's called. Yeah,

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I wouldn't know. I didn't get it, so you wouldn't

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know either. Yeah, okay, And school wasn't the only thing

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that she thrived and worked hard in. She also loved music,

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and she had been part of a group called Las Diablitas,

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and then she became a solo artist under the name

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Sedia and she grew a local following as well as

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social media. That's cool. Yeah, she was good. She even

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got a huge gig singing for a pretty big local

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political campaign, and her dreams of making money through her

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singing were coming true. And for her, an important part

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of like making steps toward that dream was to live independently.

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So as soon as she graduated, she moved out of

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her parents and into her grandmother's but where she was

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like earning her living, not just like living there for free. Right, yeah, right,

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that's such a for me. I feel like that's such

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a a cool way to still experience independence but still

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be with your family, right right, No, I agree, it's

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like the best of both worlds. I fear I feel

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like I'm not. I don't know because I experience it,

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but I feel like I would agree with that. I

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would have loved it. Oh my god. Yes, she worked

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all sorts of gigs and temporary jobs to support herself.

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She wanted to travel, see the world and not only

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use her voice to sing, but to call out injustice's

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women faced every day. Amazing. Yeah, I love that for her,

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which makes sense when you learn about who Hurtian was,

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which we'll get into a little bit later. Juliana's other

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bestie was Denise Rena, who was nineteen and in her

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third semester of agricultural engineering at the Cevelo State University,

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and she, just like her friend Juliana, was very studious,

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hard working, and caring as a child. I bet her

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parents were sickless, but her as a child, she would

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see street dogs and bring them home so that they

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would have a home. They're like, yeahweh. She even wanted

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to open her own veterinary clinic one day, but like

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the state of the country and her financial state, like,

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she had to change her plans. And her new plants

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were then to go to the US and try to

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make it in the US. A common story. Yeah, and

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those who knew her would describe her as calm, peaceful,

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and loyal and that she had the ability to diffuse

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any situation and she would just drop anything to help,

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just like her friend. And then Nigilee Tapia was the

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third of this girl trio. She was twenty two and

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a mother to a four year old girl, and she

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she had just moved from Santo Domingo to Quito to

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hopefully find a better job to provide for her child.

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And she lived there in Quito with her older sister

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and was still trying to find a job, like she

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had literally just moved. She did find occasional work as

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a model, and her long term plan was to move

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to Spain because she thought there was more modeling opportunities there.

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Makes sense, Yeah, sook this like successful girl group here,

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Like one of them is a singer, the other's a model,

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and the other is an agricultural engineering student, which sounds difficult.

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I don't know again famously dinner finish college, I hear

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engineering and I'm like my brain explodes. Yeah. Yeah. And

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she like her friends, She was kind, always happy, and

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despite the distance, always always still talk to her friends

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and was still very close with them. Even though the

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three of them had their plates so full, they made

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time for each other too and for fun, and part

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of that fun included their beach trip. Denise had met

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up with a friend which she had several times, a

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different friend, and he invited her on the trip, the

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beach trip, and was like, you should bring your friends,

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and it seemed like a good time. She didn't give

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an answer right away because she was like, well, let

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meet you with my friends. I'm not going without them,

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and I don't know if they want to go. Am

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I wrong to be suspicions? You're not gonna tell me,

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not at all. You're not at all wrong. No, this

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is why I'm not friends with men. I mean, I

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mean no. Yeah. On the fourth of April and nine am,

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she left her house, but she didn't give her family

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details on where she was going, just that she was

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going out for breakfast. But she still wasn't sure about

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the beach, so she didn't tell them she was going.

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She did mention the beach trip was maybe happening, but

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it wasn't for sure yet, so she was like, all right,

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I'll be back. And she went to breakfast with that

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same guy friend who invited her to the beach, and

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so they left together. Everything seemed fine, and at some

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point they picked Nayelli up and she had traveled from

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Quito to spend time with her friends. She's the one

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and keep them with the daughter. Yeah, and so her,

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Denise and this guy were together pretty much all day.

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They returned to Denis's house and then at Denisa's house,

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they decided, well, let's go to the beach. Let's do it.

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It sounds fun, and so they told Denis's parents, like,

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we're going to be at this Casablanca hotel, be in

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the touristy area at the beach in the Esmelalas province,

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and they were excited. They went out together for a bit,

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then they picked up Juliana. The girls were so excited

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for a little short vacate. Juliana even posted a video

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on her WhatsApp status where they were singing you know

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like a whoo sing along the car is moving type

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of video, but unfortunately the vibes they got dark very quickly.

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The drive was supposed to be four hours, but they

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were like, why are we still on the road. It's

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been like we should have been there already. So they

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started to get worried. Denise had already been texting with

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a different friend, normal friend things, you know, and then

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her friend received a text Sasa ricorda, get MUCHO. I

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feel like something is going to happen. Happened to me

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and if it does, remember then I love you so much.

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And her friend was like, wow, that was random, but

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she didn't know what to make of it. And I'm sure,

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I don't know. I would hope that she maybe forwarded

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this message to her parents, but maybe she didn't have

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that information. I don't know, but it is a worrisome

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worries some text to receive from something sure, and Naieli

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also felt like something was off, and just past eleven PM,

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she sends her live location to her sister. She said,

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just in case, she sent her live location, but after

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a while the signal was lost and then her sister

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could no longer see it, and then there was like

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then everyone lost contact with them. They weren't answering, the

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girls weren't sending any messages, and that was so unusual

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for them because even if they weren't with their family,

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they were like constantly sending updates and like you and

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I do that with our mom. Even you and Hawaii,

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You're like we landed, we're at the hotel, we're at

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the beach now, like they were the same way. And

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so this was very concerning for them, and none of

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the family members who went to think the worst, but

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when there was absolutely zero contact, they grew very, very worried,

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of course, and on Thursday, April sixth Juliana Stia Paulina Reda,

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who also happened to be a well known lawyer and

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women rights activists in Ecuador. Oh she was the first

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to report them missing. She made the report to the

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extorci Is Equestros or Dina said, for sure, the national

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police unit that deals with murder, disappearances, abductions and ransom.

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You've mentioned this before, right or no, maybe when we

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were talking, because this isn't the first Ecuador case. I

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don't think. Yeah, possibly, And the investigation began immediately, which

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again you have to like praise, because sometimes they're like, no,

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there's just girls having fun being bad like but no,

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this investigation started right away. But before they even started

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chasing leads, the invistigators received the terrible news that on

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the seventh a group of fishermen were on foot at

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the bank of the Esberanda's River when their dog was

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acting weird. It was sniffing and sniffing the same spot,

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barking at it, howling, and then it started to dig

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and they were like ahead of the dog, and they

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would call the dog, like, get over here, dog, I

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don't know the dog's name, and the super obedient dog

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would not leave the spot, and they're like, all right,

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this isn't normal. So they got closer to the dog

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and that's when they noticed a horrible smell and saw

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where the dog was digging, and they saw like half

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a body sticking out. Oh my god, of a shallow grave. Yeah,

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And so they called the police right away, and the

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police arrived very quickly and were met with the horrible scene.

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There were two more bodies in that grave. They were

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all there was. It was three women dressed like they

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were going to the beach. Their hands were tied behind them,

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and all three of them were gagged and their face

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were very disfigured. There was bruises everywhere and very clear

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signs of torture on all three of them. Wow. And

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despite the advanced stages of decomposition, police right away believed

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it was Nailli, Juliana, and Denise, and this was confirmed

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when family members arrived at the Morge later to identify them.

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And the identification of Juliana was extra challenging because, according

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to her Ta Paulina, her face was so deteriorated that

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they could only identify her through her feet. Oh my god.

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Was it because of how they were left by the

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person that did this, or because of the time that passed,

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or because it wasn't that long though right there, I

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think it's it wasn't that long. But I think just

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because it was the water and it was like hotter,

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oh in the water. That's right, that's right, I believe,

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because okay, I'll mention a little bit of it later

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as well. Yeah, it doesn't seem like something was done

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to their faces to make it extra the two redd

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or like messed up. The autopsy confirmed the obvious the

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women had been murdered. All three had puncture wounds consistent

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with the machete bruises were all over their bodies. Their

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throats had been severely slashed, which was the potential cause

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of death. And these murders shook the country. It became

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like a sensational case in the country. And because it

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was sensational, a video of Juliana surfaced, and in the

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video she was sitting at a bar with a man

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and she was singing like it appeared to be she

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was serenading the man. They looked like a couple in

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the video. And people took this and just ran with it.

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They were like, oh, this it was him. It was him,

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Oh my god, it wasn't him. No, it wasn't Juliana's Diaz,

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the one who came out and be like, you guys

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can just come out and accuse anyone, Like, dude, I

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don't Internet sleuths are the same anywhere, because that kind

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of shit happens over here. Oh yeah, like I remember

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that one. I mean it happens with all sorts of cases.

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But I remember the documentary of something about cats, but

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it wasn't really about cats, you know what I'm talking about?

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On Netflix. I forgot what it was called. But there

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was like a sloth, like a group of sloothers who

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supposedly were trying to solve this crime, and they pinpointed

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the wrong person, and that person ended up dying by

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suicide because of the accusations they made against them. Didn't

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this also happen in the Boston marathon bombing, Yeah, I

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believe so. I don't know that. I know they falsely

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accused someone read it, but I don't know that person

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harmed themselves because of it. I don't remember that, but

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I know that I'm not sure though it could be.

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Don't quote me, but yeah, it's a very common thing luckily,

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Like this man didn't do anything drastic, but he didn't

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have to like move because of the accusations. And yeah,

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it wasn't even him, he was innocent. He was just random,

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like this was an old video like yeah, And so

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the investigation continued. It was treated as a femicide right way,

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which carries a heavier charge, a heavier seriousist to it,

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at least for this group of police officers and detectives

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that were working the case. They were taking it very

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seriously and like to call it a femicide. It wasn't

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a light thing. So this was like a thing in

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their criminal justice system where yeah, it's they had heavier penalty. Yeah,

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a lot of Latin American countries at least have been

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adopting a new charge that is a femicide where it

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comes it's like a hate crime basically, and so that's

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how they were investigating it. They were taking it more seriously.

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And that's something that we in this country don't do.

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Domestic violence or violence against women. Even attacks that are

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seemingly or not seemly but apparently have some kind of

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sexist or racist or homophobic aspect to it, they still

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refuse to call it a hate crime. Yeah, And some

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people will hear the word femicigine and immediately like laugh

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and like they think it's not It makes them angry

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just to hear it. But there's a reason the word exists,

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like come on, right. So yeah, No, these investigators were

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taking it very seriously, which again is like some sadly

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something that has to be praised. Yeah, And so they

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returned to the area where they found the woman for

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more evidence, and they realized that there was no blood here,

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so they had to have been murdered somewhere else. And

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then moved to this area, and they also found an

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old beat up phone that they hoped would offer some leads.

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They pieced together the events that followed the fourth when

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the woman left for the beach trip. So Naieli's message

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to her sister, the one with the live location, was

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vital to this because even though it like dropped off,

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they went to that area and they're like, wow, this

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is very close to where they were found, and so

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it showed the officers like this car never made it

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to their location, like the murder happened between here and

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where they were found. They never went to the beach.

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So they were able to pull security footage from the area.

469
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They found that the car was a black Chevrolet che

470
00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:24,119
Chevrolet Chevrolet Chevrolet Chevy Chevy. It was a black Sui

471
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,720
Chevy anyway, and they could see that a man had

472
00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:31,160
been driving and that there was a second car behind

473
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,279
them with three men in that car. And the investigators

474
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:40,359
were able to track down the owners or the vehicles.

475
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,160
There were rented vehicles, and they were rented by thirty

476
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,720
four year old Olger Sanbrano. The vehicle had been seen

477
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:50,640
driving for hours after the time of the murder, and

478
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,720
then it was found crashed and abandoned in Santo Domingo,

479
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,279
where they were from, so they drove back after then

480
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,759
they found out that although Orged had rented the car,

481
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:04,799
the person actually driving the car the girls were in

482
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:10,640
was Luis Fernando Vacca Bravo. Denis's family immediately recognized the name.

483
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,680
He had been friends with her for years now, and

484
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:17,720
he was the one who made the invitation in the

485
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:22,079
first place. Orger Sanbrano, who had been driving the second

486
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,599
car with his brother Andres Marcello and another friend, Omar

487
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:29,720
Ivan Ordonez and so. These three had not known the

488
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:31,640
women for a long time. They met them at a

489
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,039
party just a few months before the beach trip, but

490
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:40,480
they were friends with Louis and so Julianastia Paulina believed

491
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:45,200
that this was her theory after hearing like these potential suspects.

492
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,079
She believed that there had been an argument and perhaps

493
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,240
even a refusal of the girls to sleep with them men,

494
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,400
and that's what caused them to be angry and then

495
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,240
kill the girls. I could see why she thought that,

496
00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:01,160
because at this point there's three of the men and

497
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,119
three of the girls. Yeah. The rest of the family

498
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,759
members believed a different story. They thought it was premeditated

499
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:11,839
because they said that the grave that they were found

500
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,400
in was very deep. But if you have four men,

501
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,559
you can they can dig up. Oh yeah, So Louise

502
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:19,960
was driving the car with them, and the other car

503
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:23,160
had three the two brothers and then the Omar guy.

504
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:28,000
Yeah yes, so, I mean among them they can dig

505
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,000
a pretty big hole. So, but they believed there was

506
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,279
premeditated and that the men had pre dug the giant grave.

507
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,519
And then they also believed that the men had used

508
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:38,680
some sort of chemical acid on the faces of the

509
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,799
women because of how disfigured they were, but this was

510
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,400
later denied or disproved. It was proven to be from

511
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,200
the water or what. I can't find something the basis

512
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,319
of the like of they this didn't happen, but the

513
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:55,000
police was like, no, that's not there were there was

514
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:59,480
no chemical usage on their faces. So there was no

515
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,720
information on what caused the disfigurement. I can only guess

516
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:08,599
that it was like the elements, and investigators never made

517
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,359
this public like the cause, but it did seem that

518
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:16,279
Pabrina had been correct based on how the investigation went.

519
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:20,160
So once the car had been located, there were traces

520
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,400
of blood in the car, making it evident. Oh and sorry,

521
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,400
there was traces of blood, and then there was an

522
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,839
attempt to clean that blood. Like they could tell that much.

523
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,599
And so this led them to believe that this is

524
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,000
where they were murdered or where something happened because of

525
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,039
the blood found in the car. And also they found

526
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:39,839
a nail that had belonged to Denise, which indicated there

527
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,440
was a struggle in the vehicle, and the men quickly

528
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,839
became primary suspects. Investigators then attempted to locate them and

529
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,759
issue arrest warrants, and on May twenty six, twenty twenty three,

530
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,680
the pair of brothers Andres and Urge were found near

531
00:31:55,759 --> 00:32:01,920
the border of Ecuador and Peru. Like else they were,

532
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,799
they were trying to flee. Yeah, they were trying to

533
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:10,480
flee into Peru. And so they were arrested and then

534
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:12,960
you know, put in jail. And then in their search

535
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,839
for Louis Vaka, there had been a twist in the

536
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:22,759
investigation two months after the brothers had been apprehended, you know,

537
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,039
maybe so, because then in July he was found murdered

538
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:32,279
and dismembered in the province of Chimborasso, which is not

539
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:35,799
close to the river or Santo Domingo, like it is

540
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:39,039
a whole different location. And once the autopsy had been done,

541
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,319
investigators learned that he had been dead since April, potentially only,

542
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,440
if not the same day as the girls, a few

543
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:51,319
days at most after them. Wow. Yes, and his parents,

544
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,319
Louis Baca's parents had fled at Guador because once he

545
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,400
had been declared a suspect, they were getting death threats

546
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,279
by people. But it turns out that they have boken

547
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:04,279
to Paulina Julian Astilla and they told her that they

548
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:06,880
suspected their son had been murdered with the women, with

549
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,799
the young women, because they had not they hadn't been

550
00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:12,160
able to get ahold of him. Yeah, since the women

551
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,319
had been found, And what his family suspected is that

552
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:18,759
he saw it happen and he was going to talk

553
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:21,759
and they took care of it before they took care

554
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:25,000
of him before he could talk, which would makes sense

555
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,839
or I mean, not to get to speculate it, but

556
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:31,759
I feel like also maybe when they try to first

557
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,799
sexually attack the women or whatever, like maybe he stepped

558
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:36,480
in to defend them and they killed him then, Like

559
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:39,680
I could also see that maybe either either one of those,

560
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,839
or is what happened because it was only a day

561
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,039
or two after they had been murdered, that he had

562
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:48,279
been murdered. Oh it was after Okay, yeah, well no,

563
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:51,759
police are not sure. So the timeline they they gave

564
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,960
is either the same time they were murdered or like

565
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:58,519
a day or two after at most. But yeah, he

566
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,039
had been murdered and like his parents had to flee

567
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:03,680
because of the death threats they were receiving. How unfortunate

568
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,559
that they were getting threats at the same time their son,

569
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,480
they suspect that had also been killed. Yes, yes, And

570
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,239
investigators continued looking for Omar Ordonez, the third man in

571
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,679
the other vehicle with the brothers, and they had been

572
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,480
unsuccessful until November twenty twenty three. They found him and

573
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,119
caught him and arrested him, and they learned that he

574
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,199
was part of a criminal organization called Los Lobos. He

575
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,880
also had prior charges that had to do with transporting

576
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,760
illegal firearms. So the other two had the other three

577
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,440
men because well Louis was dead by his criminal record

578
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:44,760
was also checked and so the other three had no

579
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:49,400
charges at all. But Z did have like a history

580
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:54,800
of crime and I had been a part of this cartel.

581
00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,360
I think it's a cartel. Sounds like one. Yeah, And

582
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,400
so now all three of them were behind bars and

583
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,800
they were officially charged with femicide. But then the court

584
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,960
changed this from femicide to like just regular murder. Why,

585
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,360
I don't know? They Oh, I do know. Sorry I

586
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,559
wrote it down. My bad. My instinct is just to

587
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:27,320
say I don't know. I was changed from femicide to

588
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:31,920
just regular planal murder because they the court said that

589
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,400
there was no intimate relationship between the men and the

590
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,360
young women, which is like the defining factor for a femicide,

591
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,079
like that intimate relationship between the perpetrator and the victim.

592
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,039
But I would argue that just knowing them and being

593
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:50,880
friends with them is I think that counts. Yeah, I

594
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,239
could see why they would try to define it like that.

595
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,880
But didn't we just talk about case We literally did? Yeah,

596
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,679
we did? Was it? I don't even remember? It was

597
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:07,199
the woman the exorcism of Vima Trujillo. Yes, yeah, let's

598
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,400
say who they did the extorsism on. But I candn't

599
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,039
remember what country it was from, but you remembered her name. Yes,

600
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:15,599
it was Nicaragua, and they charged it as, oh, that's right,

601
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:18,159
that's right, and they charged it as femicide even though

602
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:23,639
they technically didn't have like that component relationship. But they

603
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,000
knew each other, he knew. Yeah, And this of course

604
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:30,559
outraged family members and pretty much the whole country, of course,

605
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,960
because again it was a sensational case and so everyone

606
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:35,840
knew what was going on with the case, and when

607
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,599
they this was done, it was an outrage. And Juliane Astella,

608
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,760
she argued that the intimate relationship didn't matter. That part

609
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,480
didn't matter of the official definition, because these men felt

610
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:50,159
entitled to the women because of their gender, and they

611
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:56,039
would not have been murdered if they had been men exactly,

612
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,559
because they murdered them when they were rejected. And yeah,

613
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:00,719
if they had been this wouldn't have happened if they

614
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,719
were not women. But the course were not swayed and

615
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:12,880
they didn't change it back to femicide. On April ninth,

616
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,920
twenty twenty four, the first trial against the three men

617
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,639
was held, and the strategy of the defense when when sorry,

618
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:25,400
well April ninth, twenty four, Yeah, okay, let me just

619
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,760
resay that. Yeah, sorry, I don't know why, Like I said, anybody,

620
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,599
it didn't sometimes I have to repeat dates again to you.

621
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:36,159
So number yeah, the numbers. Yeah. On April ninth, twenty

622
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:38,760
twenty four, the first trial against the three men was

623
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,559
held and the strategy of the defense was to pin

624
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:44,559
it all on Louis Vaka, who could not defend himself

625
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:48,440
because they had potentially killed him. But then who killed him?

626
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,519
They didn't have enough evidence, not the defendants. It was

627
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,480
just speculation that it was the defendants. But like, honestly,

628
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,679
of course who ell and or Gus Mbrano was let go.

629
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,719
He was found to not have been present at the

630
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,280
time of the murder. He had just been the one

631
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,679
who acquired the vehicle, but he wasn't there when they

632
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:09,119
were killed, That's what they said, and so he was

633
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:14,639
lego interesting. Yeah, And so the trial for Omar Ordonez

634
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:19,840
and Andres Abrano continued and after a lot of testimonies

635
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,280
placing them at the location, documents and physical evidence, a

636
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:29,000
historic sentence for Ecuador was given on the seventeenth of

637
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:32,199
May twenty twenty fourth. The men were given the maximum

638
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,000
sentence possible for murder, which is thirty four years in

639
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:42,320
prison without parole. And so yeah, for the murder of Nayellitapia,

640
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,000
Juliana Massias, and Denis Rena. They were also ordered to

641
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:49,920
pay three hundred thousand dollars to the families for financial

642
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,320
distress and another fine of thirteen thousand on top of

643
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,719
the thirty three hundred thousand sorry numbers. Oh my god,

644
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:04,800
it sounds so dumb. No, well, yeah, thirty thirty My bad. No,

645
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,880
I had to practice, had to say five one hundred

646
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,039
and eighty two thousand something earlier. So okay, well, yeah,

647
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:13,559
we're the same or one brain, shared brain cell. And

648
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:16,960
the defense did try to appeal in October of twenty

649
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,760
twenty four and there was a new trial to see

650
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,440
if the sentence was fair, because according to the defense,

651
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,280
it was not fair. But luckily justice was on the

652
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,360
side of the family and the sentence was ratified. Like

653
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,760
they were like, yeah, this was good. Is that what

654
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:37,079
ratified means? I don't know. Okay, whoa, I'm not that

655
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:40,199
smart neither. In Spanish it was ratificado, so I have

656
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,599
assumed that that translated into ratified, and then I assumed

657
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:48,880
that it had a meeting a lot of assumptions. Maybe

658
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,440
someone will that was not the right term. They basically

659
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,400
were like, yeah, this was the right sentence. But you know,

660
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,960
what should have happened there should have been like nope, more,

661
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:00,559
actually we messed there was a case more what were

662
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:02,519
we what case was there? Where they were like someone

663
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:06,039
appealed and then it was like no more time we

664
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:08,280
covered a case. I remember that. I don't even remember.

665
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,920
Yeah either, And although it clearly doesn't bring back their daughters,

666
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:19,199
the families felt relief that the second trial was refirming,

667
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,159
reaffirming that that sentence, and they of course continued to

668
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:29,079
miss their daughters or sisters or nieces right their sense

669
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:36,199
of safety was forever destroyed. Paulina received threats for publicly

670
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:40,800
demanding justice. A family member of the niece stated she

671
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,519
didn't feel safe fucking around anymore, like how could she.

672
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:52,199
At Juliana's funeral, a mass man approached Paulina JULIANA'STM and

673
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:59,320
told hers stop poking around. Remember that you have daughters. Yeah.

674
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,559
This is just so reminiscent of so many things that

675
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,920
we've talked about, and one that comes to mind because

676
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,079
I'm listening to the book Everyone who is Gone is here.

677
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:14,840
I'm pretty sure that, yeah, I think so. I'm listening

678
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,320
to that, and I want to recommend it over but

679
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,840
because they talk about a lot of stuff that we

680
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,440
have talked about here and in this podcast, because they

681
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:34,880
talk about Luscetto's uh murder in the book, but in

682
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,440
one part, because it's basically about Central America, the history

683
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,800
and the US involvement and the migration crisis because of

684
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:50,559
US involvement, and they talk about Mina Midna Mac was

685
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:56,360
her y from and how she was killed because of

686
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,639
all of her work with the researching the indigenous community

687
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:04,360
and advocating for the indigenous community that had basically basically

688
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,800
been was being genocided by the Guatemalan government military and

689
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,159
she was killed because of her work by the military.

690
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:23,039
But of course putiny impunity was rampant, and instead of

691
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,400
properly investigating her murder, they said it was just one

692
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,920
random robbing. I think that's what they ended up seeing.

693
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:37,679
And then her sister fought for investigating herself, advocated for

694
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,159
a right justice to be served. She took the case

695
00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:46,800
to the ic J. I'm pretty sure it was, but

696
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,280
she and the family was receiving threats because she was

697
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,039
looking into the murder of Vietna. Yes, that's right. And

698
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:58,679
the book they also talk about the creation of the

699
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,280
MS thirteen and how the gangs basically spread all over

700
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,239
Central America too. And they're talking about the violence in Guatemala,

701
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:13,679
and there's one part where this woman's uncle was killed

702
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:16,880
and then she was threatened. Basically the family was threatened

703
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,000
one by one. They all fled and eventually made their

704
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,199
way to the US because of the violence and the threats.

705
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,880
They were very similar because of a Faunid member that, yeah,

706
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,159
very similar. It's such a huge issue. And Paulina was

707
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:34,119
already used to receiving threats because of her job of

708
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:36,599
her wife. Yeah, but this was a whole another level.

709
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,000
She requested state protection, which I think should have been

710
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:44,159
given to her, but it wasn't. And tragically for her family,

711
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,239
the worst was yet to come. Her son was killed

712
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,679
in an unrelated incident, it seems. But then in November

713
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,519
twenty twenty four, she herself was abducted. Oh wow, and

714
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:58,320
she was found two days later in Tossagua, Ecuador, three

715
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,960
hours away from Santa Domingos, really hurt. She was taken

716
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,159
to the hospital where she was basically finding for her

717
00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:07,159
life and they still never found out the motive for

718
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:11,079
her kidnapping. But luckily she was returned home safe and sound.

719
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,639
She's yes, yes, but could it haven't related, Like we

720
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:20,639
don't know. Yeah, I'm like, even if it wasn't related,

721
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:23,199
it just goes to show the wave of violence against

722
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,719
women and the femicide. Yeah, the murder of the three

723
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:33,159
women and then the aftermath of their murders, it just

724
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,239
sheds so much light on the dangerous woman face simply

725
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,440
for being women. And then the fact that it wasn't

726
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,599
called the femicide afterward is just like adding insult to injury.

727
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,880
Oh yeah, definitely, definitely, And that's the importance of fighting

728
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:51,000
the patriarchy because a lot of dumb bitches out there

729
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,079
think that subscribing to traditional gender roles and falling in

730
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:59,079
line with the patriarchy will protect them. Well it does not.

731
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,840
It actually to morelence violence, and it doesn't protect you.

732
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,880
I mean, just look at any point in time. Yeah.

733
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,719
Also another important thing here, this is twenty twenty three

734
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,079
when it occurred, and like a lot of Latin America,

735
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,599
Igualala falls under the same trajectory where they're pushing right

736
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,440
and right and they actually just right. It's like, I

737
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,039
feel like the whole world almost Yeah, except Mexico. M Hm,

738
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,000
you've got meco governments. I'll be shotting that on the

739
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,199
sucker game. Sorry, go on, oh wow for sure. Anyway,

740
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:45,719
but when these right wing these types of governments and dictatorships,

741
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,119
the people at the most to face the most danger

742
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:54,199
under these types of governments are women and children, and

743
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,800
like people think, oh, we need us strong hand to

744
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,360
lead us to safety, and really people pay the price

745
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,400
for that. And it's not even just like state sanctioned

746
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:09,159
crimes that go up, but then impunity happens. And like, yes,

747
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,320
here in this case they did face justice, even though

748
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,199
it was lessened into a femicide. But like when you

749
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,239
have these dictatorships coming into power less than from a

750
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,960
m yes, sorry, I don't know what I said. Oh yes,

751
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:27,320
from two anyway, I don't know know, like it was

752
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,159
not it was originally charged them and then yes, thank

753
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:36,320
you yeses. Also side note, but like the US is

754
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:43,880
helping the authoritative government in Equador right now fight their opposition,

755
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,119
which is never a good sign, right of course, and

756
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,599
like it's just I don't know, I guess important to

757
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:51,440
get a full picture of like what is going on

758
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,960
in the country that informs these type of crimes, because

759
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,360
like when these governments take power, these types of crimes rise.

760
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,239
And it's not to say one is more perfect than

761
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,440
the other, but one is like a fake sense of safety,

762
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:12,800
and you know, and and one believes in yes, violent rhetoric. Yes,

763
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,960
like I don't care if you if you think that

764
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,440
people are exaggerating, but that's the reality of it. Yeah,

765
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:25,039
like viewing women as objects, being children as objects, that's

766
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:34,960
what that's what enables a violent attitude in worldview against

767
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:41,239
women and children against Yeah, the most vulnerable. And I

768
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,519
mean it's not to go too off topic, and that

769
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,119
is a tenet of the right way, yes, and of

770
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:50,119
these patriarchal systems. So I don't know what I was

771
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,719
gonna say, so it doesn't matter, but yeah, yeah, just

772
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,679
I want to say those things. Feminism period. Yes, that's

773
00:47:55,679 --> 00:48:05,679
why it's important. Yeah. So yeah, do you have any

774
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:10,400
speaky recommendations? Actually I do, I do. I listen to

775
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:17,400
the audiobook. Cackle, Oh, I've racheld something, isn't it Harrison?

776
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,480
I think it is her. I think you're right, it's Harrison. Yeah,

777
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,519
I think so. I'm gonna pulls. Okay. I've realized a

778
00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:25,760
lot of people don't like her writing, just like a

779
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,800
lot of people don't like Grady Hendrix. And it's so

780
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,119
funny because I've liked all the books I've read by

781
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,840
both of them. Both of them, I think I've read

782
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,960
too or listen. I haven't actually read any, but I

783
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:42,440
listened to three of her books already. I think, Mmm, okay,

784
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:45,039
I still need to read one. I still haven't. Oh

785
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:51,360
you haven't. No, okay, so cackle by Rachel Harrison the

786
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,760
description all her life, Annie has played it nice and safe.

787
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,840
After being unceremoniously dumped by her longtime boyfriend, Annie seeks

788
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,719
a fresh start. She accept a teaching position that moves

789
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,159
from Manhattan to a small village upstate. She's stunded by

790
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:09,039
how perfect and picturesque the town is. The people are

791
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:12,320
all friendly and warm. Her new apartment is dreamy too,

792
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:18,079
minus the oddly persistent spider in physician. Then Annie meets Sophie, Beautiful, charming,

793
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:22,079
magnetic Sophie who takes a special interest in Annie, who

794
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,960
wants to be her friend. More importantly, she wants Annie

795
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,159
to stop apologizing and start living for herself. That's how

796
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:31,559
Sophie lives. Annie can't help but gravitate toward the self

797
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:34,360
possessed Sophie, wanting to spend more and more time with her,

798
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,480
despite the fact that the rest of the town folks

799
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,639
seem a little afraid of her, and like, Okay, there

800
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:43,840
are some things. Sophie's appearance is on Kenny and ageless.

801
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,239
Her mansion in the middle of the woods feels a

802
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,760
little unearthly, and she does seem to wield a certain power.

803
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,280
But she couldn't be could she done right? And it

804
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,519
was just a perfect like it got me and a

805
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:01,440
fall mood. I love this one hundred plus degree together

806
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,599
that we were hiving here in the ARMPI. Yes, yes,

807
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,960
so yeah, it made me feel like fall in the inside.

808
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,599
And people talk about cozy horror and I feel like

809
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:18,119
this is cozy horror. Oh on that to my tv R. Yeah,

810
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,280
I liked it. And in the end, it's like friendship. Ooh,

811
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,159
I love woman friendship matters more. I love that. I

812
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,599
just watched Brone City and that is the epitome of

813
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,320
a women friendship. Okay, if you haven't watched it, you

814
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,559
need to watch it. I do need to watch it. Yeah,

815
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,199
so I liked it. I like cackle love. I'm going

816
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:46,559
to add it to my TVR I'm never ending TVR

817
00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:50,400
my speaking recommendation. I already yapped about it for literally

818
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,519
almost two hours with Aiden but weapons, oh weapons, it

819
00:50:54,559 --> 00:51:00,719
was so good, Like I it was, It's a different

820
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,880
type of movie. I went in not knowing literally anything

821
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,440
about it except kids running anime style, which I already

822
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,920
said on to talk, and that's it. That's all I knew.

823
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,119
I didn't know what to expect, which is like, I

824
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,320
guess people went in expecting aliens and spoiler there is

825
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,360
no aliens. So they were like, this did not meet

826
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,239
my expectations. And I was like, you know what, you

827
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,320
can't have expectations, don't have them go in. That's why

828
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,599
I like listening and watching stuff without really knowing much

829
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:31,079
about the same. And yeah, it blew in my mind.

830
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:34,320
It was amazing. Just when you thought it wasn't gonna

831
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,159
go there, it went there and it went past it,

832
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:39,000
but it wasn't It was like a good past past it.

833
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,639
It wasn't like a bad past it, you know. Uh.

834
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:43,360
And I'm not gonna say anything else because you need

835
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,199
to watch it, but it was fucking crazy. I there

836
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,039
was like three moments specific when I was like, was

837
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:54,639
it scary? Yeah, some parts were like, we're like, because

838
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:56,880
I was trying to convince Pat to watch it. Oh okay,

839
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,280
now I hardly watched movies by myself. There was a

840
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:04,119
couple jump scares. Oh, and he saw the trailer and

841
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:05,559
he's like, no, I don't want to watch it, and

842
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:07,360
I was like, yeah, I don't think. I think he

843
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,239
would be horrified. I do. Yeah, okay, it's more for

844
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:16,119
me and you, you know it honestly, almost, but it

845
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:18,000
was a little more light than that. But it almost

846
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:22,840
made me feel as dreadful as that Argentinean movie. I

847
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,159
wouldn't shut the fuck up out. Maybe you're gonna say, yes,

848
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:28,880
I already forgot the name. I don't remember it either,

849
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,480
but no, yes, it's the same people who made Terrified,

850
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:35,360
but it's not Terrified. It's that other one with the

851
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,280
possessed people, and it has a very similar name to that. Anyway,

852
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,320
it made me feel like that, but it was had

853
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,320
lighter moments which were very appreciated. Also, Oh, well, no,

854
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,840
you didn't watch you watch some of The Walking Dead?

855
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,039
Do you remember Ron from The Walking Dead? Ron? Yeah?

856
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:57,400
Do you remember when they get to Alexandria? No? Okay,

857
00:52:57,519 --> 00:52:59,920
so that's pointless anyway, Ron from The Walking Dad is

858
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,719
in the movie, and I was like, okay, Ron, I

859
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,639
see you. He was so good in it. He was

860
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:08,559
an annoying as Brady kid in The Walking Dead, so

861
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:10,320
I didn't know his game. Ron is a kid, and

862
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,199
yeah he's a kid in The Walking Dead. He's an adult.

863
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,800
Now I only remember Carl. Yeah, well they get to

864
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:17,400
they leave like the I don't know. No, that's too

865
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:23,360
much I go into I can't recap four seasons. I

866
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,000
would love to. I love The Walking Dead, but no,

867
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:28,280
I'm not going to. Anyway, he was in it and

868
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,440
he was shockingly good, and I yapped about the movie

869
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,079
for almost two hours with Aiden. Is he still a kid? No, No,

870
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:36,239
he's a young adult. He's an adults. I don't know

871
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,000
how old he is, like twenty five, maybe twenty six,

872
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,559
twenty eight, I don't know. I'm guessing, Oh, are you

873
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:49,800
older than twenty younger than thirty? Okay, Yeah, that's a

874
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,760
good window there. All right. Well, I guess that brings

875
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,760
us to the end of the episode. We'll see how

876
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,039
the Mexico versus Japan game goes. Carmen's gonna attended irl

877
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:04,440
and I'm gonna go to a bar hat and back

878
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,639
or hat back, grill, hat back and grill something like that.

879
00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:11,840
If you just like look up where they show games

880
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,559
at places, it's gonna pop up. I see, yeah, and

881
00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:20,519
so yeah, I'll update everyone on my social butterfly events later.

882
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,079
And other than that, I was gonna try and say

883
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:28,079
something about the Poulter guys, but I can't think watch

884
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:32,679
Out for Brickings like watch Out for Bricks go goes

885
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,719
to brickings by Polter guys. Yeah, and yees stay spokua,

886
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,840
can't you real next time? Oh my god, no, no, no, no, no,

887
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:46,119
I almost forgot event. Yes, I momentarily remembered right now

888
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:48,599
and they're forgotten. Then you wait, you said that's what's

889
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:51,800
freshmen hair right now? Because I was like gonna mention, yes, okay,

890
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,920
go ahead. Have you stayed this long? We have some news.

891
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,239
We're going to be in Washington in y I come

892
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,199
out Washington. An event called the Cugui is going to

893
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,119
get you a night of storytelling, Sustos and spirits featuring

894
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,880
Jonathan Pees from Latinos against Spooky Shit and then us

895
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,360
as Spooky teals. Yeah, and there's gonna be live storytelling

896
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,679
terot Oracle card readers, and then there's gonna be a

897
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,480
little spooky Mercado and tickets go on sale. Did they

898
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,039
already go and sale? I didn't see a link. It

899
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:28,400
says tickets go on sale September first, but yeah, you

900
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:31,400
didn't like send me anything. As soon as we have

901
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,360
the link, I will update it. This is editing Christina

902
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,800
from the future from when this was recorded, interrupting this

903
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,000
episode to announce that the tickets have gone live as

904
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:47,920
of ten am Friday, September fifth. If we're hearing this

905
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:51,519
at the time it releases, and if you're hearing it later,

906
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:54,760
there's still up probably unless you're hearing it like years

907
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,480
from now, which I don't know about that. But yes,

908
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:02,360
tickets go on sale September fifth, twenty twenty five, at

909
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,760
ten am specific Standard time, and I have put the

910
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,920
link in the show notes. Let me know. If that

911
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,400
doesn't work. It won't work before ten am, but it

912
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,320
should work after. If it doesn't, let me know. And

913
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,960
we hope to see you at the event in Yakima.

914
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,480
We will be at that event. I don't think the

915
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,920
tickets are livea but by the time this comes out,

916
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,440
hopefully it will be. There's supposed to be line September first,

917
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,679
so yeah, we'll share the link and more details to come,

918
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:34,880
but yeah, November one, we're gonna be there. And I mean, hey,

919
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,320
that's only that at to hour drive from Seattle, so like,

920
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,559
if you're in this area or a little further, just

921
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:44,960
go just drive over there, go, just go. And of

922
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,039
course if you're in Yakima, like come through, come through.

923
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,719
And yeah, okay, that's what I wanted to share. No

924
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,440
one will know how long it took us to find

925
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,920
that information. And yeah, other than that Facebook, we'll catch

926
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:02,079
everyone next time. Bye bye. As Booktells is hosted by

927
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:05,599
Christina and Carmen, produced and edited by Christina, researched by

928
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,079
Christina Carmen and with the help of Don Shout Out Don.

929
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,400
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00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,599
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931
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932
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,400
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at gmail dot com. You can go to our website

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at bookitos dot com and fill out the contact form

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if you want to support the podcast. You can join

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our Patreon where we send exclusive stickers, have bonus episodes.

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Eight dollar members get an exclusive keychain. It's super cool.

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I got new ones and these ones are huge. And

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if you want to support, but you can or don't

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want to join the patreon, that's fine too. You can

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also get some merch. You can find Shrews Essay, Spooky

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and old English letters. There's a beanie. I love the beanie.

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There's also a hat. There's a no Mamus shirt which

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is a fan favorite. There's a lot of options, crap tops, sweaters.

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It's almost wetter weather or a spookie season, so yeah,

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get your hoodies. You're gonna need them. If you don't

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want to do all that, that's fine too. You can

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just listen like you're listening now, and that's the best

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support that you can give us. Like I always say

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in our ad break and yeah, I feel like history.

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You can follow Estodia's Unknown Mining, Carment's other podcasts, and

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you can find a Spooky Tells on all of our

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socials at a Spooky Tells All. This is in the

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show notes and we appreciate every single listen. Thank you

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so much. Stay as Spooky