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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Jewish History Uncensored with Mark Shapiro. This is

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<v Speaker 1>season sixteen, episode thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, hello everyone, thank you all for joining us. As always,

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<v Speaker 2>just let me start some follow up with some questions

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<v Speaker 2>and have some comments. Rabbi Ari Yankin, I showed you

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<v Speaker 2>we saw that video of this guy, this non Jewish guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He comes into a house, Hasidic house and he videos

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<v Speaker 2>the shop is meals and I was wondering about this,

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<v Speaker 2>and Rabbi Incin emails me that that it's now this

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing is becoming it's a weak hit there,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's becoming more normative. And he called my attention

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<v Speaker 2>to something called the Pisca chewvos, which really doesn't talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that per se as a head there. It talks

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<v Speaker 2>about if the non jew does it on it seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be on his own, and if he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>sell it to the Jews and that's why he's doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>is that permissible it's malocus, but actually bring him in.

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<v Speaker 2>But on the other hand, of course, if you have

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<v Speaker 2>it set up and you don't, you don't actually invite

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<v Speaker 2>the non Jew in like let's say it's automatic. We

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<v Speaker 2>have to ask ourself. What's the isser maybe if it's

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<v Speaker 2>being done automatically, but in terms of it becoming popular

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<v Speaker 2>ink and who if you don't know him, you can

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<v Speaker 2>hook him up. He's written some very nice alaka works.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, they do it in Uman so lo and behold,

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<v Speaker 2>I look up. I go on the internet and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to find uh videos of Uman, and first I

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<v Speaker 2>find this, and this is reason enough why not to

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<v Speaker 2>go to Uman? Now perhaps in a description of why

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<v Speaker 2>you should go to Uman from Breslov dot Org, it explains,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just read it to you the last paragraph. You

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<v Speaker 2>can read the whole thing if you want.

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<v Speaker 3>Oops.

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<v Speaker 2>The rebbe felt now the Rebby's Rebnachmann that it's the

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<v Speaker 2>most important thing to be with him in Russias Shana,

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<v Speaker 2>as Ashem gifted him to understand the essence of Russiashana

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<v Speaker 2>as no one else did. He said that he can

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<v Speaker 2>fix things for people on Russia Shana that no one

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<v Speaker 2>else can. So Rebnachmann can fix things. And then it says,

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<v Speaker 2>in that case, even if one feels that the Davi

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<v Speaker 2>and Uman won't be as good for him or the

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<v Speaker 2>amenity stink or the people or the travel and discomfort

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<v Speaker 2>will be challenging for him. He is still best off

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<v Speaker 2>spending the holiday with the rebbe because the rebbe will

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<v Speaker 2>make sure to help him take care of what he

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<v Speaker 2>needs to do with us, what he needs to do

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<v Speaker 2>with Ushem for the new year. So in other words,

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<v Speaker 2>you go there and the rebby will make sure with

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<v Speaker 2>God that everything's okay. Now that's I guess what you

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<v Speaker 2>call do recheljamesing. But okay, if you're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>to Uman, this is a video took place. Notice they

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<v Speaker 2>say video by non Jew, but they hire the nan

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<v Speaker 2>ju to take this video. And here you go. So

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<v Speaker 2>there you go. You got uh And I told you

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<v Speaker 2>the other Hasidic groups have done this. So I can't

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<v Speaker 2>say whether this is going to become normative, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>definitely uh strange and uh. Like I said, you people

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<v Speaker 2>can do their bar mitzvas, then automatically they can set

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<v Speaker 2>it up. Some people email me about the philosophy of

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<v Speaker 2>the Rombam. I want to call your attention to something

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<v Speaker 2>which isn't total in motion, but hold on where it

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<v Speaker 2>is about. I don't know what here it was. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was two thousand and six. There is something

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<v Speaker 2>in Canada called KATSTV, some television there, and they decided

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<v Speaker 2>to do a whole thirty teen parts series on the

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<v Speaker 2>ram Bomb on his thirteen principles, one show about each principle.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a bit of a strange thing because they

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<v Speaker 2>combine it with like a game that these young people

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<v Speaker 2>are playing. But they who they interview on it myself.

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<v Speaker 2>They spent hours and hours at my house because we

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<v Speaker 2>have to go through all thirteen principles. They interviewed. It's

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<v Speaker 2>from Toronto. They interviewed Rabbi. See some of the videos

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<v Speaker 2>I uploaded these all to this thing in Toronto used

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<v Speaker 2>to be called Kosher Tube and then I guess that

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<v Speaker 2>closed down and Kosher Tube put it on YouTube. But

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<v Speaker 2>the audio was perfect. The video is not always so Rebbi.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not Bridowitz, who I don't know, but very good

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<v Speaker 2>you have Rabbi. Unfortunately, Rebbi lape Tropper, he had a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a scandal after this David Novak show him Karmi.

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<v Speaker 2>I heched from Toronto and I think, oh and Mayor Schiller,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have to say, if anyone's interested, it's only

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<v Speaker 2>there about forty minutes long, twenty minutes long each one

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<v Speaker 2>and if you cut out the game at the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the end, there each fifteen minutes. And what I

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<v Speaker 2>find really interesting in this it's called CRADO thirteen, is

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<v Speaker 2>even though you have let's say Donovaka myself are the academics,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess Krame's in the middle, and then you have

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<v Speaker 2>the rabbis, with the exception of Trapper, we all say

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<v Speaker 2>basically the same thing. So I think it's a very

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<v Speaker 2>good example of where the both the academics and the traditionalists.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do have to say I've never met him,

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<v Speaker 2>but Rebby bridowit's from Toronto. He comes across very very insightful.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyone's interested, very nice. Two more things I want

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<v Speaker 2>to show you. I want one more thing I want

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<v Speaker 2>to show you, and then I want to read you

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<v Speaker 2>something and then we'll be back to where we are.

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<v Speaker 2>I showed you ask class. I couldn't find it. I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to show you one more video. But before I

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<v Speaker 2>do that, I was showing you these videos of the

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<v Speaker 2>schools and someone mentioned Ravvadia permits if it's not live music,

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<v Speaker 2>and I sort of agreed, but it's not really true.

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<v Speaker 2>I misspoke. In fact, it's the response that we saw

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<v Speaker 2>earlier on in the book from his son, where originally

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<v Speaker 2>Revavadia said it's a problem if you know what the

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<v Speaker 2>woman looks like, but then he retracted and said, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not a problem. The problem is only if you've seen

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<v Speaker 2>her live. But the Sun says, and it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's Shirahaya or Bahakata, because look, let's be realistic.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're watching a video, that's the same thing. So

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<v Speaker 2>Revvadia does not permit to watching, you know, the live

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<v Speaker 2>live shows. So I showed you some of these things,

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<v Speaker 2>the one I was looking for. Just I'll show you

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<v Speaker 2>quickly here and I'll stop it. I don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>show you any more of this. But this takes place,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, at one of the Yeshiva High school. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so because someone said they didn't see boys and girls together. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>after the class, I was thinking, this is my alma mater, JAYC.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm thinking that a lot of these schools would

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<v Speaker 2>have no problem with these events. But I know, having

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<v Speaker 2>gone to this school, this isn't the sort of thing

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<v Speaker 2>jac and certainly the school in Waterbury. So what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on here? So I spoke to my son, who is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the organizers and just so cool, we have

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<v Speaker 2>a Claire. This is a different sort of event, although

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<v Speaker 2>it's host to that one of the Yeshivas and others

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<v Speaker 2>were none of the students, even though they're organized and

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<v Speaker 2>all the parents come in and they have a whole

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<v Speaker 2>program and they list them by school. It's not like

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<v Speaker 2>a basketball game where you're in a league and JAYC

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<v Speaker 2>or Frish has a team has a school. These are

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<v Speaker 2>students from the schools, so it's not an official entry,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say, from jay Z or from the other schools.

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<v Speaker 2>So in that sense, it's a little less radical because

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<v Speaker 2>you can't really say that all these schools are giving

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<v Speaker 2>their impromator and maybe some of the schools, if their

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<v Speaker 2>kids won, they might not even advertise it. So you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say, so, why don't they shut it down? What

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<v Speaker 2>are you gonna do? You know, you're gonna make a

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<v Speaker 2>big deal about it. You're gonna tell the students they

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<v Speaker 2>can't go. Yeah, if it was a more eighty school,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. But so it's a big event, but these

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<v Speaker 2>are not official entries from the schools. Now, one of

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<v Speaker 2>you emailed me, so what do I think about it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, my son's in it. I told you last class.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not crazy about it because I think they should

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<v Speaker 2>do Jewish music. The girls singing, they have their postgame,

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<v Speaker 2>they have their whole lot of justifications. I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about that. I think the real issue is that, you know, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the singing, the Najewish music getting so into it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a culture that's really not our culture. And uh it's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's an ever ending thing. In the fifties, parents

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like the music that the kids listened to. Sports

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<v Speaker 2>is a bigger problem. The kids get all crazy about

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<v Speaker 2>these sports things. It's a never ending issue. That's the issue.

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<v Speaker 2>In the modern nor Thoughts world. The Charadim have their

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<v Speaker 2>own issues. But what are you gonna do. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not the principal. Uh. So there you go. Years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>young Israels, you used to actually have dances for the

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<v Speaker 2>young people because they wanted them to have some of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably your parents might maybe might have met that Young

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<v Speaker 2>Israel dances. I know someone who told me that his

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<v Speaker 2>parents met at a Young Israel dance. Uh. The idea

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<v Speaker 2>was that you keep them from going to the clubs

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<v Speaker 2>and meeting non Jews or irreligious Jews. So uh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's part of our history. And finally I want to

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<v Speaker 2>read you something from our friend or tomat hochmerbar lebu He.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it takes us back just one final comment about

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<v Speaker 2>the issue with the co Zenberger Rebby, and he says

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<v Speaker 2>as follows, and this would be the last thing we do.

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<v Speaker 2>While listening in class thirty five to your comparison of

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<v Speaker 2>the Kouisenberger Rebbe to Pharakhan, I never compared them, but

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<v Speaker 2>I instinctively felt that there was a difference, but couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>verbalize it. From your comment in the last class, I

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<v Speaker 2>realized that others were disturbed by it, and you were

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<v Speaker 2>aware of that, but nevertheless you still couldn't verbalize what

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It struck me later what it was. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's trying to say the difference. He goes if someone

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<v Speaker 2>teaches and preaches hatred, before condemning the person, we must

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<v Speaker 2>ask if there is a positive purpose to it and

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<v Speaker 2>if it can cause harm for anyone, And then he

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<v Speaker 2>goes on to explain that the difference is the Kousenberger

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<v Speaker 2>red was atzodig. I never said otherwise, and that the

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<v Speaker 2>reason for preaching hatred is because he wanted to separate

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<v Speaker 2>Jews from the non Jews, so Jews wouldn't look to

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<v Speaker 2>the non Jewics world and be attracted to it, and

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<v Speaker 2>nothing ever would come from it in terms of Jews

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<v Speaker 2>harming non Jews. And then he goes on to say

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't true when dealing with Pharikhan and Sharpton, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. So I accept that, after all, I never

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<v Speaker 2>compared them. All I said was that I understand why

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<v Speaker 2>in the black community, when they see certain good things

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<v Speaker 2>said by Phara, can they it's hard for them to condemn.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, we also have issues like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>never was comparing them. And you know, if they feel

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<v Speaker 2>that certain figures teach them Black pride a good message,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, I wish they'd condemn them. But I'm saying

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<v Speaker 2>I understand why it's harder. Perhaps, of course I'll repeat

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<v Speaker 2>what I said. It's a terrybook enough to hatred and

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<v Speaker 2>you can get the same message otherwise. But I understand

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<v Speaker 2>and and and then he goes on to say that Sharpton,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he encouraged the Crown Heights riots and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Believe me, I know well about the Crown Heights riots.

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<v Speaker 2>If anyone wants to read about them, you can read

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<v Speaker 2>this book, the only book written about it, by Edward Shapiro,

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<v Speaker 2>know when you can make in comparison. And it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean that any of these rabbis are the equivalent of

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<v Speaker 2>those maneuvolume. It's just that I was trying to set this,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes that we feel loyalty to people. Even your local

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not so simple. Everyone says, condemn condemned. Life

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<v Speaker 2>is more complicated. Okay, everyone, let us pick up. We're

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<v Speaker 2>We spoke of some interesting things last class. It's funny

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<v Speaker 2>number one ninety nine, he also deals with this idea

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<v Speaker 2>But then we have to think, well, actually it's a mumone.

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<v Speaker 2>stay with us. Maybe maybe that's a reason or not.

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<v Speaker 2>canessas Nola. They say Gudolin Vetovimi. Men who you know

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<v Speaker 2>not that people anyone believed God had a physical form,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's say in the sixteenth century, seventeenth or eighteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>But strangely enough, from our perspective, you have people who

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<v Speaker 2>So here's a safer. It's called Oh, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>Tour Augsburg fifteen forty. Look at the bottom of the safer. Here.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look on the left side, that is that's God,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the creation of the world. And you look

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<v Speaker 2>on the right side, that is God creating Adam and Eve.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is a non Jewish image. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>for the simple reason is that the Jews. Jews read

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Then comes creation of Adam and Eve. No Jewish Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>artists whatever do left to right, they do right to left.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is a Jewish publisher and they chose to

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<v Speaker 2>use this on the title page. Here's another book sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety eight. Here binga mean this title page has been

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<v Speaker 2>to see here it is. It's it's Jacob's dreams, supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be an ancient, ancient Canaan Kanan, but in the

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<v Speaker 2>background it looks more like seventeenth century Germany. But here

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<v Speaker 2>you have the angel on the ladder. Remember the angels

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<v Speaker 2>are coming, going up and coming down, and lookas at

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<v Speaker 2>the top of the ladder none other than God. And

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<v Speaker 2>if there's another example, I give in my book. But

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<v Speaker 2>you something from Amsterdam. This is in the Jewish cemetery

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<v Speaker 2>in Amsterdam, one of the Jewish cemeteries. And what you

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<v Speaker 2>His name was Samuel. So the image on the Schmuel,

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<v Speaker 2>the image on the tombstone is God. Remember when God

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<v Speaker 2>just pictures. I don't know if they're actually us, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>But this should be us, sir, it's a graven image

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<v Speaker 2>of God, unless maybe you assume that it's only if

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<v Speaker 2>you think God has an image, you can't make an

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<v Speaker 2>image of them. But this is in the cemetery in

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<v Speaker 2>Amsterdam that does. They have this image here, very very strange.

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<v Speaker 2>So we do have examples. We have a Katubas and

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<v Speaker 2>which the rumbump would be outraged by.

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<v Speaker 4>This.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the last thing we were doing, I introduced you

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<v Speaker 2>to this idea of e kharim. Principle of principles of faith?

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<v Speaker 2>Can they be decided by major rule? Can you change

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<v Speaker 2>your mind? Can principles of faith change? Let me show

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<v Speaker 2>you something else here, something which the rombomb would never

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<v Speaker 2>a bad book. Actually it's called you tesk a slave

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<v Speaker 2>before the time of the rombamb it was not cathedra,

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<v Speaker 2>it was not heresy to think that God had a form.

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<v Speaker 2>Low kamla Achras, who's mazo? He steered after he says, no,

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<v Speaker 2>not anymore and after it was explained by the Rambum

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<v Speaker 2>and others that God doesn't, then it's then it's heresy.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he goes on to say, just like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>and all sorts of great stages were sent to gehet them,

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<v Speaker 2>and when the Rivad came and said that godoli Vetovian

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<v Speaker 2>gates than the doors of heaven of hell were opened,

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<v Speaker 2>and the uh no, no, actually he says. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he says the Sadinkan were in heaven were removed from heaven,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were pushed back in again. But uh, that

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<v Speaker 2>this is not the ram Bum's conception and as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>for the rum bomb, dog was eternal. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>rom Bam is they they give examples from tonight Ramaram

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<v Speaker 2>Wu disagree with him. And if you find it, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>That means that the Rombum's incorrect. They don't say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>And I spoke about the rs isiaf Troni that he

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<v Speaker 2>of where they do decide dogma in a fashion which

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<v Speaker 2>I think would have been incomprehensible to the medievals. The

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<v Speaker 2>most famous examples were Moha Sofa, the Hustom sofa. He

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<v Speaker 2>you have paraphelic. There's a Rabbi Hilo. Now don't be confused.

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<v Speaker 2>There is Hillo with SHAMAI and then there's a Rabbi Hilo.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know who this Rabbi hill was, if he's

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<v Speaker 2>a mora. Others think he's a tana. The early stages,

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<v Speaker 2>we say God old me raban Shimo. They didn't need

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<v Speaker 2>the titles. The most Urbain knows of the title. So

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<v Speaker 2>hill and Sham I don't need a title. Rabbi Hillo

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<v Speaker 2>is someone else. No titles are interesting, I think Toronto.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they're big beane Akiva people. We never grow

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<v Speaker 2>But I like bin Akiva. I send my kids there

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<v Speaker 2>even though I have a growing up. But there's something

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<v Speaker 2>which really has always bothered me. They call themselves Beniya Kiva.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's a kiva? Kiva's and amarritz Kive us a nobody,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not an exemplar. Then he goes away to Yeshiva

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<v Speaker 2>and he comes back after many years and he's Rabbi Akiva.

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<v Speaker 2>We look to Rabbi Akiva. It should be been a

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<v Speaker 2>Rabbi Akiva. We don't want to be ben a Akiva Kiva,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, was we don't want to be. The

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<v Speaker 2>whole story is to show you that Akiva before he

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<v Speaker 2>uh so, uh why they call up in a akiva?

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<v Speaker 2>Said a rabbi Akiva. I've always had a problem with that.

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<v Speaker 2>But Robbie Hillo in the Kamara says an amazing statement,

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<v Speaker 2>there is no Mashiah for for Jews because all the

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<v Speaker 2>promises we're all using Jaesus with Skio. So here you

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<v Speaker 2>have one of the m Rhyme or maybe Atana saying

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<v Speaker 2>there's no mashia and he's criticized. There another Amoa or

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<v Speaker 2>Atana says to him, you know, gotcha forgive you for

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<v Speaker 2>saying it. But he says it, and he's given the

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<v Speaker 2>title and he's not thrown out or anything at least

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<v Speaker 2>it seems uh according to so then how how can

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<v Speaker 2>you say that, uh, this is a heredic? How could

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<v Speaker 2>he have this position? Well, the this is already discussed

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<v Speaker 2>by Radiose Falbo, Ravelce Falbo and the Sefrey car and

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<v Speaker 2>discussed Verhilla's position. Look, if is a dogma, how can

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<v Speaker 2>Rabbi Hillell say this and go against the dogma inards?

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't say that it used to be not a dogma,

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<v Speaker 2>now it is. He gives two uh explanations. First, revios

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<v Speaker 2>Albo says, it's not a principle of faith. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>true idea, but it's not an e car. That if

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<v Speaker 2>you deny it your heretic. Then he gives another reason,

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<v Speaker 2>which we've heard already. He says that it is an

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<v Speaker 2>e car. But if you make a mistake unintentionally based

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<v Speaker 2>upon your authentic reading of Torah, you're not regarded as

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<v Speaker 2>a heretic. So Rabbi Hillo, according to the second reading,

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<v Speaker 2>what he said is heresy, but he's not a heretic

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<v Speaker 2>because it's unintentional. And we already saw that. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>major idea. In revioce Albo that this idea of unintentional heresy.

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<v Speaker 2>But Hustom Sulver is completely different approach. He says that

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<v Speaker 2>no known here doesn't accept either of those approaches. He

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<v Speaker 2>says that off Hillo advanced his opinion before the matter

413
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<v Speaker 2>was decided. Hellically, in the days of a Hillo, you

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<v Speaker 2>could adopt both positions. Later, however, the decision ruling was made.

415
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<v Speaker 2>It's not clear when this is, but I guess by

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<v Speaker 2>the time of the Amraic period that machiach is a

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<v Speaker 2>dogma and therefore to subsequently believe it is heretical, and

418
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<v Speaker 2>it is a dogma, but it wasn't yet a dogma

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<v Speaker 2>in the days of a Hillo, and therefore of Hillo

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<v Speaker 2>was permitted to have this approach. This is the exact

421
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<v Speaker 2>opposite of what I said the rumbums approaches. And the

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<v Speaker 2>hustom Soffer compares this to the Talmud speaks about how

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<v Speaker 2>in certain areas you could do one thing on shoppas

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<v Speaker 2>you couldn't do another area. Or for example, I can

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<v Speaker 2>give my own example. He doesn't mention this, but in

426
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<v Speaker 2>the days of the Tanaim you could eat in certain

427
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<v Speaker 2>places you could eat let's say, chicken and milk. It

428
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<v Speaker 2>hadn't yet been formulated as an absolute rule binding everyone. Uh.

429
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<v Speaker 2>And that's what the Hussm Solfur says that until the

430
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<v Speaker 2>binding decision, the dogmas were flexible and you could adopt

431
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<v Speaker 2>different opinions. But once there was an authoritative ruling, then

432
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<v Speaker 2>it became there's everyone must fall in line. Now, such

433
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<v Speaker 2>a position is not concerned with eternal truths. It assumes

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<v Speaker 2>that the rabbis determine what the obligatory beliefs are. And

435
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<v Speaker 2>I already mentioned some of the problems with this. That

436
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<v Speaker 2>that means that yesterday it could be a dogma, and

437
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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow you could have a different dogma. Of course, the

438
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<v Speaker 2>hustom Sulfur makes it like any other Horoic dispute, but

439
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<v Speaker 2>it's it's different in the sense thattes are about practice.

440
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<v Speaker 2>The example is the hustom Solfur brings how there was

441
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<v Speaker 2>a dispute and now there's no dispute. You can still

442
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<v Speaker 2>think that you're right. You just have to follow the

443
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<v Speaker 2>majority of the sages in practice. But here we're speaking

444
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<v Speaker 2>about it just a matter of thought. So if you

445
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<v Speaker 2>if a Hillo used used to think that machiach there's

446
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<v Speaker 2>no machia, and now they say, well, you have to

447
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<v Speaker 2>believe otherwise, then you're it's really not parallel to La

448
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<v Speaker 2>because you're telling you you can't even think he's correct,

449
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<v Speaker 2>and it does create difficulties. The rombum i can't imagine

450
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<v Speaker 2>a ram I'm ever agreeing with this, Well, he doesn't.

451
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<v Speaker 2>The Rombam says explicitly that when something's been demonstrated, doesn't

452
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<v Speaker 2>matter how many people, if you look can guide to fifteen,

453
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<v Speaker 2>how many people you know come to agree with you,

454
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<v Speaker 2>And he says it's correctness will not be weakened if

455
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<v Speaker 2>everyone disagreed. That's what the Rombum says. He says, if

456
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<v Speaker 2>you have the truth, the fact that everyone disagrees won't

457
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<v Speaker 2>change that. In fact, that's the whole idea of mysel

458
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<v Speaker 2>As Rayos. If you have the truth, even if the

459
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<v Speaker 2>sun Hedron says something, if the sen Hendron's wrong, the

460
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<v Speaker 2>sun Heedron's wrong. Also the custom Choffer's position would uh

461
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<v Speaker 2>would put you in a situation that you can be

462
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<v Speaker 2>obliged to believe something that's not true, because if the

463
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<v Speaker 2>majority of the stage is, for example, were to decide

464
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<v Speaker 2>that got in a physical form, you're supposed to assume

465
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<v Speaker 2>that it's We understand that in Halaha you have to

466
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<v Speaker 2>listen to the sages, but no one assumes that that's

467
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<v Speaker 2>true necessarily with a capital T. That's the lesson of

468
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<v Speaker 2>the Oven of Nachnei story. If you remember the Oven

469
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<v Speaker 2>of Achnai story, which God himself calls out as it were,

470
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<v Speaker 2>that that rebby Lazer's right and Rebiashua says Veba shamayam

471
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<v Speaker 2>he and the idea is that Ramusha finds to take

472
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<v Speaker 2>ok Degrasmosha in the introduction he explains, is that we

473
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<v Speaker 2>try to the best of our ability to find out

474
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<v Speaker 2>what the halaha is. But the tour has been given

475
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<v Speaker 2>to humans to come up with the solutions. It could

476
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<v Speaker 2>be caught by shamayah. This isn't what the original intent is.

477
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<v Speaker 2>But that's what Kutisborach who wants us to do to

478
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<v Speaker 2>it's given to us. We don't have a pope who

479
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<v Speaker 2>uh you know, if we have a prophet who gets

480
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<v Speaker 2>a message. The Rambam says, if prophet comes to you

481
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<v Speaker 2>and says the lahas as follows, because I got a prophecy,

482
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<v Speaker 2>we don't pay attention, So it's a it's the Hustomer

483
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<v Speaker 2>Suffers's position is not really in line uh with the

484
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<v Speaker 2>Rambamb position. That's what I would say. There are earlier sources, however,

485
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<v Speaker 2>that agree with the husbinsoft For on non dogmatic matter issues.

486
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<v Speaker 2>I said this in my article that is on just

487
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<v Speaker 2>general ideological logical issues deciding one way or another, because

488
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<v Speaker 2>but then you're not dealing with dogma. You're just dealing

489
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<v Speaker 2>with basically how you should instruct people to live, how

490
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<v Speaker 2>you instruct people to believe things like that, But it's

491
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<v Speaker 2>not dogma. But the Husban Softfer's position has become quite

492
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<v Speaker 2>popular and it gets to the old question is there

493
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<v Speaker 2>a suck in matters and non a locked matters? And

494
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<v Speaker 2>the more you move to the right, the more you

495
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<v Speaker 2>find people who want to have all sorts of suck

496
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<v Speaker 2>teing on all sorts of areas. And yet you will

497
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<v Speaker 2>find out you find again and again people also on

498
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<v Speaker 2>the right wing will say things like costa show and

499
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<v Speaker 2>to say that this is not true, you can't be

500
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<v Speaker 2>accepted because the rabba meld it. For example, Rabbis has

501
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<v Speaker 2>a piece about divine providence the rambam and not just

502
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<v Speaker 2>the rhmbam. Many of every shown him, hell, there's no

503
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<v Speaker 2>divine providence on let's say, animals. It's just like a

504
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:12.359
<v Speaker 2>general providence, not individual providence. That's a rama's position. But

505
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<v Speaker 2>the Baal Shamptov held otherwise, and many people say that

506
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<v Speaker 2>today you have to believe that there's divine providence on everything.

507
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<v Speaker 2>And so Mazus has a piece where he says, well,

508
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<v Speaker 2>how can you say that the rambamba disagrees, you can't

509
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<v Speaker 2>throw the ramam out, to which I guess you could reply,

510
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<v Speaker 2>who says you can't throw the rambam out? If the

511
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<v Speaker 2>majority of the sages today say that we have a

512
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<v Speaker 2>different opinion, then you can throw the Rambam out. But

513
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<v Speaker 2>if you look at people like grab Mazous or Fisher,

514
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<v Speaker 2>all the people deal with Makshova. They assume that some

515
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<v Speaker 2>people the Rmbam d Ramban, they're so great that by definition,

516
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<v Speaker 2>if the Ramban says something, if the Rumbam says something,

517
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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter. You can have all the sages in

518
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<v Speaker 2>the world today saying otherwise, we can't get rid of

519
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>the rhmbamb. The Rahmbam by definition, his views remain valid.

520
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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't mean they're correct views. That doesn't mean that

521
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<v Speaker 2>we should teach these views. But if anyone holds them,

522
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<v Speaker 2>is the views, you can't say that he's a heretic

523
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<v Speaker 2>or out of the fold for holding it.

524
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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

525
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<v Speaker 2>That's seems to me that so who gets that who

526
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<v Speaker 2>gets put on that pedestal, Not the raw Bog, the Rambamb,

527
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<v Speaker 2>the Ramban, the major major figures. But I see that

528
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<v Speaker 2>according to the Hosmo sofa in theory, at least you

529
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<v Speaker 2>should be able to push the rom bomb out also

530
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<v Speaker 2>if the majority. Okay, very good hot Com Simon game on.

531
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<v Speaker 2>Now we're on Simon Kola mcdalod. We're on to eighty nine,

532
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<v Speaker 2>So we have about eighty pages left and now we're

533
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<v Speaker 2>going into the letters. We have a bunch of letters

534
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<v Speaker 2>to Rabbi Mazous and then we hit some new figures.

535
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<v Speaker 2>Let's show you a couple other things about Rabbi Mazou's

536
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<v Speaker 2>let's see get rid of this. I where is it here? Okay?

537
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<v Speaker 2>So I'm mention the other day his uh when he

538
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<v Speaker 2>starts to share, which they do now in his house

539
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:09.640
<v Speaker 2>they play Arabic music, but it wasn't shown. I saw

540
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<v Speaker 2>on the uh. The sound was an audien to see

541
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<v Speaker 2>the screen. So this if you're looking for a community

542
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.759
<v Speaker 2>that still tries to observe their old Tunisian ways. So

543
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<v Speaker 2>this is the sort of music we play for you.

544
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<v Speaker 2>There's a whole tradition of Arabic music peo team with

545
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<v Speaker 2>the Arabic tunes. Now the Yeshiva there on Mazou's runs

546
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<v Speaker 2>is called kise Rachamme, which if you can't count all

547
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<v Speaker 2>the branches would be the largest Sparti Yeshiva probably five

548
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<v Speaker 2>or six branches. And they have every year peo team,

549
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<v Speaker 2>that is, if you have every every year, they have

550
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<v Speaker 2>a big thing called a hilula in memory of his

551
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<v Speaker 2>father who was killed r Mazus and Tunis in nineteen

552
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<v Speaker 2>seventy one, I believe by a Palestinian tears. And it's

553
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<v Speaker 2>at the huge place in Tel Aviv. They get about

554
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<v Speaker 2>seven thousand people. It's the largest event of its sort.

555
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:10.480
<v Speaker 2>This year they couldn't have it, so they had it

556
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<v Speaker 2>on zoom. You had rabbis there speaking, but they had entertainment.

557
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:18.799
<v Speaker 2>So just to give you a sense of how it's different,

558
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<v Speaker 2>and for example, a regular ashkenazak Alradioeshiva, I'm going to

559
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<v Speaker 2>show you a few things they said. By the way,

560
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<v Speaker 2>there were hundreds of thousands of people watching it. Perhaps

561
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<v Speaker 2>for what I'll show you what I won't show you,

562
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<v Speaker 2>but i'll tell you because they removed something from the video.

563
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<v Speaker 2>But just here, just to give you an example of

564
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<v Speaker 2>just to show you a couple of things which I

565
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<v Speaker 2>think are interesting. As I said, because you want to

566
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.680
<v Speaker 2>see it in the Ashkenazic world, so you could well,

567
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:42.480
<v Speaker 2>first you have to watch it on the internet. But

568
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.799
<v Speaker 2>so here was the evil. It was the last month,

569
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:13.400
<v Speaker 2>as you do. So the video, if you watch it

570
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<v Speaker 2>for the two hours, it's de ray tora, it's speeches

571
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:20.319
<v Speaker 2>and it's music. What is amazing to me, and I'm

572
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:22.599
<v Speaker 2>very upset. And this is maybe why it had one

573
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<v Speaker 2>hundreds and thousand people. Is that in the original video,

574
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<v Speaker 2>which I watched the day after was put up, I'm

575
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:30.839
<v Speaker 2>watching it and all of a sudden, I hear a

576
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 2>singer that I've never heard of, and he's not singing

577
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:36.680
<v Speaker 2>traditional music like this. He's singing like modern music with

578
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:40.759
<v Speaker 2>like good messages though, And I was shocked, and I

579
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:42.880
<v Speaker 2>looked him up and it's this guy. I don't know

580
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:46.960
<v Speaker 2>if any of you know him, Yishairibo. Apparently he's very popular.

581
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know him. You can listen to his music.

582
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 2>He was singing, and for Di Yeshiva to have a

583
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.039
<v Speaker 2>person like that singing, I found very unusual. But they

584
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:01.079
<v Speaker 2>took it out. I guess people complain that, but they

585
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:03.680
<v Speaker 2>they they took it out. Now, if you continue in

586
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<v Speaker 2>the i hula it, I'll show you two other things

587
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:13.160
<v Speaker 2>that you'll never see at an Ashkenak Yeshiva annual dinner.

588
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:17.319
<v Speaker 2>So for example, here this you will never ever see

589
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:19.680
<v Speaker 2>what I'm gonna show you now in Israel.

590
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:39.480
<v Speaker 3>And you know, become a missiles.

591
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<v Speaker 2>So the idea that you would have, uh, you know,

592
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<v Speaker 2>someone like Natanyahu, a non Orthodox figure speaking to Iseshiva dinner.

593
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<v Speaker 2>Already you see the difference in this Fardiman Ashai that

594
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<v Speaker 2>they have more of a connection to the state than

595
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>you would have. And especially to listen to what Rabbi Mazous.

596
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.960
<v Speaker 2>You might not like Mazou says because nothing who's in

597
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.559
<v Speaker 2>big trouble now, but those who know Hebrew can hear

598
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.239
<v Speaker 2>what he says. You never would have Anshanza gros Shiva

599
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 2>speak this way. I don't even know if Natan was

600
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>wearing a keepa here, it doesn't look like it. Uh,

601
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:19.079
<v Speaker 2>he speaks for a few minutes. Listen to Rebe Mazou's.

602
00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:38.639
<v Speaker 4>Espec is halfway, alcohol is umb.

603
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<v Speaker 2>What he said for those that are saying is that

604
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 2>those uh that nothing else should go up and those

605
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 2>who are opposing him they should go down. So already

606
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.320
<v Speaker 2>you see a difference. Uh this far team are much

607
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:58.840
<v Speaker 2>more connected to the the the the state you know

608
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.119
<v Speaker 2>is Fardic family. He's always have people who go to

609
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the army. It's a very different approach, even though they

610
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<v Speaker 2>dress in black. Just how you dress doesn't mean, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a Radi like we think of. Hey, if you

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<v Speaker 2>go into the yu based measures. Today you have lots

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<v Speaker 2>of people in black suits and black hats, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>all they all support the state of Israel and things.

615
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<v Speaker 2>So this is important, if not this class, next class

616
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<v Speaker 2>when we get into Rebamazoo's a very important political letter.

617
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<v Speaker 2>But let's get to the letters here. Simon ku lahmaed

618
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<v Speaker 2>Dalwit his letter to me, we deal more with for

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle m Roth. I've shown that we've spoken about Rom

620
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<v Speaker 2>Michel and Roth. I don't want to get it into

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<v Speaker 2>more details. Here's a let me show you a picture

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<v Speaker 2>of ver michelam Roth. You can read about him. When

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<v Speaker 2>Ramor Shapiro started issue as lame l Blin, he asked

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<v Speaker 2>Ramyor Rev Michelle and Roth to uh prepare a curriculum,

625
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<v Speaker 2>which I never followed because there was a much broader

626
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<v Speaker 2>curriculum than in traditional Yeshivo. He suffered, Actually he lost.

627
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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a city of chernovits. He well,

628
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<v Speaker 2>he did not get the rabbinic position because he refused

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<v Speaker 2>to uh give up his Mizrachi allegiances. Sometimes they ask you,

630
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<v Speaker 2>for example, I Noah of Sternbach was given the dadis.

631
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<v Speaker 2>He had to make sure that his it was his

632
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<v Speaker 2>granddaughters won't go to Besakov anymore. But the Rev. Michilam

633
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<v Speaker 2>refused to do that. But the letter focuses on something else, really,

634
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<v Speaker 2>and that's I I raised a question, and in his

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<v Speaker 2>response h Rabbi Mazouz mentions something that writ Va I

636
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<v Speaker 2>mentioned that we spoke about this already there. Of michelam

637
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<v Speaker 2>Roth doesn't think that the rit Va would really criticize

638
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<v Speaker 2>the Rombam so harshly and call his views, you know,

639
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<v Speaker 2>approaching heresy. But in the Ritva wrote a book called

640
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<v Speaker 2>the safers he Karn, which is defense of the Rambamb

641
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<v Speaker 2>on the Romba from the Romban's criticism, and there were

642
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<v Speaker 2>but for some reason, Ramazous says he doesn't understand how

643
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<v Speaker 2>this happens. At one place in this book, the Ritva

644
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<v Speaker 2>harshly criticizes the Rambam, and what's the criticism the Rambam?

645
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<v Speaker 2>In the Martin Vuhim says that the reason Lushiana kodash

646
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<v Speaker 2>is called Hebrews called Lushiana kodesh is because there are

647
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<v Speaker 2>no words for the sexual act and no words for

648
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<v Speaker 2>sexual organs and uh, and the Ritva doesn't like this

649
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<v Speaker 2>at all. What rama Zeus says, he says, I remember now.

650
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<v Speaker 2>He says that this he calls this view that of

651
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<v Speaker 2>the Rambama. I just mentioned yesh boshemet's me not that

652
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<v Speaker 2>it has like a taint of heresy. And then he says,

653
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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know what me notes is here and

654
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<v Speaker 2>the Ramban incidentally, he disagrees. The Ramban has a different

655
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<v Speaker 2>reason that Ramban says it's called Rushia Kodash because the

656
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<v Speaker 2>Torah was given in it uh and he says that

657
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<v Speaker 2>Ramban quotes this view of the Rambam. He disagrees. He

658
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't say it's me newt. As I point out in

659
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<v Speaker 2>the notes there, Ramazou's memory was incorrect. Although the the

660
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<v Speaker 2>right ritva is critical of the Ramo Zoo, He says lily,

661
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<v Speaker 2>he says, God forbid that I should follow this view,

662
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<v Speaker 2>and that God should Yaha perlo should. He speaks very

663
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<v Speaker 2>strongly against the Rambam. But the word shechemitz me no,

664
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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't appear here. It appears in a book called

665
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<v Speaker 2>the Garrata Kodash. If you look in the Kiss Rumban.

666
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<v Speaker 2>This is a work that was attributed to Rumband the

667
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<v Speaker 2>Igirisa codish is called the Holy Letter. It wasn't written

668
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<v Speaker 2>by the Rumban. We think it was written by Joe Chikatila.

669
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<v Speaker 2>You can see an English translation of it. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a book. See the Rambamb develops the idea that this

671
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<v Speaker 2>quote quotes Aristotle, that he says the sense of touch

672
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<v Speaker 2>is a disgrace for us. The Rambamb speaks as a

673
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<v Speaker 2>very ascetic approach. His approach and the more no vouchim

674
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<v Speaker 2>is that of course you have to have children, so

675
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<v Speaker 2>you have to have sexual relations. But the more you

676
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<v Speaker 2>can avoid this the better, and that we're really embarrassed

677
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<v Speaker 2>by this. It's a disgrace, but it's a necessary disgrace,

678
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<v Speaker 2>but it's not a positive thing. And it's a necessary

679
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<v Speaker 2>thing so that the humanity can continue. Uh So, the

680
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<v Speaker 2>Arisa codish the holy idea of the Garisakodash is that no, this,

681
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<v Speaker 2>it could be holy if it's done properly. God gave

682
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<v Speaker 2>us to us. There's nothing to be ashamed of. And

683
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<v Speaker 2>he calls this a taint of heresy, that this is

684
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<v Speaker 2>based on Greek ideas of the sense of touch. The Greeks,

685
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<v Speaker 2>they put all the focus on the spirituality versus the physicality,

686
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<v Speaker 2>and the Agarisa Kodesh sees this view of the rambamb

687
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<v Speaker 2>as a completely Greek view, totally feign to Jewish ideas.

688
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<v Speaker 2>It is far and when you think about all we

689
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<v Speaker 2>always speak about positive attitude of sexuality and everything. We

690
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<v Speaker 2>don't mention the roalm bomb and been a Rambam and others.

691
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<v Speaker 2>We have enormous asceticism and judaism that we've pushed out

692
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<v Speaker 2>as an article explaining you know, he's being realistic. He's saying, look,

693
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<v Speaker 2>we've pushed it out because it doesn't fit in with

694
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<v Speaker 2>us today. But you can find plenty of sources. Read

695
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<v Speaker 2>the kids are one day what he says, it's scary stuff.

696
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<v Speaker 2>I think growing up and seeing that. Ravoensin says that

697
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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't work with us today. So there's another tradition.

698
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<v Speaker 2>But to say it's not part of our tradition. We

699
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<v Speaker 2>have more than one tradition. But so the Agarisa Kodish, though,

700
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<v Speaker 2>is a strong affirmer of the holiness of physicality done properly.

701
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.559
<v Speaker 2>God gave it to us. It's and it shouldn't be

702
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<v Speaker 2>viewed the germ. By the way, the Gherasidim are complete ascetics.

703
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<v Speaker 2>It's I don't need to be so explicit here, but J.

704
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<v Speaker 2>Benny Brown has a whole article on this. They are

705
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<v Speaker 2>as ascetic as you can be once you have and

706
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<v Speaker 2>once and for some of them, once you have children,

707
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<v Speaker 2>complete ascetisis and the rest of your life. And don't

708
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<v Speaker 2>tell me, well, what about the katuba says that a

709
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<v Speaker 2>man has to do for his wife? Because they have

710
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<v Speaker 2>an answer to that, They say, well, she's mojo. She

711
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<v Speaker 2>she like, do we really ask her? But so there

712
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<v Speaker 2>are trends of asceticism in the Jewish tradition. Incidentally, I

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<v Speaker 2>have my own hoop on this one. If I ever

714
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<v Speaker 2>writ my reduce Tam Jays, Rebbie Hellman's heard it. This

715
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<v Speaker 2>is my one of my redution, my few reduce my terrope.

716
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<v Speaker 2>Because I really think if you ever get a clarial

717
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<v Speaker 2>you think is right, you remember it and this is

718
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<v Speaker 2>and I I thought of this only when I started

719
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<v Speaker 2>studying world religions, because you study world religions, then you

720
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<v Speaker 2>see that Islam doesn't have it. But all the other religions,

721
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<v Speaker 2>obviously Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, they all have this idea,

722
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<v Speaker 2>and other religions of asceticism of celibacy because they have

723
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<v Speaker 2>this conception that physicality you have this this binary thing

724
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<v Speaker 2>here you have the spirituality and your physicality, and we

725
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<v Speaker 2>of course want to be spiritual, so therefore we have

726
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<v Speaker 2>to remove ourselves from physicality. You can't get rid of

727
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.320
<v Speaker 2>fancy food, fancy close materialism, food out, and of course

728
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<v Speaker 2>sexual relations. So you have the whole trend to celibacy.

729
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<v Speaker 2>That explains I think though, why we have a mitzvah

730
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<v Speaker 2>prow or what do you need a mitza for? Everyone's

731
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<v Speaker 2>gonna have children anyway, because had it not been for

732
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<v Speaker 2>the Mitzvah, we too would have developed a celibate class.

733
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<v Speaker 2>We would have been just like old time Catholicism, where

734
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<v Speaker 2>they would have said that for the super Paulias, for

735
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<v Speaker 2>the special ones, then they do the there do the

736
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<v Speaker 2>celibis life because they have to get close to God.

737
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<v Speaker 2>And for the rest of us, well, we're gonna have families.

738
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<v Speaker 2>The only way to prevent this, to make sure that

739
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<v Speaker 2>even the rabbi with the big beard and that tsadi,

740
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<v Speaker 2>that he too would have a family life, is to

741
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:14.039
<v Speaker 2>make it amizvah, because if he didn't make it Amidstvah,

742
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.639
<v Speaker 2>we too, naturally would have developed what we believe to

743
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:22.280
<v Speaker 2>be this phony, false ideology, that complete celibacy. That that's

744
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:23.800
<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't have had it. So we couldn't have that

745
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.119
<v Speaker 2>because it's a mitzvah. But I have to say, if

746
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:27.960
<v Speaker 2>I want to be honest, we can't have that because

747
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:32.199
<v Speaker 2>there's aha. But we got close. If you look at

748
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.480
<v Speaker 2>the Gerasidim and you look at some others, it's not

749
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<v Speaker 2>what we tell the young people today about marriage, joining

750
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<v Speaker 2>together husband and wife, et cetera. Much Rather, we like

751
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<v Speaker 2>to look at the arisakodash because that seems much more

752
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<v Speaker 2>in line with UH than the modern message. And that's

753
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<v Speaker 2>not I don't think, that's not that's not inauthentic. I'm

754
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<v Speaker 2>not saying anything absolute. But for us, the message to

755
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<v Speaker 2>the Arisa Kodish is the only one that's works. If

756
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:03.320
<v Speaker 2>you're with the geras team, fine, it's a different message,

757
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:11.239
<v Speaker 2>and that's Simon Kufamed Dahalodamed. Hey, I don't need to

758
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<v Speaker 2>go into the details. It's Alcio corresponds to with Mazou's

759
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:18.760
<v Speaker 2>about a certain matter. But I had sent him a book.

760
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<v Speaker 2>I sent him this book, and I sent him a

761
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<v Speaker 2>number of books by Shan Lieberman. That's why you thought

762
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 2>I worked at seminary. I don't know. Maybe he didn't

763
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<v Speaker 2>think I was full time, but I don't know. If

764
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<v Speaker 2>you know this book Rambam, it's it's not a big book,

765
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.840
<v Speaker 2>but d Rambam wrote a work on the Jerusalem Tomwood,

766
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:46.440
<v Speaker 2>which is like a riff. It's a helloic work on

767
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:48.880
<v Speaker 2>the Jerusalem Tomwood. We don't have the whole thing. We

768
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<v Speaker 2>only have sections of its, small sections on Brocho. It

769
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<v Speaker 2>comes from the Ganso. If those who are interested in

770
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:03.000
<v Speaker 2>the Ganesa, there's a wonderful thing on vimeo. It's called

771
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 2>from the From Cairo to the Cloud, the World of

772
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 2>the Kiraganza, and I've been watching it. The problem is

773
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<v Speaker 2>I can't give you. He needs a password, and like

774
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<v Speaker 2>if your shull did it, then you can have a password.

775
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:16.760
<v Speaker 2>I can't give it to you, but if you can

776
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<v Speaker 2>have access to it. It's from a few years ago.

777
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<v Speaker 2>It's really really very nice, with great interviews and all

778
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.320
<v Speaker 2>about the Chiroganese. Incredible story. But they so here you

779
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<v Speaker 2>have and from the rombum's own handwriting. Mind you you

780
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.920
<v Speaker 2>have pictures of it in the back, the Rumbum's own handwriting.

781
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<v Speaker 2>So I sent it to him and he comments to

782
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<v Speaker 2>me first of all that it's great what Rashaul Lieberman

783
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<v Speaker 2>did to put this together. And then he calls attention

784
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<v Speaker 2>to the fact that in the back there's an article

785
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<v Speaker 2>by Moshe Letzsky. Mosha Ltzky was an expert in handwriting,

786
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<v Speaker 2>and he wrote about the Rumbums handwriting, a long page

787
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<v Speaker 2>of the RUMs handwriting, and in his discussion Ramazous mentions

788
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<v Speaker 2>this because this is relative. Ramazous, this is in a

789
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.280
<v Speaker 2>big dispute with Professor Havlin at Bari Laude. There's a

790
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:07.599
<v Speaker 2>safe for Torah which has a colophon on it, and

791
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<v Speaker 2>afterwards that says it's written by the Ron, not in

792
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<v Speaker 2>the safe for to itself, I think connected to it.

793
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<v Speaker 2>It's written by the Ron Ormiss him of Jerona, and

794
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<v Speaker 2>he believes it's as thinks it's authentic, and Professor Havlin

795
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<v Speaker 2>thinks it's it's phony. That is that the Dron didn't

796
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<v Speaker 2>write it. That is a few hundred years after the run,

797
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.679
<v Speaker 2>and it's written in the I think it's the calophone

798
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<v Speaker 2>and a certain script. Whatever it is, it's they argue

799
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<v Speaker 2>about that. Now what Ski mentions that the Rambam wrote

800
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<v Speaker 2>in three type of scripts. First of all, he says

801
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<v Speaker 2>that families had scripts. Father would teach a son and

802
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:46.800
<v Speaker 2>they would teach them a certain script. And if you

803
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<v Speaker 2>look at the Rahmbum script, it's it's a certain unique

804
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:51.960
<v Speaker 2>type of script, but just three scripts. You have the

805
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<v Speaker 2>this square script, like say for Torah. Everyone would write

806
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<v Speaker 2>that like in a holy book. But then you have

807
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<v Speaker 2>also private stuff when the ram was writing for himself

808
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<v Speaker 2>before he quote publishes his work. Then you have a

809
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<v Speaker 2>different script. And then you have a third script where

810
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:11.639
<v Speaker 2>you when he's writing by himself. It's what we call

811
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.599
<v Speaker 2>katav Rabani or Rashi. Rashi didn't invent this script. Rashian

812
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:20.400
<v Speaker 2>never used this, but he looks very much like in

813
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:22.199
<v Speaker 2>the Middle East they would even write like that. And

814
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:26.800
<v Speaker 2>finally there's the kava we call cursive script or melek

815
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.679
<v Speaker 2>they call it. So then he talks about the three

816
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:33.960
<v Speaker 2>types of scripts. So why do I mention this. It's

817
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:37.960
<v Speaker 2>really only a side point because a lot of people

818
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:43.159
<v Speaker 2>don't realize unless you look at I won't say medieval

819
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.000
<v Speaker 2>because you look at medieval Ashkenazac Man Hebrew, and you

820
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.320
<v Speaker 2>could read it no problem. You look at that sea scrolls,

821
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:50.280
<v Speaker 2>you can read it. The people who are with me

822
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:52.000
<v Speaker 2>in Italy where it called. I showed them on the

823
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.719
<v Speaker 2>wall something in Italy where you could read it. It's

824
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:58.599
<v Speaker 2>from medieval times, that's not a problem. But in certain

825
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:03.639
<v Speaker 2>places they developed a certain type of cursive script. Let

826
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:08.360
<v Speaker 2>me show you some examples, and it's you could see

827
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.400
<v Speaker 2>millions of examples of this, but you really you need

828
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:15.199
<v Speaker 2>to learn it's called I think it's what I think

829
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:18.239
<v Speaker 2>to bring out the solid trail. So here, for instance,

830
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.800
<v Speaker 2>is what you find in It's not Arabic script. It's

831
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:25.679
<v Speaker 2>mostly found let's say, in Turkey and others, but also

832
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Jdayo Arabic. I shouldn't say that to day Breck as well.

833
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:29.119
<v Speaker 2>So look at these letters.

834
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:30.719
<v Speaker 4>Here.

835
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I have a better page here. So you have an

836
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:35.400
<v Speaker 2>olive we know Alif f Roshi's square. That's the Olif,

837
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:40.039
<v Speaker 2>and that's the Bayse, and this is the Gimo doll

838
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:41.760
<v Speaker 2>it I guess looks a bit of it. Hey doesn't

839
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:44.840
<v Speaker 2>look anything like it. So when you see these type

840
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:48.159
<v Speaker 2>of when you see manuscripts, I have to say that

841
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:51.119
<v Speaker 2>I've published a number of things for manuscript When I'm

842
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:52.920
<v Speaker 2>looking like i'd go to JTS and I looked at

843
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:56.920
<v Speaker 2>the manuscripts. Since even you'd see nineteenth century stuff like that,

844
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.360
<v Speaker 2>I immediately would say, nope, skip onto something else, because

845
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.280
<v Speaker 2>it's too difficult unless you I didn't grow up with it.

846
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.559
<v Speaker 2>I have a nice little book here published by Rabbi

847
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Mazuza's Yeshiva, which is it's called combos Azaha. It's it's

848
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:15.039
<v Speaker 2>a workbook to teach you the script, and you can

849
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:18.960
<v Speaker 2>do all the exercises to learn how to to write

850
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:24.760
<v Speaker 2>and read this script. But since I'm not using manuscripts

851
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:26.480
<v Speaker 2>written in that script. But have you ever see, for instance,

852
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:30.800
<v Speaker 2>the manuscript of the City Rehmed or loads and loads

853
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:34.000
<v Speaker 2>on the front of this booklet here it has examples

854
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:39.159
<v Speaker 2>from the Rita and all these others and all the

855
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Swarda kadoli and listen. I can't read any of it.

856
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.519
<v Speaker 2>I once read a bit of it because I had to.

857
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.119
<v Speaker 2>I had to go back to compare all that. I

858
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:50.480
<v Speaker 2>guess if I practiced enough, i'd be able to. But

859
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:56.559
<v Speaker 2>so different Hebrew scripts. I know that it's strange. Many

860
00:48:56.639 --> 00:49:00.599
<v Speaker 2>of us have seen the old old Hebrew. That's a

861
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.960
<v Speaker 2>proto Hebrew which they wrote in the days of Razali,

862
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.920
<v Speaker 2>which doesn't look like ours, but it's the same language.

863
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:10.840
<v Speaker 2>It's just a different script. That's all you can. You

864
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 2>can say olive can look like anything, Bass can look

865
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.800
<v Speaker 2>like anything. There's no tarashaba peh that in the cursive

866
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.119
<v Speaker 2>script that the bays has to look a certain way. So,

867
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.599
<v Speaker 2>as I said, we know that Rambam wrote in three

868
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:31.159
<v Speaker 2>different scripts. The next letter is KUKAMTVOV, page two ninety one.

869
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:32.320
<v Speaker 4>And this is a.

870
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Short letter. I a few years back, there was a

871
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:44.840
<v Speaker 2>there was the great translators. You have the Ibin ti

872
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Bone family, schmool Ibin ti Bone in France, but his

873
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:54.440
<v Speaker 2>father in Provence, I should say his father is judah

874
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Ibin Tibon. They come from France. They come from Spain

875
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:01.599
<v Speaker 2>and then make their way over to to uh northern

876
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:07.280
<v Speaker 2>to southern France. We we saw hold on, let me

877
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:15.800
<v Speaker 2>see it, I believe for the people who were with us. Yeah, yeah, okay,

878
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:17.440
<v Speaker 2>I got it here. I'm gonna put it up for you.

879
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:20.639
<v Speaker 2>This will bring back some memories. I think it just

880
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:23.239
<v Speaker 2>occurred to me those who came with me to Spain.

881
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember in Granada I took you with the

882
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:31.000
<v Speaker 2>statue of judah Ibit Tibon and the father of translators. There,

883
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:33.360
<v Speaker 2>that's the statue. It's it's it's it's right by the

884
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:35.920
<v Speaker 2>hotel we stay at, and I don't think the average

885
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.159
<v Speaker 2>person knows what it is. But there's a statue in

886
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Granada of Umi Bau of Judah Ibn Ti Bone because Uh,

887
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.360
<v Speaker 2>that's that's where he came from. He came from uh

888
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Uh Granada, but then he moved went to uh to

889
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:56.000
<v Speaker 2>France southern province. So they are the great translators. And

890
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:59.000
<v Speaker 2>we know Yuda Inindi Bone did translations bon alsocial. The

891
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:03.440
<v Speaker 2>famous one, obviously is the Rambum the Manavuchin. The Rambam

892
00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:06.719
<v Speaker 2>says about schmull Ivan ty Bone that he understands my

893
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:10.440
<v Speaker 2>secrets more than anyone else. And it's a pretty significant

894
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:13.320
<v Speaker 2>statement because schmull Iman ty Bone was what we call

895
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:16.239
<v Speaker 2>a radical interpreter of the Mournevuchi. He was not a

896
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:19.960
<v Speaker 2>traditional he was a radical interpreter. And Rabik Kafech doesn't

897
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 2>like Ibn t Bone's translation. So you could ask, well,

898
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:25.480
<v Speaker 2>how could rak not like iban Ti Bone's translation? The

899
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:28.440
<v Speaker 2>rambamiself testified to it. Well, Rakavick says he didn't really

900
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:31.400
<v Speaker 2>testify to it. The iban t Bone sent him a

901
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.000
<v Speaker 2>few passages and the Rama said, oh, very nice. That

902
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:38.159
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean he and then says from kamics per sective

903
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Ebin t Bone's not a Haraic scholar. So therefore the

904
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:46.199
<v Speaker 2>things he misunderstands in the Rambum, I think most scholars

905
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:49.320
<v Speaker 2>these are experts in the Arabic. Think that Rebei kafech

906
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.639
<v Speaker 2>has U stretched this too much, that Ibn t Bone's

907
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:56.360
<v Speaker 2>translation is is uh is very good. In fact, Ibin

908
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:59.719
<v Speaker 2>t Bone created certain terms and Hebrew words he brought

909
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.119
<v Speaker 2>into the Hebrew language because he needed to translate it. Now,

910
00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:07.639
<v Speaker 2>his father wrote an ethical will for him. An ethical

911
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:09.920
<v Speaker 2>will is something people write towards the end of their lives,

912
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:11.880
<v Speaker 2>not a we have wills where you give money and

913
00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:15.480
<v Speaker 2>ethical wills where you're you're giving your guidance for your family.

914
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Israel Abraham's translated many of these, and the title of

915
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the book is called Jewish Ethical Wills, and you can

916
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:26.519
<v Speaker 2>read all these, all these ethical wills, even the Rambum.

917
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:28.880
<v Speaker 2>They say he has an ethical will. But we know

918
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.239
<v Speaker 2>this is not real. It's not authentic. It's uh at wish.

919
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:33.920
<v Speaker 2>We think it it's not authentic. But what I wrote

920
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:36.880
<v Speaker 2>to around Mazous is that in the ethical will it's

921
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:39.599
<v Speaker 2>called Arita Mussar of who they've been borne to his

922
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:43.719
<v Speaker 2>son Schmuol. He says as follows, don't be stubborn to

923
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:48.159
<v Speaker 2>hold onto your opinion even if you know you are correct.

924
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Rather give into the robbing the majority and don't dispute

925
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:57.440
<v Speaker 2>with them. So I wrote to Mazou's, who considers himself

926
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:02.679
<v Speaker 2>a follower of the Spanish tradition and can't get any

927
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:07.239
<v Speaker 2>better than these two great translators. I said, this doesn't

928
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.039
<v Speaker 2>make sense. Apparently, it saysn't a ton don't loos agree?

929
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:12.760
<v Speaker 2>You're not supposed to be afraid. If a rabbi he's afraid,

930
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:14.440
<v Speaker 2>we don't like that. He has to stand up and

931
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:17.679
<v Speaker 2>speak the truth, even if everyone's going to oppose him.

932
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:20.599
<v Speaker 2>I say, did the rombomb or a vud you're safe?

933
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Did they give give in to other people just because

934
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:27.840
<v Speaker 2>when they knew that they were correct, just because everyone's

935
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:29.679
<v Speaker 2>disagreeing with them. No, I already just told you what

936
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.920
<v Speaker 2>the Rambam said that the truth. It doesn't stop being

937
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the truth even if most of the entire world disagrees

938
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.519
<v Speaker 2>with you. So I said, well, what do you think

939
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:41.199
<v Speaker 2>about this? How could you and depone and tell his son,

940
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:43.159
<v Speaker 2>when he's trying to teach a son the proper way

941
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:48.239
<v Speaker 2>to live, that give in to others if they're the majority. No,

942
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:52.119
<v Speaker 2>I would stand up for your your rightful opinion. Otherwise

943
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:54.960
<v Speaker 2>we're going to have majority to dictainership of the majority.

944
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.239
<v Speaker 2>And he says to me Zoharah, and I said, what

945
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:04.000
<v Speaker 2>you say is correct. He greases, but he says, apparently

946
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:08.320
<v Speaker 2>at this time with schmul minity, Bon was still quite

947
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:12.079
<v Speaker 2>young and his father was worried that he would cause

948
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.599
<v Speaker 2>kin of a sinna jealousy and hatred, just like what

949
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:18.679
<v Speaker 2>happened to have Shamble Ivann Gabirol. They were, it's reported

950
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:22.039
<v Speaker 2>the Gamirol who was so amazing, what a great poet,

951
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.880
<v Speaker 2>that people were jealous of him and h people. When

952
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.320
<v Speaker 2>people are jealous, they try to destroy you. And uh

953
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:30.679
<v Speaker 2>so he said his stats. He's giving a suggestion that

954
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe his father was so worried that it would cause

955
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.920
<v Speaker 2>him trouble since he's young, that he's telling him, keep

956
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:41.280
<v Speaker 2>your mind to take to yourself. And then he says,

957
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:44.760
<v Speaker 2>even Ravad Josef in his youth, remember, I said, Ravod Joseaf,

958
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:46.800
<v Speaker 2>he stood up for the truth that he knew it.

959
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:50.320
<v Speaker 2>He didn't care the controversy. It says even Ravad Josif

960
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:56.039
<v Speaker 2>in his youth, when he in his youth, when he

961
00:54:56.679 --> 00:55:01.440
<v Speaker 2>fought against the Beni Schlai, he doesn't really completely sentence.

962
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:03.280
<v Speaker 2>He says also a vodios If in his youth when

963
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:05.519
<v Speaker 2>he argued with the Beni Schaikia, do what you need

964
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.320
<v Speaker 2>to put in there is that it created an enormous controversy.

965
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:12.079
<v Speaker 2>It did. Some people burnt were a Vadiosiv's book. Here

966
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.719
<v Speaker 2>was a young guy like in twenty in his early twenties,

967
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:17.280
<v Speaker 2>and he's going around to the various Iraqi shoals and saying,

968
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:19.400
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to listen to the Beni schlaik listen

969
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:21.320
<v Speaker 2>to these. We're in the land of Israel. The Beni

970
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:24.239
<v Speaker 2>Schlai for them was the final authority, and he was

971
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:25.920
<v Speaker 2>telling them you don't listen to them. So that created

972
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:27.800
<v Speaker 2>a big controversy. There are people who wanted to put

973
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.960
<v Speaker 2>him in hey Rem but then rem Mozou says, as follows.

974
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:35.119
<v Speaker 2>When you write a book, you have to put forth

975
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.679
<v Speaker 2>your opinion. Yes it should be says bad denwt to zero.

976
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Put it forth carefully with sensitivity, but don't cover up

977
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:44.719
<v Speaker 2>the truth. When you write a book, you have to

978
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:49.920
<v Speaker 2>be truthful. And ravad yose I guess he's saying that

979
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:51.719
<v Speaker 2>maybe you're a vadiosif I shouldn't gone to the different

980
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.800
<v Speaker 2>shoals and preached against the Beni Schlai. But when you write,

981
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:57.840
<v Speaker 2>you have to write the truth. You can't give in,

982
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:02.280
<v Speaker 2>and in over time the truth will be revealed, because

983
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:07.960
<v Speaker 2>the truth always stands. And then we get to Kuflamazion

984
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and this will be the last one we do. It's

985
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:14.679
<v Speaker 2>just a few lines. I uh Rebemazous has been subject

986
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:18.199
<v Speaker 2>to great attacks by people. I will show you next

987
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:23.480
<v Speaker 2>class what says about him. But even before that, great

988
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:27.239
<v Speaker 2>attacks because in his evening Saturday nights you are he's

989
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:32.159
<v Speaker 2>quoting Beolic. He's quoting, often to reject them, but sometimes

990
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:35.719
<v Speaker 2>just quoting their poetry. He likes to quote. He's quoted

991
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:38.199
<v Speaker 2>the Masmid. If you haven't read the Masmid of Biolic,

992
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:40.199
<v Speaker 2>it's such a wonderful thing. I mean, then Revie used

993
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:41.920
<v Speaker 2>to quote this. If you grow up in the Ashkenazic world,

994
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:44.559
<v Speaker 2>it's not so problematic. But today here Beolic, oh the

995
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:47.960
<v Speaker 2>big heretic, and he's quoting other all these sources so

996
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:52.599
<v Speaker 2>there's a whole literature against him to they even banned.

997
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:55.480
<v Speaker 2>They put his sitter under harem and here let me

998
00:56:55.559 --> 00:57:03.440
<v Speaker 2>show you. I don't know if you've seen this sitter ever,

999
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:08.239
<v Speaker 2>the Ishmatsliech sitter, very popular sitter, but they changed certain things.

1000
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:14.159
<v Speaker 2>He corrects the gersos when he thinks they're mistaken. So

1001
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:20.159
<v Speaker 2>it has oscam here from by Vosner and from other

1002
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:24.239
<v Speaker 2>people here, uh, from a Vadio safe but still in

1003
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:27.519
<v Speaker 2>this Spardic world there's there's a whole extremist element uh

1004
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:31.119
<v Speaker 2>that came out of Ashkenazkyeshiva. So they've attacked him a lot.

1005
00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:35.519
<v Speaker 2>So I uh, I sent him some stuff about Biallack,

1006
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:38.320
<v Speaker 2>because Biolock is not just all bad. When Biallck came

1007
00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:40.840
<v Speaker 2>to Israel, first of I wrote the Masmid, which is

1008
00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:43.440
<v Speaker 2>a great portrayal of the version Shiva. Second, when he

1009
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:45.880
<v Speaker 2>came to Israel, he wasn't I wouldn't call him religious,

1010
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:47.960
<v Speaker 2>but he was very much in favor of Schabas in

1011
00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:50.800
<v Speaker 2>the public sphere. And in a sense they said he

1012
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:53.239
<v Speaker 2>did a certain type of chuva. So it's not like

1013
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:57.280
<v Speaker 2>he's He's not Schernikovsky or Bertashevsky, who were complete, the

1014
00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:01.039
<v Speaker 2>atheists and heretics and all that. Biollock is much more complicated.

1015
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:03.519
<v Speaker 2>So I sent him some things. I sent him how

1016
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Reviewscoobromsky his relationship with Ballock. They had correspondents, and there's

1017
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:12.840
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of Godolin who knew I'm sure of Dovid Lifschitz.

1018
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Maybe if they'll meet him. He apparently knew Hebrew literature

1019
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:18.840
<v Speaker 2>very well, but Abromsky knew Biolic literature very well. I

1020
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:20.679
<v Speaker 2>sent him some of this stuff, and I sent him

1021
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:22.599
<v Speaker 2>about some of the history of Biallock. So he writes

1022
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:25.079
<v Speaker 2>as follows, and one with this. I think it's a

1023
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:28.000
<v Speaker 2>little naive when he writes, but he says, I read everything.

1024
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.880
<v Speaker 2>People are like this, that is like Biollic, that there

1025
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:38.400
<v Speaker 2>so is torn between Emuna and Fira. That is Biallock.

1026
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:41.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, one minute he's speaking very piously, he's calling

1027
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:44.000
<v Speaker 2>back his youth, and the next minute, you know, you

1028
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:47.000
<v Speaker 2>see stuff heretical stuff in one of his Later on,

1029
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:49.519
<v Speaker 2>we'll see in the book Ballack published something that the

1030
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Russian censor refused to print because uh, it's heretical. You know,

1031
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:57.280
<v Speaker 2>the Russian censor is saying it's heretical against God, this

1032
00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.400
<v Speaker 2>is after the big pagram. We'll get to that. But

1033
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.400
<v Speaker 2>then he said, nasee morador, you know they're there. We're

1034
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:06.079
<v Speaker 2>gonna are we supposed to turn people at Biallak who's safe?

1035
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Tim Are we now supposed to start looking to him

1036
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:11.119
<v Speaker 2>as a guidance. So Rebazus will quote him if he

1037
00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:13.280
<v Speaker 2>has a good line or a good thing, but not

1038
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:15.000
<v Speaker 2>that he can be a leader. But then he says,

1039
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:21.639
<v Speaker 2>caval shalohayahgunda the goner vomans like going cook. He says,

1040
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:24.719
<v Speaker 2>it's unfortunate that at the beginning of the days of

1041
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:28.159
<v Speaker 2>the hoscal Uh we didn't have people like Ravadio Safe

1042
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:32.360
<v Speaker 2>and of Cook, because then everything would have turned out okay.

1043
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:34.960
<v Speaker 2>There wouldn't have been a split in a nation because

1044
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:36.960
<v Speaker 2>they would have been able to keep the people in

1045
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:39.639
<v Speaker 2>the fold with their ideas. Okay, now that this is

1046
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:43.639
<v Speaker 2>quite naigi. First of all, there's no question Ravadio Safe

1047
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:46.159
<v Speaker 2>has done enormous things. He brought He created a toros

1048
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:48.239
<v Speaker 2>society in Stardic world. If you go back to the

1049
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:51.239
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifties and sixties, there's like one yeshiva. He didn't

1050
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.719
<v Speaker 2>have anything as farta tourist society. It's all from him,

1051
00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:57.719
<v Speaker 2>and he created many many balichuva. But to say that

1052
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the European hoscal these are secular, educated people. These are

1053
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:05.039
<v Speaker 2>people who want entree into Europe. The idea that Revad

1054
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Josefe would be he doesn't there's no language, he doesn't

1055
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:11.320
<v Speaker 2>speak their language, So that wouldn't have worked. Riff Cook,

1056
01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:14.079
<v Speaker 2>It's more interesting because Cook Cook, I don't think any

1057
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:16.840
<v Speaker 2>one individual. With the rise of modernity, you're gonna have

1058
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:19.199
<v Speaker 2>people who attracted the new ideas and they're gonna leave.

1059
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:21.079
<v Speaker 2>But we know that there were great figures. If you

1060
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:23.920
<v Speaker 2>look in Germany shimpshar uff Al Hirsch when he comes

1061
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:26.559
<v Speaker 2>on the scene, there is very little attrition among the

1062
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Orthodox world, and it's precisely due to him and his philosophy.

1063
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:32.880
<v Speaker 2>If you look at eighteen hundred, the Orthodox dominate all

1064
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:36.159
<v Speaker 2>the cities, not obviously the towns. Fifty years later they're

1065
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.239
<v Speaker 2>the minority. Why is that, because, as Hirsch pointed out,

1066
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:41.599
<v Speaker 2>these rabbis didn't know how to respond to the times.

1067
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:44.880
<v Speaker 2>They they were responding like they were living in Warsaw

1068
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Villna two one years before. They need Torndero Heretzin Tora

1069
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:51.280
<v Speaker 2>needs to respond to the new circumstances. But once the

1070
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Hersheyan idea gets going, there's very little attrition. So yes,

1071
01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:57.280
<v Speaker 2>had you had a person like Riff Cook, maybe you

1072
01:00:57.320 --> 01:00:59.199
<v Speaker 2>would have. You did not have an Eastern europe A

1073
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Shimphan Ruffle Art. If you had, maybe things would have

1074
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:06.360
<v Speaker 2>been different. Risseael Solantre tried, but you wouldn't have solved everyone.

1075
01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:09.719
<v Speaker 2>But the idea is important that had there been an

1076
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:13.599
<v Speaker 2>and I would reviser. Zeus said in the beginning years

1077
01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:17.039
<v Speaker 2>of the state, had you had a Ravad Josef who

1078
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:19.920
<v Speaker 2>could appeal to the masses listen to my classes on him,

1079
01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:22.599
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't have had these people came to Israel. They

1080
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:25.679
<v Speaker 2>came from Morocco. Many of them are religious. They came

1081
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:27.760
<v Speaker 2>from not all of them, because with the French already

1082
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:31.119
<v Speaker 2>they they stopped being They came from Yemen. They all

1083
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:35.480
<v Speaker 2>were religious, and then they fell into a secular society.

1084
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:38.280
<v Speaker 2>They're not secular, but they were influenced. Many of them,

1085
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:40.880
<v Speaker 2>not show Marschabas. We know the history. Had you had

1086
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:43.960
<v Speaker 2>a figure like Ravad Yosefe to give them pride and

1087
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:46.320
<v Speaker 2>teach them, then it would have been different. But not

1088
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:49.719
<v Speaker 2>in hoscalo, hoscalo, you need arough cook type figure.

1089
01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:51.679
<v Speaker 1>So with that we end for.

1090
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Tonight next class, we're going to pick up with what

1091
01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:58.639
<v Speaker 2>I believe is an important historical document when they write

1092
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:02.639
<v Speaker 2>the history of the Yahad party in Israel, their failure.

1093
01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I think people will use this letter and we'll hear

1094
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:12.960
<v Speaker 2>about listening to Wagner music and some a lot of things.

1095
01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:17.079
<v Speaker 2>We have about six more letters, the Ramban Mosha Kunitz.

1096
01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:17.840
<v Speaker 1>What does it mean?

1097
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Moscule? You should shine? The mosculum should shine because zoa

1098
01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:28.519
<v Speaker 2>hurricis moscule always a bad word. What about Gilgel? Is

1099
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Gilgel really a doctrine reincarnation? So we have all sorts

1100
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:37.360
<v Speaker 2>of good stuff coming up. Well, let me now, oh

1101
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:40.079
<v Speaker 2>it's already nine thirty three. Let me get to the comments. Everyone.

1102
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Thank you all for your comments and questions. As always,

1103
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:45.280
<v Speaker 2>I love the fact that I learned so much from

1104
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:48.800
<v Speaker 2>the comments. Albara sent the link I said that the

1105
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:51.719
<v Speaker 2>I said this before we got on that this Werdiger,

1106
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.400
<v Speaker 2>who's the CEO of the Agora Si SrAl. He goes

1107
01:02:55.440 --> 01:03:01.519
<v Speaker 2>to the Super Bowl every year. Janin says, this reminds

1108
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:08.400
<v Speaker 2>me of modern non denominational Protestant ministers. And congregations. I'm

1109
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:12.679
<v Speaker 2>not sure what that was referring to. So right in

1110
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Felix says, where's Revdi say? It's for minutes. It's a

1111
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:17.320
<v Speaker 2>coo issue. Even if he knows what she looks like,

1112
01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:19.639
<v Speaker 2>he says it it's in the book in y b

1113
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:21.760
<v Speaker 2>oh Mare in his in the early beone where he says,

1114
01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:23.079
<v Speaker 2>if you know what she looks like from a picture,

1115
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:25.440
<v Speaker 2>you can't. But then in the later ya be o

1116
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Mayor he says, no, if you just know from a picture,

1117
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:30.360
<v Speaker 2>and and it's explained in the book by revolv Ram.

1118
01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:33.119
<v Speaker 2>If you just know what you look for her a picture,

1119
01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:36.320
<v Speaker 2>it's not h it doesn't count. You have to have

1120
01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:41.280
<v Speaker 2>been with her in person. That's where he says. He says,

1121
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:43.920
<v Speaker 2>he says, you have to rayem Riosa. So does that

1122
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:46.639
<v Speaker 2>mean if you saw her on TV because that's sort

1123
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:48.960
<v Speaker 2>of like in person. I don't know. He doesn't explain that.

1124
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:55.480
<v Speaker 2>But that's a retraction. That's an important retraction of revolv

1125
01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Ramiosef explains, so we studied this earlier in the collect course,

1126
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:04.480
<v Speaker 2>that that his father changed the position on that bride

1127
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Witz is not from Toronto. Oh yeah, this is not

1128
01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:09.679
<v Speaker 2>it's Eliwits. You're right. Sorry, sorry, I get confused. Thank you, Nat.

1129
01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:14.719
<v Speaker 2>He's he's I think he runs uh a chateaua now

1130
01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:20.280
<v Speaker 2>uh no, no in Israel, yes, bride wits. I think

1131
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:23.719
<v Speaker 2>he runs. I forget someone, all right in one of them. Yes,

1132
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:25.920
<v Speaker 2>it's so, it's a bride wits. And I just want

1133
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:30.159
<v Speaker 2>to say again how impressed I was by h L

1134
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I never met, but uh, in general, how impressed I

1135
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:36.960
<v Speaker 2>am that the academics and the rabbis are saying basically

1136
01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:46.280
<v Speaker 2>the same thing. That so, uh yeah, they're brothers. Okay, yeah,

1137
01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know either of them. David Eisen says that, yeah,

1138
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:54.639
<v Speaker 2>this was just released yesterday. I think the real giving

1139
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:57.039
<v Speaker 2>an explanation for an eye to eye for an eye,

1140
01:04:57.199 --> 01:04:59.719
<v Speaker 2>and the Rove doesn't here deal with the fact that

1141
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:03.440
<v Speaker 2>in the Morna Vuim basically says that it should be

1142
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:07.960
<v Speaker 2>an eye for an eye, but and and the explanation

1143
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:10.360
<v Speaker 2>people usually give is that because in theory, that's what

1144
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:13.000
<v Speaker 2>we should do, but we we can't because it's not

1145
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.519
<v Speaker 2>gonna be uh, it's not gonna be equal. That's what

1146
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:18.719
<v Speaker 2>the Gomoras says, that if my eye is good and

1147
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:21.119
<v Speaker 2>your eye is bad. But the rev you can he

1148
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:25.239
<v Speaker 2>get the link Ruby selli achik. You're not watching him.

1149
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:28.079
<v Speaker 2>It's just an audio. But whoever set it up set

1150
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:30.559
<v Speaker 2>it up so that he sort of moves and it's

1151
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:33.280
<v Speaker 2>in Yiddish. Uh. The reve has A has a great

1152
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Yiddish yes so bora sites the godomi raban chimo Uh.

1153
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:48.519
<v Speaker 2>The expressionismonim no no, the is fardimo. Also use peo team.

1154
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:50.199
<v Speaker 2>As far as I know of, Mazuza is the term

1155
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:53.639
<v Speaker 2>peo team. Filk says Iribo is great. I why do

1156
01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:56.239
<v Speaker 2>they remove Rebo? I think only because it doesn't it's

1157
01:05:56.360 --> 01:06:00.239
<v Speaker 2>it's like modern music. And for Yeshiva, I'm assuming that's why.

1158
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:03.079
<v Speaker 2>But Felix says, Yeshiva guys listening to these days, that's

1159
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:04.400
<v Speaker 2>the sort of thing that would be great. At my

1160
01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:06.800
<v Speaker 2>school every year they have like a musical thing. So

1161
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:12.280
<v Speaker 2>you have someone like Yshairibo we had, We've had all

1162
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:16.039
<v Speaker 2>these type of modern like religious type of singers. But

1163
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I have to say I had never heard of him.

1164
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:24.119
<v Speaker 2>And Davis is how is Romusu's Westerner prime minister any

1165
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:26.320
<v Speaker 2>different and similar? Blessing with his Stonies run politicians by

1166
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Lababachreby it's no different. But again, the Labavacherebbi is not

1167
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:33.599
<v Speaker 2>a Haredi Rosueshiva. Tell me when Revma and usually Rebbi

1168
01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Netsanajo or other politicians and go to the dinner in

1169
01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Tel Aviv. When's the last time you saw Netsan Yaho

1170
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:45.239
<v Speaker 2>or any secular politician go to Thelevron dinner or go

1171
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:47.480
<v Speaker 2>to the Ponavis dinner. You won't have it. They go

1172
01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:50.320
<v Speaker 2>to America's. You can see videos of Shamir walking into

1173
01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:52.840
<v Speaker 2>America's and you're not smoved, and they sing to him

1174
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:55.559
<v Speaker 2>like he's one of the Godola you thro. But the Labavachrebbi,

1175
01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:58.119
<v Speaker 2>of course, the Lababach rebby would give the blessings. But

1176
01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:01.119
<v Speaker 2>the Olbabach Rebbi is also not in the Haredi world

1177
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:07.239
<v Speaker 2>the way we normally think of, you say, the prime minister, politicians, Shazar.

1178
01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:10.480
<v Speaker 2>When Shazar came to America, he went to the rebbi

1179
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.320
<v Speaker 2>and the rebbie of course, gave him this blessing. And

1180
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:15.519
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of controversy back in Israel. They said,

1181
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:17.960
<v Speaker 2>you're the president, you shouldn't go to the rebbe. The

1182
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:21.239
<v Speaker 2>rebbe should come to you, and they thought it was disrespectful.

1183
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:24.000
<v Speaker 2>But Shazar. When he reverted to his youth, he was

1184
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:26.320
<v Speaker 2>a hausted and he went to the Rebbe. He wore

1185
01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:28.320
<v Speaker 2>the hat the entire time. In his later years he

1186
01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:31.880
<v Speaker 2>became more observant than they say, so they would all

1187
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:34.800
<v Speaker 2>the politicians, including Natanao you could see on YouTube nets

1188
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:37.840
<v Speaker 2>now when he was the ambassador, would go to the Rebbe.

1189
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:39.960
<v Speaker 2>But that's it's the same thing. They're not in the

1190
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Haredi world. Per Se. David says that Yhai Rebo was

1191
01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:48.599
<v Speaker 2>part of an increasingly growing group of Jewish music entertainers

1192
01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:51.039
<v Speaker 2>such as lenand and Ari who had become mainstream. And

1193
01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:53.320
<v Speaker 2>his music's on a top ten playlist of secularies early

1194
01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:56.239
<v Speaker 2>radio stations, and the songs and then I looked on YouTube.

1195
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:59.880
<v Speaker 2>These are good messages. It's like there's Christian rock and

1196
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Christian music. This is Jewish music, but not like we

1197
01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:07.960
<v Speaker 2>think of like wedding type of music. It's but songs

1198
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:12.519
<v Speaker 2>with good messages. And I was listening to him for

1199
01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:15.800
<v Speaker 2>a while. What is the name of the site about

1200
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:19.680
<v Speaker 2>the guiness? You can't access it. If you email me,

1201
01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:21.800
<v Speaker 2>I'll send you the link, but you can only see

1202
01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:28.479
<v Speaker 2>sections of it. It's it's called from Cairo to the cloud.

1203
01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:34.479
<v Speaker 2>For those people in Toronto, the Friedberg freed there's the

1204
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Freberg Institute funded by Dove Friedberg. They've created this website

1205
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:41.399
<v Speaker 2>and all the fragments of the Guinese guiness is incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>iPad says that as far as Eric Einstein is there

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<v Speaker 2>a musician took inspiration for Tanach, including songs about Jacob

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<v Speaker 2>working waiting for Rachel. Yeah, okay, I guess they took it.

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<v Speaker 2>But are they talking? Are they singing? These singers they're

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<v Speaker 2>not orthodox. Do they have a contemporary message? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you can have a love song about Jacob working for Rajau,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's that's not uh. And the song Yihairibo sang

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<v Speaker 2>was like for the about the Yeshiva, It's I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's different. David says that the true term mandated pro

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<v Speaker 2>revoo and an urban celibacy. Then why are women is

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<v Speaker 2>them from the smith's Okay, you know you don't need

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<v Speaker 2>me to answer that. The reshown him already asked that,

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<v Speaker 2>and the standard answer given is that it's dangerous. Today

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<v Speaker 2>maybe people forget that, but in pre modern times it

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<v Speaker 2>was quite dangerous. Many women died in childbirth. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>ever wondering where you have these those the wicked step

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<v Speaker 2>mother and everything. Why are therese all these wicked step

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<v Speaker 2>mothers around? It's because women were off and dying in childbirth,

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<v Speaker 2>and the husband then had to remarry to If he

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<v Speaker 2>was lucky, he married the sister, because only the sister

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<v Speaker 2>would that would be good sister of the wife. But

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<v Speaker 2>generally they have to find some woman, uh to marry,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where you get the theme of the wicked stepmother.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what many people say. The reason is, since

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<v Speaker 2>it it's dangerous, we didn't want to have a commandment

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<v Speaker 2>to require women. Now, how how that is actually practical

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<v Speaker 2>because if women are really not obligated, then apparently women

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have that children. You could be married and

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<v Speaker 2>she could say, well, okay, I'm going on all his

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<v Speaker 2>birth control and you're never gonna have children. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a little more complicated than that, because once she gets married,

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<v Speaker 2>we assume that she is obligated to have children because

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<v Speaker 2>it's part of her duties as a wife. A woman

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<v Speaker 2>can't say just because she's married, I'm not obligated and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna have children. But what it does mean

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<v Speaker 2>is that technically a woman is not obligated to get

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<v Speaker 2>married because she's exempt from it. Oh and so, and

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<v Speaker 2>finally the last thing, David says this or Sam Rabbi Bridewits,

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<v Speaker 2>I listened to rebby Bridewits. Maybe that's the why I

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<v Speaker 2>said Yitshak and Seelieza because in the car I like

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to we were snowed out last Tuesday, but

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<v Speaker 2>on Thursday, so I always listen to good stuff. I

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<v Speaker 2>listened to her emotion talks. I don't listen to her

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<v Speaker 2>by Weeder him. I watch because you sort of need

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<v Speaker 2>to see it. But I listened to her emotion I

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<v Speaker 2>listened to Wi Wechenstein. I listened to general podcasts, not

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01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Jewish Jewish ones. I'd love to listen to Glenn Lowry

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<v Speaker 2>and John mcwarder. If you don't know John McWorter, check

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<v Speaker 2>out John McWorter. I love him. Uh but I was

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<v Speaker 2>listening last week to the Dovid Luhtenstein Show, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was listening to uh Rabbi Bridewitz, who was on it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like Bridewits, this is just a few weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was speaking of vegetarianism and other things. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's very impressive and very well spoken, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>I'm waiting and he throws out rough cook and everything

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<v Speaker 2>very nice. So yes, mort he says, I don't listen

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<v Speaker 2>to Lexicon Valley. I've only listened to a few of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I like listening to his stuff on race, race relations,

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<v Speaker 2>anti racism, all that sort of stuff. I think he's great. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>uh so ot con thank you. If I recall, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I connect. You know, years ago the

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<v Speaker 2>a good at convention. There's a whole scandal because it

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<v Speaker 2>was Israel and they refused to invite the president of

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<v Speaker 2>Israel because they didn't want to stand, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>you remember that. I was thinking about thirty five forty

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, there's a whole well there there's been a

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<v Speaker 2>number of scanners. I thought there was another scan. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was the first to go to convention, the

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<v Speaker 2>second in Israel where they refused to put the Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>flag up on the hotel where it was taking place

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<v Speaker 2>at and they were told, you have to know, they

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<v Speaker 2>want to take the flag down, and they said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not taking it down. So what they did is

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<v Speaker 2>then they put up the flags of all the countries

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<v Speaker 2>where people were coming from. So America, England, So the

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli flag was only one flag among many. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to have. We see the Gardi world,

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<v Speaker 2>we see part of this with the world's Zionist organization.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a split in the is that the world's Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's split in the Garadi world because a number of

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<v Speaker 2>leading figures in Kunier Rusher Weis said that we should

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<v Speaker 2>be part of this because there's money and we can

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<v Speaker 2>direct money and other things. And then there was a

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<v Speaker 2>strong backlash or by our own fellow and even though

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<v Speaker 2>many Godolim and Israel from the very right wing said

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<v Speaker 2>that it's okay. And then how could it be okay

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<v Speaker 2>you have to proclaim allegiance to Zionism. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>people or Zionists might not be so happy of hearing this.

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<v Speaker 2>They said, ah, no one cares. You could just say

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<v Speaker 2>I Bombazionist, even if you're not really a Zionist. So

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<v Speaker 2>that the Haradian who said be part of it, they say,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not really a declaration. But Robert Aaron Felman, you

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<v Speaker 2>can actually see his speech at the Agoda convention attacking

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<v Speaker 2>this position, saying that these are our principles. We will

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<v Speaker 2>never be in the world Zionist organization because we oppose

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<v Speaker 2>what Zionism is. So the Haredi world itself is split

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<v Speaker 2>on how to relate. But they would never have an

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli Prime minister speak unless he was a religious Jew.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you spell? Mcwurder, mcwarder, mc who r t

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<v Speaker 2>er Lexicon Valley is all about language. He's a linguist,

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<v Speaker 2>but his show on racial issues is very entertainment.

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<v Speaker 1>This series was originally recorded in twenty twenty and twenty

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