Speaker 1: That's no moon, it's a space station. Hey guys, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show. Just a few quick reminders before
Speaker 1: we get started. Our Hawaii conference is right around the corner,
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Speaker 1: the way, Aaron, did you notice that our links are
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Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I just noticed the other day.
Speaker 3: Wow, how about that?
Speaker 1: So for a minute there for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: I guess YouTube took away some of our advanced features
Speaker 1: and we could put links under our videos. But that
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Speaker 1: So now you can click the links that we talk about.
Speaker 3: Actually, now you don't have to copy and paste the
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Speaker 1: So yeah, and we can't wait, guys. There are very
Speaker 1: limited amount of tickets left for Hawaii, like twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five tickets and maybe even less. But if you want
Speaker 1: to join us, I would start planning your trip now.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a blast. You know, we've been
Speaker 1: looking forward to this for a long time and it's
Speaker 1: going to be here before you know it. So April twentieth,
Speaker 1: start planning your trip now, grab a ticket, and we
Speaker 1: can't wait to see you there. I did also just
Speaker 1: create a telegram link for that conference, so anybody who
Speaker 1: has purchased a ticket email me and I will send you,
Speaker 1: guys to telegram link if you want to join the
Speaker 1: chain to try and coordinate with people and plan your
Speaker 1: trip and all that stuff. So I will also put
Speaker 1: that link on the website here. I just need to
Speaker 1: remind myself to do it anyway. That being said, today
Speaker 1: we are joined by Alandra Markman, somebody we've been meaning
Speaker 1: to have on the show for quite some time, and
Speaker 1: we're excited to be here with him. We ran into
Speaker 1: him in Mount Shasta a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 1: I just it took us this long to finally get together.
Speaker 1: And you know he specifically he's been doing career teaching
Speaker 1: with in co creative meditation and helping other SRA and
Speaker 1: SSP survivors to heal. So we're going to be talking
Speaker 1: about some of that. But he has his own secret
Speaker 1: space program story a satanic ritual abuse story. He's a survivor,
Speaker 1: but he also likes to help people and integrate, like
Speaker 1: you know, to fragmented the soul, fragments and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So we're going to get into plenty of fun stuff today.
Speaker 1: But welcome to the show, Alandra.
Speaker 2: Hi, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, so. I understand I probably didn't do the
Speaker 1: greatest job introducing you. So if you would like to
Speaker 1: let our audience know a little bit more about who
Speaker 1: you are and how you found your way into doing
Speaker 1: what you're doing today, and then we can go from there. Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hi, I am Alandra. I am a meditation teacher and
Speaker 2: I do coaching work with people for spiritual development, and
Speaker 2: I also help survivors of trauma based mind control to heal.
Speaker 2: That's my preferred term. It's a big category include satanic
Speaker 2: ritual abuse, secret space program stuff, targeted individual stuff. I
Speaker 2: went through all of those categories growing up and I
Speaker 2: found my path to freedom. So that now that's part
Speaker 2: of you know, my part of my continuing learning is
Speaker 2: to teach others. So that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1: Right So, and we don't have to get into the heavy,
Speaker 1: the dark stuff obviously, but so your story begins at
Speaker 1: what age? What like, what did you realize or looking
Speaker 1: back on it now, when do you when did you
Speaker 1: realize this was all starting for you?
Speaker 2: There are two main timelines that I'm on. The initial
Speaker 2: person his name is Max, was born in nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: and then the person whose body this is who we're
Speaker 2: calling Alandra I was born as Allen was born in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six. So I'm working with those two main
Speaker 2: reference points for timing.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna pause you really quick because I actually
Speaker 1: I find that aspect very interesting and I think there's
Speaker 1: something similar going on with myself. So explain to me, like,
Speaker 1: I'm a five year old, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1: How can you be born two different places to differ years?
Speaker 1: And I understand that it's real, but for I'm also
Speaker 1: still trying to understand it, so I will appreciate this explanation.
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, the simple way to say it is, I'm
Speaker 2: two people in one body. So some people would consider
Speaker 2: that nineteen seventy birth a past life. For me, that's not.
Speaker 3: What it is.
Speaker 2: Past lives are normal. Everybody reincarnates, So this I just
Speaker 2: considered normal. Nothing really outstanding about that in and of itself.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do remember the past lives, so I
Speaker 2: guess that part is special. But what happened here is
Speaker 2: we didn't go through the natural reincarnation process. We were
Speaker 2: just moved directly from that body into this body by
Speaker 2: artificial means consciousness transfer. I don't know if that was
Speaker 2: like five year old.
Speaker 1: No, but no, but that that helps. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: absolutely helps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, continue, Yeah, So our original body is passed away,
Speaker 2: and now in this body we have these two people
Speaker 2: plus some other beings that are functioning together as one.
Speaker 2: So we're an inter being. We combine a couple of
Speaker 2: different human perspectives and a couple of et perspectives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, co and then so then essentially then you
Speaker 1: were just born into whatever program this is or was.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, in that body, I was abducted as a young
Speaker 2: child when I was four years old. In this body,
Speaker 2: it was from birth. This body is from a Satanic
Speaker 2: bloodline family. The abuse happened from birth in this body.
Speaker 1: So your family, the family lineage, I guess, has been involved.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's an ancestral thing. And like this is I
Speaker 1: guess to just clarify, So it's not confusing. Your memories
Speaker 1: from this lifetime are they real time memories? Are they
Speaker 1: also like abduction memories from another branch?
Speaker 2: Well both because I was also at regressed, so that
Speaker 2: gets into a lot of different complexity. This body has
Speaker 2: also been on over a dozen different timelines, so those
Speaker 2: are simultaneous memories where it's the same dates but different events,
Speaker 2: different circumstances.
Speaker 3: So that's also true.
Speaker 1: So we're getting into quantum mechanics, the many world's theory,
Speaker 1: like we have infinite many versions of ourselves living simultaneously,
Speaker 1: part time, exactly parallel realities timelines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the organic version of that, which we all
Speaker 2: have some glimpse into, and then there's the art official
Speaker 2: version of it, which is much more dense and much
Speaker 2: more reliant on different forms of technology.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what was the big turning point for you in
Speaker 1: your adulthood when you realize, oh, my gosh, I'm involved
Speaker 1: with this. This has happened to me Because I don't
Speaker 1: imagine that you always had that knowing or did you.
Speaker 2: Well, a part of me always did, but it wasn't
Speaker 2: very conscious. Yeah, my memories really started coming back around
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. That was kind of my watershed moment.
Speaker 2: So in this body, I was in my late twenties
Speaker 2: and really well, first came some of the more traumatic
Speaker 2: sexual assault experiences. That was some of the first stuff
Speaker 2: to come up, and I started realizing there was more
Speaker 2: going on than I had been aware of. You know,
Speaker 2: my narrative at that point was just that I came
Speaker 2: from an emotionally and physically abusive, you know, home with
Speaker 2: very mentally ill mother. And that part's also true, like
Speaker 2: that's the part that I was always aware of, But
Speaker 2: all this other stuff I started to become aware of.
Speaker 2: Around then, I had very intrusive memories. It was when
Speaker 2: I started meditating seriously. Well that was two thousand and seven,
Speaker 2: So that kind of late two thousands period is when
Speaker 2: I was getting big chunks of memory back, getting flooded
Speaker 2: with like really intense, painful body sensations. So that's when
Speaker 2: the ball really started rolling and I gradually started putting
Speaker 2: the pieces together, but it took me a while. It
Speaker 2: took me roughly from that period like two thousand and seven,
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight up until twenty thirteen ish, so
Speaker 2: a good four years five years where I was very
Speaker 2: confused about what had happened. To me, I was getting
Speaker 2: pieces coming back. The way I approached it basically was
Speaker 2: to go in outward order from more believable in a
Speaker 2: consensus reality way to less believable. So I just I
Speaker 2: started with the sexual stuff. Oh I came from a
Speaker 2: family with incest. You know, that was like the first
Speaker 2: big chunk. And then I started accepting that, moving through
Speaker 2: my shock about that, and then you know, moving outwards
Speaker 2: out out of consensus reality. Oh I was also I
Speaker 2: was commercially sexually trafficked. You know, that's that's still consensus reality,
Speaker 2: but it's kind of on the edge.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like people have a hard time just accepting that
Speaker 2: that happens, including myself, Like I was having trouble believing myself.
Speaker 2: So you know, this is why I was doing it
Speaker 2: this way. And then from there I went to my
Speaker 2: first real trauma therapy in twenty thirteen, and then the
Speaker 2: floodgates really opened and I was able to speak about
Speaker 2: more detailed things that were farther outside of consensus reality. Okay,
Speaker 2: it wasn't just sexual trafficking. These were satanic rituals. Okay,
Speaker 2: it wasn't just satanic rituals. This was an organized military
Speaker 2: operation with et beings and lots of moving parts outside
Speaker 2: of Earth. So that's kind of how I did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, A good way to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, start start with the more believable, so to speak, things,
Speaker 3: and then you go and then you realize, oh, this
Speaker 3: stuff isn't not only real, but it happened to me.
Speaker 3: And that's a lot to process, I can imagine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the biggest challenges for survivors of
Speaker 2: these things, like learning to believe ourselves, learning to trust ourselves.
Speaker 2: It takes time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's still you know, we just kind of
Speaker 1: premiered our documentary the other night in Sedona, and it
Speaker 1: talks about similar themes and we had did a Q
Speaker 1: and A at the end and and somebody asks, like,
Speaker 1: how how do you expect people out there the masses
Speaker 1: to even buy this type of time travel twenty and
Speaker 1: back stuff, Like like, we understand, we've been at this
Speaker 1: for years, that this is actually very fundamentally true, and
Speaker 1: you know time travels name of the game, and there's
Speaker 1: technologies involve blah blah blah blah that we're not supposed
Speaker 1: to know about. But how does for to get the
Speaker 1: normal person to bite onto that right, and then take
Speaker 1: it seriously. I think that's where most people need to
Speaker 1: find They need to walk that tightrope because you don't
Speaker 1: want to scare people off with this stuff if you
Speaker 1: want them to take it seriously, Like you had to
Speaker 1: do that even with yourself. As what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 1: so I can imagine we can. We have to keep
Speaker 1: this in mind if we're trying to tell other people
Speaker 1: about it, you know, so to wrap your head around
Speaker 1: these insane technologies and you know what we're capable of.
Speaker 1: It's a very healthy approach. So then you started realizing
Speaker 1: that you were involved in these programs and stuff, and yeah,
Speaker 1: at what point did you say, Okay, I need to
Speaker 1: do something about this. Am I still involved? Like what
Speaker 1: did that look like? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, by the time I had my memories coming back,
Speaker 2: most of the hard work to get free was already done, thankfully,
Speaker 2: So some people have to deal with targeting while they're
Speaker 2: still getting their memories back. For me, that was pretty
Speaker 2: much separate, Like I was pretty much free by the
Speaker 2: time the memories were coming back, and the battle for
Speaker 2: my freedom had happened before I even got any of
Speaker 2: the memories back, So I was kind of lucky in
Speaker 2: that way, because it's very very hard to navigate the
Speaker 2: past stuff when you're still dealing with present targeting. So yeah,
Speaker 2: but for me, that's how it happened.
Speaker 1: So can you give us an example of, let's just say,
Speaker 1: an off world memory, something that kind of struck you.
Speaker 2: Sure, I spent a lot of time on Mars. I
Speaker 2: worked as a weapons engineer for a long time. I
Speaker 2: was designing targeting scanners on plasma rifles, and that was
Speaker 2: basically a whole lifetime. I had a whole career there.
Speaker 2: It was almost a forty year career. It was a
Speaker 2: pretty long lifetime there, and that's what I did, and
Speaker 2: it was extremely boring from my from my present perspective.
Speaker 2: But when I when I look across my different timeline experiences,
Speaker 2: that's one of the more stable ones because I was
Speaker 2: just doing the same exact thing. It was very tedious work,
Speaker 2: and it was less traumatic than some of the other ones.
Speaker 2: So that's an easier one to talk about. There were
Speaker 2: others where I was more on the front lines of
Speaker 2: the war on Mars, you know, when that was still
Speaker 2: going on, and those are much more intense. You know,
Speaker 2: I'd get blown to pieces and then thrown in a
Speaker 2: region tank and thrown back out into the field and
Speaker 2: just really miserable experience. And of course the memories are
Speaker 2: much more fragmented.
Speaker 1: So right, so what what is your opinion as far
Speaker 1: as life on Mars existing?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Uh, Pete Keer Cassidy had the whistle boarer one time
Speaker 1: that said, the people that get their memories back from
Speaker 1: Mars are remembering life from a different dimension, meaning that
Speaker 1: if we went there in a spaceship, we wouldn't see
Speaker 1: the things and find the things that people are remembering.
Speaker 1: Do you think this happened on a higher plane and
Speaker 1: a parallel timeline, Like, do you think we would go
Speaker 1: there physically and find what you remember?
Speaker 2: Yes, you would definitely physically find it. It's three D
Speaker 2: in this in this reality, yes, okay.
Speaker 1: But do you agree with the other aspect of that too,
Speaker 1: that you know there's are.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, there's always more to the story. You know,
Speaker 2: these human lives that we live are just incredibly multi
Speaker 2: dimensional phenomena by their nature. You know, whether you go
Speaker 2: through these regression experiences or if you're just having a
Speaker 2: quote unquote normal life, our life, by its nature operates
Speaker 2: across all these dimensions and so there's a lot of
Speaker 2: content that a lot of us remember and experience across
Speaker 2: many different modes of perception and dimensions. So yeah, in
Speaker 2: a general sense.
Speaker 1: Right now, whenever you say, okay, so did you experience
Speaker 1: targeting as an adult as you were like remembering this stuff,
Speaker 1: I know you talked about.
Speaker 3: A little bit.
Speaker 2: It was more subtle. I had basically gotten free by
Speaker 2: around two thousand, So after that, I was never actually
Speaker 2: in the cult again. I was never in the military
Speaker 2: programs again. What would happen instead is I would have
Speaker 2: people come into my life who were, you know, trying
Speaker 2: to trigger me or trying to block memories. You know,
Speaker 2: I would especially love interests. I would have love interests
Speaker 2: that showed up that would be functioning as handlers and
Speaker 2: trying to just slow down my whole process of remembering
Speaker 2: and speaking out and becoming a teacher and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: So there were definitely some targeting instances after I got free,
Speaker 2: but they were more subtle and they relied more on
Speaker 2: my free will participation, you know, like, once you're free
Speaker 2: of the of the immediate manipulation, they need some degree
Speaker 2: of you saying yes in order to get into your field.
Speaker 2: If you're a sovereign adult person. You know, as a child,
Speaker 2: it's very different, like you don't have that power over
Speaker 2: yourself and you don't have that kind of insight into
Speaker 2: your mind just because you're not physically mature. But as
Speaker 2: an adult free of the programs, there were infringements on
Speaker 2: my sovereignty, but they were still like basically coming from
Speaker 2: my free will expression.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about that a little deeper. I
Speaker 1: agree that it all has to be done with your
Speaker 1: consent on some level, even though they might have a sick,
Speaker 1: twisted perspective on how that actually looks. But we are
Speaker 1: tricked into consent in many situations and there's deception involved.
Speaker 1: So like, how do you how do you cope with that?
Speaker 1: Like understanding that, Yeah, I agreed, but I was tricked
Speaker 1: into it, you know, And that's something that a lot
Speaker 1: of people struggle with because you know, it's not fair, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredibly unfair. It's so unfair, and the Higher
Speaker 2: Self does make some agreements that are radically unfair to
Speaker 2: the human person, just radically, and that was definitely the
Speaker 2: case for me. I mean, this was not my idea
Speaker 2: of initiation. You know, I'd rather go through some consensual
Speaker 2: shamanic experience, Like I didn't want to have all this trauma,
Speaker 2: but that was my higher selves idea of initiation.
Speaker 1: So that's what happened, right, Yeah. I think it's interesting
Speaker 1: that we find ourselves in these situations and you wonder
Speaker 1: why and how, and then you have to go back
Speaker 1: to the root cause. And actually, like we want to
Speaker 1: at first, we want to point the fingers at all
Speaker 1: these agencies and corporations, but then we consent it. But
Speaker 1: then where we tricked into it, Like it's a very
Speaker 1: fine line there, and I don't think it's black and white,
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe we chose it on a higher level.
Speaker 1: Maybe we just chose the overall experience. But the details
Speaker 1: or the specifics, we're going to evolve as they as
Speaker 1: you know, that came into our lives. So I think
Speaker 1: there's any number of situations that can happen. Do you
Speaker 1: have anything to add to that.
Speaker 2: I'll say that that some body minds are more fought
Speaker 2: over than others. So this particular body that I'm in
Speaker 2: comes from a reptilian bloodline family, and so in order
Speaker 2: to incarnate into this body, I had to run the
Speaker 2: gauntlet of all these things even before I came into
Speaker 2: this incarnation, you know, this was a heavily guarded, heavily
Speaker 2: fought over incarnation, and so there's a lot of competition
Speaker 2: to get into these kinds of bodies. There are a
Speaker 2: lot of souls that are knocking at those gates, and
Speaker 2: a lot of them don't realize the full implications of
Speaker 2: what they're getting into. When you look at it from
Speaker 2: the soul level, you think, oh, sure, I can deal
Speaker 2: with that, and then you get into it, it's like,
Speaker 2: oh fuck, this is a living hell, you know. So
Speaker 2: there's that piece. I just want to say, this body
Speaker 2: that I'm in is, as far as some of the
Speaker 2: drake garre concerned, it's very valuable real estate. Not every
Speaker 2: human body is so fought over as this one.
Speaker 1: Aaron, were you going to say something, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's a dovetail onto this. I know. I've heard many
Speaker 3: people either near death experiencers or people that remember their
Speaker 3: their life between livees when they were at the soul
Speaker 3: level or the higher self level where they're even choosing
Speaker 3: their current incarnation, and they're they're like, wow, I actually
Speaker 3: signed up for all this horrible stuff. Why would I
Speaker 3: do that? But they they remember being in that perspective
Speaker 3: where you have such a greater perspective and to them,
Speaker 3: this life is like that, it's like so quick and
Speaker 3: it's like nothing, and they see the and you see
Speaker 3: the value of your experiences from that perspective, whereas once
Speaker 3: you get in here, you kind of have this amnesia
Speaker 3: and you're just in it and it's a whole different experience,
Speaker 3: like you said, and you're like, would why is this happening?
Speaker 3: Why would I choose this? This is insane? And so
Speaker 3: you get back there and you're like, oh, yeah, that
Speaker 3: was so valuable. Now I get it again, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's just from this small three perspective, things are
Speaker 3: hard to kind of grasp.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, my soul family is very large, and this is
Speaker 2: true for a lot of people who use these difficult experiences.
Speaker 2: You know, the the Draco beings, the Zeta reticular beings,
Speaker 2: the Orion beings, the ones that are perpetrating these things,
Speaker 2: those are also my soul family, you know. So we
Speaker 2: had our own communion and our own agreements, like before
Speaker 2: I took this incarnations, like okay, like we're we're all
Speaker 2: family in an extended sense, even though in this body
Speaker 2: I would never trust them, you know, but.
Speaker 1: Right right, right, yeah, so Aaron, really quick check your
Speaker 1: microphone and see if it's on the right setting. We
Speaker 1: can we can still hear you, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's not anyways, sticking it up for some reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, sorry about the interruption there. So okay, you
Speaker 1: you say this goes far, goes beyond trauma based mind control,
Speaker 1: and there's et is involved, even like your ets embodying
Speaker 1: you and other soul fragments and stuff. But what do
Speaker 1: you mean when you say it was beyond that?
Speaker 2: It means that this is just a small part of
Speaker 2: a very long journey kind of what Aaron was getting at.
Speaker 2: These events of our lives are put into motions so
Speaker 2: long ago, the entire string of all of our human incarnations.
Speaker 2: Like there's not just counsel between lives, there's counsel before
Speaker 2: all the lives. And I have my soul contracts with
Speaker 2: Gya herself to serve her in many, many different forms.
Speaker 2: And this has been my journey with Gya across countless
Speaker 2: millennia and countless bodies, human and non human bodies, Like
Speaker 2: I have just a standing commitment my own conscious relationship
Speaker 2: with Gia. She's the one I'm serving first and foremost,
Speaker 2: and so basically whatever sort of experience will allow me
Speaker 2: to serve her best is the one that I choose
Speaker 2: for myself in the extended.
Speaker 1: Sense, right, And I like that you brought that up,
Speaker 1: because remembering that we're here to either serve Gia or
Speaker 1: work with her, you know, live in harmony with the planet,
Speaker 1: bring it back online, whatever that is, like we that's
Speaker 1: the most important thing to remember because like you said,
Speaker 1: it can feel like a living hell. If once you
Speaker 1: go through this stuff and you're down here, I'm like why,
Speaker 1: Like we're just bombarded every day. So to like, I think,
Speaker 1: to have that fundamental understanding of what you're actually doing here.
Speaker 1: And it might be to blow the whistle, remember being
Speaker 1: part of these programs and blow the whistle and help
Speaker 1: expose that. But there's even a higher mission, is what
Speaker 1: you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like to mention in addition to serving Guy,
Speaker 2: I have a very close relationship with the Ontarians. They're
Speaker 2: a positive eighth density alien race from the Scorpio constellation.
Speaker 2: So I've called my business on tarian journeys that are
Speaker 2: very very close to my heart. I have a future
Speaker 2: incarnation in the Antarist system, and that magic, that Ontarian
Speaker 2: magic has been part of every incarnation that I've had
Speaker 2: on Earth, not just the recent ones. So there are
Speaker 2: some threads from deeper time that are flowing through here.
Speaker 2: And the Ontarians are the ones who helped me survive
Speaker 2: these experiences. Helped me survive mon Talk, helped me survive Mars.
Speaker 2: You know, they were always there with me.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is really interesting. This is a group
Speaker 1: that I don't hear a lot of people talk about.
Speaker 1: I've heard them brought up before. Now whenever you say
Speaker 1: they're helping and are they coming in the form of
Speaker 1: a spirit guide? Are there actual Ontarians like in a
Speaker 1: base here on Earth physically or what do you know
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 2: Primarily as spirit guides, sometimes also in physical matter. It
Speaker 2: takes them a tremendous amount of energy to become physical,
Speaker 2: so they don't often do it, but they do on occasion,
Speaker 2: and they have to. They have done that to save
Speaker 2: my life on a few occasions. So that's a big
Speaker 2: part of why I'm talking to you, is because they
Speaker 2: made themselves three D for long enough to help me
Speaker 2: with something, you know, to help get me through something.
Speaker 1: Oh go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't don't hear about them that much because
Speaker 2: not a lot of humans are incarnated from that source.
Speaker 2: The Ontarians are a true neutral party. They're not part
Speaker 2: of the Galactic Federation, although they do support all those
Speaker 2: other groups, the ones that we hear about more, you know,
Speaker 2: Pleadeans and Syrians and Arctarians, and yeah, much love to
Speaker 2: all of those groups. The Ontarians are are more of
Speaker 2: an independent civilization. They don't serve good or evil. They're
Speaker 2: completely beyond those kinds of distinctions, you know, like the
Speaker 2: Federation groups are serving good, and the Orions and the
Speaker 2: draco are mostly serving evil. And there's that whole drama,
Speaker 2: which I do appreciate and obviously I have been part of.
Speaker 2: But the Ontarians basically don't touch any of that karma
Speaker 2: drama stuff. They're on a higher level and every being
Speaker 2: needs them in order to incarnate on planet Earth. They
Speaker 2: have a very intimate relationship with the birth cycle. Ontario's
Speaker 2: is kind of the birth canal. It's like households move
Speaker 2: into the earthplane. So everybody needs that, like the good,
Speaker 2: the evil, the indifferent, they all have to use the
Speaker 2: birth canal of Antaras, and so it's a neutral space.
Speaker 2: It's a space which all parties, regardless of orientation, understand
Speaker 2: to be so fundamental to life that it basically can't
Speaker 2: be tampered with.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's beautiful, and I don't know that I've
Speaker 1: ever actually heard that before. And it would make sense
Speaker 1: that certain groups have are assigned specific roles in the
Speaker 1: human experience. And when you say that, a few occasions
Speaker 1: they've incarnated or manifested physically, what did they look like.
Speaker 1: Did they come in the form of a human or
Speaker 1: did they have a very specific look or what.
Speaker 2: There are a couple of main groups. One group is
Speaker 2: dog headed, so they're humanoids with dog heads, kind of
Speaker 2: like Anubis, the Egyptian god Anubis, which is part of
Speaker 2: I was also part of Project Ivis, and I was
Speaker 2: Anubis was my avatar, so you know, they had some
Speaker 2: insight into who I was at a soul level to
Speaker 2: use me in that way. So basically, these jackal beings,
Speaker 2: these Anubis type creatures, jackal is still my heart animal,
Speaker 2: my spirit animal, and there's a very strong connection there.
Speaker 2: There's you know, the the energy pattern of the jackal
Speaker 2: is very reminiscent of the Ontarian heart. So that's one
Speaker 2: thread other times they'll show up as insectoids, commonly manteds,
Speaker 2: sometimes ants or things in between, kind of an ant
Speaker 2: mantis hybrid and very very benevolent, very intelligent, a little
Speaker 2: bit similar to the ants on Mars that you know,
Speaker 2: other survivors have talked about and that I've seen. But
Speaker 2: but they've had millions, billions more years of evolution, so
Speaker 2: they're they're in a very different place. But physically, usually
Speaker 2: they'll come in either this kind of dog headed form
Speaker 2: or this insectoid form, or just as orbs, which is
Speaker 2: just the generic way that we see higher beings a
Speaker 2: lot of the time, you know.
Speaker 1: So what determines which form they choose. I'm very curious
Speaker 1: about this because that somebody that can be confusing. You're
Speaker 1: talking about this Anubis type of dog being and then insectoids,
Speaker 1: but they're being the same race.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same, it's the same basic frequency. So well,
Speaker 2: this gets really meta, but it kind of.
Speaker 1: Started off that way. So yeah, yeah, we get.
Speaker 3: That, we get we go everywhere on the show.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that so much. Well, every star has its
Speaker 2: harmonics for the forms of life that it can support.
Speaker 2: You know, our son's soul is incredibly diverse, like he
Speaker 2: supports all sorts of crazy life forms. We have star
Speaker 2: seeded life forms from just about everywhere in many, many universes,
Speaker 2: you know, showing up in our systems, showing up on Earth.
Speaker 2: Most star systems are a little less diverse in the
Speaker 2: forms that will show up there. So Ataras is a
Speaker 2: binary star system. There's atars A and B. A is
Speaker 2: a big red star and B is a small blue star.
Speaker 2: Part of it depends on how they're relating to the
Speaker 2: frequency of the star that they come from. So most
Speaker 2: of my people are from Atara's B and so they'll
Speaker 2: primarily use the dog headed forms. And well, that was
Speaker 2: a great lead up, But I don't know if I
Speaker 2: actually understand the specific like reasons for the choice in
Speaker 2: the moment. I just know that's how they've showed up,
Speaker 2: and they've told me that it has to do with
Speaker 2: the harmonics of the stars.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that's very interesting. I mean, I love
Speaker 1: the I love where you're coming at this from because
Speaker 1: it's such a deeper perspective, right and yet like understanding
Speaker 1: the frequencies involved in that, like basically anything's possible. They don't,
Speaker 1: it's not, it's not finite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I guess the other I guess the last
Speaker 2: part of that was if they're coming from antaras a
Speaker 2: from the larger star, they're more likely to show up
Speaker 2: as mantids. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting. So then that that begs the question when somebody
Speaker 1: encounters a dog being or manted it doesn't specifically mean
Speaker 1: that they're from a you know, A or B place, right,
Speaker 1: It could be.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily Well, like humans, you know, we can be
Speaker 2: from anywhere. The human civilization is all across the universe.
Speaker 2: There are many many people that look like us. Just
Speaker 2: because they look like us doesn't mean they're from Earth,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the Stargate SG one series depicts
Speaker 1: that beautifully and found.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that Night Sky showed that, Amanda and I
Speaker 3: just watched a few months ago too. This guy comes
Speaker 3: through basically it looks like a jump gate, and he's
Speaker 3: a human, but he's from some planet many many light
Speaker 3: years away, and and he speaks English, but like the
Speaker 3: language they're they're taught Latin on his planet, which I think,
Speaker 3: I think it's like pure disclosure, like you know, so
Speaker 3: much like we see in sci fi is like straight
Speaker 3: up just pure disclosure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh I could also say, on the physical level, I'm
Speaker 2: hybridized with alpha Centauri humans, so there are some slight
Speaker 2: differences that make me a little unusual on Earth, but
Speaker 2: I'd be very average by alpha Centaurian standards. So there's
Speaker 2: that connection.
Speaker 1: Also, So antarian and Centaurian, yeah.
Speaker 2: Ontarian and alpha Centaurian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I just thought I've always heard that alpha
Speaker 1: Centaurians referred to as the Centaurians, So yeah, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 3: But real quick, the human format, like our format of itself,
Speaker 3: is that didn't start on this planet, so we are
Speaker 3: you could say, ets, you know, this is true that
Speaker 3: he came here along, you know, from all over the place,
Speaker 3: and some people say Lyra was really kind of the
Speaker 3: the birthplace of the modern human.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And one of the things in Targate that I
Speaker 1: find interesting too is so they'll go discover a new
Speaker 1: planet and there'll be a humans humans on that planet
Speaker 1: that actually they've learned originated on Earth from like the
Speaker 1: Hebrides Islanders Islands or something, and they have like this name,
Speaker 1: but they don't even know that that's where they're from.
Speaker 1: And it's to me that's such a random, weird, unique
Speaker 1: detail to include in a show, unless there's some that's
Speaker 1: actually the truth, right, Yeah, So they're encountering people who
Speaker 1: have actually originated on Earth some time ago and now
Speaker 1: have forgotten who they are, and they're on this other planet,
Speaker 1: don't even under they have no awareness that their origins
Speaker 1: are tied to Earth. So there's so many situations like that.
Speaker 1: That's one example. Like I don't think we can fathom
Speaker 1: the complexity of what's actually going on.
Speaker 2: Probably not, and that's why we're here to try to
Speaker 2: fathom it.
Speaker 1: Right. So you're talking about you know, you like the
Speaker 1: hell people heal you say healing age regressions and distortions.
Speaker 1: When you say healing age regressions, what does that mean?
Speaker 2: Well, I work with a lot of people who are
Speaker 2: up there in the secret Space program somewhere having a
Speaker 2: parallel life experience or having a parallel timeline experience. It's
Speaker 2: a very, sadly, very common thing that a lot of
Speaker 2: people deal with, mostly unconsciously. The vast majority of super
Speaker 2: soldiers are dealing with this on an unconscious level. But
Speaker 2: for those who are working through it consciously and want
Speaker 2: to ground and have some insight and disconnect from all
Speaker 2: those kind of false realities collapse, Those timelines. That's something
Speaker 2: I help people with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, so and but okay, so the age regressions,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm specifically wondering what you mean by healing
Speaker 1: from the oh yeah diression. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, there are some distortions of the physical and the
Speaker 2: emotional and mental bodies that happen when someone's been age regressed.
Speaker 2: In terms of concrete outward symbols, a lot of us
Speaker 2: have autoimmune disorders. This is a very very common thing
Speaker 2: in the SSP community because the time regression technology tends
Speaker 2: to create those things. The body has its ways of
Speaker 2: aligning to the present time continuum, and when you drag
Speaker 2: people outside of that continuum, all sorts of untoward physical, emotional,
Speaker 2: mental things happen. So I guess I'm speaking to some
Speaker 2: of those, particularly emotional distortions. Those are some of the
Speaker 2: ones that I feel particularly skilled in clearing because of
Speaker 2: the Ontarian connection. Basically, the ontarians, as I was saying,
Speaker 2: are serving as sort of the mother archetype for this
Speaker 2: entire system. So I have a lot of that nurturing
Speaker 2: mother energy and that comes through the Great Mother can
Speaker 2: pretty much heal anything on any level of experience. So
Speaker 2: that's the primary medicine that moves through me, and it
Speaker 2: works for all kinds of things. It doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be secret space programmed people. But it's especially
Speaker 2: relevant when you're so dissociated and like, you know, all
Speaker 2: these things just don't work to heal because you know
Speaker 2: the connections to the other timelines are not being understood
Speaker 2: very well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, So ultimately you're helping people recover from the I
Speaker 1: D associated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the more local level of consciousness, yes, the
Speaker 2: I D is a big one. Most the things I've
Speaker 2: been talking about so far are are well beyond d
Speaker 2: I D. But yes, also even if someone just has
Speaker 2: just just has ritual abuse and one timeline of experience
Speaker 2: and has d I D, that's also something that I
Speaker 2: help people with. Sometimes it's really hard to get help
Speaker 2: with d I D because the professional associate that deal
Speaker 2: with it are so infiltrated by the satanic perpetrators. I Mean,
Speaker 2: there are some good d ID resources out there, but
Speaker 2: they're so careful to never talk about richual abuse. It's very,
Speaker 2: very frustrating. But yeah, most of the time, there's a
Speaker 2: very direct connection between someone having survived trauma based mind
Speaker 2: control and someone having d I d I've touched on
Speaker 2: this in some of my other interviews a little bit,
Speaker 2: and I'm happy to go more into that if it
Speaker 2: feels alive.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just more or less. I think you
Speaker 1: answered it fairly enough. But I want to also touch
Speaker 1: on something you just said, people having I guess physical
Speaker 1: ailments that are directly related to the programs or a
Speaker 1: result of an age regression, which I think we know
Speaker 1: what just happened with James Rink and that's very sad,
Speaker 1: but I think that's a perfect example of somebody who
Speaker 1: has gone through that and the physical ailments. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a byproduct of his time in the programs, and
Speaker 1: you know, we don't consider that enough because we're over
Speaker 1: here trying to heal ourselves right and not understanding the
Speaker 1: root cause. So we're having no luck. In many cases,
Speaker 1: people don't understand why they can't overcome something, but that's
Speaker 1: because they've literally been disconnected from the root cause of that,
Speaker 1: which might have happened on another timeline, or it might
Speaker 1: be a result from an age regression. Technology sometime we
Speaker 1: don't consider and it makes so much sense, it makes
Speaker 1: so much sense.
Speaker 3: Or even the super soldier aspects, I would imagine that
Speaker 3: would take a massive toll maybe as well.
Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah, I mean they juice you up really really
Speaker 2: badly when you're in those programs. I mean you're on
Speaker 2: so many like steroids and stimulants and like all kinds
Speaker 2: of intoxicants, and then like people present with these things
Speaker 2: in their bodies and they're like, well, I've never used
Speaker 2: steroids in this lifetime, but right, obviously there's some there's
Speaker 2: some bleed through from these other their experiences.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And I think that that's also a
Speaker 1: great point, Like you have things in your body, like
Speaker 1: many abductees will have radiation poison, but they've never been
Speaker 1: as exposed to radiation. Like this makes no sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's just, like I guess, an the easier way
Speaker 1: to understand it, because that's that's something that's very I
Speaker 1: guess it's been tracked. I mean, it's been documented. I
Speaker 1: guess you could say many people have had including myself.
Speaker 1: I've woken up with basically radiation sickness.
Speaker 2: And yes, I have died from radiation burns many times, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: and I've been put in the regen tank. If they
Speaker 2: have enough of your brain stem left, they can put
Speaker 2: you in the regen tank. I've also just been regressed
Speaker 2: out of some of those death experiences and starting all
Speaker 2: over again as a toddler. So yeah, unfortunately, I know
Speaker 2: how that feels. So I used to have recurring dreams
Speaker 2: of dying of radiation point, like over and over again,
Speaker 2: and it took me a very long time to understand, like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's like part of my literal life, and I want
Speaker 2: to integrate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, So you at the beginning you said
Speaker 1: there's two versions of you, one born in nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: and the other one in eighty six. But that would
Speaker 1: technically mean that your actual first or this incarnation on
Speaker 1: earth that when we're talking now, technically happened in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy and then it just got sucked right back into
Speaker 1: eighty six. So that would make you fifteen years sixteen
Speaker 1: years older than you actually are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's basically true. Although this is not the original body,
Speaker 2: this is the second body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, So I'm saying, like, I think
Speaker 1: that happens more than we realize, because like you feel
Speaker 1: like an old soul and a young body. Yes, And
Speaker 1: I'm I'm only saying this because this is what has
Speaker 1: been brought up to my attention session that I had
Speaker 1: one time that I was I incarnated. My first incarnation
Speaker 1: on earth occurred in Venice, Florida in nineteen sixty six,
Speaker 1: and then I was whatever taken into this program for
Speaker 1: twenty years, and at the end of that twenty years,
Speaker 1: instead of coming back, I went into another body, which
Speaker 1: was my mother gave birth to And it's like really confusing,
Speaker 1: but in a way it made so much sense to
Speaker 1: me because I've always felt like, literally like twenty years older.
Speaker 1: All my friends are older than I am, they always
Speaker 1: have been, you know, you just kind of you have
Speaker 1: this wisdom that people your age don't typically have, and
Speaker 1: so I think it just having discussions about things like
Speaker 1: that being possible might help somebody who's listening to this
Speaker 1: understand and maybe they won't feel so crazy for being
Speaker 1: a specific way, you know.
Speaker 2: Definitely, yeah, I do feel mentally more like my original age,
Speaker 2: which would be about fifty six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And then how does your body feel? Does
Speaker 1: your body feel like fifty six? Because that's what I
Speaker 1: deal with.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so grateful for this body. It's been so
Speaker 2: forgiving of so many horrible things, and my guides have
Speaker 2: intervened on many levels with this body. So basically they
Speaker 2: my guides, have told me that I would be in
Speaker 2: terrible shape if it wasn't for their ongoing support, So
Speaker 2: I do rely on their support. They've worked miracles with
Speaker 2: this body, and I'm very grateful for that. So most
Speaker 2: days it does feel like the birth certificate age, which
Speaker 2: is thirty eight, thirty nine something like that. Right now,
Speaker 2: I mostly.
Speaker 1: Feel like that.
Speaker 2: Of course, you know, part of the journey of maturity
Speaker 2: is that you're always getting into your full power, and
Speaker 2: your life force increases as you age. You know, if
Speaker 2: you're aging with consciousness, your life force increases, and it's
Speaker 2: possible that the body can can hold a lot more
Speaker 2: life force as you age, So it's kind of the
Speaker 2: opposite of the usual aging paradigm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a lot more control over that once
Speaker 1: you have that awareness, and like you mentioned when you
Speaker 1: sent me, consciousness blending, so it's also understanding that, like
Speaker 1: there's other aspects of you that need to be integrated,
Speaker 1: and having that understanding can help you stay youthful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it helps very much, and sometimes it's especially helpful
Speaker 2: ford ID systems because usually when we have that experience.
Speaker 2: Most of those altars are going to be pretty young,
Speaker 2: you know, even if they're presenting as adults. Like nine
Speaker 2: times out of ten when I go into a certain
Speaker 2: altar and the person is like, oh, I think that
Speaker 2: person's an adult. Almost all the time when we go
Speaker 2: into it, it's actually a child and it needs to
Speaker 2: be related to as a child. So it can be
Speaker 2: very helpful ford ID systems to remember the transcendence of age,
Speaker 2: and it helps us respect ourselves as survivors because those
Speaker 2: parts are just they're they're a lot younger than they appear, right,
Speaker 2: And that's especially true in the in the space programs
Speaker 2: when you've been age progressed, you know, because you can
Speaker 2: be age progressed going the other way, made older, and
Speaker 2: you're basically operating with the child's degree of emotional maturity
Speaker 2: in a body that's like a fully mature adult.
Speaker 1: So there's actually Andrew Bishago I think has the best
Speaker 1: testimony of age progression. He describes it well. He isn't
Speaker 1: very he's articulate anyway, and he has an incredible memory,
Speaker 1: but he's experienced age progression and he was, in fact
Speaker 1: whenever they were I guess experimenting on him with that technology.
Speaker 1: They put him in a room with like children's books
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but he was an adult because
Speaker 1: they had to like the mind had to catch up, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they did that because he had to I guess,
Speaker 1: go through you know, the Montoc time Tunnel or whatever
Speaker 1: it was, wherever they were sending him with whatever time
Speaker 1: travel technology they had. That he had to be an
Speaker 1: adult for that mission, right to fit in or blend in.
Speaker 1: So he has a really really interesting testimony surrounding that,
Speaker 1: and I don't I hardly hear people talk about age progression. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm glad I brought you up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also went through that experience on a few occasions,
Speaker 2: mostly in clone bodies. So I've also had experiences outside
Speaker 2: of the two people that I've mentioned, where my consciousness
Speaker 2: was moved into clone bodies and those get age progressed
Speaker 2: really quickly, you know, because they basically they need to
Speaker 2: turn an infant into a soldier, like very very fast,
Speaker 2: so they'll do It's very common with clone bodies to
Speaker 2: do that. Progression can be even more debilitating than regression sometimes,
Speaker 2: but with clone bodies, they don't care, you know, whenever
Speaker 2: that clone dies, they might regent it, or they might
Speaker 2: just put you back in your organic body, so they
Speaker 2: don't really care what's happening on more subtle levels.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, we did a webinar and cloning, and
Speaker 1: that was talked about that you know your age progress,
Speaker 1: somebody the age twenty right, and in fact it creates
Speaker 1: a specific type of anger and anxiety within that being
Speaker 1: which makes them more susceptible to your mind control and
Speaker 1: become they want to be a soldier because they're angry
Speaker 1: and they'll fight, they'll fight.
Speaker 2: For you, Yes, exactly. They they really, the perpetrators really
Speaker 2: value people in anybody that are in an adrenalized state
Speaker 2: already and have emotions that are easily turned against this,
Speaker 2: against the person manipulated. Yeah, that's just they eat that up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how much of you, how much of this
Speaker 1: would you say, is you in this lifetime healing ancestral
Speaker 1: karma or or ancestral just healing and ancral lineage?
Speaker 2: Definitely some of this is for my biological lineage because
Speaker 2: they did go down such dark pathways. They've been Satanists
Speaker 2: for a very long time. My biological ancestors a long
Speaker 2: time ago, they were Jewish, they converted to Catholicism in
Speaker 2: the Middle Ages, but you know, they've had a front
Speaker 2: religion the whole time. But basically they've been Luciferian Satanists,
Speaker 2: like going back for a very long time. So there
Speaker 2: is a lot of personal family karma to clear and
Speaker 2: that is part of the mission here. I do a
Speaker 2: lot of that on my own. Some of my ancestors
Speaker 2: are helpful. Sometimes my ancestors are on their own healing journeys,
Speaker 2: which I which I judge to be slower than mine. Uh,
Speaker 2: but they but they do continue. You know, we're all
Speaker 2: going towards the light in one way or another.
Speaker 1: Yes, and interestingly enough, I don't know if you there
Speaker 1: it is again.
Speaker 3: I've seen more than that. Yes, there's been a bunch.
Speaker 1: And they're very prominent. Yeah, it could be like well
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, there's another one, another one just yeah,
Speaker 1: just they just showed up and they you know, these
Speaker 1: higher dimensional beings. They're everywhere on your screen. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: as orbs. It could be wow, highway just open up
Speaker 1: and can you stand them on your screen? Yeah? Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean Elandra.
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm not I'm not seeing them physically, I can
Speaker 2: I can sense them though, yeaheah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's wild. Like when you watch this replay,
Speaker 1: you have to whatever min in Mark we're at we
Speaker 1: you have to you should Okay, you should check that out. No,
Speaker 1: because I think I think this what everybody coming forward
Speaker 1: now with these memories and sharing their stories or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think it's a sign of the times that this
Speaker 1: planet is experiencing a massive shift because it seems that
Speaker 1: everyone in this incarnation is here to end a cycle.
Speaker 1: There's another orb they're just flying around there crazy, but
Speaker 1: I feel like they're here to end that karmic cycle. Right,
Speaker 1: It's been going on generation after generation and then where
Speaker 1: the green that chose to incarnate to break free? And
Speaker 1: I think that's self evident at this point if you
Speaker 1: listen to all these testimonies, why now, Why in this
Speaker 1: era and not so much before. Maybe certain people were
Speaker 1: breaking out earlier, but right now that's the theme.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, we on Earth are resolving the karma of
Speaker 2: many times in places, many nations, many locations. A lot
Speaker 2: of us who have the Secret Space Program experience are
Speaker 2: resolving millennia of societal conflict from Orion, from the Orion Wars,
Speaker 2: you know, from the Lyron Wars, we're metabolizing that through
Speaker 2: this present lifetime, through our present bodies. Like this is
Speaker 2: massive collective stuff that's going on through each of us individually.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, which is why things are so intense mm
Speaker 3: hmm on this play right now. It makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it really does. And what is your opinion,
Speaker 1: you know, zooming out and looking at the world stage
Speaker 1: right now and where we're at, Like a lot of
Speaker 1: people believe that we're you know, entering into this higher
Speaker 1: timeline you can call the Golden Age or whatever. But
Speaker 1: then there's the other side of that coin where people
Speaker 1: think our ascension. Yeah, then there's the other side of
Speaker 1: that coin where people are mistaking the chaos for darkness
Speaker 1: and doom and gloom.
Speaker 3: New world order enslavement and we're all screwed no matter what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's a valid it's a valid perspective to have,
Speaker 1: especially if you don't really if you're not having discussions
Speaker 1: like this, which requires an understanding that most people don't have, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: because we've just been born into this program with amnesia.
Speaker 1: So what do you see occurring right now? Do you
Speaker 1: really think we are on this ascension timeline?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: I think it's all true, Yes, it's all of the above, Yeah.
Speaker 1: All of the above. Please.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very hopeful time, and it's still a
Speaker 2: very very dark time, you know, like we're being dragged
Speaker 2: down into just the depths of depravity by the whole
Speaker 2: just you know, nsay Facebook complex of things, which is
Speaker 2: just like the dragging people into the dumbest possible version
Speaker 2: of humanity, like that stuff that's obviously happening. At the
Speaker 2: same time, people are more and more resistant to manipulation
Speaker 2: and more and more in touch with their true spirit bodies.
Speaker 2: I mean, so many people are just spontaneously waking up
Speaker 2: now without any you know, traditional spiritual practice. They're just like, well, okay,
Speaker 2: wake up one morning and realize, oh, I'm having a
Speaker 2: parallel experience in the Seria system. Oh wow, right, or
Speaker 2: they're you know, they're getting there however they get there,
Speaker 2: maybe plant medicine or whatever works for people. But I'm
Speaker 2: seeing a lot more of that, which is very very encouraging.
Speaker 2: You know, the more of us that are tuned in
Speaker 2: and turned on, the more we can resist the death
Speaker 2: agenda and the Instagram agenda, which just like you know,
Speaker 2: move into our sovereignty and our free So yeah, that's
Speaker 2: my version of all of the above.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and real quick, I'm want to say, I think,
Speaker 3: you know, I get I totally get the it's you know,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like the truth or general mindset of
Speaker 3: they're only looking at information and things look really scary
Speaker 3: from that level. And I get it. And I was
Speaker 3: more there years ago, and I until you have a
Speaker 3: greater perspective, like everything you're talking about in a more spiritual,
Speaker 3: grounded state of being in perspective, you're not really going
Speaker 3: to understand there of what's going on, right, and it's
Speaker 3: going to look really scary. And I get why they
Speaker 3: can you know, you're like, oh my god, we're all
Speaker 3: there's nothing you can do. They have all the power
Speaker 3: and we're just and it's like, well, actually, I think
Speaker 3: it's the exact opposite. I think we have all the power,
Speaker 3: but you got to tap into that. And that's what
Speaker 3: the awakening in the Ascension is is like we are
Speaker 3: coming online naturally and organically, and there's going to be
Speaker 3: a certain point where, you know, and right now we're
Speaker 3: on the chaotic phase of the turmoil and chaos of
Speaker 3: the transition from the old to the new, and the
Speaker 3: old's trying to hang on for dear life, and then
Speaker 3: people's karmos are playing out and everyone's getting triggered, and
Speaker 3: there's all this stuff happening all at the same time,
Speaker 3: which is why it's so intense. But ultimately, we have
Speaker 3: all the power, and we are creating We are creating reality.
Speaker 3: We are co creating it. Yes, we just have to
Speaker 3: wake up and do that consciously instead of being manipulated
Speaker 3: to create someone else's reality. That doesn't serve us, right.
Speaker 3: So that's the hope I have is that the more
Speaker 3: and more things, the farther we go, the more the
Speaker 3: marketing is going to go along, and the more we're
Speaker 3: going to naturally start creating a reality we actually want
Speaker 3: to create, and then it's going to be one that
Speaker 3: serves everyone. And that's a lot more beautiful.
Speaker 1: Amen a women, Yeah, you know, And that's like a
Speaker 1: great reminder too. You know, if we are that much
Speaker 1: in control of our reality, then why aren't we much
Speaker 1: more intentional about where we put our focus and what
Speaker 1: choices we make every day as far as our diet
Speaker 1: meaning everything food, our social media, television, who you hang
Speaker 1: out with, you know, And I'm talking to myself here too,
Speaker 1: because we sometimes we all kind of we aren't so
Speaker 1: intentional with the things that we do, and we find
Speaker 1: ourselves slipping into an autopilot mode or something and we're
Speaker 1: just kind of going through the motions. But if you
Speaker 1: and then we'll find ourselves in a situation like, man,
Speaker 1: how did this happen to me? Well, you know, at
Speaker 1: some point along the line, you made an unconscious choice
Speaker 1: to do something that wasn't your serving your highest timeline.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think being self aware, like hyper
Speaker 1: self aware right now about everything you do, even every
Speaker 1: thought that you have, can actually help manifest the reality
Speaker 1: that you want to see. And it's actually very possible.
Speaker 1: And most people aren't doing that, and that's not their
Speaker 1: fault because we're constantly distracted.
Speaker 3: And we prog from one to not do that. It's
Speaker 3: not the easiest thing to get to there, but once
Speaker 3: you do, it's like, you know, there's a point I
Speaker 3: feel like you get to in your growth, in your
Speaker 3: awakening where suddenly you're you're enough in your sovereignty you
Speaker 3: can't really be manipulated in the same way where I
Speaker 3: see a lot of people getting to that point more
Speaker 3: than I've ever I mean, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: I call my awakening. I happened in twenty twelve, but
Speaker 3: like it was years after that where I feel like
Speaker 3: I got to that point where I really grew enough
Speaker 3: spiritually and to where I'm like, Okay, I get it now,
Speaker 3: Like I get what's going on here, and I think
Speaker 3: I get why I'm here, you know, right, Yeah, fe
Speaker 3: like more and more people are getting there.
Speaker 2: This might be a good moment to mention that I
Speaker 2: host meditation groups and the group vibe is really great.
Speaker 2: I have a really good time with it. I love
Speaker 2: the people that show up. We do a lot of
Speaker 2: good light work, a lot of good healing, and my
Speaker 2: part of it is basically guided meditation with my whole council.
Speaker 2: So sometimes it's me talking and sometimes it's the other
Speaker 2: higher aspects talking. But yeah, those are gatherings that really
Speaker 2: nourish me and I hope nourish other people. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I just want to mention those.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well yeah that's important too. I mean, so yeah,
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about what you do as
Speaker 1: far as helping people here. I know we talked about
Speaker 1: it earlier, but like you do these meditations and all
Speaker 1: this stuff, like what like you today? This has obviously
Speaker 1: everything that you've gone through has shaped you into the
Speaker 1: person we're talking to, and what you have to offer
Speaker 1: now is directly a result of your experience. And I
Speaker 1: think that's huge because it's a perfect example, and you're
Speaker 1: showing people like listen, like you can play victim to
Speaker 1: this and perpetuate it, or you can like find a
Speaker 1: way out and help people. So I guess give us
Speaker 1: a little more of a well rounded pick oh idea
Speaker 1: of what you do? Oh?
Speaker 2: Sure, well, A lot of a lot of what I
Speaker 2: do is based in storytelling. A lot of my Earth
Speaker 2: incarnations have been as a storytell Most cultures have this
Speaker 2: role in a more direct, obvious way. Of course, this
Speaker 2: is what we're all three of us doing in a
Speaker 2: way here. But I've had a lot of lifetimes where
Speaker 2: I was the village storyteller and I would go around
Speaker 2: and you know, spinning yarn for people. Other lifetimes where
Speaker 2: I was the shaman figure and I had my hut
Speaker 2: outside the village and people would come from the village
Speaker 2: to get spirit medicine or whatever. I just bring those
Speaker 2: things up because those go into what I'm presently doing.
Speaker 2: It's a storytelling exercise. It's also a shamanic exercise, and
Speaker 2: we have different levels of perception and assistance going on.
Speaker 2: The Ontarians are the highest level that I have consistent
Speaker 2: access to. There are many many higher levels. I'm not
Speaker 2: placing any limitation on it, but often the Ontarians are
Speaker 2: working through me. They are again in divine feminine consciousness,
Speaker 2: so it's got us awareness in a very direct sense.
Speaker 2: It's one of the pillars of what I'm offering, which
Speaker 2: is also alignment with Gaya. Gaia is our local goddess,
Speaker 2: you know, of our human experience, the most obvious goddess
Speaker 2: that we owe our entire lives too. So those are
Speaker 2: the two main kind of entry points into a greater
Speaker 2: story and entrance into spirit that I use kind of
Speaker 2: from the eighth dimensional goddess level, and then from the
Speaker 2: ground up from the Gaya goddess level. That's my main
Speaker 2: inspiration and my main service. And then within that points
Speaker 2: in between, lots of stuff comes up. We work with dragons,
Speaker 2: we work with angels, we work with all sorts of
Speaker 2: other et beings. I have a very strong Syrian presence
Speaker 2: who comes through quite a lot more six density Syrian presence,
Speaker 2: and we work on those in between levels, you know,
Speaker 2: for D five d levels.
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, and you must be doing something right because
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I've
Speaker 1: seen at least one hundred orbs or more.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just they're just increasing in frequency now, Like.
Speaker 1: It's extremely it's very impressive. Like we don't see this
Speaker 1: very often, not that many. Yeah, it's happened before, you know, occasionally,
Speaker 1: But you're I mean, there's something going on around you
Speaker 1: right now that is very interesting, multi dimensional for sure,
Speaker 1: which could be the these groups of these beings that
Speaker 1: you're talking about, your guides, Like they could just be
Speaker 1: here like supporting and showing themselves. Like okay, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like this is what the future looks like. We
Speaker 1: talk about these things for so long, and now we're
Speaker 1: going to literally start gaining more evidence of they're going
Speaker 1: to be more tangible, more perceivable. This way, it's not
Speaker 1: such a stretch to believe what you're talking about because
Speaker 1: the actual evidence is literally floating around behind.
Speaker 3: You while you're talking, right, literally floating.
Speaker 2: That definitely helps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, but do you agree with that, Like we're
Speaker 1: like like these antarians like showing up in physical form.
Speaker 1: We say, it takes a lot for them to do, so.
Speaker 3: It does well.
Speaker 1: The orbs.
Speaker 2: The orbs are pretty low effort. Any anybody can do
Speaker 2: an ORB, you know. It's just like, oh, here's here's
Speaker 2: something in your visual field to make you feel more valid,
Speaker 2: Like that's that's one of the easiest manifestations around. So yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes it's the ontarians, sometimes it's other ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So do you think the ORB is them projecting
Speaker 1: their consciousness or what is that? Or is it mercabo
Speaker 1: traveling light body?
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's those things. I'd say the most common is
Speaker 2: they're just stimulating the fabric of our visual space time
Speaker 2: so that it's glowing, Like they're just like making our
Speaker 2: reality sparkle a little bit, is the most common one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then but then obviously there are much more involved
Speaker 2: visitations where you might have like a full on Maricaba
Speaker 2: form or something like that.
Speaker 3: Like you're saying, yeah, and I have heard many experiencers
Speaker 3: or contactees or whatever say that the being first came
Speaker 3: to them in an ORB and then it transformed from
Speaker 3: an ORB to a being and then back to an
Speaker 3: orb and fluid you know. Yeah, yeah, so I've heard
Speaker 3: that many times. So there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said the easiest thing form to manifest. So
Speaker 1: the way I perceive it is even like I always
Speaker 1: wonder even if a remote viewer is creating an ORB
Speaker 1: whenever they project their consciousness to our location, and somebody
Speaker 1: in that room could literally identify an ORB that is
Speaker 1: your consciousness remote bearing is do Do you think that's how
Speaker 1: it works?
Speaker 2: Uh? Sometimes it works like that. Yeah, I mean, the
Speaker 2: astral body is way more fluid than the physical body.
Speaker 2: It can take many forms. A point it could be
Speaker 2: a point of light, or it could be a fly
Speaker 2: buzzing around the room. You know, there's really no limitation
Speaker 2: on that. But yeah, I think I think a point
Speaker 2: of light is just one of the most practical, universal
Speaker 2: applications of consciousness that exists.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, no, it's it's absolutely fascinating. I'm still kind
Speaker 1: of getting distracted by these orbs, but yeah, well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's so cool. But I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just something that you don't see every day. I know
Speaker 1: happens all the time, but to capture it on a
Speaker 1: camera like this, it's just really cool. So I hope
Speaker 1: everyone watching, if you're listening to the audio version that
Speaker 1: has come tune in because it's really something to see honestly.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, so as far as okay, this is you
Speaker 1: brought up the astral body and stuff. And something that
Speaker 1: I noticed especially that has been prominent in my journey
Speaker 1: is dream warfare, right yeah, And what can happen in
Speaker 1: the dream state? Are these dream societies is a new
Speaker 1: one I've heard. So it's like these secret societies that
Speaker 1: are in the astronom or the dream world. Have you
Speaker 1: encountered a lot of that, And like, I think that's
Speaker 1: a whole other layer to this that needs to be
Speaker 1: taken much more seriously.
Speaker 2: Definitely, Yeah, dream warfare is well very often, especially with
Speaker 2: SSP survivors, they're not strictly dreams, you know, they're also
Speaker 2: they're also just direct perceptions of physical events, So there's
Speaker 2: that aspect, and then just in a in a more
Speaker 2: poetic sense, it's always good to pay attention to dreams
Speaker 2: like they're they're always full of wisdom and light and
Speaker 2: power or where you're denying your self power, you know,
Speaker 2: they're always a window into the subconscious. Dreams are the
Speaker 2: most common example that I bring up if somebody asks,
Speaker 2: like what's fourth density? What's the next density? Dreams are
Speaker 2: the first thing that I always talk about, you know,
Speaker 2: because it's just easy for everyone. We've all had some
Speaker 2: sort of dream and it gives us, even if we
Speaker 2: have no experience with meditation or whatever, it gives us
Speaker 2: an introduction to the astral realms, which is very concrete
Speaker 2: and a bit of understanding about how those realms work,
Speaker 2: you know, how things how fluid things are, and dreams.
Speaker 2: So I see those as a really useful portal and
Speaker 2: introduction to a lot of different realms. But then, yeah,
Speaker 2: specifically warfare, there's a lot of warfare over our dreams. Uh,
Speaker 2: there are false dreams that are given to us with
Speaker 2: malicious technology. A friend of mine calls them wi Fi dreams,
Speaker 2: Like like she she'll always sleep with the Wi Fi
Speaker 2: off because if she if she has it on, she'll
Speaker 2: like have dreams about negative zetas. Like Okay, I mean
Speaker 2: not everybody is that sensitive to that stuff, obviously, but
Speaker 2: our dreams are fought over just as surely as these
Speaker 2: three D lives are fought over.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah, that's really makes it. I think
Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. But also I think what people
Speaker 1: need to understand is it's not just always spiritual, Like
Speaker 1: there are actual corporations agencies that have technology that or
Speaker 1: even psionic abilities that people can literally project themselves into
Speaker 1: your dreams. And it doesn't mean that you're always going
Speaker 1: to encounter some demonic entity or some reptilian like you
Speaker 1: could be like you're dealing with some dude in a
Speaker 1: warehouse or in a basement somewhere, and like literally we
Speaker 1: can have it in your dreams and therefore that translates
Speaker 1: into your daily life. Therefore that weakens you and then
Speaker 1: like you become more susceptible. So understanding that there's technology
Speaker 1: involved too, and sometimes people call entity assisted technology. There's
Speaker 1: entities working in tandem with this stuff. It's very complicated,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this is scare anybody, but I've
Speaker 1: experienced this firsthand to the point where I've had to
Speaker 1: research it to understand what they're capable of it and
Speaker 1: what this game really looks like. And it's just something
Speaker 1: to be aware of, is all I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be in fear of it. But
Speaker 1: if you are having these experiences in the dream time
Speaker 1: and their negative, it could be a something as simple,
Speaker 1: like you said, cutting off whatever is, letting them into
Speaker 1: your home, allowing them to do that in the first place.
Speaker 2: M M. Another thing I might want to bring up
Speaker 2: in case other survivors are listening. There are a lot
Speaker 2: of screen dreams also, and things that come just from
Speaker 2: repetition and programming in childhood and adolescence. Like personally, I've
Speaker 2: been subjected to hundreds, maybe thousands of hours of just
Speaker 2: virtual reality crap and getting tortured in virtual reality and
Speaker 2: also having characters from media come in to cover up
Speaker 2: actual abuses. Like to this day, I will still have
Speaker 2: dreams that are totally saturated with Star Trek characters. And
Speaker 2: now I know to pay attention and look beyond that
Speaker 2: because that was a programming thing that was used on
Speaker 2: me when I was a kid, you know, in like
Speaker 2: the late eighties and nineties, when The Next Generation was
Speaker 2: on TV, Like they would literally like give me acid
Speaker 2: and sit me down like clockwork orange style with my
Speaker 2: eyelids open, like in front of marathon screenings of the
Speaker 2: Next Generation, and they would replace things like my actual experiences.
Speaker 2: They would try to replace them with these downloads from
Speaker 2: the show. And the show is pretty good. It's nothing
Speaker 2: against the show, no great, yeah, yeah, but like this
Speaker 2: is something I became very aware of when I started
Speaker 2: to get my memories back, like I would wake up
Speaker 2: in a cold sweat, but I couldn't describe anything concrete.
Speaker 2: I just had a dream about Star Trek characters, right,
Speaker 2: But if I meditated with it and let those false
Speaker 2: images start to dissolve, I could get to the actual
Speaker 2: picture of what was happening and why my body was
Speaker 2: reacting so violently. So, yeah, I just want to mention
Speaker 2: screen dreams and screen memories here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, taking a deeper look through that stuff is
Speaker 1: also important. I mean there's a whole other conversation that
Speaker 1: I've experienced that too.
Speaker 3: Well, many abductees and things have screen memories, and it
Speaker 3: seems like a lot of times they come from the
Speaker 3: Earth military, the deep state military, whatever that puts that
Speaker 3: in place over their actual other et abduction or contact
Speaker 3: because they don't want them. And then they're like, well,
Speaker 3: I always have this recurring dream of like an owl
Speaker 3: or of like a something else, whatever the screen is,
Speaker 3: and and it's not until they either a lot of
Speaker 3: times it's from having a hypnotic regression session where they realize,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is what actually happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I've had a lot of ones like that
Speaker 2: when I was a child, I had a recurring dream
Speaker 2: that there were these giant Muppet characters in my living room,
Speaker 2: like super recurring dream. It took it took so long
Speaker 2: to like get through that and like what is that
Speaker 2: hide thing? You know, just like ah, because the emotions
Speaker 2: were not like, oh, muppets, you know. The emotions were
Speaker 2: like horrible trauma emotions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it doesn't make sense until you get the
Speaker 3: real memories, yeah right.
Speaker 1: Or it's also normalizing something for your waking world, in
Speaker 1: your working world as far as Muppets or Star Trek
Speaker 1: or whatever that it could be used for programming in
Speaker 1: a strange way, you know, so they normalize it if
Speaker 1: you're dreaming about it and you see it, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just kind of I guess normalizing would
Speaker 1: be the best way. So they can use that as
Speaker 1: a tool for manipulation or whatever it is they're trying
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: But there's lots of good stuff that happens to through
Speaker 3: dreams as well. Yeah, oh yeah, so it's benevolenty contact
Speaker 3: starting to dreams or happens to dreams absolutely and your
Speaker 3: guides or you know, angels or whatever. So there's definitely
Speaker 3: a lot of both, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the benevolence far outweigh the benevolent the malevolence
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, I mean lots of premonitions and many things.
Speaker 1: You know, I've had beautiful experiences, and in fact, I
Speaker 1: think that you should like, yeah, I don't. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess this is a great point to make because I
Speaker 1: don't want to discourage people not to trust their dreams,
Speaker 1: because I think dreams, dreams is where are the real
Speaker 1: That's the real stuff. You know, that's where you get
Speaker 1: the real information. So absolutely trust it, but just know
Speaker 1: that you know there's just aware, just be aware. You know,
Speaker 1: we got a whole audience of ets. It's such a
Speaker 1: distracting thing trying to literally right now and then tire
Speaker 1: audience beings like I can't believe it. I'm still like
Speaker 1: it at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, I should say my my team and I
Speaker 2: are very available to work with people and to work
Speaker 2: with people in dreams specifically or just any time. But
Speaker 2: but I am known to materialize in people's dreams to
Speaker 2: do different light light work things. I'm usually not conscious
Speaker 2: personally of what they are, but it's almost always something
Speaker 2: really good. So I just want to say, I'm very
Speaker 2: available for that.
Speaker 1: How much? Yeah, that's and that's great. How much of this?
Speaker 1: How many people have you come across where you they're
Speaker 1: like really struggling, but you realize that a curse has
Speaker 1: been put on them? Is that something that comes up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that happens. Yeah, most of the time with my clients,
Speaker 2: it goes back to some sort of trauma based mind
Speaker 2: control thing most of the time.
Speaker 3: Not always.
Speaker 2: You know, there are curses that are just placed by individuals,
Speaker 2: you know, that are just out there. More organic curse
Speaker 2: work is definitely a thing. But in my case with
Speaker 2: my clients, typically when they start out talking about a curse,
Speaker 2: usually it leads directly into some trauma based mind control recovery.
Speaker 3: So that's interpreted as a curse. Yeah, I don't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense, right, Well, is there something that
Speaker 1: comes up a lot? And I do think that even
Speaker 1: like black magic, that's what that is, right, And like
Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, people can even unconsciously curse somebody
Speaker 1: without even understanding what they're doing with right.
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, yeah, but for but for a curse
Speaker 2: to really stick, it's got to have a little bit
Speaker 2: more dis intention in it. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I just
Speaker 2: was curious. It's something that came up with somebody in
Speaker 2: my life, and I just thoughted asking you.
Speaker 1: Oh sure in your sessions.
Speaker 2: Well, we're always happy to remove curses. This is uh yeah,
Speaker 2: that's part of our bread and butter activity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might have this person reach out to you
Speaker 1: directly after this, because they're looking right now, so cool,
Speaker 1: look looking for some help. So this has been This
Speaker 1: is a deep conversation. I mean it's quantum. We went
Speaker 1: out there. I mean we just dove straight in and
Speaker 1: I guess this isn't for the beginner, but that's perfectly okay.
Speaker 1: So if you made this far into the episode and
Speaker 1: you're listening to this, you know, we appreciate you sticking around.
Speaker 1: You amazing, this is yeah, you're amazing. This is some
Speaker 1: really deep stuff that we're covering. And it's hard to
Speaker 1: understand the things that we're bringing up like in a
Speaker 1: linear way, for one, because right off the bat, when
Speaker 1: you're talking about parallel lives and born in seventy and
Speaker 1: eighty six and two aspects of even body in the
Speaker 1: same avatar and all stuff, people are like whoa, whoa. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all these programs and abductions and all these things dream
Speaker 1: warfare and curasies. It's it sounds very over the top,
Speaker 1: overwhelming and confusing, but it's the reality of the situation,
Speaker 1: and until you start understanding the complexity of it, then
Speaker 1: that's the only time. That's when you can rise above it,
Speaker 1: because you have to know what you're up against. You know,
Speaker 1: we came here for this spiritual war to participate in this,
Speaker 1: and the only way to really take down your enemy
Speaker 1: is to know your enemy, right, not that we're trying
Speaker 1: to take them down, because they're going to do that
Speaker 1: to themselves, but to rise above it, you have to
Speaker 1: know what they're what they're capable of. And then and
Speaker 1: your orbs in the background are literally proof that, like
Speaker 1: your guides are with us all the time, and like
Speaker 1: your star family and everything they're they're around, and there's equally,
Speaker 1: if not more, positive things that you can tap into.
Speaker 1: It's just that the dark seems more apparent because it's
Speaker 1: being exposed right now, and they're doubling down because they're
Speaker 1: losing their grip and we know all that. So are
Speaker 1: there any final words you'd like to leave us with
Speaker 1: before we wrap up today?
Speaker 2: We are also loved. Love is the most infinite force
Speaker 2: in all creation. Everything is grounded in love. We are
Speaker 2: here because of love. All of the evil that we
Speaker 2: experience is just a fractal of love. Everything goes back
Speaker 2: to that beautiful.
Speaker 3: Absolutely beautiful, absolutely spot on.
Speaker 1: Yeah simple, it's just that simple. And let our audience
Speaker 1: know how they can find you. Your website and all this.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, Ontarian Journeys A N T A R
Speaker 2: E A N journeys dot com is my spirit work site.
Speaker 2: I have a YouTube channel. Some of my meditations are
Speaker 2: on there, and that's just my name. YouTube dot com,
Speaker 2: slash a laundro Markman all one word like it's on
Speaker 2: the screen. Those are the main places. I have some
Speaker 2: other projects, cooking. I have a lot of side projects,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if they're so relevant to the
Speaker 2: consciousness conversation. I write poetry on a portable typewriter. I
Speaker 2: have a website for that poetry upon request. I've got
Speaker 2: a video game channel. I've got different things nice, yeah,
Speaker 2: but mainly Ontarian journeys dot com and my YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: Yeah great, and you'll have to send me over those
Speaker 1: links and we'll put everything below. And yeah, thank you
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