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<v Speaker 1>Get ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirtieth day of January twenty twenty six, allegedly according to

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<v Speaker 2>that thing we call a calendar, And here's me going

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<v Speaker 2>live early on a Friday. And I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>try the experiment I have in mind for the Friday

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<v Speaker 2>night shows this week, but perhaps in two weeks we'll

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<v Speaker 2>try a little experiment and see we can improve communications.

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<v Speaker 2>But up until we start taking calls at eight pm Eastern,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a piece of JFK stuff to play for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not mine, and it was actually produced around

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<v Speaker 2>the thirtieth anniversary of the JFK assassination. Michael Parente wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the first to the only person to poke holes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>into the lone gunman theory, that's for sure, but he

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<v Speaker 2>took a different approach, and one that did shape quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of what it is. I thought afterwards. Thirtieth anniversary,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously is nineteen ninety three. I had been in for

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<v Speaker 2>about five years and was starting to get sophisticated enough

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<v Speaker 2>after studying the baseline evidence to begin looking at other

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<v Speaker 2>people's points of view.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Michael PARENTI will introduce it himself and explain it

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<v Speaker 2>himself in about a forty seven minute presentation here, so

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully we can fit the whole thing in before we

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<v Speaker 2>get to the live Friday night show.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been looking at history, and I've been impressed and

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<v Speaker 4>depressed by the fact that history is really a chronicle

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<v Speaker 4>of immense atrocities.

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<v Speaker 5>What we have in history is.

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<v Speaker 4>The fact that when surplus value develops, when there's more

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<v Speaker 4>than a subsistence economy, you have some portion of the

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<v Speaker 4>population that will do everything it can to enslave and

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<v Speaker 4>to expropriate the labor of the rest of the people,

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<v Speaker 4>whether it's a slave society as an ancient Greece and Rome,

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<v Speaker 4>or feudal society where people were reduced to serfs, or

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<v Speaker 4>in capitalist society where people are driven to the edge

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<v Speaker 4>of insecurity and made to work faster and harder. And

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<v Speaker 4>one of the things that's used in that arrangement is

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<v Speaker 4>a very conscious instrument of control that's very necessary, and

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<v Speaker 4>that instrument is called the state.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is very basic presentation and is necessary. I

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<v Speaker 2>know some of you are going, oh, sounds like a

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<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of liberal crap, and maybe, but then again,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, nineteen ninety three, how old was I.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighteen twenty one years old. Yeah, I was twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>years old, and I was particularly moved by somebody making

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<v Speaker 2>relevant and rational statements. And yeah, uh uh for you

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<v Speaker 2>a trumpy people, you know, sorry, but there was stuff

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<v Speaker 2>before the idiocy. And for you liberals, you can have

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<v Speaker 2>yourselves all day with this.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care. This is reality.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, Parente laid it out perfectly in my mind.

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<v Speaker 4>That is what they do is set up a state,

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<v Speaker 4>an organization that has a as Max Weeber, who wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>a Marxist, as Max Weber called it, an organization that

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<v Speaker 4>has a monopoly on the legitimate uses of force and violence,

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<v Speaker 4>on the use of legitimate force and violence.

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<v Speaker 5>But that's what we have today.

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<v Speaker 4>We also have developed, in modern times some democratic features,

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<v Speaker 4>some means of trying to fight back and restrain this

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<v Speaker 4>arbitrary power. What are we trying to say that, along

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<v Speaker 4>with government, we also have a thing called the state.

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<v Speaker 4>And along with governance, along with policies, and along with

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<v Speaker 4>those things, we have this other instrument. Even in a

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<v Speaker 4>democratic state, and that instrument, whether it's in democratic France

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<v Speaker 4>or democratic England, or democratic Germany or democratic Italy all

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<v Speaker 4>or democratic USA or democratic can in all these countries,

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<v Speaker 4>all of them have these other instruments and agencies that

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<v Speaker 4>act like a bunch of gangsters, that act repressively, that

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<v Speaker 4>use surveillance, that use every dirty trick in the book

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<v Speaker 4>on equal enforcement of tax laws, name it, the bringing

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<v Speaker 4>in of drugs into whole neighborhoods and communities, trumped up

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<v Speaker 4>murder charges, assassination that you have in the middle of

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<v Speaker 4>these democracies, you have the state within the state known

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<v Speaker 4>as the national security state. And that state is capable

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<v Speaker 4>of the most unspeakable crimes that you can think of.

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<v Speaker 4>And those crimes are perpetrated against their own people. They're

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<v Speaker 4>perpetrated against people all around the world. Not long ago,

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<v Speaker 4>I got a letter from a woman who's been a

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<v Speaker 4>community organizer in Chicago, and she said, with grief in

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<v Speaker 4>her heart, she said, I remember the sixties. I remember

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<v Speaker 4>the tremendous democratic organization and leadership that was developing in

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<v Speaker 4>the Latino and African American communities.

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember those leaders and.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything on one of them today is either dead shot

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<v Speaker 4>by the police or in marrying prison on trumped up charges.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember the demoralization that took place, the shattering

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<v Speaker 4>of those organizations. And after those organs organizations were shattered

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<v Speaker 4>and demoralized, then in came the drug traffickers.

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<v Speaker 5>And those drug.

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<v Speaker 4>Traffickers, the thing I remember the most about them is

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<v Speaker 4>that they were aided and abetted by the FEDS, by

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<v Speaker 4>the federal.

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<v Speaker 5>Agents themselves. And this is what happens.

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<v Speaker 4>That is, we are dealing with the state that was

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<v Speaker 4>engaged in domestic counterinsurgency, and it was more interested in

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<v Speaker 4>having a population that was unorganized and demoralized than a

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<v Speaker 4>population that was organized that was effectively fighting for its

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<v Speaker 4>democratic rights. Because if it's organized and it's effective and

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<v Speaker 4>it's powerful, it will start making demands and start pursuing

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<v Speaker 4>its interest and it will start cutting in on the

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<v Speaker 4>interests that those police and those coppers and those undercover

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<v Speaker 4>people and those forces of military and law and order

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<v Speaker 4>are dedicated to protecting, protecting the status quo, protecting those

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<v Speaker 4>with property against who those who don't have it. And

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, for the last thousand years, we've had

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<v Speaker 4>theorists who've made that point, except they make it proudly.

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<v Speaker 4>Adam Smith said, as the divisions of property become increasingly unequal,

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<v Speaker 4>it is more and more necessary to have a state

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<v Speaker 4>to defend those who have property from those who do not.

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<v Speaker 5>John Law, The purpose of.

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<v Speaker 4>The state is to defend those who have property from

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<v Speaker 4>those who do not. James Harrington, you can go on,

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<v Speaker 4>James Madison, Alexander Hamilton. The only difference was that when

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<v Speaker 4>Mark said it, he said to defend those who have

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<v Speaker 4>property from those whose labor is expropriated by those who accumulate.

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<v Speaker 5>Wealth off their labor, who have all the property. He

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<v Speaker 5>changed it a little bit and he said it.

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<v Speaker 4>Wasn't just plves and have nots, it was halves taking

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<v Speaker 4>it from those who produced it and created the haves.

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<v Speaker 4>And throughout the world, dominant economic interests today have enlisted

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<v Speaker 4>the efforts of assassins and torturers as we talk at

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<v Speaker 4>this moment.

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<v Speaker 5>The CIA and other such agencies in this country and

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<v Speaker 5>other countries.

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<v Speaker 4>Have sponsored violence, tortured death squads, drugs in scores of

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<v Speaker 4>countries from zay Yea to Angola, to Mozambique to Olsalvagtor,

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<v Speaker 4>to Guatemala, to Indonesia to a stem Moore, and you

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<v Speaker 4>go on and on to Western Europe to the USA,

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<v Speaker 4>to Chicago and Detroit and Boston and New York. They

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<v Speaker 4>are systematically targeted in many countries, the clergy, the peasant leaders, intellectuals, journalists,

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<v Speaker 4>student leaders, labor union leaders, workers and any community activists

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<v Speaker 4>and such.

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<v Speaker 5>Tens of thousands have.

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<v Speaker 4>Been murdered and assassinated to prevent social change, to destroy

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<v Speaker 4>any kind of redistributive politics, any kind of government, any

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<v Speaker 4>kind of social movement that is not willing to reduce

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<v Speaker 4>its people to economic fodder. And with NAFTA, with the

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<v Speaker 4>North American Free Trade Agreement, we now see the third

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<v Speaker 4>worldization of the us A will continue full speed ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>The gangst The nature of the state is cloaked by

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<v Speaker 4>the democratic facade and by the democratic substance of the government.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there is some democratic substance there. Democratic victories

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<v Speaker 4>have been one, we have struggled, and certain things have

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<v Speaker 4>been one.

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<v Speaker 5>And yet in the midst of this, the state still

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<v Speaker 5>goes on.

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<v Speaker 4>And what is so compelling about an issue like drugs.

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<v Speaker 5>As Michael Levine's point out, is.

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<v Speaker 4>That it's not that we're saying the government is not

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<v Speaker 4>doing enough about drugs or they're losing the war against drugs.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that the government or elements in it are active

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<v Speaker 4>perpetrators and purveyors of drugs. And what it is so

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<v Speaker 4>compelling about the JFK assassination is how nakedly the gangster

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<v Speaker 4>nature of the state is revealed.

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<v Speaker 5>It is an awakening.

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<v Speaker 4>And to know the truth about the JFK assassination is

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<v Speaker 4>to create a delegitimating force that calls into questions the

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<v Speaker 4>entire state system and the entire social order it represents.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is why for thirty years the mainstreams press

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<v Speaker 4>has suppressed or dismissed out of hand in the findings

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<v Speaker 4>about JFK's death, the findings of independent investigators like Peter Dale, Scott,

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<v Speaker 4>Harold Weisberg, Carl Oglesby, Mark Lane, Anthony Summers, Philip Millinson,

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<v Speaker 4>Jim Garrison, Cyril Weckt, and dozens and dozens of others.

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<v Speaker 4>They're called assassination buffs.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not buffs.

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<v Speaker 4>Even that word is a limiting and marginalizing and diminishing term.

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<v Speaker 4>A buff is a kind of a hobby pursuer.

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<v Speaker 5>You're seeing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a kind of a quirky person who follows quirky

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<v Speaker 4>little interests.

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<v Speaker 5>Would you talk about Holocaust buffs? Would you know? They

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<v Speaker 5>are serious investigators of a very.

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<v Speaker 4>Serious crime which leads to all sorts of serious understandings

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<v Speaker 4>about the criminal nature of the state. And this is

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<v Speaker 4>why they relentlessly, the mainstream media, and the opinion leaders

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<v Speaker 4>and the political leaders of this country relentlessly attack or

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<v Speaker 4>ignore this literature.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is why they give.

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<v Speaker 4>Fulsome gushing ready publicity to the likes of Gerald Posner

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<v Speaker 4>with his Bookcase Closed, which got.

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<v Speaker 5>Put into every major magazine.

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't put the TV on all week without seeing

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<v Speaker 4>in the guy's face and hearing him blather these kind

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<v Speaker 4>of cliche statements whose credibility are dependent on you being

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<v Speaker 4>totally ignorant of what the investigators for thirty years have

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<v Speaker 4>been uncovering and the questions that have been raising.

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<v Speaker 5>And we did a.

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<v Speaker 4>Grotesque, idiotic whitewash of the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is why they savage.

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<v Speaker 4>They savaged all of A Stone's movie JFK, a movie

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<v Speaker 4>that was very accurate about the specifics of the murder,

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<v Speaker 4>a movie that reached millions of people that broke through

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<v Speaker 4>that thing that they were keeping down, the only movie

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<v Speaker 4>in the history of Hollywood. And I wrote a book

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<v Speaker 4>called Make Believe Media, which is about TV and films,

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<v Speaker 4>So I think I know something about films At least,

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<v Speaker 4>I did spend the better part of a year reading

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of literature. It's the only movie that I

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<v Speaker 4>know of that was attacked six months before it was

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<v Speaker 4>ever released in the Washington Post and the New York

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<v Speaker 4>Times and in Time and Newsweek, and attack relentlessly for

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<v Speaker 4>a year after it was released. And this is also

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<v Speaker 4>why in this past week they kept up the relentless

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<v Speaker 4>propaganda campaign with the thirtieth anniversary of the Kennedy assassination

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<v Speaker 4>to show.

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<v Speaker 5>That Oswald was the loan assassin.

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<v Speaker 4>And they're always limiting the question, just as the Warren

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<v Speaker 4>Commission did a priori did it was Oswald alone assassin?

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<v Speaker 4>Did he act alone? Did he or did he not

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<v Speaker 4>act alone? Meanwhile, all the serious investigations investigators have a

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<v Speaker 4>different question. It's not that he was not at all

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<v Speaker 4>He was involved as a fall guy. And this is

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<v Speaker 4>what they say. The propagandists of the right and the

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<v Speaker 4>center know why they've got to trash this issue and

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<v Speaker 4>contain it. Listen to what Tom Wicke of the New

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<v Speaker 4>movie review in his life. JFK came out and Tom Wicker,

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<v Speaker 4>York Times, suddenly became a movie reviewer, and instead of

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<v Speaker 5>It's the whole page with pictures, Nola. And in that review,

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<v Speaker 4>That if the quote wild assertions in all of A

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<v Speaker 4>institutions conspired together and carried out Kennedy's murder In an era,

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<v Speaker 4>Wicker goes on, in an era when mistrust of government

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<v Speaker 4>and loss of confidence in institutions the press not the

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<v Speaker 4>least are widespread and viruling, such a suggestion seems a

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<v Speaker 5>So truth on I'm not true has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 4>The question is institutional legitimacy. Wicka understands the heart of

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<v Speaker 4>a serious attack upon the legitimacy of the dominant institutions

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<v Speaker 4>of state and class, the press not being the least

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<v Speaker 4>of one of those institutions, a faithful servant of it,

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<v Speaker 4>the system that New York Times writers faithfully defended. Playing

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<v Speaker 4>before mass audiences, the movie JFK did not finger a

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<v Speaker 4>cabal of malevolent perpetrators, but in fact pointed the finger

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<v Speaker 4>at the National Security State.

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<v Speaker 5>Itself as the murderer damage control.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, back in nineteen seventy eight, the House Select

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<v Speaker 4>Committee reported, in fact, after an investigation, that there was

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<v Speaker 4>more than one assassin shooting Kennedy then, and there therefore

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<v Speaker 4>was a conspiracy. In response, the Washington Post immediately editorialized

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<v Speaker 4>in nineteen seventy eight, quote, could it have been some

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<v Speaker 4>other malcontempt who mister Oswald met casually?

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<v Speaker 5>It gets better? It gets better with.

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<v Speaker 4>Could not as many as three or four societal outcasts

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<v Speaker 4>with no ties to any one organization have developed in

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<v Speaker 4>some spontaneous way a common determination to express their alienation

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<v Speaker 4>in the killing of President Kennedy. It is possible that

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<v Speaker 4>two persons, acting independently, attempted to shoot the president at

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<v Speaker 4>the very same time.

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<v Speaker 5>It is possible. It's not at all likely.

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<v Speaker 4>So sometimes those who deny conspiracies create the most convoluted.

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<v Speaker 5>Fantasies of all.

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<v Speaker 4>David Garrow, who wrote a biography of Martin Luther King, benignly,

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<v Speaker 4>patronizingly looks at you, at the public mind, and he

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<v Speaker 4>says that the evidence pointing to a conspiracy to murder

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<v Speaker 4>Martin Luther King now at large. You see what it

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<v Speaker 4>is a large majority of the American people do believe

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<v Speaker 4>in assassination conspiracies.

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<v Speaker 5>That allows events to have large.

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<v Speaker 4>Mysterious causes instead of small idiosyncratic ones. I would say

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<v Speaker 4>the Washington Post had the most mysterious cause of all

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<v Speaker 4>a few minutes ago. They like that, They like the

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<v Speaker 4>large causes, you see. But the question of conspiracy has

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<v Speaker 4>to be decided by an investigation of evidence, not by

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<v Speaker 4>a priori unscientific and patronizing presumptions about the public mind.

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<v Speaker 4>In any case, the evidence in King's assassination doesn't involve

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<v Speaker 4>large mysterious causes.

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<v Speaker 5>But very immediate actualities.

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<v Speaker 4>And the investigators, like Peter Dale, Scott and how A

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<v Speaker 4>Weisberger Mark lane Is, they weren't impelled by some yearnings,

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<v Speaker 4>you see.

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<v Speaker 5>They were impelled by questions.

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<v Speaker 4>Of evidence, by things that didn't just seem to make

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<v Speaker 4>sense by very immediate empirical things which drew them into

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<v Speaker 4>this more and more, but which these people who never

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<v Speaker 4>read that evidence don't have to deal with, and so

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<v Speaker 4>they can fashion all these theories. The independent investigators demolished

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<v Speaker 4>the Warren Commission. The first and most effective, perhaps was

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<v Speaker 4>how A. Weisberg's book Whitewash and the Other and then

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<v Speaker 4>the other one by Mark Lane rushed to judgment right there, terrific,

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<v Speaker 4>written twenty five years ago. Let's focus on a small

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<v Speaker 4>part of the actual conspiracy. I can't obviously go through

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<v Speaker 4>it all, it would take ages. Let's start with Oswald.

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<v Speaker 4>If you watch television this week, you again, for the

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<v Speaker 4>seventy eighth time, heard that Oswald was a loner and incompetent,

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<v Speaker 4>not very bright.

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<v Speaker 5>You heard he was emotionally disturbed.

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<v Speaker 4>Joe Posma got on there, turning instant psychiatrists, and he said,

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<v Speaker 4>the abby Oswall was a very disturbed young boy. He

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<v Speaker 4>had a very disturbed childhood. And he was a passive aggressive,

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<v Speaker 4>I said, a passive aggressive, a passive aggressive assassin. That

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<v Speaker 4>explains why use a rifle which couldn't shoot straight. He

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<v Speaker 4>also was a leftist Alexander Coburn has joined the right

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<v Speaker 4>and the center and in a column and the examiner

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<v Speaker 4>said he was a leftist. The truth is something else.

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<v Speaker 4>Lee Hobby Oswald. All his IQ tests show that he

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<v Speaker 4>was above average intelligence. He was a bright guy, a

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<v Speaker 4>quick learner. O. Lee Hobby Oswald spent most of his

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<v Speaker 4>adult life not as a lonely drifter, but directly linked

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<v Speaker 4>to the US intelligence community. At the age of eighteen,

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<v Speaker 4>in the US Marines, he had secret security clearance and

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<v Speaker 4>he was working at Marine Air Control in Atsugi Base

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<v Speaker 4>in Japan. Atsugi was a top secret base where the

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<v Speaker 4>CIA launched some of its U two flights and did

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<v Speaker 4>other kinds of COVID operations in China. The next year,

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<v Speaker 4>at the age of nineteen, he was assigned to El

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<v Speaker 4>Toro Air Station in California with security clearance to work radar,

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<v Speaker 4>and here he emerged. Certain strange things began to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>He emerged as a babbling Russo file and Soviet Communists.

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<v Speaker 4>He started playing Russian language records at blast level in

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<v Speaker 4>He read Russian books and touted Soviet Communism as quote,

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<v Speaker 4>the best system in the world. He called his fellow

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<v Speaker 4>Marines comrades. Now, the US Marine Corps nineteen fifty eight

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<v Speaker 4>was not exactly known as a bastion of liberal tolerance

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<v Speaker 4>and free thinking. My buddy Bernard Livingston wrote a book

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<v Speaker 4>called Closet Red. He tells of his experiences in the Army,

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<v Speaker 4>where they had to filter out anybody who had funny opinions,

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<v Speaker 4>who had pink oish opinions, or whatever else. They had

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<v Speaker 4>to be reported that the Army constantly, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 4>the Marines constantly surveils anybody who might outspokenly or actively

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<v Speaker 4>begin to say or act certainly in the way he did.

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<v Speaker 4>But in this instance Oswald's Marine commanders didn't mind. He

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<v Speaker 4>kept his security clearance, He kept all the radar records.

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<v Speaker 4>He could see what was going in and out, and

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<v Speaker 4>knew all about the things that were happening there, and

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<v Speaker 4>a wealth of sensitive radar information and otherighly sensitive information

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<v Speaker 5>Basis black operations, as they will call.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if Oswald was a Soviet spy or a Cuban spy,

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<v Speaker 4>as some people now claim, he certainly had a novel

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<v Speaker 4>way of building a couver other odd things began happening.

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<v Speaker 4>In February nineteen fifty nine, lee hobby Oswald failed the

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<v Speaker 4>Marine Corps proficiency test in Russian. Six months later he

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<v Speaker 4>was practically fluent in Russian.

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<v Speaker 5>Only.

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<v Speaker 4>In nineteen seventy four, a document that was dislodged from

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<v Speaker 4>the Warrant Commission that had been secreted. Thanks to Howrod

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<v Speaker 4>Weisberg's legal efforts got the document out, it was shown

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<v Speaker 4>that Oswald had attended the US Army Monterey School of Languages. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>Monterrey is not open to anyone who just happens to

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<v Speaker 4>have a hobby, a language hobby.

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<v Speaker 5>You go only for.

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<v Speaker 4>Serious training, and you are sent by the government and

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<v Speaker 4>it must be related to government work in a language

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<v Speaker 4>picked by the government, which is related to specific assignments.

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<v Speaker 4>So Oswald learned Russian at the US Monterey School of Languages.

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<v Speaker 4>Another odd thing, Oswald was given an early discharge from

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<v Speaker 4>the Marines because his mother had injured her foot. Let's

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<v Speaker 4>call it this dependency discharge. Your parent needs you. A

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<v Speaker 4>jar had fallen on her toe, and he was immediately

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<v Speaker 4>he put in the request and he got it within

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<v Speaker 4>a week. His fellow Marines were astonished at the velocity

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<v Speaker 4>of the release.

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<v Speaker 5>It also so happened that the jaw fell on her

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<v Speaker 5>foot a year before the discharge, but she was happy.

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<v Speaker 5>It wasn't healing right. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>This was only one of a number of very strangely

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<v Speaker 4>favorable treatments that the US government began to give Lee

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<v Speaker 4>Harvey Oswald. He then defected to the USSR. But how

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<v Speaker 4>Philip Mellinson raises the question. To get to Russia in

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<v Speaker 4>those days.

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<v Speaker 5>It would have cost one five hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>Lee Hobby Oswald's bank account showed a deposit of only

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<v Speaker 4>two hundred and three dollars. He got after he arrived

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<v Speaker 4>in London and was there. He left London and went

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<v Speaker 4>to Helsinki on October eleventh, in a day when there

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<v Speaker 4>were no available commercial flights that would have allowed him

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<v Speaker 4>to make it in one day. He had some kind

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<v Speaker 4>of private transportation to get to Helsinki. In Russia, he

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<v Speaker 4>announced that he was renouncing his US citizenship and that

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<v Speaker 4>he had lots of secrets that he was going to

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<v Speaker 4>give to the Soviets. He even went into the US

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<v Speaker 4>embassy and announced that and made sure they all knew it.

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<v Speaker 4>The Soviets didn't bite. They let him stay, but they

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<v Speaker 4>at no time thought he could be an agent of

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<v Speaker 4>many use to them. They kept him under constant surveillance.

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<v Speaker 4>He worked in a factory. He showed no particular interest

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<v Speaker 4>in guns, but he belonged to the factory's gun club.

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<v Speaker 4>He used to join in the rabbit shoots, and he

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<v Speaker 4>could never hit the rabbit. That always someone had to

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<v Speaker 4>come behind him and shoot the rabbit while he was firing,

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<v Speaker 4>otherwise they would have been there all day.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a joke.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a miserable marksman, as he had been in

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<v Speaker 4>the US Marines. He had been flagged again and again

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<v Speaker 4>on the They missed the whole target a number of times,

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<v Speaker 4>you get the flag. So Lebby Oswald's show was a

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<v Speaker 5>Side of a bond.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, if Leharvey Oswald was really a defector and not

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<v Speaker 4>a US spy, then US intelligence could well have taken

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<v Speaker 4>the view that his was one of the most damaging

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<v Speaker 4>defections in history. Now, what's done in all defections, especially

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<v Speaker 4>those connected with definitely those connected with government and military,

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<v Speaker 4>is that there's a damage assessment. No damage assessment was

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<v Speaker 4>ever made on Oswald's defection. This did come out in

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<v Speaker 4>the Warrant Commission in the House Select Committee. Why there

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<v Speaker 4>was no damage assessmentsion.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess it was just overlooked. We don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>After two and a half years, he applies to return

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<v Speaker 4>to the US. This is after renouncing his citizenship, announcing

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<v Speaker 4>he was going to give away secrets, and instead of

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<v Speaker 4>being grabbed when he comes out and tried as a

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<v Speaker 5>And he says he was never debriefed.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, he was the pri in Harlem, in Amsterdam,

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<v Speaker 4>but the CIA has no record of debriefing him.

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<v Speaker 5>Head doesn't doesn't know who he is, never touched him,

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<v Speaker 5>was never near him.

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<v Speaker 4>And their explanation before the commission was that there were

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<v Speaker 4>about him that would would would catch our attention. One

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<v Speaker 4>might wonder what is needed to catch your attention a

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<v Speaker 4>defector of secrets and all after the assassination, the CIA

429
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<v Speaker 4>claimed that they suspected that he was a Soviet spy,

430
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<v Speaker 4>they still didn't from debrief from them.

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<v Speaker 5>That makes it even more curious.

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<v Speaker 4>He gets he gets out of Russia, and what does

433
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<v Speaker 4>the State Department do? They give him money, they give

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<v Speaker 4>him money to travel back to the US.

435
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<v Speaker 5>And get set up.

436
00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.799
<v Speaker 4>They pay all his travel and moving expenses and those

437
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<v Speaker 4>of his wife's. He's given back his passport with full

438
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<v Speaker 4>rights to travel anywhere and denounce the US government again

439
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<v Speaker 4>someplace else. His wife is exempted from usual immigration quotos.

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<v Speaker 5>No way, no exclusion for.

441
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<v Speaker 4>Having belonged to the Soviet Compsamol was the Communist youth organization,

442
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<v Speaker 4>which is a violation of US immigration laws.

443
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<v Speaker 5>Yes, she was allowed in. Once back in Dallas, the.

444
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<v Speaker 4>Rvy Oswall settles in under the wing of one George

445
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<v Speaker 4>de moorin Child, a right wing Russian with CIA ties,

446
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<v Speaker 4>and this begins a whole pattern that.

447
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<v Speaker 5>Goes on in Dallas and New Orleans.

448
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<v Speaker 4>Namely the forays out into the public eye as a leftist.

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<v Speaker 4>Once back in Dallas, the rvy Oswall settles in under

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<v Speaker 4>the wing of one George de moorin Child, a right

451
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<v Speaker 4>wing Russian with CIA ties, And this begins a whole

452
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<v Speaker 4>pattern that goes on in Dallas and New Orleans, namely

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<v Speaker 4>the forays out into the public eye as a leftist.

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<v Speaker 4>He starts a one person Fair Play for Cuba organization

455
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<v Speaker 4>in New Orleans, never has another member, never recruits another member.

456
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<v Speaker 4>All his time in New Orleans and in Dallas, he

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<v Speaker 4>never once contacts a single member of the Communist Party

458
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<v Speaker 4>or any other left organization, although he writes lots of

459
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<v Speaker 4>letters to the Communist Party USA and to the Socialist

460
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<v Speaker 4>Workers Party.

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<v Speaker 5>Two groups which at that time weren't even talking to

462
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<v Speaker 5>each other. Day, dear comrades, how are you? We fight

463
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<v Speaker 5>bowart and we go on. Yes, what should I do?

464
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<v Speaker 5>And this and that? Send me instructions.

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00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:24.559
<v Speaker 4>You know, he blazes a trail local TV fistfights inflammatory

466
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:31.119
<v Speaker 4>incidents leaflets. One of the leafless shows that his organization

467
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:33.720
<v Speaker 4>was on Camp Street and the very same building that

468
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<v Speaker 4>Guy Banister had his office. Guy Banister was an FBI agent,

469
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<v Speaker 4>and a whole bunch of other Cuban McGray right wing

470
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<v Speaker 4>groups were there, and his personal relations were with right

471
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<v Speaker 4>wing anti communist Cubans or with right wing crypto fascists

472
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:52.559
<v Speaker 4>or CIA types or others. So, while he supposedly was

473
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 4>this leftist, and if you ever heard any of the

474
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.680
<v Speaker 4>tapes of him speaking and explaining what communism was or socialism,

475
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:04.119
<v Speaker 4>was this laughable. It's this little rope, superficial thing. While

476
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:06.680
<v Speaker 4>he was leftist, in fact, all his personal associations were

477
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<v Speaker 4>with right wing people linked to the intelligence community.

478
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<v Speaker 5>He also knew Jack Ruby.

479
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<v Speaker 4>Now they would have us believe that this man who

480
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<v Speaker 4>couldn't hit the side of the barn, took a man

481
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<v Speaker 4>link a khar Khan, a rifle whose sights were not

482
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<v Speaker 4>even set, an Italian weapon, by the way, which the

483
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:35.519
<v Speaker 4>Italian said, the weapon that never killed anyone on purpose, and.

484
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<v Speaker 5>He fired and killed the President of the United States.

485
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<v Speaker 4>That he would forego shooting President Kennedy when he had

486
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<v Speaker 4>a full body shot of him coming right at him

487
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<v Speaker 4>down Houston Street, right toward the right, toward the Texas

488
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<v Speaker 4>Book Depository, where he could where he could go at him,

489
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<v Speaker 4>go at him like a shooting gallery that's coming closer

490
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.359
<v Speaker 4>and closer, perfect the ideal thing.

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<v Speaker 5>He didn't shoot him.

492
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<v Speaker 4>Then he waited until the car turned at one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and ten degree angle down Elm Street, and as he

494
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:05.440
<v Speaker 4>went by and had only his head in a little

495
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<v Speaker 4>portion of his shoulders, and then firing through the trees,

496
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 4>he rapidly got off three shots in a few seconds,

497
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<v Speaker 4>something which the best marksmen in the country were not

498
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<v Speaker 4>able to emulate until after much practice, and after the

499
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:22.519
<v Speaker 4>sights on the manlinka karkana, were reset and brought into

500
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:24.799
<v Speaker 4>a laboratory and fixed in there, and they had all

501
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:27.920
<v Speaker 4>sorts of remarks to make about the awful performance of

502
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<v Speaker 4>this rifle.

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<v Speaker 5>By the way, right through a tree that was later

504
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<v Speaker 5>cut down.

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<v Speaker 4>We are asked to believe that a bullet would go

506
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<v Speaker 4>through John Kennedy, pose in mid air for two seconds,

507
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.319
<v Speaker 4>changed directions, and wound Governor Connolly in two places, and

508
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<v Speaker 4>then reappear intact on a stretcher, fallen out of Connolly's body.

509
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.000
<v Speaker 5>By the way, that's not true. It did not ever reappear.

510
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 4>On the stretcher as if fallen out of somebody's body.

511
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:58.200
<v Speaker 4>It had reappeared wedged into the side of the stretcher.

512
00:29:58.279 --> 00:29:59.880
<v Speaker 5>It obviously had been pushed in there.

513
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.599
<v Speaker 4>So this was a bullet that jumped out of Connolly's

514
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<v Speaker 4>body and.

515
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:05.599
<v Speaker 5>Wedged itself in the side of the stretcher.

516
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:09.799
<v Speaker 4>This magic bullet had a lot of magic in it.

517
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<v Speaker 4>We're asked to believe that a treasure of physical evidence

518
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<v Speaker 4>the interior of the limousine, the presidential limousine itself, which

519
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:18.519
<v Speaker 4>would have all sorts of evidence, bits of strappedn or

520
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.440
<v Speaker 4>whatever else from bullet, parts of blood, lines of fire,

521
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:27.599
<v Speaker 4>which was which was just accidentally taken instantly, torn out, destroyed,

522
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:28.880
<v Speaker 4>and totally rebuilt.

523
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:31.759
<v Speaker 5>That this was not a deliberate cover up.

524
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<v Speaker 4>But we're asked to believe that Kennedy's brain just disappeared.

525
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:37.599
<v Speaker 4>That the X ray, which now shows a reconstructed head

526
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.559
<v Speaker 4>with no exit wound, is oddly taken with no lower,

527
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:43.680
<v Speaker 4>with no jaw, so it could be anybody's. You can't

528
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<v Speaker 4>do any kind of dental identification to see if that

529
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<v Speaker 4>x ray is President Kennedy's.

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<v Speaker 5>That the autopsy was just botched innotantly.

531
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<v Speaker 4>We're asked to believe that Jack Ruby a gambler and

532
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<v Speaker 4>gangster with links to the Cuban exiles and an acquaintance

533
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<v Speaker 4>of Oz Walls. He once worked for Congressman Richard Nixon

534
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 4>for the House and American Activities Committee in Chicago when

535
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:09.279
<v Speaker 4>his name was still Jack Rubinstein before he changed it

536
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:12.160
<v Speaker 4>to Ruby. We're asked to believe that he just took

537
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:14.880
<v Speaker 4>it upon himself to kill Oswald because he was so

538
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:19.480
<v Speaker 4>moved by the suffering that Oswald had caused the Kennedy family.

539
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.240
<v Speaker 4>Although Ruby, in his a year later in jail, repeatedly

540
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.119
<v Speaker 4>kept alluding to the fact that you don't know the

541
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:25.759
<v Speaker 4>whole story.

542
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 5>There's much more behind all of this.

543
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.039
<v Speaker 4>There's something really deep and sinister here in all this,

544
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.119
<v Speaker 4>and he was just simply dismissed.

545
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:33.839
<v Speaker 5>By a media that was taking its cues.

546
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.279
<v Speaker 4>We're asked if the twenty one witnesses, persons otherwise related

547
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.920
<v Speaker 4>to the case in some close way, with some information,

548
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:44.799
<v Speaker 4>privy to some conversations, whatever else, or who met violent

549
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:48.160
<v Speaker 4>deaths were part of a colossal coincidence like the one

550
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.240
<v Speaker 4>the Washington Post was talking about that later on in

551
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 4>nineteen seventy eight, the second round of killings that started

552
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:58.559
<v Speaker 4>after the House Select Committee investigation, sixteen more who died violently.

553
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:03.279
<v Speaker 4>They just happened to coincidentally violent debts, including one of

554
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:06.759
<v Speaker 4>them being George de Moronschild himself killed by a gun

555
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.880
<v Speaker 4>blast to the head three hours after a House Assassinations

556
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:13.480
<v Speaker 4>Committee investigator had tried to contact him. He was being

557
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.119
<v Speaker 4>set up for an interview. He was being set up

558
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:21.079
<v Speaker 4>for a lot more than that. George Morinschild was not

559
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.160
<v Speaker 4>only close to Oswald, but in his telephone book there

560
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:29.720
<v Speaker 4>was found an inscription or an insert to George Pappy

561
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.039
<v Speaker 4>Bush that he was a close friend of George Bush.

562
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<v Speaker 5>And there was a correspondence between them.

563
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.559
<v Speaker 4>The sheriff's office in Palm County, Florida found that his

564
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:39.759
<v Speaker 4>shooting was very strange.

565
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 5>And it was ruled a suicide.

566
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:47.599
<v Speaker 4>William Sullivan a third FBI, third guy in the FBI,

567
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:50.079
<v Speaker 4>who was supposed to appear before the House Committee to

568
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.359
<v Speaker 4>talk By the way, Sullivan was on CIA. According to

569
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:55.759
<v Speaker 4>rober Murrow, he was on the CIA payroll. He was

570
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 4>shot right outside his home by a man who claimed

571
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.240
<v Speaker 4>to have mistaken him for a deer he was. He

572
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:05.359
<v Speaker 4>was charged with misdemeanor and released in custody of his father,

573
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:10.240
<v Speaker 4>a state policeman, sam Jan Kanno, who died from natural

574
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.640
<v Speaker 4>causes when his heart stopped beating after a bullet went

575
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:17.359
<v Speaker 4>through it one day before he was to testify about

576
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:21.359
<v Speaker 4>MOB and CIA connections while and while under government protection.

577
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:23.759
<v Speaker 4>And by the way, what comes out of this whole

578
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.039
<v Speaker 4>thing is the incredible linkages between the CIA and MOB

579
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.559
<v Speaker 4>families and MOB figures again and again, because after all,

580
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<v Speaker 4>the Mob is very functional. They can do the kind

581
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:37.440
<v Speaker 4>of dirty things that the CIA may sometimes want them

582
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<v Speaker 4>to do. There are even some on the left like

583
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:45.319
<v Speaker 4>Noam Chomsky and Alexander Coburn, who argue that this whole

584
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:48.000
<v Speaker 4>interest in the assassination comes from a Kennedy revival.

585
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<v Speaker 3>Hey, okay, here's the problem.

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00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:53.359
<v Speaker 2>There's a couple of facts in Parente stuff that were

587
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:57.319
<v Speaker 2>lesser known at the time and have been developed greater since. Like,

588
00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:59.200
<v Speaker 2>we know a lot more about g and Kanna's death,

589
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:01.880
<v Speaker 2>we know a lot more about the guy who mistakenly

590
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:03.759
<v Speaker 2>shot somebody thinking they were a deer.

591
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:06.440
<v Speaker 3>We know a lot more about this stuff. Now.

592
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.159
<v Speaker 2>Parente was dealing with this in nineteen ninety three. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you add in the updated facts, the argument remains

594
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<v Speaker 2>the same except one problem in my mind, and that

595
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:22.960
<v Speaker 2>is this over focus on the CIA. It is the

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00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:29.000
<v Speaker 2>intelligence community. It is that whole entire apparatus, not just

597
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.719
<v Speaker 2>the CIA, and certainly not the CIA proper.

598
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:33.159
<v Speaker 3>But this is an.

599
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Adjustment that comes to you many years later and with

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00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:38.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 4>The Camelot yearning, the yearning for lost Messiah, I'm getting close.

602
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 4>These are close right From Chomsky, co Vern and Chomsky

603
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:48.920
<v Speaker 4>and others. They challenged the notion that Kennedy was assassinated

604
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 4>for intending to withdraw from Vietnam or under the CIA

605
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.760
<v Speaker 4>or in the Cold War. These things could not have

606
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:57.760
<v Speaker 4>led to his downfall because they were not true. Kennedy

607
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.400
<v Speaker 4>was a co warrior, a counterinsurgent to wanted a military

608
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:05.480
<v Speaker 4>withdrawal from Vietnam only with victory. I have argued similarly

609
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.679
<v Speaker 4>in my book Democracy for the Few, that in fact,

610
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:11.039
<v Speaker 4>indeed Kennedy was a co warrior and a counterinsurgent, and

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<v Speaker 4>that he should not be romanticized as a progressive. Chomsky, Coburn,

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00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:20.320
<v Speaker 4>and others claimed that the change of administration that came

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00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.639
<v Speaker 4>with Afk's assassination had no large scale effect on policy,

614
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:25.360
<v Speaker 4>not even on tactics.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so there is the largest issue, which is that

616
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<v Speaker 2>a guy like Parente believed in Kennedy not being progressive enough. Therefore,

617
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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't progressiveness, it was not liberalism. It was

618
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:46.719
<v Speaker 2>a matter of pragmatism. Kennedy was willing to go to

619
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 2>war when it made sense to go to war, but

620
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:54.119
<v Speaker 2>when it was senseless or it was just to propagate idiocy,

621
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 2>like they wanted in Germany, like they wanted in Lauts,

622
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.000
<v Speaker 2>like they wanted in Cuba, with the constant in Vaine

623
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Asian being called for because killing is a business, and

624
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.800
<v Speaker 2>business was very good and that's what you have to

625
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.719
<v Speaker 2>wrap your mind around. It's not this oh liberal fantasizing.

626
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Kennedy's not a liberal, not even close. And you know,

627
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.199
<v Speaker 2>until we went crazy in recent years, there was a

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00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.719
<v Speaker 2>liberal sort of construct who could try to wrap it

629
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 2>around Kennedy and it didn't fit. It fit when it

630
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:31.039
<v Speaker 2>came to being progressive and less, you know, the racist

631
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:33.639
<v Speaker 2>jackassery of the former Conservatives.

632
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:36.840
<v Speaker 3>It fit there. But outside of that nothing.

633
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:41.280
<v Speaker 2>This guy's practically a Republican, an old school Republican, not

634
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:44.880
<v Speaker 2>a Trump era republican, not a post War on Terror

635
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:49.199
<v Speaker 2>idiocy republican, but a regular old died in the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we believe in business and people's right to

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00:36:53.440 --> 00:37:00.920
<v Speaker 2>make themselves Republican. That fantasy, Yeah, that's what Kennedy was.

638
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<v Speaker 2>Not a progressive, not a liberal, but also not a

639
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<v Speaker 2>hardliner and not an idiot who just wanted to throw

640
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<v Speaker 2>away people's lives to accomplish nothing but filling the coffers

641
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:13.280
<v Speaker 2>of people whose business it was to prop it off

642
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 2>of blood and torture.

643
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<v Speaker 4>In other words, if Kennedy had lived, he likely would

644
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<v Speaker 4>have fabricated a Tonguin gulf as his belly. He would

645
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 4>have introduced ground troops in a massive land war, as

646
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<v Speaker 4>Lyndon Johnson did, he would have engaged in the merciless

647
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:28.320
<v Speaker 4>Bee fifty two carpet bombings of Laos, Cambodi, and Vietnam,

648
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.760
<v Speaker 4>as Richard Nixon did, He would have risked destroying his

649
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.639
<v Speaker 4>own electoral base, proving himself a mass murder as bad

650
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:37.599
<v Speaker 4>as Nixon. Chomsky and Coburn don't tell us how they

651
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:40.679
<v Speaker 4>know that. All we know is the one surviving Kennedy.

652
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:43.559
<v Speaker 4>The Robert Kennedy, in fact, went a different way. He

653
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.360
<v Speaker 4>became an anti war critic. He opposed the war, He

654
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:49.320
<v Speaker 4>broke with the Johnson administration, and he said that his

655
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:55.280
<v Speaker 4>brother's administration, his administration, had committed terrible mistakes. The evidence

656
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:57.480
<v Speaker 4>we do have, in fact, is that John Kennedy observed

657
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.360
<v Speaker 4>Cambodian neutrality and negotiated to see fire and coalition government

658
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:03.719
<v Speaker 4>in Laos, which the CIA.

659
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:04.280
<v Speaker 5>Refused to honor.

660
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:07.599
<v Speaker 4>They preferred to back a right wing faction that continued

661
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:07.960
<v Speaker 4>the war.

662
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:11.760
<v Speaker 5>Chomsky says much about troop withdrawals.

663
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:13.400
<v Speaker 4>Who just wrote a whole book on this, Camelot Revisited

664
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<v Speaker 4>and all that, but he says very little about troop escalation,

665
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.400
<v Speaker 4>other than to offer Roger Hillsman speculation that Kennedy might

666
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.599
<v Speaker 4>well have introduced US troops ground troops in South Vietnam.

667
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<v Speaker 5>Maybe so, maybe not.

668
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<v Speaker 4>In fact, the same Hillsman noted in The New York

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<v Speaker 4>Times not long ago, and Chomsky doesn't note it that

670
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.480
<v Speaker 4>in nineteen sixty three, Kennedy was the only person in

671
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:37.079
<v Speaker 4>his administration who opposed the introduction of US ground troops.

672
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.559
<v Speaker 4>He was the only thing preventing an escalation of the war.

673
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<v Speaker 4>Forget the question of withdrawal.

674
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<v Speaker 5>Or not withdrawal. He was a barrier in that sense.

675
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:49.719
<v Speaker 4>Whether or not, there are certain left analysts who think

676
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.639
<v Speaker 4>Kennedy was or wasn't a progressive or liberal and thinks

677
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<v Speaker 4>that the CIA had no reason to kill him, or

678
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.480
<v Speaker 4>other people had no reason to be dissatisfied him. The

679
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.599
<v Speaker 4>fact is, do they see it that way? You know,

680
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.559
<v Speaker 4>entrenched interests are notorious for not seeing the world the

681
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:09.039
<v Speaker 4>same way that left analysts do. In nineteen sixty three,

682
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:13.199
<v Speaker 4>people in right wing circles, including elements in various intelligence organizations,

683
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:15.360
<v Speaker 4>did not believe that Kennedy could be trusted with the

684
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:19.079
<v Speaker 4>nation's future. Some months ago, on a San Francisco talk show,

685
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.519
<v Speaker 4>I heard a guy come on. It was on KGO

686
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.159
<v Speaker 4>and he said, I never said this before. I never

687
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:27.199
<v Speaker 4>said it. It's the first time of saying it. But

688
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:31.039
<v Speaker 4>I worked for Army intelligence, and in nineteen sixty three

689
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:33.920
<v Speaker 4>I was in Japan, and when he in, the accepted

690
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:36.320
<v Speaker 4>word around then was that Kennedy would be killed because

691
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.880
<v Speaker 4>he was messing too much with the intelligence community. And

692
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:43.320
<v Speaker 4>when word came of his death, we were all I

693
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:45.119
<v Speaker 4>could hear with delighted comments.

694
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:45.840
<v Speaker 5>Like we got the bastard.

695
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 4>What JFK's enemies saw something was What they saw was

696
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 4>something different from what Chomsky and Coburn have seen. They

697
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:57.039
<v Speaker 4>fixed on Kennedy's refusal to provide air coverage the Bay

698
00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.800
<v Speaker 4>of Pigs, his refusal to go in with US forces,

699
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.800
<v Speaker 4>his unwillingness to launch another invasion of Cuba is no

700
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.000
<v Speaker 4>invasion guarantee to KHRUSHEV on Cuba. His atmospheric test band

701
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.159
<v Speaker 4>treaty with Moscow. His American University speech calling for a

702
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.559
<v Speaker 4>re examination of our Cold War attitudes towards the Soviet Union.

703
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.320
<v Speaker 4>His unwillingness to send ground forces in a massive form

704
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:20.800
<v Speaker 4>into Vietnam, his anti trust suit against General Electric, his

705
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.960
<v Speaker 4>fight with US steel over price increases, his challenge to

706
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:27.400
<v Speaker 4>the Federal Reserve Board, his warm reception at labor conventions,

707
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:31.880
<v Speaker 4>his call for racial equality and responsiveness to civil rights leaders,

708
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:36.760
<v Speaker 4>reluctant responsiveness, his talk of moving forward in a new frontier.

709
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:43.199
<v Speaker 4>Erwin Nole, the Progressive says that he admits he has

710
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:46.159
<v Speaker 4>no idea who killed Kennedy, but this doesn't keep him

711
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<v Speaker 4>from asserting that the Oliver A. Stone film was manipulative

712
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:51.159
<v Speaker 4>and that Stone provided false answers.

713
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:52.519
<v Speaker 5>How do you know that, Erwin, if you have no

714
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:53.719
<v Speaker 5>idea who killed Kennedy?

715
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:57.239
<v Speaker 4>And the remarkable thing about Erwin Nole and Nom Chomsky

716
00:40:57.599 --> 00:40:59.920
<v Speaker 4>and Alexander Koburn is they don't know a damn thing

717
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.360
<v Speaker 4>about the criticisms and investigation that's been made. We've said

718
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:06.920
<v Speaker 4>this again and again, and the rebuttals in the Exchange

719
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 4>in the Nation, almost every one of them said, Alexander

720
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.559
<v Speaker 4>Coburn doesn't know anything about this case. He doesn't know

721
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.119
<v Speaker 4>anything about le Hobby Osrol. Really he doesn't know.

722
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:16.760
<v Speaker 5>Just some of the questions I brought up.

723
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 4>They don't know any and they never deny it. They

724
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:23.159
<v Speaker 4>never say anything. They go on with their patronizing comments. Well,

725
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:27.920
<v Speaker 4>Chomsky patronization and condescension Coburn with vitriol and venom.

726
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:29.840
<v Speaker 5>They go on attacking.

727
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 4>Those who supposedly are idealizing Kennedy. Erwin Noel shows he's flexible,

728
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 4>though he says he allows that the Warrant Commission did

729
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 4>a hasty, slipshod job of investigation.

730
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:46.719
<v Speaker 5>I disagree. The Commission did a brilliant job of investigation.

731
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:49.519
<v Speaker 4>It sat for fifty one long sessions over a period

732
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 4>of several months, much longer than most major investigations. It

733
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:56.000
<v Speaker 4>compiled twenty six volumes of testimony and evidence. It had

734
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:58.400
<v Speaker 4>the investigative resources of the FBI.

735
00:41:58.039 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 5>And CIA at as command.

736
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:04.599
<v Speaker 4>From being hasty and slipshod, it painstakingly crafted theories that

737
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:09.039
<v Speaker 4>moved toward its foreordained conclusion that Oswald was the assassin.

738
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:14.559
<v Speaker 4>It framed an argument and moved unfailingly to fulfill that argument.

739
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 4>It failed to call witnesses who saw something different from

740
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:20.960
<v Speaker 4>what it wanted to hear, who saw who not only heard,

741
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.480
<v Speaker 4>but who saw people on the Grassy Knoll shooting.

742
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:24.760
<v Speaker 5>It failed to call them.

743
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:28.440
<v Speaker 4>It ignored or reinterpreted what little conflicting testimony that did

744
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 4>creep into its proceedings. All this took deliberate effort. It

745
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:40.679
<v Speaker 4>was carefully crafted, painstakingly. A hasty, slipshod investigation would show traces.

746
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:41.639
<v Speaker 5>Of randomness in its errors.

747
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:43.559
<v Speaker 4>Some would go this way, some would go that way,

748
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.239
<v Speaker 4>but the Commission's distortions consistently moved in the same direction

749
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:53.719
<v Speaker 4>in pursuit of a prefigured hypothesis, the gullible US public

750
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:57.159
<v Speaker 4>that Irwin Knowle talks about Noel, who condemns all of

751
00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:00.599
<v Speaker 4>a Stone for playing on the gullibility of the American people.

752
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.199
<v Speaker 5>See, he's not gullible. He's cool. He doesn't fall for this.

753
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.519
<v Speaker 5>He's so cool, didn't even go see the movie. You see,

754
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:13.760
<v Speaker 5>the US public has not bought the official explanation.

755
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.719
<v Speaker 4>Seventy eight percent say they believe there was a conspiracy

756
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:21.840
<v Speaker 4>in both Chomsky and Coburn, Coburn in the Nation, Chomsky

757
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.159
<v Speaker 4>and Z Magazine, and again in a letter in exchange

758
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:27.400
<v Speaker 4>with me. Both of them dismissed that fact and point

759
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:31.559
<v Speaker 4>out the same identical analog. They point out that, in fact,

760
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:34.239
<v Speaker 4>over seventy percent of the people also believe in miracles.

761
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.440
<v Speaker 4>So what does that prove and what has that got

762
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:39.960
<v Speaker 4>to do with the question at hand? That people can

763
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:42.320
<v Speaker 4>have a stupid opinion about one thing doesn't mean they're

764
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.960
<v Speaker 4>stupid about everything. In fact, Chomsky and Coburn are themselves

765
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 4>evidence of that. In any case, the comparison is between

766
00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:00.679
<v Speaker 4>two different things. They're comparing the public's gollibility about miracles

767
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:03.960
<v Speaker 4>with the public's unwillingness to be gullible about the official

768
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:05.840
<v Speaker 4>line of it being fed and shoved in their.

769
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:07.039
<v Speaker 5>Faces for thirty years.

770
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:07.719
<v Speaker 1>That takes.

771
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:14.840
<v Speaker 5>That's not gullible it at all. Ezion D.

772
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.880
<v Speaker 4>Koburn and Nom Chomsky have told us that we must

773
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:21.559
<v Speaker 4>not reduce great developments in history to conspiracy, for then

774
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:25.320
<v Speaker 4>we lose sight of institution, class, and other systemic factors

775
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:27.800
<v Speaker 4>of American capitalism. I don't need them to tell me

776
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:31.159
<v Speaker 4>about systemic factors in American capitalism. I use a structural

777
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:36.280
<v Speaker 4>analysis in all my writings. But investigating the JFK conspiracy,

778
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:39.000
<v Speaker 4>we are not looking for an escape from something unpleasant

779
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:43.440
<v Speaker 4>and difficult. That's psychiatrist nom Chomsky speaking. But we're hitting

780
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.519
<v Speaker 4>upon the nature of state power and what is supposedly

781
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:50.440
<v Speaker 4>to be a democracy. Conspiracy is not something that's in

782
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.800
<v Speaker 4>contradistinction to structural analysis.

783
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:53.639
<v Speaker 5>It is part of it.

784
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:57.000
<v Speaker 4>These guys will use conspiracy. They will use legitimacy, They

785
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.440
<v Speaker 4>will finance elections, they will use publicity campaigns, they will

786
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:04.000
<v Speaker 4>set up liberalist organizations, they will set up alternative trade

787
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:04.559
<v Speaker 4>union movements.

788
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:06.639
<v Speaker 5>They will use assassins and death squads.

789
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.199
<v Speaker 4>They will use every single conceivable thing there is. And

790
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:10.880
<v Speaker 4>this was one of the things they used when they

791
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.159
<v Speaker 4>had someone who was giving them trouble, when they had

792
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:15.320
<v Speaker 4>someone who was standing in their path because he was

793
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.480
<v Speaker 4>a little too bright and too shiny. When they had

794
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.800
<v Speaker 4>an agenda to save Southeast Asia from communism, they would

795
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:22.039
<v Speaker 4>kill one of their own.

796
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.079
<v Speaker 5>And that is a tremendous revelation.

797
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.280
<v Speaker 4>It was a startling revelation of the American public to

798
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 4>make them realize what kind of a gangster government and

799
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:33.760
<v Speaker 4>national security state we really have in this country and

800
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:44.639
<v Speaker 4>what it does around the world. A structuralist position should

801
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:48.679
<v Speaker 4>not discount the role of human agency in history. Institutions

802
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:53.079
<v Speaker 4>are not self generating forces. The great continuities of corporate

803
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:57.320
<v Speaker 4>and class interest, that's Coburn's phrase, do not happen of

804
00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:01.239
<v Speaker 4>their own accord like reified disembodied social forces.

805
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:03.239
<v Speaker 5>Neither empires nor.

806
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:07.280
<v Speaker 4>National security institutions come into existence and fit apps and mindedness.

807
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:09.960
<v Speaker 4>Although the British elite used to say that the British

808
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:13.119
<v Speaker 4>Empire was accumulated in the fit of apps and mindedness.

809
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.639
<v Speaker 4>Give me a break, Give me a break, as these

810
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:18.639
<v Speaker 4>guys plotted and killed and brought armies in and destroyed,

811
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:21.079
<v Speaker 4>and bribed and murdered and lied and did all the things,

812
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:25.719
<v Speaker 4>and plundered these countries and plundered and plundered them absent minded.

813
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.079
<v Speaker 5>God knows when you focus your attention what you would do.

814
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:37.679
<v Speaker 4>There's a conscious interest being pursued here, and the evidence

815
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:41.239
<v Speaker 4>for it is the state itself. These things, these events

816
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:45.360
<v Speaker 4>are created by willfully intended policymakers who pursue specific interests.

817
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.079
<v Speaker 5>It is the essence of the state and.

818
00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:52.320
<v Speaker 4>The function of state institutions to act as conscious agents

819
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:56.480
<v Speaker 4>in recreating the conditions of politico economic hegemony. That's what

820
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:58.960
<v Speaker 4>it's there for. That's what they're paid to do. To

821
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:02.679
<v Speaker 4>achieve their goals. State leaders, especially those within the national

822
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:07.079
<v Speaker 4>security state, will resort to every necessary form of mass manipulation, deception,

823
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.400
<v Speaker 4>and violence, even against one of their own whom they

824
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:15.559
<v Speaker 4>have come to see as a liability. Conspiratorial action is

825
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 4>not brothers and sisters, is not something separate and exclusive

826
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:26.079
<v Speaker 4>of institutional presence. In fact, there's a constant interplay between

827
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.360
<v Speaker 4>the two. And by the way, this is all this

828
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:33.880
<v Speaker 4>call for constructural analysis, institutional analysis. Where's the institutional analysis

829
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:36.320
<v Speaker 4>in the Nation. All you get, all you get are

830
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:43.000
<v Speaker 4>all conspiracies, incite, intrigues, events, happenings, articles that preoccupy, when

831
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:46.280
<v Speaker 4>imediate policies, issues, events, personality, secret deals, all that kind

832
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:48.880
<v Speaker 4>of stuff. All of them are vastly lesser magnitude than

833
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.679
<v Speaker 4>jfk assassination. Yet, and yet in thirty years, the Nation

834
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.280
<v Speaker 4>and the Progressive have never published a single word by

835
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:57.039
<v Speaker 4>investigators like Peter Dale, Scott and such, except a letter

836
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:02.159
<v Speaker 4>to the editor once in a while. Let me quote

837
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:09.679
<v Speaker 4>from Peter's book Deep Politics. He raises this question of conspiracy,

838
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:13.639
<v Speaker 4>and he points out that ge William Domhoff makes a

839
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:17.199
<v Speaker 4>point very much like coburns. He says, and Peter, I think,

840
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:18.880
<v Speaker 4>makes a point very much like the one I made

841
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:21.760
<v Speaker 4>which I was quoting from, which was in my exchange

842
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:25.079
<v Speaker 4>with Chomsky and Z Magazine about and also with them,

843
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:27.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean with Chomsky and also in the Nation. In

844
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:30.760
<v Speaker 4>my exchange with Coburn, I made this point that conspiracy

845
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:34.039
<v Speaker 4>and institution are not mutually exclusive, and they never have

846
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<v Speaker 4>answered or addressed that point, either to rebut it or

847
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<v Speaker 4>to accept it, or to see how it doesn't apply

848
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:42.599
<v Speaker 4>here or does apply whatever, They just ignore it. Tom

849
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<v Speaker 4>Hooff points out if conspiracy means that these men, meaning

850
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<v Speaker 4>the ruling elites, are aware of their interests, know each

851
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<v Speaker 4>other personally, meet together privately and off the record, and

852
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<v Speaker 4>try to hammer out a consensus on how to anticipate

853
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<v Speaker 4>and react to events and issues, then they there is

854
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<v Speaker 4>some conspiring that goes on in the Council for Foreign Relations,

855
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:07.320
<v Speaker 4>not to mention the Committee for Economic Development, the Business Council,

856
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 4>the National Security Council, and the central intelligence agencies. But

857
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<v Speaker 4>then Domhoff Scott goes on to show to Domhoff Shares

858
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<v Speaker 4>that same kind of resistance that Coburn and Shopsky have

859
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.440
<v Speaker 4>to the idea that an assassination conspiracy could have a

860
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:26.719
<v Speaker 4>lasting impact on our political arrangements. We all have a

861
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.159
<v Speaker 4>tremendous tendency to want to get caught up in believing

862
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.320
<v Speaker 4>there's some secret, evil cause.

863
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:32.920
<v Speaker 5>For all of the obvious ills of the world.

864
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:36.480
<v Speaker 4>Conspiracy theories encourage a belief that if we get rid

865
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:38.760
<v Speaker 4>of a few bad people, everything will be well in

866
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:39.239
<v Speaker 4>the world.

867
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:40.920
<v Speaker 5>He's quoting Domhoff.

868
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:46.199
<v Speaker 4>Then, Peter Answys, I believe that a true understanding of

869
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:49.599
<v Speaker 4>the Kennedy assassination will lead not to a few bad people,

870
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<v Speaker 4>but to the institutional and parapolitical arrangements which constitute the

871
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:58.079
<v Speaker 4>way we are systematically governed. The conspiracies I see as operative,

872
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:01.039
<v Speaker 4>in other words, are part of our policical structure, not

873
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:02.320
<v Speaker 4>exceptions to it.

874
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:04.159
<v Speaker 5>That's Peter Dale Scott.

875
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:09.719
<v Speaker 4>What the left critics do is that they mistaken the

876
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:12.760
<v Speaker 4>low political value of the victim JFK, whom they hate

877
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:17.159
<v Speaker 4>and detest, their big fears that you're going to like him,

878
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:20.960
<v Speaker 4>with the high political importance of the issue and the

879
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:24.320
<v Speaker 4>implications for democracy, the revelation of the gangs, the nature

880
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:24.719
<v Speaker 4>of the state.

881
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:26.320
<v Speaker 5>I mean.

882
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:30.000
<v Speaker 4>Captain Alfred Dreyfus back in eighteen ninety four was a

883
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:34.039
<v Speaker 4>conservative militarist. Clemenceau once conjectured that of his name had

884
00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:36.880
<v Speaker 4>not been Dreyfus, he would have been an anti dreyfussade.

885
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.079
<v Speaker 4>Does that mean that the political struggle waged in La

886
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:42.800
<v Speaker 4>Fair Dreyfus was a waste of time? The issue was

887
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.840
<v Speaker 4>quickly drawn between the right and the left, between those

888
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:48.679
<v Speaker 4>who stood with the army and those who stood with

889
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:50.119
<v Speaker 4>the republic itself.

890
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.599
<v Speaker 5>And with justice. The same with Benino Aquino.

891
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:56.360
<v Speaker 4>Aquino was a member of the privileged class in the Philippines.

892
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 4>He promised no great structural changes. He was even more

893
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:03.000
<v Speaker 4>conservative than Kennedy. Does this mean that the Filipino people

894
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:05.639
<v Speaker 4>should have dismissed the conspiracy that led to his assassination

895
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:08.800
<v Speaker 4>as an event of no experience, So just another ruling

896
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:13.000
<v Speaker 4>class pig, what do we care? Instead, they used it

897
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:16.880
<v Speaker 4>as ammunition against the hated Marcos regime, as a revelation

898
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:21.800
<v Speaker 4>of what that government was really doing. Archbishop Romero of

899
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:25.239
<v Speaker 4>El Salvador, he was a member of the Salvadoran aristocracy.

900
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:26.840
<v Speaker 4>He could not have made it to the top of

901
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.880
<v Speaker 4>the church hierarchy otherwise. When he was ordained, they came

902
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:33.079
<v Speaker 4>with presents, they hugged and kissed him, And the minute

903
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:35.920
<v Speaker 4>he opened up his mouth and made some critical remarks

904
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.000
<v Speaker 4>about the war and some favorable remarks about the poor,

905
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:42.960
<v Speaker 4>he was assassinated. I doubt if he hadn't been assassinated,

906
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.000
<v Speaker 4>the Salvador In history would have been much different. Does

907
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:47.360
<v Speaker 4>this mean that solidarity groups in this country and El

908
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:49.480
<v Speaker 4>Salvador should not have tried to make his murder an

909
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.760
<v Speaker 4>issue that revealed the homicidal gangst the nature of the

910
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:57.760
<v Speaker 4>Salvadoran state. Instead of seizing the opportunity, some left wrights

911
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:02.519
<v Speaker 4>condescendingly ascribe a host of mass psychology, motivations, and emotional

912
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:04.679
<v Speaker 4>needs to those of us who are concerned about the

913
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:10.199
<v Speaker 4>JFK assassination. The psychologize about our illusions, our false dreams,

914
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.760
<v Speaker 4>our longings from messiahs and father figures, and our inability

915
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:18.079
<v Speaker 4>to face unpleasant realities the way they can. They deliver

916
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:22.920
<v Speaker 4>patronizing admonitions about our conspiracy, captivation, and Camelot yearnings. They

917
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:26.000
<v Speaker 4>urge us not to escape into fantasy. They are the

918
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:29.480
<v Speaker 4>cognushinti who guide us and out left us on the

919
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.920
<v Speaker 4>JFK assassination, a subject about which they don't know a

920
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.800
<v Speaker 4>goddamn thing and whose significance they will never be able

921
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:38.000
<v Speaker 4>and have not been able to grasp. I have a

922
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:41.800
<v Speaker 4>different name for our interests. It is not JFK worship.

923
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.360
<v Speaker 4>It's not Camlot yearnings as the left critics would say.

924
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:47.480
<v Speaker 4>It's not big evils and conspiracy titillation, as the mainstream

925
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:50.800
<v Speaker 4>media would say. Our interest is born of democratic struggle,

926
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:53.599
<v Speaker 4>a desire to know what is going on, a desire

927
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:55.760
<v Speaker 4>to have rulers who are worthy of.

928
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:57.400
<v Speaker 5>Our name and the name of democracy.

929
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:14.000
<v Speaker 6>Thank you, New Year, same extra value mules at McDonald's.

930
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.840
<v Speaker 6>Now get a savory stutage, m muffin with a bus

931
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:17.880
<v Speaker 6>hash Browns.

932
00:53:17.599 --> 00:54:43.719
<v Speaker 2>And Okay, due to some last minute repairs, we're gonna

933
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.119
<v Speaker 2>start about ten minutes late on the call in show,

934
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:47.599
<v Speaker 2>and I got to create.

935
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.239
<v Speaker 3>A little spot for our friend b Pete to join

936
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:52.639
<v Speaker 3>with us.

937
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:55.079
<v Speaker 2>And I think we're going to try an experiment in

938
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:57.039
<v Speaker 2>a week or two, might be, might be a couple

939
00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:58.320
<v Speaker 2>of weeks from now, because I want to make sure

940
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:01.079
<v Speaker 2>we got a full on, but we might try a

941
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:03.599
<v Speaker 2>different way for me and be Pete to connect. And

942
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:07.639
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna connect the show to the X platform, because

943
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:09.880
<v Speaker 2>why the hell not. You know what, I got a

944
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:12.360
<v Speaker 2>constant little bill. It's one of my little bills I

945
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:15.280
<v Speaker 2>pay for this network, and we got a blue check mark.

946
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I think we're gonna start using Twitter spaces and see

947
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:23.159
<v Speaker 2>how that grabs some new people. I'm probably gonna get

948
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:27.639
<v Speaker 2>more pissed off hump Trump and Trump humping whatever, jackasses

949
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:31.280
<v Speaker 2>and deranged liberals. But what the hell I mean, I

950
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:34.079
<v Speaker 2>can only work with what speaks English anymore, I guess,

951
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:36.880
<v Speaker 2>and and the bots and such, so.

952
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:38.559
<v Speaker 3>Let's see what happens. We'll go over there.

953
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Who knows, maybe we'll find some woers. But anyway, this

954
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.880
<v Speaker 2>has been a tribute to Michael Parenti obviously, and if

955
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.679
<v Speaker 2>you didn't know who he was or anything else, that's

956
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:51.320
<v Speaker 2>your damn fault, and it's a big fault. Nineteen ninety

957
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:55.000
<v Speaker 2>three gave that lecture JFK and the Gangster State, and

958
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I even let a McDonald's commercial play halfway through at

959
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:01.559
<v Speaker 2>the very end, not because I wanted to, but what

960
00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:03.440
<v Speaker 2>the hell. It's one of the last things on YouTube

961
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:04.840
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't seem to be tainted.

962
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:06.880
<v Speaker 3>With AI, so screw it.

963
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.480
<v Speaker 2>The call in show will begin after I drop off

964
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:14.320
<v Speaker 2>the stream completely, and I'm testing the phone lines. They

965
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:16.320
<v Speaker 2>are working, so you will be able to call in,

966
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:19.559
<v Speaker 2>and I was able to physically fix the broken phone.

967
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:22.480
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know how long this thing's gonna last.

968
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:23.199
<v Speaker 3>I need to buy a.

969
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:26.039
<v Speaker 2>New one, and y on and on it goes. Plus

970
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:28.440
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna get into videos starting in April, one way

971
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:28.960
<v Speaker 2>or another.

972
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:31.039
<v Speaker 3>I went and finally got into an.

973
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:35.000
<v Speaker 2>MRI machine today, and of course it's kind of predictable

974
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:39.679
<v Speaker 2>what happens. You know, I'm getting tired of being asked,

975
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:43.679
<v Speaker 2>why are you still alive? Why are you still walking around?

976
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:49.400
<v Speaker 2>It's fun, but not so much fun. Also, how is

977
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:51.840
<v Speaker 2>it that you removed shrapnel from yourself when you were

978
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:56.039
<v Speaker 2>shot in the leg when you were younger? I am

979
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:59.679
<v Speaker 2>tired of teaching doctors things and most people that listen

980
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:01.880
<v Speaker 2>to this what's left of you?

981
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:02.320
<v Speaker 3>Anyway?

982
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:05.320
<v Speaker 2>You don't care what I have to say anyhow, So

983
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:07.920
<v Speaker 2>screw it. Let's have a little fun. Maybe we'll talk

984
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:11.719
<v Speaker 2>about I don't know, beer and wine and women and

985
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:15.480
<v Speaker 2>song and things that make you throw up in the

986
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:18.440
<v Speaker 2>next couple hours here on the OCHLI dot com radio network,

987
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:20.800
<v Speaker 2>which will be live all the way to past midnight,

988
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:24.320
<v Speaker 2>when the Uncle Show will conclude, because eleven to twelve

989
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:27.360
<v Speaker 2>pm Eastern will be the Uncle Show. Ten to eleven

990
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:31.480
<v Speaker 2>pm Eastern, we'll be Aaron Franz in the Age of Transitions,

991
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<v Speaker 2>and for the next of what remains of up until

992
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:38.599
<v Speaker 2>ten pm Eastern. From eight say pm to ten pm Eastern,

993
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:42.280
<v Speaker 2>although it's already eleven after, you'll get the Ocelli effect

994
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<v Speaker 2>with live call ins and my co host VPT and

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully I don't pass out in the process of this show.

996
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I got one eye closed. Now I got problems. Apparently

997
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I got some broken bones too, and I'm just, you know,

998
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:59.000
<v Speaker 2>struggling to breathe with them and walk around with them.

999
00:57:59.480 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 5>But what the hell?

1000
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:03.119
<v Speaker 2>My suffering doesn't matter. Nobody moves, nobody cares, and I'm

1001
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:04.119
<v Speaker 2>being erased anyway.

1002
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:06.480
<v Speaker 3>So I'm in a great mood.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully you are too, stick around, because the o'elli effect is.

1004
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:15.079
<v Speaker 3>About about to get started.

1005
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:27.239
<v Speaker 5>Conversation. You are the effect.

1006
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:37.440
<v Speaker 7>The decider is broken, revelation, the conversation. Let's stop lines

1007
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:40.199
<v Speaker 7>show effect.

1008
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Revelation, a devastation, revelation.

1009
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:53.519
<v Speaker 5>Effect.

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00:58:53.760 --> 00:59:05.599
<v Speaker 8>You are the effectation to sell the fact revelation conation.

1011
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:13.840
<v Speaker 9>Titian through convers oh shall effect revelation.

1012
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.440
<v Speaker 8>The fas is gone and forgotten.

1013
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:20.039
<v Speaker 9>I'll sell you a fact beyond this place of rat

1014
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:22.760
<v Speaker 9>and sears a little horror of the shame.

1015
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:26.679
<v Speaker 7>And yet the mercy of years finds it shall find

1016
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:27.679
<v Speaker 7>me afraid.

1017
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.519
<v Speaker 8>And that's not a bra deicate, not.

1018
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:32.559
<v Speaker 5>The scroll.

1019
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I am the master of my fate.

1020
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:41.559
<v Speaker 8>I am the chanted of my soul. Funny of fact revelation,

1021
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:48.559
<v Speaker 8>protect the propaganda horse, continued cashing in and teach us

1022
00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:52.760
<v Speaker 8>about religion, keeping score at home. Are people you'd like

1023
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:56.199
<v Speaker 8>to see even by wolves, dis dropped dying soon.

1024
00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:59.400
<v Speaker 7>The tangles are Jacko Tips and his continued ghost stormy

1025
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:03.800
<v Speaker 7>touring streak says God sparred him and decided a firefighter

1026
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:05.039
<v Speaker 7>dies in BA.

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01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:12.639
<v Speaker 9>Revelation conversation Olly a fact, you are the effect.

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01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:14.000
<v Speaker 5>You are the.

1029
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:23.280
<v Speaker 9>Effect relation through conversation, all praise, no straight same revelation

1030
01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:31.079
<v Speaker 9>through conversation, through conversation, all raised restraints.

1031
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:41.280
<v Speaker 8>I tell you affect revelation through conversation, through conversation, all restraints.

1032
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:45.960
<v Speaker 9>I'll tell you effected revelation through conversation.

1033
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:52.679
<v Speaker 8>God as the dead from cold all whatever got me

1034
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:57.880
<v Speaker 8>from my indocorable soul. In the constant circumstance, I have

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01:00:58.039 --> 01:00:58.639
<v Speaker 8>not winced.

1036
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:03.480
<v Speaker 9>No cry allows a chance ahead, bloody about.

1037
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:13.039
<v Speaker 8>You are the effect, the actually effect, compilation through conversation, revelation.

1038
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Conversation effect. You are the effect.

1039
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:25.119
<v Speaker 8>You are the effect. Revelation through conversation, Ball's praise, no.

1040
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:39.039
<v Speaker 9>Street revelation through conversation, revel through conversations, no restraints, all effect.

1041
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:50.440
<v Speaker 8>Revelation through conversation through conversation, all raised, no restraints effect revelation.

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01:01:50.719 --> 01:02:02.320
<v Speaker 8>Through conversation, you a
