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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>a newer entertainment property, and for this week of November

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifth, we're discussing the fourth episode of the new

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<v Speaker 2>season of Shrinking. It is called Made You Look and

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<v Speaker 2>daddy issues are yeah emerging once again.

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<v Speaker 3>Here in this episode we have the.

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<v Speaker 2>Obvious Sean and his dad issues and that spills over

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<v Speaker 2>into Paul as surrogate dad to Jimmy and real dad

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<v Speaker 2>to his daughter Meg.

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<v Speaker 3>Who shows up in this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have Charlie and Brian.

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<v Speaker 3>Brian decides, you know, trying.

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<v Speaker 1>To problematical fathering the next generation.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right, we have Derek being the dad figure to

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<v Speaker 2>Gabby and Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to Derek. Everybody wants to Derek.

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<v Speaker 2>We and then we had Brian. Even we had another

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<v Speaker 2>Brett Goldstein. Oh yeah, sing here once again he knows

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<v Speaker 2>where Jimmy lives.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, well I guess he had Ellis's wallet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>So I figured that's how he knew. Yes, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm interested to see where that goes. I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get more of it in the next episode, obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>But Goldstein's really very good in this, you know, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>exuding non hate ability, no right, as opposed to like,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a case study of Donnie, who, whether he's

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<v Speaker 1>guilty of anything or not, you hate his living guts, yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>and this guy who killed the wife and mother of

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<v Speaker 1>the main characters. But look at that face. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>seems really sad about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So a lot of a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of good casting, a lot of therapy going on, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of dad a lot of parenting going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, both in terms of.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, parenting parents, parenting their actual children, and then

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<v Speaker 2>people observing those parents right trying to learn from them

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<v Speaker 2>or trying to learn what not to do from them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So did I liked the new Derek that that

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<v Speaker 2>showed up. That was cute?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Jean of him Nim and Wayne's junior, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Believe him and Gabby flirting in the driveway was adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they're flirting has been great. I really think

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<v Speaker 1>that this will be a good a good direction we're

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<v Speaker 1>going in the whole thing with Gabby and her sister

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<v Speaker 1>and her mother. Though it's going to provide us with

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<v Speaker 1>good parenting material, just seems like a little like more

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<v Speaker 1>of the same. But okay, and I do wonder what's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen with Sean and his dad. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's good that they're working together because then

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to have to work together. Yeah, whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is. But did the dad just quit his john Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Good question. Yeah, it seemed like the dad had an

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<v Speaker 2>entire other job, so it's just like.

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<v Speaker 1>And like in a managerial way, like he was working

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<v Speaker 1>at Wendy's.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope he didn't quit his job for this.

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<v Speaker 1>Day off because it's a couple of vacations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because, you know, for for Sean's sake, I hope

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't last forever and Sean can get back to

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<v Speaker 2>doing it the way he likes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean I think Liz would buy back in yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I just it's you don't from our parenting

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<v Speaker 1>the bad guy. I really would like him to not

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<v Speaker 1>come back and say you're living with your therapist and

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<v Speaker 1>what is the matter with you and do things that

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<v Speaker 1>are going to set Sean off. I would like him

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<v Speaker 1>to take a step back and go, yeah, he told

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<v Speaker 1>me he was in trouble, but I didn't listen and

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<v Speaker 1>have a good you know. As with every show in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, of course, but this one particularly, people could

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<v Speaker 1>just sit down and talk to each other works out

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<v Speaker 1>real well. Apparently Sean and Liz had to go to

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<v Speaker 1>Paul's office to be able to sit down and talk

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<v Speaker 1>to each other, and it worked out real well. So

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<v Speaker 1>could Sean and his dad just have a conversation, hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>not in the food truck where, you know, but just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to admit that mistakes were made and that

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<v Speaker 1>Sean is doing his best. I really don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to where he's going into a white hot

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<v Speaker 1>rage and hitting people even if they deserve it. So hmm,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that the dad seeing him go into Jimmy's

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<v Speaker 1>house seemed to be preparing for him to get on

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<v Speaker 1>his high horse when talking to his son again, and

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<v Speaker 1>I do you not want?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And what was the dad even doing there?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like what and how did he get how

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<v Speaker 1>did he get there.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean?

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<v Speaker 1>Or well, I mean Sean might have his address on

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<v Speaker 1>something if that's his official residence for the moment and

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<v Speaker 1>his mailing address, then he might have had that address

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<v Speaker 1>on something, right or Liz, you know, he could have

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<v Speaker 1>been going to Liz's house and seeing Sean walking in.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not necessarily weird, but I just didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>it because it seems to be setting something up that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to see. So let's hope the dad

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<v Speaker 1>has not shown himself to be an irredeemable jerk. He's

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<v Speaker 1>shown himself to just maybe be trying trying in the

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<v Speaker 1>way that he knows how to try, which is not

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<v Speaker 1>what Seawn needs. So please, for the sake of all

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<v Speaker 1>parents out there were watching this and win saying, please

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<v Speaker 1>let the dad be good. Please let the dad do

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing, let him be okay. Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>just I think we've come to the end of this

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<v Speaker 1>tension and it needs to resolve. Yeah, and she just like,

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<v Speaker 1>now make and just to tell her dad, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how you like how you didn't raise me for a

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<v Speaker 1>teen years.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they got a joking.

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<v Speaker 1>They're joking back and forth. Yeah, they got there, they

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<v Speaker 1>got their issues, but it's not a big thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he flew across the country to watch your son's school

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<v Speaker 1>play and now it's all good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And that was thanks to the influence of doctor Julie,

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<v Speaker 2>who wasn't in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I missed her, me too. This sounds like next

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<v Speaker 1>episode we're going to get the ex wife, so right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean played by Kelly Bishop.

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<v Speaker 2>This show, Like, let's have another new character, like you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Like we got the second Derek

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<v Speaker 2>we got yes, I mean this season obviously we've got

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<v Speaker 2>Brett Goldstein's character.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a big thing. But like they're not stopping. No,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm bringing it more people.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yep, yep. Well let's you know, hang out comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I wanted to be, So more folks can

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<v Speaker 1>come hang out. That's fine. Some of them were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of coming and going. So, you know, if if Charlie's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be in it more, if Derek's Derek definitely

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be in it more since he's now

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<v Speaker 1>on the opening credits, the Derek yes, Ted mc yes, delightful. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>in all uses. But at the same time, while y'all

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<v Speaker 1>adults are dealing with your stuff, the kids are messed up,

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody noticed the kids are messed up. I am

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<v Speaker 1>at least happy that when we saw that. Indeed, Alice

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<v Speaker 1>and Connor went beyond kissing. At least this time the

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<v Speaker 1>music Q was making bad decisions over and over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again. Not make mistakes, It's okay making bad decisions. Yeah, yes, Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>why were they in his room? Why would they not

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<v Speaker 1>have gone to her room? I don't know, just because

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<v Speaker 1>the publy jokes of uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, of Derek, ye dear.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh Summer sort of suspects something weird is going on,

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<v Speaker 1>which is very understandable, because they were looking all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they looked very guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>No poker faces on these kids.

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<v Speaker 2>At least they are aligned in that this was a

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<v Speaker 2>mistake and we don't want Summer to know, at least

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<v Speaker 2>it seems.

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<v Speaker 1>And do we think that that will work for them?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I definitely don't think it will work for them.

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<v Speaker 2>But at least it's not like he's all, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>back to mooning off over her and right, yeah, she

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<v Speaker 2>and she knows she messed up.

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<v Speaker 1>And although I do think that if she had said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>thank goodness, this is what I wanted all along, he

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<v Speaker 1>would have been fine with it. So's you know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's uh a malleable.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna say, yes, he's he's easily influenced.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yes, as long as somebody's having sex with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really right moon over whoever is uh? Hear me?

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<v Speaker 1>At the moment. That's actually a very a very cute character,

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<v Speaker 1>and the actor does well with it. I like him,

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<v Speaker 1>just just sort of like I. Yes, indeed, So how

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<v Speaker 1>do we feel about the plot line of fairly shortly

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<v Speaker 1>after getting married, one spouse saying, oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>did I mention that I want kids and I want

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<v Speaker 1>them right now and I want them very badly? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean that seems Charlie was getting into some

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<v Speaker 4>technicalities like oh yeah, you said you didn't want kids,

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<v Speaker 4>and I said I didn't mind or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know he was.

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<v Speaker 2>He was definitely trying to be like, well, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>agree to that specifically, I don't know he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was, But that is something that you say when

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<v Speaker 1>you are dating, and then when you decide to get married,

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<v Speaker 1>that is when you say, hey, you know how I

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<v Speaker 1>said this. I really think that you should know that

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<v Speaker 1>I meant that and we should figure that out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but like Charlie seems like a very charming dude. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's not good. No, don't do.

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<v Speaker 2>That because most people, well, I mean, he may have

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<v Speaker 2>sort of assumed that what would happen what happened would happen,

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<v Speaker 2>which was that he'd be able to change Brian's mind,

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<v Speaker 2>which again, is not a good way to start off.

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<v Speaker 1>Your marriage, your marriage, or your parenthood either.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that's dicey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it works out for them, but not I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to. I liked that character and would prefer him

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<v Speaker 1>not be that sort of manipulative right eye that he

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<v Speaker 1>turns out to be. Yeah, but we didn't really know

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<v Speaker 1>him that well last season. No, so, and I mean

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<v Speaker 1>Brian's for not wanting one. Also not.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly said in cement, but right and fairly common right,

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<v Speaker 2>like exactly I didn't have the parenting I wanted or needed,

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<v Speaker 2>so therefore I don't want to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, This is the kind of thing that you should

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<v Speaker 1>maybe talk to a therapist about.

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<v Speaker 3>A good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows a couple.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was thinking there was like at least two

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<v Speaker 1>therapists at this discussion of Oh, yeah, just be a

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<v Speaker 1>dad you a little bit, it'll be great Anderson, should

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<v Speaker 1>they not be saying, hey, buddy, this is a complicated issue.

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<v Speaker 1>It has deep roots in your psyche and your family history.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a time open, right, how much money I.

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<v Speaker 3>Swing by the office?

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<v Speaker 2>Goes, We're gonna get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you could just sit in the break room and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll come here. Go yeah, with you.

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<v Speaker 2>We are frequently available in the breakroom as long as

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<v Speaker 2>you bring some ice cream. Well, next week we will

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<v Speaker 2>discuss the fifth episode of season two. It is called

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<v Speaker 2>Honesty Era. So hey, oh, people.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking to each other maybe telling about that.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll find out.

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<v Speaker 1>So, in other words, no more.

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<v Speaker 2>Lies exactly, but is it going to be as effective

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<v Speaker 2>as yeah? Good question.

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<v Speaker 3>Well we'll find out. We but we will see you

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<v Speaker 3>back here tomorrow for.

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<v Speaker 1>Us could have really used a therapist. Can I mention

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<v Speaker 1>they got a doctor? They couldn't have a psychologist there too,

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<v Speaker 1>because that person could have racked up some billable hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it'll just be a little sign saying daddy

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<v Speaker 1>issues question mark, come see.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, Come see me.

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<v Speaker 3>My schedule is my calendar.

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<v Speaker 1>Is clear like a Lucy van Pelt.

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<v Speaker 2>The doctor is in.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry anyway, wrong show.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, next week it'll be Honesty Era on Shrinking.

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<v Speaker 2>That's next Wednesday, and we'll see you here tomorrow for

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<v Speaker 2>our weekly Roundabout roundup.

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