Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on
Speaker 2: a newer entertainment property, and for this week of November
Speaker 2: twenty fifth, we're discussing the fourth episode of the new
Speaker 2: season of Shrinking. It is called Made You Look and
Speaker 2: daddy issues are yeah emerging once again.
Speaker 3: Here in this episode we have the.
Speaker 2: Obvious Sean and his dad issues and that spills over
Speaker 2: into Paul as surrogate dad to Jimmy and real dad
Speaker 2: to his daughter Meg.
Speaker 3: Who shows up in this episode.
Speaker 2: And we have Charlie and Brian.
Speaker 3: Brian decides, you know, trying.
Speaker 1: To problematical fathering the next generation.
Speaker 2: Right, right, we have Derek being the dad figure to
Speaker 2: Gabby and Brian.
Speaker 1: I want to Derek. Everybody wants to Derek.
Speaker 2: We and then we had Brian. Even we had another
Speaker 2: Brett Goldstein. Oh yeah, sing here once again he knows
Speaker 2: where Jimmy lives.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well I guess he had Ellis's wallet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: So I figured that's how he knew. Yes, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see where that goes. I think we're
Speaker 1: going to get more of it in the next episode, obviously.
Speaker 1: But Goldstein's really very good in this, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: exuding non hate ability, no right, as opposed to like,
Speaker 1: we have a case study of Donnie, who, whether he's
Speaker 1: guilty of anything or not, you hate his living guts, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and this guy who killed the wife and mother of
Speaker 1: the main characters. But look at that face. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: seems really sad about it.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So a lot of a lot.
Speaker 1: Of good casting, a lot of therapy going on, a
Speaker 1: lot of dad a lot of parenting going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, both in terms of.
Speaker 2: You know, parenting parents, parenting their actual children, and then
Speaker 2: people observing those parents right trying to learn from them
Speaker 2: or trying to learn what not to do from them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So did I liked the new Derek that that
Speaker 2: showed up. That was cute?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jean of him Nim and Wayne's junior, I.
Speaker 2: Believe him and Gabby flirting in the driveway was adorable.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're flirting has been great. I really think
Speaker 1: that this will be a good a good direction we're
Speaker 1: going in the whole thing with Gabby and her sister
Speaker 1: and her mother. Though it's going to provide us with
Speaker 1: good parenting material, just seems like a little like more
Speaker 1: of the same. But okay, and I do wonder what's
Speaker 1: going to happen with Sean and his dad. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's good that they're working together because then
Speaker 1: they're going to have to work together. Yeah, whatever the
Speaker 1: thing is. But did the dad just quit his john Yeah?
Speaker 2: Good question. Yeah, it seemed like the dad had an
Speaker 2: entire other job, so it's just like.
Speaker 1: And like in a managerial way, like he was working
Speaker 1: at Wendy's.
Speaker 2: I hope he didn't quit his job for this.
Speaker 1: Day off because it's a couple of vacations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because, you know, for for Sean's sake, I hope
Speaker 2: it doesn't last forever and Sean can get back to
Speaker 2: doing it the way he likes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I think Liz would buy back in yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just it's you don't from our parenting
Speaker 1: point of view, I really want the dad to be
Speaker 1: the bad guy. I really would like him to not
Speaker 1: come back and say you're living with your therapist and
Speaker 1: what is the matter with you and do things that
Speaker 1: are going to set Sean off. I would like him
Speaker 1: to take a step back and go, yeah, he told
Speaker 1: me he was in trouble, but I didn't listen and
Speaker 1: have a good you know. As with every show in
Speaker 1: the world, of course, but this one particularly, people could
Speaker 1: just sit down and talk to each other works out
Speaker 1: real well. Apparently Sean and Liz had to go to
Speaker 1: Paul's office to be able to sit down and talk
Speaker 1: to each other, and it worked out real well. So
Speaker 1: could Sean and his dad just have a conversation, hopefully
Speaker 1: not in the food truck where, you know, but just
Speaker 1: you know, to admit that mistakes were made and that
Speaker 1: Sean is doing his best. I really don't want to
Speaker 1: go back to where he's going into a white hot
Speaker 1: rage and hitting people even if they deserve it. So hmm,
Speaker 1: I hope that the dad seeing him go into Jimmy's
Speaker 1: house seemed to be preparing for him to get on
Speaker 1: his high horse when talking to his son again, and
Speaker 1: I do you not want?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And what was the dad even doing there?
Speaker 1: You know, like what and how did he get how
Speaker 1: did he get there.
Speaker 2: Sean?
Speaker 1: Or well, I mean Sean might have his address on
Speaker 1: something if that's his official residence for the moment and
Speaker 1: his mailing address, then he might have had that address
Speaker 1: on something, right or Liz, you know, he could have
Speaker 1: been going to Liz's house and seeing Sean walking in.
Speaker 1: So it's not necessarily weird, but I just didn't like
Speaker 1: it because it seems to be setting something up that
Speaker 1: I don't want to see. So let's hope the dad
Speaker 1: has not shown himself to be an irredeemable jerk. He's
Speaker 1: shown himself to just maybe be trying trying in the
Speaker 1: way that he knows how to try, which is not
Speaker 1: what Seawn needs. So please, for the sake of all
Speaker 1: parents out there were watching this and win saying, please
Speaker 1: let the dad be good. Please let the dad do
Speaker 1: a good thing, let him be okay. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I think we've come to the end of this
Speaker 1: tension and it needs to resolve. Yeah, and she just like,
Speaker 1: now make and just to tell her dad, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: how you like how you didn't raise me for a
Speaker 1: teen years.
Speaker 3: You know, they got a joking.
Speaker 1: They're joking back and forth. Yeah, they got there, they
Speaker 1: got their issues, but it's not a big thing. You know,
Speaker 1: he flew across the country to watch your son's school
Speaker 1: play and now it's all good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that was thanks to the influence of doctor Julie,
Speaker 2: who wasn't in this episode.
Speaker 1: No, I missed her, me too. This sounds like next
Speaker 1: episode we're going to get the ex wife, so right,
Speaker 1: I mean played by Kelly Bishop.
Speaker 2: This show, Like, let's have another new character, like you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like we got the second Derek
Speaker 2: we got yes, I mean this season obviously we've got
Speaker 2: Brett Goldstein's character.
Speaker 3: That's a big thing. But like they're not stopping. No,
Speaker 3: I'm bringing it more people.
Speaker 1: Okay, yep, yep. Well let's you know, hang out comedy.
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to be, So more folks can
Speaker 1: come hang out. That's fine. Some of them were kind
Speaker 1: of coming and going. So, you know, if if Charlie's
Speaker 1: going to be in it more, if Derek's Derek definitely
Speaker 1: is going to be in it more since he's now
Speaker 1: on the opening credits, the Derek yes, Ted mc yes, delightful. Yes,
Speaker 1: in all uses. But at the same time, while y'all
Speaker 1: adults are dealing with your stuff, the kids are messed up,
Speaker 1: and somebody noticed the kids are messed up. I am
Speaker 1: at least happy that when we saw that. Indeed, Alice
Speaker 1: and Connor went beyond kissing. At least this time the
Speaker 1: music Q was making bad decisions over and over and
Speaker 1: over again. Not make mistakes, It's okay making bad decisions. Yeah, yes, Indeed,
Speaker 1: why were they in his room? Why would they not
Speaker 1: have gone to her room? I don't know, just because
Speaker 1: the publy jokes of uh.
Speaker 2: You know, of Derek, ye dear.
Speaker 1: And uh Summer sort of suspects something weird is going on,
Speaker 1: which is very understandable, because they were looking all kinds
Speaker 1: of uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they looked very guilty.
Speaker 1: No poker faces on these kids.
Speaker 2: At least they are aligned in that this was a
Speaker 2: mistake and we don't want Summer to know, at least
Speaker 2: it seems.
Speaker 1: And do we think that that will work for them?
Speaker 3: No, I definitely don't think it will work for them.
Speaker 2: But at least it's not like he's all, you know,
Speaker 2: back to mooning off over her and right, yeah, she
Speaker 2: and she knows she messed up.
Speaker 1: And although I do think that if she had said, oh,
Speaker 1: thank goodness, this is what I wanted all along, he
Speaker 1: would have been fine with it. So's you know, he's
Speaker 1: he's uh a malleable.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, yes, he's he's easily influenced.
Speaker 1: I think, yes, as long as somebody's having sex with me.
Speaker 1: I don't really right moon over whoever is uh? Hear me?
Speaker 1: At the moment. That's actually a very a very cute character,
Speaker 1: and the actor does well with it. I like him,
Speaker 1: just just sort of like I. Yes, indeed, So how
Speaker 1: do we feel about the plot line of fairly shortly
Speaker 1: after getting married, one spouse saying, oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: did I mention that I want kids and I want
Speaker 1: them right now and I want them very badly? Oh?
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that seems Charlie was getting into some
Speaker 4: technicalities like oh yeah, you said you didn't want kids,
Speaker 4: and I said I didn't mind or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know he was.
Speaker 2: He was definitely trying to be like, well, I didn't
Speaker 2: agree to that specifically, I don't know he was.
Speaker 1: He was, But that is something that you say when
Speaker 1: you are dating, and then when you decide to get married,
Speaker 1: that is when you say, hey, you know how I
Speaker 1: said this. I really think that you should know that
Speaker 1: I meant that and we should figure that out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like Charlie seems like a very charming dude. But
Speaker 1: that's not good. No, don't do.
Speaker 2: That because most people, well, I mean, he may have
Speaker 2: sort of assumed that what would happen what happened would happen,
Speaker 2: which was that he'd be able to change Brian's mind,
Speaker 2: which again, is not a good way to start off.
Speaker 1: Your marriage, your marriage, or your parenthood either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: You know that's dicey.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hope it works out for them, but not I
Speaker 1: wanted to. I liked that character and would prefer him
Speaker 1: not be that sort of manipulative right eye that he
Speaker 1: turns out to be. Yeah, but we didn't really know
Speaker 1: him that well last season. No, so, and I mean
Speaker 1: Brian's for not wanting one. Also not.
Speaker 2: Exactly said in cement, but right and fairly common right,
Speaker 2: like exactly I didn't have the parenting I wanted or needed,
Speaker 2: so therefore I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: Right, This is the kind of thing that you should
Speaker 1: maybe talk to a therapist about.
Speaker 3: A good thing.
Speaker 2: He knows a couple.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking there was like at least two
Speaker 1: therapists at this discussion of Oh, yeah, just be a
Speaker 1: dad you a little bit, it'll be great Anderson, should
Speaker 1: they not be saying, hey, buddy, this is a complicated issue.
Speaker 1: It has deep roots in your psyche and your family history.
Speaker 1: I have a time open, right, how much money I.
Speaker 3: Swing by the office?
Speaker 2: Goes, We're gonna get it.
Speaker 1: Or you could just sit in the break room and
Speaker 1: we'll come here. Go yeah, with you.
Speaker 2: We are frequently available in the breakroom as long as
Speaker 2: you bring some ice cream. Well, next week we will
Speaker 2: discuss the fifth episode of season two. It is called
Speaker 2: Honesty Era. So hey, oh, people.
Speaker 3: Talking to each other maybe telling about that.
Speaker 2: We'll find out.
Speaker 1: So, in other words, no more.
Speaker 2: Lies exactly, but is it going to be as effective
Speaker 2: as yeah? Good question.
Speaker 3: Well we'll find out. We but we will see you
Speaker 3: back here tomorrow for.
Speaker 1: Us could have really used a therapist. Can I mention
Speaker 1: they got a doctor? They couldn't have a psychologist there too,
Speaker 1: because that person could have racked up some billable hours.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it'll just be a little sign saying daddy
Speaker 1: issues question mark, come see.
Speaker 2: Me, Come see me.
Speaker 3: My schedule is my calendar.
Speaker 1: Is clear like a Lucy van Pelt.
Speaker 2: The doctor is in.
Speaker 1: Sorry anyway, wrong show.
Speaker 2: So yeah, next week it'll be Honesty Era on Shrinking.
Speaker 2: That's next Wednesday, and we'll see you here tomorrow for
Speaker 2: our weekly Roundabout roundup.
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