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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news

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<v Speaker 1>radio Daylon Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>Backhead lost the ball, Ananoby all by himself blows it down.

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<v Speaker 3>And Titum is hurt.

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<v Speaker 4>Taratum is down. He wants a time out. Titum is

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<v Speaker 4>so much pain.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a Celtics called time out, grabbing that right ankle.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's the final time out. Well the Bosston.

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<v Speaker 2>Celtics, but more importantly, Tatum really.

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<v Speaker 4>Shake it up and perhaps the reason the Knicks are

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<v Speaker 4>still in this thing and up on the Pacers. As

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<v Speaker 4>d Andrews told you fifty six forty five, Dan Shaughnessy

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<v Speaker 4>Judge's boss a globe. Uh Dan, if you have by

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<v Speaker 4>the way, I need to tell people if you haven't

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<v Speaker 4>read the book, I wish it lasted forever. It covers

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<v Speaker 4>the eighty Celtics. We're going to get into that coming up.

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<v Speaker 4>And also Dan's and parents on Celtic City with Bill Simmons,

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<v Speaker 4>which was great. But we're going to talk about the

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<v Speaker 4>team in the current situation. So Dandy, thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Gary, good to be here.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen. So what do you think if Tatum doesn't get hurt,

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<v Speaker 4>did they come back and are they playing Indiana right now.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, that series was already over. I mean, in

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<v Speaker 2>my view, I mean teams have come back with three

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<v Speaker 2>to one. That game was over. It was Game four,

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<v Speaker 2>so they were going down three to one. Whether Tatum

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<v Speaker 2>was on the floor or not. It was like nine

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<v Speaker 2>or eleven two minutes to play when that happened. They

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<v Speaker 2>weren't going to win that game. And you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>could say they could come back and win the next

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<v Speaker 2>three and still be playing it, but I'm not buying that.

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<v Speaker 2>Every team has injuries this time of year. Had that

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<v Speaker 2>happened in the first game of the series, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a legit excuse. But they the three games they lost,

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<v Speaker 2>they had leads of twenty, twenty and fourteen points in

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<v Speaker 2>the second half. That was a collapse. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to hear the excuse thing. They shouldn't use it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, we're still hearing about Jalen Brown's

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<v Speaker 2>meniscus whatever. He may not even have surgery. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>something that they play through. So I'm just there's too

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<v Speaker 2>much of that. I mean, Porzingis was clearly was clearly limited,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's kind of him. I mean, he only played

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<v Speaker 2>and I think less than half the playoff games last year,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody remembers, you know, twenty one in the first

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<v Speaker 2>half of Game one of the finals against Dallas. But

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<v Speaker 2>he really wasn't a factor most of the time in

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<v Speaker 2>their great run last year when they were sixteen and

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<v Speaker 2>three in the playoffs. So this is a whole other

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<v Speaker 2>thing this year, and it should still strike Boston fans.

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<v Speaker 2>Is wildly disappointing that they did not do better.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I thought they'd be mentally tough. Now, could they

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<v Speaker 4>have defeated Indiana? I think the Pacers are a lot

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<v Speaker 4>better than we think, but they shouldn't have lost the

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<v Speaker 4>series against the Knicks. Without question. The first two games

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<v Speaker 4>they blew it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean twenty point leagues at home. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>unheard of in the playoffs. In the second half, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they and there was a stat they were ahead

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<v Speaker 2>going into that Game five or Game six, yeah, game six.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they were ahead in eighty four percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the minutes played in that series. They were always ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>They were the better team and they got beat. That's

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<v Speaker 2>like Dandrew Keett Moore days in first place. We can

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<v Speaker 2>do that stuff forever, but it doesn't do him any good.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know my eyes told me, and they had

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<v Speaker 2>beaten those guys eight out of nine over the last

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<v Speaker 2>two years, an average of twenty one point wins. In

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<v Speaker 2>this season when they were four and zero against them,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it just again, there's just no excuse for

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to them.

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder if Missoula is too much of a fan

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<v Speaker 4>of the team or a concierge of the team, or

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<v Speaker 4>a defender of the three, which I thought was crazy,

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<v Speaker 4>or is he a coach. I mean, you got to

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<v Speaker 4>look to coaching in that thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you've hit it with the three thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know there's all about the analytics. They kind of

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<v Speaker 2>think they're a little smart and everybody, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't buy it. I mean, when you when

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<v Speaker 2>you say it's a make miss league, that's not good enough.

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<v Speaker 2>When you have the better players, when you have the

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<v Speaker 2>better players, you use that, you go to the basket,

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<v Speaker 2>you do things that can demonstrate your better players. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't just take a chance on hitting the three every night.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know that that was their strategy. It was

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<v Speaker 2>always preferable. They took the most in the history of

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<v Speaker 2>the league, and the team before him that did that

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<v Speaker 2>was Houston never won a championship. It's just not a formula.

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<v Speaker 2>And you watch the teams that are still playing, no

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<v Speaker 2>one comes near what they did with that three point weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just not a playoff strategy. And it was certainly

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<v Speaker 2>good enough for sixty one wins, and they won a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of games shorthanded. You remember, there were very few

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<v Speaker 2>nights they had everybody right, and they're just so deep

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<v Speaker 2>and well put together by Brad Stevens that they were

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<v Speaker 2>able to do that. But yeah, I mean the Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 2>City they would have been interesting in my view because

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<v Speaker 2>they were zero and two against that team. And I

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<v Speaker 2>thought last year Denver would have been interesting. They were

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<v Speaker 2>owing to against Denver. Turn the season never gotten into

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<v Speaker 2>the playoffs. So again we don't know. You just ifs

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<v Speaker 2>some butts and all that stuff, but but it's it

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<v Speaker 2>still sticks with me that they should still be playing

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not, and and it's just it went from

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<v Speaker 2>oh God, they're gonna win another championship back to back

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<v Speaker 2>to rebuild in a matter of like five days.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think of Madula?

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<v Speaker 2>I like Joe personally, and I think he knows a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about basketball. I think he has the room I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's really important in this in this sport, that

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<v Speaker 2>the guys, you know, Tatum is a big, a big fan,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's important is I mean, it really matters these days.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just don't like the analytics driven stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>and and how how tired they seemed to be to that,

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, they were time out issues. I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>first game, he just some of the stuff they were trying,

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<v Speaker 2>it was was just it was just silly and he

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<v Speaker 2>looked at these stretches. But he and then Joe's not

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<v Speaker 2>calling timeouts really burned him in game two, the overtime games.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's stuff. That's stuff still there. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>not going anywhere, believe me. I mean, Press Stevens loves him,

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<v Speaker 2>the players love him, and it's really sort of a

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<v Speaker 2>MIoD point what you think.

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<v Speaker 4>And also the year before last year when they won

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<v Speaker 4>the championship, we all know that some stars were injured,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Miami, Indy, they had lost some of their

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<v Speaker 4>big guns. Butler was down in Miami. And also it

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't the three point shot that won that championship. It

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<v Speaker 4>was the intangibles by Drew Holliday. It was the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that Jason Tatum couldn't make threes and we get fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>rebounds a game. It was that they actually played some

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<v Speaker 4>defense and that Porzingis could go down low and be

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<v Speaker 4>they just warneds depended on the three. The thing that

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<v Speaker 4>frustrated me is they were trying. They got lazy. That's it, Dan,

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<v Speaker 4>That's the way I see it. This year's team got

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<v Speaker 4>so you see, that's why they get black.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt that way all year. The only time they

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<v Speaker 2>lose is when they got bored, but just in intentive

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<v Speaker 2>or taking things for granted. And that seemed to be

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're always going to lose your eighteen twenty games,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care how good you are. And and winning

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<v Speaker 2>sixty one is good, it's not a guarantee. And Cleveland

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<v Speaker 2>won sixty four or five and they went home the

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<v Speaker 2>same same quick speed. They just weren't playing well at

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<v Speaker 2>the end. But I just thought the bosson team was

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<v Speaker 2>so hit, so much depth. But you know, your reference

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<v Speaker 2>holiday in Porzingis, and in this case being a year

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<v Speaker 2>older is not good for them. Always been a leaked

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen years and put in you know, al Horford's thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty nine years old. And there were times when you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when they were playing the next on Horford was Garden Brunts,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of the time they had everybody trying to

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<v Speaker 2>guard Brunson and and they just they weren't able to

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<v Speaker 2>contain him when when it mattered the most. And then

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<v Speaker 2>going back, I mean, there was really kind of no

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<v Speaker 2>excuse for the lay down in New York for Game six.

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<v Speaker 2>That was really disappointing. And they were behind by forty

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<v Speaker 2>two points in that game, yep, and that's that's just

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that tells you that's that's quitting. They just

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<v Speaker 2>they just gave up. And we'd never thought we'd would

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<v Speaker 2>see that out of this team. So yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, that's a sorrow one for me. I

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<v Speaker 2>had the empty frame on my wall here ready to

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<v Speaker 2>put the page one Championship nineteenth banner here, and that

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<v Speaker 2>frame is still empty. I'm not quite sure how that happened.

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<v Speaker 4>All Right, we're going to talk to Dan about what's

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<v Speaker 4>down the road with the Celtics. Also, he was in

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<v Speaker 4>Celtic City, which was a terrific documentary and if you

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<v Speaker 4>haven't read his book Wish It Lasted Forever about the

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<v Speaker 4>eighty Celtics, you really should pick it.

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<v Speaker 3>Up.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a great read. We'll get into that coming up

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<v Speaker 4>next on WBZ.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 4>Back here with Dan Shaughnessy, Bost The Globe, Gary Tag

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<v Speaker 4>rag tonight. So Tatum's out for the year and holiday.

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<v Speaker 4>I think his better days of passing by this talk

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<v Speaker 4>of baby him being moved to Dallas and Porzingis has

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<v Speaker 4>a year left and you don't know if he's dependable.

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<v Speaker 4>So we've gone from the possibility of winning or the

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<v Speaker 4>certainty at least in my mind of winning two in

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<v Speaker 4>a row, to a rebuild a year off. How do

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<v Speaker 4>we look at this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's really going to be a challenge. Brad Stevens

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<v Speaker 2>is good. I have a lot of paith in him,

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<v Speaker 2>and they tend to surprise you with things that we

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<v Speaker 2>haven't speculated on or route about, or they're they're good

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<v Speaker 2>at that at keeping things close to the best. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping there's something we haven't thought of that's on

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<v Speaker 2>the horizon away for them to still be a contender

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<v Speaker 2>next year. But on paper everything you just referenced, knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that that Tatum's not going to be on the team

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't count on them for the whole year,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the only way to look at this. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you do? And do you continue to pay the

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<v Speaker 2>have the payroll they have and pay the luxury tax

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<v Speaker 2>penalties that they that are built in with a team

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<v Speaker 2>that can't win the championship? Well the answer is pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much no. You got new ownership there, which they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the equity in the team that the last guy's had,

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<v Speaker 2>and why would they start off working in the red

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<v Speaker 2>with a product that can't win a championship? So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all those things, and you didn't you mentioned Al Horford's

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<v Speaker 2>an unrestricted free agent. I can't imagine why he would

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<v Speaker 2>re up in Boston unless they were serious contenders win

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA Championship in that last year. Otherwise he should

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<v Speaker 2>go somewhere that is now, the East isn't that strong,

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean you just I think you're a team

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<v Speaker 4>in waiting. I've had this debate with my friends. I've

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<v Speaker 4>love with all these other players, whether it's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>And SGA is a great player. Don't get me wrong,

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<v Speaker 4>I would take Jason Tatum over anybody, hands down. Some

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<v Speaker 4>of my friends have tried to blame him for what

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<v Speaker 4>not on him. I think Jason Tatum for me, is

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<v Speaker 2>Well he and you know, oddly, he was having one

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<v Speaker 2>He was just just lighting it up and from the

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<v Speaker 2>longest range threes I've ever seen on a steady basis

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<v Speaker 2>that night, and yeah, and just rebound steals the whole package.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that what do you say, Gary, His ceiling

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<v Speaker 2>is probably higher than anybody out there now, including SGA

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<v Speaker 2>or Anthony Edwards or what.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you get Anthony Edwards. I mean the Baby Jordan thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Tatum's been you know, Tatum has been Top

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<v Speaker 2>NBA First Team. So he's he's right there and it

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<v Speaker 2>can still be more. And he's still relatively young in

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<v Speaker 2>That was the one thing that never really touched Tatum

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<v Speaker 2>Brown to the degree that we're seeing now. So this

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<v Speaker 2>he comes back from this? I mean, if some guys

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<v Speaker 2>aren't ever the same, so we'll be that's true. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean joking, what's there?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the Joker and Luca, they don't play defense.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, come on, I mean Tatum doesn't. Forget about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, those guys they remind me of some of

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<v Speaker 4>my friends playing in the Thursday night beer League, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the floor. I want to talk about Celtic City and

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<v Speaker 4>also again if you haven't, if you missed Dan's book

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<v Speaker 4>will shuld Lasted Forever and you are in a Celtics trait.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a great read. A lot of people think of

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<v Speaker 4>Dan as the baseball guy, which he certainly is. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean he's been recognized by Cooperstown, but also he covered

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<v Speaker 4>the Celtics in the mid eighties. He was there for

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<v Speaker 4>the Glory years called Scoop affectionately question mark by Larry Bird,

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<v Speaker 4>So check that out. But you were great in Celtics City.

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<v Speaker 4>It was great seeing you and Jackie and Bob Ryan

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<v Speaker 4>and I had a chance to see you at the premiere.

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<v Speaker 4>What was that experience like and what did you think

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<v Speaker 4>of the series?

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<v Speaker 2>I love this series. It's really a keyper and to

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<v Speaker 2>have nine parts, and it's nice that you can always

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we watched several of them, and for younger people,

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<v Speaker 2>just a history of those early decades in the sixties

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<v Speaker 2>in particular, you know they won eleven and thirteen years

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<v Speaker 2>and just the way Red built it in the lineage

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, Sam Jones and Russell and all those

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<v Speaker 2>great great guys. Of course, having Kouzi is still alive

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<v Speaker 2>able to sort of connect all the all the threads

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<v Speaker 2>as this narrator almost it just made. It was really

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<v Speaker 2>special for me, and though I thought they were very

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<v Speaker 2>thorough professional. I mean, Montville and Ryan and myself all

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<v Speaker 2>would of view three different times and twice collectively and

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<v Speaker 2>once each individually, and there'd be like two hour sessions.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine editing that because we were small parts

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<v Speaker 2>of that. There were people that were in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more than we were, and there's important players in it

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>They went and got you know, read our bags, daughters

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<v Speaker 2>and Bill Russell's daughter and just really deep archival stuff

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I thought it was spectacular and I really

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<v Speaker 2>was going. I would set my clock by it every week,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, could they dropped them one at a time

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<v Speaker 2>and wait for the next one. So I really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, my wheelhouse, as you reference with the book,

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<v Speaker 2>there was the early eighties, mid eighties, and and I

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<v Speaker 2>was glad that the night we read that premiere, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the one that they showcased, because that Celtic Laker thing

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<v Speaker 2>in the eighties to me was still you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>just it just moved the NBA to the next level

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<v Speaker 2>to where they are now, and where they were they

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<v Speaker 2>went from small time to almost global with the Larry

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Jordan's dream team and here we are today. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that Celtic thing on HBO is a keeper for all

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<v Speaker 4>All I know is the segment with you, Ryan and

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<v Speaker 4>Montville on the porch in shorts is an ad for

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Mint Phil Rose Lord the shorts. That was

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<v Speaker 2>his mistake. But yeah, we're not We do not bronze Gary,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we do not bronze our people.

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<v Speaker 4>I think people. I was glad that people were reminded

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<v Speaker 4>that the great Celtic teams of the eighties did not repeat.

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<v Speaker 4>It's hard to do. You mentioned the sixties a different time.

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<v Speaker 4>Great teams. Take nothing away from them, but the Celtic

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<v Speaker 4>teams of Larry, which people in this area he's the god.

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<v Speaker 4>And fine, they did not repeat. And I think people

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<v Speaker 4>forget that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh they do for sure. And you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>they were in it, you know, five times, but they

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<v Speaker 2>one they were spaced out. Eighty one, eighty four, eighty six,

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<v Speaker 2>those are the three they won. And the seventies teams

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<v Speaker 2>didn't repeat either. They won seventy four and seventy six, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So really the last team to repeat is the Russell

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<v Speaker 2>team sixty eight sixty nine when he was the player coach,

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<v Speaker 2>and and of course prior to that they had the

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<v Speaker 2>eight in a row from the late fifties into sixty six.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, a different time, like you say, but no

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<v Speaker 2>less of an awesome accomplishment to do what those guys did.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean one of the things they took from it.

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<v Speaker 4>Because listen, I love Cedric Maxwell. He's a friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he's coming, He's talked to some of the

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<v Speaker 4>classes I've been teaching in the whole thing with Larry

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<v Speaker 4>and Max, and you know, look, Max won an MVP

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<v Speaker 4>in the series. I mean eighty one eighty four, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>did they win without Max? I think the guy deserves

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<v Speaker 4>a ton of credit? Was there, you know? And I

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<v Speaker 4>asked Ryan about this, you know, when Larry said something

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<v Speaker 4>about Max quitting. Did Larry realize the impact of those

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<v Speaker 2>He just that's how he felt, and then he was

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<v Speaker 2>angry and because you know, as you said, they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>repeat in this limited amount of chances. And you know

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<v Speaker 2>that eighty five team, I mean they won eighty forty

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<v Speaker 2>eighty six, so they really could have won three straight.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighty five team was a wagon, but at the end

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<v Speaker 2>people were hurt and it couldn't help him out. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Bucker the last game against the Lakers when they lost

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<v Speaker 2>at home, Bucker didn't play, Max didn't play. It was

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<v Speaker 2>they were very thin. They only used like seven guys

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<v Speaker 2>in that game, so they just got they had no

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<v Speaker 2>depth at the end, and that's why they brought in

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<v Speaker 2>ceasting of Waltz in the next year and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>got the thing going again with more depth, but didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have it in the playoffs than eighty five. But the

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five team was a wagon from start to finish,

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<v Speaker 2>and they just didn't have the depth in the playoff

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<v Speaker 2>and Max not coming back from the February small knee

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<v Speaker 2>surgery was a part of that, and he did play,

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<v Speaker 2>but he never was the same guy. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>way he teased about it didn't help and didn't sound

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<v Speaker 2>like he was taking it seriously, which it defends him

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<v Speaker 2>to think that people did take that seriously. And Larry

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't think he did enough, and of course then

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<v Speaker 2>Red didn't think and it caused hard feelings for some time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the eighty three team That's the one that bugged

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<v Speaker 4>me because they didn't like the coach and Parish even

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<v Speaker 4>talked about it. Parish was great. I mean, the Parish

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<v Speaker 4>part was phenomenal. But they quit on the coach. They

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<v Speaker 4>quit on But that was a mut.

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<v Speaker 2>I was there for that. That was a team mutiny.

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<v Speaker 2>Larry is the only guy standing by Bill at the enne.

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<v Speaker 2>Larry's always big on authority to like Bill Fitch. Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Fitch wasn't Hall of Fame great coach, but he had

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<v Speaker 2>a shelf life and they had exceeded it that year.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the first year I came to cover

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<v Speaker 2>the team, and it was obvious from the jump they

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<v Speaker 2>were done and they needed the change. And as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as they made the change, you know, four straight finals

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<v Speaker 2>and were two championships with.

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<v Speaker 4>Ye yeah, you know. But here's the thing. This is

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<v Speaker 4>where're so parochial, which is like if we saw that

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<v Speaker 4>in another city, you know, we go, wow, come on,

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<v Speaker 4>what do you mean? But I guess what I'm saying

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<v Speaker 4>is Simmons is such a great job putting this together.

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<v Speaker 4>Revisionist history tells me that these guys were perfect and

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<v Speaker 4>they're not. They're human beings. As a Celtics fan. The

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<v Speaker 4>eighty three thing bothered me, you know that that that

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<v Speaker 4>bothered me. I was like, wait a minute, you guys

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<v Speaker 4>could have had another title, but you didn't like the coach,

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<v Speaker 4>so you quit on things.

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<v Speaker 2>We're working the backcourt. You know, Tiny was Selking. He

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<v Speaker 2>was at the end, and Buckner had come in and

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<v Speaker 2>he was not as good as we thought he was.

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<v Speaker 2>And Pitch was disappointed in that the guard thing was

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<v Speaker 2>messed up. Danny wasn't starting, and Pitch wrote him really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry Henderson was about to have a great moment and

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<v Speaker 2>then get traded. Yeah, so the whole backcourt thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't have Dennis Johnson. Don't forget that. That changed.

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<v Speaker 2>They acquired Dennis Johnson in the summer after the eighty

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<v Speaker 2>four sweep and get swept out by the Bucks. So

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<v Speaker 2>they added a new coach, Casey, who basically rolled out

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<v Speaker 2>Fame guard who could it was a great clutch player

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<v Speaker 2>and also a great defender of guys like Andrew, Tony

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<v Speaker 2>Magic and et cetera. And Larry loved playing with him.

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<v Speaker 2>We all loved him. I mean, he was just he

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<v Speaker 2>those things weren't there in eighty three, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>see that coming. I mean that it was not They

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<v Speaker 2>were not championship Timber in that season. M l was

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<v Speaker 2>a leader of the mutiny. He hated Fitch so much.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Max hated him. McHale just never took him

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was club wide except for Larry Bird.

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<v Speaker 4>Final question here, Dan, what was your favorite part of

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<v Speaker 4>covering that team?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it occurred to me that I worked in

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<v Speaker 2>the book just how how secure they all were in

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<v Speaker 2>their own greatness, and guys really rooted for other guys

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<v Speaker 2>and and you know, McHale Larry weren't that close, but

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't resent each other's talent Paris same thing he

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<v Speaker 2>could have resented not getting more touches of the publicity

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<v Speaker 2>for Larry DJ. They just they were securing their own

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<v Speaker 2>greatness and rooting for each other and really had fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And just I wished I had for my part, just

429
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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed the basketball more. Because you'll never see anything like

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<v Speaker 2>it again.

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<v Speaker 4>Wish it lasted forever. If you haven't read or check

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<v Speaker 4>it out, you can get it at Amazon bookstores everywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>From Dan Shaughnessy covering the Celtics when he was there

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<v Speaker 4>from eighty two to eighty six, it was a pleasure

435
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<v Speaker 4>to see you at the premiere. It was great to

436
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<v Speaker 4>revisit the Celtics in the eighties. Sammons did a great job. Dan,

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<v Speaker 4>thanks for coming on. We appreciate it, enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Carry take care okay too.

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<v Speaker 4>Dan Chaughnessy's busting Glo. Coming up next a national champion,

440
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<v Speaker 4>the Pride of Subbury, mass Matt Dooley on what it

441
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<v Speaker 4>takes to be a collegiate athlete and what parents need

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<v Speaker 4>to know. It's all coming up next to WBZ.

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<v Speaker 1>Run with Dan Ray. I'm w BZ, Boston's news radio.

444
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<v Speaker 4>Madam puts Cornell about three and fifty seconds to go.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's one player you want to bone his stick

446
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<v Speaker 1>in this spot to close.

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<v Speaker 3>It out, to tie the record.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost two story book.

449
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<v Speaker 4>In honesty, a half century in the making. But the

450
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<v Speaker 4>journey is complete.

451
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<v Speaker 1>Cornell.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll bring a championship home to the the You have it,

453
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<v Speaker 4>the big red Man. They win the title down at

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<v Speaker 4>Jillette Stadium. Division one champions youhoing at me right now

455
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<v Speaker 4>is the pride of Sudbury, Massachusetts. Also a defenseman, starting

456
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<v Speaker 4>defenseman for Cornell and Matt Dewley. Matt, thanks for coming

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<v Speaker 4>on night side.

458
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<v Speaker 3>Of course, thanks so much for having me. Gary.

459
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's great to have you and listen. Full disclosure.

460
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<v Speaker 4>Friends with the family. We like this, kiddies. It was

461
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<v Speaker 4>a mentor of my son who played lacrosse at LSU,

462
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<v Speaker 4>Bob an A mcdools. They have a lot to be

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<v Speaker 4>proud of. But what I want to talk to you about.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, what was that like to win that

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<v Speaker 4>championship down at Gillette.

466
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<v Speaker 3>It was a surreal experience. I mean, I've had this

467
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<v Speaker 3>date circled on my calendar ever since I did a

468
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<v Speaker 3>postgraduate year at the Salisbury School. As soon as I

469
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<v Speaker 3>found out that, you know, one of the final fourth

470
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<v Speaker 3>in championship was going to be at Chalette Stadium, you know,

471
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<v Speaker 3>that was that was the dream. And to finally make

472
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<v Speaker 3>it there this year and then beat Penn State and

473
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<v Speaker 3>make it to the championship and then win it all,

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<v Speaker 3>it was it was just a dream come true. I

475
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<v Speaker 3>had so many family members there from local town supporting me,

476
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<v Speaker 3>so it was just such a cool moment.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, I want to thank Danny Kraft. He makes it

478
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<v Speaker 4>all happen down there. Danny's a big supporter Toughs lacrosse.

479
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<v Speaker 4>His son scored a goal for Toughs and and it

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<v Speaker 4>Crafts through a great job with this tournament down at

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<v Speaker 4>Gillett and my daughter, which loves lacrosse, we saw North

482
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<v Speaker 4>Carolina play, so it's a great event. Now are you

483
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<v Speaker 4>surprised at the growth of the sport over the last

484
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<v Speaker 4>ten or fifteen years because it was always big in Sudbury,

485
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<v Speaker 4>But since you've left Sudbury, you've got other towns. You've

486
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<v Speaker 4>got Redding, You've got chelmsforad, You've got Franklin, You've got

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<v Speaker 4>public schools act in Boxbury. As much as it pains

488
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<v Speaker 4>me to say being from Sudbury, you got to be.

489
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<v Speaker 4>I mean, these are all legit programs right now. Are

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<v Speaker 4>you surprised at the increase of popularity of the sport?

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<v Speaker 3>One hundred percent? I mean when I was growing up

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<v Speaker 3>in Sudbury watching Lincoln Sudbury High School lacrosse, it was

493
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<v Speaker 3>really just kind of Duxbury LS and Hingham. We're kind

494
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<v Speaker 3>of the three powerhouses in high school lacrosse, and that

495
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<v Speaker 3>you know, has grown so much. You have BC High now,

496
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<v Speaker 3>sjp ACT in Boxborough. All these towns are growing their

497
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<v Speaker 3>youth programs, growing their high school teams. So it's really

498
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<v Speaker 3>really cool to see. And this weekend, Jillette, I think

499
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<v Speaker 3>head around thirty two thousand fans, which was the highest

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<v Speaker 3>number of fans since since twenty eleven, So it was

501
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<v Speaker 3>really really cool to see. And I think as more

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<v Speaker 3>people have access to, you know, watching the game and

503
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<v Speaker 3>equipment and gear, it's it's just gonna keep growing because

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<v Speaker 3>it really is such an awesome sport and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think many many people have been exposed to it, and

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<v Speaker 3>as they do, they'll just they'll just fall in love

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<v Speaker 3>with it. So it's really cool to see.

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<v Speaker 4>Why do you love it? And what lesson has it

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<v Speaker 4>taught you in life.

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<v Speaker 3>It's something that I've kind of taken with me since

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<v Speaker 3>high school. But uh, effort equals respect is something that

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<v Speaker 3>has kind of stuck with me throughout my you know,

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<v Speaker 3>high school career, especially in my postgraduate year. A lot

514
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<v Speaker 3>of those guys who are there have been three four

515
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<v Speaker 3>year guys, So to come in as a postgrad can

516
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<v Speaker 3>be a little nerve wracking. But I just knew going

517
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<v Speaker 3>into there, if I worked my hardest, I would earn

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<v Speaker 3>the respect of my teammates and the coaches, and the

519
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<v Speaker 3>same thing. The same thing at Cornell, because the truth is,

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<v Speaker 3>everyone that's recruited Cornell is the best kid on their

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<v Speaker 3>team in high school. So when you have twelve recruits

522
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<v Speaker 3>who are the best of their own towns, you kind

523
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<v Speaker 3>of need to need to separate yourself. And it's just,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, my effort and hard work I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>has always driven me into the right moment. So and

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<v Speaker 3>just gaining the trust of my teammates through that effort

527
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<v Speaker 3>is something you know, that will stick with me going

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<v Speaker 3>into my senior year, continuing to earn that respect to

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<v Speaker 3>my teammates through my hard work and effort, and then

530
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<v Speaker 3>even going into the workplace. We put a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>emphasis at Cornell on doing the little things, and I

532
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<v Speaker 3>think that you know is important, uh in athletics and beyond,

533
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<v Speaker 3>you know, showing up to the office five days a week,

534
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<v Speaker 3>you know, getting it in early, that little thing. You know,

535
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<v Speaker 3>it might not make a difference, but it shows that

536
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<v Speaker 3>you care and it shows that you're putting in effort.

537
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<v Speaker 3>So I think that's something I'll kind of always take.

538
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<v Speaker 4>With mesover baseball.

539
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<v Speaker 3>Uh So I started with baseball. I think kindergarten to

540
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<v Speaker 3>maybe second grade, I played baseball, and and Brian that well,

541
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<v Speaker 3>I was too I was too focused on climbing the

542
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<v Speaker 3>batting cages. So my mom was like, we we can't

543
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<v Speaker 3>do this. We need to we need to get you

544
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<v Speaker 3>running around. So I picked up a lacrosstic in second grade.

545
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<v Speaker 3>Actually wasn't a huge fan of it, put it down

546
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<v Speaker 3>for a year, and then got back into it fourth

547
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<v Speaker 3>grade and just kind of ran away with it from there.

548
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<v Speaker 4>But you know, when I grew up and Brian Varns

549
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<v Speaker 4>had the legendary head coach of LS lacrosse who's done

550
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<v Speaker 4>a great job there. When I went to the University

551
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<v Speaker 4>of Maine, my buddy Bill Herbster, now he was from

552
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<v Speaker 4>Jersey and he was lived in the room across the hall,

553
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<v Speaker 4>and he had a lacrosse stick, and I went, you

554
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<v Speaker 4>know what the hell is that? Yeah, because I had

555
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<v Speaker 4>never seen nobody played lacrosse in main I mean, it

556
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:33.519
<v Speaker 4>was a rich kids sport. Quite frankly, I mean it

557
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.039
<v Speaker 4>was obviously in a history with the Native Americans, or

558
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:39.720
<v Speaker 4>it was a private school sport, so I wasn't familiar

559
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<v Speaker 4>with it at all, but I could speak like from

560
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<v Speaker 4>my son who plays. Kids love the helmet, Kids love

561
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<v Speaker 4>the physicality of it. Kids love the fact that you

562
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<v Speaker 4>don't have to wait to get a fly ball in

563
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<v Speaker 4>right field or center field or left field. You know,

564
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<v Speaker 4>you know twice in a game. It just moves and

565
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.359
<v Speaker 4>it's just perpetual in motion and that's why people are

566
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<v Speaker 4>playing instead.

567
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<v Speaker 3>Of Yeah, an emphasis of kind of the Final four

568
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<v Speaker 3>weekend was you know, showing people that's the fastest, uh

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<v Speaker 3>fastest sport on two feet, which is I think is

570
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<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent true. You know, you're you're always moving,

571
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<v Speaker 3>You're not waiting for something to happen. And you know,

572
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<v Speaker 3>to your point about you know, the physicality, I grew

573
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<v Speaker 3>up playing uh football, basketball, and lacrosse, and you know,

574
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<v Speaker 3>I think the physicality from playing football helps me in lacrosse.

575
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<v Speaker 3>And then as a defenseman, playing defense on a basketball

576
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<v Speaker 3>court is very very similar to h on a lacrosse field.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it's a great sport. You know, you

578
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<v Speaker 3>did you learn a lot from the other sports you

579
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<v Speaker 3>play and it helps you in lacrosse. So that's why

580
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<v Speaker 3>I love it, I'd say yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And also I think that the you know, basketball people

582
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<v Speaker 4>who don't follow the cross don't haven't been followed lacrosse,

583
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<v Speaker 4>haven't been exposed to this, but the basketball game translates

584
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<v Speaker 4>very well to it because some people think, yes, you know,

585
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<v Speaker 4>oh it's you know what what would what what? Like hockey?

586
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<v Speaker 4>The initial response as well, if you understand hockey, you

587
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<v Speaker 4>understand lacrosse. No, if you understand basketball, you understand lacrosse.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, even from like an offensive perspective, sure, the amount

589
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<v Speaker 3>of the amount of cutting, and you know, picks, picks

590
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<v Speaker 3>have become a huge part of the game of lacrosse lately,

591
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<v Speaker 3>you know, setting picks, cutting, moving the ball moves faster

592
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.480
<v Speaker 3>than you move, which is the same in basketball. So

593
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<v Speaker 3>there's so many similarities. And then on the defense, and

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<v Speaker 3>then you know, you can play his zone in lacrosse,

595
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:51.759
<v Speaker 3>you can play his zone in basketball. The footwork aspect

596
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<v Speaker 3>of both those sports is incredibly similar. So there's a

597
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<v Speaker 3>ton of similarities between the sports, which which really helps me.

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<v Speaker 4>Matt, can you hang on, we have to take a break.

599
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 4>I have some more questions regarding what parents should do

600
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<v Speaker 4>if they have a young loxer. Yeah, okay. Matt Dooley

601
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<v Speaker 4>National championship, Proud of Sidbury, Mass. Uh, part of the

602
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<v Speaker 4>Cornell men's lacross team, starting defenseman, joining me. If you

603
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<v Speaker 4>have a kid that's gonna play lacrosse, you're buying the equipment.

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<v Speaker 4>Please stick around, We're gonna I've been through it as

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<v Speaker 4>a parent, Matt's been through it as a player. Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you guys need to hear this next on WBZ.

607
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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.

608
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<v Speaker 4>Back here in Nightside, Gary Tang going in for Danny tonight,

609
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<v Speaker 4>Cornell Men's lacrosse champions defenseman, Proud of Sebury, Mass. Matt

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<v Speaker 4>Dooley joining us here. I was a great time down

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<v Speaker 4>at Jillette Stadium Again, Danny Kraft, oh Craft family. They

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<v Speaker 4>did a great job in hosting this event, and Matt

613
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<v Speaker 4>in front of his parents, were family at hometown crowd,

614
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<v Speaker 4>won a national championship. So that obviously was a great feeling.

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<v Speaker 4>So now let's get to parents, Let's get through the

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<v Speaker 4>real jerks. Okay of this whole thing. Now, speaking for myself,

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<v Speaker 4>I never took the time to truly understand lacrosse because

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't want to get upset. When I would watch

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<v Speaker 4>basketball games, I would get upset because lord knows, I've

620
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<v Speaker 4>covered enough of it. But I said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just going to step back. And my son, who

622
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<v Speaker 4>is a teammate of mask, I would try to talk

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<v Speaker 4>to Lacrosse about him and he goes, just shut up, man,

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<v Speaker 4>you just don't. You don't know what you're talking about.

625
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<v Speaker 4>So I have a young lax player second grade. What

626
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<v Speaker 4>do I do as a parent?

627
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<v Speaker 3>I think the first thing you can do, if your

628
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<v Speaker 3>town offers it, is get him involved in the youth program.

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<v Speaker 3>Here at in Sudbury, at Lincoln Sudbury, we're very fortunate

630
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<v Speaker 3>to have an awesome youth program and awesome you know,

631
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<v Speaker 3>high school program, and the high school program takes the

632
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:57.480
<v Speaker 3>time to or dedicates time to, you know, help grow

633
00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:59.519
<v Speaker 3>the game with the youth program and make them feel

634
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<v Speaker 3>part of it. So I think, if your first looking

635
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<v Speaker 3>to get into the sport, you know, don't be afraid

636
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<v Speaker 3>as well, just get right in with the youth program.

637
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<v Speaker 3>When I started in second grade, you know, I didn't

638
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<v Speaker 3>have the fanciest gear, the flashiest stick. You know, I

639
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:20.319
<v Speaker 3>think my mom took me over to the local brines

640
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<v Speaker 3>and we kind of got like a starter pack, and

641
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<v Speaker 3>I honestly got made fun of a little bit. But

642
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<v Speaker 3>you know, I just want people to be easy. I

643
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.079
<v Speaker 3>think nowadays to get caught up in all the expensive gear,

644
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.759
<v Speaker 3>the flashy helmets, all that, but just taking the first

645
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:42.640
<v Speaker 3>step of getting your little kid in pads and you know,

646
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:46.039
<v Speaker 3>have them start throwing with kids in the youth program

647
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.359
<v Speaker 3>and just being a part of that. That's I think

648
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<v Speaker 3>the best way to to get involved.

649
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<v Speaker 4>Also talk about the importance of being ambidextrious. It's true.

650
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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you know, it took me a while, so

651
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:07.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm a natural righty. But you know, once you kind

652
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<v Speaker 3>of get into seventh eighth grade, you you really have

653
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 3>to start working on that off and less. I would

654
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<v Speaker 3>say it's less important as a defenseman but all, but

655
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<v Speaker 3>especially as an offensive player attack or midy, it's incredibly

656
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<v Speaker 3>crucial and really helps you stand out against the competition.

657
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:33.280
<v Speaker 3>I would say, especially during recruiting as you get into

658
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:36.239
<v Speaker 3>high school, coaches will look for that, Hey, is this kid,

659
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:39.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, just dodging all with his right, shooting all

660
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.119
<v Speaker 3>with his right, or is the ambidextrous, because that can

661
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 3>that can really help you stand out. And from a

662
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.159
<v Speaker 3>defenseman's perspective, that's really hard to guard because you're not

663
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.119
<v Speaker 3>really sure where to force them because they can score

664
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<v Speaker 3>and make plays with both. And so I think that's

665
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<v Speaker 3>something that youth players and players entering high school should

666
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<v Speaker 3>fo focus on. Is you know, getting really fluent with

667
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.199
<v Speaker 3>both your hands, passing, shooting, picking up ground balls.

668
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.079
<v Speaker 4>What did your parents do right? What did they do wrong?

669
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<v Speaker 4>What I would say, when do you push a kid?

670
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<v Speaker 4>I guess that's what I say, because one of the

671
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:18.760
<v Speaker 4>things I struggled with is a parent with Van is like, yeah,

672
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.639
<v Speaker 4>when do I push him? And when do I just

673
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:23.519
<v Speaker 4>let the coaches do the job or do I just

674
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<v Speaker 4>let the coaches do the job? You know, because you

675
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:27.480
<v Speaker 4>try to drop your kid off. You know you're going

676
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.360
<v Speaker 4>to I say, listen, I'm gonna drop my kid off.

677
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:30.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to pick my kid up, and that's all

678
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:33.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to do. But it just never works. You

679
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:35.679
<v Speaker 4>try to push them, You try to say some things,

680
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:37.679
<v Speaker 4>what's the balance?

681
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<v Speaker 3>I would say what my parents did best? They were

682
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.960
<v Speaker 3>extremely supportive no matter what I did, and was very

683
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.599
<v Speaker 3>receptive to kind of what I told them and how

684
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:54.639
<v Speaker 3>I felt. So after second grade, when I told them,

685
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:57.000
<v Speaker 3>you know that I didn't want to play lacrosse anymore,

686
00:35:57.559 --> 00:35:59.519
<v Speaker 3>they didn't push me. They were like, Okay, you know,

687
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.440
<v Speaker 3>you're only in second grade. I took a year off,

688
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.320
<v Speaker 3>got back into it fourth grade, and absolutely loved it.

689
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 3>And then, you know, as I got older through middle school,

690
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.239
<v Speaker 3>a huge focus in our family was playing different sports

691
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.199
<v Speaker 3>and playing one sport season. So in the fall, I

692
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:22.000
<v Speaker 3>was purely focused on on football. In the in the winter,

693
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 3>I was purely focused on basketball. And I think for me,

694
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<v Speaker 3>once I got to the spring, I was so excited

695
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:32.440
<v Speaker 3>to pick up my lacrosse stick. And I wasn't, you know,

696
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:35.960
<v Speaker 3>burned out from playing lacrosse year round. I was just

697
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.559
<v Speaker 3>so excited to pick up my lacrosse stick and start

698
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 3>that season and purely focused on that season, which I

699
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:48.079
<v Speaker 3>did all the way up until my sophomore year. And

700
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<v Speaker 3>then I wanted to make the basketball team, varsity basketball team,

701
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.320
<v Speaker 3>so I decided to drop football, but obviously stuck with

702
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.840
<v Speaker 3>basketball lacrosse, and you know, we would have our spring season,

703
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:02.360
<v Speaker 3>our our summer tour ornaments, but then I would take

704
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.920
<v Speaker 3>a little break. You know, it wasn't like a year

705
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 3>round thing that I did, which I think allowed me

706
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:11.599
<v Speaker 3>to kind of never burn out and always you know,

707
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.960
<v Speaker 3>once across season came around, absolutely love it and be

708
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<v Speaker 3>so excited for it.

709
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<v Speaker 4>Well, studies do show your kids should play multiple sports.

710
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:22.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean, we get into it. I mean we get

711
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.679
<v Speaker 4>parents are nuts. I mean it's just insane.

712
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:25.440
<v Speaker 2>You know.

713
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<v Speaker 4>And I my, you know, I remember, like I'll name

714
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:33.280
<v Speaker 4>drop the great Dave Cowens. I would talk to Dave

715
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:36.519
<v Speaker 4>and he'd run the summer camps, and Dave said he'd

716
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.159
<v Speaker 4>always get get the get these phone calls from parents.

717
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:43.639
<v Speaker 4>You know, mister Collens, my kid's really good, Like, I mean,

718
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.679
<v Speaker 4>he's really good, David like laugh, Okay, I'm sure he is.

719
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:49.920
<v Speaker 4>You know, you know the kid. The kid shows up,

720
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, and he's you know, maybe the know thirteen

721
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.079
<v Speaker 4>or fourteen, and he's going to be five ten at

722
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:56.320
<v Speaker 4>the most. And he's like, well, he better be muggy

723
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:59.519
<v Speaker 4>bogues if he's gonna you know. So, you know, our parents,

724
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:05.440
<v Speaker 4>especially this generation of parenthood, they lived, we lived through

725
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:09.000
<v Speaker 4>our kids so much it's just insane. Now your parents,

726
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:11.599
<v Speaker 4>you know, we haven't seen that with them, but you know,

727
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:14.079
<v Speaker 4>you see it with other people. And and that's really

728
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:16.199
<v Speaker 4>the problem is they look at their kids as a

729
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.320
<v Speaker 4>representation of their success. Like if my kid is not

730
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:21.920
<v Speaker 4>a College of lacrosse player, I failed, which is crazy.

731
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.320
<v Speaker 4>Your kid is your kid and and and they're separate

732
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.079
<v Speaker 4>from you. What advice would you have for a collegiate

733
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<v Speaker 4>athlete as far as balancing your life.

734
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:43.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it can be a lot at times, especially especially

735
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.119
<v Speaker 3>like as a freshman arriving in the fall, it's your

736
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:51.360
<v Speaker 3>first time being away from the house. You're you know,

737
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:56.119
<v Speaker 3>you're adapting to the team, school all that. One piece

738
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:59.199
<v Speaker 3>of advice that kind of helped me balance everything, and

739
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:02.400
<v Speaker 3>I actually of credit to my mom for this is

740
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, kind of looking at the day as like

741
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:09.320
<v Speaker 3>if it's a work day, So if I, you know,

742
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:12.320
<v Speaker 3>get up at nine o'clock, I'm gonna, you know, if

743
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.159
<v Speaker 3>I have time throughout the day to get my homework

744
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.639
<v Speaker 3>done or do some extra work, whether that be like

745
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:22.239
<v Speaker 3>lacrossewise or academic. As soon as it you know, hits,

746
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:24.920
<v Speaker 3>let's say four o'clock and then we have a team

747
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:30.079
<v Speaker 3>lift until seven, I'm kinda you know, obviously there's some

748
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:32.920
<v Speaker 3>alliers when you gotta test the next day you gotta

749
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.760
<v Speaker 3>study late at night, but for the most part, I

750
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:38.880
<v Speaker 3>would try and get all of my academic work between

751
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:42.199
<v Speaker 3>kind of nine and four o'clock or nine and seven o'clock,

752
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.880
<v Speaker 3>which really allowed me to kind of take a deep

753
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:50.079
<v Speaker 3>breath at night, relax, be with my friends, and not

754
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.400
<v Speaker 3>get overwhelmed. So that was kind of a really really

755
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.840
<v Speaker 3>nice way to look at things. Is kind of looking

756
00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:58.440
<v Speaker 3>at it like a work day, like I'm going to

757
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.599
<v Speaker 3>work nine to four, all my academic stuff done, go

758
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:05.920
<v Speaker 3>to class, then we have team activities and then enjoy

759
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.760
<v Speaker 3>the night, get a good meal, and get some rest.

760
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:11.880
<v Speaker 3>So I think that was kind of the biggest piece

761
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<v Speaker 3>that helped me maintain my balance these last three years.

762
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<v Speaker 4>Matt, great job, thanks for coming on. Van Tangwi did

763
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:20.559
<v Speaker 4>say to me, I said, I'm having you know, Matt

764
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:22.599
<v Speaker 4>Dooley on lacrosse player, and he like looked at like

765
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:24.519
<v Speaker 4>gave me a look like, well, why not me? I

766
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:26.920
<v Speaker 4>should go win a national championship then we can talk.

767
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Matt.

768
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<v Speaker 4>Congratulations and I know mom and Dad, Bob and Amy

769
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:36.199
<v Speaker 4>Dudles are proud and way to go, and thanks for

770
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:37.639
<v Speaker 4>coming on. I think you had a lot of great

771
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.599
<v Speaker 4>things to say and hopefully parents were listening.

772
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:42.760
<v Speaker 3>Awesome, Thank you so much. Gary. I'm sure I'll see

773
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:44.079
<v Speaker 3>you around town, for sure.

774
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.199
<v Speaker 4>See you around town. Take care all right. Matt Duley

775
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:50.119
<v Speaker 4>national champion with Cornell University as they won the Division

776
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:53.559
<v Speaker 4>One championship down in Foxborough. And I could tell you

777
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:58.280
<v Speaker 4>as a parent, my youngest is a lacrosse player, and

778
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.440
<v Speaker 4>then I went through with my son who's playing college

779
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.599
<v Speaker 4>lacrosse now as well. The best advice I could give

780
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:06.400
<v Speaker 4>you is keep your mouth shut and let the coaches

781
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.960
<v Speaker 4>do the work. It's hard to do though. It's hard,

782
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 4>like you know, why don't you shoot it there? Or

783
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 4>why don't you do that? And it's hard, but you

784
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.440
<v Speaker 4>really can't. You gotta. You gotta let the coaches do

785
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:19.480
<v Speaker 4>the work. And if your kid loves it, they love it.

786
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:24.360
<v Speaker 4>You can't make your kid love something. You can't. It's

787
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:27.880
<v Speaker 4>just it's you can't love it for them. And I

788
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.639
<v Speaker 4>know this is common sense, but when it's when it's

789
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:34.199
<v Speaker 4>your own kid, it's just different. When it's your own kid,

790
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.920
<v Speaker 4>common sense goes out the window. I've seen it happen

791
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.639
<v Speaker 4>a million times. I've seen it happen with professional coaches.

792
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.000
<v Speaker 4>Professional coaches, they start talking about their kid like they're

793
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:47.079
<v Speaker 4>gonna make the NBA happens to all of us. Uh.

794
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<v Speaker 4>Coming up next, Todd Fernard joins us from Fernard Properties.

795
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<v Speaker 4>Is it better to work from home or get your

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<v Speaker 4>ass in the office. That's next on WBZ.