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Speaker 2: Today, I saw this duphole that Senator Mike Lee posted,
Speaker 2: and it's it's somewhat interesting because when you look at
Speaker 2: numbers of which voting demographics tend to go liberal tend
Speaker 2: to go conservative, it usually matches up that people who've
Speaker 2: gone to college and have college degrees tend to vote
Speaker 2: democrat or a liberal. It is a problem I would
Speaker 2: say that we've had for a long time now. Plenty
Speaker 2: of people don't fit that demographic. I have a college degree,
Speaker 2: and I'm young, and I'm a woman, a woman, and
Speaker 2: I'm not a Democrat.
Speaker 3: So certainly there's people who don't fit in that box.
Speaker 2: But this poll was really interesting because it was showing
Speaker 2: let's see, it only polls. Well, and maybe this is
Speaker 2: just the only part that Mike Lee posted, but it
Speaker 2: was only showing white men, white women with a college
Speaker 2: degree and without a college degree, okay, And it was
Speaker 2: showing the difference in their opinions of Donald Trump, J. Dvance,
Speaker 2: Elon Musk Doge, the Republican Party, Zelenski Dei, and the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party. Kind of this very interesting section of things
Speaker 2: it was asking voters their opinion on. But here is
Speaker 2: the thing that I particularly thought was interesting. When you
Speaker 2: look at white men with a college degree, they do
Speaker 2: not like the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. But
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party has fallen quite a lot with this demographic.
Speaker 2: So the Republican Party is minus eleven, so basically like
Speaker 2: underwater by eleven points in white men with college degrees opinions,
Speaker 2: but the Democratic Party underwater by thirty eight points minus
Speaker 2: thirty eight. This is fairly incredible when you look at
Speaker 2: election polls that usually show white men with college degrees
Speaker 2: often will vote more on the Democrat side, but not
Speaker 2: at all in this specific opinion poll. Now, women with
Speaker 2: college degrees very very different story. Democrat Party still underwater
Speaker 2: though by four points. That Republican Party underwater by thirty
Speaker 2: five points. With that demographic, which certainly matches up with
Speaker 2: what normally happens. White women with college degrees tend to
Speaker 2: not like the Republican Party at all. But what is
Speaker 2: also fairly interesting to me is that going back to
Speaker 2: white men with college degrees, they were plus one on
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, even though they were minus eleven with the
Speaker 2: Republican Party. So they particularly apparently maybe changing their opinion
Speaker 2: of Republicans conservatives through the lens of Donald Trump. That's
Speaker 2: very interesting, showing the trajectory perhaps of what may or
Speaker 2: may not happen over the coming years. I have talked
Speaker 2: before about how I think the Republican Party is going
Speaker 2: to need to figure out what to do when Donald
Speaker 2: Trump is no longer the head of the party, no
Speaker 2: longer the president, and we are of course talking years
Speaker 2: down the road, but he's been such a pivotal figurehead
Speaker 2: in the party. Is some demographics moving towards the party
Speaker 2: because of him, some demographics moving away from the party
Speaker 2: because of him, but more moving towards the party than
Speaker 2: against it.
Speaker 3: But still the.
Speaker 2: Party's going to have to figure out exactly what to
Speaker 2: do because despite a lot of politicians' opinion that they
Speaker 2: can be the next Donald Trump, no one really is
Speaker 2: going to be able to fit that bill.
Speaker 3: He is a unique individual.
Speaker 2: But anyway, poll again cited by Senator Mike Lee on
Speaker 2: Twitter today just showing the difference of opinion among different
Speaker 2: groups of people on this broad swath of issues. Elon
Speaker 2: Musk also kind of funny getting a plus thirty three
Speaker 2: from white men with no degree and then a minus
Speaker 2: forty on the opposite end from white women with a
Speaker 2: college degree. So it's a giant, giant difference. You also
Speaker 2: see the Republican Party itself being a plus twenty five
Speaker 2: with white men who have no college degree and a
Speaker 2: min thirty five with white women with a college degree.
Speaker 3: So those, of course, are.
Speaker 2: The two groups with the most difference, is white men
Speaker 2: with no college degree and white women with a college degree,
Speaker 2: So that difference has not changed in a long time.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it, though, points to what's.
Speaker 3: Going on in our institutions of higher education.
Speaker 2: If you look at all races who have college degrees
Speaker 2: versus all races who dumped, you see a giant difference
Speaker 2: push toward the liberal side from practically every group that
Speaker 2: had a college degree. Like, what does that tell you
Speaker 2: about what colleges are most likely teaching and pushing people towards.
Speaker 2: I really don't think that is a surprise, and everyone
Speaker 2: knows that. What I find to be interesting is the
Speaker 2: potential movement among white men with college degrees more against
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. Now, we see that the Democratic Party,
Speaker 2: according to a lot of analysts, experts, even their own politicians,
Speaker 2: saying that they really have no idea what to do
Speaker 2: right now with Trump and what he's doing. You see
Speaker 2: them trying out a whole lot of types of messaging
Speaker 2: to see what might stick.
Speaker 3: But last time I was hosting the show.
Speaker 2: Probably about a week and a half ago, I was
Speaker 2: talking about how not only do they have a messaging
Speaker 2: problem right now, they really don't know how to combat Trump.
Speaker 2: We saw that illustrated in the Joint Congressional Address when
Speaker 2: they objected to absolutely everything that Donald Trump talked about,
Speaker 2: even those eighty twenty issues that the majority of people
Speaker 2: want to support, like kicking violent criminals who are illegally
Speaker 2: in our country out of our country, for example. But
Speaker 2: I think you also see the Democrats having a policy problem.
Speaker 2: They don't know what to contrast Trump's policies with. Because
Speaker 2: usually if you're going to say, oh, you know, terrible policy,
Speaker 2: we don't want to do this in the US, you
Speaker 2: need to have a contrasting policy that gives a different option,
Speaker 2: a different opinion. More hope to people, and they just
Speaker 2: haven't haven't settled on it yet, and I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2: I think probably a lot of our listeners are okay
Speaker 2: with that. But we'll see if they ever find a
Speaker 2: way to get it together. Not yet is the answer,
Speaker 2: and their numbers are therefore dropping among demographic groups where
Speaker 2: they typically enjoy a lot of support, and again even
Speaker 2: white women with college degrees, that Democrat Party was underwater
Speaker 2: by four points, which is unusual for them, usually very
Speaker 2: very popular among that demographic.
Speaker 3: If you have thoughts on why.
Speaker 2: This is going on or anything else, you can call
Speaker 2: in eight five five four zero five eight two five five.
Speaker 2: I'm Christy Burton Brown in for Dan Kaplis today a
Speaker 2: number of topics to cover. We're going to have several
Speaker 2: interviews from some pretty interesting people. All three of them
Speaker 2: are elected officials here in Colorado, but on very different levels.
Speaker 2: The first one I'm going to bring on about ten
Speaker 2: minutes from now, actually is going to be Nancy Rumfeldt.
Speaker 2: She is a member of the school board up in
Speaker 2: Larimer County.
Speaker 3: She'll let us know what's going on there.
Speaker 2: She's actually gotten a lot of media attention for wearing
Speaker 2: a shirt that says real women rock. You might think this,
Speaker 2: what could be the problem with that state? Well, think
Speaker 2: about what the LGBTQ lobby might think of a statement
Speaker 2: like that when they are focused on transgender boys playing
Speaker 2: in girls sports. She can fill you in on exactly
Speaker 2: what's going on, but the other members of her school
Speaker 2: board are trying to punish her from for exercising her
Speaker 2: freedom of speech to give her opinion on women and
Speaker 2: what a real woman is. So we'll bring her onto
Speaker 2: the show. She can update us about what's going on.
Speaker 2: And I think here's the important point in why I
Speaker 2: wanted to actually bring her on the show. She's going
Speaker 2: to talk about what parents need to look for in
Speaker 2: their school districts across the state. This is not an
Speaker 2: insular issue that's just going on in her district. There's
Speaker 2: some information that might surprise parents and notify them about
Speaker 2: what they need to watch for, where they can speak out,
Speaker 2: and what they can change in their own districts. Because
Speaker 2: Colorado is actually in a pretty bad spot right now
Speaker 2: with CHASSA, the sports organization in the state, telling the
Speaker 2: school districts that they need to allow transgender athletes to
Speaker 2: compete in the sport of their choice, and yet that
Speaker 2: is absolutely contrary to the Title nine direction coming from
Speaker 2: the federal government saying that school districts in fact don't
Speaker 2: have to do that and can allow just biological girls
Speaker 2: and girls sports and biological boys in boy sports. So
Speaker 2: Nancy will fill us in on some more details with
Speaker 2: that later on. We're also going to have this will
Speaker 2: actually be in the next hour. Representative Jarvis Caldwell, who's
Speaker 2: been sponsoring a lot of the law enforcement criminal justice bills,
Speaker 2: the ones that actually crack down on crime and help victims,
Speaker 2: and they've been killed by the legislature up to now.
Speaker 2: What I really want him to talk about is a
Speaker 2: bill that was heard last night until one point thirty
Speaker 2: in the House Judiciary Committee. This is a bill sponsored
Speaker 2: by Democrats, and by the way, they laid it over
Speaker 2: so there hasn't actually been a vote on it yet.
Speaker 3: They're going to vote on it later.
Speaker 2: But they would actually eliminate the one of the crimes
Speaker 2: classified under attempted first degree murder, reclassify it, and let
Speaker 2: people off in one to four years for attempting murder.
Speaker 2: I know one of the people who testify last night
Speaker 2: or maybe in the early morning ours was a survivor
Speaker 2: of the Club Q shooting, who obviously had attempted first
Speaker 2: degree murder committed against him, and yet the Democrats in
Speaker 2: this committee we're seeking to lessen that crime. So those
Speaker 2: are some things you have to look forward to on
Speaker 2: the show today. I'm going to take a break. You
Speaker 2: can call in over the break eight five five four
Speaker 2: zero five eight two five five.
Speaker 3: I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4: And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2: It's or things you should watch out and make sure
Speaker 2: you speak up about. In that context, I'm going to
Speaker 2: bring in Nancy Rumfeldt to the Dan Kapola Show. She
Speaker 2: is on a school board up north. I'm gonna let
Speaker 2: her tell you about it. And like I said before
Speaker 2: the break, she has gotten in trouble with the other
Speaker 2: people on the board for wearing a shirt that I
Speaker 2: think we would all agree with. It says real Women Rock.
Speaker 3: Nancy. Welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 5: Thank you Christy for having me on. I'm still I'm
Speaker 5: still trying to understand all of the uproar and the
Speaker 5: emails that have been flooding in since I wore a
Speaker 5: shirt at the February meeting up here in the Thompson
Speaker 5: School District, which is like the Loveland birthed area.
Speaker 3: Yes, and it just it.
Speaker 5: Really seems to center around from everything I can gather
Speaker 5: that the transgender community, the parents, family, they want, they
Speaker 5: expect to be viewed and seen as real women. And
Speaker 5: I'm not certain how to get around that, because the
Speaker 5: reality is you're you're either born with with one part
Speaker 5: or the other part, and no matter what you do
Speaker 5: to change that, you're still you're still always for ever
Speaker 5: going to be a transman or a trans woman.
Speaker 2: Well, and no, to your point, like biology doesn't lie
Speaker 2: like these a lot of these people who are on
Speaker 2: the liberal side, who are against you for years and
Speaker 2: decades have said, oh, listen to science, listen to science.
Speaker 2: Science is king, and then when science doesn't prove them right,
Speaker 2: they somehow want people to ignore it.
Speaker 5: Exactly. Plus many of them have been sending me science
Speaker 5: lessons on how many different possible chromosome combinations there are,
Speaker 5: and I just keep telling you know, that's not relevant
Speaker 5: to this discussion. This discussion is about fairness for biological
Speaker 5: girls and transgender girls who play sports. And I've also
Speaker 5: been told that it's an outdated notion that men are
Speaker 5: stronger than women.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, that's so ridiculous, as a lot of
Speaker 2: people who listen to the show. No, I'm a constitutional lawyer,
Speaker 2: and I filed brief on behalf of a bunch of
Speaker 2: female athletes, over one hundred female athletes anywhere from junior
Speaker 2: high girls who play sports to Olympic gold medalists who
Speaker 2: signed on to this brief. And one of the main
Speaker 2: arguments this brief makes is when biological men or boys
Speaker 2: are allowed to play in biological women or.
Speaker 3: Girls' sports, it harms them. And one of the ways is.
Speaker 2: Physical, because all of these characteristics that are built into
Speaker 2: us from creation based on our biological gender do lead
Speaker 2: to boys and men being stronger. It's really indisputable. Despite
Speaker 2: what people apparently are sending to you over email, Nancy,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: I have I will give them credit for the creative
Speaker 5: ways they have described my intelligence, my looks I'm a.
Speaker 3: Biggot sounds a good valid argumentation.
Speaker 5: Creative.
Speaker 2: I mean that's where you go when you don't have
Speaker 2: a real argument, that is.
Speaker 5: Where you go. And it's also they keep bringing up
Speaker 5: all of these exceptions and the one thing that's true.
Speaker 5: Whenever you have lots of exceptions to the rule, there is.
Speaker 3: No rule exactly.
Speaker 5: So it's almost they want anything and everything to be.
Speaker 3: Accepted.
Speaker 5: And here in Colorado this.
Speaker 4: Isn't just a.
Speaker 5: Thompson School District issue, because we have all of these laws,
Speaker 5: state laws that require that you know, transgenders have all
Speaker 5: of a lot of the same discrimination laws apply to
Speaker 5: them as it does for you know, sexual orientation. Now
Speaker 5: we have gender identity, all of these things, and so
Speaker 5: it's in conflict with Title nine right at the federal level.
Speaker 5: So like it or not, every school district needs to
Speaker 5: be discussing and deciding and parents need to be aware
Speaker 5: that either a school district complies with Title nine and
Speaker 5: doesn't allow biological boys males to be to participate in
Speaker 5: girls' sports so they can keep their federal funding and
Speaker 5: then have to deal with pushing back with the state
Speaker 5: and so forth, or they say no, we're just we're
Speaker 5: just going to comply with the state laws, and then
Speaker 5: it's like, well, how are we going to replace the
Speaker 5: federal funding that.
Speaker 6: Will be lost?
Speaker 5: And it will be lost. They're very clearly that's what
Speaker 5: they've done. In Maine, They're they're serious and so, and
Speaker 5: that includes sharing locker rooms. The Title nine court ruling
Speaker 5: also covered sharing locker rooms. It did, and you know,
Speaker 5: you know, for me, it's been a while since I
Speaker 5: was in junior high, middle school, but I still remember
Speaker 5: just the horror of having to dress undressed for pe
Speaker 5: in front of other girls. I can't imagine the trauma
Speaker 5: of a girl having to do that in front of
Speaker 5: a biological boy who says he identifies as a girl, right,
Speaker 5: I mean, I just I can't. As they always go
Speaker 5: on and on about all the trauma that kids experience
Speaker 5: and that's why they, you know, have all these mental
Speaker 5: health issues and we need all this counseling without ever
Speaker 5: any recognition, well, how much of that trauma is the
Speaker 5: education system responsible.
Speaker 3: For, right?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 2: And sometimes they you know, claim to care about one
Speaker 2: particular person at the expense of all the other kids,
Speaker 2: and so they are creating exponentially more issues than they,
Speaker 2: you know, think they're solving.
Speaker 5: Right, And then they go on, you know, they love
Speaker 5: to quote the NCAA testimony that says there's only ten transgenders,
Speaker 5: you know, competing in the entire state country. But that's
Speaker 5: just simply not true. The other thing that's true because
Speaker 5: because I can't give name specific names, they say, well
Speaker 5: they then they're like, well, then it's not true, and
Speaker 5: it's like, well, you know as well as I do.
Speaker 5: It breaks the law.
Speaker 3: If I say, yeah, you're not allowed to do that.
Speaker 5: It is name right, say that they're transgender, well exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're between a rock and heartsquat exactly well.
Speaker 5: And the parents who have been commenting are being called
Speaker 5: liars wow, because they can't say the names.
Speaker 2: They know it right exactly, and so they ask for
Speaker 2: evidence that isn't allowed to be given legally, and then
Speaker 2: say people are lying and Nancy, we have about thirty
Speaker 2: seconds left before I have to go to break. So
Speaker 2: this is Nancy rum Rum fault from the Thompson School District.
Speaker 2: If you could take thirty seconds basically and give parents
Speaker 2: advice on what they can do in their district.
Speaker 5: Be involved as to see what their policy is under
Speaker 5: ac for discrimination. Do they have a gender transition plan
Speaker 5: they'll do without their permission? Do they know about on
Speaker 5: overnight sports trips that their child could be put in
Speaker 5: a room with someone of the opposite biological sects? They
Speaker 5: can say no, these are things parents need to be
Speaker 5: aware of and they need to say enough, we need
Speaker 5: to have a fair discussion rational I've how to deal
Speaker 5: with this issue fairly.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Nancy. It's a great advice for parents.
Speaker 2: Been listening to Nancy Rumfeldt Christy Britton Brown on the
Speaker 2: Dankpla Show calling over the break if you have thoughts
Speaker 2: of what's going on in our school districts with transgenders
Speaker 2: playing in girls sports.
Speaker 3: Eight five five four zero five eight two five five.
Speaker 3: If you're on the Dan Kapla.
Speaker 4: Show, you're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Nancy Rumfeldt, a member of the Thompson School District, was
Speaker 2: giving parents important information about what might be going on
Speaker 2: in your school district because there is a conflict in
Speaker 2: some of Colorado's guidance or by sports organizations, some laws,
Speaker 2: some anti discrimination laws in Colorado, and then the title
Speaker 2: nine the law when it comes to boys playing in
Speaker 2: girls sports or the other way around.
Speaker 3: You just don't tendency.
Speaker 2: The other way around tappen very often, but there are
Speaker 2: a lot of issues involved with this is even go
Speaker 2: into girls' locker rooms. Jefferson School District had a huge issue,
Speaker 2: as many of you know with a boy sleeping in
Speaker 2: the room of a girl on a field trip. Jefferson
Speaker 2: School districtually filled with a ton of really bad issues
Speaker 2: with kids. I think if your kid is in that district,
Speaker 2: you may want to seriously consider getting them out and
Speaker 2: finding a different school. It's one of the great reasons
Speaker 2: that Colorado has open enrollment laws. You actually don't have
Speaker 2: to go to your signed neighborhood school. Not only are
Speaker 2: you allowed to, of course, pick a charter school, private school, homeschool,
Speaker 2: but you can just cross district lines and go to
Speaker 2: a school that better fits your child. So Nancy Rumfeldt
Speaker 2: gave parents a lot of good advice and information on
Speaker 2: what you can check on in your schools and see
Speaker 2: what your children may be being exposed or subjected to,
Speaker 2: and how you can work on ending that.
Speaker 3: Let's move to a different issue.
Speaker 2: Though there's been a lot of information about ice and
Speaker 2: sanctuary state and city status in Colorado constantly in the news.
Speaker 3: Maybe some people thought.
Speaker 2: It would die down when Mike Johnson, the Denver mayor,
Speaker 2: went up to Congress and testified. If that's what the
Speaker 2: mayor was hoping for, that's certainly not what happens. He
Speaker 2: told Aaron Burnett that he wasn't aware of an illegal
Speaker 2: immigrant who was released by police and then attacked ICE
Speaker 2: agents in a parking lot. This has actually become one
Speaker 2: of the big issues that's gone on in Denver. I'll
Speaker 2: talk about it a little bit after I play this
Speaker 2: clip party.
Speaker 6: The ICE officers got assaulted, didn't he?
Speaker 3: I reviewed the video.
Speaker 6: I had to taze the guy. Didn't he like my answer? Sir, no,
Speaker 6: I'd like you answer. Did they tase him?
Speaker 7: I know that there were six officers done multiple tasers.
Speaker 6: It was not safer for the ICE agents who are
Speaker 6: part of your community. No way was it safer. The
Speaker 6: safest thing to do is to say, Ice, we got
Speaker 6: him in custody, come here, we're releasing. We held him
Speaker 6: three hundred and forty five days. We can't hold him
Speaker 6: a second longer. We can't wait for you to come
Speaker 6: inside the building. We got to let him go, so
Speaker 6: you have to rest him in the parking lot. That
Speaker 6: is how stupid Sankstuary policies are.
Speaker 8: I know you're obviously going to take issue or Umbridge
Speaker 8: with the way that he presented it, but does does
Speaker 8: he have a point? Does That's a situation of what
Speaker 8: happened in that case in Denver show something that must change.
Speaker 7: I mean, we've had an established policy to do this.
Speaker 7: We've done it twelve hundred and twenty six times and
Speaker 7: never had an issue. What happens is if we have
Speaker 7: someone in our custody that ICE wants access to, they
Speaker 7: ask for a notification, we notify when they'll be released,
Speaker 7: and where we are different than some of the other
Speaker 7: cities today and that we do actually notify ICE so
Speaker 7: they can pick them up. This is the first time
Speaker 7: I've ever been where there's been an incident. There were
Speaker 7: six ICE officers there. The individual was unarmed. We walked
Speaker 7: him right out into a secure location that's a parking
Speaker 7: lot that's fenced where he can be detained. And so
Speaker 7: again it's worked safely before. I've reached out to ICE.
Speaker 7: We're going to meet with them next week. If there
Speaker 7: are procedures we can adjust to make it safe, and
Speaker 7: we're open to that. But this has been a procedure
Speaker 7: that's worked for a long long time. We've never had
Speaker 7: an issue until this week.
Speaker 2: Okay, as Mayor Mike Johnson get first, they played you
Speaker 2: a clip from Congress with him getting questioned about this situation,
Speaker 2: and then his answer to Aaron Burnett asking if.
Speaker 3: Well, do they have a point that maybe.
Speaker 2: I llegal immigrant he's committed a violent crime shouldn't be
Speaker 2: turned over to ICE in a parking lot where not
Speaker 2: only could they attack ICE officers, but they also could
Speaker 2: get away, run away, go back into the communities. And
Speaker 2: despite the mayor saying, oh, we've never had issues with
Speaker 2: this before, we notify ICE unlike so many other cities.
Speaker 3: It's very interesting that this is.
Speaker 2: The picture he's continuing to choose the paint of Denver
Speaker 2: when Denver is defined by nonpartisan national organizations as one
Speaker 2: of the sanctuary cities, one of the biggest sanctuary cities
Speaker 2: in the United States. When that status that Denver has
Speaker 2: is what caused the Venezuela TDA gang to declare Denver
Speaker 2: as their US headquarters. They wouldn't do that in a
Speaker 2: non sanctuary city. And Denver itself has passed specific city
Speaker 2: ordinances making the city a sanctuary city, banning their law
Speaker 2: enforcement from coordinating with ICE in multiple ways. So the
Speaker 2: fact that that is a law in Denver, in addition
Speaker 2: the state law that prevents even more coordination with ICE
Speaker 2: in reporting to ICE data sharing with ICE. There's a
Speaker 2: street different state laws that affect Colorado sanctuary state status.
Speaker 2: But Denver has even gone further and past their own laws.
Speaker 2: And yet the mayor is saying, oh, no, we do
Speaker 2: report to ICE, unlike a whole lot of other cities. Well,
Speaker 2: then they must be violating their own city ordinances. Now
Speaker 2: I agree with them reporting into ICE. Here's the problem, though,
Speaker 2: You've got to change your law if that's what you're doing,
Speaker 2: because technically your law makes you a sanctuary city and
Speaker 2: bans cooperation with ICE. So very interesting the mayor is
Speaker 2: claiming they're doing something that they're technically not allowed to
Speaker 2: do under city or state law. Now what's also interesting
Speaker 2: is he is trying to stress the point to that,
Speaker 2: oh no, we really do report to ICE every time
Speaker 2: before we release someone. Okay, well, let's look at this
Speaker 2: specific situation when a violent criminal was released and ICE
Speaker 2: was notified. You know what, do you know what kind
Speaker 2: of notification they got? It was over email ninety minutes
Speaker 2: before he was going to be released in a parking lot.
Speaker 2: If you call that good coordination and good notification, I
Speaker 2: think you have a real problem with processes and facts.
Speaker 2: So the fact that the Mayor's like, well, okay, we'll
Speaker 2: go ahead and meet with ICE and we'll be open
Speaker 2: to adjusting policies. No one in their right mind would
Speaker 2: say that is an actual coordination policy at all. To
Speaker 2: give ninety minutes over an email and say that someone's
Speaker 2: going to be released and then turn them over in
Speaker 2: a parking lot, So a whole lot needs to change
Speaker 2: in Denver. Top of the list would be the law
Speaker 2: that allows all of this to happen and allows Denver
Speaker 2: to handle it however they want, because technically they don't
Speaker 2: have to do it at all. So interesting that the
Speaker 2: mayor still wants to go around and defend the policies
Speaker 2: claim maybe he'll change them. What he needs to address
Speaker 2: is whether or not he would support changing the law
Speaker 2: in Denver to require law enforcement to actually report the
Speaker 2: release of violent criminals from Denver jails to ICE agents
Speaker 2: the Department of Homeland Security, so that they can be
Speaker 2: taken out of Denver, out of Colorado, and out of
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 3: This is a very popular thing.
Speaker 2: Over seventy percent of Americans, I think it's closer to
Speaker 2: eighty percent according to a recent poll, believe that violent
Speaker 2: criminals should be deported out of America if they were
Speaker 2: illegally here in the first place. This is not a
Speaker 2: part of an issue because guess what, eighty percent of
Speaker 2: Americans are not all Republicans or Conservatives. This is a
Speaker 2: common sense American issue. We don't want violent criminals who
Speaker 2: have no right to be here staying in our communities,
Speaker 2: and we do expect our cities, our state, our law
Speaker 2: enforcement to actually cooperate in a way that would take
Speaker 2: these people out of our communities once they're released from jail.
Speaker 3: You can call in anytime if you have thoughts.
Speaker 2: Eight five to five four zero five eight two five five.
Speaker 2: I'm Christy Burton Brown here on the dan kaplis show.
Speaker 2: Another interesting point of someone trying to backtrack and explain
Speaker 2: away their position. Senator Chuck Schumer, the leader of the
Speaker 2: Democrats in the Senate, attempting to explain why he changed
Speaker 2: his mind almost last minute and signed onto the Continuing
Speaker 2: Resolution bill.
Speaker 3: Here is a reason that he gives Parry.
Speaker 6: The ice officers got assaulted.
Speaker 3: Didn't he I reviewed the video?
Speaker 6: Had the guy didn't?
Speaker 3: Sorry?
Speaker 2: I think the that is actually the wrong clip for you.
Speaker 2: Let me try the Schumer talking about this government shut That's.
Speaker 6: Why I did it.
Speaker 9: I wasn't going to take this flat just for having
Speaker 9: a lot of fun. The bottom line is the government
Speaker 9: shutdown works like this, All government spending is stopped all
Speaker 9: and then the executive branch Trump, Musk, Doge and this
Speaker 9: really evil man people don't know about Vote, who's head
Speaker 9: of OMB. His name is Vote.
Speaker 10: That's what happens.
Speaker 9: Is the Office of Management budget, which determines the spending,
Speaker 9: and they could cut off anything they want simply by
Speaker 9: saying it's not essential.
Speaker 2: So his real reason to agree to not show the
Speaker 2: shut down the government is because they're evil people behind
Speaker 2: the scenes who will then make all the decisions, and
Speaker 2: he simply couldn't let that happen. Here's something else he
Speaker 2: said about the Trump administration that I think is fairly unique.
Speaker 9: They hate the government.
Speaker 2: They want there we are they hate the government. That's
Speaker 2: why they are in government is because they hate the government.
Speaker 3: Doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: But I also think a lot of our listeners don't
Speaker 2: really love the government either, So it's not necessarily a
Speaker 2: reason to do something or to criticize someone is to say, well,
Speaker 2: because they hate the government, therefore they're going to do
Speaker 2: awful things. There's no question that the government, both at
Speaker 2: the state and federal levels, needs to be cut. There's
Speaker 2: a ton of waste, ton of inefficiency, ton of bureaucracy,
Speaker 2: and the fact that Trump promised to cut a lot
Speaker 2: of that is actually one of the reasons he won,
Speaker 2: and not only the electoral College, but the popular vote
Speaker 2: for one of the first times in a long time
Speaker 2: for Republican presidential candidate.
Speaker 3: People don't like the government either and wanted someone in
Speaker 3: there to shake it up.
Speaker 2: So Mayor Mike Johnston, Senator Chuck Schumer, they can backtrack
Speaker 2: and give all the explanations they want, but it's really
Speaker 2: not working.
Speaker 3: I'm Christy Britton Brown. You're on the Dan Kapela Show.
Speaker 3: I've got to take a break.
Speaker 2: You can call in over the break eight five five
Speaker 2: four zero five eight two five five.
Speaker 4: And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2: While we were in a break, I was talking to
Speaker 2: Welld County Sheriff Reems, who is no stranger to this show,
Speaker 2: and he was telling me about a program our system
Speaker 2: he has up in Weld County that solves part of
Speaker 2: this constant problem Denver has with illegal immigrants who commit
Speaker 2: violent crimes and release them in parking lots. Sheriff Reems,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 10: Hey, thanks for having me on, Christia. It's kind of
Speaker 10: weird after being a guest host yesterday, I didn't figure
Speaker 10: i'd be calling in, But you're on an interesting topic
Speaker 10: for me.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just can't get away. That's what happens
Speaker 2: when you host the show.
Speaker 10: I just draws you back in.
Speaker 3: It does all the time. But yeah, I would love
Speaker 3: for you to tell our listeners.
Speaker 2: It's such a relevant issue right now with I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like a relevant issue every single day because there's
Speaker 2: another story of either someone escaping for an ICE detention
Speaker 2: facility or Denver not cooperating with ICE. So why don't
Speaker 2: you tell our listeners what you do up in Well County.
Speaker 10: So this is a relatively new process even for me,
Speaker 10: because under the past administration, ICE agents would not come
Speaker 10: to a jail prior to an inmates release to pick
Speaker 10: them up. So they would wait until that mat had
Speaker 10: finished his incarceration and then they'd say, Okay, can we
Speaker 10: come get him now. With the new administration, I made
Speaker 10: some phone calls to some of the some of the
Speaker 10: bigger folks up to Chain and just said, hey, would
Speaker 10: you guys be willing to come get this person before
Speaker 10: their actual release date. If we were released into you early,
Speaker 10: let's say you had a desire to come question this
Speaker 10: person for investigative purposes, I'd be happy to release them
Speaker 10: to your custody on what we call a body receipt.
Speaker 10: You can take them to the facility of your choice
Speaker 10: and do your interviews and make a determination of whether
Speaker 10: or not there's some kind of legal proceeding you want
Speaker 10: to take. I don't dive into, you know, what their
Speaker 10: questioning is about, because that's their parent, that's their issue.
Speaker 10: If the FBI showed up and said I want to
Speaker 10: we want to take a guy to interviewing for you know,
Speaker 10: a terrorist activity, we would cooperate with the FBI if
Speaker 10: Secret Server showed up, same thing. So we're just extending
Speaker 10: We're extending that same courtesy to ICE. And if they
Speaker 10: show up and pick one of our inmates up and say,
Speaker 10: you know, we'd like to take this person to go
Speaker 10: investigate them. If they don't bring them back, we assume
Speaker 10: they found a charge that was more severe than what
Speaker 10: we're holding them, what we were holding that person on,
Speaker 10: and you know, they start the deportation process or whatever
Speaker 10: it is they need to do. That. Being said, you know,
Speaker 10: it's a judgment call from me. Sure. So you know,
Speaker 10: if we've got a person in on a really high
Speaker 10: you know, a high seriousness crime, we're probably going to
Speaker 10: tell I say this one, find me sustain our custody.
Speaker 10: Whatever you're investigating them for probably isn't as severe as
Speaker 10: what he's setting here for. Yeah, but it's a relational thing,
Speaker 10: and it's so far it's working great. I'm sure. I'm
Speaker 10: sure the Democrats won't like what we're doing. In fact,
Speaker 10: I know there's some that don't, but you know, at
Speaker 10: some point you got to you got to find a
Speaker 10: solution to the problem. And we're not violating any law
Speaker 10: by doing so. And it's working for.
Speaker 3: Weldcown well absolutely.
Speaker 2: And I think to your point, share frames the fact
Speaker 2: that you would do the same thing for the FBI
Speaker 2: or other federal agencies. And I assume other local law
Speaker 2: enforcement would do it for them too, if they're investigating
Speaker 2: terrorism or.
Speaker 3: Some big crime.
Speaker 2: Why in ICE as a federal agency and say, well,
Speaker 2: you don't get the same treatment any other federal agency does.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't make sense. It's literally there's nothing.
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's nothing in the law that says that we can't,
Speaker 10: you know, have a cordial relationship with the ICE. It
Speaker 10: just says that we can't detain an inmate past their
Speaker 10: mandatory release date, so right not to be released, we
Speaker 10: have to release them. But I'm not doing that. So,
Speaker 10: you know, if ICE has an interest in a person,
Speaker 10: they express an interest in that person, we will work
Speaker 10: with them in the event that we can, so that
Speaker 10: they can come and pick that individual up and take
Speaker 10: them in for investigative purposes. But I would do that
Speaker 10: for the Douglas County Sheriff's office or even the Denver
Speaker 10: Police Department if they had interest in one of my
Speaker 10: inmates and they were willing to sign that person out
Speaker 10: to go, you know, participate in an investigative process. You
Speaker 10: got them, and we'll hand them basically, like I said,
Speaker 10: what's called a body receipt, and if they don't bring
Speaker 10: that person back, we work out who's got custody and wine.
Speaker 10: And that's pretty.
Speaker 3: Common, honestly, sure, I mean it sounds like it would be.
Speaker 2: It's basically coordination between law enforcement agencies, whether local, state,
Speaker 2: or federal, and seems like the best way to do business.
Speaker 3: When you have that.
Speaker 10: Choice, it works out just fine, as long as the
Speaker 10: legislatorial staut.
Speaker 2: Of the middle of it, which we desperately need them
Speaker 2: to do, stop siding with criminals and illegal immigrants and
Speaker 2: how about you choose victims and communities for once.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I can tell you everybody that I just
Speaker 10: come to interact with at my agency, they were there
Speaker 10: on a very lawful charge. You know. It's not like
Speaker 10: they were being held for jaywalking. They were in my
Speaker 10: facility for a reason. But oftentimes, the likely penalty that
Speaker 10: they were going to receive for the charge that they
Speaker 10: were in custody for probably isn't nearly as bad as
Speaker 10: going back home to where.
Speaker 3: They came from exactly. But pay. That's where they should.
Speaker 2: Be if they're here illegally and want to give at
Speaker 2: crimes in our state. So thank you, Sheriff Reams for
Speaker 2: explaining that. I think, you know, I think there probably
Speaker 2: are some other law enforcement agencies that do what you do,
Speaker 2: and some in Colorado Lake Tenver who certainly do not,
Speaker 2: who could learn a few things.
Speaker 3: So thank you for explaining that.
Speaker 10: Bet, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. That was the Sheriff Steve.
Speaker 2: Rhems from welld County, well known to listeners of this show,
Speaker 2: and well known around Colorado for his strong stand on
Speaker 2: the side of protecting victims, protecting communities, and putting criminals
Speaker 2: where they belong. I think, you know, there's just so
Speaker 2: many issues when we talk about Colorado's designation as a
Speaker 2: sanctuary state and Denvers as a sanctuary city, and this
Speaker 2: is just one of the illustrated issues that you lack
Speaker 2: that cooperation between law enforcement agencies that.
Speaker 3: They want to have.
Speaker 2: But then the state comes in the middle of it,
Speaker 2: the liberals and the legislature, who most of them have
Speaker 2: never ever ever worked in law enforcement a day in
Speaker 2: their lives, and yet they think they're suddenly the experts
Speaker 2: standing in between law enforcement one law enforcement agency and
Speaker 2: another one.
Speaker 3: And just because they're on the federal level, and oh.
Speaker 2: No, Mike, take someone out of the country after they
Speaker 2: commit a crime, we shouldn't cooperate with them. It's extremely
Speaker 2: arbitrary standard and one that doesn't keep us safer. Many
Speaker 2: of these laws combined, when you combine all the anti victim,
Speaker 2: anti safety, so called criminal justice laws that have been
Speaker 2: passed in Colorado, particularly since twenty nineteen, some before that,
Speaker 2: and many after that, it is no wonder that, according
Speaker 2: to US News and World Report, Colorado is the third
Speaker 2: most dangerous state in the nation. I know Governor Poulis
Speaker 2: loves to stand up at every State of the State
Speaker 2: address and say, oh, we're going to become one of
Speaker 2: the top ten most safe states in the nation, but
Speaker 2: there's no movement towards that from the legislature at all.
Speaker 2: In fact, it continues to get worse. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
Speaker 2: You're on the Dan Kapli Show. When we come back
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the next hour, we're going to
Speaker 2: talk to State Representative Jarvis Caldwell, who has been leading
Speaker 2: the charge at the legislature to put criminals where they belong,
Speaker 2: have real charges against them, and protect victims. He's getting
Speaker 2: no help from those who control the legislature. But he's
Speaker 2: specifically going to talk about the Democrats trying to eliminate
Speaker 2: first degree attempted murder charges. It's absolutely crazy. You've got
Speaker 2: to hear it. Stay here on the Dan Kapla Show.