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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 1>edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>for Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, I saw this duphole that Senator Mike Lee posted,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's somewhat interesting because when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>numbers of which voting demographics tend to go liberal tend

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<v Speaker 2>to go conservative, it usually matches up that people who've

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<v Speaker 2>gone to college and have college degrees tend to vote

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<v Speaker 2>democrat or a liberal. It is a problem I would

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<v Speaker 2>say that we've had for a long time now. Plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of people don't fit that demographic. I have a college degree,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm young, and I'm a woman, a woman, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a Democrat.

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<v Speaker 3>So certainly there's people who don't fit in that box.

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<v Speaker 2>But this poll was really interesting because it was showing

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<v Speaker 2>let's see, it only polls. Well, and maybe this is

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<v Speaker 2>just the only part that Mike Lee posted, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was only showing white men, white women with a college

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<v Speaker 2>degree and without a college degree, okay, And it was

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<v Speaker 2>showing the difference in their opinions of Donald Trump, J. Dvance,

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk Doge, the Republican Party, Zelenski Dei, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party. Kind of this very interesting section of things

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<v Speaker 2>it was asking voters their opinion on. But here is

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that I particularly thought was interesting. When you

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<v Speaker 2>look at white men with a college degree, they do

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<v Speaker 2>not like the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. But

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<v Speaker 2>the Democratic Party has fallen quite a lot with this demographic.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Republican Party is minus eleven, so basically like

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<v Speaker 2>underwater by eleven points in white men with college degrees opinions,

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<v Speaker 2>but the Democratic Party underwater by thirty eight points minus

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<v Speaker 2>thirty eight. This is fairly incredible when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>election polls that usually show white men with college degrees

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<v Speaker 2>often will vote more on the Democrat side, but not

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<v Speaker 2>at all in this specific opinion poll. Now, women with

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<v Speaker 2>college degrees very very different story. Democrat Party still underwater

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<v Speaker 2>though by four points. That Republican Party underwater by thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five points. With that demographic, which certainly matches up with

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<v Speaker 2>what normally happens. White women with college degrees tend to

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<v Speaker 2>not like the Republican Party at all. But what is

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<v Speaker 2>also fairly interesting to me is that going back to

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<v Speaker 2>white men with college degrees, they were plus one on

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump, even though they were minus eleven with the

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<v Speaker 2>Republican Party. So they particularly apparently maybe changing their opinion

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<v Speaker 2>of Republicans conservatives through the lens of Donald Trump. That's

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting, showing the trajectory perhaps of what may or

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<v Speaker 2>may not happen over the coming years. I have talked

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<v Speaker 2>before about how I think the Republican Party is going

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<v Speaker 2>to need to figure out what to do when Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is no longer the head of the party, no

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<v Speaker 2>longer the president, and we are of course talking years

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<v Speaker 2>down the road, but he's been such a pivotal figurehead

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<v Speaker 2>in the party. Is some demographics moving towards the party

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<v Speaker 2>because of him, some demographics moving away from the party

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<v Speaker 2>because of him, but more moving towards the party than

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<v Speaker 2>against it.

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<v Speaker 3>But still the.

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<v Speaker 2>Party's going to have to figure out exactly what to

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<v Speaker 2>do because despite a lot of politicians' opinion that they

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<v Speaker 2>can be the next Donald Trump, no one really is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to fit that bill.

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<v Speaker 3>He is a unique individual.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, poll again cited by Senator Mike Lee on

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter today just showing the difference of opinion among different

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<v Speaker 2>see the Republican Party itself being a plus twenty five

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<v Speaker 3>So those, of course, are.

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<v Speaker 2>The two groups with the most difference, is white men

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<v Speaker 2>So that difference has not changed in a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of it, though, points to what's.

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<v Speaker 3>Going on in our institutions of higher education.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at all races who have college degrees

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<v Speaker 2>push toward the liberal side from practically every group that

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<v Speaker 2>about what colleges are most likely teaching and pushing people towards.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't think that is a surprise, and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>potential movement among white men with college degrees more against

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<v Speaker 2>the Democratic Party. Now, we see that the Democratic Party,

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<v Speaker 2>according to a lot of analysts, experts, even their own politicians,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that they really have no idea what to do

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<v Speaker 2>right now with Trump and what he's doing. You see

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<v Speaker 2>them trying out a whole lot of types of messaging

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<v Speaker 2>to see what might stick.

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<v Speaker 3>But last time I was hosting the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably about a week and a half ago, I was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about how not only do they have a messaging

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<v Speaker 2>problem right now, they really don't know how to combat Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw that illustrated in the Joint Congressional Address when

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<v Speaker 2>they objected to absolutely everything that Donald Trump talked about,

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<v Speaker 2>even those eighty twenty issues that the majority of people

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<v Speaker 2>want to support, like kicking violent criminals who are illegally

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<v Speaker 2>in our country out of our country, for example. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think you also see the Democrats having a policy problem.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't know what to contrast Trump's policies with. Because

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<v Speaker 2>usually if you're going to say, oh, you know, terrible policy,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't want to do this in the US, you

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<v Speaker 2>need to have a contrasting policy that gives a different option,

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<v Speaker 2>a different opinion. More hope to people, and they just

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<v Speaker 2>haven't haven't settled on it yet, and I'm okay with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think probably a lot of our listeners are okay

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<v Speaker 2>with that. But we'll see if they ever find a

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<v Speaker 2>way to get it together. Not yet is the answer,

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<v Speaker 2>and their numbers are therefore dropping among demographic groups where

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<v Speaker 2>they typically enjoy a lot of support, and again even

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<v Speaker 2>white women with college degrees, that Democrat Party was underwater

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<v Speaker 2>by four points, which is unusual for them, usually very

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<v Speaker 2>very popular among that demographic.

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<v Speaker 3>If you have thoughts on why.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going on or anything else, you can call

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<v Speaker 2>in eight five five four zero five eight two five five.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Christy Burton Brown in for Dan Kaplis today a

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<v Speaker 2>number of topics to cover. We're going to have several

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<v Speaker 2>interviews from some pretty interesting people. All three of them

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<v Speaker 2>are elected officials here in Colorado, but on very different levels.

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<v Speaker 2>The first one I'm going to bring on about ten

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<v Speaker 2>minutes from now, actually is going to be Nancy Rumfeldt.

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<v Speaker 2>She is a member of the school board up in

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<v Speaker 3>She'll let us know what's going on there.

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<v Speaker 2>She's actually gotten a lot of media attention for wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a shirt that says real women rock. You might think this,

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<v Speaker 2>what could be the problem with that state? Well, think

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<v Speaker 2>about what the LGBTQ lobby might think of a statement

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<v Speaker 2>in girls sports. She can fill you in on exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on, but the other members of her school

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<v Speaker 2>board are trying to punish her from for exercising her

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<v Speaker 2>freedom of speech to give her opinion on women and

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<v Speaker 2>what a real woman is. So we'll bring her onto

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<v Speaker 2>the show. She can update us about what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think here's the important point in why I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to actually bring her on the show. She's going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about what parents need to look for in

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<v Speaker 2>their school districts across the state. This is not an

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<v Speaker 2>insular issue that's just going on in her district. There's

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<v Speaker 2>some information that might surprise parents and notify them about

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<v Speaker 2>what they need to watch for, where they can speak out,

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<v Speaker 2>and what they can change in their own districts. Because

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado is actually in a pretty bad spot right now

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<v Speaker 2>with CHASSA, the sports organization in the state, telling the

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<v Speaker 2>school districts that they need to allow transgender athletes to

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<v Speaker 2>compete in the sport of their choice, and yet that

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<v Speaker 2>is absolutely contrary to the Title nine direction coming from

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<v Speaker 2>the federal government saying that school districts in fact don't

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<v Speaker 2>that later on. We're also going to have this will

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<v Speaker 2>actually be in the next hour. Representative Jarvis Caldwell, who's

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<v Speaker 2>been sponsoring a lot of the law enforcement criminal justice bills,

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that actually crack down on crime and help victims,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've been killed by the legislature up to now.

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<v Speaker 2>What I really want him to talk about is a

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<v Speaker 2>bill that was heard last night until one point thirty

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<v Speaker 2>in the House Judiciary Committee. This is a bill sponsored

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<v Speaker 2>by Democrats, and by the way, they laid it over

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<v Speaker 2>so there hasn't actually been a vote on it yet.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going to vote on it later.

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<v Speaker 2>But they would actually eliminate the one of the crimes

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<v Speaker 2>classified under attempted first degree murder, reclassify it, and let

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<v Speaker 2>people off in one to four years for attempting murder.

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<v Speaker 2>I know one of the people who testify last night

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe in the early morning ours was a survivor

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<v Speaker 2>degree murder committed against him, and yet the Democrats in

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<v Speaker 2>this committee we're seeking to lessen that crime. So those

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<v Speaker 2>are some things you have to look forward to on

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<v Speaker 2>the show today. I'm going to take a break. You

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.

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<v Speaker 4>And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>It's or things you should watch out and make sure

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<v Speaker 2>you speak up about. In that context, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>bring in Nancy Rumfeldt to the Dan Kapola Show. She

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<v Speaker 2>is on a school board up north. I'm gonna let

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<v Speaker 2>her tell you about it. And like I said before

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<v Speaker 2>the break, she has gotten in trouble with the other

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<v Speaker 2>people on the board for wearing a shirt that I

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<v Speaker 2>think we would all agree with. It says real Women Rock.

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<v Speaker 3>Nancy. Welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you Christy for having me on. I'm still I'm

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<v Speaker 5>still trying to understand all of the uproar and the

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<v Speaker 5>emails that have been flooding in since I wore a

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<v Speaker 5>shirt at the February meeting up here in the Thompson

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<v Speaker 5>School District, which is like the Loveland birthed area.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and it just it.

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<v Speaker 5>Really seems to center around from everything I can gather

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<v Speaker 5>that the transgender community, the parents, family, they want, they

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not certain how to get around that, because the

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<v Speaker 5>reality is you're you're either born with with one part

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<v Speaker 5>to change that, you're still you're still always for ever

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and no, to your point, like biology doesn't lie

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<v Speaker 2>the liberal side, who are against you for years and

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<v Speaker 2>decades have said, oh, listen to science, listen to science.

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<v Speaker 2>Science is king, and then when science doesn't prove them right,

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly. Plus many of them have been sending me science

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, that's so ridiculous, as a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>female athletes, over one hundred female athletes anywhere from junior

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<v Speaker 3>Girls' sports, it harms them. And one of the ways is.

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<v Speaker 2>Physical, because all of these characteristics that are built into

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's where you go when you don't have

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<v Speaker 5>Where you go. And it's also they keep bringing up

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<v Speaker 5>So it's almost they want anything and everything to be.

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<v Speaker 5>And here in Colorado this.

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<v Speaker 5>Thompson School District issue, because we have all of these laws,

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<v Speaker 5>state laws that require that you know, transgenders have all

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<v Speaker 5>we have gender identity, all of these things, and so

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<v Speaker 5>that either a school district complies with Title nine and

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't allow biological boys males to be to participate in

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<v Speaker 5>federal funding that.

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<v Speaker 6>Will be lost?

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<v Speaker 5>And it will be lost. They're very clearly that's what

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<v Speaker 5>they've done. In Maine, They're they're serious and so, and

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<v Speaker 5>a biological boy who says he identifies as a girl, right,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I just I can't. As they always go

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<v Speaker 3>For, right?

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes they you know, claim to care about one

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<v Speaker 2>and so they are creating exponentially more issues than they,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, think they're solving.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, And then they go on, you know, they love

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<v Speaker 5>to quote the NCAA testimony that says there's only ten transgenders,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, competing in the entire state country. But that's

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<v Speaker 5>just simply not true. The other thing that's true because

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<v Speaker 5>because I can't give name specific names, they say, well

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<v Speaker 5>It breaks the law.

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<v Speaker 3>If I say, yeah, you're not allowed to do that.

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<v Speaker 5>It is name right, say that they're transgender, well exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you're between a rock and heartsquat exactly well.

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<v Speaker 5>And the parents who have been commenting are being called

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<v Speaker 2>They know it right exactly, and so they ask for

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that isn't allowed to be given legally, and then

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<v Speaker 2>say people are lying and Nancy, we have about thirty

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<v Speaker 2>this is Nancy rum Rum fault from the Thompson School District.

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<v Speaker 2>If you could take thirty seconds basically and give parents

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<v Speaker 5>Be involved as to see what their policy is under

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<v Speaker 5>ac for discrimination. Do they have a gender transition plan

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<v Speaker 5>they'll do without their permission? Do they know about on

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<v Speaker 5>overnight sports trips that their child could be put in

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<v Speaker 5>a room with someone of the opposite biological sects? They

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<v Speaker 5>can say no, these are things parents need to be

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Nancy. It's a great advice for parents.

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<v Speaker 2>Been listening to Nancy Rumfeldt Christy Britton Brown on the

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<v Speaker 2>Dankpla Show calling over the break if you have thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>of what's going on in our school districts with transgenders

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<v Speaker 2>playing in girls sports.

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<v Speaker 3>Eight five five four zero five eight two five five.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're on the Dan Kapla.

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy Rumfeldt, a member of the Thompson School District, was

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<v Speaker 2>giving parents important information about what might be going on

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<v Speaker 2>in your school district because there is a conflict in

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<v Speaker 2>some of Colorado's guidance or by sports organizations, some laws,

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<v Speaker 2>some anti discrimination laws in Colorado, and then the title

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<v Speaker 2>nine the law when it comes to boys playing in

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<v Speaker 3>You just don't tendency.

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<v Speaker 2>The other way around tappen very often, but there are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of issues involved with this is even go

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<v Speaker 2>into girls' locker rooms. Jefferson School District had a huge issue,

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<v Speaker 2>you may want to seriously consider getting them out and

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<v Speaker 2>finding a different school. It's one of the great reasons

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<v Speaker 2>that Colorado has open enrollment laws. You actually don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to go to your signed neighborhood school. Not only are

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<v Speaker 2>a school that better fits your child. So Nancy Rumfeldt

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<v Speaker 2>gave parents a lot of good advice and information on

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<v Speaker 2>what you can check on in your schools and see

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<v Speaker 2>what your children may be being exposed or subjected to,

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<v Speaker 2>and how you can work on ending that.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's move to a different issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Though there's been a lot of information about ice and

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<v Speaker 2>sanctuary state and city status in Colorado constantly in the news.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe some people thought.

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<v Speaker 2>It would die down when Mike Johnson, the Denver mayor,

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<v Speaker 2>went up to Congress and testified. If that's what the

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<v Speaker 2>mayor was hoping for, that's certainly not what happens. He

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<v Speaker 2>told Aaron Burnett that he wasn't aware of an illegal

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<v Speaker 2>immigrant who was released by police and then attacked ICE

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<v Speaker 2>agents in a parking lot. This has actually become one

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<v Speaker 2>of the big issues that's gone on in Denver. I'll

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<v Speaker 6>The ICE officers got assaulted, didn't he?

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<v Speaker 3>I reviewed the video.

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<v Speaker 6>I had to taze the guy. Didn't he like my answer? Sir, no,

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<v Speaker 6>I'd like you answer. Did they tase him?

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<v Speaker 7>I know that there were six officers done multiple tasers.

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<v Speaker 6>It was not safer for the ICE agents who are

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<v Speaker 6>part of your community. No way was it safer. The

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<v Speaker 6>safest thing to do is to say, Ice, we got

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<v Speaker 6>him in custody, come here, we're releasing. We held him

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<v Speaker 6>three hundred and forty five days. We can't hold him

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<v Speaker 6>a second longer. We can't wait for you to come

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<v Speaker 6>inside the building. We got to let him go, so

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<v Speaker 6>you have to rest him in the parking lot. That

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<v Speaker 6>is how stupid Sankstuary policies are.

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<v Speaker 8>I know you're obviously going to take issue or Umbridge

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<v Speaker 8>with the way that he presented it, but does does

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<v Speaker 8>he have a point? Does That's a situation of what

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<v Speaker 8>happened in that case in Denver show something that must change.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, we've had an established policy to do this.

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<v Speaker 7>We've done it twelve hundred and twenty six times and

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<v Speaker 7>never had an issue. What happens is if we have

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<v Speaker 7>someone in our custody that ICE wants access to, they

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<v Speaker 7>ask for a notification, we notify when they'll be released,

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<v Speaker 7>and where we are different than some of the other

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<v Speaker 7>cities today and that we do actually notify ICE so

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<v Speaker 7>they can pick them up. This is the first time

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<v Speaker 7>I've ever been where there's been an incident. There were

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<v Speaker 7>six ICE officers there. The individual was unarmed. We walked

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<v Speaker 7>him right out into a secure location that's a parking

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<v Speaker 7>lot that's fenced where he can be detained. And so

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<v Speaker 7>again it's worked safely before. I've reached out to ICE.

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<v Speaker 7>We're going to meet with them next week. If there

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<v Speaker 7>are procedures we can adjust to make it safe, and

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<v Speaker 7>we're open to that. But this has been a procedure

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<v Speaker 7>that's worked for a long long time. We've never had

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<v Speaker 7>an issue until this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, as Mayor Mike Johnson get first, they played you

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<v Speaker 2>a clip from Congress with him getting questioned about this situation,

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<v Speaker 2>I llegal immigrant he's committed a violent crime shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>only could they attack ICE officers, but they also could

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<v Speaker 2>get away, run away, go back into the communities. And

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<v Speaker 2>despite the mayor saying, oh, we've never had issues with

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<v Speaker 2>this before, we notify ICE unlike so many other cities.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very interesting that this is.

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<v Speaker 2>The picture he's continuing to choose the paint of Denver

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<v Speaker 2>when Denver is defined by nonpartisan national organizations as one

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<v Speaker 2>of the sanctuary cities, one of the biggest sanctuary cities

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States. When that status that Denver has

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<v Speaker 2>as their US headquarters. They wouldn't do that in a

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<v Speaker 2>non sanctuary city. And Denver itself has passed specific city

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<v Speaker 2>ordinances making the city a sanctuary city, banning their law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement from coordinating with ICE in multiple ways. So the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that that is a law in Denver, in addition

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<v Speaker 2>the state law that prevents even more coordination with ICE

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<v Speaker 2>in reporting to ICE data sharing with ICE. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>street different state laws that affect Colorado sanctuary state status.

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<v Speaker 2>But Denver has even gone further and past their own laws.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet the mayor is saying, oh, no, we do

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<v Speaker 2>report to ICE, unlike a whole lot of other cities. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then they must be violating their own city ordinances. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with them reporting into ICE. Here's the problem, though,

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to change your law if that's what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 2>because technically your law makes you a sanctuary city and

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<v Speaker 2>bans cooperation with ICE. So very interesting the mayor is

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<v Speaker 2>claiming they're doing something that they're technically not allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>do under city or state law. Now what's also interesting

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<v Speaker 2>is he is trying to stress the point to that,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, we really do report to ICE every time

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<v Speaker 2>before we release someone. Okay, well, let's look at this

436
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<v Speaker 2>specific situation when a violent criminal was released and ICE

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<v Speaker 2>was notified. You know what, do you know what kind

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<v Speaker 2>of notification they got? It was over email ninety minutes

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<v Speaker 2>before he was going to be released in a parking lot.

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<v Speaker 2>If you call that good coordination and good notification, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you have a real problem with processes and facts.

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<v Speaker 2>So the fact that the Mayor's like, well, okay, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and meet with ICE and we'll be open

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<v Speaker 2>to adjusting policies. No one in their right mind would

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<v Speaker 2>say that is an actual coordination policy at all. To

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<v Speaker 2>give ninety minutes over an email and say that someone's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be released and then turn them over in

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<v Speaker 2>a parking lot, So a whole lot needs to change

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<v Speaker 2>in Denver. Top of the list would be the law

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<v Speaker 2>that allows all of this to happen and allows Denver

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<v Speaker 2>to handle it however they want, because technically they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to do it at all. So interesting that the

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<v Speaker 2>mayor still wants to go around and defend the policies

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<v Speaker 2>claim maybe he'll change them. What he needs to address

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<v Speaker 2>is whether or not he would support changing the law

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<v Speaker 2>in Denver to require law enforcement to actually report the

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<v Speaker 2>release of violent criminals from Denver jails to ICE agents

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Homeland Security, so that they can be

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<v Speaker 2>taken out of Denver, out of Colorado, and out of

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<v Speaker 2>the country.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a very popular thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Over seventy percent of Americans, I think it's closer to

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<v Speaker 2>eighty percent according to a recent poll, believe that violent

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<v Speaker 2>criminals should be deported out of America if they were

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<v Speaker 2>illegally here in the first place. This is not a

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<v Speaker 2>part of an issue because guess what, eighty percent of

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<v Speaker 2>Americans are not all Republicans or Conservatives. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>common sense American issue. We don't want violent criminals who

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<v Speaker 2>have no right to be here staying in our communities,

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<v Speaker 2>and we do expect our cities, our state, our law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement to actually cooperate in a way that would take

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<v Speaker 2>these people out of our communities once they're released from jail.

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<v Speaker 3>You can call in anytime if you have thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight five to five four zero five eight two five five.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Christy Burton Brown here on the dan kaplis show.

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<v Speaker 2>Another interesting point of someone trying to backtrack and explain

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<v Speaker 2>away their position. Senator Chuck Schumer, the leader of the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats in the Senate, attempting to explain why he changed

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<v Speaker 2>his mind almost last minute and signed onto the Continuing

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<v Speaker 2>Resolution bill.

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<v Speaker 3>Here is a reason that he gives Parry.

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<v Speaker 6>The ice officers got assaulted.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't he I reviewed the video?

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<v Speaker 6>Had the guy didn't?

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>I think the that is actually the wrong clip for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me try the Schumer talking about this government shut That's.

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<v Speaker 6>Why I did it.

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<v Speaker 9>I wasn't going to take this flat just for having

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of fun. The bottom line is the government

491
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<v Speaker 9>shutdown works like this, All government spending is stopped all

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<v Speaker 9>and then the executive branch Trump, Musk, Doge and this

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<v Speaker 9>really evil man people don't know about Vote, who's head

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<v Speaker 9>of OMB. His name is Vote.

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<v Speaker 10>That's what happens.

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<v Speaker 9>Is the Office of Management budget, which determines the spending,

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<v Speaker 9>and they could cut off anything they want simply by

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<v Speaker 9>saying it's not essential.

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<v Speaker 2>So his real reason to agree to not show the

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<v Speaker 2>shut down the government is because they're evil people behind

501
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<v Speaker 2>the scenes who will then make all the decisions, and

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<v Speaker 2>he simply couldn't let that happen. Here's something else he

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<v Speaker 2>said about the Trump administration that I think is fairly unique.

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<v Speaker 9>They hate the government.

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<v Speaker 2>They want there we are they hate the government. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why they are in government is because they hate the government.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't make a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also think a lot of our listeners don't

509
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<v Speaker 2>really love the government either, So it's not necessarily a

510
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<v Speaker 2>reason to do something or to criticize someone is to say, well,

511
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<v Speaker 2>because they hate the government, therefore they're going to do

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<v Speaker 2>awful things. There's no question that the government, both at

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<v Speaker 2>the state and federal levels, needs to be cut. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of waste, ton of inefficiency, ton of bureaucracy,

515
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<v Speaker 2>and the fact that Trump promised to cut a lot

516
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<v Speaker 2>of that is actually one of the reasons he won,

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<v Speaker 2>and not only the electoral College, but the popular vote

518
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<v Speaker 2>for one of the first times in a long time

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<v Speaker 2>for Republican presidential candidate.

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<v Speaker 3>People don't like the government either and wanted someone in

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<v Speaker 3>there to shake it up.

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<v Speaker 2>So Mayor Mike Johnston, Senator Chuck Schumer, they can backtrack

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<v Speaker 2>and give all the explanations they want, but it's really

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<v Speaker 2>not working.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Christy Britton Brown. You're on the Dan Kapela Show.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got to take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>You can call in over the break eight five five

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<v Speaker 2>four zero five eight two five five.

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<v Speaker 4>And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>While we were in a break, I was talking to

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<v Speaker 2>Welld County Sheriff Reems, who is no stranger to this show,

532
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<v Speaker 2>and he was telling me about a program our system

533
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<v Speaker 2>he has up in Weld County that solves part of

534
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<v Speaker 2>this constant problem Denver has with illegal immigrants who commit

535
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<v Speaker 2>violent crimes and release them in parking lots. Sheriff Reems,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.

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<v Speaker 10>Hey, thanks for having me on, Christia. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 10>weird after being a guest host yesterday, I didn't figure

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<v Speaker 10>i'd be calling in, But you're on an interesting topic

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<v Speaker 10>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you just can't get away. That's what happens

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<v Speaker 2>when you host the show.

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<v Speaker 10>I just draws you back in.

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<v Speaker 3>It does all the time. But yeah, I would love

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<v Speaker 3>for you to tell our listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a relevant issue right now with I mean,

547
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<v Speaker 2>it's like a relevant issue every single day because there's

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<v Speaker 2>another story of either someone escaping for an ICE detention

549
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<v Speaker 2>facility or Denver not cooperating with ICE. So why don't

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<v Speaker 2>you tell our listeners what you do up in Well County.

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<v Speaker 10>So this is a relatively new process even for me,

552
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<v Speaker 10>because under the past administration, ICE agents would not come

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<v Speaker 10>to a jail prior to an inmates release to pick

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<v Speaker 10>them up. So they would wait until that mat had

555
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<v Speaker 10>finished his incarceration and then they'd say, Okay, can we

556
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<v Speaker 10>come get him now. With the new administration, I made

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<v Speaker 10>some phone calls to some of the some of the

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<v Speaker 10>bigger folks up to Chain and just said, hey, would

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<v Speaker 10>you guys be willing to come get this person before

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<v Speaker 10>their actual release date. If we were released into you early,

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<v Speaker 10>let's say you had a desire to come question this

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<v Speaker 10>person for investigative purposes, I'd be happy to release them

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<v Speaker 10>to your custody on what we call a body receipt.

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<v Speaker 10>You can take them to the facility of your choice

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<v Speaker 10>and do your interviews and make a determination of whether

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<v Speaker 10>or not there's some kind of legal proceeding you want

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<v Speaker 10>to take. I don't dive into, you know, what their

568
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<v Speaker 10>questioning is about, because that's their parent, that's their issue.

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<v Speaker 10>If the FBI showed up and said I want to

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<v Speaker 10>we want to take a guy to interviewing for you know,

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<v Speaker 10>a terrorist activity, we would cooperate with the FBI if

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<v Speaker 10>Secret Server showed up, same thing. So we're just extending

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<v Speaker 10>We're extending that same courtesy to ICE. And if they

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<v Speaker 10>show up and pick one of our inmates up and say,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, we'd like to take this person to go

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<v Speaker 10>investigate them. If they don't bring them back, we assume

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<v Speaker 10>they found a charge that was more severe than what

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<v Speaker 10>we're holding them, what we were holding that person on,

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<v Speaker 10>and you know, they start the deportation process or whatever

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<v Speaker 10>it is they need to do. That. Being said, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>it's a judgment call from me. Sure. So you know,

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<v Speaker 10>if we've got a person in on a really high

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<v Speaker 10>you know, a high seriousness crime, we're probably going to

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<v Speaker 10>tell I say this one, find me sustain our custody.

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<v Speaker 10>Whatever you're investigating them for probably isn't as severe as

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<v Speaker 10>what he's setting here for. Yeah, but it's a relational thing,

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<v Speaker 10>and it's so far it's working great. I'm sure. I'm

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<v Speaker 10>sure the Democrats won't like what we're doing. In fact,

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<v Speaker 10>I know there's some that don't, but you know, at

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<v Speaker 10>some point you got to you got to find a

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<v Speaker 10>solution to the problem. And we're not violating any law

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<v Speaker 10>by doing so. And it's working for.

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<v Speaker 3>Weldcown well absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think to your point, share frames the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you would do the same thing for the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>or other federal agencies. And I assume other local law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement would do it for them too, if they're investigating

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<v Speaker 2>terrorism or.

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<v Speaker 3>Some big crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Why in ICE as a federal agency and say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get the same treatment any other federal agency does.

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<v Speaker 2>It just doesn't make sense. It's literally there's nothing.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, there's nothing in the law that says that we can't,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, have a cordial relationship with the ICE. It

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<v Speaker 10>just says that we can't detain an inmate past their

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<v Speaker 10>mandatory release date, so right not to be released, we

607
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<v Speaker 10>have to release them. But I'm not doing that. So,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, if ICE has an interest in a person,

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<v Speaker 10>they express an interest in that person, we will work

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<v Speaker 10>with them in the event that we can, so that

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<v Speaker 10>they can come and pick that individual up and take

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<v Speaker 10>them in for investigative purposes. But I would do that

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<v Speaker 10>for the Douglas County Sheriff's office or even the Denver

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<v Speaker 10>Police Department if they had interest in one of my

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<v Speaker 10>inmates and they were willing to sign that person out

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<v Speaker 10>to go, you know, participate in an investigative process. You

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<v Speaker 10>got them, and we'll hand them basically, like I said,

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<v Speaker 10>what's called a body receipt, and if they don't bring

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<v Speaker 10>that person back, we work out who's got custody and wine.

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<v Speaker 10>And that's pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>Common, honestly, sure, I mean it sounds like it would be.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically coordination between law enforcement agencies, whether local, state,

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<v Speaker 2>or federal, and seems like the best way to do business.

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<v Speaker 3>When you have that.

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<v Speaker 10>Choice, it works out just fine, as long as the

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<v Speaker 10>legislatorial staut.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the middle of it, which we desperately need them

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<v Speaker 2>to do, stop siding with criminals and illegal immigrants and

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<v Speaker 2>how about you choose victims and communities for once.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, and I can tell you everybody that I just

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<v Speaker 10>come to interact with at my agency, they were there

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<v Speaker 10>on a very lawful charge. You know. It's not like

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<v Speaker 10>they were being held for jaywalking. They were in my

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<v Speaker 10>facility for a reason. But oftentimes, the likely penalty that

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<v Speaker 10>they were going to receive for the charge that they

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<v Speaker 10>were in custody for probably isn't nearly as bad as

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<v Speaker 10>going back home to where.

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<v Speaker 3>They came from exactly. But pay. That's where they should.

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<v Speaker 2>Be if they're here illegally and want to give at

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<v Speaker 2>crimes in our state. So thank you, Sheriff Reams for

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<v Speaker 2>explaining that. I think, you know, I think there probably

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<v Speaker 2>are some other law enforcement agencies that do what you do,

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<v Speaker 2>and some in Colorado Lake Tenver who certainly do not,

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<v Speaker 2>who could learn a few things.

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<v Speaker 3>So thank you for explaining that.

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<v Speaker 10>Bet, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. That was the Sheriff Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>Rhems from welld County, well known to listeners of this show,

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<v Speaker 2>and well known around Colorado for his strong stand on

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<v Speaker 2>the side of protecting victims, protecting communities, and putting criminals

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<v Speaker 2>where they belong. I think, you know, there's just so

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<v Speaker 2>many issues when we talk about Colorado's designation as a

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<v Speaker 2>sanctuary state and Denvers as a sanctuary city, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is just one of the illustrated issues that you lack

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<v Speaker 2>that cooperation between law enforcement agencies that.

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<v Speaker 3>They want to have.

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<v Speaker 2>But then the state comes in the middle of it,

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<v Speaker 2>the liberals and the legislature, who most of them have

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<v Speaker 2>never ever ever worked in law enforcement a day in

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<v Speaker 2>their lives, and yet they think they're suddenly the experts

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<v Speaker 2>standing in between law enforcement one law enforcement agency and

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<v Speaker 2>another one.

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<v Speaker 3>And just because they're on the federal level, and oh.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Mike, take someone out of the country after they

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<v Speaker 2>commit a crime, we shouldn't cooperate with them. It's extremely

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<v Speaker 2>arbitrary standard and one that doesn't keep us safer. Many

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<v Speaker 2>of these laws combined, when you combine all the anti victim,

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<v Speaker 2>anti safety, so called criminal justice laws that have been

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<v Speaker 2>passed in Colorado, particularly since twenty nineteen, some before that,

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<v Speaker 2>and many after that, it is no wonder that, according

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<v Speaker 2>to US News and World Report, Colorado is the third

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<v Speaker 2>most dangerous state in the nation. I know Governor Poulis

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<v Speaker 2>loves to stand up at every State of the State

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<v Speaker 2>address and say, oh, we're going to become one of

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<v Speaker 2>the top ten most safe states in the nation, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's no movement towards that from the legislature at all.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, it continues to get worse. I'm Christy Burton Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>You're on the Dan Kapli Show. When we come back

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of the next hour, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to State Representative Jarvis Caldwell, who has been leading

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<v Speaker 2>the charge at the legislature to put criminals where they belong,

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<v Speaker 2>have real charges against them, and protect victims. He's getting

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<v Speaker 2>no help from those who control the legislature. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>specifically going to talk about the Democrats trying to eliminate

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<v Speaker 2>first degree attempted murder charges. It's absolutely crazy. You've got

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<v Speaker 2>to hear it. Stay here on the Dan Kapla Show.