Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's news radio Madison.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. My name is Dan Ray.
Speaker 3: I'm the host of Nightside, back after a three nights off.
Speaker 3: Actually want to thank Gary Tangway, who is kind of
Speaker 3: enough to sit in for me this week Monday, Tuesday
Speaker 3: and Wednesday, which allowed me to spend a little family
Speaker 3: time away from the microphone, which is always a little bittersweet.
Speaker 3: I like the microphone, but I like the family too.
Speaker 3: So we'll well, I'm back and I will tell you
Speaker 3: that you are listening to somewhat of a historic program tonight.
Speaker 3: This is my four thousandth edition of Nightside since I
Speaker 3: was sure well, thank you very much, Digital studio audience
Speaker 3: appreciate that very much. So we have a very special
Speaker 3: guest coming up at nine o'clock tonight, Josh Kraft, who
Speaker 3: has just announced his campaign for mayor here in Boston.
Speaker 3: He'll be challenging the incumbent mayor.
Speaker 4: Wu and a little bit later on tonight aty ten o'clock,
Speaker 4: going to talk about this trial balloon that President Trump
Speaker 4: has floated, question about whether or not, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: he's a little bit out.
Speaker 2: Over his ski.
Speaker 3: He's talking about the US going in and basic taking
Speaker 3: possession of the guys a strip. We'll get to all
Speaker 3: of that, but first we have four really interesting guests,
Speaker 3: and two of whom are going to deal with the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, which is this well about seventy two hours
Speaker 3: from now.
Speaker 2: They'll be playing Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Speaker 3: It's coming at us like a freight train with us.
Speaker 3: As Jack wicktor Jack is USA Today's resident consumer travel reporter.
Speaker 3: A little bit of a oxymoronic comment, Resident consumer travel reporter,
Speaker 3: you shouldn't be a resident. You should be traveling all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 5: Hi, Zach Hoyer, Hey, I'm good. Thanks and congrats on
Speaker 5: four thousand episodes. That's a big milestone.
Speaker 3: It's a lot. It's about eighteen years. We're in the
Speaker 3: middle of eighteen years. I did thirty one years in
Speaker 3: TV here in Boston at WBCTV, and now have tacked
Speaker 3: on about eighteen years and who knows, maybe another couple
Speaker 3: of years as well. But we want to talk about
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. So, first of all, Consumer Travel Reporter,
Speaker 3: that's great. Give us a little bit of information about
Speaker 3: your beat, because once we have folks on the program,
Speaker 3: I know many of our listeners like to follow them.
Speaker 3: What is the beat like, you do more than just
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, I'm sure, because that is only a
Speaker 3: once a year event.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah. So, as my title suggests, I cover travel
Speaker 5: pretty broadly, and I'm actually really lucky. We have a
Speaker 5: great travel team at USA today. I'm one of four
Speaker 5: travel reporters, and we really look at all kinds of
Speaker 5: things about the industry and how they affect the regular traveler.
Speaker 5: My primary focus is aviation, which obviously for a number
Speaker 5: of reasons, has been kind of top of the news
Speaker 5: cycle recently. Sadly, but yeah, yeah, sadly, definitely. But we're
Speaker 5: here to talk about the Super Bowl, and we also
Speaker 5: all myself and all of my colleagues cover you know,
Speaker 5: vacations and trends in the industry and kind of everything
Speaker 5: the traveler needs to know. So I'm happy to talk
Speaker 5: about the Super Bowl and in the future about other
Speaker 5: travel topics.
Speaker 2: Is absolutely well.
Speaker 3: You know, we used to think of it as the
Speaker 3: the the annual postseason appearance of the Patriots, but for
Speaker 3: the last few years it hasn't quite worked out that way.
Speaker 3: I've had the privilege of attending two Super Bowls as
Speaker 3: a fan. Didn't didn't work them it didn't work them.
Speaker 3: But there First of all, there's still some cheap flights
Speaker 3: in hotels. There may be people who listening tonight anywhere
Speaker 3: in the thirty or so states thirty eight states that
Speaker 3: hear our voice, some of which are a lot closer
Speaker 3: to New Orleans than perhaps people would realize. If someone
Speaker 3: happens to come into possession of a couple of tickets out,
Speaker 3: it's going to be an arm of the lake to
Speaker 3: get to. You know, it's obviously at seventy two hours
Speaker 3: before the game. But what what advice would you have
Speaker 3: someone The people who are already booked and on their way,
Speaker 3: they don't need your advice.
Speaker 2: But if all of a.
Speaker 3: Sudden someone called one of my listeners and said, hey,
Speaker 3: I got two tickets to the Super Bowl. I can't
Speaker 3: get there for whatever reason. They're yours if you want them.
Speaker 3: What what's the advice you give? Last minute flights and
Speaker 3: hotel arrangements. How you got the ticket, someone's got the tickets.
Speaker 2: How do you think?
Speaker 3: First you got a panic for a little while. Then
Speaker 3: once you calm down, what do you do?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I guess, like say or prayer over
Speaker 5: your credit card or something. Because to be perfectly honest
Speaker 5: with you and your listeners. This close into departure for flights,
Speaker 5: and this close into booking around a major event for hotels,
Speaker 5: you're going to be pretty hard pressed to find a deal.
Speaker 5: That said, there are ways that you can at least
Speaker 5: be sure that you're getting the best deal possible. If
Speaker 5: you use a tool like Google Flights or Expedia, which
Speaker 5: has some price prediction tools built in, it'll at least
Speaker 5: show you how fares compare in terms of the flights
Speaker 5: available and kind of in terms of historical trends. Again,
Speaker 5: when you're booking just a couple of days before departure,
Speaker 5: that is typically when flights are the most expensive. But
Speaker 5: if you can be a little flexible about your itinerary,
Speaker 5: you know, if you're willing to take that early morning
Speaker 5: flight to New Orleans, or you're willing to have a
Speaker 5: layover somewhere that may be a little inconvenient, you may
Speaker 5: be able to find a better deal that way. And
Speaker 5: similar with hotels, the hotels that are closest to the
Speaker 5: stadium are probably going to be the ones that are
Speaker 5: most expensive or the least likely to have availability. So
Speaker 5: if you're looking for a deal on your lodging. You're
Speaker 5: going to want to look in the surrounding area, kind
Speaker 5: of the suburbs and the exurbs of New Orleans, and.
Speaker 2: Zach, I'm thinking Mississippi.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, it's possible. Yeah, out in fly Dell
Speaker 5: or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean if you got if you got
Speaker 3: the tickets, that's that.
Speaker 2: That is for sure.
Speaker 3: Obviously security is going to be heightened there as a
Speaker 3: result of what happened the morning of New Year's when
Speaker 3: you know, fifteen people died in that horrific attack for
Speaker 3: which we have no understanding why or reasons, a terrorist
Speaker 3: attack on Bourbon Street.
Speaker 2: But New Orleans is a fun city. Uh, it's you know,
Speaker 2: they say it never sleeps.
Speaker 3: In New York City never sleeps.
Speaker 2: Neither does No Orleans fall.
Speaker 5: So, uh, that's absolutely right.
Speaker 2: Have you been to a Super Bowl before, Zach.
Speaker 5: Or No, I have not. But actually, the nice thing
Speaker 5: about USA today specifically, and I have to do a
Speaker 5: little plug here, is even if you can't make it
Speaker 5: to the big Game, which I can't make it this year,
Speaker 5: we have a way that you can still sort of
Speaker 5: participate and feel like you're part of the community and
Speaker 5: part of the action. You know, one of the biggest
Speaker 5: to try options to watching the Super Bowl from home,
Speaker 5: obviously beyond the game itself, is the commercials, And so
Speaker 5: if you want to take part in that and feel
Speaker 5: like you're part of the community, you can register at
Speaker 5: admeter dot USA today dot com and voting is open
Speaker 5: And this is one of the biggest polls to register
Speaker 5: which commercials people like to see the most during the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl and the winner of our Super Bowl the
Speaker 5: ad super Bowl is going to be posted Monday after
Speaker 5: the game, and registration is open if you want to
Speaker 5: be a voter, So if you can't make it down
Speaker 5: to New Orleans, you can still participate and feel like
Speaker 5: you're part of the community around the game.
Speaker 3: Now, do you folks have previews at USA Today on
Speaker 3: that website of the ads or do people have to
Speaker 3: watch and sit there and take notes eagleide during the
Speaker 3: run up to the game and during the game?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you know, it's going to be best
Speaker 5: to like watch the commercials during the game. That's when
Speaker 5: you're going to kind of get the best part of
Speaker 5: the experience by watching it during the game.
Speaker 3: That yeah, all right, Well again, I love the well,
Speaker 3: you know what I love about not going to Super
Speaker 3: Bowl having gone to two is when I watch you
Speaker 3: go home, I can get a beer. I don't have
Speaker 3: to wear a wine and I figured out that the
Speaker 3: beers cost about a buck. Okay, the Super Bowl they're
Speaker 3: like twenty bucks of beer, you know, and for some
Speaker 3: reason they don't taste this question anyway.
Speaker 5: Hey, look, that's true, and you know, I do want
Speaker 5: to just make one quick correction to what I just said.
Speaker 5: You can actually definitely watch the ads on our website
Speaker 5: at ad meter dot USA today dot com. But I
Speaker 5: think for the better experience to really feel like you're
Speaker 5: getting that communal spirit is to watch it during the game.
Speaker 2: Ad Meter at USA Today. Is that the deal is.
Speaker 5: That admeter dot USA Today.
Speaker 3: Dot com, dot USA Today dot com. Okay, great, we'll
Speaker 3: get it right. No one will ever be able to
Speaker 3: beat the Clydesdale ad. So I mean, I have a
Speaker 3: friend of mine who worked on that ad, just a
Speaker 3: fellow named Brian Sweeney. It's in a brilliant, brilliant ad.
Speaker 2: Zach enjoyed it very much. Hope to have you back.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, thank you so much again. Really appreciate you
Speaker 5: having me on and congrast some more time on four
Speaker 5: thousand shows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much. And by the way, I
Speaker 3: do love USA Today whenever I am on the road
Speaker 3: and also when i'm home. But when I'm on the road,
Speaker 3: particularly when there's a USA Today in the hotel, it
Speaker 3: makes you feel like you're at home.
Speaker 2: So keep on keeping on, Okay, appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, thank you.
Speaker 2: Welcome.
Speaker 3: We get back on to talk about a mere more
Speaker 3: philosophical subject. Is American democracy working for all Americans? A
Speaker 3: new national survey will evaluate how Americans perceive an experienced
Speaker 3: democracy for the next hundred years.
Speaker 2: If I'm reading this properly, I believe i am.
Speaker 3: We talk with Brad Rourke, who's the chief external affairs
Speaker 3: officer of a group called the Kettering Foundation. Back on
Speaker 3: night's side. This is a Monday night. This is not
Speaker 3: a Monday night for me, but a Thursday night for you.
Speaker 3: February sixth, the anniversary, the forty seventh anniversary of the
Speaker 3: Blizzard of seventy eight. We should probably talk about that
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit tonight as well. I remember that
Speaker 3: storm really well, and probably some of you do as well.
Speaker 3: We'll get back to a more conversation here and again
Speaker 3: Josh Kraft candidate for mayor coming up at nine oh
Speaker 3: five tonight on Nightside. Back right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back.
Speaker 3: We are talking this segment with Brad Rourke, and the
Speaker 3: big question is is America is American democracy working?
Speaker 2: Brad? Welcome to night Said, how.
Speaker 6: Are you, Dan?
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me here.
Speaker 2: So tell us about your foundations called the Kettering Foundation.
Speaker 7: Tell us a little bit Thereah, yeah, absolutely where the
Speaker 7: I work for the Charles F. Kettering Foundation. Where a nonprofit,
Speaker 7: nonpartisan operating foundation. We're based in Dayton, Ohio, but we
Speaker 7: also have offices in Washington, d C. We're partnering with
Speaker 7: Gallup to do a new survey that we're calling the
Speaker 7: Democracy for All Projects. And I'm really happy to be
Speaker 7: talking about that with you.
Speaker 2: So it sounds somewhat amorphous to me. Can you make
Speaker 2: it a little bit?
Speaker 3: You know, when I Richard Charles Keering Foundation, I was
Speaker 3: wondering if it was related to the Sloan Kettering Cancer Center,
Speaker 3: but obviously not.
Speaker 2: Is it the same family by any chance at all?
Speaker 7: It is where we were founded by Charles F. Kettering,
Speaker 7: who was an inventor in Dayton in the early nineteen hundreds, invented,
Speaker 7: among other things, the electric car starter, which went on
Speaker 7: to power the entire automobile industry. So if you drove
Speaker 7: to work, you have Charles F.
Speaker 3: Kettering to think, Okay, so that's what you I just
Speaker 3: wanted to make that connection.
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure and they didn't want to ask it.
Speaker 2: But I'm glad we made it.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I guess Sloan is now going to do
Speaker 3: for the next hundred years an annual survey is that?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Gallup is we were We were parted with Gallup, which
Speaker 7: is you know, no no one, no one does surveys better.
Speaker 7: And what we're focusing on is, you know, as as
Speaker 7: you and everybody knows, Americans trust and uh feeling about
Speaker 7: institutions right now, it's at an all time low. It's
Speaker 7: been going down, down, down for for decades and decades
Speaker 7: and decades, and so so America's Americans feel that like
Speaker 7: democracy is not working for them, but there's disagreement about
Speaker 7: why they feel that way and and what that means
Speaker 7: to them. And so this Democracy for All project is
Speaker 7: trying to get at understanding with more detail and more
Speaker 7: nuanced how it is that Americans are experiencing the democracy
Speaker 7: that we all share and what goes into these feelings
Speaker 7: that they have. And we'll do it on a yearly
Speaker 7: basis so that we can have an ongoing understanding of
Speaker 7: how people feel and more importantly, why they feel that way.
Speaker 3: As someone who has been around for a while, just
Speaker 3: to qualify myself, I worked for many years as a
Speaker 3: television reporter here in Boston at the CBS affiliate, and
Speaker 3: I've been doing a talk show for eighteen years. I
Speaker 3: first got excited about government when I had a really
Speaker 3: good Civics teacher in the ninth grade named mister Daugherty
Speaker 3: at Boston Latin School in the nineteen sixties. Okay, now
Speaker 3: I've aged myself dated myself for you, but I don't
Speaker 3: think the average American understands because Civics is no longer
Speaker 3: taught in high schools most high schools across America. They
Speaker 3: don't even understand what democracy means or how this government
Speaker 3: is supposed to work. The concept of checks and balances
Speaker 3: and things like that. I've looked at this graph that
Speaker 3: I believe Gallup has, which was in one of your
Speaker 3: stories that talked about how they from nineteen eighty four
Speaker 3: to I guess nineteen ninety one, but sixty percent of
Speaker 3: the people in the country were satisfied with democracy. It
Speaker 3: plummeted in nineteen ninety two around the time of the
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton election when George Bush was turned out of office,
Speaker 3: came back a little bit under Clinton, stayed pretty well
Speaker 3: under Clinton, and since two thousand has been on a
Speaker 3: downward trajectory to where it hit rock bottom in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four.
Speaker 2: You're familiar with.
Speaker 3: The graph, and I'm just trying to say, yes, I am.
Speaker 2: I could put a graph over that which would be
Speaker 2: the arrival.
Speaker 3: Of social media in this country. And I think that
Speaker 3: most young people have no concept. And I know I'm
Speaker 3: going to sound like a you know, get off my
Speaker 3: law on Clint Eastwood type guy here, but I think
Speaker 3: there's no coincidence that the dissatisfaction with democracy results from
Speaker 3: the fact that people don't understand it, and the reason
Speaker 3: they don't understand that it's not taught in schools, and
Speaker 3: people find themselves in these silos, these philosophical silos liberal conservative,
Speaker 3: right wing, left wing, Democrat, Republican on social media. So
Speaker 3: I'm thrilled that big theory at you tell me why
Speaker 3: I'm wrong.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you're wrong when you're right. I mean,
Speaker 7: you may well have a good point at about a
Speaker 7: piece of it. But it's also true that you know,
Speaker 7: you can you can probably lay a lot of different
Speaker 7: graphs over that one graph and and get a lot
Speaker 7: of other similar correlations as well. So it's probably fair
Speaker 7: to say that that, yes, the fragmentation of media and
Speaker 7: social media may have something to do with that, but
Speaker 7: also there might be other factors that work as well.
Speaker 7: And what we're really trying to do with this work
Speaker 7: and by really trying to ask a different set of
Speaker 7: questions about how it is that people's daily lives affect
Speaker 7: the way they see their government and institutions around them,
Speaker 7: that we're trying to like recreate that connection that your
Speaker 7: old Civics teacher had, which was which was figuring out
Speaker 7: ways in which people's you know, daily lives and everyday
Speaker 7: experience goes into how it is they feel about about
Speaker 7: the society and which they live. So we're trying to
Speaker 7: get past these sort of textbook definitions which are not incorrect,
Speaker 7: but trying to get past the traditional textbook definitions of
Speaker 7: democracy which has been evolving on the planet for hundreds
Speaker 7: of years, and get at today and moving forward, how
Speaker 7: it is that people are experiencing it, and how it
Speaker 7: is they're experiencing there, you know, the struggles and opportunities
Speaker 7: that they're facing in their community with the people around them.
Speaker 3: Right in a country of three hundred and thirty million
Speaker 3: or so people, I'm sure that there's a myriad of viewpoints.
Speaker 3: You said that, I kin't think of another graph that
Speaker 3: I could overlay this because your graph, the company graph,
Speaker 3: runs from nineteen eighty four when there was very little
Speaker 3: social media, to today when we're all overwhelmed by it.
Speaker 3: I just see this. I mean, to me, this graft
Speaker 3: is really clear. Do you think that civics? I'll ask
Speaker 3: you the question, Brad, do you think that there should
Speaker 3: be an effort in this country to teach civics. I'm
Speaker 3: just talking about, you know, the rules of the road,
Speaker 3: what a democracy, Our democracy is about. There are other
Speaker 3: democracies in you know, ancient Greek rece which are a
Speaker 3: little different than ours. But if you don't understand the
Speaker 3: democracy in which you live and which you're blessed to live,
Speaker 3: how can you possibly appreciate it if you don't understand it.
Speaker 7: I think us as you point out that, you know
Speaker 7: what what the experts might call civic knowledge is also
Speaker 7: you know, at an all time low, people need to
Speaker 7: know how it is the system works, and also they
Speaker 7: need to know how it affects them in their daily lives.
Speaker 7: I keep going back to that, but I think it's
Speaker 7: important that you know. It's one thing to say, oh,
Speaker 7: the you know, the how how it is I feel
Speaker 7: about the you know, the institution of Congress or the
Speaker 7: Supreme Court is you know, and and how that all
Speaker 7: works and how a bill becomes a lot that is
Speaker 7: super important. Don't mean to diminish that in any way.
Speaker 7: But it's also important to know that, you know, we
Speaker 7: in our neighborhood, on our block or in our town,
Speaker 7: are we together make up democracy? And so when we
Speaker 7: solve problems together, and and and and you know, I'm
Speaker 7: faced with a challenge and my neighbors come to my aid,
Speaker 7: that's democracy too. And I've got to we want to
Speaker 7: see if there's a way that we can see if
Speaker 7: people understand and see how it is that daily life
Speaker 7: can add up to democracy. Not to diminish anything about
Speaker 7: about the structures that go into it, which are which
Speaker 7: are critically important, and and the civic knowledge that people have.
Speaker 7: But there's another another aspect to it, and it's one
Speaker 7: that we think has been.
Speaker 3: Oh, throw one more rejoinder at you, that I'll let
Speaker 3: you go, and that is that. Yeah, I think what
Speaker 3: you described as accurate. Many people today live in America.
Speaker 3: They don't know who lives next door to them, they
Speaker 3: don't know who lives in the in the building with them.
Speaker 8: And I think part of that is the amount of
Speaker 8: time we're all spending on social media that we don't
Speaker 8: have time to We do not make time to interact
Speaker 8: with our neighbors and find out that the lady that lives.
Speaker 2: Up the street lives in a wheelchair and she might.
Speaker 3: Need some help to to cut her a long, to
Speaker 3: cut her lawn, and to shovel her sidewalk. So anyway,
Speaker 3: you and I could do an hour on this, We
Speaker 3: could go on the road and could we could have
Speaker 3: a pretty good conversation about this, because.
Speaker 7: I dan I'd love to. I hope that's an invitation.
Speaker 2: Well have you back?
Speaker 3: I mean that's seriously, I really mean that the place
Speaker 3: that I'm coming from is.
Speaker 2: Deeply felt, deeply felt. And I look at this and
Speaker 2: I think this is a hugely huge.
Speaker 3: Project, and I commend you and the Kettering Foundation and
Speaker 3: Gallop for partnering in this one. But I just think
Speaker 3: that until we bring civics back to every high school student,
Speaker 3: every junior high school student across America and make that
Speaker 3: an important part of our public education system, which was
Speaker 3: founded by Horace Mann here in Massachusetts, we're doomed to
Speaker 3: an ignorant populace about the way the way the system
Speaker 3: under which you live functions and operates. I just I firmly,
Speaker 3: so firmly believe it. I know I've been an antagonistic host,
Speaker 3: and for that I apologize, Brad, but you more than
Speaker 3: held your own.
Speaker 2: But I'd love to have you back for a.
Speaker 7: Longer, Count Dan, Dan, I'd love to be back. This
Speaker 7: was a piece of cake. I've really enjoyed talking to you.
Speaker 7: Let me tell your viewers we're going to be releasing
Speaker 7: the results of the survey in the fall. They can
Speaker 7: learn more by going to gallop dot com Flash Democracy.
Speaker 7: And I really hope that we'll continue this dialogue.
Speaker 3: I will, I'll have my producer get in touch with
Speaker 3: you folks, and maybe we'll do a longer version. We
Speaker 3: do hours with with you know, phone calls with our
Speaker 3: guests as well. This segment is intended to be a
Speaker 3: briefer ten or eight or nine or ten minute exposition,
Speaker 3: and you just happen to catch me on something I
Speaker 3: feel really strongly about. Thanks Brad, appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much, Dan appreciate it.
Speaker 2: So okay, good night, get back.
Speaker 3: We will pick up one other topic and this is
Speaker 3: very important, just as democracy is, and that is food safety.
Speaker 3: At your super Bowl get together this weekend, we're going
Speaker 3: to talk with the USDA food safety expert.
Speaker 1: You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks Madison. We are continuing with our eight
Speaker 3: o'clock Nightside news update, and of course one of the
Speaker 3: big news stories this weekend, perhaps the biggest story will
Speaker 3: be the Super Bowl and many of us will be
Speaker 3: having Super Bowl get together with our get togethers with
Speaker 3: our family and friends. And joining us now is jesse Garcia.
Speaker 3: He's a usa DA United States Department of Agriculture food
Speaker 3: Safety expert. Jesse Garcia. Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 5: Good evening, Dan, how are.
Speaker 2: You, sir, hope everything's well with you.
Speaker 6: I'm doing everybody.
Speaker 9: We're very busy, I'll bet you.
Speaker 2: I bet you are.
Speaker 3: This is a big, big, big weekend forget togethers and
Speaker 3: Super Bowl parties, and of course everybody's going to be
Speaker 3: bringing their favorite dishes or whatever. But but this is
Speaker 3: a big problem food born illnesses, and you're going to
Speaker 3: tell us how to, if not eliminate them, at least
Speaker 3: minimize for food born illnesses.
Speaker 2: What tips do you have, Jesse, Yes, sir.
Speaker 9: The USKA reminds party hosts to keep those pizzas, hamburgers,
Speaker 9: and chicken wings out of the danger zone this Sunday.
Speaker 9: Avoid keeping perishable food out for more than two hours
Speaker 9: without heating or cooling sources. Remember, perishable food that stays
Speaker 9: out for too long at room temperature allows back to
Speaker 9: here to quickly multiply two unhealthy levels. So here's some tips.
Speaker 9: If you want to keep your food out from four
Speaker 9: hours or longer, make sure to have cold and heating
Speaker 9: sources available on that buffday table. Cold foods like dairy
Speaker 9: based dips and daily meat dishes. They should be placed
Speaker 9: on top of bowls of ice to keep them chilled
Speaker 9: at forty degrees are below. Hot items like pizza, chicken, wings,
Speaker 9: and chili should be kept heated in warming trays, flow cookers,
Speaker 9: and shaping dishes at one hundred forty degrees or more. Well, yeah,
Speaker 9: we have an alternative.
Speaker 2: Yeah before you, let me just jump in.
Speaker 3: When you talk about pizza, I mean, if you gotta
Speaker 3: have pizza, you want to make sure pizza is nice
Speaker 3: and warm as far as I'm concerned. I mean, you
Speaker 3: grab a piece of pizza and it's ice cold, it's
Speaker 3: not nearly as good to eat. So does that aspect
Speaker 3: I interrupted? Did Jesse go ahead? You had a few
Speaker 3: more points, go.
Speaker 9: Ahead, Yes, we have an alternative. If you don't have
Speaker 9: all those nice uh things to keep hot or stuff cold,
Speaker 9: we have an alternative called the half time rule, which
Speaker 9: means bring out the first set of portions that kickoff
Speaker 9: and during the time show, bring up the second string
Speaker 9: of your bussey for the remainder of the game. By
Speaker 9: bringing food out in stages, this allows you to have
Speaker 9: food out for less than two hours. So split those
Speaker 9: portions into two and bring them out at different times
Speaker 9: of the game.
Speaker 3: Those that's a very practical suggestion because you put out
Speaker 3: a huge spread and if half of it remains there.
Speaker 3: You know, it could become an every second half sometimes
Speaker 3: happens at super Bowl games. Uh yeah, that's that's that's
Speaker 3: really a great idea when when you really think, when
Speaker 3: you think about it. I had there been any studies
Speaker 3: done jesse on. We know that that people tend to
Speaker 3: call in sick on Super Bowl Monday, the day after
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, but we assume that probably has to
Speaker 3: do maybe with things like alcohol consumption or wine, beer,
Speaker 3: et cetera. Has there been any study done on how
Speaker 3: many people end up with, you know, problems from food
Speaker 3: born illnesses.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get a.
Speaker 3: New descriptive here, jessup, but I think people know exactly
Speaker 3: what we're talking about. What is there is there an
Speaker 3: increase in food born illness problems on Saturday, Sunday evening
Speaker 3: or Monday morning.
Speaker 9: There haven't been any studies, but I want to remind
Speaker 9: folks that food born illness is no joke. What we
Speaker 9: normally call food poisoning. It mirrors sometimes flu symptoms. They
Speaker 9: don't actually hit you quickly. They might wait a day
Speaker 9: or two, or it might happen sudden. You never know
Speaker 9: that their diarrhea, nausea, headache, fever so it hits you,
Speaker 9: and then if it hits you severely, you need to
Speaker 9: go see a doctor as soon as possible. The CDC
Speaker 9: estimates that forty eight million people get sick each year
Speaker 9: with food born illness, and unfortunately, one hundred and twenty
Speaker 9: eight thousand are hospitalized and three thousand people actually die
Speaker 9: from groutborn. He'll just it's put born and illnesses in
Speaker 9: the United States. So it's no joke. Let's wash our
Speaker 9: hands before and after we touch raw meat and poultry.
Speaker 9: Let's cook those items that we're cooking to the safe
Speaker 9: internal temperatures. And let me share those temperatures with you
Speaker 9: right now. Either you're cooking meat, whole beef, pork, or lamb,
Speaker 9: it has to cook to one hundred and forty five
Speaker 9: degrees fahrenheit. Any type of ground meats like sausages, hot dogs,
Speaker 9: and hamburgers sliders, they have to cook to one hundred
Speaker 9: and sixty and any type of poultry, whether it be turkey,
Speaker 9: burger or chicken wings, you have to cook them to
Speaker 9: a hundred and sixty five degrees. And if you're going
Speaker 9: to be reheating anything that's already been cooked, like you
Speaker 9: said that pizza that that delivered and you have to
Speaker 9: put it away because your guests are not there, and
Speaker 9: when you're ready to reheat it, make sure you reheat
Speaker 9: to one hundred and sixty five. So it's a lot
Speaker 9: of having to deal with a lot of dishes, especially
Speaker 9: during Super Bowl when everybody brings their own dishes. So
Speaker 9: make sure that you have your Futo marmeter available, your
Speaker 9: seeding sources and cooling sources, and try to have a
Speaker 9: good pardon.
Speaker 2: You kind of have a game plan.
Speaker 3: Just like the Kansas City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles
Speaker 3: have to have a game plan. You have to have
Speaker 3: a game plan, particular if you're hosting. Anyway, Jesse, appreciate
Speaker 3: the thoroughness of your presentation. You gave us a lot
Speaker 3: of information. I hope everybody at least grabbed a little
Speaker 3: bit of it. And everybody has a great Saturday, or
Speaker 3: rather Sunday afternoon and evening, and may the best team win.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Jesse, appreciate your time.
Speaker 9: Thank you, have a good night.
Speaker 2: You're very welcome. We get back.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about a love story. It's an
Speaker 3: interesting love story. We're going to talk with the former
Speaker 3: governor Marty Schreiber, former governor of Wisconsin, whose wife passed
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago suffering from Alzheimer's and his
Speaker 3: book is My two Elane's Learning, Coping and Surviving as
Speaker 3: an Alzheimer's caregiver. And I think that says it all.
Speaker 3: Looking forward to talking with Governor Marty Schreiber, former governor
Speaker 3: of the state of Wisconsin, and what he and his
Speaker 3: wife went through together right after this break.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios. I' WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: I am delighted to welcome to Nightside the former governor
Speaker 3: of Wisconsin, Marty Schreiber. He's an author Alzheimer's caretaker of
Speaker 3: his wife Elaine. Governor Schreiber, welcome to Nightside, sir.
Speaker 6: How are you well, Dan, Good evening too, and what
Speaker 6: an honor for me to be with you. Thank you
Speaker 6: so very very much.
Speaker 2: Well, this may not be the first time we were together. Come.
Speaker 3: You were governor of Wisconsin in the summer of nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy nine.
Speaker 6: Correct, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: Did you attend the Governor's conference that summer in Louisville, Kentucky.
Speaker 2: I did, I'll be I was there as a reporter.
Speaker 3: We met at the time, but Ed King was the
Speaker 3: governor of Massachusetts at the time, and I remember his
Speaker 3: first his first Governor's conference, and we went down to Louisville, Kentucky.
Speaker 3: It was first time ever had a chance to meet
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 3: I just looked it up and I saw you became
Speaker 3: governor in nineteen seventy nineteen seventy seven when Pat Lucy resigned,
Speaker 3: I believe to run as John Anderson's running mate.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, first, he's right. He spent some time as
Speaker 6: ambassador of the Mexico and then he resigned that position
Speaker 6: to run as vice president with John Anderson.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, you're right. I forgot about the ambassadorship to Mexico.
Speaker 3: So let's talk about your wonderful wife Lane. I haven't
Speaker 3: read the book, but I've read the excerpts of the book,
Speaker 3: and this is a real love story, Governor, and I
Speaker 3: got to tell you, having seen you know the ravages
Speaker 3: of Alzheimer's, my hat's off to you, sir, for how
Speaker 3: much you cared for your wife, who is now pasted sadly.
Speaker 3: But boy, when you promised you know till death do
Speaker 3: your part, you kept that promise, Governor, and I just
Speaker 3: on behalf of a lot of people, men and women.
Speaker 3: Thank you for that courage, and tell us about the
Speaker 3: book My Two Elanes, Learning, Coping and Surviving is an
Speaker 3: Alzheimer's caregiver.
Speaker 6: Yes, well, thank you first of all. So the book
Speaker 6: My Two Elaines really tells the whole story. And the
Speaker 6: first Elaine is this wonderful girl I met when I
Speaker 6: was a freshman in high school and fell in love
Speaker 6: with right away. And four children and thirteen grandchildren now
Speaker 6: nine great grandchildren, my friend, my advisor, and my companion,
Speaker 6: everything that you would ever want in a life's partner. Everything.
Speaker 6: The second Elaine began to appear when the first Elane
Speaker 6: was sixty three years old, and it was certainly the
Speaker 6: same body in the beginning, the same person, but that
Speaker 6: person back then as second Elaine, began to get lost
Speaker 6: going to and from places she had been going to
Speaker 6: and from for ten years. She was a great cook
Speaker 6: and sometimes would mess up recipes so badly that she
Speaker 6: would cry. She would come up with stories that just
Speaker 6: never occurred. So that was a second Elane. And what
Speaker 6: I found over the period of almost twenty years of
Speaker 6: being her caregiver. I found that if there was one
Speaker 6: thing worse than Alzheimer's DAN, it's ignorance of the disease
Speaker 6: and ignorance of the disease by the medical profession and
Speaker 6: others who don't understand that when there is a diagnosis
Speaker 6: of Alzheimer's, there are two patients, a person who was
Speaker 6: ill and the caregiver. A caregiver has a forty percent
Speaker 6: chance of dying before their loved one because of stress
Speaker 6: related illness. A caregiver has a sixty percent higher death
Speaker 6: rate than non caregivers because of the very emotional, strong
Speaker 6: toll that this disease takes from the caregiver as they
Speaker 6: see their loved one pass away a little bit every day,
Speaker 6: and as they try and cope with the frustration and
Speaker 6: the anger and the grieving. And so I wrote the
Speaker 6: book because I wanted to try and help people on
Speaker 6: their journey.
Speaker 2: Govin how long has the book been out? Is this
Speaker 2: some relatively recently published?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 6: I self published the book back maybe around twenty thirteen,
Speaker 6: and then Hyper Publishing picked up the book about three
Speaker 6: years ago because they felt it was so important nationwide
Speaker 6: that they felt that that book should should should have
Speaker 6: a nationwide audience. And so that my two wayl ange
Speaker 6: with Harper's has been out, as I said, about three years.
Speaker 6: And what the feedback that I get from the book
Speaker 6: is just such gratitude because what I try to do
Speaker 6: in the book is point out to think things I
Speaker 6: should have known, things that could have done better, And
Speaker 6: people have told me that it has helped them so
Speaker 6: much on their journey as they were trying to take
Speaker 6: care of their loved one well governor.
Speaker 3: The thing that to me is interesting is that I
Speaker 3: don't think that anyone can understand the amount of stress
Speaker 3: pressures demians that are put upon a caregiver until they
Speaker 3: become a caregiver. I've never been a caregiver in that circumstance,
Speaker 3: but I've had friends and family who have found themselves
Speaker 3: in that circumstance. And even while that's going on, it's
Speaker 3: difficult for the non caregiver to even begin to appreciate
Speaker 3: what the caregiver is dealing with. And I mean that
Speaker 3: honestly when I say caregivers like you and others, we
Speaker 3: have to become more supportive of people who find themselves
Speaker 3: in that situation. You know, in the latter years of
Speaker 3: a relationship and when someone like you stays as loyal
Speaker 3: and as supportive, you know to your lifelong partner, this
Speaker 3: has to be a special place that happened for both
Speaker 3: of you. And I mean that from the bottom of
Speaker 3: my heart. Well, thank you.
Speaker 6: It's tough, and my heart goes out to every caregiver
Speaker 6: and in talking to caregivers to try and have them
Speaker 6: understand that to go for help is a sign of courage.
Speaker 6: To ask for help means you're not giving up, and
Speaker 6: many caregivers just want to do it by themselves. They
Speaker 6: don't want to ask for help. Or what happens is
Speaker 6: they start off as a loving spouse, caring, loving and
Speaker 6: they morphed into a caregiver, but they don't know that
Speaker 6: they're morphing into a caregiver, and because of that, they're
Speaker 6: not aware of the grieving that they're going through. They
Speaker 6: are getting angry and upset because their loved one is
Speaker 6: doing silly, crazy things that they told them not to
Speaker 6: do for twenty different times, and all that anxiety builds up,
Speaker 6: and then the guilt steps in because here I love
Speaker 6: this person and I'm getting angry with them, and now
Speaker 6: there's guilt associated with it, and so it keeps on
Speaker 6: mounting and mounting. So caregivers please understand that if you
Speaker 6: love your one who is ill, and if you love
Speaker 6: your children and grandchildren, you've got to take care of
Speaker 6: yourself because your loved one once and here this disease
Speaker 6: twenty years ago could not be cured or prevented. Today,
Speaker 6: as we talk on February sixth, it cannot not be
Speaker 6: cured or prevented. So that's a dismal a forecast. But
Speaker 6: what we can do is make the determination to help
Speaker 6: our loved one live their best life possible. And how
Speaker 6: do we do that by joining their world but also
Speaker 6: making sure that the caregiver lives their best life possible
Speaker 6: because if they don't, there court could be useless to
Speaker 6: the one they love the most.
Speaker 3: Governor Marty Schriber, thank you for your inspiration, thank you
Speaker 3: for your courage, thank you for your honesty. The book
Speaker 3: My Two Elanes Learning Coping and Surviving as an Alzheimer's
Speaker 3: care Caregiver is available. I assume correct me if I'm
Speaker 3: wrong through Amazon bookstores. I assume Amazon is always the
Speaker 3: easiest place.
Speaker 2: To find a book. My Tools.
Speaker 6: Alzheimer's Caregiver, Yes, Alzheimer I mean, Amazon is good. We
Speaker 6: have a website my two elanes dot com, and your
Speaker 6: your audience may want to take look at that, just
Speaker 6: to give a further insight. And I stress so much
Speaker 6: the importance of letting go of the person who once
Speaker 6: was so you can now embrace the person who now
Speaker 6: is difficult.
Speaker 3: So well, I said, Governor Shiverer, Thank you so much
Speaker 3: for your service to the people of Wisconsin and to
Speaker 3: the to the to the love that you showed both
Speaker 3: of your lanes. Thanks again, Governor. I hope to meet
Speaker 3: you someday.
Speaker 6: Dan, thank you very much. I'm grateful for the opportunity
Speaker 6: to visit with you.
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks again. We will hopefully talk again when we
Speaker 3: come back. We're going to talk with Mayoral aspirin Josh
Speaker 3: Kraft to be taking your phone calls as well. Again,
Speaker 3: feel free to join the conversation. I'll speak with him
Speaker 3: for probably a couple of segments and introduce him to you,
Speaker 3: and then we'll open up those phone lines. My name
Speaker 3: is Dan Ray, and this is the four thousandth edition
Speaker 3: of Night Side