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it's more like a big ball of wibby wobbly thymy
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Speaker 1: You're listening to Paranormal UK Radio. Good evening, everybody. Welcome
to the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show here
on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. I'm your solo host tonight,
Mark Johnson. Irene had every intention of joining us tonight.
Unfortunately she's under the weather with a bad tooth. So
we're going to get her on next time, I promise,
even if I have to fly over there and tire
to her microphone. But anyway, we're really excited to be back.
I know we haven't had a show in about almost
three months. We both were going through a lot of
medical issues at the time, and it just it was
just kind of a nightmare. But thankfully I'm all better.
She's mostly better. But now we're starting back up for
twenty twenty five and I'm already booking guests into the
next couple of months, so hopefully we're going to get
right back in the saddle and just move forward. I'm
also going to mention we've been posting online some of
the other things that we're working on. Irene and I
are working on a book together talking about our paranormal
experiences over the years, and hopefully that will get done
and come out a little bit later this year, and
we might have a couple of other ventures too, so
we'll see what happens. But anyway, thank you all for
tuning in and helping us get back off the ground
here in twenty twenty five. So let's get to our
guest tonight. I'm talking with Joscelyn Prosser, and she has
written a book called Soul Divining an Intuitional Journey, So
she wants in the book she shares some of her
personal experiences in order to help raise awareness of this
much undervalued sense. So Jocelyn, welcome to the program.
Speaker 2: Hi, nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: Oh it's great having you on. And so tell us
a little bit about yourself and how you got to
write this book.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I'm going to explain that I
was born in Canada. That's the first thing my my
my parents. My mum was Welsh and my my dad
was French, So that was the first thing. So the
first couple of years of my life, you know, I
lived in Canada, but then I came back over my
mum and dad split up and my mom brought me
to Wales, and so my mom was quite unstable. She
had quite an unstable mind, you know, itizophremia, and she
had a progressive heart condition. So I lived with my mom.
My mom was a fabulous artist as well, so you know,
so that's a background really to you know, like a
single parent sort of upbringing. But I was a really
sensitive child. I felt deep connections with people who were
sad animals, you know, I was a very sensitive child.
So basically, when I was seven, I had a dream
and this dream sort of involved two friends that I
had who were living quite a distance apart. So I
would either play with one child, you know, this friend
or there I would play with the other one on
another day, but they never mixed together because they were
living quite a distance away. But in my dream, I
dreamt that they'd gone away for the day on a trip,
and and I've been left out. So it's quite a
quit a you know, I don't know, a little bit disconcerting.
I was, as I said, seven at the time. And
that day I went to call one friend she'd gone out,
and then I went to call the other friend and
she had gone out, and it turned out they had
gone to Long Lead on a trip together. And so
that to me, it was my first premonition dream. And
you know, I don't know, at a seven year old,
you can't really understand what's going on. It's not something
I paid a lot of attention to, really, But as
I got older, I started to have other premonition dreams.
When I got my best friend Kathy, she's less sensitive
than me, you know, she's more grounded person than what
I am. I just dreamt that she. I dreamt in
the dream that I was in a hospital. I was
on a hospital bed and I was being or trolley
being rushed to theater, but it wasn't me, it was cafe.
So I had this dream and I was really unnerved
by it. I think it was thirteen at the time,
and I rung her dad. When I got up, I
rung her dad and I just said, it's kaf. When
I wrung her dad, her dad answered, actually run the number,
and he said that she'd been rushed to hospital that
evening and she had something called tausion and a burst appendix.
So I sort of buried this for many years. But
as I got older and there were other experiences like
major experience life or death experiences, I started to have seizures.
That was about I think it was about thirteen years ago.
I was diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy and I had
actually been referred to a hospital in Cardiff, the heath
Is the University of Wales Hospital to see a new
raw psychologist, and that was to have a series of
tests to see if the seizures, because I was having
quite a lot of them had affected my cognitive attention,
my memory, you know, and all of those things. And
I just sat in the room. I'd never met this
person before and I just had this experience with her,
and it was quite bizarre really, because my husband was
alongside me, and I felt, it's sounds crazy. I felt
like she was connected to a house myself was buying
in neath. So I mean, you've got card, if you've
got Meath. It's quite a way away from each other.
But I felt there was a connection there and it
was ridiculous, you know. I said to my husband, I
just said to her, I said, my husband, my son
is buying a house in Creathon Road in Meath. And
she stopped writing and she said to me, why why
would you say that? Why why did you just say that?
And I said, I don't know really, and then I
said to my husband, I said who. I've got to
be careful because I can't say the person's name. Can
I live on air? But I said who, What is
the name of the lady that my son is buying.
I would say, son is buying house of and he
said the name and the new or clinical psychologist had
actually lived with this person for seven years. So I
received a report about two months later, and in the report,
she's very you know, she breaks down all the different
tasks I did, so I was very high scorer in
the visual but other things to attention very low. I
mean I scored one percent in one. But she described
me as highly intuitive. So that was the one thing
that stood out in the report was that she, like
a doctor, had described me as highly intuitive. So I
asked her delater, what did she mean by that? What
you know? What?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: How could the medical profession acknowledge there was such thing
as intuition? And her answer was quite simple, really, she
said that they acknowledge that there is such thing as intuition,
but they don't know how it works.
Speaker 1: And I mean a couple well, not the interrupted, I apologize, No,
it's fine. There are a couple of different definitions of intuition,
if you what you're talking about is what I'm interested in,
what will go with tonight? But I also want to
acknowledge that there are people who have an intuition. Let's
say someone's interviewing someone else for a job or whatnot,
and your your mind can pick up on body language, yes,
how the person is responding, whether or not, and you
could start to tell about their character what I've just
because you're very perceptive, yes, so some intuition is like that,
just being very perceptive of your environment around other people
and then there's this other type of intuition that just
comes into the brain and you sometimes question where it's
coming from.
Speaker 2: Yes, you absolutely do you do. And I think, like
I suppose people could. I mean, there've been so many instances,
you know, which are like obviously in my book. And
it actually took I out of a heart procedure in
the same hospital a number of years later, and the
day I went into surgery, the team, the surgical team
were around me and they'd read my notes and they'd
actually read that I was intuitive, and somebody said you're psychic,
and I was like, oh is this. I don't know
what that's come thru in that psychic And I said, well,
I'm intuitive. And then they all asked me to just
tell them a story about an intuitive experience. And I've
got quite a lot to you know, to call on,
which are all completely true. When I said this one
story we say about my daughter, they'll be like, you
have to write a book. And it was at that
point when somebody said that in the theater, I thought,
you know what, I think I will write a book.
And that really is how it was born.
Speaker 1: Yes, so, but why when somebody said you were psychic?
Speaker 5: I I don't like it when people suddenly they hear
a little bit of something and slap a label on it. Yes,
I do not claim at all to be psychic, No,
but I am intuitive.
Speaker 1: I do tarot readings. I've had my own intuition of things,
of dreams, precog premonition dreams. I had premonition dream about
nine to eleven two days before it happened. Yes, but
at the time it was so simi embolic. It wasn't
like I was watching an actual event. There was just
things that happened in the dream. It was all symbolism,
and I didn't even remember it or recognize it till
nine to eleven later that night. It just hit me
out of the blue, like, oh my god, I dreamed this.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and I understand that. And for me, some
dreams that I have that are our premonition dreams are literal,
so they literally it's like watching a piece of film
and then see it being reenacted a while later. Whereas
other dreams, like there's one I mentioned in my book
that I had in France, was definitely metaphoric. You know,
there was a salver, there was a beating heart, there
was blood everywhere. You know, and that was definitely metaphoric.
You know, I had a dream, like one of my dreams,
a very strong dream this well regarding so, my daughter
has a very rare genetic condition called triple thiodystrophy, and
I think there are eight people in the UK with it.
I think they've only studied one hundred and thirty hundred
and forty since the nineteen fifties. She's extremely small, she's elfin,
you know, she's very you know, she wears age seven
clothes and she is parliative at the moment. You know,
she's not very well, but she's lived an incredibly long
life for somebody with this condition. You know, the life
expectancy of somebody with this condition is about between four
and six years of age. And Amy is she'd be
forty one this May, and she's yeah, under Guy's Thomas
Hospital and they are absolutely blown away that she's you know,
but I've had a number of premonition dreams about Amy
and there was one particular dream and this was the
one I chose to tell the you know, the theater staff.
Was that Amy had had to go in for hip surgery,
hip resurfacing, and the other one that she'd had and
was not very successful. But I trusted this surgeon and
he was very nice. He was a very nice man,
very competent, and she went ahead and she had it done.
So the morning of the operation, she came out of theater.
She was comfortable, she was fine. The operation had gone
very well, and the surgeon was really happy with the outcome.
So they brought Amy into the adult world and I
put in a small room by the nurses station, and
my husband and I we discussed about what we were
going to do for the next couple of hours. We
were living far away from the hospital, so we decided
to go home, have some food, and then we'd leave
Amy sleep it off, and then you know, we'd visit
her later on that day. We drove home, I put
the key in the front door, and I was absolutely
I was filled with this dread, this complete dread. I've
never felt that feeling. It was just unbelievable. And Darren
hadn't even got out of the car, and I said,
we need to go back right now. And to be
honest with you, he was a bit I want you
swore a bit, you know, he was hungry, wanted his
folds and everything, and he said why did you need
to go back? You know she's fine, She's absolutely fine,
And I said, no, we need to go back now.
I can't remember that journey. I don't know if any
any of the listeners have ever had a fear or
dread of something and they're in a car where they
do not remember that journey. That's all they just filled,
don't You don't see anything else, You just filled with dread.
So you get from Aby without even remembering how we
got there and Down as a wheelchair because Down had
an industrial accident many years before, and I just abandoned him.
I just left the wheelchair in the boat to the
car and I ran into the hospital. I got onto
the floor as she was. I literally ran into the
ward and I ran into the room and I sat down,
and she was sleeping, and I just watched her. In
the whole of my being was telling me there was
something so wrong, so wrong. So I started to watch
her breathing, and there was this huge pause in the breath.
So she take a breath, and it seemed like eternity,
an absolute eternity. I called the nurse and I said,
could you just get a doctor here right now? Because
I'm very worried about my daughter. I feel like there's
something very, very wrong. She literally tried just to put
me off. She was in the end. I did get
very angry and I said, you need to get some
deal now. So doctor came and a woman came. She
had a palette, and all of a sudden, again I
can't remember, it was just a wash. Amy was sitting
up and she had this foil around her, like a
sheet of foil, and she was shivering, and she clearly
was in shock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: The woman with a palette came over to me and
she said to me, if you had been twenty minutes later,
it would have been too late. It would have been
too late. And she said, Amy's actually odeed on morphine.
So basically what it happened was Amy was three and
a half stone in weight. I don't know what that
is in pound, but she, you know, she wears age
sent twenty seven pounds.
Speaker 1: I think, what is it nine pounds or fourteen pounds?
Speaker 2: I forget Okay, So they had gone and given a
full adult doors of morphine without making allowance for body weight.
So she had this buzzer thing, this button thing, and
they said to Amy, if you're in pain. Just keep
pressing the button and it'll just and she'd completely flooded
their body with morphine.
Speaker 1: See, those buttons are supposed to be on timers that
you can only do so much and then it cuts
you off so that you don't accidentally od. So it's
interesting that they didn't have that set up.
Speaker 2: It is well, I didn't even know that actually, So
that is interesting mm hmm. But that is I relive
that a lot when I sleep, I sleep, I relive
that a lot. It's almost like there's like I don't know,
I can't get out of it because that you, you know,
you I get a lot of dreams where you sort
of know you're trying to rush to get somewhere. I
think I think I was left with some trauma actually,
But yes, So that to me is I feel like
a lot of intuition. You know, people say, well, can
you tell me the lottery numbers or that. That isn't
what intuition is for. It's about protection. I think it's
about sort of looking after people, and it's there for
a purpose to sense danger as a means of protection.
Speaker 1: I think, well, I'm totally feel that we all have
these abilities to one extent or another. Some people are
a lot like Irene, are a lot more tuned in
than say, someone like me. However, as a species, I
feel a long time ago this all used to be
front and center, and it's been programmed out of us,
and we've been kind of dumbed down and we're not
in touch with our inner voices and our intuition. Sometimes
that you're to get your attention could be you know,
guides trying to give you attention. But uh, if we're
programmed since excuse me as since we're young to like,
if something like that happens, it's people blow you off.
They think, oh, that's nothing. My mother I used to
hear someone calling my name and I thought it was
my mother, and I'd go in and ask her, what
do you want? She goes, I didn't call you. And
I go, well, I heard you. She goes, ah, it's
just your imagination. That was her. That was her response
to everything. And the older I got, the more strange
things got. A lot of these are being the book
that I mentioned that Irene and I are writing, we're
talking about a lot of these types of experiences. But
when we talk about intuition people, that's like your gut
feeling sometimes and it's not necessarily dreams per se, but yes,
you're something inside of you knew what was happening and
was screaming for you turn around and go back. That's
like some people who I mentioned nine to eleven earlier,
people at the last minute decided either not to go
into work that day in New York or to bore
the airplanes. There are stories of people who just got
a bad feeling and they didn't go. And we're taught
to ignore that, you know, we're conditioned to ignore that
in this society because everything is material in our current society.
Speaker 2: I think I think we're taught to decision make on logic.
I think I think that's the problem right there, is
we make decisions on how things look, not how things feel.
And I think that if you go, you know, the
book illustrates when you go, when you go against your gut,
that's where things go wrong.
Speaker 1: Been they're done. That got the T shirt? Yeah, yeah,
you we all we all have it. And I look
at things from a much different perspective these days. Because
I'm a very spiritual person. I understand how things are
like we're here in the physical during this lifetime. But
there's other aspects of it that are higher above us
by women, you know, the higher self or the collective consciousness.
And time is also a big issue too, because you
get the feeling or you get you get a dream
of a premonition or precognitive something is going to happen,
And the question comes up a lot, Well, how can
you predict the future? Is the is the future like
Set in Stone?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: And we got to get out of the linear thinking
because all time is happening at once. Every possible decision
you make, permutation, lifetimes, whatever, it's all happening at once.
So sometimes you're just tuned into that. You're you're tuned
into it even though linear in our linear existence, it
has happened.
Speaker 2: Yet Yeah, yeah, Well I had an interesting conversation with
I don't know who you're of, this author Julia moss Bridge.
So familiar, Okay, So she's she's American and she's written
some best selling books. And when I spoke to her,
I mean I conducted her because again it was interesting.
So she's a new raw scientist, and yet she believes
that we carry intuition and she is a theory about that.
So her theory. It was quite interesting, really, was that
when we sleep, the mind is able to time travel
forward and come back. So and when we started to speak,
it was quite and can that she had had so
she I don't know how old she is now. I
think she would be in her fifties maybe, And like
she was explaining that she had her first premonition dream
when she was seven, and her premonition dream was that
the house corfire, the house confere and you know, she
didn't really take a lot of notice, but this particular
night is probably within three days. She just walked outside
her house late at night, and she just stood and
she looked at the house, and she could see the
smoke billowing out from the basement. And since then she's
kept a dream journal. And I wonder sometimes I never
kept a dream journal. I should do, really, because I
have most incredible dreams. But I just wondered that as
a theory as well. But I think you're right. I
think time is not linear. I think time is as
you said, it's I don't know, I don't know. I
think it's layered, and as you said, everything could be
happening all at once.
Speaker 1: See, we only perceive time as linear because that's how
our brains work. Yes, we always look at beginning, middle,
and end. Everything is linear. We talk about past lives, well,
you know those past lives are probably happening right now.
We're only aware of this one because of the gray
matter we have up here. Yes, but yeah, it's the
more you start to look into it, the wilder it gets,
you know, getting down to the basics again, it's just
listening and paying attention, which your mind is telling you
what your body is telling you, your feelings of dread,
that fight or flight response, that something is seriously wrong. Yes,
so often people will blow it off and it's like
it's my imagination, like my mother, But you know it's
people take the time to listen. Excuse me a little
choked up tonight, take the time to listen to themselves,
listen to your body, pay attention, and don't just blow
it off. And you'd be surprised at you know how
and tuned in. You could be.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely absolutely. I mean my health experiences alone are
just incredible. You know, I've you know, I will go
to great data because there's so much to talk about you,
but you know, I have actually looked at a box
of tablets instead of thought, oh my gosh, I mustn't
take those, and you know, like two months down the line,
so glad I didn't because I mean that you know
that there's there are several stories like that. I mean, my, my,
My journey through the NHS has been quite incredible because
I've had to how can I say, fight to get
the right diagnoses. I've got to fight for the right medications.
So I mean, there was there was one instance, I
mean where I've been diagnosed this medication for the epilepsy,
and it was the first medication. I mean, I take
medication now, not a problem. I never questioned this medication,
but the first one I thought, oh my gosh, I
don't think I can take this. So I examined the
box one day and it just said on the side
of the box, if you have narrow angles or narrow
angle local was that, do not take this medication. I
had no idea what that was. But all I know
was I kept on having seizures and I was afraid
to take this medication, and I thought, it's an eye problem.
So I'm going to see an I specialist. I went
to my GP, and my GP said, yeah, but are
you having problems with your eyes. And I said no,
so why don't you take the medication, because I said,
my guest is tell me not take them. And he
said to me, but it's a bit ridiculous to refer
you if you've not been diagnosed with this condition. But
I said, look now, I'm prepared to pay to see
this consultant and I'm asking you, as a health professional,
to refer me. And that was it. So I put
up a fight. It was very stressful. So I went
to see this ophthalmologist and I just gave him the
box and I said to him, okay, there it is there.
You tell me if I can take these. That's all
I want, because something is telling me I must. I
should not take them. I'm not saying I've got that.
I don't know what that is, but there's a feeling.
And examine my eyes. And he had what they call
a slit lump and it was a bit like a
sudden dial I suppose measuring the depth between the pupil
and the iris chambers and yeah, christ chamber. So anyway,
I sat back down and he said to me, well,
he said, you have got the condition. And I said okay,
and he said, and you're so lucky you did not
take these. And I said, right, what would have happened
if I had taken them? And he said, you would
have gone completely blind on the fourth or fifth day permanently.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I said to him, are you serious? And
he said, I am serious. And he said, and what
I'm going to do is I'm going to do a
procedure called an irodotomy in my clinic where they laser
a hole into the iris at twelve o'clock. And if
you ever took a medication it contains so for somebody
with this condition, dilation drops a dangerous that could be
an emergency, medical emergency. I don't know if you've got
limbs it over there in the States, but it's like
a flu treatment, night nurse is a medicine. All of
these things can cause narrow anglical al coma or closure. Sorry,
So what happens the iris pushes into the people and
becomes distorted and you just go blind. It is a
medical emergency. And he said when he started work, you
would see one person blended permanently a month through halving
that condition and not know when they had it. So
there are many things. There are many things like that.
You know that.
Speaker 1: Do you ever get a chance to go back to
that GP and tell him I was right?
Speaker 2: Yes? Good, absolutely, absolutely, because.
Speaker 1: I hate when doctors blow you off and think that
you're a hypochondriac or there's you know, there's something wrong
with you up here. Yes, they don't, and they don't
take it seriously when you have questions or concerns and
it's not his job or any doctor's job to tell
you no, don't go see a specialist. It's like, look,
I feel they need to so refer me or I'll
go find somebody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is what they based on. Logic again,
logic and.
Speaker 1: Logic and pushing pharmaceuticals that have a lot of side effects.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I totally agree, I totally yeah. Yeah, yea.
Speaker 1: So fascinating, fascinating. What other stories would you be able
to share?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the book, there's a crossover in the
book where I sort of talk about so I talk
about intuition, but they're also profound experiences which have molded
me a bit, and you know my I suppose have
enhanced my spirituality. I'm not always spiritual. I can shout
to traffic wardens and want to take people's shins off
when they walk in front of my trolley. You know,
I'm not not I'm quite earth bound on times. But
but the book talks about that. You know, we have
a lot of experiences. You're at our home of lights,
and so there's a crossover where, you know, we talk
about intuition, but also I feel like there's a presence.
When you said you mentioned earlier about an angel guide
or that type of thing, I don't know how I
would call it. I would call it call it energy.
I haven't really got a name for it. But you know,
but I think that the idea that we can with
our minds, so if we can so if we can
pull out conditions in ourselves and other people, and we
can feel this, and we can have empathy with people
that we've never ever met before and we feel sadness
in them or we you know, and as you say
that you can see micro I suppose body gestures if
you are an EmPATH. But if you put all that
in the pot, then why can't we sort of have
a contact with the universal energy? And the book became
more real for me after something that happened to me,
you know, like regarding Amy, my daughter again. So basically
it was Mother's Day. It was in two thousand and seventeen.
I think my book came out on twenty eighteen, but
it was twenty and seventeen. It was Mother's Day and
mother on Sunday. And I felt really melancholy because my
mom died when I was eleven, and I lost my
grandmother in two thousands. My grandmother was amazing and she
brought me up. But I was thinking about two months
on that particular day, and one of them was somebody
that's living nearby. Her daughter had call non cancer, which
is associated with eight year olds, and this young lady
was seventeen at the time, so she was having a
huge operation done up in London on that day. And
there was a little boy like who had Amy's condition,
who was in hospital, and he had been in hospital
for three months and his only childhood was looking at
a screen above, watching Mickey Mouse and things. And I
felt this sort of anger in me. I felt this
real anger in me, And at twelve o'clock that night,
I went out the garden. It wasn't meant to be
twelve o'clock, but it just happened to be twelve o'clock.
And I took a cup of coffee with me. I
just stood in the center of my garden. It's really small,
be backing on the woods there, and I just sent
this anger and out into the universe, and I asked, why,
why are these things happening to these beautiful people today?
Why are these beautiful people so ill? Why are they?
And within seconds, I had this sort of feeling. It
was like I was goose peoples my knees. I had
this surge. It was a surge, and I've got ghosts
was thinking about it now, and I felt very comforted.
I couldn't explain why. I couldn't explain what that feeling was,
but something I felt i'd come to me and bought
me some sort of peace. No logical explanation, but inner peace.
So I went to bed that night and I slept
quite well. I checked in on these people, not these people,
these beautiful people the following day and things were okay.
And the following night I went to bed and that
was probably well. I don't know how to describe it. Really,
I leave other people, you know, the listeners make up
their own mind about it. But I woke up about
two o'clock in the morning and with a little show hour.
And this little sho had a nasal problem, and she'd
sleep on the bed and she would she'd garg a
bit during the night because of this problem. We'd taken
her to Crystal. We'd spend thousands of pounds to try
and find out what was wrong. We never did. But
a little bit of minooka honey in the middle of
the night, she lit the boon, and this stuff discharged
would come out and she'd live a bit of peaceful
an hour or two. Well, I woke up and I
saw them in ooka honey on the window sill. No spoon,
So I thought, oh lazy, I have together and go
and get a spoon. So I went to the kitchen,
I got the spoon. I came back in and when
I was walking around the bed. We have no blinds
on our window at all, I could see this beam
of light coming down into the garden and I thought, oh, okay,
it's a police helicopter. We've got a secure unit not
too far away. I thought, somebody's escaped. You always getting
a bit paramoid, you know, the windows and doors and things.
And when I looked, we've got French doors here, This tool,
very large doors. There was all this blue lightning coming
out of the ground, like this core gold blue which
I had.
Speaker 1: Seen coming out of the ground, out.
Speaker 2: Of the ground its slabbed over there. And I seen
this blue light coming up the oak tree on and
off for years. Did it just flash? And I said
to Darren, did you just see that that blue light?
And he said no, no, it would always be no.
But there so there was this whole chaotic light show
of light lightning coming out of the ground. And this
beam of light was palisating. It was sort of like
a corn large, small, large, small. And I looked up
and there was an overhang of an oak tree, so
you couldn't see into the sky because this oakchestrey was
hanging over and I thought, hang on a minute, there's
no sound. This absolutely and then at that moment I thought,
oh my god, what is this? What is this? And
the corn light went retracted, and then there were these
smaller lights in a column going around in a circle,
a double set of lights going around in a circle.
I grabbed hold of Darren and it just went, all
of it just went, so it.
Speaker 1: Was only meant for you to see.
Speaker 2: It was incredible. It was absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: I find that to be incredibly fascinating. Some people could
probably jump to the UFO say, oh, there's a UFO
up there beaming things down. Sometimes I don't think it's
quite that simple, because there are things happening on multiple planes, yes,
and things, And if you do you believe in the
other entities or spirits, guides whatever that are working with us.
There's some things that just come into our world. In fact,
that's one of the things I want to write with
this book, is examining our concepts of reality, what our
illusion is and what's really going on, and which is
I feel reality is far a stranger and beyond our
comprehension currently. Then people realize, yes, yeah, I wish I
wish Irene was here because she's had experiences like that
seeing lights or shadows. Well, she has three ghosts in
her house. Uh. I went out there and just over
a year ago to visit, and I had a couple
of my own experiences while I was there. Yeah, I
have something where my body tells me when there is
a strong spiritual energy nearby. And I was laying in
bed in her guest room and I I have sleep apness.
I have to use a ceapap man and I like
no light, so I cover with a mask and I'm
lying there and I'm not asleep yet, and all of
a sudden, I just felt this presence and my body
is telling me I learned to read these signals. My
heart was racing a bit, got the goose bumps, and
you just felt the energy. It wasn't a bad feeling.
It was just somebody came into the room and checked
me out. Now what's strange about that is I didn't
take a peek to see if anything was there. I
just laid there and accepted what was happening. And after
a while it went away and I fell asleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also was living in a house when I first
moved to New Jersey from Los Angeles twenty five years ago.
The house I was staying in had a lot of activity,
and some nights I'd wake up with sleep paralysis. That's
the only time was in that house I've ever experienced that.
And when I had the sleep paralysis, I would feel
this intense energy. Yes, and sometimes it would get more
intense at times, and yet whenever it ended, instead of
jumping up freaking out like you think some people were,
I just go right back to sleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you accept it. You don't fight with it,
you just accept. I get that, you know. I've walked
into the buildings. I've had a profound experience in a
house in Putole, but which is not far from here,
and I felt like the house had died actually when
there was such a huge sadness. It was so sad.
I was actually going for therapy myself. I was going
there for alternative therapy.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And in the end I had to tell the person
I couldn't come there anymore because of the presence there.
And I just asked them, it has something really awful
happened here, and they said yes, and it was regarding
a child and it was an accident, and it's almost
like it was frozen in time. But the more I
was going there, the more I was just picking up
on this, and I didn't feel like I was, you know,
refreshed where I was coming from that. I felt the opposite.
And the strange thing was, I mean, I saw that
person who was very nice, a very nice person many
years later, and she said, there's something that happened there
and it was lifted, you know, it became lifted, but
it was Yeah, I've gone into I have gone in places.
It doesn't happen all the time, you know. I don't
go around looking for things. It just does happen. But
like you said, there you were lying in bed and
you knew there was a presence there. You didn't have
to look at it. You don't because you don't need
evidence because you know and you accept that, so you
know you. I think that is one of the other
things as well, is if you're open and we accept
there are so many things we've don't understand, then the
more it happens in a way, it's almost like it
reveals itself to you because you're chosen in a way,
and you are you chosen I don't know. Maybe you're
chosen from a young age to be an EmPATH. I
don't know. Or it's something it develops. I can't quite
work that out.
Speaker 1: I think it's something you're born with, but it also
could be developed too if people live more in acceptance
and not dismiss things. Yes, when you live in denial,
that stifles can stifle abilities. I know people who are
incredibly intuitive, I would even say psychic, and it scares
them and they don't want to do anything about it.
I had a friend years ago she had passed away.
She had cancer, but before she got bad, she came
over to our house and we were talking, and at
the time, we were living upstairs from my wife's parents.
This is back during the real estate crash of two
thousand and eight, and she suddenly starts talking strange and
doing acting strange, and it turns out she was tapping
into her grandparents, my wife's grandparents, who used to live
there and aren't there anymore, but then was tapping into
them and could tell that they were there. And it
was incredible to watch her work. But yet she was
also one of those that just didn't really pursue it.
Speaker 2: Wow, shame, isn't it that as a shame?
Speaker 1: She was very strong, she could have she could have
done a lot with it. But I think, you know, again,
it's scared some people, or you get Irene has a
son who she says is way more psychic than she is, Chris.
She hates that term anyway, but yeah, he's more stronger
with his intuition and everything, but he's just couldn't be
bothered with it. He just goes about his life and
doing it and he doesn't want paid it any mind
or really want anything to.
Speaker 2: Do with it. That's a shame. But then I supposedly
is intuitive as long as he uses it as a
means for his own like in the campus, as he
lives life, that will be enough, you know, as long
as he benefits from it. But yeah, I suppose that.
You know, when you think about psychic or intuition, and
I don't know if the two meet there somewhere, but
like when I think about myself, So I've had like
experience with objects as well, so that there have been
instances where objects have found people where they were meant
they were meant to go, and that I find that fascinate.
And I mean that's happened quite a lot of times.
Speaker 1: All so psychometry where if you touch her handle an object,
you start getting information on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really, I can't say it is that
it's almost like if something How can I give an example?
So I was working in a charity shop for twenty
four years and there's a wonderful woman working it and
she's been an unpaid man dressa for well for the duration.
You know, she's really the most least materialist person I've
ever come across, and she's just wonderful. And we were
in the salty room one day and there was a
box and everything that looked like it wouldn't sell would
go into the box. So I'm a little bit of
a ferret. I love to go in that box, and
I love to go through things because a I'm an artist,
so I do sort of strange assemblages and I marry
objects together and then sometimes you find things and you think,
what is this? You know it needs a home. So
there was a book, a book in this box, and
she's kept saying to me, I don't know why you're
going through there. We've we've sort of living out it's rubbish.
And she well that just because I'm quite pigheaded, I thought,
I'm just going to go through it. So this book,
I'm holding this book and I open the book and
they're these drawings. Children scrawl. I love kids drawings. You know.
It's if I had to guess, i'd say it was
done by five or six year old. And then I
went to the back and then and then there on
the second page, I will say sooner she knows. So
she is and a dress and she looked at me
as she's said, that is my Bible. I said, that
is my bible. She said, I've not seen that bible
since I was eight or nine. It was her bible.
If anybody wanted to do the work. She's down in
the community shop in Britain, Faerry, you know. And she said,
this is my bible. And I've had so many things.
I mean even I missed out like a bit of
the story where when I was going for that therapy,
that alternative therapy, I had gone to a local antique
shop beneath and I love things that are made by
innocent hands, you know, not I like skilled things, but
I like things that are made by kids and you know,
people just having the goal. So it could be ceramics
or paintings. I love, you know, kids paint and things
like that. And there were some pots outside this charity
charge antique shop, and I bought two of them, and
I brought them home and I've got like an earth
called uniture, and they were sitting on the top of
the earth call unit. And when I started to go
to that house in Botle but this therapy, there were
pots there and they were nothing like the ones I bought.
Absolutely they didn't look they were different. Plays the different color,
different shapes. And I said to the woman, I said, oh,
I bought pots a bit like I did with the nuropsychologists.
I said, I bought pots in Alfred Street in the
antique shop. And she said to me they were my sisters.
So I believe that objects can connect to people. There
is a I've done collages. I mean, one of the
most fascinating things I find about collages. You know what
I do is I like I tip black bin bags
full of gone wrong paintings that I've done, and there's
a mass of them, and then I'll have say, stump
albums or sheet music or like old encyclopedias and things
like that to draw in as well to combine. And
I like abstract art as well. So this particular collage
I was doing, it just happened in the space of
ten minutes. So it was a white piece of paper, rectangular,
and then I cut out this page out of an encyclopedia.
They were like this, like red hotlines. They were just
sort of I don't know what they were, and I
stuck them on and then I went through another encyclopedia
and there was a fabulous head or illustration of this
sort of sentieth seventeenth century male face. I thought that
he's fabulous, so I created almost like a monument. So
his head was on the top and then this block
of these lines were underneath, and I just got a
little bit of black paper.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 2: That's all the picture was, and it just came together.
It just looked fabulous, and I thought, right, I'm going
to look now to see what these who he is
and what this is your So I went back to
the box and I and I looked and they were
heating rods. It was a photograph of heating rods. Okay.
And then I went and I looked to see you
with the was and his name was Sadikano and he
was a heat theorist, and they had found each other.
They'd found each other and and that's what I feel
is like sometimes objects. You know, there was a chat
I knew we used to go to the football And
I don't know if if this is is How can
I say if these were his? But I just got
talked to him one day and he said he was
based out in Hong Kong in the fifties. He was
in the Navy, and before he left he had a
pair of cufflinks made for himself and they were like
a moonstone and they would add carved begolders at the back,
and he said, I was devastated. I went to a
wedding once and he said, I just don't know what
happened to them. I never saw them again. I don't
know if his wife had given the suit of charity
or shirt suit suited given to the charity shop, but
you never saw them again. And the week previous, I
had gone to a local dry cleanness and they were
selling off kufflinks that had come off out in the
machine for a pounds each, and I had bought a
pair of cufflins that were moonstone with a bgold in
the back, and I took them and I gave them
to him. So I don't know, I don't know. I
don't even question the stuff anymore. You just live it,
and you just except that you can draw lines we
cannot see, but we as you just said that, you
can develop a bit more and more where you become
almost like this radar and use it. You can use
it for good purpose, good purpose the Bible, returning our Bible,
Juan was sorry, I was just said in it. It
was probably one of the highlights of my life. To
be honest with you, it really was wow. But yeah,
it's sorry, no go ahead, no, you go ahead. Sorry, Okay,
So I.
Speaker 1: Was just gonna say, we are coming up on the
hour here, but okay, this your stories and what we've
been able to talk about, it just fascinates me. There's
so much to learn from it. There's so much that
if we opened ourselves up. Everything is energy. So it's
a matter of raising your own energy or vibration in
order to meet these things. And if you're open to
things and not denying them, you could develop more. And
again I'm about some not great but but we all
have it. We all have it now. Justin your book
again is called sold Wning an Intuitional Journey. And where
can people find your book?
Speaker 2: They can find it on Amazon. I think it's for
sale in Waitross. I think it's it's it's for sale
in quite a lot of well no, I'm saying a lot.
It isn't a lot, but you know, it is easily available.
But I would if somebody wanted to buy it, I
buy it on Amazon. I think it's on offer at
the moment. So yeah, and it's had good reviews. I
have to say, I, you know, I think what is
this saying everybody should write a book. I'm glad that
I wrote mine, that's for sure, because I've had some
really fabulous contacts from people that I've read it, and
you know, I feel you know, what I think is
important is if somebody listens to this conversation we've had
and maybe in a couple of weeks time, that's what
I've heard of people come in to me and say,
do you know what I've remembered your book? And then
I made this decision just probably based on how I
felt about it, and it was the right decision. I
think we've achieved something mark, you know, even with the
book and listen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So sharing our knowledge and what we've learned and
what helps other people develop too, that's awesome. Yes, yeah, yeah, fantastic.
Well Jocelyn again, thank you so much for coming on
this show, Thank you for having me and everyone, thank
you for tuning in to this first show of twenty
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