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Speaker 1: What's he throughout the impossible or whatever I made? I

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have the improbable most be true.

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Speaker 2: And it is not a question of the libero cultism.

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Speaker 1: What a touch of mysticism is today?

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Speaker 2: It is Empires as a host of them souls.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Pops, thy father, spirit dude for a certain termed

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work the night.

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Speaker 1: Yere the old gods aren't dead? And what is the

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true God when he's dead? You can't complain.

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Speaker 4: People assume the time is a strict progression of cause

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to effect that actually, from a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint,

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it's more like a big ball of wibby wobbly thymy

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wymy stuff.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Paranormal UK Radio. Good evening, everybody. Welcome

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to the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show here

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on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. I'm your solo host tonight,

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Mark Johnson. Irene had every intention of joining us tonight.

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Unfortunately she's under the weather with a bad tooth. So

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we're going to get her on next time, I promise,

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even if I have to fly over there and tire

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to her microphone. But anyway, we're really excited to be back.

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I know we haven't had a show in about almost

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three months. We both were going through a lot of

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medical issues at the time, and it just it was

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just kind of a nightmare. But thankfully I'm all better.

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She's mostly better. But now we're starting back up for

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twenty twenty five and I'm already booking guests into the

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next couple of months, so hopefully we're going to get

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right back in the saddle and just move forward. I'm

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also going to mention we've been posting online some of

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the other things that we're working on. Irene and I

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are working on a book together talking about our paranormal

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experiences over the years, and hopefully that will get done

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and come out a little bit later this year, and

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we might have a couple of other ventures too, so

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we'll see what happens. But anyway, thank you all for

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tuning in and helping us get back off the ground

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here in twenty twenty five. So let's get to our

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guest tonight. I'm talking with Joscelyn Prosser, and she has

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written a book called Soul Divining an Intuitional Journey, So

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she wants in the book she shares some of her

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personal experiences in order to help raise awareness of this

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much undervalued sense. So Jocelyn, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: Hi, nice to meet you.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's great having you on. And so tell us

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a little bit about yourself and how you got to

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write this book.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I'm going to explain that I

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was born in Canada. That's the first thing my my

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my parents. My mum was Welsh and my my dad

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was French, So that was the first thing. So the

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first couple of years of my life, you know, I

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lived in Canada, but then I came back over my

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mum and dad split up and my mom brought me

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to Wales, and so my mom was quite unstable. She

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had quite an unstable mind, you know, itizophremia, and she

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had a progressive heart condition. So I lived with my mom.

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so that's a background really to you know, like a

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single parent sort of upbringing. But I was a really

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sensitive child. I felt deep connections with people who were

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sad animals, you know, I was a very sensitive child.

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and this dream sort of involved two friends that I

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had who were living quite a distance apart. So I

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would either play with one child, you know, this friend

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or there I would play with the other one on

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another day, but they never mixed together because they were

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living quite a distance away. But in my dream, I

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dreamt that they'd gone away for the day on a trip,

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and and I've been left out. So it's quite a

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quit a you know, I don't know, a little bit disconcerting.

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that day I went to call one friend she'd gone out,

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and then I went to call the other friend and

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she had gone out, and it turned out they had

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gone to Long Lead on a trip together. And so

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than me, you know, she's more grounded person than what

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the dream that I was in a hospital. I was

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being rushed to theater, but it wasn't me, it was cafe.

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rung her dad and I just said, it's kaf. When

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evening and she had something called tausion and a burst appendix.

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major experience life or death experiences, I started to have seizures.

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raw psychologist, and that was to have a series of

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tests to see if the seizures, because I was having

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my memory, you know, and all of those things. And

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like she was connected to a house myself was buying

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in neath. So I mean, you've got card, if you've

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got Meath. It's quite a way away from each other.

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was ridiculous, you know. I said to my husband, I

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just said to her, I said, my husband, my son

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is buying a house in Creathon Road in Meath. And

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would you say that? Why why did you just say that?

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said to my husband, I said who. I've got to

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be careful because I can't say the person's name. Can

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I live on air? But I said who, What is

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the name of the lady that my son is buying.

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said the name and the new or clinical psychologist had

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actually lived with this person for seven years. So I

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received a report about two months later, and in the report,

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she's very you know, she breaks down all the different

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tasks I did, so I was very high scorer in

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the visual but other things to attention very low. I

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mean I scored one percent in one. But she described

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me as highly intuitive. So that was the one thing

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that stood out in the report was that she, like

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a doctor, had described me as highly intuitive. So I

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asked her delater, what did she mean by that? What

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as intuition? And her answer was quite simple, really, she

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said that they acknowledge that there is such thing as intuition,

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but they don't know how it works.

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it's fine. There are a couple of different definitions of intuition,

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if you what you're talking about is what I'm interested in,

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what will go with tonight? But I also want to

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acknowledge that there are people who have an intuition. Let's

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say someone's interviewing someone else for a job or whatnot,

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and your your mind can pick up on body language, yes,

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how the person is responding, whether or not, and you

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could start to tell about their character what I've just

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because you're very perceptive, yes, so some intuition is like that,

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just being very perceptive of your environment around other people

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and then there's this other type of intuition that just

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comes into the brain and you sometimes question where it's

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Speaker 2: Yes, you absolutely do you do. And I think, like

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you know, which are like obviously in my book. And

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it actually took I out of a heart procedure in

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the same hospital a number of years later, and the

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day I went into surgery, the team, the surgical team

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were around me and they'd read my notes and they'd

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actually read that I was intuitive, and somebody said you're psychic,

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and I was like, oh is this. I don't know

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what that's come thru in that psychic And I said, well,

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I'm intuitive. And then they all asked me to just

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tell them a story about an intuitive experience. And I've

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got quite a lot to you know, to call on,

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which are all completely true. When I said this one

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story we say about my daughter, they'll be like, you

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have to write a book. And it was at that

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point when somebody said that in the theater, I thought,

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you know what, I think I will write a book.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so, but why when somebody said you were psychic?

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a little bit of something and slap a label on it. Yes,

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I do not claim at all to be psychic, No,

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but I am intuitive.

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Speaker 1: I do tarot readings. I've had my own intuition of things,

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of dreams, precog premonition dreams. I had premonition dream about

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nine to eleven two days before it happened. Yes, but

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at the time it was so simi embolic. It wasn't

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like I was watching an actual event. There was just

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things that happened in the dream. It was all symbolism,

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and I didn't even remember it or recognize it till

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nine to eleven later that night. It just hit me

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out of the blue, like, oh my god, I dreamed this.

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dreams that I have that are our premonition dreams are literal,

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so they literally it's like watching a piece of film

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and then see it being reenacted a while later. Whereas

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other dreams, like there's one I mentioned in my book

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that I had in France, was definitely metaphoric. You know,

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there was a salver, there was a beating heart, there

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was blood everywhere. You know, and that was definitely metaphoric.

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a very strong dream this well regarding so, my daughter

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has a very rare genetic condition called triple thiodystrophy, and

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I think they've only studied one hundred and thirty hundred

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and forty since the nineteen fifties. She's extremely small, she's elfin,

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you know, she's very you know, she wears age seven

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clothes and she is parliative at the moment. You know,

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she's not very well, but she's lived an incredibly long

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life for somebody with this condition. You know, the life

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expectancy of somebody with this condition is about between four

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and six years of age. And Amy is she'd be

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forty one this May, and she's yeah, under Guy's Thomas

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but I've had a number of premonition dreams about Amy

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and there was one particular dream and this was the

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one I chose to tell the you know, the theater staff.

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Was that Amy had had to go in for hip surgery,

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hip resurfacing, and the other one that she'd had and

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was not very successful. But I trusted this surgeon and

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he was very nice. He was a very nice man,

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very competent, and she went ahead and she had it done.

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very well, and the surgeon was really happy with the outcome.

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my husband and I we discussed about what we were

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going to do for the next couple of hours. We

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were living far away from the hospital, so we decided

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to go home, have some food, and then we'd leave

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her later on that day. We drove home, I put

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never felt that feeling. It was just unbelievable. And Darren

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hadn't even got out of the car, and I said,

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swore a bit, you know, he was hungry, wanted his

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folds and everything, and he said why did you need

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to go back? You know she's fine, She's absolutely fine,

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I can't remember that journey. I don't know if any

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any of the listeners have ever had a fear or

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dread of something and they're in a car where they

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do not remember that journey. That's all they just filled,

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don't You don't see anything else, You just filled with dread.

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So you get from Aby without even remembering how we

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got there and Down as a wheelchair because Down had

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an industrial accident many years before, and I just abandoned him.

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I just left the wheelchair in the boat to the

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car and I ran into the hospital. I got onto

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the floor as she was. I literally ran into the

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ward and I ran into the room and I sat down,

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and she was sleeping, and I just watched her. In

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the whole of my being was telling me there was

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something so wrong, so wrong. So I started to watch

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her breathing, and there was this huge pause in the breath.

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an absolute eternity. I called the nurse and I said,

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could you just get a doctor here right now? Because

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I'm very worried about my daughter. I feel like there's

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something very, very wrong. She literally tried just to put

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me off. She was in the end. I did get

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very angry and I said, you need to get some

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deal now. So doctor came and a woman came. She

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had a palette, and all of a sudden, again I

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can't remember, it was just a wash. Amy was sitting

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up and she had this foil around her, like a

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sheet of foil, and she was shivering, and she clearly

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was in shock.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And.

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she said to me, if you had been twenty minutes later,

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it would have been too late. It would have been

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too late. And she said, Amy's actually odeed on morphine.

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So basically what it happened was Amy was three and

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a half stone in weight. I don't know what that

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is in pound, but she, you know, she wears age

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sent twenty seven pounds.

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Speaker 1: I think, what is it nine pounds or fourteen pounds?

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full adult doors of morphine without making allowance for body weight.

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they said to Amy, if you're in pain. Just keep

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pressing the button and it'll just and she'd completely flooded

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their body with morphine.

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Speaker 1: See, those buttons are supposed to be on timers that

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you can only do so much and then it cuts

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you off so that you don't accidentally od. So it's

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interesting that they didn't have that set up.

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Speaker 2: It is well, I didn't even know that actually, So

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that is interesting mm hmm. But that is I relive

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that a lot when I sleep, I sleep, I relive

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that a lot. It's almost like there's like I don't know,

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I can't get out of it because that you, you know,

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you I get a lot of dreams where you sort

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of know you're trying to rush to get somewhere. I

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think I think I was left with some trauma actually,

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a lot of intuition. You know, people say, well, can

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you tell me the lottery numbers or that. That isn't

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what intuition is for. It's about protection. I think it's

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about sort of looking after people, and it's there for

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a purpose to sense danger as a means of protection.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, I'm totally feel that we all have

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these abilities to one extent or another. Some people are

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a lot like Irene, are a lot more tuned in

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than say, someone like me. However, as a species, I

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feel a long time ago this all used to be

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front and center, and it's been programmed out of us,

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and we've been kind of dumbed down and we're not

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in touch with our inner voices and our intuition. Sometimes

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that you're to get your attention could be you know,

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guides trying to give you attention. But uh, if we're

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programmed since excuse me as since we're young to like,

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if something like that happens, it's people blow you off.

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They think, oh, that's nothing. My mother I used to

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hear someone calling my name and I thought it was

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my mother, and I'd go in and ask her, what

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do you want? She goes, I didn't call you. And

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I go, well, I heard you. She goes, ah, it's

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just your imagination. That was her. That was her response

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to everything. And the older I got, the more strange

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things got. A lot of these are being the book

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that I mentioned that Irene and I are writing, we're

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talking about a lot of these types of experiences. But

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when we talk about intuition people, that's like your gut

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feeling sometimes and it's not necessarily dreams per se, but yes,

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you're something inside of you knew what was happening and

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was screaming for you turn around and go back. That's

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like some people who I mentioned nine to eleven earlier,

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people at the last minute decided either not to go

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into work that day in New York or to bore

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the airplanes. There are stories of people who just got

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a bad feeling and they didn't go. And we're taught

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to ignore that, you know, we're conditioned to ignore that

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in this society because everything is material in our current society.

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Speaker 2: I think I think we're taught to decision make on logic.

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I think I think that's the problem right there, is

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we make decisions on how things look, not how things feel.

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And I think that if you go, you know, the

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book illustrates when you go, when you go against your gut,

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that's where things go wrong.

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Speaker 1: Been they're done. That got the T shirt? Yeah, yeah,

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you we all we all have it. And I look

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at things from a much different perspective these days. Because

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I'm a very spiritual person. I understand how things are

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like we're here in the physical during this lifetime. But

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there's other aspects of it that are higher above us

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by women, you know, the higher self or the collective consciousness.

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And time is also a big issue too, because you

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get the feeling or you get you get a dream

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of a premonition or precognitive something is going to happen,

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And the question comes up a lot, Well, how can

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you predict the future? Is the is the future like

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Set in Stone?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: And we got to get out of the linear thinking

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because all time is happening at once. Every possible decision

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you make, permutation, lifetimes, whatever, it's all happening at once.

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So sometimes you're just tuned into that. You're you're tuned

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into it even though linear in our linear existence, it

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has happened.

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Speaker 2: Yet Yeah, yeah, Well I had an interesting conversation with

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I don't know who you're of, this author Julia moss Bridge.

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So familiar, Okay, So she's she's American and she's written

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some best selling books. And when I spoke to her,

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I mean I conducted her because again it was interesting.

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So she's a new raw scientist, and yet she believes

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that we carry intuition and she is a theory about that.

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So her theory. It was quite interesting, really, was that

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when we sleep, the mind is able to time travel

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forward and come back. So and when we started to speak,

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it was quite and can that she had had so

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she I don't know how old she is now. I

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think she would be in her fifties maybe, And like

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she was explaining that she had her first premonition dream

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when she was seven, and her premonition dream was that

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the house corfire, the house confere and you know, she

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didn't really take a lot of notice, but this particular

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night is probably within three days. She just walked outside

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her house late at night, and she just stood and

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she looked at the house, and she could see the

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smoke billowing out from the basement. And since then she's

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kept a dream journal. And I wonder sometimes I never

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kept a dream journal. I should do, really, because I

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have most incredible dreams. But I just wondered that as

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a theory as well. But I think you're right. I

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think time is not linear. I think time is as

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you said, it's I don't know, I don't know. I

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think it's layered, and as you said, everything could be

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happening all at once.

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Speaker 1: See, we only perceive time as linear because that's how

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our brains work. Yes, we always look at beginning, middle,

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and end. Everything is linear. We talk about past lives, well,

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you know those past lives are probably happening right now.

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We're only aware of this one because of the gray

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matter we have up here. Yes, but yeah, it's the

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more you start to look into it, the wilder it gets,

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you know, getting down to the basics again, it's just

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listening and paying attention, which your mind is telling you

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what your body is telling you, your feelings of dread,

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that fight or flight response, that something is seriously wrong. Yes,

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so often people will blow it off and it's like

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it's my imagination, like my mother, But you know it's

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people take the time to listen. Excuse me a little

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choked up tonight, take the time to listen to themselves,

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listen to your body, pay attention, and don't just blow

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it off. And you'd be surprised at you know how

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and tuned in. You could be.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely absolutely. I mean my health experiences alone are

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just incredible. You know, I've you know, I will go

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to great data because there's so much to talk about you,

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but you know, I have actually looked at a box

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of tablets instead of thought, oh my gosh, I mustn't

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take those, and you know, like two months down the line,

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so glad I didn't because I mean that you know

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that there's there are several stories like that. I mean, my, my,

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My journey through the NHS has been quite incredible because

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I've had to how can I say, fight to get

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the right diagnoses. I've got to fight for the right medications.

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So I mean, there was there was one instance, I

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mean where I've been diagnosed this medication for the epilepsy,

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and it was the first medication. I mean, I take

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medication now, not a problem. I never questioned this medication,

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but the first one I thought, oh my gosh, I

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don't think I can take this. So I examined the

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box one day and it just said on the side

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of the box, if you have narrow angles or narrow

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angle local was that, do not take this medication. I

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had no idea what that was. But all I know

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was I kept on having seizures and I was afraid

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to take this medication, and I thought, it's an eye problem.

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So I'm going to see an I specialist. I went

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to my GP, and my GP said, yeah, but are

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you having problems with your eyes. And I said no,

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so why don't you take the medication, because I said,

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my guest is tell me not take them. And he

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said to me, but it's a bit ridiculous to refer

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you if you've not been diagnosed with this condition. But

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I said, look now, I'm prepared to pay to see

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this consultant and I'm asking you, as a health professional,

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to refer me. And that was it. So I put

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up a fight. It was very stressful. So I went

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to see this ophthalmologist and I just gave him the

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box and I said to him, okay, there it is there.

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You tell me if I can take these. That's all

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I want, because something is telling me I must. I

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should not take them. I'm not saying I've got that.

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I don't know what that is, but there's a feeling.

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And examine my eyes. And he had what they call

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a slit lump and it was a bit like a

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sudden dial I suppose measuring the depth between the pupil

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and the iris chambers and yeah, christ chamber. So anyway,

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I sat back down and he said to me, well,

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he said, you have got the condition. And I said okay,

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and he said, and you're so lucky you did not

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take these. And I said, right, what would have happened

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if I had taken them? And he said, you would

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have gone completely blind on the fourth or fifth day permanently.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So I said to him, are you serious? And

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he said, I am serious. And he said, and what

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I'm going to do is I'm going to do a

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procedure called an irodotomy in my clinic where they laser

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a hole into the iris at twelve o'clock. And if

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you ever took a medication it contains so for somebody

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with this condition, dilation drops a dangerous that could be

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an emergency, medical emergency. I don't know if you've got

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limbs it over there in the States, but it's like

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a flu treatment, night nurse is a medicine. All of

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these things can cause narrow anglical al coma or closure. Sorry,

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So what happens the iris pushes into the people and

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becomes distorted and you just go blind. It is a

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medical emergency. And he said when he started work, you

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00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:11,240
would see one person blended permanently a month through halving

476
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:15,039
that condition and not know when they had it. So

477
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:19,200
there are many things. There are many things like that.

478
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:19,759
You know that.

479
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: Do you ever get a chance to go back to

480
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:25,599
that GP and tell him I was right?

481
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,039
Speaker 2: Yes? Good, absolutely, absolutely, because.

482
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:32,359
Speaker 1: I hate when doctors blow you off and think that

483
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,079
you're a hypochondriac or there's you know, there's something wrong

484
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:38,839
with you up here. Yes, they don't, and they don't

485
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,119
take it seriously when you have questions or concerns and

486
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,559
it's not his job or any doctor's job to tell

487
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:50,279
you no, don't go see a specialist. It's like, look,

488
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:53,519
I feel they need to so refer me or I'll

489
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:54,519
go find somebody.

490
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is what they based on. Logic again,

491
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,640
logic and.

492
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: Logic and pushing pharmaceuticals that have a lot of side effects.

493
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I totally agree, I totally yeah. Yeah, yea.

494
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:22,679
Speaker 1: So fascinating, fascinating. What other stories would you be able

495
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:23,039
to share?

496
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the book, there's a crossover in the

497
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,599
book where I sort of talk about so I talk

498
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:41,639
about intuition, but they're also profound experiences which have molded

499
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,079
me a bit, and you know my I suppose have

500
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,840
enhanced my spirituality. I'm not always spiritual. I can shout

501
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,320
to traffic wardens and want to take people's shins off

502
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,920
when they walk in front of my trolley. You know,

503
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:02,559
I'm not not I'm quite earth bound on times. But

504
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,480
but the book talks about that. You know, we have

505
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:10,000
a lot of experiences. You're at our home of lights,

506
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:16,440
and so there's a crossover where, you know, we talk

507
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,360
about intuition, but also I feel like there's a presence.

508
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,639
When you said you mentioned earlier about an angel guide

509
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,760
or that type of thing, I don't know how I

510
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,760
would call it. I would call it call it energy.

511
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:36,559
I haven't really got a name for it. But you know,

512
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:43,800
but I think that the idea that we can with

513
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,199
our minds, so if we can so if we can

514
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:51,119
pull out conditions in ourselves and other people, and we

515
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:53,760
can feel this, and we can have empathy with people

516
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,840
that we've never ever met before and we feel sadness

517
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,000
in them or we you know, and as you say

518
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:03,960
that you can see micro I suppose body gestures if

519
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,000
you are an EmPATH. But if you put all that

520
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:09,960
in the pot, then why can't we sort of have

521
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:17,880
a contact with the universal energy? And the book became

522
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:23,920
more real for me after something that happened to me,

523
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:33,480
you know, like regarding Amy, my daughter again. So basically

524
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,760
it was Mother's Day. It was in two thousand and seventeen.

525
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:42,360
I think my book came out on twenty eighteen, but

526
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,480
it was twenty and seventeen. It was Mother's Day and

527
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:52,440
mother on Sunday. And I felt really melancholy because my

528
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:56,199
mom died when I was eleven, and I lost my

529
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:58,760
grandmother in two thousands. My grandmother was amazing and she

530
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,400
brought me up. But I was thinking about two months

531
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,960
on that particular day, and one of them was somebody

532
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,599
that's living nearby. Her daughter had call non cancer, which

533
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:18,519
is associated with eight year olds, and this young lady

534
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:21,559
was seventeen at the time, so she was having a

535
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:27,800
huge operation done up in London on that day. And

536
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,559
there was a little boy like who had Amy's condition,

537
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,519
who was in hospital, and he had been in hospital

538
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:40,119
for three months and his only childhood was looking at

539
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:42,920
a screen above, watching Mickey Mouse and things. And I

540
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,519
felt this sort of anger in me. I felt this

541
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:52,199
real anger in me, And at twelve o'clock that night,

542
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,719
I went out the garden. It wasn't meant to be

543
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,960
twelve o'clock, but it just happened to be twelve o'clock.

544
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,159
And I took a cup of coffee with me. I

545
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,400
just stood in the center of my garden. It's really small,

546
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,519
be backing on the woods there, and I just sent

547
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:14,960
this anger and out into the universe, and I asked, why,

548
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:21,079
why are these things happening to these beautiful people today?

549
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:24,840
Why are these beautiful people so ill? Why are they?

550
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,119
And within seconds, I had this sort of feeling. It

551
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:35,840
was like I was goose peoples my knees. I had

552
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:41,000
this surge. It was a surge, and I've got ghosts

553
00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:45,199
was thinking about it now, and I felt very comforted.

554
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:51,000
I couldn't explain why. I couldn't explain what that feeling was,

555
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:54,519
but something I felt i'd come to me and bought

556
00:38:54,559 --> 00:39:01,079
me some sort of peace. No logical explanation, but inner peace.

557
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,679
So I went to bed that night and I slept

558
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,679
quite well. I checked in on these people, not these people,

559
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,639
these beautiful people the following day and things were okay.

560
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,880
And the following night I went to bed and that

561
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:25,480
was probably well. I don't know how to describe it. Really,

562
00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:28,920
I leave other people, you know, the listeners make up

563
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,880
their own mind about it. But I woke up about

564
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,800
two o'clock in the morning and with a little show hour.

565
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,039
And this little sho had a nasal problem, and she'd

566
00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:44,079
sleep on the bed and she would she'd garg a

567
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:46,480
bit during the night because of this problem. We'd taken

568
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:49,159
her to Crystal. We'd spend thousands of pounds to try

569
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:51,840
and find out what was wrong. We never did. But

570
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,880
a little bit of minooka honey in the middle of

571
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,280
the night, she lit the boon, and this stuff discharged

572
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,960
would come out and she'd live a bit of peaceful

573
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,800
an hour or two. Well, I woke up and I

574
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,280
saw them in ooka honey on the window sill. No spoon,

575
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,079
So I thought, oh lazy, I have together and go

576
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:11,280
and get a spoon. So I went to the kitchen,

577
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,800
I got the spoon. I came back in and when

578
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,400
I was walking around the bed. We have no blinds

579
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:20,079
on our window at all, I could see this beam

580
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:26,480
of light coming down into the garden and I thought, oh, okay,

581
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,480
it's a police helicopter. We've got a secure unit not

582
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:34,599
too far away. I thought, somebody's escaped. You always getting

583
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:38,159
a bit paramoid, you know, the windows and doors and things.

584
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:44,519
And when I looked, we've got French doors here, This tool,

585
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:48,480
very large doors. There was all this blue lightning coming

586
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:51,800
out of the ground, like this core gold blue which

587
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,280
I had.

588
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: Seen coming out of the ground, out.

589
00:40:55,039 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: Of the ground its slabbed over there. And I seen

590
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,920
this blue light coming up the oak tree on and

591
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,400
off for years. Did it just flash? And I said

592
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,960
to Darren, did you just see that that blue light?

593
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,679
And he said no, no, it would always be no.

594
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,960
But there so there was this whole chaotic light show

595
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:20,960
of light lightning coming out of the ground. And this

596
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:24,960
beam of light was palisating. It was sort of like

597
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:29,920
a corn large, small, large, small. And I looked up

598
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,199
and there was an overhang of an oak tree, so

599
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,559
you couldn't see into the sky because this oakchestrey was

600
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:40,159
hanging over and I thought, hang on a minute, there's

601
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:44,599
no sound. This absolutely and then at that moment I thought,

602
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:50,360
oh my god, what is this? What is this? And

603
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,760
the corn light went retracted, and then there were these

604
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,760
smaller lights in a column going around in a circle,

605
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:02,480
a double set of lights going around in a circle.

606
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,519
I grabbed hold of Darren and it just went, all

607
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:09,880
of it just went, so it.

608
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: Was only meant for you to see.

609
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: It was incredible. It was absolutely incredible.

610
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:24,079
Speaker 1: I find that to be incredibly fascinating. Some people could

611
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:27,880
probably jump to the UFO say, oh, there's a UFO

612
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,239
up there beaming things down. Sometimes I don't think it's

613
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:37,039
quite that simple, because there are things happening on multiple planes, yes,

614
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:42,440
and things, And if you do you believe in the

615
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:50,079
other entities or spirits, guides whatever that are working with us.

616
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:53,440
There's some things that just come into our world. In fact,

617
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,199
that's one of the things I want to write with

618
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,519
this book, is examining our concepts of reality, what our

619
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:04,880
illusion is and what's really going on, and which is

620
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,800
I feel reality is far a stranger and beyond our

621
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:19,079
comprehension currently. Then people realize, yes, yeah, I wish I

622
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:23,159
wish Irene was here because she's had experiences like that

623
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,800
seeing lights or shadows. Well, she has three ghosts in

624
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:33,159
her house. Uh. I went out there and just over

625
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,400
a year ago to visit, and I had a couple

626
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,400
of my own experiences while I was there. Yeah, I

627
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:45,960
have something where my body tells me when there is

628
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,320
a strong spiritual energy nearby. And I was laying in

629
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:58,079
bed in her guest room and I I have sleep apness.

630
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:02,159
I have to use a ceapap man and I like

631
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,000
no light, so I cover with a mask and I'm

632
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,559
lying there and I'm not asleep yet, and all of

633
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:14,840
a sudden, I just felt this presence and my body

634
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,320
is telling me I learned to read these signals. My

635
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,320
heart was racing a bit, got the goose bumps, and

636
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,000
you just felt the energy. It wasn't a bad feeling.

637
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:29,599
It was just somebody came into the room and checked

638
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:33,480
me out. Now what's strange about that is I didn't

639
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,920
take a peek to see if anything was there. I

640
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:41,280
just laid there and accepted what was happening. And after

641
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,920
a while it went away and I fell asleep.

642
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

643
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:46,679
Speaker 1: I also was living in a house when I first

644
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,559
moved to New Jersey from Los Angeles twenty five years ago.

645
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:54,920
The house I was staying in had a lot of activity,

646
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:59,559
and some nights I'd wake up with sleep paralysis. That's

647
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:03,360
the only time was in that house I've ever experienced that.

648
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,719
And when I had the sleep paralysis, I would feel

649
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,280
this intense energy. Yes, and sometimes it would get more

650
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,800
intense at times, and yet whenever it ended, instead of

651
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,599
jumping up freaking out like you think some people were,

652
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:20,920
I just go right back to sleep.

653
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you accept it. You don't fight with it,

654
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:32,679
you just accept. I get that, you know. I've walked

655
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:40,280
into the buildings. I've had a profound experience in a

656
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,119
house in Putole, but which is not far from here,

657
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,920
and I felt like the house had died actually when

658
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:56,000
there was such a huge sadness. It was so sad.

659
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,679
I was actually going for therapy myself. I was going

660
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,079
there for alternative therapy.

661
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: You know.

662
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: And in the end I had to tell the person

663
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,159
I couldn't come there anymore because of the presence there.

664
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:16,679
And I just asked them, it has something really awful

665
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:22,039
happened here, and they said yes, and it was regarding

666
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:28,079
a child and it was an accident, and it's almost

667
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:31,079
like it was frozen in time. But the more I

668
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,400
was going there, the more I was just picking up

669
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,800
on this, and I didn't feel like I was, you know,

670
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,800
refreshed where I was coming from that. I felt the opposite.

671
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:48,719
And the strange thing was, I mean, I saw that

672
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,320
person who was very nice, a very nice person many

673
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:59,599
years later, and she said, there's something that happened there

674
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:03,360
and it was lifted, you know, it became lifted, but

675
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,000
it was Yeah, I've gone into I have gone in places.

676
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:11,159
It doesn't happen all the time, you know. I don't

677
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:14,920
go around looking for things. It just does happen. But

678
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:17,159
like you said, there you were lying in bed and

679
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,840
you knew there was a presence there. You didn't have

680
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,559
to look at it. You don't because you don't need

681
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:28,079
evidence because you know and you accept that, so you

682
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:30,960
know you. I think that is one of the other

683
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,639
things as well, is if you're open and we accept

684
00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:39,159
there are so many things we've don't understand, then the

685
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,400
more it happens in a way, it's almost like it

686
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:47,039
reveals itself to you because you're chosen in a way,

687
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:50,760
and you are you chosen I don't know. Maybe you're

688
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,440
chosen from a young age to be an EmPATH. I

689
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,880
don't know. Or it's something it develops. I can't quite

690
00:47:58,920 --> 00:47:59,679
work that out.

691
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: I think it's something you're born with, but it also

692
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:12,760
could be developed too if people live more in acceptance

693
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:18,280
and not dismiss things. Yes, when you live in denial,

694
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:26,639
that stifles can stifle abilities. I know people who are

695
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:31,880
incredibly intuitive, I would even say psychic, and it scares

696
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,599
them and they don't want to do anything about it.

697
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,519
I had a friend years ago she had passed away.

698
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:43,360
She had cancer, but before she got bad, she came

699
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,559
over to our house and we were talking, and at

700
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:52,159
the time, we were living upstairs from my wife's parents.

701
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,480
This is back during the real estate crash of two

702
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:02,519
thousand and eight, and she suddenly starts talking strange and

703
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:06,239
doing acting strange, and it turns out she was tapping

704
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:11,679
into her grandparents, my wife's grandparents, who used to live

705
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,280
there and aren't there anymore, but then was tapping into

706
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,960
them and could tell that they were there. And it

707
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:23,320
was incredible to watch her work. But yet she was

708
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,880
also one of those that just didn't really pursue it.

709
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:31,559
Speaker 2: Wow, shame, isn't it that as a shame?

710
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,159
Speaker 1: She was very strong, she could have she could have

711
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,239
done a lot with it. But I think, you know, again,

712
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,000
it's scared some people, or you get Irene has a

713
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:45,800
son who she says is way more psychic than she is, Chris.

714
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,519
She hates that term anyway, but yeah, he's more stronger

715
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,960
with his intuition and everything, but he's just couldn't be

716
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,039
bothered with it. He just goes about his life and

717
00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:00,480
doing it and he doesn't want paid it any mind

718
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:01,559
or really want anything to.

719
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: Do with it. That's a shame. But then I supposedly

720
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,599
is intuitive as long as he uses it as a

721
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:16,239
means for his own like in the campus, as he

722
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,559
lives life, that will be enough, you know, as long

723
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:24,800
as he benefits from it. But yeah, I suppose that.

724
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,639
You know, when you think about psychic or intuition, and

725
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,239
I don't know if the two meet there somewhere, but

726
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:38,519
like when I think about myself, So I've had like

727
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:43,599
experience with objects as well, so that there have been

728
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:49,800
instances where objects have found people where they were meant

729
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,880
they were meant to go, and that I find that fascinate.

730
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:59,760
And I mean that's happened quite a lot of times.

731
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,199
Speaker 1: All so psychometry where if you touch her handle an object,

732
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,159
you start getting information on it.

733
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really, I can't say it is that

734
00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:15,960
it's almost like if something How can I give an example?

735
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:19,239
So I was working in a charity shop for twenty

736
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,920
four years and there's a wonderful woman working it and

737
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:29,679
she's been an unpaid man dressa for well for the duration.

738
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,239
You know, she's really the most least materialist person I've

739
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:40,079
ever come across, and she's just wonderful. And we were

740
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,719
in the salty room one day and there was a

741
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,360
box and everything that looked like it wouldn't sell would

742
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,880
go into the box. So I'm a little bit of

743
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,480
a ferret. I love to go in that box, and

744
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:58,480
I love to go through things because a I'm an artist,

745
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:04,320
so I do sort of strange assemblages and I marry

746
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:10,000
objects together and then sometimes you find things and you think,

747
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:14,000
what is this? You know it needs a home. So

748
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:17,440
there was a book, a book in this box, and

749
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:19,440
she's kept saying to me, I don't know why you're

750
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,239
going through there. We've we've sort of living out it's rubbish.

751
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,760
And she well that just because I'm quite pigheaded, I thought,

752
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,800
I'm just going to go through it. So this book,

753
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,840
I'm holding this book and I open the book and

754
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,559
they're these drawings. Children scrawl. I love kids drawings. You know.

755
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:41,039
It's if I had to guess, i'd say it was

756
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:43,199
done by five or six year old. And then I

757
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,960
went to the back and then and then there on

758
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:53,840
the second page, I will say sooner she knows. So

759
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,639
she is and a dress and she looked at me

760
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:07,760
as she's said, that is my Bible. I said, that

761
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,960
is my bible. She said, I've not seen that bible

762
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:15,320
since I was eight or nine. It was her bible.

763
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,840
If anybody wanted to do the work. She's down in

764
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,320
the community shop in Britain, Faerry, you know. And she said,

765
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:29,239
this is my bible. And I've had so many things.

766
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:32,039
I mean even I missed out like a bit of

767
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:35,519
the story where when I was going for that therapy,

768
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:41,400
that alternative therapy, I had gone to a local antique

769
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:46,559
shop beneath and I love things that are made by

770
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:50,719
innocent hands, you know, not I like skilled things, but

771
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,679
I like things that are made by kids and you know,

772
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,320
people just having the goal. So it could be ceramics

773
00:53:56,599 --> 00:54:00,519
or paintings. I love, you know, kids paint and things

774
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:03,559
like that. And there were some pots outside this charity

775
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:09,559
charge antique shop, and I bought two of them, and

776
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,559
I brought them home and I've got like an earth

777
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:14,719
called uniture, and they were sitting on the top of

778
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:20,280
the earth call unit. And when I started to go

779
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:28,400
to that house in Botle but this therapy, there were

780
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,400
pots there and they were nothing like the ones I bought.

781
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,599
Absolutely they didn't look they were different. Plays the different color,

782
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:38,920
different shapes. And I said to the woman, I said, oh,

783
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,159
I bought pots a bit like I did with the nuropsychologists.

784
00:54:43,159 --> 00:54:46,559
I said, I bought pots in Alfred Street in the

785
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:52,760
antique shop. And she said to me they were my sisters.

786
00:54:55,239 --> 00:55:01,199
So I believe that objects can connect to people. There

787
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,000
is a I've done collages. I mean, one of the

788
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,639
most fascinating things I find about collages. You know what

789
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,159
I do is I like I tip black bin bags

790
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:16,000
full of gone wrong paintings that I've done, and there's

791
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:19,719
a mass of them, and then I'll have say, stump

792
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:25,519
albums or sheet music or like old encyclopedias and things

793
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,599
like that to draw in as well to combine. And

794
00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:36,440
I like abstract art as well. So this particular collage

795
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,239
I was doing, it just happened in the space of

796
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:46,760
ten minutes. So it was a white piece of paper, rectangular,

797
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:54,519
and then I cut out this page out of an encyclopedia.

798
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,559
They were like this, like red hotlines. They were just

799
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:01,239
sort of I don't know what they were, and I

800
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,920
stuck them on and then I went through another encyclopedia

801
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,840
and there was a fabulous head or illustration of this

802
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:14,280
sort of sentieth seventeenth century male face. I thought that

803
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,920
he's fabulous, so I created almost like a monument. So

804
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,880
his head was on the top and then this block

805
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,360
of these lines were underneath, and I just got a

806
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,599
little bit of black paper.

807
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: That was it.

808
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: That's all the picture was, and it just came together.

809
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:38,880
It just looked fabulous, and I thought, right, I'm going

810
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,559
to look now to see what these who he is

811
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:45,639
and what this is your So I went back to

812
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,639
the box and I and I looked and they were

813
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:55,920
heating rods. It was a photograph of heating rods. Okay.

814
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,719
And then I went and I looked to see you

815
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:05,639
with the was and his name was Sadikano and he

816
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:13,000
was a heat theorist, and they had found each other.

817
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:18,280
They'd found each other and and that's what I feel

818
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:24,880
is like sometimes objects. You know, there was a chat

819
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,199
I knew we used to go to the football And

820
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:32,800
I don't know if if this is is How can

821
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,119
I say if these were his? But I just got

822
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:40,559
talked to him one day and he said he was

823
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:43,480
based out in Hong Kong in the fifties. He was

824
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:47,960
in the Navy, and before he left he had a

825
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,760
pair of cufflinks made for himself and they were like

826
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:56,800
a moonstone and they would add carved begolders at the back,

827
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,519
and he said, I was devastated. I went to a

828
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:02,760
wedding once and he said, I just don't know what

829
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,559
happened to them. I never saw them again. I don't

830
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:09,320
know if his wife had given the suit of charity

831
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,239
or shirt suit suited given to the charity shop, but

832
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,320
you never saw them again. And the week previous, I

833
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,719
had gone to a local dry cleanness and they were

834
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,519
selling off kufflinks that had come off out in the

835
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:29,760
machine for a pounds each, and I had bought a

836
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,840
pair of cufflins that were moonstone with a bgold in

837
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,280
the back, and I took them and I gave them

838
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:42,760
to him. So I don't know, I don't know. I

839
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,000
don't even question the stuff anymore. You just live it,

840
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:51,400
and you just except that you can draw lines we

841
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:58,039
cannot see, but we as you just said that, you

842
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:01,599
can develop a bit more and more where you become

843
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:07,360
almost like this radar and use it. You can use

844
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:14,360
it for good purpose, good purpose the Bible, returning our Bible,

845
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:18,719
Juan was sorry, I was just said in it. It

846
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,360
was probably one of the highlights of my life. To

847
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:26,280
be honest with you, it really was wow. But yeah,

848
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:32,119
it's sorry, no go ahead, no, you go ahead. Sorry, Okay,

849
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:32,599
So I.

850
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,519
Speaker 1: Was just gonna say, we are coming up on the

851
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:40,199
hour here, but okay, this your stories and what we've

852
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:43,840
been able to talk about, it just fascinates me. There's

853
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,119
so much to learn from it. There's so much that

854
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:49,840
if we opened ourselves up. Everything is energy. So it's

855
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,639
a matter of raising your own energy or vibration in

856
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,599
order to meet these things. And if you're open to

857
00:59:56,719 --> 01:00:00,719
things and not denying them, you could develop more. And

858
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:06,840
again I'm about some not great but but we all

859
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:11,360
have it. We all have it now. Justin your book

860
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:17,639
again is called sold Wning an Intuitional Journey. And where

861
01:00:17,679 --> 01:00:19,199
can people find your book?

862
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,639
Speaker 2: They can find it on Amazon. I think it's for

863
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:28,000
sale in Waitross. I think it's it's it's for sale

864
01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:30,519
in quite a lot of well no, I'm saying a lot.

865
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:33,920
It isn't a lot, but you know, it is easily available.

866
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,159
But I would if somebody wanted to buy it, I

867
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:38,039
buy it on Amazon. I think it's on offer at

868
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:41,760
the moment. So yeah, and it's had good reviews. I

869
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,719
have to say, I, you know, I think what is

870
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,199
this saying everybody should write a book. I'm glad that

871
01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:51,239
I wrote mine, that's for sure, because I've had some

872
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:56,800
really fabulous contacts from people that I've read it, and

873
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,119
you know, I feel you know, what I think is

874
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:06,480
important is if somebody listens to this conversation we've had

875
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,079
and maybe in a couple of weeks time, that's what

876
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:11,880
I've heard of people come in to me and say,

877
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,920
do you know what I've remembered your book? And then

878
01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:17,239
I made this decision just probably based on how I

879
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,960
felt about it, and it was the right decision. I

880
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,119
think we've achieved something mark, you know, even with the

881
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:26,320
book and listen.

882
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, So sharing our knowledge and what we've learned and

883
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:37,559
what helps other people develop too, that's awesome. Yes, yeah, yeah, fantastic.

884
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:40,400
Well Jocelyn again, thank you so much for coming on

885
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:45,599
this show, Thank you for having me and everyone, thank

886
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:49,440
you for tuning in to this first show of twenty

887
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:53,360
twenty five of the Paranormal UK Radio Show, once again

888
01:01:53,519 --> 01:01:58,400
the flagship show of the Paranormal UK Radio Network. And

889
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,960
I would usually ask, I read it, point, where can

890
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,920
anybody find us? And she would say everywhere, people everywhere,

891
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:08,960
which means wherever podcasts are, you'll find us. We're on

892
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:14,039
so many different platforms, but anyway, thank you all so much.

893
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,719
We will be back with new shows coming up here

894
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,239
in the next couple of weeks, so stay tuned until then.

895
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,880
As I like to say, be good humans and we'll

896
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,119
catch you later. Take care,