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Speaker 1: Jim, what's up? Hello Jim?
Speaker 2: Hello Jim, Jim. Okay, thank you, Jim, compelling and Rich.
Let me start here. Paige Maston. She is the deputy
opinion editor for the Charlotte Observer and she covers stories.
According to her bio at the Observer, she coverslories that
impact people in Charlotte and across the state.
Speaker 1: And she has an.
Speaker 2: Editorial that she put up yesterday and the headline is
North Carolina Republicans echo Trump's absurd claims that bombing Iran
is an act of peace. So yeah, that got me
scratching my head too.
Speaker 3: Far?
Speaker 2: Be it for me to suggest that a you know,
a twenty something year old in Charlotte is a foreign
policy expert. But look, I talk about all sorts of
stuff and I'm no expert on anything really, So who
am I right to judge? So she starts off with
this piece though peace through strength in quotes peace through strength.
We've heard this term, right, peace through strength. She says,
I'm gonna read.
Speaker 1: This to you.
Speaker 2: And just listen to the full sentence. Okay, it's one
of those deliberately vague phrases that sounds like both a
euphemism and a paradox. A deliberately vague phrase that sounds
like a euphemism and a paradox. It does not actually
sound like a paradox at all.
Speaker 1: And it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I guess you could say it
could be a euphemism in certain circumstances.
Speaker 1: She says. She's repeated so many times that it's practically
lost all meaning? Has it? Though? Has it?
Speaker 2: What's your understanding of the piece through strength axiom? I
have a pretty good understanding of what it means. I
understand it to mean that you build up your military
might aka your strength, You build up your economy aka
your strength. Right, you build up a national ethos, a
pride in your country, so your citizens love their country
that strength, and that makes you not only less vulnerable
to aggression, but it also means that if you are aggressed,
you can you can fight back and defeat.
Speaker 1: Your enemies, right.
Speaker 2: Or you know, it could be that you're projecting this
this strength outward and you are able then to translate
that into diplomacy diplomatic efforts. And why would that occur
is because people are afraid of you, right, That's the
whole point. People are afraid of your strength and how
you might use that against them because they are not
as strong as you are, so they don't pick fights
with you. They are more willing to go along with you. You're
seen as strong, and they want to be They want
to be friends with a strong person or a strong
country in this case.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So there are all sorts of ways that this manifests itself.
It's it's a it's more of a philosophy. It's not
strictly a it's not a policy.
Speaker 1: There's no law. It's it's it's just.
Speaker 2: A way of being. It's to be strong. And I
think this might be where page masked in at the
Charlotte Observer where she doesn't really understand what this all entails,
because I feel like she thinks that we can just
talk this stuff out sometimes and or not sometimes, but
like all the times, and no, you can't.
Speaker 1: All the time.
Speaker 2: When when a when a wolf comes to your door, right,
it's not there to talk with you. So the way
that you prevent the wolf from coming to the door,
or maybe i'll say a bear, I'll use this analogy
and staid because bears they could seem cute and cuddly, right,
and they come to your door, but the next thing
you know, they learn how to open door handles and
they rip open your fridge, they destroy your kitchen.
Speaker 1: Oh, and they may maul you to death.
Speaker 2: Right, So you bang a bunch of pots and pans
and this sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're scaring them. So I guess that's some
bit of peace through strength. Because the bear runs away.
You haven't harmed the bear.
Speaker 2: The bear didn't destroy your kitchen, but you bang the
pots and pans loud enough and he runs away. Or
if the bear is not scared by your pots and
pans banging, you may have to shoot the bear. This
does happen people cry about it. When I was up
in Ashville, this occurred with a west Asheville bear that
everybody knew and loved. And then the bear went into
the front yard with a couple of toddlers playing, and
dad saw it and was like, oh hell no, and
shot and killed the bear, and people were really really
mad about it. See, that's also peace through strength. Here's
another one to go back to the wolves. Peace through
strength could also mean that you've got cattle out, and
you got a pack of wolves that are running all
around the area murdering all of your cattle, and so
you go out with a couple of your hunter friends
and you hunt and kill the wolves. You are stronger
than the wolves. You kill all the wolves, and now
there's peace. So I hope this has been helpful to
Page Maston. See, there are many different ways this can
manifest itself. This peace through strength phrases, as she calls
it a deliberately vague phrase, it's not actually deliberately vague.
It's an ethos it's a philosophy. I think most guys
understand this. I'm not trying to like I'm not being
like flippant about that.
Speaker 1: I'm serious.
Speaker 2: Like I think I think most men understand what this
concept means.
Speaker 1: I don't. That's just my guess.
Speaker 2: President Donald Trump, she says, insists that his bombing of
Iran is a perfect example of this so called strategy,
A so called strategy. Do you get the idea that
She's very dismissive of the concept of peace through strength,
she says, despite the fact that it stands in stark
contrast to the anti interventionist image he cultivated on the
campaign trail and to the peacemaker and unifier that he
promised to be.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: This is one of those things, She's like, violence never
solves anything. Not true, It's actually not true. Sometimes violence
does solve some stuff. War never solves anything. Not true,
Sometimes war does. Sometimes it ends in peace afterwards, you
know it does. You have a side that surrenders and like,
find fine, we won't fight you anymore, and then you
have peace. But you had to have a lot of
violence first, right, A lot of Dare I call it
strength first? See, it means different things in different situations.
I'm I'm not trying to sound patronizing here or like,
I'm not trying to condescend. I'm genuinely trying to inform
for others who may not understand what this philosophy might mean.
In fact, I went over and found some definitions for
what this could mean. This is actually from here you
go the political dictionary dot com. And if you can't
trust the political dictionary, and really, who can you trust.
Peace through strength is the accumulation of military power and
security assets by a country to encourage an amenable diplomatic
atmosphere with other countries.
Speaker 1: So what does that mean?
Speaker 2: To encourage an amenable diplomatic atmosphere? Other words, the implied
threat is we will use this massive military power against
you if you don't engage in diplomacy.
Speaker 1: I said this the other day.
Speaker 2: If you you cannot say no without an implied threat
of force. Otherwise it's just a request. And you really
can't stop somebody from transgressing you.
Speaker 1: You can't unless.
Speaker 2: Because if they're willing to use force and you cannot
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Speaker 1: Walter is on, Hello Walter, welcome.
Speaker 5: Hey Pete from I just wanted to know if the
lady that you're referring to that wrote the article understands
what mutual assured destruction means. You know, that was an
axiom that we used a lot in the seventies and
the I.
Speaker 2: Remember it, yeah, mad mutually assured destruction. This was the
the I don't want to say strategy, but it was
sort of the promise that if the Russians or the Soviets,
I should say, if they launched nukes on us, we
would retaliate on them immediately and then do a second
strike and a third strike. And so the idea was
we would both blow each other up to the extent
that it was not worth it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I'm just wondering if the lady that wrote this
article did any research back into what we used to
tell our enemies or potential enemies. Look, this is what's
gonna happen to you, right, you know. I mean, whenever
we come up with these phrases and whatnot that she's
referring to. It's not for games, it's for it's a
real deal.
Speaker 1: It's life or death. Literally.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're dealing with somebody who has a nuclear weapon
or is you know, chanting death to you, and and
you're trying to convey to them if you do this,
it will be the last thing you ever do. That's
the threat, that is peace through strength, because the strength
is the threat and the belief that you will carry
through with it, and then they leave you alone.
Speaker 1: There's your piece.
Speaker 5: Maybe she should go back and do a little bit
of historical research.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean she was a UNC Chapel Hill grad
so she probably didn't get any of this education. That's
I kid, I kid the tar heels. Not really though,
all right, Walter, I appreciate the call man, David, Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 1: Hey David Billo, Hey, how you doing it? Good sir?
What's up?
Speaker 4: Well? I've been listening to this argument about what is it?
What is peace through strength? What I have to say
about it is we have been attacked for twenty years
by this come country called Iran, and we were strong
enough to do something about it, but we didn't because
we didn't have the same policy you're speaking of. I
agree one hundred percent with what you think that means.
And in my view, any enemy needs to respect the
strength of its enemy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless if you don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you if our enemy doesn't respect our strength,
they'll just do whatever they want to us.
Speaker 4: That's correct. So you have very articulatively stated that. I
just want you to know I agree with that. Sure,
I also want to say that we have another little
twist to this that is not always there in a
way of enemies and how they hate each other. In
this case, the hatred is ideological and that is forever.
It doesn't go away, even if we beat them and
nuclears or whatever we beat them in, it doesn't go away.
After all, it's started back into six hundreds and it's
it's persistent all this time, and they openly state you
are going to be destroyed by us. So that said,
I think we're dealing with more complexity than just an enemy.
Speaker 2: Oh h with one hundred percent agree, Yeah, yeah, I
one agree, Like this is not you're you're dealing with
a religion, a philosophy, an economic posture as well.
Speaker 1: That's part of Islam as well. But yeah, but here's
the thing.
Speaker 2: That kind of reform has got to come from within
Islam itself.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: We can't force that kind of an enlightenment, uh, in
that faith. They have to come to that themselves to say, yeah,
you know what, I know there's some stuff in this
book that kind of has been interpreted as you know,
murder everybody, but we're not going to We're not going
to do that.
Speaker 1: Anymore, right, and.
Speaker 2: If there comes a point that that they have this
kind of an enlightenment, then that has to come from them.
Speaker 1: That we can't force that onto them. And that's what
I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what became very clear to me over
the last twenty years with the Iraq War. It was
like they this is this is way more deeply rooted,
deep seated, and like, that's that's not even anything to
speak of. The anti Semitism. I mean, you got people
in the Middle East that are otherwise learned, educated, very
nice people and all of this, but you mentioned the Jews,
and it's just woo, you know, trips the trigger and
you know, anti Semitism in the Middle East is just
it's off the charts. So yeah, I don't know how
you combat that. But hey, David, I appreciate the call, man,
have a great weekend. I think it's it's this this
piece through strength philosophy that Paige Maston at the Charlotte Observer.
And I don't mean to pick on her. I've never
met her, I don't know her. I'm just i'd the
peace and I'm like, Okay, she doesn't seem to understand
what this is all about. I'm not trying to be
mean about it at all. I'm just trying to sort
of explain, like, for example, you get peace through strength
when you show strength outward displays of strength, right, And
what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it could mean yeah.
Speaker 2: Sending food and aid and recovery relief supplies after an
earthquake or something. Oh, look at you, you're so strong.
That would be soft power, right, you have allies, your
allies stand around you and like, hey, look at everybody.
We're all allied. Yes, sure, but the alliance doesn't mean
anything if you don't, let's say, build militaries among all
of those countries, which, by the way, hat tipped to
Donald Trump yet again another foreign policy win here, he's
got NATO countries going up to five percent of GDP
to their military. I'm old enough to remember when the
lefties and media, but I repeat myself that they were like,
oh my gosh, he's gonna destroy NATO because he's a
putent puppet. Well how did that turn out? He was
trying to get him to just fund the two percent.
I think it was that they were required to fund
as part of a NATO alliance, they had to fund
two percent of their GDP for military and they weren't
doing it. They were just like free loading off of us.
And He's like, that's got to stop. And if you
don't want to pay your two percent, then you know what,
we don't need to be doing this anymore.
Speaker 1: And everybody's like, oh my gosh, he's gonna destroy NATO.
Speaker 2: Is he destroying NATO or is it the countries that
haven't made their obligations destroying NATO?
Speaker 1: And I would submit it to the latter. And now
all of a sudden, and.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was, you know, Russia invading Ukraine and Trump saying,
you know, screw Zelensky.
Speaker 1: I don't want anything to do with this guy.
Speaker 2: He doesn't wear a suit whatever, which by the way,
he did wear a suit to NATO.
Speaker 1: Again, like Trump not only got these NATO countries to
go to five percent, he got Zelenski to wear a
suit and he took out the Iranian nuclear facilities.
Speaker 2: See this is the thing. Strength strength is displayed. Yes,
there is a perception of one strength. Like if I'm
looking at my enemy and I'm trying to assess or whatever,
and I can observe things that I think make them strong.
But that's just observation, outward displays, and real world examples
of strength. Those are the most observable of all. And
this may be lost on people who are suffering from
Trump derangement syndrome. But when we talked about the nature
of this bombing run on Iran, it is remarkable. It
has not been done. This kind of thing has not
been done before. From the size of the bombs, the
number of the bombs, the precision of the attacks, the
fact that the Israeli's completely obliterated all of the israel
the Iranian air defense, like the length of the bomber mission.
It was an amazing feat. And I understand you hate Trump, right,
I get it, you really don't like the Orange Man.
But for America, if this guy ends up getting a
piece deal between Israel and Iran, you guys are going
to have to just acknowledge that you've been wrong about
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and so that's why I'm giving this sort of breakdown
on this philosophy Piece through Strength, because the deputy opinion
editor for the Charlotte Observer appears to be unclear what
Piece through Strength means on dare I, Well, I will
say it. It's a spectrum. Okay, it's a spectrum. Strength
can mean different things in different situations, but.
Speaker 1: The goal is always peace. So if you have.
Speaker 2: A theocratic, tyrannical terrorism funding regime that is calling for
your death, your annihilation, how do you get peace with them?
Right when they want all of America to be wiped
off the map? How do you get peace with that
kind of a regime? Do you settle with like, say, okay,
how about half of America? In which case then I
do have some proposals to offer for states to be
a No, I'm kidding, but like do you say, okay,
well just half of America or is it like a
sixty to forty split? Do we do like a geographic breakdown?
Like can you negotiate here? So again, like when they
say death to America, you all should die, wiped off
the map, whatever, and we say no, how do you
arrive at peace with that kind of.
Speaker 1: A negotiating partner? Well, I would submit, you don't. You can't.
Speaker 2: So you have to then make yourself so scary to
them that they will not try anything, and if they
do try something, then you will wipe them off the map.
Let's say, I'm not saying we should. I'm just like
that's but that's always as Rush Limbaugh always used to say,
the world is governed by the aggressive use of force.
Speaker 1: And you may not like it, and I may not
like it, but that is true. And we can negotiate stuff.
Speaker 2: And if people want to come to terms, and Donald
Trump wants to do deals, he wants everybody to get along.
I do believe that. But if you have a negotiating
partner that does not want to get along, then what
is the projection of strength? So she goes on to
say that she's that these North Carolina Republicans are happy
to defend Donald Trump. The most absurd of the defenses
came Monday when Representative Pat Harrigan, who represents North Carolina's
tenth congressional district, appeared on Fox News to discuss the
strikes on Iran. We're trying to this, what Harrigan said,
We're trying to lower the temperature of global conflict while
simultaneously kind of raising it here in order to lower it.
Harrigan is a former Army Special Forces officer, and so
she says, what when you're trying to cool down your house,
do you turn up the heat before you blast the AC. Okay,
that is a completely silly analogy. I don't know why
you would even make that reference. But here you go
like I would. I would submit you don't turn the
heat up, but you would take the AC offline. Right
If your air conditioner is blowing air and it's not
cooling to the degree that you have said it to,
the AC repairment is going to shut it completely off
first in order to fix it. Right off would be
worse than it blowing like eighty five degrees when you
want it at seventy two. Off would be worse, but
only for a short period of time. You shut it
off in order to fix it. I think that's a
better analogy with the air conditioning. It's not an analogy
that I would have used. I'm just trying to fix
the one that she presented. Or how about this one
she presents When your friends are fighting, do you intentionally
inflame the situation before trying to diffuse it?
Speaker 1: Do you intentionally inflame?
Speaker 2: Well, there's your assumption that this is inflammatory, and again
that's Western conceit that you see this as your friends
are fighting. These aren't friends fighting. These aren't our friends fighting.
This is one of our friends fighting. Against somebody that
wants to kill both of us.
Speaker 1: It's not our friends fighting.
Speaker 2: So if we want the person that hates us and
our friend, if we want them to stop attacking our
friend and also us, by the way, you punch them
in the nose, right, that's what you do to bullies. No,
or you just hope that they stop. Please don't pick
on me anymore. And how well does that appeasement work.
The answer to that, of course, she says, is no. Again,
so these are straw man arguments. She just sets up
these ridiculous analogies so she can knock them down and
set them on fire. So it stands to reason, she says,
it doesn't. Actually that raising the temperature of global conflict
may not be the best strategy if the goal is
to actually lower it. Yet, I would point out, if
you just look at the way things are developing, there
is a cease fire. They are both abiding by it.
Iran is actually talking about coming to negotiate. Why, because
they have no more strength. They have no strength, and
so now they're going to throw themselves on the mercy
or at the mercy of us, rather than us throwing
ourselves at the mercy of them. See because they will
rely on our goodness and maintain the peace. See, that's
how that works with actors like Iran, that's what they respect.
You cannot nego. I mean, how else would you have settled, say,
World War two with Hitler? Right, how else would you
would you have done that? You had to punch the
bully in the nose. In Iran's case, you have to
eliminate their ability to defend themselves in the skies. They
have lost all air dominance. They have no air power
at all anymore, they've lost their nuclear program. They're worried
about being overthrown, and they just want peace now. They
want it, See, because twelve or fourteen days they didn't
want it. Their entire regime has been mobilized for forty
years in order to fight the war against Israel and America.
So now they have a different opinion because they got
punched in the nose. So that's how you got to
the peace part, Peace through strength. She says, it's meant
to be a strategy of deterrence.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 2: True, but at the core of that is an implied threat.
Once again, the ability to say no carries with it
an implication of force, because if they're like, we want
you all to die, and we say no, but we
can't enforce that. And then like, oh, you have this
big military, I'm not going to do it. But they
don't care about the size of the military because they're
fighting in an asymmetrical way. How do you say no?
Just let them keep attacking, attacking, attacking, attacking for decades
and decades and killing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
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Speaker 2: We only have about three minutes here, so be judicious.
I'm gonna get to Carl and Frank if I can. Carl,
Welcome to the show, Hey Carl, Oh hi Pete.
Speaker 3: Enjoy your show. Listen regularly. Question, since my Korea is
within striking distance of our allies South Korea, which I
was stationed here fifty years ago, why did we allow
them to chiminate such a large array of nuclear weapons
underre considered a roade nation.
Speaker 2: So I think that was because China gave them the
nukes secretly.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, what was that.
Speaker 1: China?
Speaker 2: Didn't China give them the nukes secretly? China gave them
the bomb, right, Okay, right, so we and they did
it secretly.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: They gave North Korea the technology, They gave them all
that stuff. And I don't know what our intelligence apparatus
is like. I don't know what South Korea's intelligence apparatus
is like at the time. So it's sort of like
Pakistan with aq Kahn, who got the nuclear technology in
secret stole it.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Okay, yeah, you're welcome that.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's my understanding of it, but I could
be completely wrong on that. Let me get to Frank. Hello, Frank,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 6: Heugh, Yeah, I was just thinking. I was born in
nineteen forty nine. My dad was in the first Marine
Division on Okinaw after the battle, and if it hadn't
been for Harry Truman and the bombs, there would have
been no peace. I probably wouldn't be here because my
dad said he would have never made another battle like
Okanaala was, So that's pace through strands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good example of it. Frank, I appreciate
the call, man, Thank you, and have a great weekend.
This deputy editor at The Observer. She says, if Iran
had escalated the situation further and brought us even closer
to war, would Trump's actions still be a success?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Maybe not, but it did at least that's the way
it looks right now. Like this is what I mean.
People making predictions about whether this was the right call
or not the right call or whatever. Like, just let's
let things play out. I think at this point Trump
has earned a little bit of a benefit of the
doubt on this stuff. He's been racking up quite a
few wins. She says that North Carolina Republicans should be
troubled that the strikes occurred without a consulting Congress and
therefore may not even have been legal. Okay, that's not true.
It was, and they did give a heads up to
members of Congress. She then says, peace through strength can
too easily shift into the Orwillian paradox of peace through war.
There's a reason why previous presidents never made the choice
that Trump did. I would submit that's because of the
progress of the nuclear program, and Trump's refusal to even
acknowledge the possibility of failure is what makes his behavior
so reckless. Well, now, that's that's part of the strength strategy,
is that you say, like, this is what we did right.
We made a tough choice, and we made the right choice,
and we'll do it again. That's the strength part. She says,
we can't bomb our way to peace, and just because
we were lucky enough to avoid disaster this time doesn't
mean we always will. And you know, sometimes you actually
can bomb your way to peace.
Speaker 1: That is possible. Talk to the people in World War two.
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