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Hello Jim? 13 00:00:38,679 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: Hello Jim, Jim. Okay, thank you, Jim, compelling and Rich. 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,560 Let me start here. Paige Maston. She is the deputy 15 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:56,560 opinion editor for the Charlotte Observer and she covers stories. 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,439 According to her bio at the Observer, she coverslories that 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,520 impact people in Charlotte and across the state. 18 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,079 Speaker 1: And she has an. 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: Editorial that she put up yesterday and the headline is 20 00:01:12,079 --> 00:01:19,599 North Carolina Republicans echo Trump's absurd claims that bombing Iran 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:27,640 is an act of peace. So yeah, that got me 22 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:28,840 scratching my head too. 23 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: Far? 24 00:01:32,879 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: Be it for me to suggest that a you know, 25 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,760 a twenty something year old in Charlotte is a foreign 26 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,840 policy expert. But look, I talk about all sorts of 27 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,480 stuff and I'm no expert on anything really, So who 28 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:50,879 am I right to judge? So she starts off with 29 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:56,040 this piece though peace through strength in quotes peace through strength. 30 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,680 We've heard this term, right, peace through strength. She says, 31 00:02:03,159 --> 00:02:03,959 I'm gonna read. 32 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:04,159 Speaker 1: This to you. 33 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:10,439 Speaker 2: And just listen to the full sentence. Okay, it's one 34 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:16,159 of those deliberately vague phrases that sounds like both a 35 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:24,319 euphemism and a paradox. A deliberately vague phrase that sounds 36 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:31,120 like a euphemism and a paradox. It does not actually 37 00:02:31,159 --> 00:02:32,960 sound like a paradox at all. 38 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:33,599 Speaker 1: And it. 39 00:02:35,439 --> 00:02:38,159 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I guess you could say it 40 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:41,319 could be a euphemism in certain circumstances. 41 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,879 Speaker 1: She says. She's repeated so many times that it's practically 42 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:51,120 lost all meaning? Has it? Though? Has it? 43 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: What's your understanding of the piece through strength axiom? I 44 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,400 have a pretty good understanding of what it means. I 45 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,520 understand it to mean that you build up your military 46 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:11,639 might aka your strength, You build up your economy aka 47 00:03:12,199 --> 00:03:17,800 your strength. Right, you build up a national ethos, a 48 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,360 pride in your country, so your citizens love their country 49 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:28,560 that strength, and that makes you not only less vulnerable 50 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,599 to aggression, but it also means that if you are aggressed, 51 00:03:34,919 --> 00:03:38,039 you can you can fight back and defeat. 52 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: Your enemies, right. 53 00:03:41,199 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: Or you know, it could be that you're projecting this 54 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,400 this strength outward and you are able then to translate 55 00:03:50,479 --> 00:03:55,360 that into diplomacy diplomatic efforts. And why would that occur 56 00:03:55,719 --> 00:03:59,159 is because people are afraid of you, right, That's the 57 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:03,080 whole point. People are afraid of your strength and how 58 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,479 you might use that against them because they are not 59 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,039 as strong as you are, so they don't pick fights 60 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,479 with you. They are more willing to go along with you. You're 61 00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:14,520 seen as strong, and they want to be They want 62 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,040 to be friends with a strong person or a strong 63 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:18,040 country in this case. 64 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 4: Right. 65 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,079 Speaker 2: So there are all sorts of ways that this manifests itself. 66 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:28,439 It's it's a it's more of a philosophy. It's not 67 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:30,439 strictly a it's not a policy. 68 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,519 Speaker 1: There's no law. It's it's it's just. 69 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 2: A way of being. It's to be strong. And I 70 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,800 think this might be where page masked in at the 71 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,600 Charlotte Observer where she doesn't really understand what this all entails, 72 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:48,199 because I feel like she thinks that we can just 73 00:04:48,319 --> 00:04:52,160 talk this stuff out sometimes and or not sometimes, but 74 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,319 like all the times, and no, you can't. 75 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:56,879 Speaker 1: All the time. 76 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: When when a when a wolf comes to your door, right, 77 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:08,560 it's not there to talk with you. So the way 78 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,360 that you prevent the wolf from coming to the door, 79 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,279 or maybe i'll say a bear, I'll use this analogy 80 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,759 and staid because bears they could seem cute and cuddly, right, 81 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,399 and they come to your door, but the next thing 82 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:22,720 you know, they learn how to open door handles and 83 00:05:22,759 --> 00:05:25,480 they rip open your fridge, they destroy your kitchen. 84 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:27,199 Speaker 1: Oh, and they may maul you to death. 85 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: Right, So you bang a bunch of pots and pans 86 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:30,800 and this sort of thing. 87 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're scaring them. So I guess that's some 88 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:37,040 bit of peace through strength. Because the bear runs away. 89 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,519 You haven't harmed the bear. 90 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,319 Speaker 2: The bear didn't destroy your kitchen, but you bang the 91 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:46,800 pots and pans loud enough and he runs away. Or 92 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,800 if the bear is not scared by your pots and 93 00:05:49,879 --> 00:05:54,519 pans banging, you may have to shoot the bear. This 94 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,040 does happen people cry about it. When I was up 95 00:05:58,079 --> 00:06:00,920 in Ashville, this occurred with a west Asheville bear that 96 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:03,319 everybody knew and loved. And then the bear went into 97 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,639 the front yard with a couple of toddlers playing, and 98 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,759 dad saw it and was like, oh hell no, and 99 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,279 shot and killed the bear, and people were really really 100 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:17,839 mad about it. See, that's also peace through strength. Here's 101 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:20,879 another one to go back to the wolves. Peace through 102 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:24,920 strength could also mean that you've got cattle out, and 103 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,040 you got a pack of wolves that are running all 104 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,160 around the area murdering all of your cattle, and so 105 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,680 you go out with a couple of your hunter friends 106 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,279 and you hunt and kill the wolves. You are stronger 107 00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:42,879 than the wolves. You kill all the wolves, and now 108 00:06:42,879 --> 00:06:46,720 there's peace. So I hope this has been helpful to 109 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:49,160 Page Maston. See, there are many different ways this can 110 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,199 manifest itself. This peace through strength phrases, as she calls 111 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,720 it a deliberately vague phrase, it's not actually deliberately vague. 112 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,920 It's an ethos it's a philosophy. I think most guys 113 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,519 understand this. I'm not trying to like I'm not being 114 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:06,560 like flippant about that. 115 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: I'm serious. 116 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,079 Speaker 2: Like I think I think most men understand what this 117 00:07:10,199 --> 00:07:11,040 concept means. 118 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,639 Speaker 1: I don't. That's just my guess. 119 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:18,519 Speaker 2: President Donald Trump, she says, insists that his bombing of 120 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:21,920 Iran is a perfect example of this so called strategy, 121 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,120 A so called strategy. Do you get the idea that 122 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,600 She's very dismissive of the concept of peace through strength, 123 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:32,839 she says, despite the fact that it stands in stark 124 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:37,120 contrast to the anti interventionist image he cultivated on the 125 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,399 campaign trail and to the peacemaker and unifier that he 126 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,240 promised to be. 127 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: Again. 128 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: This is one of those things, She's like, violence never 129 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:52,319 solves anything. Not true, It's actually not true. Sometimes violence 130 00:07:52,439 --> 00:07:58,120 does solve some stuff. War never solves anything. Not true, 131 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:04,279 Sometimes war does. Sometimes it ends in peace afterwards, you 132 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,959 know it does. You have a side that surrenders and like, 133 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,920 find fine, we won't fight you anymore, and then you 134 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,839 have peace. But you had to have a lot of 135 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,639 violence first, right, A lot of Dare I call it 136 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:19,959 strength first? See, it means different things in different situations. 137 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,600 I'm I'm not trying to sound patronizing here or like, 138 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:28,160 I'm not trying to condescend. I'm genuinely trying to inform 139 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:31,240 for others who may not understand what this philosophy might mean. 140 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:35,240 In fact, I went over and found some definitions for 141 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,240 what this could mean. This is actually from here you 142 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,799 go the political dictionary dot com. And if you can't 143 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:42,320 trust the political dictionary, and really, who can you trust. 144 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,519 Peace through strength is the accumulation of military power and 145 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:51,759 security assets by a country to encourage an amenable diplomatic 146 00:08:51,759 --> 00:08:53,240 atmosphere with other countries. 147 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: So what does that mean? 148 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 2: To encourage an amenable diplomatic atmosphere? Other words, the implied 149 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:06,639 threat is we will use this massive military power against 150 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,080 you if you don't engage in diplomacy. 151 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: I said this the other day. 152 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: If you you cannot say no without an implied threat 153 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:20,679 of force. Otherwise it's just a request. And you really 154 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,840 can't stop somebody from transgressing you. 155 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: You can't unless. 156 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: Because if they're willing to use force and you cannot 157 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,559 overcome that force, then you can't say no if they 158 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,879 want to use force against you. You know, Stories are powerful. 159 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,039 They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. 160 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,600 Stories connect us to the people of our past while 161 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,039 transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life 162 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,000 and our stories are told through images and videos. Preserve 163 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,480 your stories with Creative Video started in nineteen ninety seven 164 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,200 and Mint Hill, North Carolina. 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This was the 185 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:09,720 the I don't want to say strategy, but it was 186 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:13,240 sort of the promise that if the Russians or the Soviets, 187 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,519 I should say, if they launched nukes on us, we 188 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,240 would retaliate on them immediately and then do a second 189 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:23,679 strike and a third strike. And so the idea was 190 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,960 we would both blow each other up to the extent 191 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,360 that it was not worth it. 192 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. I'm just wondering if the lady that wrote this 193 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,240 article did any research back into what we used to 194 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,720 tell our enemies or potential enemies. Look, this is what's 195 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:46,919 gonna happen to you, right, you know. I mean, whenever 196 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,000 we come up with these phrases and whatnot that she's 197 00:11:50,039 --> 00:11:53,879 referring to. It's not for games, it's for it's a 198 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:54,600 real deal. 199 00:11:54,799 --> 00:11:56,159 Speaker 1: It's life or death. Literally. 200 00:11:57,519 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 201 00:11:57,799 --> 00:12:01,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're dealing with somebody who has a nuclear weapon 202 00:12:02,759 --> 00:12:06,840 or is you know, chanting death to you, and and 203 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,279 you're trying to convey to them if you do this, 204 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,519 it will be the last thing you ever do. That's 205 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,519 the threat, that is peace through strength, because the strength 206 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,360 is the threat and the belief that you will carry 207 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:21,200 through with it, and then they leave you alone. 208 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:21,879 Speaker 1: There's your piece. 209 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,519 Speaker 5: Maybe she should go back and do a little bit 210 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,039 of historical research. 211 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: Well, I mean she was a UNC Chapel Hill grad 212 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:34,399 so she probably didn't get any of this education. That's 213 00:12:34,799 --> 00:12:37,440 I kid, I kid the tar heels. Not really though, 214 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,600 all right, Walter, I appreciate the call man, David, Welcome 215 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:42,080 to the show. 216 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: Hey David Billo, Hey, how you doing it? Good sir? 217 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:46,159 What's up? 218 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 4: Well? I've been listening to this argument about what is it? 219 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:55,399 What is peace through strength? What I have to say 220 00:12:55,399 --> 00:12:59,120 about it is we have been attacked for twenty years 221 00:12:59,159 --> 00:13:05,720 by this come country called Iran, and we were strong 222 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,799 enough to do something about it, but we didn't because 223 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,279 we didn't have the same policy you're speaking of. I 224 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,960 agree one hundred percent with what you think that means. 225 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:21,000 And in my view, any enemy needs to respect the 226 00:13:21,039 --> 00:13:23,080 strength of its enemy. 227 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, unless if you don't. 228 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:29,039 Speaker 2: I mean, if you if our enemy doesn't respect our strength, 229 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,759 they'll just do whatever they want to us. 230 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:37,279 Speaker 4: That's correct. So you have very articulatively stated that. I 231 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,320 just want you to know I agree with that. Sure, 232 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,080 I also want to say that we have another little 233 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,120 twist to this that is not always there in a 234 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:50,039 way of enemies and how they hate each other. In 235 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:55,799 this case, the hatred is ideological and that is forever. 236 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,159 It doesn't go away, even if we beat them and 237 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,840 nuclears or whatever we beat them in, it doesn't go away. 238 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,799 After all, it's started back into six hundreds and it's 239 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,600 it's persistent all this time, and they openly state you 240 00:14:13,799 --> 00:14:18,480 are going to be destroyed by us. So that said, 241 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,240 I think we're dealing with more complexity than just an enemy. 242 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,919 Speaker 2: Oh h with one hundred percent agree, Yeah, yeah, I 243 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,720 one agree, Like this is not you're you're dealing with 244 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:37,200 a religion, a philosophy, an economic posture as well. 245 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,279 Speaker 1: That's part of Islam as well. But yeah, but here's 246 00:14:40,279 --> 00:14:40,600 the thing. 247 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:43,879 Speaker 2: That kind of reform has got to come from within 248 00:14:44,159 --> 00:14:45,039 Islam itself. 249 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:45,639 Speaker 4: Right. 250 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,679 Speaker 2: We can't force that kind of an enlightenment, uh, in 251 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,639 that faith. They have to come to that themselves to say, yeah, 252 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,720 you know what, I know there's some stuff in this 253 00:14:55,759 --> 00:14:57,600 book that kind of has been interpreted as you know, 254 00:14:57,759 --> 00:15:01,279 murder everybody, but we're not going to We're not going 255 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:01,679 to do that. 256 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: Anymore, right, and. 257 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,519 Speaker 2: If there comes a point that that they have this 258 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:09,919 kind of an enlightenment, then that has to come from them. 259 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: That we can't force that onto them. And that's what 260 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:13,360 I think. 261 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:15,879 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what became very clear to me over 262 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:17,960 the last twenty years with the Iraq War. It was 263 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,879 like they this is this is way more deeply rooted, 264 00:15:21,919 --> 00:15:24,399 deep seated, and like, that's that's not even anything to 265 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,080 speak of. The anti Semitism. I mean, you got people 266 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:32,000 in the Middle East that are otherwise learned, educated, very 267 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,279 nice people and all of this, but you mentioned the Jews, 268 00:15:34,279 --> 00:15:37,399 and it's just woo, you know, trips the trigger and 269 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,120 you know, anti Semitism in the Middle East is just 270 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,919 it's off the charts. So yeah, I don't know how 271 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:46,080 you combat that. But hey, David, I appreciate the call, man, 272 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,960 have a great weekend. I think it's it's this this 273 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:56,000 piece through strength philosophy that Paige Maston at the Charlotte Observer. 274 00:15:56,039 --> 00:15:57,960 And I don't mean to pick on her. I've never 275 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,320 met her, I don't know her. I'm just i'd the 276 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,840 peace and I'm like, Okay, she doesn't seem to understand 277 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:05,600 what this is all about. I'm not trying to be 278 00:16:05,679 --> 00:16:08,879 mean about it at all. I'm just trying to sort 279 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:12,759 of explain, like, for example, you get peace through strength 280 00:16:13,759 --> 00:16:19,799 when you show strength outward displays of strength, right, And 281 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:20,960 what does that mean? 282 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,519 Speaker 1: Well, I mean it could mean yeah. 283 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: Sending food and aid and recovery relief supplies after an 284 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:29,840 earthquake or something. Oh, look at you, you're so strong. 285 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:35,120 That would be soft power, right, you have allies, your 286 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:38,200 allies stand around you and like, hey, look at everybody. 287 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,519 We're all allied. Yes, sure, but the alliance doesn't mean 288 00:16:42,559 --> 00:16:45,480 anything if you don't, let's say, build militaries among all 289 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,879 of those countries, which, by the way, hat tipped to 290 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:51,919 Donald Trump yet again another foreign policy win here, he's 291 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,240 got NATO countries going up to five percent of GDP 292 00:16:55,399 --> 00:16:59,360 to their military. I'm old enough to remember when the 293 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,200 lefties and media, but I repeat myself that they were like, 294 00:17:02,279 --> 00:17:04,599 oh my gosh, he's gonna destroy NATO because he's a 295 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,000 putent puppet. Well how did that turn out? He was 296 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:12,160 trying to get him to just fund the two percent. 297 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,799 I think it was that they were required to fund 298 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:18,160 as part of a NATO alliance, they had to fund 299 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,359 two percent of their GDP for military and they weren't 300 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,839 doing it. They were just like free loading off of us. 301 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,519 And He's like, that's got to stop. And if you 302 00:17:29,559 --> 00:17:31,720 don't want to pay your two percent, then you know what, 303 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,440 we don't need to be doing this anymore. 304 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,839 Speaker 1: And everybody's like, oh my gosh, he's gonna destroy NATO. 305 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:38,559 Speaker 2: Is he destroying NATO or is it the countries that 306 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:40,839 haven't made their obligations destroying NATO? 307 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: And I would submit it to the latter. And now 308 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:44,400 all of a sudden, and. 309 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 2: Maybe it was, you know, Russia invading Ukraine and Trump saying, 310 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:48,880 you know, screw Zelensky. 311 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: I don't want anything to do with this guy. 312 00:17:50,279 --> 00:17:52,079 Speaker 2: He doesn't wear a suit whatever, which by the way, 313 00:17:52,079 --> 00:17:53,240 he did wear a suit to NATO. 314 00:17:54,559 --> 00:17:58,559 Speaker 1: Again, like Trump not only got these NATO countries to 315 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,240 go to five percent, he got Zelenski to wear a 316 00:18:02,279 --> 00:18:06,319 suit and he took out the Iranian nuclear facilities. 317 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 2: See this is the thing. Strength strength is displayed. Yes, 318 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:16,079 there is a perception of one strength. Like if I'm 319 00:18:16,079 --> 00:18:18,839 looking at my enemy and I'm trying to assess or whatever, 320 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,559 and I can observe things that I think make them strong. 321 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:28,240 But that's just observation, outward displays, and real world examples 322 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:34,400 of strength. Those are the most observable of all. And 323 00:18:35,079 --> 00:18:37,640 this may be lost on people who are suffering from 324 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,640 Trump derangement syndrome. But when we talked about the nature 325 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:47,519 of this bombing run on Iran, it is remarkable. It 326 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:50,640 has not been done. This kind of thing has not 327 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,759 been done before. From the size of the bombs, the 328 00:18:54,839 --> 00:18:59,160 number of the bombs, the precision of the attacks, the 329 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,079 fact that the Israeli's completely obliterated all of the israel 330 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:07,319 the Iranian air defense, like the length of the bomber mission. 331 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:13,880 It was an amazing feat. And I understand you hate Trump, right, 332 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,759 I get it, you really don't like the Orange Man. 333 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,920 But for America, if this guy ends up getting a 334 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:27,680 piece deal between Israel and Iran, you guys are going 335 00:19:27,759 --> 00:19:30,480 to have to just acknowledge that you've been wrong about 336 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:33,200 this stuff. All right, If you're listening to this show, 337 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,759 you know I try to keep up with all sorts 338 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:36,839 of current events, and I know you do too, And 339 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,720 you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why, Well, 340 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,440 because it's how you detect media bias, which is why 341 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,680 I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app 342 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,079 and it's a website, and it combines news from around 343 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,559 the world in one place, so you can compare coverage 344 00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:54,839 and verify information. 345 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,759 Speaker 1: You can check it out at check. 346 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: Dot ground, dot news slash pete. I put the link 347 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,079 in the podcast description too. 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I 356 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,960 use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. 357 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,920 Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it 358 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,119 also supports ground News as they make the media landscape 359 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,599 more transparent. So you know me, I am a giver, 360 00:20:39,079 --> 00:20:43,279 and so that's why I'm giving this sort of breakdown 361 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:48,920 on this philosophy Piece through Strength, because the deputy opinion 362 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:53,519 editor for the Charlotte Observer appears to be unclear what 363 00:20:53,599 --> 00:20:59,839 Piece through Strength means on dare I, Well, I will 364 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:04,440 say it. It's a spectrum. Okay, it's a spectrum. Strength 365 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,759 can mean different things in different situations, but. 366 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: The goal is always peace. So if you have. 367 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:22,319 Speaker 2: A theocratic, tyrannical terrorism funding regime that is calling for 368 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:28,799 your death, your annihilation, how do you get peace with them? 369 00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:32,839 Right when they want all of America to be wiped 370 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,720 off the map? How do you get peace with that 371 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:44,039 kind of a regime? Do you settle with like, say, okay, 372 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:47,480 how about half of America? In which case then I 373 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:50,759 do have some proposals to offer for states to be 374 00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:52,720 a No, I'm kidding, but like do you say, okay, 375 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,559 well just half of America or is it like a 376 00:21:54,599 --> 00:21:57,960 sixty to forty split? Do we do like a geographic breakdown? 377 00:21:58,079 --> 00:22:02,519 Like can you negotiate here? So again, like when they 378 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:05,599 say death to America, you all should die, wiped off 379 00:22:05,599 --> 00:22:09,480 the map, whatever, and we say no, how do you 380 00:22:09,599 --> 00:22:13,000 arrive at peace with that kind of. 381 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: A negotiating partner? Well, I would submit, you don't. You can't. 382 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: So you have to then make yourself so scary to 383 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,160 them that they will not try anything, and if they 384 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,519 do try something, then you will wipe them off the map. 385 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:32,799 Let's say, I'm not saying we should. I'm just like 386 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:37,720 that's but that's always as Rush Limbaugh always used to say, 387 00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:41,400 the world is governed by the aggressive use of force. 388 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: And you may not like it, and I may not 389 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:50,000 like it, but that is true. And we can negotiate stuff. 390 00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 2: And if people want to come to terms, and Donald 391 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,960 Trump wants to do deals, he wants everybody to get along. 392 00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:58,480 I do believe that. But if you have a negotiating 393 00:22:58,519 --> 00:23:03,160 partner that does not want to get along, then what 394 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:09,039 is the projection of strength? So she goes on to 395 00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:13,079 say that she's that these North Carolina Republicans are happy 396 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,039 to defend Donald Trump. The most absurd of the defenses 397 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,799 came Monday when Representative Pat Harrigan, who represents North Carolina's 398 00:23:20,839 --> 00:23:24,200 tenth congressional district, appeared on Fox News to discuss the 399 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,039 strikes on Iran. We're trying to this, what Harrigan said, 400 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:29,880 We're trying to lower the temperature of global conflict while 401 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,480 simultaneously kind of raising it here in order to lower it. 402 00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:38,839 Harrigan is a former Army Special Forces officer, and so 403 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,119 she says, what when you're trying to cool down your house, 404 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,720 do you turn up the heat before you blast the AC. Okay, 405 00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:50,720 that is a completely silly analogy. I don't know why 406 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,920 you would even make that reference. But here you go 407 00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:55,960 like I would. I would submit you don't turn the 408 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,400 heat up, but you would take the AC offline. Right 409 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:03,559 If your air conditioner is blowing air and it's not 410 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,000 cooling to the degree that you have said it to, 411 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,200 the AC repairment is going to shut it completely off 412 00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:15,799 first in order to fix it. Right off would be 413 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:20,240 worse than it blowing like eighty five degrees when you 414 00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:25,359 want it at seventy two. Off would be worse, but 415 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,799 only for a short period of time. You shut it 416 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:30,400 off in order to fix it. I think that's a 417 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,160 better analogy with the air conditioning. It's not an analogy 418 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,039 that I would have used. I'm just trying to fix 419 00:24:35,079 --> 00:24:36,920 the one that she presented. Or how about this one 420 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,519 she presents When your friends are fighting, do you intentionally 421 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:43,240 inflame the situation before trying to diffuse it? 422 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: Do you intentionally inflame? 423 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: Well, there's your assumption that this is inflammatory, and again 424 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:56,000 that's Western conceit that you see this as your friends 425 00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:59,880 are fighting. These aren't friends fighting. These aren't our friends fighting. 426 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:02,480 This is one of our friends fighting. Against somebody that 427 00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:04,440 wants to kill both of us. 428 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,279 Speaker 1: It's not our friends fighting. 429 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: So if we want the person that hates us and 430 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:14,720 our friend, if we want them to stop attacking our 431 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:18,640 friend and also us, by the way, you punch them 432 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,480 in the nose, right, that's what you do to bullies. No, 433 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:29,160 or you just hope that they stop. Please don't pick 434 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,440 on me anymore. And how well does that appeasement work. 435 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,759 The answer to that, of course, she says, is no. Again, 436 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:38,799 so these are straw man arguments. She just sets up 437 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,119 these ridiculous analogies so she can knock them down and 438 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,400 set them on fire. So it stands to reason, she says, 439 00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:47,920 it doesn't. Actually that raising the temperature of global conflict 440 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,440 may not be the best strategy if the goal is 441 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,480 to actually lower it. Yet, I would point out, if 442 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,000 you just look at the way things are developing, there 443 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:59,920 is a cease fire. They are both abiding by it. 444 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:04,559 Iran is actually talking about coming to negotiate. Why, because 445 00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:07,960 they have no more strength. They have no strength, and 446 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,720 so now they're going to throw themselves on the mercy 447 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,400 or at the mercy of us, rather than us throwing 448 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,640 ourselves at the mercy of them. See because they will 449 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,599 rely on our goodness and maintain the peace. See, that's 450 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:28,000 how that works with actors like Iran, that's what they respect. 451 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,440 You cannot nego. I mean, how else would you have settled, say, 452 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,319 World War two with Hitler? Right, how else would you 453 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,000 would you have done that? You had to punch the 454 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,599 bully in the nose. In Iran's case, you have to 455 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,200 eliminate their ability to defend themselves in the skies. They 456 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,160 have lost all air dominance. They have no air power 457 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,920 at all anymore, they've lost their nuclear program. They're worried 458 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,680 about being overthrown, and they just want peace now. They 459 00:26:55,799 --> 00:27:00,720 want it, See, because twelve or fourteen days they didn't 460 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,839 want it. Their entire regime has been mobilized for forty 461 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,279 years in order to fight the war against Israel and America. 462 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,279 So now they have a different opinion because they got 463 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,119 punched in the nose. So that's how you got to 464 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,160 the peace part, Peace through strength. She says, it's meant 465 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,680 to be a strategy of deterrence. 466 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:21,519 Speaker 1: True. 467 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 2: True, but at the core of that is an implied threat. 468 00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:31,039 Once again, the ability to say no carries with it 469 00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:35,519 an implication of force, because if they're like, we want 470 00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:37,519 you all to die, and we say no, but we 471 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,279 can't enforce that. And then like, oh, you have this 472 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:42,680 big military, I'm not going to do it. But they 473 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,759 don't care about the size of the military because they're 474 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,599 fighting in an asymmetrical way. How do you say no? 475 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,440 Just let them keep attacking, attacking, attacking, attacking for decades 476 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,759 and decades and killing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of 477 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:58,240 Americans over the course of decades. And that's okay, I 478 00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:03,440 guess is that peace? I would say no. Here's a 479 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,359 great idea. How about making an escape to a really 480 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,640 special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a 481 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,279 quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is 482 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,240 your connection. 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Question, since my Korea is 506 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,480 within striking distance of our allies South Korea, which I 507 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:39,599 was stationed here fifty years ago, why did we allow 508 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,079 them to chiminate such a large array of nuclear weapons 509 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,599 underre considered a roade nation. 510 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: So I think that was because China gave them the 511 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:49,240 nukes secretly. 512 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,839 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, what was that. 513 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:52,359 Speaker 1: China? 514 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:58,559 Speaker 2: Didn't China give them the nukes secretly? China gave them 515 00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:04,279 the bomb, right, Okay, right, so we and they did 516 00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:05,240 it secretly. 517 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 4: Right. 518 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 2: They gave North Korea the technology, They gave them all 519 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,240 that stuff. And I don't know what our intelligence apparatus 520 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:16,079 is like. I don't know what South Korea's intelligence apparatus 521 00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,799 is like at the time. So it's sort of like 522 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:24,640 Pakistan with aq Kahn, who got the nuclear technology in 523 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,680 secret stole it. 524 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Okay, yeah, you're welcome that. 525 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: I mean, that's my understanding of it, but I could 526 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,720 be completely wrong on that. Let me get to Frank. Hello, Frank, 527 00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:39,480 welcome to the show. 528 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,839 Speaker 6: Heugh, Yeah, I was just thinking. I was born in 529 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,240 nineteen forty nine. My dad was in the first Marine 530 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:55,319 Division on Okinaw after the battle, and if it hadn't 531 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,559 been for Harry Truman and the bombs, there would have 532 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:02,119 been no peace. I probably wouldn't be here because my 533 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,640 dad said he would have never made another battle like 534 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,279 Okanaala was, So that's pace through strands. 535 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good example of it. Frank, I appreciate 536 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,559 the call, man, Thank you, and have a great weekend. 537 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,599 This deputy editor at The Observer. She says, if Iran 538 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,039 had escalated the situation further and brought us even closer 539 00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:26,759 to war, would Trump's actions still be a success? 540 00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 4: Oh? 541 00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 2: Maybe not, but it did at least that's the way 542 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,039 it looks right now. Like this is what I mean. 543 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:37,200 People making predictions about whether this was the right call 544 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,720 or not the right call or whatever. Like, just let's 545 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:44,400 let things play out. I think at this point Trump 546 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,319 has earned a little bit of a benefit of the 547 00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,799 doubt on this stuff. He's been racking up quite a 548 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:57,400 few wins. She says that North Carolina Republicans should be 549 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,400 troubled that the strikes occurred without a consulting Congress and 550 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,200 therefore may not even have been legal. Okay, that's not true. 551 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,839 It was, and they did give a heads up to 552 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,279 members of Congress. She then says, peace through strength can 553 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:13,920 too easily shift into the Orwillian paradox of peace through war. 554 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:17,440 There's a reason why previous presidents never made the choice 555 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,240 that Trump did. I would submit that's because of the 556 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,160 progress of the nuclear program, and Trump's refusal to even 557 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,839 acknowledge the possibility of failure is what makes his behavior 558 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,000 so reckless. Well, now, that's that's part of the strength strategy, 559 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,680 is that you say, like, this is what we did right. 560 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,319 We made a tough choice, and we made the right choice, 561 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,720 and we'll do it again. That's the strength part. She says, 562 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,480 we can't bomb our way to peace, and just because 563 00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:47,680 we were lucky enough to avoid disaster this time doesn't 564 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,880 mean we always will. And you know, sometimes you actually 565 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,200 can bomb your way to peace. 566 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,319 Speaker 1: That is possible. Talk to the people in World War two. 567 00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you 568 00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:00,519 so much for listening. 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