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Speaker 2: I like to welcome the show John Jay Davis.
Speaker 3: Hey, John, Hey, Alex. I'm doing great. It's so good
to see you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on the show, my friend.
Speaker 1: I've been really looking forward to our conversation because, I mean,
I've spoken to probably on forty or fifty near death
experiencers at this point, but your story, your near death
experience is easily one of the most detailed of any
out there.
Speaker 2: So it's really really really looking forward to diving in.
Speaker 1: But before we dive in, I always let that's a question,
what was your life like prior to your near death experience?
Speaker 3: Prior to that, I was just I was raised a
Catholic and I was so yeah, I was in my
dad he loved to go to church, and we would
go to church sometimes two or three days a week
and then on Sundays also, so I was inundated with Catholicism.
And before I had my MD, I had never had
any experiences of any kind other than Catholicism. I was
twenty one at the time, and I was considering whether
or not going to college, going to school, and the
last thing on my mind was spirituality. I was I
had a hard time understanding Catholicism because the big thing
that I had a hard time with was the fear
of God that they put in you. You were supposed
to fear God, and I never really I never really
got that. So after I had my near death experience,
my entire life changed that way in terms of spirituality
and my views of religion. Like I have a hard
time considering myself to be a Christian, but I love
Jesus and I read the New Testament all the time,
but I have a really hard time with the Christian dogma.
So that's what my life was like before. I'm just
very much much more materialism, more interested in what I
was supposed to do with my life, because I really
had no clue at that point. So this NDE made
a huge difference for me, and it gave me a
solid direction to pursue. And ever since then, I have
been sharing my story. And something I'll mention to you
too is, you know, how when you hear other people's
near death experiences, a lot of times they come back
with some kind of a gift, like maybe the person
is maybe they have some psychic abilities, or or I
heard of one guy who was able to compose music,
or they can. Well I didn't have anything like that.
But the only thing I did have was, and I
think this has to be a god thing, I was
given one hundred percent memory recall of everything I saw.
So my experience happened in nineteen eighty seven. But to
when I tell the story, it's like I see everything
just like as if it happened yesterday. That's why I'm
able to remember so many details. So I think that
was just a gift that was given to me so
I could share my story to people and help help
them and give them hope. There's so much more than
what we see here on earth.
Speaker 2: Well, my friend, I am here to help you get
the word out. So let's divell it. Let's dive here.
So what happened on the day that you had your
near death experience?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I was.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: My dad had won a sales contest and he won
two mopeds. It's kind of like like scooters or moments.
They call them scooters now, but we used to ride
those on the weekends. So one day I was out
riding and I had an accident and I slammed into
a tree, and the way I landed, I tore the
tendons off my right hand and I had to go
and to have surgery. While I was twenty one, I
had never been in surgery before. I didn't know what
to expect. I'd probably been in a hospital just a
handful of time. It's not very often, so I had
no idea what was going to happen. So they give
me the IVY and they start to pump in the anesthesia,
and I had some kind of an allergic reaction and
it stopped my heart and I died. Well the very
second that I died, I opened my eyes again, and
I was standing in the most beautiful building I have
ever seen, And my very first thought was, oh my God.
I had no idea the hospital was as big because
the building that I was in it was a long, long,
corridor building, and I couldn't see the end of it.
It was so long, and there were columns on the
right hand side. Marble, beautiful white marble columns maybe thirty
feet high, all the way down as far as you
could see, and they were about five or ten feet
apart in the middle of this corridor like building where
these marble tables just regular marble rectangle or kind of
square tables, and there were marble benches on every single table.
And these tables went as far again as far as
you could see. And the most amazing part was what
was to my left, to the left of this building,
and we're like a marble al made of white, beautiful,
pristine marble. There were these tunnels that looked like they
were cut out of solid marble, and in the they were,
they corresponded to each table. So there was a marble column,
then a table, then these tunnels, and again they went
as far down as you could see. Each tunnel was
maybe five feet apart, and it was seven or eight
feet high, and it looked like it would been carved
out of the marble, solid ninety degree angles like we
have in a doorway. Well, I need to tell you
something else that happened here. This will look this will
kind of help me explain how this process worked. At
that point, right then I heard a voice in my
left ear and it said, my name is Alan, I'm
your spirit guide. Well I had no idea what that meant.
So I just went through this whole process and what
happened is my spirit guide took me to every place
at I'm going to I'm going to describe for your audience,
and he took me to the outside first of every building,
and then he took me to the inside. And I
like to tell people so they can have a kind
of a visualization. This building that I was in looks
like a temple in Turkey, the country Turkey, and it's
called the Temple of Artemis and it's a R T
E M I S. So if your listeners want to
google it, they can google it and see kind of
what I what I was shown. That's what this building
looked like. So anyway, everything I'm going to tell you guys,
it's from what my guide was telling me. He told
me everything I was seeing and what it was for. Well,
this building that I was in, he told me this
is the orientation center. And what's kind of different about
my experience. Have you ever You've probably heard a lot
of typical near death experience is where the person says
that they had an axe or they were in the
hospital and they found themselves floating above their bodies. Then
they become aware of a tunnel and at the end
of the tunnel is a white light. Well my experience,
I for some reason, I skipped all of that, and
they took me to the other side of that white light.
On what's on the other side of the white light.
As soon as somebody walks into it, they're there in
this orientation center and they come through these these tunnels
that were on my left. The tunnels connect people with
Earth to the other side. So when their lifetime is
finished on Earth, they cross through these tunnels and they
end up on the other side.
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Speaker 3: So somehow these tunnels are connected to Earth, and I
don't know how to works, but that's how people get
to the other side. So my guide told me to
look to my left at the next tunnel. So I
looked to my left and there was a gentleman coming through.
He was probably in his eighties or nineties, and he
had just finished his lights and he had his right
hand holding his chest like he was in pain. And
my guide said he died from a heart attack. So
he's coming through the tunnel. And at these tables that
I've mentioned, there are two people sitting at each table
on the other side, and my guide said, they are
orientation counselors. So their job is to help orientate people
back to the other side. And the reason they had
them is oftentimes when people come into lights somehow, and
I think this is a God thing also because I
don't understand how it works. But when we come into
a lifetime, our memory gets washed about the other side
where we're from, because we're not from Earth. Earth is
just the place of learning and growth and developing your soul.
But our real home is on the other side, where
some people liked to call it heaven. Some people call
it the afterlife. And so these orientation counselors help people
remember where they're really from. So the woman there was
a woman at a table I was looking. She stood up.
She walked over to this man and she took her
hands and his his, and she led him back to
the table and they sat down. The entire time she
was talking to him, she was holding his hands, and
my guide said, watch him. So as I was watching him,
his appearance began to change from a man who was
in his eighties or nineties to a man who was
in his thirties. And nobody told me why the age,
Why the thirties. But for whatever reason, we're in our
thirties and I don't know if it has to do
with that was the age that Jesus died. You know,
I have no idea, but we're in our thirties. So
that's what happens. During the orientation, they just talked them
about where they're from. You finished your lifetime here, you
are back on the other side.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Well, when he was done with that, he stood up
and he walked to the right, and he stepped down
three steps. Everybody's steps, everybody's they have called h was
between these orientation areas. So he stepped down and he
walked into what I call the gardens because it was
the most beautiful gardens you could ever imagine. They They
were like English gardens, just beautifully manicured, and the most
beautiful trees and flowers. And what I remember the most
was the grass. The grass was absolutely emerald green, just gorgeous.
And what happens is the reason that they go into
the gardens when they cross over is that's where they
have the reunions. Everybody that they've known in their lifetime, friends,
loved ones, family, you know, cousins, grandparents, everybody is there
waiting for them when they cross over and they have
a reunion. And it's a big deal. When somebody comes
back from a life on Earth. It's a huge deal
because what I was told is that Earth, this planet,
is the hardest of all of them. And I'll get
to that for your audience in just a minute. But
they have reunions and they welcome people back, and it's
a really huge, big deal. So that was the first
place he took me to was the Orientation center, and
I think that he wanted to show me how the
process actually works. You know, you die, your body dies
when it's your time to go going to the tunnel,
go pass the light. You're an orientation You have an
orientation session, then you meet with your family and relatives.
So that was the first part. The next place he
took me to was this building was square, or I
guess it was kind of rectangular square, and it had columns,
beautiful white marble columns all around the outside of it.
And I don't know why. A lot of the places
that he took me to looked like Greek buildings, but
they do. And the other side, that's not all that's there.
The other side is think of it like another planet,
kind of like Earth, but it's perfect. There's no wars,
there's no poverty, there's no hunger, there's no disease. It's
just a perfect world. What the other side is like.
And the place that he took me to was just
one specific area. So the next thing he took me to,
he said, it was going to take me to a
life review. And you and your audiences have probably heard
that before. And it was this rectangle building and we
went inside and it was around a round room, really large,
large round room, and on the top were these screens
like movie screens, all in a circle around the top,
and he said, this is your life review. And all
of a sudden, the screens lit up like they were
playing movies like it like I was in the theater,
and every screen that I could see had a different
aspect of my life. One was playing when I was
just a newborn, another one was playing when I was
an infant, another one was playing when I started elementary school.
And it went all the way through these every screen
had a different aspect of my life up to the
age that I was then age twenty one, and that
was a life review, and what you do in a
life review, the whole idea is to see if you
accomplished what you wanted to accomplish before you came into life.
Because none of us are accidents, none of it's random.
We all actually plan our lifetimes. And I'll get to
that in just a little bit too, So that was
the life review. The next thing he took me to
was kind of a square building. Again, it had marble
columns on the outside, and this part was really hard
for me to digest because I was raised Catholic. But
he took me to a building and it was another
It looked like a theater, just like the last one
in a life review, but this one had one screen,
like what our movie theaters look like. And what he
was showing me was past lifetimes. And this was really
hard for me to accept because I had never been
raised that way. But we actually do have past lifetimes
because we're eternal beings. You can have as many lives
as you want to. So anyway, he wanted to show
me three different lifetimes so that I would be able
to tell people when I came back that you know,
just like your audience life, past lifetimes really are real
and you learn from them just like you learn in
this life. Well, he showed me three of them, and
one was I was a monk and I had a
shaved head, I was probably in my sixties. I was
wearing a red kind of a gown, and my job
in that life was to teach kids about the monastery,
kind of like kind of like being a Buddhist monk.
The next life he showed me was I was a
shoe pedler in this village and I had a wheelbarrow
and it was full of shoes, and my job in
that lights was I fixed people's shoes, and i'd fix them,
taken back to my little shop, fix them and bring
it back to the people. The other life he showed
me was a fisherman. I had a little raggedy boat
and I was on a lake and I had a net,
and my job in that life was to help the
village with food by bringing in fish. So that whole
episode was to just show me that the past lifetimes
are real because we are infinite beings where there's no
end to knowledge. There's no end to learning, and you
learn for your entire existence. And one of the things
that I thought was so interesting is that we come
into life because we want to experience hardship, because that's
where we learn. Not all the time to we come
into experience hardship, but if you didn't want to experience anything,
you would stay on the other side. And you still
learn that way. But it's like trying to describe to
somebody what it's like to ride a bike. You really
can't describe what it's like, and they have to actually
do it, and once they do it, then they get it.
And that's kind of like while we come in here
to learn, so we do have a lot of different
past lifetimes. The next place he took me to, this
one was a little bit different. All of these buildings
were just enormous. I can't even just to iterate how
large they were, but they were all just enormous. And
this one was round. It was round, and it had
the marble columns going around in a circle, and it
had a dome roof. And we walked in and he
took me to a marble table and the table had
two scrolls on it, and if you could imagine what
papyrus scrolls looked like. They look they look kind of
like that. They were rolled up, and there were two.
One had a blue ribbon and the other had a
red ribbon. I don't know what the significance was of that, but.
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Speaker 3: So I picked up the moment the blue ribbon unwrapped
it and I unfolded it on the table, and immediately
I could see all of this writing, and it was
in black lettering, and it looked like it looked like
it was in calligraphy. You know how you take those
pens and you dip them in ink and then you
write with that. That's that's what calligraphy is. It looked
like that. Well, when I went to try to read it,
it's folded up again, and I was told that I
wasn't able to read about my life because it might
interfere with what I was going to accomplish in this life.
And what they wanted me to learn and to share
was that our lifetimes really are planned out. We plan
what country we're going to live in, we plan what
language we're going to learn, who our parents are are
we going to go to college or not? What kind
of career are we going to have? All that stuff
goes into it as well as what we wanted to
learn and accomplish and what our goals were. And that's
what the life review was to show you that, you know,
you really do have goals and you want to see
how you did. So everybody has these scrolls and they're
all kept in these in this beautiful round building. And
I don't know why, but we always go to this
building to plan our next lifetime and our guides help us.
Our guides help us plan what we want to accomplish.
Do you want to learn more about compassion? Do you
want to learn more about love? Or These are the
main themes that people have when they come into in life.
What do you want to accomplish? And you plan them
in this huge building. Well, when I looked to my left,
there was this enormous window and I looked out and
I could see and this is the first time that
I saw a bunch of other people. A bunch of
people were walking back and forth along this walkway and
wherever he took me to on the other side, it
was it was really busy. There were tons of people
walking back and forth, and every race was there, every ethnicity,
every color. People were short, some people were tall. They
look just like we do. And what I noticed immediately
was that everybody had bodies. Some people that I've read
about say that we only are like or energy, that
we float around, but that's not what my experience was like.
I saw everybody just like you see people. They look
just like us. Their bodies are different, their their bodies
are somehow they're They're better than our earthy bodies. They're stronger,
they're lighter, they don't get sick, they don't age, and
I don't know what they're made of, but they are
as solid as we are. So I saw them walking
back and forth, and one of the most beautiful things
I saw was there was a lake on the other
side of this of this building. It was absolutely the
most beautiful lake I'd ever seen. It was so steell,
looked like glass, and all around this lake they had
weeping willow trees, you know those trees that have the
weeping willows that hang over all the leagues were just
sitting in the water. It was just it was just gorgeous,
a picture perfect. And then he took me to another
place inside this building, and they wanted me to tell
people about this. You've probably heard the term soulmates. Soulmates
are actually real. We when we when we were created,
God created all of us with a perfect mate. It
was with us for eternity. But the perfect mate that
we have on the other side doesn't always come into
a lifetime with us. Because one of the things that
you learn in a lifetime you learn from having relationship
and chips. Whether it's a girlfriend, boyfriend, marriage, whatever it
might be, you learn a lot. And if I look
back in my life, the most most of the things
that I learned came from experiences that were kind of painful,
but that taught me a lot. And on the other side,
when you have your perfect mate, you don't always necessarily
learn a whole lot that way. So be coming to
life normally without our soulmates. And here was a really
cool thing this building. If you could, if you could
imagine a gigantic, enormous library of Encyclopedia Britannicas. All these
books were on bookshelves and they were all the same color,
kind of like broon, kind of purplish maroon, and each
one had gold lettering that wasn't going horizontal, it was
going down. And what my guide took me to was
my soulmate's book. And the books contain everything about our lifetimes,
all of our past lifetimes, what we learned, who we became,
everything is in these encyclopedias. And the writing goes down,
up and down, and my writing said Nna, and it
was Nina. My soulmate's name is Nina. And he just
wanted to show me that everybody has one, so don't
always be so concerned about trying to find your soulmate
in life, because many times you won't because that person
is still on the other side. So that was this building.
It was absolutely just a gorgeous building and up just beautiful.
The next place he took me to was a stadium,
just like a football stadium or a soccer stadium we
go to see a sporting event. He took me to
the inside had thousands of seats, just thousands of seats
that people could sit in. But when I was there,
it was completely empty. Nothing was in there at all,
just the seats and my guide, well, there was a
gentleman behind me, and his job on the other side
was to run this building. Do you remember when you
were a kid, you used to go to the planetarium.
Remember what those were, of course, Yeah, Well I was
in a planetarium on the other side, but it was
huge among us, just gigantic, and the gentleman behind me
he ran this planetarium and he said, let's begin. So
the lights went off, pitch black, and I sat down
and he started showing me on the ceiling and what
he said to me was the first thing he said
was when you look at the stars, this is what
you see. And what it was referring to was people
on Earth, people's perspective. Here, when we look at the stars,
this is what we see. And he started showing our
solar system, started showing the planet Jupiter, then Saturn, than urinets,
then net to all of our Solar system and including
Earth and our son. Then he said to me, when
we look at the stars, this is what we see,
and what it was referring to was everybody who is
on the other side their perspective. And he said, well,
when we look at the stars, this is what we see.
And he started showing me, first planet after planet, then
dozens of planets, then hundreds, thousands, then millions and millions
of planets, and he told me there was far more
life in the universe than you possibly know. And the
cool part is that Earth it's not the only it's
not the only planet. There are millions of planets, and
not just that, but we can have lifetimes on any
of them there are on Earth. We've always thought that
Earth is the only inhabited planet. It's not, and we
can have lifetimes on other planets all over the universe.
So that absolutely blew my mind. I love astronomy. In fact,
I love it so much. I tried to take an
astronomy class in college, but I had to drop it
because I could not understand the math it was trying
to calculate distances from stars. It was just too hard
for me. But I love astronomy, and that was just
such an extraordinary I think that was one of my
favorite parts of my whole experience was that planetarium. The
next thing it took me to. This building was a
little bit different. Again, it was a rectangle and it
was so long again I couldn't see the end of it.
But it was the biggest building so far, and it
didn't have columns on the outside. It only had columns
these marble, white columns on the front, and it looked
like our Supreme Court building in Washington. It looked like
that with the columns in the front, and it had
a whole bunch of steps leading up to the top. Again,
everything was white, beautiful marble. So it takes me inside
and it's a library and there's huge thirty maybe thirty
forty foot bookcases full of books all the way down
as far as you could see.
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Speaker 3: And again it was full of people. People were studying
at these different tables. People were talking to each other,
there were people looking for books, and just a huge library.
And he took me to an area on the left
hand side of the library, and what they looked like
it was like looking like rooms that you can study,
study rooms off every line. You know, libraries today have
study rooms. That's kind of what they looked like, maybe
the size of a person's average bedroom. I walked over
and I looked in and there was a woman who
was She had her back to me. She had jet
black hair, jet black hair down to her waist, and
she was wearing like a purple gown or a purple
robe of some kind. And she was looking at what
we would call today as a really big flat screen
TV mounted on the wall. And my guide said she
was watching history. So I looked at what she was watching,
and she was watching a battle that took place between
the Native American Indians, the planes tribes like the Lakota,
versus the US cavalry. And he said she was watching
this as it happened. And I thought to myself, how
is that possible because nobody had video cameras two hundred
years ago. How could she be watching something that was
that it happened. And he told me everything is recorded,
and this this has to be a God thing. Also
because I have I cannot comprehend how it's possible that
everything is recorded, but it is. That's why when we
have our life reviews, you're able to see everything about
your life. It's somehow in God's mind, it's recorded.
Speaker 1: Well, can I stop you for a second, because, yeah,
you said something very interesting.
Speaker 2: You said that she was watching it as it was happening.
But that was the past.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, let me let me back up. It wasn't
like she was watching it as it happened. Now, she
was watching it as it as history happened.
Speaker 1: So she was she was basically watching a documentary of
past event in your in your current timeline, in a
time period that was not capable of having any footage recorded.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's exactly correct, exactly. So what I learned is
that anything that you want to learn about, whether it's
a battle or someone in World War two or the
Titanic sinking, anything that you want to learn about, you
can go to these rooms off the library and you
can watch history as it really happened. There is such
an there's a I think all of us are hardwired
to want to learn. So the place that he took
me to was the place that people learned. They come
to learn, to experience and to grow. And what's so
cool about the other side is that anything you love
to do on Earth you can do there. You can swim,
you can height, you can go to music festivals, you
can paint, you can write, you can anything that you
love to do you still do over there. So and
that was just the most extraordinary part for me.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a question, because everything you've
been talking about in your experience so far has very
earthly ties, meaning that there's obviously everything from the buildings
to what you're talking about now, it's all earthly based.
We have all reference points to all of this. So
my question to you is are the things on earth
built like things on the other side or is it
vice versa because you are coming from Earth and everything
was constructed for you to be to be more comfortable
and kind of customized for you and your experience, or
we just inspired Like you said, books and libraries, these
are all things that we you know, eventually designed here
or we're given that information here, and auditoriums and the
screens and all.
Speaker 2: This kind of stuff. So is it the chicken or
the egg? What came first?
Speaker 3: In a sense, that's a great question. From what I
was told, everything that's on the earth now was on
the other side first. The idea of the pyramids was
from the other side. The idea of these beautiful Greek
Roman buildings. The architecture is so beautiful that the inspiration
came from the other side. It was over there first.
And I can't and I'll mention it to you in
a couple of minutes, something else have happened. Okay, So
that the library, here's the part that I think we'll
answer your question better. He took me to a castle,
and a castle just like in medieval Europe. They were
built out of stone, beautiful, gorgeous stone. It was perfectly cut,
just like the castles were backed and huge, and he
told me to walk inside. So I walked inside, and
immediately there was a gorgeous red ornate carpet on the
floor of the castle, and huge walls on my right
and my left, and there were life size paintings of
kings and queens and people of royalty who had lived
in that castle, and there were life size paintings of
what they looked like and also what they wore. And
in front of every single painting there was a podium,
and on the podium was a book, and what it
was was that person's life was in that book and
the reason this castle existed. And there were many many
castles there because they were on Earth. So what was
on Earth is also replicated on the other side. And
so if you wanted to learn about a particular time
in Earth's history, not only could you go to libraries,
but you could also go to places like this where
you could see the structures of what it was like
on Earth. And the book was on each one of
these podiums contained that person's lives, everything about that person's lives.
So if you wanted to learn about King George, for example,
you could go you could go into castles. You could
see what he looked like, what the clothing was like,
and then you could read about them and something else.
You know how a lot of these castles had those
rounds on stairwells that took you to the second floor.
This hass Will had that too, And right about then
there was a woman that started walking down the staircase.
She had strawberry blonde hair, and she was wearing kind
of a peach colored gown or a tunic, oh something
else that I forgot to mention. Everybody dresses however they want.
But a lot of people like to wear gowns in
tunics because they they're the most comfortable, they said. But
people wear jeans and t shirts, whatever you want to wear.
So she walks down and she walks up to me,
and she says, can I help you find anything? And
Alex I still to this day kicked myself because of
what I said to her. Here I was on the
other side, I'm supposed to be having surgery. What is
going on. Well, instead of asking her that, you know what,
I said said, Oh, no, thanks, I'm just looking. That's
that's not just a Walmart.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 2: You're not in a Walmart man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's exactly. What in the world did
I say that for? I could have asked her anything,
but I did I didn't. I didn't know what to say. Well,
my guide told me that you know how people people
have jobs on Earth because they need to pay bills.
You know, they've got mortgage, rent, utilities. You know, we
all have to have money and we go to jobs. Well,
the other side doesn't have that kind of economics. They
they work at things they love to do. And this girl,
what she loved was this particular era of Earth's history.
She was what we would call a scholar. So if
you wanted to learn about this particular time time period
on Earth, you could go to these castles and read
about their experience what it was like. Or you can
go to these viewing rooms that were in the library
where you can go and talk to someone like her
who is an expert on that era of history. So
that was just phenomenal. Anything you want to learn, Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this from I mean, and again
from talking to so many near death experiences and even
spiritual uh you know, masters and gurus about spirituality and
ancient texts and things like that, the concept I heard
was that there is a universal knowledge that people can
tap into. The universal knowledge like the library you were
saying with everyone's lives sounds like the Acashak records in
a physical form of one way, shape or form. But
we have the ability on the other side to tap
into any information we might want or need to or
interested in. Kind of like you know, quantum physics. Oh,
here's quantum physics, and explain everything to you and you'll go, oh,
and you couldn't articulate it, but you understood it all.
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and now back to the show. You know, if someone
explained it to you on the other side. So it
kind of is interesting what you're saying is like it.
I'm not sure how that meshes with what you're saying.
So have you have you talked or heard about that
or puts your feelings on that?
Speaker 2: For me?
Speaker 3: You know, the I had never heard the term at
Kishak records before, but when I when I one time,
I was in an event and we were talking about
that library that I saw, and I got the impression
that everything you would ever want to learn study read
about was inside that library. And this person told me,
it sounds like you were inside the Kishak records. And
the only thing that I can equate that with is
that's God's knowledge. Everything was there, Everything was in that building.
But I don't know about a universal knowledge because all
the other planets have their own evolutionary scheme also, just
like Earth. So I don't know if that library held
all the information about the other worlds or was that
only about life on Earth. So that I don't know.
That's a that's a really good question. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, yeah, because it's not like when I've heard
these concepts of universal knowledge, it's they can access universal knowledge,
but it's always in regards to the earthly realm. I've
never heard anyone say, oh, we do you want that
advanced spaceship on planet B set.
Speaker 2: And five here, Like I never heard that before.
Speaker 1: But I was just curious about that idea, because again,
everything that you're saying is very earth.
Speaker 2: Like in its experience and the way.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, that was my biggest, one of
my biggest questions. I always ask for people from that
go to the other side. It's like, what do you
do as their bars?
Speaker 2: Do they hang out between laws?
Speaker 1: I was like, are the dances? And you're saying, no,
you do whatever you want. You can go to music festivals.
So when you said music vessels, and I'm like, so
you mean to tell me there's concerts with Michael Jackson, Prince, Yeah, Elvis.
Speaker 3: You know, Jimmy, Jimmy Hendricks.
Speaker 2: Jimmy Hendrix.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a hell of a woodstock going on
in the other Yeah, and then Mozart and Beethoven are
there as well.
Speaker 3: Like it's like it's in what they told me was like,
it's it's like a Harry Potter experience for adults, or
it's it's a it's a paradise. It really is an
absolute paradise. And there are a lot of people who
don't want to come here because coming here is just
so much different than what it's like on the other side.
But people want to learn to they want to learn,
they want to grow, and so they do choose to
come into lifetimes. And I cannot wait to get back
because you knew who I want to meet I want
to meet Bruce Lee. Of course I was, you know,
I did a lot of martial arts, a lot of
charate I would just I would just love to meet him.
And he said something that I have in one of
my journals. He said, there are no limits, only obstacles.
I thought, wow, I absolutely love that, and there are
there are just a lot of people I want to meet.
I just can't wait to get back. So that was, yeah,
go ahead, no continue content. So that was the That
was the castle. And here's here's the last part. My
guide took me to a field and if you if
you can imagine the most gorgeous, beautiful wild flower field
you've ever seen, golden hills, flowers, I mean, just beautiful.
So he took me there and then he left. My
guide left and I was just standing there by myself,
and all of a sudden, a man showed up in
front of me, and I could see his hair. He
had brown hair, I could see his hands, I could
see it. He was wearing a white robe or a
white tunic with a golden sash around the waist, and
he had gold colored sandals on that laced up his calves,
and he was different than everybody else because I couldn't
see his face. There was so much light or energy
coming from him that I couldn't make out what he
looked like. And my mind said to me, or somebody
said to me, this is Jesus. And he spoke to
me and he said, you must tell them there is
no death. And right after he said that, I woke
up back in the hospital and I asked, and everybody
was looking down at me. You know how they look
at you, and you're like, well, what happened to this guy?
I said to the surgeon, I said, what just happened?
Because I was trying to see if he could explain
to me where I was was what just happened to me?
And that's when I found out that I died. He said,
we'd lost you. We lost you for seven minutes, and
I couldn't believe it was only seven minutes because it
seemed like it was an hour or more that I
had this experience. And one thing I want to tell
people that more than anything, I want people to know
that there's tremendous hope that because you lost somebody, you
lost a friend, or God forbid, you lose a child,
or you lose a spouse, they're not really gone, they're
just in another place that we can't get to get
but that in the end, when your lifetime is finished,
you go back. And the strangest thing is that when
you get back and you're with your loved once again,
it's like no time had passed, because on the other side,
there's no such thing as time like we have here.
And I don't know how to explain that any better.
But a lifetime for them is like a month or two,
whereas for us a lifetime can be eighty ninety years
or more. So for them, when they leave, they do
grieve for us, but it's not the same as we
grieve for them, because from their perspective, we're going to
be back in just a short while. So that was
my experience. That was my whole near death experience. And
I just want your audience to know that there's hope
and there's so much more to look forward to, so
much more than what we know, and God is real.
Speaker 1: Now, I want to go back for a second, when
you were in your life review room, did you feel
the perspectives of both both yourself and somebody else during
that year?
Speaker 3: You know what I have I have. I don't think
there was enough time for them to show me that.
But I know that as part of your life review,
you feel what other people feel like, if you feel
like if you hurt somebody, you feel what that person felt.
But I didn't actually experience that. I don't know why.
I think maybe because I didn't have the opportunity to
have a whole life review. They just wanted to show
me that people do have life reviews, that they're they're real.
But each one of these places he took me to it,
it just seemed like it happened so quickly that there
wasn't enough time. They just wanted to show me. You
have to tell people what this is, tell them that
this happens, tell them that this is real, tell them
that you know. Because because this experience it wasn't for me,
it was for me to share it. So that's what
I've been doing, yeah.
Speaker 2: Ever since. So, so I have to ask you. Then
you're twenty one. Yeah, and in the eighties, eighties, I.
Speaker 1: Guess eighty seven yep, so near death experiences are all
the rage. Everyone's talking about them in that time period.
Speaker 2: I'm being fatatious. Nobody does. And if you say.
Speaker 1: Something like this publicly, you're pretty much this guy's alone.
So what did you do with this information?
Speaker 2: When did you.
Speaker 1: Decide to come out of the closet, if you will?
And then when you did, what did your parents and
friends and you know, colleagues, what do they think about this?
Speaker 3: You know, it's that that's a that's a great question.
It took me the better part of the day and
a half before I realized what had happened, and it
was my mom. I told my mom what happened because
I didn't I still at that time, had no idea.
I was very Catholic, and I just didn't know what
had happened. And she gave me a book. And I'm
sure you've heard of this author named Raymond Moody. He
wrote a book called Life After Life that was published
in nineteen seventy five. And I've read through that a
lot of it, and I realized, oh my gosh, this
is what really happened. And I made the decision to
start sharing my story. Surely thereafter, but I got to
tell you for two months afterwards. After I realized where
I was, I went through a horrible suicidal depression for
two months.
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Speaker 3: Because I mean, it was so bad I wouldn't get
out of bed. That's how. Because I could not believe
that I would have to be here on this planet
for another many many years before it was my time
to cross over. I just didn't see how could I
make it here knowing what life is really like back home.
And that took me a couple of months to realize,
Oh my gosh, John, how are you going to do that? Well,
when I realized that, Jesus told me he didn't say,
you know what, John, I would like you to go
ahead and do this. Do you think you can do
this with your lifetime? He didn't say that. He said
you must tell them there is no death. So right
away I started telling people, anybody that would listen, And
I think for a long time I just took it
for granted that what I saw. But when I tell people,
that's when I start to realize, you know what, John,
you really did have a pretty remarkable experience. A lot
of people's in their death experiences aren't that detailed, so
it wasn't for me. It was for me to share it.
And I don't know why they they did that for me?
I don't. I still don't know, because I'm not I'm
not Oprah, I'm not you.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not. I don't have a podcast, I
don't have I don't even have a website, you know,
I don't have anything like that. So if they wanted
to get this message out, why wouldn't they give someone
Tell Tell, someone who had a huge audience. So I
don't know. I've just tried to share it whenever whenever
I can, And now that my story is a little
bit more public, I have the ability to share it
with others, and hopefully my experience gives them the kind
of hope that it gave me that there was so
much more. God really exists, He actulutely, He really and
truly loves us. And here's something else that I don't
know how to explain either. It was just a God thing.
But on the other side, you can feel how much
God loves you and how much He cherishes you. On earth,
we don't feel that. It's somehow like I don't know
if we're too far away or what it is, but
we just don't feel it here. So on the other side,
it's I just can't I can't wait to get back
and experience that. So all I've been doing in my
life is trying to share it to anybody who listen.
Speaker 1: Now, I mean, it sounds to me that obviously this
was planned. You planned this prior to coming out. You're like, Okay,
you're gonna die at twenty one, You're gonna get this thing.
This is part of your life plans as it goes.
At least it makes sense that's the case.
Speaker 2: But you're right in the sense that this was not
for you.
Speaker 1: It was for others to hear, because every near death
experience I've heard had a personal touch to it, meaning
that you've gone off track, you need to come back, contract,
you can go, you can leave, Do you want to leave?
Do you want to stay? There's so many you know,
there's things that you got to work out. Some people
created a hell because she was Catholic and she had
to go down and go through that and get safe.
Speaker 2: There's so many things, but it's all personal. Yours is
not personal at all.
Speaker 1: You are being told you're you basically took it to
our heaven and they're like, take some notes, you're going
to go back. This is basically why you're here, and
it didn't seem like there was There was nothing personal
about your your experience, which is not a bad thing.
It's just very unique in the in the near death experience.
Speaker 3: Ohays, before I forget, I want to I want to
tell your audience one more thing. This just maybe want
to cry. All of our animals make the transition just
like we do. Sure, and when we get back, they're
all there and we never have to lose them again.
You know, all of your animals, your cats, your dogs,
whatever animals you have, they're there. And that's that was
something I thought was just extraordinary.
Speaker 2: They have heard that as well from others.
Speaker 1: Now, one thing I wanted to ask you, Maybe you
have the answer to this, Maybe you don't, but you
were saying that everyone, you know, if.
Speaker 2: You want to learn, you can evolve on that side.
It's just slower.
Speaker 1: And again I've heard that from multiple people, both spiritual
those spiritual gurus and near death experiencers who say that
you can learn on the other side. But it's kind
of like, you know, you can't really know what swimming
is until you jump into the water. I can talk,
I can tell you all about swimming but jumping in,
you got to jump in and swim yep. And I
heard one one near death experiencer. He was actually a
pre birth experiencer, so he actually remembers his pre pre
birth like the setup to going into his life, like
the whole laying out the plan or the whole thing.
And he said that he remembers as himself as a
soul running into another soul and saying, Holy God, what.
Speaker 2: Are you doing.
Speaker 1: You look like kind of like like you met somebody
who went to the gym a lot.
Speaker 2: He's like, like, God, you look amazing. How'd you lose
all that weight? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: And the other soul said, oh, I went to earth,
and he's like, man, I want that.
Speaker 2: Where can I sign up.
Speaker 1: To go down to earth? He's like a and ain't easy, brothers.
Make sure you be careful what.
Speaker 2: You wear so you can learn a lot when you're
down there.
Speaker 1: And that's how he started. Is one of the memories
he had from past lives. So it was really interesting now.
But you're saying on the other side, you can learn
and grow and if you're interested in stuff, But you
really evolved down here from my studies in ancient Vedic
texts and things like that and Yogic philosophies where you
evolved to a certain place, like Jesus or Buddha or
ascended masters get to a certain place.
Speaker 2: Is that the point of.
Speaker 1: Being on the other side, or you have to come
down here to obviously ramp up and like supercharge your
evolution when you're down on Earth or in any physical experience,
but Earth is the biggest, apparently the Yale and Harvard
of this experience.
Speaker 2: Do people want to evolve past a certain place or
they just want to just chill and enjoy paradise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. People they don't have to
have a lifetime if they don't want to, right, it's
all of it is completely and totally up to them.
Nobody has to have a life anywhere. In fact, what
they told me was that there are many who have
been incarnated on Earth, but they've gone to other planets,
but you don't have to. In the place that he
took me to it it was almost like being on
a college campus. You know how all the buildings are
in one area on a campus. That was kind of
like what my experience felt like. You have this building
where you did this, you have this building where you
did that. You have this rumas what the library is,
this is where the planetarium is. But yeah, nobody has
to come in if they don't want to. It's just
a matter of experience and what I've learned in my life,
and I think this is why people choose to come here,
is you really do learn the most when you go
through something painful, because and I think, you know, have
I ever learned anything when everything was going perfect? And
you probably still learn But if you go through something,
you know, you go through a divorce or you have
a breakup, or you lose a job, or you know,
you lose a family member, that's horrible. But when you
get to the other side of the grief, you've become
more than what you were before, and you can take
that knowledge with you. There was a great quote that
I just love from Denzel Washington and he said, you'll
never see a hearse or you'll never see a U
haul behind a hearse, And I just love that because
no matter what you have in your life, whether it's
money or things or possessions, none of that don't you
don't take anything with you. The only thing you take
with you is the love, the knowledge, the learning, and
that stays with you. So I just thought, you know,
it is worth it to come into life to learn.
And once you get on the other side of the grief,
you've become more and that's that's the purpose for it.
Speaker 1: And and did and were so did your parents and
your friends when you started talking like this, what happened?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Did they accept it? Did they not accept it?
Speaker 3: I to this day, I still haven't told my dad,
but my.
Speaker 2: Mom, I'm assuming he knows. I mean, you're public at
this point.
Speaker 3: He might I don't know, but I know that he wouldn't.
He wouldn't believe it, sure, because he is. He is
such a staunch Catholic. And that's that's fine. Maybe maybe
one day I'll be able to share it with him.
He's just he's not at a point now where because
he still goes to church. He goes to Catholic church
probably two or three times a week still and then
on Sunday my mom. My mom knows all about it.
People I have told a lot of people will tell
me that, you know, there's there's no reason why they
don't believe my story. But there are a lot of
people who don't a lot of people say, it can't
be as good as you portrayed it, and I tell
people it's better. It's so much better than how I
can describe it. You know, I don't even have the
words to describe what it was really like. But most people,
most people question what happens after death. It's the number
one human fear is dying, I think there, I think
the number. I think the two number.
Speaker 1: Or the two public speaking, public speaking, and yes, exactly
if public speaking is number one, actually, and then there's
a fear of time, yeah, exactly. Will be right back
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Speaker 3: So I think a lot of people, well, it's something
that they think about, you know, what happens when we die.
So my story, I just always shared it, and most
people are really open to it because they want to
know too what happens.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's that, you know.
Speaker 1: Ever since I opened up this channel and I started
talking to you know, souls like yourself and all the
other people that I have on the show, people are
super curious, and more so now than.
Speaker 2: They were in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's so much more openness about you know,
in the eighties it was near basically Sherlan McLain talking
about near death experiences. Yes, she was, and she was,
you know pretty much, she's the whack job. She's a
Hollywood whack job, is what they were calling her back then.
Speaker 2: She took a big leap.
Speaker 1: Doing that for a lot of people and kind of
brought it into and then Oprah did a whole lot
of work on bringing near death experiencers and channelers and
mediums these ideas that were really taboo almost and now
people not only are curious about it, they're searching for
these shows. There's searching to hear it. And really interesting
thing about what you said about your father is the
ideas that he has basically built, isn't history that he's
told himself, is the foundation of his entire existence.
Speaker 2: If he would even entertain the idea of.
Speaker 1: What you're saying, it would destroy the foundation that he
has built his entire life on, and exactly would be
so difficult for a human being to deal with, especially
at an older age, it's so much harder.
Speaker 2: And that's where.
Speaker 1: I you know, when people you know, comment or things
like that on on episodes that I do, it's like
when you challenge their belief system it's their foundation. It's
what that's what they've the story they've told themselves to
make sense of the world. And it could be religion,
it could be politics, it could be eating meat, it
could be mac.
Speaker 2: A PC, it could be anything. And that's why. I mean,
you saw the I don't know if you're a macro
Apeace see a guy. But why God, people get really
like he sees the way.
Speaker 1: Mac is the way, and they because it's the foundation
of their It's one of the pillars of their foundation.
For whatever reason, it's it's fascinating, but a lot of
people listening and want them to understand that that if
people around them don't get it, it's that's the reason why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, one hundred percent agree. And I think
my dad is he he's an old marine and he
is very very set in his ways. In fact, he
he always encourages me to to go to the Catholic Church.
He's always telling me that why don't you go, why
don't you go back to Catholic Catholic Church. So I
know that he wouldn't be open to it yet, but
I'm hoping one day maybe I'll be able to share
it with them.
Speaker 2: One day, one day. It's it's it's everyone's on their
own path, my friend. Everybody is on their own path,
and everyone's you know.
Speaker 1: And what's really fascinating, I'm sure I don't know if
you've run into this or not, but people who even
disagree with you. A seed is planted, Yes, its seeds planted,
and it might not flourish in this life, or it
could five or ten years later, because it starts the
question like you and I had the same same I mean,
I was raised Catholic, I'm recovering Catholic and uh, and
these same questions I had that didn't make sense, the
fearful God, the you know, thirty years.
Speaker 2: Of what happened to Jesus? You know, foreign YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: He's the same, Yeah, what what what happened in the
YadA YadA YadA. These basic understandings were questions that I had,
and I and all those little questions started those little seeds.
Speaker 2: Eventually they overtook the garden and.
Speaker 1: I was like, this doesn't make any sense for me anymore.
Now I need to find a new foundational system that
rings true to myself. But and for everyone listening as well,
I mean, you, John, you don't have a book, you
don't have a website, you don't have anything. You're just
trying to, if anything, you're putting yourself out there essentially
to be ridiculed for no other reason than you just
really want to share your story. And that's what I
find so beautiful and authentic about it, is that you
truly have nothing to gain from this.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you really don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, if anything, you open yourself up the ridicule
and other things like that and attacks, but you just
want to You want to just share share your story
with people and give people hope and understanding about what
happens on the other side.
Speaker 2: So I do really appreciate you doing it, my friend.
Speaker 3: Well I am. I am so thankful that you guys
selected me to come on your show. I've had such
a great time. And Alex, you are great at this.
You are still good at this. You have great questions
and I your stories are wonderful, and thank you so
much for inviting me.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. And I'm going to ask you a
few questions.
Speaker 1: I ask all my guests, what is your definition of
living a good life?
Speaker 3: You know what, I think living a good life has
to do with having family in your life, because I've
learned that you know, material things, materialism, none of that
is important. The only thing that is important is the
love you have with people, trying to make a difference
with your life, trying to help people as much as
you can, and being there for other people. And the
other thing is about a kyle ch And the part
about having pain, not only is pain teaching you, but
you also have the opportunity to share it with others,
to teach people what you have learned you from your
pain to help make their lives a little bit easier.
So that's that's how I would answer that.
Speaker 2: Is how do you define God?
Speaker 3: That's a great question. And when I was on the
other side, there absolutely is a God, and the Native
Americans call him the Great Spirit, and I think that's
how I would define it too. He is He's absolutely there.
He is We were all created by God in one
spark of creation, so He's definitely there. And God is
the only emotion that I can really explain is that
he is all love. God is all love, and he
wants the best for us. And he created the other side,
our home with an absolute paradise, but also created the
whole dynamic of being able to come into a lifetime
and to experience things that you can't experience on the
other side. So he's all about love, all about experience,
all about learning, and he's He's just this ever present
and on the other side you feel this tremendous sense
of love and safety and peace. That's why it was
so hard for me to come back from that because
I wanted to be back there. I didn't want it.
I didn't want to be here anymore. But I got
I got the sense that I had to make I
had to share my story because of what they told me.
But that's how that's how I find God, just a
beautiful entity that is truly our father.
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 3: I think the ultimate purpose of life is to count,
to stand for something, to develop your gift, because I
truly believe that God gave us all gifts and that
our job is to develop those gifts and then give
it away. I always think of Pablo Picasso, the artist. Yeah,
he said something that I've never forgotten. He said, the
meaning of life is to find your gift, and the
purpose of life is to give it away. So I think,
just based on that I agree with them one hundred percent.
Find your gift, develop it, share it with the world,
and make the world a better place for you having
been in it.
Speaker 2: And do you have any parting messages for the audience.
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing I want people to take
away is that there is tremendous, tremendous hope no matter
how hard your life gets, no matter how many experiences
you have, and even when you think that you've reached
the end of your rope, just tie a knot and
hold on because it's going to get better. It always
gets better. And let the knowledge of God and the
other side give you strength, give you courage to keep
plugging along, because when you've finished this lifetime and you
get back, it's like surviving a war, and you will
be so proud of yourself for what you accomplished and
what you achieved. So stick it out, don't give up,
give it everything you've got, and the hope is just boundless.
There was a quote that I like to by Admiral
Admiral William McRaven. You've probably heard of him, and he said,
hope is the belief that tomorrow is going to be better,
and it will be and knowing about the other side,
knowing about how beautiful it is, that that's our home,
that that will give you courage to keep facing each
and every day and moving forward.
Speaker 1: And on that note, my friend, I appreciate you coming
on the show, sharing your knowledge and doing the good
work that you've been doing all these years since you
had your near death experience. Again, I appreciate you so
so much for coming on the show, my friend.
Speaker 3: Thank you again, Thank you so much for having me Alex.
I had a great time.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for spending this sacred time with
us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further,
you'll find the show notes for this episode at Next
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