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Speaker 2: I like to welcome the show John Jay Davis.

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Speaker 3: Hey, John, Hey, Alex. I'm doing great. It's so good

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to see you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on the show, my friend.

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Speaker 1: I've been really looking forward to our conversation because, I mean,

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I've spoken to probably on forty or fifty near death

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experiencers at this point, but your story, your near death

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experience is easily one of the most detailed of any

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out there.

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Speaker 2: So it's really really really looking forward to diving in.

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Speaker 1: But before we dive in, I always let that's a question,

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what was your life like prior to your near death experience?

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Speaker 3: Prior to that, I was just I was raised a

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Catholic and I was so yeah, I was in my

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dad he loved to go to church, and we would

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go to church sometimes two or three days a week

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and then on Sundays also, so I was inundated with Catholicism.

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And before I had my MD, I had never had

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any experiences of any kind other than Catholicism. I was

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twenty one at the time, and I was considering whether

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or not going to college, going to school, and the

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last thing on my mind was spirituality. I was I

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had a hard time understanding Catholicism because the big thing

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that I had a hard time with was the fear

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of God that they put in you. You were supposed

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to fear God, and I never really I never really

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got that. So after I had my near death experience,

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my entire life changed that way in terms of spirituality

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and my views of religion. Like I have a hard

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time considering myself to be a Christian, but I love

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Jesus and I read the New Testament all the time,

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but I have a really hard time with the Christian dogma.

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So that's what my life was like before. I'm just

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very much much more materialism, more interested in what I

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was supposed to do with my life, because I really

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had no clue at that point. So this NDE made

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a huge difference for me, and it gave me a

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solid direction to pursue. And ever since then, I have

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been sharing my story. And something I'll mention to you

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too is, you know, how when you hear other people's

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near death experiences, a lot of times they come back

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with some kind of a gift, like maybe the person

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is maybe they have some psychic abilities, or or I

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heard of one guy who was able to compose music,

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or they can. Well I didn't have anything like that.

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But the only thing I did have was, and I

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think this has to be a god thing, I was

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given one hundred percent memory recall of everything I saw.

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So my experience happened in nineteen eighty seven. But to

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when I tell the story, it's like I see everything

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just like as if it happened yesterday. That's why I'm

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able to remember so many details. So I think that

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was just a gift that was given to me so

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I could share my story to people and help help

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them and give them hope. There's so much more than

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what we see here on earth.

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Speaker 2: Well, my friend, I am here to help you get

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the word out. So let's divell it. Let's dive here.

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So what happened on the day that you had your

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near death experience?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I was.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 3: My dad had won a sales contest and he won

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two mopeds. It's kind of like like scooters or moments.

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those on the weekends. So one day I was out

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riding and I had an accident and I slammed into

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a tree, and the way I landed, I tore the

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tendons off my right hand and I had to go

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and to have surgery. While I was twenty one, I

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had never been in surgery before. I didn't know what

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to expect. I'd probably been in a hospital just a

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handful of time. It's not very often, so I had

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no idea what was going to happen. So they give

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me the IVY and they start to pump in the anesthesia,

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and I had some kind of an allergic reaction and

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it stopped my heart and I died. Well the very

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second that I died, I opened my eyes again, and

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I was standing in the most beautiful building I have

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ever seen, And my very first thought was, oh my God.

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I had no idea the hospital was as big because

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the building that I was in it was a long, long,

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corridor building, and I couldn't see the end of it.

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right hand side. Marble, beautiful white marble columns maybe thirty

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feet high, all the way down as far as you

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could see, and they were about five or ten feet

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apart in the middle of this corridor like building where

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these marble tables just regular marble rectangle or kind of

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square tables, and there were marble benches on every single table.

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you could see. And the most amazing part was what

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was to my left, to the left of this building,

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and we're like a marble al made of white, beautiful,

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pristine marble. There were these tunnels that looked like they

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were cut out of solid marble, and in the they were,

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they corresponded to each table. So there was a marble column,

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then a table, then these tunnels, and again they went

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as far down as you could see. Each tunnel was

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maybe five feet apart, and it was seven or eight

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feet high, and it looked like it would been carved

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out of the marble, solid ninety degree angles like we

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have in a doorway. Well, I need to tell you

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something else that happened here. This will look this will

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kind of help me explain how this process worked. At

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that point, right then I heard a voice in my

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left ear and it said, my name is Alan, I'm

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your spirit guide. Well I had no idea what that meant.

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happened is my spirit guide took me to every place

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at I'm going to I'm going to describe for your audience,

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and he took me to the outside first of every building,

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and then he took me to the inside. And I

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like to tell people so they can have a kind

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of a visualization. This building that I was in looks

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like a temple in Turkey, the country Turkey, and it's

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called the Temple of Artemis and it's a R T

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E M I S. So if your listeners want to

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google it, they can google it and see kind of

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what I what I was shown. That's what this building

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looked like. So anyway, everything I'm going to tell you guys,

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it's from what my guide was telling me. He told

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me everything I was seeing and what it was for. Well,

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this building that I was in, he told me this

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is the orientation center. And what's kind of different about

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my experience. Have you ever You've probably heard a lot

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of typical near death experience is where the person says

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that they had an axe or they were in the

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hospital and they found themselves floating above their bodies. Then

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they become aware of a tunnel and at the end

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of the tunnel is a white light. Well my experience,

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I for some reason, I skipped all of that, and

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they took me to the other side of that white light.

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On what's on the other side of the white light.

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As soon as somebody walks into it, they're there in

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this orientation center and they come through these these tunnels

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that were on my left. The tunnels connect people with

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Earth to the other side. So when their lifetime is

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finished on Earth, they cross through these tunnels and they

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end up on the other side.

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Speaker 3: So somehow these tunnels are connected to Earth, and I

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don't know how to works, but that's how people get

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to the other side. So my guide told me to

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look to my left at the next tunnel. So I

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looked to my left and there was a gentleman coming through.

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had just finished his lights and he had his right

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hand holding his chest like he was in pain. And

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my guide said he died from a heart attack. So

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he's coming through the tunnel. And at these tables that

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I've mentioned, there are two people sitting at each table

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on the other side, and my guide said, they are

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orientation counselors. So their job is to help orientate people

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back to the other side. And the reason they had

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them is oftentimes when people come into lights somehow, and

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don't understand how it works. But when we come into

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a lifetime, our memory gets washed about the other side

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where we're from, because we're not from Earth. Earth is

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just the place of learning and growth and developing your soul.

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some people liked to call it heaven. Some people call

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it the afterlife. And so these orientation counselors help people

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remember where they're really from. So the woman there was

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a woman at a table I was looking. She stood up.

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hands and his his, and she led him back to

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the table and they sat down. The entire time she

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was talking to him, she was holding his hands, and

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my guide said, watch him. So as I was watching him,

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his appearance began to change from a man who was

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in his eighties or nineties to a man who was

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in his thirties. And nobody told me why the age,

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I have no idea, but we're in our thirties. So

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that's what happens. During the orientation, they just talked them

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about where they're from. You finished your lifetime here, you

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are back on the other side.

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Speaker 3: Well, when he was done with that, he stood up

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and he walked to the right, and he stepped down

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three steps. Everybody's steps, everybody's they have called h was

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between these orientation areas. So he stepped down and he

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walked into what I call the gardens because it was

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the most beautiful gardens you could ever imagine. They They

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were like English gardens, just beautifully manicured, and the most

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beautiful trees and flowers. And what I remember the most

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was the grass. The grass was absolutely emerald green, just gorgeous.

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the gardens when they cross over is that's where they

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have the reunions. Everybody that they've known in their lifetime, friends,

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loved ones, family, you know, cousins, grandparents, everybody is there

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waiting for them when they cross over and they have

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a reunion. And it's a big deal. When somebody comes

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back from a life on Earth. It's a huge deal

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because what I was told is that Earth, this planet,

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is the hardest of all of them. And I'll get

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to that for your audience in just a minute. But

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they have reunions and they welcome people back, and it's

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a really huge, big deal. So that was the first

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when it's your time to go going to the tunnel,

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go pass the light. You're an orientation You have an

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took me to was this building was square, or I

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beautiful white marble columns all around the outside of it.

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that he took me to looked like Greek buildings, but

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they do. And the other side, that's not all that's there.

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The other side is think of it like another planet,

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kind of like Earth, but it's perfect. There's no wars,

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there's no poverty, there's no hunger, there's no disease. It's

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just a perfect world. What the other side is like.

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And the place that he took me to was just

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one specific area. So the next thing he took me to,

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he said, it was going to take me to a

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life review. And you and your audiences have probably heard

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that before. And it was this rectangle building and we

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went inside and it was around a round room, really large,

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large round room, and on the top were these screens

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like movie screens, all in a circle around the top,

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and he said, this is your life review. And all

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of a sudden, the screens lit up like they were

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playing movies like it like I was in the theater,

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and every screen that I could see had a different

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aspect of my life. One was playing when I was

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just a newborn, another one was playing when I was

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an infant, another one was playing when I started elementary school.

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And it went all the way through these every screen

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had a different aspect of my life up to the

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age that I was then age twenty one, and that

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was a life review, and what you do in a

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life review, the whole idea is to see if you

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accomplished what you wanted to accomplish before you came into life.

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Because none of us are accidents, none of it's random.

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We all actually plan our lifetimes. And I'll get to

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that in just a little bit too, So that was

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the life review. The next thing he took me to

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was kind of a square building. Again, it had marble

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columns on the outside, and this part was really hard

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for me to digest because I was raised Catholic. But

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he took me to a building and it was another

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It looked like a theater, just like the last one

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in a life review, but this one had one screen,

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like what our movie theaters look like. And what he

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was showing me was past lifetimes. And this was really

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hard for me to accept because I had never been

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raised that way. But we actually do have past lifetimes

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because we're eternal beings. You can have as many lives

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as you want to. So anyway, he wanted to show

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me three different lifetimes so that I would be able

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to tell people when I came back that you know,

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just like your audience life, past lifetimes really are real

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and you learn from them just like you learn in

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this life. Well, he showed me three of them, and

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one was I was a monk and I had a

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shaved head, I was probably in my sixties. I was

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wearing a red kind of a gown, and my job

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in that life was to teach kids about the monastery,

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kind of like kind of like being a Buddhist monk.

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The next life he showed me was I was a

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shoe pedler in this village and I had a wheelbarrow

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and it was full of shoes, and my job in

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that lights was I fixed people's shoes, and i'd fix them,

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taken back to my little shop, fix them and bring

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it back to the people. The other life he showed

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me was a fisherman. I had a little raggedy boat

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and I was on a lake and I had a net,

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and my job in that life was to help the

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village with food by bringing in fish. So that whole

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episode was to just show me that the past lifetimes

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are real because we are infinite beings where there's no

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end to knowledge. There's no end to learning, and you

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learn for your entire existence. And one of the things

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that I thought was so interesting is that we come

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into life because we want to experience hardship, because that's

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where we learn. Not all the time to we come

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into experience hardship, but if you didn't want to experience anything,

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you would stay on the other side. And you still

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learn that way. But it's like trying to describe to

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somebody what it's like to ride a bike. You really

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can't describe what it's like, and they have to actually

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do it, and once they do it, then they get it.

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And that's kind of like while we come in here

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to learn, so we do have a lot of different

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past lifetimes. The next place he took me to, this

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one was a little bit different. All of these buildings

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were just enormous. I can't even just to iterate how

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large they were, but they were all just enormous. And

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this one was round. It was round, and it had

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the marble columns going around in a circle, and it

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had a dome roof. And we walked in and he

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took me to a marble table and the table had

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two scrolls on it, and if you could imagine what

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papyrus scrolls looked like. They look they look kind of

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like that. They were rolled up, and there were two.

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One had a blue ribbon and the other had a

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red ribbon. I don't know what the significance was of that, but.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 3: So I picked up the moment the blue ribbon unwrapped

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it and I unfolded it on the table, and immediately

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I could see all of this writing, and it was

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in black lettering, and it looked like it looked like

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it was in calligraphy. You know how you take those

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pens and you dip them in ink and then you

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write with that. That's that's what calligraphy is. It looked

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like that. Well, when I went to try to read it,

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it's folded up again, and I was told that I

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wasn't able to read about my life because it might

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interfere with what I was going to accomplish in this life.

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And what they wanted me to learn and to share

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was that our lifetimes really are planned out. We plan

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what country we're going to live in, we plan what

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language we're going to learn, who our parents are are

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we going to go to college or not? What kind

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of career are we going to have? All that stuff

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goes into it as well as what we wanted to

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learn and accomplish and what our goals were. And that's

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what the life review was to show you that, you know,

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you really do have goals and you want to see

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how you did. So everybody has these scrolls and they're

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all kept in these in this beautiful round building. And

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I don't know why, but we always go to this

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building to plan our next lifetime and our guides help us.

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Our guides help us plan what we want to accomplish.

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Do you want to learn more about compassion? Do you

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want to learn more about love? Or These are the

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main themes that people have when they come into in life.

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What do you want to accomplish? And you plan them

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in this huge building. Well, when I looked to my left,

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there was this enormous window and I looked out and

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I could see and this is the first time that

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I saw a bunch of other people. A bunch of

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people were walking back and forth along this walkway and

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wherever he took me to on the other side, it

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was it was really busy. There were tons of people

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walking back and forth, and every race was there, every ethnicity,

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every color. People were short, some people were tall. They

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look just like we do. And what I noticed immediately

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was that everybody had bodies. Some people that I've read

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about say that we only are like or energy, that

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we float around, but that's not what my experience was like.

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I saw everybody just like you see people. They look

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just like us. Their bodies are different, their their bodies

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are somehow they're They're better than our earthy bodies. They're stronger,

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they're lighter, they don't get sick, they don't age, and

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I don't know what they're made of, but they are

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as solid as we are. So I saw them walking

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back and forth, and one of the most beautiful things

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I saw was there was a lake on the other

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side of this of this building. It was absolutely the

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most beautiful lake I'd ever seen. It was so steell,

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looked like glass, and all around this lake they had

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weeping willow trees, you know those trees that have the

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weeping willows that hang over all the leagues were just

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sitting in the water. It was just it was just gorgeous,

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a picture perfect. And then he took me to another

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place inside this building, and they wanted me to tell

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people about this. You've probably heard the term soulmates. Soulmates

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are actually real. We when we when we were created,

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God created all of us with a perfect mate. It

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was with us for eternity. But the perfect mate that

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we have on the other side doesn't always come into

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a lifetime with us. Because one of the things that

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you learn in a lifetime you learn from having relationship

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and chips. Whether it's a girlfriend, boyfriend, marriage, whatever it

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might be, you learn a lot. And if I look

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back in my life, the most most of the things

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that I learned came from experiences that were kind of painful,

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but that taught me a lot. And on the other side,

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when you have your perfect mate, you don't always necessarily

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learn a whole lot that way. So be coming to

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life normally without our soulmates. And here was a really

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cool thing this building. If you could, if you could

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imagine a gigantic, enormous library of Encyclopedia Britannicas. All these

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books were on bookshelves and they were all the same color,

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kind of like broon, kind of purplish maroon, and each

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one had gold lettering that wasn't going horizontal, it was

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going down. And what my guide took me to was

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my soulmate's book. And the books contain everything about our lifetimes,

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all of our past lifetimes, what we learned, who we became,

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everything is in these encyclopedias. And the writing goes down,

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up and down, and my writing said Nna, and it

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was Nina. My soulmate's name is Nina. And he just

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wanted to show me that everybody has one, so don't

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always be so concerned about trying to find your soulmate

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in life, because many times you won't because that person

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is still on the other side. So that was this building.

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It was absolutely just a gorgeous building and up just beautiful.

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The next place he took me to was a stadium,

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just like a football stadium or a soccer stadium we

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go to see a sporting event. He took me to

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the inside had thousands of seats, just thousands of seats

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that people could sit in. But when I was there,

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it was completely empty. Nothing was in there at all,

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just the seats and my guide, well, there was a

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gentleman behind me, and his job on the other side

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was to run this building. Do you remember when you

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were a kid, you used to go to the planetarium.

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Remember what those were, of course, Yeah, Well I was

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in a planetarium on the other side, but it was

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huge among us, just gigantic, and the gentleman behind me

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he ran this planetarium and he said, let's begin. So

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the lights went off, pitch black, and I sat down

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and he started showing me on the ceiling and what

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he said to me was the first thing he said

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was when you look at the stars, this is what

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you see. And what it was referring to was people

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on Earth, people's perspective. Here, when we look at the stars,

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this is what we see. And he started showing our

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solar system, started showing the planet Jupiter, then Saturn, than urinets,

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then net to all of our Solar system and including

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Earth and our son. Then he said to me, when

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we look at the stars, this is what we see,

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and what it was referring to was everybody who is

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on the other side their perspective. And he said, well,

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when we look at the stars, this is what we see.

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And he started showing me, first planet after planet, then

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dozens of planets, then hundreds, thousands, then millions and millions

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of planets, and he told me there was far more

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life in the universe than you possibly know. And the

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cool part is that Earth it's not the only it's

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not the only planet. There are millions of planets, and

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not just that, but we can have lifetimes on any

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of them there are on Earth. We've always thought that

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Earth is the only inhabited planet. It's not, and we

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can have lifetimes on other planets all over the universe.

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So that absolutely blew my mind. I love astronomy. In fact,

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I love it so much. I tried to take an

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astronomy class in college, but I had to drop it

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because I could not understand the math it was trying

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to calculate distances from stars. It was just too hard

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for me. But I love astronomy, and that was just

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such an extraordinary I think that was one of my

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favorite parts of my whole experience was that planetarium. The

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next thing it took me to. This building was a

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little bit different. Again, it was a rectangle and it

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was so long again I couldn't see the end of it.

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But it was the biggest building so far, and it

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didn't have columns on the outside. It only had columns

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these marble, white columns on the front, and it looked

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like our Supreme Court building in Washington. It looked like

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that with the columns in the front, and it had

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a whole bunch of steps leading up to the top. Again,

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everything was white, beautiful marble. So it takes me inside

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and it's a library and there's huge thirty maybe thirty

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forty foot bookcases full of books all the way down

481
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:51,559
as far as you could see.

482
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,359
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

483
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:00,319
and now back to the show.

484
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,279
Speaker 3: And again it was full of people. People were studying

485
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,599
at these different tables. People were talking to each other,

486
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:14,599
there were people looking for books, and just a huge library.

487
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,160
And he took me to an area on the left

488
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,079
hand side of the library, and what they looked like

489
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:26,559
it was like looking like rooms that you can study,

490
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:29,559
study rooms off every line. You know, libraries today have

491
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:33,480
study rooms. That's kind of what they looked like, maybe

492
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,920
the size of a person's average bedroom. I walked over

493
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:41,440
and I looked in and there was a woman who

494
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,440
was She had her back to me. She had jet

495
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,720
black hair, jet black hair down to her waist, and

496
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:53,519
she was wearing like a purple gown or a purple

497
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,759
robe of some kind. And she was looking at what

498
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,640
we would call today as a really big flat screen

499
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:08,440
TV mounted on the wall. And my guide said she

500
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,359
was watching history. So I looked at what she was watching,

501
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:17,319
and she was watching a battle that took place between

502
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,000
the Native American Indians, the planes tribes like the Lakota,

503
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,240
versus the US cavalry. And he said she was watching

504
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:32,160
this as it happened. And I thought to myself, how

505
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,160
is that possible because nobody had video cameras two hundred

506
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,039
years ago. How could she be watching something that was

507
00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:44,920
that it happened. And he told me everything is recorded,

508
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,079
and this this has to be a God thing. Also

509
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,200
because I have I cannot comprehend how it's possible that

510
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,319
everything is recorded, but it is. That's why when we

511
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,400
have our life reviews, you're able to see everything about

512
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,799
your life. It's somehow in God's mind, it's recorded.

513
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: Well, can I stop you for a second, because, yeah,

514
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:08,880
you said something very interesting.

515
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: You said that she was watching it as it was happening.

516
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,559
But that was the past.

517
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, let me let me back up. It wasn't

518
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,000
like she was watching it as it happened. Now, she

519
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,480
was watching it as it as history happened.

520
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: So she was she was basically watching a documentary of

521
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,000
past event in your in your current timeline, in a

522
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:36,240
time period that was not capable of having any footage recorded.

523
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's exactly correct, exactly. So what I learned is

524
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,920
that anything that you want to learn about, whether it's

525
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,319
a battle or someone in World War two or the

526
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:51,599
Titanic sinking, anything that you want to learn about, you

527
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:53,839
can go to these rooms off the library and you

528
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,559
can watch history as it really happened. There is such

529
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,240
an there's a I think all of us are hardwired

530
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,599
to want to learn. So the place that he took

531
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,880
me to was the place that people learned. They come

532
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,440
to learn, to experience and to grow. And what's so

533
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:17,680
cool about the other side is that anything you love

534
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:21,599
to do on Earth you can do there. You can swim,

535
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,880
you can height, you can go to music festivals, you

536
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,440
can paint, you can write, you can anything that you

537
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:32,200
love to do you still do over there. So and

538
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:34,759
that was just the most extraordinary part for me.

539
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,279
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a question, because everything you've

540
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:41,079
been talking about in your experience so far has very

541
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:47,519
earthly ties, meaning that there's obviously everything from the buildings

542
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,039
to what you're talking about now, it's all earthly based.

543
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:54,079
We have all reference points to all of this. So

544
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:58,079
my question to you is are the things on earth

545
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,200
built like things on the other side or is it

546
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:05,880
vice versa because you are coming from Earth and everything

547
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,840
was constructed for you to be to be more comfortable

548
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,760
and kind of customized for you and your experience, or

549
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,840
we just inspired Like you said, books and libraries, these

550
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,239
are all things that we you know, eventually designed here

551
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:22,519
or we're given that information here, and auditoriums and the

552
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,039
screens and all.

553
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: This kind of stuff. So is it the chicken or

554
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:28,400
the egg? What came first?

555
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,639
Speaker 3: In a sense, that's a great question. From what I

556
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,840
was told, everything that's on the earth now was on

557
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:42,199
the other side first. The idea of the pyramids was

558
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:46,280
from the other side. The idea of these beautiful Greek

559
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:51,119
Roman buildings. The architecture is so beautiful that the inspiration

560
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,199
came from the other side. It was over there first.

561
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,760
And I can't and I'll mention it to you in

562
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,320
a couple of minutes, something else have happened. Okay, So

563
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,599
that the library, here's the part that I think we'll

564
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:07,800
answer your question better. He took me to a castle,

565
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,719
and a castle just like in medieval Europe. They were

566
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,239
built out of stone, beautiful, gorgeous stone. It was perfectly cut,

567
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,320
just like the castles were backed and huge, and he

568
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,199
told me to walk inside. So I walked inside, and

569
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:31,559
immediately there was a gorgeous red ornate carpet on the

570
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:36,239
floor of the castle, and huge walls on my right

571
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,079
and my left, and there were life size paintings of

572
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,519
kings and queens and people of royalty who had lived

573
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,800
in that castle, and there were life size paintings of

574
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,760
what they looked like and also what they wore. And

575
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,239
in front of every single painting there was a podium,

576
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,320
and on the podium was a book, and what it

577
00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:11,239
was was that person's life was in that book and

578
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,239
the reason this castle existed. And there were many many

579
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,599
castles there because they were on Earth. So what was

580
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:22,679
on Earth is also replicated on the other side. And

581
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,599
so if you wanted to learn about a particular time

582
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:29,079
in Earth's history, not only could you go to libraries,

583
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,480
but you could also go to places like this where

584
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,119
you could see the structures of what it was like

585
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:38,599
on Earth. And the book was on each one of

586
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:43,639
these podiums contained that person's lives, everything about that person's lives.

587
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,320
So if you wanted to learn about King George, for example,

588
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,239
you could go you could go into castles. You could

589
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,519
see what he looked like, what the clothing was like,

590
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:56,000
and then you could read about them and something else.

591
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,639
You know how a lot of these castles had those

592
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,440
rounds on stairwells that took you to the second floor.

593
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:07,199
This hass Will had that too, And right about then

594
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,800
there was a woman that started walking down the staircase.

595
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:14,880
She had strawberry blonde hair, and she was wearing kind

596
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,519
of a peach colored gown or a tunic, oh something

597
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:23,239
else that I forgot to mention. Everybody dresses however they want.

598
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,360
But a lot of people like to wear gowns in

599
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,440
tunics because they they're the most comfortable, they said. But

600
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,000
people wear jeans and t shirts, whatever you want to wear.

601
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,039
So she walks down and she walks up to me,

602
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:43,960
and she says, can I help you find anything? And

603
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,840
Alex I still to this day kicked myself because of

604
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,320
what I said to her. Here I was on the

605
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,960
other side, I'm supposed to be having surgery. What is

606
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:58,320
going on. Well, instead of asking her that, you know what,

607
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,360
I said said, Oh, no, thanks, I'm just looking. That's

608
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,480
that's not just a Walmart.

609
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:04,679
Speaker 1: Two.

610
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: You're not in a Walmart man.

611
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's exactly. What in the world did

612
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,800
I say that for? I could have asked her anything,

613
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,480
but I did I didn't. I didn't know what to say. Well,

614
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:20,599
my guide told me that you know how people people

615
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:23,440
have jobs on Earth because they need to pay bills.

616
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,360
You know, they've got mortgage, rent, utilities. You know, we

617
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,119
all have to have money and we go to jobs. Well,

618
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:33,519
the other side doesn't have that kind of economics. They

619
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,280
they work at things they love to do. And this girl,

620
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:42,280
what she loved was this particular era of Earth's history.

621
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,679
She was what we would call a scholar. So if

622
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:49,159
you wanted to learn about this particular time time period

623
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:52,519
on Earth, you could go to these castles and read

624
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:54,639
about their experience what it was like. Or you can

625
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:56,880
go to these viewing rooms that were in the library

626
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,519
where you can go and talk to someone like her

627
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,480
who is an expert on that era of history. So

628
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:07,440
that was just phenomenal. Anything you want to learn, Yeah, but.

629
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,199
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this from I mean, and again

630
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,280
from talking to so many near death experiences and even

631
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,280
spiritual uh you know, masters and gurus about spirituality and

632
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,559
ancient texts and things like that, the concept I heard

633
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,960
was that there is a universal knowledge that people can

634
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,639
tap into. The universal knowledge like the library you were

635
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,599
saying with everyone's lives sounds like the Acashak records in

636
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:34,039
a physical form of one way, shape or form. But

637
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:37,039
we have the ability on the other side to tap

638
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:40,960
into any information we might want or need to or

639
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:45,119
interested in. Kind of like you know, quantum physics. Oh,

640
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:48,239
here's quantum physics, and explain everything to you and you'll go, oh,

641
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:52,920
and you couldn't articulate it, but you understood it all.

642
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,639
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

643
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,559
and now back to the show. You know, if someone

644
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:04,920
explained it to you on the other side. So it

645
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:08,000
kind of is interesting what you're saying is like it.

646
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:11,639
I'm not sure how that meshes with what you're saying.

647
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:14,760
So have you have you talked or heard about that

648
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,199
or puts your feelings on that?

649
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,119
Speaker 2: For me?

650
00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:21,039
Speaker 3: You know, the I had never heard the term at

651
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:25,159
Kishak records before, but when I when I one time,

652
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,400
I was in an event and we were talking about

653
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,719
that library that I saw, and I got the impression

654
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:38,400
that everything you would ever want to learn study read

655
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,000
about was inside that library. And this person told me,

656
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:46,199
it sounds like you were inside the Kishak records. And

657
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,159
the only thing that I can equate that with is

658
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,360
that's God's knowledge. Everything was there, Everything was in that building.

659
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,159
But I don't know about a universal knowledge because all

660
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:04,199
the other planets have their own evolutionary scheme also, just

661
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,760
like Earth. So I don't know if that library held

662
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:13,119
all the information about the other worlds or was that

663
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,400
only about life on Earth. So that I don't know.

664
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,519
That's a that's a really good question. I don't know.

665
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,159
Speaker 1: It's interesting, yeah, because it's not like when I've heard

666
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:28,320
these concepts of universal knowledge, it's they can access universal knowledge,

667
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,679
but it's always in regards to the earthly realm. I've

668
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,119
never heard anyone say, oh, we do you want that

669
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:36,960
advanced spaceship on planet B set.

670
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: And five here, Like I never heard that before.

671
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: But I was just curious about that idea, because again,

672
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,440
everything that you're saying is very earth.

673
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:50,639
Speaker 2: Like in its experience and the way.

674
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:53,559
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, that was my biggest, one of

675
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:55,639
my biggest questions. I always ask for people from that

676
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,599
go to the other side. It's like, what do you

677
00:41:57,639 --> 00:41:58,599
do as their bars?

678
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: Do they hang out between laws?

679
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:02,599
Speaker 1: I was like, are the dances? And you're saying, no,

680
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,000
you do whatever you want. You can go to music festivals.

681
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,320
So when you said music vessels, and I'm like, so

682
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,199
you mean to tell me there's concerts with Michael Jackson, Prince, Yeah, Elvis.

683
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,159
Speaker 3: You know, Jimmy, Jimmy Hendricks.

684
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,519
Speaker 2: Jimmy Hendrix.

685
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a hell of a woodstock going on

686
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,679
in the other Yeah, and then Mozart and Beethoven are

687
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:20,239
there as well.

688
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,079
Speaker 3: Like it's like it's in what they told me was like,

689
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:29,519
it's it's like a Harry Potter experience for adults, or

690
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,800
it's it's a it's a paradise. It really is an

691
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,679
absolute paradise. And there are a lot of people who

692
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,760
don't want to come here because coming here is just

693
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,159
so much different than what it's like on the other side.

694
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,800
But people want to learn to they want to learn,

695
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,559
they want to grow, and so they do choose to

696
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:52,480
come into lifetimes. And I cannot wait to get back

697
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:55,599
because you knew who I want to meet I want

698
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:59,400
to meet Bruce Lee. Of course I was, you know,

699
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,320
I did a lot of martial arts, a lot of

700
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,679
charate I would just I would just love to meet him.

701
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,639
And he said something that I have in one of

702
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:13,760
my journals. He said, there are no limits, only obstacles.

703
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,840
I thought, wow, I absolutely love that, and there are

704
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,360
there are just a lot of people I want to meet.

705
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,800
I just can't wait to get back. So that was, yeah,

706
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,840
go ahead, no continue content. So that was the That

707
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,119
was the castle. And here's here's the last part. My

708
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,000
guide took me to a field and if you if

709
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:40,480
you can imagine the most gorgeous, beautiful wild flower field

710
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:45,440
you've ever seen, golden hills, flowers, I mean, just beautiful.

711
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:49,639
So he took me there and then he left. My

712
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,960
guide left and I was just standing there by myself,

713
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:57,440
and all of a sudden, a man showed up in

714
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,239
front of me, and I could see his hair. He

715
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,480
had brown hair, I could see his hands, I could

716
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:07,400
see it. He was wearing a white robe or a

717
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,480
white tunic with a golden sash around the waist, and

718
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:16,679
he had gold colored sandals on that laced up his calves,

719
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:23,639
and he was different than everybody else because I couldn't

720
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:29,519
see his face. There was so much light or energy

721
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:32,719
coming from him that I couldn't make out what he

722
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,559
looked like. And my mind said to me, or somebody

723
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:41,800
said to me, this is Jesus. And he spoke to

724
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,360
me and he said, you must tell them there is

725
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,719
no death. And right after he said that, I woke

726
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,480
up back in the hospital and I asked, and everybody

727
00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:58,079
was looking down at me. You know how they look

728
00:44:58,119 --> 00:44:59,760
at you, and you're like, well, what happened to this guy?

729
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:03,639
I said to the surgeon, I said, what just happened?

730
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:05,880
Because I was trying to see if he could explain

731
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,519
to me where I was was what just happened to me?

732
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,840
And that's when I found out that I died. He said,

733
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,400
we'd lost you. We lost you for seven minutes, and

734
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:20,920
I couldn't believe it was only seven minutes because it

735
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,800
seemed like it was an hour or more that I

736
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,760
had this experience. And one thing I want to tell

737
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:33,079
people that more than anything, I want people to know

738
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:39,480
that there's tremendous hope that because you lost somebody, you

739
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:42,840
lost a friend, or God forbid, you lose a child,

740
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:47,559
or you lose a spouse, they're not really gone, they're

741
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:49,960
just in another place that we can't get to get

742
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,559
but that in the end, when your lifetime is finished,

743
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:59,800
you go back. And the strangest thing is that when

744
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,760
you get back and you're with your loved once again,

745
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,360
it's like no time had passed, because on the other side,

746
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:13,679
there's no such thing as time like we have here.

747
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:17,039
And I don't know how to explain that any better.

748
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,280
But a lifetime for them is like a month or two,

749
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,920
whereas for us a lifetime can be eighty ninety years

750
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,880
or more. So for them, when they leave, they do

751
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,440
grieve for us, but it's not the same as we

752
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:38,960
grieve for them, because from their perspective, we're going to

753
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,239
be back in just a short while. So that was

754
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,239
my experience. That was my whole near death experience. And

755
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,719
I just want your audience to know that there's hope

756
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,639
and there's so much more to look forward to, so

757
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,920
much more than what we know, and God is real.

758
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,119
Speaker 1: Now, I want to go back for a second, when

759
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:03,000
you were in your life review room, did you feel

760
00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:06,960
the perspectives of both both yourself and somebody else during

761
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:07,480
that year?

762
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: You know what I have I have. I don't think

763
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,639
there was enough time for them to show me that.

764
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,320
But I know that as part of your life review,

765
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,840
you feel what other people feel like, if you feel

766
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,960
like if you hurt somebody, you feel what that person felt.

767
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:32,960
But I didn't actually experience that. I don't know why.

768
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:37,039
I think maybe because I didn't have the opportunity to

769
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,960
have a whole life review. They just wanted to show

770
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,719
me that people do have life reviews, that they're they're real.

771
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:47,000
But each one of these places he took me to it,

772
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,679
it just seemed like it happened so quickly that there

773
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,559
wasn't enough time. They just wanted to show me. You

774
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:55,119
have to tell people what this is, tell them that

775
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:57,480
this happens, tell them that this is real, tell them

776
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,559
that you know. Because because this experience it wasn't for me,

777
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,880
it was for me to share it. So that's what

778
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,159
I've been doing, yeah.

779
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: Ever since. So, so I have to ask you. Then

780
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,000
you're twenty one. Yeah, and in the eighties, eighties, I.

781
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: Guess eighty seven yep, so near death experiences are all

782
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,679
the rage. Everyone's talking about them in that time period.

783
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: I'm being fatatious. Nobody does. And if you say.

784
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: Something like this publicly, you're pretty much this guy's alone.

785
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,159
So what did you do with this information?

786
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 2: When did you.

787
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,599
Speaker 1: Decide to come out of the closet, if you will?

788
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,639
And then when you did, what did your parents and

789
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,679
friends and you know, colleagues, what do they think about this?

790
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,639
Speaker 3: You know, it's that that's a that's a great question.

791
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,119
It took me the better part of the day and

792
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:52,039
a half before I realized what had happened, and it

793
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,159
was my mom. I told my mom what happened because

794
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:57,840
I didn't I still at that time, had no idea.

795
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,760
I was very Catholic, and I just didn't know what

796
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,639
had happened. And she gave me a book. And I'm

797
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:08,280
sure you've heard of this author named Raymond Moody. He

798
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,079
wrote a book called Life After Life that was published

799
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:14,159
in nineteen seventy five. And I've read through that a

800
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,559
lot of it, and I realized, oh my gosh, this

801
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:23,960
is what really happened. And I made the decision to

802
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:28,360
start sharing my story. Surely thereafter, but I got to

803
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:34,280
tell you for two months afterwards. After I realized where

804
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:40,239
I was, I went through a horrible suicidal depression for

805
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,119
two months.

806
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

807
00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:51,239
and now back to the show.

808
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,079
Speaker 3: Because I mean, it was so bad I wouldn't get

809
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:58,199
out of bed. That's how. Because I could not believe

810
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:01,679
that I would have to be here on this planet

811
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:05,719
for another many many years before it was my time

812
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:09,280
to cross over. I just didn't see how could I

813
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:15,119
make it here knowing what life is really like back home.

814
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:18,159
And that took me a couple of months to realize,

815
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,719
Oh my gosh, John, how are you going to do that? Well,

816
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,920
when I realized that, Jesus told me he didn't say,

817
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,159
you know what, John, I would like you to go

818
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:30,719
ahead and do this. Do you think you can do

819
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,280
this with your lifetime? He didn't say that. He said

820
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,519
you must tell them there is no death. So right

821
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:40,679
away I started telling people, anybody that would listen, And

822
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,360
I think for a long time I just took it

823
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,159
for granted that what I saw. But when I tell people,

824
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,239
that's when I start to realize, you know what, John,

825
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,840
you really did have a pretty remarkable experience. A lot

826
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,360
of people's in their death experiences aren't that detailed, so

827
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:03,719
it wasn't for me. It was for me to share it.

828
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:09,320
And I don't know why they they did that for me?

829
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:11,960
I don't. I still don't know, because I'm not I'm

830
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,599
not Oprah, I'm not you.

831
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: I don't.

832
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not. I don't have a podcast, I

833
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,679
don't have I don't even have a website, you know,

834
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,079
I don't have anything like that. So if they wanted

835
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:23,400
to get this message out, why wouldn't they give someone

836
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,079
Tell Tell, someone who had a huge audience. So I

837
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:29,719
don't know. I've just tried to share it whenever whenever

838
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,760
I can, And now that my story is a little

839
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,199
bit more public, I have the ability to share it

840
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:41,000
with others, and hopefully my experience gives them the kind

841
00:51:41,039 --> 00:51:44,800
of hope that it gave me that there was so

842
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,880
much more. God really exists, He actulutely, He really and

843
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,159
truly loves us. And here's something else that I don't

844
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:55,440
know how to explain either. It was just a God thing.

845
00:51:56,119 --> 00:52:00,320
But on the other side, you can feel how much

846
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:05,719
God loves you and how much He cherishes you. On earth,

847
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:09,440
we don't feel that. It's somehow like I don't know

848
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,159
if we're too far away or what it is, but

849
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,199
we just don't feel it here. So on the other side,

850
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:20,679
it's I just can't I can't wait to get back

851
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,320
and experience that. So all I've been doing in my

852
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,840
life is trying to share it to anybody who listen.

853
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:31,079
Speaker 1: Now, I mean, it sounds to me that obviously this

854
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:35,079
was planned. You planned this prior to coming out. You're like, Okay,

855
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:37,000
you're gonna die at twenty one, You're gonna get this thing.

856
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:40,079
This is part of your life plans as it goes.

857
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:42,559
At least it makes sense that's the case.

858
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:46,639
Speaker 2: But you're right in the sense that this was not

859
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:47,639
for you.

860
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: It was for others to hear, because every near death

861
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,960
experience I've heard had a personal touch to it, meaning

862
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:00,559
that you've gone off track, you need to come back, contract,

863
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:02,440
you can go, you can leave, Do you want to leave?

864
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,480
Do you want to stay? There's so many you know,

865
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:07,400
there's things that you got to work out. Some people

866
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,360
created a hell because she was Catholic and she had

867
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,000
to go down and go through that and get safe.

868
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 2: There's so many things, but it's all personal. Yours is

869
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,599
not personal at all.

870
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: You are being told you're you basically took it to

871
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,079
our heaven and they're like, take some notes, you're going

872
00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:25,960
to go back. This is basically why you're here, and

873
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:28,519
it didn't seem like there was There was nothing personal

874
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:30,719
about your your experience, which is not a bad thing.

875
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,000
It's just very unique in the in the near death experience.

876
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 3: Ohays, before I forget, I want to I want to

877
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,599
tell your audience one more thing. This just maybe want

878
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,760
to cry. All of our animals make the transition just

879
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,840
like we do. Sure, and when we get back, they're

880
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,119
all there and we never have to lose them again.

881
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,679
You know, all of your animals, your cats, your dogs,

882
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,920
whatever animals you have, they're there. And that's that was

883
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,559
something I thought was just extraordinary.

884
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 2: They have heard that as well from others.

885
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: Now, one thing I wanted to ask you, Maybe you

886
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,920
have the answer to this, Maybe you don't, but you

887
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,280
were saying that everyone, you know, if.

888
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 2: You want to learn, you can evolve on that side.

889
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:10,800
It's just slower.

890
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:16,039
Speaker 1: And again I've heard that from multiple people, both spiritual

891
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,320
those spiritual gurus and near death experiencers who say that

892
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,559
you can learn on the other side. But it's kind

893
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:25,719
of like, you know, you can't really know what swimming

894
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,599
is until you jump into the water. I can talk,

895
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:29,800
I can tell you all about swimming but jumping in,

896
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,280
you got to jump in and swim yep. And I

897
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,400
heard one one near death experiencer. He was actually a

898
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,639
pre birth experiencer, so he actually remembers his pre pre

899
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,360
birth like the setup to going into his life, like

900
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,880
the whole laying out the plan or the whole thing.

901
00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:47,000
And he said that he remembers as himself as a

902
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:52,400
soul running into another soul and saying, Holy God, what.

903
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: Are you doing.

904
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: You look like kind of like like you met somebody

905
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,320
who went to the gym a lot.

906
00:54:57,559 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: He's like, like, God, you look amazing. How'd you lose

907
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:00,760
all that weight? What are you doing?

908
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: And the other soul said, oh, I went to earth,

909
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,519
and he's like, man, I want that.

910
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:06,679
Speaker 2: Where can I sign up.

911
00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:10,199
Speaker 1: To go down to earth? He's like a and ain't easy, brothers.

912
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,639
Make sure you be careful what.

913
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:13,559
Speaker 2: You wear so you can learn a lot when you're

914
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:14,000
down there.

915
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 1: And that's how he started. Is one of the memories

916
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,840
he had from past lives. So it was really interesting now.

917
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,440
But you're saying on the other side, you can learn

918
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:25,880
and grow and if you're interested in stuff, But you

919
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:32,079
really evolved down here from my studies in ancient Vedic

920
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:36,199
texts and things like that and Yogic philosophies where you

921
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,119
evolved to a certain place, like Jesus or Buddha or

922
00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:41,760
ascended masters get to a certain place.

923
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 2: Is that the point of.

924
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: Being on the other side, or you have to come

925
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,440
down here to obviously ramp up and like supercharge your

926
00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:54,159
evolution when you're down on Earth or in any physical experience,

927
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:57,760
but Earth is the biggest, apparently the Yale and Harvard

928
00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:59,360
of this experience.

929
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 2: Do people want to evolve past a certain place or

930
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,119
they just want to just chill and enjoy paradise.

931
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. People they don't have to

932
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,840
have a lifetime if they don't want to, right, it's

933
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,159
all of it is completely and totally up to them.

934
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:21,440
Nobody has to have a life anywhere. In fact, what

935
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,119
they told me was that there are many who have

936
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,679
been incarnated on Earth, but they've gone to other planets,

937
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:31,400
but you don't have to. In the place that he

938
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:34,320
took me to it it was almost like being on

939
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,440
a college campus. You know how all the buildings are

940
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,840
in one area on a campus. That was kind of

941
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,840
like what my experience felt like. You have this building

942
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,960
where you did this, you have this building where you

943
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,719
did that. You have this rumas what the library is,

944
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,400
this is where the planetarium is. But yeah, nobody has

945
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,000
to come in if they don't want to. It's just

946
00:56:55,039 --> 00:57:00,079
a matter of experience and what I've learned in my life,

947
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,880
and I think this is why people choose to come here,

948
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,119
is you really do learn the most when you go

949
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:12,000
through something painful, because and I think, you know, have

950
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:16,079
I ever learned anything when everything was going perfect? And

951
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:20,239
you probably still learn But if you go through something,

952
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,360
you know, you go through a divorce or you have

953
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,360
a breakup, or you lose a job, or you know,

954
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,239
you lose a family member, that's horrible. But when you

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get to the other side of the grief, you've become

956
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,480
more than what you were before, and you can take

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that knowledge with you. There was a great quote that

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I just love from Denzel Washington and he said, you'll

959
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:48,119
never see a hearse or you'll never see a U

960
00:57:48,199 --> 00:57:53,199
haul behind a hearse, And I just love that because

961
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:55,679
no matter what you have in your life, whether it's

962
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money or things or possessions, none of that don't you

963
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:02,280
don't take anything with you. The only thing you take

964
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with you is the love, the knowledge, the learning, and

965
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:09,320
that stays with you. So I just thought, you know,

966
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it is worth it to come into life to learn.

967
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And once you get on the other side of the grief,

968
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you've become more and that's that's the purpose for it.

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Speaker 1: And and did and were so did your parents and

970
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:27,159
your friends when you started talking like this, what happened?

971
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Speaker 3: Like?

972
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:29,679
Speaker 2: Did they accept it? Did they not accept it?

973
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Speaker 3: I to this day, I still haven't told my dad,

974
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:35,119
but my.

975
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 2: Mom, I'm assuming he knows. I mean, you're public at

976
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,280
this point.

977
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Speaker 3: He might I don't know, but I know that he wouldn't.

978
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,039
He wouldn't believe it, sure, because he is. He is

979
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:48,559
such a staunch Catholic. And that's that's fine. Maybe maybe

980
00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:51,599
one day I'll be able to share it with him.

981
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,239
He's just he's not at a point now where because

982
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:56,519
he still goes to church. He goes to Catholic church

983
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:58,639
probably two or three times a week still and then

984
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on Sunday my mom. My mom knows all about it.

985
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,239
People I have told a lot of people will tell

986
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,480
me that, you know, there's there's no reason why they

987
00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:12,119
don't believe my story. But there are a lot of

988
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:15,679
people who don't a lot of people say, it can't

989
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:18,840
be as good as you portrayed it, and I tell

990
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,840
people it's better. It's so much better than how I

991
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,960
can describe it. You know, I don't even have the

992
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,239
words to describe what it was really like. But most people,

993
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:34,480
most people question what happens after death. It's the number

994
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one human fear is dying, I think there, I think

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the number. I think the two number.

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Speaker 1: Or the two public speaking, public speaking, and yes, exactly

997
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:45,960
if public speaking is number one, actually, and then there's

998
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a fear of time, yeah, exactly. Will be right back

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after a word from our sponsor, and now back to

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Speaker 3: So I think a lot of people, well, it's something

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that they think about, you know, what happens when we die.

1003
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So my story, I just always shared it, and most

1004
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,519
people are really open to it because they want to

1005
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:11,880
know too what happens.

1006
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Speaker 2: Right, And that's that, you know.

1007
01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: Ever since I opened up this channel and I started

1008
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,559
talking to you know, souls like yourself and all the

1009
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,119
other people that I have on the show, people are

1010
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:24,719
super curious, and more so now than.

1011
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: They were in the eighties.

1012
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:30,639
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's so much more openness about you know,

1013
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,320
in the eighties it was near basically Sherlan McLain talking

1014
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,159
about near death experiences. Yes, she was, and she was,

1015
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,599
you know pretty much, she's the whack job. She's a

1016
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:40,840
Hollywood whack job, is what they were calling her back then.

1017
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,639
Speaker 2: She took a big leap.

1018
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,119
Speaker 1: Doing that for a lot of people and kind of

1019
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:46,280
brought it into and then Oprah did a whole lot

1020
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,719
of work on bringing near death experiencers and channelers and

1021
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:55,079
mediums these ideas that were really taboo almost and now

1022
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,079
people not only are curious about it, they're searching for

1023
01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:03,159
these shows. There's searching to hear it. And really interesting

1024
01:01:03,239 --> 01:01:07,719
thing about what you said about your father is the

1025
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,960
ideas that he has basically built, isn't history that he's

1026
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,239
told himself, is the foundation of his entire existence.

1027
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,239
Speaker 2: If he would even entertain the idea of.

1028
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:21,199
Speaker 1: What you're saying, it would destroy the foundation that he

1029
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:24,199
has built his entire life on, and exactly would be

1030
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,119
so difficult for a human being to deal with, especially

1031
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,440
at an older age, it's so much harder.

1032
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:33,639
Speaker 2: And that's where.

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01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,559
Speaker 1: I you know, when people you know, comment or things

1034
01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:40,719
like that on on episodes that I do, it's like

1035
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:45,000
when you challenge their belief system it's their foundation. It's

1036
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:48,239
what that's what they've the story they've told themselves to

1037
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:50,599
make sense of the world. And it could be religion,

1038
01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:53,159
it could be politics, it could be eating meat, it

1039
01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:54,320
could be mac.

1040
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:58,239
Speaker 2: A PC, it could be anything. And that's why. I mean,

1041
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:59,719
you saw the I don't know if you're a macro

1042
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,599
Apeace see a guy. But why God, people get really

1043
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,679
like he sees the way.

1044
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: Mac is the way, and they because it's the foundation

1045
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,519
of their It's one of the pillars of their foundation.

1046
01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:13,920
For whatever reason, it's it's fascinating, but a lot of

1047
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,519
people listening and want them to understand that that if

1048
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:20,599
people around them don't get it, it's that's the reason why.

1049
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, one hundred percent agree. And I think

1050
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:30,639
my dad is he he's an old marine and he

1051
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,719
is very very set in his ways. In fact, he

1052
01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:38,000
he always encourages me to to go to the Catholic Church.

1053
01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:40,599
He's always telling me that why don't you go, why

1054
01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:42,920
don't you go back to Catholic Catholic Church. So I

1055
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,239
know that he wouldn't be open to it yet, but

1056
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,119
I'm hoping one day maybe I'll be able to share

1057
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:47,559
it with them.

1058
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:52,679
Speaker 2: One day, one day. It's it's it's everyone's on their

1059
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:55,480
own path, my friend. Everybody is on their own path,

1060
01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:57,760
and everyone's you know.

1061
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,199
Speaker 1: And what's really fascinating, I'm sure I don't know if

1062
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:02,880
you've run into this or not, but people who even

1063
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:08,760
disagree with you. A seed is planted, Yes, its seeds planted,

1064
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,400
and it might not flourish in this life, or it

1065
01:03:11,559 --> 01:03:14,599
could five or ten years later, because it starts the

1066
01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:17,519
question like you and I had the same same I mean,

1067
01:03:17,519 --> 01:03:21,239
I was raised Catholic, I'm recovering Catholic and uh, and

1068
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:24,360
these same questions I had that didn't make sense, the

1069
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,519
fearful God, the you know, thirty years.

1070
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:30,639
Speaker 2: Of what happened to Jesus? You know, foreign YadA, YadA, YadA.

1071
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:35,039
Speaker 1: He's the same, Yeah, what what what happened in the

1072
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:39,519
YadA YadA YadA. These basic understandings were questions that I had,

1073
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,880
and I and all those little questions started those little seeds.

1074
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: Eventually they overtook the garden and.

1075
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: I was like, this doesn't make any sense for me anymore.

1076
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,599
Now I need to find a new foundational system that

1077
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:56,039
rings true to myself. But and for everyone listening as well,

1078
01:03:56,199 --> 01:03:58,119
I mean, you, John, you don't have a book, you

1079
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:00,679
don't have a website, you don't have anything. You're just

1080
01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:05,440
trying to, if anything, you're putting yourself out there essentially

1081
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,920
to be ridiculed for no other reason than you just

1082
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,119
really want to share your story. And that's what I

1083
01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:12,519
find so beautiful and authentic about it, is that you

1084
01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:13,960
truly have nothing to gain from this.

1085
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 3: That's true.

1086
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:16,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you really don't.

1087
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if anything, you open yourself up the ridicule

1088
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:22,559
and other things like that and attacks, but you just

1089
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,119
want to You want to just share share your story

1090
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,840
with people and give people hope and understanding about what

1091
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:29,679
happens on the other side.

1092
01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 2: So I do really appreciate you doing it, my friend.

1093
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 3: Well I am. I am so thankful that you guys

1094
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,519
selected me to come on your show. I've had such

1095
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:39,760
a great time. And Alex, you are great at this.

1096
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,280
You are still good at this. You have great questions

1097
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,199
and I your stories are wonderful, and thank you so

1098
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:47,199
much for inviting me.

1099
01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. And I'm going to ask you a

1100
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:49,519
few questions.

1101
01:04:49,519 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: I ask all my guests, what is your definition of

1102
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,280
living a good life?

1103
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,519
Speaker 3: You know what, I think living a good life has

1104
01:04:57,719 --> 01:05:02,559
to do with having family in your life, because I've

1105
01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:06,519
learned that you know, material things, materialism, none of that

1106
01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:09,599
is important. The only thing that is important is the

1107
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:12,599
love you have with people, trying to make a difference

1108
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:14,920
with your life, trying to help people as much as

1109
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,559
you can, and being there for other people. And the

1110
01:05:18,639 --> 01:05:23,920
other thing is about a kyle ch And the part

1111
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:29,360
about having pain, not only is pain teaching you, but

1112
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,039
you also have the opportunity to share it with others,

1113
01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:35,119
to teach people what you have learned you from your

1114
01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:37,920
pain to help make their lives a little bit easier.

1115
01:05:38,519 --> 01:05:40,239
So that's that's how I would answer that.

1116
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,079
Speaker 2: Is how do you define God?

1117
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:48,039
Speaker 3: That's a great question. And when I was on the

1118
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:54,000
other side, there absolutely is a God, and the Native

1119
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,239
Americans call him the Great Spirit, and I think that's

1120
01:05:58,239 --> 01:06:01,920
how I would define it too. He is He's absolutely there.

1121
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:07,320
He is We were all created by God in one

1122
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:13,559
spark of creation, so He's definitely there. And God is

1123
01:06:13,639 --> 01:06:17,800
the only emotion that I can really explain is that

1124
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:23,920
he is all love. God is all love, and he

1125
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,760
wants the best for us. And he created the other side,

1126
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:34,480
our home with an absolute paradise, but also created the

1127
01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:39,920
whole dynamic of being able to come into a lifetime

1128
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,119
and to experience things that you can't experience on the

1129
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:48,400
other side. So he's all about love, all about experience,

1130
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:52,679
all about learning, and he's He's just this ever present

1131
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:56,920
and on the other side you feel this tremendous sense

1132
01:06:57,039 --> 01:07:04,480
of love and safety and peace. That's why it was

1133
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,679
so hard for me to come back from that because

1134
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:08,400
I wanted to be back there. I didn't want it.

1135
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:12,400
I didn't want to be here anymore. But I got

1136
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:15,119
I got the sense that I had to make I

1137
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:17,480
had to share my story because of what they told me.

1138
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:20,880
But that's how that's how I find God, just a

1139
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,679
beautiful entity that is truly our father.

1140
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

1141
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 3: I think the ultimate purpose of life is to count,

1142
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:45,159
to stand for something, to develop your gift, because I

1143
01:07:45,239 --> 01:07:50,320
truly believe that God gave us all gifts and that

1144
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,599
our job is to develop those gifts and then give

1145
01:07:54,639 --> 01:08:03,039
it away. I always think of Pablo Picasso, the artist. Yeah,

1146
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:07,639
he said something that I've never forgotten. He said, the

1147
01:08:07,719 --> 01:08:11,440
meaning of life is to find your gift, and the

1148
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:15,960
purpose of life is to give it away. So I think,

1149
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,680
just based on that I agree with them one hundred percent.

1150
01:08:21,079 --> 01:08:24,800
Find your gift, develop it, share it with the world,

1151
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,359
and make the world a better place for you having

1152
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:29,319
been in it.

1153
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:33,199
Speaker 2: And do you have any parting messages for the audience.

1154
01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:40,199
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing I want people to take

1155
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:47,159
away is that there is tremendous, tremendous hope no matter

1156
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:51,319
how hard your life gets, no matter how many experiences

1157
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:54,680
you have, and even when you think that you've reached

1158
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,039
the end of your rope, just tie a knot and

1159
01:08:58,119 --> 01:09:02,119
hold on because it's going to get better. It always

1160
01:09:02,199 --> 01:09:06,239
gets better. And let the knowledge of God and the

1161
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:10,680
other side give you strength, give you courage to keep

1162
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,760
plugging along, because when you've finished this lifetime and you

1163
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:19,239
get back, it's like surviving a war, and you will

1164
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:22,640
be so proud of yourself for what you accomplished and

1165
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,359
what you achieved. So stick it out, don't give up,

1166
01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:33,119
give it everything you've got, and the hope is just boundless.

1167
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,159
There was a quote that I like to by Admiral

1168
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:43,199
Admiral William McRaven. You've probably heard of him, and he said,

1169
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:50,840
hope is the belief that tomorrow is going to be better,

1170
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:57,119
and it will be and knowing about the other side,

1171
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,840
knowing about how beautiful it is, that that's our home,

1172
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,000
that that will give you courage to keep facing each

1173
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:06,479
and every day and moving forward.

1174
01:10:08,119 --> 01:10:12,119
Speaker 1: And on that note, my friend, I appreciate you coming

1175
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:14,640
on the show, sharing your knowledge and doing the good

1176
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,720
work that you've been doing all these years since you

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01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,000
had your near death experience. Again, I appreciate you so

1178
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,439
so much for coming on the show, my friend.

1179
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:25,079
Speaker 3: Thank you again, Thank you so much for having me Alex.

1180
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:25,960
I had a great time.

1181
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for spending this sacred time with

1182
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,600
us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further,

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