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<v Speaker 1>For years, a phantom moved unseen across America, riding the

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<v Speaker 1>shadows of its fast railroad system and leaving a trail

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<v Speaker 1>of brutal murder in its wake. He struck without warning, beating, raping,

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<v Speaker 1>and killing his victims in their own homes before vanishing

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<v Speaker 1>into the night like a ghost. This is the story

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<v Speaker 1>of Angel Maturino Riscindez, the man who became known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Railroad Killer.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked Ingrim,

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<v Speaker 2>a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast material intended for a mature audience listener discretion.

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<v Speaker 1>He advised, I feel like we've been starting way too

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<v Speaker 1>many episodes like this recently, But I hope our voices

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<v Speaker 1>don't sound too bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should be.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But it is funny because when people listen to

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<v Speaker 2>someone really regularly, you notice like instantly. I remember as

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<v Speaker 2>a kid watching like soaps with my mom. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and like those come out freaking daily, right Monday to Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if one of the actors was sick, you

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<v Speaker 2>could I would always be able to tell, like right away.

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<v Speaker 1>So our regulars can probably tell. But if you're just

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<v Speaker 1>joining us. Hey, we probably sound not too bad to you,

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<v Speaker 1>but we we didn't come out with last week's Friday

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<v Speaker 1>episode because we didn't have voices, and then I was

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<v Speaker 1>crashed out in the couch for like twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>After that. I thought I was fine until then the

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<v Speaker 1>evening hit and then I was just screwed. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing okay now, mm.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm, yeah, yeah on the men, right, yeah, on.

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<v Speaker 1>The men, and right at the perfect time, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>getting really hot and b it's getting really humid up

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<v Speaker 1>here right now where we live and I'm dying in

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<v Speaker 1>a different, different aspect.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. Oh man, it's not that bad. You are a

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<v Speaker 2>true Northern.

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<v Speaker 1>Europe sweating a little bit right now, just sitting here.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously. Yeah, I could almost put a sweater on right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you serious?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's the hot coffee I'm drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not I'm t get something hot too. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you just like, I don't know, you could never live

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<v Speaker 2>in Mexico or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Could You probably not, But you're also a lizard.

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<v Speaker 2>I could live in Mexico. I don't thrive.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you could ever have it hot enough.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe we just need to try and find a

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<v Speaker 1>balance in between. And that's the perfect person who can

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<v Speaker 1>take the exact temperature.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, yeah, who knows?

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows? But we have an interesting case today, this

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<v Speaker 1>one I've had sitting here research written in Ready to Go.

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<v Speaker 1>It was supposed to come out on a Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I might be a little rusty on this

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<v Speaker 1>because I already researched it and I haven't looked at

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<v Speaker 1>it for a few days. So I'm sorry if I

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<v Speaker 1>am a little rusty on it and I'm stumbling a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. But I think I got this. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I still remember everything. Are you ready for it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I think we have some patrons to thank, do

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<v Speaker 2>we not?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's right? How can I forget about the amazing

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<v Speaker 1>people over on Patreon?

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<v Speaker 2>That sounded so scripted, but you legitimately like, actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Forgot No, that was totally scripted. What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm okay, carry on out us here. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>like that sounded almost too scripted that I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't not say something about that.

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<v Speaker 1>We just played it off really well. Come on, pat

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<v Speaker 1>us in the back sometimes, so shout out to Laura Quello,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Sophie Catherwood, Michelle Kresner, Danny Carlton, Josh Roth, and

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Lassek right on, right on. They get all that

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<v Speaker 1>extra good stuff, and of course they get that exclusive

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<v Speaker 1>episode that comes out of the end of every month

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<v Speaker 1>that does not get released a public It only stays

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<v Speaker 1>on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so news we have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>fun with those episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>So we do. So. Yeah, that episode's actually coming out

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quick because hey, it is June twenty fourth. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I said last week that it was like times flying,

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<v Speaker 1>summer's going by. I mean it is officially summer now.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah. Well, and my wedding season is starting on

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<v Speaker 2>the thirtieth. So ding dang, ding dang.

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<v Speaker 1>Well let's get into this case, shall we.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Well, it is called the Railroad Killer, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is called that for a good reason. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>warm evening in August nineteen ninety seven, and Holly Dunn,

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty year old student at the University of Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 1>was walking along the train tracks in Lexington with her boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Mayer. The two had left a party and hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>lived up to the expectations. You know. The party, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't quite going exactly how they figured it would, so

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<v Speaker 1>they decided to go for a quiet stroll instead. For

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<v Speaker 1>a while, everything felt normal, peaceful, even then, out of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 1>as they were walking, a man appeared from behind an

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<v Speaker 1>electrical box. He had a weapon in his hand too,

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<v Speaker 1>now a Holly, It looked like he was either an

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<v Speaker 1>ice pick or a screwdriver. The first instinct was that

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<v Speaker 1>this was a robbery, so they offered money, credit cards,

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<v Speaker 1>and even the keys to a car. But this wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>about money. It never was. The man tied up Christopher's

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<v Speaker 1>hands behind his back using a shoelace, and did the

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<v Speaker 1>same to Holly with her belt. Then he marched them

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<v Speaker 1>off the train, off the trail, and down into a

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<v Speaker 1>ditch by the railroad. Holly, kneeling beside her boyfriend, stared

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<v Speaker 1>at the attacker there at the tracks. She took everything

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<v Speaker 1>in his accent, a tattoo his face. She was already

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about survival. Quote, if I live through this, I

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<v Speaker 1>will find you. Oh that's the sort of attitude that

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<v Speaker 1>she had.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy yeah, I kind of liked that, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>not like what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then it happened, though without warning, the attacker picked

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<v Speaker 1>up a fifty pound rock and brought it crashing down

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<v Speaker 1>on Christopher's head. Yeah, Chris oh Peffer did not survive.

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<v Speaker 1>It crushed his head.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Holly was now left alone. She was bound terrified, and

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<v Speaker 1>from there she was beaten, raped, and bludgeoned with a

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<v Speaker 1>wooden board until she stopped moving. Afterwards, her attacker then

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. And here they were just like going

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<v Speaker 2>for a little stroll.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, and if only the party was better.

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<v Speaker 1>Right like that, if only one person at that party

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<v Speaker 2>I hate scenarios like that, but I mean it's often

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<v Speaker 2>like that, because like your day is just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>made up and full of choices. Right yeah, so U.

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<v Speaker 2>But they were very clearly in the wrong place at

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong time, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Here's the thing. Though, against all odds, Holly survived okay, So,

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<v Speaker 1>with her jaw broken, her face bruised and bleeding, and

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<v Speaker 1>a nearby house and call for help. DNA was then

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<v Speaker 1>collected from Holly's rape kit and entered into Cotis. The

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<v Speaker 1>FBI's national DNA database, but it came back with no match.

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<v Speaker 1>A composite sketch was then drawn from Holly's memory and

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<v Speaker 1>everything that she made a point of remembering, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't lead anywhere. The man who attacked them had

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<v Speaker 1>left the scene like a ghost, vanishing back into the

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<v Speaker 1>world of the real railway yards in box cars, and Holly,

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<v Speaker 1>the only known survivor, was left with the memory in

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<v Speaker 2>Never forget, oh man, and like yeah, just like complete

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<v Speaker 2>trauma exactly now.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until December seventeenth, nineteen ninety eight, more than

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<v Speaker 1>a year after the attack in Kentucky, that a man

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Angel Riscendez even entered the conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>and by then he'd unfortunately already struck again. So that

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<v Speaker 1>day in December, doctor Claudia Benson, thirty nine year old

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<v Speaker 1>pediatric neurologist and mother of twin girls, had returned home

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<v Speaker 1>from work and was supposed to be enjoying a quiet

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<v Speaker 1>evening at her home in West University Place in Houston, Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>Her husband, George Benton, and their children happened to be

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<v Speaker 1>out of town in this night, which made her especially

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable as she sat alone in her quiet, upscale neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 1>which sat near the train tracks. At some point during

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<v Speaker 1>the night, someone broke into her home. Investigators believed they

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<v Speaker 1>gained entry by prying open a window or a back door,

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<v Speaker 1>and once inside, they waited. Doctor Benton was then attacked

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the night while she slept. The

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<v Speaker 1>intruder beat her over the head with a bronze statue

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen times, causing multiple skull fractures. But he didn't stop there.

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<v Speaker 1>He then stabbed her three times in the back with

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<v Speaker 1>a large butcher knife and sexually assaulted her either before

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<v Speaker 1>or after she died.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, she did die.

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<v Speaker 1>Her body was found in her bedroom after a welfare

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<v Speaker 2>Brutal. You almost wonder if he was watching her then,

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<v Speaker 2>to know that she was like alone.

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<v Speaker 1>He most likely was. He waited till she was asleep, right,

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<v Speaker 1>she probably would have woke up and heard someone breaking in,

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<v Speaker 1>so he entered, waited till she went to sleep, and

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that's brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>When police arrived, the inside of the apartment was torn apart,

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<v Speaker 1>drawers rifled through furniture, overturned, and there was blood everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Claudia laid motionless in a pool of her own blood.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pure savagery. But amidst the horror, police found

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<v Speaker 1>a lead. In the garage, investigators discovered a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>the jeep steering column lying on the floor. The attacker

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<v Speaker 1>had tried to hat wire doctor Benton's car after failing

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<v Speaker 1>to find the keys, and when he pried off the

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<v Speaker 1>plastic panel and left behind four fingerprints. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>first major mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's major for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>The prince came back to an alias Carlos Leon, but

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement quickly pieced together like that this was a

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<v Speaker 1>fake name used by a man with a long history

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<v Speaker 1>of petty crimes and illegal crossings into the US. The

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<v Speaker 1>real identity behind this Carlos was Angel Matarino Rissendez, a

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican national with over a dozen prior arrests and at

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<v Speaker 1>least seven deportations. Now they had a name, they had prints,

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<v Speaker 1>and they also had DNA, and they were beginning to

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<v Speaker 1>see a pattern, a lethal one. Each murder seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>share something in common. Proximity to train tracks, and Gal

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't arriving in town by cars or bus. He was

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<v Speaker 1>riding the rails, literally, hopping freight trains crisscrossing the country

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<v Speaker 1>and the shadows of America's rail network. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>tactic that he gave, you know, it gave him nearly

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<v Speaker 1>endless mobility, honestly, and until now it kept him one

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds so old school, though, hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Very much so. But they weren't the only ones with

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm wondering because at one point you were like murders. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, we only know of one at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the first major breakthrough came from Kentucky when Houston

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<v Speaker 1>from August of nineteen ninety seven, a year and a

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Mayer, who were the ones going.

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<v Speaker 2>For the walk right, Yeah, oh I get okay, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well we do know of one attached to his name.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we officially know of too. It is officially connected.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the time no one had any idea who

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<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff, it led nowhere. But officially this it

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<v Speaker 1>was clear that the Kentucky and Texas murders, though one

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<v Speaker 1>thousand miles apart, were committed by the same individual, and

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<v Speaker 1>now thanks to those fingerprints in Houston, they finally had

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<v Speaker 1>this point. From there, the pieces began falling into place quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't the end of the story. In April

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen ninety nine, a married couple, Norman and Karen Cernik,

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<v Speaker 1>Karen then woke up, only to be killed the exact

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<v Speaker 2>be like, that's the same guy, like that did this,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not necessarily like the same sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>have an individual who were killed, sleeping, bludgened over the head,

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<v Speaker 1>sexually assaulted, and it's by the train tracks. The first

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<v Speaker 1>one little bit different, but there is now this pattern

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. True.

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<v Speaker 1>Also the sexual assault. I guess that connects too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But you just think of like some of these

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<v Speaker 2>high and serial killers, right and they like they have

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<v Speaker 2>little little things that they do, and it's very obvious

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<v Speaker 2>that it's them, you know, or little trademarks or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they freaking do, which is pinpoints to them exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in those cases. Those are more people who

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<v Speaker 1>kill for the sake of killing, people who are serial killers,

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<v Speaker 1>who are psychopath and are obsessed with the kill. They

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<v Speaker 1>have their calling card, they have things that they specifically do,

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<v Speaker 1>and Gel I don't think fits that profiling.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, okay, so we'll talk about it a.

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<v Speaker 1>Little bit though. Don't you worry Now? DNA from that

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<v Speaker 1>scene matched what had been found in Houston and in Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>The fingerprint evidence, the brutality, the signature, it all pointed

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<v Speaker 1>to Angell than that signature, of course, being the railroad track.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of April, authorities from multiple states were

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<v Speaker 1>meeting regularly, building a task force and sharing case files.

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<v Speaker 1>What they saw horrified them. A pattern wasn't just real,

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<v Speaker 1>it was now accelerating, and there was something else, like

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<v Speaker 1>many serial offenders, and Gal didn't seem to be targeting

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<v Speaker 1>specific types of victims, just kind of like what I

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, right, men, women, young, old, He didn't really discriminate.

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<v Speaker 1>What mattered was the opportunity. If you live close to

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<v Speaker 1>the tracks and your home was easy to get into,

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<v Speaker 1>you were at risk. With at least four murders now

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<v Speaker 1>linked to him, law enforcement across the country was a

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<v Speaker 1>high alert, but they had no idea where Angel would

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<v Speaker 1>strike next. By May nineteen ninety nine, the scope of

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<v Speaker 1>Bengel Riscendez and his crimes had moved from a terrifying

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<v Speaker 1>situation to just a surreal one. He was no longer

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<v Speaker 1>killing occasionally. He was on a spree, crisscrossing the country

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<v Speaker 1>by freight train, appearing without warning and vanishing just as fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Each time. The brutality seemed to escalate.

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<v Speaker 2>Body, Oh, I was just going to say, that's terrifying,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's that's such like a vast area you have

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<v Speaker 2>just literally no idea exactly, like, that's that is scary.

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<v Speaker 2>And how the hell to even go about trying to

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<v Speaker 2>solve that?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you even try and go about controlling it

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<v Speaker 1>or mitigating it? Yeah you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>How can you say someone over in Texas dies and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like one thousand miles away. Okay? How can you

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<v Speaker 1>go about say, oh, well that killer is in Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm safe. Yeah you can't. And how can authorities in

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<v Speaker 1>Texas portray the threat being real to someone a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>miles away?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's almost just like impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, yeah, exactly, that's the situation they're faced with now.

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<v Speaker 1>On June fourth, just over a month later, and Gales

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<v Speaker 1>struck again twice in one day. In fact, in Houston,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six year old Noemi Dominguez, a well liked school teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>was found dead in her apartment. She'd been beaten to

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<v Speaker 1>death with a pickaxe like object, most likely a metal rod.

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<v Speaker 1>Her car, a Honda Civic, was missing from the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>And later that same day, one hundred and thirty miles

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<v Speaker 1>away in Fayette County, Texas, Josephine on Vika, a seventy

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<v Speaker 1>three year old widow, was killed in her farmhouse near

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<v Speaker 1>a rural rail line. She had been bludgeoned with the

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<v Speaker 1>same kind of weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, two in one day like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>then also just completely different victims.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now, her jewelry was taken, but her car wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>and Gal was still using the Honda Civic he took

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<v Speaker 1>from Nuemi Dominiinguez. Now at this point the panic was

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<v Speaker 1>setting in. Police now had forensic evidence linking all of

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<v Speaker 1>these scenes, whether it was DNA fingerprints, stolen items, There

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<v Speaker 1>was a consistent m as well homes near the train tracks,

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<v Speaker 1>night attacks, brutal beating, sexual assault and stolen vehicles that

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<v Speaker 1>would later be found abandoned near railway lines or railway hubs.

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<v Speaker 1>However you put it, the message was becoming clear. Wherever

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<v Speaker 1>the tracks went, he could go too. Just eleven days

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<v Speaker 1>later and Gal was over a thousand north in Gorham, Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>and on June fifteenth, he broke into a mobile home

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<v Speaker 1>shared by George Moeber, who was eighty years old and

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter, Carolyn Frederick, who was fifty two. George was

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<v Speaker 1>Carolyn was then beaten to death with the same weapon.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no time for neighbors to react. It was fast, brutal,

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<v Speaker 1>and untraceable until a witness spotted Carolyn's red pickup truck

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<v Speaker 1>being driven by a man matching Engel's description just miles

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<v Speaker 1>from the scene. At this point, nine murders across five

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<v Speaker 1>different states were linked to Engel, and the law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>were losing ground. By the end of June, the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>added Engal to its ten Most Wanted Fugitives list. Posters

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<v Speaker 1>with his face went up around train stations, gas stations, schools,

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<v Speaker 1>and even post offices. He was now the most hunted

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<v Speaker 1>man in America.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, he is going on a freaking rampage here.

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<v Speaker 1>This is is a literal spree. Yeah, and it's one

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't see how authorities could honestly stop. And

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<v Speaker 1>I say that knowing the end result in this case too,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand how police could have stopped him. Just

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<v Speaker 1>put it there. But let's continue now to put it

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<v Speaker 1>in perspective to just how elusive he was. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>use credit cards, he didn't stand motels, he rarely interacted

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<v Speaker 1>with people. He slipped in and out of towns at dark,

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<v Speaker 1>living in railyards, sleeping in empty cars, unseen by the

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<v Speaker 1>everyday world, and still even with half the country looking

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<v Speaker 1>for him, no one could find them. It was impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because and Gil had something most fugitives didn't, a

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<v Speaker 1>near invisible mode of transportation. The rail system, with its

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<v Speaker 1>over one hundred and forty thousand miles of tracks and

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of daily freight movements, made for a massive It's

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<v Speaker 1>just this whole unregulated highway basically, and even if you

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<v Speaker 1>try and police it, you can't. It's too vast. Box

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<v Speaker 1>Cars don't have passenger manifests, Conductors don't check for stowaways.

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<v Speaker 1>And even if they do, there's too many places to check.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't check for every everywhere anything. They can only

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<v Speaker 1>check a fraction of the line. If you knew how

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<v Speaker 1>to ride the rails, you could vanish for days, weeks, months,

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<v Speaker 1>and and Gail had been doing this for years. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a master at it. Law enforcement ramped up fast.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI, Texas Rangers, Border patrol, and local police from

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<v Speaker 1>every affected state joined forces in a nationwide search. Officers

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<v Speaker 1>patrolled rail yards on horsebacks, helicopters scandal lines from above.

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<v Speaker 1>Freight trains were even stopped mid route when possible sightings

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<v Speaker 1>were called, in which of course would be massive. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about stopping an entire train line, who has

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<v Speaker 1>a destination shipping all this shit. Imagine the effect on

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<v Speaker 1>the economy with that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>No kidding, Yeah, this is a big deal. Well, and

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<v Speaker 2>then also to someone could just you know, see someone

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<v Speaker 2>like walking it innocently, but then everyone's so on edge

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<v Speaker 2>that they're like, oh my gosh, that's that's him exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So now, one thing I also want to put into perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of mentioned it earlier, but I haven't talked

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot about it and Gil he's Mexican, right,

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<v Speaker 1>He's crossing the border constantly, so they don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>if he's in the States or if he's in Mexico. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>so when he wants, if he's super wanted in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the States, and he can just be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to disappear for months in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, holy shit. This seems just like freaking impossible exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but then literally everyone is kind of like at

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<v Speaker 2>risk too, exactly, just has like this vast I don't

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<v Speaker 1>How do you take care of this? Like we're panicking,

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<v Speaker 1>Like residents near the tracks, like their houses there, they're

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<v Speaker 1>living in fear. Police were, of course panicking. Many ev

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<v Speaker 1>gel's victims had been murdered in their own homes while

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<v Speaker 1>they slept, right, and randomness made people like paranoid if

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<v Speaker 1>there was a rail line, rail line you know, near

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<v Speaker 1>your home, your your neighborhood, even in your town, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're no longer.

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<v Speaker 2>Safe, no, no, how would you even like really sleep

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<v Speaker 2>if say, if the rail line like backed up, was

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<v Speaker 2>that the in your backyard basically, right, Like, how would

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<v Speaker 2>you even rest?

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<v Speaker 1>You can't? Yeah, So this is like he's a living

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<v Speaker 1>cryptid at this point, because humans shouldn't be able to

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<v Speaker 1>evade police like this, Humans shouldn't be able to get

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<v Speaker 1>in and out of homes like this, disappear like this,

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<v Speaker 1>travel this far like this. It's it. Everything about this

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<v Speaker 1>says it's impossible. But he's doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Hotlines lit up with over a thousand tips a day,

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<v Speaker 1>but most were falling alarms. He was being seen everywhere

423
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<v Speaker 1>and nowhere, all at once at one point, and Gel

424
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<v Speaker 1>was actually picked up by border patrol though near El Paso, Texas,

425
00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:14.799
<v Speaker 1>trying to re enter the country. But incredibly, the system

426
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<v Speaker 1>didn't flag him as a wanted man when they had

427
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<v Speaker 1>him in custody.

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<v Speaker 2>What the shit?

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<v Speaker 1>How come despite being the prime suspect in multiple homicides

430
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<v Speaker 1>and a known fugitive, the database failed. Agents had his fingerprints,

431
00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:34.240
<v Speaker 1>his photograph, and they still let him go.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, how does that happen? Are the systems not

433
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<v Speaker 2>like linked?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I don't know. I mean, honestly, like you're

435
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<v Speaker 1>looking at like nineteen ninety nine at this point, I

436
00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:47.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know how much of it is digital. But they

437
00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:50.160
<v Speaker 1>just they're like, Okay, we got this dude who's entering

438
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:52.680
<v Speaker 1>in the country illegally and they just shipped him back.

439
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<v Speaker 1>Basically that would be out cross checking.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, the most frustrating shit that you you

441
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.160
<v Speaker 2>ever like encountered if you were, you know, actively like

442
00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:06.599
<v Speaker 2>part of this investigation and the search and shit, Holy

443
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<v Speaker 2>brig I couldn't even imagine.

444
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he was basically just sent back to Mexico

445
00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:16.039
<v Speaker 1>and deportated again. Deportated, deported, deportorted, deportated is that even

446
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<v Speaker 1>a word?

447
00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

448
00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Deported He was deported again. There we go. But yeah,

449
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:25.279
<v Speaker 1>just like that, he vanished into Mexico just again gone just.

450
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<v Speaker 2>To probably be back soon enough doing it.

451
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<v Speaker 1>And again, well here's the thing. For weeks there was silence,

452
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<v Speaker 1>There was no sightings, no murders, and investigators feared he'd

453
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<v Speaker 1>actually disappeared for good this time. I mean, like, honestly,

454
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<v Speaker 1>there's good in that. But what they feared was like,

455
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<v Speaker 1>he's either dead hiding in Mexico and he's gonna get

456
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<v Speaker 1>away with it, right, yeah, maybe riding the rails. Who knows,

457
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's planning his next attack. And that's the scary part.

458
00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:54.039
<v Speaker 1>And then came a surprising call Juliette Riscendez, claiming to

459
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<v Speaker 1>be Angel's common law wife, reached out from Mexico. She

460
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<v Speaker 1>been receiving jewelry in the mail sent by Engel himself,

461
00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:07.920
<v Speaker 1>items that were later confirmed to have belonged to several

462
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<v Speaker 1>of the murdered victims. What the law enforcement now had

463
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<v Speaker 1>physical evidence linking him directly to his victims via the belongings.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he had a freaking wife.

465
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he was sending them murdered victims jewelry.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my, okay, this just get this just keeps turning

467
00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:31.559
<v Speaker 2>and turning and turning, Like what is even this case

468
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<v Speaker 2>is bizarre?

469
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<v Speaker 1>Well, then there was another twist because, in a move

470
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<v Speaker 1>no one expected, authorities reached out to someone else, manuela

471
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<v Speaker 1>Angel's older sister who lived in New Mexico. It was

472
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<v Speaker 1>a gamble. Could a sister convince like her brother, now

473
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<v Speaker 1>the most wanted man in America to potentially surrender.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh? I mean if he's this kind of person, then yes,

475
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<v Speaker 2>But also like yeah, the bond of siblings is and

476
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<v Speaker 2>like immediate family, So you think.

477
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<v Speaker 1>That she's going to be able to convince him to surrender.

478
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<v Speaker 2>Oh I thought they were Okay, I get it. I

479
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:08.480
<v Speaker 2>thought they were going to set him up or something

480
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:11.960
<v Speaker 2>like he comes to see his sister, okay, but she's

481
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<v Speaker 2>supposed to like convince him. Oh no, yeah.

482
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<v Speaker 1>No, because he's transient, like he's not staying anywhere. Yeah,

483
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.319
<v Speaker 1>he's just going wherever the wind takes him, wherever he

484
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<v Speaker 1>feels like.

485
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<v Speaker 2>Well then no, probably not, Like it doesn't sound like

486
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:24.680
<v Speaker 2>this guy gives a fuck.

487
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:28.440
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean he really doesn't. But there was a

488
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<v Speaker 1>Texas ranger, Drew Carter, who thought it was worth a

489
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<v Speaker 1>shot to try and get his sister to convince him

490
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<v Speaker 1>to surrender. So he spoke directly with Manuela and made

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<v Speaker 1>her three promises that her brother would be kept safe

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<v Speaker 1>in custody, that he would be allowed to visit have

493
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<v Speaker 1>visits sorry from his family, and he would be given

494
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<v Speaker 1>a full psychiatric evaluation. Manuela hesitated from like like this offer.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to say, it's that she feared the

496
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<v Speaker 1>FBI would kill her brother the moment they saw him,

497
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<v Speaker 1>but they convinced her otherwise and she agreed to try.

498
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<v Speaker 1>What followed was a series of secret messages, back channel negotiations,

499
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:12.799
<v Speaker 1>and handwritten notes passed between family members across the border.

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<v Speaker 1>After weeks of coordination. It happened on July thirteenth, nineteen

501
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:23.759
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine, just after nine am, A dusty blue pickup

502
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<v Speaker 1>truck pulled up to the Zaragoza International Bridge connecting Ciudad Jurez,

503
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Mexico to El Paso, Texas. Inside was a gaunt man

504
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>in dirty jeans, muddy boots and a hollow stare. It

505
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:45.400
<v Speaker 1>was and gel Matta Reino Riscindez. He stepped out, nodded

506
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.880
<v Speaker 1>to authorities and quietly gave himself up.

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<v Speaker 2>This it's so interesting to me that they just they

508
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:57.119
<v Speaker 2>knew who they're like searching for right this whole time basically,

509
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<v Speaker 2>and that it was this hard and had they actually

510
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:03.920
<v Speaker 2>had to get him to freaking surrender to catch him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why I was saying earlier. I researched this,

512
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<v Speaker 1>I know how it ends, and I still think it

513
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<v Speaker 1>would have been impossible for police to catch him, huh,

514
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:14.039
<v Speaker 1>because he just turned himself in.

515
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

516
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<v Speaker 1>If he didn't turn himself in, I don't think he

517
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<v Speaker 1>ever would have been caught.

518
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Like why did he? I wonder just done with this

519
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:21.480
<v Speaker 2>or why?

520
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:24.039
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, no clue.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm sorry, but like if someone doing these type

522
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:32.039
<v Speaker 2>of horrific acts and crimes like why would you exactly

523
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 2>you know your fate?

524
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now, the manhunt was over and authorities were relieved

525
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>but not satisfied. His surrender had ended a wave of terror,

526
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:43.839
<v Speaker 1>but what followed would be a battle of accountability, motive,

527
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 1>and mental stability. By the time the trial began in

528
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:50.319
<v Speaker 1>May of two thousand, prosecutors had formerly linked and Gale

529
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>to at least nine murders spanning from Florida to Illinois,

530
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.720
<v Speaker 1>though he claimed in interviews that he'd killed as many

531
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<v Speaker 1>as forty people.

532
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Seriously or perhaps even more, what the heck is wrong

533
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.519
<v Speaker 2>with this guy? Like what is he doing?

534
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Now, the state of Texas made a strategic decision

535
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:16.839
<v Speaker 1>rather than charge him for every murder across multiple jurisdictions,

536
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:22.680
<v Speaker 1>they would focus solely on one case, one brutal air

537
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.519
<v Speaker 1>type case, one that they knew they would get a

538
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.480
<v Speaker 1>conviction on for sure. The case was the murder of

539
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:31.079
<v Speaker 1>doctor Claudia Benton.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that makes sense, but they also got to make

541
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:38.119
<v Speaker 2>sure that it's like full conviction and like life and stuff. Oh,

542
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:40.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, like he's not getting out for sure.

543
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Now, the evidence against him in Claudia's killings was overwhelming,

544
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>the DNA fingerprints, eyewitness accounts of him driving her stolen car,

545
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:52.079
<v Speaker 1>the stolen jewelry sent to his common law wife. Prosecutors

546
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.200
<v Speaker 1>saw this as inn like the cleanest path to securing

547
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>what they were after, which was the death penalty.

548
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so they think this is basically a slam

549
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:02.480
<v Speaker 2>dunk conry.

550
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but Angel was an entering court quietly. His attorneys

551
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.119
<v Speaker 1>mounted an insanity defense, claiming their client was mentally ill

552
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.400
<v Speaker 1>and legally incompetent at the time of the murder. They

553
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.279
<v Speaker 1>argued that he was schizophrenic, had suffered from head trauma

554
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:21.079
<v Speaker 1>as a child, and was incapable of distinguishing right from wrong.

555
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.480
<v Speaker 1>In the courtroom, and Gal leaned into that image as well.

556
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:28.799
<v Speaker 1>He rambled about being half man, half angel, about God

557
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:31.799
<v Speaker 1>telling him to kill sinners, about his body being a

558
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:35.559
<v Speaker 1>shell for another entity. He claimed the murders weren't really

559
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>his doing, they were divine punishment carried out through him.

560
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:43.319
<v Speaker 1>Psychiatrists hired by the defense described him as paranoid, delusional,

561
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:46.920
<v Speaker 1>and suffering from hallucinations. They said he believed he could

562
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:50.720
<v Speaker 1>cause earthquakes, floods, and plagues, and that his victims were

563
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:56.079
<v Speaker 1>all evil but prosecutors, they pushed back hard. They focus

564
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:58.839
<v Speaker 1>not just on the brutality of Angal's crime, but the

565
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>planning behind them. He didn't wander into these homes. He

566
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:06.960
<v Speaker 1>watched his victims. He waited for them while they're sleeping,

567
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:10.480
<v Speaker 1>and he used cover from the passing trains to conceal

568
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.279
<v Speaker 1>his entries. He took cash, jewelry, cars, He removed light

569
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>bulbs from car domes to avoid detection when driving. They

570
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:22.519
<v Speaker 1>weren't the actions of someone lost in psychosis. They were deliberate, methodical,

571
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:27.519
<v Speaker 1>and self serving actions. A fellow inmate from a Florida

572
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:32.160
<v Speaker 1>prison also testified that Angel had spent significant time in

573
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the law library researching the insanity defense. He even helped

574
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>other inmates build similar strategies. It painted a chilling picture

575
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:44.039
<v Speaker 1>not of a man gripped by madness, but of someone

576
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:46.039
<v Speaker 1>playing the system.

577
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:49.519
<v Speaker 2>No kidding like this is not okay.

578
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.799
<v Speaker 1>But the most emotional moment came when Hally Dunne, the

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<v Speaker 1>lone survivor from nineteen ninety seven in her attack in Kentucky.

580
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<v Speaker 1>When she took the stand, facing her attacker for the

581
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:06.079
<v Speaker 1>first time since that night, Holly Dunn described in detail

582
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.519
<v Speaker 1>how Angel had tied her up, had raped her, and

583
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>left her for dead beside her murdered boyfriend on the tracks.

584
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:16.839
<v Speaker 1>She told the jury about her injuries, the broken jaw,

585
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.599
<v Speaker 1>the cut staple shut, the trauma she carried, and then

586
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.440
<v Speaker 1>when asked to identify her attacker, she looked directly at

587
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:28.640
<v Speaker 1>him and said, he's wearing a white buttoned down shirt.

588
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:32.920
<v Speaker 1>It was the first and only time she made eye

589
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.359
<v Speaker 1>contact with that man who tried to kill her.

590
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh that would like that is some strength, really, hey,

591
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:40.480
<v Speaker 2>to be able to go and do that.

592
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 1>She is our badass of the day, just saying so.

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<v Speaker 1>Hitting now May twenty second, two thousand. The jury took

594
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:51.279
<v Speaker 1>seven hours to reach a verdict guilty of capital murder.

595
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Next came sentencing. Prosecutors pushed for the death penalty, arguing

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<v Speaker 1>that Ungel's crimes were not only premeditated, but part of

597
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>a passat of thrill seeking brutality, and the jury agreed.

598
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:10.319
<v Speaker 1>Angell Mattino Risendez was sentenced to death by lethal injection.

599
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:16.799
<v Speaker 1>But the story wasn't over. Not yet. After his conviction,

600
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:20.559
<v Speaker 1>Angel was transferred to death row in the Terial Unit

601
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:24.079
<v Speaker 1>in Livingston, Texas, a maximum security facility housing some of

602
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the most dangerous criminals in the state. He would spend

603
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>his next six years there, appealing his sentence and altering

604
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:34.640
<v Speaker 1>between long stretches of silence and bizarre outbursts. At times,

605
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.799
<v Speaker 1>he spoke of God and redemption. Other times he insisted

606
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<v Speaker 1>that the murders had not been committed by him, but

607
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:45.319
<v Speaker 1>by a spiritual force that used his body. He said

608
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<v Speaker 1>that he was an angel sent by God, not a man.

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00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Angell's legal team filed appeals based on the mental state,

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<v Speaker 1>arguing he was not competent to be executed. His mother

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00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:58.920
<v Speaker 1>testified that he had suffered multiple head injuries as a

612
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<v Speaker 1>child and long exhibited signs of schizophrenia. His lawyers pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out his delusions, including the belief he would rise from

614
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 1>the dead three days after his execution, as proof he

615
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.440
<v Speaker 1>was not sane enough to face that death sentence, but

616
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:17.519
<v Speaker 1>the courts didn't agree. On June twenty one, two thousand

617
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.199
<v Speaker 1>and six, a judge in Houston ruled that Angel was

618
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:26.400
<v Speaker 1>legally competent. Court appointed psychiatrists acknowledged that while he experienced delusions,

619
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<v Speaker 1>he understood the nature of his crimes, the punishment he faced,

620
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.599
<v Speaker 1>and the finality of execution. That was enough to meet

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00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:39.280
<v Speaker 1>the legal standard. His final appeals were denied. The state

622
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.079
<v Speaker 1>of Texas set an execution date July twenty seventh, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six. As a day approached, there was no

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<v Speaker 1>sign of remorse, and in an interview before his execution,

625
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<v Speaker 1>and Gell reportedly said he felt no emotion towards his victims,

626
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<v Speaker 1>that they were sinners.

627
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<v Speaker 2>Quote unquote, that is just so disturbing.

628
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<v Speaker 1>And that they deserve to die.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

630
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:05.159
<v Speaker 1>He maintained that he was an agent of God and

631
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<v Speaker 1>that his life was temporary and his spirit would live on.

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<v Speaker 1>And when the day finally came, it was at eight

633
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<v Speaker 1>five pm when Angal Metavino Riscendez was pronounced dead by

634
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:21.760
<v Speaker 1>lethal injection. He left behind no final writings, no public

635
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:26.119
<v Speaker 1>confession to the many other murders he hinted at, just silence.

636
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 1>But the questions didn't die with them. Was he truly

637
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:34.840
<v Speaker 1>insane or was it part of a performance. How many

638
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:38.119
<v Speaker 1>people did he actually kill? And how many more might

639
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:41.440
<v Speaker 1>be out there, buried, nameless and forgotten near the same

640
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>railroads that he rode like a phantom. Those answers may

641
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:50.760
<v Speaker 1>never come. Trying to understand and Gal Riscendez is like

642
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:55.039
<v Speaker 1>trying to look into a cracked mirror. Everything about him

643
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.159
<v Speaker 1>seems real until you try to make sense of it,

644
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:01.199
<v Speaker 1>and it just becomes distorted and a mess. To some,

645
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 1>he was a man gripped by madness, and to others

646
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.440
<v Speaker 1>he was a cold, cunning predator who used the illusion

647
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:12.800
<v Speaker 1>of insanity to justify unimaginable cruelty. Psychiatrists who interviewed him

648
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:17.280
<v Speaker 1>found evidence of delusions, particularly around religion. He believed that

649
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:21.559
<v Speaker 1>people he killed were evil and spoke about visions causing earthquakes, floods,

650
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.320
<v Speaker 1>all these sort of things. He said his victims would

651
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.920
<v Speaker 1>thank him in the afterlife. But dig deeper and a

652
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>different picture starts to emerge. And Gell was an erratic

653
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:37.400
<v Speaker 1>in the same way many psychotic offenders are. He didn't

654
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:41.800
<v Speaker 1>lash out in public, he didn't spiral into incoherence. Instead,

655
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:46.079
<v Speaker 1>he waited, he planned, and he chose his moments carefully.

656
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.960
<v Speaker 1>His crimes followed a method. Stake out a home near

657
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:54.039
<v Speaker 1>railroad tracks, wait until late at night, break in quietly,

658
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and kill with whatever was on hand a hammer, a

659
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:02.159
<v Speaker 1>statue of pickaxe. Then he'd clean up just enough to

660
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:05.519
<v Speaker 1>get away and vanish into the night on another freight train.

661
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:11.639
<v Speaker 1>His methodical approach led many forensic psychologists to label him

662
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:18.079
<v Speaker 1>as disorganized serial killer with organized traits, someone whose crimes

663
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:22.480
<v Speaker 1>showed a chaotic violence but were executed with intention and awareness.

664
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:26.719
<v Speaker 1>He didn't have a single victim type. His killings were opportunistic,

665
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:31.000
<v Speaker 1>but often driven by the chance to rob or the

666
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:36.199
<v Speaker 1>ease of access, But he was undeniably fueled by rage

667
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 1>and dominance. One unsettling detail repeated across multiple crime scenes.

668
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:45.960
<v Speaker 1>After murdering his victims, many of whom were elderly or female,

669
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:50.480
<v Speaker 1>he often covered the bodies with blankets. Now, this small act,

670
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:54.599
<v Speaker 1>seen in serial killer profiling, is sometimes interpreted as a

671
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.880
<v Speaker 1>twisted form of remorse or control, an attempt to symbolically

672
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:04.199
<v Speaker 1>hide the crime after committing it. His specific reasoning, who

673
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:08.480
<v Speaker 1>knows now. In the end, the psychiatric community remained divided.

674
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Was Engal Resendez mentally ill? Most certainly, was he legally insane,

675
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:17.920
<v Speaker 1>incapable of understanding right from wrong? Well, the jury didn't

676
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:24.199
<v Speaker 1>think so. Was he dangerous? Unquestionably? When Engellmentarito Resendez died

677
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:27.039
<v Speaker 1>by lethal injection on July twenty seventh, two thousand and six,

678
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>it marked the end of a terrifying chapter in American

679
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.719
<v Speaker 1>criminal history. His crimes cut across at least six US states,

680
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:38.519
<v Speaker 1>from Florida to Illinois to Texas, and possibly into Mexico

681
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>as well. Angell himself claimed to have killed more than

682
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:47.480
<v Speaker 1>forty people, though only a total of fifteen murders were

683
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:48.960
<v Speaker 1>formally linked to him.

684
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.400
<v Speaker 2>That is still a shit ton, yeap.

685
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.679
<v Speaker 1>Some investigators privately suspected the real.

686
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Number was much higher then fifteen, or then forty.

687
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:06.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean fifteen, Okay, yeah, forty. That's a claim coming

688
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:10.400
<v Speaker 1>directly from him. It's possible, definitely possible, and it's possible

689
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:14.119
<v Speaker 1>it is higher than that. But connecting anything is another thing.

690
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

691
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:18.559
<v Speaker 1>So, because he moved primarily by freight train, slipping from

692
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:20.760
<v Speaker 1>town to town undetected, we may never know the true

693
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:24.599
<v Speaker 1>scope of his violence. Holly Dunn, the only known survivor

694
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:28.440
<v Speaker 1>and Gel's attacks, became a voice for the voiceless, and

695
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.800
<v Speaker 1>the years after her recovery, she launched Holly's House, a

696
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:37.119
<v Speaker 1>nonprofit organization dedicated to helping victims of violent crimes. Her

697
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:41.119
<v Speaker 1>advocacy turned pain into purpose, and her testimony in court

698
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:45.280
<v Speaker 1>helped put Angel away. Just more reasons why Holly's are

699
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:49.320
<v Speaker 1>badass of the Day yeah, totally. Now, for all the lessons,

700
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.960
<v Speaker 1>all the details, all the facts and everything from this case,

701
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.519
<v Speaker 1>the railroad killer story, it still rings with a sense

702
00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:00.440
<v Speaker 1>of unease. He didn't fit neatly into any mold, not

703
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.599
<v Speaker 1>anything that we can generally think of, like I was

704
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:07.199
<v Speaker 1>saying earlier, stereotypical serial killers who are out for something. Yeah,

705
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:09.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, he wasn't a product of a single trauma

706
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:13.199
<v Speaker 1>or alone, you know, a psychological disorder, or even a

707
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:17.559
<v Speaker 1>classical criminal profile. He was invisible, drifting between towns, identities,

708
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:21.880
<v Speaker 1>and realities. And for years he lived, jumping borders, evading detection,

709
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:26.239
<v Speaker 1>and killing without pattern in a way and gel Risceendez.

710
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 1>And his greatest weapon wasn't a hammer, wasn't a knife

711
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.400
<v Speaker 1>or any other blunt object he found. It wasn't a train.

712
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:37.960
<v Speaker 1>It was movement. He moved faster than systems. He moved

713
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:41.239
<v Speaker 1>past people's assumptions. He moved in and out of nightmares,

714
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.760
<v Speaker 1>and often no one knew he had ever been there

715
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.880
<v Speaker 1>until it was far too late. Now, decades later, the

716
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:51.719
<v Speaker 1>rails he used, they're still running, trains still whistle through

717
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.159
<v Speaker 1>the small towns at night. But the fear he once

718
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:58.079
<v Speaker 1>carried with him that at least it has passed. What

719
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:01.760
<v Speaker 1>remains is the memory of the lives he ended and

720
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:05.199
<v Speaker 1>the justice that finally caught up with him. In the end,

721
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.800
<v Speaker 1>on Gal Risendez met the fate he gave so many others,

722
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.599
<v Speaker 1>but it still wasn't enough. He handed himself over. He

723
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.039
<v Speaker 1>never felt the fear he forced on his victims. He

724
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:20.519
<v Speaker 1>never cared. It was all always on his own terms.

725
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.400
<v Speaker 1>He had the power until the very end. Maybe that's

726
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:28.599
<v Speaker 1>what makes his case so undeniably haunting. And that's a

727
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:32.119
<v Speaker 1>story of a Gale ris Endez, the railroad killer.

728
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't like that he has the power until the

729
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:36.960
<v Speaker 2>very end.

730
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I think he did. He did. I hate it, but

731
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:42.079
<v Speaker 1>I think he did just.

732
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.440
<v Speaker 2>To note something you had said, just to make sure

733
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.159
<v Speaker 2>I didn't hear this wrong. That he was like, how

734
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:53.920
<v Speaker 2>do I word this? Educating people about how to get

735
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 2>away with pleading insanity or whatever.

736
00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there was someone a cellmate who said that

737
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Angel was researching like insanity please while in prison and

738
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, before his trial, and yeah, he was helping

739
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:10.960
<v Speaker 1>others do the same thing.

740
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:16.559
<v Speaker 2>WHOA Okay, because that that right there doesn't necessarily seem

741
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:21.480
<v Speaker 2>like like that you would that you actually are you.

742
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah, well, exactly what the prosecutors were pointing out.

743
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:29.360
<v Speaker 1>How can this be an insane man? Yeah, and he's

744
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:33.760
<v Speaker 1>literally researching it educa to do. Yeah, that's not insanity. No,

745
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.760
<v Speaker 1>that's very clearly a sane person.

746
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and I find it very frustrating too that

747
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.480
<v Speaker 2>he had so many victims, so many families that he impacted,

748
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:49.559
<v Speaker 2>and they're not necessarily getting the closure of him being

749
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:53.400
<v Speaker 2>charged with like, you know, the crimes he did to them,

750
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure.

751
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean they chose to only charge him for the

752
00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:59.760
<v Speaker 1>one because they knew it was full proof, right.

753
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:00.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

754
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's that's another way of looking at it.

755
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:04.840
<v Speaker 1>You're totally right, is that's taking away the closure from

756
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the other families. Yeah.

757
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:07.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean I get why they did it and stuff,

758
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.480
<v Speaker 2>but then also I just feel that would be hard,

759
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess in your healing journey a little bit, you know,

760
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.400
<v Speaker 2>and you know, like I said, find the closure.

761
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:20.800
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but it's still it's not full closure. I mean, sure,

762
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe he got charged from it from every single one

763
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:26.119
<v Speaker 1>of them. Say there is over forty that he did

764
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:29.039
<v Speaker 1>did kill, and say he got charged for every single

765
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:33.679
<v Speaker 1>one of them. It's just hypothetical situation here, he's still

766
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.199
<v Speaker 1>at the end. He didn't care. Yeah, he had no remorse.

767
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:41.280
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I don't care, wasn't me? They're the sinners.

768
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:44.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm good and I'm I don't care that I'm dying

769
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:47.039
<v Speaker 1>because I'm going to live on anyways. That's why he

770
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:48.239
<v Speaker 1>had the power to the very end.

771
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Speaker 2>This is unbelievable, and I don't find that, you know,

772
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.199
<v Speaker 2>that forty number far fetched.

773
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't either, I really don't, which is really.

774
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Disturbing because there's so many just like unsolved things right

775
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:04.239
<v Speaker 2>in the world, and it's because freaking assholes like this

776
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:05.320
<v Speaker 2>are doing it.

777
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not like comparing

778
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:13.079
<v Speaker 1>cases here. We've covered some gruesome cases, some very horrifying cases,

779
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:16.880
<v Speaker 1>some very terrifying individuals, But I think Angel is one

780
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:20.880
<v Speaker 1>of the most terrifying individuals that we have covered on

781
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:25.599
<v Speaker 1>this show because of what he was capable of and because.

782
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Unstoppable basical basically he was.

783
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:34.119
<v Speaker 1>He was unfucking stoppable, and he chose to let the

784
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 1>cops take him in.

785
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:39.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and didn't give a shit. Yeah, he easily could

786
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.239
<v Speaker 2>just carry on doing that for the rest of his life.

787
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Probably killing people has no remorse, doesn't give a shit.

788
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it, and that's that's what's terrifying. That's it.

789
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:53.880
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't care. He just sure like it probably didn't

790
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:56.199
<v Speaker 1>really take that much to convince him, Oh you should

791
00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:59.519
<v Speaker 1>turn yourself in. H sure, I guess why not? Like

792
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:00.679
<v Speaker 1>fuck all right?

793
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.440
<v Speaker 2>And that's where though, I'm like, they have to be

794
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.679
<v Speaker 2>insane to be able to just take that many people's

795
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:10.480
<v Speaker 2>life lives and just ruin you know, other people's lives

796
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:12.760
<v Speaker 2>that you know are their loved ones and just not

797
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:13.880
<v Speaker 2>give a flying shit.

798
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:22.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he's so fucking scary. Oh yeah, So anyways, if

799
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:23.920
<v Speaker 1>you live by a railroad track, make sure you lock

800
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:24.840
<v Speaker 1>your door at night.

801
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Anyone, just lock your Oh yeah really.

802
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:29.559
<v Speaker 1>I feel like every time we cover a story, it's

803
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.159
<v Speaker 1>just a new reason to lock your door, uh huh,

804
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:33.599
<v Speaker 1>and not trust people.

805
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I just have to say one more thing, because

806
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:39.960
<v Speaker 2>he almost seemed like he was just he didn't have

807
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:42.920
<v Speaker 2>like any physical needs himself, right, Like he was easily

808
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:46.920
<v Speaker 2>able to just be transient, like you said, sleep in

809
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:49.960
<v Speaker 2>these railcars. When he turned himself in, he was like,

810
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:52.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't think super taking care of himself.

811
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 1>No, he wasn't.

812
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:55.800
<v Speaker 2>So it was just like he was just almost like

813
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.280
<v Speaker 2>this like robotic machine that just like I don't know,

814
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Well, this one's fucking with me a

815
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:04.440
<v Speaker 2>little bit because he just like goes and does these

816
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:07.159
<v Speaker 2>murders and then moves on to the next one, and

817
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.119
<v Speaker 2>it seems almost kind of like robotic ish.

818
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:11.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, you have to think of it in

819
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.559
<v Speaker 1>the way of like a transient individual, like someone who

820
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:19.159
<v Speaker 1>is unfortunately unhomed. They have to live by, you know,

821
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.519
<v Speaker 1>day to day situations. He was living by a day

822
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 1>to day situation. He was going where he needed to go,

823
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:27.519
<v Speaker 1>going where he wanted to go, doing what he needed

824
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:31.320
<v Speaker 1>to do. However, most people in that situation do that

825
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:35.599
<v Speaker 1>for survival. He wasn't doing it for survival. What he

826
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:39.519
<v Speaker 1>was doing it for who fucking knows. Who knows what

827
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.440
<v Speaker 1>his motive was, what his drive was to go to

828
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the next town, what his drive was to break into

829
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:48.159
<v Speaker 1>a place? Was he breaking into a place to kill someone?

830
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Was he breaking into a place to sexually assault someone?

831
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Was he breaking into a place for food? Was he

832
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:56.679
<v Speaker 1>breaking into a place to steal jewelry and send to

833
00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 1>his family in Mexico so they could have better money

834
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:03.760
<v Speaker 1>and live better. We don't know why huh, what's his reason?

835
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Most people do it for survival, for food. He had

836
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.960
<v Speaker 1>many reasons, but he was we still don't know, because

837
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:12.960
<v Speaker 1>he was just doing all this shit.

838
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Huh. Yeah. I mean maybe that's why. It's also a

839
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:19.239
<v Speaker 2>bit terrifying too, because a lot of the other ones,

840
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:23.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, they had this need. They were serial killer,

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<v Speaker 2>psychopaths or whatever, and they're fulfilling a need. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>harder to understand I guess his need. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>he had a need necessarily.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't get me wrong, I don't think any of

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<v Speaker 1>these serial killers have a need. It's a desire.

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<v Speaker 2>A desire. Okay, poor choice of words, but do you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>What you mean? Yeah, no, but he didn't have I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think he had a desire. I don't think he

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<v Speaker 1>had a drive. I think he was just.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just doing it for the sake of doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this a well known one.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's relatively well known? Yeah, okay, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like a huge it's it's a huge case, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like it's not an a list.

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<v Speaker 2>On Netflix stock on it yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I don't know if there is.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't look out, just look up to see if

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<v Speaker 2>there was Okay, there should be.

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<v Speaker 1>There should be. But anyways, thanks for being here. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>you guys can stay safe out there, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>do lock your doors, you'll just be a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more safe, you know, try and do those things to

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<v Speaker 1>keep people like this out of your home because that's terrifying. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for being here. There's stuff in the description.

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<v Speaker 1>Go check it out. We're an indie podcast. It's just us.

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<v Speaker 1>My voice is fading. I don't know if you can tell. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I almost cough there, which is why I was positive

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<v Speaker 1>like three times. But anyways, thank you for being here.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate you, and until next time, stay wicked.