Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome to Rose Pricks. It's Tuesday morning,
Speaker 1: bright and early, and Cecily and I did our job
Speaker 1: and we.
Speaker 2: Watched The Bachelorette last night. How do macro? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I got a
Speaker 2: mac I got a macro for you. Okay, Spencer's turtleneck
Speaker 2: is unacceptable. It is not acceptable. What about Marcus's. Neither
Speaker 2: is Marcus's and they are the same, by the way,
Speaker 2: one is just in a cream and one is in black.
Speaker 2: I looked very closely. They're basically so they so production
Speaker 2: must have gone out and just bought like a package
Speaker 2: of these at like Target. We'll just get nine of
Speaker 2: them in every collar right. For some reason, I don't
Speaker 2: know why it looks worse on Spencer than it does
Speaker 2: on Marcus. It does look worse, but it is the
Speaker 2: worst clothing choice I've ever seen on any reality show.
Speaker 2: And that includes like flave of Flame. Wow, that is
Speaker 2: strong that I know. Have strong words, y'all. I should
Speaker 2: just come clean. I'm not in the best mood, so
Speaker 2: just come I woke up with a spider on my
Speaker 2: face and it just put me in a mood. Is
Speaker 2: that a euphemis I wish. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I do wish it's just been rosy. But what if
Speaker 2: I just start calling you spider face, spider spiderface instead
Speaker 2: of butterface, which I always thought was mean. That was
Speaker 2: very mean. That's really mean. Didn't like spider father. Did
Speaker 2: it hurt you? No, it's just resting. Did it just No?
Speaker 2: It was crawling and I was I was having a
Speaker 2: hard time because my dog was just up all hours.
Speaker 2: So I finally closed my eye. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I get just ten minutes and I wake I
Speaker 2: feel something on my face and I wake up and
Speaker 2: there's a spider just crawling across my face. Luckily Monroe
Speaker 2: was not in the bed because if he were and
Speaker 2: I reacted to that like like that, he goes nuts
Speaker 2: and we'll try to like bite the spider. But it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter where that spider is, you know what I mean? Right?
Speaker 2: So he would bite your face, yes he would have,
Speaker 2: but he wasn't there. So even though I've been but
Speaker 2: because of that, I've been trained to be really calm
Speaker 2: if there's like a bug, so I'll just be okay, okay, okay, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 2: So there's like slowly got out of bed, but it's
Speaker 2: somewhere in my bed.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, sure, how does Monroe react if, say,
Speaker 1: like the towels in the bathroom are not hung completely evenly?
Speaker 2: Oh well after that are not organized like, you know, neatly?
Speaker 2: Does Monroe get matt like? Do you have to be
Speaker 2: really careful? I feel like I know where you're headed
Speaker 2: with this. But the thing is is you don't see
Speaker 2: him when he's in a good mood. You only hear
Speaker 2: about this stuff where he's like pissed off or whatever.
Speaker 2: And yes, he's particular about certain things, and yes they
Speaker 2: wrote that j Lo movie about it where he had
Speaker 2: to swim to shore truly, but he's not like that
Speaker 2: most of the time.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, okay, No, I am not saying that you
Speaker 1: need to break up with Monroe.
Speaker 2: You're right, I don't see Monroe. I'm sure there's a
Speaker 2: lot of good things. I mean, he's the love of
Speaker 2: my life. He is my soulmate. That part is true,
Speaker 2: but it's just it's no I understand.
Speaker 1: Oh boys, You're like, sometimes when I get in like
Speaker 1: an argument with somebody, Monroe doesn't take my side, which
Speaker 1: is just weird.
Speaker 2: Monroe will be like, well, how are you behaving? Which
Speaker 2: is in this conversation. I know this is more a
Speaker 2: bored thing, but maybe we should have this card, like,
Speaker 2: how do you feel about that? Do you are you mad?
Speaker 2: If you feel like John is not doing the teamwork?
Speaker 2: You want a teammate right, like, of course, but you
Speaker 2: don't want him to blindly follow your opinions.
Speaker 1: Well pretty much though, I don't want him to not
Speaker 1: blindly follow my opinions. I mean, what are husbands for.
Speaker 1: It's not like my therapist. I don't need to be challenged, right.
Speaker 2: I think about this in turn, and I'm bringing it
Speaker 2: back to the Bachelor Aurette today. See that's what we do.
Speaker 2: I wonder when you're choosing, You've got these guys, all
Speaker 2: these guys to choose from all these maga maga dudes.
Speaker 2: What a joy for her? Uh huh? Like, who do
Speaker 2: you choose? Do you? Like? I want the guy that
Speaker 2: just kind of has my back, or I want the
Speaker 2: guy that can protect me against as some sort of
Speaker 2: military attack. I don't know, I don't know. I'm a
Speaker 2: shrug emoji right now.
Speaker 1: Listen, we've found out and this is this. If you're
Speaker 1: if you're interested. We did a whole ask Patreon episode
Speaker 1: about it last week, but we found out some very
Speaker 1: problematic views that Devin has now.
Speaker 2: I believe. We did talk about this on the Regular
Speaker 2: Show a while ago, where it turned out that during
Speaker 2: the Truth or Dare game, uh, he was asked about
Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory that he believes or some worse or something.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what he was asked, but his answer
Speaker 1: was that he doesn't He thinks that nine to eleven
Speaker 1: was an inside job and apparently it didn't make it
Speaker 1: into the edit. So reality, Steve is the one who
Speaker 1: told us that, and he told us that on the
Speaker 1: episode that we did with him.
Speaker 2: So sometime back, Yeah, we've known some stuff about Devin.
Speaker 2: He's the one who broke the news. And then Steph
Speaker 2: did a deep dive on Reddit and we we definitely
Speaker 2: talked about that extensively on Patreon a week ago. By
Speaker 2: the way, if you guys aren't on Rosebricks Patreon, get
Speaker 2: on there because we're on.
Speaker 1: So the thing is that some people thought it was
Speaker 1: he was joking, you know, and I thought he was joking, right.
Speaker 1: A lot of people thought he was joking, a lot
Speaker 1: of people thought like Oh, he's just being like, that's
Speaker 1: kind of a young thing to like make kind of
Speaker 1: make a joke about, like, you know, because younger people
Speaker 1: weren't directly affected by nine to eleven, most of them,
Speaker 1: So sometimes I guess that could be something that they
Speaker 1: could kind of like make a dark joke about. But
Speaker 1: it turns out not so much. He was completely serious
Speaker 1: and he's super right wing and follows this really gross
Speaker 1: account called the Something Liberal, which is the opposite liberal,
Speaker 1: typical liberal, and there's a ton of real bad anti LGBT,
Speaker 1: anti trans, anti immigrant, anti you know, just bullying, awful stuff,
Speaker 1: and he's liked a lot of these posts.
Speaker 2: It's bad, right. No, he's not good. And we were
Speaker 2: shocked surprised to hear it because they gave him that
Speaker 2: Pete Davidson narrative for no reason, and so you're sort
Speaker 2: of thinking, oh, he's like that, but he's nothing like that.
Speaker 2: He's he's not great, And it's interesting to watch this
Speaker 2: play out. It's really weird to watch him now because
Speaker 2: he'd become one of our favorites.
Speaker 1: Yes, so my question is like, because we've and we've
Speaker 1: talked about this a million times, this is like age
Speaker 1: old question do.
Speaker 2: They not discuss anything like and I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: even think.
Speaker 1: That this stuff is like pure politics. It's like, sure,
Speaker 1: you can keep politics out of it, but these are
Speaker 1: just worldviews.
Speaker 2: These are just you know, are you a good person?
Speaker 2: Kind of thing?
Speaker 1: Like do you do you hate the LGBT community? Because
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that Jen would be down with that now.
Speaker 1: So if she's not down with that, you know, and listen,
Speaker 1: I if two people are both sort of like and
Speaker 1: this isn't about like Republicans, this is about dark, like
Speaker 1: hateful views and thinking that dehumanizing a certain group of people.
Speaker 1: So my question is do they completely keep all discussions
Speaker 1: of that out until fantasy sweet or do they do
Speaker 1: these things sneak in? And so she's making these choices
Speaker 1: by keeping these people around knowing that they have these views.
Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. What do you I
Speaker 2: don't know, that's a good question. I really I don't know.
Speaker 2: But it's disturbing and it's really hard to watch knowing
Speaker 2: what we know now because we typically don't get spoiled
Speaker 2: on the show. I kind of don't like to know anything,
Speaker 2: but this year was just impossible, you know, because stuff's
Speaker 2: just coming out that it's getting better, right, and like
Speaker 2: that's it's they got to do a better job at vetting.
Speaker 2: But I guess there's only so much you can do.
Speaker 1: But I feel like it wouldn't be that hard to
Speaker 1: go look at people's social media m M.
Speaker 2: And look to see although did did he unlike those posts?
Speaker 2: Like was that screenshot a long time ago? But he
Speaker 2: didn't unlike them? But now apparently he, you know, found
Speaker 2: out that people were going crazy and finding out all
Speaker 2: this stuff, So now he's liking some like Kamala Harris posts.
Speaker 2: But people are like bullshit, h.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you would think that, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe before you come on the show, you would go
Speaker 1: check your social media. And I mean people are smart
Speaker 1: enough to erase old problematic tweets.
Speaker 2: Right right. I mean maybe he'll address it. But let's okay,
Speaker 2: let's get into today because we got a lot to
Speaker 2: get through because we start out this episode with Matt
Speaker 2: Matthew the ex boyfriend. This poor dude. Okay, let me
Speaker 2: just set this up. He gets, he gets he's so tired.
Speaker 2: He gets on a plane. He flies to New Zealand.
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what is that twenty seven thousand
Speaker 2: hours Cecily.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you understand though, that he did
Speaker 1: pay his own way.
Speaker 2: Jesse wants you to know, they did not Production did
Speaker 2: not pay for this, paid his own way, which also sucks.
Speaker 1: He wants us to know. Everybody wants us to know.
Speaker 1: Jen wants us to know, like, we get it, we
Speaker 1: get it. He had Miles. He's cool like.
Speaker 2: That, And I told you last week that I didn't
Speaker 2: see it between them. You were like, I think he's
Speaker 2: so cute, which he's cute, but I was like, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't see a spark here. This seems weird. It
Speaker 2: seems like he's just out of nowhere. This seems like
Speaker 2: a very forced situation, even though production saying it's not
Speaker 2: like you said, how would they know? How would he
Speaker 2: even know where she was? Of course, like how would
Speaker 2: he know who to get in touch with?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, like, like any of us could
Speaker 1: just dial up the Bachelor producers.
Speaker 2: Right, So he comes in he has this weird, kind
Speaker 2: of timid but I gave him a pass because I'm like,
Speaker 2: he's so tired. Oh my god, he just got off
Speaker 2: like a twenty one hour plane ride. He's so tired,
Speaker 2: and he.
Speaker 1: Was like, guys, can I I is there any way
Speaker 1: I could just like shower, you know. I went into
Speaker 1: the bathroom at the airport and I kind of like
Speaker 1: rinsed off my face. And they're like, look, do you
Speaker 1: want to do this or not? Like we're going into
Speaker 1: a rose ceremony right, You're walking right in no time.
Speaker 1: So poor guy, they don't they don't give him a
Speaker 1: heads up.
Speaker 2: He puts on a full on tux homeboy puts on
Speaker 2: a tuxedo, an old school tuxedo too, and not even
Speaker 2: like a new modern one, Like no, he just has
Speaker 2: a tux on him. Obviously he brought with him not
Speaker 2: a suit. Has he not seen the show? Because he
Speaker 2: people wear tuxes? What the fuck? I mean, let's talk
Speaker 2: about this because I know I'm in a bad mood.
Speaker 1: But like, did he think he was going straight to
Speaker 1: the final rose ceremony?
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, well, I'm not gonna bad prose. I
Speaker 2: don't yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: He's like, I thought, wait, I thought, where isn't this
Speaker 1: prom am?
Speaker 2: I going to prom? And they're like, even at prom,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't wear a tux not like this, Not like
Speaker 2: I mean maybe a funny like ironic tux, like a
Speaker 2: blue ruffled tux or something that you've got at a
Speaker 2: vintage saying, but like nothing about his sky screams fun
Speaker 2: or ironic, has no idea what's happening. So he's so
Speaker 2: tired by this point. Imagine he's never been given a
Speaker 2: chance to eat. He's probably starving, no chance to sleep.
Speaker 2: Now he's in his tugs. He's like a zombie. They
Speaker 2: like prop him up, push him out there, like go
Speaker 2: get a Matthew.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, we're rooting for you for the storyline.
Speaker 2: So she has like this kind of So first Jen
Speaker 2: has to go in and tell the guys like, hey,
Speaker 2: I've never been y'all what she say, y'all, I've never
Speaker 2: been told that that anyone loves me before before this Matthew.
Speaker 2: First off, really okay, all right, So the guys are annoyed.
Speaker 1: Except for the guy, one of the guys I forgot
Speaker 1: who was Devin, who told her I'm falling in love
Speaker 1: with you. And she was like, no one's ever said
Speaker 1: that to me before. Okay, well now they have, so
Speaker 1: I can't keep saying I know exactly.
Speaker 2: And he already apparently he'd already told her before, because
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, I'm still in love with you.
Speaker 2: I just I'm not buying what she's selling well. And
Speaker 2: also so she's very nerve to tell them. So she's like,
Speaker 2: so I'm like in the city, and it's like this
Speaker 2: guy Matt is here. She's all over it. It's like
Speaker 2: talking to a five year old. Yes, And then there
Speaker 2: was a clown, and then the clown came with the classroom,
Speaker 2: and then he popped a balloon, and then I cried,
Speaker 2: and then there were cupcakes, and it's like, okay, you
Speaker 2: lost me at one Bart like, why do you cry?
Speaker 2: But that's what I was like, yeah, Matt, and she yes.
Speaker 2: She's being so vague about it. She's like, right in
Speaker 2: the city. And then Matt is here and he wants
Speaker 2: to join our journey. And he flew with herself like
Speaker 2: he had a lot of miles. I don't like when
Speaker 2: I was with him, he didn't have a lot of miles.
Speaker 2: He wasn't like a huge traveler.
Speaker 1: But I guess in the meantime he's been traveling a lot,
Speaker 1: so he had miles because for himself.
Speaker 2: But she says all this, it makes no sense. They're
Speaker 2: barely processing it, and then she's like br b. She's
Speaker 2: like gets up, like gotta go, and she's got to
Speaker 2: go to go talk to him. Who his tugs? This
Speaker 2: poor man right right, this is gentle gentle man. So
Speaker 2: they're agitated. Obviously I would be too. Actually they're like
Speaker 2: what I was talking too. But h Devin was just
Speaker 2: like you know what. First of all, Sam was going
Speaker 2: into his like hard you know, yeah, bra, listen, you
Speaker 2: best not like come into this room, y'ah or I'm
Speaker 2: gonna like beat your ass like he's doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: He's like where you stay? Where you stay? What are
Speaker 2: you asking me where I live? Yeah? Bro, where do
Speaker 2: you stay? Don't worry about it? Sam, I don't know why? Who? What?
Speaker 2: What is? What is this crop of guys is this
Speaker 2: is this truly the worst group that we've ever had.
Speaker 2: I don't, Yeah, I'm not. I mean I like Grant.
Speaker 2: I love Grant. I like Jonathan with an Oh, yes
Speaker 2: I do. I really like Jonathan. He's he's a healthy choice.
Speaker 2: I liked Dylan. I like that I've reduced him to
Speaker 2: like a weight watcher's meal. He's a healthy choice. You
Speaker 2: like Dylan? I like Dylan. Dylan is is not problematic
Speaker 2: in any way. I'm not gonna make it though, so
Speaker 2: he doesn't even you know, spoiler, and I was sort
Speaker 2: of giving Spencer a pass until the turtleneck. Although I
Speaker 2: do have something exciting to say. I do have a
Speaker 2: surprise for you. Okay, we're gonna we'll wait to the surprise.
Speaker 2: But there's someone someone turned me around them themselves. But no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: We'll get to Austin. Yeah. Austin's like like this is whacked.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and the other guys are like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is like a no go. Devin's like if this guy comes,
Speaker 1: if he walks in here, that that said, I'm leaving.
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, he's very adamant about that. And this is
Speaker 2: whack yo yo yo yo. But none of it matters.
Speaker 2: It's all for total show bys. Because she goes to
Speaker 2: have a conversation with Matt, who looks ridiculous. He does
Speaker 2: seem sweet. There's no spark, as I called, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know, I like him, but like
Speaker 2: I'm like d he's like eleven other guys like I
Speaker 2: don't know. But she's like, I I'm really torn. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like but she's not at all torn. And the tucks
Speaker 2: did not help. Oh my god. So she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: thanks so much for coming, bye bye bye, and he's like,
Speaker 2: can I get a banana from crafty or something like anything?
Speaker 2: Do I literally have to go back tonight? And she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: not my problem, right, and production.
Speaker 1: Is like listen, He's like, is there any way you
Speaker 1: guys could get me a better rate? Like, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that you have to pay for it. I'm not
Speaker 1: asking you guys to pay my way home, but is
Speaker 1: there can you guy you have a travel department, can
Speaker 1: you get me a better deal?
Speaker 2: And they're like no, no, because you made it very
Speaker 2: clear it was on your own dime. So we did
Speaker 2: that we'd be lying, right. So he's like, so I
Speaker 2: just have to go to a hotel or something. Could
Speaker 2: you recommend one? I'll eat for it. I really honestly
Speaker 2: don't feel like I wanted And they're like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: we can't do that. You have to be out of
Speaker 2: the country. We signed a waiver. This this poor So
Speaker 2: then okay, So she has a conversation with Matt and
Speaker 2: then Matt walks in. He has like feels the need
Speaker 2: to meet the guy and they're not having it no, no,
Speaker 2: this is where okay, yeah, yeah. Devin's like she complained
Speaker 2: about her past and now she's letting it back in.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave, and then I just wrote Lenny and
Speaker 1: Squiggy moment Ello. Matt comes in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, hey guys, first of all, flew here
Speaker 2: on my own dime. Just want to make that super clever,
Speaker 2: uh huh.
Speaker 1: And my money okay, by dime, by my own dime.
Speaker 1: I mean I paid for it. It's on my credit card. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get.
Speaker 1: Miles, do not worry about me. And Sam goes, look around, bitch,
Speaker 1: there's some good guys here.
Speaker 2: Okay, boy boy, hey boy, yeah boy, glad to hear
Speaker 2: the past. Sam will stay in the past. Mud dude, Okay,
Speaker 2: this here is squashed. We good bra Who are you? Sam?
Speaker 2: Who is any of them? And then like Matt just
Speaker 2: doesn't even know what's going on because he's so hungry
Speaker 2: and tired, So he's like, okay, all right, see you around.
Speaker 2: So he leaves. That was just said nothing real, nothing,
Speaker 2: a real nothing, So Jen all right, So then we
Speaker 2: have to go straight. She's like, well, you know, based
Speaker 2: on this, like I kind of know who I love,
Speaker 2: I know what I want now, So we're not gonna
Speaker 2: have a party going straight to this rose ceremony, right,
Speaker 2: Uh No, that that's at the end of the show.
Speaker 2: This is they just straight up have a rose. Yeah,
Speaker 2: then they have a rose ceremony.
Speaker 1: Okay, so later she gets to do her no rose
Speaker 1: ceremony for you, No, no cocktail party for you, guys,
Speaker 1: I've made my I've already made my decision.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask you this. When she's when
Speaker 2: she's naming the people. Okay, so she's naming them, so
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna do it in order because I just
Speaker 2: all right, so it's grant of course. Then we have
Speaker 2: boring Jeremy, Jonathan, and then Spencer when she says that
Speaker 2: she's like a spunser spunsera except this rose with the turtleneck.
Speaker 2: Dylan Austin. I was surprised by Austin. I was not
Speaker 2: surprised to see Thomas go were you Oh no, oh,
Speaker 2: I wasn't you were surprised her. You weren't surprised. I
Speaker 2: was not surprised, right, yeah, no, he was just absurd.
Speaker 2: And then John just I don't think he got enough time,
Speaker 2: right right, No he didn't. Yeah, he was adorable. I
Speaker 2: liked him. But okay, so now we're down to nine guys.
Speaker 1: It's important that we know that here, right, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to seven. I always like to get
Speaker 1: myself excited because the big cut is for hometowns. When
Speaker 1: she goes seven to four.
Speaker 2: I mean, you think she'll cut So next week she's
Speaker 2: gonna cut three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I totally do it. That's the normal
Speaker 1: way of things. It's the big cut.
Speaker 2: Is that. Yeah, i'd be you know, maybe because because
Speaker 2: well we'll get to it, someone's self eliminates. Maybe we
Speaker 2: get an extra episode, you know, because somebody. She wasn't
Speaker 2: supposed to get rid of that many people, but she does.
Speaker 2: This episode is like, it's we're getting it down.
Speaker 1: Well, that's because we didn't have a rose ceremony in
Speaker 1: the last episode because we had to be continued. So
Speaker 1: if you think about it, it's kind of split into
Speaker 1: two episodes. So the people that left in this rose
Speaker 1: ceremony would have left last Monday.
Speaker 2: You know, I said this before. I have a friend
Speaker 2: not currently working on the show, but someone who used to.
Speaker 2: I think I said this, but you know, from past experience,
Speaker 2: the person who they're going to choose. They have it
Speaker 2: down to the final two on day like day two,
Speaker 2: there is literally usually no question. They have two guys
Speaker 2: that they're into or two women, and then the rest
Speaker 2: is all filler. That's what I've been told. And sometimes
Speaker 2: even really one they like really hone in on, like
Speaker 2: this is the one I don't really want to do
Speaker 2: the rest of us, you know, I mean not obviously
Speaker 2: not exactly always that, but who is the one that chose?
Speaker 2: Courtney Robertson Robinson Ben, Yeah, like that story there was
Speaker 2: it was. It was always Courtney. They were you know,
Speaker 2: they were even caught on camera, are caught, you know,
Speaker 2: on recordings like making fun of the other girls. Basically
Speaker 2: really one. Yeah, like he wasn't necessarily be but she
Speaker 2: was and he was laughing and don't you remember that
Speaker 2: they had all that audio. They were just hooking up
Speaker 2: all the time. It having sex with him on the beach,
Speaker 2: right and it was like slurpy CAUs sound. But yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it was always her. There was no question. Well I
Speaker 2: have heard but like Nick faiol when I used to
Speaker 2: like enjoy his podcast, he would always say that you
Speaker 2: definitely they know, like the Final Four at least early
Speaker 2: on and then yeah, a lot of it is production
Speaker 2: picks that the people they keep around, but very I
Speaker 2: have definitely heard that they're usually not surprised. Nobody comes
Speaker 2: from behind, you know, right, not usually. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: sure there's been a season but or.
Speaker 1: They could come behind for us, but usually the person
Speaker 1: has been spending time with.
Speaker 2: Them, right. Yeah. Now, I was going to get to
Speaker 2: Jesse basically doing a tourism commercial for New Zealand, which
Speaker 2: he keeps doing striving Crazy. But before that, can we
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Speaker 1: So basically it's the Rose ceremonies done. Jen goes and
Speaker 1: talks to Jesse and it's basically business speak, but bachelor speak.
Speaker 1: Bah bah blah, while's down, my husband's here, get vulnerable,
Speaker 1: get to know guys better, all right, date card. Jonathan
Speaker 1: gets the date card. I just got right to it,
Speaker 1: I said, they go up in a helicopter. She tells
Speaker 1: us that they do have chemistry, but it hasn't taken
Speaker 1: off yet. You know why, Cecily, because he hasn't gotten
Speaker 1: open and vulnerable yet.
Speaker 2: Are his walls up? Do you think? I think they're up? Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's got to get them to get those walls down,
Speaker 2: get them now. I thought this was the cutest date
Speaker 2: I've seen her on this entire season. And who would
Speaker 2: have thunk that are a little bandage guy or guy
Speaker 2: with the bandage or whatever he did his yeah face
Speaker 2: bandage guy. I mean, who would have thought that he'd
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden be a front runner Like
Speaker 2: that just came out, And that actually came out of
Speaker 2: nowhere because I didn't really see them connecting, but when
Speaker 2: they're running through the vineyard. I love relationships like this.
Speaker 2: I love the fun best friend feel, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: sure we all do. But like the really silly picks
Speaker 2: you up, swings you around like I like that. I
Speaker 2: like that for her. I think that's she likes that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Mm hmmm. And it's not so he's
Speaker 2: not so serious, but he can be. Although I don't
Speaker 2: know if I loved his trauma dump, which we'll get to. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was pretty basic. Well, there's a there's a couple
Speaker 2: of things that were fine that she said. Like she's
Speaker 2: there throwing grapes at She's like, look what I can do.
Speaker 2: Watch what I can do with my mouth. I was like,
Speaker 2: that's girl. You know that's going to be a commercial.
Speaker 2: Then of course they have a hot tub right there,
Speaker 2: which is our joke. Hot tub is just ready to go,
Speaker 2: just in the middle of nowhere. They've brought it. They
Speaker 2: made Matthew bring it in. Hey, while you're coming in
Speaker 2: from the States. You've actually had a hard time getting
Speaker 2: a hot tub here, could you?
Speaker 1: You don't have to have it assembled. He's like, listen,
Speaker 1: I brought this hot tub on my own dime. Nobody
Speaker 1: asked me, nobody paid me. I'm not getting reimbursed.
Speaker 2: This was like something I chose to do, whether you
Speaker 2: use it with me or another guy Like, I don't
Speaker 2: control you. It's on you. I love you, I'm in
Speaker 2: love with you, and I'm falling in love with you,
Speaker 2: all those things, and she's like, bye, thank you for
Speaker 2: the hot tub. So they have their night date. It's
Speaker 2: trauma dump time, and okay, tell me what you thought
Speaker 2: of this? I didn't like you said. I know you're
Speaker 2: I know what you're getting to. I know. I okay,
Speaker 2: So you want to you want to start? You want me?
Speaker 1: Basically, he's like, yeah, I had this ex girlfriend and
Speaker 1: she was crazy.
Speaker 2: She started drinking too much, she had substance abuse issues,
Speaker 2: and then she accused me of being abusive, and like,
Speaker 2: you know, isn't that horrible, Like when women like accuse
Speaker 2: you of like abusing them, like that was crazy. Wasn't
Speaker 2: that such a red flag? I was like, uh oh,
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, if it's bad enough that he feels
Speaker 2: the need that he has to say it on camera
Speaker 2: to kind of make sure it's like, oh, yeah, you're
Speaker 2: probably gonna hear you do some some slight, very light digging.
Speaker 2: And it's true. Maybe his ex wasn't great and maybe
Speaker 2: she I don't know, who knows, I don't know her,
Speaker 2: but I didn't like that his tramadum was about her addiction.
Speaker 2: That's her story. Yeah, I think that's shitty. It is really,
Speaker 2: I didn't like it, and we're only hearing.
Speaker 1: One side, so it's it's difficult because provided like, let's
Speaker 1: just say she chooses him and he's he's it at
Speaker 1: the end. Well, then what like, then does does it
Speaker 1: at that point? Does she find out does she hear
Speaker 1: the other side of it? Like does she have to
Speaker 1: wait until like she's home to see the stuff that?
Speaker 1: I mean Listen, Reddit hasn't come out with anything about this,
Speaker 1: so really, but you know what I mean, it's weird
Speaker 1: that they would let him say that on the trauma dump,
Speaker 1: but then we have no way for her to know
Speaker 1: the truth.
Speaker 2: Right, I totally agree. Also, again, it's somebody else's story.
Speaker 2: And when I hear yeah, my ears perked up, like yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so she was like just drinking too much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to me, it sounds like maybe, but he also is
Speaker 2: super controlling and super He didn't say, like he could
Speaker 2: have said, you know, I got caught up in the
Speaker 2: chaos as well, there's an illness there, and you know,
Speaker 2: through alan On, maybe I got a little better because
Speaker 2: I learned I couldn't control this other person. It's not
Speaker 2: for me to do that. You know, There's a lot
Speaker 2: of ways he could have gone with that, but instead
Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, she was like just drinking all
Speaker 2: the time and stuff, and then she told me I
Speaker 2: was like controlling. It's like, well, you probably were right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really difficult. I mean, all the way is, yes,
Speaker 2: we do like him, but we just and we don't know, right,
Speaker 2: Like if we were friends with him, we could all
Speaker 2: we could be like, oh my god, his ex was
Speaker 2: a total nightmare. Yeah, and maybe falsely accused him of things,
Speaker 2: but we how do we know if I were him?
Speaker 2: If that was the case and I were him, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't bring that up at all. If I had a
Speaker 2: crazy X like that that I didn't want to messing
Speaker 2: around with my life, I just wouldn't say anything. So
Speaker 2: he's dumb or he's being manipulative. Yeah, there's no good
Speaker 2: answer here, because if he's that terrible that she made
Speaker 2: it up, like don't say it on the Bachelor, she's
Speaker 2: not going anywhere, yeah you know, yeah, And then then
Speaker 2: they're just throwing out all the work toxic gaslet, emotional abyss, trauma, trauma, gaslet, toxic.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, both of these people could be unreliable narrators,
Speaker 1: Like how do we know we're only listening to their
Speaker 1: side of everything. We're only listening to Jen constantly tell
Speaker 1: us that her ex was toxic, but then she's so
Speaker 1: quick to be like, but not that ex, that ex
Speaker 1: that was that just flew here. He was like totally great,
Speaker 1: Like he was awesome guy I was taught.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Matthew, some were telling the story about her, like
Speaker 2: she's pretty toxic. I shouldn't have gone there. She was.
Speaker 2: She did not seem to care about me at all.
Speaker 2: I really thought we had a connection. Well, and there
Speaker 2: is a weird thing too, if you think about it,
Speaker 2: with like her family is always like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you pick these guys and like you give and give
Speaker 2: and give of yourself, and like they don't they don't
Speaker 2: really give you anything.
Speaker 1: But then what about this guy? She's like, But then
Speaker 1: at the same time, she's like, well, I've never really
Speaker 1: been in love. And according to her, this guy matt
Speaker 1: was super.
Speaker 2: Great and they did date. It's not like she wasn't
Speaker 2: attracted to him. You know, you can't account chemistry if
Speaker 2: you're not attracted to someone, nothing you can do. But like, yeah, they.
Speaker 1: Right, But her complaint was that he was like a
Speaker 1: not into her enough. I guess because she's like, well,
Speaker 1: you weren't saying but I just think I think she's
Speaker 1: an unreliable narrator, is what I'm saying like here, you
Speaker 1: had this great guy, but you're like, yeah, my ex
Speaker 1: was really toxic, but I wasn't ready to receive love
Speaker 1: back then. I only basically her family is saying, you
Speaker 1: only go after these guys that don't care about you, right.
Speaker 2: Right, And you know these people, these people, but a
Speaker 2: lot of like you know on the show or otherwise,
Speaker 2: a lot of people are getting therapy via TikTok and
Speaker 2: it's unhealthy. You're throwing out words like gas lit. I
Speaker 2: mean that's a really heavy allegation, right, like it's a
Speaker 2: real thing, but like, let's not. It's like narcissist. Okay,
Speaker 2: we're all on a spectrum, we all we are. It's
Speaker 2: not possible otherwise in life for the Dalai lama, you know,
Speaker 2: like even then he's probably a narcissist a little bit.
Speaker 1: Probably he thinks pretty highly. You have to think kind
Speaker 1: of highly of yourself to do like I don't know,
Speaker 1: workshops for so many people.
Speaker 2: Like first work on your foot. That makes you the
Speaker 2: Dalai lama. It's how they decide, right.
Speaker 1: So you know, if you're the Dolli Lama and people
Speaker 1: treat you a certain way, is it possible that you
Speaker 1: just never you just stay completely humble.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the do. Let's say the Dalai
Speaker 2: Lama was on the Bachelor, do you think he'd be like,
Speaker 2: walls up, walls down. My walls are back up. I'm
Speaker 2: just going to meditate. Walls down.
Speaker 1: Would he be like, listen, when you're the Dalai Lama
Speaker 1: and you're not going to understand this because you're not
Speaker 1: the Dalai Lama, because there's only one Dollari Lama and
Speaker 1: that's me. But when you're the Dollai Lama, like people have,
Speaker 1: they just expect you to be perfect and then it's
Speaker 1: toxic on me.
Speaker 2: Says that I feel gas lit, honestly by everyone, the
Speaker 2: whole world. So again, these things are real things. There
Speaker 2: are people, there are relationships that are toxic. But I hate,
Speaker 2: as you know, is just the black and white thinking.
Speaker 2: You're just saying words, you're spewing words that just are
Speaker 2: just make no sense. And I say that as someone
Speaker 2: who's never been accused of being toxic by a guy,
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 1: The thing is that if you are so victimy that
Speaker 1: the every that you're just like I was in all
Speaker 1: these toxic relationships only because I didn't know how to
Speaker 1: love myself because I didn't value myself. But what about
Speaker 1: the relationships that weren't toxic? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like is the yeah, is Matt going like she's kind
Speaker 1: of toxic?
Speaker 2: Right right, That's what I'm saying. It's all relative. No,
Speaker 2: I'm just agreeing with you and I appreciate that. And
Speaker 2: so you're being.
Speaker 1: Kind of toxic right now. I'm trying to like you
Speaker 1: just want to argue about who's more toxic.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I always get myself in these toxic relationships. Point,
Speaker 2: you're gaslighting. You're a red flag, well walking red flag. Okay,
Speaker 2: So the guys are sitting red flag. Okay, yeah, I've
Speaker 2: been sitting for a long time. Guys are talking smack
Speaker 2: back to the thing. We'll come back. They get their
Speaker 2: dumb date cards, so it's everyone except Grant. So we
Speaker 2: know that Grant's going to get the one on one
Speaker 2: yet this point. Yes, let's see. So that's kind of exciting. Also, Oh,
Speaker 2: here's something else I didn't really like both of these two,
Speaker 2: Jonathan and Jen. The thing they like about each other
Speaker 2: is that they make each other feel like kind of
Speaker 2: heard and believed, like because John's like, wow, you have,
Speaker 2: like the ability to really understand. And then she's she's
Speaker 2: Then he says to camera, like she makes me feel heard.
Speaker 2: I don't hate that, I have to say, I actually
Speaker 2: don't hate that. I think that's a good reason to
Speaker 2: like someone. You feel seen. He's saying heard, but he
Speaker 2: feels seen you want. That's the thing I've picked up
Speaker 2: on on their like little platefulness. They they fit each
Speaker 2: other well. I think they can be their best selves
Speaker 2: around each other. There's no bullshit.
Speaker 1: Well I guess I don't think that it's really your
Speaker 1: best self if you're spending your entire dinner bashing your
Speaker 1: ex and how shitty they treated you, and you're both like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I too was treated shittily by an ex.
Speaker 2: I too had a toxic X that you know, trauma bonding,
Speaker 2: as they say.
Speaker 1: Right, but then they're both like, that's why I have
Speaker 1: a hard time emoting, That's why I have a hard
Speaker 1: time being myself because I was because I had such
Speaker 1: a terrible X.
Speaker 2: Hmm. Yeah, No, they're not taking a lot of they're
Speaker 2: not they're not looking at themselves, not a lot of
Speaker 2: self examination. Yet, maybe we'll get there. Okay, So at
Speaker 2: this point, so Grant gets the let's let's go to
Speaker 2: Grant Austin. Austin's having some feelings at this point. He's like,
Speaker 2: I haven't even like spent and has even kissed her.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, he has an interesting thing here.
Speaker 2: There's a moment where he you think he's going to say, well,
Speaker 2: I don't I I've got to I've got a force
Speaker 2: her to like me. I've got to get in front
Speaker 2: of her real fast. Instead, he says, I haven't had
Speaker 2: time to figure out if I'm into her, And I
Speaker 2: thought that was really insightful, because he does matter too.
Speaker 2: These guys feelings and what they want matter too. It's
Speaker 2: always bugged me on these shows that if someone says,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sorry, I just don't think I can
Speaker 2: get there, and they get so mad, they get so crazy.
Speaker 2: But you're eliminating someone every week. Well, yeah, and I
Speaker 2: think that we're about to see that, which I thought
Speaker 2: was I had some thoughts about that. Tell us what
Speaker 2: you thought, Well, has it happened yet? It hasn't happened yet. Well,
Speaker 2: we're getting to it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's first we have you know, first, we
Speaker 1: talk about Ferocious Love with John.
Speaker 2: And Jen and they rose, rose Rose. Now it's time
Speaker 2: for the group date. So of course it's some couple
Speaker 2: that's been married for like one hundred and fifty years,
Speaker 2: and it's going to teach everyone about long term commitment
Speaker 2: by sheep farming sheep, sheep, sheep spend time with the
Speaker 2: sheep and the beach on the beach, Louie the sheep. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for some reason, And I did not like this because
Speaker 2: I don't like putting animal I don't want to make
Speaker 2: animals work. It probably freaks them out to have all
Speaker 2: those cameras there. I let the let the sheep live
Speaker 2: their lives and a bunch of guys like running chasing
Speaker 2: them around. Yeah, I didn't like that at all. It
Speaker 2: probably really stressed them out. Yeah. I would imagine they're
Speaker 2: like jumping over each other trying to get away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Dylan, our sweetheart, Dylan is not happy because he
Speaker 1: just bought some new sneakers and he's like, are you serious?
Speaker 1: Like I'm about to get eliminated from this whole show.
Speaker 1: And I bought like new sneakers because I'm kind of
Speaker 1: into sneakers, and now they want me to like storm
Speaker 1: around through mud.
Speaker 2: And he's not the guys, and that tells us he's
Speaker 2: not the guy for her since she seems to love
Speaker 2: all that, like he can do better, not that she's
Speaker 2: not great, but he needs his own soulmate. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: why does he have to ruin his sneakers first?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, you know, he's like, listen, I
Speaker 1: bought these sneakers on my own dime, like you know,
Speaker 1: is a.
Speaker 2: Total sport about it. Though he's being so everyone's being there,
Speaker 2: being cute. I just didn't think it was necessary. Yeah, so, uh,
Speaker 2: Devin takes her like he's like, hey, like, let me
Speaker 2: get like a little bit of alone time with you,
Speaker 2: you know, and the guys are so triggered immediately, and
Speaker 2: Sam is like, yeah, Bra, that's like a sign of
Speaker 2: great disrespect yo, Like and I don't think Jen's looking
Speaker 2: for that. And a guy oh medial that being sick. Yes,
Speaker 2: he says that. He starts speaking like full on nineties
Speaker 2: that you be illing, like okay, we're not going to
Speaker 2: bring back you be ill colborate and listen, he just
Speaker 2: gets someone comes out and gives him like a vanilla
Speaker 2: ice like your hair, like what do you call it?
Speaker 2: A fade? Yes, I mean he's not far from it
Speaker 2: at this point. No, he's not so. But I was
Speaker 2: just like, so, you're saying, what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Right now is that you don't think the Jen wants
Speaker 1: a guy who takes her aside and like pays attention
Speaker 1: to her and is trying to get to know her.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that or Sam. No, Sam's saying that. That's okay.
Speaker 2: Sam is like, yeah, she wouldn't like that.
Speaker 1: M she doesn't want a guy who pays attention to
Speaker 1: her and isn't just here to have a dick measuring
Speaker 1: contest with the other guys. Yeah, you're right, You're right, Sam,
Speaker 1: You you really, you really get it.
Speaker 2: Devin just does Devin. Then they come back and they're
Speaker 2: like I did laugh, and they're like they're not very intelligent.
Speaker 2: All they had to do was open the gate. Not
Speaker 2: very intelligent. But the Beast the Beast Farmer Award goes
Speaker 2: to Devin because all he did was like pull her
Speaker 2: aside and he didn't do anything farmer farmer.
Speaker 3: Related, right, right, right, right, So that kind of made
Speaker 3: me laugh. I just like, I just not very intelligent.
Speaker 3: So I Misflight of the Concord so much.
Speaker 2: Did you watch that? I did? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 2: need we needed them. That's what you do for the episode.
Speaker 2: If I'm producing this episode, you bring them in something
Speaker 2: cool and fun like that. Yeah. Yeah, they're a New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Let's make it a New Zealand thing. That's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and plug them. That's great.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now it's TI for this must be the
Speaker 1: night portion and j Jeremy, our finance bro, gets them
Speaker 1: alone time with her and he's like, yeah, bruh, like
Speaker 1: I used to be fat and whatnot.
Speaker 2: And she's like, what are you sure And he's like yeah,
Speaker 2: like not open but just like fat, fat brow, which
Speaker 2: does I guess I can track. I kind of see that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's kind of doesn't have the most confidence. Mm hmm. Okay.
Speaker 2: But here's what I loved. Here's where this is a
Speaker 2: big surprise. Jeremy has been boring me. I don't like him.
Speaker 2: I would never choose him. He's just not the guy
Speaker 2: for us. But I did love when she's like great
Speaker 2: in a fat he was an a pie, which I love.
Speaker 2: I loved the pies. Oh really, they're the dorky guys.
Speaker 2: It's a Jewish fraternity. You're the kind of dorky Jews.
Speaker 2: I was. I came from a Sammy house. If there
Speaker 2: are Sammy's out there listening, I see you. My dad
Speaker 2: was a Sammy. All my boyfriends were Sammy's. Really, babe,
Speaker 2: the A Pie is like they're little most schools, I
Speaker 2: guess it's different, but I was an eighty five, so
Speaker 2: I was in the Jewish sorority. So they were our
Speaker 2: like brothers. Oh. I know, it's so stupid, but it had.
Speaker 2: It's the dumbest thing where you're just like, oh, I
Speaker 2: feel a little connected to you. So he's not like
Speaker 2: super frat boyish, then he doesn't seem to be. I
Speaker 2: mean he is. He was in a frat, but he
Speaker 2: wasn't in like yeah, like stigmatallity. He wasn't in Beta
Speaker 2: Theta Pie, like one of the ones you think of
Speaker 2: that maybe sam would be in. And I'm not putting
Speaker 2: those down, but Apie is like a nerdy Jewish fraternity
Speaker 2: and I like it. Okay, I like that too. Then
Speaker 2: I liked it and I was like, Okay, now he's
Speaker 2: really cute because you imagine that guy, he probably did
Speaker 2: pretty well. Yeah, So Jeremy, if you're listening, if you
Speaker 2: want to go to like a formal or something. He
Speaker 2: could go with me, We could go to a formal
Speaker 2: I don't see why not. Oh, crush party. I'm going
Speaker 2: to send you a little crush party invite. Well, he
Speaker 2: could be he could be married to or engaged to
Speaker 2: Jen right now, though you don't know. I feel like
Speaker 2: I do know. I don't know. It hasn't been spoiled.
Speaker 2: But I just do not see him as a I
Speaker 2: don't even see hometown for him. I'd like to see them,
Speaker 2: I mean, that'd be great. But then he then he
Speaker 2: bores me again because he's like, yeah, you know, like
Speaker 2: I'm low key, like afraid of like loneliness. That made
Speaker 2: me cringe real hard, every part of that sentence. He's
Speaker 2: low key has a fear of loneliness. And then they
Speaker 2: have a whole conversation about who's a bigger giver. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just give. I give too much. That's just like
Speaker 2: that if I were like one flaw, it's just I
Speaker 2: just give. This happened before this.
Speaker 1: Happened on another a different season where it was just
Speaker 1: a constant like, oh my god, I'm just like.
Speaker 2: So good to people. It's just like me with Charity,
Speaker 2: It's like who was it was it? Charity? It might
Speaker 2: have been charity. I don't give charity. Oh God. And
Speaker 2: then okay, by the way, Jeremy's petting her this whole time,
Speaker 2: which it was kind of cute that she's like, why
Speaker 2: are you doing that? Stop getting me? It was weird.
Speaker 2: It was like he didn't even that was cute. They
Speaker 2: had a moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did have a moment. But now it's time
Speaker 1: for Austin. So this has been brewing. As we said,
Speaker 1: Austin's just been slowly going like.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I don't know may He's not
Speaker 2: like I didn't get one. I haven't had a one
Speaker 2: on one.
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing myself getting a one on one, so
Speaker 1: like I need to go talk to her.
Speaker 2: He was not wrong to do that. He wasn't feeling her.
Speaker 2: He just wasn't. Also, one of my biggest pet peeves
Speaker 2: on reality shows is when people use the term chopping block.
Speaker 2: I hate it. I don't know why. I've hated it
Speaker 2: since like MTV challenge like Bananas was like, I'm on
Speaker 2: the chopping block. God to give myself off the chopping
Speaker 2: It's just a gross word, two words, and the guys
Speaker 2: keep saying it. One of them said it so now
Speaker 2: they're all saying it. So while they're all are they
Speaker 2: at the chopping block? Sorry if I just don't want
Speaker 2: to use that phrase, but are they? Are they on
Speaker 2: the edge.
Speaker 1: If they haven't had a one on one? Do we
Speaker 1: think this is what they're kind of referring to. Probably,
Speaker 1: and Austin is one of those. But he's like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute. I thought about it, and I don't really
Speaker 1: even like her. I like her as a human, I'm
Speaker 1: just not like feeling it, so let me let her go. Also,
Speaker 1: nobody's had like a second one on one yet, so
Speaker 1: it's she can only have. There's only so much space
Speaker 1: for one on one, so you know, you got to like,
Speaker 1: if you like the person, you gotta if if somebody
Speaker 1: gets a second one on one and you haven't had one,
Speaker 1: then I can totally understand being like, Okay, well this
Speaker 1: is done.
Speaker 2: Not. I just wasn't into her though here because I
Speaker 2: thought about that because the conversation was so short and
Speaker 2: it could have been like, hey, I just want to
Speaker 2: kiss you. I don't haven't had any time alone, like
Speaker 2: you could have tried to woo her or something, m
Speaker 2: and like have a nice moment and see if there's
Speaker 2: a spark, but he wasn't even into that. He wasn't.
Speaker 2: I don't think he cared about the one on one.
Speaker 2: I think he was just like, I just don't think
Speaker 2: I'm into you. And she was okay about it. She
Speaker 2: didn't love it. She'd love the conversation, but she's like
Speaker 2: it starts the whole like am I not enough? It's like, well,
Speaker 2: you're already enough for eight other guys? Is that not
Speaker 2: enough for you? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: So one rejection, I knew this is where I started
Speaker 1: to have the thing of like this is giving me
Speaker 1: those Rachel Rekia vibes where it's like I have to
Speaker 1: be the princess. It has to be all about me
Speaker 1: all of these guys like I deserve, I want my
Speaker 1: princess moment, Like they all need to be in love with.
Speaker 2: Me or I'm not worthy, right, And it's exactly I
Speaker 2: was like, you reject guys every day, that's the nature
Speaker 2: of the show. But they get a say, they get
Speaker 2: to say if they want to be there right then
Speaker 2: She's like.
Speaker 1: She turned it into a thing where which Rachel did,
Speaker 1: which is when I kind of turned on Rachel. Where
Speaker 1: it's time for them all to have to spend all
Speaker 1: their time comforting her now yes, and telling her she's
Speaker 1: enough and telling her like and I think that the
Speaker 1: guys probably got irritated about it at some point, like okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: one guy left, but.
Speaker 2: The rest of us are all here, like vying for
Speaker 2: your affections, right, she needs validation, She's saying. The producer
Speaker 2: kind of you heard this women women's voice, and she's like,
Speaker 2: do you think the other guys know? So they're trying
Speaker 2: to tell get Jen to be like, hey, guys, I
Speaker 2: need to tell you that I'm really insecure. Okay, yes,
Speaker 2: I mean it's not much of a because one guy
Speaker 2: left out of this many you just sent like twenty
Speaker 2: guys home, you know from the beginning, thirty guys home.
Speaker 2: Now you've got all these guys that are super into you.
Speaker 2: Then they have to have the stupid dumb walls up conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh and then tell her how britt you're so brave Jen,
Speaker 2: You're so brave for even being here and doing this, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Putting yourself on the line like that, Like you know,
Speaker 1: we're the ones who could go home at any moment,
Speaker 1: but like look at you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at it. And then Sam m speak some wisdom.
Speaker 2: I was shocked, were you shocked by? He kind of
Speaker 2: flipped the script and he said, you know you're saying this,
Speaker 2: but would you love me if if I what I
Speaker 2: wrote because he was saying, like if I let first down? First?
Speaker 2: I thought it was really gross what she says to
Speaker 2: start it off, because she's like, do you feel differently
Speaker 2: about me? Right? Like knowing someone left? Like what a
Speaker 2: weird fricking thing to say. Well, then he flips it
Speaker 2: and I wrote that he said, could you love me
Speaker 2: if I took off my KKK robe? I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: so sorry, my walls down, let my go down? Sorry,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have said the rogue part. Would you love
Speaker 2: me if you saw the real me? You know? And
Speaker 2: he just takes off a mask? I mean yeah, but
Speaker 2: he wasn't wrong. I mean I don't like Sam m
Speaker 2: but he wasn't wrong, correct, He said with you to
Speaker 2: say yeah? Because she was so caught up in like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, what does this say about me? What
Speaker 2: does this say about me that somebody decided not to
Speaker 2: compete for me? If you were guessing right now who
Speaker 2: the front runners are? Because I wrote this down here
Speaker 2: after that conversation who are your who's going to hometowns?
Speaker 2: I've got it, I'll tell you mine. Okay, Jonathan, I
Speaker 2: do think he was going home? Jonathan, Okay, damn unless
Speaker 2: something happens, uh huh, lest you know, you might know
Speaker 2: otherwise I don't know. I think Devin because she doesn't know.
Speaker 2: And Marcus. Oh, but maybe Grant. I'm not feeling a
Speaker 2: huge spark with Grant. Weirdly, I like him, but I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not feeling it. I like him a lot. I
Speaker 2: mean I would choose him, I know, I'm not sure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Grants the wild card there. Maybe not Marcus because he's
Speaker 2: I don't know, she has a whole thing with him. Okay,
Speaker 2: So this is where now she's in a good mood
Speaker 2: because they all tell her how great she is, and
Speaker 2: she's like, hey, we don't need a rose ceremony. No
Speaker 2: one else gets to talk to me. Sorry. Oops. Oh.
Speaker 1: Also, also Devin says, which I just thought was kind
Speaker 1: of funny. Devon's like, yeah, you know, like I don't
Speaker 1: know what you've been through in your life to make
Speaker 1: you feel like not worthy of being chosen. But like
Speaker 1: even if I don't choose you, like some guy's gonna choose.
Speaker 2: You say, this is not the Rose Herman part. No Rose,
Speaker 2: as far as there was supposed to be a group
Speaker 2: day rose. That's what I meant, no, because nobody really
Speaker 2: deserves a rose because she's not feeling like chosen right now,
Speaker 2: somebody when like, I'm not feeling chosen. Okay, So now
Speaker 2: we have our date with grand They go horseback riding,
Speaker 2: which was beautiful. They are beautifully shot. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is a if you're looking at it from like a cinematic,
Speaker 2: you know, point of view, it's gorgeous. This year, she
Speaker 2: looks really cute. They look cute together. They are very cozy, and.
Speaker 1: He's absolutely stunning. I think he's so cute. He's so
Speaker 1: easy on the eyes. The beautiful brown ice, beautiful brown ice.
Speaker 1: I've never seen brown eyes so beautiful. I don't care
Speaker 1: that he's a spam donut. Okay, we are talking about
Speaker 1: ninety day Piance some other one other show.
Speaker 2: What was it, Love and Paradise? Yes, sorry, he's love
Speaker 2: beautiful brown eyes on the whole.
Speaker 1: She's like, this is like a movie. This is like
Speaker 1: a movie. It is very cute. They they drink champagne
Speaker 1: under an umbrella because it starts to rain.
Speaker 2: And he's all cozy. He has he's holding the umbrella
Speaker 2: and he has her in his arms. Yeah they're adorable. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he has.
Speaker 1: A real by the way, Okay, yeah was this uh
Speaker 1: oh nighttime portion? Get right to the night portion if you.
Speaker 2: Don't they So we do all this, We go to
Speaker 2: the nighttime and then he does have something he wants
Speaker 2: to talk about and Grant. It's so interesting that they
Speaker 2: have similar He and Jonathan had similar traumas to discuss,
Speaker 2: but Grant does it in such a mature way. He
Speaker 2: tells how he feels, but he also is like really
Speaker 2: working on his relationship with his dad. He's talking about
Speaker 2: his dad. Mm hmmm. I thought that was great. He's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I just sort of didn't know what was
Speaker 2: going on. I didn't really know my dad was an alcoholic,
Speaker 2: but now he's he's really One day I got the
Speaker 2: call that he's going to rehab and he's two months sober,
Speaker 2: which you know isn't that much, but Grant felt hopeful
Speaker 2: and like cares about him and he wasn't just like
Speaker 2: saying my life is I mean, because Grant has been
Speaker 2: a superstar in his life. Yeah, So there's nothing. He's
Speaker 2: not pointing at anything going. This held me back. No,
Speaker 2: He's like, no, this happened and we're working on it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love that, and I loved I will say
Speaker 2: I really liked her response to it, because he says,
Speaker 2: he's like, you know, my dad got fired from his
Speaker 2: job and he was blaming everyone, you know, the way
Speaker 2: addicts do, don't take responsibility.
Speaker 1: And I finally spoke up and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't care. And that led to him checking into rehab
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then Jen's response is like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: working in an er, I've seen a lot of addiction
Speaker 1: and it's a disease.
Speaker 2: You know. I really believe that, you know. And I
Speaker 2: thought that was cool of her, but then she basically
Speaker 2: stole turned the conversation to talk about her growing up
Speaker 2: without a dad, and I, on the one hand, I
Speaker 2: do understand what she was like. I get that she
Speaker 2: was trying to relate to him, but I don't know,
Speaker 2: was there any part of you that was like, we know,
Speaker 2: we heard about your dad like a lot of times already.
Speaker 2: And also I'm confused about the dad. I guess it
Speaker 2: was different than what I thought. Originally I thought Originally
Speaker 2: he just like slept on some weird couch and was cold.
Speaker 2: But then she's like, no, he moved out and had
Speaker 2: nothing to do with her. I'm confused about which is
Speaker 2: the right. I don't know. She didn't have a good
Speaker 2: relationship with him, and I guess it's important that she
Speaker 2: talked about it didn't bother me in this case, because
Speaker 2: I think she was just saying I totally hear you,
Speaker 2: I can relate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which obviously worked on him because he's like, whoa,
Speaker 1: I'm now falling in love with her?
Speaker 2: He is, and I think he is. Okay, yeah, he'll
Speaker 2: probably go to hometowns. So obviously he gets a rose.
Speaker 2: They're connecting. Meanwhile, back at the house, so great, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Grant says he's falling in love. Oh my god, I
Speaker 2: can't believe that this experiment works. Saw that Dylan's concerned.
Speaker 2: Everybody's a little bit nervous. Devin's nervous, feels so this
Speaker 2: is finally where she's ready to go. No cocktail party, okay,
Speaker 2: this is it.
Speaker 1: Which with no real explanation because there are a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that haven't had one on ones that are like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: it's the cocktail parties the time that I'm really gonna
Speaker 1: like have some time with her because I haven't had
Speaker 1: a one on one, like what's his name who We
Speaker 1: were just finished talking about Jeremy. Jeremy's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I really can only shine during these times, like during
Speaker 1: the cocktail parties, right, So then she's like, yeah, no
Speaker 1: need for a cocktail party.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That was although they did get some time. They
Speaker 2: made out and everything like which kind of kind of cutely,
Speaker 2: kind of hot. Maybe because I found out he was API.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'd make up with Jeremy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, making good use of his time. He's not just
Speaker 1: sitting around bitching about not having a one on one.
Speaker 2: The guys are having reactions Devin. Have you noticed every
Speaker 2: time he's like, well, I need a drink. I'm starting
Speaker 2: to think Devin might have a little bit of an issue.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't see them drink that much outside
Speaker 2: of drinking wine or whatever on a at a dinner
Speaker 2: or whatever. He's constantly like getting shots.
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about the fact too, which we
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting on the date with Grant
Speaker 1: where they're talking about the fact that like the dad
Speaker 1: was an alcoholic and Meanwhile, they drink constantly through their dates.
Speaker 2: They drink in the afternoon, they're having champagne. Then they
Speaker 2: go out and they drink.
Speaker 1: Like if she's drinking twice a day every day, that's
Speaker 1: a lot of alcoholics.
Speaker 2: Little she's little, So I don't know where that's going
Speaker 2: or does she is.
Speaker 1: She just have to be really in control of her
Speaker 1: drinking and go like I'm going to have like a
Speaker 1: few SIPs of champagne and that's it. And then she'd
Speaker 1: have to be a glass of wine with dinner and
Speaker 1: that's it.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I couldn't do it like I have.
Speaker 2: I'm drunk on one drink. I was watching a show.
Speaker 2: I don't remember what the show was, but like, uh no,
Speaker 2: Sex and the City of course. Sorry, like I pretend
Speaker 2: for a second, I don't know what the show it was,
Speaker 2: not sure, but there's an episode where Miranda goes on
Speaker 2: a date and then the line is Julian Miranda, well,
Speaker 2: I love you, Marie Into and she has says she
Speaker 2: has six martinis. Now one martini. I am done. I
Speaker 2: mean I'm wasted drunk, So six martini's okay. That was
Speaker 2: the writers. That was stupid, but even like two, I'd
Speaker 2: be falling down. And I'm small. I'm a little like her,
Speaker 2: like you know, like I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's hard to drink that much when you don't have
Speaker 2: that much body weight. Agree, And I'm just saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right. All that to say, Marianda, Marianda, I can't
Speaker 2: hear what you will love meaning more, Miranda, you love
Speaker 2: this lady who I missed that show so much. That
Speaker 2: was our favorite, I have to say, aside from Bachelor obviously,
Speaker 2: and just like that was our favorite show to recap.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's coming back, yeah, but it's just
Speaker 2: not soon enough. So meanwhile, Dylan's upset to this poor guy,
Speaker 2: we love him so much. He's kind of crying. He's like,
Speaker 2: it's sweet. I thought he was being Oh, I thought
Speaker 2: you were saying Devon. I was like, Dylan, I don't
Speaker 2: know how much I love him anymore. But okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: poor Dylan. Yeah, So Dylan doesn't get a rose, So
Speaker 2: Austin eliminated himself and so and Dylan didn't get a rose.
Speaker 2: And then on the last episode, like three people. So
Speaker 2: we've lost like five five men, right right, so we're
Speaker 2: down to seven so we have Sam m Devon, Marcus, Jeremy, Spencer, Grant,
Speaker 2: and Jonathan Dylan gets at home. I just wrote that's
Speaker 2: really dumb. I mean, I don't know what they're you know,
Speaker 2: you can't account for chemistry. Maybe he's not maybe they
Speaker 2: don't kiss well together or something that we can't see, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just so adore. I just think that's
Speaker 2: a mistake. But oh god, you're gonna keep Spencer with
Speaker 2: a turtleneck that doesn't bother her like she's not.
Speaker 1: I don't Okay, I'm gonna call it. I don't think
Speaker 1: Spencer's I'm gonna go backwards. I'm going to eliminate who
Speaker 1: I think won't get a hometown. Okay, Spencer for sure
Speaker 1: will not get.
Speaker 2: A Spencer's knock getting a home. He can't, which too
Speaker 2: bad because it was Dallas. I always like to see
Speaker 2: one of my homes. I just don't see him.
Speaker 1: I think he's fallen behind and I don't see him
Speaker 1: catching up.
Speaker 2: There's nothing to him. He's just nothing. Sorry, Spenser, I'm
Speaker 2: sure he's something, just he hasn't shown it. I feel
Speaker 2: like Grant is going to get a hometown. Grant's going
Speaker 2: to get a hometown. I think it's going to be Grant, Sam, Devon,
Speaker 2: and Marcus. She's going to get rid of Jeremy and Spencer,
Speaker 2: who are like interchangeable by the way, exactly the same.
Speaker 2: She has to get rid of one more. M h
Speaker 2: I don't. Oh oh oh, Jonathan, shit, Jonathan, you're right,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to say this. I don't think Sam's
Speaker 1: because they've been teasing, like a fight that she gets
Speaker 1: into with Sam at the very beginning of the season.
Speaker 1: Remember they showed her kind of saying there was something
Speaker 1: where she's like, you know, you're not here for the
Speaker 1: right reasons. She gets in some argument with him. So
Speaker 1: I feel like something's going to happen and she's going
Speaker 1: to amaze authentic, and I think he's not going to
Speaker 1: get a hometown.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Jonathan, Devin, Marcus and Grant is who we think?
Speaker 2: M hm hm that's what I'm thinking. Jeremy. What if
Speaker 2: it's Jeremy and he does take her home and it's
Speaker 2: just like the like a Jewish like the craziest is
Speaker 2: like you named me, like just constantly yelling at her
Speaker 2: and saying slightly inappropriate things. Uh huh, yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know what that would be, just like you're what they
Speaker 2: call a spinner. What, Oh, I can't call her a spinner.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, please, let's not this was a mistake.
Speaker 2: I would have liked to see that. But I don't
Speaker 2: see him making the Cutag's just he's just not exciting
Speaker 2: enough to her, right. But we could very much be wrong.
Speaker 2: We don't know. We know a lot of you do know.
Speaker 2: I don't even know anymore who I call, like who
Speaker 2: I predicted at the beginning of this anymore. Mine was
Speaker 2: Grant always. We did like Grant from the very beginning.
Speaker 2: And but we also, I think didn't we sort of
Speaker 2: call sam m as going really far? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, I called Aaron early on. So that's that's sort
Speaker 1: of where I'm at.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a big share. Now, what if
Speaker 2: it's Spencer in the end. What if all this time
Speaker 2: they're just keeping us from how much she loved him?
Speaker 1: I just you're right, because even though I would have
Speaker 1: called on Devin to be gone so much earlier, I
Speaker 1: just don't know, Like he's got to go to hometown's
Speaker 1: because how's he unless she gets in a big fight
Speaker 1: with him, which I don't see happening.
Speaker 2: I am excited to see Jonathan really crept up on me.
Speaker 2: I am excited to see where that goes. Same. I
Speaker 2: hope that he Yeah, I hope he gets hometown. I
Speaker 2: didn't like his there was definitely a red flag. But
Speaker 2: the date itself, in their chemistry is I think the
Speaker 2: best out of all of them.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll maybe he'll get a hometown and the X
Speaker 1: will come like confront them and be like, he's the one,
Speaker 1: He's the toxic one. Maybe the one of their dates
Speaker 1: on their hometown will be like visiting a therapist with
Speaker 1: jen the X, Jonathan's X and Jonathan Let's hope and
Speaker 1: his parents. They all have to have like a group
Speaker 1: therapy together.
Speaker 2: And for some reason, Thomas and Devin they have to
Speaker 2: be there. It's just in the writer. For some they don't.
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