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Speaker 5: Yes, and welcome to the show. And I'm back this
Speaker 5: week again with mister Luke Saint Clair. Hello, Luke, glad
Speaker 5: to be here. And in a few seconds here we're
Speaker 5: going to be talking to Wallace Thornhill about the Electric Universe.
Speaker 5: Before we get to that, I want to mention that
Speaker 5: I will be putting up as a midweek podcast my
Speaker 5: conversation with Larry Scranton and John Anthony West that I
Speaker 5: conducted last Tuesday. I was hoping to get the video up,
Speaker 5: but when I rendered the video it it is MISSYNCD
Speaker 5: for some reason about an hour and it's a two hour,
Speaker 5: fascinating interview. But I'm going to get the audio up
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Speaker 5: will be up on YouTube hopefully by next week. So
Speaker 5: that was and Laird dropped some big bombshells near the
Speaker 5: end of that interview, and the interaction between the two
Speaker 5: of them is just fascinating. Plus you get to see
Speaker 5: a little John Anthony West's house. All right, So, as
Speaker 5: I said, we're going to be talking here with Wallace Thornhill.
Speaker 3: Hello, Wallace, how are you doing? Awesome?
Speaker 5: I'm fine, thank you? And you are still in Australia right, yes,
Speaker 5: for the moment. And next yeah, it's next month. Now
Speaker 5: you have a conference in Arizona.
Speaker 6: That's correact twenty fifth to twenty knots of June and
Speaker 6: it's a trainees.
Speaker 5: Okay, and that is the Electric Universe. This is the
Speaker 5: big conference you do every year, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Thunderbolts Conference which is based around the Electric Universe.
Speaker 3: Okay, And how many years have you been doing it?
Speaker 7: Let me think, I think this is the fourth year.
Speaker 3: How's that?
Speaker 5: It seems like you're doing them longer than that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: Prior to that we had a lot of meetings which
Speaker 6: was sort of ad hoc, but these having won every
Speaker 6: year gives people an expectation of being able to meet
Speaker 6: up and chat at least once a year.
Speaker 3: And well, who do you have at this one? Wow?
Speaker 6: We've got quite a lineup apart from Don Scott, who's
Speaker 6: the professor of electrical Engineering and has been working on
Speaker 6: the Electric Sun, Electric Sky.
Speaker 7: His book is called The Electric Sky.
Speaker 6: My colleague that I've worked with since nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 6: is David Talbot, and we have Professor Jerry Pollack. We'll
Speaker 6: be talking about beyond water, what makes the world go around,
Speaker 6: talking about the fourth state of order and its critical
Speaker 6: nature for life itself. Montgomery Childs who's an engineer who
Speaker 6: ran a big engineering company and is now the head
Speaker 6: of our Sapphire project, which is looking at proving the
Speaker 6: electrical model of stars. We've got Ben Davidson from He
Speaker 6: runs the show Suspicious Observers on Suspicious Observers dot Org
Speaker 6: and looks at the electrical nature of earthquakes. Does the
Speaker 6: Sun trigger large earthquakes? Look to CJ. Ranson, who's a
Speaker 6: plasma physicist and who I've known for many years. We'll
Speaker 6: be looking at let me see. He called Close Encounters
Speaker 6: of the Star kind as his first talk, and talking
Speaker 6: about the idea of uniformity being used to support the
Speaker 6: claim that mythology was only created in the minds of
Speaker 6: the writers. He'll be showing that that's not true. We've
Speaker 6: got doctor Franklin Anna Rieber who'll be talking about the
Speaker 6: electro chemistry of comets, since comets are an electrical phenomenon.
Speaker 6: Michael Steinbacher who's interested in plasma catastrophist geology, and that
Speaker 6: is the formations we see particularly in the US Southwest,
Speaker 6: and he talks about them in electrical terms. Doctor Tom Wilson,
Speaker 6: who'll be talking about the siren Song of certainty, which
Speaker 6: shows the rather odd way that science or human beings
Speaker 6: behave anyway when doing science, and that is they're attracted
Speaker 6: to the kind of group think and the difficulty that
Speaker 6: we have these days because of the institutionalization of science
Speaker 6: in breaking free from that and actually introducing really new ideas.
Speaker 6: We've got a number of other people Doctor Bruce Label
Speaker 6: and be talking about climate change and the Earth is
Speaker 6: a stellar transformer with Dwarded Cardona, who's written the definitive
Speaker 6: works on the earliest memories of mankind and the history
Speaker 6: of the Solar System. Doctor ap David talking about the
Speaker 6: metaphysics of Michael Faraday and ignacios Is near Us who's
Speaker 6: a very good friend and who's doing amazing work in
Speaker 6: analyzing images from space and looking at the filamentary structures
Speaker 6: which are indicative of electric currents in space. V Cochran,
Speaker 6: who's a colleague of Dave Talbots and has been for
Speaker 6: decades looking at planetary catastrophe in terms of ancient myths
Speaker 6: and modern science. We have another Chap who I haven't
Speaker 6: met yet, talking about solar system formation. And Pierre doctor
Speaker 6: Pierre Murray Robert Tay Now he's doing very important work
Speaker 6: looking at Kershoff's claims about thermal emission and showing that
Speaker 6: Kertchoff's laws are actually mistaken, and not only that that
Speaker 6: mex Plank's trying to claim that Kertchoff's laws are universal
Speaker 6: is incorrect as well. He's working with Stephen Crothers, another Australian,
Speaker 6: a good friend, who looks at general relativity and a
Speaker 6: case study in numerology and shows that the mathematics behind
Speaker 6: it is flawed, and anyone who's followed it since and
Speaker 6: claims to understand it, their mathematics also doesn't come up
Speaker 6: to scratch. We have a Reverend Robert Strait who's a
Speaker 6: PhD in chemistry let me see, in engineering, revisiting our
Speaker 6: understanding of classical physics and relativity because this is obviously
Speaker 6: one of the big themes. We've got doctor Gary Schwartz
Speaker 6: looking at extraordinary ideas and extraordinary evidence, and he's done
Speaker 6: amazing work. The University of Arizona. A couple of other
Speaker 6: people I haven't met before. Richard Moore was talking about
Speaker 6: the pulsating universe and planet Earth looking at electrical the
Speaker 6: spiky nature of electrical current and its implication in terms
Speaker 6: of cataclysm and ice ages and climate. Wayne burn I
Speaker 6: haven't met yet, talking about the structure of interplanetary discharges
Speaker 6: and the effect that has in cratering and showing that
Speaker 6: impact craters can only have been made by lightning bolts.
Speaker 6: We've got another chap talking about planet electrotropism, and this
Speaker 6: gives you an idea of the broad range once you
Speaker 6: are looking at the underpinnings of science, and cosmology is
Speaker 6: supposed to be the queen of the sciences, the umbrella
Speaker 6: under which all the others fit. Once you start producing
Speaker 6: a new cosmology, then it has effects right across science
Speaker 6: and also culture and cultural activities. So we have artists
Speaker 6: involved at various times. Michael Armstrong's talking about the culture
Speaker 6: shock of planetary catastrophe, and then we have David Novak,
Speaker 6: who's our master of ceremonies and an amazing guy. His
Speaker 6: ability to weave together the disparate subjects and talks and
Speaker 6: speakers is quite something to behold. He's quite a performer
Speaker 6: on his own, so it's going to be a great show.
Speaker 5: It sounds like it, Thank god. That is one hell
Speaker 5: of a lineup. And how many how many days is it?
Speaker 6: Well, the twenty fifth to the twenty ninth, so that's
Speaker 6: four days I think. Actually the first evening, of course,
Speaker 6: is open to the public. I think, so anyone who
Speaker 6: wants to come and have a listen, I can get
Speaker 6: some ideas of what's happening the following four days.
Speaker 5: Okay, And who puts this? I mean, I know you
Speaker 5: have a part of putting it together. Is it mostly
Speaker 5: David Talbot out there kind of putting the details into everything.
Speaker 6: We have a great team of volunteers now and without
Speaker 6: them this would not be possible. And in particular, we
Speaker 6: have somebody managing the conference, Susan Sheirot, who's quite an
Speaker 6: amazing organizer, and we expect to be doing live streaming
Speaker 6: on the web this year for the first time, we
Speaker 6: have people involved in that activity who have shown to
Speaker 6: be shown themselves to be extremely professional. So we're looking
Speaker 6: forward to this first for the Thunderbolts conferences.
Speaker 5: Wow, okay, and that I'm sure people will be able
Speaker 5: to find more about that at Thunderboltstart Info exactly. Yes, okay,
Speaker 5: And that's where you can go for all the infom
Speaker 5: this conference as well as you guys put so much
Speaker 5: stuff into that site.
Speaker 3: You have a video of the week that comes out.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's just so much information that's on a
Speaker 5: constant stream out of there from so many different people.
Speaker 3: It's utterly fascinating.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's so easy because science is reporting surprises almost
Speaker 6: on a weekly basis, so we've always got more material.
Speaker 5: And a lot of these surprises aren't surprises to you.
Speaker 6: No, this is the encouraging aspect of the electric universe.
Speaker 6: We're open to new ideas all the time, but these surprises,
Speaker 6: as they come in, we have a look to see
Speaker 6: how it fits with the big picture, as we call it,
Speaker 6: and we haven't had any difficulties at all fitting these
Speaker 6: surprises to the electric universe cosmology, which is of course
Speaker 6: how a replacement cosmology must operate. It must be able
Speaker 6: to explain things better than the old one.
Speaker 5: Right, And as an example that, do you want to
Speaker 5: explain a little bit about Comet sixty seven p and
Speaker 5: what they expected versus what you've guys have been saying
Speaker 5: about comets all along.
Speaker 6: Yes, well back in at the turn of the eighteenth
Speaker 6: nineteenth century, scientists were talking quite openly then about the
Speaker 6: electrical possibilities of comets, but that all got squashed for
Speaker 6: some reason or other. And the history of these ideas
Speaker 6: is always very interesting to trace because you often find
Speaker 6: where we make the big mistakes. And the big mistake
Speaker 6: was made when it was decided that electricity played no
Speaker 6: role in cosmology. And that is a quite amazing thing
Speaker 6: to do, because electrical power we just can't do without
Speaker 6: it in modern science and technology and day to day living,
Speaker 6: and yet it doesn't play a role in cosmology. And
Speaker 6: yet the electrical force is so much more powerful than gravity.
Speaker 6: I mean, gravity is so weak that it's essentially zero
Speaker 6: compared to electricity magnetism. And yet here's this almost zero
Speaker 6: force being given as the driving force in the universe.
Speaker 7: And this, of course is why we end up with
Speaker 7: black holes and.
Speaker 6: You know, these monstrous things that gobble everything up because
Speaker 6: gravity is all they've got to work with all they have.
Speaker 6: So anyway, getting back to comets, it was recognized early
Speaker 6: on that the features of a cometary display were similar
Speaker 6: to those seen in the old gas discharge tubes. You
Speaker 6: know this glow that you can get in a low
Speaker 6: pressure gas and of course, the solar system is an
Speaker 6: extremely low pressure gas. The flaring of comets is also
Speaker 6: an electrical phenomenon that you see on cathodes when they
Speaker 6: light up, and the jets also cathodejets. It's the kind
Speaker 6: of thing that they use in industry in spark machining.
Speaker 6: And this has been recognized too by people in the
Speaker 6: industry who've joined us, that all of these features makes
Speaker 6: sense from the point of view of electrical discharge machining. Now,
Speaker 6: so when we look at the jets on Comet sixty
Speaker 6: seven P, we are not expecting ice to be the
Speaker 6: responsible for it. In fact, it can occur from high points,
Speaker 6: sharp points and so on, and this is what we've
Speaker 6: observed in the past, that it's the sharp edges of
Speaker 6: craters and things on a surface which tend to get
Speaker 6: eroded away. The other thing about Comet sixty seven P,
Speaker 6: this gets down to our complete lack of understanding of gravity,
Speaker 6: is that as gravity suggests that it's a kind of fluffball,
Speaker 6: you know, it's not even solid ice. It must have
Speaker 6: a lot of empty space inside, so it's porous. Well,
Speaker 6: when you look at commet sixty seven P, it looks
Speaker 6: like a piece of rock. And my suggestion early on
Speaker 6: was if it looks like a piece of rock, then
Speaker 6: that should be your first assumption that it is rock.
Speaker 6: But of course the gravity says no, it can't be.
Speaker 6: But when you understand the electrical nature of gravity, because
Speaker 6: gravity is in effect in the electric universe model, a
Speaker 6: very weak dipole electrical force that's down at the subatomic level.
Speaker 7: That's why it's so weak. You know.
Speaker 6: It's the kind of effect from electrons and protons and neutrons,
Speaker 6: the bits that make up atoms. And a comet is
Speaker 6: in a very odd environment. It's quite different to the Earth.
Speaker 6: It's in the Sun's environment. There are no large bodies
Speaker 6: nearby to affect its atomic structure, so it has a
Speaker 6: very weak gravitational field, but that doesn't mean that it's
Speaker 6: not made.
Speaker 3: Up of rock.
Speaker 6: And also being in the Sun's electric field, as it
Speaker 6: travels rapidly more and more rapidly towards the Sun, its
Speaker 6: electrical environment is changing sponds to that it begins to discharge,
Speaker 6: and that, of course is what we see.
Speaker 5: Okay, And the established view of comets is pretty much
Speaker 5: that they're just dirty balls of ase.
Speaker 6: That's right, sublimating gas and the gas is blowing material
Speaker 6: off into space. But if that was the case, you
Speaker 6: would not expect to see these very fine colimated jets
Speaker 6: coming off the surface, because if you blow a hole
Speaker 6: in the surface and there's material underneath trying to escape
Speaker 6: into space, it'll do so I tend to do it
Speaker 6: in an explosive way. In other words, you won't get
Speaker 6: a fine jet. That would only happen if you happen
Speaker 6: to be machining nozzles for jets on the surface of
Speaker 6: the comet, and there's nobody there to do that.
Speaker 5: So the official explanation of comets, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 5: is that they are left over from the creation of
Speaker 5: the Solar System. They are out in the ort cloud
Speaker 5: and occasionally get knocked loose and come into the inner
Speaker 5: Solar System. Yes, where would you say, are in the
Speaker 5: electric universe theory? What are comets and where do they
Speaker 5: come from?
Speaker 6: Well, the standard story is based on the idea that
Speaker 6: the Earth and all the planets in the Sun were
Speaker 6: formed from a rotating disc of gas and dust. That
Speaker 6: theory has never been shown to work. Wasn't a meeting
Speaker 6: of astrophysicists a year or so ago and an expert
Speaker 6: on solar system formation, admitted that you needed a different
Speaker 6: theory for every planet.
Speaker 7: And that's the clue.
Speaker 6: In the electric universe, stars and planets, the large ones
Speaker 6: are built in effect in a cosmic lightning bolt in
Speaker 6: a molecular cloud. And this is exactly what the infrared
Speaker 6: telescopes like Herschel has observed. And the surprise expressed at
Speaker 6: the time was that the stars appeared to be like
Speaker 6: beads on a string, on a glowing string. Now this
Speaker 6: doesn't fit accretion theory at all, but it does fit
Speaker 6: the plasma cosmology and electric universe model precisely. Now, under
Speaker 6: those conditions, you form planetary systems by bodies in that
Speaker 6: lightning bolt. After the lightning bolt fades, they then capture
Speaker 6: one another to form systems with multiple stars and with
Speaker 6: multiple planets. And the surprise expressed by those who have
Speaker 6: looked at by now more than two thousand exoplanetary systems
Speaker 6: is that none of them seem to make any sense
Speaker 6: according to the standard theory of how the Solar system
Speaker 6: was formed. In fact, we look like the odd one out.
Speaker 6: Now this is a sure indication that your theory is failing.
Speaker 6: But science doesn't operate on failing theories. What they do
Speaker 6: is they get more and more complicated answers and keep
Speaker 6: the same theory. Anyway, in the process of capture, bodies
Speaker 6: have to adjust electrically to their new environment, and in
Speaker 6: doing so they often have to eject material, because one
Speaker 6: way of achieving electrical stability is to just get rid
Speaker 6: of a part of yourself, get a bit rid of
Speaker 6: that charge, which is charged matter, and so comets and
Speaker 6: asteroids and all the debris floating around in the Solar System,
Speaker 6: of the remnants of previous capture events and the Solar system,
Speaker 6: because all of the gas giants are at a great
Speaker 6: distance from the Sun, must have been captured. None of
Speaker 6: them have any relevance to the formation of the Sun.
Speaker 6: They were captured later. That's why it's such a fruit
Speaker 6: salad of objects in this Solar system. And the electric
Speaker 6: universe story, which we'll be talking about it as conference,
Speaker 6: is what happened in the last episode of capture, because
Speaker 6: that impacted human kind dramatically and we still haven't recovered
Speaker 6: from the after effects psychological after effects of that.
Speaker 3: Now, was that the end of the last ace age?
Speaker 7: Yes, the ice age was part of it.
Speaker 6: In fact, there is no climate theory that explains ice ages.
Speaker 5: Now do you think there was a shift in the polls?
Speaker 5: What do you think happened at the end of the
Speaker 5: during that started the ice age and ended it.
Speaker 6: All of the evidence points to the fact that we
Speaker 6: were part of the captured bodies in the last ice age,
Speaker 6: was part of that phenomenon.
Speaker 7: The story is.
Speaker 6: Without science fiction, any science fiction story, simply because, as
Speaker 6: often happens, in fact, is stranger than fiction. But we
Speaker 6: have all of the evidence in place now to be
Speaker 6: able to fairly well quite confidently point to the last
Speaker 6: phases of that capture episode in which the Earth was involved,
Speaker 6: and the ancients recorded at that time these thunderbolts of
Speaker 6: the gods. They called them these interplanetary discharges, and that's
Speaker 6: the origin of the materialists floating around in the Solar System. Now,
Speaker 6: in fact, that's the very reason why Martian meteorites are
Speaker 6: still landing on the Earth.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we were captured by the Solar system?
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, Now.
Speaker 3: Is this the Saturn hypothesis here?
Speaker 7: That's right.
Speaker 6: We called the proto Saturn story because Saturn, in its
Speaker 6: former existence outside the Sun's electrical environment, was a brown
Speaker 6: dwarf star and it's fascinating that in recent years astronomers
Speaker 6: have finally come to the conclusion that life would be
Speaker 6: well suited to begin around as a satellite of a
Speaker 6: brown dwarf.
Speaker 5: Okay, and when it got into a Sun's environment it
Speaker 5: lost some of that charge.
Speaker 6: Well in the process of capture. Proto Saturn would have
Speaker 6: been a phenomenal comet of its own. Discharges involved in
Speaker 6: that one would have been quite amazing. And this is
Speaker 6: the kind of thing that's been recorded around the world
Speaker 6: in petroglyphs. And that was a critical moment in our
Speaker 6: development of this work, was the coming together of hey energy,
Speaker 6: plasma physics and the mythological evidence of these interplanetary discharges.
Speaker 6: I made the initial connection with Dave Talbert back in
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety six ninety seven, and that's when we realized
Speaker 6: that the convergence of the science that I was doing
Speaker 6: and the reconstruction of the mythological stories, the global mythological stories,
Speaker 6: was the thunderbolt. It was the electrical interaction, and of
Speaker 6: course when that was established, it.
Speaker 7: Became obvious to me.
Speaker 6: Also in Australia, our Aboriginal people here have legends of
Speaker 6: the Lightning Brothers and their depictions show things which you'd
Speaker 6: expect from the hyenergy pleasma lab experiments to exist at
Speaker 6: which they could not have known about. The very fact
Speaker 6: they described these things is very strong forensic evidence in
Speaker 6: favor of the work that we're doing.
Speaker 1: A cast Classics. Carrie Jade Does Not Exist is a
Speaker 1: story of how one woman who took on over six
Speaker 1: different identities infiltrated the lives of vulnerable people and lied
Speaker 1: her way into gaining their trust.
Speaker 2: It's almost like she has this rare gift of being
Speaker 2: able to ascertain the exact hopes and dreams of a community.
Speaker 2: She offers them exactly that and then just bails.
Speaker 1: This series tells a story of how Carrie Jade built
Speaker 1: up a picture perfect persona until she finally got kindled
Speaker 1: up in her own web of lives. Find out more
Speaker 1: about Carrie j Does Not Exist at acast dot com
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Speaker 5: Can you give us sort of an overview of what
Speaker 5: would have happened?
Speaker 6: Yes, provided you don't disbelief doesn't cut in and you
Speaker 6: just listen.
Speaker 7: No, that's fine, Okay.
Speaker 6: We were a part of a Brown Dwell stellar system
Speaker 6: and Saturn or proto Saturn, which would have been a
Speaker 6: larger body than it is now was our Sun if
Speaker 6: you like. Now, if you could imagine Saturn or jubiter
Speaker 6: today and if their magnetosphere was lit up, you would
Speaker 6: see something printance with Jupiter. If it's magnetosphere lit up,
Speaker 6: when we were close closest on the same side of
Speaker 6: the Solar System as Jupiter, we would see Jupiter as
Speaker 6: big as the full moon. Now, that is the extent
Speaker 6: of its electrical environment. Now, a brown dwarf has a
Speaker 6: very large electrical environment, much larger than the central body.
Speaker 6: Just like the Sun, its electrical environment extends out one
Speaker 6: hundred times the distance of the Earth from the Sun
Speaker 6: to the heliosphere. But in the case of brown dwarfs,
Speaker 6: this electrical environment is lit up as a glow discharge,
Speaker 6: so it glows red. So brown dwarfs, although the small stars,
Speaker 6: actually their glow is much larger than the star itself.
Speaker 6: And if you can imagine, if you're on any of
Speaker 6: the moons of Jupiter or Satin, you would be inside
Speaker 6: that red glow. And it's known that if you are
Speaker 6: inside a glowing shell, it doesn't matter where you are
Speaker 6: inside that shell, you will receive the same amount of
Speaker 6: energy on your surface, regardless of where you are, how
Speaker 6: you're moving, and so on. So the Earth at that
Speaker 6: time had a very benign environment for life, and there
Speaker 6: was no latitudinal difference. In other words, the poles were
Speaker 6: as warm as the equator. There was no night and
Speaker 6: day because the light was switched on all the time,
Speaker 6: if you like, we're inside the light, and so there
Speaker 6: was no such thing as night or day. It's interesting
Speaker 6: to try and speculate on how that must have been.
Speaker 6: But the light was remembered as dim, and it was
Speaker 6: purplish because you get both the right end of the
Speaker 6: spectrum and the blue and ultra violet in those electrical systems.
Speaker 6: So it was the purple dawn of creation, as it
Speaker 6: was remembered. Now, as satin came close to the Sun's
Speaker 6: electrical circuit, it began to suffer adjustment problems. And this
Speaker 6: is one of the things that's been noticed about brown
Speaker 6: dwarfs and as puzzled astronomers, is that they tend to flare.
Speaker 6: That's their only way of adjusting to their environment. So
Speaker 6: proto Saturn flared up, and that was the sudden brightening.
Speaker 6: This let there be light, you know, suddenly everything lit
Speaker 6: up brilliantly, and this glow tended to clear somewhat, and
Speaker 6: as we drew closer to the Sun, Proto Saturn itself,
Speaker 6: the actual physical body Proto Saturn developed a shining crescent
Speaker 6: on one side. And because at this stage Proto Saturn
Speaker 6: was under this electrical theory of gravity, it tends to
Speaker 6: get accelerated towards the Sun, away from its satellites, so
Speaker 6: the satellites were strung out behind it, rather like the
Speaker 6: comets who make a lev nine. We were sitting in
Speaker 6: the cometary tale of Proto Saturn. The plasma environment there
Speaker 6: was recorded by the ancients, and they saw these what's
Speaker 6: known as plasma instabilities, and there are about eighty of them,
Speaker 6: but they recorded most of them. The ones they tended
Speaker 6: not to record were the ones that were lethal. In
Speaker 6: other words, the plasma discharge itself was emitting X rays
Speaker 6: of such intensity that anyone out in the open try
Speaker 6: to chisel into the rock what they saw in the
Speaker 6: sky wouldn't have lasted very long.
Speaker 7: All of this.
Speaker 6: Became evident once we teamed up with the plasma physicists.
Speaker 6: So the protosatom was captured by the Solar system in
Speaker 6: the process, of course, it would have had to encounter
Speaker 6: have reasonably close encounters with some of the other bodies
Speaker 6: in the Solar System, and the principal one would have
Speaker 6: been in Jupiter. The jubiter was responsible for dislodging the
Speaker 6: Earth from this unstable arrangement of planets strung out in
Speaker 6: the line. It's interesting that Venus was observed as being
Speaker 6: born as part of this phenomenal discharge from proto Saturn,
Speaker 6: and so Venus became the archetypal comet in all of
Speaker 6: these ancient stories. In the case of the Australian Aborigines,
Speaker 6: that was the rainbow serpent that sculpted the surface of
Speaker 6: the Earth.
Speaker 7: So these things are really.
Speaker 6: You know, they sound like total fiction, but we have
Speaker 6: an enormous amount of evidence in favor of them. And
Speaker 6: what's more, the predictions and the expectations that come from
Speaker 6: this new cosmology being met regularly with new just coveries.
Speaker 3: Now, how long ago would this have occurred.
Speaker 6: This is a difficult one. But the last Ice Age
Speaker 6: was part of the process, so you're looking around twelve
Speaker 6: thousand years ago something like that. But of course the
Speaker 6: process of adjustment, although it was rapid because there was
Speaker 6: electrical exchanges involved in transferring energy and as part of
Speaker 6: the stabilization process. That's why the solar system looks like
Speaker 6: clockwork today. The whole thing seems to have taken place
Speaker 6: around twelve thousand years ago turned to twelve thousand, but
Speaker 6: there would have been repercussions with objects flying around and
Speaker 6: creating havoc and fear and mankind of another near total wipeout.
Speaker 6: That was our fear of doomsday. That's where it comes from,
Speaker 6: and it seems that we still suffer from it today
Speaker 6: because we seem to always need to have some kind
Speaker 6: of asked in mind, which we're all going to die
Speaker 6: from unless some miracle occurs or man can find out
Speaker 6: a way to fix it. And the climate change is
Speaker 6: the latest one. It's funny to realize that it's only
Speaker 6: a few decades ago. Sidists were telling us we're in
Speaker 6: for a new ice age since they don't understand ice age,
Speaker 6: as that prediction was false as well.
Speaker 3: So what was the ice age?
Speaker 7: The ice age was known as well.
Speaker 6: It was the fimble winter of the Nordic gods. It
Speaker 6: was the twilight of the gods. It was when we
Speaker 6: were lost touch with our former sun. And it's interesting
Speaker 6: that the words for Saturn, but the names for Saturn
Speaker 6: are the ones that we now have transferred to the Sun,
Speaker 6: like Soul and Helios were originally the names of Saturn.
Speaker 6: It drifted off and became just a speck of light
Speaker 6: in the sky, and we had to find our new
Speaker 6: home in the Solar system. That involves electrical adjustment of
Speaker 6: our orbit, and also Venus. Venus had to find its place.
Speaker 6: So between Mars, Earth and Venus there was a lot
Speaker 6: of activity until we settle down, and so those repercussions
Speaker 6: would have lasted over thousands of years, possibly down into
Speaker 6: the year before, around the time the pyramids were built
Speaker 6: and so on. All of those major undertakings were in
Speaker 6: response to man's desperate need to try and establish control
Speaker 6: over nature. Again, that was the driving force behind all
Speaker 6: of that monumental architecture and so on, worshiping of gods
Speaker 6: and whatnot. What about quebecly Tepe, Yes, it shows signs
Speaker 6: of having the same origin.
Speaker 5: Okay, do you think there were recording devices or worship devices?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: I think in each case it was an attempt to
Speaker 6: try and as man has a tendency to do, try
Speaker 6: and gain control over nature. In this case, all they
Speaker 6: could do was to try and mimic what they'd seen
Speaker 6: in the sky, is if that would somehow appease these
Speaker 6: out of control planetary gods.
Speaker 8: So was in the electric universe theory you comment on
Speaker 8: the connections to mythology. Was there any cosmological event that
Speaker 8: was recorded across culturally?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, this is the whole thing. Forensic investigation requires
Speaker 6: that you treat all evidence from different cultures as you
Speaker 6: would from unreliable witnesses in a police investigation. But the
Speaker 6: amazing thing is that when you use that technique, you
Speaker 6: find that certain themes occur, doesn't matter where you look
Speaker 6: around the world, at these ancient cultures, and those ones
Speaker 6: are the ones that you can be fairly certain. In fact,
Speaker 6: they are the ones that I've used to try and
Speaker 6: reconstruct the cosmology of the Earth, the solar system and
Speaker 6: how it all works.
Speaker 5: And what themes were these well, I can of it,
Speaker 5: not either pick one particular culture or general overview.
Speaker 6: Oh no, No, the most ancient ones, the ones that
Speaker 6: we pay most attention to, and any references to what
Speaker 6: they said or wrote or chiseled into rock is what
Speaker 6: we use.
Speaker 7: In fact, the.
Speaker 6: Petroglyphs, which are prehistoric were some of the most telling
Speaker 6: evidence that we could find for what we reconstructed independently
Speaker 6: of the plasma physicists. So that was really I think
Speaker 6: that was where the convergence really began to solidify into
Speaker 6: a coherent theory, both scientific and cultural.
Speaker 7: What did the petroglyphs show, Sorry, I didn't hear that.
Speaker 3: What did the petroglyphs show that were chiseled? Oh?
Speaker 6: The petroglyph show, for instance, the squad a man symbol.
Speaker 6: The squad of man looks like a chap with his
Speaker 6: legs and arms out at right angles, you know, arms
Speaker 6: up raised and his legs stretched out. And the odd
Speaker 6: thing is that between the elbows and the knees there
Speaker 6: is often a spot drawn or a circle. Now the
Speaker 6: hourglass shape, which is what the squad of man is
Speaker 6: representation of. Looking through a plasma discharge from side on
Speaker 6: that has that squad of man's shape, it has the
Speaker 6: raised It's like an hourglass, you know, with the one
Speaker 6: the top part is stretches out and upwards and the
Speaker 6: bottom half stretches downwards and outwards. But in the plasma discharge,
Speaker 6: you have a circle of plasma around the center and
Speaker 6: that appears when you look at air john as two
Speaker 6: bright dots or circles between the knees and the elbows,
Speaker 6: if you like. Now, this is repeated around the world,
Speaker 6: and there are hundreds of thousands of these petrobush dotted
Speaker 6: around the world. And so a study was begun by
Speaker 6: the chap who was Tony Perett, who was the expert
Speaker 6: in plasma instabilities. He'd studied them, and so he began
Speaker 6: an investigation utilizing the help of volunteers in various countries,
Speaker 6: including quite a few here in Australia, of recording photographically
Speaker 6: and with GPS position and the magnetic orientation of these things,
Speaker 6: with the aim of being able to reconstruct in three
Speaker 6: D the appearance of these things in the sky.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, all right, and that study showed what.
Speaker 6: Well, one of the interesting ones that came up in
Speaker 6: the early studies was that you have a radiating circle
Speaker 6: pattern which was used by the North American Indians, and
Speaker 6: it was possible to show that we had here in
Speaker 6: Australia similar well, it was almost identical pattern, but it
Speaker 6: was offset as you would expect from the two different
Speaker 6: points of view on the Earth's surface. In other words,
Speaker 6: what they're representing was something seen in the sky from
Speaker 6: two different positions on Earth well, and those patterns were
Speaker 6: those of a plasma discharge.
Speaker 5: All right, we got to take a quick break. We're
Speaker 5: going to be right back with Wollstonehill.
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Speaker 5: And tonight, we've been talking with Wallace Thornhill about the
Speaker 5: electric universe theory, and you've just given us an overview
Speaker 5: of the concept of the destruction that happened at the
Speaker 5: end of the ace age, and what in us being
Speaker 5: attached to Saturn and so on and so forth. This
Speaker 5: wasn't saying he came up with overnight. This was saying
Speaker 5: that slowly developed over a number of years, oh yes, decades,
Speaker 5: and in some of this started with Velakowski's work too,
Speaker 5: didn't it.
Speaker 6: That's right. In fact, I give credit to Velakowski for
Speaker 6: having introduced me to the forensic style of investigation of
Speaker 6: ancient stories from around the world, and his idea that
Speaker 6: Venus was a comet within the memory of mankind, and
Speaker 6: my great interest in astronomy as a student at high
Speaker 6: school really inspired me to read more and it resulted in.
Speaker 7: Meeting up with him.
Speaker 6: Actually, just a few months before he died in nineteen
Speaker 6: seventy nine. I was working for the Australian government in Washington, DC,
Speaker 6: and I called his home and he graciously agreed to
Speaker 6: meet with me and my family, and so I drove
Speaker 6: up there in nineteen seventy nine. I think it was
Speaker 6: in April, and I think he died in November of
Speaker 6: that year. But my question for him at the time was,
Speaker 6: if Venus was a comet in a man's memory, then
Speaker 6: it's quite obvious we don't understand celestial dynamics, because you
Speaker 6: wouldn't en not with the clockwork solar system you see today.
Speaker 6: And I said to him, the biggest problem that he
Speaker 6: faced with having his ideas looked at seriously by scientists
Speaker 6: was that it appeared to disobey Newton's laws, Newton's law
Speaker 6: of gravity. And and so I said to him, what
Speaker 6: is it we don't understand about gravity?
Speaker 7: And he.
Speaker 6: Climbed the stairs to his library and came back with
Speaker 6: the slim volume that he'd written back in the thirties,
Speaker 6: I think was published in the forties called Cosmos Without Gravitation.
Speaker 6: And he said it was a preliminary work and he
Speaker 6: didn't want it widely distributed, but he gave it to me.
Speaker 6: And in there was the idea that gravity had something
Speaker 6: to do with normal matter and the separation of charge
Speaker 6: within normal matter. Now this happens as a regular I mean,
Speaker 6: this is the reason we exist. Is that atoms distort
Speaker 6: when they come close to one another, and they formed
Speaker 6: these molecular bonds, and quite a lot of them, most
Speaker 6: of them are these distorted atom type electrical bonds. And
Speaker 6: so he said it was something along those lines, and
Speaker 6: a lot of ideas that put forward which interested me.
Speaker 6: But that meant that I had, if you like, a
Speaker 6: prepared mind, because two years later, I think it was
Speaker 6: in the Scientific American in nineteen eighty one, I think
Speaker 6: it was January. There was a tiny advertisement for the
Speaker 6: Journal of Classical Physics, and the champion responsible for it
Speaker 6: was Ralph Sandsbury, an independent researcher from New York State.
Speaker 6: So I wrote to him and I got a copy
Speaker 6: of his issue, which was called Electron Structure. Now, according
Speaker 6: to the way physicists, particle physicists handle electrons, they're treated
Speaker 6: as a point electric charge, which is physically impossible because
Speaker 6: the energy involved in I mean a point is non
Speaker 6: physical anyway. So it's a mathematical convenience. And that interested
Speaker 6: me because that offered as Ralph Sansbury showed in his
Speaker 6: small volume, it showed that you could explain magnetism and
Speaker 6: derive Vampire's law from the very simple idea of having
Speaker 6: an electron with a kind of atomic structure. In other words,
Speaker 6: it was made up itself of smaller charged particles orbiting
Speaker 6: at phenomenal speeds. One of the other aspects of that
Speaker 6: was that it also gave a handle on how gravity
Speaker 6: might work in terms of the tiny distortion of subatomic
Speaker 6: particles in an electric field, and he developed that and
Speaker 6: I was very interested, but it took decades for me
Speaker 6: to come up with a slightly modified version of Ralph's work,
Speaker 6: which I felt answered most of the questions, and it
Speaker 6: started to form the idea of an elect the electrical
Speaker 6: nature of gravity, and it answered the main questions. Why
Speaker 6: is gravity's such a tremendously weak force. I mean, it's
Speaker 6: about ten to the minus thirty nine of the electrical
Speaker 6: force between two charged particles, and that is as close
Speaker 6: to zero as you can get practically. It's the reason
Speaker 6: why we're not reduced to something a micron thick on
Speaker 6: the surface of the Earth. If we were subjected to
Speaker 6: the raw or electrical force instead of that, we can
Speaker 6: jump off the Earth. We can function quite happily in
Speaker 6: that's gravity. So the development of all of these ideas
Speaker 6: came initially from Velikovsky's work, and because it involved the
Speaker 6: trying to reconstruct what the ancients were desperately trying to
Speaker 6: tell us with their stories, and the people like the
Speaker 6: Australian Aborigines with their oral traditions, seem to have remembered
Speaker 6: details for thousands of years. They felt it was extremely
Speaker 6: to hand this information down to subsequent generations. The problem
Speaker 6: for us is that none of the things they were
Speaker 6: talking about make any sense to us, simply because we've
Speaker 6: never experienced anything like it, and hopefully we won't.
Speaker 5: Go ahead. When we were removed from this environment around Saturn.
Speaker 5: How come we didn't end up like Mars.
Speaker 6: Well we could very well have, but Mars. Interestingly enough,
Speaker 6: the engines described exactly its situation after sat And gave
Speaker 6: birth to Venus in a brilliant outburst, like a nova
Speaker 6: type outpouring of material. It went into orbit initially about
Speaker 6: proto Saturn, and because it was born from proto Saturn,
Speaker 6: it was given a backward kick. That's why it has
Speaker 6: that odd rotation and retrograde rotation, because it was torn
Speaker 6: from its parent before it had time to set up
Speaker 6: gravitational phase Locke. Anyway, the ancients witnessed that. But when
Speaker 6: Saturn began to be accelerated towards the Sun and it
Speaker 6: was pulled like a pip out of the center of
Speaker 6: its little planetary system, and its satellited trail behind closest
Speaker 6: to Saturn was Venus. It was the newborn one beyond
Speaker 6: that was Mars, and then there was Earth. Now, Mars
Speaker 6: was in the unfortunate situation in this plasma discharge from
Speaker 6: Saturn of acting as an oscillating charge carrier between Venus
Speaker 6: and Earth. So sometimes it was tiny, and it seemed
Speaker 6: to be retreating into its mother's womb, and knew a
Speaker 6: lot of stories about that. And then at other times
Speaker 6: it approached the Earth closely, so closely that I must
Speaker 6: have been absolutely frightening. And then it was the giant.
Speaker 6: It was the giant that supported the heavens and with thunderbolts.
Speaker 6: It was the planetary god of war. And so it
Speaker 6: suffered terribly, and the evidence for that is written all
Speaker 6: over its surface. Now it has kilometers material ripped off
Speaker 6: its northern hemisphere, and it has a cratered southern hemisphere.
Speaker 6: And it's the kind of difference you would expect from
Speaker 6: the electrical model of discharging acting as a cathode in
Speaker 6: one discharge in one hemisphere and an anode in the
Speaker 6: other is exactly what we would give you. The effects.
Speaker 6: We see the giant gash across the face of Mars,
Speaker 6: which stretched for a third of the way around the
Speaker 6: planet ballast Marinerus was observed by the ancients and recorded
Speaker 6: Mars had a scar had a scar face. The American
Speaker 6: Indians called him Scarface.
Speaker 5: A couple of things I wanted to get to before
Speaker 5: the end of the show here. One of the things
Speaker 5: was previous ice ages that the Earth went through. What
Speaker 5: was happening in those instances versus the most recent one.
Speaker 6: Well, one of the questions is how did we survive
Speaker 6: if we came in from outside the Solar System and
Speaker 6: then we're stripped off from proto Saturn. Maybe somewhere between
Speaker 6: Mars and Jupiter's orbit where we find the asteroids is
Speaker 6: likely where a lot of activity occurred, because the asteroids
Speaker 6: are debris from that kind of event. And so one
Speaker 6: of the things is that in the process of orbital capture,
Speaker 6: the electrical model shows that its transfer of electrical energy,
Speaker 6: which is involved in stabilizing the orbit, and that electrical
Speaker 6: energy would have had heating.
Speaker 7: Power.
Speaker 6: It would have heated the Earth to some degree. So
Speaker 6: although the radiation from the Sun at times would have
Speaker 6: been very very much less than we get right now,
Speaker 6: at some point in our orbit it'd be like having
Speaker 6: a cometary orbit with terrible winters and terrible summers, and
Speaker 6: that is what the ancients complained about at various times,
Speaker 6: about the sun being too far away or too close
Speaker 6: and the sky having to be lifted. A lot of
Speaker 6: stories like that.
Speaker 5: But do we have a cycle of ice ages though
Speaker 5: that go back hundreds of thousands of years.
Speaker 6: What we tend to do is because of the clockwork
Speaker 6: Newtonian model, there is this tendency to look for cycles
Speaker 6: which don't actually exist. The problem is that the very
Speaker 6: act of trying to date things geologically is based on
Speaker 6: radioactive dating. Now, radioactive dating assumes that radioactive decay is
Speaker 6: a constant process. But if there's any interference from outside,
Speaker 6: particularly with the energies involved in cosmic thunderbolts, then the
Speaker 6: clocks are smashed. Who said all sorts of strange things
Speaker 6: will happen. And also it's been shown recently that radioactive
Speaker 6: decay is not a constant. It depends on the environment,
Speaker 6: and even the Sun affects radioactive decay our relationship to
Speaker 6: the sun, so we cannot use radioactive decay as an
Speaker 6: accurate dating system.
Speaker 8: Just a quick question, could you explain what a cosmic
Speaker 8: thunderbold is?
Speaker 6: Cosmic thunderbold is an electrical discharge between celestial bodies two plants,
Speaker 6: and it doesn't take the form of normal lightning because
Speaker 6: lightning in the ath atmosphere is a thin, filamentary type
Speaker 6: of discharge. In space. What happens is you get I
Speaker 6: think it forms a structure. In a near vacuum, an
Speaker 6: electrical discharge will organize what matter is in that vacuum
Speaker 6: to form a structure called a plasmoid. And this is
Speaker 6: the kind of thing that was done, or the experimental
Speaker 6: work was done on decades ago, in the early decades
Speaker 6: of the twentieth century. It's just unfortunate that plasma physics
Speaker 6: took a while to get off the ground compared to
Speaker 6: the standard physics, and therefore a lot of the ideas
Speaker 6: about what the sun is and so on was set
Speaker 6: in place by people who knew nothing about plasma physics,
Speaker 6: which is unfortunate.
Speaker 5: Now, like the scar on the planet Mars that would
Speaker 5: have been done from a cosmic thunderbolt.
Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely, yes. In fact, I've written on my website
Speaker 6: a description of what happened, because it took me a
Speaker 6: long while to figure out what it was precisely that
Speaker 6: was represented by that scar. Because it has a distinctive shape,
Speaker 6: and that shape became clear to me when NASA published
Speaker 6: a picture showing the topography in different colors, and then
Speaker 6: I realized that that shape is that of a barred
Speaker 6: spiral galaxy, and in plasma cosmology, a barred spiral galaxy
Speaker 6: is the grandest form of electrical discharge in the universe,
Speaker 6: in the visible universe.
Speaker 5: Okay, interesting, One of the things I wanted to ask
Speaker 5: you is a little bit off from what we've been
Speaker 5: talking about. But does the electric universe theory have any
Speaker 5: consequence on theories of consciousness?
Speaker 6: Yes, how so, because at the very heart of the
Speaker 6: particle physics of the electric universe is the fact that
Speaker 6: all matter in the universe is connected in real time effectively,
Speaker 6: at least in the local universe. It obviously it cannot
Speaker 6: be of infinite speed, but it's certainly far in excess
Speaker 6: of the speed of light. And the other thing is
Speaker 6: that so called quantum events merely the instantaneous, resonant interactions
Speaker 6: between atoms, molecules, and particles, and this explains a lot
Speaker 6: of the so called weirdness and strangeness of quantum theory.
Speaker 6: And of course quantum theory is being called on to
Speaker 6: help explain consciousness. So it gives you the impression, and
Speaker 6: it's an impression that we are a part of something
Speaker 6: much bigger than ourselves, and that consciousness is a part
Speaker 6: of it. And it's not just it's not in the brain,
Speaker 6: it's everywhere. If you like, we're part of something grander
Speaker 6: than ourselves because we represent a connection with the If
Speaker 6: you like, intelligent universe.
Speaker 3: Okay, a question from the chat room.
Speaker 5: So we want to know if you would say consciousness
Speaker 5: is then inherently electrical.
Speaker 6: Oh yes, yeah, it is an electric universe. And I
Speaker 6: mean that not just that you know the planetary interactions
Speaker 6: and so on, but at the sub atomic level, everything
Speaker 6: is connected electrically. It's the electric force which explains all
Speaker 6: the other's magnetism, gravity, the strong nuclear force, and so on.
Speaker 7: It's all electrical.
Speaker 5: Okay, And Cosmosnake would also want wanted to know if
Speaker 5: plasmoids came from space or also from the Earth.
Speaker 6: They can do either. It depends on the polarity of
Speaker 6: the discharge which way it goes. But the plasmoid is
Speaker 6: it's like a It was described by the ancients who
Speaker 6: witnessed these things or remembered them as like a coal
Speaker 6: spat out of a fire.
Speaker 7: In other words, it's an object.
Speaker 6: It has a physical appearance, and it moves from one
Speaker 6: planet to the other. So it's not like a lightning
Speaker 6: bolt tall. In fact, if you look at the carvings,
Speaker 6: the statues and that of Zeus hurling is thunderbolt. That
Speaker 6: thunderbolt it is hurling looks like a football shaped corpsecrew.
Speaker 7: That is one representation.
Speaker 6: Another one is the Tibetan doorge. It looks like a
Speaker 6: dumbbell with a very intricate pattern. That intricate pattern is
Speaker 6: part of the plasma discharge.
Speaker 3: All right, you have any anything you want.
Speaker 8: Maybe if we could touch back upon an electrical model
Speaker 8: for a star. I've always been under the impression that
Speaker 8: we've observed through monuclear reactions coming from the Sun and
Speaker 8: can measure its radiation. How does the electric universe theory
Speaker 8: kind of mix in with that or does it?
Speaker 6: Yes, so, mannuclear reactions occur at the Sun, but not
Speaker 6: in the Sun. The brightness that we see of the
Speaker 6: Sun is all atmospheric, got nothing to do with anything
Speaker 6: going on inside the Sun. The electrical energy that the
Speaker 6: Sun receives is catalyzed in the solar atmosphere. In fact,
Speaker 6: we have seen I mean, the evidence for the term
Speaker 6: nuclear reactions is the neutrinos that we receive. But that's
Speaker 6: such a fuzzy image you cannot tell where they're coming from.
Speaker 6: I mean, the Sun is just at the center of
Speaker 6: this fuzzy image. So there's never been any proof of
Speaker 6: the reactions that are supposed to take place in the
Speaker 6: center of the sun. It's all theoretical. And not only that,
Speaker 6: the theory is so damn complicated that you need a
Speaker 6: different theory for every different kind of star that you see.
Speaker 6: It is extremely complicated. The electrical model is very simple
Speaker 6: and it explains red giants, white dwarfs, pulsars. They're not
Speaker 6: neutron stars. There's no such thing, and it's all one
Speaker 6: simple model.
Speaker 5: Cosmo Sneak also want to know. This is a great question.
Speaker 5: Is there a main electrical source admitting from somewhere or
Speaker 5: is the some producing electricity itself.
Speaker 6: That's a good point. One thing about electrical energy is
Speaker 6: that you can generate it in one place and send
Speaker 6: it for great distances and then use it somewhere else.
Speaker 6: And this is what the universe appears to be doing.
Speaker 6: We cannot say this is part of the ongoing investigation,
Speaker 6: of course, where the power ultimately comes from. It's like
Speaker 6: one of those where did it all begin questions? We
Speaker 6: don't know the answers. We can begin to ask more
Speaker 6: sensible questions. However, what happens is that clouds of plasma
Speaker 6: ionized material in the universe, when it's moving relative to
Speaker 6: other clouds of ionized material, will generate electric currents in
Speaker 6: each other. So that can be part of the answer,
Speaker 6: but it's not the full answer because when we look
Speaker 6: at galaxies themselves, the galaxies are strung along intergalactic power lines.
Speaker 6: We can actually detect the power lines by their radio
Speaker 6: emissions and so on, and also the orientation of galaxies,
Speaker 6: which is not explained by Big Bang cosmology.
Speaker 3: Now it's almost like a string of Christmas lights.
Speaker 7: That's right.
Speaker 6: Yes, they're strung along power lines, just the same as
Speaker 6: the stars are in spiral galaxies. They're strung along the
Speaker 6: spiral arm power lines.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 5: And I would think that different suns and different like
Speaker 5: the red dwarf or a brown dwarf versus a red giant,
Speaker 5: is different to how much power they're getting.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's the difference between the central objects electrical potential
Speaker 6: and the plasma environment it happens to find itself in.
Speaker 6: And a red giant is a star that expands its
Speaker 6: anod if you like, this is how it works anyway.
Speaker 6: It expands its anoid to connect sorry to collect enough
Speaker 6: electrons to satisfy the discharge, and in doing so it
Speaker 6: appears an extraordinary size. But that size can vary quite
Speaker 6: rapidly and unexpectedly, and it's not explained by the standard
Speaker 6: model of red giants. They also tend to have very
Speaker 6: strong winds. Now, these are a cool star. Wit only
Speaker 6: get the strong wind from well, the strong wind. When
Speaker 6: you expand the anoide glow, it accelerates particles and that
Speaker 6: accelerate those accelerated particles create that strong wind from red giants.
Speaker 6: And when you come to white dwarfs, the white dwarf
Speaker 6: is a star like the sun, but it doesn't have
Speaker 6: a bright photosphere. It doesn't require a photosphere to modulate
Speaker 6: its discharge, so it just as a corona. And that
Speaker 6: faint white glow that we see during a total eclipse
Speaker 6: is what a white dwarf is. It radiates strongly in
Speaker 6: ex rays rather than in a visible light, and this
Speaker 6: is what we observe with white.
Speaker 3: Dwarfs, and what about supernovas.
Speaker 6: Supernovas are an electrical explosion when you break a circuit
Speaker 6: on a high voltage power line, and you can see
Speaker 6: videos of these on YouTube, say a five hundred thousand,
Speaker 6: half million volt in a continental power line. You get
Speaker 6: this enormous release of energy and this great spark that
Speaker 6: arcs for meters up into the air. That's what happens
Speaker 6: to a star if it breaks the circuit. And you
Speaker 6: can do that in plasma physics with what's called a
Speaker 6: double layer, and a double layer can actually pinch the
Speaker 6: current off if it gets to a certain density. And
Speaker 6: it seems that a super and ova is one where
Speaker 6: the electrical discharge causes an imbalance in the electrical stress
Speaker 6: inside the body so that it actually spews its insides out.
Speaker 6: And this is exactly what's been observed in as Puss
Speaker 6: super and over experts because they said it seems to
Speaker 6: turn itself inside out. That's not explained by the explosion model.
Speaker 5: When you're looking at all this stuff, when you're looking
Speaker 5: into deep space, are you seeing a direction from which
Speaker 5: all these electrical charges are traveling.
Speaker 6: There's the radio astronomers that are important here because the
Speaker 6: radio astronomers can track the magnetic fields generated by those
Speaker 6: electric currents. And one of the speakers at the conference
Speaker 6: this year, Ignacio Sincenarios, is actually he's doing what they
Speaker 6: call the blink. You know, we super imposed two images
Speaker 6: and then just blink from one to the other, and
Speaker 6: he's finding changes in dust clouds. These electric currents tend
Speaker 6: to aggregate dust along their length, so you can sometimes
Speaker 6: pick them up as dusty filaments, and he's doing that
Speaker 6: and showing them changing rapidly over a short period of time,
Speaker 6: which is not expected gravitationally.
Speaker 5: Oh all right, we're just about out of time. Your
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Speaker 7: That's right.
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Speaker 7: Yep.
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Speaker 6: all sorts of scientists and engineers and lay people who
Speaker 6: some of them are actually doing experiments in their garage.
Speaker 5: Would you believe, but you do have a lot of
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Speaker 6: Well, that's right, this is what we expected. We didn't
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Speaker 7: We'll see.
Speaker 6: Which side better answers their problems, and eventually those with
Speaker 6: the courage will make the jump.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, thank you so much for spending some
Speaker 5: time with us, Wallace.
Speaker 7: It's been a pleasure.
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