WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:05.320 A Cast Classics. Carrie Jade Does Not Exist is a 2 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:08.000 story of how one woman who took on over six 3 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:12.320 different identities infiltrated the lives of vulnerable people and lied 4 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:13.880 her way into gaining their trust. 5 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:16.480 It's almost like she has his rare gift of being 6 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:20.239 able to ascertain the exact hopes and dreams of a community. 7 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:23.719 She offers them exactly that and then just bails. 8 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:26.960 This series tells a story of how Carrie Jade build 9 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:30.359 up a picture perfect persona until she finally got tindled 10 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:33.320 up in her own web of lives. 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Now join 23 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:30.840 your host Soriyah on this week's edition of Where Did 24 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:32.000 the Road Go? 25 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:36.000 Yes, and welcome to the show. And I'm back this 26 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:39.120 week again with mister Luke Saint Clair. Hello, Luke, glad 27 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:42.159 to be here. And in a few seconds here we're 28 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:44.760 going to be talking to Wallace Thornhill about the Electric Universe. 29 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:47.000 Before we get to that, I want to mention that 30 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.599 I will be putting up as a midweek podcast my 31 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.799 conversation with Larry Scranton and John Anthony West that I 32 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:56.920 conducted last Tuesday. I was hoping to get the video up, 33 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:01.400 but when I rendered the video it it is MISSYNCD 34 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:04.400 for some reason about an hour and it's a two hour, 35 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:06.599 fascinating interview. But I'm going to get the audio up 36 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:09.280 first so people can check it out, and the video 37 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:12.520 will be up on YouTube hopefully by next week. So 38 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:16.240 that was and Laird dropped some big bombshells near the 39 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.479 end of that interview, and the interaction between the two 40 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:21.919 of them is just fascinating. Plus you get to see 41 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:25.719 a little John Anthony West's house. All right, So, as 42 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:29.159 I said, we're going to be talking here with Wallace Thornhill. 43 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:31.960 Hello, Wallace, how are you doing? Awesome? 44 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:37.319 I'm fine, thank you? And you are still in Australia right, yes, 45 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:42.319 for the moment. And next yeah, it's next month. Now 46 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.439 you have a conference in Arizona. 47 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:48.800 That's correact twenty fifth to twenty knots of June and 48 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:50.439 it's a trainees. 49 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:55.439 Okay, and that is the Electric Universe. This is the 50 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:57.159 big conference you do every year, right. 51 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:02.000 Yeah, the Thunderbolts Conference which is based around the Electric Universe. 52 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.159 Okay, And how many years have you been doing it? 53 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:10.039 Let me think, I think this is the fourth year. 54 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:10.919 How's that? 55 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.680 It seems like you're doing them longer than that. 56 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:14.879 Oh yeah. 57 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:18.759 Prior to that we had a lot of meetings which 58 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:22.199 was sort of ad hoc, but these having won every 59 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:26.520 year gives people an expectation of being able to meet 60 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:28.280 up and chat at least once a year. 61 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:32.719 And well, who do you have at this one? Wow? 62 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:39.000 We've got quite a lineup apart from Don Scott, who's 63 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:42.919 the professor of electrical Engineering and has been working on 64 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:44.639 the Electric Sun, Electric Sky. 65 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:46.479 His book is called The Electric Sky. 66 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:51.240 My colleague that I've worked with since nineteen ninety seven 67 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:57.120 is David Talbot, and we have Professor Jerry Pollack. We'll 68 00:03:57.159 --> 00:04:00.479 be talking about beyond water, what makes the world go around, 69 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:04.039 talking about the fourth state of order and its critical 70 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:11.560 nature for life itself. Montgomery Childs who's an engineer who 71 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.560 ran a big engineering company and is now the head 72 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:17.959 of our Sapphire project, which is looking at proving the 73 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:24.759 electrical model of stars. We've got Ben Davidson from He 74 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:29.519 runs the show Suspicious Observers on Suspicious Observers dot Org 75 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:34.639 and looks at the electrical nature of earthquakes. Does the 76 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:39.160 Sun trigger large earthquakes? Look to CJ. Ranson, who's a 77 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:44.399 plasma physicist and who I've known for many years. We'll 78 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:49.560 be looking at let me see. He called Close Encounters 79 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:54.000 of the Star kind as his first talk, and talking 80 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.800 about the idea of uniformity being used to support the 81 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:59.360 claim that mythology was only created in the minds of 82 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:03.759 the writers. He'll be showing that that's not true. We've 83 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:06.879 got doctor Franklin Anna Rieber who'll be talking about the 84 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:10.879 electro chemistry of comets, since comets are an electrical phenomenon. 85 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:18.759 Michael Steinbacher who's interested in plasma catastrophist geology, and that 86 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:22.720 is the formations we see particularly in the US Southwest, 87 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:29.079 and he talks about them in electrical terms. Doctor Tom Wilson, 88 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:34.439 who'll be talking about the siren Song of certainty, which 89 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:39.560 shows the rather odd way that science or human beings 90 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:42.959 behave anyway when doing science, and that is they're attracted 91 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:46.519 to the kind of group think and the difficulty that 92 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.199 we have these days because of the institutionalization of science 93 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:53.839 in breaking free from that and actually introducing really new ideas. 94 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:59.360 We've got a number of other people Doctor Bruce Label 95 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:03.079 and be talking about climate change and the Earth is 96 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:09.439 a stellar transformer with Dwarded Cardona, who's written the definitive 97 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:12.639 works on the earliest memories of mankind and the history 98 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:18.000 of the Solar System. Doctor ap David talking about the 99 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:23.000 metaphysics of Michael Faraday and ignacios Is near Us who's 100 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:26.000 a very good friend and who's doing amazing work in 101 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:30.879 analyzing images from space and looking at the filamentary structures 102 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:35.240 which are indicative of electric currents in space. V Cochran, 103 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:38.639 who's a colleague of Dave Talbots and has been for 104 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:42.920 decades looking at planetary catastrophe in terms of ancient myths 105 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:47.040 and modern science. We have another Chap who I haven't 106 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:52.399 met yet, talking about solar system formation. And Pierre doctor 107 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:55.800 Pierre Murray Robert Tay Now he's doing very important work 108 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:02.439 looking at Kershoff's claims about thermal emission and showing that 109 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:09.160 Kertchoff's laws are actually mistaken, and not only that that 110 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.480 mex Plank's trying to claim that Kertchoff's laws are universal 111 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:18.680 is incorrect as well. He's working with Stephen Crothers, another Australian, 112 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:23.399 a good friend, who looks at general relativity and a 113 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.879 case study in numerology and shows that the mathematics behind 114 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:32.279 it is flawed, and anyone who's followed it since and 115 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:37.560 claims to understand it, their mathematics also doesn't come up 116 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:42.360 to scratch. We have a Reverend Robert Strait who's a 117 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:47.600 PhD in chemistry let me see, in engineering, revisiting our 118 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:51.000 understanding of classical physics and relativity because this is obviously 119 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:55.680 one of the big themes. We've got doctor Gary Schwartz 120 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:59.040 looking at extraordinary ideas and extraordinary evidence, and he's done 121 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:05.439 amazing work. The University of Arizona. A couple of other 122 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:08.000 people I haven't met before. Richard Moore was talking about 123 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:13.279 the pulsating universe and planet Earth looking at electrical the 124 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.839 spiky nature of electrical current and its implication in terms 125 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:21.720 of cataclysm and ice ages and climate. Wayne burn I 126 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:28.720 haven't met yet, talking about the structure of interplanetary discharges 127 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:32.320 and the effect that has in cratering and showing that 128 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:35.759 impact craters can only have been made by lightning bolts. 129 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:42.000 We've got another chap talking about planet electrotropism, and this 130 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:44.679 gives you an idea of the broad range once you 131 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.720 are looking at the underpinnings of science, and cosmology is 132 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:53.559 supposed to be the queen of the sciences, the umbrella 133 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:58.440 under which all the others fit. Once you start producing 134 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:03.759 a new cosmology, then it has effects right across science 135 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:08.320 and also culture and cultural activities. So we have artists 136 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:13.360 involved at various times. Michael Armstrong's talking about the culture 137 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:16.840 shock of planetary catastrophe, and then we have David Novak, 138 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:22.399 who's our master of ceremonies and an amazing guy. His 139 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:28.919 ability to weave together the disparate subjects and talks and 140 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:33.759 speakers is quite something to behold. He's quite a performer 141 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:36.159 on his own, so it's going to be a great show. 142 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:39.360 It sounds like it, Thank god. That is one hell 143 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:42.080 of a lineup. And how many how many days is it? 144 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:45.480 Well, the twenty fifth to the twenty ninth, so that's 145 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:52.879 four days I think. Actually the first evening, of course, 146 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:55.240 is open to the public. I think, so anyone who 147 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:58.000 wants to come and have a listen, I can get 148 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.279 some ideas of what's happening the following four days. 149 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:05.919 Okay, And who puts this? I mean, I know you 150 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:07.840 have a part of putting it together. Is it mostly 151 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.440 David Talbot out there kind of putting the details into everything. 152 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:15.120 We have a great team of volunteers now and without 153 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:19.360 them this would not be possible. And in particular, we 154 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:24.240 have somebody managing the conference, Susan Sheirot, who's quite an 155 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.759 amazing organizer, and we expect to be doing live streaming 156 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:32.799 on the web this year for the first time, we 157 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:36.639 have people involved in that activity who have shown to 158 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:40.000 be shown themselves to be extremely professional. So we're looking 159 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:43.759 forward to this first for the Thunderbolts conferences. 160 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:47.240 Wow, okay, and that I'm sure people will be able 161 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:51.480 to find more about that at Thunderboltstart Info exactly. Yes, okay, 162 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:53.000 And that's where you can go for all the infom 163 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:56.159 this conference as well as you guys put so much 164 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:57.399 stuff into that site. 165 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:00.000 You have a video of the week that comes out. 166 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.000 I mean, there's just so much information that's on a 167 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:05.120 constant stream out of there from so many different people. 168 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:06.639 It's utterly fascinating. 169 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:12.279 Yeah, it's so easy because science is reporting surprises almost 170 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:16.320 on a weekly basis, so we've always got more material. 171 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:19.399 And a lot of these surprises aren't surprises to you. 172 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:23.919 No, this is the encouraging aspect of the electric universe. 173 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:28.559 We're open to new ideas all the time, but these surprises, 174 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.759 as they come in, we have a look to see 175 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:34.279 how it fits with the big picture, as we call it, 176 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:40.000 and we haven't had any difficulties at all fitting these 177 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:45.639 surprises to the electric universe cosmology, which is of course 178 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:51.759 how a replacement cosmology must operate. It must be able 179 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.039 to explain things better than the old one. 180 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:57.559 Right, And as an example that, do you want to 181 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:00.759 explain a little bit about Comet sixty seven p and 182 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:03.480 what they expected versus what you've guys have been saying 183 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:04.559 about comets all along. 184 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:10.759 Yes, well back in at the turn of the eighteenth 185 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:15.720 nineteenth century, scientists were talking quite openly then about the 186 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:21.639 electrical possibilities of comets, but that all got squashed for 187 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:24.360 some reason or other. And the history of these ideas 188 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:26.879 is always very interesting to trace because you often find 189 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:29.600 where we make the big mistakes. And the big mistake 190 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:34.159 was made when it was decided that electricity played no 191 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:38.720 role in cosmology. And that is a quite amazing thing 192 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:42.080 to do, because electrical power we just can't do without 193 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:46.879 it in modern science and technology and day to day living, 194 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:51.960 and yet it doesn't play a role in cosmology. And 195 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.080 yet the electrical force is so much more powerful than gravity. 196 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:58.360 I mean, gravity is so weak that it's essentially zero 197 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:04.120 compared to electricity magnetism. And yet here's this almost zero 198 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:08.200 force being given as the driving force in the universe. 199 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:10.240 And this, of course is why we end up with 200 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:11.320 black holes and. 201 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.120 You know, these monstrous things that gobble everything up because 202 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:18.159 gravity is all they've got to work with all they have. 203 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:24.720 So anyway, getting back to comets, it was recognized early 204 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:28.679 on that the features of a cometary display were similar 205 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:31.759 to those seen in the old gas discharge tubes. You 206 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:34.919 know this glow that you can get in a low 207 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.320 pressure gas and of course, the solar system is an 208 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:45.519 extremely low pressure gas. The flaring of comets is also 209 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:49.919 an electrical phenomenon that you see on cathodes when they 210 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:54.039 light up, and the jets also cathodejets. It's the kind 211 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.879 of thing that they use in industry in spark machining. 212 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:02.000 And this has been recognized too by people in the 213 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:06.279 industry who've joined us, that all of these features makes 214 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:10.679 sense from the point of view of electrical discharge machining. Now, 215 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.159 so when we look at the jets on Comet sixty 216 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:19.360 seven P, we are not expecting ice to be the 217 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:23.919 responsible for it. In fact, it can occur from high points, 218 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:26.480 sharp points and so on, and this is what we've 219 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:29.840 observed in the past, that it's the sharp edges of 220 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:33.159 craters and things on a surface which tend to get 221 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:37.559 eroded away. The other thing about Comet sixty seven P, 222 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.919 this gets down to our complete lack of understanding of gravity, 223 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:47.240 is that as gravity suggests that it's a kind of fluffball, 224 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:50.320 you know, it's not even solid ice. It must have 225 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:55.480 a lot of empty space inside, so it's porous. Well, 226 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:58.519 when you look at commet sixty seven P, it looks 227 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.679 like a piece of rock. And my suggestion early on 228 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:03.559 was if it looks like a piece of rock, then 229 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:06.000 that should be your first assumption that it is rock. 230 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.399 But of course the gravity says no, it can't be. 231 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:14.519 But when you understand the electrical nature of gravity, because 232 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:18.080 gravity is in effect in the electric universe model, a 233 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:23.720 very weak dipole electrical force that's down at the subatomic level. 234 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:25.679 That's why it's so weak. You know. 235 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.919 It's the kind of effect from electrons and protons and neutrons, 236 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:33.440 the bits that make up atoms. And a comet is 237 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:36.159 in a very odd environment. It's quite different to the Earth. 238 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:39.440 It's in the Sun's environment. There are no large bodies 239 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.879 nearby to affect its atomic structure, so it has a 240 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.159 very weak gravitational field, but that doesn't mean that it's 241 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:47.720 not made. 242 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:48.120 Up of rock. 243 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:52.679 And also being in the Sun's electric field, as it 244 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:57.240 travels rapidly more and more rapidly towards the Sun, its 245 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.960 electrical environment is changing sponds to that it begins to discharge, 246 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:04.240 and that, of course is what we see. 247 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:10.399 Okay, And the established view of comets is pretty much 248 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:12.360 that they're just dirty balls of ase. 249 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:16.159 That's right, sublimating gas and the gas is blowing material 250 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.440 off into space. But if that was the case, you 251 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.840 would not expect to see these very fine colimated jets 252 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:24.440 coming off the surface, because if you blow a hole 253 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:27.720 in the surface and there's material underneath trying to escape 254 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:32.039 into space, it'll do so I tend to do it 255 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:34.679 in an explosive way. In other words, you won't get 256 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:37.519 a fine jet. That would only happen if you happen 257 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.759 to be machining nozzles for jets on the surface of 258 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:43.440 the comet, and there's nobody there to do that. 259 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:49.440 So the official explanation of comets, if I'm not mistaken, 260 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:51.399 is that they are left over from the creation of 261 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.159 the Solar System. They are out in the ort cloud 262 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.799 and occasionally get knocked loose and come into the inner 263 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:01.399 Solar System. Yes, where would you say, are in the 264 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:03.559 electric universe theory? What are comets and where do they 265 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:04.240 come from? 266 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:09.480 Well, the standard story is based on the idea that 267 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:12.279 the Earth and all the planets in the Sun were 268 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:16.279 formed from a rotating disc of gas and dust. That 269 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:19.599 theory has never been shown to work. Wasn't a meeting 270 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:22.559 of astrophysicists a year or so ago and an expert 271 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.839 on solar system formation, admitted that you needed a different 272 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:28.000 theory for every planet. 273 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:30.279 And that's the clue. 274 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:34.400 In the electric universe, stars and planets, the large ones 275 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:39.039 are built in effect in a cosmic lightning bolt in 276 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:42.000 a molecular cloud. And this is exactly what the infrared 277 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:46.880 telescopes like Herschel has observed. And the surprise expressed at 278 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:50.720 the time was that the stars appeared to be like 279 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:54.559 beads on a string, on a glowing string. Now this 280 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:57.799 doesn't fit accretion theory at all, but it does fit 281 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:04.880 the plasma cosmology and electric universe model precisely. Now, under 282 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:10.960 those conditions, you form planetary systems by bodies in that 283 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:18.160 lightning bolt. After the lightning bolt fades, they then capture 284 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.799 one another to form systems with multiple stars and with 285 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:27.920 multiple planets. And the surprise expressed by those who have 286 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:32.079 looked at by now more than two thousand exoplanetary systems 287 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:34.519 is that none of them seem to make any sense 288 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:37.279 according to the standard theory of how the Solar system 289 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:39.400 was formed. In fact, we look like the odd one out. 290 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:42.799 Now this is a sure indication that your theory is failing. 291 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.759 But science doesn't operate on failing theories. What they do 292 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:50.599 is they get more and more complicated answers and keep 293 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:58.000 the same theory. Anyway, in the process of capture, bodies 294 00:18:58.039 --> 00:19:02.119 have to adjust electrically to their new environment, and in 295 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:06.119 doing so they often have to eject material, because one 296 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:10.119 way of achieving electrical stability is to just get rid 297 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:13.160 of a part of yourself, get a bit rid of 298 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:19.240 that charge, which is charged matter, and so comets and 299 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:22.200 asteroids and all the debris floating around in the Solar System, 300 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:26.440 of the remnants of previous capture events and the Solar system, 301 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:28.359 because all of the gas giants are at a great 302 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:32.319 distance from the Sun, must have been captured. None of 303 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:35.319 them have any relevance to the formation of the Sun. 304 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:38.279 They were captured later. That's why it's such a fruit 305 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:43.279 salad of objects in this Solar system. And the electric 306 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:46.000 universe story, which we'll be talking about it as conference, 307 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:50.559 is what happened in the last episode of capture, because 308 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:57.039 that impacted human kind dramatically and we still haven't recovered 309 00:19:57.039 --> 00:19:59.880 from the after effects psychological after effects of that. 310 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:02.799 Now, was that the end of the last ace age? 311 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:05.400 Yes, the ice age was part of it. 312 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:08.599 In fact, there is no climate theory that explains ice ages. 313 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:12.119 Now do you think there was a shift in the polls? 314 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:14.799 What do you think happened at the end of the 315 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:17.680 during that started the ice age and ended it. 316 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:20.960 All of the evidence points to the fact that we 317 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:24.839 were part of the captured bodies in the last ice age, 318 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:26.880 was part of that phenomenon. 319 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:30.039 The story is. 320 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:36.119 Without science fiction, any science fiction story, simply because, as 321 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:40.400 often happens, in fact, is stranger than fiction. But we 322 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:42.680 have all of the evidence in place now to be 323 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:48.000 able to fairly well quite confidently point to the last 324 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.160 phases of that capture episode in which the Earth was involved, 325 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:59.440 and the ancients recorded at that time these thunderbolts of 326 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.240 the gods. They called them these interplanetary discharges, and that's 327 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:06.799 the origin of the materialists floating around in the Solar System. Now, 328 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:10.039 in fact, that's the very reason why Martian meteorites are 329 00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:11.279 still landing on the Earth. 330 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:15.680 Okay, so we were captured by the Solar system? 331 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:18.480 Yes, yes, Now. 332 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:21.240 Is this the Saturn hypothesis here? 333 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:21.880 That's right. 334 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:26.359 We called the proto Saturn story because Saturn, in its 335 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:31.680 former existence outside the Sun's electrical environment, was a brown 336 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:36.160 dwarf star and it's fascinating that in recent years astronomers 337 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:40.599 have finally come to the conclusion that life would be 338 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:45.279 well suited to begin around as a satellite of a 339 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:46.279 brown dwarf. 340 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:49.400 Okay, and when it got into a Sun's environment it 341 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:51.240 lost some of that charge. 342 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:55.759 Well in the process of capture. Proto Saturn would have 343 00:21:55.839 --> 00:22:01.240 been a phenomenal comet of its own. Discharges involved in 344 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:04.000 that one would have been quite amazing. And this is 345 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:06.200 the kind of thing that's been recorded around the world 346 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:10.880 in petroglyphs. And that was a critical moment in our 347 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:16.119 development of this work, was the coming together of hey energy, 348 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:22.799 plasma physics and the mythological evidence of these interplanetary discharges. 349 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:29.680 I made the initial connection with Dave Talbert back in 350 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:34.680 nineteen ninety six ninety seven, and that's when we realized 351 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:37.039 that the convergence of the science that I was doing 352 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:44.720 and the reconstruction of the mythological stories, the global mythological stories, 353 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:50.079 was the thunderbolt. It was the electrical interaction, and of 354 00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:53.160 course when that was established, it. 355 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:54.079 Became obvious to me. 356 00:22:54.160 --> 00:23:01.640 Also in Australia, our Aboriginal people here have legends of 357 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:04.599 the Lightning Brothers and their depictions show things which you'd 358 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:09.200 expect from the hyenergy pleasma lab experiments to exist at 359 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:12.319 which they could not have known about. The very fact 360 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:18.559 they described these things is very strong forensic evidence in 361 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:20.319 favor of the work that we're doing. 362 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:28.559 A cast Classics. 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Find out more 372 00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:59.480 about Carrie j Does Not Exist at acast dot com 373 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:01.160 Forwards A Classics. 374 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:08.400 Can you give us sort of an overview of what 375 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:09.200 would have happened? 376 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:16.240 Yes, provided you don't disbelief doesn't cut in and you 377 00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:16.880 just listen. 378 00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:19.759 No, that's fine, Okay. 379 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:24.079 We were a part of a Brown Dwell stellar system 380 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:28.039 and Saturn or proto Saturn, which would have been a 381 00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:33.440 larger body than it is now was our Sun if 382 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:37.920 you like. Now, if you could imagine Saturn or jubiter 383 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:43.400 today and if their magnetosphere was lit up, you would 384 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:47.920 see something printance with Jupiter. If it's magnetosphere lit up, 385 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:52.079 when we were close closest on the same side of 386 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:57.599 the Solar System as Jupiter, we would see Jupiter as 387 00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:01.759 big as the full moon. Now, that is the extent 388 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:05.680 of its electrical environment. Now, a brown dwarf has a 389 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.039 very large electrical environment, much larger than the central body. 390 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:13.119 Just like the Sun, its electrical environment extends out one 391 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:15.519 hundred times the distance of the Earth from the Sun 392 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:20.039 to the heliosphere. But in the case of brown dwarfs, 393 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:24.680 this electrical environment is lit up as a glow discharge, 394 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:30.640 so it glows red. So brown dwarfs, although the small stars, 395 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:35.839 actually their glow is much larger than the star itself. 396 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:39.160 And if you can imagine, if you're on any of 397 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:42.799 the moons of Jupiter or Satin, you would be inside 398 00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:47.799 that red glow. And it's known that if you are 399 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:51.160 inside a glowing shell, it doesn't matter where you are 400 00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:53.559 inside that shell, you will receive the same amount of 401 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:59.240