WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.879 Oncet we cant worth actually than seven. But in the 2 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:07.400 twenty tens we would have this argument. And this alone 3 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:13.080 actually has converted a lot of people, and it's part 4 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:21.519 of Ephesus. Yeah. Well, we want to see the entire 5 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:25.120 letter of Cyril to Nestorius, and we want to see 6 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:29.760 the line of argumentation that he has. All right, I 7 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:32.079 can't read that script. It's funny. See if we can 8 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:33.960 find a good copy. Okay, here we go. Maybe this 9 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:40.399 will work. So the anathemas are attached at the end, 10 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:42.799 and let me see if this has the full quote 11 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:47.759 that I'm looking for here, because people don't realize that 12 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:51.960 one of Cyril's biggest arguments is the Eucharist against Nestorias. 13 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:05.719 H h m hm, h. 14 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:10.040 M hm. 15 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:15.920 He's going to argue that deification in the Eucharist refutes 16 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:36.519 in the stories. I hate these screens. H. I don't 17 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:40.159 think this is the full letter. This seems truncated. Let's see, 18 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:46.560 is it. Well, maybe it's the wrong numbered letter. Let's see. Yah. 19 00:01:52.319 --> 00:02:00.280 H It's always a challenge, dude, to try to to 20 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:06.079 find the freaking shaft version and list with what people 21 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:08.680 have on their websites. This is this is a nightmare. 22 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:14.759 It always happens. I think this is the first epistle. 23 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:25.639 Let's see, by the way Cyril argues at the beginning 24 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:29.879 that the faith comes before human interpersonal relations. So I 25 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:39.080 hope we can find this. Let's see it is when 26 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:41.599 he says, when our Savior says, let's see if this 27 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:46.479 is it? Oh, I think this is it? Okay, so 28 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:57.560 this should be. I keep having to switch glasses because 29 00:02:57.560 --> 00:02:59.879 I hate this freaking glare of the screen in my face. 30 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:06.919 All right, following the declaration of the Holy Fathers, this 31 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:15.879 is yeah, this is it okay. So notice here he 32 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:21.680 says the Holy Synod in Rome and Great Rome with 33 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:28.319 Pope Celestine, and he argues that the faith is more 34 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:36.879 important than interpersonal relations. The right faith rejected and the 35 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:41.560 flocks torn into pieces by thee, we ought to preserve them. 36 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:44.360 If thou wert a lover of right doctrine, tracking the 37 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:47.120 piety of the Holy Fathers, and all who have been 38 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:51.199 by thy piety severed for the faith's sake, both late 39 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:55.840 and cleric. So he's saying that together with Pope Celestine, 40 00:03:56.479 --> 00:04:02.199 they reject and anathematized Astorias. And he's going to talk 41 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:06.319 about the line of argumentation to prove that. And he's 42 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.360 going to say that we feed on the flesh of 43 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:12.360 the god Man. And how could we feed on the 44 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.520 flesh of the god Man if Nestorius is dual subject 45 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:25.560 ristology was true and he was just some dude. He says, 46 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:29.720 this is the faith of the Catholic Apostolic Church, and 47 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:35.519 it anathematizes anyone who would say otherwise. I think it's 48 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:44.480 right here. He assumed flesh and blood from the womb 49 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:48.240 of the Virgin Mary, God by nature. And in truth, 50 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:50.959 neither do we say the flesh was turned into the 51 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:53.720 nature of the Godhead, nor that the inefftable nature of 52 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:56.560 God the Word was born. Aside from the nature of flesh. 53 00:04:56.600 --> 00:04:59.879 It is unchangeable in invarying. So the divine essences in past. 54 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:03.560 And he says, and thus as a babe in swaddling clothes, 55 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:06.959 yet in the lap of the Virgin, the virgin bear him, 56 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:11.120 he was filling creation as God while he was in 57 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:15.120 the lap of the virgin, he says. And then he 58 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:29.879 goes on to say, here it's hard to tell where 59 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:36.879 this argument actually starts. We will necessarily add this also, 60 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:41.680 this is it right here? Here's the main point. He says, 61 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:47.600 declaring the death in the flesh of the only gotten 62 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:50.000 Son of God, that is Christ confession, that confession that 63 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:53.879 he lives again from the dead. We celebrate the unbloody 64 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:58.360 service of some translations say sacrifice. This is the Eucharist. 65 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:02.120 And thus we approach the mystical blessings. They're sanctified, and 66 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.879 we are render partakers of His holy flesh and blood. 67 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:09.720 Not as though receiving the flesh God forbid of some 68 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:14.319 man connected with the Word by a unity of dignity 69 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:17.040 that's in the Storian position, or as a divine in dwelling, 70 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:23.439 but as truly quickening deification the flesh of the Word himself. 71 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:28.639 For by being by nature God, since he became one 72 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:31.160 with his own flesh, he rendered the flesh to be 73 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.399 life giving. That's the uncreated energies, that's the real presence. 74 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:37.279 And by the way, elsewhere he argues in it for 75 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:41.800 the energies explicitly barely, I say unto you, except you 76 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:43.240 eat the flesh of the Son of Man, to drink 77 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:48.279 his blood, you will not have life. Thus, truly he 78 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:52.680 has become our flesh, and is called son of Man. 79 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:59.480 In other words, he's saying, if Jesus was not the 80 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:02.040 The flesh of Christ is another deified flesh of the 81 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:04.560 Son of God. Then you're eating the flesh of some man, 82 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:07.240 which would be cannibalism and which could not save you. 83 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:16.480 So deification proves, according to Saint Cyril, that Christ is 84 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:20.040 a divine hypostasis of the sole subject of all the 85 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:23.279 incarnate actions. And then he makes these same arguments in 86 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:28.240 the Anathemas from the Eucharist, where he says that consuming 87 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:31.160 some man wouldn't save us, but consuming the flesh of 88 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:34.720 the God Man would save us. And thus he says, 89 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:41.319 the Eucharist refutes Nestorius Anathema twelve says, if anyone does 90 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:43.439 not confess that God the word suffered in the flesh 91 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:45.319 has been crucified into the flesh, taste of death, of 92 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:47.959 flesh has been made first born of the dead. Inasmuch 93 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.399 as he is life and life giving, let him be anathema. 94 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.680 That's in the context of the Eucharist what he calls 95 00:07:54.000 --> 00:08:12.279 the sacrifice. So his flesh is life giving flesh. So 96 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:18.319 here you can read the letters for yourself, and there's 97 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.879 more in there, it's just hard to find it. From 98 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:24.160 the Chaft version to the online version. But there's the 99 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:28.800 letter with the anathemas, and you'll see that, Oh that's 100 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:34.159 not Protestant at all. Cyril's actually making liturgical arguments against mystorias. 101 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:37.200 You ever heard of Protestant making a liturgical argument against anybody? 102 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.480 How does that not write there show you that Protestants 103 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:44.840 do not have the faith. I'm not saying they're not 104 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.279 sincere it's not a question of it. You can be 105 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.519 sincerely wrong. The question is do they have the faith. 106 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:54.039 The faith is not I believe in jus, that's not 107 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:58.919 the faith. You have that belief in your head. But 108 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.559 the faith is the faith. Once we're all delivered to 109 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:04.879 the Saints, the faith confessed that. And I see a 110 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:17.320 conspicus calcedon trollo and I see two and so G 111 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:23.559 what's up dude? Yo? 112 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:28.679 J you know that Israel fell into error? Right, I'm 113 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:29.639 just I'm totally joke. 114 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:34.879 No genuine question here for for for someone who has 115 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:40.279 landed at the position that prostism is not the faith 116 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:42.200 kind of like you just said, our soul scripture that 117 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:48.440 just has no grounds but is not uh clear on 118 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:51.080 like east or west, for for example, would to say 119 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:53.559 getting clear on the filial quick and the papacy should 120 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:57.279 be like primary as next steps. 121 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:01.080 Or like what would you say to that? Yeah, I 122 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.360 think the easiest route, if you wanted a quick route, 123 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:06.000 would be to go to my website and read the 124 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:09.960 Ecumenical Canons refute the papacy. That's a collection that I 125 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.480 think a guy's a deacon now might become an a priest. 126 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:16.120 That Seraphim and our discord created that back in twenty eighteen, 127 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.399 and he basically just listed all the canons from the 128 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:23.639 Seven Councils as an example that disproves the Vatican One 129 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:28.000 arguments for the Roman Catholic version of the papacy. So 130 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:30.120 that's the quickest route that I could say to see 131 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:32.679 that in all of these centuries and all these councils, 132 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:34.600 they don't have the attitude of Vatican One, and so 133 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:38.240 therefore the Vatican one arguments for the papacy are obviously 134 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:41.000 out of accord with the Seven Ecumenical Council's idea of 135 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:43.799 the papacy. Beyond that, I would say, I've got several 136 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:47.919 videos on kill shot contradictions that prove that the papacy 137 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:51.279 changes its dogma. There is the temple supremacy, a temporal 138 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:54.240 supremacy argument that's changed. There's the death penalty argument that's changed. 139 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:57.639 There's a religious liberty that's changed, Acumenism doctrine has changed. 140 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:01.039 These are all easy kill shots to that the papacy 141 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:06.559 has contradicted itself openly, dogmatically, many many times. So go 142 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:08.559 check those out. And also, if you want a book, 143 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:11.200 you can start with something like, UH, two Paths by 144 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:14.320 Michael Welton. That's a good readable introduction to the topic. 145 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:15.440 UH. 146 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.320 And then if you want more advanced, get Sashinsky's book 147 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:23.600 Orthodoxy in the Papacy. Ethan, I can't believe we still 148 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:29.879 haven't gotten one single Protestant Evangelical to call in. Ethan. 149 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:34.159 What's up, dude, you owe me a Gucci suit? Ethan. 150 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:38.919 Yeah, I appreciate it, and the mean situation. I was 151 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.360 just gonna call in and ask for a second. 152 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:43.279 So I'm an inquirer. 153 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.279 I'm gonna go into an Orthodox parish and now about 154 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.919 four months. I have no trouble with icons. I think 155 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:49.840 icons are fine. 156 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:51.679 I think the cool thing that. 157 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:56.960 Icons have that and the orthodox that they have is 158 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:00.799 there's some ones that it sounds like we're miracles. 159 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.600 Like I think there's a parish in northeast Pennsylvania as 160 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:05.759 a very icon. 161 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:07.159 I can't remember the name of. 162 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:07.919 The parish, but. 163 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:15.000 That is something that evangelicals to have. And then the 164 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:18.200 other thing I was gonna say was the last thing 165 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:19.960 was when I look at. 166 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:25.360 The Creed, it's this one holy Catholic episodic church and 167 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:28.159 baptismal forgiveness. 168 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:28.879 Like forgiveness of sins. 169 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:29.320 And so. 170 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:34.559 When I talk good prostant friends, I don't think they 171 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:36.360 agree with that. 172 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:39.440 No, of course I don't. The only the only Protestants 173 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:41.759 of believe in Bagelan regeneration are some of the Lutherans, 174 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:44.000 which again I don't know how that makes any sense, 175 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:48.600 but you can see here clearly when the Creed says 176 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:51.559 one holy caloic apsol like church, they mean Bagilism and regeneration. 177 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:54.120 And everybody knows that. And it doesn't matter how many 178 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:57.279 times redeemed zoom Erny these people try to re formulate it, 179 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:00.720 restate it. Everybody knows. The cappet oceans are teaching about 180 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:10.120 bismal regeneration are que requiem. What's up, dude? Okay, well, hey, j. 181 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:17.639 My issue with Orthodoxy is the priests. They have the beads. 182 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:20.399 I think they need to have the Doug Wilson go 183 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:21.840 te I think that would. 184 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:22.600 Be like more manly. 185 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:27.960 Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. So dudes literally out 186 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:30.399 here trying to argue for the gen X church. If 187 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:35.879 you don't have a gen X goatee, then you aren't 188 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:40.360 authentically apostolic, right, because we all know. And by the way, 189 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:44.200 you notice in my fat dude who I gave I said, 190 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:50.960 this is Saint Dunning Krueger, the patron saint of evangelical apologists. 191 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:56.000 Notice he's got the Bloomer goatee. I mean, the gen 192 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:59.480 X goate The only thing I would change on this 193 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:03.120 I should have giving him a like a professional sports 194 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:07.279 jersey cap or I should have made the Godly Ambition 195 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:10.559 T shirt, the Rouslan T shirt. It should have been 196 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:14.200 a jersey. That's the thing I should have added, right, 197 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:17.039 it should be a jersey, and he should have a 198 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:23.000 I don't know it's a star at David in the 199 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:30.080 background or something drizzy. What's up? Hey, what's going on? 200 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:30.480 Jay? 201 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:31.240 What's on your mind? 202 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:34.360 I'm sorry, I say again. 203 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:35.440 I said, what's on your mind? Man? 204 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:36.320 Oh? 205 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:36.919 What's going on? 206 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:41.039 I really like your content bank acquirer for maybe two 207 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:44.200 months now, I was just wondering, is there a book 208 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:48.159 set for the for like e communical councils that you 209 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:48.879 would recommend. 210 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:56.639 I would say read instead of trying to read through 211 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.080 the ecumenical councils. I mean, you could get this volume. 212 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:01.919 This volume is well, you can find the Philip Schaff. 213 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:05.120 You can sometimes buy just the volume sale on the 214 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:11.120 ecumenical councils. But I would rather, I would say read 215 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:14.879 volume one and two of Pelicon set over that. That's 216 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:18.879 that would be more relevant to getting a full picture 217 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:22.279 of the first thousand years of Christianity. And those are 218 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.279 really good one and two. I mean they're using seminaries, 219 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:27.759 so they're good. I don't know about one single book 220 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:31.399 just on ecumenical councils, but there could be one that. 221 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.759 I mean, I just heard about this Saint Nactorio's book 222 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:38.120 on the Schism. I don't even know that existed until 223 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.440 Pano told me to get it the other day. So 224 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:43.600 there are probably there could be one that I'm just 225 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:53.399 not even aware of. Mitch, what's up again, Evangelicals? You 226 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:57.879 need to ask for the intercession of Saint Dunning Krueger. 227 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:00.440 What's up, hey, Jay? 228 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:05.720 So formal former evangelical pasture here. So do you finally 229 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:07.159 have an evangelical calling. 230 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:15.639 Former former to what? Former to what? Non former and 231 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:21.320 former and now what now an inquiry? Okay? 232 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:21.919 Yeah? 233 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:23.120 Yeah, So. 234 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.720 So we had our former or I guess now former 235 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:30.480 pastor of this non teenon church. 236 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:39.879 Are you there? By the way, I'm shake even dire now. 237 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:45.279 Lewis exposed me a long time ago that I made 238 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:55.440 my hojj to Mecca and I am now called Uh 239 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:02.080 it been dire, shake it been ire. We lost you dude, 240 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:10.400 come back in, Anthony, what's up? David Wood has exposed 241 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:13.519 me as a Muslim sympathizer because I said his critique 242 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.519 one guy's critique was correct. So that obviously that means 243 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:20.720 I work with Islam. Now that's how stupid this is. 244 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:26.759 But it's also it's telling too how what low view, 245 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:29.839 what lack of respect David Wood has for his own 246 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:34.240 own audience. Right that his response is to say that 247 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:38.319 if I dared to say Jay dawat right, I'm not 248 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:42.960 Jay Dire, I'm Jay Dawa bro du ja one one 249 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:49.440 one go to one. What's up? Anthony? Okay? I thought 250 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:52.599 you were going to talk dog. Are you there? Can't 251 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:53.480 hear me? Yeah, what's up. 252 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:59.319 So I was curious. It's off topics, so you just 253 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:01.920 give me if you want to. When you were talking 254 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.240 about Tajo as a great discussion, I know you didn't 255 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.640 elaborate at the time because it wouldn't really be appropriate. 256 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:10.799 But when you said, because I'm debating with one of 257 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:14.839 my Roman Catholic friends, when you were saying it's better 258 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:20.759 to not attend the Roman Catholic Church than attended, can 259 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:22.559 you elaborate on that? Do you remember that part? 260 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:26.720 I think it was at the end of the conversation 261 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:32.160 and he had a more liberal attitude about that question. 262 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.960 I think that, as you saw from the canons earlier, 263 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:38.400 Orthodox are not allowed to participate in the liturgical worship 264 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:42.440 of heretics and schismatics. So we saw that if you 265 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:44.359 go back to the first hour, we went through the 266 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:47.720 Canons of Leo Deicilla, we went through the Canons of Gangra, 267 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:51.680 we went through the Canons of Nicea one, we went 268 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.799 through the Canons of Constantinople one, and you can immediately 269 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:57.599 in the canon Apostolic canons, you can see right away 270 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:02.839 there's strict limitations on what it means to be heretic 271 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:05.680 and schismatic and it's determined canonically, and this is what 272 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:08.880 Protestants don't understand. And in fact, we made the argument 273 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:12.359 that we can disprove Protestantism just by the canons, because 274 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.559 the canons show us that the Church is viewing itself 275 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:19.160 as able to lay down Church law, which is what 276 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:29.799 delineates the boundaries of heretic and schismatic. So unfortunately, Rome 277 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:33.799 departed from the faith a long time ago, and they 278 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:36.720 have all kinds of crazy innovations now post Vatican Two. 279 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:39.039 I mean, it would be one thing if we were 280 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:42.559 talking about, you know, the Tridentine Latin Mass, because even 281 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:44.720 though I don't agree with any of that, at that 282 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:53.200 time it was what purgatory created, grace works of super 283 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:58.839 irrigation Philly oakuayh right. I mean at the time of Trent, 284 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:01.440 it would be like maybe ten things that were like 285 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:06.720 major issues. Well, post Vatican two, we're in a totally 286 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:12.480 different world, dude. We're in like Novasorto gay uh clown 287 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:15.240 mass where the priests baptized people into the land to 288 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:17.680 see in the air. I'm not joking. There's actually Novasorto 289 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:20.200 priests that do that, and they use cookies for the 290 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:25.559 Eucharist I'm not kidding clown masses, cookie yu. I mean, 291 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:29.680 so we're we're way That's why we can't say anymore. 292 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:34.319 You know, this is not a Pope Pious, the Fifth 293 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:40.279 Tridenteene Church anymore. That's gone, that's long gone. I mean 294 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:42.880 that is kind of there amongst the SSP actually the 295 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:46.000 set of a concert. But even that was way off 296 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:49.680 off kilter. Well, how are we gonna say, oh, well, yeah, 297 00:20:49.759 --> 00:20:51.920 you can just go to the you know, gay guitar 298 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:57.680 mass with the clown the clown mass and the dorrito Eucharist. 299 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:04.400 I mean, it's so far and by the way, you're 300 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:10.559 just picking extremes. Well, it's actually not that extreme, because 301 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:15.759 this is pretty widespread in Rome, especially in certain areas, 302 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:22.920 right like Dutch areas, German areas, Cardinal Marxist areas, a 303 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:27.000 lot of the American Catholic Church, a lot of those areas, 304 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:36.599 they're the worst. Women alter servers, letting women give sermons, basically, 305 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:40.359 let women run everything. That's the norm in a lot 306 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:45.759 of Roman Catholic American Western parishes. And what do we 307 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:48.240 just see in the canons. Women are not allowed on 308 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.440 the altar, women are not to be Presbyteria or preachers 309 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.759 in the church. Did you remember those canons? We just 310 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:04.400 read Gangra Leodicea an hour ago so now, and I'm 311 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:07.039 not trying to be mean to that guy, but he 312 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:09.279 might not have seen the first hour. In the first hour, 313 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:11.279 all we did was look at canons and how the 314 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.039 canons disproved Protestantism because it shows us the mindset of 315 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:19.400 the church in synod and that Trump's individuals. This is 316 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:23.960 what they cannot fathom. Just like the Papists. They say, 317 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:26.640 I'll just cite Jerome, I'll just site Augustine, I'll just 318 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:30.839 cite this dude. Well, wouldn't canon law trump one dude, 319 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:34.559 since it's the mindset of all of the church generally speaking. 320 00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:37.119 Well, look, Kita Loved not infallible. 321 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:39.400 It's not a question of infallible or not. Your bishop's 322 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:43.240 not infallible. That doesn't mean he's not an authority. Remember 323 00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:45.279 we had a guy calling last night. He said the 324 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.200 same thing, Why would I submit to the bishop but 325 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.720 the bishop is infallible. Well, infallibility is not a criteria 326 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:55.599 of authority. And that's when we met the same argument 327 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:59.799 about the Old Testament, the priests and the Levites and 328 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:03.079 the Synagogue teachers. They were not infallible, but they still 329 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:04.720 had authority. Even in the Old Testament, they were the 330 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:09.960 normative authorities. So infallibility is not the essential criteria for authority. 331 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:11.880 And this is why the Protestants always lose their mind 332 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:16.759 about this. They cannot conceive of an authority that isn't 333 00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:19.799 quote infallible, even though they they'll turn around a lot 334 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:22.240 of the classical reformer people will say, well, we believe 335 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:26.599 our Presbyterian Synod has authority. Yeah, okay, so you admit 336 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:30.240 the point then that having authority is not essentially bound 337 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:41.240 up with infallibility. And it turns out this is breaking 338 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:45.519 news as well. Let's see what Lord Boldemort is saying. 339 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:57.359 The roommant is that Daily Wires about to close. Whoa 340 00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:00.599 another small victory. See what he says. 341 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:03.200 A year ago they laid off thirty percent of employees. 342 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:05.640 Last week they laid off the other thifty percent. Somebody, 343 00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:07.440 they have twenty five percent of employees they had a 344 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:11.160 year ago. And it's all because Ben Shapiro is a 345 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:15.240 known front for the Israeli government. Massive funding. That's all 346 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:17.039 they push, and people are sick and tired of it. 347 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:21.200 But here's the bigger story. But nobody's covering the collapse 348 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:24.519 the Daily Wire and all other neocon ratings like Mark 349 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:26.000 Levin on Fox almost no viewers. 350 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:27.240 Lowest ratings on Fox. 351 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:31.440 Is emblematic of the collapse in major polling for President Trump. 352 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:37.400 Now, I'm mainly interested in the Daily Wire point of this. 353 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:44.279 Why because Daily Wire is an outlet for evangelical Zionism. 354 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:52.200 Because the funders, those Texas billionaire funders are aryan Messianic 355 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:54.759 cult leaders. They're in the area. I forget the name 356 00:24:54.799 --> 00:25:00.759 of those billionaire whatever brothers. That's the money behind Daily Wire, 357 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:07.079 and I'm happy to see that that heresy outlet is 358 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:11.680 going under good. Their shit sucked anyway. I mean, if 359 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:14.680 you ever watched Bench one day for fun, I watched 360 00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:16.799 like forty minutes of Ben Shapiro just to see what 361 00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:19.799 he even does. Dude, the show is so boring. All 362 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:21.960 he does is play a clip and then tell you 363 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:24.960 what he just saw on the clip. It's not even 364 00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:29.000 as like Arnold Schwarzenegger is entertaining on the DVD commentaries 365 00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:31.599 because he will tell you what happened in the clip. 366 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:33.599 But he's funny as hell because he's retarded and he's 367 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:35.680 drunk when he's doing the DVD commentaries. You don't even 368 00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:37.359 get that with Ben Shapiro. It's just yeah, we just 369 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:39.880 watched a clip and the transgenders and why are the 370 00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:42.000 transgender transgender's going against fax lodging. 371 00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:44.160 So we just watched a clip where two transgenders are 372 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:44.680 saying that thumb. 373 00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:46.640 It's like, yeah, I saw the clip, dude, I don't 374 00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:49.880 need a Wikipedia summary an AI summary of the clip. 375 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:50.720 We just watched it. 376 00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:56.279 So, I mean, Arnold Schwarzenegger is more entertaining than Ben Shapiro. 377 00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:01.759 Luc Yeah that I was talking to the guy and 378 00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:05.279 this is the bad guy, and we decided to stop 379 00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:08.519 the guy to do lack pew of Paco with the 380 00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:09.119 good guys. 381 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.279 But then we tried to fight the bad guy. Yeah, 382 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:13.559 we know that you're the good guy, Arnold. Everybody has 383 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:15.680 seen your movies. Thank you for giving us a play 384 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:18.640 by place, like, remember we were watching this clib they're 385 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:20.759 not We're all die laughing at because people didn't believe me. 386 00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:25.559 They were like, no, there's no hilarious retarded Schwarzenegger commentaries. Yes, 387 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:27.319 there are. There's a bunch. They're actually really funny. You 388 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:31.160 should watch them. That's the same thing that Ben Shapiro does. 389 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.240 He just watches a clip and tells you what was 390 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.000 in the clip. It's like, dude, what this is? What 391 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:41.200 they poured like hundreds of millions of dollars into White mountains? 392 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:41.559 What's up? 393 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:46.240 Hello, jay? 394 00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:46.880 Yo? 395 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:49.039 Yeah? 396 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:49.400 Question? 397 00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:52.319 Uh So it's more of a I guess I want 398 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:54.720 your opinion on something. So I called in a while 399 00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:57.480 ago about the parish that we're attending. 400 00:26:57.519 --> 00:26:58.519 We just go watch so. 401 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:05.799 They actually turns out teach ecumenicalism. So I've been looking 402 00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:08.599 at the other church in our area, but I was 403 00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:12.000 like looking at their Facebook, and they do events a 404 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:14.680 Masonic lodge, So I'm kind of just like what the 405 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:15.119 hell like. 406 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:16.599 Like what do you think? 407 00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:16.799 Like? 408 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:22.519 But sometimes sometimes Masonic lodges are like the only venue 409 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:24.720 that you can rent in a small place or somewhere, 410 00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:27.920 so that might not mean that they're necessarily Masonic. On 411 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:30.519 the down low, I would just go like go talk 412 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:34.039 to them and be like, are y'all pro masonry? Are 413 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:35.319 you pro skittles? Are you? 414 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:35.559 Like? 415 00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:37.400 Just be upfront. 416 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:40.839 Okay, I got another question too, if it's okay. 417 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:41.279 Sure. 418 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.119 So I grew up, like I guess, non denominational, and 419 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:50.920 so you know, obviously all the stupidity. 420 00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:51.599 About like the rapture and whatever. 421 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:54.119 So I guess my question. 422 00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:56.759 I was doing like some research, but I don't know. 423 00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:58.920 I'm super new, so sometimes it's kind of hard for 424 00:27:59.000 --> 00:27:59.599 me to understand. 425 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:04.000 So when in the Orthodox Church, when we say. 426 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:08.160 That Christ is coming back, what does that like look like? 427 00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:09.039 You know what I mean? 428 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.839 Because obviously in the Church we don't believe in like 429 00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:16.440 prea tribulation or whatever. So like I guess in a nutshell, 430 00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:18.319 or if you could point me to you know, there's 431 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:20.039 a great I can. 432 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:24.319 Well, there's a great little uh booklet from Jordanville Monastery. 433 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:29.599 It's called Apostasy and Antichrist. But I don't know if 434 00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:33.880 it's in print because it kind of goes in and 435 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:45.160 out of print. I cannot see in these glasses. And 436 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:49.119 since it's out of print, somebody there's a couple channels 437 00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:51.920 that have done audio versions of the whole little book. 438 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:53.559 It's I got sixty page booklet. By the way, it 439 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:56.319 has partial preterism in it, so you could go to 440 00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:58.279 I don't know what this is. I'm not advocating for 441 00:28:58.359 --> 00:28:59.720 this website because I don't know who it is or 442 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:00.279 what they're doing. 443 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:08.920 But God living in Holy Trinity being. 444 00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:12.319 So this little booklet is right here online and you 445 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:14.480 can listen to the audio right there, and it gives 446 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:20.279 basically just a bunch of quotations from church fathers and 447 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:22.839 saints and elders and what un orthodox church and bishops 448 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.599 giving the overall outline. So it begins with preterism and 449 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:29.559 saying that seventy a d is the immediate context of 450 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.880 Matthew twenty four, twenty one, et cetera. And that's a 451 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:38.200 microcosm of the last days. So some of the signs 452 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:40.480 of the end of the world from the Orthodox perspective 453 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:47.960 would be mass apostasy in the church, attempting to ban 454 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:55.039 the Divine liturgy obviously antichrist figure conversion of the Jews 455 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.160 is another one that's listed very clearly. All of those 456 00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:00.960 are some of the key elements, as well as the 457 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:04.839 attempt to rebuild a third temple. When you see those things, 458 00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:10.839 that's pretty much the universal indicators amongst the fathers that Okay, 459 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:13.920 this is looking like it really is the end. I'm 460 00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:17.920 not dissing the prophecy Bros. I mean, I just don't 461 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.440 study all the elder Saint prophecies. I'm not against them. 462 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:25.359 It's just not it's not my domain. I try to 463 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:30.880 stick with more of the patristic and biblical approach. But 464 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:33.839 that doesn't mean I'm dissing Conrad or Cotel or any 465 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.000 of those people. It's just not a domain of so 466 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:39.200 much time. And so that's that's a great thing about 467 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:42.720 what we do in Orthodoxy. Like there's different gifts. Not 468 00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:47.880 everybody has to be an aggressive debater. Not everybody has 469 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:53.359 to be pago icon carver, symbology person. Right, there's places 470 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.279 for everybody with their unique skills and gifts. 471 00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:02.519 Not everybody has to be a debater, Mando, ask philosophy bro. 472 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:11.599 Not everybody has to be professor deacon logic. I'm trying 473 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:14.440 to think of other uh. I mean, how does Paul 474 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:15.519 describe the gifts? 475 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:15.720 Right? 476 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:19.680 They're they're all apportioned for different functions, right, And the 477 00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:23.240 eye can't say I don't need you hand. Right, the 478 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.319 hand can't say I don't need you eyes because they 479 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:29.680 all work together. So, you know, we need people debating politics. 480 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:32.359 You know, Andrew's really good at that. We need people 481 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:37.759 debating feminism. Rachel's great at that. We need people debating logic. Father, 482 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.319 I wish father Deacon would do more debates. You're you're, 483 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:46.319 you would be the best cool calm debater if we 484 00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:48.359 could get you to do more debates. Well, if I 485 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:54.400 get paid, somebody pay me. Okay, that's actually all right. 486 00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:59.079 Well I saw there was a comedian, Eric Spears was 487 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.240 bitching that he hates doing podcasts because they won't pay him. 488 00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:04.680 And then it was like he was asking for like 489 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:06.960 five thousand dollars for every appearance. It's like, dude, you're 490 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.720 not that popular anymore. It's like five thousand dollars or 491 00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.839 I'm so crazy about this. So, yeah, you have a 492 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:16.839 you should have every syllogism. I get five. Yeah, I 493 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:20.359 have a minimum of, Like I get paid persillogism in 494 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.640 a debate, so I expect, you know, at least one 495 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:25.240 bitcoin persilogism in a debate. 496 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:27.839 You know, I'm kind of joking, but I'm serious, Like 497 00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:30.799 I'm just grading right now while I'm doing this. 498 00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:32.240 Two and forty. 499 00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:37.720 Essays have eight classes. I serve two parishes. Oh, I 500 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:38.319 have a wife. 501 00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.839 I actually have a life, but do you know what 502 00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:45.119 I mean? Like that stuff other than my wife I 503 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.119 get paid for. So it's like I have to take 504 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.000 time for like everybody just wants you to do free stuff. 505 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:56.640 It's like, I like debates, but it's got to be 506 00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:57.319 worth your wife. 507 00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.400 I've never even thought about targeting. 508 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.640 Debates of somebody because it's not worth your while. And 509 00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.799 I don't necessarily mean even moluntarily, but no. 510 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.480 This is something that a lot of like Internet gebers 511 00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:12.279 and randos don't understand that not every person is worth 512 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:16.799 a debate, And then everybody on the Internet thinks, no, 513 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.880 you have to debate and respond to every single person. Well, dude, 514 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.599 I'm the only one out here in this sphere of 515 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:28.000 apologetics who literally does the open calls where anyone can debate. 516 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.319 So I'm like, nobody else will do that as far 517 00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:33.720 as I'm aware. Now, please kind of does it. Alex 518 00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:37.160 will do it. But I'm saying, like none of these 519 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.680 other people, Trent Horne won't do open forums to talk 520 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:44.240 to all y'all, Gavin Orland, as far as I'm ware, 521 00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.200 he done do open forums where he lets anybody call 522 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:51.079 in and challenge what We're not scared like, we don't go. 523 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:55.359 I'm not worried about anybody calling in and bringing their challenges. 524 00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:59.279 Oh but you block everybody, You block everybody. No, I 525 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.680 block the pe people that talk smack and won't debate. 526 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:07.240 That's very different from just blocking everybody. I block the 527 00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.800 people that talk smack, and then when I say come 528 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.239 on the stream, here's the link, call in next time, 529 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:20.320 they always like for no reason. Yeahs blocked for no reason. 530 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:26.000 Cop just pulled me over for no reason. I didn't 531 00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:34.960 do nothing. I didn't do nothing, man, Yeah, I just yeah, oh, no, 532 00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.400 one got blocked. I just went into the discord and 533 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:39.320 made death threats. I don't know what it blogged me. 534 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:44.760 That's a joke with the guy that was saying that 535 00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:48.480 about me. Aquan note, can I join the call? Uh? 536 00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.360 That was yesterday? Yes, Cyril says for five dollars, Ortho Bros. 537 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:57.559 Converted me out of the fake Orthodox Presbyterian Church. Hey man, 538 00:34:57.920 --> 00:34:59.920 there we go, Corbin, twenty dollars. What do you think 539 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.280 Andrew would and David Wood debating. I think it's funny 540 00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.440 and it just shows that David Wood will debate about 541 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:12.199 me but won't debate me. So he'll debate. Isn't that weird? Yeah, 542 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.239 he'll debate Andrew on whether or not it's bad to 543 00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:20.599 say to that random Muslim dude that, yeah, you were correct. 544 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.480 In your criticism of God logic, Oh, he's. 545 00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:25.199 A Muslim collaborator. 546 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:30.599 Now, dude, that's the leftist logic, right, that's like Russian collusion, 547 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:38.320 collusion logic. Two dollars gas, Papa, Well, two dollars ain't 548 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:40.320 going to get me foreign gas. But thank you, Burning Bush. 549 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:42.239 Ten dollars do I want to apologize. I used to 550 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.079 critique your demeanor. I let that obfuscate the bigger picture, 551 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:49.239 which is that these prop liberal channels are actually not 552 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.599 acting a good faith crisis. Thank you. Yeah, I think again, 553 00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:56.880 And FDA knows this. I'm sure everybody in the debate 554 00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:59.880 spirit Rachel Andrew, we've all experienced this. A lot of 555 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:03.360 people that you interact with put on a good face 556 00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:08.360 and they are very nice on their streams or publicly 557 00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:12.039 or whatever. In the background, so many people in media 558 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:17.119 are just absolutely backstabbing snakes. Man. They're just no morals, 559 00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:18.840 no qualm. They will they will stab you in the 560 00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:19.840 back in an arty. 561 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:26.239 Luckily, thank god, I rightly know how to interpret faces. 562 00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:30.920 So yes, father Deacon has a degree from FBI University 563 00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:36.239 in facial physiognomy recognition. Well, it's crazy. 564 00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:38.880 So we just finished up on office hours. 565 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:41.400 We were doing. You were on Tim Hideaker's show What 566 00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:42.199 I'm Jordan. 567 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.360 We did it to the last two office hours with 568 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:46.679 the seminary with Jordanville. 569 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.679 We were doing the David and adject debate and we're 570 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.920 going through Calconon and Ephesus and these things. 571 00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.840 And I didn't even think about this. I first got 572 00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:02.199 the idea when I was doing Logic Classic Carol. 573 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:08.480 We're doing a debate with Alex O'Connor and that Richard Swinburne, and. 574 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:12.840 I was like, well, Alex Connor has the fallacy of 575 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.719 like gay man leg crossing. 576 00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:20.360 I'm like, I don't know why, it's like honed into 577 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:23.000 those details, but I'm like, I don't think any man 578 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:26.400 should you know what I'm talking about, do the kind 579 00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:27.960 of like crossover leg. 580 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.039 Yeah, we all know what that is. 581 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.440 You can do a right angle where you. 582 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:38.039 Can do your your feet behind kind of tucked in, 583 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:40.719 and I'm like, it looks gay and effeminine. 584 00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:42.880 I don't know. I like your new approach, right, So 585 00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:44.639 we're not even gonna just do we won't, we won't. 586 00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:46.719 We won't even do debates anymore. We'll just do a 587 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:49.079 physiognomy check. And that's that's what I've. 588 00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:54.360 Been doing, and so I was like, let's do the agents. 589 00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.519 And I'm like, because you can, and. 590 00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.599 You can always do that, but you can tell a 591 00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:06.239 lot by it, how squirrely and the weird kind of mannerisms, 592 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:06.719 and I'm. 593 00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:13.840 Like, shifty eyes swallowing a lot candled still, and I'm like, anyways, 594 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.280 I think that's kind of a new thing that we 595 00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:19.159 should do in And now it'sis of debate. 596 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.679 What do you think? I like it? By the way, 597 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.239 notice this was pretty funny. I forgot this. I forgot 598 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:28.320 to mention that yesterday David Wood was playing the race card. 599 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.440 This is so pathetic, uh so, because I called out 600 00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:38.599 Avery pushing people to a synagogue to judaize them, and 601 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:42.440 David Wood's response was, oh, Jay Dyer calls out the 602 00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:47.320 black apologist, so he's I mean, this is so low 603 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:49.960 tier trying to pull the race card because I called 604 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.239 out I didn't call out Avery for anything racial. And 605 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:55.760 then I just said, well, I'm BYPOC. Which was a 606 00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:59.039 massive ratio for David Wood because David David and I 607 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:02.320 did this because David would loves bragging about ratios when 608 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.840 he got ratio not once but twice. When I asked him, 609 00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.800 if you want to set up a formal debate, and uh, 610 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:12.440 of course no, he won't do it. So now, if 611 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:16.079 you support Zionism like Red Vaughn and his weird fetish, 612 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.480 you're all good. And if you send people to the 613 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:23.559 synagogues for church, you're all good. Actually, it wasn't even 614 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:28.400 synagogue for church. It was online zoom call discipling with 615 00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:32.400 a fake Mexican rabbi. You can't make this up, dude. 616 00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:33.840 That's the real church though. 617 00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:35.519 What balls? 618 00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:45.599 What's the Mexican term for balls for testicles? Abrolh, my 619 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:50.360 name is, My name is Rabbis. 620 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:51.320 Abril. 621 00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.320 Bring her Tomali's to Rabbi Wabos church. 622 00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:59.480 It's also a synagogue. To Bro, it operates as uh, 623 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.639 it's a it's a food truck. It's a food truck 624 00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.800 church that operates as a bank and ATM. 625 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:13.840 And Bro check it out like you go totally. 626 00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:17.440 You can totally exchange your goal for paesils or whatever. Bro. 627 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:19.000 You need to go under some money to. 628 00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:21.880 Homie. 629 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:23.719 You need to line her a little bit of cash 630 00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:24.400 or whatever. 631 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:26.239 Away. 632 00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:30.400 Come to Saint Tomali's food truck on the corner of 633 00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:31.920 Wilson Avenue. 634 00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:40.480 That makes a good skin We should we should make 635 00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:42.159 these sketch sketches. 636 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:42.360 You know what. 637 00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:44.639 Yeah, that'd be well, it'd be a perfect skit to 638 00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:49.920 get your canceled from Adult swim. So that's the that's 639 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:54.639 the skit they got Sam canceled from Adult skin Swima. 640 00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:57.360 By the way, I forgot shout out to dire Wire, 641 00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:59.639 one of the one of those newer Eclipse channels. They 642 00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:06.559 made this. Uh an awesome little hipster stump clap crench core. 643 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.760 There's a new hipster stomp clap crench core. Let's play 644 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:16.840 real quick. Gaye space brother, gay space brother. Won't you 645 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:22.360 come down from my bone high? Gaze pace brother, gaze 646 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:26.719 bace brother. Won't you come down from my bone high 647 00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:33.039 and touch my cheese, touch my gluteswone high, touch my 648 00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:34.880 glues thone. 649 00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:38.039 High in the sky Eesebee's brother. 650 00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:42.119 Won't you come down? Slap in cheese? 651 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.119 Can I get up slap on the cheek? 652 00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:48.159 Yeah, I can't kind of get up slap from the 653 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:54.119 butt check chez face brother. He's gonna come down and 654 00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:58.079 find you cuz he's face brother. 655 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:06.079 Down the said space brother, You're gonna reading you're into 656 00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:08.719 your gage space brother. 657 00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:10.880 You want to clap them cheeks like. 658 00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:21.239 Anthony was up gay space brother going to clap them 659 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:27.679 cheeks from up on high waves. Right, I got, but 660 00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:36.159 they use waves, eggs, Rabbi, eggs. Okay, Anthony, what's up, dude? 661 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:41.280 Yes, no, I just got two points since you have 662 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:44.079 father deacon here, two questions. 663 00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.119 One of them, uh, the. 664 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:51.360 Would you say that the Roman Catholics with when they 665 00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:58.519 have masks, are they participating in the eternal heavenly liturgy? No? 666 00:42:58.920 --> 00:42:59.840 No, absolutely not. 667 00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:02.920 If we talk about lyric. 668 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:07.880 Yes, sorry, well we speak about liturgy is patterned off 669 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:08.880 the worship in heaven. 670 00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.519 So if you have a different pattern, how could it 671 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:17.440 be partation in the liturgy and heaven? Gotcha? 672 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:20.599 And I'm sorry, I'm ignorant, and you know the Roman 673 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.559 Catholic however they worship, but. 674 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:25.639 It is. 675 00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:27.519 Can you give me like a point or two about 676 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:31.639 like the main difference besides obviously you know, I know 677 00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:34.519 there's no essence energy distinction. 678 00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:38.400 And dude, I got to keep in mind, Anthony, I'm 679 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.320 not trying to be mean, but like the modern Romeancaolic Church, 680 00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:46.400 most of them quote masses, they're worst or equal to 681 00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:52.800 Anglican services. They're they're basically just Protestant Services. PJ. What's up, man, 682 00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:57.119 I wasn't laughing at you, by the way, I was 683 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:02.199 laughing at the waivos calling them Rabbi X instead of rabbis. 684 00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:07.199 It's way better. It's actually, yeah, Rabbi X is funny. 685 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.480 What's up man, PJ. Pajamas, what's up? 686 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:10.880 Hey? 687 00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.840 Can you hear me? Hey? Bro? I can hear you, dude? 688 00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:21.599 You think I can't spot a toller within like two seconds? Bro? Totally? 689 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:25.719 I know you guys like like you guys are my people. 690 00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:27.880 Bro, even though I'm by polk, I can tell you 691 00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.840 guys can spout you guys from a mile away. Bro, Yeah, 692 00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:32.199 you're funny. 693 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:36.480 Get I'm sorry, Let get to Let me get to 694 00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:43.039 the question about the ecumunism in in the evangelical spaces. 695 00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.559 Have you noticed that these people you are using mean 696 00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:47.639 girls tactics too? 697 00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.880 Yes? Yeah, absolutely. In fact, I noticed that, I said 698 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:56.960 today right here. Look now, listen, I said, the e 699 00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:02.079 e apologists are just like the e thoughts on the internet. 700 00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:12.000 I said it right here, dude, No, but you're right 701 00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:13.480 being seen that a lot. 702 00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:15.800 They don't mention you by name. They're afraid to mention 703 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.679 you by name. They make this passive aggressive remarks. 704 00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:21.880 Yeah, totally clearly talking about you. But they don't want 705 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.960 to see it. It's like it's literally high school drama 706 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:28.039 all over again. Yes, the people, they're giant vaginas. They 707 00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:33.480 look right here, I said today, right here. Look, the 708 00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:39.079 ecumenical evangelical anti Islamiti Grift Crowd are the exact mirror 709 00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:44.119 of the e thought egir ol Grift Crowd. It's exact same, man. 710 00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:45.880 Because I'm noticing that. 711 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:48.880 I'm sorry, I'm sorry to come back here. I thought 712 00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:50.760 you were I thought you were done. Go ahead, PJ, 713 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.039 come back, Peter Adam mean, I thought you were finished 714 00:45:56.039 --> 00:46:01.079 and I hit the button too quick. Come back if 715 00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:05.840 you want to, PJ. Sorry about that. Chase huh, Oh 716 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:06.840 my gosh. Now what. 717 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:12.039 Yo? 718 00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:12.760 What's up girl? 719 00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:14.360 What's up? A little Tristan? 720 00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:22.079 That's not funny. Yeah, it's this whole thing is fascinating 721 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:22.320 in it. 722 00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:26.440 What I think is going on, and I've been been 723 00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:28.800 able to watch the most of your stream today, what 724 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.239 I think's happening is these people, they are doing these 725 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:36.519 insane tactics, like David Wood saying, somehow you are allying 726 00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:40.440 with Muslims when you just agreed with them, with one 727 00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.119 Muslim saying yeah, they're not interested in about what's true. 728 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.000 Their entire brand is just anti Islam. 729 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:47.400 Yeah. 730 00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:51.719 I think the reason that they're doing it is because 731 00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:56.559 they know they can't actually defend Protestantism. And if they 732 00:46:56.719 --> 00:47:01.599 character assassinate you, and they character assassinating Orthodox doing apologetics 733 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.960 that aren't a humanists, you know, doing actual apologetics to say, hey, 734 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:08.719 whatever system you believe in, whatever world do you have, 735 00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:12.400 come in and join the church. This is an easy 736 00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:16.519 way to just discredit you and discredit Orthodoxy. And they 737 00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:20.719 play this game of oh, you're the poll, the pole diar, 738 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.360 you know, all this like silly stuff. 739 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:23.199 I was. 740 00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:27.119 I was baptized and received by a cradle Romanian serving 741 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:32.559 under the Greeks who agreed with everything theologically that he 742 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:35.360 would ask me to help with, you know, obviously Sunday School. 743 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:35.639 And stuff like that. 744 00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.679 But this is this is the point, is that they 745 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:42.159 are using this just to try to stop Orthodox apologetics 746 00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:42.599 in general. 747 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:44.639 That's what they want. That's why they ally with people 748 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:46.719 like schismatics. 749 00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:49.079 And I try to talk to John Claypool and I 750 00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:51.199 wanted to ask him what bishop he's in communion with, 751 00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.840 to show these dummies like the JPN cut Dude, this. 752 00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:56.880 Is a schismatic but they're not interested in it. 753 00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:59.239 And just stopping the conversation. 754 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:06.760 Correct, not John Claypool, Nick, you're right, father, And. 755 00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:11.639 Well I got a little question for you, Chase, because 756 00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:17.719 I noticed the name Haggard is suspecially suspiciously similar to Hagar. 757 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:21.519 Are you in collusion with Muslims? Yes? 758 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.559 And I actually I was at the grocery store the 759 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:26.920 other day and I saw I saw a Muslim and 760 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:32.840 they also picked up picked up milk. I enjoy drinking 761 00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:33.360 milk with my. 762 00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:37.599 Co dog whistle. Muslim dog whistle. You're drinking milk just 763 00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:42.199 like the Muslims is lomic dog whistles right there. Yep. 764 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:43.840 But what do you think about that? 765 00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:47.239 Like I it seems to me that this and on 766 00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:49.360 the whole like Ortho broth, in which they can't ever 767 00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.039 define ever, or it's so loosely defined. 768 00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:53.920 It's anybody that's Orthodox that's hold. 769 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.639 Now you know what? You know what Cleave actually figured 770 00:48:57.639 --> 00:48:59.639 that out. He made a great point of mego. He said, 771 00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:03.280 the re that they're attacking orthobros is because they don't 772 00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:07.920 have the k to attack Orthodoxy, so they act like oh, 773 00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:09.920 we still want to be friends with all the Orthodox people. 774 00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:13.760 It's just the evil Ortho bros. When Ortho Bros are basically, 775 00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.760 whether you like them or not, they're just stating Orthodox theology. 776 00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:19.920 Exactly, and then they'll try to use these nebulous things, 777 00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:23.199 like when I tried to ask John Claypole and JP 778 00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:26.519 and that that weird moler dude who was just screaming 779 00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:28.599 at me the entire time when I called into their show. 780 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:33.159 It's very strange. When I tried to ask them, John. 781 00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:34.679 Said, He's like, oh, they're racist, and I was about 782 00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:36.880 to say, I'm not racist, so I'm not an orthobro, 783 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:40.320 and then they they they just they want to stop. 784 00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.320 The conversations about actual dogma. 785 00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:46.559 That's what they want us. That's what David Wood did. 786 00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:50.079 David would try and imply that I called out god 787 00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:53.280 logic because I'm racist. It's like, where do you like 788 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:54.199 that's so retarded? 789 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:59.519 Yeah, yeah, thousands, like does that even work? 790 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.239 It doesn't ey work. They're so behind that they're using 791 00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:07.159 the tactics of like twenty ten Democrats. Dude, what's up 792 00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:09.760 a PJ bro? What else did you want to say? Dude? 793 00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:12.280 Yeah, it is. 794 00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:14.559 About what they're thinking of it. 795 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.880 As was talking about, I noticed that these guys are 796 00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:18.320 also favorite prof feminists. 797 00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:21.719 Yep. They rarely cut it out, and because of that, they. 798 00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:23.920 Use the exact same tactics of the feminists to use 799 00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:28.920 to detect to discredit somebody against other people because they're 800 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:33.280 like so passive, aggressive, and they can they're so incapable 801 00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:37.239 of actually like confrontation. Yes, it's kind of yeah, that's 802 00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:37.440 why I. 803 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:39.159 Have to say. No, that's exactly what it is. You 804 00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:41.800 hit the nail on the head, everybody. It's all. It's 805 00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:46.360 not the theology, it's none of that. It's first and foremost, 806 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:52.000 it's a bunch of feminized whissies, dude, That's all it is. 807 00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:59.440 And then the rest of it's all smoking mirrors. Sam, 808 00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.480 what's up, Sam? Shamou? What's up? 809 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:04.719 You? 810 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:06.960 Son of the devil? Are you doing Muto with the 811 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:15.599 Shia tonight? Is your mother doing Muto with the shia tonight? You, 812 00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:16.199 son of the devil? 813 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:17.800 Oh? 814 00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:21.760 No, Muto, No homes that's bade, that's bad for you. 815 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:22.119 No. 816 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.440 I am over here at Papa Pios Taco truck over 817 00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:29.559 here at Papa Pios oneas not Chez from the West coast. 818 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.760 Homes, uh for two for one. 819 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:35.320 I served the Yukaristia on flatbread to you, homes. 820 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:37.039 Okay, you know that the real. 821 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.440 Yucaristia because it's flat, the tortilla Yukaristia. 822 00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:43.639 That's how you know it's real. Homes in the full 823 00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:44.840 spirit of acumenism. 824 00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:49.880 And go over to my cousins, you know uhes you 825 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:50.360 go over. 826 00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.000 The Rabbi Colonez, He'll serve you with the flatbred himself. 827 00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:57.000 It's Yukaristia and it's a human isma. I got the 828 00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:58.880 blessing from the Pope himself, Homes. 829 00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:02.480 Actually, I appreciate it if the Pope would bless that. Actually, 830 00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:04.320 that would be fully in line with the humanism. 831 00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:04.599 Is that? 832 00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:11.000 What's up? Dude? Gay space brother harsh word says for 833 00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:14.079 forty weird currencies. I used to think that Jay and 834 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:17.920 David would were the same person. Shit, dude, let me 835 00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:24.960 prove you false. Could David would look like this, watch this, 836 00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:30.599 I'm gonna blow your minds or her talking about effeminacy 837 00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:39.880 and divas. Could David would look like that? Nope? Could 838 00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:45.280 God logic look like that? Nope? So no, I'm not 839 00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:46.639 the same as any of those people. 840 00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:47.000 Is that? 841 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.840 What's up you can hear me. 842 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:53.880 Uh yeah, So a big fan. 843 00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:57.000 Just called because I was wondering if I could take 844 00:52:57.039 --> 00:52:58.639 the freemason position real quick. 845 00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:01.440 You're not serious, is no? 846 00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:02.079 I'm serious? 847 00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:05.840 You're are you debating to debate? Are you really amazing? 848 00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:07.840 No, I'm not amazing. 849 00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:11.000 I'm just have one point one of your arguments that 850 00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:16.039 you used in the debate with Yeah, So it seems 851 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:18.480 like one of the main things you pointed out was 852 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:22.159 like the fact that they would not allow someone like 853 00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.119 a Satanist to join their their group, or you know, 854 00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.000 you had to believe in one God or you have 855 00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:28.800 to have you have to believe in a religion that 856 00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:32.119 believes in one God to join, right, And so you 857 00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:34.679 were using that to say that it entails you that 858 00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:39.079 you're pointing out a generic theism or generic theism or whatever. 859 00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:43.800 And I don't see why that necessarily entails that. Why 860 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:47.440 couldn't it just be we'd rather believe in a religion 861 00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:49.440 that believes in one God because chances are, you know, 862 00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:51.800 you're going to be a Christian, art you or a Muslim, 863 00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:55.079 and generally these people are okay, But like a Satanist, Dad, 864 00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:57.440 that's kind of like queer first. 865 00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:01.880 Of all the culturally hold on. The argument was intended 866 00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:06.079 to show first that they don't just have one dogma 867 00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:10.079 of believing in monotheism. You also have to qualify that 868 00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.119 by all of these things that are excluded. That was 869 00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:17.679 the first point, to show that it's not actually one dogma, 870 00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:22.360 it's mini dogmas. The second point is they actually dogmatize 871 00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:26.639 that the God can't be specific. So that's the problem. 872 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:34.559 They have a dogma of generic theism. Really okay, yeah, if. 873 00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:36.000 It can't be specific, that makes sense. 874 00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:39.559 And then also too, do you remember when I did 875 00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.920 that article and I was working with Garby, so with. 876 00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:47.760 This common core, this generic saying one of the things. 877 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:53.159 That it's about God is he's worthy of worship. But 878 00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:54.920 worship requires allegiance. 879 00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:58.159 Yes, great point, you can't. 880 00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:01.800 You can't have a generic God. That's like saying there's 881 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:08.760 two warring armies and I'm allegiant to them both I 882 00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:09.559 am with army. 883 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:14.559 So worship requires exclusion to the exclusion of others. 884 00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:17.639 Right, So it doesn't make sense that you can even 885 00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:21.239 say like, oh, I can have this generic kind of 886 00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:21.599 or we. 887 00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:23.079 Accept this other worship. 888 00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:31.239 So worship just like allegiance to an army excludes all 889 00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:32.400 the others too. 890 00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:36.199 And another way to show that this is false, and 891 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:38.239 I should have brought this up in the debate and 892 00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:42.320 I forgot, is that when you go to Masonic lodges, 893 00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:47.679 they will put on their quote alter the Torah, the Bible, 894 00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:50.519 and the Qur'an and even the bahgabad Ghita. No, and 895 00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:54.519 I've got it up on screen. So when you are yeah, 896 00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:58.760 well yeah, when you join the Masonic lodge, any of 897 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:02.320 those can be placed on the altar. Here's an example 898 00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:07.280 where they put the Bible, the Shinto text, the Baga 899 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:11.199 bay Gie to the Jefferson Bible, the Torah, and the Qur'an. 900 00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:15.719 So this this proves my point, all right, cool. 901 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:18.639 I was under the perception that they just wanted you 902 00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:21.000 to believe something, but like you would never talk anybody 903 00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:23.519 about what you believe in and they would never teach 904 00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:24.039 you anything. 905 00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:25.320 But if they actually you know. 906 00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:28.960 There's a bunch of there's a bunch of a bunch 907 00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:32.440 of Masonic altars right there. And then throughout the debate, 908 00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:37.000 Chase kept saying, yeah, but I can personally have it 909 00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:40.480 be my God. That doesn't that doesn't work. That's like 910 00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:43.920 father Deacon saying It's like, you can't be well, I am, 911 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:47.719 I'm fighting on the side of army, but personally it's 912 00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.760 the good guys. I'm against the bad guys, but I'm 913 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:54.239 also on the side of all army. Like okay, well, 914 00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:59.440 if there's a Muslim army and a Christian army and 915 00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:02.199 you say I'm on the side of army, but I'm 916 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:04.039 also personally on the side of the Christians. I think 917 00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:06.639 this is retarded. It's like, obviously this doesn't work, dous 918 00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:07.239 on what's up? 919 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:11.000 Hey? 920 00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:13.880 I was just wanting to build up off the huavos 921 00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:15.360 at humanism. 922 00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.280 Next time, if any of these evangelicals ever debate you, 923 00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:20.320 have you tried. 924 00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:25.639 Running the DN argumentation? What? Running these nuts across her forehead? 925 00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:29.320 All right? Got them? Thank you? It's Ben Watson's I 926 00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.719 heard of good D's nuts argument. I like it. Chase 927 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:36.000 what's up? Although it might be verging into gay territory, 928 00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.719 so we don't want to if we do something like that, 929 00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:42.280 we might attract the galiens. Chase what's up? 930 00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:43.760 Hey, Jay? 931 00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.159 I just wanted to say, dude, your Freemason debate could 932 00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:49.000 not have came at a better time for me. 933 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:50.400 Spiritually speaking. 934 00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:54.519 I had just moved away from an Orthodox church that 935 00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:57.679 I was attending around two hours away due to financial reasons. 936 00:57:58.239 --> 00:57:58.920 I'm a salesman. 937 00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:01.280 Head moved back home and in with family. 938 00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:04.000 To get back on my feet, and one of my 939 00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:07.000 food managers is actually a Mason. 940 00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:08.920 He started telling me about how great it was. 941 00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:10.760 You know, we got a lot of Baptist pastors here 942 00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:14.280 in the South that are Freemasons, and so I was 943 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.599 looking into it and I thought it might be a 944 00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:17.360 cool thing to join. 945 00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:20.159 He gave me a bunch of Grinders magazines. 946 00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.320 I was like, oh, look, they're helping kids. You know, 947 00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:25.159 it look really cool, and so I hate to say it, 948 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:29.000 but I did. I did end up petitioning, but you know, 949 00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:33.079 I'm not going to join obviously. But before I had petitioned, 950 00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:39.239 I had a I had like Masons coming to my 951 00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:42.639 job asking for me by name that had Masonic tags 952 00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:46.159 on the back of their vehicles. That it came for 953 00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:49.159 about two weeks straight, and I felt completely gang stalked. 954 00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:51.199 This is before I did ever even sign a petition. 955 00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:52.960 So I just wanted to ask, do you have any 956 00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:56.960 like actual record of Masons that have done gangsonging? 957 00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:01.920 I mean, I don't know your situation. But I don't 958 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:06.880 really think they would gang stock typically nowadays because they're 959 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:12.639 a little more they're they're less popular amongst people younger, 960 00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:18.920 you go, people are less interested. I mean in history, 961 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.559 if you look at the William Morgan affair, there was 962 00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:25.320 a Masonic assassination and we just had that case. In France, 963 00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:27.880 there was a Masonic kid squad. I think those are 964 00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:34.559 in those are more rare than the norm. And I 965 00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:36.239 don't mean to be rude, but I'm just saying, like 966 00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:41.000 I doubt that how can I. I mean, they might 967 00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:42.719 be to be zealous because they just want you to 968 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:43.639 join the lodge. 969 00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:44.000 But like. 970 00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.800 I and I don't mean to hurt people's feelings. But 971 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.480 I unfortunately I think that most people, not you do 972 00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:55.159 because I don't know you, but in general, people that 973 00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:59.800 think they're being gang stock, they're not being gangstock. It's 974 00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:03.960 a it's almost always people who are having uh, you know, 975 01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:08.920 paranoia episodes, schizophrenic episodes. If you watch the document I 976 01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:11.320 watched a bunch of stuff on this. Yes, I know 977 01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:14.679 that during the Cold War, the East German Stazzi had 978 01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:19.320 perfected a technique of harassing, you know, dissidence to the 979 01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:23.360 to the sazy. I know all about that, but I 980 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:27.800 don't think that that's happening to most people, mainly because 981 01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:29.239 and I don't want to hurt your feelings, but like, 982 01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:33.239 most people are not a threats to the establishment. And 983 01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:39.400 if you you know, if you had like a compromising 984 01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:43.159 info on a politician, yeah, I might believe you're you 985 01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:47.920 were harassed and stalked or something. If you had dirt 986 01:00:48.039 --> 01:00:51.000 on uh, you know. I mean, if you're Michael Hutchinson, 987 01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:54.559 you're sleeping with Bob Geldoff's wife, then you might end 988 01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:58.360 up asphyxiated. I mean, I don't either just say like that, 989 01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:01.719 that's the kind of a situation where I could believe it. 990 01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:05.159 But if you're like, you know, random factory worker, dude, 991 01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:07.440 not dissing random factory worker, Like if you I'm not 992 01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:10.880 hating on working class folks. I'm just saying I don't 993 01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:16.400 think they're worried about you know, random people, whether they're 994 01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:26.639 joined the lodge or not. But Andrew, what's up? I mean, who, like, 995 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:32.840 who have we seen oft in recent times? Charlie Kirk, 996 01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:38.719 whatever you think about it, whoever did it? Jeff Stein, McCaffrey, 997 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:46.480 they attempted Trump, whatever you think of that, the Masonic 998 01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:49.800 hit squads going after organized crime or being involved in 999 01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:55.599 organized crime stuff. Uh, guys in the chat, remind me 1000 01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:59.760 who are the more recent you know, people on a 1001 01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:06.639 lot Benzer Bhutto was unalived because the Muslim stuff Breitbart unalived, 1002 01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:16.639 it seems probably. I'm sure I'm forgetting some obvious ones 1003 01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:21.760 people around the Clintons. Who else is? Oh? Yeah, who 1004 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:25.320 is the famous Uh my godfather wrote a book about 1005 01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:28.159 the the guy that was in the circles of Hillary 1006 01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:34.360 that was unlive. What was his name? I'm going blank 1007 01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:40.800 on the Hillary dude. Oh, the the insurance ceo Virginia 1008 01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:46.960 Jeffrey perhaps Sinzo, right, yeah, you had the Japanese guy 1009 01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:58.440 I take unlived. Perhaps Kurt Cobain, perhaps David Carrodine, Yeah, 1010 01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:08.519 Seth rich Apps McAfee. I don't mean people that we 1011 01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:15.199 speculate about. I'm saying like known on a Livings shinzo 1012 01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:19.679 abe definitely. I mean that's kind of stuff's kind of rare, 1013 01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:27.440 you know what I mean? Sorambe Cecil cecil and Harambe. 1014 01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:30.960 There we go, Oh, Justice Scaliah, that's the one I 1015 01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:37.960 forgot about him? Perhaps, Yeah, those are the perhaps though 1016 01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:39.199 Andrew what's up. 1017 01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:43.320 Hey, sorry, I'm about a power behind in the life. 1018 01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:45.599 So I don't know if this was brought up or not. 1019 01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:51.440 But you were looking at the cannings those first contentional 1020 01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:55.719 bull and saw that the third one was different. I 1021 01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:59.159 looked in the way back machine and it was changed 1022 01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:00.400 all the way back seven. 1023 01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:07.480 Oh you're saying that the New Advent deleted that canon. Yeah, wow, 1024 01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:09.719 in November of. 1025 01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:11.239 Six it's there. 1026 01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:11.920 Wow. 1027 01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:12.440 Yeah. 1028 01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:15.960 The next snap shot is a hill seven. It's gone. 1029 01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:26.039 Interesting. I wonder who and why they thought to do that, because, yeah, 1030 01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:28.599 that's interesting. And by the way, when I was pulling 1031 01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:33.400 up the I don't I still don't understand why there 1032 01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:36.400 would be two versions of John Paul the Seconds uh 1033 01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:42.559 Homilies and Jordan or speech to the Jordanians, because there's 1034 01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:46.840 one that says still has the made John the Baptist 1035 01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.639 protect Islam, and then there's another version where it's not there. 1036 01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:53.880 And people found that the Vatican website still has both there, 1037 01:04:55.280 --> 01:05:00.159 but I think it's the same talk. So the these 1038 01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:03.480 are interesting questions. Why would New Advent remove that canon 1039 01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:08.400 in two thousand and seven, and why would there'd be 1040 01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:12.639 two versions of John Paul saying that one saying John 1041 01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:14.559 the Batist protect Islam, and another one saying where he 1042 01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:19.360 doesn't say it, Luca, what's up? But I mean, come on, now, 1043 01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:22.440 the Vatican is like they're classics when it comes to forgeries. 1044 01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:24.960 They're like the ancient masters of forgeries. Dude. 1045 01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:31.239 Sorry, hey, j I'm relatively new to your channel. I've 1046 01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:35.159 been watching you for about three months. I'm sorry. 1047 01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:36.079 I know this is. 1048 01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:41.159 It's sorry, my first. 1049 01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:42.159 Time doing this kind of thing. 1050 01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:48.599 Okay, So I know the topic is cons are bad 1051 01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:51.480 idols and stuff like that, but I have broader questions 1052 01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:56.920 just in general, and I'm not trying to be like 1053 01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:02.519 antagonistic or anything towards you. My family is an Orthodox Christian. 1054 01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:07.280 I'm from Macedonia. I've just recently come into the faith 1055 01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:09.639 almost a year ago, give or take. 1056 01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:14.079 Through logic, I guess I was looking. 1057 01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:17.000 Through Islam and just reading up on a bunch of things, 1058 01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:22.079 and my conclusion was that Jesus Christ is our Lord 1059 01:06:22.119 --> 01:06:26.440 and Savior, and the Orthodox do what Dollarsthodox Church is 1060 01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:27.679 the one true church. 1061 01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:30.440 And I've watched your videos on that. 1062 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:38.239 My question being, or one of the questions that I 1063 01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:43.199 want your opinion on, is I think my mom is 1064 01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:47.760 falling into the modern liberal feminist kind of ideology. And 1065 01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:53.239 it's like, I don't really see it as an orthodox or. 1066 01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:54.920 Even near Christianity. 1067 01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:59.360 And it's just whenever I tried to show her any 1068 01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:02.599 kind of debate it's involving Rachel Wilson, She's. 1069 01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:03.039 Shut it down. 1070 01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:05.760 Cool, this is demonic. This is that they don't watch 1071 01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:10.320 debate like that. And she's pro abortion. But I don't 1072 01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:13.480 know how you can hold the same claim as I'm 1073 01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:16.360 orthodox Christian, I believe in Jesus Christ and stuff, and 1074 01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:17.639 also be pro abortion. 1075 01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:22.440 Well, yeah, you can't, right. I appreciate that, Luco. But 1076 01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:26.519 here's the thing. You can't debate your parents. Never debate 1077 01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:29.480 your parents. It's not gonna work. They're never gonna listen 1078 01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:35.320 to you logically refuting them. I've never even heard of that. Ever. 1079 01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:38.239 The only way you're gonna convert your parents is that 1080 01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:43.320 if you become a responsible adult with a job and 1081 01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:47.280 you know, wife and kids and all of that, then 1082 01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:50.440 they will perhaps listen to things that you have to say. 1083 01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:53.360 But they changed your poopy diapers. They're not interested in 1084 01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:56.760 your logical augmentation. So don't even try it. It will 1085 01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:59.119 get you nowhere. In fact, you'll just have a less 1086 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:02.360 worst relationship by trying to argue with your parents. So 1087 01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:05.119 never ever argue with your parents. The only time I 1088 01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:07.400 would say that it's good to do that, in my estimation, 1089 01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:10.239 is that if they specifically ask you, like, hey, why 1090 01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:13.280 do orthodox do this? Or what what's your view on this? Yeah, 1091 01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:16.399 then you can give an answer, but don't don't argue 1092 01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:23.600 with them. We're looking for people who disagree. By the way, Fugan, 1093 01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:27.319 what's up. I'm not fussing at that guy. I don't 1094 01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:29.439 mind people who have questions calling in fugen what's up, 1095 01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:35.079 yo jie? 1096 01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:38.119 What's what's going on? Father Deacon? I saw one of 1097 01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:39.199 the Wilson's in the call. 1098 01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:40.680 I just wanted to show up at my real quick. 1099 01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:43.520 Love you guys, God bless But I'm gonna get right 1100 01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:46.920 to the point. I'm still learning about Acumanism. I just 1101 01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:50.199 picked up Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future. I'm 1102 01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:54.720 gonna be honest. The ship from Rose talks about Legit 1103 01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:56.439 scares the absolute shit out of me. 1104 01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:02.079 What exactly? What exactly is scary? What do you mean? 1105 01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:03.359 So that's what it is? 1106 01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:05.439 What I'm That's what I'm talking about. So someone is 1107 01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:06.760 still learning and coming into the church. 1108 01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:07.000 Right. 1109 01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:12.880 It talks a lot about that. It uses the word 1110 01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:14.560 antichrist a lot. 1111 01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:18.359 Right, And how do you share something like this with 1112 01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:21.479 people that you know that are in these churches, right, 1113 01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:24.039 that are still your friends, it's still your family, and 1114 01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:26.039 not sound like an absolute insane person. 1115 01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:26.760 Right. 1116 01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:28.840 This is something that I think is worth talking about 1117 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.800 or at least to explain that these theological views are 1118 01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:34.439 just far from true Christianity. 1119 01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:37.840 Well, like we mentioned a minute ago with the previous guy, 1120 01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:42.039 with family, you're never going to get anywhere debating your family. 1121 01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:44.760 And the same goes for your brothers and sisters too. 1122 01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:49.560 My younger brother and I we used to have arguments 1123 01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:51.319 all the time, and I would try to debate him. 1124 01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:53.079 I try to debate with my mom and my dad. 1125 01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:56.600 It doesn't go anywhere because they've been around you their 1126 01:09:56.600 --> 01:10:00.640 whole life. They've seen every mistake and flaw and sin 1127 01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:04.439 that you've done publicly. They know all that and it 1128 01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:08.319 just doesn't work. So they have to see a change 1129 01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:15.159 in you over time. So keep in mind too, because 1130 01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:17.520 a lot of us are theology nerds, we're spergs where 1131 01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:21.640 philosophy weirdos. We think that everybody's going to be thinking 1132 01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:25.720 logically and argumentation wise about how to have solve these problems. No, 1133 01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:30.000 ninety nine percent of people don't think that way. They 1134 01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:33.560 think that what's true is what I want to be true. 1135 01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:37.359 So there's got to be a change in the person. 1136 01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:39.920 And a lot of times this comes when a difficulty 1137 01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:43.399 happens in their life. It doesn't come through logical augmentation 1138 01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:50.199 very rarely. Usually it's a death in the family, car wreck, illness. 1139 01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:54.520 Those are the things that get people thinking, maybe my 1140 01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:57.279 paradigm isn't what I want to be true, but maybe 1141 01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:00.680 I have to actually submit to something true. So until 1142 01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:05.000 those things happen in a person's life, arguing and debating 1143 01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:14.159 is limited in its effectiveness. So the best approach with 1144 01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:20.119 friends and family is feel them out. If they're open 1145 01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:25.880 to it, then take a hey, check out this documentary, 1146 01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:28.199 check out this book, tell me what you think of it. 1147 01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:32.920 Take that kind of judo approach. Let them come to you, 1148 01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:38.319 let them ask the questions. Don't be aggressive with your 1149 01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:40.600 friends and family. You can be aggressive with your bros, 1150 01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:46.560 right because bros can appreciate and take aggression. Your mom, 1151 01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:49.640 your grandma, don't prece have grandma. That's what I'm trying 1152 01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:53.039 to say, applied by the rule of don't pres grandma, fway, 1153 01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:53.520 what's up? 1154 01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:05.439 Yep, you could hear me. I could barely hear you. 1155 01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:06.560 I can hear you. 1156 01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:10.479 Well, oh, I you know, I was gonna ask a question. 1157 01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:18.439 So basically I had started o Cia within the Catholic Church. 1158 01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:23.520 But then like after really inquiring a line and doing 1159 01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:31.439 some like research, I wanted to pursue like basically inquiring 1160 01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:34.760 of Orthodoxy. So I went to a church and I 1161 01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:39.399 spoke to a priest and I was telling him how basically. 1162 01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:42.479 The church that I was in o Cia, and they 1163 01:12:42.520 --> 01:12:43.159 were saying that. 1164 01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:49.439 Dating and recognized my Baptist and so I was trying 1165 01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:51.279 I was trying to tell him he might end up 1166 01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:53.079 you know, he was saying that he might end up 1167 01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:54.600 going through the same thing, like he might end up 1168 01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:55.399 feeling the same way. 1169 01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:57.880 But what he told me was, since I was. 1170 01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:00.800 Already in Ocia, what he told me was that it 1171 01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:04.119 would probably make more sense for me to finish that 1172 01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:06.600 out and go through with the whole process and then 1173 01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:08.840 come to him, and then he would receive me that 1174 01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:11.640 way because he would have like less baggage. I just 1175 01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:15.079 wanted to know, like since you have father on like, 1176 01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:17.600 is that an appropriate No? 1177 01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:22.119 Not typically, I mean unless there's some extenuating circumstance that 1178 01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:28.920 we don't know about. Not, that's not. Does the stream 1179 01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:34.359 still going? Look like? Did it cut off? Looks like 1180 01:13:34.439 --> 01:13:38.920 it's still going? Maybe just shut shut down on YouTube, FDA. 1181 01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:46.520 Would you say anything about that? All right? He can't 1182 01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:48.560 hear me. No, unfortunately, that's not. 1183 01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:52.600 Sorry, could you say again it's probably but without even 1184 01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:53.600 knowing probably not. 1185 01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:54.840 What's the question now? 1186 01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:58.960 He says that Orthodox Pre he's told him to finish 1187 01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:05.520 his Roman calcol r c I A absolutely not all right? Uh, well, 1188 01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:09.119 Pre said, you know what I know you are going to. 1189 01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:15.399 The scientology. Uh what do they call that when you 1190 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:18.399 do auditing? 1191 01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:19.920 Auditing? 1192 01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:25.159 I think you just finish up that program, finish up 1193 01:14:25.199 --> 01:14:28.520 whatever it deals that you have with the cartel. 1194 01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:32.479 Yeah, get go ahead and get catechized in the Vatican 1195 01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:36.479 to religion, and then we'll then then come in. 1196 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:38.880 After after you've done all the satanic stuff. 1197 01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:39.199 We just. 1198 01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:49.119 Yeah, Jake, what's something Hey look here, ja, Yes, sir. 1199 01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:54.720 Hey, it was something either last night or the previous 1200 01:14:54.880 --> 01:15:00.920 live you said something about many or some of the 1201 01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:04.359 you know, stories of the saints are similar to myth 1202 01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:09.239 or legend, And I was curious because what got me 1203 01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:14.199 into Orthodoxy was kind of a lot of the biographies 1204 01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:16.039 and whatnot lives of the saints. 1205 01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:20.079 And I was but also very skeptical. 1206 01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:22.199 As well of some of the stories that I heard. 1207 01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:25.680 Do you know any literature that goes deeper into what 1208 01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:27.159 you were insinuating the other night? 1209 01:15:27.399 --> 01:15:31.680 I don't know, no, all right, I mean I think 1210 01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:36.760 it's just it's obvious that there are legends. Ah, what 1211 01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:41.439 the delineator is? I mean, I don't know. There's no 1212 01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:52.640 easy answer to that test this what's up? Oh you 1213 01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:54.439 guys remind me? Yeah, there's a bunch of super chests. 1214 01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:56.960 I got to catch up here, non fake Blake ten dollars. 1215 01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:00.479 People in this evangelical online e space is care more 1216 01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:03.159 about dollars in truth, for us, it is about eternal life. 1217 01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:07.239 It's not easy. Their business appeal is a bare minimum salvation. 1218 01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:10.079 Thus their only hope is to have acumunism. Yeah, we 1219 01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:12.760 talked about that last night. That's the model that Peter Drucker, 1220 01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:17.760 who's the big, big daddy of evangelical megachurch stuff, who 1221 01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:21.439 was not even a Christian. He created this business model, 1222 01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:24.680 and he said, for the business model to be successful, 1223 01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:26.520 it has to be a cumunist. It has to have 1224 01:16:27.199 --> 01:16:34.159 no dogmas, because then you're just excluding people tests this 1225 01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:34.920 what's up. 1226 01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:38.880 Secially weird using can you hear me? 1227 01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:39.319 Yeah? 1228 01:16:40.159 --> 01:16:42.479 All right, there's something I want to mention. 1229 01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:45.479 And I'm a catech caman from like a strong IFP backgrounds. 1230 01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:49.920 You know that Liberty University back when our grandparents were 1231 01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:54.159 emission you know, seminary. And it's specifically kind of with 1232 01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:58.239 that Jim Bob debate you had with the scriptural preservation. 1233 01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:00.840 He mentioned that verse that would they always bring up 1234 01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:03.359 with the not one jot or tittle would pass away? 1235 01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:05.720 And I often like to refer to it like that. 1236 01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:09.000 Even the Hebrew text, you know, the Old Testament is 1237 01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:12.159 perfectly preserved from when it was written. But you know, 1238 01:17:12.279 --> 01:17:14.239 I know you say you're not a textual staller, but 1239 01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:16.239 it seems like a very easy kill shot. 1240 01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:16.479 For that view. 1241 01:17:16.520 --> 01:17:21.359 Specifically, what's the kill shot exactly. 1242 01:17:22.520 --> 01:17:24.720 The whole idea that not one jot or tittle, so 1243 01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:28.439 specifically every single letter, you know, down to the letter 1244 01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:33.359 preservation for the Old Testament is held up until today. 1245 01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:36.560 But with the actual wave it was preserved. It's kind 1246 01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:38.239 of hard to make that kind of claim. 1247 01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:41.079 Yeah, there's just so many things that we're mentioned in 1248 01:17:41.159 --> 01:17:43.479 the debate, and you'll if you end up doing a 1249 01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:47.239 lot of debates, you'll realize that you can't address everything 1250 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:50.960 that a person brings up, especially when it's like, uh, 1251 01:17:51.399 --> 01:17:54.199 not formal and just constant back and forth, and you 1252 01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:56.600 have to choose in the heat of the moment which 1253 01:17:56.680 --> 01:17:58.680 things you want to respond to and which things are 1254 01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:03.119 more important so that you don't let the opponent take 1255 01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:06.000 you down a rabbit trail. And you'll notice when I 1256 01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:10.920 do debates, almost always I stick to two or three 1257 01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:13.840 key issues that I never let go. And that's because 1258 01:18:14.479 --> 01:18:17.079 there's a lot of different tactics and techniques that people 1259 01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:20.520 can do in debates to get around issues and challenges, 1260 01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:23.680 and one of those is to deflect over into other 1261 01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:26.560 topics and then go down a rabbit trail. And so 1262 01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:31.760 I always bring it back to the thing maybe three 1263 01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:36.720 things that are not answered. And that's because that really, 1264 01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:42.439 I think emphasizes the main faults in the person's position, 1265 01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:46.760 and it doesn't allow them. Because I've done debates for 1266 01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:48.760 a long time, I know all the tricks and the 1267 01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:53.279 snaky tactics that people are going to do. And one 1268 01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:56.239 of the easiest is obvious that that's easy to spot 1269 01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:58.239 is when people try to go off into some other 1270 01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:01.319 tangent to get you to reflected away from the thing 1271 01:19:01.520 --> 01:19:04.760 where they don't have much to say, or they're weak 1272 01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:07.880 or they can't answer it. That's why you have to 1273 01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:10.319 call out two quoquay is because most of the time 1274 01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:12.479 people are doing it too quotuay. It's because they don't 1275 01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:15.000 want to answer the question you just ask them. And 1276 01:19:15.079 --> 01:19:17.359 a two quot way is not an internal critique. It's 1277 01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:24.159 two different things. Beef salt, rabbi waivos frantiros is more 1278 01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:27.439 correct than you exactly, sterling five dollars? What's a black 1279 01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:32.319 aaroney ten dollars? Have you seen Hispanic pentis? I don't 1280 01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:35.600 know what that is. I was raised as a Dominican 1281 01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:39.239 penty is this a group of people? I don't know 1282 01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:41.840 what that is. They found that a Hispanic church in 1283 01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:45.119 the US, and one of the pastors showed a picture 1284 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:54.920 whoa of a young, unalived person that was sacrificed too 1285 01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:05.600 to Satan. To pepple for people or is pepple something 1286 01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:13.800 Hispanic Tentius. I can't are you saying that's a cult. 1287 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:16.279 I don't understand what you're saying. Let's see, by the way, 1288 01:20:16.359 --> 01:20:18.920 this is a shout out to Gooster. I did bring 1289 01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:21.039 up a bunch of the links that Gooster sent. I 1290 01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:23.039 told you guys were gonna we're going to cover his 1291 01:20:23.159 --> 01:20:28.279 links because he old school ortho bro for whatever reason, 1292 01:20:28.399 --> 01:20:29.920 knows all of Maybe he was in the mega churches, 1293 01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:31.880 I don't know, but he knows all about the history 1294 01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:38.840 of the megachurches. And this is a thing he sent 1295 01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:44.800 from a guy called Todd Wilson. I don't know anything 1296 01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:51.520 about this. The Leadership podcast, and this is about personal 1297 01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:56.159 growth and basically like the business model of the church. 1298 01:20:56.760 --> 01:20:59.279 So we're not going to go into this whole podcast, 1299 01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:01.119 but you guys can watch this if you want. This 1300 01:21:01.319 --> 01:21:04.479 is what these evangelical types are being taught. Right, So 1301 01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:09.479 the Ruslan types, the Gavin Ortland types, they watch these 1302 01:21:09.640 --> 01:21:13.319 dudes too, and Redeem Zoom or these like, they watch 1303 01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:17.439 these people to figure out marketing strategies to create their 1304 01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:26.560 business churches. But you said there's a cult called Hispanic penthees, 1305 01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:33.680 no Dominican Pentees, you know, like Dominican Republic about the 1306 01:21:33.680 --> 01:22:10.600 Dominican order Dominican pepsis. All that gives me is bad 1307 01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:16.640 bitches behaving, misbehaving, bad Dominican bitches misbehaving. I don't know 1308 01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:19.279 what Dominican penties, panties, I don't know what that is 1309 01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:26.800 dog Dominican penty. And there's a Hispanic church I don't know, 1310 01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:29.920 lucas five dollars. Thank you, Jay, I forgot that YouTube 1311 01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:33.920 doesn't allow the that word. Uh, it's hard to know 1312 01:22:34.039 --> 01:22:36.800 what they're doing doing. I'm not sure I'm interested in 1313 01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:39.119 getting into debate. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Appreciate 1314 01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:48.720 that man. Oh Pentecostal black Aruni says Dominican Pentecostal the 1315 01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:55.479 pastor showed a charred on a lived person to hype 1316 01:22:55.560 --> 01:22:59.560 up people. Oh against spiritual warfare. Interesting, so you wasn't 1317 01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:09.560 talking about these bad bitches. How the modern churches shaped 1318 01:23:10.279 --> 01:23:13.640 business church. Okay, here's another one that Gooster said we 1319 01:23:13.720 --> 01:23:17.920 need to check out. This one is called this is 1320 01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:22.640 about the implosion of the megachurches. There's nothing you can 1321 01:23:22.680 --> 01:23:25.079 do to make God stop loving you, because God's love 1322 01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:26.800 is not based on who you are, based on who 1323 01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:27.119 he is. 1324 01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:29.720 You have to know who God made you to be. 1325 01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:31.279 That's your identity. 1326 01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:35.560 This book sold fifty million copies. It became the best 1327 01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:40.039 selling hardcover nonfiction book in American history. Rick Warren's face 1328 01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:44.600 was on Time, magazine, Newsweek, and every major Christian publication. 1329 01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:47.479 Presidents called him for advice, and nobody talks about the 1330 01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:50.800 churches it destroyed. Between twenty three and twenty ten, thousands 1331 01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:53.640 of American congregations adopted his program, Some of them grew, 1332 01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:56.079 many of them split, and across the country, people who 1333 01:23:56.079 --> 01:23:58.159 had worshiped in the same queues for decades found themselves 1334 01:23:58.199 --> 01:23:59.920 pushed out the door. This is the story, they didn't 1335 01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:01.840 it on the bookjacket. In two thousand and two, Rick 1336 01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:04.399 Warren was already a superstar pastor. His church in Orange County, 1337 01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:06.319 California had grown from a Bible study in his living 1338 01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:09.159 room to a megachurch with fifteen thousand weekly attendees. But 1339 01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:12.159 the Purpose Driven Life changed everything. The book was simple, 1340 01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:15.640 forty chapters, forty days, one promise you would discover God's 1341 01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:17.680 purpose for your life. It sold a million copies in 1342 01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:20.680 four months, then five million, then ten million by two 1343 01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:23.000 thousand and seven, and had sold over thirty million copies 1344 01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:25.800 in fifty six Languages. Publishers Weekly called it the best 1345 01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:26.920 selling hard damn. 1346 01:24:27.159 --> 01:24:29.600 I remember too, back in the two thousands or whatever, 1347 01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:33.840 like you would go and in thrift stores, you know, 1348 01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:37.600 book hunting, and you would see like twenty copies of 1349 01:24:37.680 --> 01:24:41.479 the cell Esteine Prophecy and twenty copies of Purpose Driven Life. 1350 01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:45.079 I remember every evangelical had this, freaking because I was 1351 01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:47.399 already out of evangelicalism when this came out. I was 1352 01:24:47.479 --> 01:24:50.800 a tradcat. And I remember, like, you see this stupid 1353 01:24:50.840 --> 01:24:52.079 book everywhere, dude. 1354 01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:55.000 Cover nonfiction book in American publishing history. OPRAH featured it. 1355 01:24:55.159 --> 01:24:58.039 Corporations bought it for their employees. The military distributed it 1356 01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:00.520 to troops. Even secular bookstores couldn't kee on the shelves. 1357 01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:01.960 Warren became America's pastor. 1358 01:25:02.199 --> 01:25:08.960 The military distributed this book to troops. That's crazy, damn, dude. 1359 01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:14.880 This really is the official American civic religion is mega Churchianity. 1360 01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:18.359 And Hurricane Katrina business church devastated New Orleans. He mobilized 1361 01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:20.720 thousands of churches for relief efforts. When world leaders gathered 1362 01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:23.119 at Dabos, he was there. When Barack Obama needed someone 1363 01:25:23.159 --> 01:25:23.800 to give the invocation. 1364 01:25:24.520 --> 01:25:25.439 He went to Davos. 1365 01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:30.359 What when Barack Obama needed someone to give the invocation 1366 01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:32.840 at his inauguration in two thousand and nine for relief efforts. 1367 01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:34.720 Well, actually, that makes sense because he's in the CFR. 1368 01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:36.680 People forget that Rick Warren was in the council. 1369 01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:38.640 Warren relations world leaders gathered at Tabas. 1370 01:25:38.840 --> 01:25:39.239 He was there. 1371 01:25:39.399 --> 01:25:41.439 When Barack Obama needed someone to give the invocation at 1372 01:25:41.439 --> 01:25:43.920 his inauguration in two thousand and nine, he called Rick Warren. 1373 01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:46.960 Saddleback Church became the model everyone wanted to copy, while 1374 01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:49.479 pastors flew in from around the world to study Warren's methods, 1375 01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:53.840 Seminary professors required his books, denominations restructured their training programs 1376 01:25:53.960 --> 01:25:55.760 around his principles seminary. 1377 01:25:56.079 --> 01:26:01.039 Could you imagine reading Rick Warren's book and seminary. Don't 1378 01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:04.319 read that, Saint John Christostom, we got purpose driven life, dude. 1379 01:26:04.359 --> 01:26:07.840 What The purpose driven movement wasn't just about individual spiritual 1380 01:26:07.880 --> 01:26:10.760 growth anymore. It had become a blueprint for church transformation. 1381 01:26:11.039 --> 01:26:13.159 Warren's previous book, The Purpose Driven Church. 1382 01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:18.600 And I've even blown away at how business Church was 1383 01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:26.159 actually ten times more business church than I thought it was. Wow. 1384 01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:29.479 Ready sold over a million copies to pastors. Now, with 1385 01:26:29.520 --> 01:26:31.840 the Purpose Driven Life reaching ordinary believers, he had both 1386 01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:34.039 the leaders and the congregations ready for change. By two 1387 01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:36.079 thousand and five, Warren was training four hundred thousand pastors 1388 01:26:36.079 --> 01:26:37.399 through his website his conferences. 1389 01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:40.960 Every time I hear saddleback, what's that game movie with 1390 01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:47.840 Jake Jillenhall broke Back Mountain Church? I think it broke back, broke. 1391 01:26:47.720 --> 01:26:51.359 Back chirts just a saddle back pulled out months in advance. 1392 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:53.680 His Peace Plan promised to mobilize a billion Christians to 1393 01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:56.439 solve the world's biggest problems. This wasn't just a successful book. 1394 01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:58.760 This was a revolution horror. But the book came with 1395 01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:01.279 something else, something most readers didn't know about when they 1396 01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:03.039 picked it up at Barnes and Noble. It came with 1397 01:27:03.079 --> 01:27:06.159 a program, and that program would split churches from California 1398 01:27:06.199 --> 01:27:08.960 to Carolina. The program was called forty Days of Purpose. 1399 01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:11.199 It was a turnkey church campaign that came in a 1400 01:27:11.239 --> 01:27:15.399 box for thirty nine dollars ninety five cents. Churches got everything, sermon. 1401 01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:19.199 It was a marketing scheme. So the Purpose Driven Life 1402 01:27:19.239 --> 01:27:24.159 had a forty dollars thing. For forty days, you get 1403 01:27:24.199 --> 01:27:27.560 the This is don La Prie on a massive scale. 1404 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:32.279 Everybody's ripping off Don La Prie man and poor Donala Prix. 1405 01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:35.640 Thank Don La Prig got unalive? Do speaking of unlived, 1406 01:27:37.279 --> 01:27:40.279 your boy donal La Prie was unlived. We got a 1407 01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:44.520 lot of young young pups that don't know old Don Laprix. 1408 01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:51.640 Who was Don Laprie. Well, if you were in the nineties, 1409 01:27:52.840 --> 01:27:56.359 just like with all the other horrible infomercials, right, remember 1410 01:27:56.439 --> 01:28:02.520 Susan Powder, what was her thing? Stop the insanity with 1411 01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:06.720 Susan Powder, that crazy flat flat top woman wine mom 1412 01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:09.560 with a flat top that was fat and helped you 1413 01:28:09.640 --> 01:28:14.880 get skinny, get a flat top. I'm not joking, by 1414 01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:18.399 the way, only on my live streams do you go 1415 01:28:18.520 --> 01:28:21.479 from Rick Warren to Saint John Christos to Susan Powder 1416 01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:29.399 and Donald Prix. Stop the insanity. So you would be 1417 01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:34.560 you would be partying. You've been drinking zemas all night. 1418 01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:39.000 You're half drunk at your buddies after the party, hanging 1419 01:28:39.079 --> 01:28:43.520 out on a Friday night. You fall asleep on the 1420 01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:47.439 couch in the nineties, it's nineteen ninety five. You wake 1421 01:28:47.560 --> 01:28:53.199 up groggy, it's two in the morning, and after the TV, 1422 01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:55.279 this TV is still playing and this is what's on 1423 01:28:55.439 --> 01:28:55.680 right now. 1424 01:28:55.960 --> 01:28:56.840 It's up to ten. 1425 01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:12.439 Diets don't work now. 1426 01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:14.479 I lost one hundred and thirty three pounds, But I 1427 01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:16.359 didn't go from a fat person to a thin person. 1428 01:29:16.399 --> 01:29:19.199 That's not whoa dude, look at that. 1429 01:29:19.680 --> 01:29:20.239 What happened. 1430 01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:22.840 I went from an unfit person to a fit person. 1431 01:29:22.920 --> 01:29:25.399 And there's she would actually be attractive. She didn't have 1432 01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:29.479 that stupid Sinad O'Connor haircut. She would have been all right. 1433 01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:32.359 You know what I'm saying, Look at these women are like. 1434 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:33.079 I won't that. 1435 01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:38.600 I won't that for me. And then you you're saying, 1436 01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:40.720 I don't want to watch that, so you change the channel. 1437 01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:43.439 Oh guess what happens when you changed the channel? Don 1438 01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:43.920 la prix. 1439 01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:47.960 Video is the most powerful form of. 1440 01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:50.079 Media on the face of the planet. 1441 01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:55.239 In fact, television has proven this year after year, decade 1442 01:29:55.399 --> 01:29:58.920 after decade. If you're not using video to promote your 1443 01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:02.600 product or your servi, you're missing out on the internet 1444 01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:05.039 the way they this is not. 1445 01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:07.840 The original though, I want their original Don la prie, 1446 01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:09.960 here we go. No, this is two thousand and two. 1447 01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:14.600 I want nineties, bro, I want nineties Don la prix. 1448 01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:25.960 I don't want this recent crap. Here we go. Hello, 1449 01:30:26.119 --> 01:30:26.880 I'm don La Prie. 1450 01:30:26.920 --> 01:30:29.680 I'm so excited that you decided to become a sales 1451 01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:33.000 representative for the Reminder Service. I'm going to walk you 1452 01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:36.760 through fifteen ways to make all the sales you ever 1453 01:30:36.880 --> 01:30:38.920 wanted to make if you want to make ten sales 1454 01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:39.279 a day. 1455 01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:43.439 All of the online e grifter bros, especially in the 1456 01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:47.439 red pill sphere, do they all want to be Donala Prize? Dude? 1457 01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:52.359 I want the original ads though, I don't want all 1458 01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:56.680 this stuff. Here we go infomercials. 1459 01:30:58.079 --> 01:30:59.079 To realize how. 1460 01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:04.359 So you don't want to see the Susan powder infommercial, 1461 01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:06.359 so you switch over to the other channel on cable 1462 01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:08.000 and boom, there's don La Price. 1463 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:11.399 Once you realize how much money you can make doing this, 1464 01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:14.000 you can't stop thinking about it. And when I get 1465 01:31:14.039 --> 01:31:16.880 to meet people who got my making Money package and 1466 01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:20.399 then did what I said and now they're making incredible 1467 01:31:20.439 --> 01:31:23.319 amounts of money because of what I showed them, it's 1468 01:31:23.359 --> 01:31:26.439 the most incredible feeling, especially when you see how much 1469 01:31:26.479 --> 01:31:27.800 their lives have changed. 1470 01:31:28.359 --> 01:31:30.279 Right now, as we said, we're going to do fifty 1471 01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:31.840 thousand in our first month of the year. 1472 01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:35.199 So now, what was don La Prize's model for those 1473 01:31:35.279 --> 01:31:40.720 that don't know placing tiny ads and classified magazines About 1474 01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:44.319 how to place tiny ads and classify magazines to get paid? 1475 01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:52.119 WHOA and what is Rick Warren's model? Forty dollars to 1476 01:31:52.199 --> 01:31:55.439 get the full course on how to teach people. The 1477 01:31:55.560 --> 01:31:56.560 forty dollars. 1478 01:31:56.319 --> 01:32:00.880 Course outlines small group guides, marketing materials, pennerstant inserts, even 1479 01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:02.960 the graphics for their websites. Pastors didn't need to write 1480 01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:04.600 a single sermon, They didn't need to create a single 1481 01:32:04.600 --> 01:32:07.239 Bible study. They just needed to follow the script. Warren's organization, 1482 01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:10.039 now called Purpose Driven Ministries, provided training videos, They offered 1483 01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:12.479 coaching calls. They created an online community where pastors could 1484 01:32:12.479 --> 01:32:15.800 share success stories and troubleshoot problems. More than thirty thousand 1485 01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:18.119 churches signed up in the first three years. Think about 1486 01:32:18.159 --> 01:32:21.640 that number. Thirty thousand congregations in cities and small towns, 1487 01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:26.600 Baptist churches, Methodist churches, Presbyterian churches, non denominational churches, even 1488 01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:29.840 some Catholic parishes, all following the same program, all preaching 1489 01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:32.439 the same messages, all moving toward the same model. And 1490 01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:35.600 that model had a name, Seeker Sensitive. The idea wasn't 1491 01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:37.359 new Warren had learned it from men like Robert Schuler 1492 01:32:37.359 --> 01:32:37.920 and Bill Hibbles. 1493 01:32:38.039 --> 01:32:40.319 By the way, this is how all of these people 1494 01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:45.640 became so effeminate, because their churches are modeled on what's 1495 01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:50.399 called a seeker sensitive model of church membership, meaning don't 1496 01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:56.439 do anything, say anything related to repentance, changing your life, dogma, 1497 01:32:57.520 --> 01:33:02.880 anything like that, because we don't want to scare them off. Now, 1498 01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:06.760 after a few decades of this nonsense, all of these 1499 01:33:07.039 --> 01:33:12.479 effeminate evangelicals are now reflecting this in their seeker sensitive 1500 01:33:12.640 --> 01:33:16.039 orthobo mad bad people line of argumentation. 1501 01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:18.520 Jueler and Bill Hibbs pastors who had built megachurches by 1502 01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:20.800 rethinking everything about Sunday morning. They asked a simple question, 1503 01:33:20.920 --> 01:33:23.560 why don't unchurched people come to church? The answer seemed obvious. 1504 01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:26.199 Traditional churches felt foreign to outsiders. The hymns were old, 1505 01:33:26.359 --> 01:33:29.359 the language was religious, the buildings looked like museums. If 1506 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:32.039 you wanted to reach modern people, you needed a modern approach. 1507 01:33:32.239 --> 01:33:34.760 Warren took this philosophy and packaged it. He taught pastors 1508 01:33:34.800 --> 01:33:36.319 to think like marketers identify. 1509 01:33:36.399 --> 01:33:38.880 And this was from Peter Drucker. As we saw in 1510 01:33:38.920 --> 01:33:41.119 the Last Stream your target audience. He even gave his 1511 01:33:41.159 --> 01:33:41.720 target a name. 1512 01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:44.399 Saddleback Sam, a professional man in his thirties or forties, 1513 01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:48.039 married kids, too busy for church, but searching for meeting design. 1514 01:33:48.079 --> 01:33:50.880 Everything for Sam, the music, the messages, the parking lot, 1515 01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:53.520 the coffee bar, yes, the coffee bar. Remove anything that 1516 01:33:53.560 --> 01:33:55.760 might make Sam uncomfortable. Anciently, I remember the first time 1517 01:33:55.800 --> 01:34:00.840 I went to a it's a Presbyterian church in Nashville. 1518 01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:03.880 And I was there with my ex girlfriend back in 1519 01:34:03.960 --> 01:34:06.720 the it's like two thousand and four or five, somewhere 1520 01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:09.399 in there, and my buddies and I we drove out 1521 01:34:09.399 --> 01:34:11.399 to Nashville. We were hanging out with my ex girlfriend 1522 01:34:11.479 --> 01:34:15.479 from high school and she went to this is the 1523 01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:17.520 church that the Jars of Clay dude went to. 1524 01:34:19.319 --> 01:34:22.199 Before he went faking gay or whatever he is now. 1525 01:34:23.239 --> 01:34:26.479 So we went to this church and uh, this is 1526 01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:28.520 right when I'd become a tradcat. This was like two 1527 01:34:28.520 --> 01:34:30.600 thousand and three or four. And we went to this 1528 01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:36.159 Protestant PCA church in Nashville actually, and we walked in 1529 01:34:36.319 --> 01:34:40.359 and there was a giant like Starbucks Barista coffee bar, 1530 01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:45.199 and I'm like, a coffee bar in the narthex of 1531 01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:47.159 the church is the first time I'd ever seen that, 1532 01:34:47.319 --> 01:34:49.640 but that actually comes out of Rick Warren's thing. 1533 01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:52.399 It was gone religous syms, hidden long prayers. 1534 01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:54.640 Who is the Jars of Clay? Dude? By the way, 1535 01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:56.199 I forget that guy's name. Didn't he go. 1536 01:34:58.279 --> 01:34:59.000 Full U? 1537 01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:03.119 And I knew it was a bad sign because I went. 1538 01:35:03.159 --> 01:35:05.279 I remember seeing I saw Jars of Clay in concert 1539 01:35:06.199 --> 01:35:09.520 around the same time because I still like some of 1540 01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:14.079 the evangelical goober music at the time, and I remember 1541 01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:19.600 it was a bad sign because I'm the During the concert, 1542 01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:26.359 they played a special message from Bono asking for money, 1543 01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:29.520 and I was like, oh, dude, this is the worst. 1544 01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:36.399 Who's the jars of Clay? Dude? The jar yard Jar 1545 01:35:36.560 --> 01:35:40.960 Jars of Clay? Chart music? 1546 01:35:41.079 --> 01:35:42.840 Can swim for forty d's. 1547 01:35:44.319 --> 01:35:50.399 Jarge Yards of Clay, Dude, that's funny. Uh, there's a 1548 01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:53.199 lot of angles you could take with jar jars of clay. 1549 01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:59.479 If I can swim up to forty date Dan. 1550 01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:05.359 Hazelt that's him. Yeah, So he went. So he used 1551 01:36:05.359 --> 01:36:11.920 to go to the PCA church in Nashville, which was 1552 01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:16.159 my ex girlfriend's church. This is before or anything to 1553 01:36:16.199 --> 01:36:17.920 do with or I didn't anything about orthodoxy in two 1554 01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:21.199 thousand and three or four, and this was the church 1555 01:36:21.239 --> 01:36:24.960 where they had the coffee bar. And then a few 1556 01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:31.880 years later Dan becomes an LGBTQ ally shocker. 1557 01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:32.119 Right. 1558 01:36:33.800 --> 01:36:36.279 But even in the nineties when I was hanging out 1559 01:36:36.359 --> 01:36:39.920 with people, because I when I became evangelical in nineteen 1560 01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:43.279 ninety seven and eight, I had a bunch of friends 1561 01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:46.239 that were in the music scene and they were friends 1562 01:36:46.279 --> 01:36:50.560 with all of the Nashville Christian rock and roll Christian 1563 01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:53.359 artists people, so I got to meet and hang out 1564 01:36:53.399 --> 01:36:55.439 with some of these people. I never met this Dan dude. 1565 01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:58.319 I did meet and I went to a Bible study 1566 01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:02.199 with Mac from Third Day, So I've actually hung out 1567 01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:04.840 with a Third Day dude one time. What's his name, 1568 01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:11.920 Mac Powell, I think. And I've met not a lot. 1569 01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:17.239 I've met like a handful of these Christian evangelical rockers 1570 01:37:17.479 --> 01:37:25.039 over the years. But it always, even in the nineties, 1571 01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:27.680 there was all these whispers that like, well, you know, 1572 01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:32.960 all these evangelical rockers they're all gay, right, And I 1573 01:37:33.039 --> 01:37:36.159 don't know that Dan Haselsteen himself is gay, but I'm 1574 01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:39.039 saying there was all these rumors in the nineties that, 1575 01:37:39.399 --> 01:37:43.479 like all the a lot not all. A lot of 1576 01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:50.039 the people were Skittles. And remember Jennifer Napp, she was 1577 01:37:50.119 --> 01:37:55.960 like the biggest Christian thing for like two thousand and one, 1578 01:37:56.119 --> 01:38:02.159 two three. Then she gets invited to uh Lila Fair 1579 01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:08.279 and then she comes out as Skittles and it's like, 1580 01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:11.600 what the heck is? Well, how are all of these remember? 1581 01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:13.479 And the same thing with the Caveman's called Remember the 1582 01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:18.479 Caveman's call Dude, the biggest Calvinists band, And remember Dan 1583 01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:23.680 Halseleton was going to Calvinist Church. They're Calvinists for like 1584 01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:25.720 ten years, and then they turned Skittles. 1585 01:38:32.119 --> 01:38:34.560 And then the guy that signed them left and so 1586 01:38:34.680 --> 01:38:37.039 then all their budget money the day their record dropped, 1587 01:38:38.079 --> 01:38:39.880 his gut, their guy was gone. So then all their 1588 01:38:39.920 --> 01:38:43.800 budget radio money went to Jarza Clay, Jarza Clays, Jarza Clay. 1589 01:38:43.840 --> 01:38:45.159 Now yeah, and then all of a sudden it got 1590 01:38:45.199 --> 01:38:46.720 dropped because all of a sudden he goes Doe. We 1591 01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:48.600 try to call and no one to pick up, like 1592 01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:50.399 no one knew they were resigned to her. So I 1593 01:38:50.479 --> 01:38:53.119 know what you mean, from that start, that's crazy, jars Clay. 1594 01:38:53.119 --> 01:38:54.640 I haven't heard that name is forever. I mean, but 1595 01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:57.000 like you know, boom you know they they get all 1596 01:38:57.000 --> 01:38:57.479 the radio money. 1597 01:38:57.479 --> 01:38:59.479 They became an act. I met Butch Walker through Jeremy 1598 01:38:59.479 --> 01:39:02.720 pop Off. I thought that was gonna be an actually 1599 01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:06.640 interesting video. Didn't say anything at all. So let me 1600 01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:08.760 think of what what is that PC eight? 1601 01:39:08.920 --> 01:39:09.720 I think it's PCA. 1602 01:39:17.960 --> 01:39:19.960 I think it's the big PCA Churchimber. Let's see if 1603 01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:30.439 it still has a coffee shop. That's not it. This, 1604 01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:35.800 by the way, is like the mega rich area of Nashville. 1605 01:39:38.039 --> 01:39:50.119 Christ Presbyterian. It might be that one. That's it. I 1606 01:39:50.159 --> 01:39:56.600 think that's it. Christ Presbyterian, Cool Springs. I want to 1607 01:39:56.600 --> 01:39:58.439 see if they still have a big coffee bar. 1608 01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:00.399 I don't know if the so or not. 1609 01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:03.119 Anyway, it doesn't matter. Who cares what am I doing. 1610 01:40:03.279 --> 01:40:04.199 Let's get back to rig. 1611 01:40:04.079 --> 01:40:06.359 One offering plates replaced with boxes in the back, make 1612 01:40:06.399 --> 01:40:09.239 church field like the rest of Sam's week, professional, practical, positive, 1613 01:40:09.399 --> 01:40:11.920 non threatening. It worked at saddleback, why wouldn't it work everywhere? 1614 01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:14.359 But there was something Warren's training materials mentioned only briefly, 1615 01:40:14.920 --> 01:40:17.600 something pastors wouldn't fully understand until they were months into 1616 01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:20.600 the transformation. Not everyone in their churches was saddleback Sam. 1617 01:40:20.920 --> 01:40:22.119 The changes started small. 1618 01:40:22.399 --> 01:40:25.199 First, I'm sorry for keep forgetting the super chats groovy 1619 01:40:25.279 --> 01:40:27.479 banana fifty dollars. I was raised Baptist, but I've been 1620 01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:29.880 listening to you and the others and have been in 1621 01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:32.640 questioning what's true. I'm reading orthodoxy and religion in future. 1622 01:40:32.680 --> 01:40:34.800 I'm taking it seriously. Thank you for all these videos. 1623 01:40:34.840 --> 01:40:37.319 You have book recommendations, Well yeah, I mean we just 1624 01:40:37.439 --> 01:40:45.560 recommended early on Uh Life in Christ by Saint Nicholas Cabasilos. 1625 01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:50.880 That's a classic. It's a good one. Neo Palomite James 1626 01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:53.239 Vallant was critiquing you on tag. Do you want to 1627 01:40:53.279 --> 01:40:56.239 do a response? No, don't care, Floyd five dollars. I'm 1628 01:40:56.279 --> 01:41:01.239 stuggling Charlotte to just understand the distinction between Christ's body 1629 01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:04.199 as the church and the Eucharist. Well that's why it's 1630 01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:07.479 called the mysteries. So again, actually you would like this 1631 01:41:07.600 --> 01:41:09.359 book too, because this whole book is actually about that. 1632 01:41:10.439 --> 01:41:16.479 So that's providential. Eighteen Disabled says for five dollars, you 1633 01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:19.560 the ayah Toola of Wexantium. Now go and slay queen. 1634 01:41:19.760 --> 01:41:21.880 I like that he sent a slay commission to me. 1635 01:41:22.720 --> 01:41:28.439 Slay Queen. Rock Bush says, I saw a UFO in 1636 01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:32.159 northwest Florida as a kid. It was a glowing saucer 1637 01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:36.600 with a dome and rings of light. That's a light 1638 01:41:36.720 --> 01:41:41.039 bright boy. It flew over our car probably ninety miles 1639 01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:45.920 an hour. Weird thing is we remember it being different colors? 1640 01:41:46.119 --> 01:41:47.319 Was it demonic? Perhaps? 1641 01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:50.279 Z K. 1642 01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:53.840 Get the book Bad Post by E. R. Chamberlain. It 1643 01:41:53.920 --> 01:41:57.920 looks interesting. I think I've heard of that book. There 1644 01:41:58.000 --> 01:41:59.920 was another book that came in the two thousands, very soon. 1645 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:07.520 More to that that would be interesting. Timothy ten Dollars 1646 01:42:07.720 --> 01:42:10.439 I was the caller. But you can go further to 1647 01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:13.840 those that are separated from the Orthodox Church and those 1648 01:42:13.880 --> 01:42:18.159 that are confusing people anathema. They actually become persecutors of 1649 01:42:18.199 --> 01:42:22.960 the church, who are the killing the priests, that destroy 1650 01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:25.840 the temples and torture brothers. Well, they may not be 1651 01:42:25.880 --> 01:42:29.439 as extreme as you know the Ottomans killing people or whatever, 1652 01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:33.439 or isis or what, but I mean, it's it's it's yeah, 1653 01:42:33.439 --> 01:42:37.279 it's spiritually subverting and confusing people. And again a lot 1654 01:42:37.319 --> 01:42:40.399 of these people they don't know any better, but they're 1655 01:42:40.439 --> 01:42:45.880 also tempted with the grift. So we have to be patient, 1656 01:42:45.960 --> 01:42:50.119 trying to remember that these people are. They're in a 1657 01:42:50.640 --> 01:42:54.439 they're their own worst enemies. Timothy five dollars anathema anathema, 1658 01:42:55.479 --> 01:43:01.359 Christ is king, Muslims do not or same God. We 1659 01:43:01.520 --> 01:43:06.600 don't define ourselves by what we're not correct these people do. Yeah, 1660 01:43:06.640 --> 01:43:11.279 their whole thing is like we are defined by online 1661 01:43:11.399 --> 01:43:18.560 anti Islamianity. Jay is our new black Ayahtola agreed. Thank 1662 01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:22.680 you again, most wanted five dollars. I've been attending Orthodox liturgy, 1663 01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:27.000 my wife and three almost about to have four kids. Congratulations, 1664 01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:29.399 thank you for bringing me to the truth. Hey, that's awesome, 1665 01:43:29.479 --> 01:43:34.439 man epistemic Anthony. Appreciate that. Guys. I'm not going to 1666 01:43:34.479 --> 01:43:36.720 be reading one dollar super TETs anymore, but I appreciate it. 1667 01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:41.520 Journey of Abundant five dollars. Adam Livingston on the swine 1668 01:43:41.560 --> 01:43:43.079 Bitcoin channel is a big fan. 1669 01:43:43.159 --> 01:43:43.439 Awesome. 1670 01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:49.319 Yeah, I like Adam as well, and I need to 1671 01:43:50.199 --> 01:43:56.640 swine Bitcoin needs to renew my referral link because it 1672 01:43:56.720 --> 01:43:58.840 seems to not be working. I have to reach out 1673 01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:01.840 to them. Rise five dollars. Channel five made a new 1674 01:44:01.880 --> 01:44:06.720 documentary about the Sweetish Sisters from Madden. Oh interesting. I 1675 01:44:06.760 --> 01:44:09.720 definitely want to watch that because that was a classic 1676 01:44:10.920 --> 01:44:18.000 mysterious mk Ultra situation that the BBC caught on camera. Well, 1677 01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:21.239 they eventually did a documentary Madison the fast Lane, which 1678 01:44:21.640 --> 01:44:27.239 appears to be something related to in cultural assassins with 1679 01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:32.479 those two weird twin sisters who were actually sent to 1680 01:44:32.520 --> 01:44:38.279 assassinate somebody. And you're saying that there's a new documentary, 1681 01:44:38.279 --> 01:44:40.399 I've definitely got to watch that. We need to go 1682 01:44:40.479 --> 01:44:43.920 back and do some of those conspiracy classics like Madison 1683 01:44:43.960 --> 01:44:49.479 the fast Lane, Madness and Manslaughter. 1684 01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:01.680 Mm hm yah. 1685 01:45:18.960 --> 01:45:19.199 Yah. 1686 01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:26.119 Channel five? What's Channel five anyway? Is that something British 1687 01:45:26.239 --> 01:45:27.159 in the UK or something? 1688 01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:27.960 Yeah? 1689 01:45:32.720 --> 01:45:39.119 Oh, this is this British? Or is this like Australian? 1690 01:45:39.159 --> 01:45:40.039 What is Channel five? 1691 01:45:47.720 --> 01:45:49.199 H m. 1692 01:45:52.600 --> 01:45:54.319 M hm yah. 1693 01:45:56.840 --> 01:45:57.319 Where is it? 1694 01:45:57.399 --> 01:45:57.600 Dude? 1695 01:45:57.640 --> 01:45:59.920 I don't I don't see it. Sure. 1696 01:46:00.000 --> 01:46:03.520 Well, later the women were spotted on Moltorway CCTV by 1697 01:46:03.600 --> 01:46:04.479 transit police. 1698 01:46:05.399 --> 01:46:16.760 This is the original. Maybe I gotta go somewhere other 1699 01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:24.399 than YouTube to get it. Ah, Oh, it's a show. 1700 01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:32.079 I can only access that in the UK. That's gay, dude, 1701 01:46:34.560 --> 01:46:35.439 watch it on YouTube. 1702 01:46:35.479 --> 01:46:38.880 Let's see it was in the Woodeny day of filming. 1703 01:46:39.279 --> 01:46:41.800 That's a trailer. I want to watch. The actual thing 1704 01:46:51.119 --> 01:46:52.359 is it on Apple TV. 1705 01:46:56.840 --> 01:47:06.159 Okay, it was an ordinary day of filming until it wasn't. 1706 01:47:07.600 --> 01:47:10.000 We need ambulance to possible facials. 1707 01:47:10.159 --> 01:47:12.880 A shocking turn of events. I've never filmed anything like 1708 01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:17.920 this before, with an unbelievable ending, twisted sisters, madness and manslaughter. 1709 01:47:19.760 --> 01:47:23.399 Okay, it looks like I could find that via Apple. 1710 01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:28.319 So it's a two part part two. Appreciate that. I'll 1711 01:47:28.359 --> 01:47:32.079 definitely watch that, and we need to go back and read. 1712 01:47:32.199 --> 01:47:34.199 I wonder if you get away with doing part one, 1713 01:47:35.079 --> 01:47:38.000 or if the BBC will or it's maybe it's not BBC, 1714 01:47:38.119 --> 01:47:40.640 it's like Channel one or whatever. Will they copyright strike it? 1715 01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:44.520 I don't know. This looks like some random channel that 1716 01:47:44.640 --> 01:47:46.479 put it up, so maybe you get away with it. 1717 01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:53.640 Dire Wires says Jay. What oh, I just went away? 1718 01:47:53.680 --> 01:48:00.560 Where to go? What do you think about? To be Mac? 1719 01:48:01.800 --> 01:48:04.319 What about Grits I used to love? I don't really, 1720 01:48:04.600 --> 01:48:06.359 I mean Toby Mack was kind of corny to me, 1721 01:48:07.000 --> 01:48:12.439 but I did like Grits songs ooh my life be 1722 01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:17.960 like ooh. But uh, I don't know anything about I mean, 1723 01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:22.319 I know that the DC talk the black Dude got 1724 01:48:22.359 --> 01:48:25.800 in trouble for trying to hump everybody, But I don't 1725 01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:28.600 know anything about Toby mac do Cevsky two dollars, thank 1726 01:48:28.640 --> 01:48:33.159 you for everything, You're special. Toby Mack's the original Christian wiger. Dude, 1727 01:48:33.920 --> 01:48:36.439 that's a unique little subgenre of the wigger. 1728 01:48:36.520 --> 01:48:36.640 Bro. 1729 01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:39.520 You got the dang mainstream wigger, and then you got 1730 01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:43.199 like a Christian wiger, uh sort of ethos, kind of 1731 01:48:43.239 --> 01:48:45.640 its own little nishe you know what I'm saying, And 1732 01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:53.039 that's Toby Matt right there, y'all listen to the o 1733 01:48:53.239 --> 01:48:56.079 C super Tones right now, do Cvski, Thank you everything, 1734 01:48:56.119 --> 01:49:01.159 You're special, Thank you, uh special special ed fire Walt 1735 01:49:01.199 --> 01:49:03.640 with me ten dollars. Crisis Risen Jay, thank you indeed 1736 01:49:03.680 --> 01:49:07.800 he is. Thank you, world des five dollars. It's a 1737 01:49:07.840 --> 01:49:12.199 funny thing to ask Baptists, especially Baptist pastors, if John 1738 01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:14.720 the Baptist is actually the denomination. Most of them will 1739 01:49:14.760 --> 01:49:18.359 say yes, yeah, that's the trail of blood theology, which 1740 01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:24.279 is it's funny in the film five dollars. Did you 1741 01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:27.720 see Russell Brand's new book and Griff It's promoted on Tucker. 1742 01:49:27.800 --> 01:49:31.279 He would fit right in with online Protestant business church group. 1743 01:49:31.720 --> 01:49:34.079 I saw you had a book with a cross that 1744 01:49:34.279 --> 01:49:38.640 was house flies, and I'm like, what in the heck 1745 01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:49.720 is that dude? Pashanami, what's up? Became a member Sterling 1746 01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:54.159 five dollars, Thank you, Redbrook ten dollars. Some of my 1747 01:49:54.239 --> 01:49:57.159 family are evangelical, I'm Orthodox. How do I speak and 1748 01:49:57.279 --> 01:50:00.159 have the conversations with those that are not? Like we 1749 01:50:00.199 --> 01:50:05.680 said earlier in the dream, I would say, just give 1750 01:50:05.720 --> 01:50:08.640 them a book, tell me watch this documentary. Don't aggressively 1751 01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:12.920 try to argue with him. Take a passive sort of approach, 1752 01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:19.560 not passive aggressive passive. Adam Bingo is thus an Islamic 1753 01:50:19.680 --> 01:50:24.960 dog whistle. Yes, apparently my life youlike is a great song. 1754 01:50:26.239 --> 01:50:29.880 Good fortune to you on next conquest against the Islamianity. 1755 01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:35.560 Heretics Scorpio ten dollars, Thank you so much. Read Schnoby 1756 01:50:35.560 --> 01:50:39.640 five dollars. Daily Wires trash. But the movie that What 1757 01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:41.880 Is a Woman? Is gold? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure 1758 01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:46.920 that they have some good content. It dropped at the 1759 01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:54.239 right time. Read Schnobi one year on two month subscription 1760 01:50:56.840 --> 01:51:00.760 day Jire eight dollars. Watching Lutherans dance around the concord 1761 01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:05.319 but not being equal to scripture but totally authoritative. Yeah, 1762 01:51:05.439 --> 01:51:07.640 I mean it pretty much is the same with all 1763 01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:11.319 all the Protestant confessions. It ends up being the same 1764 01:51:11.920 --> 01:51:17.880 circle crash meta religion ten dollars. David Wood treated Jay 1765 01:51:17.960 --> 01:51:20.079 very harshly, even though Jay says he likes God, logic, 1766 01:51:20.159 --> 01:51:22.880 IP and et cetera. Disagree with somebody doesn't mean that 1767 01:51:22.920 --> 01:51:25.079 you dislike them. They make it personal. Well, I mean, 1768 01:51:25.119 --> 01:51:28.479 that's all they had to rely on as a character assassination. 1769 01:51:28.920 --> 01:51:31.640 So they're just David Wood that holds through. They're dislike 1770 01:51:31.640 --> 01:51:36.319 the Muslims. And David Wood's going to debate Andrew about me, 1771 01:51:37.039 --> 01:51:40.399 but won't debate me about his fake church. I'll p 1772 01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:43.760 n a five dollars me at Smoothie King, I'll take 1773 01:51:43.840 --> 01:51:49.439 one shake, even dire, please exactly easy on the muta 1774 01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:52.880 with the Shia tonight. And he says the same thing. 1775 01:51:57.319 --> 01:52:00.319 Beef Salt says a lot of wiggery going on at 1776 01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:07.239 Ruslan's Rhythm charge Kyle Bircher, Kyler Birch, fifty dollars, thank you. Unfortunately, 1777 01:52:07.279 --> 01:52:10.079 all of this is pride. If truth isn't a person, 1778 01:52:10.239 --> 01:52:12.479 but it's a bunch of propositions that you pick and choose, 1779 01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:16.239 then Christianity stops being relational, even though evangelicals always speak 1780 01:52:16.279 --> 01:52:18.720 of it. In this ye, this relational way becomes a 1781 01:52:18.760 --> 01:52:21.199 spiritual analytical philosophy where every man is just his own 1782 01:52:21.239 --> 01:52:24.239 Guru and those humility dies exactly and no better example 1783 01:52:24.239 --> 01:52:31.680 than Calvinism most wanted. I've been attending Orthodox letter, know 1784 01:52:31.760 --> 01:52:33.680 we read that. Excuse me, TINGU fifty dollars, Thank you 1785 01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:35.960 so much, gotta go, thank you for the call. Much 1786 01:52:36.039 --> 01:52:38.239 love Jay Jamie in the chat, thank you tingou much, 1787 01:52:38.279 --> 01:52:42.800 appreciate it. Alf Sceneric five dollars. Cooin a is the 1788 01:52:42.840 --> 01:52:45.800 best language flash five dollars. Dude, you gotta watch part 1789 01:52:45.840 --> 01:52:51.399 two of Ruslan's conversation with the Oriental Orthodox that he uploaded. 1790 01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:55.039 It's actually a bloodbath. He is a fallacy machine gun. 1791 01:52:55.199 --> 01:52:57.560 I don't doubt it because when I debated Ruslan in 1792 01:52:57.680 --> 01:53:00.560 the second half of that interview that he put it 1793 01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:04.760 behind a paywall, it was a bloodbath. And I mean 1794 01:53:04.960 --> 01:53:08.560 I'm like, literally, like four times in a row, I'm rouselon, 1795 01:53:08.640 --> 01:53:12.600 that's a fallacy. And it doesn't even register with him. 1796 01:53:12.640 --> 01:53:20.159 He's like, so Alpina is Orthodoxy the least subverted sect. Well, 1797 01:53:20.199 --> 01:53:22.640 I believe the promise of the of Christ of the church. 1798 01:53:22.720 --> 01:53:26.199 So yeah, but that doesn't mean that there's no subversion Orthodoxy. 1799 01:53:26.279 --> 01:53:29.439 Absolutely there is. That you have giant the entire Jesuit 1800 01:53:29.600 --> 01:53:35.640 universities like fordom dedicated to subverting Orthodoxy. And by the way, 1801 01:53:36.000 --> 01:53:39.479 David Wood is a graduate of Ford. Him luise five dollars. 1802 01:53:39.520 --> 01:53:41.000 Do you have a video explaining the prose of you 1803 01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:45.479 on music and movies thinking they're bad or clothing with 1804 01:53:45.680 --> 01:53:50.039 skulls is bad? You mean like death to the world. 1805 01:53:52.760 --> 01:53:52.880 Uh. 1806 01:53:53.039 --> 01:53:56.119 I think a lot of Protestants are just superstitious when 1807 01:53:56.159 --> 01:54:04.279 it comes to symbology, and they act like ritual magic goobers, 1808 01:54:04.720 --> 01:54:09.399 and they think that like a skull is necessarily automatically satanic. 1809 01:54:09.479 --> 01:54:13.640 I mean, it's retarded. So they're just doing a version 1810 01:54:13.680 --> 01:54:17.800 of word concept fallacy. But with symbols, it's like when 1811 01:54:18.439 --> 01:54:23.680 you know, Baptist Grandma says, I saint the icon and 1812 01:54:23.800 --> 01:54:28.279 it had a halo. That's a the Hindu Sun God imagery. 1813 01:54:29.119 --> 01:54:34.079 It's like it's signifying the uncreated energies, deifying the saint. 1814 01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:39.600 It's the uncreated light. It's not the Sun God, but 1815 01:54:39.760 --> 01:54:42.079 I saint the Hindu thing that was the Sun God. 1816 01:54:42.199 --> 01:54:44.640 The same thing. Yeah, but They're not the same thing. 1817 01:54:44.640 --> 01:54:49.960 They're different, Big boy ten dollars. The strategy of calling 1818 01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:54.159 all the author bros evil Islamists is so hilariously short sighted. Yeah, 1819 01:54:54.159 --> 01:54:55.399 I don't think it's going to work the long run. 1820 01:54:55.880 --> 01:54:58.359 People will just see all the Muslim debates and immediately 1821 01:54:58.439 --> 01:55:01.800 know that all the Zyobros are US pathetic liars. Absolutely. 1822 01:55:02.479 --> 01:55:04.279 Why would I have debated all the top Muslims and 1823 01:55:04.479 --> 01:55:10.359 gone on podcasts with Ridwan and would debunking Islam as 1824 01:55:10.399 --> 01:55:14.079 a Muslim collaborator. It's just so stupid. But but again, 1825 01:55:14.720 --> 01:55:20.600 they are actually relying on their eighty IQ Muslim convert audience, right, 1826 01:55:21.119 --> 01:55:24.159 That's that's who they're talking They're not talking to Orthobros. 1827 01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:30.840 They're shoring up their cult against us. In their cult, 1828 01:55:32.039 --> 01:55:36.520 just like Christian Prince's army of ad Iq Muslim converts. 1829 01:55:37.800 --> 01:55:40.960 They don't think in terms of fallacies and argumentation. They 1830 01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:47.039 think in emotion. They're emo, So they respond to what 1831 01:55:47.520 --> 01:55:51.000 wh do the Dieter share that Muslim correct? That mean 1832 01:55:51.119 --> 01:55:55.600 hi Muslim? Jay Diner said, Muslim correct Muslim. It's so stupid. 1833 01:55:55.640 --> 01:55:59.800 It's like you're but you're talking to people that are 1834 01:55:59.840 --> 01:56:04.359 like Noah says Schrodinger's a humanism. Protestants only view Orthodox 1835 01:56:04.399 --> 01:56:09.520 as Christians if the Orthodox isn't attacking Protestant doctrine. Exactly right, 1836 01:56:11.680 --> 01:56:16.119 that's why there's That's, as Cleve pointed out, that's why 1837 01:56:16.159 --> 01:56:22.760 they're not attacking Orthodoxy. They're attacking Orthobros. But in reality 1838 01:56:22.920 --> 01:56:28.680 they just disagree with Orthodoxy. Zombie twenty dollars. I listened 1839 01:56:28.720 --> 01:56:32.199 to the dude named Alton Johnson of the Black Dude. Yeah, 1840 01:56:32.199 --> 01:56:33.680 I try to get him the debate. You wouldn't come 1841 01:56:33.720 --> 01:56:36.920 do it. He is the black dude on X that 1842 01:56:37.039 --> 01:56:40.720 has the laser eyes PfP yep. He and gay p 1843 01:56:40.960 --> 01:56:44.600 spent an hour tone policing and crying about the words 1844 01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:52.000 that were used. JP said the same thing that Rouselin said. 1845 01:56:52.479 --> 01:56:56.680 Jay has to repent. Yeah, exactly, like I'm going to 1846 01:56:56.760 --> 01:57:01.000 repent to these dudes. This is so gay. Notice like 1847 01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:06.479 they don't believe in confession to a priest, even though 1848 01:57:06.479 --> 01:57:10.159 they bring a schismatic priest on their dumb show. And 1849 01:57:10.279 --> 01:57:13.960 then rouselm demands that I publicly repent to him. I thought, 1850 01:57:14.000 --> 01:57:19.880 you don't believe in confession to people. MKG thirty dollars. 1851 01:57:19.960 --> 01:57:22.479 You have many in your corner. Our prayers are with you. 1852 01:57:22.600 --> 01:57:26.159 Thank you, John. Five dollars. You are killing it. They 1853 01:57:26.199 --> 01:57:30.840 won't debate you make a chat GPD version of Hess 1854 01:57:31.479 --> 01:57:33.760 to debate you just for shits and googles. Who's Hess? 1855 01:57:35.800 --> 01:57:40.239 Rudolph hes mkg forty dollars. What is true piety? It 1856 01:57:40.399 --> 01:57:44.920 is how well you can signal it on Twitter. That's 1857 01:57:44.960 --> 01:57:48.920 true piety. Spit on the West two dollars. In eighteen hundred, 1858 01:57:49.000 --> 01:57:57.520 Jonathan Edwards John Edwards, John Edwards became their bishop. Who's they? 1859 01:57:57.600 --> 01:58:03.600 Who's John Edwards? You mean Jonathan Edwards the Puritan nowadays 1860 01:58:03.640 --> 01:58:08.640 of ten dollars? Don't think agreeing with a Muslim? Do 1861 01:58:08.720 --> 01:58:10.800 you not think agreeing with a Muslim will give them 1862 01:58:11.479 --> 01:58:12.239 enemy power? 1863 01:58:12.680 --> 01:58:12.720 No? 1864 01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:18.880 I think it shows intellectual honesty. If Jake, the Muslim 1865 01:58:18.880 --> 01:58:24.640 metaphysician says that the Theophanes and Orthodox theology are uncreated, 1866 01:58:25.800 --> 01:58:31.079 that's correct. I'm not gonna say, no, Jake, you're wrong, 1867 01:58:31.239 --> 01:58:40.560 they're created because he's Muslim. This is so stupid. Anthony 1868 01:58:40.600 --> 01:58:44.119 fi dollars. What are your thoughts on Orthodox Christian academia. 1869 01:58:46.039 --> 01:58:52.680 You're not going to be welcome. I mean there's only 1870 01:58:52.840 --> 01:58:55.199 some certain sectors where you could probably get Like, if 1871 01:58:55.199 --> 01:59:02.279 you find some somewhat traditionalists Roman Catholic school, maybe you 1872 01:59:02.359 --> 01:59:09.399 could get through. I don't know, but I mean, I mean, 1873 01:59:09.439 --> 01:59:11.319 it was made clear to me in the two thousands 1874 01:59:11.640 --> 01:59:15.119 by the academic strata where I was trying to become 1875 01:59:15.119 --> 01:59:17.600 an academic. You're not going to be welcome here as 1876 01:59:17.640 --> 01:59:20.000 a straight white male. So you can do with that 1877 01:59:20.079 --> 01:59:26.079 what you want. Tingos as we're twenty dollars? Have you 1878 01:59:26.159 --> 01:59:30.079 covered Mike Winger? Idm Mike Winger. In fact, I tried 1879 01:59:30.119 --> 01:59:32.000 to get him a couple times to debate and he 1880 01:59:32.159 --> 01:59:34.760 ended up just blocking me so and he took huge 1881 01:59:34.760 --> 01:59:38.079 offense for me daring to offer to debate. You understand, 1882 01:59:38.119 --> 01:59:45.239 these people, they're so fragile and passive, aggressive, soy that 1883 01:59:45.600 --> 01:59:48.720 they lose their shit if you offer to debate them. 1884 01:59:54.720 --> 01:59:56.760 I used to watch Mike Winger and thought he was intelligent, 1885 01:59:57.239 --> 01:59:58.960 but I don't watch him anymore well, because he's not 1886 02:00:00.560 --> 02:00:05.479 needs world five dollars. In Genesis four eight, the Orthodox 1887 02:00:05.479 --> 02:00:10.039 Study Bible cites the Masoretic text. This makes it hard 1888 02:00:10.840 --> 02:00:14.680 to read the whne the notes of this of the 1889 02:00:14.720 --> 02:00:21.000 Study Bible citing the Masoretic So what Graham five dollars 1890 02:00:22.720 --> 02:00:29.479 Deep Doctor Cooper, five dollars, the pro Germanic Orthobro, Constantine 1891 02:00:30.359 --> 02:00:36.560 hated pop Christianity. What Who's are you talking about? Somebody today? 1892 02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:41.000 Are you talking about Constantine the Emperor? I don't know 1893 02:00:41.000 --> 02:00:41.720 what you're talking about. 1894 02:00:44.039 --> 02:00:44.680 Son of Salads? 1895 02:00:44.680 --> 02:00:56.319 Are five dollars? Keep pressure on these clowns. Okay, tweet 1896 02:00:56.319 --> 02:00:59.720 bomb ten dollars. No more of this charitable acumenism, No 1897 02:00:59.800 --> 02:01:06.239 more calling everybody Christians. It's only orthodox Yeat Fernando Wigxantium 1898 02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:10.920 Rising co Lob Wiggas. Ain't got nothing forgive your moms exactly, 1899 02:01:12.840 --> 02:01:17.119 Flavis twenty dollars. Hello, listeners, cringe core rap song slaps, 1900 02:01:17.319 --> 02:01:21.199 of course it does. It's great. They impressed me with 1901 02:01:21.479 --> 02:01:26.880 the song they came up with. And just just out 1902 02:01:26.920 --> 02:01:31.640 of putting pressure on these boys, let's play it just 1903 02:01:31.720 --> 02:01:37.520 in honor of Rouselin and Wigsantheum, We're gonna play our 1904 02:01:39.279 --> 02:01:43.760 prized rap discs once again. Y'all ready for it? Right here? 1905 02:01:45.920 --> 02:01:53.520 I need seven figures. I need seven figures, bro, I 1906 02:01:53.600 --> 02:01:55.680 got the following. I got twenty eight thousand, I got 1907 02:01:55.720 --> 02:01:59.600 to hundred thousand, exactly. How I'm monetizing speech, you know, 1908 02:01:59.680 --> 02:02:01.560 what I mean? How do I monetize? 1909 02:02:03.079 --> 02:02:06.600 I like the money and I like shoes. 1910 02:02:07.319 --> 02:02:10.760 How do I feel business? 1911 02:02:11.079 --> 02:02:15.680 I don't really care about how many from an Oriental 1912 02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:17.039 to a born rental wigger. 1913 02:02:17.119 --> 02:02:20.039 I'm I'm a Blusy's proud of stricts for every done 1914 02:02:20.119 --> 02:02:22.000 by my merchy is my ministry, my church. 1915 02:02:22.039 --> 02:02:22.720 I'm blessing God. 1916 02:02:23.159 --> 02:02:23.359 JD. 1917 02:02:23.439 --> 02:02:25.479 Please don't save me. I've been safer for a yard. 1918 02:02:26.239 --> 02:02:28.640 Heavy yady bitty wop. He got me fascinated. Do I 1919 02:02:28.760 --> 02:02:32.159 think my pride? It's my dude like MUFOSSI baby my testimony. 1920 02:02:32.279 --> 02:02:34.479 Get me money bat or watch walla. I'll be back 1921 02:02:34.520 --> 02:02:37.520 for my all super chance. Like I'm sure Senative, I 1922 02:02:37.680 --> 02:02:40.640 need to monetize you so fight Christians. I need some 1923 02:02:40.760 --> 02:02:43.720 money from them. That's my mission. And if I'm coming 1924 02:02:43.840 --> 02:02:46.720 up against real Christians, I run like hell not to 1925 02:02:46.840 --> 02:02:51.119 take in. Hey, Jay, don't make me play myself. I'm 1926 02:02:51.199 --> 02:02:54.479 here a ticket for the dinner. Bell this my meal ticket. 1927 02:02:54.520 --> 02:02:58.119 Please don't make me feel please, please please, bro. 1928 02:02:58.279 --> 02:03:00.319 I got the follow it, I got twenty eight I 1929 02:03:00.359 --> 02:03:01.920 got two eleven thousand on taketac. 1930 02:03:02.560 --> 02:03:04.039 How do I monetize this speech? 1931 02:03:04.279 --> 02:03:04.800 You know what I mean? 1932 02:03:05.239 --> 02:03:06.359 How do I monetize? 1933 02:03:07.840 --> 02:03:11.359 I like money and I like shoes. 1934 02:03:12.119 --> 02:03:16.720 How do I feel a business? I don't really care 1935 02:03:16.840 --> 02:03:21.560 about how many followers I have to I need seven figures. 1936 02:03:22.800 --> 02:03:26.119 By the way, those are all real rouselin quotes. Now 1937 02:03:26.199 --> 02:03:40.239 that's hello, listener, that's not me. Uh whosoever. Ten dollars? 1938 02:03:40.319 --> 02:03:42.800 What do you think about Little Season Revelation twenty? I 1939 02:03:42.840 --> 02:03:44.319 don't think about it because there's nothing to do with 1940 02:03:44.439 --> 02:03:48.840 Orthodox Christianity. Tip eight five dollars. Tyrants create the conditions 1941 02:03:48.880 --> 02:03:51.800 and impetus for revolution. The error papal supremacy of one 1942 02:03:51.840 --> 02:03:54.520 man holding absolute power was always going to produce the 1943 02:03:54.600 --> 02:03:58.640 aggrieved clergyman like Luther. Absolutely, this is what Saint Justin 1944 02:03:58.640 --> 02:04:02.000 Paplovitch says. The pope was the first Protestant, He made 1945 02:04:02.079 --> 02:04:04.479 himself a pope and then led to the personality cult 1946 02:04:04.560 --> 02:04:07.760 church which we see today. Absolutely vonder three dollars day. 1947 02:04:07.760 --> 02:04:10.079 I recently watched Mahon drive again, and maybe wonder the 1948 02:04:10.119 --> 02:04:14.039 elites have plans to make humans into pets. I think 1949 02:04:14.039 --> 02:04:27.000 they're already view it that way, but perhaps element to 1950 02:04:27.399 --> 02:04:32.560 de Vista, three dollars crisis risen. Why do the GOC 1951 02:04:32.800 --> 02:04:36.960 channels call rokor surgeon because their excuse me not it, 1952 02:04:37.159 --> 02:04:41.039 because they are tools of the CIA, even though they're 1953 02:04:41.039 --> 02:04:43.640 two done the knowe day. Jire No, we did that. 1954 02:04:46.319 --> 02:04:47.920 I got it. I'm starting to get a crick in 1955 02:04:48.000 --> 02:04:49.680 my neck. Dude, we get a We got to call 1956 02:04:49.720 --> 02:04:52.319 it a night soon. Let me make sure I get 1957 02:04:52.359 --> 02:04:55.920 all these up. JT says for five dollars, I'm currently 1958 02:04:56.000 --> 02:04:59.239 forcing my wife to watch your quasi Moto freestyle song 1959 02:04:59.279 --> 02:05:02.720 whilech she nurses our son. We are back good. That's 1960 02:05:02.760 --> 02:05:05.560 how we do it. This is how we do it. 1961 02:05:13.039 --> 02:05:21.680 I need seven figures. I need seven figures. Prairie Brother, 1962 02:05:22.239 --> 02:05:25.800 Prairie Ortho Bro. Three dollars. I went to my friend's 1963 02:05:25.880 --> 02:05:28.880 Roman Catholic service the other day. I thought I walked 1964 02:05:28.880 --> 02:05:32.079 into a Pentecostal church. I don't understand why Roman Catholics 1965 02:05:32.119 --> 02:05:35.079 don't get that liturgy is also theology. Well they've lost 1966 02:05:35.119 --> 02:05:37.039 the liturgy. That's what I'm trying to say is like 1967 02:05:37.960 --> 02:05:46.479 reverent masses are unfortunately not the norm anymore. Anonymous five dollars. 1968 02:05:46.600 --> 02:05:49.319 Jay are going to watch the Twisted Yoga? I think yes, 1969 02:05:49.439 --> 02:05:52.079 Jamie is gonna and I are gonna watch this documentary. 1970 02:05:52.119 --> 02:05:55.079 So yes, I've heard of this. I recommended it to 1971 02:05:55.199 --> 02:05:58.279 Jamie when she did her et phone ome stream. There's 1972 02:05:58.319 --> 02:06:01.640 a super demon Hindu pantry yoga cult. Yes, I've heard this. 1973 02:06:02.600 --> 02:06:04.880 Clap my cheeks from up on hot Well, that's what 1974 02:06:04.960 --> 02:06:09.079 that's all about, dude, Benson five dollars. Did you see 1975 02:06:09.079 --> 02:06:12.439 that Bob from Speaker's Corner is gonna talk to ap 1976 02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:16.800 about ecumenism. It's all piety signaling. Yep. Well, I had 1977 02:06:16.840 --> 02:06:19.640 a huge argument with Bob the Builder on Discord in 1978 02:06:19.760 --> 02:06:25.159 like twenty twenty because this whole thing is like church 1979 02:06:25.279 --> 02:06:32.720 doesn't matter, just debate the Muslims with apologetics. And I'm like, sorry, dude, 1980 02:06:32.720 --> 02:06:35.159 I like your you know, I like your idea of 1981 02:06:35.399 --> 02:06:39.600 doing apologetics, but you can't do apologetics without the church 1982 02:06:39.680 --> 02:06:43.920 and all these people want to do that, And I mean, 1983 02:06:44.079 --> 02:06:47.439 I don't even think Reridbond's orthodox. Kezy two dollars is 1984 02:06:47.560 --> 02:06:50.439 David Bentley hart Spook cooock Er Crook, I don't know, 1985 02:06:50.920 --> 02:06:55.199 but he's heterodox j ar quit wave ten dollars. Aw shit, 1986 02:06:55.239 --> 02:06:58.960 here we go again, yep. Every time what's up became 1987 02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:06.479 memember pro fo or ten dollars Mesi Ronaldo or Eric Cantona. Well, 1988 02:07:06.520 --> 02:07:10.319 I don't follow soccer, but because Eric Cantona used to 1989 02:07:10.359 --> 02:07:12.680 email me and DM me. We used to have some 1990 02:07:13.319 --> 02:07:15.000 theology because he used to be in a theology. Don't 1991 02:07:15.000 --> 02:07:15.920 know if he is now, but he used to be 1992 02:07:15.960 --> 02:07:19.960 in a theology. And when I had my old blog, 1993 02:07:21.159 --> 02:07:23.039 he started commenting and I was like, is that really 1994 02:07:23.159 --> 02:07:25.640 Eric Cantona? And then we started dming I think on 1995 02:07:25.760 --> 02:07:30.640 Facebook back in like two thousand and eight, and at 1996 02:07:30.680 --> 02:07:34.760 the time, if I recall, he was a Calvinist, but 1997 02:07:34.960 --> 02:07:40.119 he he found some of the arguments about sol scriptura 1998 02:07:40.439 --> 02:07:45.560 and all that kind of stuff somewhat interesting, maybe halfway 1999 02:07:45.640 --> 02:07:48.720 interested in it. And I mean we didn't talk a lot. 2000 02:07:48.840 --> 02:07:51.640 We probably had maybe I don't know, five or six 2001 02:07:52.039 --> 02:07:55.279 lengthy dms back and forth about the and he used 2002 02:07:55.279 --> 02:07:58.279 to comment on the blog. So I guess, out of 2003 02:07:58.319 --> 02:08:01.359 all those people, Eric Cantona, even though I don't know 2004 02:08:01.640 --> 02:08:08.760 anything about soccer players, so I don't know, I think 2005 02:08:08.800 --> 02:08:11.000 he was the first famous person on the Internet that 2006 02:08:11.079 --> 02:08:14.079 I ever interacted with. Groovey been in a twenty dollars 2007 02:08:14.079 --> 02:08:15.359 thank you for all the book revenation. Do you have 2008 02:08:15.399 --> 02:08:19.479 any recommendation regarding baptism or the gifts, Holy Spirit and tongues. 2009 02:08:20.079 --> 02:08:24.840 I mean, we've done several videos de blinking charismaticism, orthodoxy 2010 02:08:24.880 --> 02:08:28.520 in the Religion the Future debunks it. I'm being hurt 2011 02:08:28.600 --> 02:08:35.000 since Serious, absolutely one or percent Serious used to I 2012 02:08:35.079 --> 02:08:36.560 mean we were weren't talking on the phone. It's not 2013 02:08:36.680 --> 02:08:39.119 like I've had like hours of conversation with their cantona, 2014 02:08:39.239 --> 02:08:46.239 but like it was just like uh dms and website comments. 2015 02:08:46.279 --> 02:08:51.439 He was a pretty every he was an occasional commenter 2016 02:08:51.560 --> 02:08:56.840 on my old blog, and it was really him and 2017 02:08:56.920 --> 02:08:59.960 we had some I can't remember his Facebook or emails 2018 02:09:00.079 --> 02:09:10.000 back and forth back in the day, but let me 2019 02:09:10.039 --> 02:09:20.039 see if there's h He also might have found the 2020 02:09:20.680 --> 02:09:24.640 the movie stuff interesting too, because he was in uh, 2021 02:09:27.479 --> 02:09:30.640 the Elizabeth movie. Doesn't he play a jesuit assassin in 2022 02:09:30.720 --> 02:09:40.960 the movie Eric Kenton Erica. 2023 02:09:49.319 --> 02:10:00.279 H h. 2024 02:10:04.760 --> 02:10:16.640 H maybe he uh, maybe he kept that private. Let's 2025 02:10:16.640 --> 02:10:29.960 see what this is about. What the hell is that about? Yeah, 2026 02:10:30.000 --> 02:10:31.680 there doesn't It doesn't look like there's a lot of 2027 02:10:31.760 --> 02:10:45.920 public stuff about any of his religious beliefs. Maybe he 2028 02:10:46.039 --> 02:10:48.119 just kept it private. But I mean I do remember 2029 02:10:48.199 --> 02:10:53.640 him specifically saying that he found Calvinism convincing, but maybe 2030 02:10:53.680 --> 02:10:57.159 maybe it was a passing intellectual interest or I don't know, 2031 02:10:57.560 --> 02:11:04.920 but uh, we did have that conversation. I'm not lying. 2032 02:11:05.239 --> 02:11:09.159 Why would I lie about that? I don't know anything 2033 02:11:09.199 --> 02:11:12.880 about soccer, Like I'm gonna just make up some random 2034 02:11:13.319 --> 02:11:16.560 Oh yes, I talked to a random of soccer player, like, 2035 02:11:20.439 --> 02:11:27.000 I don't need to make up wisely, that's just a retarded, 2036 02:11:28.920 --> 02:11:32.680 nonsense lie. So I don't appreciate being called liar either. 2037 02:11:32.680 --> 02:11:34.439 Would you don't have You don't have any basis to 2038 02:11:34.520 --> 02:11:42.119 think or say that I'm lying. You missed my super chat? 2039 02:11:42.319 --> 02:11:49.079 Uh the palma gravy banana twenty dollars? Tank you for 2040 02:11:49.079 --> 02:11:51.159 the book recommendation? Do you have any recommendation reguardy baptism? 2041 02:11:51.199 --> 02:11:53.399 What we did that one basil? Five dollars? 2042 02:11:53.479 --> 02:11:53.640 Jay? 2043 02:11:53.720 --> 02:12:00.640 Would you or Andrew or any other people? Wait? Group? 2044 02:12:00.960 --> 02:12:04.560 Make a media group? Yeah, just make a media group. 2045 02:12:04.640 --> 02:12:08.279 I mean, Bro, that takes like Daily Wire was hundreds 2046 02:12:08.279 --> 02:12:11.720 of millions of dollars. Bro Charles says for ten dollars. 2047 02:12:11.760 --> 02:12:15.479 They twerk in at Rhythm Church. Absolutely about the palma 2048 02:12:15.560 --> 02:12:17.479 ten dollars? Jay, I hope you're well. Could you give 2049 02:12:17.520 --> 02:12:23.279 me thoughts on the bulgate? I mean it was the 2050 02:12:23.399 --> 02:12:27.439 normative Bible for the Latin Church for a good while, 2051 02:12:29.640 --> 02:12:32.399 but I don't. It's not the normative Church or Bible 2052 02:12:32.439 --> 02:12:36.199 for the Orthodox Church. So I don't. I don't really 2053 02:12:36.239 --> 02:12:37.000 have much to say, and. 2054 02:12:37.600 --> 02:12:38.000 No, I'm not. 2055 02:12:39.640 --> 02:12:43.039 I don't have any videos on it. By the way, 2056 02:12:44.279 --> 02:12:46.399 people say, why didn't you reach out to God Logic. 2057 02:12:46.680 --> 02:12:49.560 I mean, so we had several of our friends already 2058 02:12:49.640 --> 02:12:51.840 friends with God Logic who've been trying to kind of 2059 02:12:51.880 --> 02:12:55.000 sway him in the direction of Orthodoxy for a long time. 2060 02:12:55.800 --> 02:12:58.560 And when I asked God Logic a few weeks ago 2061 02:12:58.560 --> 02:13:01.199 if he wanted to do a debate, uh, he said no, 2062 02:13:01.319 --> 02:13:04.880 he's not interested in that, which is fine. But it's like, okay, 2063 02:13:04.880 --> 02:13:08.520 then why are you're sending people to synagogues. It doesn't 2064 02:13:08.520 --> 02:13:12.199 make any sense. So, Hank Williams sindar j What do 2065 02:13:12.199 --> 02:13:16.399 you think about Americanism? They took over MAGA the Boomers. 2066 02:13:16.439 --> 02:13:18.760 They believe in dispensationism. They have no idea what it 2067 02:13:18.880 --> 02:13:21.760 is or I mean, you know what I think. Why 2068 02:13:21.800 --> 02:13:24.920 do you think I've been I'm the godfather of boomer jokes. 2069 02:13:25.000 --> 02:13:28.960 I was making boomer jokes in twenty eleven before anybody 2070 02:13:29.000 --> 02:13:31.479 made boomer jokes. I wrote an essay that went viral. 2071 02:13:32.159 --> 02:13:35.760 I am the father of boomer jokes. So that's how 2072 02:13:36.159 --> 02:13:39.159 that's what I think, Coco bro fight dollars. Do you 2073 02:13:39.239 --> 02:13:42.119 have any book recommendations for an orthodox type of mere 2074 02:13:42.199 --> 02:13:43.560 Christianity like C. S. Lewis. 2075 02:13:43.640 --> 02:13:43.680 No. 2076 02:13:43.800 --> 02:13:46.800 In fact, although I love C. S. Lewis, this is 2077 02:13:46.880 --> 02:13:49.199 unfortunately one of the terrible things that C. S. Lewis 2078 02:13:49.239 --> 02:13:52.840 did was contributed to the idea of a lowest common 2079 02:13:52.880 --> 02:13:56.640 denominator Christianity, which is the mindset of all these goofball 2080 02:13:56.800 --> 02:14:04.039 so called apologists. They all have the mindset that there 2081 02:14:04.119 --> 02:14:08.479 is there is no mere Christianity, there is no Oh, 2082 02:14:08.560 --> 02:14:10.479 you just have these five things and that's the no 2083 02:14:10.560 --> 02:14:14.119 that that's a Protestant idea. I'm trying to find a 2084 02:14:14.199 --> 02:14:21.359 clean way to explain the totality to an agnostic cultural Hindu. No, 2085 02:14:21.479 --> 02:14:23.159 you don't want to give them CS list. I mean 2086 02:14:24.840 --> 02:14:34.920 for a Hindu. I mean it's something more like maybe 2087 02:14:35.039 --> 02:14:45.079 something like Jason Lyles's book on tag I mean, that's 2088 02:14:45.079 --> 02:14:46.840 the only thing I could even think of that might work. 2089 02:14:48.479 --> 02:14:59.680 I don't know, Like again, all of you people don't 2090 02:14:59.720 --> 02:15:06.840 underst and like there is no Christianity that is churchless, 2091 02:15:07.600 --> 02:15:22.359 it doesn't exist. God Logic has already said he doesn't 2092 02:15:22.399 --> 02:15:24.720 want to do a debate like. He said that personally 2093 02:15:24.760 --> 02:15:31.800 to me, Will you make a debate course like your 2094 02:15:31.800 --> 02:15:35.439 philosophy course. Probably not, because it's so forever to make 2095 02:15:35.479 --> 02:15:40.760 that debate course. That's why it's expensive. Which, by the way, 2096 02:15:40.800 --> 02:15:42.920 you can still get the debate course. It's in the 2097 02:15:42.920 --> 02:15:48.680 show description. It's at the autonomy Agora marketplace link. You 2098 02:15:48.720 --> 02:15:50.399 can get the philosophy course there. You can also head 2099 02:15:50.479 --> 02:15:53.079 order to chalk dot com choq dot com, the best 2100 02:15:53.079 --> 02:15:55.880 and supplementation on the Internet, to get access to the 2101 02:15:55.960 --> 02:16:00.399 best supplements out there using the promo code JYCX zero 2102 02:16:00.560 --> 02:16:03.319 l A f E J sixty life. I don't know 2103 02:16:03.319 --> 02:16:06.319 they're gonna get that male vitality sack. Do not be 2104 02:16:06.479 --> 02:16:12.319 a passive aggressive evangelic fish become a toxic masculinity evil 2105 02:16:12.520 --> 02:16:16.159 orthobro Right there, Groovy says for twenty dollars, when I 2106 02:16:16.239 --> 02:16:20.840 say baptism, I'm asking about patal baptism. What makes physical 2107 02:16:20.960 --> 02:16:24.920 baptism special? Well, the creed says, there's only one baptism. 2108 02:16:25.199 --> 02:16:27.439 What do you mean what makes it special? It's only one, 2109 02:16:29.079 --> 02:16:32.760 one Lord, one faith. One baptism that's water baptism, and 2110 02:16:32.879 --> 02:16:35.680 Titus three the washing of the labor, regeneration. That's what 2111 02:16:35.799 --> 02:16:38.479 makes it special. This is hard for me to understand 2112 02:16:38.479 --> 02:16:42.719 as a Baptist. What's hard for you to understand? There's 2113 02:16:42.799 --> 02:16:47.159 not two baptisms. There's not a meaningless symbolic water one 2114 02:16:47.399 --> 02:16:51.479 and then a super spiritual, gnostic personal one. That's they're 2115 02:16:51.520 --> 02:16:57.360 the same. That's the easy answer. And by the way, 2116 02:16:57.440 --> 02:17:01.799 the Church always baptized infants. So your whole sacked is 2117 02:17:01.879 --> 02:17:07.600 created around a dumb rationalist George Fox, Roger Williams retard 2118 02:17:07.719 --> 02:17:11.440 set who thought that you have to be an adult 2119 02:17:11.520 --> 02:17:15.639 to be baptized. It was just dumb. The whole thing's dumb. 2120 02:17:17.719 --> 02:17:20.399 And the reason it's all collapsing is because, well, guess what, 2121 02:17:20.479 --> 02:17:23.120 we have this machine that puts all the world's information 2122 02:17:23.280 --> 02:17:26.680 right at your fingertips, which didn't exist before. So all 2123 02:17:26.719 --> 02:17:28.120 these dumb cults are falling away. 2124 02:17:28.520 --> 02:17:31.719 The hymnals disappeared, not thrown away, just moved to storage. 2125 02:17:31.879 --> 02:17:34.680 The projection screens were more flexible, pastors explained, easier to 2126 02:17:34.719 --> 02:17:37.559 teach new songs, easier to change things up. Then came 2127 02:17:37.639 --> 02:17:41.120 the crosses. Warren's training explicitly addressed this religious symbols could 2128 02:17:41.120 --> 02:17:43.280 be barriers. One prominent church in Michigan removed a fifty 2129 02:17:43.319 --> 02:17:45.920 year old stained glass window depicting Christ's crucifixion. The pastor 2130 02:17:45.920 --> 02:17:48.200 said it was too graphic for visitors children. The language changed. 2131 02:17:48.239 --> 02:17:51.440 Two sermons became messages or talks. The altar became the stage, 2132 02:17:51.520 --> 02:17:52.879 the sanctuary became the auditorium. 2133 02:17:53.079 --> 02:17:57.559 Yeah, but the Protestant world was already business church. Basically 2134 02:17:57.719 --> 02:17:59.319 even before this, it just got worse. 2135 02:18:00.200 --> 02:18:03.399 Stopped calling themselves pastors aunt they were led communicators or 2136 02:18:03.559 --> 02:18:07.680 vision casters. Sunday School became life development classes. Prayer meetings 2137 02:18:07.719 --> 02:18:11.360 became connection gatherings. Even communion got rebranded. One church in 2138 02:18:11.399 --> 02:18:14.079 Texas started calling it the Jesus Meal. Warren had written 2139 02:18:14.120 --> 02:18:15.120 in The Purpose Driven Church. 2140 02:18:16.319 --> 02:18:18.879 Groovy says, Basically, you're saying that the physical act of 2141 02:18:18.920 --> 02:18:21.920 baptism and spiritual baptism are the same. Yes, just like 2142 02:18:22.040 --> 02:18:25.879 the incarnation is the Divinity with the humanity. There's a 2143 02:18:25.920 --> 02:18:29.959 synergy there. The Holy Spirit is present at the waters, 2144 02:18:30.159 --> 02:18:32.959 just like he's over the waters in Genesis One. Guess 2145 02:18:33.000 --> 02:18:34.959 what in your new creation, the Holy spirits were really 2146 02:18:35.040 --> 02:18:38.399 present over the waters and your baptism. You're saying that 2147 02:18:38.479 --> 02:18:44.879 Baptists confuse and separate. That the confusion is baptisms baptists separating. Yes, correct. 2148 02:18:46.200 --> 02:18:49.399 That Saddleback was unashamedly a market driven church. He used 2149 02:18:49.479 --> 02:18:52.559 demographic studies. He surveyed the community. He discovered that unchurched 2150 02:18:52.559 --> 02:18:55.280 people's number one complaint was organ music, so Saddleback didn't 2151 02:18:55.360 --> 02:18:57.879 use organs. Churches following his model conducted their own surveys. 2152 02:18:58.000 --> 02:19:00.399 They hired consultants. It's the worship leader now called the 2153 02:19:00.479 --> 02:19:03.680 creative arts director, explained that him didn't fit their target demographic. 2154 02:19:03.840 --> 02:19:06.600 But I'm not the target demographic. She realized after forty 2155 02:19:06.600 --> 02:19:09.319 four years US America, the stories were eerily similar. A 2156 02:19:09.360 --> 02:19:11.399 church would launch forty Days of Purpose. The pastor would 2157 02:19:11.399 --> 02:19:14.879 attend the conference at Saddleback or Willow Creek. He'd return excited, energized, 2158 02:19:15.000 --> 02:19:17.760 talking about vision and reaching the next level. Changes would 2159 02:19:17.760 --> 02:19:20.239 accelerate traditional service at eight a m canceled due to 2160 02:19:20.319 --> 02:19:23.920 low attendance. Wednesday Night Prayer meeting replaced with seeker focused 2161 02:19:23.959 --> 02:19:27.440 small groups, annual hymn sing not strategic anymore. Those who 2162 02:19:27.520 --> 02:19:31.040 questioned the changes were labeled resistant, divisive stuck in the 2163 02:19:31.120 --> 02:19:34.040 past Pharisees. One pastor in Georgia sent a letter. 2164 02:19:33.959 --> 02:19:36.959 To Longue all the same stuff that these Geobers say 2165 02:19:37.000 --> 02:19:38.520 about the Orthoeros. 2166 02:19:38.079 --> 02:19:40.680 Time members who had expressed concerns. He wrote, if you 2167 02:19:40.760 --> 02:19:43.000 cannot support the vision God has given this church, it 2168 02:19:43.159 --> 02:19:45.000 might be time to ask him where he wants you 2169 02:19:45.040 --> 02:19:46.040 to worship. Translation. 2170 02:19:46.399 --> 02:19:46.600 Leave. 2171 02:19:46.840 --> 02:19:48.239 Warren had a term for this. He called it with 2172 02:19:48.319 --> 02:19:51.040 blessed subtraction. The phrase appeared in purpose driven church materials. 2173 02:19:51.200 --> 02:19:53.079 Warren taught that every church had people who resisted growth. 2174 02:19:53.159 --> 02:19:55.559 They preferred the church stay small. They valued tradition over 2175 02:19:55.639 --> 02:19:57.840 reaching the lost. When these people left, Warren explained it 2176 02:19:57.959 --> 02:20:00.079 was actually a blessing the church could move forward one 2177 02:20:00.159 --> 02:20:02.840 hindered hunt. One training video showed Warren explaining, well. 2178 02:20:02.840 --> 02:20:05.639 All these DIDs are always chunky too. I think the 2179 02:20:06.360 --> 02:20:10.040 new physiognomy criteria we should put that in place because 2180 02:20:10.040 --> 02:20:11.920 they make a lot of this stuff easier. Ef you 2181 02:20:12.040 --> 02:20:17.000 got double chins. If you're a chunkster, opinion immediately discarded. 2182 02:20:17.120 --> 02:20:19.040 Get to a room full of pastors. You've got to 2183 02:20:19.079 --> 02:20:21.440 be willing to let people leave, he said, even people 2184 02:20:21.479 --> 02:20:24.719 who have been there forever, even big givers. The audience applauded, 2185 02:20:24.840 --> 02:20:27.680 but on the ground, in actual churches, blessed subtraction looked different. 2186 02:20:27.840 --> 02:20:29.799 In Illinois, a church of six hundred shrank to two 2187 02:20:29.879 --> 02:20:32.399 hundred in eighteen months. The older members didn't leave because 2188 02:20:32.440 --> 02:20:34.879 they were resistant. They left because they literally couldn't hear. 2189 02:20:35.120 --> 02:20:37.360 The new sound system was designed for contemporary music and 2190 02:20:37.440 --> 02:20:39.879 sermon volumes that appealed to younger ears left elderly members 2191 02:20:39.959 --> 02:20:42.200 unable to follow along. In Florida, a couple who had 2192 02:20:42.239 --> 02:20:44.360 donated the land for their church building their family farm, 2193 02:20:44.600 --> 02:20:46.559 watched as the church board voted to sell the property 2194 02:20:46.600 --> 02:20:49.239 and relocate to a strip mall, more visible, better parking, 2195 02:20:49.520 --> 02:20:52.360 all closer to their striking demographic. The couple left, so 2196 02:20:52.520 --> 02:20:55.319 did forty percent of the congregation. One woman in Arkansas wrote, 2197 02:20:55.440 --> 02:20:57.520 I taught Sunday school for thirty one years. Then they 2198 02:20:57.559 --> 02:20:59.680 told me my style wasn't aligned with their new strategy. 2199 02:21:00.000 --> 02:21:02.479 They offered to retrain me using purpose driven materials. Like 2200 02:21:02.559 --> 02:21:05.680 everything I'd learned, everything I'd done, was worthless. But defenders 2201 02:21:05.680 --> 02:21:08.120 of the movement pointed to numbers. Some purpose driven churches 2202 02:21:08.159 --> 02:21:10.319 were exploding with growth. The question was what kind of growth, 2203 02:21:10.440 --> 02:21:12.719 and at what cost story one. Purpose driven churches were 2204 02:21:12.719 --> 02:21:16.479 succeeding attendants, up, baptisms, up, small groups, multiplying. Saddleback itself 2205 02:21:16.479 --> 02:21:18.600 had grown to twenty thousand weekly attendees by two thousand 2206 02:21:18.600 --> 02:21:18.799 and five. 2207 02:21:18.920 --> 02:21:22.120 Willo Creek was good grief, dude, twenty thousand and one 2208 02:21:22.639 --> 02:21:24.879 giant megachurch. That's crazy. 2209 02:21:26.280 --> 02:21:30.159 Members, multiple campuses. What they found challenged everything they'd been teaching. 2210 02:21:30.399 --> 02:21:35.079 Multiple campuses they called their church campuses. 2211 02:21:35.879 --> 02:21:38.040 The people who showed up for the contemporary services, the 2212 02:21:38.120 --> 02:21:41.440 seekers they'd redesigned everything to reach. They weren't growing spiritually. 2213 02:21:41.600 --> 02:21:43.959 They attended, they enjoyed the experience, but they weren't reading 2214 02:21:43.959 --> 02:21:46.840 their Bibles. They weren't praying. They weren't becoming disciples. Worse, 2215 02:21:46.959 --> 02:21:49.120 the most spiritually mature members, the ones who should have 2216 02:21:49.159 --> 02:21:51.920 been thriving, were the least satisfied with the church built again. 2217 02:21:52.040 --> 02:21:55.760 As we said earlier, here's my challenge to any of 2218 02:21:55.799 --> 02:22:03.200 these people in the eepologetics sphere. Find show me one parachurch, 2219 02:22:03.879 --> 02:22:09.040 church less apologist in the first thousand years. Show me 2220 02:22:09.159 --> 02:22:15.000 one church father, saint apologist, theologian who argues that you 2221 02:22:15.120 --> 02:22:21.040 can have apologetics without the church. Where's a churchless apologists 2222 02:22:22.280 --> 02:22:25.799 just name one. By the way, there was a baptisty 2223 02:22:25.840 --> 02:22:27.360 that was supposed to come to debate this and he 2224 02:22:27.399 --> 02:22:28.000 didn't show up. 2225 02:22:28.120 --> 02:22:36.920 Shocker Bibles. Willow Creek's founding pastor called it the wake 2226 02:22:37.000 --> 02:22:39.040 up call of my adult life. He actually said this 2227 02:22:39.399 --> 02:22:42.159 on stage, bought to thousands of pastors some of the 2228 02:22:42.200 --> 02:22:44.239 stuff that we have put millions of dollars into, thinking 2229 02:22:44.280 --> 02:22:46.479 it would really help our people grow and develop spiritually. 2230 02:22:46.639 --> 02:22:48.920 When the data actually came back, it wasn't helping people 2231 02:22:49.000 --> 02:22:51.399 that much. He went further, we made a mistake. The 2232 02:22:51.440 --> 02:22:55.239 study called Reveal found that church activities, the programs, the events, 2233 02:22:55.360 --> 02:22:58.479 the services designed to attract seekers had almost no correlation 2234 02:22:58.600 --> 02:23:00.600 with spiritual growth. People might come for the show, but 2235 02:23:00.639 --> 02:23:03.159 they weren't encountering God. Other research confirmed the pattern. A 2236 02:23:03.200 --> 02:23:05.719 study by the Hartford Institute found that seeker sensitive churches 2237 02:23:05.760 --> 02:23:08.559 had lower member retention rates than traditional liturgical churches. People 2238 02:23:08.600 --> 02:23:10.959 would attend for six months, maybe a year, then drift away. 2239 02:23:11.159 --> 02:23:13.520 The Southern Baptist Convention studied their purpose driven churches in 2240 02:23:13.600 --> 02:23:16.159 two thousand and eight. They found that while attendance initially spiked, 2241 02:23:16.280 --> 02:23:18.479 giving peer member dropped eighteen percent Follen. 2242 02:23:18.760 --> 02:23:21.559 Yeah, these megachurches, they found the style. Even in the 2243 02:23:21.959 --> 02:23:23.600 two thousands, they have a huge turnover. 2244 02:23:23.920 --> 02:23:27.680 Tiroism declined twenty three percent. Most telling, these churches were 2245 02:23:27.680 --> 02:23:30.879 conducting fewer baptisms per one hundred attendees than traditional Southern 2246 02:23:30.879 --> 02:23:35.319 Baptist congregations. One researcher called it spiritual consumerism. Churches had 2247 02:23:35.360 --> 02:23:37.840 become so focused on removing barriers that they'd removed the 2248 02:23:38.000 --> 02:23:41.360 very things that created commitment. No demands, no expectations, no cost, 2249 02:23:41.719 --> 02:23:43.639 just come enjoy the show and leave when something better 2250 02:23:43.680 --> 02:23:45.760 comes along. Even Warren's home state of California was seeing 2251 02:23:45.799 --> 02:23:48.200 the cracks. By twenty ten, several prominent purpose driven churches 2252 02:23:48.280 --> 02:23:49.879 had closed or merged due to financial problems. 2253 02:23:50.000 --> 02:23:53.319 But nothing compared they're closing copared to what would happen 2254 02:23:53.360 --> 02:23:54.719 at Settleback franchise. 2255 02:23:54.959 --> 02:23:56.879 Franchaws were out of business. 2256 02:23:56.719 --> 02:23:59.360 Itself for twenty years. Rick Warren taught pastors how to 2257 02:23:59.360 --> 02:24:02.479 build churches weren't dependent on personality. Don't build around the preacher, 2258 02:24:02.559 --> 02:24:05.719 he warned, build around the purpose. Then came twenty twenty two, 2259 02:24:05.959 --> 02:24:08.799 Warren announced his retirement after forty three years leading Saddleback. 2260 02:24:08.920 --> 02:24:11.559 He had handpicked his successor, a younger pastor named Andy 2261 02:24:11.600 --> 02:24:14.040 Wood from Echo Church in San Jose. The transition was 2262 02:24:14.120 --> 02:24:17.079 meticulously planned. Warren had been preparing for this moment for years. 2263 02:24:17.360 --> 02:24:20.159 It should have been seamless. It wasn't. Within months, Saddleback 2264 02:24:20.200 --> 02:24:22.079 was bleeding. Staff key leader who had served under Warren 2265 02:24:22.120 --> 02:24:24.600 for decades, quietly resigned. Attendants, which had already struggled to 2266 02:24:24.600 --> 02:24:27.200 recover from COVID, began dropping faster. Then came the earthquake 2267 02:24:27.239 --> 02:24:29.360 nobody saw coming. The Southern Baptist Convention voted to remove 2268 02:24:29.360 --> 02:24:32.440 Saddleback from fellowship. The issue Saddleback had ordained women as pastors, 2269 02:24:32.559 --> 02:24:35.040 including Warren's own wife, ky It violated. 2270 02:24:38.559 --> 02:24:41.559 Did they started ordaining as wyw I gush. 2271 02:24:41.440 --> 02:24:44.600 The spc's doctrinal statement. Warren appealed, He flew to the convention. 2272 02:24:44.920 --> 02:24:47.000 He gave an impassioned speech about the Great Commission being 2273 02:24:47.079 --> 02:24:48.440 more important than gender debates. 2274 02:24:48.680 --> 02:24:49.079 He lost. 2275 02:24:49.399 --> 02:24:51.920 The church that had taught four hundred thousand pastors how 2276 02:24:51.959 --> 02:24:55.559 to grow congregations was kicked out of America's largest Protestant denomination. 2277 02:24:55.840 --> 02:24:58.239 But that was yeah, and they're all about to die. Uh, 2278 02:24:59.520 --> 02:25:01.360 a slow death to the Orthodox Church. 2279 02:25:02.079 --> 02:25:05.040 Just the public drama behind the scenes. The reports were worse. 2280 02:25:05.280 --> 02:25:08.719 Staff members described a church in identity crisis without Warren's personality, 2281 02:25:08.840 --> 02:25:09.559 his vision, his. 2282 02:25:09.840 --> 02:25:13.159 Who are these e chicks that are in the stock 2283 02:25:13.200 --> 02:25:15.600 footage here? Like this stock footage is cracking me out. 2284 02:25:15.600 --> 02:25:21.479 Do you see that the uh Malaysian Asian girls earlier? 2285 02:25:21.719 --> 02:25:21.760 Like? 2286 02:25:21.879 --> 02:25:22.600 What did that have to do? 2287 02:25:22.879 --> 02:25:25.159 Think? The stock footage doesn't even match the AI. 2288 02:25:25.079 --> 02:25:28.280 Voice connections his presence. Saddleback didn't know what it was anymore. 2289 02:25:28.440 --> 02:25:30.799 The irony was brutal. Warren had spent decades warning against 2290 02:25:30.799 --> 02:25:31.840 personality driven ministry. 2291 02:25:32.639 --> 02:25:35.399 Uh, look at him at the Davos Dude, what a 2292 02:25:35.600 --> 02:25:38.559 phony dude this is. This should have been an immediate disqualifier. 2293 02:25:39.639 --> 02:25:43.520 The Council for Relations, fake ass pastor at Davos was brutal. 2294 02:25:43.680 --> 02:25:45.639 Warren had spent decades what is this. 2295 02:25:45.719 --> 02:25:53.559 Klaus Church, Saint Klaus Schwab. Sorry, Warren's a perfect minister 2296 02:25:53.680 --> 02:25:54.959 of the Corsper. 2297 02:25:54.959 --> 02:25:58.280 Of Davos against personality driven ministry. He'd written books about it, 2298 02:25:58.360 --> 02:26:00.840 created systems to prevent it, trained to build churches that 2299 02:26:00.840 --> 02:26:03.559 could outlast their founders. Yet Saddleback itself turned out to 2300 02:26:03.600 --> 02:26:07.159 be the ultimate personality driven church. Remove Rick Warren and 2301 02:26:07.239 --> 02:26:10.319 what remained a very expensive campus and a shrinking congregation 2302 02:26:10.399 --> 02:26:12.600 trying to remember why they were different from the dozen 2303 02:26:12.680 --> 02:26:16.280 other megachurches within driving distance. By twenty twenty four, reports 2304 02:26:16.280 --> 02:26:19.639 suggested Saddleback's attendants had dropped by nearly thirty percent since 2305 02:26:19.959 --> 02:26:25.079 danger Bleeding Warren's retirement. The church stopped publicly reporting numbers, 2306 02:26:25.319 --> 02:26:28.319 something Warren had always advocated for transparency and accountability. One 2307 02:26:28.360 --> 02:26:30.360 former staff member put it bluntly, we taught everyone else 2308 02:26:30.360 --> 02:26:32.399 how to build purpose driven churches, but when our purpose 2309 02:26:32.399 --> 02:26:34.559 walked out the door, we realized we'd been person driven 2310 02:26:34.600 --> 02:26:36.600 all along. Critics who had warned about the purpose driven 2311 02:26:36.639 --> 02:26:39.280 model for years felt no satisfaction. These weren't just numbers 2312 02:26:39.399 --> 02:26:43.040 or theories anymore. These were real congregations, real people, real pain, 2313 02:26:43.360 --> 02:26:46.520 which raised an uncomfortable question titit. This isn't a story 2314 02:26:46.520 --> 02:26:49.319 about whether Rick Warren was sincere. By all accounts he was. 2315 02:26:49.680 --> 02:26:52.159 When Purpose Driven Life became a best seller, Warren did 2316 02:26:52.239 --> 02:26:54.920 something unprecedented. He paid back his church twenty five years 2317 02:26:54.959 --> 02:26:57.719 of salary. He stopped taking any income from Saddleback. He 2318 02:26:57.840 --> 02:27:00.399 reversed tithed living on ten percent, and gave having away 2319 02:27:00.559 --> 02:27:03.319 ninety percent he and his wife Kay threw themselves into 2320 02:27:03.399 --> 02:27:04.639 causes that mattered AIDS. 2321 02:27:04.680 --> 02:27:08.440 Really yeah, right, who believes that? That's this old trick 2322 02:27:08.719 --> 02:27:15.879 where the church owns everything and the pastor doesn't own it, 2323 02:27:16.600 --> 02:27:19.000 but he's able to use and do whatever he wants. Right, 2324 02:27:19.120 --> 02:27:24.440 So like in it isn't Kenneth Copeland's giant mansion owned 2325 02:27:24.479 --> 02:27:26.760 by the church, right, This is a trick. 2326 02:27:26.879 --> 02:27:29.920 In Africa orphan care mental health advocacy, especially after their 2327 02:27:29.959 --> 02:27:31.520 son Matthew took his own life in the twenty thirteen. 2328 02:27:31.680 --> 02:27:33.840 Warren could have built a religious empire. Instead, he gave 2329 02:27:33.879 --> 02:27:36.280 away fortunes. This isn't about one man's motives. This is 2330 02:27:36.280 --> 02:27:38.520 about what happens when churches adopt corporate methods. The purpose 2331 02:27:38.559 --> 02:27:41.399 driven model treated church growth like market expansion. It segmented 2332 02:27:41.399 --> 02:27:45.239 audiences like consumer demographics. Funny, It removed barriers to entry 2333 02:27:45.360 --> 02:27:48.639 the way business is streamline purchasing. It measured success in attendance. 2334 02:27:49.440 --> 02:27:54.440 It's titled growth without compromise, and he eventually didn't. He 2335 02:27:54.520 --> 02:27:59.719 eventually capitulate to Skittle's marriage because Obama buddied up buddies 2336 02:27:59.719 --> 02:28:04.840 with us, and then his wife becomes a pastors. 2337 02:28:04.319 --> 02:28:07.120 In square footage the way corporations measure profit margins. But 2338 02:28:07.239 --> 02:28:10.879 churches aren't corporations, their communities. The hymns weren't just old songs, 2339 02:28:11.120 --> 02:28:12.440 they were the words mourners had sung it. 2340 02:28:12.680 --> 02:28:15.000 Yeah, I mean, there's no telling what he made from 2341 02:28:15.040 --> 02:28:18.200 that dumb book. So oh, he's not going to draw 2342 02:28:18.319 --> 02:28:22.120 a salary from the church after his dumb book probably 2343 02:28:22.120 --> 02:28:23.239 made him fifty million dollars. 2344 02:28:23.360 --> 02:28:26.040 Save sides, the liturgy wasn't empty ritual. It was the 2345 02:28:26.120 --> 02:28:29.319 rhythm that had carried believers through decades. The crosses weren't decorations, 2346 02:28:29.479 --> 02:28:31.559 they were reminders of why people gathered in the first place. 2347 02:28:31.760 --> 02:28:33.719 When you remove these things to appeal to seekers, you 2348 02:28:33.840 --> 02:28:35.520 tell the sort that they don't matter anymore. 2349 02:28:35.680 --> 02:28:37.879 What all right, that's enough of that. I can't take 2350 02:28:37.920 --> 02:28:41.079 this AI video anymore. There's a couple more that we 2351 02:28:41.159 --> 02:28:45.200 did get about the collapse of this. We'll get to 2352 02:28:45.280 --> 02:28:48.559 that next time. Shadow Man. Could you say baptism is 2353 02:28:48.600 --> 02:28:52.159 a manifestation of spiritual baptism. I don't know about manifestation. 2354 02:28:52.920 --> 02:28:57.479 That's they're united in synergy. The water and the uncreated 2355 02:28:57.600 --> 02:29:03.360 energies are what spiritually baptized you. It's in it's in 2356 02:29:03.479 --> 02:29:05.719 the baptismal liturgy all right,