Speaker 1: Oncet we cant worth actually than seven. But in the
Speaker 1: twenty tens we would have this argument. And this alone
Speaker 1: actually has converted a lot of people, and it's part
Speaker 1: of Ephesus. Yeah. Well, we want to see the entire
Speaker 1: letter of Cyril to Nestorius, and we want to see
Speaker 1: the line of argumentation that he has. All right, I
Speaker 1: can't read that script. It's funny. See if we can
Speaker 1: find a good copy. Okay, here we go. Maybe this
Speaker 1: will work. So the anathemas are attached at the end,
Speaker 1: and let me see if this has the full quote
Speaker 1: that I'm looking for here, because people don't realize that
Speaker 1: one of Cyril's biggest arguments is the Eucharist against Nestorias.
Speaker 2: H h m hm, h.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 1: He's going to argue that deification in the Eucharist refutes
Speaker 1: in the stories. I hate these screens. H. I don't
Speaker 1: think this is the full letter. This seems truncated. Let's see,
Speaker 1: is it. Well, maybe it's the wrong numbered letter. Let's see. Yah.
Speaker 1: H It's always a challenge, dude, to try to to
Speaker 1: find the freaking shaft version and list with what people
Speaker 1: have on their websites. This is this is a nightmare.
Speaker 1: It always happens. I think this is the first epistle.
Speaker 1: Let's see, by the way Cyril argues at the beginning
Speaker 1: that the faith comes before human interpersonal relations. So I
Speaker 1: hope we can find this. Let's see it is when
Speaker 1: he says, when our Savior says, let's see if this
Speaker 1: is it? Oh, I think this is it? Okay, so
Speaker 1: this should be. I keep having to switch glasses because
Speaker 1: I hate this freaking glare of the screen in my face.
Speaker 1: All right, following the declaration of the Holy Fathers, this
Speaker 1: is yeah, this is it okay. So notice here he
Speaker 1: says the Holy Synod in Rome and Great Rome with
Speaker 1: Pope Celestine, and he argues that the faith is more
Speaker 1: important than interpersonal relations. The right faith rejected and the
Speaker 1: flocks torn into pieces by thee, we ought to preserve them.
Speaker 1: If thou wert a lover of right doctrine, tracking the
Speaker 1: piety of the Holy Fathers, and all who have been
Speaker 1: by thy piety severed for the faith's sake, both late
Speaker 1: and cleric. So he's saying that together with Pope Celestine,
Speaker 1: they reject and anathematized Astorias. And he's going to talk
Speaker 1: about the line of argumentation to prove that. And he's
Speaker 1: going to say that we feed on the flesh of
Speaker 1: the god Man. And how could we feed on the
Speaker 1: flesh of the god Man if Nestorius is dual subject
Speaker 1: ristology was true and he was just some dude. He says,
Speaker 1: this is the faith of the Catholic Apostolic Church, and
Speaker 1: it anathematizes anyone who would say otherwise. I think it's
Speaker 1: right here. He assumed flesh and blood from the womb
Speaker 1: of the Virgin Mary, God by nature. And in truth,
Speaker 1: neither do we say the flesh was turned into the
Speaker 1: nature of the Godhead, nor that the inefftable nature of
Speaker 1: God the Word was born. Aside from the nature of flesh.
Speaker 1: It is unchangeable in invarying. So the divine essences in past.
Speaker 1: And he says, and thus as a babe in swaddling clothes,
Speaker 1: yet in the lap of the Virgin, the virgin bear him,
Speaker 1: he was filling creation as God while he was in
Speaker 1: the lap of the virgin, he says. And then he
Speaker 1: goes on to say, here it's hard to tell where
Speaker 1: this argument actually starts. We will necessarily add this also,
Speaker 1: this is it right here? Here's the main point. He says,
Speaker 1: declaring the death in the flesh of the only gotten
Speaker 1: Son of God, that is Christ confession, that confession that
Speaker 1: he lives again from the dead. We celebrate the unbloody
Speaker 1: service of some translations say sacrifice. This is the Eucharist.
Speaker 1: And thus we approach the mystical blessings. They're sanctified, and
Speaker 1: we are render partakers of His holy flesh and blood.
Speaker 1: Not as though receiving the flesh God forbid of some
Speaker 1: man connected with the Word by a unity of dignity
Speaker 1: that's in the Storian position, or as a divine in dwelling,
Speaker 1: but as truly quickening deification the flesh of the Word himself.
Speaker 1: For by being by nature God, since he became one
Speaker 1: with his own flesh, he rendered the flesh to be
Speaker 1: life giving. That's the uncreated energies, that's the real presence.
Speaker 1: And by the way, elsewhere he argues in it for
Speaker 1: the energies explicitly barely, I say unto you, except you
Speaker 1: eat the flesh of the Son of Man, to drink
Speaker 1: his blood, you will not have life. Thus, truly he
Speaker 1: has become our flesh, and is called son of Man.
Speaker 1: In other words, he's saying, if Jesus was not the
Speaker 1: The flesh of Christ is another deified flesh of the
Speaker 1: Son of God. Then you're eating the flesh of some man,
Speaker 1: which would be cannibalism and which could not save you.
Speaker 1: So deification proves, according to Saint Cyril, that Christ is
Speaker 1: a divine hypostasis of the sole subject of all the
Speaker 1: incarnate actions. And then he makes these same arguments in
Speaker 1: the Anathemas from the Eucharist, where he says that consuming
Speaker 1: some man wouldn't save us, but consuming the flesh of
Speaker 1: the God Man would save us. And thus he says,
Speaker 1: the Eucharist refutes Nestorius Anathema twelve says, if anyone does
Speaker 1: not confess that God the word suffered in the flesh
Speaker 1: has been crucified into the flesh, taste of death, of
Speaker 1: flesh has been made first born of the dead. Inasmuch
Speaker 1: as he is life and life giving, let him be anathema.
Speaker 1: That's in the context of the Eucharist what he calls
Speaker 1: the sacrifice. So his flesh is life giving flesh. So
Speaker 1: here you can read the letters for yourself, and there's
Speaker 1: more in there, it's just hard to find it. From
Speaker 1: the Chaft version to the online version. But there's the
Speaker 1: letter with the anathemas, and you'll see that, Oh that's
Speaker 1: not Protestant at all. Cyril's actually making liturgical arguments against mystorias.
Speaker 1: You ever heard of Protestant making a liturgical argument against anybody?
Speaker 1: How does that not write there show you that Protestants
Speaker 1: do not have the faith. I'm not saying they're not
Speaker 1: sincere it's not a question of it. You can be
Speaker 1: sincerely wrong. The question is do they have the faith.
Speaker 1: The faith is not I believe in jus, that's not
Speaker 1: the faith. You have that belief in your head. But
Speaker 1: the faith is the faith. Once we're all delivered to
Speaker 1: the Saints, the faith confessed that. And I see a
Speaker 1: conspicus calcedon trollo and I see two and so G
Speaker 1: what's up dude? Yo?
Speaker 4: J you know that Israel fell into error? Right, I'm
Speaker 4: just I'm totally joke.
Speaker 5: No genuine question here for for for someone who has
Speaker 5: landed at the position that prostism is not the faith
Speaker 5: kind of like you just said, our soul scripture that
Speaker 5: just has no grounds but is not uh clear on
Speaker 5: like east or west, for for example, would to say
Speaker 5: getting clear on the filial quick and the papacy should
Speaker 5: be like primary as next steps.
Speaker 1: Or like what would you say to that? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the easiest route, if you wanted a quick route,
Speaker 1: would be to go to my website and read the
Speaker 1: Ecumenical Canons refute the papacy. That's a collection that I
Speaker 1: think a guy's a deacon now might become an a priest.
Speaker 1: That Seraphim and our discord created that back in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: and he basically just listed all the canons from the
Speaker 1: Seven Councils as an example that disproves the Vatican One
Speaker 1: arguments for the Roman Catholic version of the papacy. So
Speaker 1: that's the quickest route that I could say to see
Speaker 1: that in all of these centuries and all these councils,
Speaker 1: they don't have the attitude of Vatican One, and so
Speaker 1: therefore the Vatican one arguments for the papacy are obviously
Speaker 1: out of accord with the Seven Ecumenical Council's idea of
Speaker 1: the papacy. Beyond that, I would say, I've got several
Speaker 1: videos on kill shot contradictions that prove that the papacy
Speaker 1: changes its dogma. There is the temple supremacy, a temporal
Speaker 1: supremacy argument that's changed. There's the death penalty argument that's changed.
Speaker 1: There's a religious liberty that's changed, Acumenism doctrine has changed.
Speaker 1: These are all easy kill shots to that the papacy
Speaker 1: has contradicted itself openly, dogmatically, many many times. So go
Speaker 1: check those out. And also, if you want a book,
Speaker 1: you can start with something like, UH, two Paths by
Speaker 1: Michael Welton. That's a good readable introduction to the topic.
Speaker 6: UH.
Speaker 1: And then if you want more advanced, get Sashinsky's book
Speaker 1: Orthodoxy in the Papacy. Ethan, I can't believe we still
Speaker 1: haven't gotten one single Protestant Evangelical to call in. Ethan.
Speaker 1: What's up, dude, you owe me a Gucci suit? Ethan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate it, and the mean situation. I was
Speaker 4: just gonna call in and ask for a second.
Speaker 1: So I'm an inquirer.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go into an Orthodox parish and now about
Speaker 4: four months. I have no trouble with icons. I think
Speaker 4: icons are fine.
Speaker 7: I think the cool thing that.
Speaker 4: Icons have that and the orthodox that they have is
Speaker 4: there's some ones that it sounds like we're miracles.
Speaker 3: Like I think there's a parish in northeast Pennsylvania as
Speaker 3: a very icon.
Speaker 4: I can't remember the name of.
Speaker 1: The parish, but.
Speaker 4: That is something that evangelicals to have. And then the
Speaker 4: other thing I was gonna say was the last thing
Speaker 4: was when I look at.
Speaker 8: The Creed, it's this one holy Catholic episodic church and
Speaker 8: baptismal forgiveness.
Speaker 4: Like forgiveness of sins.
Speaker 9: And so.
Speaker 10: When I talk good prostant friends, I don't think they
Speaker 10: agree with that.
Speaker 1: No, of course I don't. The only the only Protestants
Speaker 1: of believe in Bagelan regeneration are some of the Lutherans,
Speaker 1: which again I don't know how that makes any sense,
Speaker 1: but you can see here clearly when the Creed says
Speaker 1: one holy caloic apsol like church, they mean Bagilism and regeneration.
Speaker 1: And everybody knows that. And it doesn't matter how many
Speaker 1: times redeemed zoom Erny these people try to re formulate it,
Speaker 1: restate it. Everybody knows. The cappet oceans are teaching about
Speaker 1: bismal regeneration are que requiem. What's up, dude? Okay, well, hey, j.
Speaker 4: My issue with Orthodoxy is the priests. They have the beads.
Speaker 11: I think they need to have the Doug Wilson go
Speaker 11: te I think that would.
Speaker 12: Be like more manly.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. So dudes literally out
Speaker 1: here trying to argue for the gen X church. If
Speaker 1: you don't have a gen X goatee, then you aren't
Speaker 1: authentically apostolic, right, because we all know. And by the way,
Speaker 1: you notice in my fat dude who I gave I said,
Speaker 1: this is Saint Dunning Krueger, the patron saint of evangelical apologists.
Speaker 1: Notice he's got the Bloomer goatee. I mean, the gen
Speaker 1: X goate The only thing I would change on this
Speaker 1: I should have giving him a like a professional sports
Speaker 1: jersey cap or I should have made the Godly Ambition
Speaker 1: T shirt, the Rouslan T shirt. It should have been
Speaker 1: a jersey. That's the thing I should have added, right,
Speaker 1: it should be a jersey, and he should have a
Speaker 1: I don't know it's a star at David in the
Speaker 1: background or something drizzy. What's up? Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 13: Jay?
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?
Speaker 14: I'm sorry, I say again.
Speaker 1: I said, what's on your mind? Man?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 12: I really like your content bank acquirer for maybe two
Speaker 12: months now, I was just wondering, is there a book
Speaker 12: set for the for like e communical councils that you
Speaker 12: would recommend.
Speaker 1: I would say read instead of trying to read through
Speaker 1: the ecumenical councils. I mean, you could get this volume.
Speaker 1: This volume is well, you can find the Philip Schaff.
Speaker 1: You can sometimes buy just the volume sale on the
Speaker 1: ecumenical councils. But I would rather, I would say read
Speaker 1: volume one and two of Pelicon set over that. That's
Speaker 1: that would be more relevant to getting a full picture
Speaker 1: of the first thousand years of Christianity. And those are
Speaker 1: really good one and two. I mean they're using seminaries,
Speaker 1: so they're good. I don't know about one single book
Speaker 1: just on ecumenical councils, but there could be one that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just heard about this Saint Nactorio's book
Speaker 1: on the Schism. I don't even know that existed until
Speaker 1: Pano told me to get it the other day. So
Speaker 1: there are probably there could be one that I'm just
Speaker 1: not even aware of. Mitch, what's up again, Evangelicals? You
Speaker 1: need to ask for the intercession of Saint Dunning Krueger.
Speaker 1: What's up, hey, Jay?
Speaker 14: So formal former evangelical pasture here. So do you finally
Speaker 14: have an evangelical calling.
Speaker 1: Former former to what? Former to what? Non former and
Speaker 1: former and now what now an inquiry? Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.
Speaker 14: So we had our former or I guess now former
Speaker 14: pastor of this non teenon church.
Speaker 1: Are you there? By the way, I'm shake even dire now.
Speaker 1: Lewis exposed me a long time ago that I made
Speaker 1: my hojj to Mecca and I am now called Uh
Speaker 1: it been dire, shake it been ire. We lost you dude,
Speaker 1: come back in, Anthony, what's up? David Wood has exposed
Speaker 1: me as a Muslim sympathizer because I said his critique
Speaker 1: one guy's critique was correct. So that obviously that means
Speaker 1: I work with Islam. Now that's how stupid this is.
Speaker 1: But it's also it's telling too how what low view,
Speaker 1: what lack of respect David Wood has for his own
Speaker 1: own audience. Right that his response is to say that
Speaker 1: if I dared to say Jay dawat right, I'm not
Speaker 1: Jay Dire, I'm Jay Dawa bro du ja one one
Speaker 1: one go to one. What's up? Anthony? Okay? I thought
Speaker 1: you were going to talk dog. Are you there? Can't
Speaker 1: hear me? Yeah, what's up.
Speaker 15: So I was curious. It's off topics, so you just
Speaker 15: give me if you want to. When you were talking
Speaker 15: about Tajo as a great discussion, I know you didn't
Speaker 15: elaborate at the time because it wouldn't really be appropriate.
Speaker 15: But when you said, because I'm debating with one of
Speaker 15: my Roman Catholic friends, when you were saying it's better
Speaker 15: to not attend the Roman Catholic Church than attended, can
Speaker 15: you elaborate on that? Do you remember that part?
Speaker 1: I think it was at the end of the conversation
Speaker 1: and he had a more liberal attitude about that question.
Speaker 1: I think that, as you saw from the canons earlier,
Speaker 1: Orthodox are not allowed to participate in the liturgical worship
Speaker 1: of heretics and schismatics. So we saw that if you
Speaker 1: go back to the first hour, we went through the
Speaker 1: Canons of Leo Deicilla, we went through the Canons of Gangra,
Speaker 1: we went through the Canons of Nicea one, we went
Speaker 1: through the Canons of Constantinople one, and you can immediately
Speaker 1: in the canon Apostolic canons, you can see right away
Speaker 1: there's strict limitations on what it means to be heretic
Speaker 1: and schismatic and it's determined canonically, and this is what
Speaker 1: Protestants don't understand. And in fact, we made the argument
Speaker 1: that we can disprove Protestantism just by the canons, because
Speaker 1: the canons show us that the Church is viewing itself
Speaker 1: as able to lay down Church law, which is what
Speaker 1: delineates the boundaries of heretic and schismatic. So unfortunately, Rome
Speaker 1: departed from the faith a long time ago, and they
Speaker 1: have all kinds of crazy innovations now post Vatican Two.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be one thing if we were
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, the Tridentine Latin Mass, because even
Speaker 1: though I don't agree with any of that, at that
Speaker 1: time it was what purgatory created, grace works of super
Speaker 1: irrigation Philly oakuayh right. I mean at the time of Trent,
Speaker 1: it would be like maybe ten things that were like
Speaker 1: major issues. Well, post Vatican two, we're in a totally
Speaker 1: different world, dude. We're in like Novasorto gay uh clown
Speaker 1: mass where the priests baptized people into the land to
Speaker 1: see in the air. I'm not joking. There's actually Novasorto
Speaker 1: priests that do that, and they use cookies for the
Speaker 1: Eucharist I'm not kidding clown masses, cookie yu. I mean,
Speaker 1: so we're we're way That's why we can't say anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, this is not a Pope Pious, the Fifth
Speaker 1: Tridenteene Church anymore. That's gone, that's long gone. I mean
Speaker 1: that is kind of there amongst the SSP actually the
Speaker 1: set of a concert. But even that was way off
Speaker 1: off kilter. Well, how are we gonna say, oh, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can just go to the you know, gay guitar
Speaker 1: mass with the clown the clown mass and the dorrito Eucharist.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so far and by the way, you're
Speaker 1: just picking extremes. Well, it's actually not that extreme, because
Speaker 1: this is pretty widespread in Rome, especially in certain areas,
Speaker 1: right like Dutch areas, German areas, Cardinal Marxist areas, a
Speaker 1: lot of the American Catholic Church, a lot of those areas,
Speaker 1: they're the worst. Women alter servers, letting women give sermons, basically,
Speaker 1: let women run everything. That's the norm in a lot
Speaker 1: of Roman Catholic American Western parishes. And what do we
Speaker 1: just see in the canons. Women are not allowed on
Speaker 1: the altar, women are not to be Presbyteria or preachers
Speaker 1: in the church. Did you remember those canons? We just
Speaker 1: read Gangra Leodicea an hour ago so now, and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be mean to that guy, but he
Speaker 1: might not have seen the first hour. In the first hour,
Speaker 1: all we did was look at canons and how the
Speaker 1: canons disproved Protestantism because it shows us the mindset of
Speaker 1: the church in synod and that Trump's individuals. This is
Speaker 1: what they cannot fathom. Just like the Papists. They say,
Speaker 1: I'll just cite Jerome, I'll just site Augustine, I'll just
Speaker 1: cite this dude. Well, wouldn't canon law trump one dude,
Speaker 1: since it's the mindset of all of the church generally speaking.
Speaker 16: Well, look, Kita Loved not infallible.
Speaker 1: It's not a question of infallible or not. Your bishop's
Speaker 1: not infallible. That doesn't mean he's not an authority. Remember
Speaker 1: we had a guy calling last night. He said the
Speaker 1: same thing, Why would I submit to the bishop but
Speaker 1: the bishop is infallible. Well, infallibility is not a criteria
Speaker 1: of authority. And that's when we met the same argument
Speaker 1: about the Old Testament, the priests and the Levites and
Speaker 1: the Synagogue teachers. They were not infallible, but they still
Speaker 1: had authority. Even in the Old Testament, they were the
Speaker 1: normative authorities. So infallibility is not the essential criteria for authority.
Speaker 1: And this is why the Protestants always lose their mind
Speaker 1: about this. They cannot conceive of an authority that isn't
Speaker 1: quote infallible, even though they they'll turn around a lot
Speaker 1: of the classical reformer people will say, well, we believe
Speaker 1: our Presbyterian Synod has authority. Yeah, okay, so you admit
Speaker 1: the point then that having authority is not essentially bound
Speaker 1: up with infallibility. And it turns out this is breaking
Speaker 1: news as well. Let's see what Lord Boldemort is saying.
Speaker 1: The roommant is that Daily Wires about to close. Whoa
Speaker 1: another small victory. See what he says.
Speaker 17: A year ago they laid off thirty percent of employees.
Speaker 17: Last week they laid off the other thifty percent. Somebody,
Speaker 17: they have twenty five percent of employees they had a
Speaker 17: year ago. And it's all because Ben Shapiro is a
Speaker 17: known front for the Israeli government. Massive funding. That's all
Speaker 17: they push, and people are sick and tired of it.
Speaker 17: But here's the bigger story. But nobody's covering the collapse
Speaker 17: the Daily Wire and all other neocon ratings like Mark
Speaker 17: Levin on Fox almost no viewers.
Speaker 1: Lowest ratings on Fox.
Speaker 17: Is emblematic of the collapse in major polling for President Trump.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm mainly interested in the Daily Wire point of this.
Speaker 1: Why because Daily Wire is an outlet for evangelical Zionism.
Speaker 1: Because the funders, those Texas billionaire funders are aryan Messianic
Speaker 1: cult leaders. They're in the area. I forget the name
Speaker 1: of those billionaire whatever brothers. That's the money behind Daily Wire,
Speaker 1: and I'm happy to see that that heresy outlet is
Speaker 1: going under good. Their shit sucked anyway. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you ever watched Bench one day for fun, I watched
Speaker 1: like forty minutes of Ben Shapiro just to see what
Speaker 1: he even does. Dude, the show is so boring. All
Speaker 1: he does is play a clip and then tell you
Speaker 1: what he just saw on the clip. It's not even
Speaker 1: as like Arnold Schwarzenegger is entertaining on the DVD commentaries
Speaker 1: because he will tell you what happened in the clip.
Speaker 1: But he's funny as hell because he's retarded and he's
Speaker 1: drunk when he's doing the DVD commentaries. You don't even
Speaker 1: get that with Ben Shapiro. It's just yeah, we just
Speaker 1: watched a clip and the transgenders and why are the
Speaker 1: transgender transgender's going against fax lodging.
Speaker 16: So we just watched a clip where two transgenders are
Speaker 16: saying that thumb.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I saw the clip, dude, I don't
Speaker 1: need a Wikipedia summary an AI summary of the clip.
Speaker 16: We just watched it.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, Arnold Schwarzenegger is more entertaining than Ben Shapiro.
Speaker 18: Luc Yeah that I was talking to the guy and
Speaker 18: this is the bad guy, and we decided to stop
Speaker 18: the guy to do lack pew of Paco with the
Speaker 18: good guys.
Speaker 1: But then we tried to fight the bad guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know that you're the good guy, Arnold. Everybody has
Speaker 1: seen your movies. Thank you for giving us a play
Speaker 1: by place, like, remember we were watching this clib they're
Speaker 1: not We're all die laughing at because people didn't believe me.
Speaker 1: They were like, no, there's no hilarious retarded Schwarzenegger commentaries. Yes,
Speaker 1: there are. There's a bunch. They're actually really funny. You
Speaker 1: should watch them. That's the same thing that Ben Shapiro does.
Speaker 1: He just watches a clip and tells you what was
Speaker 1: in the clip. It's like, dude, what this is? What
Speaker 1: they poured like hundreds of millions of dollars into White mountains?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 4: Hello, jay?
Speaker 1: Yo?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Question?
Speaker 19: Uh So it's more of a I guess I want
Speaker 19: your opinion on something. So I called in a while
Speaker 19: ago about the parish that we're attending.
Speaker 3: We just go watch so.
Speaker 19: They actually turns out teach ecumenicalism. So I've been looking
Speaker 19: at the other church in our area, but I was
Speaker 19: like looking at their Facebook, and they do events a
Speaker 19: Masonic lodge, So I'm kind of just like what the
Speaker 19: hell like.
Speaker 6: Like what do you think?
Speaker 15: Like?
Speaker 1: But sometimes sometimes Masonic lodges are like the only venue
Speaker 1: that you can rent in a small place or somewhere,
Speaker 1: so that might not mean that they're necessarily Masonic. On
Speaker 1: the down low, I would just go like go talk
Speaker 1: to them and be like, are y'all pro masonry? Are
Speaker 1: you pro skittles? Are you?
Speaker 20: Like?
Speaker 1: Just be upfront.
Speaker 19: Okay, I got another question too, if it's okay.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 19: So I grew up, like I guess, non denominational, and
Speaker 19: so you know, obviously all the stupidity.
Speaker 4: About like the rapture and whatever.
Speaker 21: So I guess my question.
Speaker 4: I was doing like some research, but I don't know.
Speaker 19: I'm super new, so sometimes it's kind of hard for
Speaker 19: me to understand.
Speaker 4: So when in the Orthodox Church, when we say.
Speaker 19: That Christ is coming back, what does that like look like?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Because obviously in the Church we don't believe in like
Speaker 4: prea tribulation or whatever. So like I guess in a nutshell,
Speaker 4: or if you could point me to you know, there's
Speaker 4: a great I can.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a great little uh booklet from Jordanville Monastery.
Speaker 1: It's called Apostasy and Antichrist. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's in print because it kind of goes in and
Speaker 1: out of print. I cannot see in these glasses. And
Speaker 1: since it's out of print, somebody there's a couple channels
Speaker 1: that have done audio versions of the whole little book.
Speaker 1: It's I got sixty page booklet. By the way, it
Speaker 1: has partial preterism in it, so you could go to
Speaker 1: I don't know what this is. I'm not advocating for
Speaker 1: this website because I don't know who it is or
Speaker 1: what they're doing.
Speaker 4: But God living in Holy Trinity being.
Speaker 1: So this little booklet is right here online and you
Speaker 1: can listen to the audio right there, and it gives
Speaker 1: basically just a bunch of quotations from church fathers and
Speaker 1: saints and elders and what un orthodox church and bishops
Speaker 1: giving the overall outline. So it begins with preterism and
Speaker 1: saying that seventy a d is the immediate context of
Speaker 1: Matthew twenty four, twenty one, et cetera. And that's a
Speaker 1: microcosm of the last days. So some of the signs
Speaker 1: of the end of the world from the Orthodox perspective
Speaker 1: would be mass apostasy in the church, attempting to ban
Speaker 1: the Divine liturgy obviously antichrist figure conversion of the Jews
Speaker 1: is another one that's listed very clearly. All of those
Speaker 1: are some of the key elements, as well as the
Speaker 1: attempt to rebuild a third temple. When you see those things,
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the universal indicators amongst the fathers that Okay,
Speaker 1: this is looking like it really is the end. I'm
Speaker 1: not dissing the prophecy Bros. I mean, I just don't
Speaker 1: study all the elder Saint prophecies. I'm not against them.
Speaker 1: It's just not it's not my domain. I try to
Speaker 1: stick with more of the patristic and biblical approach. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I'm dissing Conrad or Cotel or any
Speaker 1: of those people. It's just not a domain of so
Speaker 1: much time. And so that's that's a great thing about
Speaker 1: what we do in Orthodoxy. Like there's different gifts. Not
Speaker 1: everybody has to be an aggressive debater. Not everybody has
Speaker 1: to be pago icon carver, symbology person. Right, there's places
Speaker 1: for everybody with their unique skills and gifts.
Speaker 4: Not everybody has to be a debater, Mando, ask philosophy bro.
Speaker 1: Not everybody has to be professor deacon logic. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of other uh. I mean, how does Paul
Speaker 1: describe the gifts?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: They're they're all apportioned for different functions, right, And the
Speaker 1: eye can't say I don't need you hand. Right, the
Speaker 1: hand can't say I don't need you eyes because they
Speaker 1: all work together. So, you know, we need people debating politics.
Speaker 1: You know, Andrew's really good at that. We need people
Speaker 1: debating feminism. Rachel's great at that. We need people debating logic. Father,
Speaker 1: I wish father Deacon would do more debates. You're you're,
Speaker 1: you would be the best cool calm debater if we
Speaker 1: could get you to do more debates. Well, if I
Speaker 1: get paid, somebody pay me. Okay, that's actually all right.
Speaker 1: Well I saw there was a comedian, Eric Spears was
Speaker 1: bitching that he hates doing podcasts because they won't pay him.
Speaker 1: And then it was like he was asking for like
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars for every appearance. It's like, dude, you're
Speaker 1: not that popular anymore. It's like five thousand dollars or
Speaker 1: I'm so crazy about this. So, yeah, you have a
Speaker 1: you should have every syllogism. I get five. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a minimum of, Like I get paid persillogism in
Speaker 1: a debate, so I expect, you know, at least one
Speaker 1: bitcoin persilogism in a debate.
Speaker 10: You know, I'm kind of joking, but I'm serious, Like
Speaker 10: I'm just grading right now while I'm doing this.
Speaker 22: Two and forty.
Speaker 4: Essays have eight classes. I serve two parishes. Oh, I
Speaker 4: have a wife.
Speaker 10: I actually have a life, but do you know what
Speaker 10: I mean? Like that stuff other than my wife I
Speaker 10: get paid for. So it's like I have to take
Speaker 10: time for like everybody just wants you to do free stuff.
Speaker 10: It's like, I like debates, but it's got to be
Speaker 10: worth your wife.
Speaker 1: I've never even thought about targeting.
Speaker 10: Debates of somebody because it's not worth your while. And
Speaker 10: I don't necessarily mean even moluntarily, but no.
Speaker 1: This is something that a lot of like Internet gebers
Speaker 1: and randos don't understand that not every person is worth
Speaker 1: a debate, And then everybody on the Internet thinks, no,
Speaker 1: you have to debate and respond to every single person. Well, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm the only one out here in this sphere of
Speaker 1: apologetics who literally does the open calls where anyone can debate.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, nobody else will do that as far
Speaker 1: as I'm aware. Now, please kind of does it. Alex
Speaker 1: will do it. But I'm saying, like none of these
Speaker 1: other people, Trent Horne won't do open forums to talk
Speaker 1: to all y'all, Gavin Orland, as far as I'm ware,
Speaker 1: he done do open forums where he lets anybody call
Speaker 1: in and challenge what We're not scared like, we don't go.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about anybody calling in and bringing their challenges.
Speaker 1: Oh but you block everybody, You block everybody. No, I
Speaker 1: block the pe people that talk smack and won't debate.
Speaker 1: That's very different from just blocking everybody. I block the
Speaker 1: people that talk smack, and then when I say come
Speaker 1: on the stream, here's the link, call in next time,
Speaker 1: they always like for no reason. Yeahs blocked for no reason.
Speaker 1: Cop just pulled me over for no reason. I didn't
Speaker 1: do nothing. I didn't do nothing, man, Yeah, I just yeah, oh, no,
Speaker 1: one got blocked. I just went into the discord and
Speaker 1: made death threats. I don't know what it blogged me.
Speaker 1: That's a joke with the guy that was saying that
Speaker 1: about me. Aquan note, can I join the call? Uh?
Speaker 1: That was yesterday? Yes, Cyril says for five dollars, Ortho Bros.
Speaker 1: Converted me out of the fake Orthodox Presbyterian Church. Hey man,
Speaker 1: there we go, Corbin, twenty dollars. What do you think
Speaker 1: Andrew would and David Wood debating. I think it's funny
Speaker 1: and it just shows that David Wood will debate about
Speaker 1: me but won't debate me. So he'll debate. Isn't that weird? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll debate Andrew on whether or not it's bad to
Speaker 1: say to that random Muslim dude that, yeah, you were correct.
Speaker 1: In your criticism of God logic, Oh, he's.
Speaker 16: A Muslim collaborator.
Speaker 1: Now, dude, that's the leftist logic, right, that's like Russian collusion,
Speaker 1: collusion logic. Two dollars gas, Papa, Well, two dollars ain't
Speaker 1: going to get me foreign gas. But thank you, Burning Bush.
Speaker 1: Ten dollars do I want to apologize. I used to
Speaker 1: critique your demeanor. I let that obfuscate the bigger picture,
Speaker 1: which is that these prop liberal channels are actually not
Speaker 1: acting a good faith crisis. Thank you. Yeah, I think again,
Speaker 1: And FDA knows this. I'm sure everybody in the debate
Speaker 1: spirit Rachel Andrew, we've all experienced this. A lot of
Speaker 1: people that you interact with put on a good face
Speaker 1: and they are very nice on their streams or publicly
Speaker 1: or whatever. In the background, so many people in media
Speaker 1: are just absolutely backstabbing snakes. Man. They're just no morals,
Speaker 1: no qualm. They will they will stab you in the
Speaker 1: back in an arty.
Speaker 4: Luckily, thank god, I rightly know how to interpret faces.
Speaker 1: So yes, father Deacon has a degree from FBI University
Speaker 1: in facial physiognomy recognition. Well, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: So we just finished up on office hours.
Speaker 1: We were doing. You were on Tim Hideaker's show What
Speaker 1: I'm Jordan.
Speaker 10: We did it to the last two office hours with
Speaker 10: the seminary with Jordanville.
Speaker 21: We were doing the David and adject debate and we're
Speaker 21: going through Calconon and Ephesus and these things.
Speaker 4: And I didn't even think about this. I first got
Speaker 4: the idea when I was doing Logic Classic Carol.
Speaker 21: We're doing a debate with Alex O'Connor and that Richard Swinburne, and.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, Alex Connor has the fallacy of
Speaker 4: like gay man leg crossing.
Speaker 10: I'm like, I don't know why, it's like honed into
Speaker 10: those details, but I'm like, I don't think any man
Speaker 10: should you know what I'm talking about, do the kind
Speaker 10: of like crossover leg.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all know what that is.
Speaker 4: You can do a right angle where you.
Speaker 10: Can do your your feet behind kind of tucked in,
Speaker 10: and I'm like, it looks gay and effeminine.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like your new approach, right, So
Speaker 1: we're not even gonna just do we won't, we won't.
Speaker 1: We won't even do debates anymore. We'll just do a
Speaker 1: physiognomy check. And that's that's what I've.
Speaker 4: Been doing, and so I was like, let's do the agents.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, because you can, and.
Speaker 4: You can always do that, but you can tell a
Speaker 4: lot by it, how squirrely and the weird kind of mannerisms,
Speaker 4: and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, shifty eyes swallowing a lot candled still, and I'm like, anyways,
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of a new thing that we
Speaker 2: should do in And now it'sis of debate.
Speaker 1: What do you think? I like it? By the way,
Speaker 1: notice this was pretty funny. I forgot this. I forgot
Speaker 1: to mention that yesterday David Wood was playing the race card.
Speaker 1: This is so pathetic, uh so, because I called out
Speaker 1: Avery pushing people to a synagogue to judaize them, and
Speaker 1: David Wood's response was, oh, Jay Dyer calls out the
Speaker 1: black apologist, so he's I mean, this is so low
Speaker 1: tier trying to pull the race card because I called
Speaker 1: out I didn't call out Avery for anything racial. And
Speaker 1: then I just said, well, I'm BYPOC. Which was a
Speaker 1: massive ratio for David Wood because David David and I
Speaker 1: did this because David would loves bragging about ratios when
Speaker 1: he got ratio not once but twice. When I asked him,
Speaker 1: if you want to set up a formal debate, and uh,
Speaker 1: of course no, he won't do it. So now, if
Speaker 1: you support Zionism like Red Vaughn and his weird fetish,
Speaker 1: you're all good. And if you send people to the
Speaker 1: synagogues for church, you're all good. Actually, it wasn't even
Speaker 1: synagogue for church. It was online zoom call discipling with
Speaker 1: a fake Mexican rabbi. You can't make this up, dude.
Speaker 1: That's the real church though.
Speaker 4: What balls?
Speaker 1: What's the Mexican term for balls for testicles? Abrolh, my
Speaker 1: name is, My name is Rabbis.
Speaker 4: Abril.
Speaker 16: Bring her Tomali's to Rabbi Wabos church.
Speaker 1: It's also a synagogue. To Bro, it operates as uh,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a food truck. It's a food truck
Speaker 1: church that operates as a bank and ATM.
Speaker 16: And Bro check it out like you go totally.
Speaker 1: You can totally exchange your goal for paesils or whatever. Bro.
Speaker 23: You need to go under some money to.
Speaker 1: Homie.
Speaker 16: You need to line her a little bit of cash
Speaker 16: or whatever.
Speaker 24: Away.
Speaker 1: Come to Saint Tomali's food truck on the corner of
Speaker 1: Wilson Avenue.
Speaker 14: That makes a good skin We should we should make
Speaker 14: these sketch sketches.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be well, it'd be a perfect skit to
Speaker 1: get your canceled from Adult swim. So that's the that's
Speaker 1: the skit they got Sam canceled from Adult skin Swima.
Speaker 1: By the way, I forgot shout out to dire Wire,
Speaker 1: one of the one of those newer Eclipse channels. They
Speaker 1: made this. Uh an awesome little hipster stump clap crench core.
Speaker 1: There's a new hipster stomp clap crench core. Let's play
Speaker 1: real quick. Gaye space brother, gay space brother. Won't you
Speaker 1: come down from my bone high? Gaze pace brother, gaze
Speaker 1: bace brother. Won't you come down from my bone high
Speaker 1: and touch my cheese, touch my gluteswone high, touch my
Speaker 1: glues thone.
Speaker 16: High in the sky Eesebee's brother.
Speaker 1: Won't you come down? Slap in cheese?
Speaker 16: Can I get up slap on the cheek?
Speaker 25: Yeah, I can't kind of get up slap from the
Speaker 25: butt check chez face brother. He's gonna come down and
Speaker 25: find you cuz he's face brother.
Speaker 1: Down the said space brother, You're gonna reading you're into
Speaker 1: your gage space brother.
Speaker 16: You want to clap them cheeks like.
Speaker 1: Anthony was up gay space brother going to clap them
Speaker 1: cheeks from up on high waves. Right, I got, but
Speaker 1: they use waves, eggs, Rabbi, eggs. Okay, Anthony, what's up, dude?
Speaker 15: Yes, no, I just got two points since you have
Speaker 15: father deacon here, two questions.
Speaker 1: One of them, uh, the.
Speaker 15: Would you say that the Roman Catholics with when they
Speaker 15: have masks, are they participating in the eternal heavenly liturgy? No?
Speaker 4: No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: If we talk about lyric.
Speaker 21: Yes, sorry, well we speak about liturgy is patterned off
Speaker 21: the worship in heaven.
Speaker 4: So if you have a different pattern, how could it
Speaker 4: be partation in the liturgy and heaven? Gotcha?
Speaker 15: And I'm sorry, I'm ignorant, and you know the Roman
Speaker 15: Catholic however they worship, but.
Speaker 9: It is.
Speaker 15: Can you give me like a point or two about
Speaker 15: like the main difference besides obviously you know, I know
Speaker 15: there's no essence energy distinction.
Speaker 1: And dude, I got to keep in mind, Anthony, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be mean, but like the modern Romeancaolic Church,
Speaker 1: most of them quote masses, they're worst or equal to
Speaker 1: Anglican services. They're they're basically just Protestant Services. PJ. What's up, man,
Speaker 1: I wasn't laughing at you, by the way, I was
Speaker 1: laughing at the waivos calling them Rabbi X instead of rabbis.
Speaker 1: It's way better. It's actually, yeah, Rabbi X is funny.
Speaker 1: What's up man, PJ. Pajamas, what's up?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Hey? Bro? I can hear you, dude?
Speaker 1: You think I can't spot a toller within like two seconds? Bro? Totally?
Speaker 16: I know you guys like like you guys are my people.
Speaker 1: Bro, even though I'm by polk, I can tell you
Speaker 1: guys can spout you guys from a mile away. Bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're funny.
Speaker 9: Get I'm sorry, Let get to Let me get to
Speaker 9: the question about the ecumunism in in the evangelical spaces.
Speaker 9: Have you noticed that these people you are using mean
Speaker 9: girls tactics too?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, absolutely. In fact, I noticed that, I said
Speaker 1: today right here. Look now, listen, I said, the e
Speaker 1: e apologists are just like the e thoughts on the internet.
Speaker 1: I said it right here, dude, No, but you're right
Speaker 1: being seen that a lot.
Speaker 9: They don't mention you by name. They're afraid to mention
Speaker 9: you by name. They make this passive aggressive remarks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally clearly talking about you. But they don't want
Speaker 1: to see it. It's like it's literally high school drama
Speaker 1: all over again. Yes, the people, they're giant vaginas. They
Speaker 1: look right here, I said today, right here. Look, the
Speaker 1: ecumenical evangelical anti Islamiti Grift Crowd are the exact mirror
Speaker 1: of the e thought egir ol Grift Crowd. It's exact same, man.
Speaker 4: Because I'm noticing that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry to come back here. I thought
Speaker 1: you were I thought you were done. Go ahead, PJ,
Speaker 1: come back, Peter Adam mean, I thought you were finished
Speaker 1: and I hit the button too quick. Come back if
Speaker 1: you want to, PJ. Sorry about that. Chase huh, Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. Now what.
Speaker 13: Yo?
Speaker 4: What's up girl?
Speaker 1: What's up? A little Tristan?
Speaker 4: That's not funny. Yeah, it's this whole thing is fascinating
Speaker 4: in it.
Speaker 26: What I think is going on, and I've been been
Speaker 26: able to watch the most of your stream today, what
Speaker 26: I think's happening is these people, they are doing these
Speaker 26: insane tactics, like David Wood saying, somehow you are allying
Speaker 26: with Muslims when you just agreed with them, with one
Speaker 26: Muslim saying yeah, they're not interested in about what's true.
Speaker 4: Their entire brand is just anti Islam.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 26: I think the reason that they're doing it is because
Speaker 26: they know they can't actually defend Protestantism. And if they
Speaker 26: character assassinate you, and they character assassinating Orthodox doing apologetics
Speaker 26: that aren't a humanists, you know, doing actual apologetics to say, hey,
Speaker 26: whatever system you believe in, whatever world do you have,
Speaker 26: come in and join the church. This is an easy
Speaker 26: way to just discredit you and discredit Orthodoxy. And they
Speaker 26: play this game of oh, you're the poll, the pole diar,
Speaker 26: you know, all this like silly stuff.
Speaker 13: I was.
Speaker 26: I was baptized and received by a cradle Romanian serving
Speaker 26: under the Greeks who agreed with everything theologically that he
Speaker 26: would ask me to help with, you know, obviously Sunday School.
Speaker 4: And stuff like that.
Speaker 26: But this is this is the point, is that they
Speaker 26: are using this just to try to stop Orthodox apologetics
Speaker 26: in general.
Speaker 4: That's what they want. That's why they ally with people
Speaker 4: like schismatics.
Speaker 26: And I try to talk to John Claypool and I
Speaker 26: wanted to ask him what bishop he's in communion with,
Speaker 26: to show these dummies like the JPN cut Dude, this.
Speaker 4: Is a schismatic but they're not interested in it.
Speaker 1: And just stopping the conversation.
Speaker 4: Correct, not John Claypool, Nick, you're right, father, And.
Speaker 1: Well I got a little question for you, Chase, because
Speaker 1: I noticed the name Haggard is suspecially suspiciously similar to Hagar.
Speaker 1: Are you in collusion with Muslims? Yes?
Speaker 26: And I actually I was at the grocery store the
Speaker 26: other day and I saw I saw a Muslim and
Speaker 26: they also picked up picked up milk. I enjoy drinking
Speaker 26: milk with my.
Speaker 1: Co dog whistle. Muslim dog whistle. You're drinking milk just
Speaker 1: like the Muslims is lomic dog whistles right there. Yep.
Speaker 4: But what do you think about that?
Speaker 26: Like I it seems to me that this and on
Speaker 26: the whole like Ortho broth, in which they can't ever
Speaker 26: define ever, or it's so loosely defined.
Speaker 4: It's anybody that's Orthodox that's hold.
Speaker 1: Now you know what? You know what Cleave actually figured
Speaker 1: that out. He made a great point of mego. He said,
Speaker 1: the re that they're attacking orthobros is because they don't
Speaker 1: have the k to attack Orthodoxy, so they act like oh,
Speaker 1: we still want to be friends with all the Orthodox people.
Speaker 1: It's just the evil Ortho bros. When Ortho Bros are basically,
Speaker 1: whether you like them or not, they're just stating Orthodox theology.
Speaker 26: Exactly, and then they'll try to use these nebulous things,
Speaker 26: like when I tried to ask John Claypole and JP
Speaker 26: and that that weird moler dude who was just screaming
Speaker 26: at me the entire time when I called into their show.
Speaker 4: It's very strange. When I tried to ask them, John.
Speaker 26: Said, He's like, oh, they're racist, and I was about
Speaker 26: to say, I'm not racist, so I'm not an orthobro,
Speaker 26: and then they they they just they want to stop.
Speaker 4: The conversations about actual dogma.
Speaker 1: That's what they want us. That's what David Wood did.
Speaker 1: David would try and imply that I called out god
Speaker 1: logic because I'm racist. It's like, where do you like
Speaker 1: that's so retarded?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, thousands, like does that even work?
Speaker 1: It doesn't ey work. They're so behind that they're using
Speaker 1: the tactics of like twenty ten Democrats. Dude, what's up
Speaker 1: a PJ bro? What else did you want to say? Dude?
Speaker 17: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: About what they're thinking of it.
Speaker 9: As was talking about, I noticed that these guys are
Speaker 9: also favorite prof feminists.
Speaker 1: Yep. They rarely cut it out, and because of that, they.
Speaker 9: Use the exact same tactics of the feminists to use
Speaker 9: to detect to discredit somebody against other people because they're
Speaker 9: like so passive, aggressive, and they can they're so incapable
Speaker 9: of actually like confrontation. Yes, it's kind of yeah, that's
Speaker 9: why I.
Speaker 1: Have to say. No, that's exactly what it is. You
Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head, everybody. It's all. It's
Speaker 1: not the theology, it's none of that. It's first and foremost,
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of feminized whissies, dude, That's all it is.
Speaker 1: And then the rest of it's all smoking mirrors. Sam,
Speaker 1: what's up, Sam? Shamou? What's up?
Speaker 15: You?
Speaker 1: Son of the devil? Are you doing Muto with the
Speaker 1: Shia tonight? Is your mother doing Muto with the shia tonight? You,
Speaker 1: son of the devil?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 27: No, Muto, No homes that's bade, that's bad for you.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 27: I am over here at Papa Pios Taco truck over
Speaker 27: here at Papa Pios oneas not Chez from the West coast.
Speaker 3: Homes, uh for two for one.
Speaker 4: I served the Yukaristia on flatbread to you, homes.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know that the real.
Speaker 27: Yucaristia because it's flat, the tortilla Yukaristia.
Speaker 4: That's how you know it's real. Homes in the full
Speaker 4: spirit of acumenism.
Speaker 24: And go over to my cousins, you know uhes you
Speaker 24: go over.
Speaker 27: The Rabbi Colonez, He'll serve you with the flatbred himself.
Speaker 27: It's Yukaristia and it's a human isma. I got the
Speaker 27: blessing from the Pope himself, Homes.
Speaker 1: Actually, I appreciate it if the Pope would bless that. Actually,
Speaker 1: that would be fully in line with the humanism.
Speaker 9: Is that?
Speaker 1: What's up? Dude? Gay space brother harsh word says for
Speaker 1: forty weird currencies. I used to think that Jay and
Speaker 1: David would were the same person. Shit, dude, let me
Speaker 1: prove you false. Could David would look like this, watch this,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna blow your minds or her talking about effeminacy
Speaker 1: and divas. Could David would look like that? Nope? Could
Speaker 1: God logic look like that? Nope? So no, I'm not
Speaker 1: the same as any of those people.
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 1: What's up you can hear me.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, So a big fan.
Speaker 23: Just called because I was wondering if I could take
Speaker 23: the freemason position real quick.
Speaker 1: You're not serious, is no?
Speaker 4: I'm serious?
Speaker 1: You're are you debating to debate? Are you really amazing?
Speaker 4: No, I'm not amazing.
Speaker 23: I'm just have one point one of your arguments that
Speaker 23: you used in the debate with Yeah, So it seems
Speaker 23: like one of the main things you pointed out was
Speaker 23: like the fact that they would not allow someone like
Speaker 23: a Satanist to join their their group, or you know,
Speaker 23: you had to believe in one God or you have
Speaker 23: to have you have to believe in a religion that
Speaker 23: believes in one God to join, right, And so you
Speaker 23: were using that to say that it entails you that
Speaker 23: you're pointing out a generic theism or generic theism or whatever.
Speaker 23: And I don't see why that necessarily entails that. Why
Speaker 23: couldn't it just be we'd rather believe in a religion
Speaker 23: that believes in one God because chances are, you know,
Speaker 23: you're going to be a Christian, art you or a Muslim,
Speaker 23: and generally these people are okay, But like a Satanist, Dad,
Speaker 23: that's kind of like queer first.
Speaker 1: Of all the culturally hold on. The argument was intended
Speaker 1: to show first that they don't just have one dogma
Speaker 1: of believing in monotheism. You also have to qualify that
Speaker 1: by all of these things that are excluded. That was
Speaker 1: the first point, to show that it's not actually one dogma,
Speaker 1: it's mini dogmas. The second point is they actually dogmatize
Speaker 1: that the God can't be specific. So that's the problem.
Speaker 1: They have a dogma of generic theism. Really okay, yeah, if.
Speaker 4: It can't be specific, that makes sense.
Speaker 21: And then also too, do you remember when I did
Speaker 21: that article and I was working with Garby, so with.
Speaker 11: This common core, this generic saying one of the things.
Speaker 4: That it's about God is he's worthy of worship. But
Speaker 4: worship requires allegiance.
Speaker 1: Yes, great point, you can't.
Speaker 10: You can't have a generic God. That's like saying there's
Speaker 10: two warring armies and I'm allegiant to them both I
Speaker 10: am with army.
Speaker 9: So worship requires exclusion to the exclusion of others.
Speaker 10: Right, So it doesn't make sense that you can even
Speaker 10: say like, oh, I can have this generic kind of
Speaker 10: or we.
Speaker 4: Accept this other worship.
Speaker 10: So worship just like allegiance to an army excludes all
Speaker 10: the others too.
Speaker 1: And another way to show that this is false, and
Speaker 1: I should have brought this up in the debate and
Speaker 1: I forgot, is that when you go to Masonic lodges,
Speaker 1: they will put on their quote alter the Torah, the Bible,
Speaker 1: and the Qur'an and even the bahgabad Ghita. No, and
Speaker 1: I've got it up on screen. So when you are yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, when you join the Masonic lodge, any of
Speaker 1: those can be placed on the altar. Here's an example
Speaker 1: where they put the Bible, the Shinto text, the Baga
Speaker 1: bay Gie to the Jefferson Bible, the Torah, and the Qur'an.
Speaker 1: So this this proves my point, all right, cool.
Speaker 23: I was under the perception that they just wanted you
Speaker 23: to believe something, but like you would never talk anybody
Speaker 23: about what you believe in and they would never teach
Speaker 23: you anything.
Speaker 4: But if they actually you know.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of there's a bunch of a bunch
Speaker 1: of Masonic altars right there. And then throughout the debate,
Speaker 1: Chase kept saying, yeah, but I can personally have it
Speaker 1: be my God. That doesn't that doesn't work. That's like
Speaker 1: father Deacon saying It's like, you can't be well, I am,
Speaker 1: I'm fighting on the side of army, but personally it's
Speaker 1: the good guys. I'm against the bad guys, but I'm
Speaker 1: also on the side of all army. Like okay, well,
Speaker 1: if there's a Muslim army and a Christian army and
Speaker 1: you say I'm on the side of army, but I'm
Speaker 1: also personally on the side of the Christians. I think
Speaker 1: this is retarded. It's like, obviously this doesn't work, dous
Speaker 1: on what's up?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 5: I was just wanting to build up off the huavos
Speaker 5: at humanism.
Speaker 28: Next time, if any of these evangelicals ever debate you,
Speaker 28: have you tried.
Speaker 4: Running the DN argumentation? What? Running these nuts across her forehead?
Speaker 1: All right? Got them? Thank you? It's Ben Watson's I
Speaker 1: heard of good D's nuts argument. I like it. Chase
Speaker 1: what's up? Although it might be verging into gay territory,
Speaker 1: so we don't want to if we do something like that,
Speaker 1: we might attract the galiens. Chase what's up?
Speaker 23: Hey, Jay?
Speaker 7: I just wanted to say, dude, your Freemason debate could
Speaker 7: not have came at a better time for me.
Speaker 4: Spiritually speaking.
Speaker 7: I had just moved away from an Orthodox church that
Speaker 7: I was attending around two hours away due to financial reasons.
Speaker 7: I'm a salesman.
Speaker 4: Head moved back home and in with family.
Speaker 7: To get back on my feet, and one of my
Speaker 7: food managers is actually a Mason.
Speaker 4: He started telling me about how great it was.
Speaker 7: You know, we got a lot of Baptist pastors here
Speaker 7: in the South that are Freemasons, and so I was
Speaker 7: looking into it and I thought it might be a
Speaker 7: cool thing to join.
Speaker 4: He gave me a bunch of Grinders magazines.
Speaker 7: I was like, oh, look, they're helping kids. You know,
Speaker 7: it look really cool, and so I hate to say it,
Speaker 7: but I did. I did end up petitioning, but you know,
Speaker 7: I'm not going to join obviously. But before I had petitioned,
Speaker 7: I had a I had like Masons coming to my
Speaker 7: job asking for me by name that had Masonic tags
Speaker 7: on the back of their vehicles. That it came for
Speaker 7: about two weeks straight, and I felt completely gang stalked.
Speaker 4: This is before I did ever even sign a petition.
Speaker 4: So I just wanted to ask, do you have any
Speaker 4: like actual record of Masons that have done gangsonging?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know your situation. But I don't
Speaker 1: really think they would gang stock typically nowadays because they're
Speaker 1: a little more they're they're less popular amongst people younger,
Speaker 1: you go, people are less interested. I mean in history,
Speaker 1: if you look at the William Morgan affair, there was
Speaker 1: a Masonic assassination and we just had that case. In France,
Speaker 1: there was a Masonic kid squad. I think those are
Speaker 1: in those are more rare than the norm. And I
Speaker 1: don't mean to be rude, but I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: I doubt that how can I. I mean, they might
Speaker 1: be to be zealous because they just want you to
Speaker 1: join the lodge.
Speaker 6: But like.
Speaker 1: I and I don't mean to hurt people's feelings. But
Speaker 1: I unfortunately I think that most people, not you do
Speaker 1: because I don't know you, but in general, people that
Speaker 1: think they're being gang stock, they're not being gangstock. It's
Speaker 1: a it's almost always people who are having uh, you know,
Speaker 1: paranoia episodes, schizophrenic episodes. If you watch the document I
Speaker 1: watched a bunch of stuff on this. Yes, I know
Speaker 1: that during the Cold War, the East German Stazzi had
Speaker 1: perfected a technique of harassing, you know, dissidence to the
Speaker 1: to the sazy. I know all about that, but I
Speaker 1: don't think that that's happening to most people, mainly because
Speaker 1: and I don't want to hurt your feelings, but like,
Speaker 1: most people are not a threats to the establishment. And
Speaker 1: if you you know, if you had like a compromising
Speaker 1: info on a politician, yeah, I might believe you're you
Speaker 1: were harassed and stalked or something. If you had dirt
Speaker 1: on uh, you know. I mean, if you're Michael Hutchinson,
Speaker 1: you're sleeping with Bob Geldoff's wife, then you might end
Speaker 1: up asphyxiated. I mean, I don't either just say like that,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of a situation where I could believe it.
Speaker 1: But if you're like, you know, random factory worker, dude,
Speaker 1: not dissing random factory worker, Like if you I'm not
Speaker 1: hating on working class folks. I'm just saying I don't
Speaker 1: think they're worried about you know, random people, whether they're
Speaker 1: joined the lodge or not. But Andrew, what's up? I mean, who, like,
Speaker 1: who have we seen oft in recent times? Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 1: whatever you think about it, whoever did it? Jeff Stein, McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: they attempted Trump, whatever you think of that, the Masonic
Speaker 1: hit squads going after organized crime or being involved in
Speaker 1: organized crime stuff. Uh, guys in the chat, remind me
Speaker 1: who are the more recent you know, people on a
Speaker 1: lot Benzer Bhutto was unalived because the Muslim stuff Breitbart unalived,
Speaker 1: it seems probably. I'm sure I'm forgetting some obvious ones
Speaker 1: people around the Clintons. Who else is? Oh? Yeah, who
Speaker 1: is the famous Uh my godfather wrote a book about
Speaker 1: the the guy that was in the circles of Hillary
Speaker 1: that was unlive. What was his name? I'm going blank
Speaker 1: on the Hillary dude. Oh, the the insurance ceo Virginia
Speaker 1: Jeffrey perhaps Sinzo, right, yeah, you had the Japanese guy
Speaker 1: I take unlived. Perhaps Kurt Cobain, perhaps David Carrodine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Seth rich Apps McAfee. I don't mean people that we
Speaker 1: speculate about. I'm saying like known on a Livings shinzo
Speaker 1: abe definitely. I mean that's kind of stuff's kind of rare,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Sorambe Cecil cecil and Harambe.
Speaker 1: There we go, Oh, Justice Scaliah, that's the one I
Speaker 1: forgot about him? Perhaps, Yeah, those are the perhaps though
Speaker 1: Andrew what's up.
Speaker 4: Hey, sorry, I'm about a power behind in the life.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if this was brought up or not.
Speaker 8: But you were looking at the cannings those first contentional
Speaker 8: bull and saw that the third one was different. I
Speaker 8: looked in the way back machine and it was changed
Speaker 8: all the way back seven.
Speaker 1: Oh you're saying that the New Advent deleted that canon. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: in November of.
Speaker 4: Six it's there.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 19: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The next snap shot is a hill seven. It's gone.
Speaker 1: Interesting. I wonder who and why they thought to do that, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. And by the way, when I was pulling
Speaker 1: up the I don't I still don't understand why there
Speaker 1: would be two versions of John Paul the Seconds uh
Speaker 1: Homilies and Jordan or speech to the Jordanians, because there's
Speaker 1: one that says still has the made John the Baptist
Speaker 1: protect Islam, and then there's another version where it's not there.
Speaker 1: And people found that the Vatican website still has both there,
Speaker 1: but I think it's the same talk. So the these
Speaker 1: are interesting questions. Why would New Advent remove that canon
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, and why would there'd be
Speaker 1: two versions of John Paul saying that one saying John
Speaker 1: the Batist protect Islam, and another one saying where he
Speaker 1: doesn't say it, Luca, what's up? But I mean, come on, now,
Speaker 1: the Vatican is like they're classics when it comes to forgeries.
Speaker 1: They're like the ancient masters of forgeries. Dude.
Speaker 3: Sorry, hey, j I'm relatively new to your channel. I've
Speaker 3: been watching you for about three months. I'm sorry.
Speaker 12: I know this is.
Speaker 4: It's sorry, my first.
Speaker 1: Time doing this kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I know the topic is cons are bad
Speaker 3: idols and stuff like that, but I have broader questions
Speaker 3: just in general, and I'm not trying to be like
Speaker 3: antagonistic or anything towards you. My family is an Orthodox Christian.
Speaker 3: I'm from Macedonia. I've just recently come into the faith
Speaker 3: almost a year ago, give or take.
Speaker 4: Through logic, I guess I was looking.
Speaker 3: Through Islam and just reading up on a bunch of things,
Speaker 3: and my conclusion was that Jesus Christ is our Lord
Speaker 3: and Savior, and the Orthodox do what Dollarsthodox Church is
Speaker 3: the one true church.
Speaker 4: And I've watched your videos on that.
Speaker 3: My question being, or one of the questions that I
Speaker 3: want your opinion on, is I think my mom is
Speaker 3: falling into the modern liberal feminist kind of ideology. And
Speaker 3: it's like, I don't really see it as an orthodox or.
Speaker 4: Even near Christianity.
Speaker 3: And it's just whenever I tried to show her any
Speaker 3: kind of debate it's involving Rachel Wilson, She's.
Speaker 23: Shut it down.
Speaker 3: Cool, this is demonic. This is that they don't watch
Speaker 3: debate like that. And she's pro abortion. But I don't
Speaker 3: know how you can hold the same claim as I'm
Speaker 3: orthodox Christian, I believe in Jesus Christ and stuff, and
Speaker 3: also be pro abortion.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you can't, right. I appreciate that, Luco. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing. You can't debate your parents. Never debate
Speaker 1: your parents. It's not gonna work. They're never gonna listen
Speaker 1: to you logically refuting them. I've never even heard of that. Ever.
Speaker 1: The only way you're gonna convert your parents is that
Speaker 1: if you become a responsible adult with a job and
Speaker 1: you know, wife and kids and all of that, then
Speaker 1: they will perhaps listen to things that you have to say.
Speaker 1: But they changed your poopy diapers. They're not interested in
Speaker 1: your logical augmentation. So don't even try it. It will
Speaker 1: get you nowhere. In fact, you'll just have a less
Speaker 1: worst relationship by trying to argue with your parents. So
Speaker 1: never ever argue with your parents. The only time I
Speaker 1: would say that it's good to do that, in my estimation,
Speaker 1: is that if they specifically ask you, like, hey, why
Speaker 1: do orthodox do this? Or what what's your view on this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: then you can give an answer, but don't don't argue
Speaker 1: with them. We're looking for people who disagree. By the way, Fugan,
Speaker 1: what's up. I'm not fussing at that guy. I don't
Speaker 1: mind people who have questions calling in fugen what's up,
Speaker 1: yo jie?
Speaker 4: What's what's going on? Father Deacon? I saw one of
Speaker 4: the Wilson's in the call.
Speaker 24: I just wanted to show up at my real quick.
Speaker 24: Love you guys, God bless But I'm gonna get right
Speaker 24: to the point. I'm still learning about Acumanism. I just
Speaker 24: picked up Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future. I'm
Speaker 24: gonna be honest. The ship from Rose talks about Legit
Speaker 24: scares the absolute shit out of me.
Speaker 1: What exactly? What exactly is scary? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: So that's what it is?
Speaker 4: What I'm That's what I'm talking about. So someone is
Speaker 4: still learning and coming into the church.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: It talks a lot about that. It uses the word
Speaker 4: antichrist a lot.
Speaker 24: Right, And how do you share something like this with
Speaker 24: people that you know that are in these churches, right,
Speaker 24: that are still your friends, it's still your family, and
Speaker 24: not sound like an absolute insane person.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 24: This is something that I think is worth talking about
Speaker 24: or at least to explain that these theological views are
Speaker 24: just far from true Christianity.
Speaker 1: Well, like we mentioned a minute ago with the previous guy,
Speaker 1: with family, you're never going to get anywhere debating your family.
Speaker 1: And the same goes for your brothers and sisters too.
Speaker 1: My younger brother and I we used to have arguments
Speaker 1: all the time, and I would try to debate him.
Speaker 1: I try to debate with my mom and my dad.
Speaker 1: It doesn't go anywhere because they've been around you their
Speaker 1: whole life. They've seen every mistake and flaw and sin
Speaker 1: that you've done publicly. They know all that and it
Speaker 1: just doesn't work. So they have to see a change
Speaker 1: in you over time. So keep in mind too, because
Speaker 1: a lot of us are theology nerds, we're spergs where
Speaker 1: philosophy weirdos. We think that everybody's going to be thinking
Speaker 1: logically and argumentation wise about how to have solve these problems. No,
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of people don't think that way. They
Speaker 1: think that what's true is what I want to be true.
Speaker 1: So there's got to be a change in the person.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times this comes when a difficulty
Speaker 1: happens in their life. It doesn't come through logical augmentation
Speaker 1: very rarely. Usually it's a death in the family, car wreck, illness.
Speaker 1: Those are the things that get people thinking, maybe my
Speaker 1: paradigm isn't what I want to be true, but maybe
Speaker 1: I have to actually submit to something true. So until
Speaker 1: those things happen in a person's life, arguing and debating
Speaker 1: is limited in its effectiveness. So the best approach with
Speaker 1: friends and family is feel them out. If they're open
Speaker 1: to it, then take a hey, check out this documentary,
Speaker 1: check out this book, tell me what you think of it.
Speaker 1: Take that kind of judo approach. Let them come to you,
Speaker 1: let them ask the questions. Don't be aggressive with your
Speaker 1: friends and family. You can be aggressive with your bros,
Speaker 1: right because bros can appreciate and take aggression. Your mom,
Speaker 1: your grandma, don't prece have grandma. That's what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say, applied by the rule of don't pres grandma, fway,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 4: Yep, you could hear me. I could barely hear you.
Speaker 1: I can hear you.
Speaker 4: Well, oh, I you know, I was gonna ask a question.
Speaker 28: So basically I had started o Cia within the Catholic Church.
Speaker 28: But then like after really inquiring a line and doing
Speaker 28: some like research, I wanted to pursue like basically inquiring
Speaker 28: of Orthodoxy. So I went to a church and I
Speaker 28: spoke to a priest and I was telling him how basically.
Speaker 22: The church that I was in o Cia, and they
Speaker 22: were saying that.
Speaker 28: Dating and recognized my Baptist and so I was trying
Speaker 28: I was trying to tell him he might end up
Speaker 28: you know, he was saying that he might end up
Speaker 28: going through the same thing, like he might end up
Speaker 28: feeling the same way.
Speaker 4: But what he told me was, since I was.
Speaker 28: Already in Ocia, what he told me was that it
Speaker 28: would probably make more sense for me to finish that
Speaker 28: out and go through with the whole process and then
Speaker 28: come to him, and then he would receive me that
Speaker 28: way because he would have like less baggage. I just
Speaker 28: wanted to know, like since you have father on like,
Speaker 28: is that an appropriate No?
Speaker 1: Not typically, I mean unless there's some extenuating circumstance that
Speaker 1: we don't know about. Not, that's not. Does the stream
Speaker 1: still going? Look like? Did it cut off? Looks like
Speaker 1: it's still going? Maybe just shut shut down on YouTube, FDA.
Speaker 1: Would you say anything about that? All right? He can't
Speaker 1: hear me. No, unfortunately, that's not.
Speaker 10: Sorry, could you say again it's probably but without even
Speaker 10: knowing probably not.
Speaker 4: What's the question now?
Speaker 1: He says that Orthodox Pre he's told him to finish
Speaker 1: his Roman calcol r c I A absolutely not all right? Uh, well,
Speaker 1: Pre said, you know what I know you are going to.
Speaker 4: The scientology. Uh what do they call that when you
Speaker 4: do auditing?
Speaker 1: Auditing?
Speaker 4: I think you just finish up that program, finish up
Speaker 4: whatever it deals that you have with the cartel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get go ahead and get catechized in the Vatican
Speaker 1: to religion, and then we'll then then come in.
Speaker 4: After after you've done all the satanic stuff.
Speaker 6: We just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jake, what's something Hey look here, ja, Yes, sir.
Speaker 11: Hey, it was something either last night or the previous
Speaker 11: live you said something about many or some of the
Speaker 11: you know, stories of the saints are similar to myth
Speaker 11: or legend, And I was curious because what got me
Speaker 11: into Orthodoxy was kind of a lot of the biographies
Speaker 11: and whatnot lives of the saints.
Speaker 4: And I was but also very skeptical.
Speaker 11: As well of some of the stories that I heard.
Speaker 11: Do you know any literature that goes deeper into what
Speaker 11: you were insinuating the other night?
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, all right, I mean I think
Speaker 1: it's just it's obvious that there are legends. Ah, what
Speaker 1: the delineator is? I mean, I don't know. There's no
Speaker 1: easy answer to that test this what's up? Oh you
Speaker 1: guys remind me? Yeah, there's a bunch of super chests.
Speaker 1: I got to catch up here, non fake Blake ten dollars.
Speaker 1: People in this evangelical online e space is care more
Speaker 1: about dollars in truth, for us, it is about eternal life.
Speaker 1: It's not easy. Their business appeal is a bare minimum salvation.
Speaker 1: Thus their only hope is to have acumunism. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: talked about that last night. That's the model that Peter Drucker,
Speaker 1: who's the big, big daddy of evangelical megachurch stuff, who
Speaker 1: was not even a Christian. He created this business model,
Speaker 1: and he said, for the business model to be successful,
Speaker 1: it has to be a cumunist. It has to have
Speaker 1: no dogmas, because then you're just excluding people tests this
Speaker 1: what's up.
Speaker 4: Secially weird using can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: All right, there's something I want to mention.
Speaker 29: And I'm a catech caman from like a strong IFP backgrounds.
Speaker 29: You know that Liberty University back when our grandparents were
Speaker 29: emission you know, seminary. And it's specifically kind of with
Speaker 29: that Jim Bob debate you had with the scriptural preservation.
Speaker 29: He mentioned that verse that would they always bring up
Speaker 29: with the not one jot or tittle would pass away?
Speaker 29: And I often like to refer to it like that.
Speaker 29: Even the Hebrew text, you know, the Old Testament is
Speaker 29: perfectly preserved from when it was written. But you know,
Speaker 29: I know you say you're not a textual staller, but
Speaker 29: it seems like a very easy kill shot.
Speaker 6: For that view.
Speaker 1: Specifically, what's the kill shot exactly.
Speaker 29: The whole idea that not one jot or tittle, so
Speaker 29: specifically every single letter, you know, down to the letter
Speaker 29: preservation for the Old Testament is held up until today.
Speaker 29: But with the actual wave it was preserved. It's kind
Speaker 29: of hard to make that kind of claim.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just so many things that we're mentioned in
Speaker 1: the debate, and you'll if you end up doing a
Speaker 1: lot of debates, you'll realize that you can't address everything
Speaker 1: that a person brings up, especially when it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: not formal and just constant back and forth, and you
Speaker 1: have to choose in the heat of the moment which
Speaker 1: things you want to respond to and which things are
Speaker 1: more important so that you don't let the opponent take
Speaker 1: you down a rabbit trail. And you'll notice when I
Speaker 1: do debates, almost always I stick to two or three
Speaker 1: key issues that I never let go. And that's because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different tactics and techniques that people
Speaker 1: can do in debates to get around issues and challenges,
Speaker 1: and one of those is to deflect over into other
Speaker 1: topics and then go down a rabbit trail. And so
Speaker 1: I always bring it back to the thing maybe three
Speaker 1: things that are not answered. And that's because that really,
Speaker 1: I think emphasizes the main faults in the person's position,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't allow them. Because I've done debates for
Speaker 1: a long time, I know all the tricks and the
Speaker 1: snaky tactics that people are going to do. And one
Speaker 1: of the easiest is obvious that that's easy to spot
Speaker 1: is when people try to go off into some other
Speaker 1: tangent to get you to reflected away from the thing
Speaker 1: where they don't have much to say, or they're weak
Speaker 1: or they can't answer it. That's why you have to
Speaker 1: call out two quoquay is because most of the time
Speaker 1: people are doing it too quotuay. It's because they don't
Speaker 1: want to answer the question you just ask them. And
Speaker 1: a two quot way is not an internal critique. It's
Speaker 1: two different things. Beef salt, rabbi waivos frantiros is more
Speaker 1: correct than you exactly, sterling five dollars? What's a black
Speaker 1: aaroney ten dollars? Have you seen Hispanic pentis? I don't
Speaker 1: know what that is. I was raised as a Dominican
Speaker 1: penty is this a group of people? I don't know
Speaker 1: what that is. They found that a Hispanic church in
Speaker 1: the US, and one of the pastors showed a picture
Speaker 1: whoa of a young, unalived person that was sacrificed too
Speaker 1: to Satan. To pepple for people or is pepple something
Speaker 1: Hispanic Tentius. I can't are you saying that's a cult.
Speaker 1: I don't understand what you're saying. Let's see, by the way,
Speaker 1: this is a shout out to Gooster. I did bring
Speaker 1: up a bunch of the links that Gooster sent. I
Speaker 1: told you guys were gonna we're going to cover his
Speaker 1: links because he old school ortho bro for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: knows all of Maybe he was in the mega churches,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he knows all about the history
Speaker 1: of the megachurches. And this is a thing he sent
Speaker 1: from a guy called Todd Wilson. I don't know anything
Speaker 1: about this. The Leadership podcast, and this is about personal
Speaker 1: growth and basically like the business model of the church.
Speaker 1: So we're not going to go into this whole podcast,
Speaker 1: but you guys can watch this if you want. This
Speaker 1: is what these evangelical types are being taught. Right, So
Speaker 1: the Ruslan types, the Gavin Ortland types, they watch these
Speaker 1: dudes too, and Redeem Zoom or these like, they watch
Speaker 1: these people to figure out marketing strategies to create their
Speaker 1: business churches. But you said there's a cult called Hispanic penthees,
Speaker 1: no Dominican Pentees, you know, like Dominican Republic about the
Speaker 1: Dominican order Dominican pepsis. All that gives me is bad
Speaker 1: bitches behaving, misbehaving, bad Dominican bitches misbehaving. I don't know
Speaker 1: what Dominican penties, panties, I don't know what that is
Speaker 1: dog Dominican penty. And there's a Hispanic church I don't know,
Speaker 1: lucas five dollars. Thank you, Jay, I forgot that YouTube
Speaker 1: doesn't allow the that word. Uh, it's hard to know
Speaker 1: what they're doing doing. I'm not sure I'm interested in
Speaker 1: getting into debate. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Appreciate
Speaker 1: that man. Oh Pentecostal black Aruni says Dominican Pentecostal the
Speaker 1: pastor showed a charred on a lived person to hype
Speaker 1: up people. Oh against spiritual warfare. Interesting, so you wasn't
Speaker 1: talking about these bad bitches. How the modern churches shaped
Speaker 1: business church. Okay, here's another one that Gooster said we
Speaker 1: need to check out. This one is called this is
Speaker 1: about the implosion of the megachurches. There's nothing you can
Speaker 1: do to make God stop loving you, because God's love
Speaker 1: is not based on who you are, based on who
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 6: You have to know who God made you to be.
Speaker 1: That's your identity.
Speaker 6: This book sold fifty million copies. It became the best
Speaker 6: selling hardcover nonfiction book in American history. Rick Warren's face
Speaker 6: was on Time, magazine, Newsweek, and every major Christian publication.
Speaker 6: Presidents called him for advice, and nobody talks about the
Speaker 6: churches it destroyed. Between twenty three and twenty ten, thousands
Speaker 6: of American congregations adopted his program, Some of them grew,
Speaker 6: many of them split, and across the country, people who
Speaker 6: had worshiped in the same queues for decades found themselves
Speaker 6: pushed out the door. This is the story, they didn't
Speaker 6: it on the bookjacket. In two thousand and two, Rick
Speaker 6: Warren was already a superstar pastor. His church in Orange County,
Speaker 6: California had grown from a Bible study in his living
Speaker 6: room to a megachurch with fifteen thousand weekly attendees. But
Speaker 6: the Purpose Driven Life changed everything. The book was simple,
Speaker 6: forty chapters, forty days, one promise you would discover God's
Speaker 6: purpose for your life. It sold a million copies in
Speaker 6: four months, then five million, then ten million by two
Speaker 6: thousand and seven, and had sold over thirty million copies
Speaker 6: in fifty six Languages. Publishers Weekly called it the best
Speaker 6: selling hard damn.
Speaker 1: I remember too, back in the two thousands or whatever,
Speaker 1: like you would go and in thrift stores, you know,
Speaker 1: book hunting, and you would see like twenty copies of
Speaker 1: the cell Esteine Prophecy and twenty copies of Purpose Driven Life.
Speaker 1: I remember every evangelical had this, freaking because I was
Speaker 1: already out of evangelicalism when this came out. I was
Speaker 1: a tradcat. And I remember, like, you see this stupid
Speaker 1: book everywhere, dude.
Speaker 6: Cover nonfiction book in American publishing history. OPRAH featured it.
Speaker 6: Corporations bought it for their employees. The military distributed it
Speaker 6: to troops. Even secular bookstores couldn't kee on the shelves.
Speaker 6: Warren became America's pastor.
Speaker 1: The military distributed this book to troops. That's crazy, damn, dude.
Speaker 1: This really is the official American civic religion is mega Churchianity.
Speaker 6: And Hurricane Katrina business church devastated New Orleans. He mobilized
Speaker 6: thousands of churches for relief efforts. When world leaders gathered
Speaker 6: at Dabos, he was there. When Barack Obama needed someone
Speaker 6: to give the invocation.
Speaker 1: He went to Davos.
Speaker 6: What when Barack Obama needed someone to give the invocation
Speaker 6: at his inauguration in two thousand and nine for relief efforts.
Speaker 1: Well, actually, that makes sense because he's in the CFR.
Speaker 1: People forget that Rick Warren was in the council.
Speaker 6: Warren relations world leaders gathered at Tabas.
Speaker 1: He was there.
Speaker 6: When Barack Obama needed someone to give the invocation at
Speaker 6: his inauguration in two thousand and nine, he called Rick Warren.
Speaker 6: Saddleback Church became the model everyone wanted to copy, while
Speaker 6: pastors flew in from around the world to study Warren's methods,
Speaker 6: Seminary professors required his books, denominations restructured their training programs
Speaker 6: around his principles seminary.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine reading Rick Warren's book and seminary. Don't
Speaker 1: read that, Saint John Christostom, we got purpose driven life, dude.
Speaker 6: What The purpose driven movement wasn't just about individual spiritual
Speaker 6: growth anymore. It had become a blueprint for church transformation.
Speaker 6: Warren's previous book, The Purpose Driven Church.
Speaker 1: And I've even blown away at how business Church was
Speaker 1: actually ten times more business church than I thought it was. Wow.
Speaker 6: Ready sold over a million copies to pastors. Now, with
Speaker 6: the Purpose Driven Life reaching ordinary believers, he had both
Speaker 6: the leaders and the congregations ready for change. By two
Speaker 6: thousand and five, Warren was training four hundred thousand pastors
Speaker 6: through his website his conferences.
Speaker 1: Every time I hear saddleback, what's that game movie with
Speaker 1: Jake Jillenhall broke Back Mountain Church? I think it broke back, broke.
Speaker 6: Back chirts just a saddle back pulled out months in advance.
Speaker 6: His Peace Plan promised to mobilize a billion Christians to
Speaker 6: solve the world's biggest problems. This wasn't just a successful book.
Speaker 6: This was a revolution horror. But the book came with
Speaker 6: something else, something most readers didn't know about when they
Speaker 6: picked it up at Barnes and Noble. It came with
Speaker 6: a program, and that program would split churches from California
Speaker 6: to Carolina. The program was called forty Days of Purpose.
Speaker 6: It was a turnkey church campaign that came in a
Speaker 6: box for thirty nine dollars ninety five cents. Churches got everything, sermon.
Speaker 1: It was a marketing scheme. So the Purpose Driven Life
Speaker 1: had a forty dollars thing. For forty days, you get
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Speaker 1: your boy donal La Prie was unlived. We got a
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Speaker 1: Who was Don Laprie. Well, if you were in the nineties,
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Speaker 1: with a flat top that was fat and helped you
Speaker 1: get skinny, get a flat top. I'm not joking, by
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Speaker 1: from Rick Warren to Saint John Christos to Susan Powder
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Speaker 1: you would be partying. You've been drinking zemas all night.
Speaker 1: You're half drunk at your buddies after the party, hanging
Speaker 1: out on a Friday night. You fall asleep on the
Speaker 1: couch in the nineties, it's nineteen ninety five. You wake
Speaker 1: up groggy, it's two in the morning, and after the TV,
Speaker 1: this TV is still playing and this is what's on
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Speaker 6: What happened.
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Speaker 1: And there's she would actually be attractive. She didn't have
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Speaker 1: la prix.
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Speaker 1: Media on the face of the planet.
Speaker 22: In fact, television has proven this year after year, decade
Speaker 22: after decade. If you're not using video to promote your
Speaker 22: product or your servi, you're missing out on the internet
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Speaker 1: The original though, I want their original Don la prie,
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Speaker 1: I want the original ads though, I don't want all
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Speaker 30: To realize how.
Speaker 1: So you don't want to see the Susan powder infommercial,
Speaker 1: so you switch over to the other channel on cable
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Speaker 13: Once you realize how much money you can make doing this,
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Speaker 1: So now, what was don La Prize's model for those
Speaker 1: that don't know placing tiny ads and classified magazines About
Speaker 1: how to place tiny ads and classify magazines to get paid?
Speaker 1: WHOA and what is Rick Warren's model? Forty dollars to
Speaker 1: get the full course on how to teach people. The
Speaker 1: forty dollars.
Speaker 6: Course outlines small group guides, marketing materials, pennerstant inserts, even
Speaker 6: the graphics for their websites. Pastors didn't need to write
Speaker 6: a single sermon, They didn't need to create a single
Speaker 6: Bible study. They just needed to follow the script. Warren's organization,
Speaker 6: now called Purpose Driven Ministries, provided training videos, They offered
Speaker 6: coaching calls. They created an online community where pastors could
Speaker 6: share success stories and troubleshoot problems. More than thirty thousand
Speaker 6: churches signed up in the first three years. Think about
Speaker 6: that number. Thirty thousand congregations in cities and small towns,
Speaker 6: Baptist churches, Methodist churches, Presbyterian churches, non denominational churches, even
Speaker 6: some Catholic parishes, all following the same program, all preaching
Speaker 6: the same messages, all moving toward the same model. And
Speaker 6: that model had a name, Seeker Sensitive. The idea wasn't
Speaker 6: new Warren had learned it from men like Robert Schuler
Speaker 6: and Bill Hibbles.
Speaker 1: By the way, this is how all of these people
Speaker 1: became so effeminate, because their churches are modeled on what's
Speaker 1: called a seeker sensitive model of church membership, meaning don't
Speaker 1: do anything, say anything related to repentance, changing your life, dogma,
Speaker 1: anything like that, because we don't want to scare them off. Now,
Speaker 1: after a few decades of this nonsense, all of these
Speaker 1: effeminate evangelicals are now reflecting this in their seeker sensitive
Speaker 1: orthobo mad bad people line of argumentation.
Speaker 6: Jueler and Bill Hibbs pastors who had built megachurches by
Speaker 6: rethinking everything about Sunday morning. They asked a simple question,
Speaker 6: why don't unchurched people come to church? The answer seemed obvious.
Speaker 6: Traditional churches felt foreign to outsiders. The hymns were old,
Speaker 6: the language was religious, the buildings looked like museums. If
Speaker 6: you wanted to reach modern people, you needed a modern approach.
Speaker 6: Warren took this philosophy and packaged it. He taught pastors
Speaker 6: to think like marketers identify.
Speaker 1: And this was from Peter Drucker. As we saw in
Speaker 1: the Last Stream your target audience. He even gave his
Speaker 1: target a name.
Speaker 6: Saddleback Sam, a professional man in his thirties or forties,
Speaker 6: married kids, too busy for church, but searching for meeting design.
Speaker 6: Everything for Sam, the music, the messages, the parking lot,
Speaker 6: the coffee bar, yes, the coffee bar. Remove anything that
Speaker 6: might make Sam uncomfortable. Anciently, I remember the first time
Speaker 6: I went to a it's a Presbyterian church in Nashville.
Speaker 6: And I was there with my ex girlfriend back in
Speaker 6: the it's like two thousand and four or five, somewhere
Speaker 6: in there, and my buddies and I we drove out
Speaker 6: to Nashville. We were hanging out with my ex girlfriend
Speaker 6: from high school and she went to this is the
Speaker 6: church that the Jars of Clay dude went to.
Speaker 1: Before he went faking gay or whatever he is now.
Speaker 1: So we went to this church and uh, this is
Speaker 1: right when I'd become a tradcat. This was like two
Speaker 1: thousand and three or four. And we went to this
Speaker 1: Protestant PCA church in Nashville actually, and we walked in
Speaker 1: and there was a giant like Starbucks Barista coffee bar,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, a coffee bar in the narthex of
Speaker 1: the church is the first time I'd ever seen that,
Speaker 1: but that actually comes out of Rick Warren's thing.
Speaker 6: It was gone religous syms, hidden long prayers.
Speaker 1: Who is the Jars of Clay? Dude? By the way,
Speaker 1: I forget that guy's name. Didn't he go.
Speaker 30: Full U?
Speaker 1: And I knew it was a bad sign because I went.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing I saw Jars of Clay in concert
Speaker 1: around the same time because I still like some of
Speaker 1: the evangelical goober music at the time, and I remember
Speaker 1: it was a bad sign because I'm the During the concert,
Speaker 1: they played a special message from Bono asking for money,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, dude, this is the worst.
Speaker 1: Who's the jars of Clay? Dude? The jar yard Jar
Speaker 1: Jars of Clay? Chart music?
Speaker 16: Can swim for forty d's.
Speaker 1: Jarge Yards of Clay, Dude, that's funny. Uh, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of angles you could take with jar jars of clay.
Speaker 16: If I can swim up to forty date Dan.
Speaker 1: Hazelt that's him. Yeah, So he went. So he used
Speaker 1: to go to the PCA church in Nashville, which was
Speaker 1: my ex girlfriend's church. This is before or anything to
Speaker 1: do with or I didn't anything about orthodoxy in two
Speaker 1: thousand and three or four, and this was the church
Speaker 1: where they had the coffee bar. And then a few
Speaker 1: years later Dan becomes an LGBTQ ally shocker.
Speaker 27: Right.
Speaker 1: But even in the nineties when I was hanging out
Speaker 1: with people, because I when I became evangelical in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety seven and eight, I had a bunch of friends
Speaker 1: that were in the music scene and they were friends
Speaker 1: with all of the Nashville Christian rock and roll Christian
Speaker 1: artists people, so I got to meet and hang out
Speaker 1: with some of these people. I never met this Dan dude.
Speaker 1: I did meet and I went to a Bible study
Speaker 1: with Mac from Third Day, So I've actually hung out
Speaker 1: with a Third Day dude one time. What's his name,
Speaker 1: Mac Powell, I think. And I've met not a lot.
Speaker 1: I've met like a handful of these Christian evangelical rockers
Speaker 1: over the years. But it always, even in the nineties,
Speaker 1: there was all these whispers that like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: all these evangelical rockers they're all gay, right, And I
Speaker 1: don't know that Dan Haselsteen himself is gay, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying there was all these rumors in the nineties that,
Speaker 1: like all the a lot not all. A lot of
Speaker 1: the people were Skittles. And remember Jennifer Napp, she was
Speaker 1: like the biggest Christian thing for like two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: two three. Then she gets invited to uh Lila Fair
Speaker 1: and then she comes out as Skittles and it's like,
Speaker 1: what the heck is? Well, how are all of these remember?
Speaker 1: And the same thing with the Caveman's called Remember the
Speaker 1: Caveman's call Dude, the biggest Calvinists band, And remember Dan
Speaker 1: Halseleton was going to Calvinist Church. They're Calvinists for like
Speaker 1: ten years, and then they turned Skittles.
Speaker 31: And then the guy that signed them left and so
Speaker 31: then all their budget money the day their record dropped,
Speaker 31: his gut, their guy was gone. So then all their
Speaker 31: budget radio money went to Jarza Clay, Jarza Clays, Jarza Clay.
Speaker 31: Now yeah, and then all of a sudden it got
Speaker 31: dropped because all of a sudden he goes Doe. We
Speaker 31: try to call and no one to pick up, like
Speaker 31: no one knew they were resigned to her. So I
Speaker 31: know what you mean, from that start, that's crazy, jars Clay.
Speaker 31: I haven't heard that name is forever. I mean, but
Speaker 31: like you know, boom you know they they get all
Speaker 31: the radio money.
Speaker 1: They became an act. I met Butch Walker through Jeremy
Speaker 1: pop Off. I thought that was gonna be an actually
Speaker 1: interesting video. Didn't say anything at all. So let me
Speaker 1: think of what what is that PC eight?
Speaker 30: I think it's PCA.
Speaker 1: I think it's the big PCA Churchimber. Let's see if
Speaker 1: it still has a coffee shop. That's not it. This,
Speaker 1: by the way, is like the mega rich area of Nashville.
Speaker 1: Christ Presbyterian. It might be that one. That's it. I
Speaker 1: think that's it. Christ Presbyterian, Cool Springs. I want to
Speaker 1: see if they still have a big coffee bar.
Speaker 30: I don't know if the so or not.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it doesn't matter. Who cares what am I doing.
Speaker 1: Let's get back to rig.
Speaker 6: One offering plates replaced with boxes in the back, make
Speaker 6: church field like the rest of Sam's week, professional, practical, positive,
Speaker 6: non threatening. It worked at saddleback, why wouldn't it work everywhere?
Speaker 6: But there was something Warren's training materials mentioned only briefly,
Speaker 6: something pastors wouldn't fully understand until they were months into
Speaker 6: the transformation. Not everyone in their churches was saddleback Sam.
Speaker 6: The changes started small.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, but that doesn't mean that there's no subversion Orthodoxy.
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Speaker 1: skulls is bad? You mean like death to the world.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of Protestants are just superstitious when
Speaker 1: it comes to symbology, and they act like ritual magic goobers,
Speaker 1: and they think that like a skull is necessarily automatically satanic.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's retarded. So they're just doing a version
Speaker 1: of word concept fallacy. But with symbols, it's like when
Speaker 1: you know, Baptist Grandma says, I saint the icon and
Speaker 1: it had a halo. That's a the Hindu Sun God imagery.
Speaker 1: It's like it's signifying the uncreated energies, deifying the saint.
Speaker 1: It's the uncreated light. It's not the Sun God, but
Speaker 1: I saint the Hindu thing that was the Sun God.
Speaker 1: The same thing. Yeah, but They're not the same thing.
Speaker 1: They're different, Big boy ten dollars. The strategy of calling
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to work the long run.
Speaker 1: People will just see all the Muslim debates and immediately
Speaker 1: know that all the Zyobros are US pathetic liars. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Why would I have debated all the top Muslims and
Speaker 1: gone on podcasts with Ridwan and would debunking Islam as
Speaker 1: a Muslim collaborator. It's just so stupid. But but again,
Speaker 1: they are actually relying on their eighty IQ Muslim convert audience, right,
Speaker 1: That's that's who they're talking They're not talking to Orthobros.
Speaker 1: They're shoring up their cult against us. In their cult,
Speaker 1: just like Christian Prince's army of ad Iq Muslim converts.
Speaker 1: They don't think in terms of fallacies and argumentation. They
Speaker 1: think in emotion. They're emo, So they respond to what
Speaker 1: wh do the Dieter share that Muslim correct? That mean
Speaker 1: hi Muslim? Jay Diner said, Muslim correct Muslim. It's so stupid.
Speaker 1: It's like you're but you're talking to people that are
Speaker 1: like Noah says Schrodinger's a humanism. Protestants only view Orthodox
Speaker 1: as Christians if the Orthodox isn't attacking Protestant doctrine. Exactly right,
Speaker 1: that's why there's That's, as Cleve pointed out, that's why
Speaker 1: they're not attacking Orthodoxy. They're attacking Orthobros. But in reality
Speaker 1: they just disagree with Orthodoxy. Zombie twenty dollars. I listened
Speaker 1: to the dude named Alton Johnson of the Black Dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I try to get him the debate. You wouldn't come
Speaker 1: do it. He is the black dude on X that
Speaker 1: has the laser eyes PfP yep. He and gay p
Speaker 1: spent an hour tone policing and crying about the words
Speaker 1: that were used. JP said the same thing that Rouselin said.
Speaker 1: Jay has to repent. Yeah, exactly, like I'm going to
Speaker 1: repent to these dudes. This is so gay. Notice like
Speaker 1: they don't believe in confession to a priest, even though
Speaker 1: they bring a schismatic priest on their dumb show. And
Speaker 1: then rouselm demands that I publicly repent to him. I thought,
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Speaker 1: You have many in your corner. Our prayers are with you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, John. Five dollars. You are killing it. They
Speaker 1: won't debate you make a chat GPD version of Hess
Speaker 1: to debate you just for shits and googles. Who's Hess?
Speaker 1: Rudolph hes mkg forty dollars. What is true piety? It
Speaker 1: is how well you can signal it on Twitter. That's
Speaker 1: true piety. Spit on the West two dollars. In eighteen hundred,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Edwards John Edwards, John Edwards became their bishop. Who's they?
Speaker 1: Who's John Edwards? You mean Jonathan Edwards the Puritan nowadays
Speaker 1: of ten dollars? Don't think agreeing with a Muslim? Do
Speaker 1: you not think agreeing with a Muslim will give them
Speaker 1: enemy power?
Speaker 15: No?
Speaker 1: I think it shows intellectual honesty. If Jake, the Muslim
Speaker 1: metaphysician says that the Theophanes and Orthodox theology are uncreated,
Speaker 1: that's correct. I'm not gonna say, no, Jake, you're wrong,
Speaker 1: they're created because he's Muslim. This is so stupid. Anthony
Speaker 1: fi dollars. What are your thoughts on Orthodox Christian academia.
Speaker 1: You're not going to be welcome. I mean there's only
Speaker 1: some certain sectors where you could probably get Like, if
Speaker 1: you find some somewhat traditionalists Roman Catholic school, maybe you
Speaker 1: could get through. I don't know, but I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was made clear to me in the two thousands
Speaker 1: by the academic strata where I was trying to become
Speaker 1: an academic. You're not going to be welcome here as
Speaker 1: a straight white male. So you can do with that
Speaker 1: what you want. Tingos as we're twenty dollars? Have you
Speaker 1: covered Mike Winger? Idm Mike Winger. In fact, I tried
Speaker 1: to get him a couple times to debate and he
Speaker 1: ended up just blocking me so and he took huge
Speaker 1: offense for me daring to offer to debate. You understand,
Speaker 1: these people, they're so fragile and passive, aggressive, soy that
Speaker 1: they lose their shit if you offer to debate them.
Speaker 1: I used to watch Mike Winger and thought he was intelligent,
Speaker 1: but I don't watch him anymore well, because he's not
Speaker 1: needs world five dollars. In Genesis four eight, the Orthodox
Speaker 1: Study Bible cites the Masoretic text. This makes it hard
Speaker 1: to read the whne the notes of this of the
Speaker 1: Study Bible citing the Masoretic So what Graham five dollars
Speaker 1: Deep Doctor Cooper, five dollars, the pro Germanic Orthobro, Constantine
Speaker 1: hated pop Christianity. What Who's are you talking about? Somebody today?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about Constantine the Emperor? I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about.
Speaker 16: Son of Salads?
Speaker 1: Are five dollars? Keep pressure on these clowns. Okay, tweet
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Speaker 4: How do I monetize this speech?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: How do I monetize?
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Speaker 4: How do I feel a business? I don't really care
Speaker 4: about how many followers I have to I need seven figures.
Speaker 1: By the way, those are all real rouselin quotes. Now
Speaker 1: that's hello, listener, that's not me. Uh whosoever. Ten dollars?
Speaker 1: What do you think about Little Season Revelation twenty? I
Speaker 1: don't think about it because there's nothing to do with
Speaker 1: Orthodox Christianity. Tip eight five dollars. Tyrants create the conditions
Speaker 1: and impetus for revolution. The error papal supremacy of one
Speaker 1: man holding absolute power was always going to produce the
Speaker 1: aggrieved clergyman like Luther. Absolutely, this is what Saint Justin
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Speaker 1: into a Pentecostal church. I don't understand why Roman Catholics
Speaker 1: don't get that liturgy is also theology. Well they've lost
Speaker 1: the liturgy. That's what I'm trying to say is like
Speaker 1: reverent masses are unfortunately not the norm anymore. Anonymous five dollars.
Speaker 1: Jay are going to watch the Twisted Yoga? I think yes,
Speaker 1: Jamie is gonna and I are gonna watch this documentary.
Speaker 1: So yes, I've heard of this. I recommended it to
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Speaker 1: that's all about, dude, Benson five dollars. Did you see
Speaker 1: that Bob from Speaker's Corner is gonna talk to ap
Speaker 1: about ecumenism. It's all piety signaling. Yep. Well, I had
Speaker 1: a huge argument with Bob the Builder on Discord in
Speaker 1: like twenty twenty because this whole thing is like church
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, just debate the Muslims with apologetics. And I'm like, sorry, dude,
Speaker 1: I like your you know, I like your idea of
Speaker 1: doing apologetics, but you can't do apologetics without the church
Speaker 1: and all these people want to do that, And I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't even think Reridbond's orthodox. Kezy two dollars is
Speaker 1: David Bentley hart Spook cooock Er Crook, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: here we go again, yep. Every time what's up became
Speaker 1: memember pro fo or ten dollars Mesi Ronaldo or Eric Cantona. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't follow soccer, but because Eric Cantona used to
Speaker 1: email me and DM me. We used to have some
Speaker 1: theology because he used to be in a theology. Don't
Speaker 1: know if he is now, but he used to be
Speaker 1: in a theology. And when I had my old blog,
Speaker 1: he started commenting and I was like, is that really
Speaker 1: Eric Cantona? And then we started dming I think on
Speaker 1: Facebook back in like two thousand and eight, and at
Speaker 1: the time, if I recall, he was a Calvinist, but
Speaker 1: he he found some of the arguments about sol scriptura
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff somewhat interesting, maybe halfway
Speaker 1: interested in it. And I mean we didn't talk a lot.
Speaker 1: We probably had maybe I don't know, five or six
Speaker 1: lengthy dms back and forth about the and he used
Speaker 1: to comment on the blog. So I guess, out of
Speaker 1: all those people, Eric Cantona, even though I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about soccer players, so I don't know, I think
Speaker 1: he was the first famous person on the Internet that
Speaker 1: I ever interacted with. Groovey been in a twenty dollars
Speaker 1: thank you for all the book revenation. Do you have
Speaker 1: any recommendation regarding baptism or the gifts, Holy Spirit and tongues.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've done several videos de blinking charismaticism, orthodoxy
Speaker 1: in the Religion the Future debunks it. I'm being hurt
Speaker 1: since Serious, absolutely one or percent Serious used to I
Speaker 1: mean we were weren't talking on the phone. It's not
Speaker 1: like I've had like hours of conversation with their cantona,
Speaker 1: but like it was just like uh dms and website comments.
Speaker 1: He was a pretty every he was an occasional commenter
Speaker 1: on my old blog, and it was really him and
Speaker 1: we had some I can't remember his Facebook or emails
Speaker 1: back and forth back in the day, but let me
Speaker 1: see if there's h He also might have found the
Speaker 1: the movie stuff interesting too, because he was in uh,
Speaker 1: the Elizabeth movie. Doesn't he play a jesuit assassin in
Speaker 1: the movie Eric Kenton Erica.
Speaker 6: H h.
Speaker 1: H maybe he uh, maybe he kept that private. Let's
Speaker 1: see what this is about. What the hell is that about? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there doesn't It doesn't look like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: public stuff about any of his religious beliefs. Maybe he
Speaker 1: just kept it private. But I mean I do remember
Speaker 1: him specifically saying that he found Calvinism convincing, but maybe
Speaker 1: maybe it was a passing intellectual interest or I don't know,
Speaker 1: but uh, we did have that conversation. I'm not lying.
Speaker 1: Why would I lie about that? I don't know anything
Speaker 1: about soccer, Like I'm gonna just make up some random
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I talked to a random of soccer player, like,
Speaker 1: I don't need to make up wisely, that's just a retarded,
Speaker 1: nonsense lie. So I don't appreciate being called liar either.
Speaker 1: Would you don't have You don't have any basis to
Speaker 1: think or say that I'm lying. You missed my super chat?
Speaker 1: Uh the palma gravy banana twenty dollars? Tank you for
Speaker 1: the book recommendation? Do you have any recommendation reguardy baptism?
Speaker 1: What we did that one basil? Five dollars?
Speaker 24: Jay?
Speaker 1: Would you or Andrew or any other people? Wait? Group?
Speaker 1: Make a media group? Yeah, just make a media group.
Speaker 1: I mean, Bro, that takes like Daily Wire was hundreds
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars. Bro Charles says for ten dollars.
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Speaker 1: ten dollars? Jay, I hope you're well. Could you give
Speaker 1: me thoughts on the bulgate? I mean it was the
Speaker 1: normative Bible for the Latin Church for a good while,
Speaker 1: but I don't. It's not the normative Church or Bible
Speaker 1: for the Orthodox Church. So I don't. I don't really
Speaker 1: have much to say, and.
Speaker 15: No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't have any videos on it. By the way,
Speaker 1: people say, why didn't you reach out to God Logic.
Speaker 1: I mean, so we had several of our friends already
Speaker 1: friends with God Logic who've been trying to kind of
Speaker 1: sway him in the direction of Orthodoxy for a long time.
Speaker 1: And when I asked God Logic a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: if he wanted to do a debate, uh, he said no,
Speaker 1: he's not interested in that, which is fine. But it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: then why are you're sending people to synagogues. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense. So, Hank Williams sindar j What do
Speaker 1: you think about Americanism? They took over MAGA the Boomers.
Speaker 1: They believe in dispensationism. They have no idea what it
Speaker 1: is or I mean, you know what I think. Why
Speaker 1: do you think I've been I'm the godfather of boomer jokes.
Speaker 1: I was making boomer jokes in twenty eleven before anybody
Speaker 1: made boomer jokes. I wrote an essay that went viral.
Speaker 1: I am the father of boomer jokes. So that's how
Speaker 1: that's what I think, Coco bro fight dollars. Do you
Speaker 1: have any book recommendations for an orthodox type of mere
Speaker 1: Christianity like C. S. Lewis.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 1: In fact, although I love C. S. Lewis, this is
Speaker 1: unfortunately one of the terrible things that C. S. Lewis
Speaker 1: did was contributed to the idea of a lowest common
Speaker 1: denominator Christianity, which is the mindset of all these goofball
Speaker 1: so called apologists. They all have the mindset that there
Speaker 1: is there is no mere Christianity, there is no Oh,
Speaker 1: you just have these five things and that's the no
Speaker 1: that that's a Protestant idea. I'm trying to find a
Speaker 1: clean way to explain the totality to an agnostic cultural Hindu. No,
Speaker 1: you don't want to give them CS list. I mean
Speaker 1: for a Hindu. I mean it's something more like maybe
Speaker 1: something like Jason Lyles's book on tag I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the only thing I could even think of that might work.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like again, all of you people don't
Speaker 1: underst and like there is no Christianity that is churchless,
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. God Logic has already said he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to do a debate like. He said that personally
Speaker 1: to me, Will you make a debate course like your
Speaker 1: philosophy course. Probably not, because it's so forever to make
Speaker 1: that debate course. That's why it's expensive. Which, by the way,
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Speaker 1: orthobro Right there, Groovy says for twenty dollars, when I
Speaker 1: say baptism, I'm asking about patal baptism. What makes physical
Speaker 1: baptism special? Well, the creed says, there's only one baptism.
Speaker 1: What do you mean what makes it special? It's only one,
Speaker 1: one Lord, one faith. One baptism that's water baptism, and
Speaker 1: Titus three the washing of the labor, regeneration. That's what
Speaker 1: makes it special. This is hard for me to understand
Speaker 1: as a Baptist. What's hard for you to understand? There's
Speaker 1: not two baptisms. There's not a meaningless symbolic water one
Speaker 1: and then a super spiritual, gnostic personal one. That's they're
Speaker 1: the same. That's the easy answer. And by the way,
Speaker 1: the Church always baptized infants. So your whole sacked is
Speaker 1: created around a dumb rationalist George Fox, Roger Williams retard
Speaker 1: set who thought that you have to be an adult
Speaker 1: to be baptized. It was just dumb. The whole thing's dumb.
Speaker 1: And the reason it's all collapsing is because, well, guess what,
Speaker 1: we have this machine that puts all the world's information
Speaker 1: right at your fingertips, which didn't exist before. So all
Speaker 1: these dumb cults are falling away.
Speaker 6: The hymnals disappeared, not thrown away, just moved to storage.
Speaker 6: The projection screens were more flexible, pastors explained, easier to
Speaker 6: teach new songs, easier to change things up. Then came
Speaker 6: the crosses. Warren's training explicitly addressed this religious symbols could
Speaker 6: be barriers. One prominent church in Michigan removed a fifty
Speaker 6: year old stained glass window depicting Christ's crucifixion. The pastor
Speaker 6: said it was too graphic for visitors children. The language changed.
Speaker 6: Two sermons became messages or talks. The altar became the stage,
Speaker 6: the sanctuary became the auditorium.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Protestant world was already business church. Basically
Speaker 1: even before this, it just got worse.
Speaker 6: Stopped calling themselves pastors aunt they were led communicators or
Speaker 6: vision casters. Sunday School became life development classes. Prayer meetings
Speaker 6: became connection gatherings. Even communion got rebranded. One church in
Speaker 6: Texas started calling it the Jesus Meal. Warren had written
Speaker 6: in The Purpose Driven Church.
Speaker 1: Groovy says, Basically, you're saying that the physical act of
Speaker 1: baptism and spiritual baptism are the same. Yes, just like
Speaker 1: the incarnation is the Divinity with the humanity. There's a
Speaker 1: synergy there. The Holy Spirit is present at the waters,
Speaker 1: just like he's over the waters in Genesis One. Guess
Speaker 1: what in your new creation, the Holy spirits were really
Speaker 1: present over the waters and your baptism. You're saying that
Speaker 1: Baptists confuse and separate. That the confusion is baptisms baptists separating. Yes, correct.
Speaker 6: That Saddleback was unashamedly a market driven church. He used
Speaker 6: demographic studies. He surveyed the community. He discovered that unchurched
Speaker 6: people's number one complaint was organ music, so Saddleback didn't
Speaker 6: use organs. Churches following his model conducted their own surveys.
Speaker 6: They hired consultants. It's the worship leader now called the
Speaker 6: creative arts director, explained that him didn't fit their target demographic.
Speaker 6: But I'm not the target demographic. She realized after forty
Speaker 6: four years US America, the stories were eerily similar. A
Speaker 6: church would launch forty Days of Purpose. The pastor would
Speaker 6: attend the conference at Saddleback or Willow Creek. He'd return excited, energized,
Speaker 6: talking about vision and reaching the next level. Changes would
Speaker 6: accelerate traditional service at eight a m canceled due to
Speaker 6: low attendance. Wednesday Night Prayer meeting replaced with seeker focused
Speaker 6: small groups, annual hymn sing not strategic anymore. Those who
Speaker 6: questioned the changes were labeled resistant, divisive stuck in the
Speaker 6: past Pharisees. One pastor in Georgia sent a letter.
Speaker 1: To Longue all the same stuff that these Geobers say
Speaker 1: about the Orthoeros.
Speaker 6: Time members who had expressed concerns. He wrote, if you
Speaker 6: cannot support the vision God has given this church, it
Speaker 6: might be time to ask him where he wants you
Speaker 6: to worship. Translation.
Speaker 1: Leave.
Speaker 6: Warren had a term for this. He called it with
Speaker 6: blessed subtraction. The phrase appeared in purpose driven church materials.
Speaker 6: Warren taught that every church had people who resisted growth.
Speaker 6: They preferred the church stay small. They valued tradition over
Speaker 6: reaching the lost. When these people left, Warren explained it
Speaker 6: was actually a blessing the church could move forward one
Speaker 6: hindered hunt. One training video showed Warren explaining, well.
Speaker 1: All these DIDs are always chunky too. I think the
Speaker 1: new physiognomy criteria we should put that in place because
Speaker 1: they make a lot of this stuff easier. Ef you
Speaker 1: got double chins. If you're a chunkster, opinion immediately discarded.
Speaker 6: Get to a room full of pastors. You've got to
Speaker 6: be willing to let people leave, he said, even people
Speaker 6: who have been there forever, even big givers. The audience applauded,
Speaker 6: but on the ground, in actual churches, blessed subtraction looked different.
Speaker 6: In Illinois, a church of six hundred shrank to two
Speaker 6: hundred in eighteen months. The older members didn't leave because
Speaker 6: they were resistant. They left because they literally couldn't hear.
Speaker 6: The new sound system was designed for contemporary music and
Speaker 6: sermon volumes that appealed to younger ears left elderly members
Speaker 6: unable to follow along. In Florida, a couple who had
Speaker 6: donated the land for their church building their family farm,
Speaker 6: watched as the church board voted to sell the property
Speaker 6: and relocate to a strip mall, more visible, better parking,
Speaker 6: all closer to their striking demographic. The couple left, so
Speaker 6: did forty percent of the congregation. One woman in Arkansas wrote,
Speaker 6: I taught Sunday school for thirty one years. Then they
Speaker 6: told me my style wasn't aligned with their new strategy.
Speaker 6: They offered to retrain me using purpose driven materials. Like
Speaker 6: everything I'd learned, everything I'd done, was worthless. But defenders
Speaker 6: of the movement pointed to numbers. Some purpose driven churches
Speaker 6: were exploding with growth. The question was what kind of growth,
Speaker 6: and at what cost story one. Purpose driven churches were
Speaker 6: succeeding attendants, up, baptisms, up, small groups, multiplying. Saddleback itself
Speaker 6: had grown to twenty thousand weekly attendees by two thousand
Speaker 6: and five.
Speaker 1: Willo Creek was good grief, dude, twenty thousand and one
Speaker 1: giant megachurch. That's crazy.
Speaker 6: Members, multiple campuses. What they found challenged everything they'd been teaching.
Speaker 1: Multiple campuses they called their church campuses.
Speaker 6: The people who showed up for the contemporary services, the
Speaker 6: seekers they'd redesigned everything to reach. They weren't growing spiritually.
Speaker 6: They attended, they enjoyed the experience, but they weren't reading
Speaker 6: their Bibles. They weren't praying. They weren't becoming disciples. Worse,
Speaker 6: the most spiritually mature members, the ones who should have
Speaker 6: been thriving, were the least satisfied with the church built again.
Speaker 1: As we said earlier, here's my challenge to any of
Speaker 1: these people in the eepologetics sphere. Find show me one parachurch,
Speaker 1: church less apologist in the first thousand years. Show me
Speaker 1: one church father, saint apologist, theologian who argues that you
Speaker 1: can have apologetics without the church. Where's a churchless apologists
Speaker 1: just name one. By the way, there was a baptisty
Speaker 1: that was supposed to come to debate this and he
Speaker 1: didn't show up.
Speaker 6: Shocker Bibles. Willow Creek's founding pastor called it the wake
Speaker 6: up call of my adult life. He actually said this
Speaker 6: on stage, bought to thousands of pastors some of the
Speaker 6: stuff that we have put millions of dollars into, thinking
Speaker 6: it would really help our people grow and develop spiritually.
Speaker 6: When the data actually came back, it wasn't helping people
Speaker 6: that much. He went further, we made a mistake. The
Speaker 6: study called Reveal found that church activities, the programs, the events,
Speaker 6: the services designed to attract seekers had almost no correlation
Speaker 6: with spiritual growth. People might come for the show, but
Speaker 6: they weren't encountering God. Other research confirmed the pattern. A
Speaker 6: study by the Hartford Institute found that seeker sensitive churches
Speaker 6: had lower member retention rates than traditional liturgical churches. People
Speaker 6: would attend for six months, maybe a year, then drift away.
Speaker 6: The Southern Baptist Convention studied their purpose driven churches in
Speaker 6: two thousand and eight. They found that while attendance initially spiked,
Speaker 6: giving peer member dropped eighteen percent Follen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these megachurches, they found the style. Even in the
Speaker 1: two thousands, they have a huge turnover.
Speaker 6: Tiroism declined twenty three percent. Most telling, these churches were
Speaker 6: conducting fewer baptisms per one hundred attendees than traditional Southern
Speaker 6: Baptist congregations. One researcher called it spiritual consumerism. Churches had
Speaker 6: become so focused on removing barriers that they'd removed the
Speaker 6: very things that created commitment. No demands, no expectations, no cost,
Speaker 6: just come enjoy the show and leave when something better
Speaker 6: comes along. Even Warren's home state of California was seeing
Speaker 6: the cracks. By twenty ten, several prominent purpose driven churches
Speaker 6: had closed or merged due to financial problems.
Speaker 1: But nothing compared they're closing copared to what would happen
Speaker 1: at Settleback franchise.
Speaker 16: Franchaws were out of business.
Speaker 6: Itself for twenty years. Rick Warren taught pastors how to
Speaker 6: build churches weren't dependent on personality. Don't build around the preacher,
Speaker 6: he warned, build around the purpose. Then came twenty twenty two,
Speaker 6: Warren announced his retirement after forty three years leading Saddleback.
Speaker 6: He had handpicked his successor, a younger pastor named Andy
Speaker 6: Wood from Echo Church in San Jose. The transition was
Speaker 6: meticulously planned. Warren had been preparing for this moment for years.
Speaker 6: It should have been seamless. It wasn't. Within months, Saddleback
Speaker 6: was bleeding. Staff key leader who had served under Warren
Speaker 6: for decades, quietly resigned. Attendants, which had already struggled to
Speaker 6: recover from COVID, began dropping faster. Then came the earthquake
Speaker 6: nobody saw coming. The Southern Baptist Convention voted to remove
Speaker 6: Saddleback from fellowship. The issue Saddleback had ordained women as pastors,
Speaker 6: including Warren's own wife, ky It violated.
Speaker 1: Did they started ordaining as wyw I gush.
Speaker 6: The spc's doctrinal statement. Warren appealed, He flew to the convention.
Speaker 6: He gave an impassioned speech about the Great Commission being
Speaker 6: more important than gender debates.
Speaker 30: He lost.
Speaker 6: The church that had taught four hundred thousand pastors how
Speaker 6: to grow congregations was kicked out of America's largest Protestant denomination.
Speaker 1: But that was yeah, and they're all about to die. Uh,
Speaker 1: a slow death to the Orthodox Church.
Speaker 6: Just the public drama behind the scenes. The reports were worse.
Speaker 6: Staff members described a church in identity crisis without Warren's personality,
Speaker 6: his vision, his.
Speaker 1: Who are these e chicks that are in the stock
Speaker 1: footage here? Like this stock footage is cracking me out.
Speaker 1: Do you see that the uh Malaysian Asian girls earlier?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 16: What did that have to do?
Speaker 1: Think? The stock footage doesn't even match the AI.
Speaker 6: Voice connections his presence. Saddleback didn't know what it was anymore.
Speaker 6: The irony was brutal. Warren had spent decades warning against
Speaker 6: personality driven ministry.
Speaker 1: Uh, look at him at the Davos Dude, what a
Speaker 1: phony dude this is. This should have been an immediate disqualifier.
Speaker 1: The Council for Relations, fake ass pastor at Davos was brutal.
Speaker 6: Warren had spent decades what is this.
Speaker 1: Klaus Church, Saint Klaus Schwab. Sorry, Warren's a perfect minister
Speaker 1: of the Corsper.
Speaker 6: Of Davos against personality driven ministry. He'd written books about it,
Speaker 6: created systems to prevent it, trained to build churches that
Speaker 6: could outlast their founders. Yet Saddleback itself turned out to
Speaker 6: be the ultimate personality driven church. Remove Rick Warren and
Speaker 6: what remained a very expensive campus and a shrinking congregation
Speaker 6: trying to remember why they were different from the dozen
Speaker 6: other megachurches within driving distance. By twenty twenty four, reports
Speaker 6: suggested Saddleback's attendants had dropped by nearly thirty percent since
Speaker 6: danger Bleeding Warren's retirement. The church stopped publicly reporting numbers,
Speaker 6: something Warren had always advocated for transparency and accountability. One
Speaker 6: former staff member put it bluntly, we taught everyone else
Speaker 6: how to build purpose driven churches, but when our purpose
Speaker 6: walked out the door, we realized we'd been person driven
Speaker 6: all along. Critics who had warned about the purpose driven
Speaker 6: model for years felt no satisfaction. These weren't just numbers
Speaker 6: or theories anymore. These were real congregations, real people, real pain,
Speaker 6: which raised an uncomfortable question titit. This isn't a story
Speaker 6: about whether Rick Warren was sincere. By all accounts he was.
Speaker 6: When Purpose Driven Life became a best seller, Warren did
Speaker 6: something unprecedented. He paid back his church twenty five years
Speaker 6: of salary. He stopped taking any income from Saddleback. He
Speaker 6: reversed tithed living on ten percent, and gave having away
Speaker 6: ninety percent he and his wife Kay threw themselves into
Speaker 6: causes that mattered AIDS.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, right, who believes that? That's this old trick
Speaker 1: where the church owns everything and the pastor doesn't own it,
Speaker 1: but he's able to use and do whatever he wants. Right,
Speaker 1: So like in it isn't Kenneth Copeland's giant mansion owned
Speaker 1: by the church, right, This is a trick.
Speaker 6: In Africa orphan care mental health advocacy, especially after their
Speaker 6: son Matthew took his own life in the twenty thirteen.
Speaker 6: Warren could have built a religious empire. Instead, he gave
Speaker 6: away fortunes. This isn't about one man's motives. This is
Speaker 6: about what happens when churches adopt corporate methods. The purpose
Speaker 6: driven model treated church growth like market expansion. It segmented
Speaker 6: audiences like consumer demographics. Funny, It removed barriers to entry
Speaker 6: the way business is streamline purchasing. It measured success in attendance.
Speaker 1: It's titled growth without compromise, and he eventually didn't. He
Speaker 1: eventually capitulate to Skittle's marriage because Obama buddied up buddies
Speaker 1: with us, and then his wife becomes a pastors.
Speaker 6: In square footage the way corporations measure profit margins. But
Speaker 6: churches aren't corporations, their communities. The hymns weren't just old songs,
Speaker 6: they were the words mourners had sung it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's no telling what he made from
Speaker 1: that dumb book. So oh, he's not going to draw
Speaker 1: a salary from the church after his dumb book probably
Speaker 1: made him fifty million dollars.
Speaker 6: Save sides, the liturgy wasn't empty ritual. It was the
Speaker 6: rhythm that had carried believers through decades. The crosses weren't decorations,
Speaker 6: they were reminders of why people gathered in the first place.
Speaker 6: When you remove these things to appeal to seekers, you
Speaker 6: tell the sort that they don't matter anymore.
Speaker 1: What all right, that's enough of that. I can't take
Speaker 1: this AI video anymore. There's a couple more that we
Speaker 1: did get about the collapse of this. We'll get to
Speaker 1: that next time. Shadow Man. Could you say baptism is
Speaker 1: a manifestation of spiritual baptism. I don't know about manifestation.
Speaker 1: That's they're united in synergy. The water and the uncreated
Speaker 1: energies are what spiritually baptized you. It's in it's in
Speaker 1: the baptismal liturgy all right,