WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:07.839 Welcome to Moving Conversations, a podcast for movement professionals, by 2 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:11.240 movement professionals. If you coach, train, or teach movement, pilates 3 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:14.160 or fitness than this podcast is for you. With more 4 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:16.839 than sixty years of experience and fitness and pilates, your host, 5 00:00:16.879 --> 00:00:19.239 Brian Ritchie and North Saint John explored to science of 6 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:23.719 human movement, diving deep into the facts, myths, and common misconceptions, 7 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:26.600 hoping to spark thought and conversation about how we view 8 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:31.239 fitness and movement. Now let's jump into Moving Conversations and 9 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:33.520 welcome back to Moving Conversations. I'm Brian Ritchie, join me 10 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:35.520 as always the ner same John Morton, Nora. 11 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:38.719 How you doing very well? Brian? I understand you just 12 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:41.920 got back from China. Are you feeling okay? Getting over 13 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:43.759 jet lag and all? 14 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:47.039 Yeah, No, No, it's gonna take a little while. I 15 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:49.679 don't know. I don't know if it's the fact that 16 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:54.359 I'm getting older or what, but it seems to take 17 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:57.200 just a little longer each time, just a little bit. 18 00:00:57.479 --> 00:00:59.640 And yes, of course the longer you're gone, the longer 19 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:02.479 usually takes. But that whole you know, it takes a 20 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:06.519 day for every hour ten years ago. No, that that 21 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:08.879 didn't even dawn on me. It's like three or four days. 22 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:10.920 I'm twelve hour time difference, but it took three or 23 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:13.560 four days. I'm back now it's like, oh, I'm at 24 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:17.959 least a week, and it seems to be prolonging even further. 25 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:20.239 By the end of the day, I find myself as 26 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:21.879 though the plug has been pulled out of me. I'm 27 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:23.799 just sort of sitting there like, uh. 28 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:27.159 Oh, good, Alan, I want traveled so much for for 29 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.359 bounced body basically said, we don't have jel like, we 30 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:32.959 just have lag, Like we're just perpetually not at our 31 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:35.799 best from so much travel. At some point you just 32 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:38.159 stop recovering and in just as a nightmare. 33 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:42.159 Yeah. Yeah, I've asked a bunch of clients who travel. 34 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:44.079 I have a client that does four used to do 35 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:47.840 four to five hundred thousand miles a year. Yeah, basically 36 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:52.599 he travels all the time. Yeah, and he just he 37 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:55.319 just said, you just wherever you go, you don't even 38 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:57.319 think about it. You just you go to bed, you 39 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.159 wake up, you work, you go to bed, get on 40 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:01.719 a plane, you go to the next place, you go 41 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:07.200 to sleep. You just you eventually don't realize that you're 42 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:09.479 a six hour time difference or four hours. It's just 43 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:12.800 it's time to sleep, sleep exactly. It's almost militaristic. You 44 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.039 just time to sleep, time to wake up, it's time 45 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.639 to exercise. He said, that's how it has to be, 46 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:21.639 and I understand, and I'm sure if I did it 47 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:24.599 a lot more regularly, my body would get used to that. 48 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:26.919 But man, this jet lag stuff is no fun. 49 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:33.680 That's brutal. So with that in mind, I know we 50 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:37.560 did an episode right before you left where we were 51 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:42.800 talking about kind of complex cases and how you identify 52 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:44.680 skills and then work with them and be kind of 53 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:47.759 wanted you. Did you take that same idea of developing 54 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:52.240 effective programming for complicated situations and talk it through from 55 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:55.719 a case study perspective. I'll give you some practical examples 56 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:57.120 and that kind of thing. So I think that's kind 57 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:58.280 of where we were headed today. 58 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:01.919 Yeah, that episode really sort of struck home because you 59 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:05.639 and I both talked about this. It's it's easy to 60 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:08.280 get caught up in the day to day. I must 61 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:10.680 fix this person who's in front of me, because they're 62 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:12.599 you know, they come and broken, and you feel as 63 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:16.520 though it's our job to fix what's broken and get 64 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:19.439 them out of here. And honestly, you and I are 65 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:21.199 both good at what we do, and a lot of 66 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:23.319 times we can make them feel a lot better once 67 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:27.479 they leave leave us. But it's also our job to 68 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:29.319 progress them to the point where they don't need to 69 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:31.520 be broken every week when they're coming to see us, 70 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:34.960 when they should be getting better and making progress and 71 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.439 heading in the right direction so they get injured less 72 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:43.080 frequently and they're able to really excel at life and 73 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:46.719 not just you know, pick up the pieces every single week. 74 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:49.360 So I think that's an important thing that we need 75 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:53.360 to remind ourselves of as fitness professionals and movement professionals, 76 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:56.599 that it's still our job to get them moving better 77 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:00.240 throughout life and not just picking up the peace and 78 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:02.680 putting them back together again, you know, old humpty dumpty 79 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:05.639 sort of thing every week, right. 80 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:09.199 Not just managing the acute at the moment issue, but 81 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:13.199 by continuing to look ahead at where we're headed. And 82 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:16.120 it's really oftentimes I find that that's an important role 83 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:19.600 that we have, which is that outsider role. And I 84 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:21.519 use this analogy a lot instead of getting in the 85 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:24.560 boat with them and kind of managing whatever leaky hole 86 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:26.720 is in the boat that day. Like our job really 87 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:29.199 and I'm just again, is to stand on the dock, 88 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:31.920 or stand on the ocean, or stand on the sand 89 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:34.720 and hold onto the boat so that we really can 90 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:38.600 see where it can go, how we can progress them forward. Again, 91 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:41.160 just take that slight step back to see the longer 92 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:45.000 tradictory of things and also use that to prioritize where 93 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.879 we want to start, where you want to go, analyzing 94 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:50.120 what you've done, Is it really working all that? 95 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:53.639 Yep? I think also putting the responsibility in the client's 96 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:56.240 hands instead of taking on all the responsibility ourselves. 97 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:00.360 Absolutely, absolutely, because because we can't do so much in 98 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:02.720 an hour or two hours a week, like that's really 99 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:04.560 what not so effective? 100 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:06.720 I think? I told you I had a physical therapist 101 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:09.240 who told me that said, look, there's one hundred and 102 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:11.879 sixty eight hours a week you see them, how many 103 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.040 of those all the other hours they are not with you. 104 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.120 You cannot be responsible for every single thing that they 105 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:22.000 do and for all the pain that they're in. And 106 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:25.839 that struck home like nobody's business, because before that I 107 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:29.000 took responsibility for every little thing that happened in now 108 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.680 it's like, no, all right, if you're silly on your own, 109 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.439 that's your business, right exactly. It's like if I did 110 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:40.279 something silly, Okay, that's my mess up. I screwed that up. Okay, 111 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:42.839 I'll take I'll take ownership of it and move on. 112 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:45.480 It's the same thing. We need to make sure that 113 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.480 they take responsibility for what they do outside of us, 114 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:51.639 but also that they're taking what we teach them and 115 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:57.279 are able to do it outside them the homeworn Yeah. 116 00:05:57.480 --> 00:05:59.120 Yeah, and make it trying to make it a habit, 117 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:01.560 whatever the thing is you're trying to get them to do, 118 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:03.879 trying to help them make that a habit rather than 119 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:06.160 just an occasional thing they think about for the one 120 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:06.920 hour there with you. 121 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:11.800 Exactly. And let's face it, most of our clients, most 122 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:14.560 of my clients at least would pay me if I 123 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:19.040 could exercise for them, Let's face it, exactly. 124 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:21.480 You know, maybe and i'd work out instead and you 125 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:23.480 get the benefit all day long. 126 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.879 Yeah, I'd have the lines around the block and we 127 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:31.720 can promise that. Yeah, you still got to do the work, guys, 128 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:36.399 if you want. Everybody wants a certain body, Everyone wants 129 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:38.680 a certain image. They see something in their head that 130 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:40.920 they want, whether it's to be thinner, whether it's to 131 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:43.319 be more fit, whether it's be injury free, whatever it is, 132 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.240 they have an image in their head. It's whether or 133 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:50.399 not they're willing to do it. I forget who it was, 134 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:53.360 but in a class once said it was about nutrition, 135 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:56.959 and it said, all of your diet comes down to 136 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.079 seven words? How bad do you want it? 137 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:00.160 Is? 138 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:03.040 That seven words? Close enough? But it was sort of 139 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:07.519 it hit me. I said, that's true, because if you 140 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:10.839 don't want it badly enough, then you're really not going 141 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:14.800 to make the changes you need to make to make 142 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:17.560 it happen. You're really going to just sit on the 143 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:19.759 and I hope that it happens. And that's what a 144 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:23.240 lot of our clients do, let's face it, yep. 145 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:27.839 And even in that case, our job is still if 146 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:30.839 our clients keep coming to us and keep paying us, 147 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:36.279 and we I would say, whether it's for their satisfaction 148 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.240 or for our satisfaction, feel like I feel like I 149 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:42.680 need to be making progress somewhere. Just you know again, 150 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:45.000 I mean, you and I both know that's that's what 151 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:47.639 gives us satisfaction, That's what makes us feel like we're 152 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:50.639 useful and valuable. That's our self worth in a lot 153 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:53.160 of ways, is we you know, we made something happen. 154 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:56.759 So some of the two is understanding. Like like sometimes 155 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:58.600 I've I listened to a client. I haven't said this. 156 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:00.920 I listened to them, and I hear what they're saying 157 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:04.399 and blah blah blah, and then I'm like, I'm I'm 158 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.040 I'm also then looking at them and observing what's happening 159 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.519 and assessing how they're moving or not moving, and then 160 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:13.040 I'm making my plan and then I'm just executing my plan. Yeah, 161 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.480 and sometimes I have full buying from the client and 162 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:17.439 they want to know and we've got a really good 163 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:20.160 communication going. Sometimes I'm just going to make them do 164 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:23.800 the work. Yeah, you know, it's just okay, we're gonna 165 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:25.079 go over here, we're gonna do this. We're gonna go 166 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:28.240 over here, we're gonna do this. And they mean again, 167 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:30.759 if they're not as involved, we know this from lots 168 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:35.320 of studies. If they're not as involved mentally conceptually, it's 169 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:37.480 not going to be as effective, but it will make 170 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:40.759 change anyway, right, even so they can still make change 171 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:43.919 anyway even if they're not fully involved. But yeah, getting 172 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:44.759 that idea. 173 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:48.360 Through and they've got it. They've got to execute. Yes, 174 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:51.879 they've got to execute the plan. Yeah, we can have 175 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:55.200 the greatest plan in the world, greatest quarterback in the 176 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:58.000 world can call the most awesome play. If the players 177 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:02.120 aren't going to play it's been asked of them, you're 178 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:04.799 never going to score. And it's the same thing here. 179 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.679 If your client is not prepared and willing to buy 180 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:12.639 in and willing to do what's necessary and to focus 181 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:16.639 and to do it properly, then it doesn't matter. So 182 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:19.440 you need buy in from the client as well. Fortunately, 183 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:22.200 I think that sometimes can be the easiest job that 184 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.679 we have because we can get them to think of 185 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:27.399 the big picture and have them focus back on their 186 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:30.279 goals and say, here, what do you want to accomplish? 187 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:34.360 What are your goals? You said you wanted this, so 188 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.759 guess what. If you want this, then you need to 189 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:37.279 do that. 190 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:43.399 Right, I think really tying in the goal to our 191 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:45.279 goals to their goals if you will less time. I 192 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:47.039 know we talked a bit about you know, what are 193 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:50.440 my goals? And my goals are often increase their posture 194 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:53.320 or improve the flexibility of a handstringer, whatever more specific 195 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:55.960 movement based things and their goals are I want to 196 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:57.399 play golf more, or I want to be able to 197 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:59.159 walk more comfortably, or my back hurts when I wake 198 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:02.240 up the morning, whatever it is. And really tying those together, 199 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:05.879 creating that motivation is a key part of it. And 200 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:08.840 again sometimes that will motivate clients. Sometimes they're still going 201 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:12.480 to want to not do the job. But over time, 202 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:16.799 even with my most recalcitrant triumph clients, if that's my 203 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:20.080 turn there, over time, I still find that I can 204 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.720 make a difference. Even if they're not as bought in 205 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:24.519 as I would like them too and not really doing 206 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:26.720 the homework that i'd like them to be doing, I 207 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:28.840 still can get some progress, just a whole lot slower 208 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:29.879 and a whole lot less effective. 209 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.879 You are the first person to bring this concept up 210 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:35.960 with me, and I think when it comes to goals, 211 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.159 this is something that I was thinking about after we 212 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:43.159 talked last. Was the whole global to local viewpoint. You 213 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.679 look globally, then you look locally. I find that their 214 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:50.360 goals are the global goals and they're more generalized. It's 215 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:52.120 sort of like you said, I want to play golf, 216 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:53.919 I want to get up off the floor, I want 217 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:55.639 to be able to get down and play with my grandkids. 218 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:57.559 I want to be able to get up out of 219 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.000 bed without Oh, sounded like an eighty year old man 220 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:00.639 every time. 221 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:01.480 Right. 222 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:04.559 And our goals are the local ones, because we see 223 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:06.919 those big pictures and we say, Okay, in order to 224 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:11.279 accomplish that, we need to focus on meat, strength, you know, 225 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:14.799 thorastic extension and rotation. We can break things down into 226 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:17.720 that sense, but we break it down seeing, Okay, you 227 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:20.720 want this, here's what it's going to take. And we 228 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:24.039 have our sort of checklist that make that happen. What's 229 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.519 also on that checklist though, or what we're seeing because 230 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:28.960 sometimes even to get to there, it's like we need 231 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:31.159 to build a big foundation before we even try and 232 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:31.799 do any of that. 233 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:35.919 Right exactly, So, so I'm thinking about that we start 234 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:38.559 with that assessment of what are their goals or are 235 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:40.639 their global goals? I like that you broke that down 236 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:42.559 that way, and then we look kind of locally. Is 237 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:45.279 it a posture issue, is it a strength issue, is 238 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:49.120 it a mobility issue? Is it a coordination issue? Like 239 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:51.120 what's the what are the issues that we're seeing? Is 240 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.879 it a gate problem? Like what are we seeing? And 241 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:58.639 then you know, our clinical reasoning says, how do I 242 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:03.799 address that peece? And one example, and I'm just trying 243 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:05.559 to think of there's one example that I had for 244 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:10.440 a client who had low back problems, low back issues, 245 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:13.000 lebec pain, particularly kind of as securarly a joint area, 246 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.480 so more like in that area. And she also had 247 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:19.759 a seriatic arthritis, which is a you know, kind of 248 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:23.440 an autoimmune condition. You know, you think of psirisis as 249 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:25.159 being a patch on the skin. Well, this also is 250 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:28.000 also can have an internal component kind of like rheumatoid arthritis, 251 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:32.360 but just a little different aspect. And so her she 252 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:36.120 was she was naturally somewhat inflamed or inflamable. 253 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:36.600 In her joints. 254 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:39.360 Yeah, and it seemed to have kind of settled in 255 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.440 this low back area. And with her it was it 256 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:44.840 was this is this is This is a simple version, guys, 257 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:47.679 in terms of a case study. So I was watching 258 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:52.039 her posture and she was very posterely tilted, very slung back, 259 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.399 kind of a little bit of a knee hyper extension 260 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.519 and really tucked under her back when she stood was 261 00:12:57.559 --> 00:12:59.480 really flat, and she just kind of hung out on 262 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:03.879 the ligaments there. And one of the things I always 263 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:05.639 look at when I'm thinking about the low back is 264 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:08.159 where is the force coming in, and how is the 265 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:11.799 force coming in? And if I can change that, sometimes 266 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:15.559 I can decrease pain just by changing how the structures 267 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:20.399 are getting force put through them. In her case, say yeah, 268 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.399 I mean you know, just that those joints are a 269 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:24.279 little funny anyway, and the spine too, And if I 270 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:26.519 just change where the force is, it might just take 271 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:28.480 the pressure off the ears that are sore because they're 272 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.320 getting too much pressure, right, just just bearing that, and 273 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:32.919 so on her case, I said, okay, so what I 274 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:35.360 want you to think about is I want you to 275 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:37.480 just stick your butt out. Basically, I want you to 276 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:39.919 be a little bit more extended in your lumbar spine. 277 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:42.519 I want you to think about Angela tilty. The pelvis 278 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:45.759 are kind of simple because as soon as she did that, 279 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:47.720 even when we were standing, because if she stood for 280 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:50.720 more than about five minutes, she really could feel the discomfort. 281 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:54.120 I said, okay, well, let's have you stand in a 282 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:58.000 different posture. And she's like, oh, that doesn't hurt. And 283 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:02.200 that was one of those really no, a B this hurts. 284 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:05.240 This doesn't if I just stand differently. And you know, 285 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:07.399 she used to be able to tolerate standing for like literally 286 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:09.360 five to ten minutes. Then she'd really been in pain 287 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:11.720 and that would go up. And then so she came 288 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:12.919 in two days later and said, oh, you know, I 289 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:14.519 had a party last night. I had to stand for 290 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:16.919 like forty five minutes, and I was actually pretty good. 291 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:19.600 So it's a little bit sore by the end. So 292 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:23.559 that was again, that's a simple version. Okay, it's not 293 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.559 always that. We're not always that lucky, but that was 294 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:29.799 one of those ones where this posture is not serving you. 295 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:32.399 Let's try this one. This one seems to be less painful. 296 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:34.080 Let's work on that. And then she applied. 297 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:39.200 Yeah. But I gotta say oftentimes, though, when it comes 298 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:44.039 to a lot of our clients, sometimes finding that is 299 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.840 the key to unlocking a lot of other things. Because 300 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.679 I have a client that was very similar. He had 301 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.120 he has the noosis in his low back, he has 302 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:56.000 you know, had si joint problems, YadA yah, and he 303 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.080 didn't want to work hard. So his pt was like, 304 00:14:58.080 --> 00:14:59.480 you gotta kick his butt, you got to work him 305 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:00.879 super hard, you got to do this, you got to 306 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:02.639 do that. So he fought me a lot at the beginning, 307 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:05.159 and once I went over his trust, it took a 308 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.080 little bit of time. What I noticed was every time 309 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:11.919 something bothered him, it was because his feet were too 310 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:14.600 close together and he was arching his back. He'd stand up, 311 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:16.559 he'd put his hands behind his back, and he'd arch 312 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:19.960 his back. And I watched him do that like three times. 313 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:22.159 If someone does it once, okay, they're just trying to 314 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:24.879 stand up, fine. But I watched him do it, and 315 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:27.240 I told him, I said, we've just been working the 316 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:30.519 last hour on getting you a little bit more posterity 317 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:33.440 tilted to open up those facet joints, get a little 318 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:36.799 bit of less compression on the nerves. And every time 319 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:39.600 you arch your back like that, guess what happens. You're 320 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:44.159 undoing everything that we just did. And it struck me. 321 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:46.639 He said, Oh, said, so that's your homework this week. 322 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:48.720 I said, everything else is what we've done that I 323 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:51.639 told you for homework. Forget it. Just every time you 324 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:55.440 stand up, don't do that. I mean, I got in 325 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:57.440 his face a little bit about it, because yeah, he 326 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:01.279 did in front of me. And I have these very 327 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:03.919 very soft foam balls, and there are times when I 328 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:05.679 catch a client doing something I'll like toss it at 329 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.440 their feet or something, or at their knees, just weigh, 330 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:12.399 just a reminder, and they'll go sorry. You know, negative 331 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:14.320 reinforcement does work. And I'm not going to do the 332 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:16.960 whole you know, squirting water in their face like a dog. No, 333 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.919 I'm not going that route. But you know, just something 334 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:24.440 that's that's a physical reminder, and it does sometimes work. 335 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:27.720 Because the next time he came in, he said, it's 336 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:29.759 been a lot better this week. I said, you stopped 337 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:33.159 doing I caught myself a few times I said good. 338 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.080 And each time he says he's doing it less, he's 339 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:41.879 doing it less. Those habits, those perpetual habits, can be 340 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:44.840 so challenging to break on some people, but they can 341 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:47.759 be undermining and erasing all the good, hard work that 342 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:51.799 we're doing. So your client standing there, you know, with 343 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:54.240 their back in the wrong position for such a long 344 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:58.639 period of time, was obviously causing her issues. Same with 345 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:02.840 my guy, And so times, those simple things make a 346 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:03.840 huge world of difference. 347 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:08.480 And honestly, like I wanted to start simple because sometimes 348 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:10.960 if you can identify it and if they can make 349 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:14.440 the changes, sometimes it is that simple. And I think 350 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:18.240 of a couple of other clients where it wasn't posture related, 351 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:22.079 it was ergonomic related. Right. I've got clients who sit 352 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:25.119 a lot, and one of them was like, your client 353 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:29.640 was very very stanotic, right, And and they, for some reason, 354 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:32.279 which is unusual, kind of like to sit on a 355 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:36.839 hard chair at the front corner, which is weird, right, 356 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:39.000 and kind of like I think I think they'd been 357 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:41.160 taught to sit that way as a child, so they 358 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:45.359 would actually kind of, yeah, they're almost sitting in extension, yep, 359 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:48.640 which is weird. Most people sit inflection, right, that's kind 360 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:50.519 of more normal. But this guy was just odd because 361 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:52.039 I would see him sit, and he would sit and 362 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:54.920 he would just always be very upright, and I could 363 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:57.200 see his pelpos was even a little and tearly tilted, 364 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:00.039 and that's where he would kind of live. And I 365 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:01.920 the same discussion, I said, you know, you might want 366 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:05.480 to think about finding a chair that is a little 367 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.640 more like a little lower in the front or lower 368 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:10.519 in the back, right, could you can off an adjust 369 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:13.039 your seat that way and actually sit back a bit? 370 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:16.079 And in his case, which is totally not the advice 371 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:18.359 I give to most people, but in his case, he 372 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:20.960 needed to flex just a little more in his because 373 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:23.880 he was a slouch lawyer. He needed to slouch, which 374 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:25.799 is weird, but because he was a lawyer and he 375 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:27.680 spent a whole lot of time at his desk, and 376 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:29.519 he'd been taught for years to sit up like that. 377 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:32.640 But that was in his case causing some compression there. 378 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:35.200 So it's the same idea, but it was just changing 379 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:36.839 the ergonomics instead of the posture. 380 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:41.519 Absolutely. I was literally just in China. I was teaching 381 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:46.559 my two day low back course and one of the 382 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:52.279 first slides I show is posture in a seated position. Say, look, 383 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:55.720 if you're sitting, if you're standing, and let's call that 384 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:58.079 one hundred percent load on your spine. As soon as 385 00:18:58.079 --> 00:18:59.880 you sit, if you're sitting at ninety degrees, it's a 386 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:02.839 hundred and forty percent. You lean forward a little bit, 387 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:04.920 it goes up to one hundred and ninety percent. But 388 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:09.400 guess what if you lean back five degrees just or 389 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:12.759 five to ten degrees, not much, it reduces it to 390 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.440 like one hundred and ten percent. If you go back 391 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:19.920 fifteen degrees, it's one hundred and five percent. So I said, 392 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:25.119 so those clients who have those issues that are really 393 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:29.680 compressing too much on their spine. Guess what, Having them recline, 394 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:32.480 even just a little bit can sometimes take the pressure off. 395 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:34.720 And you and I both know what do they do 396 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:38.680 In China they have these ramrod straight chairs. Everybody sits 397 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:40.920 on the front edge of the chair and sits up 398 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:43.519 perfectly straight, which I admire. 399 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:47.759 It generally is a good idea, like really, that's sly 400 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:48.079 a good. 401 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.279