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Speaker 5: The technocracy into being. So they're not gonna send the

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Homeland security troops to round you up and put you

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Speaker 1: They'd much rather promote everybody being in national video games,

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Speaker 5: Gulag, the virtual reality gulag. All this kind of stuff

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is in much better FEMA camp in your home.

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They don't need to the shadow of the global government

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Speaker 1: We're not live yet. Do you hear me? I can

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hear you, Bob Sweet, there's not really any foundation anything

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can come and go. What's up? What's up? How you doing?

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Speaker 1: We're about to hit it. It's it's live now, hot mic,

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it's my hair beautiful as always.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I know you don't have to tell me.

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with Now there's two separate live streams running, so there's

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why there's two of the same stream running at once.

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last couple of days, and I think it has to

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do with YouTube updating this how you schedule a new stream,

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it's all. It's all new so, or it could be

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something with stream labs, because stream labs is kind of

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doing its own thing too. So if anybody knows how

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to fix that, please let me know, because it's really

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annoying to have two of the same stream going at once,

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Speaker 3: Go on the go on the back end of one

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of the streams and change it to private.

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Speaker 1: I know you can do that, but I'm afraid it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's doing it right now.

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the only person that's had this problem. Other people have

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this problem. All right, let me try putting it to.

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to private too. I guess then we'll know if I

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do that. But let me try making one of those private.

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Speaker 3: YouTube is goslighting this lightness? You're being slighted, Jay Doyer.

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middle of the stream. No, let's see what it does.

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I will find out here, all right. Let's oh, we

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already got some of them one dollar bills rolling in,

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all right, it says that stream is private and this

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one is public. Let's try it out like that. Anybody

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the stream still going? I guess that way we can

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Speaker 1: Let's make sure, can you guys?

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output device. There should there shouldn't be any echoing. Okay, good,

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it and then until YouTube fixes that, we'll just do

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it this way. Cool beans. What's up, dude?

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Speaker 3: Welcome back's u bro? Nice to see you, my friend?

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Speaker 1: What I noticed? Where is my Tristan content? Where's it at? Dude?

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Speaker 3: I've had like three weeks. I've taken a three week

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YouTube hiatus.

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Speaker 1: I can't do that. You can't do that.

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Speaker 3: You can't.

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Speaker 1: Miss me, dude. You can't live the YouTube creator lifestyle

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and take a three week break. I know, right.

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Speaker 3: You gotta be you gotta be constantly constantly grinding.

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Speaker 1: There's going on, there's there are people gaining subscribers as

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you run off playing in the woods, people are gaining

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I'm starting to think Frank Traffano is legit, and maybe

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kind of Tristan's not legit. No, that's kind of where

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's everybody knows.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 3: Well, the problem there's a lot of problems with YouTube.

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One of the problems with my YouTube channel is no

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matter what it's like, it's actually not a This is

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not just an excuse for my YouTube channel sucking. By

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the way, for those of you listening, watching right now

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who think my YouTube channel sucks, that may be true,

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but YouTube basically cut me at one hundred and thirty

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thousand subs and the channel is not allowed to grow

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beyond that. Like, I get messages regularly from friends of

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mine and people who've watched my channel very very consistently

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over the years saying that they are automatically unsubbed multiple

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times by YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's your narrative, but I mean other

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people like Frank Trafano and some of the vegans might

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have a different narrative. Trust in that perhaps you have

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been owned.

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Speaker 3: Jayder, I think you have you don't really understand it.

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All those people, all these people that may be saying

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things that you know, contradict things that I say, people

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that don't like me, they're all just gaslighting.

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we're here to investigate today.

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Speaker 3: Is Georgian exactly guslight. But it's funny. You know the

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social media companies and mass media in general, is they

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provide endless examples of actual gaslighting. Yes, good constant examples, right,

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and saying you when you look at the feedback mechanisms

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in apps like YouTube, you actually do have some some

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real prime examples of gaslighting. For instance, I mentioned people

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being like auto unsubbed from my channel. I got a

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WhatsApp message today from somebody else's got a YouTube channel

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and he enjoys my content. He's somebody who sent me

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like big fat one hundred dollars suit for chats in

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the past. And this person was unsubscribed automatically by YouTube.

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you do a little chat with YouTube's, they tell you

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that they're actually real people, but you know you're talking

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to bots because It's always the same conversation you have

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with YouTube support. They always say, give me five minutes.

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Speaker 3: Why is there always five minutes? Anyway, YouTube support, you're

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why is this problem happening on the back end of

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my channel? What's going on here? And when I'm asking

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them these questions. The last time I spoke with them

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in the little chat box, I said something about people

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being unsubscribed for my channel, and YouTube assured me that

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they'd never unsubscribed people from their channels. They don't do

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anything like that. They would never do something like that.

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I was unsubbed from your channel for the second, third,

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fourth time. But when you ask YouTube, they'll say, no,

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we don't do that. That's absolutely ridiculous, right, you must

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be crazy. So yeah, just an example of the constant

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goss luton that we get from from social media companies

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in mainstream media. But a lot of people have been

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using these terms lately, like a couple of years ago,

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and Jay and I have talked about this a few times.

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It used to be sociopaths then it was psychopaths, right,

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and then it was narcissists. And now the new buzzword

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that the normies have figured out is gaslight, which gaslight

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Speaker 1: Two or three years to catch on to stuff that,

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you know, I did a whole presentation five years ago,

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my occult Hollywood analysis of Gaslight that was one of

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the first films I opened the whole presentation with five

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years ago, and I went into the psychological warfare technique

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of gaslighting. And just like Tristan said, now it's oh,

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now people are using this term, but they're not using

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it even in the right way. It does not mean

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someone who disagrees with you or argues with you. That's

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how most of these idiot vis and people are.

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Speaker 6: Like anytime you come on and you're store poken about

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oh eat anonymous, is nothing.

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Speaker 1: Wrong with it, You're just.

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Speaker 3: Exactly the exactly is when you see a lot of this,

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that you see these these terms. They get used in

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pop culture to stigmatize and you know, kind of label

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people who don't go along with certain narratives, right, And

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what you see right now is there's a lot of

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and I should have pulled up some examples if I

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was prepared how to have pulled up some examples. But

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you see stuff like mainstream media articles saying that if

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you refuse to wear a mask, you're probably a psychopath, right,

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You're probably a toxic masculinity exuding psychopath who just you know,

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wants to microaggress and uh and and put your gender

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fluids all up on every woman that you see without

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her consent. So I mean, it's it's like, this is

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Speaker 1: Is do you have you heard Thomas Sheridan.

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Speaker 3: I've heard the name.

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socio psychopath stuff, Like he was doing this podcasts after

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podcasts after podcasts.

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Speaker 6: About the psycho pot and you were going for the

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wrong times talking about the psycho you know, the psycho

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put They are the people that they don't they don't

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got no feeding, they don't got nothing going on in

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terms of their heart. They got to a load of brains.

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they're ready to just just stop you in the back there.

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They're ready to just stop you in the back dark.

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That's exactly Thomas Sheridan. And I've met the guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm not being mean. He's he's a he's a nice guy.

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I don't share his esoteric worldview, but we did have

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on YouTube, and like you said, then I don't know

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how or a where it just switched over into psychopath

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flooding everywhere about in the narcissist and yes, uh And

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of serial killers in the last two or three years

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are so hot and oh my gosh, have you seen

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the Jeoffrey Dahmer video. Jeoffrey Dahmer is freaking hot.

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mean people the bad people. They're all psychopaths. They're all sociopaths.

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isn't psychopathy a good thing? I mean, in Darwinism, why

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should you feel an emotional attachment to anybody? We should

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just feel we should be we should be dominating and

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depopulating in order to spread our seed. So I don't

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it's kind of a double minded thing that happens there.

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supposed to only be concerned with this the individual and

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his own hedonism and this kind of stuff, and then

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at the same time we're supposed to, uh, you know,

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have this collectivist obligation to duties to the entire global

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village or whatever. It's just constant, constant gloss. It's constant

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double think and double mindedness. And uh, I did do

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a good interview with Nina. You can if you can

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narcissists because she had done a whole she'd read a

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whole bunch of books from FBI people and uh, you know,

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intelligence type analysis that looked at the traits of of

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of narcissists. So why don't Tristan if you would from

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your advantage point, let's why don't you define like the

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proper usage of these turns. So let's start with like,

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you know, a narcissist and a psycho.

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into the social sciences, you realize that they're completely unscientific, right.

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moral relativism and subjectivity, and it really is kind of

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subjective a lot of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: But what it has to do with is.

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Speaker 3: Unempathetic, inhumane personality traits. Right now, I don't have the

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hard definition of narcissism right now, but they're a slew.

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Speaker 1: Of I'm just I'm not trying to put you on

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the spot. I mean, neither of us has that quote

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clinical training, as if that really means anything. But yeah,

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just kind of like the basic ideas of what is

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the right the right terminology, I mean it does in

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a way I think correspond to theological ideas just kind

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of repackaged, you know, as psychobabble or whatever.

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we're really looking at here is ways of describing human behavior,

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ways of describing human traits and ultimately the human soul,

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but from like a secular materialist perspective, and this psychology

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in general as a field, where of course, obviously these terms,

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these categories are pointing towards real phenomena that people experience,

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real possibilities in the human psyche, human behavior. They really

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sometimes they very often get used incorrectly. Right, So you

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have this overarching group of personality traits that are associated

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with narcissism, and all of these personality traits are essentially

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evil traits, right, the traits of a wickedness, of manipulation,

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lack of true human empathy, lack of regard for other people, selfishness,

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complete being obsessed with your own image, vanity. Right, it's

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like narcissism when you look at it from my perspective,

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what we're really looking at here are social psychological terms

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for spiritual phenomenon. Right, It's not just a When you

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look at psychology as a field, it's very limiting and

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it's very limited to just looking at reactions to stimulus,

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and that's where you have the behaviorists come in and

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a lot of these so called social sciences that are

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very unscientific, right, So, gas lighting, narcissism, sociopathy, these are

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all terms for evil, right, and they're they're used. These

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are techniques that not even techniques, but when you look

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at something like gas lighting, it's it's psychological manipulation techniques.

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It's behaviorist manipulation techniques as well. How can you manipulate

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somebody's behavior through environmental stimulus, through the twilight language, through

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sprinkling their uh, their subconscious mind with you know, suggestions

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that they're going crazy or that they're that they're bad,

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or that their mean, and that they don't understand what's

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really going on, that they don't understand the truth. Bent

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up manipulative people?

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Speaker 1: Is you froze for around the last three sentences?

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Speaker 3: Okay, am I back? Cool? Cool? So anyways, gaslighting, narcissism, psychopathy,

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these are all overarching terms and categories that are very

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loosely defined in their fields. When you start looking at

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the literature, and basically you could start picking apart anybody

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in saying and making a case for them being a

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narcissist or a psychopath. Because we all have these tendencies.

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We all have tendencies to be vain, manipulative, vindictive, selfish,

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We can we all have we all have the ability

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to do this stuff right and and to the extent

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that it almost seems like there's this I mean, you've

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done a lot of good work talking about esoteric secret societies, esotericism,

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and we look at some of the esoteric orders that

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are really popular in the twentieth century. They're really about

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breaking down the psyche and bringing about psychopathy, bringing about

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the uber menh which is beyond good and evil, which

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is beyond emotion. And a lot of these people that

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are doing these when you look at things like ritual

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abuse and whatnot to open up the psyche to certain forces,

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you are looking at gateways to psychopathy.

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Speaker 1: Right. You see in the last few centuries the intentional

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promotion of any of the philosophies that cater to that mindset.

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literally it appeals to human pride and vanity, the idea

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that oh I really am the best, right, I'm above everyone,

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I will achieve the uber mention, I will achieve the

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superman status, so forth and so on, and it drives

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well with transhumanism. In fact, there's a lot of academics

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that do lectures even on the corresponds between the Nietzschean

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ideas and transhumanism. So you're totally right there, and at

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the same time, in the domain of what in a

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way you could argue kind of replaces philosophy in the

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last couple of centuries, philosophy kind of takes a background

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seat to these rising disciplines of sociology and psychology and

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those well, I mean, there's a lot of different currents

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that influence where these schools quote unquote come from. But

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in twentieth century America, the dominance of psychology and sociology

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is directly from the Rockefeller influence. The Rockefellers intentionally kind

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of wanted to promote these entities. They kind of bought

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them off and run them, just like they run the

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American Medical Association, these kinds of things. It's pretty easy

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to document that. And you know, a lot of philosophers

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have pointed out that the three fathers of modernity, or Darwin, Marx,

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and Freud, and so each of those guys kind of

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replaced in different areas of life, the new humanist mythos

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with the older religious ideology.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So what Marx is doing for economics and social order, right,

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he's replacing the older Christian ideas with his new narrative.

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Darwin is doing this in terms of creation and the sciences,

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and then in terms of the human personal relations. It's

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no longer about as you said, Sin, it's now replacing

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it with the biological chemical ideas. Right, manage this sort

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of chemical creation. So therefore we can treat it with psychoanalysis.

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with external stimuli. We can treat him with drugs, big pharma.

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These are the new replacement things. And so what is

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psychiatry and going to a psychiatrist or shrink, that's your

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replacement confession, right, Yeah. For centuries and centuries, Christianity had

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the therapeutic process of the healing of the inner man

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through the sacrament of confession. In fact, one of the

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greatest Orthodox the elogians of the twentieth century still alive

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is Jean Claude L'Arche, very famous French theologian. Orthodox the Elogian.

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He has this really great I haven't even I've only

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read a few chapters of this, but this three volume

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set is the orthodox psycho therapeutic approach to healing our

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problems only through Christ, only through the logos. You can't

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achieve the noetic healing that we all require through psychoanalysis,

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freud or whatever the latest thing is, right, I mean

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Freudianism and the Carl Jungian stuff that will influence Marnie.

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That's not popular anymore, that's not in vogue. It eventually

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just caves into pure on behaviorism, Skinnerism, Pavlov, Abraham Maslow,

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all those characters come to dominate and just turn it

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into this purely physicalist enterprise of just treating chemical imbalances

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with more chemicals, just throw chemicals at it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the reductionist attitude towards everything right, And you see

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this in medicine. You see this in I talk.

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Speaker 1: About that biological the biochemical view. What's it called that book?

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The book?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was about to bring up exactly Lily E.

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Kay's book The Rockefeller Foundation, The Molecular Vision of Life, Caltech,

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The Rockefeller Foundation and the Rise of the New Biology

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by Lily E. K. That's a very good book. You

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can find a PDF of it online. The actual print

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book is ridiculously expensive. Now it's sold out. It's one

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of those things like someone mentions is it, mentions it

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on the internet, and then suddenly you can't find it anymore,

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and it happens all the time, but you can find

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a PDF of it. So Lily E. K. In this

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book she talks about Jay mentioned the Rockefeller Foundation, these

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big foundations, the big money foundations that funded modern psychiatry,

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psychology that essentially bankrolled the entire modern medical establishment, which

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is based on reductionism, which is based on allopathic medicine,

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is prescribing drugs right. So Lily E. K in this

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book talks about the overarching worldview that led to the

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formation of the new biological sciences that we see now.

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These deterministic biological sciences, molecular biology, all have their roots

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in reductionism and eugenics, Darwinism, and the big money foundations

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for like the Rockefeller Foundation, invested in this not because

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they're these great philanthropists who want to save the world

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and protect everybody from the mean, nasty goslight and psychopaths,

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but because they wanted to use this as social control mechanism. Right.

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So they see the Rockefeller Foundation and the kind of

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the school of thinking coming out of the eugenics movement,

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the social Darwinists associated with the Royal Society, the hux Lees,

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and going back to HG. Wells and long before this.

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What you have is a kind of a cultural zeitgeist

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and a overt philosophy of looking at all the social

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problems in the world as stemming from lack of social

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control over the organism of man. Right, So, social sociology,

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social sciences, the Rockefeller Foundation. Lily E. K breaks this

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down in her book Really well, they were intent on

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not they were intent on using these as a means

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to stop all the problems in the world, which of

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course they see as overpopulation and lack of human lack

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of control over the human organism, lack of control of

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the movement of humans, the breeding of humans. This is

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the problem of the world and they believe that they

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can all be solved through intervention at the social level

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by governments, NGOs and through behaviorism. So that's what we

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kind of see now going on in the world. You

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see mass behaviorists, social manipulation, psychological manipulation, psychological warfare happening

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through social media, through mass media, and through these devices

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to create essentially a hive mind of people that will

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respond to stimulus in a predictable and programmable manner. And yeah,

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what we see is the pathology. Anybody who starts to

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push against this, anybody who starts to say, wait a minute,

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maybe you know, wearing these masks that are depriving us

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of oxygen all day, wearing a frickin nappy on your

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face all day, wearing a diaper on your face, and

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depriving yourself with the ability to breathe all day. Maybe

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this isn't something that's gonna save us. Maybe this is

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going to be detrimental to our health. No, no, no, no, no,

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you are just a psychopath who doesn't care about all

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the poor people who are dying, and grandma and grandpa

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and all the poor children who are going to die

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from this terrible thing if you don't wear your face nappy,

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your face diapers. So it's these these terms do get

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weaponized that use in to a great extent to just

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psychologically manipulate the masses. Whereas there are psychopathic traits, there

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are you know, psychopathy sociopathy, gaslighting. These are pointing towards

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real phenomenon, but of course in the in the bigger

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cultural sphere, they do get they can manipulated and use

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think my second book, there's a chapter

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where I talk about the fragmenting of the news the

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excuse me, the fragmenting of the psyche that happens in

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the case of some of the characters in certain movies,

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which we'll see this here in a little bit with

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the character of Marnie. But I did a whole chapter

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just on how this related to the mkulture research and

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how they were studying, you know, fragmenting of the mind.

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modern writers, one of the great books on this is

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Metropolitan Herotheos's book Orthodox Psychotherapy. It's a really good book.

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It's kind of a if you want to a summarized

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version of this three three volume thing, you could read

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and he talked about how there's a fragmentation. I may

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have been citing a student of his. There's a Greek

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guy I cited in the book. I forget his name,

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this fragmentation that can occur in the individual which needs

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to be reintegrated in terms of the healing process that occurs.

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Sometimes it's so radical that we can even see what

471
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,960
appears to be alternate personalities mpdd id So, even though

472
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,240
he's not necessarily directly talking about that, the radical versions

473
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,839
and extreme cases leads to that. But in a way,

474
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,839
we're all kind of double minded and divided in this way.

475
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,839
This is what the Fall has done our own sins

476
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,440
due to every one of us, is that we kind

477
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,920
of have this internal battle going on that we always

478
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:59,200
need to be purified from and healed from. And I

479
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:04,000
wanted to just read a brief quote here from It's

480
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,000
an interesting idea that I'd read this. This is Losky's

481
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:10,480
classic book, Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church, is probably

482
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:17,079
the best introduction to Orthodox theology that's out there. And

483
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:21,719
he had a little section on how the on the news,

484
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,199
which is the faculty that is given to us to

485
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,639
know God directly. He says that when we don't feed

486
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,719
on divine things and the spirit of God and so forth,

487
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,199
the news will the inner man will seek to feed

488
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,559
on itself, because it doesn't. It no longer acknowledges a

489
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,599
higher power, that connection that God has cut off. So

490
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,760
the inner man, the spirit of man, then starts to

491
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:52,960
feed on man. And he says Saint Tikon of Zadonsk

492
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:55,320
in the eighteenth century Row, the human soul is a

493
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,039
spirit created by God, and only in God, who has

494
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,280
created it in his own image and likeness, can it

495
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,639
find contentment and rest, peace, consolation, and joy. Once it

496
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,400
is separated from God, it seeks satisfaction amongst creative things,

497
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,719
and it begins to feed on its own passions, just

498
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:17,519
like husks fed to pigs, but finding no finding not

499
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:20,920
its true repose or purpose there or its true satisfaction,

500
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it dies at length of hunger. For spiritual food is

501
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:27,400
a necessity to the soul. The spirit must find its

502
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,480
sustenance in God. It must live from God. The soul

503
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:33,719
must feed on the spirit. The body must live on

504
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,679
the soul. Such was the original ordering of our nature.

505
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,639
But turning our back from God, the spirit, instead of

506
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:42,360
providing food for the soul, begins to live the spirit

507
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,320
of man. He's saying, begins to live at the expense

508
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,760
of the soul feeding itself on its own substance, what

509
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,360
we might call usually speaking, spiritual values. But the soul

510
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,119
in turn begins to live thus within the life of

511
00:35:57,199 --> 00:36:00,480
the body strictly, and this is the order of the

512
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:03,679
passions in the In the final analysis, the body is

513
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,039
then forced to seek nourishment outside of itself, in inanimate matter,

514
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,239
and in the end it comes to death. The human

515
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,199
complex finally then disintegrates into death. So disintegration is a

516
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:18,800
characteristic or feature, not just a bodily death, but the

517
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,920
inner man himself can be disintegrated to such a degree

518
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,840
that we begin to see even a fractured psyche, you

519
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,760
could say. And that's what I think we're going to

520
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,559
see with Marnie. I know that a lot of people

521
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:35,320
debate the reality of MPD D I D. I think

522
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,280
it's real. I've watched a lot of documentaries, read a

523
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,199
lot of books on it. I've seen people who seem

524
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,079
to manifest this this phenomenon and maybe may be rare

525
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:46,199
in these extreme cases, but I do think it's real.

526
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,199
Speaker 3: I think it's real, and I think it's more real

527
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,880
than people realize. I think maybe you're you're even given them.

528
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,519
Given the what's it called what was that organization.

529
00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: That was started, the False Memory Center Foundations.

530
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,039
Speaker 3: Yes, so the False Memory Syndrome Foundation was essentially booted

531
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:06,079
up after a lot of people were coming out and

532
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:09,320
talking about this MPD stuff and its association to you know,

533
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,559
the human experimentation in mk ultra intelligence agencies and stuff

534
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,760
like that. I think it's absolutely real. It's something that

535
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,920
I've seen in a lot of people, and I think

536
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,719
it's more it could be it could be subtle, It

537
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,159
could be very subtle, and then it could be so

538
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,159
overt where it's like suddenly, you know, somebody snaps into

539
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,800
you know, a girl is you know, stunted maybe at

540
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,280
the age of seven or eight and constantly regressing and

541
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,119
speaking in a little girl voice. You see this with

542
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:33,239
like Britney Spears.

543
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,639
Speaker 1: And a lot of these celebrity When I saw that

544
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:36,960
when Marni, the first thing I thought of was Britney Spears.

545
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,639
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So you know when Marty in the film,

546
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,000
So if you guys, we didn't really introduce the films, right,

547
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,039
we're talking today about how we got Gaslight and Marty,

548
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:48,960
which is Hitchcock films. Actually, Marty's like there's only two

549
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:51,159
Hitchcock films that I've actually closely watched, and one of

550
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:54,199
them was fifteen years ago. So I did enjoy Marty

551
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,880
quite a bit. I thought was actually a really good

552
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,280
representation in some ways of how these things have happened

553
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:05,920
and the nature of family, right, the multi generational aspect

554
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,320
of this, I think is very important as well. Marty's mother,

555
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,039
Am I frozen?

556
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: No, you're good? Hellove? Wait, yeah, you're kind of froze, Okay.

557
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,159
Speaker 3: So I really like the character of Marty's mom. So

558
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,480
her mother, that's one of the kind of more iconic shots.

559
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,559
The first shot of her hobbling in with like little

560
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,360
Jabberwockie cane and just looking all demented, and I love

561
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,159
the visual portrayal of that character was beautiful, right, Like,

562
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,559
there's just something about like a good limp on a

563
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:40,199
character that.

564
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: Was also playing playing it, playing it up. She's manipulating Marnie, Yeah, exactly, so.

565
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 3: She she wants to appear more fragile than she is

566
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:54,920
appearing like the victim, playing the victim, this perpetual victim mentality,

567
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,840
and then the victim goes on to manipulate and victimize

568
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,599
other people. I think that's something that Marty very effectively displayed,

569
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:03,719
and that's something that we do see, yeah a lot.

570
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:06,559
Speaker 1: Right, By the way, I did find I always recommend

571
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:08,599
to people who don't know about this, or they're new

572
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:11,039
to it, or they're skeptical. I'm going to put in

573
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:13,960
the chat right here. This is the document the HBO

574
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:16,719
documentary that I always mentioned about MPD d ID that's

575
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,079
really good. It's an old, I think nineties HBO documentary

576
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:23,840
that covers it in a good way of analyzing five

577
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,159
different five or six people's lives who have this and

578
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:34,320
one of the consistent problems is ritual abuse. So you

579
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,360
can see why they obviously don't want to discuss this

580
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,239
topic as the ritual abuse comes up a lot, and

581
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,039
people would still want to oh, it doesn't even exist,

582
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:46,559
even after Jimmy Saville, even after all of these cases,

583
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,880
you know Epstein, all this stuff, Oh, doesn't exist, doesn't exus.

584
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,519
And then yet here we find this classic HBO documentary

585
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:57,280
from twenty or thirty years ago, once again being vindicated.

586
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,440
By the way. I don't want to get too ahead

587
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,519
of ourselves, because to start with Gaslight, if that's okay

588
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:04,199
with you, and then we'll move to Marnie. But have

589
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,360
you seen The Sopranos.

590
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 3: I have not watched The Soprano. I have to see

591
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,199
a single episode.

592
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: I only recently got into it. It's it's really awesome.

593
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:16,039
It's pretty badass. I can see why people think it's

594
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:17,239
one of the best shows of all time.

595
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 3: It's one of those shows where everyone was so hyped

596
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,519
on it. I was just like, nah, I did the

597
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:22,280
exact same thing.

598
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: I did the exact same I never watched it. I

599
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,400
was like, I don't care about that. But it really

600
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:29,920
is good. And there's a character just like Marnie's mom. Actually,

601
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:33,639
the grandmother and the Sopranos is the exact same. She's

602
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:37,519
super manipulative, but she plays up her like, oh I'm

603
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:40,480
about I am about to my little grandmother. I get

604
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:43,679
you know, and she but she's like this mental, psychopathic, narcissisic,

605
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,920
just nutcase.

606
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 3: Like a witch is a wicked witch. Yeah, no, that's

607
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,840
and then that's a really good I mean, a kind

608
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,920
of archetypal character, right, the overbearing mother. You see, there's

609
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,800
a lot of films in literature, you know, the overbearing mother,

610
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,159
and of course you have a psychoanalysis as well. But

611
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:07,239
the character of an overbearing mother influencing a another character

612
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,320
to become psychopathic, manipulative, and to gosslight people. Well you

613
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,239
actually kind of had this a little bit in Gaslight

614
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,039
as well, right the the film. Yeah, so the film

615
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:20,960
begins with what is it she's playing? How does the

616
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,400
film begin?

617
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: Let's h let's get to gaslighting. I want to remind

618
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,280
everybody in the audience that if you want to do

619
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,599
super chats, it's through stream labs now, so you can

620
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:31,559
still super chat. We got a couple to begin with.

621
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,679
That's how we Oops, that's not it, but that's how

622
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we keep this going. I'm going to leave you this

623
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,320
this super chi the stream labs link. It's exact same

624
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as super chests used to be. So if you have

625
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,400
a comment or a question or something you want to

626
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,639
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627
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via stream labs. And we're going to talk about cucko

628
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Or's film nineteen forty four, gas Light. It's the most

629
00:41:56,559 --> 00:42:00,480
Hitchcock non Hitchcock film. It feels like a Hitchcock movie

630
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,800
right around the time of Hitchcock Rise, but it's not

631
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,199
a Hitchcock movie. It is, however, very good. It will

632
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,559
be the means by which the phrase gas lighting comes

633
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:14,079
to be. The phrase comes from the movie, not the

634
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:17,880
other way around. There was a nineteen forty version that

635
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,960
the studio I guess m GM for whatever reason, they

636
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:22,840
tried to get rid of it. They tried to burn

637
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,039
all the posters and destroy it because because a British

638
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:27,559
it was what it was. Yeah, so they wanted to

639
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,519
have this be the only version.

640
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,119
Speaker 3: Of it, the American where the American guy is the

641
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,159
film noir crime solving hero. That must have been the difference.

642
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,039
Speaker 1: Oh exactly, I haven't. I haven't even watched the old one,

643
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:41,480
but I did read a little bit on it. Yeah.

644
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:48,639
So it begins with her aunt being killed and Ingrid Bergman,

645
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,559
the Paula character, sort of she foils the cat burglars.

646
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,559
He can't steal the jewels basically, so her mother is

647
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,320
or her aunt is, this famous opera sing or who

648
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,719
has wealth and jewels that have been given to her

649
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,000
from crown princes or whatever, and so this cat burglar

650
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,320
guy sneaks in. He's trying to get the jewels and

651
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,440
he ends up killing the ant, but he gets away

652
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,119
without the jewels. And then it sort of, I think,

653
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,920
jumps a few years into the future where Ingrid Bergman.

654
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:21,559
Paula has been sent to Italy to study opera on

655
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:26,239
her own, and so what do you know, This dashing,

656
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:32,280
dapper dan fellow pops into her life and he is

657
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,719
the smooth talking Italian guy, and well, of course we

658
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,599
know he's the cat burglar, right, but he's seducing Paula

659
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,760
because he wants the jewels Stiff for whatever. He's obsessed

660
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,559
with these jewels, and he's willing to even marry Paula

661
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,440
to get access to these jewels, which she has inherited

662
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:53,360
from her dead aunt.

663
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 3: Right, so we don't know this right, Like in the

664
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,920
beginning when it starts out, they they really flesh that

665
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:00,679
out the timeline. It's revealed an a good way, like

666
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,800
it's not hokey. The I really enjoyed the kind of

667
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,960
composition of the story that they use. It wasn't And

668
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:09,280
the acting is on point, you know, great acting. Especially

669
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,840
nineteen forty four this film came out.

670
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a classic. I mean, it's one of

671
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,280
MGM's probably you know better, more more well known. I mean,

672
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,320
I think I don't remember. Ingrid was probably in a

673
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,199
few films prior to this, but this is right around

674
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:23,719
the time where she was like, she was like a

675
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,079
new star at the time because they offered this role

676
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:30,039
to Hetty Lamar and a couple other people Laurna, I

677
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,320
forget who, but they turned it down, so she took

678
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,880
it and then she kind of becomes the next big

679
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,679
A list star. And if you don't know Ingrid is

680
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:44,199
Isabella Russolini's mother, so you'll notice the fate that they

681
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,599
have the exact same face. If you go watch Blue Velvet,

682
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,000
they look exactly the same.

683
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: But oh, that's interesting. That's interesting because that that film

684
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,159
doesn't have a lot of there's a lot of similar themes,

685
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,760
right it does.

686
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, David Lynch will draw from a lot of

687
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:01,440
these neo over these new war films like Gaslight or

688
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:03,719
Sounds of Boulevard.

689
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,039
Speaker 3: But what do you think about the how she starts

690
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:09,920
out and she's in the carriage right, Like that's one

691
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,559
of the first scenes. She's in the carriage being brought

692
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,440
to her new handler. I think the first shot is

693
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,480
they're lighting the gas in the streets, right, the gaslight

694
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:20,039
in the streets, which the gas lights back then they

695
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:23,159
had these you know, gas lanterns that you would have

696
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,199
to light manually, and the gas is flowing through the homes,

697
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,039
and if, say, if you're upstairs and you're using the gas,

698
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:31,039
you're gonna be using a lot.

699
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: Of the gas.

700
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,559
Speaker 3: Just like if you've got shitty electricity and turn on

701
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,159
the lights and everything goes dim in another room. That's

702
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:39,320
what would happen, right. But I enjoy how they show

703
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,440
kind of this transfer of power over this girl who's

704
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,559
kind of alone in the world, being essentially, you know,

705
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,119
jumping from traumatic situation the traumatic situation. Her new handler

706
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,880
is the music composer guy. You know, it's like this bald,

707
00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:59,840
kind of like Jewish looking composer type characters in Italy.

708
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:04,679
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be an old Italian opera master. Okay,

709
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,360
but it looks like about being handed off because one

710
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,199
thing that's not exactly clear is that she appears to

711
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,480
be still somewhat underage. I mean, I don't know what

712
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:16,719
the age limit on being married in Italy was in

713
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,039
nineteen thirties, but I mean she's she's like fourteen at

714
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,519
the beginning. I don't know. I don't remember how many

715
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:24,519
years later it is when she's studying in Italy after

716
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:27,199
her aunt's been killed, when the killer guy, you know,

717
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:29,960
pops on the scene and starts seducing her. But I

718
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:33,079
think this is supposed to maybe we're supposed to think, oh,

719
00:46:33,159 --> 00:46:35,599
this guy's actually a predator, like he's I mean, we

720
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:39,000
know he is a predator, but he's predating upon somebody

721
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:41,480
who's pretty young. And that's why she's so naive. She's

722
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:45,880
probably supposed to be like sixteen, seventeen eighteen. She does.

723
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,519
Speaker 3: She seems very young. And in the first scene when

724
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:50,519
she's in the carriage and there's an old man, I'm

725
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:52,559
not sure who he is, but there's this kind of

726
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:56,199
creepy old man that's bringing her to her new her

727
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,679
new teacher who knew mentor who then she gets kind

728
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:01,719
of stole from under his wing in the next team,

729
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,239
you know, so within two minutes, you get this girl

730
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,679
has passed from like three different the hands of like

731
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,280
three different handlers into a new situation where she's supposedly

732
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,760
in love with this man and he's seduced her. And

733
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,039
it's a very kind of lusty relationship, right Like there's

734
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:19,920
these scenes where they're all trying to steal moments with

735
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:22,800
each other and he's run away with me, my dear.

736
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: My dear, he says, all time and by the way,

737
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,760
that's actually a neuro linguistic programming technique. I don't think

738
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,960
they had NLP down that path back at this time

739
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:39,079
in the forties or thirties or whatever. But he constantly

740
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:42,199
says her name as as a technique later to kind

741
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:48,159
of have him saying her name, like every piece of

742
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,000
dialogue is a way for him to kind of have

743
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:51,920
power over.

744
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,039
Speaker 3: It's you can see you And he said, Oh, paul La.

745
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,199
He speaks to her like she's a child. Yeah, exactly,

746
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,320
he speaks to her like she's a child. And I

747
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,239
mean that's another thing that you notice with a lot

748
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,800
of these and that's something that they got, they really

749
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,800
nailed in this film, and David Lynch does a good

750
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,280
job with this, is showing the subtle changes and personality

751
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,960
in mannerisms that you know, just speaking simply speaking in

752
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,719
a certain cadence to a character can bring about, right,

753
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,119
Like like the scene in muholand Drive where everything is

754
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:23,519
so fake and weird in the beginning, and then she

755
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:25,960
gets into the scene with this old pervert dude in

756
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,360
Hollywood and she's in a character and then all of

757
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,760
a sudden it gets really real. You know, it's this

758
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:36,880
kind of false reality that's constantly being led by by

759
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,320
some of the characters in the film. Is it's really

760
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,719
well portrayed in gaslight, right, So her whole world is

761
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,159
essentially this like false light, right, and and gaslight? What

762
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:48,400
is a gas lantern?

763
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: When begans light their farts, we've already determined that are

764
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,880
full of gas, and so that's when they light, that's gaslighting.

765
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: Yes, it's doctor Gregor. You think you said when doctor

766
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:03,559
Gregor lights is fart on fire, that's that's gas lighting.

767
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:09,679
Lights a match under under doctor Gregor's ass. It's but

768
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,480
it's funny like the symbol of gas light, right, Like

769
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:15,360
it's an artificial light. It's not the light from you know,

770
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,280
the sun. It's not the it's a moonlight. It's it's

771
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,639
a light that somebody has to physically and regulate.

772
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: It's artificial. And the world that Ingrid will come to,

773
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:31,119
Paula will come to inhabit is artificial because it will

774
00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:35,960
become the creation of the the I forget the guy's name,

775
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:41,159
but her her new psycho controller guy, her husband. And

776
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,639
there was also a piece of foreshadding I wanted to

777
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:47,199
mention too. When when she meets Bessie, the old woman

778
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,480
on the train. At the very beginning, Bessie says.

779
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,079
Speaker 7: Oh, I'm reading a novel about a man who had

780
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:59,239
seven wives buried in his basement. I love a good

781
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:01,719
I love a They called me blood first.

782
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: And so Jamie's in there laughing. It's not that funny,

783
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,599
But I like that she's talking about the psycho husband

784
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:12,920
and her story that she's reading, who has seven wives

785
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,079
buried in the basement. That's a foreshadowing that, Hello, you're

786
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:20,840
about to marry a total psychopath here ingrid.

787
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and her character is funny because she shows up

788
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:28,599
right in the in the end, she she's eavesdropping at

789
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:31,280
the last scene. So she kind of finishes off the

790
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,760
film and punctuates it with, oh look, how scandalous. She's

791
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,920
on the roof with a new man. Oh my goodness.

792
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: It's like a novel.

793
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:42,159
Speaker 3: It's like tell novels, all right.

794
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,639
Speaker 1: So, and she's the one who gossips. She has actually

795
00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:48,679
an inadvertent role in helping solve all this, because she

796
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,199
gossips to the guy who ends up solving and figuring

797
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:57,159
out what's going on. And so, but that the the

798
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,320
guy that knew her from when she used to live

799
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:07,840
there with her aunt years before, and so he what's

800
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,800
interesting is that when the psycho dude meets up with

801
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,639
her and starts grooming her or whatever, he psychologically profiles

802
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:18,079
her by figuring out the things that she's really attached

803
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,559
to you and really loves. And the reason he's doing

804
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:24,360
that is so that he can begin to manipulate her

805
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,639
in her weak points. This is what one thing that

806
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:31,119
narcissist pus do is they find your weak points to

807
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,280
constantly push the weak point right to agitate you or

808
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,000
get you upset. And that's what he's doing is finding out, oh,

809
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:39,320
she likes these gloves, she likes this painting, she likes

810
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,119
this pendent or whatever, and so he knows the points

811
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:45,840
where he can begin to trigger her. And the first

812
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,400
thing he does is like, he's like, my Bola, I

813
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,519
would love to go back to London and leave instead

814
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:53,679
of inside of a townhouse just and it happens to

815
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,440
be the townhouse that she's triggered by, right right, the

816
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:00,440
townhouse which her aunt was murdered in, which that's the

817
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:04,320
mystery who murdered her aunt and why nobody knows yet.

818
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 3: So he so he essentially takes control of her and

819
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,320
then brings her. It convinces her to bring him to

820
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:17,000
her inherited her aunt's home, and then she she feels

821
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:18,840
a little bit weird, right, so she kind of maybe

822
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,639
senses his predatory nature, and he's constantly redirecting her attention

823
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,800
to things on the outside and saying.

824
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: Oh, look at this.

825
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:28,519
Speaker 3: The suspicion is all out there, like these other people

826
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:31,400
who are there there, they're trying to influence you. Paul.

827
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:34,599
It's your it's your your incorrect way you you only

828
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,239
you do not see it correctly.

829
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: My dear three is done. My power. You're cracking me up.

830
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,679
Speaker 3: The voices, the voice is, this voice is great. That

831
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:51,159
guy's he's a really good actor, a great his micro expressions,

832
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:53,960
you know, with his eyes, I think they did. There's

833
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:56,159
some far better acting going on in this film than

834
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:59,280
you see these days, and a lot of pop pop

835
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,079
culture stuff. But he he's a he's a well done

836
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:04,679
character is and a well written character in a well

837
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,760
acted character. And what he does I like how he

838
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,119
I don't like it. I mean, it's it's a disgusting

839
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,920
thing that he does to this woman, but the way

840
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,880
that it's portrayed. He pushes all of her memories kind

841
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,039
of up an attic, right, So all of all of

842
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:20,199
Paula's aunt's things are in this home and she comes

843
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,400
in and she's starting to have all these memories and

844
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,280
he wants to crush her memory. He wants to crush

845
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,280
her her connection to her past. Which is what cults

846
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,440
always do, right, And so you know, the cult leader

847
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,840
always want to break the ties to the family. Uh,

848
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:36,079
break them off from their old friends. Your old friends idiots.

849
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,079
Your old friends are all whatever it is. Your old

850
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:42,000
friends are shills, your old friends are are degenerates. These

851
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:45,519
people are terrible. They're they're they're they're not initiated, they're idiots. Like,

852
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:47,239
this is what colts do. They break you off from

853
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,480
your family, from your former life, and they push all

854
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:53,039
those memories into the past and then rearrange them for you.

855
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,519
So that's what psychotherapy does, right. You see a lot

856
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:57,679
of these failed marriages and stuff where all of a sudden,

857
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,639
you know, like if you talk to somebody in their

858
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:03,000
their wife starts going to a psychiatrist or a psychologist

859
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:06,880
and then suddenly this this psychologist starts playing games with

860
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,559
her mind basically, and then their whole past gets rearranged

861
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:14,760
and everything takes on new meaning because of the therapeutic

862
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,360
process of psychotherapy, and this kind of psychopath basically brings

863
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,360
her through this traumatic psychotherapy of rearranging everything in her life,

864
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,199
and he puts all the possessions of her up in

865
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,639
the attic, which you later find out is for a

866
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,960
sinister reason beyond just brainwashing Paula. He's looking for, you know,

867
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:35,679
the treasure. He's looking for the jewels, which I guess

868
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,519
you know obviously represents something beyond just physical wealth. It's

869
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:42,760
kind of this esoteric symbol of, you know, her soul,

870
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:44,199
kind of in a certain way, right.

871
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: I mean, she Ingrid Berman went and studied in a

872
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,159
mental institute for this role, and she studied a woman

873
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:54,960
who had to break down, and she's trying to mimic

874
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:59,320
her breakdown on this woman's breakdown. And another interesting factoid

875
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:03,000
is that the opera that she sings I don't remember

876
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,360
the name of it, but it's actually a famous opera

877
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,159
about a woman who goes mad and has a breakdown.

878
00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:13,559
So there's like all these really subtle foreshadowings. And one

879
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,079
that Jamie noticed that I didn't even notice that was

880
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:19,840
in the the factoids on the movie was that the

881
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,079
as the movie progresses, there's more and more clutter and

882
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:28,920
bric a brac all around her and in the house.

883
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,199
And the guy did that on purpose. The psycho husband

884
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:35,559
did it on purpose to do more and more get

885
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:39,400
her into a frame of dissociation and clutter and madness.

886
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,559
Speaker 3: That's that's really I actually didn't notice the transformation of

887
00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:46,559
the house much. Maybe it was too far from a

888
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:49,320
small screen when I watched it. That's really uh, that's

889
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,360
really important too, because when you look at pop culture today, right,

890
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,039
look at the architecture we have. Look at the billboards

891
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:56,719
we have, right.

892
00:55:56,679 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: We association madness.

893
00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all over the billboard. Is just you know,

894
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:07,440
the hyper sexual hyper violence. Violence is sexy, sex is violence.

895
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:08,039
Speaker 1: You know that.

896
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 3: That's the imagery we get. It's discombobulating, it's it's it's

897
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:16,519
very esthetically displeasing. And you've talked about modern art and

898
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:20,760
modern architecture, how these have been used by you know,

899
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,719
social engineers in order to format the psyche of modern

900
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:25,400
mad Yeah.

901
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: There's one of those Stanford research documents. It's in Daniel

902
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,239
Essolin's book, and he talked about how they talked, They

903
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:39,519
said to intentionally induce mania neurosis and dissociation into the

904
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:42,440
mass mind through the toxic culture.

905
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 3: Basically, So when I see and I mean, maybe drop

906
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,519
this down right now, because.

907
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: Big big Daddy, deep State, the social engineers, they represent

908
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,920
this psychopath. The public is represented by Ingrid Bergmann. That's

909
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,000
the way to understand.

910
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 3: Exactly, right. So, what's the guy that was that actor's name?

911
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:04,519
I would I'd like to see some more of if

912
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:08,039
Sergis Bauer is the murderer, right, So that Surgis Bauer

913
00:57:08,199 --> 00:57:10,119
was the name that was on the letter that she found,

914
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:13,840
which triggered this whole thing. Right, So Ingrid Bergmann's character

915
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:19,480
found the letter from this guy who was the murderer.

916
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,239
She found this letter and was reading it, and he

917
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,960
tried to make her believe that it wasn't real. He tried.

918
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,360
He tried so hard to Gaslighter that in the end

919
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,840
of the film, near the end of the film, she

920
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:36,199
brings it up. He's trying to ask her, what is

921
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:38,599
it that's she's kind of breaking for you, the programming

922
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:41,039
in certain ways, She's starting to question it. She wants

923
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:42,480
to go out into the world. She wants to go

924
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:44,280
to this party, right, she wants to go to this

925
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,239
party from this woman that she knew when she was

926
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,519
a child, and it was like a major A major

927
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,280
turning point in the plot is her getting dressed up

928
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,079
and saying, no, I'm I'm going to this party, even

929
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:57,400
though he had already written to the host and said

930
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,320
my wife is very secret preventing her from coming.

931
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: I am so sixty.

932
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:08,599
Speaker 3: I think he's French. Is any French? Is the Italian?

933
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: Maybe? Maybe? Right? I thought he was French. But like

934
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,639
all the men in this period, like the eighteen from

935
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:17,519
eighteen fifty to nineteen thirty, everybody looked like it am

936
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,000
either a wizard, I mean like a stage magician or

937
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:21,880
dragt So.

938
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:27,719
Speaker 3: Everybody stage magicians are Dracula. It looked like every everyone

939
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:31,239
looks like Manley P. Hall in the forties, like the

940
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,599
weird hypnotic eyes, and they did. They did a great

941
00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:35,920
job with the lighting in his eyes at certain times.

942
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:37,079
Listen to the.

943
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:42,119
Speaker 1: Lighting is a huge thing in noir, right, you gotta

944
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:48,360
have the specifically darkened uh lighting for that that whole genre.

945
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,079
Oh one other side note, I didn't want to mention

946
00:58:55,239 --> 00:58:58,519
that this is actually Angel Lansbury's first role. So if

947
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:02,079
your grandmother or your whom her parents love to watch murder.

948
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:05,320
She wrote this is This is Angela Lansbury's first role.

949
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:10,679
She's the maid and she has a strange slang. She

950
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:16,559
likes to say coo. She's like a street bitch, right,

951
00:59:16,639 --> 00:59:21,000
Like they bring street and then her into a maid.

952
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:23,239
And he he does this because she's like a low

953
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,280
class kind of person that he thinks he can manipulate.

954
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,559
I'm talking about the psychopathic guy.

955
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,119
Speaker 8: Yeah, the the maids, Well there's two maids, right, the

956
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:35,280
one of them the younger, the younger one, right, So

957
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,000
she's kind of sexualized in the film, and she comes

958
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:39,760
on to him at one point and they have this

959
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,440
unspoken sexual tension.

960
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,039
Speaker 3: Which another thing about this film that's a lot makes

961
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:47,360
it much more enjoyable is it's like they don't have

962
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:51,760
to they get across, like the the vulgarity of his

963
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:55,519
of the psychopathic character and his kind of like, uh,

964
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,440
I don't know, is what do you call it? Is

965
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,880
an adult inclinations. They do it without like he doesn't

966
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,679
have to go have like an orgy or something. Then

967
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:07,320
i'd like explicitly have the sexual act. They just they

968
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:08,760
did it in a way where it was kind of

969
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:12,440
classy but also got the raunchiness across of that the

970
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:14,760
mad character. You know, she's talking about I'm going to

971
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,559
dance and he's like, who are you going to dance with?

972
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,760
And oh, gentleman friend, and you know, so they have

973
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,360
this moment which is very well done seen and kind

974
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,480
of a very creepy and and freaky in some ways

975
01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:28,079
and kind of scary, but it's so subtle. I like

976
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:29,079
the way they got that across.

977
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:33,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't remember the first year of the Hayese Code,

978
01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:35,000
but they had what they call the Hayes Code at

979
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,639
this time, and that you couldn't It was a little

980
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:40,760
weird because I mean it's almost like there was an

981
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,320
extreme back then, the Hayes Code, and now the extreme

982
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,440
is the exact opposite, because in the Hayes I think

983
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:50,679
you couldn't even show a husband and wife having the

984
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,719
same bed. That's why in all those old movies and

985
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,920
TV shows there's a husband's bed and a wife's bed

986
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,639
because it was part of the code, which they could

987
01:00:57,639 --> 01:00:59,559
be a bizarre to me. But now are the exact

988
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:03,079
opposite to where its like anything and everything has to

989
01:01:03,159 --> 01:01:04,360
be in every single movie.

990
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,039
Speaker 9: I've heard some I forget who was I heard talking

991
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:10,119
about this and it seemed like it really really true,

992
01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:12,480
is uh, you know in the beginning, and then the

993
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:14,559
studios had to keep things wholesome to a certain extent,

994
01:01:14,639 --> 01:01:16,320
and you had you also had the Catholic Church, which

995
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:16,639
is very.

996
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 3: Involved in trying if they were in the code. Yeah, yeah,

997
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,719
so the Hayese Code, which came from the Catholicism of

998
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,760
Roman Roman Catholics. But it was yeah, they had to

999
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,800
get this trojan horse into the homes, and so they

1000
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,760
had little leave it, leave it to Beaver and wholesome

1001
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,119
family messages and the protagonist was always learning a good lesson.

1002
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:39,239
So people were said, okay, we can, we can have

1003
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,519
some television in the home. This is teaching our children

1004
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:44,840
a good lesson. It's teaching them about the world, and

1005
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,519
it's helping them have morals. Check out, leave it to Beaver.

1006
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:50,800
And now it's like, I don't know, like whatever's on

1007
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:55,360
Disney Channel now, it's probably like, yeah, like miss Beaver

1008
01:01:55,519 --> 01:01:58,079
the mill for whatever is the Disney show these days,

1009
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:03,760
like mister Chasing Missus chasing Miss Beaver to chasing Miss

1010
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,679
Beaver's beaver whatever.

1011
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: And it's an actual beaver, Like it's like bee steal

1012
01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:11,480
type stuff. Now it's not e is a beaver and

1013
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:14,199
it like beaver is a beaver.

1014
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 3: But it's what it's it actually is. It's the protagonist

1015
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,480
in the end because it's helping get rid of toxic masculinity,

1016
01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:23,800
because it's it just it just grinds up the phallacies

1017
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,760
that come towards it. It's really weird.

1018
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: Why don't they get rid of masculinity in nature? By

1019
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,519
the way, I guess they will probably eventually.

1020
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:34,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I guess the transhumanism they want to

1021
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,440
end all death and all suffering, which they also believe

1022
01:02:38,519 --> 01:02:40,280
that life is suffering.

1023
01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: So the easiest examples of gas lighting come about in

1024
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,840
the film when he literally just does things right in

1025
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,559
front of her, like takes her pendant, hides it, gives it,

1026
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,639
takes his watch, says he lost it, puts it in

1027
01:02:56,719 --> 01:02:59,760
her purse, pulls it out of her purse, and you know,

1028
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,960
tries to basically frame her. He does all these little

1029
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:04,519
psyops and he just starts doing things in her face, like,

1030
01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:09,239
you know, implying that she's insane, and it's contrary to

1031
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,079
the very thing that her sense impression is telling her, right,

1032
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,039
like her senses are telling her that She's not insane,

1033
01:03:16,239 --> 01:03:20,559
but she is under his authority, and you know, kind

1034
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:23,280
of has this Stockholm syndrome kind of attachment to him.

1035
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,039
So she almost doesn't want to admit to herself that

1036
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,840
he could be this evil. And so this is something

1037
01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:33,440
This is one of the stumbling blocks to people recognizing

1038
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:37,400
and understanding corrupt, evil leaders is that they have the

1039
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,519
stumbling block that surely nobody could be that evil. They

1040
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:44,960
can't actually be that level of psychopath. There's no way

1041
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:47,920
somebody could. The government wouldn't lie to my face.

1042
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 3: Exactly what he like you said, he shoves it in

1043
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,360
her face. And I think one of the turning points

1044
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,159
in the film I mentioned earlier, and I've kind of

1045
01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:00,719
got lost in it. I forgot to finish the he

1046
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:03,239
she goes to that she wants to go to this

1047
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:06,480
performance this pianist was playing and some sort of a

1048
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,119
high society. She dresses up in this beautiful white dress,

1049
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,480
and she looks gorgeous, and she's so happy and and

1050
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:17,920
they're sitting there and they're watching this beautiful performance and

1051
01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:21,239
this is one of the best you know, cinema cinematography

1052
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:23,280
in the scene and the music and the acting is great.

1053
01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:26,800
But he he has this watch, and he pulls the

1054
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,440
watch out the chain for his watch in his pocket

1055
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,119
and the watch is gone, right, so of course he

1056
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:35,519
hid the watch in her bag. He reaches for her

1057
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:38,639
bag and it's this very slow, grueling scene and he

1058
01:04:38,679 --> 01:04:40,000
pulls the watch out of the bag and she just

1059
01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:43,320
starts bawling and crying and breaking down in front of everybody.

1060
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:48,519
And so he basically triggers her with these actions and

1061
01:04:48,639 --> 01:04:52,840
then uses this to humiliate her publicly, to try and

1062
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,800
separate her from any outside influences who might threaten his

1063
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:01,639
control over her, you know, desires her soul or her consciousness.

1064
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:06,400
There's another thing. He's constantly trying to guard her from

1065
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,000
outside influence. That's really important to him because if she

1066
01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:13,840
can be influenced by something from the outside, she might

1067
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,760
see the objective truth that he's manipulating her and keeping

1068
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:22,639
her in the dark, that he's gaslighting her. So yeah,

1069
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:25,639
it's a that's a really important scene. I really enjoyed

1070
01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:29,599
that scene in the film there, And of course at

1071
01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:32,840
this place you have the Scotland Yard detective. He shows

1072
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,239
up there and he's trying to figure out what's going

1073
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,760
on here. He's kind of like the hero savior character,

1074
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,599
and he's the American for some reason, he's an American

1075
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,639
from I don't know, maybe it's in the FBI or something.

1076
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean this is a you know, Allayway production,

1077
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,400
so I'm sure at this time they wanted to have

1078
01:05:48,039 --> 01:05:52,199
that sort of messaging there. And you know, Italy is

1079
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,039
part of the Axis Powers, so naturally you would have

1080
01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:00,239
a bad guy being Italian. It makes sense in that guard.

1081
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're there, they're in London saving the Americans,

1082
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,119
and the Londoners are going to save her from the

1083
01:06:07,159 --> 01:06:11,440
bad Italian gas ladder. But it's so.

1084
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: Let's see, by the way, what was his profession? Was

1085
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:19,199
it ever made clear? I mean, he's a professional.

1086
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 3: Con man, but he's a composer. He's a composer and

1087
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:25,159
he has to compose in a different house because it's

1088
01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:28,400
too loud in this house. Right, he can't do his

1089
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,559
will kid because it's too loud here, which, of course

1090
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:32,880
she seems to internalize. It's like, oh, it's her fault, right,

1091
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,400
he can't do his work here because I'm here because

1092
01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:38,239
I do things wrong, and I'm always a burden. She

1093
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,400
always feels like she's burdening him, and he makes her

1094
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,239
to always feel like she's just holding him back. He's

1095
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,039
just trying to help her, but she's so screwed up,

1096
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,480
when in reality is he's constantly beating her down. He's

1097
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:50,599
constantly manipulating her and making her feel broken.

1098
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, thanks guys for those super chants.

1099
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:55,360
Be sure and like and share. We're getting up here

1100
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,920
to three hundred and fifty live. Almost through fifty live.

1101
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:00,960
I will get to the was in a minute. But

1102
01:07:02,199 --> 01:07:05,079
this reminded me of another movie that's really good in

1103
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:10,039
regard to this, the Insight, which is The Lodge, which

1104
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:13,880
came out this year back in January. It's a psychological

1105
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:19,159
horror thriller by the directors that made a Good Night Mommy,

1106
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,400
which is also a pretty wild, dark psychological thriller. Did

1107
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,960
you buy a chance to see The Lodge? You probably haven't,

1108
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,280
But I'm not gonna spoil anything because if you watch

1109
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,239
the trailer you can already kind of figure out. But

1110
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,280
one of the things in The Lodge that that's pretty

1111
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,440
we can understand ingrid Bergmann's position as Paula because in

1112
01:07:42,639 --> 01:07:46,519
the Lodge, as you are watching the film, you don't

1113
01:07:46,599 --> 01:07:50,039
want to suspect that the kids could be that evil, right,

1114
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:54,199
you don't want to suspect that kids could be gaslighting. Basically,

1115
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,079
the kids in this movie are sort of messing with

1116
01:07:57,239 --> 01:08:00,719
this woman and as they're isolated in this lodge somewhere

1117
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,960
in the middle of like a snowstorm, and you don't

1118
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:07,400
know why they're doing it. I mean, you can kind

1119
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:12,360
of guess, but they basically figure out her weaknesses and

1120
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,359
they keep pushing her pressure points. They realize she's taking

1121
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,560
I think Prozac or something. They're kind of some kind

1122
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,399
of you know, SSR I mad. They utilize all these

1123
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,399
weak points and they just keep doing these like crazier

1124
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,000
and crazier level things. And as an audience, you just

1125
01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:32,439
keep thinking, oh, well they're kids and they act like nice,

1126
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,960
there's no way. But actually we know that, you know

1127
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:39,800
from the Fall, this is entirely possible for kids all

1128
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,720
the way up to adults to be to be really evil,

1129
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,520
to be really wicked, you know, right.

1130
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 3: Well, the Nowist Revolution, I mean you had great kids

1131
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:53,079
on their parents and even violent actions done by children, right,

1132
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:58,079
That's that's a great manipulation technique, right, you use human shields.

1133
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,520
Speaker 1: Human shields, right, Yeah, this goes on in warfare. Child

1134
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,520
soldiers all this kind of remember all that Coney twenty

1135
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,039
twelve bullshit. I mean, there were child soldiers and this

1136
01:09:07,159 --> 01:09:09,159
kind of stuff, even though Conye was probably long dead.

1137
01:09:09,239 --> 01:09:12,079
But but yeah, that's that's part of that tactic is

1138
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:18,000
to you know, utilize and again, yes the children are damaged,

1139
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:20,399
as we'll see with Marnie, but that still doesn't you know,

1140
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,159
two wrongs don't make it right, you know what I mean,

1141
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:25,600
just just just because their damag doesn't mean that oh well,

1142
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,159
it's okay if they're a psychopathic.

1143
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:27,399
Speaker 2: Right.

1144
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: He gets her to eventually question her own memories. He

1145
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:36,520
isolates her, as you pointed out very I like the

1146
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,800
analogy to the cult leaders. I didn't even think about that,

1147
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,800
but he actually just like a cult leader's the same

1148
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,000
pattern of psychopathy.

1149
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:46,079
Speaker 3: Great point there, which is another thing that when you

1150
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:49,279
look at the traits of a psychopath, it's all cult leader, right,

1151
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:52,680
and it's also the traits of a psychopath. Are I

1152
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:53,399
think I'm frozen?

1153
01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:57,560
Speaker 1: And another thing too, is that he knows that she

1154
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,159
doesn't want to believe it, and he can play on that.

1155
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:03,640
Are you there?

1156
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:05,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm back there, You're back.

1157
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: He knows that her, he knows that she doesn't want

1158
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,920
to believe it, and he can play on that, right.

1159
01:10:11,039 --> 01:10:13,119
She doesn't want to admit this to herself because of

1160
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:16,079
well the implications and how crazy it would be. And

1161
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,640
you know, she looks like a fool for having gotten

1162
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:29,239
with this guy. Don't goshrud me. I didn't just walking away.

1163
01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 3: That's I didn't just walk away. What are you talking about?

1164
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:36,039
Speaker 1: There you go. Now we have a perfect example of it, right,

1165
01:10:36,079 --> 01:10:38,239
he says, I didn't just Dristan just gassed by the

1166
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,359
whole audience, he said, he didn't walk away. We saw

1167
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:40,800
the kid.

1168
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:42,319
Speaker 8: What are you talking about?

1169
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, stop flickering that light. And now you have to

1170
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:48,600
tell me that you didn't there is no light. There

1171
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:53,680
is no light. Yet we called him exposed. Exposed.

1172
01:10:57,159 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 3: They did a good job with the with the items

1173
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:00,760
they chose her, Like her broach was the first thing

1174
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,920
that went missing, and it's just like little things that

1175
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,039
he would hide from her you move around in the house.

1176
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,800
But then, what I thought it was an interesting concept

1177
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,079
that like bringing other people into the gas lighting, and

1178
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:16,439
it happens almost naturally, right like with the maid, it's

1179
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,319
not like she had to be briefed and like, hey,

1180
01:11:18,399 --> 01:11:20,319
we're gonna we're gonna mess with this lady. We're gonna

1181
01:11:20,399 --> 01:11:22,760
drive her nuts, we're gonna abuse her. But the maid

1182
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,119
kind of just in this like kind of demonic way

1183
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:29,000
that that's it found that that kind of whatever, that uh,

1184
01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:31,800
that thing found its opening in her, and she, uh,

1185
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,520
she became a part of the of the plot against Paula.

1186
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, just due to.

1187
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:42,560
Speaker 3: Her own lust for h the handsome Surgis Bower or

1188
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:48,039
what's an Anton right, Anton is his last name. Through

1189
01:11:48,119 --> 01:11:50,960
her lust for him perhaps or her just boredom and

1190
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,359
being a busy body. Uh, she she got in on

1191
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,960
it and became a major part of the manipulation of

1192
01:11:56,119 --> 01:11:57,439
Paula exactly.

1193
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: Let's move on now, let's you have anything else? In

1194
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,199
a Gaslight. It's a classic movie. I highly recommend people

1195
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:06,119
watch it if you want to get an insight into

1196
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,359
psychological warfare, manipulation, all these kind of techniques. That's a

1197
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,760
better means of trying to understand this than all the

1198
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,840
idiots on YouTube trying to talk about this, so they

1199
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,720
don't know what they're talking about. Anything else on Gaslight.

1200
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last scene is pretty good. I think the

1201
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:26,079
last scene where he's tied up the the antagonist that

1202
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:31,359
was Anton Gregor Anton's character. He's tied up and the

1203
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:35,640
police officer leaves the protagonist with him alone. She demands,

1204
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:36,840
she said, I want to be with him. I want

1205
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,800
to confront him. And she's alone in the room with

1206
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,960
him and he tells her it basically tries to manipulate

1207
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,439
her and gaslight her into thinking that this is it's

1208
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,079
It's all okay. I'm still your I'm still your dude.

1209
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:51,880
It's okay. This guy is just manipulating you because he

1210
01:12:52,079 --> 01:12:54,000
is lusting for you. He's I can feel it. He

1211
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,880
is in love with you. He wants to get romantic

1212
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,720
with you. I can feel it. Get there as a

1213
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,039
knife in the disc, we'll get the knife and cuts

1214
01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:03,439
me free.

1215
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: Paula.

1216
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 3: So she goes over there, she's looking for it, and

1217
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,279
she finds the knife and it's in her hand. She's like,

1218
01:13:08,319 --> 01:13:10,399
what knife? What are you talking about? What knife? And

1219
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,279
there's a really good moment there where you kind of

1220
01:13:12,319 --> 01:13:15,359
feel the possibility of her becoming the abuser as well,

1221
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:17,680
right like, is she gonna is she gonna torture him

1222
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:19,479
with this knife? Is she gonna stab him with the knife?

1223
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,479
Or is she gonna cut him free? Yeah, and so

1224
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,319
there's a lot of possibilities. So the knife kind of

1225
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:27,239
to me represents the techniques, right, she's been she sees

1226
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:29,720
it all, and she's wielding the techniques in her hand

1227
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,720
now because this has been given to her through this character,

1228
01:13:33,039 --> 01:13:35,560
and she can decide what to do with that knife afterwards.

1229
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:39,840
So maybe Paula's character ends up becoming Marny later on,

1230
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:40,479
you know, I mean.

1231
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,279
Speaker 1: The type of exactly. Yeah, that's one of the themes

1232
01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:47,159
here is the possibility, well we know in Marnie what happens,

1233
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:50,359
but the possibility of this being like a generational thing.

1234
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,039
And certainly in the case of you know, like abused

1235
01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:55,279
and that kind of stuff, it seems to be a

1236
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:59,960
generational perpetuated thing. And I think sometimes in the case

1237
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:03,840
so some of they really degenerate elite families, it's intentional.

1238
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,359
They intentionally want to abuse their youth so that they

1239
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:11,159
become psychopathic. I mean, this is something that's been known

1240
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:14,039
by nobility have had the tendency to want to create

1241
01:14:14,319 --> 01:14:17,600
psychopathic offspring because they believe that you know, it's like

1242
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,079
a powerful Yeah, it's it's like a survival of the

1243
01:14:21,119 --> 01:14:21,840
fittest type of things.

1244
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 3: So they see it as spiritual power. Right, they're charging

1245
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,760
you with spiritual power. And it's a weakness to have empathy.

1246
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,000
It's a weakness not to be able to like whatever

1247
01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:32,159
slit a puppy's throat after you raise the dog, which

1248
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:35,640
is you know the James Bond allegory that you know

1249
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:40,800
it's been used, and that those techniques of psychologically breaking

1250
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:45,000
somebody are they're powerful and they do impose, they do

1251
01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:47,840
kind of charge somebody up with a potential for a

1252
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,840
lot of evil and a lot of manipulation. Froze again,

1253
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:51,199
didn't I.

1254
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: No, you didn't freeze?

1255
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:54,159
Speaker 3: Or not to me?

1256
01:14:55,359 --> 01:15:03,239
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit. Yeah, they're coming back. One question

1257
01:15:03,359 --> 01:15:03,920
for you, are you there?

1258
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:05,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm back.

1259
01:15:07,039 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: Can you think of an instance where and I'm guessing

1260
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,199
it's probably on YouTube. I mean, you can give any

1261
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:14,479
instance that you want, but has somebody gaslighted you? What's

1262
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,439
an instance of gas lighting that was real that you've experienced?

1263
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's when you see gas lighting used.

1264
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:21,520
Speaker 1: Now, it's.

1265
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 3: This is something that it's not just like there's a

1266
01:15:25,119 --> 01:15:27,520
it's like with psychopathy, right when you look at the

1267
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,760
definition path right, like if you're to look up like

1268
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,520
the psychopathic traits there's a list of you know, I

1269
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:37,640
don't hundreds or let's see what it is you've got.

1270
01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bother.

1271
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 3: But if you look at the traits of a psychopath,

1272
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:47,159
it's you know, artificial charm, very manipulative, highly intelligent, but

1273
01:15:47,359 --> 01:15:51,600
very manipulative. All these all these traits that everybody can

1274
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:56,800
possibly exhibit. Right, So the same thing with gaslighting. I'll

1275
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,319
just I'll give an example of me myself. I was

1276
01:16:00,399 --> 01:16:03,399
like in my teenage years getting caught smoking weed in

1277
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:07,439
my bathroom by my parents. So there's like we'd going

1278
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:11,359
out the window or the I'm in the shower, right,

1279
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,399
and I got like a pipe and smoking pot of

1280
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:15,840
like seventeen years old, I'm smoking pot in the bathroom

1281
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:21,720
and my parents smelled it. Of course they smelled it.

1282
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,760
So can you I think you're muted.

1283
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: You got like a big Gandolf pipe in your shower

1284
01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:30,079
that's whatever, like.

1285
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,159
Speaker 3: An eight foot long show.

1286
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're like you're in there like Gandolf, like

1287
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:37,800
this throne.

1288
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 3: So so I'm I'm in the shower, I'm like make

1289
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:44,760
it in the shower. And then my dad's like, hey,

1290
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,720
what's going on. It calls me out and I'm just like.

1291
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,239
Speaker 1: Oh shit, like what do I do? What am I

1292
01:16:51,319 --> 01:16:51,640
gonna do?

1293
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 3: Like I'm caught. So I'm just like basically just doubled down,

1294
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,680
and I remember just no, no, what are you talking about?

1295
01:16:59,359 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: What do you tell? Clouds of weed puffing out everyone.

1296
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:05,159
Speaker 3: I stayed in the shower until I thought the smell

1297
01:17:05,239 --> 01:17:09,239
had gone away, and then so then I open up

1298
01:17:09,279 --> 01:17:11,079
the door out of the bathroom and it's like a

1299
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:13,760
Jack and Jill bathroom. The first part is the sinks, and.

1300
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 10: There's a door going through to my brother's room, and

1301
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,680
then there's the little bathroom part with a toilet in

1302
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,520
the shower, and then there's a window that I was

1303
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,439
blowing the smoke, and my parents are just sitting there

1304
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,079
right in front of the in the sinks, in front

1305
01:17:25,079 --> 01:17:26,159
of the sinks, and I opened the door.

1306
01:17:26,199 --> 01:17:28,399
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, so maybe they forgot about it.

1307
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,399
I'll go like I'll like hide the pipe or something.

1308
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,640
And I opened the door and they're right there. And

1309
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,319
it was just funny because my first instinct was like no,

1310
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,079
just lie right. It was just double down. I was like, no,

1311
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:38,840
you guys are crazy.

1312
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?

1313
01:17:40,079 --> 01:17:41,279
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? You're crazy?

1314
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 1: Right.

1315
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 3: So it's like, and this isn't what most teenagers end

1316
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,880
up doing this to their parents at some point. No,

1317
01:17:46,119 --> 01:17:48,399
mom and dad, you're crazy. I don't smell like cigarettes

1318
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:50,239
or like that. You don't smell booze on my breath

1319
01:17:50,359 --> 01:17:52,560
or like whatever. It is like, it's like you just

1320
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,800
double down and lie about it. This is a natural

1321
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:56,560
human thing. But look, if you get used to that,

1322
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,640
you get entrained to that, and you grow up your

1323
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,800
whole life thinking this is how you get what you want.

1324
01:18:01,119 --> 01:18:03,439
You lie to people, You manipulate people, you make them

1325
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,039
think that they're uh, you make a question their sanity.

1326
01:18:06,119 --> 01:18:08,880
If they do approach the truth with you, you can

1327
01:18:09,039 --> 01:18:10,560
end up like a cycle like this. So I think

1328
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,239
that's just uh, that's one example that comes to mind

1329
01:18:13,319 --> 01:18:14,399
of you know, when I was a kid, when I

1330
01:18:14,399 --> 01:18:17,760
would maybe have tried to use some of the Gosloyton techniques.

1331
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,680
But I mean, you see in the vegan in the

1332
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,239
whole vegan movement, which I'm always criticizing and kind of

1333
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:26,600
breaking down, we uh, we see a lot when somebody

1334
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:31,840
leaves veganism on YouTube, like these vegan influencers will decide

1335
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,000
they don't want to be vegan. Anymore, their health crashes,

1336
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:37,720
their gut is destroyed, they can't digest anything, They're depressed, anxious.

1337
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,520
Some of them will get really really bad, and uh

1338
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,760
they leave the cult. And what are the vegans do?

1339
01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:48,880
They say, no, you did it wrong, you were never

1340
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,840
really vegan. I'm sick of this cutting out? Why is

1341
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:53,359
it doing that?

1342
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:59,079
Speaker 1: Right back? My stream status is going up and down?

1343
01:18:59,319 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 3: So okay, cool, So it might not be me I

1344
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:02,199
was thinking it was.

1345
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,079
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a good connection up until now.

1346
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:09,560
It's saying that YouTube is having trouble getting a clear connection,

1347
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:14,159
so it keeps, it keeps jumping from good to excellent

1348
01:19:15,079 --> 01:19:31,880
to poor. So we're choppy. Everybody's leaving the stream because

1349
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:36,560
we're choppy, right, I'm back, hear me? Yeah, but I

1350
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,760
think we're choppy on my end. So I'm just shiving

1351
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,159
it a second to kind of catch up. Fiddle, you

1352
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:45,600
feel smooth out. Isn't there a way to like change? Okay,

1353
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,960
it looks like we're kind of getting back now to

1354
01:19:48,079 --> 01:19:51,479
change is it back? Yes? I know the stream is shopping.

1355
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,880
I can't do anything about it. Sometimes YouTube and the

1356
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:56,720
internet just does that.

1357
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 3: Someone said we're good, someone said audio is good.

1358
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: Still keep going audio is good. Lagging okay, yeah, so.

1359
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, so anyway, so the vegans will do they'll say,

1360
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,560
they'll tell the x vegans the people who are leaving

1361
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,880
their cult. And you see this when people leave cults.

1362
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,560
You see it in scientology as well. They'll swarm them

1363
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:19,039
with basically harass them and try to drive them nuts.

1364
01:20:19,079 --> 01:20:21,520
So you see these x vegans getting told, oh, you

1365
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:25,319
did it wrong, you were never really vegan. And basically

1366
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,760
the gas lighting techniques are very prominent when you see

1367
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:33,000
somebody leaving any cults. Yeah, and that's prominent in many

1368
01:20:33,079 --> 01:20:36,880
of these little mini cults, these secular cults online that.

1369
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,119
Speaker 1: You see like twenty people leave, thirty people leave because

1370
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:43,520
it lags. I mean, I like anyone can control that.

1371
01:20:45,039 --> 01:20:47,079
Speaker 3: I'm out of here, dude, I gotta go, all.

1372
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: Right, So even you leave like two minutes of lagging,

1373
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,640
I'm out of here, dude. Let's talk about Marnie. This

1374
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,960
is in the period when you have I mean, Freudianism

1375
01:20:57,079 --> 01:21:00,720
is still popular in the fifties and sixties, but Carl Young,

1376
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,840
you know, freud Student psychoanalysis is all the rage even

1377
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,720
still in this time period of the forties and fifties

1378
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,199
and somebody said Marnie is all about Freud. I mean

1379
01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:13,600
there are forty in elements. But actually the book that's

1380
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:17,600
mentioned in the in the screenplay is Carl Young. The

1381
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,399
Undiscovered Self is a Carl Young book. And that's one

1382
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,319
of the things that Sean Connery recommends to Monor don't

1383
01:21:24,359 --> 01:21:28,560
you read they Undiscovered shelf manor and she won't do it.

1384
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,079
Speaker 3: It's John Connory's accent in the movie. He is like,

1385
01:21:31,159 --> 01:21:32,720
weird American accent.

1386
01:21:36,079 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: This, let's see so the chat can remind me. But

1387
01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:45,640
Psycho Strangers on the Train, Vertigo Marnie. I mean, Hissock

1388
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:50,760
has a million movies, so I'm sure that it comes

1389
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,800
up elsewhere. But these are at least four of the

1390
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:59,039
Hiscock classics. Then include the notion of alters MPD D

1391
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:03,119
id it's a theme in Hitchcock. That's what's going on here.

1392
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,359
We notice that at the beginning she's almost acting like

1393
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:08,800
a spy, like she's like she's dyed her hair. She

1394
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,680
goes and steals a bunch of money from someplace she

1395
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,439
works at, and then we realize that that's her scam.

1396
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,720
Her scam for some reason, is to get jobs. Tiv

1397
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Hedron Marnie to go work at someplace her unassumed identity,

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which is a lot easier back in the sixties or whatever.

1399
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:29,159
And then she just gets the code to the workplace safe,

1400
01:22:30,199 --> 01:22:32,880
takes the money, runs off, and then washes the die

1401
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:34,640
out of her hair. Then she moves on to the

1402
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,039
next one. Right, that's her scam, that's what she's running.

1403
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,399
She gets this money, and then she goes and buys

1404
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,319
things to try to get her mom's favor. She buys

1405
01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:49,640
her mom a fur thing. And her mom is this

1406
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:55,000
kind of like backwards redneck woman that it seems unassuming,

1407
01:22:55,119 --> 01:22:57,760
but as we find out, she's actually super manipulative and

1408
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:02,239
doesn't really love Marnie. And Marnie keeps feeding trying to

1409
01:23:02,399 --> 01:23:04,520
win her mom's favor and it doesn't work.

1410
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,199
Speaker 3: And the mom. We talked about the mom a little

1411
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:12,000
bit earlier. She's a great character, though she's just hobbling,

1412
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:18,119
seemingly physically broken, crooked little woman.

1413
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,520
Speaker 1: Who's that I like her line when she's like, now,

1414
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,039
we don't do none of that smart Bible talk in

1415
01:23:24,199 --> 01:23:27,479
my house. Don't bring that smart Bible talk.

1416
01:23:28,279 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 3: What is smart Bible salable words in my house?

1417
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 1: So she's very resentful she resents anybody who's successful. Marnie, uh,

1418
01:23:39,079 --> 01:23:42,760
you know, has these different quasi successful jobs. I mean

1419
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:44,680
she can go and get get the jobs that she wants,

1420
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,840
men do like her. And the mom seems to resent

1421
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,960
all this. Are we good? Amestra is a get right

1422
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,039
Harris is everything? Okay? It says, excellent connection now, so.

1423
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,520
Speaker 3: I think we got a good connection. And and Marnie also,

1424
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:02,000
she's always jocking for her mom's approval, right like, she

1425
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,680
says something along the lines of why don't you love me?

1426
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:05,359
Speaker 1: Why doesn't she?

1427
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 3: And the mother has this like a neighbor girl who

1428
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:13,880
comes over and hangs out, And Marnie, who's a grown woman,

1429
01:24:14,399 --> 01:24:16,920
is jealous of this like whatever ten or twelve year

1430
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,239
old girl, and overtly and even verbally jealous tells her mom,

1431
01:24:21,319 --> 01:24:22,239
why don't you love me?

1432
01:24:22,399 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 1: You love me enough? Or something like that, Yeah, why

1433
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,600
do you love this ten year old girl next door?

1434
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,680
And you treat her like a daughter? You don't love me?

1435
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:32,159
And the mom never says, we're We're gonna find out later,

1436
01:24:32,279 --> 01:24:34,479
but yeah, but we see that that's setting up the

1437
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,560
fact that Marnie is manipulated by her mom, her her

1438
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:41,720
motherly archetype that she's never been able to to please.

1439
01:24:42,319 --> 01:24:44,560
And the mom has instilled in Marnie that all men

1440
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,760
are evil, all men are are are going to beat you,

1441
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,520
and they're they're they're evil, and so Marnie will never

1442
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,159
be attached. She can't stand for men to touch her, right,

1443
01:24:54,199 --> 01:24:55,039
She's like, don't.

1444
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 3: Touch me, yeah, which is you know, it's funny because

1445
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,079
we you're just talking about gaslight. How the character, the

1446
01:25:02,119 --> 01:25:07,800
psychopath character who gaslights the female protagonist does the same

1447
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,800
thing once it keep control over her by manipulating your

1448
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:16,279
relationships around her and carefully guarding that relationship and manipulates

1449
01:25:16,319 --> 01:25:19,720
those weaknesses and those you know, the natural human desire

1450
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,760
for the mother of father's love can just be hijacked

1451
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,760
and twisted into something manipulative.

1452
01:25:26,319 --> 01:25:30,279
Speaker 1: Right, So she instills in Marnie that hatred of men,

1453
01:25:30,399 --> 01:25:33,359
which is kind of just this sort of feminism was

1454
01:25:33,399 --> 01:25:36,359
kind of getting the third wave feminism was starting to

1455
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:38,800
kick off around this time period by the fact that

1456
01:25:39,239 --> 01:25:46,199
Abby Rockefeller funded it. By the way, there is the

1457
01:25:46,279 --> 01:25:48,680
first thing that we start to notice is that Marnie

1458
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:53,800
is easily triggered. She's triggered specifically by colors, and not

1459
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,439
just colors we will find out there's other triggers as well,

1460
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,760
but the Sean Connery character will start to piece this

1461
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:03,399
together over time. But this is something that is relevant

1462
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:07,760
to psychoanalysis, both Freudy and I guess and and other

1463
01:26:08,359 --> 01:26:11,840
uh psycho babble guys, is that they've they came up

1464
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,840
with theories about what they call erotic crystallization, which is

1465
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,920
where anytime that you were at a young stage of

1466
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,079
development or whatever, maybe when you're starting to have puberty

1467
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:25,920
and you you start to associate whatever was around you.

1468
01:26:26,079 --> 01:26:27,680
You know at the time that you began puberty, right,

1469
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,359
you maybe you had puberty and you saw women's shoes, right,

1470
01:26:30,399 --> 01:26:32,600
so you have a foot fetish or shoe fetter something

1471
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,079
like this. This is this goes into how they analyze

1472
01:26:35,079 --> 01:26:37,640
a lot of serial killers and always got an obsession

1473
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,520
with women's clothes, and that's probably because of you know,

1474
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:42,279
if he was abused at a certain point when he

1475
01:26:42,359 --> 01:26:45,680
was young, and the abuser was, I don't know, wearing pantyhose,

1476
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:49,560
you know, so they these are social Yeah, you.

1477
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 3: Become hyper in those moments or something crazy and traumatic happens,

1478
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,520
whether it's a car accident, right, or if you were

1479
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,720
robbed or you know, you're you see some violent act,

1480
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,880
you're involved in a violent ac act or rape, raped,

1481
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:07,479
or abused. At that time, you become super hyper aware

1482
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,359
of your environment. You become things kind of slow down

1483
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,520
in those crazy moments, right with adrenaline and all the

1484
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,680
stress hormones, time seems to kind of dilate, and we

1485
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,520
become hyper aware of our environment. And in those in

1486
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:25,800
those traumatic situations, people can even become so traumatized that

1487
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,920
they in order to deal with that trauma, kind of

1488
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:31,720
take on a new personality, right, meant to new narratives

1489
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:32,359
exactly right.

1490
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 1: The brain seems to to fracture in order to safeguard

1491
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:41,000
the core personality. And that's where you get this radical fracturing.

1492
01:27:41,039 --> 01:27:42,359
By the way, somebody in the chat said that when

1493
01:27:42,359 --> 01:27:48,279
you were in the shower, you were grosslighting gross, And

1494
01:27:48,319 --> 01:27:50,520
I was thinking your dad would be, like Sormon if

1495
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,800
you had that big, that big Gandolf pipe. And remember

1496
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:58,359
the line where Sarmon says to Gandalf, is your love

1497
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:02,000
of the haffling leaf has out of Joe Martin. Yes,

1498
01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:06,199
that's what your dad said to you. And when you

1499
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:07,960
got out of the shower, he's like, your your love

1500
01:28:08,079 --> 01:28:12,439
is happening. Your dad's like your dad's dressed like somn

1501
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,119
he's got like a big wizard's robe.

1502
01:28:16,399 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely, uh.

1503
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,199
Speaker 1: I just I couldn't pass up the comment in the chat.

1504
01:28:24,279 --> 01:28:31,159
There yes, another interesting element I'm sure you caught this too,

1505
01:28:31,399 --> 01:28:38,960
was that when we introduced the the character of Sean Connery,

1506
01:28:39,199 --> 01:28:45,439
he has this fascination with breaking wild animals. Marty is

1507
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:46,600
the wild animal.

1508
01:28:46,399 --> 01:29:01,520
Speaker 3: Right, must come now here, sloppy around the bit money,

1509
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,520
slappy around for you.

1510
01:29:04,119 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: So he tames the shrew exactly. He is obsessed with zoology.

1511
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,119
I think he's a publisher or something, but he studies

1512
01:29:13,159 --> 01:29:16,880
the instincts of predators. And then there's a specific analogy

1513
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:21,359
between Marnie's love for horses and breaking horses, breaking in

1514
01:29:21,399 --> 01:29:23,960
a horse. This goes back to Plato. One of the

1515
01:29:24,039 --> 01:29:27,439
famous analogies of Platonism is that Plato says that the

1516
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:32,600
reasoning faculties have to tame the body's passions that are

1517
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,439
kind of uncontrollable. He says, they're like a charioteer with

1518
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,199
these horses that are going crazy, and it's like breaking

1519
01:29:39,279 --> 01:29:42,600
a horse in to tame those passions. Marnie is this

1520
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:46,039
force of nature. She's out of control. She's totally controlled

1521
01:29:46,079 --> 01:29:49,039
by her passions to the point that she seems to

1522
01:29:49,119 --> 01:29:52,520
even go into these alternate states. So she when she

1523
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:56,960
gets triggered, I mean the red red makes her upset,

1524
01:29:57,039 --> 01:29:58,840
and she knows to like get rid of anything red.

1525
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,199
She'll get rid of clothing, you'll get rid of polka

1526
01:30:01,239 --> 01:30:04,199
dot the you know, uh that she can't look at

1527
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:07,000
the jockey who has red polka dots on his suit,

1528
01:30:07,399 --> 01:30:09,399
she can't look at the flowers that are red. But

1529
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,279
when the lightning comes, that's when she goes into the

1530
01:30:12,359 --> 01:30:16,159
catatonic state, and she like, you know, she goes into

1531
01:30:16,199 --> 01:30:16,840
this other thing.

1532
01:30:17,039 --> 01:30:19,600
Speaker 3: Right it was it thunder or lightning? Was it both?

1533
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: It was the storm basically m yeah.

1534
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:26,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, So physical triggers just putting her into this almost

1535
01:30:26,079 --> 01:30:28,600
catatonic state. And this is one of the probably one

1536
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,319
of the first films that really explored that like trigger

1537
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,560
getting you know, triggered into a the psychological state, you know,

1538
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:38,119
trauma and triggering an MPD. It's probably one of the

1539
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:39,880
earlier films.

1540
01:30:40,079 --> 01:30:42,680
Speaker 1: It is one of the uh it's in oh, I

1541
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:48,520
forgot the Hitchcock film with there's one earlier that we did.

1542
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,920
It's in my book, and it uses the surrealist art

1543
01:30:52,199 --> 01:30:58,680
of uh Dolly. Somebody in the chat will know what's

1544
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:04,000
the older It's it's actually the Hitchcock film just about

1545
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:09,119
alternate identities. But there's a psychiatrist who's studying this. It

1546
01:31:09,279 --> 01:31:13,239
is older. But you're right, this was pretty new to

1547
01:31:13,319 --> 01:31:17,399
the scene. Spell Bound, that's it. Spellbound is an earlier

1548
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:18,119
Hitchcock film.

1549
01:31:19,159 --> 01:31:21,039
Speaker 3: It's interesting that this was when was this film nineteen

1550
01:31:21,079 --> 01:31:23,279
sixty four or sixty.

1551
01:31:23,039 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 1: Three, and I think Spellbound is forties, So.

1552
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 3: This is right at the like the height of mk Ultra, right, M.

1553
01:31:31,039 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: Kiltra is kicking in pretty heavy right around this time.

1554
01:31:34,039 --> 01:31:40,479
You're absolutely right, and Hitchcock was working with like British intelligence,

1555
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:45,600
probably elements of American intelligence as well. But keep in

1556
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:49,039
mind that north By Northwest is the first film, one

1557
01:31:49,039 --> 01:31:51,920
of the first films notorious, and north By Northwest or

1558
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:56,239
the first to mention OSS and CIA there are I

1559
01:31:56,279 --> 01:31:58,079
think there's one reference before.

1560
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:00,159
Speaker 3: Those too.

1561
01:32:00,319 --> 01:32:03,039
Speaker 1: But I mean again, Hitchcock has to be in the

1562
01:32:03,159 --> 01:32:05,520
know because you know, you watched north By Northwest and

1563
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,079
he's talking about this. No one knew what the CIA

1564
01:32:07,279 --> 01:32:08,960
was when North Northwest came out.

1565
01:32:09,399 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 3: Because Sean Connery's character kind of seems like this. He

1566
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:15,840
basically is playing kind of a spy or like a

1567
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:19,760
film noir detective. But right, but a different version of

1568
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,199
it looks slightly it's just a slight twist on the

1569
01:32:22,279 --> 01:32:25,640
film noir detective character. Is Coy's role film.

1570
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 1: Yes, he's functioning like a so spellbound? Was Gregory Peck?

1571
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:37,039
And was that?

1572
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:37,560
Speaker 3: Is that?

1573
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,159
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong? But isn't that? Yeah, that's Hitchcock. Yeah,

1574
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:47,159
it's Gregory Peck is playing a hospital director, doctor Constant

1575
01:32:47,399 --> 01:32:55,439
Peterson ingrid Bergman, a psychoanalyst discovers Edwards is actually an

1576
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:58,319
imposter and they can't figure out why this is happening.

1577
01:32:58,359 --> 01:33:00,840
But it's because he's got alternate identities. He's slipping into

1578
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:08,199
his alternate state anyway. Also interesting, Uh. He notices that

1579
01:33:08,319 --> 01:33:11,520
Marnie when she's she has these nightmares because the memories

1580
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,760
are bubbling up in the dream state. This is the

1581
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,119
young Yon element here. This is why young will focus

1582
01:33:16,199 --> 01:33:19,960
on dream analysis is because he thinks that the truths

1583
01:33:20,039 --> 01:33:22,119
right will be you know, will come to the four

1584
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:26,399
in in in dream analysis from the from the subconscious

1585
01:33:27,159 --> 01:33:28,920
m m hm yeah.

1586
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:30,199
Speaker 3: And then the whole film kind of has like a

1587
01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:35,039
psycho and analytic totally. Connery is essentially her her analyst,

1588
01:33:35,239 --> 01:33:37,319
helping to cycle analyze her to free her from the

1589
01:33:37,359 --> 01:33:42,319
shackles of her previous trauma. But a spoiler alert, psychoanalysis

1590
01:33:42,359 --> 01:33:45,239
doesn't free anybody from trauma. Really, it just rearrays the

1591
01:33:45,279 --> 01:33:45,640
deck chair.

1592
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:49,560
Speaker 1: It just forces the person to confront the suppressed event.

1593
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:54,479
Like if there was a trauma event that was suppressed

1594
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:59,520
and put into you could say, a compartmentalized alternate persona

1595
01:34:00,039 --> 01:34:03,039
in the mind, stored away like a hidden file in

1596
01:34:03,079 --> 01:34:04,119
the computer, you could.

1597
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,399
Speaker 3: Say, yeah, access to the file.

1598
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:08,520
Speaker 1: But then what all this kind of stuff can do,

1599
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:13,159
right is through through understanding the triggers, access whatever the

1600
01:34:13,239 --> 01:34:21,039
event was. And so eventually Sean Connery, Uh, by the way,

1601
01:34:21,039 --> 01:34:24,079
it's interesting that she was she's really into horses because

1602
01:34:24,119 --> 01:34:28,159
autistic children, for whatever reason, seemed to do well with horses.

1603
01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:29,840
I don't know if there was any connection there or

1604
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,279
known connection, but that was just an may have just

1605
01:34:32,359 --> 01:34:34,720
been the breaking breaking of the wild horse idea.

1606
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 3: But a lot of people who are traumatized, they do

1607
01:34:37,119 --> 01:34:40,359
tend to really relate with animals, right, They've been really

1608
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:44,239
hurt by people and animals seem a lot more safe,

1609
01:34:44,359 --> 01:34:46,159
and you know, they're like a safe haven for them.

1610
01:34:46,279 --> 01:34:49,239
So it's it's kind of a cultural meme that you

1611
01:34:49,359 --> 01:34:53,560
see is look at all these cat moms and stuff

1612
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:53,680
like that.

1613
01:34:54,039 --> 01:34:59,199
Speaker 1: Exactly right. She apparently attempted suicide at one point, after

1614
01:34:59,359 --> 01:35:06,319
presumably intimacy. The coetis that triggers her as as Sean

1615
01:35:06,399 --> 01:35:08,199
Connery spends more and more time with her, he starts

1616
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:12,079
to figure out what's really going on. There's a book

1617
01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:15,800
at one point, he's reading Sexual Aberrations of the Criminal Female,

1618
01:35:17,079 --> 01:35:19,399
which is an interesting book. Another point, he's reading a

1619
01:35:19,399 --> 01:35:22,840
book about wild sea creatures, and so he just keeps

1620
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,520
trying to study nature to figure out what's going on

1621
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:28,960
with her. And he combines that with the Youngian psychoanalysis,

1622
01:35:29,119 --> 01:35:31,560
which is when he says he tells her, why don't

1623
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:34,279
you read Crawl Young's Undiscovered Self, And she's like, I

1624
01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:36,960
don't want to read that. I'm not reading that. He

1625
01:35:37,079 --> 01:35:40,159
seems to have. Jamie thinks he has a Messiah complex

1626
01:35:40,239 --> 01:35:43,000
that he feels like he can save her for sure.

1627
01:35:43,039 --> 01:35:45,079
Speaker 3: I agree, yeah, And it starts from the beginning, right,

1628
01:35:45,159 --> 01:35:48,000
like he wants to he wants to tame the wild beasts,

1629
01:35:48,079 --> 01:35:52,439
and he he has this kind of predatory way of

1630
01:35:53,079 --> 01:35:55,039
quarnering her, right, and the way that he marries her,

1631
01:35:55,079 --> 01:35:58,199
he blackmails her to marry again, right, he catches her stealings,

1632
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,359
He catches her, he calls out her grift and then

1633
01:36:01,399 --> 01:36:03,640
he says, many, either I'm not going to turn you in,

1634
01:36:04,119 --> 01:36:06,319
you're going to marry me, right, so he used he

1635
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:11,359
schemes her. Yeah, his schemes are into marrying him. And Okay,

1636
01:36:11,399 --> 01:36:13,359
we're supposed to believe that he really does love her.

1637
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:15,439
I guess, but he you know, maybe I guess he

1638
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:17,600
kind of does have this complex and he does.

1639
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:21,279
Speaker 1: He does like her, but I think that she the

1640
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:26,760
movies presentation is that she will never be satisfied until

1641
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,760
she finds a male that's dominant. Because she's smarter and

1642
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,279
more clever and out winning everyone around her.

1643
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 3: Someone needs to beat her at her own her own

1644
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,920
game exactly. Yeah, So that then that is what he does, right,

1645
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,199
He beats her her game. He marries her. But that's

1646
01:36:41,239 --> 01:36:42,840
in like the first third of the film, isn't it,

1647
01:36:43,159 --> 01:36:46,760
the first act? Very early on, and then after after

1648
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,159
that things kind of he starts to realize that she's

1649
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:53,439
more damaged perhaps than he than he originally thought. And

1650
01:36:54,399 --> 01:36:56,479
what do you what do you make of the the

1651
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:58,479
most controversial scene in the film, And it seems to

1652
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:01,880
be like the if you search Marnie and you look

1653
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,880
at some of the articles, they focus on the sex

1654
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,479
act in the film, which isn't I don't remember it

1655
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,520
being too raunchy. I don't remember it being too explicit,

1656
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:12,479
and I don't remember it being violent at all. But

1657
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:15,039
the way that a lot of people are writing about

1658
01:37:15,039 --> 01:37:19,079
this scene is that they say Sean Connery basically the

1659
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:24,720
riped her. They say he he sexually assaulted her. And

1660
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,520
they say that this film is about like rape culture

1661
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:28,119
and stuff like that.

1662
01:37:28,359 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 1: But that's social justice thing. I mean, they'll say that

1663
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,159
about anything. They'll said that about any old movie, that

1664
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:34,119
it's all rape.

1665
01:37:35,239 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 3: Because there's a scene where Sean Connery like they're married

1666
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,119
and they go on there on a cruise or something, oh.

1667
01:37:40,119 --> 01:37:42,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's like, she's like, I don't want intimacy,

1668
01:37:42,279 --> 01:37:43,199
and he's like I do.

1669
01:37:43,279 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 4: Want her to missure yeah, and then and she kind

1670
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:47,439
of like freezes up a little bit, and then it's

1671
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:51,119
like he's kissing her and she's like kind of kissing back,

1672
01:37:51,359 --> 01:37:55,319
but staring off blankly into space and then and if

1673
01:37:55,359 --> 01:37:57,720
you I swear, the tons of articles about like this

1674
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:01,439
is toxic masculinity, Sean, this is all about like this

1675
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:04,159
man of using this woman. I just thought that was

1676
01:38:04,199 --> 01:38:06,760
a really funny interpretation because I didn't. It just seemed

1677
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,720
to me it's like she's so disconnected from inacy people.

1678
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:14,279
Speaker 1: They're asking about, what's the connection between Hitchcock and Mkultra. Well,

1679
01:38:14,319 --> 01:38:16,359
if you read esther Hollywood one and two, I go

1680
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:18,640
into that and the various connections that he had to

1681
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:22,600
intelligence agencies. They did look at and study the reactions

1682
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:25,479
of crowds to movies like Psycho because it's the first

1683
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:30,079
slasher movie. Whether he was directly doing akulture, I don't

1684
01:38:30,119 --> 01:38:32,079
think there's necessarily and there could be evidence of that.

1685
01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:34,640
I've not seen any direct evidence that per se, but

1686
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:38,279
it's entirely possible. New evidence of this kind of stuff

1687
01:38:38,319 --> 01:38:40,760
turns up all the time. Who knows. But I would say,

1688
01:38:41,239 --> 01:38:46,600
you could look at my book and then just go

1689
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,079
and walk, because again, this stuff was the rage at

1690
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:52,840
the time, right, so the the psychoanalysis stuff. At the

1691
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:56,880
same time as seemingly Hitchcock is aware of the kind

1692
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:01,039
of alternate personality MPD D id study that were going on?

1693
01:39:01,239 --> 01:39:03,960
If he's if he did Spellbound back in the forties,

1694
01:39:04,079 --> 01:39:06,399
then he knew what was going on to some some degree.

1695
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:09,880
You know, he's got false flag type stuff in his movie.

1696
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:12,880
So so Hitchcock knew what was going on to a

1697
01:39:13,159 --> 01:39:15,239
large degree in terms of how the world really works.

1698
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 3: Well, how about like just you know, all the Lookout

1699
01:39:19,079 --> 01:39:20,880
Mountain and all this stuff that was going on, the

1700
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:26,279
Defense Department's involvement in Hollywood films, heavy involvement, So there

1701
01:39:26,319 --> 01:39:29,079
were you showed this in your work there. You can't

1702
01:39:29,159 --> 01:39:35,520
divorce psychological, psychological operations, Defense Department, War Department what it was.

1703
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:40,279
Speaker 1: I guess, Yeah, Hitchcock did war propaganda films literally for

1704
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:41,880
the British Ministry of Defense.

1705
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,279
Speaker 3: That was one of any films at Did you do

1706
01:39:44,319 --> 01:39:45,560
any films at Lookout Mountain?

1707
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:51,039
Speaker 1: Has that been everywhere? Well, Dave? Dave mentioned the directors

1708
01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:55,600
that did have full access to Winterland look At Mountain studios,

1709
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,159
and I can't remember if I know Walt Disney has

1710
01:39:58,239 --> 01:40:00,640
mentioned as one of the directors with the other big

1711
01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:03,640
maybe Hitchcock at the time, I would not be surprised,

1712
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:06,680
but I can't recall, I can check out.

1713
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:11,520
Speaker 3: The title of this article, Martie Hitchcock's controversial exploration of

1714
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:14,840
sexual violence and the complexity of a human psyche. I

1715
01:40:15,359 --> 01:40:17,359
saw this article after I saw the films, like, wait,

1716
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:21,439
sexual violence, Where's the sexual violence in this film? It's

1717
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:23,479
it's just interesting how it's how it's changed. I'm not

1718
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:26,039
sure how it was interpreted back then, but when I

1719
01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:28,159
when I watched it, I didn't interpret there being any

1720
01:40:28,199 --> 01:40:30,800
sexual violence in the film. There was the scene where

1721
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:34,640
you know, she was a little dissociative and he proceeded

1722
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:37,159
to make love to the short Culvale.

1723
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you watch that movie, which I don't really

1724
01:40:40,399 --> 01:40:45,600
I'm not sure I believe. But the Anthony Hopkins movie

1725
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:47,640
from a few years ago, where he played Hitchcock, it's

1726
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:50,039
a it's a pretty good movie. I don't know how

1727
01:40:50,119 --> 01:40:53,680
accurate it is, but I mean in the movie, they

1728
01:40:53,760 --> 01:41:03,039
portray Hitchcock like he enjoyed traumatizing Tippy Hedron. So supposedly he,

1729
01:41:03,279 --> 01:41:05,520
you know, would would really try to freak the actresses

1730
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:07,840
out because he got off on that. Who knows, I

1731
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,720
don't know if that's true or not, but that that

1732
01:41:11,039 --> 01:41:15,479
Anthony Hopkins plays Hitchcock pretty awesomely in that that movie

1733
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:16,279
portrayal of Hitch.

1734
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:18,239
Speaker 3: Looks like a weird man. He does look like a

1735
01:41:18,319 --> 01:41:19,560
weird I.

1736
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:23,199
Speaker 1: Mean he he said he was like obsessed with Tippy

1737
01:41:23,239 --> 01:41:26,439
Hedron's beehive and her blonde be like he had some

1738
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:30,439
kind of weird obsession of her blonde be but uh,

1739
01:41:31,079 --> 01:41:36,760
but yeah. Eventually, Marnie is constantly triggered. I mean, she's

1740
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:39,119
like starting to she's starting to break down, right, Like

1741
01:41:39,319 --> 01:41:42,119
everything's triggering her. Stacks of cash, you know, making it

1742
01:41:42,239 --> 01:41:44,920
rain stacks of cash trigger her. The horrorse triggers her.

1743
01:41:45,239 --> 01:41:51,880
Everything triggers Marnie, and so eventually, uh, Sean Connery figures out,

1744
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:53,760
all right, we got to take her back to uncover

1745
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:57,800
these repressed memories. Right, There's something is going on. He

1746
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:01,920
takes her back to mom's house, and because it keeps

1747
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:05,640
relating back to the mom and he there's this huge

1748
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:10,840
dramatic confrontation. Marnie goes into her child Alter starts talking

1749
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:13,159
like a kid. The Mom's trying to shut it all down,

1750
01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:15,439
and I don't want to talk to you. We can't

1751
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:19,039
get out of my house, and then he immediately knocks.

1752
01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:22,920
He keeps doing the triggers on purpose so that Marnie

1753
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:25,680
will spill what's going on as the child alter and

1754
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,159
she does, and we come to find out. It's not

1755
01:42:30,399 --> 01:42:32,319
clear in the movie because I don't think that they

1756
01:42:32,399 --> 01:42:35,119
could make that clear. But obviously it's implying that she

1757
01:42:35,279 --> 01:42:38,239
was molested by her mom was a prostitute, and one

1758
01:42:38,279 --> 01:42:40,399
of the guys, the sailor, molested Marnie.

1759
01:42:41,159 --> 01:42:45,079
Speaker 3: That's why these physically abused are violently abused are probably included.

1760
01:42:45,399 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 1: Well, no, it says I don't like him kissing on

1761
01:42:48,079 --> 01:42:52,640
me mom, that's implying that a molested her.

1762
01:42:53,159 --> 01:42:54,840
Speaker 3: I must have missed that line. I must have been

1763
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:57,560
tired at the end of it. Yeah, the scene where

1764
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:59,439
this was all revealed was kind of funny too. Like

1765
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:02,960
it it did get it did. The direction and the

1766
01:43:03,119 --> 01:43:06,159
editing I think kind of deteriorated for that scene where

1767
01:43:06,199 --> 01:43:07,880
it was like where she's breaking down, It got a

1768
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:10,760
little hokey there, but it's.

1769
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:15,239
Speaker 1: It's much like the breakdown sequences in Vertigo. There's a

1770
01:43:15,279 --> 01:43:18,680
really similar sequence there with Jimmy Stewart and Vertigo. That's

1771
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:24,039
pretty funny. But yeah, and the reason she's sugared by

1772
01:43:24,119 --> 01:43:27,439
Red is that her mom grabbed a fire place poker

1773
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:30,840
and beat the navy dude until he was bleeding, and like.

1774
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:33,279
Speaker 11: All Sean Connery had to do was like like get

1775
01:43:33,319 --> 01:43:36,640
in her face, Martie, tell me where you are described

1776
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:41,520
the she that's you're crashing too, and you start dictates

1777
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:43,640
it all and it's like it was kind of corny,

1778
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:45,720
how just like all of a sudden, the floodgates open

1779
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:49,600
and she like automatically dictates the I thought that was

1780
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:50,479
kind of it was.

1781
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 3: Well directed until that point. And that's a really hard

1782
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:55,159
thing to get across. So you can't can't can't blame

1783
01:43:55,239 --> 01:43:57,960
Hitchcock too much. It was a hard scene too well.

1784
01:43:58,199 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 1: And so the in conclusion then it's there's also an

1785
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:04,079
element of generational trauma here, right, So even though this

1786
01:44:04,199 --> 01:44:06,880
is not a situation of like satanic elite families that

1787
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:11,199
keep the drama the trauma going, it's implied that's the

1788
01:44:11,239 --> 01:44:14,039
same principle there of generational trauma because the mom then

1789
01:44:14,119 --> 01:44:16,439
sits down and tells her sob story of how she

1790
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:19,680
was I don't know, raped or something or the guy

1791
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,560
ran off, and that's where Marnie comes from. And Marnie

1792
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:24,600
never knew her father, and so since there was no

1793
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:29,319
father figure. The redneck mom is like, well, I ain't

1794
01:44:29,359 --> 01:44:31,600
never had nothing of my own, and so I always

1795
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:34,159
just wanted to make sure that I had my Marnie,

1796
01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:36,359
And so she didn't want Marnie to ever move on

1797
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:39,479
to find a husband, and so she instilled in Marnie

1798
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:43,840
that men are just evil psychopaths. So it was all

1799
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,960
this this perpetuating generational cycle.

1800
01:44:48,199 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and yeah, what about Sean Connery's character, You know,

1801
01:44:53,159 --> 01:44:54,640
where does he fit in that? Because he seems like

1802
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:56,600
he kind of I don't know, he was kind of

1803
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:58,760
predatory in the way that he came about You know,

1804
01:44:59,239 --> 01:45:01,399
what do you want to call it? Marrying Marty and

1805
01:45:02,039 --> 01:45:02,279
all this?

1806
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:05,239
Speaker 1: You know, he definitely I mean, you wouldn't marry a

1807
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:08,720
completely psychotic woman. It's just kind of like who would.

1808
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 3: Right, Like you find the most screwed up woman that right, right,

1809
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:15,720
the most crazy, manipulative, screwed up woman, thieving, conniving woman

1810
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:18,399
who's lying to everybody like I want to marry you

1811
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,199
just didn't.

1812
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 1: Make well, he's a rich guy who is interested in

1813
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:28,279
these psychological adventures, right, I mean, this is a element

1814
01:45:28,319 --> 01:45:31,000
of it. No rich guy would be this like goofy

1815
01:45:31,079 --> 01:45:32,600
and stupid, But they.

1816
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:35,039
Speaker 3: Should have made Sean Connery like this, you know, like

1817
01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:38,479
an intelligence agency cult leader or something, and he tries

1818
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:41,159
to bring her into his hair, so you know, blackmail

1819
01:45:41,239 --> 01:45:43,079
politicians or something that would.

1820
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:46,079
Speaker 1: Have been I'll tell you if you want a Hitchcock

1821
01:45:46,119 --> 01:45:49,640
movie that's almost like that is if you watch Notorious,

1822
01:45:50,399 --> 01:45:54,840
Ingrid bergman gets roped into being a sexual spy and

1823
01:45:55,079 --> 01:45:58,319
her handler, I think it's Kerry Grant. He manipulates her

1824
01:45:58,439 --> 01:45:58,600
like that.

1825
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:01,600
Speaker 3: So Carry Grant, I mean, he's kind of central in

1826
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:03,800
the whole MK ultra thing too, because he was getting

1827
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:07,039
dosed up with LSD. Was he was taking more acid

1828
01:46:07,079 --> 01:46:09,800
than anyone and he was a mess like but it did.

1829
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:12,960
He's he attributed a lot of psychological healing to LSD.

1830
01:46:13,159 --> 01:46:15,520
But then when you look at his biography, this dude

1831
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:18,079
was an abusive, psychotic madness.

1832
01:46:18,119 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of weird stuff going on with Carry Grant,

1833
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:22,680
for sure, And I think even that even comes up

1834
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:27,039
in it's even hinted at in the the Cole McLaughlin

1835
01:46:27,079 --> 01:46:29,079
plays him in a movie about Carry Grant. That's that

1836
01:46:29,199 --> 01:46:30,319
even is hinted at there.

1837
01:46:30,359 --> 01:46:32,119
Speaker 3: But Howard Cloughlin's funny.

1838
01:46:32,279 --> 01:46:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays in perfect It's pretty wild how much

1839
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:37,239
they I mean, he like literally becomes carry Grant's kind

1840
01:46:37,239 --> 01:46:40,920
of creepy. But I highly recommend, by the way, Tristan,

1841
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:44,680
if you've not now when you especially with what's going

1842
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:49,119
on in the toxic culture nowadays, you know, Caitlyn Jenner

1843
01:46:49,319 --> 01:46:56,399
level stuff, go watch Psycho because, uh, Norman Bates is

1844
01:46:56,479 --> 01:47:02,720
also a multiple personality. Uh and the the alternate personality

1845
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:06,439
is the crazy mom. It's it's wild to go watch

1846
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:06,920
this now.

1847
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:09,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to go. But I think I saw,

1848
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:12,319
like back in the day, the remake of Psycho with

1849
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:13,439
what's I.

1850
01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 1: Mean, trust me now with what we know now about

1851
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:20,960
like like alternate personalities and trauma, mind control and k ultra,

1852
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:24,039
And now that we know that Hitchcock, if not if

1853
01:47:24,159 --> 01:47:26,359
not being involved in it, at least had like insight

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into all this going on. Now when you watch his movies,

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it's like, whoa dude, there's actually like Psycho is telling

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you more than that, Vertigo is telling you more than that.

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They all have this theme. It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Did didn't Hitchcock direct Zoolander? No, I'm just kidding, But

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that's that's another another theme, like a modern theme. With

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a lot of the you know, MPD uh type themes.

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I'm trying to think of other films that have that

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same MPD stuff. A lot of superhero films.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a ton of like, you know, I mean,

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longst good Night conspiracy theory, Mel Gibson Captain America, Winter Soldier,

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Resident Evil. I mean, you can go down the Ventchuring Candidate.

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I mean, there's a whole bunch of like just a

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slew of m klter themed movies. But yeah, this Hitchcock

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kicks it all.

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Speaker 3: The Vanchurian Candidate. The same actor who plays MPD Norman

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Bates in the reboot of Psycho plays the Venturian candidate

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in the reboot of The Venturian Candidate.

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Speaker 1: Mmmm. Interesting. Let's take a few super chats here. We

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got a few people who subscribed. I don't really know

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what it means when people subscribe on stream labs, but

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I guess thank you one dollar by Rebucus Rebuke Satan.

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He says I made a Doctor Gregor imitation on my

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Omnivore games channel. Is only one minute long, but enjoy

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the laugh and thank you for the inspiration. We'll thank you,

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Rebuke Satan. Will definitely check out that. Uh so Tristan

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if you want to look at rebuke Satan three one six.

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He says his YouTube channel has a funny imitation of

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doctor Gregor, so I'm sure check that out here.

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Speaker 3: He said, it's a The YouTube channel was Omnivore games.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm gonna ask you lie from my treadmillton Doctor

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Michael CB sins two dollars and he says, ja dizzle

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in the hiszel. Yes, thank you, David Drill for ten

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dollars here, j go buy a compressor. Has the audio

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been bad today? I thought the audio was done pretty decent.

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We know we had some glitches, but thought I thought

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my audio is pretty ironed out. Maybe not Jack three dollars,

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he says, can you do an impression of Oprah? I

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can't do impressions of girls? Dude, I'm not a girl.

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Speaker 3: You kicked YouTube were doing blackface.

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Speaker 1: What's called testosterone? I don't have. I don't have the

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estrogens so genes.

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Speaker 3: Well, there is another another thing you mentioned gaslighting earlier.

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We're being told that because of the terrible uh the sickness,

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you're going to get the sickness like like disturbed if

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you don't want to get down with the sickness, you

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should take estrogen replacement.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right there they telling you that. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And at the same time, the vegan diet, right, you

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need a vegan diet.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well because that it's because we need animals.

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That people are war zone, literal.

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Speaker 1: War zone, because it's all from eating bats meat meat.

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Speaker 3: But you also you get told that toxic masculinity is

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kind of the root of a lot of this too,

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because people are refusing to wear masks, right, the toxically

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masculine people are refusing to wear their muzzles. And another way,

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the World Economic Forum and I retweeted this the other day.

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World Economic Forum the other day had a tweet it

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said well being, global well being went down, and they

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showed a little graph with lines on it. Global well

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being decreased during the COVID crisis, but improved during lockdown.

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So there's like straighten it, well being decreased during whatever

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the crisis, but improved during the lockdown. So as people

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are seeing the suicide rates go crazy, people are seeing

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you know.

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Speaker 1: This is a good thing about underdetermination of data and

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conflicting stats. So people are oh, just.

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Speaker 6: Look at the studies just look at the studies, look

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at the data.

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Speaker 1: Like what you do when there's conflicting data and stats.

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There's no a right thing that tells you what to do.

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Speaker 3: The experts do. You got to listen to the pope.

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Speaker 1: So what do we do when the experts disagree? Oh well,

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you just follow whatever the majority experts are said to say,

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which is all nonsense.

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Speaker 3: But it's just whatever whatever the you know may establishment

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tells you exactly.

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Speaker 1: JPB three three three ten dollars. If you have not

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watched Beyonce's Black Is King, you should check it out. Actually,

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Isaac already beat us to it. He covered it. I

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heard a little bit of Isaac's analysis. Shout out to

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Isaac over his channel. We just did a great interview

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with Isaac on Marjorie Cameron, Crowley, Kenneth Anger, and Jack Parsons.

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Go listen to that interview if you guys missed it,

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it was a good show. But I think Jamie is

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also doing an analysis because in her book she's got

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chapters on Queen Bee. If you want to see her

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Beyonce analysis, which, by the way, I've added to the

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Jays Analysis shop. Both the individual quickly lectures. If you

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01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:44,439
just want to listen to my Tragy Hope lectures, you

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01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:47,319
can now go buy those as a download in the

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Jays and Elysis shop. If you don't want that recurring

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01:52:50,119 --> 01:52:52,680
subscription fee at Jays Analysis, you say, I just want

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your quickly research, which tens of thousands of people have

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already enjoyed, then you can go purchase that both free

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paths and the paid halfs for a one time fee

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of twenty dollars. And I'll be adding a few other

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courses to the shop where you can buy the downloads

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to the Plato talks and that kind of stuff, the

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01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:15,880
Genesis talks if you just want that and not the

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01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:18,159
recurring subscription because some people have asked for that over

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the years. Now we're doing that for you guys. And yes,

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Jamie will be doing it Beyonce Talk and her first

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book is now in the shop as well. Cowo U

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for twenty two dollars, he says, keep it coming, you

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bet we will. By the way, after the stream in

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a little bit, I will be doing the Medieval Colts

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and Heresy stream that I planned to do last night,

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but I couldn't get YouTube to do right with linking

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it with OBS, so I'll be doing that in the

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next hour or two. I'm not trying to cut in

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on anybody's streams.

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Speaker 3: So dang jay double streaming two streams in one day.

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I haven't even done a stream of two weeks. You

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can do two in one day.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's what happens when you get owned

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01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:01,520
as a gas lighter, and is that you flee. You

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flee to your to the to the closet in your

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mud igloot closet.

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of why do people keep telling

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me I'm in a closet? I don't get it? Like,

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what is this my whole life?

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Speaker 1: People just don't even know.

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Speaker 3: I don't get like people always telling me I'm living

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in a closet. I don't like, come out of the closet, Like,

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what is that?

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Speaker 1: Even Christian's in that closet, He's he's hunkered down, huffing

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that we that he's doing that gas lighting in that

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big gandolf pipe. He's got that gosli like he's doing that.

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Speaker 3: Grass lighting hit a gassliking there's a there's a funny

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cliff I had at the end of a recent edit

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of This Lady. She's a social psychologist and a lecturer

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in the UK, and she's also a She runs a

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vegan activist channel, which by activist I mean she makes

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vegan YouTube drama gras By by vegan activism. She does

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critique videos of my videos. That's her activism. But she

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did this video or she's talking about.

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Speaker 12: If the con is the join to go light you

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and they've tried to befriend you, they've tried to pretend

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like they're your friends, and they'll tell you that the veganism,

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the ideas of veganism is wrong. And telling a vegan

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that they've been brainwashed, that's gaslighted.

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Speaker 3: That's one of my favorite clips of these these vegans

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that I've put in my little compilations is is that

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one social psychologist, Michelle Low gaslighting her audience, telling the

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audience that they're being gaslighted by non vegans. Classic classic.

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Speaker 1: Well, everybody, be sure and follow Tristan. I've got his

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link in the show description over at primal Ledge Health.

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If you don't already follow him, be sure and get

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01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:42,000
the Carnivore Cookbook and you can subscribe to his material

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01:55:42,079 --> 01:55:44,039
over there. Get in his discord if you want to,

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01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:46,520
and do the coaching and all that anything else you

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want to direct people to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm good man. You guys make sure to

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01:55:51,359 --> 01:55:55,000
check out Jay's only Fans and also his chattera pants

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on there yoga pants on OnlyFans is chatterbait is what

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is it? Based? Based Boomer based sweaty boomer is on

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the chatterbay.

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Speaker 1: Six six six is my profile.

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Speaker 3: No, but hey man, it's a I appreciate you having

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me on. It's been it's been a pleasure. We got

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we still have to do Utopia. I gotta I gotta.

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Speaker 1: Watch them one so I gotta get back to season two.

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Speaker 3: Season two starts with a bang the season. The first

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episode of season two is one of the better episodes

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of the series. I think because it's a little different.

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I think you'll like it, especially considering your your scholar

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and the work you've done over the years. It ties

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in with all that you dig it.

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Speaker 1: Cool beans, man, Thanks, have a good evening and I

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will talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah,