Speaker 1: Dire way. The scientific method cannot justify the scientific method.
Therefore itself, it is a dogmatical PSI presupposition.
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stop stop stop spens in a still steps stop.
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Speaker 1: S s S. The Brazenski model, the techno craft model,
is much more interested in the incremental, slow, killed Fabian
approach to bringing.
Speaker 5: The technocracy into being. So they're not gonna send the
Homeland security troops to round you up and put you
in a FEMA camp.
Speaker 1: They'd much rather promote everybody being in national video games,
the Disney.
Speaker 5: Gulag, the virtual reality gulag. All this kind of stuff
is in much better FEMA camp in your home.
Speaker 1: They don't need the FEMA camp.
Speaker 5: It's it's too messy, it's a big ordeal, and it's
all the nonsense of all.
Speaker 1: The patriot crap on the radio. That's not gonna happen.
They don't need to the shadow of the global government
is already here.
Speaker 5: And as we said, it's in the latter stages of
the mopping up process to move it.
Speaker 1: Into the next phase of HIGG between two pages of
the next page.
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Speaker 2: H m hmm.
Speaker 1: We're not live yet. Do you hear me? I can
hear you, Bob Sweet, there's not really any foundation anything
can come and go. What's up? What's up? How you doing?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: We're about to hit it. It's it's live now, hot mic,
it's my hair beautiful as always.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I know you don't have to tell me.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how to fix this new issue
with Now there's two separate live streams running, so there's
I think there's a glitch in YouTube where it's when
you click to create a new stream, it's not creating
the new stream and it's running the same the previous stream.
Speaker 2: Key.
Speaker 1: So if anyone knows how to fix this question, that's
why there's two of the same stream running at once.
Somebody please let me know, because I have no idea.
I spent like a two or three hours googling it.
Other people had the same problem last night, for the
last couple of days, and I think it has to
do with YouTube updating this how you schedule a new stream,
it's all. It's all new so, or it could be
something with stream labs, because stream labs is kind of
doing its own thing too. So if anybody knows how
to fix that, please let me know, because it's really
annoying to have two of the same stream going at once,
but to.
Speaker 3: Go on the go on the back end of one
of the streams and change it to private.
Speaker 1: I know you can do that, but I'm afraid it's
going to make the other stream private, and.
Speaker 3: I meaning at once on the same channel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's doing it right now.
Speaker 3: Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 1: And I'm not the same person. I mean, I'm not
the only person that's had this problem. Other people have
this problem. All right, let me try putting it to.
Let me try that, but it may shut this stream
to private too. I guess then we'll know if I
do that. But let me try making one of those private.
Let's see what that does.
Speaker 3: YouTube is goslighting this lightness? You're being slighted, Jay Doyer.
Speaker 1: Have you ever tried making a stream private in the
middle of the stream. No, let's see what it does.
I will find out here, all right. Let's oh, we
already got some of them one dollar bills rolling in,
all right, it says that stream is private and this
one is public. Let's try it out like that. Anybody
in the chat, are you guys noticing a change? Is
the stream still going? I guess that way we can
figure out what's going on. If they can no longer
see it, then we'll know it's some kind of stream.
It's it's a bug with stream keys.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Let's make sure, can you guys?
Speaker 3: Someone said there's an echo? If I need to put
on headphones, let.
Speaker 1: Me know there's not an echo. You're set to multi
output device. There should there shouldn't be any echoing. Okay, good,
So we'll just leave that other stream as private and
it and then until YouTube fixes that, we'll just do
it this way. Cool beans. What's up, dude?
Speaker 3: Welcome back's u bro? Nice to see you, my friend?
Speaker 1: What I noticed? Where is my Tristan content? Where's it at? Dude?
Speaker 3: I've had like three weeks. I've taken a three week
YouTube hiatus.
Speaker 1: I can't do that. You can't do that.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 1: Miss me, dude. You can't live the YouTube creator lifestyle
and take a three week break. I know, right.
Speaker 3: You gotta be you gotta be constantly constantly grinding.
Speaker 1: There's going on, there's there are people gaining subscribers as
you run off playing in the woods, people are gaining
I'm starting to think Frank Traffano is legit, and maybe
kind of Tristan's not legit. No, that's kind of where
I'm leaning.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's everybody knows.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: Well, the problem there's a lot of problems with YouTube.
One of the problems with my YouTube channel is no
matter what it's like, it's actually not a This is
not just an excuse for my YouTube channel sucking. By
the way, for those of you listening, watching right now
who think my YouTube channel sucks, that may be true,
but YouTube basically cut me at one hundred and thirty
thousand subs and the channel is not allowed to grow
beyond that. Like, I get messages regularly from friends of
mine and people who've watched my channel very very consistently
over the years saying that they are automatically unsubbed multiple
times by YouTube.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's your narrative, but I mean other
people like Frank Trafano and some of the vegans might
have a different narrative. Trust in that perhaps you have
been owned.
Speaker 3: Jayder, I think you have you don't really understand it.
All those people, all these people that may be saying
things that you know, contradict things that I say, people
that don't like me, they're all just gaslighting.
Speaker 1: Actually, well maybe they've exposed you as gaslighting. That's what
we're here to investigate today.
Speaker 3: Is Georgian exactly guslight. But it's funny. You know the
social media companies and mass media in general, is they
provide endless examples of actual gaslighting. Yes, good constant examples, right,
and saying you when you look at the feedback mechanisms
in apps like YouTube, you actually do have some some
real prime examples of gaslighting. For instance, I mentioned people
being like auto unsubbed from my channel. I got a
WhatsApp message today from somebody else's got a YouTube channel
and he enjoys my content. He's somebody who sent me
like big fat one hundred dollars suit for chats in
the past. And this person was unsubscribed automatically by YouTube.
So and then the last time I had to you know,
you do a little chat with YouTube's, they tell you
that they're actually real people, but you know you're talking
to bots because It's always the same conversation you have
with YouTube support. They always say, give me five minutes.
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 3: Why is there always five minutes? Anyway, YouTube support, you're
in the chat with them trying to ask them, hey,
why is this problem happening on the back end of
my channel? What's going on here? And when I'm asking
them these questions. The last time I spoke with them
in the little chat box, I said something about people
being unsubscribed for my channel, and YouTube assured me that
they'd never unsubscribed people from their channels. They don't do
anything like that. They would never do something like that.
Yet I'm constantly getting comments and messages from people telling me, dude,
I was unsubbed from your channel for the second, third,
fourth time. But when you ask YouTube, they'll say, no,
we don't do that. That's absolutely ridiculous, right, you must
be crazy. So yeah, just an example of the constant
goss luton that we get from from social media companies
in mainstream media. But a lot of people have been
using these terms lately, like a couple of years ago,
and Jay and I have talked about this a few times.
It used to be sociopaths then it was psychopaths, right,
and then it was narcissists. And now the new buzzword
that the normies have figured out is gaslight, which gaslight
at least.
Speaker 1: Two or three years to catch on to stuff that,
you know, I did a whole presentation five years ago,
my occult Hollywood analysis of Gaslight that was one of
the first films I opened the whole presentation with five
years ago, and I went into the psychological warfare technique
of gaslighting. And just like Tristan said, now it's oh,
now people are using this term, but they're not using
it even in the right way. It does not mean
someone who disagrees with you or argues with you. That's
how most of these idiot vis and people are.
Speaker 6: Like anytime you come on and you're store poken about
oh eat anonymous, is nothing.
Speaker 1: Wrong with it, You're just.
Speaker 3: Exactly the exactly is when you see a lot of this,
and I mean it's it's kind of a cult phenomenon
that you see these these terms. They get used in
pop culture to stigmatize and you know, kind of label
people who don't go along with certain narratives, right, And
what you see right now is there's a lot of
and I should have pulled up some examples if I
was prepared how to have pulled up some examples. But
you see stuff like mainstream media articles saying that if
you refuse to wear a mask, you're probably a psychopath, right,
You're probably a toxic masculinity exuding psychopath who just you know,
wants to microaggress and uh and and put your gender
fluids all up on every woman that you see without
her consent. So I mean, it's it's like, this is
what media is constantly doing.
Speaker 1: Is do you have you heard Thomas Sheridan.
Speaker 3: I've heard the name.
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with the Irish or Scottish, I can't remember.
But he was one of the ones that really kicked
off maybe five six years ago on YouTube, the whole
socio psychopath stuff, Like he was doing this podcasts after
podcasts after podcasts.
Speaker 6: About the psycho pot and you were going for the
wrong times talking about the psycho you know, the psycho
put They are the people that they don't they don't
got no feeding, they don't got nothing going on in
terms of their heart. They got to a load of brains.
They might have a you know, a high IQ, but
they're ready to just just stop you in the back there.
They're ready to just stop you in the back dark.
That's exactly Thomas Sheridan. And I've met the guy.
Speaker 1: I'm not being mean. He's he's a he's a nice guy.
I don't share his esoteric worldview, but we did have
a nice conversation at a conference one time. So so
he started talking about this and it really got going
on YouTube, and like you said, then I don't know
how or a where it just switched over into psychopath
I mean, narcissist. Then you see all these YouTube videos
flooding everywhere about in the narcissist and yes, uh And
then at the same time a kind of a resurgence
of serial killers in the last two or three years
with Netflix and this kind of stuff, and how there
was even videos of girls. It was going on, psychopaths
are so hot and oh my gosh, have you seen
the Jeoffrey Dahmer video. Jeoffrey Dahmer is freaking hot.
Speaker 3: Well, dude, you know what's so funny. It's crazy because
it's like, at one end, media and mass media populas
tells you that psychopaths are so bad and all these
mean people the bad people. They're all psychopaths. They're all sociopaths.
But then at the same time they teach you social
Darwinism and they tell you that, yes, you know, in Darwinism,
isn't psychopathy a good thing? I mean, in Darwinism, why
should you feel an emotional attachment to anybody? We should
just feel we should be we should be dominating and
depopulating in order to spread our seed. So I don't
it's kind of a double minded thing that happens there.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a great point. Yeah, we're, on the one hand,
supposed to only be concerned with this the individual and
his own hedonism and this kind of stuff, and then
at the same time we're supposed to, uh, you know,
have this collectivist obligation to duties to the entire global
village or whatever. It's just constant, constant gloss. It's constant
double think and double mindedness. And uh, I did do
a good interview with Nina. You can if you can
go back and you can find maybe six months ago
Nina and I did an interview that dealt with with
narcissists because she had done a whole she'd read a
whole bunch of books from FBI people and uh, you know,
intelligence type analysis that looked at the traits of of
of narcissists. So why don't Tristan if you would from
your advantage point, let's why don't you define like the
proper usage of these turns. So let's start with like,
you know, a narcissist and a psycho.
Speaker 3: Funny thing, because yeah, when you when you start getting
into the social sciences, you realize that they're completely unscientific, right.
It's like anybody who's taking from these social science past
is it's a lot of this is they preach moral,
moral relativism and subjectivity, and it really is kind of
subjective a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 1: But what it has to do with is.
Speaker 3: Unempathetic, inhumane personality traits. Right now, I don't have the
hard definition of narcissism right now, but they're a slew.
Speaker 1: Of I'm just I'm not trying to put you on
the spot. I mean, neither of us has that quote
clinical training, as if that really means anything. But yeah,
just kind of like the basic ideas of what is
the right the right terminology, I mean it does in
a way I think correspond to theological ideas just kind
of repackaged, you know, as psychobabble or whatever.
Speaker 3: That's what I was getting at, right, I think what
we're really looking at here is ways of describing human behavior,
ways of describing human traits and ultimately the human soul,
but from like a secular materialist perspective, and this psychology
in general as a field, where of course, obviously these terms,
these categories are pointing towards real phenomena that people experience,
real possibilities in the human psyche, human behavior. They really
sometimes they very often get used incorrectly. Right, So you
have this overarching group of personality traits that are associated
with narcissism, and all of these personality traits are essentially
evil traits, right, the traits of a wickedness, of manipulation,
lack of true human empathy, lack of regard for other people, selfishness,
complete being obsessed with your own image, vanity. Right, it's
like narcissism when you look at it from my perspective,
what we're really looking at here are social psychological terms
for spiritual phenomenon. Right, It's not just a When you
look at psychology as a field, it's very limiting and
it's very limited to just looking at reactions to stimulus,
and that's where you have the behaviorists come in and
a lot of these so called social sciences that are
very unscientific, right, So, gas lighting, narcissism, sociopathy, these are
all terms for evil, right, and they're they're used. These
are techniques that not even techniques, but when you look
at something like gas lighting, it's it's psychological manipulation techniques.
It's behaviorist manipulation techniques as well. How can you manipulate
somebody's behavior through environmental stimulus, through the twilight language, through
sprinkling their uh, their subconscious mind with you know, suggestions
that they're going crazy or that they're that they're bad,
or that their mean, and that they don't understand what's
really going on, that they don't understand the truth. Bent
up manipulative people?
Speaker 1: Is you froze for around the last three sentences?
Speaker 3: Okay, am I back? Cool? Cool? So anyways, gaslighting, narcissism, psychopathy,
these are all overarching terms and categories that are very
loosely defined in their fields. When you start looking at
the literature, and basically you could start picking apart anybody
in saying and making a case for them being a
narcissist or a psychopath. Because we all have these tendencies.
We all have tendencies to be vain, manipulative, vindictive, selfish,
We can we all have we all have the ability
to do this stuff right and and to the extent
that it almost seems like there's this I mean, you've
done a lot of good work talking about esoteric secret societies, esotericism,
and we look at some of the esoteric orders that
are really popular in the twentieth century. They're really about
breaking down the psyche and bringing about psychopathy, bringing about
the uber menh which is beyond good and evil, which
is beyond emotion. And a lot of these people that
are doing these when you look at things like ritual
abuse and whatnot to open up the psyche to certain forces,
you are looking at gateways to psychopathy.
Speaker 1: Right. You see in the last few centuries the intentional
promotion of any of the philosophies that cater to that mindset.
You see Nietzscheanism coming to the fore because it's quite
literally it appeals to human pride and vanity, the idea
that oh I really am the best, right, I'm above everyone,
I will achieve the uber mention, I will achieve the
superman status, so forth and so on, and it drives
well with transhumanism. In fact, there's a lot of academics
that do lectures even on the corresponds between the Nietzschean
ideas and transhumanism. So you're totally right there, and at
the same time, in the domain of what in a
way you could argue kind of replaces philosophy in the
last couple of centuries, philosophy kind of takes a background
seat to these rising disciplines of sociology and psychology and
those well, I mean, there's a lot of different currents
that influence where these schools quote unquote come from. But
in twentieth century America, the dominance of psychology and sociology
is directly from the Rockefeller influence. The Rockefellers intentionally kind
of wanted to promote these entities. They kind of bought
them off and run them, just like they run the
American Medical Association, these kinds of things. It's pretty easy
to document that. And you know, a lot of philosophers
have pointed out that the three fathers of modernity, or Darwin, Marx,
and Freud, and so each of those guys kind of
replaced in different areas of life, the new humanist mythos
with the older religious ideology.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So what Marx is doing for economics and social order, right,
he's replacing the older Christian ideas with his new narrative.
Darwin is doing this in terms of creation and the sciences,
and then in terms of the human personal relations. It's
no longer about as you said, Sin, it's now replacing
it with the biological chemical ideas. Right, manage this sort
of chemical creation. So therefore we can treat it with psychoanalysis.
We can treat them with electroshock, we can treat it
with external stimuli. We can treat him with drugs, big pharma.
These are the new replacement things. And so what is
psychiatry and going to a psychiatrist or shrink, that's your
replacement confession, right, Yeah. For centuries and centuries, Christianity had
the therapeutic process of the healing of the inner man
through the sacrament of confession. In fact, one of the
greatest Orthodox the elogians of the twentieth century still alive
is Jean Claude L'Arche, very famous French theologian. Orthodox the Elogian.
He has this really great I haven't even I've only
read a few chapters of this, but this three volume
set is the orthodox psycho therapeutic approach to healing our
problems only through Christ, only through the logos. You can't
achieve the noetic healing that we all require through psychoanalysis,
freud or whatever the latest thing is, right, I mean
Freudianism and the Carl Jungian stuff that will influence Marnie.
That's not popular anymore, that's not in vogue. It eventually
just caves into pure on behaviorism, Skinnerism, Pavlov, Abraham Maslow,
all those characters come to dominate and just turn it
into this purely physicalist enterprise of just treating chemical imbalances
with more chemicals, just throw chemicals at it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the reductionist attitude towards everything right, And you see
this in medicine. You see this in I talk.
Speaker 1: About that biological the biochemical view. What's it called that book?
The book?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was about to bring up exactly Lily E.
Kay's book The Rockefeller Foundation, The Molecular Vision of Life, Caltech,
The Rockefeller Foundation and the Rise of the New Biology
by Lily E. K. That's a very good book. You
can find a PDF of it online. The actual print
book is ridiculously expensive. Now it's sold out. It's one
of those things like someone mentions is it, mentions it
on the internet, and then suddenly you can't find it anymore,
and it happens all the time, but you can find
a PDF of it. So Lily E. K. In this
book she talks about Jay mentioned the Rockefeller Foundation, these
big foundations, the big money foundations that funded modern psychiatry,
psychology that essentially bankrolled the entire modern medical establishment, which
is based on reductionism, which is based on allopathic medicine,
is prescribing drugs right. So Lily E. K in this
book talks about the overarching worldview that led to the
formation of the new biological sciences that we see now.
These deterministic biological sciences, molecular biology, all have their roots
in reductionism and eugenics, Darwinism, and the big money foundations
for like the Rockefeller Foundation, invested in this not because
they're these great philanthropists who want to save the world
and protect everybody from the mean, nasty goslight and psychopaths,
but because they wanted to use this as social control mechanism. Right.
So they see the Rockefeller Foundation and the kind of
the school of thinking coming out of the eugenics movement,
the social Darwinists associated with the Royal Society, the hux Lees,
and going back to HG. Wells and long before this.
What you have is a kind of a cultural zeitgeist
and a overt philosophy of looking at all the social
problems in the world as stemming from lack of social
control over the organism of man. Right, So, social sociology,
social sciences, the Rockefeller Foundation. Lily E. K breaks this
down in her book Really well, they were intent on
not they were intent on using these as a means
to stop all the problems in the world, which of
course they see as overpopulation and lack of human lack
of control over the human organism, lack of control of
the movement of humans, the breeding of humans. This is
the problem of the world and they believe that they
can all be solved through intervention at the social level
by governments, NGOs and through behaviorism. So that's what we
kind of see now going on in the world. You
see mass behaviorists, social manipulation, psychological manipulation, psychological warfare happening
through social media, through mass media, and through these devices
to create essentially a hive mind of people that will
respond to stimulus in a predictable and programmable manner. And yeah,
what we see is the pathology. Anybody who starts to
push against this, anybody who starts to say, wait a minute,
maybe you know, wearing these masks that are depriving us
of oxygen all day, wearing a frickin nappy on your
face all day, wearing a diaper on your face, and
depriving yourself with the ability to breathe all day. Maybe
this isn't something that's gonna save us. Maybe this is
going to be detrimental to our health. No, no, no, no, no,
you are just a psychopath who doesn't care about all
the poor people who are dying, and grandma and grandpa
and all the poor children who are going to die
from this terrible thing if you don't wear your face nappy,
your face diapers. So it's these these terms do get
weaponized that use in to a great extent to just
psychologically manipulate the masses. Whereas there are psychopathic traits, there
are you know, psychopathy sociopathy, gaslighting. These are pointing towards
real phenomenon, but of course in the in the bigger
cultural sphere, they do get they can manipulated and use
for so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think my second book, there's a chapter
where I talk about the fragmenting of the news the
excuse me, the fragmenting of the psyche that happens in
the case of some of the characters in certain movies,
which we'll see this here in a little bit with
the character of Marnie. But I did a whole chapter
just on how this related to the mkulture research and
how they were studying, you know, fragmenting of the mind.
And I noticed as I read some of the Orthodox
modern writers, one of the great books on this is
Metropolitan Herotheos's book Orthodox Psychotherapy. It's a really good book.
It's kind of a if you want to a summarized
version of this three three volume thing, you could read
Orthodox Psychotherapy The Science of the Fathers by Metropolitan Herotheos,
and he talked about how there's a fragmentation. I may
have been citing a student of his. There's a Greek
guy I cited in the book. I forget his name,
But it's getting at the same idea, which is that
this fragmentation that can occur in the individual which needs
to be reintegrated in terms of the healing process that occurs.
Sometimes it's so radical that we can even see what
appears to be alternate personalities mpdd id So, even though
he's not necessarily directly talking about that, the radical versions
and extreme cases leads to that. But in a way,
we're all kind of double minded and divided in this way.
This is what the Fall has done our own sins
due to every one of us, is that we kind
of have this internal battle going on that we always
need to be purified from and healed from. And I
wanted to just read a brief quote here from It's
an interesting idea that I'd read this. This is Losky's
classic book, Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church, is probably
the best introduction to Orthodox theology that's out there. And
he had a little section on how the on the news,
which is the faculty that is given to us to
know God directly. He says that when we don't feed
on divine things and the spirit of God and so forth,
the news will the inner man will seek to feed
on itself, because it doesn't. It no longer acknowledges a
higher power, that connection that God has cut off. So
the inner man, the spirit of man, then starts to
feed on man. And he says Saint Tikon of Zadonsk
in the eighteenth century Row, the human soul is a
spirit created by God, and only in God, who has
created it in his own image and likeness, can it
find contentment and rest, peace, consolation, and joy. Once it
is separated from God, it seeks satisfaction amongst creative things,
and it begins to feed on its own passions, just
like husks fed to pigs, but finding no finding not
its true repose or purpose there or its true satisfaction,
it dies at length of hunger. For spiritual food is
a necessity to the soul. The spirit must find its
sustenance in God. It must live from God. The soul
must feed on the spirit. The body must live on
the soul. Such was the original ordering of our nature.
But turning our back from God, the spirit, instead of
providing food for the soul, begins to live the spirit
of man. He's saying, begins to live at the expense
of the soul feeding itself on its own substance, what
we might call usually speaking, spiritual values. But the soul
in turn begins to live thus within the life of
the body strictly, and this is the order of the
passions in the In the final analysis, the body is
then forced to seek nourishment outside of itself, in inanimate matter,
and in the end it comes to death. The human
complex finally then disintegrates into death. So disintegration is a
characteristic or feature, not just a bodily death, but the
inner man himself can be disintegrated to such a degree
that we begin to see even a fractured psyche, you
could say. And that's what I think we're going to
see with Marnie. I know that a lot of people
debate the reality of MPD D I D. I think
it's real. I've watched a lot of documentaries, read a
lot of books on it. I've seen people who seem
to manifest this this phenomenon and maybe may be rare
in these extreme cases, but I do think it's real.
Speaker 3: I think it's real, and I think it's more real
than people realize. I think maybe you're you're even given them.
Given the what's it called what was that organization.
Speaker 1: That was started, the False Memory Center Foundations.
Speaker 3: Yes, so the False Memory Syndrome Foundation was essentially booted
up after a lot of people were coming out and
talking about this MPD stuff and its association to you know,
the human experimentation in mk ultra intelligence agencies and stuff
like that. I think it's absolutely real. It's something that
I've seen in a lot of people, and I think
it's more it could be it could be subtle, It
could be very subtle, and then it could be so
overt where it's like suddenly, you know, somebody snaps into
you know, a girl is you know, stunted maybe at
the age of seven or eight and constantly regressing and
speaking in a little girl voice. You see this with
like Britney Spears.
Speaker 1: And a lot of these celebrity When I saw that
when Marni, the first thing I thought of was Britney Spears.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So you know when Marty in the film,
So if you guys, we didn't really introduce the films, right,
we're talking today about how we got Gaslight and Marty,
which is Hitchcock films. Actually, Marty's like there's only two
Hitchcock films that I've actually closely watched, and one of
them was fifteen years ago. So I did enjoy Marty
quite a bit. I thought was actually a really good
representation in some ways of how these things have happened
and the nature of family, right, the multi generational aspect
of this, I think is very important as well. Marty's mother,
Am I frozen?
Speaker 1: No, you're good? Hellove? Wait, yeah, you're kind of froze, Okay.
Speaker 3: So I really like the character of Marty's mom. So
her mother, that's one of the kind of more iconic shots.
The first shot of her hobbling in with like little
Jabberwockie cane and just looking all demented, and I love
the visual portrayal of that character was beautiful, right, Like,
there's just something about like a good limp on a
character that.
Speaker 1: Was also playing playing it, playing it up. She's manipulating Marnie, Yeah, exactly, so.
Speaker 3: She she wants to appear more fragile than she is
appearing like the victim, playing the victim, this perpetual victim mentality,
and then the victim goes on to manipulate and victimize
other people. I think that's something that Marty very effectively displayed,
and that's something that we do see, yeah a lot.
Speaker 1: Right, By the way, I did find I always recommend
to people who don't know about this, or they're new
to it, or they're skeptical. I'm going to put in
the chat right here. This is the document the HBO
documentary that I always mentioned about MPD d ID that's
really good. It's an old, I think nineties HBO documentary
that covers it in a good way of analyzing five
different five or six people's lives who have this and
one of the consistent problems is ritual abuse. So you
can see why they obviously don't want to discuss this
topic as the ritual abuse comes up a lot, and
people would still want to oh, it doesn't even exist,
even after Jimmy Saville, even after all of these cases,
you know Epstein, all this stuff, Oh, doesn't exist, doesn't exus.
And then yet here we find this classic HBO documentary
from twenty or thirty years ago, once again being vindicated.
By the way. I don't want to get too ahead
of ourselves, because to start with Gaslight, if that's okay
with you, and then we'll move to Marnie. But have
you seen The Sopranos.
Speaker 3: I have not watched The Soprano. I have to see
a single episode.
Speaker 1: I only recently got into it. It's it's really awesome.
It's pretty badass. I can see why people think it's
one of the best shows of all time.
Speaker 3: It's one of those shows where everyone was so hyped
on it. I was just like, nah, I did the
exact same thing.
Speaker 1: I did the exact same I never watched it. I
was like, I don't care about that. But it really
is good. And there's a character just like Marnie's mom. Actually,
the grandmother and the Sopranos is the exact same. She's
super manipulative, but she plays up her like, oh I'm
about I am about to my little grandmother. I get
you know, and she but she's like this mental, psychopathic, narcissisic,
just nutcase.
Speaker 3: Like a witch is a wicked witch. Yeah, no, that's
and then that's a really good I mean, a kind
of archetypal character, right, the overbearing mother. You see, there's
a lot of films in literature, you know, the overbearing mother,
and of course you have a psychoanalysis as well. But
the character of an overbearing mother influencing a another character
to become psychopathic, manipulative, and to gosslight people. Well you
actually kind of had this a little bit in Gaslight
as well, right the the film. Yeah, so the film
begins with what is it she's playing? How does the
film begin?
Speaker 1: Let's h let's get to gaslighting. I want to remind
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Or's film nineteen forty four, gas Light. It's the most
Hitchcock non Hitchcock film. It feels like a Hitchcock movie
right around the time of Hitchcock Rise, but it's not
a Hitchcock movie. It is, however, very good. It will
be the means by which the phrase gas lighting comes
to be. The phrase comes from the movie, not the
other way around. There was a nineteen forty version that
the studio I guess m GM for whatever reason, they
tried to get rid of it. They tried to burn
all the posters and destroy it because because a British
it was what it was. Yeah, so they wanted to
have this be the only version.
Speaker 3: Of it, the American where the American guy is the
film noir crime solving hero. That must have been the difference.
Speaker 1: Oh exactly, I haven't. I haven't even watched the old one,
but I did read a little bit on it. Yeah.
So it begins with her aunt being killed and Ingrid Bergman,
the Paula character, sort of she foils the cat burglars.
He can't steal the jewels basically, so her mother is
or her aunt is, this famous opera sing or who
has wealth and jewels that have been given to her
from crown princes or whatever, and so this cat burglar
guy sneaks in. He's trying to get the jewels and
he ends up killing the ant, but he gets away
without the jewels. And then it sort of, I think,
jumps a few years into the future where Ingrid Bergman.
Paula has been sent to Italy to study opera on
her own, and so what do you know, This dashing,
dapper dan fellow pops into her life and he is
the smooth talking Italian guy, and well, of course we
know he's the cat burglar, right, but he's seducing Paula
because he wants the jewels Stiff for whatever. He's obsessed
with these jewels, and he's willing to even marry Paula
to get access to these jewels, which she has inherited
from her dead aunt.
Speaker 3: Right, so we don't know this right, Like in the
beginning when it starts out, they they really flesh that
out the timeline. It's revealed an a good way, like
it's not hokey. The I really enjoyed the kind of
composition of the story that they use. It wasn't And
the acting is on point, you know, great acting. Especially
nineteen forty four this film came out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a classic. I mean, it's one of
MGM's probably you know better, more more well known. I mean,
I think I don't remember. Ingrid was probably in a
few films prior to this, but this is right around
the time where she was like, she was like a
new star at the time because they offered this role
to Hetty Lamar and a couple other people Laurna, I
forget who, but they turned it down, so she took
it and then she kind of becomes the next big
A list star. And if you don't know Ingrid is
Isabella Russolini's mother, so you'll notice the fate that they
have the exact same face. If you go watch Blue Velvet,
they look exactly the same.
Speaker 3: But oh, that's interesting. That's interesting because that that film
doesn't have a lot of there's a lot of similar themes,
right it does.
Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, David Lynch will draw from a lot of
these neo over these new war films like Gaslight or
Sounds of Boulevard.
Speaker 3: But what do you think about the how she starts
out and she's in the carriage right, Like that's one
of the first scenes. She's in the carriage being brought
to her new handler. I think the first shot is
they're lighting the gas in the streets, right, the gaslight
in the streets, which the gas lights back then they
had these you know, gas lanterns that you would have
to light manually, and the gas is flowing through the homes,
and if, say, if you're upstairs and you're using the gas,
you're gonna be using a lot.
Speaker 1: Of the gas.
Speaker 3: Just like if you've got shitty electricity and turn on
the lights and everything goes dim in another room. That's
what would happen, right. But I enjoy how they show
kind of this transfer of power over this girl who's
kind of alone in the world, being essentially, you know,
jumping from traumatic situation the traumatic situation. Her new handler
is the music composer guy. You know, it's like this bald,
kind of like Jewish looking composer type characters in Italy.
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be an old Italian opera master. Okay,
but it looks like about being handed off because one
thing that's not exactly clear is that she appears to
be still somewhat underage. I mean, I don't know what
the age limit on being married in Italy was in
nineteen thirties, but I mean she's she's like fourteen at
the beginning. I don't know. I don't remember how many
years later it is when she's studying in Italy after
her aunt's been killed, when the killer guy, you know,
pops on the scene and starts seducing her. But I
think this is supposed to maybe we're supposed to think, oh,
this guy's actually a predator, like he's I mean, we
know he is a predator, but he's predating upon somebody
who's pretty young. And that's why she's so naive. She's
probably supposed to be like sixteen, seventeen eighteen. She does.
Speaker 3: She seems very young. And in the first scene when
she's in the carriage and there's an old man, I'm
not sure who he is, but there's this kind of
creepy old man that's bringing her to her new her
new teacher who knew mentor who then she gets kind
of stole from under his wing in the next team,
you know, so within two minutes, you get this girl
has passed from like three different the hands of like
three different handlers into a new situation where she's supposedly
in love with this man and he's seduced her. And
it's a very kind of lusty relationship, right Like there's
these scenes where they're all trying to steal moments with
each other and he's run away with me, my dear.
Speaker 1: My dear, he says, all time and by the way,
that's actually a neuro linguistic programming technique. I don't think
they had NLP down that path back at this time
in the forties or thirties or whatever. But he constantly
says her name as as a technique later to kind
of have him saying her name, like every piece of
dialogue is a way for him to kind of have
power over.
Speaker 3: It's you can see you And he said, Oh, paul La.
He speaks to her like she's a child. Yeah, exactly,
he speaks to her like she's a child. And I
mean that's another thing that you notice with a lot
of these and that's something that they got, they really
nailed in this film, and David Lynch does a good
job with this, is showing the subtle changes and personality
in mannerisms that you know, just speaking simply speaking in
a certain cadence to a character can bring about, right,
Like like the scene in muholand Drive where everything is
so fake and weird in the beginning, and then she
gets into the scene with this old pervert dude in
Hollywood and she's in a character and then all of
a sudden it gets really real. You know, it's this
kind of false reality that's constantly being led by by
some of the characters in the film. Is it's really
well portrayed in gaslight, right, So her whole world is
essentially this like false light, right, and and gaslight? What
is a gas lantern?
Speaker 1: When begans light their farts, we've already determined that are
full of gas, and so that's when they light, that's gaslighting.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's doctor Gregor. You think you said when doctor
Gregor lights is fart on fire, that's that's gas lighting.
Lights a match under under doctor Gregor's ass. It's but
it's funny like the symbol of gas light, right, Like
it's an artificial light. It's not the light from you know,
the sun. It's not the it's a moonlight. It's it's
a light that somebody has to physically and regulate.
Speaker 1: It's artificial. And the world that Ingrid will come to,
Paula will come to inhabit is artificial because it will
become the creation of the the I forget the guy's name,
but her her new psycho controller guy, her husband. And
there was also a piece of foreshadding I wanted to
mention too. When when she meets Bessie, the old woman
on the train. At the very beginning, Bessie says.
Speaker 7: Oh, I'm reading a novel about a man who had
seven wives buried in his basement. I love a good
I love a They called me blood first.
Speaker 1: And so Jamie's in there laughing. It's not that funny,
But I like that she's talking about the psycho husband
and her story that she's reading, who has seven wives
buried in the basement. That's a foreshadowing that, Hello, you're
about to marry a total psychopath here ingrid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and her character is funny because she shows up
right in the in the end, she she's eavesdropping at
the last scene. So she kind of finishes off the
film and punctuates it with, oh look, how scandalous. She's
on the roof with a new man. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: It's like a novel.
Speaker 3: It's like tell novels, all right.
Speaker 1: So, and she's the one who gossips. She has actually
an inadvertent role in helping solve all this, because she
gossips to the guy who ends up solving and figuring
out what's going on. And so, but that the the
guy that knew her from when she used to live
there with her aunt years before, and so he what's
interesting is that when the psycho dude meets up with
her and starts grooming her or whatever, he psychologically profiles
her by figuring out the things that she's really attached
to you and really loves. And the reason he's doing
that is so that he can begin to manipulate her
in her weak points. This is what one thing that
narcissist pus do is they find your weak points to
constantly push the weak point right to agitate you or
get you upset. And that's what he's doing is finding out, oh,
she likes these gloves, she likes this painting, she likes
this pendent or whatever, and so he knows the points
where he can begin to trigger her. And the first
thing he does is like, he's like, my Bola, I
would love to go back to London and leave instead
of inside of a townhouse just and it happens to
be the townhouse that she's triggered by, right right, the
townhouse which her aunt was murdered in, which that's the
mystery who murdered her aunt and why nobody knows yet.
Speaker 3: So he so he essentially takes control of her and
then brings her. It convinces her to bring him to
her inherited her aunt's home, and then she she feels
a little bit weird, right, so she kind of maybe
senses his predatory nature, and he's constantly redirecting her attention
to things on the outside and saying.
Speaker 1: Oh, look at this.
Speaker 3: The suspicion is all out there, like these other people
who are there there, they're trying to influence you. Paul.
It's your it's your your incorrect way you you only
you do not see it correctly.
Speaker 1: My dear three is done. My power. You're cracking me up.
Speaker 3: The voices, the voice is, this voice is great. That
guy's he's a really good actor, a great his micro expressions,
you know, with his eyes, I think they did. There's
some far better acting going on in this film than
you see these days, and a lot of pop pop
culture stuff. But he he's a he's a well done
character is and a well written character in a well
acted character. And what he does I like how he
I don't like it. I mean, it's it's a disgusting
thing that he does to this woman, but the way
that it's portrayed. He pushes all of her memories kind
of up an attic, right, So all of all of
Paula's aunt's things are in this home and she comes
in and she's starting to have all these memories and
he wants to crush her memory. He wants to crush
her her connection to her past. Which is what cults
always do, right, And so you know, the cult leader
always want to break the ties to the family. Uh,
break them off from their old friends. Your old friends idiots.
Your old friends are all whatever it is. Your old
friends are shills, your old friends are are degenerates. These
people are terrible. They're they're they're they're not initiated, they're idiots. Like,
this is what colts do. They break you off from
your family, from your former life, and they push all
those memories into the past and then rearrange them for you.
So that's what psychotherapy does, right. You see a lot
of these failed marriages and stuff where all of a sudden,
you know, like if you talk to somebody in their
their wife starts going to a psychiatrist or a psychologist
and then suddenly this this psychologist starts playing games with
her mind basically, and then their whole past gets rearranged
and everything takes on new meaning because of the therapeutic
process of psychotherapy, and this kind of psychopath basically brings
her through this traumatic psychotherapy of rearranging everything in her life,
and he puts all the possessions of her up in
the attic, which you later find out is for a
sinister reason beyond just brainwashing Paula. He's looking for, you know,
the treasure. He's looking for the jewels, which I guess
you know obviously represents something beyond just physical wealth. It's
kind of this esoteric symbol of, you know, her soul,
kind of in a certain way, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, she Ingrid Berman went and studied in a
mental institute for this role, and she studied a woman
who had to break down, and she's trying to mimic
her breakdown on this woman's breakdown. And another interesting factoid
is that the opera that she sings I don't remember
the name of it, but it's actually a famous opera
about a woman who goes mad and has a breakdown.
So there's like all these really subtle foreshadowings. And one
that Jamie noticed that I didn't even notice that was
in the the factoids on the movie was that the
as the movie progresses, there's more and more clutter and
bric a brac all around her and in the house.
And the guy did that on purpose. The psycho husband
did it on purpose to do more and more get
her into a frame of dissociation and clutter and madness.
Speaker 3: That's that's really I actually didn't notice the transformation of
the house much. Maybe it was too far from a
small screen when I watched it. That's really uh, that's
really important too, because when you look at pop culture today, right,
look at the architecture we have. Look at the billboards
we have, right.
Speaker 1: We association madness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all over the billboard. Is just you know,
the hyper sexual hyper violence. Violence is sexy, sex is violence.
Speaker 1: You know that.
Speaker 3: That's the imagery we get. It's discombobulating, it's it's it's
very esthetically displeasing. And you've talked about modern art and
modern architecture, how these have been used by you know,
social engineers in order to format the psyche of modern
mad Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's one of those Stanford research documents. It's in Daniel
Essolin's book, and he talked about how they talked, They
said to intentionally induce mania neurosis and dissociation into the
mass mind through the toxic culture.
Speaker 3: Basically, So when I see and I mean, maybe drop
this down right now, because.
Speaker 1: Big big Daddy, deep State, the social engineers, they represent
this psychopath. The public is represented by Ingrid Bergmann. That's
the way to understand.
Speaker 3: Exactly, right. So, what's the guy that was that actor's name?
I would I'd like to see some more of if
Sergis Bauer is the murderer, right, So that Surgis Bauer
was the name that was on the letter that she found,
which triggered this whole thing. Right, So Ingrid Bergmann's character
found the letter from this guy who was the murderer.
She found this letter and was reading it, and he
tried to make her believe that it wasn't real. He tried.
He tried so hard to Gaslighter that in the end
of the film, near the end of the film, she
brings it up. He's trying to ask her, what is
it that's she's kind of breaking for you, the programming
in certain ways, She's starting to question it. She wants
to go out into the world. She wants to go
to this party, right, she wants to go to this
party from this woman that she knew when she was
a child, and it was like a major A major
turning point in the plot is her getting dressed up
and saying, no, I'm I'm going to this party, even
though he had already written to the host and said
my wife is very secret preventing her from coming.
Speaker 1: I am so sixty.
Speaker 3: I think he's French. Is any French? Is the Italian?
Speaker 1: Maybe? Maybe? Right? I thought he was French. But like
all the men in this period, like the eighteen from
eighteen fifty to nineteen thirty, everybody looked like it am
either a wizard, I mean like a stage magician or
dragt So.
Speaker 3: Everybody stage magicians are Dracula. It looked like every everyone
looks like Manley P. Hall in the forties, like the
weird hypnotic eyes, and they did. They did a great
job with the lighting in his eyes at certain times.
Listen to the.
Speaker 1: Lighting is a huge thing in noir, right, you gotta
have the specifically darkened uh lighting for that that whole genre.
Oh one other side note, I didn't want to mention
that this is actually Angel Lansbury's first role. So if
your grandmother or your whom her parents love to watch murder.
She wrote this is This is Angela Lansbury's first role.
She's the maid and she has a strange slang. She
likes to say coo. She's like a street bitch, right,
Like they bring street and then her into a maid.
And he he does this because she's like a low
class kind of person that he thinks he can manipulate.
I'm talking about the psychopathic guy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the the maids, Well there's two maids, right, the
one of them the younger, the younger one, right, So
she's kind of sexualized in the film, and she comes
on to him at one point and they have this
unspoken sexual tension.
Speaker 3: Which another thing about this film that's a lot makes
it much more enjoyable is it's like they don't have
to they get across, like the the vulgarity of his
of the psychopathic character and his kind of like, uh,
I don't know, is what do you call it? Is
an adult inclinations. They do it without like he doesn't
have to go have like an orgy or something. Then
i'd like explicitly have the sexual act. They just they
did it in a way where it was kind of
classy but also got the raunchiness across of that the
mad character. You know, she's talking about I'm going to
dance and he's like, who are you going to dance with?
And oh, gentleman friend, and you know, so they have
this moment which is very well done seen and kind
of a very creepy and and freaky in some ways
and kind of scary, but it's so subtle. I like
the way they got that across.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't remember the first year of the Hayese Code,
but they had what they call the Hayes Code at
this time, and that you couldn't It was a little
weird because I mean it's almost like there was an
extreme back then, the Hayes Code, and now the extreme
is the exact opposite, because in the Hayes I think
you couldn't even show a husband and wife having the
same bed. That's why in all those old movies and
TV shows there's a husband's bed and a wife's bed
because it was part of the code, which they could
be a bizarre to me. But now are the exact
opposite to where its like anything and everything has to
be in every single movie.
Speaker 9: I've heard some I forget who was I heard talking
about this and it seemed like it really really true,
is uh, you know in the beginning, and then the
studios had to keep things wholesome to a certain extent,
and you had you also had the Catholic Church, which
is very.
Speaker 3: Involved in trying if they were in the code. Yeah, yeah,
so the Hayese Code, which came from the Catholicism of
Roman Roman Catholics. But it was yeah, they had to
get this trojan horse into the homes, and so they
had little leave it, leave it to Beaver and wholesome
family messages and the protagonist was always learning a good lesson.
So people were said, okay, we can, we can have
some television in the home. This is teaching our children
a good lesson. It's teaching them about the world, and
it's helping them have morals. Check out, leave it to Beaver.
And now it's like, I don't know, like whatever's on
Disney Channel now, it's probably like, yeah, like miss Beaver
the mill for whatever is the Disney show these days,
like mister Chasing Missus chasing Miss Beaver to chasing Miss
Beaver's beaver whatever.
Speaker 1: And it's an actual beaver, Like it's like bee steal
type stuff. Now it's not e is a beaver and
it like beaver is a beaver.
Speaker 3: But it's what it's it actually is. It's the protagonist
in the end because it's helping get rid of toxic masculinity,
because it's it just it just grinds up the phallacies
that come towards it. It's really weird.
Speaker 1: Why don't they get rid of masculinity in nature? By
the way, I guess they will probably eventually.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I guess the transhumanism they want to
end all death and all suffering, which they also believe
that life is suffering.
Speaker 1: So the easiest examples of gas lighting come about in
the film when he literally just does things right in
front of her, like takes her pendant, hides it, gives it,
takes his watch, says he lost it, puts it in
her purse, pulls it out of her purse, and you know,
tries to basically frame her. He does all these little
psyops and he just starts doing things in her face, like,
you know, implying that she's insane, and it's contrary to
the very thing that her sense impression is telling her, right,
like her senses are telling her that She's not insane,
but she is under his authority, and you know, kind
of has this Stockholm syndrome kind of attachment to him.
So she almost doesn't want to admit to herself that
he could be this evil. And so this is something
This is one of the stumbling blocks to people recognizing
and understanding corrupt, evil leaders is that they have the
stumbling block that surely nobody could be that evil. They
can't actually be that level of psychopath. There's no way
somebody could. The government wouldn't lie to my face.
Speaker 3: Exactly what he like you said, he shoves it in
her face. And I think one of the turning points
in the film I mentioned earlier, and I've kind of
got lost in it. I forgot to finish the he
she goes to that she wants to go to this
performance this pianist was playing and some sort of a
high society. She dresses up in this beautiful white dress,
and she looks gorgeous, and she's so happy and and
they're sitting there and they're watching this beautiful performance and
this is one of the best you know, cinema cinematography
in the scene and the music and the acting is great.
But he he has this watch, and he pulls the
watch out the chain for his watch in his pocket
and the watch is gone, right, so of course he
hid the watch in her bag. He reaches for her
bag and it's this very slow, grueling scene and he
pulls the watch out of the bag and she just
starts bawling and crying and breaking down in front of everybody.
And so he basically triggers her with these actions and
then uses this to humiliate her publicly, to try and
separate her from any outside influences who might threaten his
control over her, you know, desires her soul or her consciousness.
There's another thing. He's constantly trying to guard her from
outside influence. That's really important to him because if she
can be influenced by something from the outside, she might
see the objective truth that he's manipulating her and keeping
her in the dark, that he's gaslighting her. So yeah,
it's a that's a really important scene. I really enjoyed
that scene in the film there, And of course at
this place you have the Scotland Yard detective. He shows
up there and he's trying to figure out what's going
on here. He's kind of like the hero savior character,
and he's the American for some reason, he's an American
from I don't know, maybe it's in the FBI or something.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean this is a you know, Allayway production,
so I'm sure at this time they wanted to have
that sort of messaging there. And you know, Italy is
part of the Axis Powers, so naturally you would have
a bad guy being Italian. It makes sense in that guard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're there, they're in London saving the Americans,
and the Londoners are going to save her from the
bad Italian gas ladder. But it's so.
Speaker 1: Let's see, by the way, what was his profession? Was
it ever made clear? I mean, he's a professional.
Speaker 3: Con man, but he's a composer. He's a composer and
he has to compose in a different house because it's
too loud in this house. Right, he can't do his
will kid because it's too loud here, which, of course
she seems to internalize. It's like, oh, it's her fault, right,
he can't do his work here because I'm here because
I do things wrong, and I'm always a burden. She
always feels like she's burdening him, and he makes her
to always feel like she's just holding him back. He's
just trying to help her, but she's so screwed up,
when in reality is he's constantly beating her down. He's
constantly manipulating her and making her feel broken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, thanks guys for those super chants.
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I will get to the was in a minute. But
this reminded me of another movie that's really good in
regard to this, the Insight, which is The Lodge, which
came out this year back in January. It's a psychological
horror thriller by the directors that made a Good Night Mommy,
which is also a pretty wild, dark psychological thriller. Did
you buy a chance to see The Lodge? You probably haven't,
But I'm not gonna spoil anything because if you watch
the trailer you can already kind of figure out. But
one of the things in The Lodge that that's pretty
we can understand ingrid Bergmann's position as Paula because in
the Lodge, as you are watching the film, you don't
want to suspect that the kids could be that evil, right,
you don't want to suspect that kids could be gaslighting. Basically,
the kids in this movie are sort of messing with
this woman and as they're isolated in this lodge somewhere
in the middle of like a snowstorm, and you don't
know why they're doing it. I mean, you can kind
of guess, but they basically figure out her weaknesses and
they keep pushing her pressure points. They realize she's taking
I think Prozac or something. They're kind of some kind
of you know, SSR I mad. They utilize all these
weak points and they just keep doing these like crazier
and crazier level things. And as an audience, you just
keep thinking, oh, well they're kids and they act like nice,
there's no way. But actually we know that, you know
from the Fall, this is entirely possible for kids all
the way up to adults to be to be really evil,
to be really wicked, you know, right.
Speaker 3: Well, the Nowist Revolution, I mean you had great kids
on their parents and even violent actions done by children, right,
That's that's a great manipulation technique, right, you use human shields.
Speaker 1: Human shields, right, Yeah, this goes on in warfare. Child
soldiers all this kind of remember all that Coney twenty
twelve bullshit. I mean, there were child soldiers and this
kind of stuff, even though Conye was probably long dead.
But but yeah, that's that's part of that tactic is
to you know, utilize and again, yes the children are damaged,
as we'll see with Marnie, but that still doesn't you know,
two wrongs don't make it right, you know what I mean,
just just just because their damag doesn't mean that oh well,
it's okay if they're a psychopathic.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: He gets her to eventually question her own memories. He
isolates her, as you pointed out very I like the
analogy to the cult leaders. I didn't even think about that,
but he actually just like a cult leader's the same
pattern of psychopathy.
Speaker 3: Great point there, which is another thing that when you
look at the traits of a psychopath, it's all cult leader, right,
and it's also the traits of a psychopath. Are I
think I'm frozen?
Speaker 1: And another thing too, is that he knows that she
doesn't want to believe it, and he can play on that.
Are you there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm back there, You're back.
Speaker 1: He knows that her, he knows that she doesn't want
to believe it, and he can play on that, right.
She doesn't want to admit this to herself because of
well the implications and how crazy it would be. And
you know, she looks like a fool for having gotten
with this guy. Don't goshrud me. I didn't just walking away.
Speaker 3: That's I didn't just walk away. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: There you go. Now we have a perfect example of it, right,
he says, I didn't just Dristan just gassed by the
whole audience, he said, he didn't walk away. We saw
the kid.
Speaker 8: What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, stop flickering that light. And now you have to
tell me that you didn't there is no light. There
is no light. Yet we called him exposed. Exposed.
Speaker 3: They did a good job with the with the items
they chose her, Like her broach was the first thing
that went missing, and it's just like little things that
he would hide from her you move around in the house.
But then, what I thought it was an interesting concept
that like bringing other people into the gas lighting, and
it happens almost naturally, right like with the maid, it's
not like she had to be briefed and like, hey,
we're gonna we're gonna mess with this lady. We're gonna
drive her nuts, we're gonna abuse her. But the maid
kind of just in this like kind of demonic way
that that's it found that that kind of whatever, that uh,
that thing found its opening in her, and she, uh,
she became a part of the of the plot against Paula.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just due to.
Speaker 3: Her own lust for h the handsome Surgis Bower or
what's an Anton right, Anton is his last name. Through
her lust for him perhaps or her just boredom and
being a busy body. Uh, she she got in on
it and became a major part of the manipulation of
Paula exactly.
Speaker 1: Let's move on now, let's you have anything else? In
a Gaslight. It's a classic movie. I highly recommend people
watch it if you want to get an insight into
psychological warfare, manipulation, all these kind of techniques. That's a
better means of trying to understand this than all the
idiots on YouTube trying to talk about this, so they
don't know what they're talking about. Anything else on Gaslight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last scene is pretty good. I think the
last scene where he's tied up the the antagonist that
was Anton Gregor Anton's character. He's tied up and the
police officer leaves the protagonist with him alone. She demands,
she said, I want to be with him. I want
to confront him. And she's alone in the room with
him and he tells her it basically tries to manipulate
her and gaslight her into thinking that this is it's
It's all okay. I'm still your I'm still your dude.
It's okay. This guy is just manipulating you because he
is lusting for you. He's I can feel it. He
is in love with you. He wants to get romantic
with you. I can feel it. Get there as a
knife in the disc, we'll get the knife and cuts
me free.
Speaker 1: Paula.
Speaker 3: So she goes over there, she's looking for it, and
she finds the knife and it's in her hand. She's like,
what knife? What are you talking about? What knife? And
there's a really good moment there where you kind of
feel the possibility of her becoming the abuser as well,
right like, is she gonna is she gonna torture him
with this knife? Is she gonna stab him with the knife?
Or is she gonna cut him free? Yeah, and so
there's a lot of possibilities. So the knife kind of
to me represents the techniques, right, she's been she sees
it all, and she's wielding the techniques in her hand
now because this has been given to her through this character,
and she can decide what to do with that knife afterwards.
So maybe Paula's character ends up becoming Marny later on,
you know, I mean.
Speaker 1: The type of exactly. Yeah, that's one of the themes
here is the possibility, well we know in Marnie what happens,
but the possibility of this being like a generational thing.
And certainly in the case of you know, like abused
and that kind of stuff, it seems to be a
generational perpetuated thing. And I think sometimes in the case
so some of they really degenerate elite families, it's intentional.
They intentionally want to abuse their youth so that they
become psychopathic. I mean, this is something that's been known
by nobility have had the tendency to want to create
psychopathic offspring because they believe that you know, it's like
a powerful Yeah, it's it's like a survival of the
fittest type of things.
Speaker 3: So they see it as spiritual power. Right, they're charging
you with spiritual power. And it's a weakness to have empathy.
It's a weakness not to be able to like whatever
slit a puppy's throat after you raise the dog, which
is you know the James Bond allegory that you know
it's been used, and that those techniques of psychologically breaking
somebody are they're powerful and they do impose, they do
kind of charge somebody up with a potential for a
lot of evil and a lot of manipulation. Froze again,
didn't I.
Speaker 1: No, you didn't freeze?
Speaker 3: Or not to me?
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit. Yeah, they're coming back. One question
for you, are you there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm back.
Speaker 1: Can you think of an instance where and I'm guessing
it's probably on YouTube. I mean, you can give any
instance that you want, but has somebody gaslighted you? What's
an instance of gas lighting that was real that you've experienced?
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's when you see gas lighting used.
Speaker 1: Now, it's.
Speaker 3: This is something that it's not just like there's a
it's like with psychopathy, right when you look at the
definition path right, like if you're to look up like
the psychopathic traits there's a list of you know, I
don't hundreds or let's see what it is you've got.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bother.
Speaker 3: But if you look at the traits of a psychopath,
it's you know, artificial charm, very manipulative, highly intelligent, but
very manipulative. All these all these traits that everybody can
possibly exhibit. Right, So the same thing with gaslighting. I'll
just I'll give an example of me myself. I was
like in my teenage years getting caught smoking weed in
my bathroom by my parents. So there's like we'd going
out the window or the I'm in the shower, right,
and I got like a pipe and smoking pot of
like seventeen years old, I'm smoking pot in the bathroom
and my parents smelled it. Of course they smelled it.
So can you I think you're muted.
Speaker 1: You got like a big Gandolf pipe in your shower
that's whatever, like.
Speaker 3: An eight foot long show.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're like you're in there like Gandolf, like
this throne.
Speaker 3: So so I'm I'm in the shower, I'm like make
it in the shower. And then my dad's like, hey,
what's going on. It calls me out and I'm just like.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, like what do I do? What am I
gonna do?
Speaker 3: Like I'm caught. So I'm just like basically just doubled down,
and I remember just no, no, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: What do you tell? Clouds of weed puffing out everyone.
Speaker 3: I stayed in the shower until I thought the smell
had gone away, and then so then I open up
the door out of the bathroom and it's like a
Jack and Jill bathroom. The first part is the sinks, and.
Speaker 10: There's a door going through to my brother's room, and
then there's the little bathroom part with a toilet in
the shower, and then there's a window that I was
blowing the smoke, and my parents are just sitting there
right in front of the in the sinks, in front
of the sinks, and I opened the door.
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, so maybe they forgot about it.
I'll go like I'll like hide the pipe or something.
And I opened the door and they're right there. And
it was just funny because my first instinct was like no,
just lie right. It was just double down. I was like, no,
you guys are crazy.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? You're crazy?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So it's like, and this isn't what most teenagers end
up doing this to their parents at some point. No,
mom and dad, you're crazy. I don't smell like cigarettes
or like that. You don't smell booze on my breath
or like whatever. It is like, it's like you just
double down and lie about it. This is a natural
human thing. But look, if you get used to that,
you get entrained to that, and you grow up your
whole life thinking this is how you get what you want.
You lie to people, You manipulate people, you make them
think that they're uh, you make a question their sanity.
If they do approach the truth with you, you can
end up like a cycle like this. So I think
that's just uh, that's one example that comes to mind
of you know, when I was a kid, when I
would maybe have tried to use some of the Gosloyton techniques.
But I mean, you see in the vegan in the
whole vegan movement, which I'm always criticizing and kind of
breaking down, we uh, we see a lot when somebody
leaves veganism on YouTube, like these vegan influencers will decide
they don't want to be vegan. Anymore, their health crashes,
their gut is destroyed, they can't digest anything, They're depressed, anxious.
Some of them will get really really bad, and uh
they leave the cult. And what are the vegans do?
They say, no, you did it wrong, you were never
really vegan. I'm sick of this cutting out? Why is
it doing that?
Speaker 1: Right back? My stream status is going up and down?
Speaker 3: So okay, cool, So it might not be me I
was thinking it was.
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a good connection up until now.
It's saying that YouTube is having trouble getting a clear connection,
so it keeps, it keeps jumping from good to excellent
to poor. So we're choppy. Everybody's leaving the stream because
we're choppy, right, I'm back, hear me? Yeah, but I
think we're choppy on my end. So I'm just shiving
it a second to kind of catch up. Fiddle, you
feel smooth out. Isn't there a way to like change? Okay,
it looks like we're kind of getting back now to
change is it back? Yes? I know the stream is shopping.
I can't do anything about it. Sometimes YouTube and the
internet just does that.
Speaker 3: Someone said we're good, someone said audio is good.
Speaker 1: Still keep going audio is good. Lagging okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so anyway, so the vegans will do they'll say,
they'll tell the x vegans the people who are leaving
their cult. And you see this when people leave cults.
You see it in scientology as well. They'll swarm them
with basically harass them and try to drive them nuts.
So you see these x vegans getting told, oh, you
did it wrong, you were never really vegan. And basically
the gas lighting techniques are very prominent when you see
somebody leaving any cults. Yeah, and that's prominent in many
of these little mini cults, these secular cults online that.
Speaker 1: You see like twenty people leave, thirty people leave because
it lags. I mean, I like anyone can control that.
Speaker 3: I'm out of here, dude, I gotta go, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So even you leave like two minutes of lagging,
I'm out of here, dude. Let's talk about Marnie. This
is in the period when you have I mean, Freudianism
is still popular in the fifties and sixties, but Carl Young,
you know, freud Student psychoanalysis is all the rage even
still in this time period of the forties and fifties
and somebody said Marnie is all about Freud. I mean
there are forty in elements. But actually the book that's
mentioned in the in the screenplay is Carl Young. The
Undiscovered Self is a Carl Young book. And that's one
of the things that Sean Connery recommends to Monor don't
you read they Undiscovered shelf manor and she won't do it.
Speaker 3: It's John Connory's accent in the movie. He is like,
weird American accent.
Speaker 1: This, let's see so the chat can remind me. But
Psycho Strangers on the Train, Vertigo Marnie. I mean, Hissock
has a million movies, so I'm sure that it comes
up elsewhere. But these are at least four of the
Hiscock classics. Then include the notion of alters MPD D
id it's a theme in Hitchcock. That's what's going on here.
We notice that at the beginning she's almost acting like
a spy, like she's like she's dyed her hair. She
goes and steals a bunch of money from someplace she
works at, and then we realize that that's her scam.
Her scam for some reason, is to get jobs. Tiv
Hedron Marnie to go work at someplace her unassumed identity,
which is a lot easier back in the sixties or whatever.
And then she just gets the code to the workplace safe,
takes the money, runs off, and then washes the die
out of her hair. Then she moves on to the
next one. Right, that's her scam, that's what she's running.
She gets this money, and then she goes and buys
things to try to get her mom's favor. She buys
her mom a fur thing. And her mom is this
kind of like backwards redneck woman that it seems unassuming,
but as we find out, she's actually super manipulative and
doesn't really love Marnie. And Marnie keeps feeding trying to
win her mom's favor and it doesn't work.
Speaker 3: And the mom. We talked about the mom a little
bit earlier. She's a great character, though she's just hobbling,
seemingly physically broken, crooked little woman.
Speaker 1: Who's that I like her line when she's like, now,
we don't do none of that smart Bible talk in
my house. Don't bring that smart Bible talk.
Speaker 3: What is smart Bible salable words in my house?
Speaker 1: So she's very resentful she resents anybody who's successful. Marnie, uh,
you know, has these different quasi successful jobs. I mean
she can go and get get the jobs that she wants,
men do like her. And the mom seems to resent
all this. Are we good? Amestra is a get right
Harris is everything? Okay? It says, excellent connection now, so.
Speaker 3: I think we got a good connection. And and Marnie also,
she's always jocking for her mom's approval, right like, she
says something along the lines of why don't you love me?
Speaker 1: Why doesn't she?
Speaker 3: And the mother has this like a neighbor girl who
comes over and hangs out, And Marnie, who's a grown woman,
is jealous of this like whatever ten or twelve year
old girl, and overtly and even verbally jealous tells her mom,
why don't you love me?
Speaker 1: You love me enough? Or something like that, Yeah, why
do you love this ten year old girl next door?
And you treat her like a daughter? You don't love me?
And the mom never says, we're We're gonna find out later,
but yeah, but we see that that's setting up the
fact that Marnie is manipulated by her mom, her her
motherly archetype that she's never been able to to please.
And the mom has instilled in Marnie that all men
are evil, all men are are are going to beat you,
and they're they're they're evil, and so Marnie will never
be attached. She can't stand for men to touch her, right,
She's like, don't.
Speaker 3: Touch me, yeah, which is you know, it's funny because
we you're just talking about gaslight. How the character, the
psychopath character who gaslights the female protagonist does the same
thing once it keep control over her by manipulating your
relationships around her and carefully guarding that relationship and manipulates
those weaknesses and those you know, the natural human desire
for the mother of father's love can just be hijacked
and twisted into something manipulative.
Speaker 1: Right, So she instills in Marnie that hatred of men,
which is kind of just this sort of feminism was
kind of getting the third wave feminism was starting to
kick off around this time period by the fact that
Abby Rockefeller funded it. By the way, there is the
first thing that we start to notice is that Marnie
is easily triggered. She's triggered specifically by colors, and not
just colors we will find out there's other triggers as well,
but the Sean Connery character will start to piece this
together over time. But this is something that is relevant
to psychoanalysis, both Freudy and I guess and and other
uh psycho babble guys, is that they've they came up
with theories about what they call erotic crystallization, which is
where anytime that you were at a young stage of
development or whatever, maybe when you're starting to have puberty
and you you start to associate whatever was around you.
You know at the time that you began puberty, right,
you maybe you had puberty and you saw women's shoes, right,
so you have a foot fetish or shoe fetter something
like this. This is this goes into how they analyze
a lot of serial killers and always got an obsession
with women's clothes, and that's probably because of you know,
if he was abused at a certain point when he
was young, and the abuser was, I don't know, wearing pantyhose,
you know, so they these are social Yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Become hyper in those moments or something crazy and traumatic happens,
whether it's a car accident, right, or if you were
robbed or you know, you're you see some violent act,
you're involved in a violent ac act or rape, raped,
or abused. At that time, you become super hyper aware
of your environment. You become things kind of slow down
in those crazy moments, right with adrenaline and all the
stress hormones, time seems to kind of dilate, and we
become hyper aware of our environment. And in those in
those traumatic situations, people can even become so traumatized that
they in order to deal with that trauma, kind of
take on a new personality, right, meant to new narratives
exactly right.
Speaker 1: The brain seems to to fracture in order to safeguard
the core personality. And that's where you get this radical fracturing.
By the way, somebody in the chat said that when
you were in the shower, you were grosslighting gross, And
I was thinking your dad would be, like Sormon if
you had that big, that big Gandolf pipe. And remember
the line where Sarmon says to Gandalf, is your love
of the haffling leaf has out of Joe Martin. Yes,
that's what your dad said to you. And when you
got out of the shower, he's like, your your love
is happening. Your dad's like your dad's dressed like somn
he's got like a big wizard's robe.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, uh.
Speaker 1: I just I couldn't pass up the comment in the chat.
There yes, another interesting element I'm sure you caught this too,
was that when we introduced the the character of Sean Connery,
he has this fascination with breaking wild animals. Marty is
the wild animal.
Speaker 3: Right, must come now here, sloppy around the bit money,
slappy around for you.
Speaker 1: So he tames the shrew exactly. He is obsessed with zoology.
I think he's a publisher or something, but he studies
the instincts of predators. And then there's a specific analogy
between Marnie's love for horses and breaking horses, breaking in
a horse. This goes back to Plato. One of the
famous analogies of Platonism is that Plato says that the
reasoning faculties have to tame the body's passions that are
kind of uncontrollable. He says, they're like a charioteer with
these horses that are going crazy, and it's like breaking
a horse in to tame those passions. Marnie is this
force of nature. She's out of control. She's totally controlled
by her passions to the point that she seems to
even go into these alternate states. So she when she
gets triggered, I mean the red red makes her upset,
and she knows to like get rid of anything red.
She'll get rid of clothing, you'll get rid of polka
dot the you know, uh that she can't look at
the jockey who has red polka dots on his suit,
she can't look at the flowers that are red. But
when the lightning comes, that's when she goes into the
catatonic state, and she like, you know, she goes into
this other thing.
Speaker 3: Right it was it thunder or lightning? Was it both?
Speaker 1: It was the storm basically m yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So physical triggers just putting her into this almost
catatonic state. And this is one of the probably one
of the first films that really explored that like trigger
getting you know, triggered into a the psychological state, you know,
trauma and triggering an MPD. It's probably one of the
earlier films.
Speaker 1: It is one of the uh it's in oh, I
forgot the Hitchcock film with there's one earlier that we did.
It's in my book, and it uses the surrealist art
of uh Dolly. Somebody in the chat will know what's
the older It's it's actually the Hitchcock film just about
alternate identities. But there's a psychiatrist who's studying this. It
is older. But you're right, this was pretty new to
the scene. Spell Bound, that's it. Spellbound is an earlier
Hitchcock film.
Speaker 3: It's interesting that this was when was this film nineteen
sixty four or sixty.
Speaker 1: Three, and I think Spellbound is forties, So.
Speaker 3: This is right at the like the height of mk Ultra, right, M.
Speaker 1: Kiltra is kicking in pretty heavy right around this time.
You're absolutely right, and Hitchcock was working with like British intelligence,
probably elements of American intelligence as well. But keep in
mind that north By Northwest is the first film, one
of the first films notorious, and north By Northwest or
the first to mention OSS and CIA there are I
think there's one reference before.
Speaker 3: Those too.
Speaker 1: But I mean again, Hitchcock has to be in the
know because you know, you watched north By Northwest and
he's talking about this. No one knew what the CIA
was when North Northwest came out.
Speaker 3: Because Sean Connery's character kind of seems like this. He
basically is playing kind of a spy or like a
film noir detective. But right, but a different version of
it looks slightly it's just a slight twist on the
film noir detective character. Is Coy's role film.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's functioning like a so spellbound? Was Gregory Peck?
And was that?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong? But isn't that? Yeah, that's Hitchcock. Yeah,
it's Gregory Peck is playing a hospital director, doctor Constant
Peterson ingrid Bergman, a psychoanalyst discovers Edwards is actually an
imposter and they can't figure out why this is happening.
But it's because he's got alternate identities. He's slipping into
his alternate state anyway. Also interesting, Uh. He notices that
Marnie when she's she has these nightmares because the memories
are bubbling up in the dream state. This is the
young Yon element here. This is why young will focus
on dream analysis is because he thinks that the truths
right will be you know, will come to the four
in in in dream analysis from the from the subconscious
m m hm yeah.
Speaker 3: And then the whole film kind of has like a
psycho and analytic totally. Connery is essentially her her analyst,
helping to cycle analyze her to free her from the
shackles of her previous trauma. But a spoiler alert, psychoanalysis
doesn't free anybody from trauma. Really, it just rearrays the
deck chair.
Speaker 1: It just forces the person to confront the suppressed event.
Like if there was a trauma event that was suppressed
and put into you could say, a compartmentalized alternate persona
in the mind, stored away like a hidden file in
the computer, you could.
Speaker 3: Say, yeah, access to the file.
Speaker 1: But then what all this kind of stuff can do,
right is through through understanding the triggers, access whatever the
event was. And so eventually Sean Connery, Uh, by the way,
it's interesting that she was she's really into horses because
autistic children, for whatever reason, seemed to do well with horses.
I don't know if there was any connection there or
known connection, but that was just an may have just
been the breaking breaking of the wild horse idea.
Speaker 3: But a lot of people who are traumatized, they do
tend to really relate with animals, right, They've been really
hurt by people and animals seem a lot more safe,
and you know, they're like a safe haven for them.
So it's it's kind of a cultural meme that you
see is look at all these cat moms and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1: Exactly right. She apparently attempted suicide at one point, after
presumably intimacy. The coetis that triggers her as as Sean
Connery spends more and more time with her, he starts
to figure out what's really going on. There's a book
at one point, he's reading Sexual Aberrations of the Criminal Female,
which is an interesting book. Another point, he's reading a
book about wild sea creatures, and so he just keeps
trying to study nature to figure out what's going on
with her. And he combines that with the Youngian psychoanalysis,
which is when he says he tells her, why don't
you read Crawl Young's Undiscovered Self, And she's like, I
don't want to read that. I'm not reading that. He
seems to have. Jamie thinks he has a Messiah complex
that he feels like he can save her for sure.
Speaker 3: I agree, yeah, And it starts from the beginning, right,
like he wants to he wants to tame the wild beasts,
and he he has this kind of predatory way of
quarnering her, right, and the way that he marries her,
he blackmails her to marry again, right, he catches her stealings,
He catches her, he calls out her grift and then
he says, many, either I'm not going to turn you in,
you're going to marry me, right, so he used he
schemes her. Yeah, his schemes are into marrying him. And Okay,
we're supposed to believe that he really does love her.
I guess, but he you know, maybe I guess he
kind of does have this complex and he does.
Speaker 1: He does like her, but I think that she the
movies presentation is that she will never be satisfied until
she finds a male that's dominant. Because she's smarter and
more clever and out winning everyone around her.
Speaker 3: Someone needs to beat her at her own her own
game exactly. Yeah, So that then that is what he does, right,
He beats her her game. He marries her. But that's
in like the first third of the film, isn't it,
the first act? Very early on, and then after after
that things kind of he starts to realize that she's
more damaged perhaps than he than he originally thought. And
what do you what do you make of the the
most controversial scene in the film, And it seems to
be like the if you search Marnie and you look
at some of the articles, they focus on the sex
act in the film, which isn't I don't remember it
being too raunchy. I don't remember it being too explicit,
and I don't remember it being violent at all. But
the way that a lot of people are writing about
this scene is that they say Sean Connery basically the
riped her. They say he he sexually assaulted her. And
they say that this film is about like rape culture
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But that's social justice thing. I mean, they'll say that
about anything. They'll said that about any old movie, that
it's all rape.
Speaker 3: Because there's a scene where Sean Connery like they're married
and they go on there on a cruise or something, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's like, she's like, I don't want intimacy,
and he's like I do.
Speaker 4: Want her to missure yeah, and then and she kind
of like freezes up a little bit, and then it's
like he's kissing her and she's like kind of kissing back,
but staring off blankly into space and then and if
you I swear, the tons of articles about like this
is toxic masculinity, Sean, this is all about like this
man of using this woman. I just thought that was
a really funny interpretation because I didn't. It just seemed
to me it's like she's so disconnected from inacy people.
Speaker 1: They're asking about, what's the connection between Hitchcock and Mkultra. Well,
if you read esther Hollywood one and two, I go
into that and the various connections that he had to
intelligence agencies. They did look at and study the reactions
of crowds to movies like Psycho because it's the first
slasher movie. Whether he was directly doing akulture, I don't
think there's necessarily and there could be evidence of that.
I've not seen any direct evidence that per se, but
it's entirely possible. New evidence of this kind of stuff
turns up all the time. Who knows. But I would say,
you could look at my book and then just go
and walk, because again, this stuff was the rage at
the time, right, so the the psychoanalysis stuff. At the
same time as seemingly Hitchcock is aware of the kind
of alternate personality MPD D id study that were going on?
If he's if he did Spellbound back in the forties,
then he knew what was going on to some some degree.
You know, he's got false flag type stuff in his movie.
So so Hitchcock knew what was going on to a
large degree in terms of how the world really works.
Speaker 3: Well, how about like just you know, all the Lookout
Mountain and all this stuff that was going on, the
Defense Department's involvement in Hollywood films, heavy involvement, So there
were you showed this in your work there. You can't
divorce psychological, psychological operations, Defense Department, War Department what it was.
Speaker 1: I guess, Yeah, Hitchcock did war propaganda films literally for
the British Ministry of Defense.
Speaker 3: That was one of any films at Did you do
any films at Lookout Mountain?
Speaker 1: Has that been everywhere? Well, Dave? Dave mentioned the directors
that did have full access to Winterland look At Mountain studios,
and I can't remember if I know Walt Disney has
mentioned as one of the directors with the other big
maybe Hitchcock at the time, I would not be surprised,
but I can't recall, I can check out.
Speaker 3: The title of this article, Martie Hitchcock's controversial exploration of
sexual violence and the complexity of a human psyche. I
saw this article after I saw the films, like, wait,
sexual violence, Where's the sexual violence in this film? It's
it's just interesting how it's how it's changed. I'm not
sure how it was interpreted back then, but when I
when I watched it, I didn't interpret there being any
sexual violence in the film. There was the scene where
you know, she was a little dissociative and he proceeded
to make love to the short Culvale.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you watch that movie, which I don't really
I'm not sure I believe. But the Anthony Hopkins movie
from a few years ago, where he played Hitchcock, it's
a it's a pretty good movie. I don't know how
accurate it is, but I mean in the movie, they
portray Hitchcock like he enjoyed traumatizing Tippy Hedron. So supposedly he,
you know, would would really try to freak the actresses
out because he got off on that. Who knows, I
don't know if that's true or not, but that that
Anthony Hopkins plays Hitchcock pretty awesomely in that that movie
portrayal of Hitch.
Speaker 3: Looks like a weird man. He does look like a
weird I.
Speaker 1: Mean he he said he was like obsessed with Tippy
Hedron's beehive and her blonde be like he had some
kind of weird obsession of her blonde be but uh,
but yeah. Eventually, Marnie is constantly triggered. I mean, she's
like starting to she's starting to break down, right, Like
everything's triggering her. Stacks of cash, you know, making it
rain stacks of cash trigger her. The horrorse triggers her.
Everything triggers Marnie, and so eventually, uh, Sean Connery figures out,
all right, we got to take her back to uncover
these repressed memories. Right, There's something is going on. He
takes her back to mom's house, and because it keeps
relating back to the mom and he there's this huge
dramatic confrontation. Marnie goes into her child Alter starts talking
like a kid. The Mom's trying to shut it all down,
and I don't want to talk to you. We can't
get out of my house, and then he immediately knocks.
He keeps doing the triggers on purpose so that Marnie
will spill what's going on as the child alter and
she does, and we come to find out. It's not
clear in the movie because I don't think that they
could make that clear. But obviously it's implying that she
was molested by her mom was a prostitute, and one
of the guys, the sailor, molested Marnie.
Speaker 3: That's why these physically abused are violently abused are probably included.
Speaker 1: Well, no, it says I don't like him kissing on
me mom, that's implying that a molested her.
Speaker 3: I must have missed that line. I must have been
tired at the end of it. Yeah, the scene where
this was all revealed was kind of funny too. Like
it it did get it did. The direction and the
editing I think kind of deteriorated for that scene where
it was like where she's breaking down, It got a
little hokey there, but it's.
Speaker 1: It's much like the breakdown sequences in Vertigo. There's a
really similar sequence there with Jimmy Stewart and Vertigo. That's
pretty funny. But yeah, and the reason she's sugared by
Red is that her mom grabbed a fire place poker
and beat the navy dude until he was bleeding, and like.
Speaker 11: All Sean Connery had to do was like like get
in her face, Martie, tell me where you are described
the she that's you're crashing too, and you start dictates
it all and it's like it was kind of corny,
how just like all of a sudden, the floodgates open
and she like automatically dictates the I thought that was
kind of it was.
Speaker 3: Well directed until that point. And that's a really hard
thing to get across. So you can't can't can't blame
Hitchcock too much. It was a hard scene too well.
Speaker 1: And so the in conclusion then it's there's also an
element of generational trauma here, right, So even though this
is not a situation of like satanic elite families that
keep the drama the trauma going, it's implied that's the
same principle there of generational trauma because the mom then
sits down and tells her sob story of how she
was I don't know, raped or something or the guy
ran off, and that's where Marnie comes from. And Marnie
never knew her father, and so since there was no
father figure. The redneck mom is like, well, I ain't
never had nothing of my own, and so I always
just wanted to make sure that I had my Marnie,
And so she didn't want Marnie to ever move on
to find a husband, and so she instilled in Marnie
that men are just evil psychopaths. So it was all
this this perpetuating generational cycle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and yeah, what about Sean Connery's character, You know,
where does he fit in that? Because he seems like
he kind of I don't know, he was kind of
predatory in the way that he came about You know,
what do you want to call it? Marrying Marty and
all this?
Speaker 1: You know, he definitely I mean, you wouldn't marry a
completely psychotic woman. It's just kind of like who would.
Speaker 3: Right, Like you find the most screwed up woman that right, right,
the most crazy, manipulative, screwed up woman, thieving, conniving woman
who's lying to everybody like I want to marry you
just didn't.
Speaker 1: Make well, he's a rich guy who is interested in
these psychological adventures, right, I mean, this is a element
of it. No rich guy would be this like goofy
and stupid, But they.
Speaker 3: Should have made Sean Connery like this, you know, like
an intelligence agency cult leader or something, and he tries
to bring her into his hair, so you know, blackmail
politicians or something that would.
Speaker 1: Have been I'll tell you if you want a Hitchcock
movie that's almost like that is if you watch Notorious,
Ingrid bergman gets roped into being a sexual spy and
her handler, I think it's Kerry Grant. He manipulates her
like that.
Speaker 3: So Carry Grant, I mean, he's kind of central in
the whole MK ultra thing too, because he was getting
dosed up with LSD. Was he was taking more acid
than anyone and he was a mess like but it did.
He's he attributed a lot of psychological healing to LSD.
But then when you look at his biography, this dude
was an abusive, psychotic madness.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of weird stuff going on with Carry Grant,
for sure, And I think even that even comes up
in it's even hinted at in the the Cole McLaughlin
plays him in a movie about Carry Grant. That's that
even is hinted at there.
Speaker 3: But Howard Cloughlin's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays in perfect It's pretty wild how much
they I mean, he like literally becomes carry Grant's kind
of creepy. But I highly recommend, by the way, Tristan,
if you've not now when you especially with what's going
on in the toxic culture nowadays, you know, Caitlyn Jenner
level stuff, go watch Psycho because, uh, Norman Bates is
also a multiple personality. Uh and the the alternate personality
is the crazy mom. It's it's wild to go watch
this now.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to go. But I think I saw,
like back in the day, the remake of Psycho with
what's I.
Speaker 1: Mean, trust me now with what we know now about
like like alternate personalities and trauma, mind control and k ultra,
And now that we know that Hitchcock, if not if
not being involved in it, at least had like insight
into all this going on. Now when you watch his movies,
it's like, whoa dude, there's actually like Psycho is telling
you more than that, Vertigo is telling you more than that.
They all have this theme. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Did didn't Hitchcock direct Zoolander? No, I'm just kidding, But
that's that's another another theme, like a modern theme. With
a lot of the you know, MPD uh type themes.
I'm trying to think of other films that have that
same MPD stuff. A lot of superhero films.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a ton of like, you know, I mean,
longst good Night conspiracy theory, Mel Gibson Captain America, Winter Soldier,
Resident Evil. I mean, you can go down the Ventchuring Candidate.
I mean, there's a whole bunch of like just a
slew of m klter themed movies. But yeah, this Hitchcock
kicks it all.
Speaker 3: The Vanchurian Candidate. The same actor who plays MPD Norman
Bates in the reboot of Psycho plays the Venturian candidate
in the reboot of The Venturian Candidate.
Speaker 1: Mmmm. Interesting. Let's take a few super chats here. We
got a few people who subscribed. I don't really know
what it means when people subscribe on stream labs, but
I guess thank you one dollar by Rebucus Rebuke Satan.
He says I made a Doctor Gregor imitation on my
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the laugh and thank you for the inspiration. We'll thank you,
Rebuke Satan. Will definitely check out that. Uh so Tristan
if you want to look at rebuke Satan three one six.
He says his YouTube channel has a funny imitation of
doctor Gregor, so I'm sure check that out here.
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We know we had some glitches, but thought I thought
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he says, can you do an impression of Oprah? I
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Speaker 3: You kicked YouTube were doing blackface.
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estrogens so genes.
Speaker 3: Well, there is another another thing you mentioned gaslighting earlier.
We're being told that because of the terrible uh the sickness,
you're going to get the sickness like like disturbed if
you don't want to get down with the sickness, you
should take estrogen replacement.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right there they telling you that. Uh.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, the vegan diet, right, you
need a vegan diet.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well because that it's because we need animals.
That people are war zone, literal.
Speaker 1: War zone, because it's all from eating bats meat meat.
Speaker 3: But you also you get told that toxic masculinity is
kind of the root of a lot of this too,
because people are refusing to wear masks, right, the toxically
masculine people are refusing to wear their muzzles. And another way,
the World Economic Forum and I retweeted this the other day.
World Economic Forum the other day had a tweet it
said well being, global well being went down, and they
showed a little graph with lines on it. Global well
being decreased during the COVID crisis, but improved during lockdown.
So there's like straighten it, well being decreased during whatever
the crisis, but improved during the lockdown. So as people
are seeing the suicide rates go crazy, people are seeing
you know.
Speaker 1: This is a good thing about underdetermination of data and
conflicting stats. So people are oh, just.
Speaker 6: Look at the studies just look at the studies, look
at the data.
Speaker 1: Like what you do when there's conflicting data and stats.
There's no a right thing that tells you what to do.
Speaker 3: The experts do. You got to listen to the pope.
Speaker 1: So what do we do when the experts disagree? Oh well,
you just follow whatever the majority experts are said to say,
which is all nonsense.
Speaker 3: But it's just whatever whatever the you know may establishment
tells you exactly.
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Go listen to that interview if you guys missed it,
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and Heresy stream that I planned to do last night,
but I couldn't get YouTube to do right with linking
it with OBS, so I'll be doing that in the
next hour or two. I'm not trying to cut in
on anybody's streams.
Speaker 3: So dang jay double streaming two streams in one day.
I haven't even done a stream of two weeks. You
can do two in one day.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's what happens when you get owned
as a gas lighter, and is that you flee. You
flee to your to the to the closet in your
mud igloot closet.
Speaker 3: I had a lot of why do people keep telling
me I'm in a closet? I don't get it? Like,
what is this my whole life?
Speaker 1: People just don't even know.
Speaker 3: I don't get like people always telling me I'm living
in a closet. I don't like, come out of the closet, Like,
what is that?
Speaker 1: Even Christian's in that closet, He's he's hunkered down, huffing
that we that he's doing that gas lighting in that
big gandolf pipe. He's got that gosli like he's doing that.
Speaker 3: Grass lighting hit a gassliking there's a there's a funny
cliff I had at the end of a recent edit
of This Lady. She's a social psychologist and a lecturer
in the UK, and she's also a She runs a
vegan activist channel, which by activist I mean she makes
vegan YouTube drama gras By by vegan activism. She does
critique videos of my videos. That's her activism. But she
did this video or she's talking about.
Speaker 12: If the con is the join to go light you
and they've tried to befriend you, they've tried to pretend
like they're your friends, and they'll tell you that the veganism,
the ideas of veganism is wrong. And telling a vegan
that they've been brainwashed, that's gaslighted.
Speaker 3: That's one of my favorite clips of these these vegans
that I've put in my little compilations is is that
one social psychologist, Michelle Low gaslighting her audience, telling the
audience that they're being gaslighted by non vegans. Classic classic.
Speaker 1: Well, everybody, be sure and follow Tristan. I've got his
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If you don't already follow him, be sure and get
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me on. It's been it's been a pleasure. We got
we still have to do Utopia. I gotta I gotta.
Speaker 1: Watch them one so I gotta get back to season two.
Speaker 3: Season two starts with a bang the season. The first
episode of season two is one of the better episodes
of the series. I think because it's a little different.
I think you'll like it, especially considering your your scholar
and the work you've done over the years. It ties
in with all that you dig it.
Speaker 1: Cool beans, man, Thanks, have a good evening and I
will talk to you soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah,