WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.080 In one instance on this show, someone was asked about 2 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:05.799 the fentanyl crisis in West Virginia, and within twenty seconds, 3 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.400 the guest turned it into it's Israel's fault and got 4 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:11.240 I'm like, you got to stop, okay, Like the problem 5 00:00:11.279 --> 00:00:14.199 of opiates may come from China, but when we're talking 6 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:17.320 about heroin abuse in West Virginia, we're talking about jobs, 7 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:19.559 the white working class being left behind, the loss of 8 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:22.320 the coal mines and things like this, and all of 9 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:23.679 a sudden're talking about Israel. 10 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:25.519 Who did it? All? That's derangement. 11 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:29.199 So last night my good friend Timpole had Randy Fine 12 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:33.079 on his show, a man I hesitate to call him 13 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:36.439 a man, a man who I was about to run 14 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:39.880 for Congress against. It's true. I was seriously considering it. 15 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:41.560 I was talking to people in DC. I was about 16 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:44.640 to do it. So of course I tuned in and 17 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:46.880 I was like, well, this is going to be a banger. 18 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:49.880 There's going to be some real contentious issues here. There's 19 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:53.359 got to be some contention. There has to be. There 20 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:56.320 was not, And as I'm sitting there as the clock 21 00:00:56.560 --> 00:01:00.000 ticks to two hours, I'm like, this is the most 22 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:03.039 frustrating thing I've ever watched in my life, and I 23 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:06.959 am now inspired to counter all of the terrible arguments 24 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:09.319 that were put forward. Now, Tim was good enough to 25 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:13.840 distinguish between those that have genuine criticisms of our foreign 26 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:18.599 policy and our relationship with Israel, to make sure that 27 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:21.400 he was being clear he's not talking about all of 28 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:25.719 us when he's basically saying everybody's got Israel derangement syndrome. Now, 29 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:29.519 but I felt like, okay, well, if you think that 30 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:32.799 the Dave Smith libertarian camp, which I'm obviously a part of, 31 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:38.400 have valid criticisms, let's make those counters. Since none of you, 32 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:42.280 the entire panel, was capable of making any of them, 33 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:45.319 as Randy Fine lied to your audience. So I pulled 34 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:47.920 about ten clips that drove me absolutely up the wall, 35 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:52.640 and I'm going to dismantle and devour these terrible arguments. 36 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:55.400 So we're going to take it chronologically. First off, the 37 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:59.640 first hour was all just basically like Boomer con garbage 38 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:03.599 in my humble opinion, basically going after Hassan Piker and 39 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:06.920 Fine like there's no disagreement with any of the first hour. 40 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:09.960 The second hour is where things really got off the rails, 41 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:13.000 and I felt as if I was compelled. It was 42 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.599 a demand of me to counter this nonsense. 43 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:20.960 So here we go my question for you, with Tucker 44 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:23.919 and Megan Kelly and condos owns and many formerly big 45 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:27.759 Trump supporters breaking for Trump from Trump on principally the 46 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:31.639 issue of Iran, but also the issue of our alliance 47 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:35.159 and support for Israel. You have right now the left 48 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:39.319 and elements of the right unified in just hating Israel. 49 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:43.599 I don't know how the Republican Party, to be fair, 50 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:45.960 the Democrats have also are also divided on this as well. 51 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:48.520 The older Democrats are much much more pro Israel. But 52 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:52.080 with Trump losing support for this reason, how do Republicans 53 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:54.400 actually even win with that sentiment in play? 54 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:54.960 Well? 55 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:57.680 I think it's not that they're unified in hating Israel. 56 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:00.120 I think it's that they're unified in hating Jews, and 57 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:03.560 Israel's just a vehicle that they use to do that. Look, 58 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:06.280 Israel is the best ally that we have. Israel's the 59 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:09.919 only country that is out there that doesn't ask us 60 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:11.680 to fight their wars for them. 61 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:13.039 So we start off with a banger. 62 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:17.599 Israel is the only ally that does not ask us 63 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:23.759 to fight their wars for them. What so all of 64 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:26.439 the Middle East wars were not on behalf of Israel 65 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:28.800 at all. They weren't even to the benefit of Israel 66 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:34.400 a smidge, just a pinch. No, No, these were all 67 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:38.319 obviously our own wars. That's why we fought Saddam Hussein 68 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:41.520 in Iraq after nine to eleven. What did he have 69 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:43.960 to do with Iraq or with nine to eleven? Nothing? 70 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:48.680 Nothing at all, but sure, sure Israel is our greatest 71 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:51.439 ally they never ask us to fight their wars. Now, 72 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.319 I appreciate the fact that Tim was willing to acknowledge that, yes, 73 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:57.159 this divide is making it impossible for the GOP to 74 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:00.599 win my argument. For my counter argument, I respond to you, Tim, 75 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:04.039 would be why do you think that is why after 76 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:06.360 three years of this or two and a half years 77 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:10.560 since this war began, are you still incapable of understanding 78 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:12.599 your opposition's perspective? 79 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:13.919 Why is that? 80 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:16.839 Why have you been able to have Dave Smith or 81 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:20.680 Scott Horton or myself on your show multiple times? I've 82 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:23.000 been on I think a dozen times. I'm sure David 83 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.279 Scott are comparable. Why is it that you still can't 84 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:29.920 you can't even steal man a position by which we 85 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:34.800 might actually be genuinely upset about our relationship with Israel 86 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:37.920 and the militarism that has come as a consequence of that. 87 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.759 And what makes so little sense to me is that 88 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.879 Tim comes from the left. He was like a moderate 89 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:48.839 Democrat covering the Occupy Wall Street movement, and then he 90 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:53.120 became more conservative, more right wing, and then he became 91 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:57.240 full on maga, like you can't even I think he's 92 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.600 anti war, which is the strangest thing about all this, 93 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:02.480 and we're going to get into some clips about that later. 94 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:05.920 But when it comes to the Ukraine issue, Tim is 95 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:09.480 the first to agree with us, and proudly so that yes, 96 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:14.000 our aid to Ukraine and the militarism that has come 97 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:17.000 from that conflict has not been to our benefit, has 98 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:19.839 been a massive drain on this country. Why can you 99 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:22.839 not see the same argument being made when it comes 100 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:26.600 to Israel and all of their wars and just go okay, yeah, 101 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:27.839 both rational arguments. 102 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:31.279 Why do you think that we should continue funding providing 103 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:31.959 funding to Israel? 104 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:35.120 And we provide so interestingly, we provide about three and 105 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.120 a half billion dollars a year to Israel, but we 106 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:39.160 actually don't give Israel any money. That's one of the 107 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:41.839 big misnomers. What we do is we give Israel three 108 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:45.800 and a half billion dollars of America and made military equipment. 109 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.360 So we give them stuff that makes American jobs and 110 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:51.920 we give it to them. It's been estimated that what 111 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:55.360 Israel gives us in return for that is worth ten 112 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:56.319 times as much. 113 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:56.720 Lorie. 114 00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:57.279 What do we get? 115 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.800 We get intelligence gathering? Kidding what I said, Ramis is good, 116 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:03.480 rhmis is good, but we get intelligence gathering. 117 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.839 So of course Randy Fine fires off an overt lie 118 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:10.439 and nobody counters it. But in fact, you can look 119 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:12.959 this up. The aid that we have given to Israel 120 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:14.600 over the past two and a half years has been 121 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:18.839 about twenty three billion dollars. That does not include the 122 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:23.720 cost of our military, which is obviously astronomical going to 123 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:27.240 the Middle East and firing off tons of missiles against Iran, 124 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:31.160 but also firing off interceptor missiles to defend Israel as 125 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:34.360 they provoke and attack all of their neighbors. We're talking 126 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:37.160 tens and tens and tens of billions of dollars on 127 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:41.120 top of the twenty three billion that we have given 128 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:43.519 to them an aid. So you already know that you're 129 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.720 dealing with the dishonest broker. You already know that if 130 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:49.560 someone who's going to downplay it and say, oh, we're 131 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:51.319 just giving them three billion a year, as if that's 132 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:53.680 not a lot of money, but sitting aside, yeah, compared 133 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:57.560 to our total national budget annually, three billion isn't a 134 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:00.800 lot of money. However, it's not even close to the 135 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.360 totality of what we give them. It's not even close 136 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:06.839 to the trillion dollars that's the estimate of what we've 137 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:09.560 spent on the global war on tear. If you actually 138 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.319 have done any research, if you've actually read or listened 139 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.079 to Scott Horton or Dave Smith, or myself or Tom Woods, 140 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:17.480 or go down the line. There's so many people, so 141 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:19.920 many people have laid this out for you as to 142 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.600 the expenditures that have come as a consequence of our 143 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:26.639 relationship to Israel, our greatest ally. Right, But if you're 144 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:28.680 going to be honest about it, if you're going to 145 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.759 have an honest debate and discussion about it, be honest 146 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:36.000 about the facts. How much have we actually expended in 147 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:39.879 our defense of our greatest ally, And don't get it twisted, 148 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:42.879 it has been in their defense. It has been to 149 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:48.319 their benefit. Why have we spent over a trillion dollars 150 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:51.920 over the past twenty five years to defend a nation 151 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:54.600 in the Middle East the size of New Jersey. Why 152 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:57.759 have we done that? Make that argument? And if you 153 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:01.160 can't make that argument compelling enough to justify a trillion 154 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:03.680 plus and expenditures, not to mention the thousands of soldiers 155 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:05.879 that died, well, then maybe you don't have a good 156 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:06.959 argument at all. 157 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.040 President Trump wants to build the Golden Dome. Where do 158 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:12.639 you think that the technology for the Golden Dome contry? 159 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:13.120 They do a lot. 160 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:15.680 The other thing is Israel is the beta test site 161 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:18.600 because they're always in a war. They're the beta test 162 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:21.600 site for so many of our weapons. So we give 163 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:24.160 them to them and then their soldiers use them. It's 164 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:26.800 estimated for every dollar we give them, we don't give 165 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.000 them any Every dollar of our equipment we get ten back. 166 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:32.960 Now are they purchasing at them just so we buy 167 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:34.879 the three and a half we when they say three pop. 168 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:37.320 We buy three and a half billion dollars of our 169 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:40.360 stuff from American military companies, and then we give it 170 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:40.679 to them. 171 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:43.279 We don't give them any there's no check, give. 172 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:45.840 It and there you have it. The truth comes out, well, 173 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:49.159 at least a partial truth, at least a partial truth that, 174 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:51.240 in fact, yeah, we're not giving them the three and 175 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:55.080 a half billion dollars annually. We buy weapons from our 176 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:58.399 military industrial complex and then we give the weapons to them. 177 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:00.879 So are we giving them three and a half billion 178 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:04.159 dollars in cash? No, We're funneling three and a half 179 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:08.240 billion dollars in cash annually into our weapons contractors and 180 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:12.720 then giving those weapons for free. So, in fact, yes, 181 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:15.000 we are giving three and a half billion dollars worth 182 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.279 of weapons to Israel annually, and that doesn't even come 183 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.600 close to the totality of it. As I've already laid out. 184 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:23.519 The other tidbit of truth he accidentally let slip there 185 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:28.320 was that he says they're the biggest benefit we get 186 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:31.320 is that it's basically a weapons testing ground for us. 187 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:34.320 That they take our most advanced weapons and they use 188 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:37.159 them on the battlefield. And why does he say, because 189 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:38.440 they're always at war? 190 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:41.399 The other thing is Israel is the beta test site 191 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:44.480 because they're always in a war, always. 192 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:46.360 At or with their neighbors, is what he says, which 193 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:50.639 is true. Thank you for being honest, But why why 194 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:54.240 are they always at war with their neighbors. Why do 195 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:57.000 we consider them an ally if they can't ever get 196 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:00.200 along with anybody around them? Why do we ignore the 197 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.759 obvious negative consequences that come from having a relationship with 198 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.440 a nation that is constantly at war with a billion 199 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.519 neighboring Muslims. Why do we look at Germany's militarism in 200 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:15.240 the lead up and then during World War Two and say, oh, well, 201 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:18.559 they are obviously the provocateur and obviously the problem. But 202 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:23.240 when Israel does it, we all go no, it's somehow 203 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:26.759 different the fact that they've been at war with, or 204 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:36.440 at least very antagonistic with, all of their nations around them, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey. 205 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:40.399 I mean, the list is it's a mile long. Because yeah, 206 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.159 he's right, they're always at war with their neighbors. Can 207 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.960 we at least evaluate whether or not being greatest allies 208 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:50.159 with a country that is constantly at war is to 209 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:53.840 our benefit? Can that question at least be put on 210 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:57.759 the table without me being accused of being some hateful bigot? 211 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:01.519 Do you think sincere quot to U Tim, do you 212 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:05.039 think that if Japan, who's also an ally of ours. 213 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:08.960 If Japan was constantly at war over the past twenty 214 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:11.399 five years, if they were dragging us into a war 215 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:14.639 with I don't know, North Korea, China and a bunch 216 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:17.480 of other countries that surround them are near them, would 217 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:21.519 I not be just as angry about our relationship to 218 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:25.000 Japan as I am to Israel? And can you not 219 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:28.519 see the obvious difference? Can you not see that because 220 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:32.279 Japan is not some imperial empire that's constantly trying to 221 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:36.200 conquer their neighbors, that I don't have the same anger 222 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:39.879 about our relationship to Japan as I do to Israel. 223 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:42.919 Is that not rational? Is that not justifiable? Is that 224 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:46.159 not logical? I think it's all of the above, which 225 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:49.080 makes it very hard to counter my position when I 226 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:51.960 say that I don't think our relationship to Israel is 227 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:54.200 to our benefit. So you have to strawm in it. 228 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:57.960 You have to bring up the most zany out there, 229 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:00.639 people who don't know anything, who haven't read anything, who 230 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.360 don't actually understand all of the detriments that have come 231 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:06.440 from a relationship to Israel, so they make bad arguments, 232 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:08.919 and then instead of taking on the good arguments that 233 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.759 come from our camp you take on the bad arguments, 234 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:15.559 and then you use that to dismiss the broader counter 235 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:18.519 argument that you don't want to contend with in your perspective. 236 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:20.840 What is the reason why so many people right now 237 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:23.799 have turned and have become anti Israel. 238 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:25.720 I think there's a couple of reasons. I think on 239 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:30.399 the left there's an obsession with the underdog, so if 240 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:34.960 you're more in worse shape, you must therefore be good. 241 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:37.679 It's part of the obsession with illegal immigrants. And so 242 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:40.759 people look at Israel's this strong, successful country and all 243 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:43.799 these poor, sorry people around it, so therefore they must 244 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:44.080 be good. 245 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:45.720 In Israel must be bad. That's number one. 246 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:46.000 I think. 247 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.480 Number two, I think that unfortunately, when something goes wrong 248 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:53.480 in people's lives, they look for someone to blame. 249 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:55.639 You know, if I weigh a little. 250 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:57.320 Bit too much, it's not my fault, it must be because 251 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:00.039 the restaurant feeds me too much. And I think I 252 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:02.279 think Jews are an easy target if your life isn't good. 253 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:04.480 I think it's been that way for thousands of years. 254 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:08.399 I call it the Israel derangement syndrome. 255 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:11.000 Yep. And I think the third reason there is a 256 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:14.919 ton of foreign money that is out there funding this 257 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:15.639 sort of stuff. 258 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.159 I'm gonna leave point one aside because I'm not of 259 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:20.840 the left, so I'll let them defend their own position 260 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.639 on not loving Israel. But i will say, when it 261 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:27.679 comes to number two, people look for a scapegoat. Let's 262 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:30.559 first think of the irony that comes with an argument 263 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.679 from a guy like Randy Fine, a man who portrays 264 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:38.679 almost not all, but almost all disagreement when it comes 265 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:42.679 to our relationship with Israel as somehow being anti Semitic 266 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:44.919 or bigoted or hateful. Are you not coming up with 267 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:48.519 a scapegoat to try and excuse your own struggles, your 268 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.039 own downfall, your own shortcomings, your own problems in life 269 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.480 that you want to make sure that they defend Israel 270 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:57.639 in perpetuity, no matter the expenditure, no matter the cost 271 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:01.159 of American lives, no matter the detrimental effects that it 272 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:03.600 has on the American people. But you're coming up with 273 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:05.879 a whole bunch of excuses so that you don't have 274 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:08.240 to deal with the genuine art arguments here. Are you 275 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:10.840 not creating a scapegoat to avoid the reality that some 276 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:13.799 people genuinely just don't like it because they've killed tens 277 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:15.799 of thousands of children over the past couple of years. 278 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:18.279 Is that not creating a scapegoat? When you call us 279 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:21.559 the woke Right or the woke Reich, are you not 280 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:24.360 creating a scapegoat? Are you not actually trying to deflect 281 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:26.799 from the discussion at hand? And then, of course, the 282 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:29.360 last claiming makes is that there's a ton of foreign 283 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.360 money out there that's funding this stuff. Has there ever 284 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:38.000 ever been any evidence of that ever sincere question? Because 285 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:41.240 I've looked, I haven't found any I can tell you 286 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:45.159 for a fact, hand on my heart, No, I'm not 287 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.000 being funded actually by anybody other than you guys who 288 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.200 support me through my locals account or through subscriptions and 289 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.720 things like that. So no, it's not happening. It's like, 290 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.440 at least on my end, it's certainly not happening. But 291 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:01.879 when it comes to Israel paying for propaganda in my country, 292 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:05.240 I have hard proof of that. The Esther project, which 293 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:07.600 I did an entire episode on. Are you going to 294 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:10.519 contend with that? Does it not seem as if it's 295 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:14.840 just deflection and projection, that you're not actually conned contending 296 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:18.000 with the fact that there's genuine anger and disagreement here 297 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:21.000 about our relationship to Israel that is not being bought 298 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:24.879 and paid for. Does anyone on the panel ask Congressman 299 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:29.720 Fine if he has any evidence of American political commentators 300 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:34.159 or bot networks or whatever actually being created and funded 301 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:37.559 through foreign governments to try and get us to not 302 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:40.480 like Israel. Is there any evidence of it at all? 303 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:42.919 The answer is no, and. 304 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:45.080 The Free Press, notably, I mean, Barry Weiss is is 305 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:48.120 an avowed and proud Zionist, and even her publication points 306 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:50.440 out that there's a there's a there's an extremist settler 307 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:51.559 problem in the West Bank. 308 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.320 Do you think that, like, how do how do we 309 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:56.000 how do we parse through this? 310 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:59.279 I agree with you, there's foreign funding promoting individuals who 311 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:01.480 say the stupidest thing about Israel. But then there are 312 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:06.320 stories like this where my libertarian friends are not coming 313 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:09.360 to me and saying stupid conspiracy nonsense. They're saying things 314 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:09.600 like this. 315 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:10.080 Yep. 316 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:13.360 So I got really excited during this segment because I 317 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:16.840 was like, finally they're going to actually deal with the 318 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:20.080 valid complaints that exist out there, because there are many. 319 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:23.639 And he brings up an article about the violent settlers 320 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:25.639 in the West Bank, and I'm like, Okay, he's going 321 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:27.879 to actually get into it, but then the framing of 322 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:30.720 the question already tells me where this is going. He says, 323 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:32.120 how do we deal with this? How do we like, 324 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:33.720 how do we parse this? Contend with this? 325 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:36.080 How do we how do we parse through this? 326 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.840 It's like, are you asking Randy Fine for talking points 327 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:44.639 on how to basically write off what is honest reporting 328 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:48.039 that you have very violent Israeli settlers that go into 329 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:50.480 the West Bank and steal property and have been doing 330 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:53.240 so for decades and worse than that, He says, I 331 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:54.759 agree with you on the foreign funding. 332 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.960 Why I agree with you there's foreign funding promoting individual 333 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:01.480 to say the stupidest things about Israel. 334 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:04.319 Why do you agree with him that there's foreign funding 335 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:08.960 that is creating animosity towards Israel in America? How do 336 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:11.839 you know that? I've heard him say it a dozen times. 337 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.680 I've never seen any proof. He's never proffered any proof, 338 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:16.160 has anybody. 339 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:19.039 This is a legitimate issue that people should have concerned about. 340 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:22.880 But the most pernicious form of anti Semitism is when 341 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:27.480 when every other country does it, it doesn't bother you, 342 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:31.519 but when Israel does it, you lose your mind. 343 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.200 I mean this part drove me absolutely up the fucking wall. 344 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:36.799 He says, Yeah, this is a legitimate issue that you 345 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:40.000 should be concerned about. That's it, and then he immediately 346 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:43.079 pivots to this is the most pernicious form of anti 347 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:46.640 Semitism because you're only bothered by it when Israel does it. 348 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:49.880 You're only bothered by it when our greatest ally steals 349 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:54.839 land from people. Well, first off, no, I'm not, I 350 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:58.559 like probably the mostly like early on in my career, 351 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:00.359 if you want to call it, that, the most viral 352 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:03.640 clip I had that went around was me laying out 353 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.559 the history of America's intervention and expansion of NATO that 354 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.319 led to Russia invading Ukraine and how I was opposed 355 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.240 to all of it. So, yeah, stealing land from your 356 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:19.319 neighbors via violence is bad always. But moreover, even if 357 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:23.119 people only know about Israel stealing land and they don't 358 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:27.160 know about or focus on other nations doing it, that's 359 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:32.519 still a valid complaint. If you don't know or care 360 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:36.759 about Russia, Ukraine or any other war going on in 361 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:39.480 the world, but you say you see and you know 362 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:42.319 about because of the media environment, you've just seen it. 363 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:44.640 More that this is like the one thing that you 364 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:47.599 really know about and you really care about. That's still fine. 365 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.240 That's still not anti semitism. It's not hateful to say, hey, 366 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:55.880 stop killing innocent people and taking their land. That is 367 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:59.519 always the principal position to have, even if you don't 368 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.400 apply it too stories that you aren't as focused on 369 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:05.319 what kind of a fucking defense is that it's not 370 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:06.400 a defense at all. 371 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.000 But they should talk about all of the other bad things. 372 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:14.640 I agree, and that so this is true. But when 373 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:18.559 people obsess about this to the exclusion of all of 374 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:20.759 the others, that is the direct. 375 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.400 No one hears about Christians being slaughtered in Africa right now, 376 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:26.119 and I would always i would say, it's really interesting. 377 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:29.640 There was that image that was all over the internet 378 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:34.839 about a week ago where an IDF soldier had removed 379 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:39.119 chopped a cruise, which is horrible, disgusting, But of course 380 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:43.000 that image went viral overnight. Well, no one cares about 381 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.680 the fact that in Europe now there's an attempt to 382 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:50.519 basically undermine Christian iconography by a lot of immigrants. 383 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:51.960 There No one cares about that. 384 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:53.960 You can imagine me watching this show and I'm just 385 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:57.480 like I'm sitting at home, like someone's gonna say something 386 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:01.000 about how stupid all of this is, right, Ian Crossland's 387 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.200 going to happen at some point. He did once or twice, 388 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:06.160 but it was very, very minor pushback. But what's so 389 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:09.279 frustrating about it is that it's just an obvious lie. 390 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:14.240 People have been talking about the downfall of Europe for 391 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:18.000 a very long time now, like it's pervasive, especially an 392 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:22.079 online culture. People talk about it NonStop. So obviously that's 393 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:26.799 just a deception. It's just a misdirect. People don't care. Yeah, sure, 394 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:29.119 I guess people don't care so much about the Christians 395 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:32.519 in Africa. But guess what, neither do any of you. 396 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:34.440 You don't talk about it. You don't know anything about it. 397 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:35.839 You don't know the details of it, you don't know 398 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:38.240 what led up to it, you don't know anything about it. 399 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:41.000 You don't know about American intervention in Africa, you don't 400 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:44.079 know about how that has created conflict in those nations, 401 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:46.440