WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.850 --> 00:00:01.790 That's no moon. 2 00:00:03.149 --> 00:00:31.100 It's a space station. Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. 3 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:34.820 A few things before we get started. For one, our 4 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:39.149 new documentary is now available on Fossum. Fossum is a 5 00:00:39.250 --> 00:00:41.909 streaming app that can be found on Roku TV, but 6 00:00:41.950 --> 00:00:44.929 you can download it on any smart device. And it's 7 00:00:45.329 --> 00:00:49.090 now featuring our new Secret Space Program documentary, which features 8 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:53.920 Tony Rodriguez, who is an SSP experiencer we've interviewed many times, 9 00:00:53.979 --> 00:00:57.030 and he is going to be telling us about where 10 00:00:57.070 --> 00:01:00.229 his research has led him since he's left the program, 11 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:04.719 and he's found himself in some pretty interesting areas regarding 12 00:01:04.780 --> 00:01:06.939 remote viewing. So we're going to get into some of 13 00:01:06.980 --> 00:01:09.560 that today, but the documentary is now available, and if 14 00:01:09.579 --> 00:01:11.319 you guys want to go and watch it, you can 15 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:16.379 do so from the streaming app Fawesome. And Tony, you know, 16 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:19.840 that was an integral part of the film, and it 17 00:01:19.859 --> 00:01:21.659 took us a few years to put it all together. 18 00:01:21.700 --> 00:01:23.840 We finally got it out, and You know, when I 19 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:26.000 sent it to you, Tony, your feedback was amazing. I 20 00:01:26.030 --> 00:01:28.049 think some of your quotes that you sent me ended 21 00:01:28.129 --> 00:01:30.390 up into the movie trailer because it was just a 22 00:01:30.450 --> 00:01:33.269 genuine review, you know, so that was pretty cool. But, 23 00:01:34.109 --> 00:01:35.670 you know, what are your thoughts on that? I know 24 00:01:35.689 --> 00:01:37.849 it's something, you know, there's been many hit pieces and 25 00:01:37.909 --> 00:01:41.090 attacks on not just you personally, but the whole Secret 26 00:01:41.109 --> 00:01:44.299 Space program in general. So what were your thoughts when you, 27 00:01:44.379 --> 00:01:47.099 you know, watched the film finally and, you know, what's 28 00:01:47.180 --> 00:01:47.980 it looking like today? 29 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:51.359 I promise, Veronica, I'm not going to cry on Journey 30 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:55.469 to Truth. Yeah. So first, I'm happy to see you guys. 31 00:01:55.530 --> 00:01:57.900 It's been forever. And I love you guys. And you're 32 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:00.480 out there doing good stuff. And this is one of 33 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:07.159 my favorite groups of people here. No, you released it, like, 34 00:02:07.299 --> 00:02:11.500 I think a week after the Darcy Weir thing. Right. 35 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:13.699 And that wasn't intentional. I didn't even know. 36 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.539 Not intentional. And it was a trap. Like, Darcy Weir, 37 00:02:16.710 --> 00:02:19.389 he paid me 200 bucks to interview me. Maybe I'm 38 00:02:19.409 --> 00:02:22.580 out contractually. Shouldn't say that. But I was at the 39 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:26.819 San Jose conference, tech conference, me and Chris O'Connor. And 40 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:30.319 the whole conference was like under legal threats with Randy 41 00:02:30.370 --> 00:02:33.490 Kramer and Elena and Chris and me and Dr. Sala 42 00:02:33.750 --> 00:02:37.930 and forgetting John Charles and a few other people. And 43 00:02:38.009 --> 00:02:40.689 everybody was like, they slid us a contract to speak 44 00:02:40.729 --> 00:02:45.710 at this conference. And it said, you can't work together 45 00:02:45.750 --> 00:02:48.150 for two years. Everybody at this conference cannot work together 46 00:02:48.210 --> 00:02:49.449 for the next two years. And it was like a 47 00:02:49.490 --> 00:02:51.090 month before the first G-Stick. We were like, what? 48 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:52.219 What? 49 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:53.939 So in order, and he said, well, if you guys 50 00:02:53.990 --> 00:02:56.349 back out now, I've already spent, you know, a lot 51 00:02:56.389 --> 00:02:58.969 of money promoting it. I'm going to sue you guys 52 00:02:58.990 --> 00:03:01.610 to recoup. So me and Chris were like, well, we'll come. 53 00:03:01.849 --> 00:03:06.370 And then Dan Willis, rest his beautiful soul, did a 54 00:03:06.409 --> 00:03:09.330 Zoom appearance and did a great, you know, did his presentation. 55 00:03:09.830 --> 00:03:11.870 But when we went there, Darcy Weir was waiting and 56 00:03:11.889 --> 00:03:13.849 he made it look like he was a fan and 57 00:03:13.889 --> 00:03:17.629 he totally was misleading on his intentions and filmed us 58 00:03:17.909 --> 00:03:19.509 for a documentary he put out. And it was a 59 00:03:19.550 --> 00:03:22.370 total hit piece. And I was in the commercial, like 60 00:03:22.389 --> 00:03:24.889 the trailer making me look dumb. Like he, he, it 61 00:03:24.909 --> 00:03:28.150 was in, like he had the camera running when we 62 00:03:28.169 --> 00:03:29.669 were just sitting, he was like, Hey guys, I'll be 63 00:03:29.689 --> 00:03:31.189 just a minute. And he had the camera set up 64 00:03:31.250 --> 00:03:33.680 and it was on and recording unbeknownst to us. And 65 00:03:33.699 --> 00:03:36.120 I was just sitting there and he put that in 66 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:37.800 the trailer. Like he asked me a question and then 67 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:39.960 he went to that, like, and put, you know what 68 00:03:39.979 --> 00:03:42.159 I'm saying? Like it was just, it was just greasy, man, 69 00:03:42.180 --> 00:03:42.759 the way he did it. 70 00:03:43.020 --> 00:03:43.280 Right. 71 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:46.280 And that came out and I was shocked. Uh, you know, 72 00:03:46.909 --> 00:03:49.370 I was hurt by it and I don't feel that 73 00:03:49.469 --> 00:03:53.349 I've really through the time that I've spoke since I've 74 00:03:53.370 --> 00:03:55.189 known you guys. And since I was spoke publicly, I 75 00:03:55.229 --> 00:03:58.490 feel like I really haven't exploited people. I really tried 76 00:03:58.550 --> 00:04:01.240 to walk the narrow, even though, you know what I mean? 77 00:04:01.300 --> 00:04:04.479 I've clearly have made mistakes, but I don't feel I've 78 00:04:04.500 --> 00:04:06.979 done everything, anything to kind of warrant that. And I 79 00:04:06.979 --> 00:04:10.039 don't expect, I expect people to be skeptical of my information. 80 00:04:10.060 --> 00:04:13.379 It's cool. But, uh, to be faked, you know, like 81 00:04:13.500 --> 00:04:17.259 to be lied, lied about and publicly. And then your cut, 82 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:19.589 yours came out in, put the whole thing on a 83 00:04:19.670 --> 00:04:22.509 real light and we we got real evidence man like 84 00:04:22.529 --> 00:04:26.470 let's see here i go uh we got evidence we 85 00:04:26.490 --> 00:04:31.060 got evidence that i was there and if i was 86 00:04:31.100 --> 00:04:32.860 there then that means i was probably at the rest 87 00:04:32.899 --> 00:04:34.620 of it too like we did the same thing in 88 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:38.060 seattle me and my friend rob rob haney hello if 89 00:04:38.100 --> 00:04:40.800 you're watching and uh we went to seattle a month 90 00:04:40.860 --> 00:04:44.529 before you and i tyler went to inyokern And, uh, 91 00:04:44.689 --> 00:04:46.709 it was the same experience. Like I knew my way 92 00:04:46.750 --> 00:04:48.600 around without ever knowing. And I can, yeah, I can 93 00:04:48.629 --> 00:04:51.319 call my mama right now and ask her, did Tony 94 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:53.639 ever go to Inyokern when he was a kid or anytime? 95 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:56.079 And the answer is no, I, you know, I never 96 00:04:56.139 --> 00:04:59.040 went there ever in my life. And we, and I, 97 00:04:59.180 --> 00:05:01.160 it's funny because I went and looked and a lot 98 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:03.579 of the interviews where I described that portable we went 99 00:05:03.620 --> 00:05:08.379 into are gone. Really? So I described it, you know, the, 100 00:05:08.490 --> 00:05:12.389 the little, the little cubby hole, the little, uh, I 101 00:05:12.990 --> 00:05:15.709 had described that whole thing in interviews a few times 102 00:05:16.089 --> 00:05:20.850 early on in my testimony. The first few years, 2018, 103 00:05:20.850 --> 00:05:23.589 I was doing a ton of interviews. And those are 104 00:05:23.610 --> 00:05:26.529 all gone now. But I called that out years before 105 00:05:26.769 --> 00:05:28.670 we ever went there. And then, boom, we found the 106 00:05:28.730 --> 00:05:34.629 building exactly how I remembered it. So your documentary set 107 00:05:34.689 --> 00:05:38.329 a lot of things straight. And that's how I feel 108 00:05:38.370 --> 00:05:38.800 about it. 109 00:05:39.569 --> 00:05:40.500 Right. 110 00:05:40.709 --> 00:05:43.990 I really... you know, at a time when it was like, 111 00:05:44.149 --> 00:05:47.089 when I got a total gut punch, you guys set 112 00:05:47.129 --> 00:05:49.110 the record straight with that documentary. It was cool. 113 00:05:49.649 --> 00:05:53.420 Yeah. Thank you. And yeah, it was, it was interesting 114 00:05:53.459 --> 00:05:55.680 because the whole film was, you know, we're just building 115 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:57.620 a case for the secret space program. 116 00:05:57.660 --> 00:05:57.839 Right. 117 00:05:57.899 --> 00:06:01.120 And you're actually the only whistleblower in the film that 118 00:06:01.980 --> 00:06:04.939 it didn't serve time in the military, but you're, you 119 00:06:04.990 --> 00:06:08.050 actually have more evidence than most. So that's why we 120 00:06:08.089 --> 00:06:13.060 decided to, basically highlight your testimony throughout and then pepper 121 00:06:13.100 --> 00:06:16.060 in the other stuff and really build this case so 122 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:17.980 like we okay here it is in the military end 123 00:06:18.019 --> 00:06:20.199 but here's this guy who didn't go in the military 124 00:06:20.220 --> 00:06:22.600 and then this is this is how this is the 125 00:06:22.699 --> 00:06:25.740 other way they bring people into these programs so it 126 00:06:25.779 --> 00:06:27.839 was you know very ambitious and we know there hasn't 127 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.139 been a film done like that so we're just glad 128 00:06:30.290 --> 00:06:32.750 we're grateful to the feedback that we're getting it's been 129 00:06:32.769 --> 00:06:35.800 amazing so I didn't know when I was filming you, 130 00:06:35.819 --> 00:06:38.379 following you around. I had no real vision for the 131 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:40.620 documentary at that point other than I just need to 132 00:06:40.660 --> 00:06:42.699 get this footage. And that's kind of how it started. 133 00:06:43.649 --> 00:06:45.750 It worked out. And you did a really good job 134 00:06:45.850 --> 00:06:48.050 editing it and putting it all together to make sense 135 00:06:48.089 --> 00:06:50.189 to people. So a lot of people don't do that. 136 00:06:50.870 --> 00:06:52.850 And I'd like to see a return to evidence. I 137 00:06:52.870 --> 00:06:54.750 think there are a lot of great people speaking right 138 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.639 now about their time in the SSP. And they're picking 139 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.079 up where everybody left off and not circling back and 140 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.839 accentuating their own evidence. How do you believe that you 141 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:06.639 were there? for one and for two, make somebody that 142 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:08.620 doesn't believe in any of this. You don't talk to 143 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:11.420 the current choir. Don't preach to the choir. Talk to 144 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:14.060 the skeptics. Show me, prove it to me. Right. And 145 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.060 there's a lack of that these days. And that's why 146 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:16.839 it's fizzled out. 147 00:07:17.500 --> 00:07:17.800 Yeah. 148 00:07:17.819 --> 00:07:18.899 Yeah. Yeah. 149 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:23.610 And, um, speaking of that, um, I'm speaking at a 150 00:07:23.620 --> 00:07:26.290 conference in, in Michigan, your home state actually coming up 151 00:07:26.310 --> 00:07:29.529 here in like a week and a half, uh, good friend, 152 00:07:29.550 --> 00:07:32.730 Frank Regal is putting it on and, Jean Charles is 153 00:07:32.769 --> 00:07:37.470 speaking there and Frank is like, all right, Aaron, for 154 00:07:37.509 --> 00:07:40.470 the people that know nothing about this stuff, like going 155 00:07:40.490 --> 00:07:42.970 from that to hearing Jean Charles might be a bit much, 156 00:07:43.269 --> 00:07:43.529 you know? 157 00:07:43.569 --> 00:07:44.649 And I'm like, well, yeah, I understand. 158 00:07:45.089 --> 00:07:48.250 So he wants me to really set, set it up, 159 00:07:48.629 --> 00:07:51.620 like give the, give the proof and the foundation for 160 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:55.420 there be even being these secret space programs leading up. 161 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:57.639 And then people hear Jean Charles and he, and he 162 00:07:57.680 --> 00:07:59.180 has a lot of evidence too, just like you, he 163 00:07:59.360 --> 00:07:59.660 has evidence. 164 00:08:00.470 --> 00:08:04.129 Yeah. JC's great. JC's great. So he and I disagree 165 00:08:04.250 --> 00:08:06.589 on a certain thing and we kind of quit talking, 166 00:08:07.029 --> 00:08:09.470 but ultimately JC is an important part of it all. 167 00:08:09.509 --> 00:08:12.170 He's got great evidence. I absolutely believe he is real 168 00:08:12.250 --> 00:08:15.430 and genuine. I have a slide. I actually found research 169 00:08:15.490 --> 00:08:19.620 into human teleportation. So it's not farfetched. He just comes 170 00:08:19.649 --> 00:08:21.500 right out with it. People go, what? Yeah. 171 00:08:21.540 --> 00:08:22.600 He's like, I teleported. 172 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:25.019 I just teleport. When I was a kid, I could teleport. 173 00:08:25.060 --> 00:08:27.930 I had beach sand and here's the proof. And it's great. 174 00:08:27.990 --> 00:08:31.290 He's got great evidence. His documentary is another one that's 175 00:08:31.370 --> 00:08:34.809 really exceptional as far as proving it. And like I said, 176 00:08:34.830 --> 00:08:37.110 there's a school of people that come up with proof 177 00:08:37.149 --> 00:08:39.840 and a school of people that aren't. And I'm begging 178 00:08:39.860 --> 00:08:42.000 the people that aren't. Just come up with some proof, man. 179 00:08:42.019 --> 00:08:43.679 Just something. Please, please. 180 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:48.039 Yeah, I mean, that's, and I think, were you going 181 00:08:48.059 --> 00:08:48.960 to say something else? 182 00:08:49.379 --> 00:08:50.860 Well, I was going to say I'll send that to you, Aaron, 183 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:53.120 and help you out. I have a document about the 184 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:56.799 research and teleportation and help you for setting that up. 185 00:08:57.450 --> 00:09:03.759 That would be amazing. Thank you. I would love to collaborate, collaborate, collaborate. Yeah. Yeah. 186 00:09:04.100 --> 00:09:06.480 Whatever the word is. Thank you so much. That would be, 187 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:07.960 that would be fantastic. 188 00:09:08.460 --> 00:09:11.879 So one of the things I noticed doing the film, uh, was, 189 00:09:12.100 --> 00:09:15.019 you know, we were under me personally, maybe I don't, 190 00:09:15.139 --> 00:09:17.710 I can't speak for Aaron, but, uh, was under intense 191 00:09:17.789 --> 00:09:21.730 attack from not just like the typical online stuff, but 192 00:09:21.789 --> 00:09:24.149 just even things in your personal life that, you know, 193 00:09:24.309 --> 00:09:26.929 are related to what you're working on in the moment. And, 194 00:09:27.889 --> 00:09:32.009 They try to, whatever, just energetically, you know, just handicap you. 195 00:09:32.049 --> 00:09:34.539 So you just can't fully put your energy into the 196 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:38.419 project or whatever it is. And any time that we 197 00:09:38.460 --> 00:09:43.220 do an episode about the SSP that carries a lot 198 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:45.700 of weight, it seems like the attacks follow. And I'm like, 199 00:09:45.980 --> 00:09:48.330 so what is it? I'm thinking to myself, like, what 200 00:09:48.370 --> 00:09:51.889 could it be that they're attacking so much? And I'm looking, 201 00:09:52.009 --> 00:09:56.429 comparing what we talk about to the mainstream disclosure. And 202 00:09:56.529 --> 00:09:58.950 I think at all costs, what they're trying to really 203 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:05.379 prevent is that they cannot let people understand that they 204 00:10:05.419 --> 00:10:08.700 have colonized space. There are humans in space. Like that's 205 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:11.080 the main thing I think they're trying to cover up 206 00:10:11.820 --> 00:10:13.879 above and beyond everything else. Like not even the 20 207 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:17.730 and back concept. It's the fact that humans have colonized 208 00:10:17.750 --> 00:10:21.309 space on many It's colonized space on many planetary bodies 209 00:10:22.070 --> 00:10:27.889 and have breakaway civilizations everywhere. And it seems that contradicts 210 00:10:27.970 --> 00:10:30.070 what they're trying to just trickle out to us in 211 00:10:30.090 --> 00:10:32.070 the mainstream. So what are your thoughts on that? 212 00:10:33.570 --> 00:10:38.289 That's an amazing point. And it's honestly half of my 213 00:10:38.340 --> 00:10:43.639 career is explaining that, what you just said. They're incrementally 214 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:46.549 letting us know It was a big deal for them 215 00:10:46.570 --> 00:10:50.230 to show the UAPs. The first tranche of data was 216 00:10:50.269 --> 00:10:53.649 a bigger deal than anybody realizes because it showed us, 217 00:10:54.710 --> 00:10:58.669 it defeated the number one skepticism of the ufology was 218 00:10:58.730 --> 00:11:01.830 the physics. So the number one thing that all the 219 00:11:01.870 --> 00:11:03.950 scientists and everybody says they can't, but yeah, how are 220 00:11:03.970 --> 00:11:05.289 we going to get there? How are we going to 221 00:11:05.309 --> 00:11:06.929 get to space so fast? So we don't have any 222 00:11:07.009 --> 00:11:10.549 proof of any technology that can possibly exist that can 223 00:11:10.590 --> 00:11:12.090 go that fast. And then when they came out with 224 00:11:12.149 --> 00:11:14.549 film of craft and go to space in one minute, 225 00:11:15.169 --> 00:11:17.830 and then back down into the water, it dashed that 226 00:11:17.929 --> 00:11:21.049 argument to pieces. And that was a big deal for one. 227 00:11:21.149 --> 00:11:22.990 And so they let it, they're letting it out incrementally. 228 00:11:23.049 --> 00:11:24.629 What I'm saying is they're going to give a time 229 00:11:24.669 --> 00:11:27.690 to catch up that we're out there already. And I 230 00:11:27.730 --> 00:11:30.129 think that there's a battle for who's going to be, uh, 231 00:11:30.330 --> 00:11:33.460 ultimately in control. So I think that at the top 232 00:11:33.500 --> 00:11:36.299 of everything in the world, you might have one group 233 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:39.500 that runs everything, but there's, it's made up of 50 234 00:11:39.500 --> 00:11:41.639 or a hundred people that fight for position to who's 235 00:11:41.659 --> 00:11:44.340 going to be the, the grand poobah. And they have 236 00:11:44.379 --> 00:11:47.379 their own version of what disclosure looks like, you know, 237 00:11:47.740 --> 00:11:49.940 for one and for two, their ETS have a say. 238 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.879 I think we don't take in for granted the XO 239 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:57.200 political ramifications of disclosure. So the ETS are going to 240 00:11:57.220 --> 00:11:59.559 have to put up with our dumb asses. So, you 241 00:11:59.580 --> 00:12:01.179 know what I mean? On a certain level, the ETS 242 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:02.919 are going to be like, oh, great. These guys are 243 00:12:02.940 --> 00:12:05.840 coming up. They've been programmed to be idiots for the 244 00:12:05.860 --> 00:12:08.539 last hundred years from their own media. And now they're 245 00:12:08.570 --> 00:12:10.490 walking around here with us. You know what I mean? Like, 246 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:13.100 it's kind of like, and we, on a, on a, 247 00:12:13.740 --> 00:12:17.700 proxy level that might be, explain what we're getting. Jesus, 248 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:20.659 I shouldn't say this on camera. That might be a 249 00:12:20.850 --> 00:12:23.889 proxy version of what we're getting with all the mass immigration. 250 00:12:23.909 --> 00:12:27.549 Because we're seeing people that have grown up, that have 251 00:12:27.710 --> 00:12:31.429 lived life in a culture, a third world culture that 252 00:12:31.450 --> 00:12:35.789 has its own rule sets of morality going to another 253 00:12:35.830 --> 00:12:38.490 culture that has a higher set of rule sets and morality. 254 00:12:39.289 --> 00:12:44.049 And then there are excuses to install surveillance over everything. 255 00:12:44.450 --> 00:12:48.870 So we're seeing that we're seeing like this disclosure happening. 256 00:12:48.889 --> 00:12:51.149 You know what I mean? Like a trust run, like a, 257 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:56.899 like a pre pre a game for disclosure for these cultures, 258 00:12:57.080 --> 00:13:00.919 cultures that are incompatible to mix and disclose post-disclosure is 259 00:13:00.940 --> 00:13:02.809 going to be that. And then in the middle of 260 00:13:02.889 --> 00:13:04.769 all that, they can say, oh yeah, we had a 261 00:13:04.789 --> 00:13:07.429 colony up there a while ago and we had these 262 00:13:07.490 --> 00:13:10.470 under earths. I think there's more here on earth than 263 00:13:11.990 --> 00:13:14.879 colonies underneath of us that have ETs coming and going 264 00:13:15.139 --> 00:13:18.679 because the gravity is convenient than in a lot of 265 00:13:18.700 --> 00:13:21.320 the bodies in the solar system because the gravity is expensive, 266 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.720 energetically expensive. 267 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:28.610 That's an interesting point. I love that. You always have 268 00:13:29.769 --> 00:13:32.090 a very unique lens you view all this stuff through, 269 00:13:32.149 --> 00:13:37.250 and that explains a lot of your analogies. But that 270 00:13:37.309 --> 00:13:39.299 makes a lot of sense to me. And I definitely 271 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:42.159 think that they're here, especially human looking ETs. In fact, 272 00:13:42.179 --> 00:13:45.240 there's a crop circle years ago in like the 70s 273 00:13:45.299 --> 00:13:49.309 that showed a human face. It was a response to 274 00:13:49.330 --> 00:13:52.929 a call that SETI, the SETI program sent out in, 275 00:13:53.190 --> 00:13:55.649 I don't know, a decade prior or whatever it was. 276 00:13:56.529 --> 00:13:59.909 And then, so they sent back the same like blueprint 277 00:13:59.990 --> 00:14:02.860 thing that was sent out, but it was altered. And 278 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.279 then the other one next to it was a human face. 279 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:07.379 And everybody's like, why would they show a human face? 280 00:14:07.419 --> 00:14:10.549 So I'm thinking to myself, That's them. They're telling us 281 00:14:10.649 --> 00:14:13.450 that's what they look like. They look like us. We 282 00:14:13.509 --> 00:14:17.750 are you. Yeah. It's like a selfie. And, but most 283 00:14:17.789 --> 00:14:20.889 people hadn't connected at that. I mean, when you listen 284 00:14:20.909 --> 00:14:23.840 to the research on it, they're trying to figure out 285 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:26.179 what they're telling them about us. But I think they're 286 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:29.559 telling us that, you know, these ETs are primarily human 287 00:14:29.620 --> 00:14:29.960 as well. 288 00:14:31.340 --> 00:14:36.320 I've said recently, um, I do talks. I do a 289 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:38.759 Q and a once a month on my Patriot. But 290 00:14:38.820 --> 00:14:42.950 every week in my tier three, it's basically a talk, 291 00:14:43.470 --> 00:14:46.070 you know, and we all entertain and it's like back 292 00:14:46.110 --> 00:14:49.250 and forth with, you know, a dozen, maybe 15, 20 people, 293 00:14:49.269 --> 00:14:52.850 a dozen people. And recently they were like, we were 294 00:14:52.870 --> 00:14:56.000 talking about post-disclosure. And I said, look, and I said 295 00:14:56.009 --> 00:14:58.960 this in an interview recently and it's, and it's true 296 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:02.039 and it's true. And people don't think this. When I 297 00:15:02.059 --> 00:15:05.460 was young, I thought that rich people were noble. I'm 298 00:15:05.500 --> 00:15:07.950 in the kid, the trailer park. Right. And so I 299 00:15:07.970 --> 00:15:09.889 thought that people, in order to be wealthy, they had 300 00:15:09.909 --> 00:15:13.740 to be morally noble, that they were just better than, 301 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.500 because I saw a lot of people morally bankrupt in 302 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:17.100 the trailer park. 303 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:17.919 Right. 304 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:21.340 And so I assumed that having your act together financially 305 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:23.980 translated to having your act together morally. And come to 306 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:27.159 find out, it's quite the opposite sometimes. It's just people 307 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:30.019 are people. And we think that ETs are the same, 308 00:15:30.419 --> 00:15:33.179 the lens. We think that because they have space travel, 309 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.440 that they're morally, you know, spiritually rich. better and they're 310 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:42.000 just higher, wiser, they're wiser, more evolved. Yeah. Well, not 311 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:45.519 always the case, but the reality is ETs are snobs. 312 00:15:46.570 --> 00:15:50.009 They're total snobs and post-disclosure don't expect to be around 313 00:15:50.049 --> 00:15:52.730 an ET and not get snobbed. When people ask me, 314 00:15:52.809 --> 00:15:54.450 I get asked all the time in my Q and A's, 315 00:15:54.490 --> 00:15:56.590 what was the gray like when you were on Mars 316 00:15:56.730 --> 00:15:59.679 in school? You know, when you were testing, what was it? 317 00:15:59.690 --> 00:16:02.190 I said, he was the complete snob. He basically insulted 318 00:16:02.230 --> 00:16:04.759 me every time he ever interacted with me. It called 319 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:06.799 me a micro brain. And, you know, he was like 320 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:11.360 super insulting because he was tied into their collective AI brain. 321 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:13.860 So he was, you know, smart and he was a 322 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:16.269 total snob. And I think about it. And most of 323 00:16:16.309 --> 00:16:19.309 the ETs I met were the same way. And, and 324 00:16:19.350 --> 00:16:21.250 then I equate it to this. Like you would go, 325 00:16:21.309 --> 00:16:25.409 let's imagine that you're on a, um, what is it? The, uh, red, 326 00:16:25.470 --> 00:16:27.970 red cross. And you're going to help. And they contact 327 00:16:28.029 --> 00:16:31.700 a tribe in South America, but people that never had contact. 328 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:33.139 And now you can go down there and hang out 329 00:16:33.179 --> 00:16:36.019 with them and you learn their language. Would you condescend 330 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:37.600 when you say, oh, no, no, no, we have water. 331 00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:39.779 We have hot water for that. No, no, we don't 332 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:42.409 do this. It's bacteria. You would be super condescending to 333 00:16:43.149 --> 00:16:46.610 their way of life because you would think that our 334 00:16:46.649 --> 00:16:49.110 technology makes you smarter. And the ETs are the same 335 00:16:49.169 --> 00:16:53.529 way with us. The same relationship. Those people have mastered 336 00:16:54.009 --> 00:16:56.710 their environment with what they've got, but they don't have 337 00:16:56.769 --> 00:16:59.750 the benefit of the science of the whole globe working 338 00:16:59.850 --> 00:17:03.049 at it. It's the same, man. They're going to be 339 00:17:03.090 --> 00:17:03.899 snobs to us. 340 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:07.420 And I think what you said, though, prior to that, 341 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:11.369 people are people. I don't think it's fair to use 342 00:17:11.380 --> 00:17:15.690 that as a blanket statement for everyone because not every 343 00:17:15.730 --> 00:17:18.609 rich person or wealthy person is immoral. You know what 344 00:17:18.630 --> 00:17:18.829 I mean? 345 00:17:18.950 --> 00:17:22.589 I was young. And what I'm saying is I found 346 00:17:22.650 --> 00:17:25.390 out that there was a stark contrast that really people 347 00:17:25.430 --> 00:17:27.809 of wealth that grew up in a different economical status 348 00:17:27.829 --> 00:17:29.190 than me were just people. 349 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:30.579 Yeah, I know. 350 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:32.140 They were lost, too. A lot of them were not happy. 351 00:17:33.069 --> 00:17:35.650 No, I appreciate that perspective because it is, I mean, 352 00:17:35.690 --> 00:17:37.890 I can totally see where that could be the case 353 00:17:37.950 --> 00:17:40.450 for a number of groups out there, especially the ones 354 00:17:40.470 --> 00:17:42.759 that have been working with the dark, the deep state, 355 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:47.660 you know, and aligning with, against humanity, not with humanity, 356 00:17:47.700 --> 00:17:52.839 against humanity. But so I understand that, you know, your 357 00:17:52.900 --> 00:17:58.319 research has, your time in the programs, researching just that, 358 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:00.980 trying to prove your testimony led you down this remote 359 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:04.839 viewing path. And we've talked about this on previous episodes, 360 00:18:04.900 --> 00:18:07.460 but I'm wondering, you know, you guys do like weekly 361 00:18:07.509 --> 00:18:09.849 meetups and stuff and you have all these targets. How 362 00:18:09.890 --> 00:18:14.069 many targets would you say? Have you done off world? 363 00:18:14.170 --> 00:18:16.569 Have you done any off world targets and gotten any 364 00:18:16.930 --> 00:18:18.190 real results from that? 365 00:18:18.349 --> 00:18:22.630 Dude, we did one last week for the horse on series. 366 00:18:22.730 --> 00:18:24.059 I said, well, I wanted to know what it looked 367 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:28.039 like now. The hanger bait, the horses. Yeah. So I 368 00:18:28.059 --> 00:18:31.450 targeted that with the remote viewers and, They explained it. 369 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:33.940 It was like, they came back with, I was almost, 370 00:18:33.980 --> 00:18:36.839 I got choked. I'm talking about crying too much, but 371 00:18:36.900 --> 00:18:38.819 it choked me up, man. And when I, when the 372 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:41.519 first remote viewer was on target, when I opened up 373 00:18:41.579 --> 00:18:44.509 the data and the first remote viewer was on target 374 00:18:44.569 --> 00:18:48.710 and described the hallway, the hall, and there was grass, 375 00:18:48.970 --> 00:18:51.670 they had a grass. They added like an AstroTurf, like 376 00:18:52.069 --> 00:18:56.970 multiple viewers had the structure and the steps with the marble, 377 00:18:57.009 --> 00:19:00.009 with the spinning doors. you know, representative things of the 378 00:19:00.029 --> 00:19:03.569 spinning doors, but with a grass element. So they added 379 00:19:03.829 --> 00:19:07.579 grass on series as far as my remote viewings look. 380 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.859 And I had, I don't know, seven or eight viewings 381 00:19:11.460 --> 00:19:13.819 got turned in on that target. But we don't do 382 00:19:13.859 --> 00:19:17.660 space too much because it's unconfirmable. So in order to 383 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.440 teach people to remote view, you want them to confirm 384 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:23.950 it that they got it right for that, for the attaboy, 385 00:19:24.269 --> 00:19:26.750 you know, the confidence of saying, oh shit, I got it. 386 00:19:27.329 --> 00:19:29.710 And that really builds that ability. The belief in the 387 00:19:29.730 --> 00:19:33.690 ability to remote view is the most important aspect to 388 00:19:33.750 --> 00:19:35.759 remote view. You have to believe it and you have 389 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:38.299 to believe it unconsciously. So it takes many times of 390 00:19:38.339 --> 00:19:39.319 doing it to get there. 391 00:19:40.299 --> 00:19:43.180 Yeah. And that's a good point because I was just 392 00:19:43.220 --> 00:19:46.039 more curious, like if you were to give somebody a 393 00:19:46.099 --> 00:19:49.579 blind target of a planetary body or just anything in space. 394 00:19:50.349 --> 00:19:52.329 what they would come up with, and you could start 395 00:19:52.369 --> 00:19:56.529 to formulate theories about what's happening here. Has this been 396 00:19:56.549 --> 00:19:57.450 colonized or not? 397 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:00.500 The trick is with that, because you remember 3-Eye Atlas, 398 00:20:00.579 --> 00:20:03.160 everybody and their brother was remote viewing that. So we 399 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.700 remote viewed it. The trick with remote viewing an unconfirmable 400 00:20:06.740 --> 00:20:10.490 target is to have many people do it. you know, 401 00:20:11.210 --> 00:20:15.630