Speaker 1: Coming to you from Studio A here at Proven Winters
Speaker 1: Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show
Speaker 1: with Stacey Hervella me, Rick weisst and our engineer and
Speaker 1: producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacey, plants are like food, and well,
Speaker 1: some food you like, some foods you don't. Same thing
Speaker 1: with plants, as a matter of fact, some plants you
Speaker 1: don't like. Some you even hate. Now I think about
Speaker 1: that food analogy. As a kid. Once I got sick
Speaker 1: on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, and to this day,
Speaker 1: the thought of it turns my stomach.
Speaker 2: You know what. I don't like peanut butter and jelly either. Hey, right,
Speaker 2: I know it's a very weird thing not to like,
Speaker 2: but I didn't get sick on it. But I've never
Speaker 2: really cared for.
Speaker 1: It, outstanding. So today we talk about plants we hate,
Speaker 1: and I guess I got to say this first before
Speaker 1: we start. I've got to read a note from our
Speaker 1: prestigious lawn firm of Trillium, Sage, gall and Ivy. The
Speaker 1: opinions expressed on this show are solely those of Rick
Speaker 1: and Stacey do not reflect the views of any employer, organization,
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Speaker 1: warranty of any kind, either express or implied, including, but
Speaker 1: not limited to, our joint opinions.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, well, we have opinions and you will be
Speaker 2: hearing them today. And our listeners have opinions too, and
Speaker 2: they shared them last week on last week's episode on YouTube,
Speaker 2: so we've got those as well.
Speaker 1: This is going to be fun. Now. Next year, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six, Stacy, I will have been in the garden
Speaker 1: center industry for fifty years.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And I have to give a disclaimer here up front,
Speaker 1: and that is a number of the plants that I
Speaker 1: hate in the landscape are primarily due to the fact
Speaker 1: that if you unload semi loads of these things over
Speaker 1: fifty years, you're going to get sick of them too.
Speaker 2: I'm yes, So it's plants you're sick of, not necessarily
Speaker 2: that you don't like. Well, it's both, okay, it's both, gotcha.
Speaker 1: It's both. So we'll dive into that.
Speaker 2: But I mean, what's for number one? You got a
Speaker 2: number one that you can just like come right off
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can tell you again, being in the garden
Speaker 1: center industry, plastic flowers, silk flowers. I'm so sick of
Speaker 1: having glitter on my nose and up my nose.
Speaker 3: That's number one.
Speaker 1: It's not really a plant, but they look like plant.
Speaker 1: The other day, I'm driving through a small town and
Speaker 1: I see in the distance lavender in full bloom. Oh
Speaker 1: here in early March in Michigan. I'm like, there's no way,
Speaker 1: so I go up there, and of course they're plastic flowers,
Speaker 1: so kind of makes the hair stand up on the
Speaker 1: back of my neck. But you know, sometimes it's situational.
Speaker 1: For example, plants that drive me crazy are people who
Speaker 1: will plant a hedge like privet, and then every year
Speaker 1: they just take a little off the top, so they've
Speaker 1: got naked branches up to the top where it's full
Speaker 1: and lush, it just looks awful. Or mailbox plantings where
Speaker 1: they've gone bad. In other words, as opposed to dressing
Speaker 1: up the male or trying to disguise the mailbox, they're
Speaker 1: actually calling attention to it now, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing that drives me nuts is
Speaker 1: overgrown lilacs. Vulgaris lilacs. I love lilacs, but overgrown lilacs
Speaker 1: take a pruning shares to them.
Speaker 3: So sometimes it's the situation.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, I love a good overgrown lilac. I love
Speaker 2: that like you know, like oh I just happened into
Speaker 2: an enchanted place kind of vibe, like I love that.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 2: Let me see, this is the whole thing. We're going
Speaker 2: to say, plants that our listeners might actually like, and
Speaker 2: that is perfectly okay, because these are just our opinions
Speaker 2: and we hold them strongly. And for every plant we
Speaker 2: say that someone likes, they may hate a plant that
Speaker 2: you and I like, correct, and there's enough to go
Speaker 2: around for everybody.
Speaker 1: So just send your notes, complaints, cards, letters to Gardening
Speaker 1: simplified on air dot Com Today's Limerick. They may promote
Speaker 1: you as being hardy, but I'm a Hordic cultural smarty,
Speaker 1: not part of my landscape diagram. I do not like
Speaker 1: green eggs and ham. You're not welcome to my garden party.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just kind of threw that one together.
Speaker 2: So who's not welcome? Obviously plastic flowers, but that's, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of a non issue. So what one plant are you?
Speaker 1: Just? Like?
Speaker 2: Not a snowballs? Chance is this thing going to enter
Speaker 2: into my garden?
Speaker 3: I'll give you a few of them, okay.
Speaker 1: Fragrance embeds in your memory. Okay, Yes, So calorie pears
Speaker 1: or ornamental pears. They smell fishy, they smell like mothballs.
Speaker 2: They smell horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they smell horrible.
Speaker 2: Don't like them, super invasive.
Speaker 1: Also marrigold flowers. Of course, I handled thousands and thousands
Speaker 1: and thousands of flats of marigolds.
Speaker 3: I would go home.
Speaker 1: My clothes smell like marigolds. That's why they drive me crazy.
Speaker 1: They have this acrid, unpleasant taste and smell. They're they
Speaker 1: just I don't like them, okay. And then stargazer lilies,
Speaker 1: the smell of them, the aroma. I can give you
Speaker 1: a description of what they smell like, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to come across as appearing.
Speaker 3: Being gross, So I'm just that.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: And of course trees are a long term investment. I've
Speaker 1: planted trees and personal landscapes before that I loved, and
Speaker 1: neighbors and others hated. Like a camperdown elm or I
Speaker 1: love cleeping beach. Love that plant. It's like a Doctor
Speaker 1: Seuss plant. Love it.
Speaker 3: But no.
Speaker 1: And then of course blue is a highly desired color
Speaker 1: in the landscape, and so from the mid nineteen hundreds
Speaker 1: through nineteen eighty one of the most over planted plants
Speaker 1: was Colorado.
Speaker 2: Bluesofful there and it's native to the southern Rocky Mountain area,
Speaker 2: so you put it in an area that it doesn't like.
Speaker 1: Over time, you're gonna start dealing with canker and needle
Speaker 1: cast and then you start pruning out some of the
Speaker 1: affected branches. And you know, of course, your house doesn't grow,
Speaker 1: but that cute little Colorado spruce planted forty years ago
Speaker 1: does and it overpowers the house.
Speaker 3: So how am I doing here?
Speaker 2: You're good? I do want to say my most number
Speaker 2: one hated plants, okay, and why there's two reasons why. Okay,
Speaker 2: my number one most hated plant in the world. Well
Speaker 2: maybe not in the world, but you know that we
Speaker 2: grow in our gardens is egga podium po groarica Bishop's weed.
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, it's on the list.
Speaker 2: And I really hate this plant for two main reasons.
Speaker 2: Number one, it's just ugly, not an attractive plant. Now,
Speaker 2: I will say that the flowers are kind of pretty.
Speaker 2: And when I moved into my house and there was
Speaker 2: some planted it flowered, and I actually quite enjoyed using
Speaker 2: them in arrangements. Still not a reason to grow it,
Speaker 2: but it's an ugly planet. It's a groundcover. But I
Speaker 2: also have a personal grudge against this plant. Oh really,
Speaker 2: because it may not surprise you to find out that
Speaker 2: my plant id skills are typically pretty great. And when
Speaker 2: I was in a horticulture school, we had two major exams,
Speaker 2: a horticultural technique exam and a plant id exam. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Agapodium pol roarica is the one single plant that
Speaker 2: I got wrong on my plant id exam.
Speaker 1: Didn't get a hundred on that.
Speaker 2: So between those two things, it is my like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's certainly other plants that I strongly dislike and even hate,
Speaker 2: but you know, with that extra like grudge factor in
Speaker 2: there for the Agapodium that is. And you know that
Speaker 2: was actually one of the plants that came up on
Speaker 2: our YouTube comments.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and they marketed it as Snow on the Mountain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gave it.
Speaker 1: A nice name because it's variegated. See I feel that
Speaker 1: way about euphour.
Speaker 3: Be a spurge.
Speaker 2: Oh, I hate that too.
Speaker 1: You Yeah, And there's a reason the deer don't eat.
Speaker 2: It ch toxic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just blue boy, oh boy, marigolds. You
Speaker 1: know what really gets me ivy geraniums. I don't why stringy.
Speaker 1: They break off thousands and thousands of hanging baskets that
Speaker 1: I've hung up and taken down.
Speaker 2: And oh well, I'll tell you this. Don't go to
Speaker 2: any pubs in Ireland in the summer because they're all
Speaker 2: decorated with beautiful window boxes full of ivy geraniums.
Speaker 1: Well, I know I'm gonna get in trouble, I know that,
Speaker 1: but I gotta be honest.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: The same applies to Calibricoa. I just think there's just
Speaker 1: too many.
Speaker 3: You know, I'll walk into a greenhouse in spring.
Speaker 1: Now. Proven Winners does a great job with their calibri coas,
Speaker 1: but it can be kind of unruly. It's like a
Speaker 1: bad hair day. I love many Vista supertunias and I'll
Speaker 1: take that over a calibricoa any day. And the other
Speaker 1: thing that drives me crazy about it is anytime I
Speaker 1: see a bunch of them in a greenhouse or hanging up,
Speaker 1: I've got an earworm for the rest.
Speaker 3: Of the day in my head.
Speaker 1: Dick van Dijke and Julie Andrews super califragilistic expiala do.
Speaker 1: It just sticks in my head because I sing that
Speaker 1: song every time I see Calibri Coa's and so I
Speaker 1: just forgive me send your notes, cards, letters. But Stacy,
Speaker 1: I don't like Calibri CoA baskets. Well, that is perfectly fair, okay,
Speaker 1: Vinca Minor, well, Vinca Major even worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, much worse. I just like them both.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I came from the generation where you go
Speaker 1: into the garden center, every container was geranium, spikes, Vinca Major,
Speaker 1: and Dusty Miller.
Speaker 2: Yep, and I remember those days.
Speaker 1: I can't stand all four of them.
Speaker 2: I grew up with that combination in my backyards. I am.
Speaker 2: I am also not a fan. I have never planted
Speaker 2: a deranium like of my own accord. Okay, ever, so
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't you know there that's like for me,
Speaker 2: It's like there's enough out there, like I don't need
Speaker 2: to bring it into my life. The stuff that I
Speaker 2: see out in the world is ample for me.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and again honesty, okay. The reason I can't
Speaker 1: handle is because, again in the seventies and eighties, I
Speaker 1: handled hundreds of thousands of them, and I filled hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of pots with geranium spikes and vinca vines
Speaker 1: that went directly to the cemetery. And so those flowers
Speaker 1: make me think of the cemetery.
Speaker 2: So can't help it, all right, you haven't listened any
Speaker 2: perennials yet.
Speaker 1: Oh we will in the speed Yes, I did you
Speaker 1: four be a spurs?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, yeah, that is a crummy one with you.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what we're going to do, speed
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Speaker 2: Yes we are.
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Speaker 2: welcome to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are friendly,
Speaker 2: but we are talking about plants that we hate and
Speaker 2: also plants that you hate, which you shared with us
Speaker 2: on YouTube. And you know again if you're just tuning
Speaker 2: in I do want to clarify that these are just
Speaker 2: our opinions, and you know, the more you get into gardening,
Speaker 2: the more you're going to kind of develop these tastes.
Speaker 2: Plants that you absolutely love, plants that you hate. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it is based firmly in reality, it makes perfect sense,
Speaker 2: and sometimes it doesn't make any sense at all, and
Speaker 2: you just have like a visceral reaction like I do
Speaker 2: with daylilies.
Speaker 1: And the other factor here is if somebody in a
Speaker 1: neighborhood plants it, then everybody copies and pretty soon that
Speaker 1: plant is throughout the neighbor right.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting to me because we did last week
Speaker 2: ask our YouTube listeners to comment on YouTube with the
Speaker 2: plants that they hate, and we can share that list later.
Speaker 2: But one thing that stuck out to me across this
Speaker 2: entire list the number one plants that people hate aren't
Speaker 2: really like so much like me and daylilies, where I'm
Speaker 2: just like, I don't like the way that plant looks
Speaker 2: or feels. The majority of plants that people hate are
Speaker 2: actually invasive plants. The list is almost entirely invasive or
Speaker 2: difficult to manage plants. And I'm not really clear whether
Speaker 2: that is because those plants are maintenance issues for the
Speaker 2: listeners who share that, and that is why they hate them,
Speaker 2: or if they hate the fact that they are so
Speaker 2: invasive and aggressive, whether or not they are dealing with,
Speaker 2: you know, with them in their yard. And you know,
Speaker 2: for plants on trial today, we are going to do
Speaker 2: a speed around, which is where we just list a
Speaker 2: bunch of different categories and reconi each quickly, hopefully, but sometimes,
Speaker 2: you know, we got to expound on it. Our least
Speaker 2: favorite or We're gonna give some examples of our least
Speaker 2: favorite plants and then tell you why. And I'm gonna
Speaker 2: start with shrubs, and I'm going to start with my
Speaker 2: most hated shrub and a little explanation why. I won't
Speaker 2: go this far into all of them. But I do
Speaker 2: feel like I need to do this for shrubs because
Speaker 2: I work for proven Winter's collect Choice Shrubs, and we
Speaker 2: do sell the shrub that I hate the most, and
Speaker 2: it is barbary.
Speaker 3: I knew it.
Speaker 2: I know, I know there's no surprises here in the studio.
Speaker 2: I can tell you Rick and Adriana knew this well
Speaker 2: about me. And you know the reason barbary is invasive,
Speaker 2: not everywhere you know, you go out west and people
Speaker 2: are growing barbary and it looks perfectly lovely. But here
Speaker 2: in the Midwest and the East coast, barbary is actually
Speaker 2: quite invasive. And I never really cared for barbary. I
Speaker 2: was just kind of like meh on it, you know,
Speaker 2: certainly going back to my landscaping days, like you and
Speaker 2: your truck unloading days. I didn't like planting it because
Speaker 2: it's prickly and you're getting all scratched up. And but
Speaker 2: you know, mostly I feel like barbary just does not
Speaker 2: do enough in the landscape to be to merit all
Speaker 2: of the problems that it's causing. And the first time
Speaker 2: that I was hiking at Uskegon State Park and I
Speaker 2: was way way way back, you know, like not on
Speaker 2: the trails, Like we were back there and it was
Speaker 2: fall and I see this bright red thing in the
Speaker 2: landscape and I said, oh, my gosh, what is that,
Speaker 2: you know, So we walk up to it and it's
Speaker 2: a barbary. And so here I am trying to get
Speaker 2: some peace and relaxation, enjoying the scenery, and there's a
Speaker 2: barbary intruding on this beautiful natural site. And that was
Speaker 2: like really you know, it really got me that affected you,
Speaker 2: and I just again don't think that barbary has enough
Speaker 2: aesthetic value for me to you know, merit all these
Speaker 2: problems that it's causing. And other people on YouTube also said.
Speaker 1: Barbary, well, send your notes, cardage letters to Gardening Simplified
Speaker 1: on air dot com.
Speaker 2: So despite my dear issues in the fact that barbary
Speaker 2: is very dear resistant, you will never ever, ever, ever
Speaker 2: ever catch a barbary in my garden. So you rick
Speaker 2: trub that you hate because of.
Speaker 1: All the tr unloaded and Dora junipers and taxis, it's
Speaker 1: a tie.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Texas is also kind of a me a plant.
Speaker 2: You know. When we talk about Texas a few weeks ago,
Speaker 2: we talked about the ones in the UK and those
Speaker 2: are truly spectacular. But here in the US, Texas is
Speaker 2: nothing to write home about. As they say, tree you hate.
Speaker 1: The mulberry tree was brought into the United States for
Speaker 1: the silkworms, you know, to feed the silkworms in the
Speaker 1: silk industry, and it of course got out and that
Speaker 1: tree drives me nuts. Mulberry trees and calorie pears.
Speaker 2: Yes, so Breadford pair definitely on my list and You know,
Speaker 2: people love Breadford pear because it has white flowers in
Speaker 2: spring and that super tidy you know shape that they
Speaker 2: love and fall color. But bread for pear, you know,
Speaker 2: take a drive through the south in the early spring
Speaker 2: and see how it has spread, you know, into the woods,
Speaker 2: and it is really just so so heartbreaking. But I
Speaker 2: also have my most hated tree is a tie with
Speaker 2: no maple.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 2: You know, And I will give I hate, especially Crimson
Speaker 2: King Norway maple. But I will give Crimson King a
Speaker 2: seasonal pass for when it flowers because it is kind
Speaker 2: of cool how the yellow flowers and the purple emerging
Speaker 2: leaves look. But that is still not worth planting Norway
Speaker 2: maple because they just don't do enough. Yeah, great bulb
Speaker 2: that you hate.
Speaker 1: Gonna get in trouble here. Cannot stand hyacinths. Ooh reason
Speaker 1: I can't stand hyacinths. I think the bloom lasts such
Speaker 1: a short time. I don't like the aroma of hyacinths.
Speaker 1: And again, working in the garden center industry, if you
Speaker 1: handle the bulbs, many people are allergic to them. They
Speaker 1: will make you itch, they will make you go crazy.
Speaker 1: You're itching yourself. I had one time in the winter time,
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with hyacinths. We force them. I had to
Speaker 1: take my shirt off, go outside and dive into a
Speaker 1: snowbank cave. I was itching so bad. Can't stand hyacinth.
Speaker 2: Yes, that happened to me too when I will not
Speaker 2: quite like that. But when I was working at Martha
Speaker 2: Stewart Living my very first photoshoot, I was so excited.
Speaker 2: I was new on the job and it was an
Speaker 2: Easter photo shoot and we were doing all this crazy
Speaker 2: stuff with hyacinth flowers and I did not know about
Speaker 2: the itching ye, and I was absolutely miserable for the
Speaker 2: entire day because it's just like the sap and everything
Speaker 2: gets everywhere, and it's really really terrible poison. Ivy did
Speaker 2: come up on a number of YouTube comments, but this
Speaker 2: is almost that bad. It just doesn't give you a
Speaker 2: rash for me. Star of Bethel, Hamwich, we talked about
Speaker 2: last week YEP, because a listener had it as a weed.
Speaker 2: Very difficult to manage. You know. Also, like our listeners,
Speaker 2: most of my most hated plants are also invasives perennial
Speaker 2: that you hate.
Speaker 1: Ladies mantle, the al camilla moolus.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, because it looks like a weed to me.
Speaker 1: And again, in the garden center industry, we'd set it
Speaker 1: out in April on the benches, it'd still be there
Speaker 1: in October.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's such like a gardener plant, like
Speaker 2: you know, it's like English gardens.
Speaker 1: I vibes, I'm going to get.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just a little surprised. That's all. Of course,
Speaker 2: mine is daily. As we have already discussed, not a
Speaker 2: lot of people when our YouTube comments mentioned lilies, and
Speaker 2: I think they they were mostly implying that they hate
Speaker 2: the ditch lilies or you know, the ones that grow
Speaker 2: wild in all of the ditches. And it's true that
Speaker 2: orange is terrible, and I love orange, but the orange
Speaker 2: of that plant is just ghastly. But I even hate
Speaker 2: the ornamental daylilies, as I discussed. Their thick petals are
Speaker 2: gross and absorbent and weird and look like diapers, and
Speaker 2: I do not like to look at them or certainly
Speaker 2: touch them. Groundcover, you hate ground cover?
Speaker 1: Of course, I could say Bishop Scout weed, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say a juga. Oh, a juga is not a
Speaker 1: Caribbean island that you go to in winter to vacation. Rather,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a non native ground cut that tends
Speaker 1: to get thrips and mites and just doesn't perform. And again,
Speaker 1: I handled hundreds of thousands of pots of a juga.
Speaker 1: It's also known as bugle wheat.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, I've rarely seen is as much as
Speaker 2: a juga is sold as a groundcover, I have rarely
Speaker 2: seen like a really good, solid planting of a juga
Speaker 2: as a groundcover.
Speaker 1: Well, people will argue chocolate chip, you know, some of
Speaker 1: the newer varieties in There are some good varieties out there,
Speaker 1: But I can do without a juga.
Speaker 2: Okay. Mine is going to be heetunia, Yeah, chameleon plant.
Speaker 2: We've talked about it many times on the show because
Speaker 2: people will write us in desperation, what do I do
Speaker 2: about this horrible, smelly, weird looking plant, because yeah, not
Speaker 2: only does it have a terrible weird fragrance, the foliage
Speaker 2: does you know that variegation I really don't like. So
Speaker 2: it's like yellow and green and red. And you know
Speaker 2: the other thing about houtunia is any little piece of
Speaker 2: this plant that is falls on the soil or remains
Speaker 2: and the soil will grow and it is just very
Speaker 2: difficult to manage and eradicate. And again it's just it's
Speaker 2: too ugly to be that aggressive. I guess it's a problem. Okay,
Speaker 2: now you've given us a lot of annuals that you hate,
Speaker 2: But what's going to be your your go to here
Speaker 2: in spect.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna leave it with ivy geraniums and say
Speaker 1: no more because I'm in deep right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, So mine is Salvius Blendins. Really yes, So now
Speaker 2: there's a lot of wonderful salva's out there that I
Speaker 2: do enjoy. But if you're not familiar with Sealvius Blendon's,
Speaker 2: and I don't really know that it has like another
Speaker 2: common name that I'm not thinking of. But this is
Speaker 2: like the old fashioned single stem salvia usually red, sometimes purple,
Speaker 2: sometimes white, that comes up and has the bracks and
Speaker 2: then the little flowers that come out of it, and
Speaker 2: it's just like yeah, like that, Yeah, so I think
Speaker 2: that's yeah. So I really don't like that. Although Prooven
Speaker 2: Winners did come out with some new cultivars that I
Speaker 2: did trial last year and I didn't hate, but they're
Speaker 2: a far cry from the ones that I'm talking about. Also,
Speaker 2: not really fan of Porta Laca.
Speaker 3: M interesting. I would disagree with you there.
Speaker 2: I love it, oh so interesting, even like the ones
Speaker 2: with the thin leaves are just the one. The newer
Speaker 2: ones with the new.
Speaker 1: Ones, like the Mohave series, they're incredible.
Speaker 2: You know. I guess maybe when I'm retired, I will
Speaker 2: also like Portulacca more. But for working people, it's not
Speaker 2: a good plan because the flowers close up when you
Speaker 2: get home.
Speaker 1: I feel a little old now. Advan is cracking up
Speaker 1: over there.
Speaker 2: All right, listen, I have a few more speed round questions.
Speaker 2: We'll have to save those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to do those, because I'm looking at this.
Speaker 3: This is gonna be good.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we will come back to that in segod form.
Speaker 2: But we're going to take a break now and when
Speaker 2: we come back to answer your garden questions. So stay tuned.
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Speaker 2: to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are talking about
Speaker 2: plants we hate. But we're taking a little break from
Speaker 2: that conversation to answer your gardening questions. And you know,
Speaker 2: I picked these questions today because they were timely, but
Speaker 2: I also realize just now that all of them do
Speaker 2: actually include plants that I actually like, Yeah, not about
Speaker 2: plants that I hate. So if you have a question,
Speaker 2: whether even if it is rather about a plant that
Speaker 2: Rick and I hate, we will still be happy to
Speaker 2: help you. You can reach us at Gardening Simplified on
Speaker 2: air dot com, or of course leave a comment on YouTube,
Speaker 2: because we do look at all of those and appreciate
Speaker 2: your engagement. So Rick, what we got in the mail
Speaker 2: bag today?
Speaker 1: Okay, Sue is writing to us. Hello, I love your show.
Speaker 1: I'm in Zone five B, Northwest suburb of Chicago. I
Speaker 1: ordered an El Nino che tulpa. Right is the plannxiation
Speaker 1: for us? If you're keeping score at home, I'm taking
Speaker 1: a chance because the plant is listed as zones six
Speaker 1: through nine. But I really love the look while watching
Speaker 1: others grow it in warmer zones. I'm going to plant
Speaker 1: it in a protected sunny area of my property, plan
Speaker 1: on mulching around it in late fall. But is there
Speaker 1: something else I could do to increase my chances of survival?
Speaker 1: I would also love to get a cryptomeria, which is
Speaker 1: zone six'. Nine SHOULD i quit trying to push the
Speaker 1: zones because it could get?
Speaker 3: Expensive? Oh, No, sue push the zoncial.
Speaker 2: Zones push the. Zones, yes it can get. Expensive and
Speaker 2: that's something you. Know it's to me when when a
Speaker 2: gardener is pushing the, zones it just becomes kind of
Speaker 2: a ven diagram of like you know where the push
Speaker 2: and pull, Is like how much are you willing to
Speaker 2: invest in time and money versus you, know your expected
Speaker 2: benefit of that? Plant BUT i wanted to answer who's question,
Speaker 2: now especially because the number one piece of ADVICE i
Speaker 2: can give to anyone who wants to push the hardiness
Speaker 2: zone of a plant in their yard is to plant
Speaker 2: it as early as possible in. Spring, now don't you?
Speaker 2: Know plant it now and we're still going to get
Speaker 2: lots of cold weather and the soil is not really
Speaker 2: ready for planting. Anyway but as soon as planting opens
Speaker 2: up for your, area sure that is when you want
Speaker 2: to plant. That these are not plants that you want
Speaker 2: to put in in. FALL i, mean of, course, again
Speaker 2: as we've often, said if you get a good, deal
Speaker 2: what the. Heck but you, know if you're paying full
Speaker 2: price and you really want to make sure the plant
Speaker 2: has the best possible opportunity to get established and withstand
Speaker 2: the challenges of, winter early spring planting is so key
Speaker 2: because that will give it the longest possible time to
Speaker 2: get roots established and be able to withstand you, know those.
Speaker 2: Conditions so that's especially IMPORTANT i think with evergreens like the.
Speaker 2: CRYPTOMERIA i don't THINK i think That cryptomeria is believed
Speaker 2: to be less hardy than it actually. Is we have
Speaker 2: quite a few in our trial gardens here In West.
Speaker 2: Michigan now we ARE Usda zone SIX b because we
Speaker 2: have the benefit of the lake kind of making things
Speaker 2: a little bit more mild in the winter and a
Speaker 2: little bit nicer in the summer as. Well but we
Speaker 2: get no winter damage at all on, cryptomeria and we've
Speaker 2: had no real winter damage on The chittelpa either on Al. Nino,
Speaker 2: now this is kind of a difficult plant because it's
Speaker 2: the only one, around so it's not like we can
Speaker 2: really take you, know what people are saying about this
Speaker 2: species or this genus and, say, okay well you know
Speaker 2: this one is like, this so we are kind of
Speaker 2: blazing new. Ground BUT i would say so if as
Speaker 2: long as you're planting it in a sunny, spot well,
Speaker 2: drained which is also often very crucial for these plants
Speaker 2: when we're trying to push the hardiness, OWN i would
Speaker 2: say you have a very high likelihood of success With El.
Speaker 2: Nino the only thing is that you want to be aware.
Speaker 2: Of it may die back to the, ground especially if
Speaker 2: you have a very harsh. Winter don't consider it. Dead
Speaker 2: don't just write it. Off give it some time to,
Speaker 2: emerge because it can emerge from its roots much like
Speaker 2: a butterfly bush or. Carryopteris so don't write it, off
Speaker 2: be patient with. It and that's you, know very often
Speaker 2: the case with these. Things so it can be. Done
Speaker 2: just make sure that you're doing your work in early,
Speaker 2: spring giving it the longest possible time to. Establish and of,
Speaker 2: course as always welch is a very good friend for
Speaker 2: getting these plants through.
Speaker 1: Winter it, is AND i have nothing to, Add stacy
Speaker 1: EXCEPT i did plant In El nino in my yard In.
Speaker 3: October, okay so we'll see.
Speaker 1: What, happens because your advice is really.
Speaker 2: Good, WELL i actually overwintered some Al nino's in containers
Speaker 2: in my, yard which of course you should never. Do
Speaker 2: but AS i THINK i was talking about a few weeks,
Speaker 2: ago you, know you get free plants in this, job
Speaker 2: and you don't always get them in and THEY i.
Speaker 2: Have obviously they haven't leaked out, yet but they seem
Speaker 2: perfectly fine and completely unfazed by our. Winters.
Speaker 1: Awesome Cheryl innn, WRITES i have several new spilled wine
Speaker 1: Wou jela in my. Yard this is a plant that
Speaker 1: you featured last week in our groundcover. Show one of
Speaker 1: them seems to be struggling from the. Beginning instead of purplish,
Speaker 1: leaves they seem to have been more on the brown
Speaker 1: side and very little.
Speaker 3: GROWTH i couldn't.
Speaker 1: Find a photo when it had, leaves But i'm sending
Speaker 1: a current. One not sure if it will be helpful at.
Speaker 1: All can it be some sort of? SCALE i try
Speaker 1: to stay organic as much as.
Speaker 2: Possible, okay so we will Have cherylyn's photo of course
Speaker 2: on the YouTube version and in the show. Notes And,
Speaker 2: cherylyn know what you're actually seeing is it's a lentis.
Speaker 2: Sills and it's a fun. Word, yeah, yeah. Yeah so
Speaker 2: all plants have lentis, sills but not all lentisils are very.
Speaker 2: Visible and so what a lentisill is is just kind
Speaker 2: of a raised bump on the stems of a. Plant
Speaker 2: and when and so some plants will have a lot
Speaker 2: of lentisils and make you, go oh, gosh there's something
Speaker 2: wrong with. That and some we'll just have one here or,
Speaker 2: there and why do you is one of those with
Speaker 2: a lot of. Lentisills and because they are little raised
Speaker 2: bumps on the, stems people tend to think it's some
Speaker 2: sort of you, know disease or insect. Infestation so, No,
Speaker 2: cherylyn don't. Worry you don't have to spray. Anything you
Speaker 2: do not have. Scale you have your normal lentisils on the.
Speaker 2: Plant if it has more lentiscills than its. Neighbors sometimes
Speaker 2: that happens too due to cultural, conditions the fact that
Speaker 2: it hasn't grown and the foliage seems kind of brown
Speaker 2: suggests to me that it probably needs a little more.
Speaker 2: Water it's possible that your particular where this particular plant,
Speaker 2: is there is perhaps some tree roots in the area
Speaker 2: that are robbing water away from, it even if the
Speaker 2: neighboring plants that you also planted are totally. Fine SO
Speaker 2: i would keep an eye on. It and you, know
Speaker 2: don't forget that when a plant maybe isn't getting as much,
Speaker 2: water you can. Check you can take a shovel and
Speaker 2: just dig around a little bit and see what's going
Speaker 2: on under the. Surface BUT i have had, it you
Speaker 2: know where a tree root will take more water away from,
Speaker 2: something even though it's neighbors are totally. Fine so between
Speaker 2: the brown foliage and the little, growth that definitely suggests
Speaker 2: to me a little more. Water don't worry about the
Speaker 2: lentisills and hopefully it should start to turn around this
Speaker 2: season and.
Speaker 1: We all learned something. New lentisylls is not a.
Speaker 2: Soup next.
Speaker 3: Two next, Question, terry is a great.
Speaker 1: QUESTION i would like to know your recommendation for growing
Speaker 1: a basil that is both prolific and does not go
Speaker 1: to seed. Quickly that's a Great.
Speaker 2: Isn't that such a good, question because everybody loves. Basil,
Speaker 2: okay not everybody loves, basil but there are people out
Speaker 2: there who hate. BASIL i love basil as. Well and,
Speaker 2: yeah so when, basil if you haven't grown it, before
Speaker 2: when basil goes to, seed its foliage tends to become quite,
Speaker 2: strong which may or may not be such a bad,
Speaker 2: thing but certainly not necessarily suitable to a delicate application
Speaker 2: like a cuprazy. Salad BUT i have great news for, You.
Speaker 2: Terry there is a basil that never, flowers and it
Speaker 2: Is pesto perpetuo. Basil, now there was a long time
Speaker 2: WHERE i could find this plant. Easily over the last
Speaker 2: couple of, YEARS i have unfortunately had trouble finding. It
Speaker 2: but it's very easy to spot in the garden center
Speaker 2: if they carry. It because it is also a variegated,
Speaker 2: basil so it's kind of like a mint green and white.
Speaker 2: Variegation it naturally grows into a dense columnar. FORM i
Speaker 2: have grown this many. Years it never ever, flowers and
Speaker 2: in years Where i've had a lot of different types of,
Speaker 2: basil this is the one THAT i can continue to
Speaker 2: harvest on clear up until. Frost i've even brought it
Speaker 2: in it usually, defoliates but if you have bright sun
Speaker 2: and good air, circulation you might be able to get it.
Speaker 2: Through i've also found that the proven winners a masal
Speaker 2: basil does pretty. Well, yeah so that one's. Great that
Speaker 2: one has been slow to bolt or flower for. Me
Speaker 2: some people will say that the foliage is thicker and
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit less delicate than certain other culinary basil.
Speaker 2: Varieties BUT i would also, say so those are two
Speaker 2: varieties that you can check out if you can find.
Speaker 2: Them BUT i would also say this is somewhat of
Speaker 2: a cultural issue as. Well, now there is a point,
Speaker 2: where of, course you cannot possibly keep your basil from.
Speaker 2: Flowering usually that comes somewhere around Early august and things
Speaker 2: just like signs OUT i got a. Flower but there's
Speaker 2: a couple of things you can. Do first of, all
Speaker 2: instead of just harvesting what you need sort of like,
Speaker 2: midsummer maybe around like fourth Of july or a little bit,
Speaker 2: after just cut the whole thing back to get that
Speaker 2: fresh new growth out of, it and then that will
Speaker 2: really delay its. Flowering and the other thing that you
Speaker 2: can do or in combination with, that is succession. Sewing
Speaker 2: so don't just plant one crop of basil at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the season and call it. Done save some
Speaker 2: seed or take cuttings of your plants and continue to
Speaker 2: plant out fresh ones through the. Season and by staggering
Speaker 2: those start, times you'll have a much longer harvest.
Speaker 1: Window, yeah that's, great great. Advice and, again the new
Speaker 1: cultivars like a masal basil is just fantastic in that
Speaker 1: they're not going to easily, flower similar to how they've
Speaker 1: developed colius in the landscape a foliage plant and keep
Speaker 1: it from. Bolting we used to always have to cut
Speaker 1: that back too and pinch. It.
Speaker 2: YEAH i was actually kind of surprised you didn't have
Speaker 2: colius as one of your least. Favorites, NO i Like,
Speaker 2: NO i used to Like Wizard, Mix.
Speaker 3: Oh Wizard.
Speaker 2: Mix all, right on that.
Speaker 1: These are old fashioned varieties from the seventies and, eighties
Speaker 1: like Red Hot sally Or boyleboy marigolds and Boy O.
Speaker 3: Boy we're going to talk about this further in the next. Segment,
Speaker 3: yeah so stay.
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Speaker 1: Com welcome back to The Gardening Simplified. Show today for branching,
Speaker 1: news we'll continue the speed round Because, STACY i gotta
Speaker 1: be honest with. YOU i find this fun and it's
Speaker 1: kind of cleansing for.
Speaker 2: Me, yes you, have you, KNOW i feel like you
Speaker 2: really let your true sell show through one the fakio.
Speaker 2: Today it's been it's been, lovely it's been. Delightful vegetable
Speaker 2: that you hate, growing not eating, necessarily because those could
Speaker 2: be two totally different.
Speaker 1: Things it's a kind of vegetable, asparagus fern or spring a.
Speaker 3: Eye cannot stand that.
Speaker 1: Stuff my arms just itch like crazy again handled thousands
Speaker 1: of those. Things spring a.
Speaker 2: EYE i also hate.
Speaker 3: Those why do people grow?
Speaker 1: SPRING i don't know they.
Speaker 2: And yeah they just again they're Not they're not attractive
Speaker 2: enough to be worth their. Trouble BUT i do love
Speaker 2: actual asparagus, plants even THOUGH i Hate, OH i like the.
Speaker 3: Asparagus, OH i like eating. ASPARAGUS i love the.
Speaker 2: PLANT i don't like the. Vegetable but the vegetable THAT
Speaker 2: i hate growing in a. Way this was a tough
Speaker 2: one for, me But i'm gonna put this one out
Speaker 2: there tomatillo because tomatillos are very easy to, grow you.
Speaker 2: Know and WHAT i have found is you plant, them
Speaker 2: they start to self. Sew and for whatever REASON i
Speaker 2: do not. Know And adrian is nodding because this has
Speaker 2: happened to her as, well for whatever REASON i don't don't.
Speaker 2: Know those subsequent generations the fruit never. Matures so you're
Speaker 2: sitting there, going, hey this is. COOL i got free
Speaker 2: tomatillos coming up from last. Year you wait all, Season
Speaker 2: august comes, around you, like go out there and you
Speaker 2: feel those, puffy little you, know. Puffs there's nothing in.
Speaker 2: There you're just, like what the heck just. Happened i've
Speaker 2: devoted space to this free tomatillo plant all season and
Speaker 2: it's not doing anything for. Me So i've had too
Speaker 2: much tomatio. Frustration so that's why it's going on as
Speaker 2: my vegetable THAT i hate growing but not. Eating that's.
Speaker 2: Great what weed do you hate the?
Speaker 1: Most it's a tie between broad, leaf, helleborine the weedy orchid.
Speaker 2: Ye and nuts. Edge, ooh nuts edge drives me. Crazy
Speaker 2: you know, What i'm gonna go a Little pollyanna on
Speaker 2: nutsedge and say that it's at least fun to.
Speaker 1: Pull it is fun to, pull, agreed agreed.
Speaker 2: Therapeutic, yeah it's got like a, nice like. Satisfying now
Speaker 2: the problem, is of, course when you have a huge
Speaker 2: patch of it and then you're, Like i'm gonna be
Speaker 2: here all. Day but, overall the weed THAT i hate
Speaker 2: the most is just any grass, weed like any grass
Speaker 2: that's like from your lawn and coming into your. Beds,
Speaker 2: okay because you, know, really get back where you. Belong
Speaker 2: don't come in. Here this is for these plants that's
Speaker 2: for you stay, there especially runner. Grasses AND i don't
Speaker 2: know my grass is well enough to say which particular
Speaker 2: Culprit i'm thinking. OF i can picture, it because it's
Speaker 2: terrible one in my.
Speaker 1: GARDEN i think a lot of people would agree With bermuda,
Speaker 1: grass which has the above ground runners we Call stolen's,
Speaker 1: right and then of course quack, grass which has the.
Speaker 3: Underground rise a quack.
Speaker 1: Grass it's probably quack. Grass and by the, way programming,
Speaker 1: note for, me a weed that really doesn't bother me
Speaker 1: is poison.
Speaker 3: Ivy oh, Really AND i think the fall color is.
Speaker 2: Spectacular it is quite a lovely fall, color BUT i
Speaker 2: wouldn't wish it on. ANYBODY i did almost put vine
Speaker 2: as a, category and partly because some of our listeners
Speaker 2: did Say virginia creeper was a plant particularly, hate and
Speaker 2: trumpet vine also came. Up which, trumpetvine if you've had
Speaker 2: a good experience with, it you're probably, like how could
Speaker 2: someone say? That but if you've had a bad, experience you're,
Speaker 2: like mm, Hmm, YEAH i get, it because.
Speaker 1: You can like trumpet. Vine you just have to get
Speaker 1: rough with. It you have to show it it's who's.
Speaker 1: Boss you got to be willing to root print. It
Speaker 1: if you don't do, that, yeah it can kind of
Speaker 1: take over a.
Speaker 2: House and, all speaking of, houses what is a tropical
Speaker 2: or houseplant that you? Hate?
Speaker 1: Oh for YEARS i was a tropical houseplant buyer for
Speaker 1: in the garden center, Industry so this one's easy for.
Speaker 1: Me cannot stand. Deefenbakia there's a reason they call it dumb.
Speaker 2: Cane, yes because if you bite, it it will make
Speaker 2: your tongue. Swell and you can't make your tongue.
Speaker 1: Swell it doesn't ship, well it doesn't move.
Speaker 3: Well you put it near a.
Speaker 1: Window you even say cold weather near, it it will.
Speaker 1: WILT i don't like.
Speaker 2: Deefenbakia just you, know WHEN i was young and just
Speaker 2: getting into, PLANTS i pruned a different bakia to take
Speaker 2: cuttings and drop of sap splashed into my eye AND
Speaker 2: i had to go and have it irrigated in the
Speaker 2: in the. Er that was, fine but you, know so fun. Anyway, yeah, Uh,
Speaker 2: RICK i know you like this, plant BUT i am
Speaker 2: not a fan of. CROTON i love, crotons and you,
Speaker 2: KNOW i feel like WHEN i WHEN i was writing this,
Speaker 2: Down i'm thinking it goes back to my same distaste
Speaker 2: of whutunia because there is kind of some similarity in that,
Speaker 2: variegation like that red and yellow and dark.
Speaker 3: Green it's a mish.
Speaker 2: MASH i don't know it's it's just maybe it's like
Speaker 2: Too christmasy or something like. THAT i just not a.
Speaker 1: Fan but there's many different types of, croton so, yeah
Speaker 1: there Are i'm gonna work.
Speaker 2: On all, right all, RIGHT i, Mean I'm i'll keep
Speaker 2: an open. Mind i'll keep an open mind about almost
Speaker 2: any of. This but barbary and agapodium mark not In
Speaker 2: Bradford paranora, maple no open mindedness happened in. There, okay,
Speaker 2: last but not, least a garden tool that you.
Speaker 1: Hate, NOW i know you expect me to say, ho
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i do not like. Hoses, HOWEVER i am going
Speaker 1: to say riding. Lawnmowers they drive me. CRAZY i watch
Speaker 1: people on those things compacting their. Turf, NOW i, know
Speaker 1: in some situations you have to have a riding, lawnmower
Speaker 1: but in some cases you see people out there spinning
Speaker 1: around the grass does not need to be cut because
Speaker 1: we need to raise the blade on the moor to get,
Speaker 1: good healthy, turf and they're out there scalping it with
Speaker 1: a riding, lawnmower kicking up.
Speaker 3: All kinds of dust and.
Speaker 1: Debris i've got a neighbor that loves his riding. Lawnmower
Speaker 1: he rides that thing twice a, day whether the lawn
Speaker 1: needs it or.
Speaker 3: Not and of course the lawn doesn't need.
Speaker 1: It And i'm trying to sit there peacefully at my
Speaker 1: house and boom that.
Speaker 3: Lawnmower, oh it drives me. Nuts So i'm going to
Speaker 3: say riding. Lawnmower.
Speaker 2: Wow do people who love riding their riding lawnmowers know
Speaker 2: that you usually can ride them without.
Speaker 1: Mowing you would think because when they turn.
Speaker 2: IT i get that it's fun for people like. That
Speaker 2: could see a lot of you, know grown ups being,
Speaker 2: like this is my childhood fantasy come true And i'm
Speaker 2: just going to like ride around on my you know.
Speaker 2: Toy but that doesn't mean that you have to mow
Speaker 2: like you can just be out there with your headphones
Speaker 2: and your high school beverage and enjoying your investment in your.
Speaker 2: Writing well that's the.
Speaker 1: THING i have friends, who, yes have the cup, holder
Speaker 1: and they use that as the occasion to enjoy a nice.
Speaker 1: Beverage and, yeah but for me riding.
Speaker 2: All, Right, WELL i am going to say hoses because
Speaker 2: as important as they, are they're just. Frustrating AND i
Speaker 2: don't think there's a gardener alive who has just not
Speaker 2: had at least one negative experience with a hose where
Speaker 2: he just wanted to rip it out and throw it.
Speaker 2: Right oh, yeah we've all been.
Speaker 1: There, YEAH i use hoses in my comedy.
Speaker 3: Routine you're preaching to the.
Speaker 2: Choir so some of the listener least favorite hated plants
Speaker 2: that we did not, Discuss it didn't come up for.
Speaker 2: Us two that really stuck out to me very interestingly
Speaker 2: are very regional, invasives because WHEN i read, THESE i was, like, oh,
Speaker 2: huh so one was creeping bellflower companila or, Punkiloides and,
Speaker 2: yeah that is super invasive in the Upper midwest Like,
Speaker 2: Minneapolis minnesota And. Wisconsin what a garbage looking. Plant it's just.
Speaker 2: Horrible so sorry for anyone who's contending with.
Speaker 3: That do you feel?
Speaker 2: WELL i was just, like, Ugh and THEN i do
Speaker 2: feel Like i've seen this and tried to pull up,
Speaker 2: before and it's just a horrible plant to try to.
Speaker 2: Pull like you, know a plant that's easy to pull
Speaker 2: can kind, of you, know redeem itself a little bit
Speaker 2: by by being easy to. Pull the other One dier's woad.
Speaker 2: Yea AND i saw this and as someone who enjoys
Speaker 2: fiber arts and growing, HERBS i, thought, hm what's that all?
Speaker 2: About and this is a, horrible horrible invasive out. WEST
Speaker 2: I satus, tinctoria which was actually a very important plant
Speaker 2: in dying but is now just a, tremendous tremendously noxious
Speaker 2: weed in The, southwest and it's out.
Speaker 1: West it's an awful weed and it has a, well
Speaker 1: a characteristic of many plants that we, hate and that
Speaker 1: is it's a lellopathic.
Speaker 2: Yep prevents other plants from growing.
Speaker 1: Around, yeah so it has the reputation like spotted napweed.
Speaker 2: Yep so also burning bush came. Up not surprising, there
Speaker 2: winter creeper, vine, Honeysuckle LIKE i, said trumpet, vine you
Speaker 2: had a petunia's counterpart to your caliber CoA dislike, potentilla
Speaker 2: which you, KNOW i get a lot of potentilla's are
Speaker 2: very ho. Hum we try to do a little bit
Speaker 2: better here at proven owner's color choice. Shrubs but you,
Speaker 2: KNOW i get it you had a bad experience back
Speaker 2: in the. Day you're just, Like i'm not planting that.
Speaker 2: Thing another vote for a juga here Ye english ivy of,
Speaker 2: Course and we talked about that a few weeks ago
Speaker 2: and how some people here in The midwest are, like,
Speaker 2: Ooh ivy's so elegant and we don't tend to have
Speaker 2: a huge issue with, it whereas if you go out,
Speaker 2: west it's just an absolute Night mari We.
Speaker 1: JACE I i'm seeing hardy leadwart, plumbago and that's an,
Speaker 1: aggressive non native.
Speaker 3: GROUNDCOVER i would.
Speaker 2: Agree, Yeah so it's interesting that so many of these
Speaker 2: were are plants that are genuinely invasive and kind of
Speaker 2: like the same experience THAT i had describing, barbary you
Speaker 2: know way out At Moskiden State. Park just plants to
Speaker 2: kind of ruin our experience of. Nature so whether we're
Speaker 2: a gardener or a nature, lover when a plant disrupts that,
Speaker 2: experience you can't can't blame you for adding it to
Speaker 2: your hate.
Speaker 1: List, yeah although with steria on this list, too and
Speaker 1: of course bamboo with steria another one like trumpet, vine
Speaker 1: you got to show it whose boss do a little
Speaker 1: bit of riot. Printing and Then, stacy your favorite Dwarf
Speaker 1: alberta spruces are on here.
Speaker 2: Too two thumbs. Down not going to get my hate,
Speaker 2: list but certainly not ever going to be. Planted so
Speaker 2: with that, note we hope you enjoyed our. Conversation we
Speaker 2: hope we didn't offend, you but if we, did let
Speaker 2: us know and tell us what plant we named that you,
Speaker 2: hate because turnabout is fair. Play so thank you so, Much,
Speaker 2: rick thank You, adriana and thanks so much to all
Speaker 2: of you for listening and putting up with our rants at.
Speaker 2: Raves we hope you have a wonderful week. Ahead