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Speaker 1: Coming to you from Studio A here at Proven Winters

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Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show

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with Stacey Hervella me, Rick weisst and our engineer and

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producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacey, plants are like food, and well,

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some food you like, some foods you don't. Same thing

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with plants, as a matter of fact, some plants you

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don't like. Some you even hate. Now I think about

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that food analogy. As a kid. Once I got sick

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on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, and to this day,

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the thought of it turns my stomach.

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Speaker 2: You know what. I don't like peanut butter and jelly either. Hey, right,

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I know it's a very weird thing not to like,

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but I didn't get sick on it. But I've never

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really cared for.

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Speaker 1: It, outstanding. So today we talk about plants we hate,

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and I guess I got to say this first before

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we start. I've got to read a note from our

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prestigious lawn firm of Trillium, Sage, gall and Ivy. The

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opinions expressed on this show are solely those of Rick

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and Stacey do not reflect the views of any employer, organization,

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or sponsor. The product is provided as is and without

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warranty of any kind, either express or implied, including, but

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not limited to, our joint opinions.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, well, we have opinions and you will be

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hearing them today. And our listeners have opinions too, and

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they shared them last week on last week's episode on YouTube,

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so we've got those as well.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be fun. Now. Next year, twenty

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twenty six, Stacy, I will have been in the garden

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center industry for fifty years.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And I have to give a disclaimer here up front,

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and that is a number of the plants that I

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hate in the landscape are primarily due to the fact

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that if you unload semi loads of these things over

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fifty years, you're going to get sick of them too.

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Speaker 2: I'm yes, So it's plants you're sick of, not necessarily

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that you don't like. Well, it's both, okay, it's both, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: It's both. So we'll dive into that.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, what's for number one? You got a

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number one that you can just like come right off

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of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can tell you again, being in the garden

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center industry, plastic flowers, silk flowers. I'm so sick of

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having glitter on my nose and up my nose.

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Speaker 3: That's number one.

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Speaker 1: It's not really a plant, but they look like plant.

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The other day, I'm driving through a small town and

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I see in the distance lavender in full bloom. Oh

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here in early March in Michigan. I'm like, there's no way,

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so I go up there, and of course they're plastic flowers,

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so kind of makes the hair stand up on the

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back of my neck. But you know, sometimes it's situational.

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For example, plants that drive me crazy are people who

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will plant a hedge like privet, and then every year

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they just take a little off the top, so they've

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got naked branches up to the top where it's full

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and lush, it just looks awful. Or mailbox plantings where

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they've gone bad. In other words, as opposed to dressing

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up the male or trying to disguise the mailbox, they're

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actually calling attention to it now, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing that drives me nuts is

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overgrown lilacs. Vulgaris lilacs. I love lilacs, but overgrown lilacs

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take a pruning shares to them.

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Speaker 3: So sometimes it's the situation.

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Speaker 2: Oh interesting, I love a good overgrown lilac. I love

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that like you know, like oh I just happened into

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an enchanted place kind of vibe, like I love that.

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Speaker 3: It's good.

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Speaker 2: Let me see, this is the whole thing. We're going

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to say, plants that our listeners might actually like, and

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that is perfectly okay, because these are just our opinions

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and we hold them strongly. And for every plant we

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say that someone likes, they may hate a plant that

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you and I like, correct, and there's enough to go

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around for everybody.

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Speaker 1: So just send your notes, complaints, cards, letters to Gardening

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simplified on air dot Com Today's Limerick. They may promote

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you as being hardy, but I'm a Hordic cultural smarty,

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not part of my landscape diagram. I do not like

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green eggs and ham. You're not welcome to my garden party.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I just kind of threw that one together.

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Speaker 2: So who's not welcome? Obviously plastic flowers, but that's, you know,

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kind of a non issue. So what one plant are you?

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Speaker 1: Just? Like?

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Speaker 2: Not a snowballs? Chance is this thing going to enter

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Speaker 3: I'll give you a few of them, okay.

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Speaker 1: Fragrance embeds in your memory. Okay, Yes, So calorie pears

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or ornamental pears. They smell fishy, they smell like mothballs.

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Speaker 2: They smell horrible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they smell horrible.

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Speaker 2: Don't like them, super invasive.

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Speaker 1: Also marrigold flowers. Of course, I handled thousands and thousands

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and thousands of flats of marigolds.

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Speaker 1: My clothes smell like marigolds. That's why they drive me crazy.

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They have this acrid, unpleasant taste and smell. They're they

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just I don't like them, okay. And then stargazer lilies,

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the smell of them, the aroma. I can give you

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a description of what they smell like, but I don't

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want to come across as appearing.

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Speaker 3: Being gross, So I'm just that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: And of course trees are a long term investment. I've

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planted trees and personal landscapes before that I loved, and

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neighbors and others hated. Like a camperdown elm or I

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love cleeping beach. Love that plant. It's like a Doctor

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Speaker 3: But no.

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Speaker 1: And then of course blue is a highly desired color

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in the landscape, and so from the mid nineteen hundreds

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through nineteen eighty one of the most over planted plants

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was Colorado.

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so you put it in an area that it doesn't like.

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Speaker 1: Over time, you're gonna start dealing with canker and needle

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cast and then you start pruning out some of the

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affected branches. And you know, of course, your house doesn't grow,

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but that cute little Colorado spruce planted forty years ago

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does and it overpowers the house.

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Speaker 3: So how am I doing here?

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Speaker 2: You're good? I do want to say my most number

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one hated plants, okay, and why there's two reasons why. Okay,

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my number one most hated plant in the world. Well

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maybe not in the world, but you know that we

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grow in our gardens is egga podium po groarica Bishop's weed.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, it's on the list.

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Speaker 2: And I really hate this plant for two main reasons.

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some planted it flowered, and I actually quite enjoyed using

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them in arrangements. Still not a reason to grow it,

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but it's an ugly planet. It's a groundcover. But I

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also have a personal grudge against this plant. Oh really,

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because it may not surprise you to find out that

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my plant id skills are typically pretty great. And when

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a horticultural technique exam and a plant id exam. Yeah,

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and Agapodium pol roarica is the one single plant that

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Speaker 2: So between those two things, it is my like, you know,

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there for the Agapodium that is. And you know that

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our YouTube comments.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and they marketed it as Snow on the Mountain.

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Speaker 1: A nice name because it's variegated. See I feel that

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way about euphour.

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Speaker 3: Be a spurge.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I hate that too.

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Speaker 1: You Yeah, And there's a reason the deer don't eat.

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Speaker 2: It ch toxic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just blue boy, oh boy, marigolds. You

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know what really gets me ivy geraniums. I don't why stringy.

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They break off thousands and thousands of hanging baskets that

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Speaker 2: And oh well, I'll tell you this. Don't go to

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any pubs in Ireland in the summer because they're all

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decorated with beautiful window boxes full of ivy geraniums.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know I'm gonna get in trouble, I know that,

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but I gotta be honest.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: The same applies to Calibricoa. I just think there's just

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Speaker 3: You know, I'll walk into a greenhouse in spring.

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Speaker 1: Now. Proven Winners does a great job with their calibri coas,

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but it can be kind of unruly. It's like a

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bad hair day. I love many Vista supertunias and I'll

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Speaker 3: Of the day in my head.

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Speaker 1: Dick van Dijke and Julie Andrews super califragilistic expiala do.

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just forgive me send your notes, cards, letters. But Stacy,

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I don't like Calibri CoA baskets. Well, that is perfectly fair, okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, much worse. I just like them both.

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into the garden center, every container was geranium, spikes, Vinca Major,

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Speaker 1: I can't stand all four of them.

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Speaker 2: I grew up with that combination in my backyards. I am.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, and again honesty, okay. The reason I can't

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handle is because, again in the seventies and eighties, I

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of thousands of pots with geranium spikes and vinca vines

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that went directly to the cemetery. And so those flowers

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Speaker 2: So can't help it, all right, you haven't listened any

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Speaker 1: Oh we will in the speed Yes, I did you

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, yeah, that is a crummy one with you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what we're going to do, speed

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Speaker 2: Yes we are.

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welcome to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are friendly,

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but we are talking about plants that we hate and

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also plants that you hate, which you shared with us

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Plants that you absolutely love, plants that you hate. Sometimes

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plant is throughout the neighbor right.

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ask our YouTube listeners to comment on YouTube with the

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plants that they hate, and we can share that list later.

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But one thing that stuck out to me across this

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entire list the number one plants that people hate aren't

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really like so much like me and daylilies, where I'm

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just like, I don't like the way that plant looks

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or feels. The majority of plants that people hate are

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actually invasive plants. The list is almost entirely invasive or

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difficult to manage plants. And I'm not really clear whether

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that is because those plants are maintenance issues for the

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listeners who share that, and that is why they hate them,

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or if they hate the fact that they are so

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invasive and aggressive, whether or not they are dealing with,

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you know, with them in their yard. And you know,

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for plants on trial today, we are going to do

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a speed around, which is where we just list a

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bunch of different categories and reconi each quickly, hopefully, but sometimes,

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you know, we got to expound on it. Our least

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favorite or We're gonna give some examples of our least

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favorite plants and then tell you why. And I'm gonna

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start with shrubs, and I'm going to start with my

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most hated shrub and a little explanation why. I won't

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go this far into all of them. But I do

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feel like I need to do this for shrubs because

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I work for proven Winter's collect Choice Shrubs, and we

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do sell the shrub that I hate the most, and

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it is barbary.

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Speaker 3: I knew it.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know there's no surprises here in the studio.

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I can tell you Rick and Adriana knew this well

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about me. And you know the reason barbary is invasive,

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not everywhere you know, you go out west and people

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are growing barbary and it looks perfectly lovely. But here

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in the Midwest and the East coast, barbary is actually

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quite invasive. And I never really cared for barbary. I

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was just kind of like meh on it, you know,

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certainly going back to my landscaping days, like you and

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your truck unloading days. I didn't like planting it because

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it's prickly and you're getting all scratched up. And but

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you know, mostly I feel like barbary just does not

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do enough in the landscape to be to merit all

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of the problems that it's causing. And the first time

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that I was hiking at Uskegon State Park and I

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was way way way back, you know, like not on

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the trails, Like we were back there and it was

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fall and I see this bright red thing in the

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landscape and I said, oh, my gosh, what is that,

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you know, So we walk up to it and it's

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a barbary. And so here I am trying to get

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some peace and relaxation, enjoying the scenery, and there's a

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barbary intruding on this beautiful natural site. And that was

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like really you know, it really got me that affected you,

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and I just again don't think that barbary has enough

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aesthetic value for me to you know, merit all these

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problems that it's causing. And other people on YouTube also said.

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Speaker 1: Barbary, well, send your notes, cardage letters to Gardening Simplified

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on air dot com.

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Speaker 2: So despite my dear issues in the fact that barbary

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is very dear resistant, you will never ever, ever, ever

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ever catch a barbary in my garden. So you rick

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trub that you hate because of.

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Speaker 1: All the tr unloaded and Dora junipers and taxis, it's

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a tie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Texas is also kind of a me a plant.

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we talked about the ones in the UK and those

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are truly spectacular. But here in the US, Texas is

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nothing to write home about. As they say, tree you hate.

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Speaker 1: The mulberry tree was brought into the United States for

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the silkworms, you know, to feed the silkworms in the

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silk industry, and it of course got out and that

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tree drives me nuts. Mulberry trees and calorie pears.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so Breadford pair definitely on my list and You know,

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people love Breadford pear because it has white flowers in

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spring and that super tidy you know shape that they

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love and fall color. But bread for pear, you know,

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take a drive through the south in the early spring

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and see how it has spread, you know, into the woods,

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and it is really just so so heartbreaking. But I

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also have my most hated tree is a tie with

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no maple.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can see that.

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Speaker 2: You know, And I will give I hate, especially Crimson

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King Norway maple. But I will give Crimson King a

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seasonal pass for when it flowers because it is kind

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of cool how the yellow flowers and the purple emerging

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leaves look. But that is still not worth planting Norway

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maple because they just don't do enough. Yeah, great bulb

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that you hate.

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Speaker 1: Gonna get in trouble here. Cannot stand hyacinths. Ooh reason

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I can't stand hyacinths. I think the bloom lasts such

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a short time. I don't like the aroma of hyacinths.

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And again, working in the garden center industry, if you

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handle the bulbs, many people are allergic to them. They

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will make you itch, they will make you go crazy.

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You're itching yourself. I had one time in the winter time,

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I'm dealing with hyacinths. We force them. I had to

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take my shirt off, go outside and dive into a

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snowbank cave. I was itching so bad. Can't stand hyacinth.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that happened to me too when I will not

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quite like that. But when I was working at Martha

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Stewart Living my very first photoshoot, I was so excited.

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I was new on the job and it was an

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Easter photo shoot and we were doing all this crazy

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stuff with hyacinth flowers and I did not know about

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the itching ye, and I was absolutely miserable for the

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entire day because it's just like the sap and everything

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gets everywhere, and it's really really terrible poison. Ivy did

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come up on a number of YouTube comments, but this

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is almost that bad. It just doesn't give you a

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rash for me. Star of Bethel, Hamwich, we talked about

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last week YEP, because a listener had it as a weed.

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Very difficult to manage. You know. Also, like our listeners,

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most of my most hated plants are also invasives perennial

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that you hate.

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Speaker 1: Ladies mantle, the al camilla moolus.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, because it looks like a weed to me.

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And again, in the garden center industry, we'd set it

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out in April on the benches, it'd still be there

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in October.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's such like a gardener plant, like

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you know, it's like English gardens.

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Speaker 1: I vibes, I'm going to get.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just a little surprised. That's all. Of course,

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mine is daily. As we have already discussed, not a

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lot of people when our YouTube comments mentioned lilies, and

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I think they they were mostly implying that they hate

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the ditch lilies or you know, the ones that grow

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wild in all of the ditches. And it's true that

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orange is terrible, and I love orange, but the orange

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of that plant is just ghastly. But I even hate

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the ornamental daylilies, as I discussed. Their thick petals are

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gross and absorbent and weird and look like diapers, and

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I do not like to look at them or certainly

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touch them. Groundcover, you hate ground cover?

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Speaker 1: Of course, I could say Bishop Scout weed, but I'm

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gonna say a juga. Oh, a juga is not a

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Caribbean island that you go to in winter to vacation. Rather,

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it's a it's a non native ground cut that tends

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to get thrips and mites and just doesn't perform. And again,

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I handled hundreds of thousands of pots of a juga.

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It's also known as bugle wheat.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, I've rarely seen is as much as

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a juga is sold as a groundcover, I have rarely

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seen like a really good, solid planting of a juga

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as a groundcover.

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Speaker 1: Well, people will argue chocolate chip, you know, some of

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the newer varieties in There are some good varieties out there,

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But I can do without a juga.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Mine is going to be heetunia, Yeah, chameleon plant.

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We've talked about it many times on the show because

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people will write us in desperation, what do I do

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about this horrible, smelly, weird looking plant, because yeah, not

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only does it have a terrible weird fragrance, the foliage

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does you know that variegation I really don't like. So

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it's like yellow and green and red. And you know

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the other thing about houtunia is any little piece of

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this plant that is falls on the soil or remains

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and the soil will grow and it is just very

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difficult to manage and eradicate. And again it's just it's

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too ugly to be that aggressive. I guess it's a problem. Okay,

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now you've given us a lot of annuals that you hate,

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But what's going to be your your go to here

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in spect.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna leave it with ivy geraniums and say

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no more because I'm in deep right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So mine is Salvius Blendins. Really yes, So now

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there's a lot of wonderful salva's out there that I

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do enjoy. But if you're not familiar with Sealvius Blendon's,

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and I don't really know that it has like another

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common name that I'm not thinking of. But this is

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like the old fashioned single stem salvia usually red, sometimes purple,

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sometimes white, that comes up and has the bracks and

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then the little flowers that come out of it, and

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it's just like yeah, like that, Yeah, so I think

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that's yeah. So I really don't like that. Although Prooven

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Winners did come out with some new cultivars that I

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did trial last year and I didn't hate, but they're

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a far cry from the ones that I'm talking about. Also,

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not really fan of Porta Laca.

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Speaker 3: M interesting. I would disagree with you there.

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Speaker 2: I love it, oh so interesting, even like the ones

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with the thin leaves are just the one. The newer

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ones with the new.

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Speaker 1: Ones, like the Mohave series, they're incredible.

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Speaker 2: You know. I guess maybe when I'm retired, I will

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also like Portulacca more. But for working people, it's not

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a good plan because the flowers close up when you

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get home.

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Speaker 1: I feel a little old now. Advan is cracking up

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over there.

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Speaker 2: All right, listen, I have a few more speed round questions.

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We'll have to save those.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to do those, because I'm looking at this.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna be good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we will come back to that in segod form.

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But we're going to take a break now and when

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we come back to answer your garden questions. So stay tuned.

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Color Choice dot com. Greetings gardening friends, and welcome back

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to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are talking about

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plants we hate. But we're taking a little break from

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that conversation to answer your gardening questions. And you know,

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I picked these questions today because they were timely, but

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I also realize just now that all of them do

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actually include plants that I actually like, Yeah, not about

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plants that I hate. So if you have a question,

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whether even if it is rather about a plant that

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Rick and I hate, we will still be happy to

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help you. You can reach us at Gardening Simplified on

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air dot com, or of course leave a comment on YouTube,

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because we do look at all of those and appreciate

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your engagement. So Rick, what we got in the mail

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bag today?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Sue is writing to us. Hello, I love your show.

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I'm in Zone five B, Northwest suburb of Chicago. I

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ordered an El Nino che tulpa. Right is the plannxiation

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for us? If you're keeping score at home, I'm taking

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a chance because the plant is listed as zones six

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through nine. But I really love the look while watching

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others grow it in warmer zones. I'm going to plant

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it in a protected sunny area of my property, plan

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on mulching around it in late fall. But is there

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something else I could do to increase my chances of survival?

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I would also love to get a cryptomeria, which is

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00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,160
zone six'. Nine SHOULD i quit trying to push the

471
00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:40,559
zones because it could get?

472
00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:43,839
Speaker 3: Expensive? Oh, No, sue push the zoncial.

473
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: Zones push the. Zones, yes it can get. Expensive and

474
00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:50,599
that's something you. Know it's to me when when a

475
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,440
gardener is pushing the, zones it just becomes kind of

476
00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:56,960
a ven diagram of like you know where the push

477
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,480
and pull, Is like how much are you willing to

478
00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:02,960
invest in time and money versus you, know your expected

479
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,079
benefit of that? Plant BUT i wanted to answer who's question,

480
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,200
now especially because the number one piece of ADVICE i

481
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,519
can give to anyone who wants to push the hardiness

482
00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:16,200
zone of a plant in their yard is to plant

483
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,559
it as early as possible in. Spring, now don't you?

484
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:20,400
Know plant it now and we're still going to get

485
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,039
lots of cold weather and the soil is not really

486
00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:25,640
ready for planting. Anyway but as soon as planting opens

487
00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:28,519
up for your, area sure that is when you want

488
00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:30,240
to plant. That these are not plants that you want

489
00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:32,000
to put in in. FALL i, mean of, course, again

490
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,519
as we've often, said if you get a good, deal

491
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,079
what the. Heck but you, know if you're paying full

492
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,880
price and you really want to make sure the plant

493
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,759
has the best possible opportunity to get established and withstand

494
00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:46,279
the challenges of, winter early spring planting is so key

495
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:49,079
because that will give it the longest possible time to

496
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,319
get roots established and be able to withstand you, know those.

497
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,640
Conditions so that's especially IMPORTANT i think with evergreens like the.

498
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,519
CRYPTOMERIA i don't THINK i think That cryptomeria is believed

499
00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:05,640
to be less hardy than it actually. Is we have

500
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,640
quite a few in our trial gardens here In West.

501
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,759
Michigan now we ARE Usda zone SIX b because we

502
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,359
have the benefit of the lake kind of making things

503
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,319
a little bit more mild in the winter and a

504
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,279
little bit nicer in the summer as. Well but we

505
00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:23,480
get no winter damage at all on, cryptomeria and we've

506
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:27,160
had no real winter damage on The chittelpa either on Al. Nino,

507
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,079
now this is kind of a difficult plant because it's

508
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,680
the only one, around so it's not like we can

509
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,279
really take you, know what people are saying about this

510
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,039
species or this genus and, say, okay well you know

511
00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:40,279
this one is like, this so we are kind of

512
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,599
blazing new. Ground BUT i would say so if as

513
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,519
long as you're planting it in a sunny, spot well,

514
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,079
drained which is also often very crucial for these plants

515
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,759
when we're trying to push the hardiness, OWN i would

516
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:53,640
say you have a very high likelihood of success With El.

517
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,640
Nino the only thing is that you want to be aware.

518
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,640
Of it may die back to the, ground especially if

519
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,000
you have a very harsh. Winter don't consider it. Dead

520
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,039
don't just write it. Off give it some time to,

521
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:10,440
emerge because it can emerge from its roots much like

522
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,200
a butterfly bush or. Carryopteris so don't write it, off

523
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,279
be patient with. It and that's you, know very often

524
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,759
the case with these. Things so it can be. Done

525
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,160
just make sure that you're doing your work in early,

526
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,759
spring giving it the longest possible time to. Establish and of,

527
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:27,440
course as always welch is a very good friend for

528
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,359
getting these plants through.

529
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: Winter it, is AND i have nothing to, Add stacy

530
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,880
EXCEPT i did plant In El nino in my yard In.

531
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: October, okay so we'll see.

532
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: What, happens because your advice is really.

533
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: Good, WELL i actually overwintered some Al nino's in containers

534
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,599
in my, yard which of course you should never. Do

535
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,839
but AS i THINK i was talking about a few weeks,

536
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,079
ago you, know you get free plants in this, job

537
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,519
and you don't always get them in and THEY i.

538
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:52,480
Have obviously they haven't leaked out, yet but they seem

539
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:55,319
perfectly fine and completely unfazed by our. Winters.

540
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:59,039
Speaker 1: Awesome Cheryl innn, WRITES i have several new spilled wine

541
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,839
Wou jela in my. Yard this is a plant that

542
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,440
you featured last week in our groundcover. Show one of

543
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,640
them seems to be struggling from the. Beginning instead of purplish,

544
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,720
leaves they seem to have been more on the brown

545
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:14,000
side and very little.

546
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,319
Speaker 3: GROWTH i couldn't.

547
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,599
Speaker 1: Find a photo when it had, leaves But i'm sending

548
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,720
a current. One not sure if it will be helpful at.

549
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:24,319
All can it be some sort of? SCALE i try

550
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,599
to stay organic as much as.

551
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 2: Possible, okay so we will Have cherylyn's photo of course

552
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,880
on the YouTube version and in the show. Notes And,

553
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,960
cherylyn know what you're actually seeing is it's a lentis.

554
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,599
Sills and it's a fun. Word, yeah, yeah. Yeah so

555
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:44,359
all plants have lentis, sills but not all lentisils are very.

556
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,440
Visible and so what a lentisill is is just kind

557
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,480
of a raised bump on the stems of a. Plant

558
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,559
and when and so some plants will have a lot

559
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:55,480
of lentisils and make you, go oh, gosh there's something

560
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:57,559
wrong with. That and some we'll just have one here or,

561
00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:00,720
there and why do you is one of those with

562
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,839
a lot of. Lentisills and because they are little raised

563
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,720
bumps on the, stems people tend to think it's some

564
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:10,319
sort of you, know disease or insect. Infestation so, No,

565
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:12,720
cherylyn don't. Worry you don't have to spray. Anything you

566
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,440
do not have. Scale you have your normal lentisils on the.

567
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,279
Plant if it has more lentiscills than its. Neighbors sometimes

568
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:22,160
that happens too due to cultural, conditions the fact that

569
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,799
it hasn't grown and the foliage seems kind of brown

570
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,000
suggests to me that it probably needs a little more.

571
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:32,119
Water it's possible that your particular where this particular plant,

572
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,519
is there is perhaps some tree roots in the area

573
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:37,039
that are robbing water away from, it even if the

574
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,839
neighboring plants that you also planted are totally. Fine SO

575
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,319
i would keep an eye on. It and you, know

576
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,839
don't forget that when a plant maybe isn't getting as much,

577
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,680
water you can. Check you can take a shovel and

578
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,480
just dig around a little bit and see what's going

579
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,960
on under the. Surface BUT i have had, it you

580
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,200
know where a tree root will take more water away from,

581
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:59,119
something even though it's neighbors are totally. Fine so between

582
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,039
the brown foliage and the little, growth that definitely suggests

583
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:04,400
to me a little more. Water don't worry about the

584
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,160
lentisills and hopefully it should start to turn around this

585
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:07,960
season and.

586
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: We all learned something. New lentisylls is not a.

587
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:11,839
Speaker 2: Soup next.

588
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,839
Speaker 3: Two next, Question, terry is a great.

589
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: QUESTION i would like to know your recommendation for growing

590
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,039
a basil that is both prolific and does not go

591
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,119
to seed. Quickly that's a Great.

592
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: Isn't that such a good, question because everybody loves. Basil,

593
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,200
okay not everybody loves, basil but there are people out

594
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,480
there who hate. BASIL i love basil as. Well and,

595
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,559
yeah so when, basil if you haven't grown it, before

596
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:37,160
when basil goes to, seed its foliage tends to become quite,

597
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,720
strong which may or may not be such a bad,

598
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:43,480
thing but certainly not necessarily suitable to a delicate application

599
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,799
like a cuprazy. Salad BUT i have great news for, You.

600
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,480
Terry there is a basil that never, flowers and it

601
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:54,599
Is pesto perpetuo. Basil, now there was a long time

602
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,359
WHERE i could find this plant. Easily over the last

603
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:00,240
couple of, YEARS i have unfortunately had trouble finding. It

604
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:02,880
but it's very easy to spot in the garden center

605
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,119
if they carry. It because it is also a variegated,

606
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,599
basil so it's kind of like a mint green and white.

607
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,720
Variegation it naturally grows into a dense columnar. FORM i

608
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,160
have grown this many. Years it never ever, flowers and

609
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:18,519
in years Where i've had a lot of different types of,

610
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:21,160
basil this is the one THAT i can continue to

611
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,079
harvest on clear up until. Frost i've even brought it

612
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:27,519
in it usually, defoliates but if you have bright sun

613
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:29,359
and good air, circulation you might be able to get it.

614
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,079
Through i've also found that the proven winners a masal

615
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:35,920
basil does pretty. Well, yeah so that one's. Great that

616
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,440
one has been slow to bolt or flower for. Me

617
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,400
some people will say that the foliage is thicker and

618
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,319
maybe a little bit less delicate than certain other culinary basil.

619
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,319
Varieties BUT i would also, say so those are two

620
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:50,599
varieties that you can check out if you can find.

621
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,839
Them BUT i would also say this is somewhat of

622
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:56,400
a cultural issue as. Well, now there is a point,

623
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,799
where of, course you cannot possibly keep your basil from.

624
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:01,680
Flowering usually that comes somewhere around Early august and things

625
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,880
just like signs OUT i got a. Flower but there's

626
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,000
a couple of things you can. Do first of, all

627
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:10,440
instead of just harvesting what you need sort of like,

628
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:13,799
midsummer maybe around like fourth Of july or a little bit,

629
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:16,240
after just cut the whole thing back to get that

630
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:18,519
fresh new growth out of, it and then that will

631
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,680
really delay its. Flowering and the other thing that you

632
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,599
can do or in combination with, that is succession. Sewing

633
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,079
so don't just plant one crop of basil at the

634
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:32,160
beginning of the season and call it. Done save some

635
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,039
seed or take cuttings of your plants and continue to

636
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:39,480
plant out fresh ones through the. Season and by staggering

637
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:42,559
those start, times you'll have a much longer harvest.

638
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:46,279
Speaker 1: Window, yeah that's, great great. Advice and, again the new

639
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:51,559
cultivars like a masal basil is just fantastic in that

640
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:55,720
they're not going to easily, flower similar to how they've

641
00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:59,720
developed colius in the landscape a foliage plant and keep

642
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,119
it from. Bolting we used to always have to cut

643
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,359
that back too and pinch. It.

644
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:05,119
Speaker 2: YEAH i was actually kind of surprised you didn't have

645
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,559
colius as one of your least. Favorites, NO i Like,

646
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,640
NO i used to Like Wizard, Mix.

647
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:10,839
Speaker 3: Oh Wizard.

648
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,799
Speaker 2: Mix all, right on that.

649
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:18,319
Speaker 1: These are old fashioned varieties from the seventies and, eighties

650
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:21,759
like Red Hot sally Or boyleboy marigolds and Boy O.

651
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,519
Speaker 3: Boy we're going to talk about this further in the next. Segment,

652
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,559
yeah so stay.

653
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:34,079
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Speaker 1: Com welcome back to The Gardening Simplified. Show today for branching,

659
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:53,160
news we'll continue the speed round Because, STACY i gotta

660
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,079
be honest with. YOU i find this fun and it's

661
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,279
kind of cleansing for.

662
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: Me, yes you, have you, KNOW i feel like you

663
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,319
really let your true sell show through one the fakio.

664
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,799
Today it's been it's been, lovely it's been. Delightful vegetable

665
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,599
that you hate, growing not eating, necessarily because those could

666
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:08,519
be two totally different.

667
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: Things it's a kind of vegetable, asparagus fern or spring a.

668
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: Eye cannot stand that.

669
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: Stuff my arms just itch like crazy again handled thousands

670
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:20,759
of those. Things spring a.

671
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: EYE i also hate.

672
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: Those why do people grow?

673
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: SPRING i don't know they.

674
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: And yeah they just again they're Not they're not attractive

675
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,160
enough to be worth their. Trouble BUT i do love

676
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,680
actual asparagus, plants even THOUGH i Hate, OH i like the.

677
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: Asparagus, OH i like eating. ASPARAGUS i love the.

678
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: PLANT i don't like the. Vegetable but the vegetable THAT

679
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,720
i hate growing in a. Way this was a tough

680
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,440
one for, me But i'm gonna put this one out

681
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,720
there tomatillo because tomatillos are very easy to, grow you.

682
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:52,160
Know and WHAT i have found is you plant, them

683
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,640
they start to self. Sew and for whatever REASON i

684
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,480
do not. Know And adrian is nodding because this has

685
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,200
happened to her as, well for whatever REASON i don't don't.

686
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,119
Know those subsequent generations the fruit never. Matures so you're

687
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:06,960
sitting there, going, hey this is. COOL i got free

688
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:10,360
tomatillos coming up from last. Year you wait all, Season

689
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:12,719
august comes, around you, like go out there and you

690
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,960
feel those, puffy little you, know. Puffs there's nothing in.

691
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,599
There you're just, like what the heck just. Happened i've

692
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:23,039
devoted space to this free tomatillo plant all season and

693
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:27,840
it's not doing anything for. Me So i've had too

694
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,719
much tomatio. Frustration so that's why it's going on as

695
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,159
my vegetable THAT i hate growing but not. Eating that's.

696
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,960
Great what weed do you hate the?

697
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: Most it's a tie between broad, leaf, helleborine the weedy orchid.

698
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: Ye and nuts. Edge, ooh nuts edge drives me. Crazy

699
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,079
you know, What i'm gonna go a Little pollyanna on

700
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,079
nutsedge and say that it's at least fun to.

701
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:55,119
Speaker 1: Pull it is fun to, pull, agreed agreed.

702
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: Therapeutic, yeah it's got like a, nice like. Satisfying now

703
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,039
the problem, is of, course when you have a huge

704
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:03,280
patch of it and then you're, Like i'm gonna be

705
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,440
here all. Day but, overall the weed THAT i hate

706
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,360
the most is just any grass, weed like any grass

707
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,519
that's like from your lawn and coming into your. Beds,

708
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,800
okay because you, know, really get back where you. Belong

709
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,159
don't come in. Here this is for these plants that's

710
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,360
for you stay, there especially runner. Grasses AND i don't

711
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,559
know my grass is well enough to say which particular

712
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,079
Culprit i'm thinking. OF i can picture, it because it's

713
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:25,840
terrible one in my.

714
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,199
Speaker 1: GARDEN i think a lot of people would agree With bermuda,

715
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,599
grass which has the above ground runners we Call stolen's,

716
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,599
right and then of course quack, grass which has the.

717
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: Underground rise a quack.

718
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: Grass it's probably quack. Grass and by the, way programming,

719
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,360
note for, me a weed that really doesn't bother me

720
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:45,000
is poison.

721
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,519
Speaker 3: Ivy oh, Really AND i think the fall color is.

722
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: Spectacular it is quite a lovely fall, color BUT i

723
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,679
wouldn't wish it on. ANYBODY i did almost put vine

724
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,320
as a, category and partly because some of our listeners

725
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,079
did Say virginia creeper was a plant particularly, hate and

726
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:03,920
trumpet vine also came. Up which, trumpetvine if you've had

727
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,239
a good experience with, it you're probably, like how could

728
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,239
someone say? That but if you've had a bad, experience you're,

729
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,199
like mm, Hmm, YEAH i get, it because.

730
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,199
Speaker 1: You can like trumpet. Vine you just have to get

731
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,360
rough with. It you have to show it it's who's.

732
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,280
Boss you got to be willing to root print. It

733
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:19,599
if you don't do, that, yeah it can kind of

734
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:20,159
take over a.

735
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:24,599
Speaker 2: House and, all speaking of, houses what is a tropical

736
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:25,760
or houseplant that you? Hate?

737
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: Oh for YEARS i was a tropical houseplant buyer for

738
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,679
in the garden center, Industry so this one's easy for.

739
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,960
Me cannot stand. Deefenbakia there's a reason they call it dumb.

740
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:41,039
Speaker 2: Cane, yes because if you bite, it it will make

741
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:43,280
your tongue. Swell and you can't make your tongue.

742
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: Swell it doesn't ship, well it doesn't move.

743
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:48,679
Speaker 3: Well you put it near a.

744
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,119
Speaker 1: Window you even say cold weather near, it it will.

745
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,199
WILT i don't like.

746
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,599
Speaker 2: Deefenbakia just you, know WHEN i was young and just

747
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,719
getting into, PLANTS i pruned a different bakia to take

748
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,719
cuttings and drop of sap splashed into my eye AND

749
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,280
i had to go and have it irrigated in the

750
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:13,199
in the. Er that was, fine but you, know so fun. Anyway, yeah, Uh,

751
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,639
RICK i know you like this, plant BUT i am

752
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:19,960
not a fan of. CROTON i love, crotons and you,

753
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,880
KNOW i feel like WHEN i WHEN i was writing this,

754
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,679
Down i'm thinking it goes back to my same distaste

755
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,360
of whutunia because there is kind of some similarity in that,

756
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,679
variegation like that red and yellow and dark.

757
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: Green it's a mish.

758
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: MASH i don't know it's it's just maybe it's like

759
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:37,960
Too christmasy or something like. THAT i just not a.

760
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: Fan but there's many different types of, croton so, yeah

761
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,159
there Are i'm gonna work.

762
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: On all, right all, RIGHT i, Mean I'm i'll keep

763
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,480
an open. Mind i'll keep an open mind about almost

764
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:51,000
any of. This but barbary and agapodium mark not In

765
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,960
Bradford paranora, maple no open mindedness happened in. There, okay,

766
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:57,360
last but not, least a garden tool that you.

767
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: Hate, NOW i know you expect me to say, ho

768
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,000
BECAUSE i do not like. Hoses, HOWEVER i am going

769
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:07,800
to say riding. Lawnmowers they drive me. CRAZY i watch

770
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,800
people on those things compacting their. Turf, NOW i, know

771
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,760
in some situations you have to have a riding, lawnmower

772
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,320
but in some cases you see people out there spinning

773
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,320
around the grass does not need to be cut because

774
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,679
we need to raise the blade on the moor to get,

775
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,599
good healthy, turf and they're out there scalping it with

776
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,400
a riding, lawnmower kicking up.

777
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,639
Speaker 3: All kinds of dust and.

778
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: Debris i've got a neighbor that loves his riding. Lawnmower

779
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,239
he rides that thing twice a, day whether the lawn

780
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:37,880
needs it or.

781
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,599
Speaker 3: Not and of course the lawn doesn't need.

782
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:42,559
Speaker 1: It And i'm trying to sit there peacefully at my

783
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:44,760
house and boom that.

784
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: Lawnmower, oh it drives me. Nuts So i'm going to

785
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,960
say riding. Lawnmower.

786
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: Wow do people who love riding their riding lawnmowers know

787
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:55,239
that you usually can ride them without.

788
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: Mowing you would think because when they turn.

789
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,039
Speaker 2: IT i get that it's fun for people like. That

790
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:05,800
could see a lot of you, know grown ups being,

791
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,159
like this is my childhood fantasy come true And i'm

792
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:10,480
just going to like ride around on my you know.

793
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:13,039
Toy but that doesn't mean that you have to mow

794
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:14,960
like you can just be out there with your headphones

795
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,119
and your high school beverage and enjoying your investment in your.

796
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:19,079
Writing well that's the.

797
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: THING i have friends, who, yes have the cup, holder

798
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,800
and they use that as the occasion to enjoy a nice.

799
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,159
Beverage and, yeah but for me riding.

800
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: All, Right, WELL i am going to say hoses because

801
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,440
as important as they, are they're just. Frustrating AND i

802
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,960
don't think there's a gardener alive who has just not

803
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:41,199
had at least one negative experience with a hose where

804
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,679
he just wanted to rip it out and throw it.

805
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,360
Right oh, yeah we've all been.

806
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,559
Speaker 1: There, YEAH i use hoses in my comedy.

807
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 3: Routine you're preaching to the.

808
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 2: Choir so some of the listener least favorite hated plants

809
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,800
that we did not, Discuss it didn't come up for.

810
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,639
Us two that really stuck out to me very interestingly

811
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,840
are very regional, invasives because WHEN i read, THESE i was, like, oh,

812
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,559
huh so one was creeping bellflower companila or, Punkiloides and,

813
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:16,480
yeah that is super invasive in the Upper midwest Like,

814
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:22,440
Minneapolis minnesota And. Wisconsin what a garbage looking. Plant it's just.

815
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,760
Horrible so sorry for anyone who's contending with.

816
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: That do you feel?

817
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,039
Speaker 2: WELL i was just, like, Ugh and THEN i do

818
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:31,760
feel Like i've seen this and tried to pull up,

819
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,679
before and it's just a horrible plant to try to.

820
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,920
Pull like you, know a plant that's easy to pull

821
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,559
can kind, of you, know redeem itself a little bit

822
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:42,000
by by being easy to. Pull the other One dier's woad.

823
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,440
Yea AND i saw this and as someone who enjoys

824
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,719
fiber arts and growing, HERBS i, thought, hm what's that all?

825
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,679
About and this is a, horrible horrible invasive out. WEST

826
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,039
I satus, tinctoria which was actually a very important plant

827
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:59,920
in dying but is now just a, tremendous tremendously noxious

828
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:03,199
weed in The, southwest and it's out.

829
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: West it's an awful weed and it has a, well

830
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,199
a characteristic of many plants that we, hate and that

831
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,000
is it's a lellopathic.

832
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: Yep prevents other plants from growing.

833
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,159
Speaker 1: Around, yeah so it has the reputation like spotted napweed.

834
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:23,199
Speaker 2: Yep so also burning bush came. Up not surprising, there

835
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:28,760
winter creeper, vine, Honeysuckle LIKE i, said trumpet, vine you

836
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:34,119
had a petunia's counterpart to your caliber CoA dislike, potentilla

837
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,760
which you, KNOW i get a lot of potentilla's are

838
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,400
very ho. Hum we try to do a little bit

839
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,159
better here at proven owner's color choice. Shrubs but you,

840
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,920
KNOW i get it you had a bad experience back

841
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,760
in the. Day you're just, Like i'm not planting that.

842
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,679
Thing another vote for a juga here Ye english ivy of,

843
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,159
Course and we talked about that a few weeks ago

844
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:54,119
and how some people here in The midwest are, like,

845
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:57,039
Ooh ivy's so elegant and we don't tend to have

846
00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:58,559
a huge issue with, it whereas if you go out,

847
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:00,440
west it's just an absolute Night mari We.

848
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:05,559
Speaker 1: JACE I i'm seeing hardy leadwart, plumbago and that's an,

849
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:06,960
aggressive non native.

850
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: GROUNDCOVER i would.

851
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: Agree, Yeah so it's interesting that so many of these

852
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:17,039
were are plants that are genuinely invasive and kind of

853
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:20,199
like the same experience THAT i had describing, barbary you

854
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,079
know way out At Moskiden State. Park just plants to

855
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:25,800
kind of ruin our experience of. Nature so whether we're

856
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,920
a gardener or a nature, lover when a plant disrupts that,

857
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,639
experience you can't can't blame you for adding it to

858
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:34,599
your hate.

859
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:37,199
Speaker 1: List, yeah although with steria on this list, too and

860
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,280
of course bamboo with steria another one like trumpet, vine

861
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,079
you got to show it whose boss do a little

862
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:45,519
bit of riot. Printing and Then, stacy your favorite Dwarf

863
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:47,079
alberta spruces are on here.

864
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:49,559
Speaker 2: Too two thumbs. Down not going to get my hate,

865
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:53,440
list but certainly not ever going to be. Planted so

866
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,960
with that, note we hope you enjoyed our. Conversation we

867
00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:00,760
hope we didn't offend, you but if we, did let

868
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,679
us know and tell us what plant we named that you,

869
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,599
hate because turnabout is fair. Play so thank you so, Much,

870
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:10,239
rick thank You, adriana and thanks so much to all

871
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,039
of you for listening and putting up with our rants at.

872
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:14,840
Raves we hope you have a wonderful week. Ahead