WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.520 All right, we continue on Fred Rogan, Rodney Pete on 2 00:00:02.839 --> 00:00:04.839 I SEV of the LA Sports. Later on this hour, 3 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:07.360 Dylan Hernandez at the LA Times joins the show. He's 4 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:09.919 always got something to say. We'll see if there are 5 00:00:09.919 --> 00:00:14.919 any any casualties when he's on today, because a lot 6 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:18.160 of people take in coming when Dylan's on, so we'll 7 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:21.600 find out if that works. Also, don't forget if you 8 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:24.000 don't have the iHeartRadio app, what are you waiting for 9 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:25.679 Get the app? And if you have the app, you 10 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:28.079 can stream the show wherever you go live and if 11 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:29.359 you miss any part of the show, you can go 12 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:32.399 on back and podcast it. 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Major League Baseball this spring training is going 22 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:06.640 to try something and it's basically the computerized strike zone. 23 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:09.640 So now they're going to bring it into spring training. 24 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:12.599 But here's the way it's going to work. It's not 25 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:15.799 going to call balls and strikes for every pitch they've 26 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:18.840 been doing in the minors. What's going to happen is 27 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:23.439 you can challenge a ball or a strike. You can 28 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:26.719 challenge that. Now, if you challenge that, they will go 29 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:31.760 to the automated strike zone to make the determination. You 30 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:34.680 have a total of two challenges. If you challenge and 31 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:38.920 your challenge is upheld, you keep it. But if it's denied, 32 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:42.760 if you missed, if you're goofed, you'll lose it and 33 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:46.200 you only get two. So let's start with that. Rodney, 34 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:54.719 what do you think of that? I kind of actually 35 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:59.280 like the challenge aspect of it. That way it keeps 36 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:05.200 it keeps the umpires and involvement involves and strikes. It 37 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:10.080 allows the catchers to still be involved in being a 38 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.280 catcher because part of being a catcher is maneuvering behind 39 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:19.800 the plate, framing pitches, catching pitches, location, all of those things. 40 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.199 So I think that is that is a good thing, 41 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:25.599 and and that you you know, you only get a 42 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:28.560 number of challenges. You know, you don't want to see, 43 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.520 you know, teams that that that don't like a certain 44 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:35.159 umpire or teams that are just trying to waste time 45 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:38.360 out that they're challenging every single pitch. So there's got 46 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:41.639 to be a limited number to that. So I don't 47 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:44.199 actually think I like the format. I think that eventually, 48 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:47.680 if they utilize this, that the challenge will challenges will 49 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:51.400 be a little bit more than two because there are 50 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:53.639 gonna be some close calls and some close situations that 51 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:55.960 guys challenge and all of a sudden they become you 52 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:58.240 think it's a striking, it's a it's a barely a ball, 53 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.000 and you lose that challenge and you can challenge anymore. 54 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:03.599 So yeah, you have to be strategic, but I think 55 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:07.879 it gets more than two. But I do if we're 56 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:10.360 going to use the system, I kind of like using 57 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.479 it this way then every ball and strike being automated. 58 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:15.199 One thing too, that I'm not sure if people are 59 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:18.520 aware of the umpire can basically choose not to go 60 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:21.919 to the ABS system if they determine that there's influence 61 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:24.199 on the batter, So basically the challenge only comes from 62 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:26.800 the batter. They cannot get influenced from the dugout. They 63 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:28.520 can't have the manager say oh, come on, and then 64 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.639 the batter says, yeah, challenge it. It's strictly up to 65 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:33.319 the batter, and if the umpire. 66 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:37.639 And momentarily right, it's right, immediately right, instantaneously. 67 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.080 Yes, they cannot have any influence from any other player. 68 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:42.960 And if the umpire deems there's influence from another player, 69 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:45.080 they can choose not to grant you a challenge. 70 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:48.159 Is that the same with the picture. Does the picture 71 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:50.840 get the challenge? I don't think the hitter, I'm not entred. 72 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:52.360 I don't think so. I think it's just the hitter 73 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:53.800 so wrong. 74 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:56.759 Pictures too, Pictures get to tap their hat or di something. 75 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:59.599 Yeah, you're right, it goes both ways, Ridney, You're right, 76 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:01.840 it goes both ways. But you cannot have any influence 77 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:04.240 from any other outside source other than the actual player 78 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:05.159 themselves on the field. 79 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:07.520 All right. So if the pitch is in the dirt 80 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:11.919 and the umpire calls it a strike and Dave Roberts 81 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:15.599 or the Dodger bench goes, oh, you can't challenge that. 82 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.160 If the umpire teams that you influence the bat or 83 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:19.879 into saying they want to challenge. 84 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:24.040 Yeah, okay, I gotta be He's got to be direct 85 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.560 right away to the umpire. He got challenge that, right, 86 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:29.079 And it's got to be almost simultaneous, is he because 87 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.399 if he looks at the dugout and go, oh, challenge that, 88 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:34.399 they don't know that. But if he deems that happened simultaneously, 89 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:38.600 like everybody went up in arms about the pitch, including 90 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:42.040 the hitter, then he can say you were you did 91 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:44.959 it instantaneously. They just don't want him to pause, look 92 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:48.040 at look at Dave Roberts and go okay, I want 93 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:48.480 to challenge. 94 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:50.399 Correct. That's what they want to guard against. 95 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:56.399 I don't like that. I think if you're gonna chat look, 96 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:00.680 obviously you don't have forty seconds to challenge it. But 97 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:04.519 if you, if you aren't sure, or somebody goes hey, 98 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.720 you should be able to challenge it. You should be 99 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:11.279 able to challenge that. Or what did you say before, Rodney, 100 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:12.639 when we talked about this like a month and a 101 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:16.480 half ago, you just yell out, challenge, challenge somebody else, 102 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:21.079 have challenge from somewhere, challenge right, if it's Dave Roberts, 103 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:28.439 it's challenge done. That's what I'm saying but in any event, because. 104 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.240 Because they want a kid been into player's hands, right, 105 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:34.639 they want to make sure that there's because there's there's video, 106 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:37.360 there's live feeds, there's all kinds of stuff that you 107 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:39.480 may see. They don't want to they don't want that 108 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:41.279 the influence if you're a hit up there, you know, 109 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:42.920 if you feel if it's a ball or strike, then 110 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:44.480 you're the one that's got to make that decision. 111 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:48.759 Now, it can hurt that challenge, right as as a player, 112 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:51.480 their owners falls on your shoulders because if you say 113 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:53.120 that you want to challenge it and it doesn't go 114 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:56.680 when it's against you, you're affecting the team moving forward, right, 115 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.279 So it's people don't just frivolously say challenge that, you 116 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:02.240 know what some guys might be apt to do. So 117 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:04.199 it actually it adds a little bit of accountability on 118 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:06.040 the players part, Like I can hurt the team if 119 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:07.800 I try to have a challenge and I know them 120 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:09.360 a heart of hearts, that's not a strike or it's 121 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:10.120 not a ball or whatever. 122 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:13.319 Right, But ye, some guy may want to challenge when 123 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:15.519 he's up, when he's up three and oh, three and 124 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.920 oh on the college, it's a questionable strike and he 125 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:22.240 challenge it's three and oh I'm gonna be three and one? 126 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:27.839 Why are you challenging? Right? But that's no one to 127 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:31.720 four fisty walk. But here's the thing, you know what 128 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:33.680 I mean? What if you blow out your challenges in 129 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:40.240 the first two winnings, No way. So obviously you have 130 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:42.720 to hold onto your challenge so it manners. So what 131 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.839 are they telling them the dugout, no challenge before the 132 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:52.000 seventh inning? They might if you can challenge your challenge, 133 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:55.959 That's how I look at it. I'm not saying you 134 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:59.160 should have one hundred of them, but if somebody in 135 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.800 the dugout, you know, see something, they should be able 136 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:05.120 to yield challenge. And I like that system of just 137 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:07.160 yelling it. Don't throw a red flag or anything, just 138 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:10.439 yell challenge and that's it. You got to look at it. 139 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:13.680 But then they're going to go to the automated strike 140 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:18.519 zone to determine it. So the automated strike zone apparently 141 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.879 will do a better job. And because of that, this 142 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:24.519 is going to happen. And this is the thing. And 143 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:26.120 if you're a fan, you're not gonna like this very 144 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:31.079 much because it's not made for TV. They're gonna get 145 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:32.959 rid of, or at least they're thinking of getting rid 146 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.079 of the k zone, which is the box that you 147 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:40.079 see when it batter's up at the plate when you 148 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:42.839 can make a determination. Well that pictures two feet outside 149 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.800 he called a strike. Here's why they're going to get 150 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:48.920 rid of it, because they're saying, the box isn't always right, 151 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:53.720 but the empire is. Think about that. The box isn't 152 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:57.879 always right, but the umpire is. So when we switch 153 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:01.160 to the automated strike zone, there can be no question 154 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:05.920 about that. So we won't have that box anymore because 155 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:10.279 major League Baseball is handling the strike zone, So that 156 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:13.399 box will be gone and then it'll just be up 157 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:16.279 to the umpire or the computer. 158 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:22.040 What do you think of that plan? Ride getting rid 159 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:24.600 of it altogether, getting rid of the box. Yeah, I 160 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:29.279 understand it, because it's not Major League Baseball system, right, 161 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:35.240 it's the network system. So major League Baseball, I get it. 162 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:37.360 They don't want to have conflicts with their own system. 163 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:40.200 If they're going to implement this and their system is 164 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:44.960 contradicts what the networks have, then that's a problem. If 165 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:46.360 we're going to use a system, it's going to be 166 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.600 our system and that's what major League Baseball is saying. 167 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:49.320 I get it. 168 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:55.519 So that's what's gonna happen, and that okay with it. 169 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:57.440 Because you're a big box guy. You like that box. 170 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:00.440 You're a big box guy. You like it adds to 171 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:02.720 the broadcast. Anything that adds to the broadcast is a 172 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:06.480 good thing. More tools, more gadgets, more gimmicks. It's good 173 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:08.840 the majority of time it's good. The only time it 174 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:12.639 was bad is when, for whatever reason, the people that 175 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:18.559 operated at that time Fox Sports West that became Ballys, 176 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:22.279 that became Fan Duel. Anyway, it's the same production group. 177 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:25.360 They decided to be great to draw lines on the 178 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:29.919 ice watching the puck passed around. 179 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:31.960 Oh the blue puck, that's right. 180 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:33.679 It wasn't even the blue puck, Kevin. 181 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:36.360 So that that's when Fox, I think Big Fox actually 182 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:38.879 got the NHL package and they put that on nationally. 183 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.240 Yeah, later on the regional broadcast. What they did just 184 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:45.200 think of a guy skating to the right and passing 185 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:48.080 the puck. There'd be like a line on the ice 186 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:51.000 following the puck, and then he'd passed it across and 187 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:55.360 there'd be another line. It was the most confusing, awful idea. 188 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:57.399 I don't know who had that idea, but it was 189 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:01.240 terrible and they did it for like two games. And 190 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:03.200 you know, whoever came up with the thoughts, see it 191 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:05.960 works until everybody looked at it and said, that is 192 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:08.519 the worst thing we've ever seen. But what they did 193 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:11.679 do is pay them money to make that happen. That 194 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:15.840 was a bad idea. That was a terrible idea. But 195 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:19.679 the box is a good idea. I mean, it lets 196 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:24.039 you stay really invested in every pitch. If you're just 197 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:28.720 watching at home, every pitch, you're invested because remember their 198 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:32.720 TV shows, I understand their games, their TV shows all 199 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:34.679 are you do you think this is this. 200 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:39.799 Information that we got coming out of here with with 201 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:43.240 abs and all that is trying is a way to 202 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:48.200 or Baseball to discredit that box that we've seen for 203 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:52.200 a number of years. Now, say don't trust that box. 204 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:54.279 What you've been seeing over the years. You know people 205 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.360 like you that are proponents of that box, because we 206 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:00.919 shouldn't know more than the than the people there. But yeah, 207 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.279 that box is not always right, it's not always correct. 208 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:05.840 So you know, the credibility of that box is just 209 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:06.559 don't believe it. 210 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:10.159 What you've been seeing over the years is not really accurate. 211 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:15.279 I think that's exactly what's happening. I think the empires 212 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:17.519 have been complaining. I think I think the Empire's union 213 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:21.919 is upset. They look bad. I mean they look bad. 214 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.120 When the ball is a foot outside and the guy 215 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:27.159 calls it a strike and it's clear that it's not 216 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:31.919 even close to the box, they look bad. As a 217 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:35.360 matter of fact, since the inception of the box, the 218 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.200 umpires behind the plate have really been getting it bad 219 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:44.159 because we're judging your work. There is a report card, 220 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:48.440 and if you're working the plate, you're getting a lot 221 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.600 of grains, and they're not writing out a curve. You're 222 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:54.720 getting a lot of grains. If you're working the bases, 223 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:58.559 you might be tested twice. Okay, you got two shots 224 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:02.480 to make an A. But behind the plate, when every 225 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:07.159 pitch in theory counts, you have over one hundred chances 226 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:12.919 to make an A. Well, nobody gets straight a's one 227 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.080 hundred times in a row all the time. So then 228 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.039 it comes down to, Okay, if it's not an A, 229 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:20.279 what is it? And then if the ball bounces, then 230 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:25.639 they call it a strike. It's you know, it's outside 231 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:28.120 the box. But maybe it was close to the bottom 232 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:31.360 of the strike zone, and the guy calls it a strike. 233 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:34.919 We can all see that you failed. That's an f 234 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:40.879 and nobody wants f's. We want all a's. So I 235 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:43.720 do think that they're taking that box away because I 236 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:47.279 think the umpires are complained about it. I think when 237 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:49.679 they start and umpires have said it, and Rodney you said, 238 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.240 some players have said it, that box isn't always accurate. 239 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:58.320 Could we make the argument it's pretty damn close. Can 240 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:02.360 we make that argument? Oh, if something that is so 241 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:08.000 egregious that it's not even remotely near the box, it's 242 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:11.799 still close enough we can still see it. And if 243 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:14.840 the Empire misses the call, I think that really frustrates 244 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:17.639 them and upsets them, and I think it makes their 245 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.759 job harder. It's like, why are you looking at me 246 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.360 so closely? Why look at me? Yeah? 247 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.440 Do you think that they're judged on that box as 248 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:31.399 opposed to, you know, major League Baseball looking at them 249 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:34.840 objectively from another situation, as opposed to looking at it 250 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:39.879 through that box. And we counted thirteen times that you 251 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:42.919 called the wrong pitch. You called it a ball when 252 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:44.440 it was a strike, and you called it a strike. 253 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:46.799 When it was a ball thirteen times in the course 254 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:49.639 of nine innings, you missed the call based on that box, 255 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:54.559 or they got their own system it says based on abs, 256 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:56.000 you only miss seven. 257 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:04.720 Here's what I think. Box opens up more questions. If 258 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:09.120 there's no box, then everything they do is internal. Everything 259 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:11.720 they do is which is what they want right in 260 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:14.200 the league office, right. They don't want you sitting there 261 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:19.399 going these guys are terrible. They don't want that. And 262 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:22.200 by the way, they don't want to be terrible. And 263 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:26.600 there's a good possibility that it's always been this way. 264 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:38.639 I mean, when Angel Hernandez was missing pitches, go ahead, Rodney. 265 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:40.320 When Angel was missing pitches, and it happened quite often, 266 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:46.799 Angel missing pitches, and he subsequently retired. But I would 267 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:50.240 imagine that there are more people watching the box when 268 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:53.639 Angel was behind the plate than ever was before, just 269 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:56.320 because people were waiting to see how many pitches he 270 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:01.559 was gonna miss. When Angel was missing pitches, and it 271 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:04.919 was abundantly clearer was it the box or Angel? 272 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:13.919 It was Angel? The box dotted the exclamation point. I 273 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:15.559 just think it's a great thing for the game. I 274 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:19.240 think it's good for baseball. I think it keeps fans 275 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:25.519 more engaged. But but if they went to the automated 276 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:29.559 strike zone the whole time, I would have a problem 277 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:34.399 with it the whole time, not the challenge the whole time. 278 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:37.679 Like you could challenge as many times as you want to, 279 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:40.320 or just have the automatic strike zone call the strikes 280 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.720 and balls. Just have the automatic strike umpire. There's no 281 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:46.360 challenge or anything. It's just an automatic strikes. How would 282 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:49.679 that work? They would get a click click click twice 283 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:53.279 for a ball, click once for a strike. Somebody umpire's 284 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:54.399 ear right? 285 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.679 You would you would probably want you're right, the umpire 286 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:01.440 to call it, so they'd have a system. Yeah, but 287 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.600 I wouldn't even have that. What I would do? Call 288 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:12.159 it you ready, here's the pit Yeah, scoreboard strike, just 289 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:16.159 like that. The scoreboard calls it right, the scoreboard strike, 290 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:21.720 It's recorded. That's what I would do. 291 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:24.919 So would you have like the hometown announcer go even 292 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:29.480 you know, a wild over opposing player striking out. You 293 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:33.559 want like Todd lights to be like when a guy 294 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:35.039 gets wrung up? Is that what you want? Over the 295 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:40.200 speaker at Dodger Stadium Todd with his big booming voice, 296 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:43.399 is that what you want? 297 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:47.320 Yeah? Yeah, is that what you want? Fred? To be honest, 298 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:48.000 I wouldn't mind it. 299 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:49.879 I'm sure you would. I'll say that's all, that's exactly 300 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:50.840 what Fred wants. 301 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:55.080 But the cares. But then for the Dodgers, strike out even, 302 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:56.639 strike three. 303 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.679 Strike three, right three now. 304 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:01.799 Batting and Manny Machadle strikes out. 305 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:10.680 A seating money, don't you see that? 306 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:15.640 Living at the game, that would be I will say, Fred, 307 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.480 I hate your ideas. Like ninety of the time, I'm 308 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:22.319 actually liking this one. They think that'd be fun, It 309 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:23.240 would be hilarious. 310 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:29.480 People would get so into it. They get so into it. 311 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:31.319 That's what we need, I mean, because it's really no 312 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:32.759 different than at an NBA game. 313 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:37.079 If you know, Lebron makes it three, Lebron James. 314 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:38.079 And if Steph makes it three at Staples, it's just 315 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:39.319 Jo Steph Curry. 316 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:42.839 I don't call Lebron bricked it. 317 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:44.279 That's true. 318 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:49.400 Yes, they don't say that the guy strikes out, that's 319 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:53.319 a bad thing. Strike three. It has to be at 320 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:55.519 here piece in the umpire's ear. There has to be 321 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:57.759 something in that. 322 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:58.680 That's the original model. Rodney. 323 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:01.319 Yeah, it would be after word, automated, fully automated zone, 324 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:03.680 the umpire will still be back there. If the umpire 325 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:05.359 will get a buzz or something in their ear that 326 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:07.119 would tell them whether it's a ball or strike, and 327 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:09.279 they would call it to try to keep some level 328 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:11.440 of normalcy for themselves and for all the players on 329 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:11.880 the field. 330 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:17.599 All right, Yeah, can we shift to something real quick here, 331 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:21.160 real quick? Sure? So? P K. Souban played in the 332 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.599 National Hockey League and he's not an analyst for ESPN 333 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:28.920 on their NHL coverage, and it was talking about the 334 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:32.480 difference between the NHL All Star Game and the NBA 335 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:36.480 All Star Game and the mindset. Listen to them. 336 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:41.079 Hockey's a different sport from the NBA. You can't compare 337 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:43.440 the cultures because of the way the game is played. 338 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:45.839 You can step on an NBA floor and go through 339 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:49.160 the emotions. You can't do that in hockey. You can't 340 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:52.920 like the culture of our sport. You have to play 341 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:55.799 it with passion. You have to be willing to fight, 342 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:58.599 you have to be willing to leave it on the ice. 343 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:02.279 That's what fans are investing in. So for us, when 344 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:05.240 we charge fifteen hundred dollars for a ticket to come 345 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:08.359 to Fortit, fans know what they're getting cal mccarr, the 346 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:10.759 best defenseman in the world, wasn't in the lineup for 347 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:14.640 this game. This was the most viewed game that we've had. 348 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:17.880 In years, and you see it. It's because it's. 349 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:20.960 Not just based on the skill and talent, it's based 350 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:24.000 on the pride. I got a question for the NBA players, 351 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:26.839 what the hell are you playing for? What are you 352 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:29.640 playing for? It's not about the money. You make all 353 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:32.799 the money. What you're injured. Well, there's a difference between 354 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:33.880 being hurt and injured. 355 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:36.880 In hockey. We play hurt. That is the. 356 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:40.079 Culture of the sport. It's always been that way. You 357 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:43.160 got to fight sometimes for your country. You got to compete. 358 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:44.680 You got to go out there and leave it on 359 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:47.279 the ice because those people are paying the price of admission, 360 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.799 so fans know whether our stars are on the ice 361 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:53.519 or not. They're getting their money's worth. The NBA has 362 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:55.799 that issue that they got to work on. You got 363 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:57.519 to create a better culture for your players. 364 00:19:57.640 --> 00:19:59.640 It starts with the leaders. This issue. 365 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:02.160 There was no issue in Jordan was around, there was 366 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.759 no issue in Kobe was around. There's no issue in 367 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:08.039 Sydney Crosby's around. There's no issue in Wayne Gretzky was around, 368 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.880 because those are true leaders. They lead by example, Sidney 369 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.640 Crosby Hockey Canada, those players both Canada and US. It 370 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:17.799 was the players that did that for the four nations. 371 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:18.759 That's not the league. 372 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:21.200 The league set it up, but the players went out 373 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:22.720 there and decided and said. 374 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:24.480 You know what, boys, we're all in. 375 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:28.039 You gotta be on the court, you gotta be there, 376 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:30.200 and when you're there, you gotta go all in. The 377 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:32.559 fans got to feel that they're getting their money's worth, 378 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:34.680 and right now there's a big difference between what the 379 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:37.960 NHL's doing with those events and what the NBA is doing. 380 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:40.880 All right, Rodney, what are your thoughts? 381 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:45.680 I mean, I think there's something to definitely what he says, 382 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:52.039 and I would agree to this point that you can't 383 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.000 half ass hockey because hockey's a physical sport and if 384 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:59.079 you half asked, you will get hurt. Same thing with football. 385 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:01.039 You can't go out and foot ball and go halfway. 386 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:04.160 If you're playing and you're in there and you're trying 387 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:06.839 to dog it or you're going half, you're gonna get hurt. 388 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:09.960 Somebody's gonna hit you and knock you out. So you 389 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:12.240 don't you can't half asset when you go between your lines. 390 00:21:13.039 --> 00:21:15.640 Basketball different story, because you don't have to necessarily play defense, 391 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:16.960 you can kind of let up a little bit. 392 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:21.680 I don't know if he's. 393 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:28.279 Talking about the four Nations tournaments versus you know, regular 394 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:32.079 season hockey games and regular season NBA games. If he's 395 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:36.079 talking to four Nations versus what we saw from the 396 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:38.640 NBA All Start, that's a different that's a different animal. 397 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:41.359 As I said before, you're playing for your country. It's 398 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:44.759 more like Olympics, the hockey, the four nation hockey deal, 399 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:48.160 then the All Star Game, playing you know, against your 400 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:49.960 peers that you're not trying to get hurt and there's 401 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:53.279