WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.680 And now what I'm asking for is a piece of ice, 2 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:08.679 cold and poorly located that can play a vital role 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:11.960 in world peace and world protection. 4 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:17.039 It's a very small ask compared to what we have 5 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:20.719 given them for many, many decades. 6 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:24.079 It's the Rigorshete Podcast. I'm James Lillix. We have Charles 7 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:26.440 see Could Cook and Steven Hayward and we're going to 8 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.960 talk about Trump term two year one. So let's so 9 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:30.760 that's a podcast. 10 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:33.240 So again, I'm not popular with you now because I'm 11 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:36.280 defending Donald Trump, but I really believe you can be 12 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:38.520 happy that he is there because he has forced us 13 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:41.920 in Europe to step up to face the consequences that 14 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:44.000 we have to take care more of our own defense. 15 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:47.079 I'm absolutely convinced without Donald Trump, we would not have 16 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:49.000 taken those decisions, and they are crucial. 17 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:52.479 Welcome everybody. It's the Ricochet Podcast, Episode number seven, one 18 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:55.840 hundred and seventy three. You can join us at ricochet 19 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:58.159 dot com. Everybody can. You can be part of the 20 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:00.679 most stimulating conversation in community on the web. But we'll 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:02.280 tell you a little bit more about that later. If 22 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:05.239 you don't already know, I'm James lonnox In Minneapolis, where 23 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:08.040 the temperature has climbed to seven degrees to minus fourteen 24 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:11.400 after a certain point. It's just moot. It was just cold, 25 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:13.840 That's all there is to it. Some we're up in 26 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:16.000 the northern part of the state. They were getting windshills 27 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:19.959 of fifty below, which is you know, some folks will 28 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:22.560 never lose a toe, But then again, some folks will. 29 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:25.599 If you go outside improperly dressed, you're going to suffer 30 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:29.560 the loss of some digits. But in warmer places, friendlier places, 31 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:32.239 better climbs. We have Charles C. W. Cook in Florida. 32 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:36.400 I presume it Stephen Hayward, who the globetrotter that he is, 33 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:41.159 is probably ensconced in the utopia of California. Am I correct, 34 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:42.000 a gentleman. 35 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:44.280 Except for the utopia of California Park. 36 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:47.480 Yes, I am in California, but it's no utopia anymore. 37 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:50.719 Well, what a week? What a week? What a week? Okay, Greenland, 38 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:52.599 that's overdone, settled. Now Cuba, let's get rid of the 39 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:55.359 communist government bout twenty twenty six. Wait a minute, what 40 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:57.840 about Venezuela. No, no, comed He's out of Cuba. Cuba 41 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:01.159 by twenty twenty six, it's baffling, but you know, it's 42 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:04.599 it's it's been a year like that. It's been one 43 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:09.039 year of this administration, and on Ricochet people were banning 44 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:12.319 about the various ways in which it has succeeded or failed, 45 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:16.280 as that falls along the usual lines, as you might think. 46 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:19.159 The people who believe that he's been a rhino disaster, 47 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:23.199 that's he's actually, you know, enforced a whole bunch of 48 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:27.199 leftist ideas about government intervention, that he's contravened Congress, that 49 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:31.240 he's behaving like a Caesar, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. If you 50 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:33.439 look at the Daily Beast today, the Daily Beast says 51 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:36.280 that Donald Trump last night went on a late night 52 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:42.159 truth social rant following his European humiliation. And what they 53 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:44.560 mean by that, of course, is that he was humiliated 54 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.759 in Europe. I took a look at what was said 55 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:50.080 and saw a lot of cold truths that needed to 56 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:52.479 be slapped on the table, and Davis was just a 57 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.400 place for it. So it's hard to know where to 58 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:56.560 start when you look at the last year. I guess 59 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:58.360 the best thing to do is look at yesterday. What 60 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:01.960 do we have yesterday? But let's cast our eyes back 61 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:05.560 three hundred and sixty five. Gentlemen, your assessment, if you will, 62 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:13.439 on the first year of the second term. 63 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:13.719 Well, as I've been saying for a while, if you're 64 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:17.120 on the left, you measure the Trump administration Trump two 65 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:20.719 in dog years, right, I mean, because every day he 66 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:21.159 does so. 67 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:22.000 Darn many things. 68 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.400 They talk about energy and executive in Hamilton's famous phrase. 69 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:28.159 And so what I've been taunting my leftist friends is. 70 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:30.080 Cheer up. You only have twelve more years to. 71 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.280 Go of the second Trump term, right, because it's gonna 72 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:32.960 seem forever. 73 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:36.120 Yeah, you can go down a scorecard and do a 74 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:36.599 lot of stuff. 75 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:40.199 I think of it in general terms that the disposition 76 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:43.560 of this administration has been so much more aggressive, even 77 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.000 than Trump's first term, which was pretty aggressive itself. And 78 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:48.840 there's a lot of swings and missus of course, and 79 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:52.360 there's you know, he'll claim that he has cured teenage 80 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:55.560 acne and everything else and every other speech, whether the 81 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:58.120 facts back it up or not. And that's just his style. 82 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:03.599 But look the dabosing everyone thinks that. 83 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:07.800 I say everyone. People keep thinking, oh, this Greenland thing. 84 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:09.879 I was not sure if there's really a deal or 85 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:12.400 if it's just him wish casting, but it's another art 86 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:16.160 of the deal attempted by Trump, and there's probably something 87 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:19.560 to that. I think people are missing the bigger story, 88 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:23.319 which is he squashed Davos. I mean, what's Doavos supposed 89 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.319 to be about. It's supposed to be about climate change 90 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:31.199 and Gaza and inequality and anything but Trump And so instead, 91 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:34.480 by doing his temper tantrum over Greenland and threatening war 92 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:37.279 and all kinds of other ridiculous stuff and tariffs, he 93 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:40.560 dominated the whole darn thing. So that my favorite little 94 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:42.480 cherry on top of the whole story, James, is that 95 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:45.279 al Gore was there. I don't know why I talk 96 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.360 about it has been, but his has been status is 97 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:50.639 ratified by the fact that he had some little meeting 98 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:53.480 he called to talk about climate change, and I think 99 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:57.920 something like twenty people showed up, So you know, you know, 100 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:00.920 Trump absolutely took over the thing and killed it, which 101 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:04.240 in it so much deserves killing, doesn't it. 102 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:08.560 Girls Ah, then, Steve, I think we disagree on this. 103 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:11.680 I think if the question is has Trump done a 104 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:13.600 lot of good things in the last year, the answer 105 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:14.800 is obviously yes. 106 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:16.639 Reneed the tax cuts. 107 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:21.120 Closed the border, got rid of a lot of racist 108 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:25.959 policies that the federal government had been executing for decades. 109 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.639 I don't know to what extent it's attributable to Trump. 110 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:31.959 I'm not saying it's not. I just don't know. But 111 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:34.680 crime is apparently at its lowest rate in the United 112 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:39.560 States since nineteen hundred, especially the murder rate. 113 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:42.040 So there is a lot to like, there's a lot 114 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:42.639 to dislike. 115 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:48.839 Tariffs I think are illegal and counterproductive. But I don't 116 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:51.879 think the last week has been good. In fact, I 117 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:55.360 think he has embarrassed himself in the country and got 118 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:59.399 very little for it. I'm open to the idea that 119 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.800 we would buy or take more control of not via 120 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:09.279 an invasion Greenland, but he has emboldened. 121 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:10.680 The left in Europe. 122 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:14.879 He's upset some of our closest allies with unnecessary comments. 123 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:19.279 He said, for example, that the British didn't fight on 124 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:23.600 the front lines in Afghanistan. When they did. Four hundred 125 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:26.480 and eighty seven of them died in Afghanistan on the 126 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:29.920 front lines. Some of them were my friends, as it happens. 127 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:32.560 So I think the last week has been the bad 128 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:36.480 side of Trump. I think it's been the liability that 129 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:38.759 isn't to say it wipes out all of the good. 130 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:41.879 I think he has had a relatively successful first year, 131 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.000 but I don't like how he behaved in Davos. 132 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:47.360 Well, let's take a look at that then a little 133 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:49.680 bit more. When it comes to the whole Greenland situation, 134 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:56.959 if I understand this, a ridiculous assertion was made at 135 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:01.120 the beginning, backed up with the threat of extraordinary action, 136 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:04.519 and then at the end of it a deal was 137 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:10.199 struck that made the position struck in the end look moderate. 138 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:14.319 Have we seen this before from this fellow. I think 139 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.519 we have, And it's just amazing to me that everybody 140 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:20.839 nobody gets it yet that that's how it always goes. 141 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:24.360 It starts we're going to have a nine tariff on China, 142 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:26.879 and everybody freaks out in the market's crash, and then 143 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:28.839 you end up with a you know, a four percent 144 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:32.199 tariff on spatulis from the plastic spatula factory. I mean, 145 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.639 we've seen this before. So if the end result is 146 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:38.000 actually getting something, is getting more mineral rights, more security, 147 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:41.439 more in this and that out of Greenland. Okay, fine, 148 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.839 we've had interested in Greenland for a long time. You're right, 149 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:47.120 of course about the optics and You're right about the 150 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:50.120 tone of voice and the rest of it. But I 151 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:53.560 think what a lot of people are liking is the 152 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:59.399 fact that we don't have the same old consensus, technocratic 153 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:03.399 go along cow towing at DeVos that you might have 154 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:06.720 gotten from definitely from a Democrat and probably from you know, 155 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:10.839 a Rhino wants to fit into the the ethos of Davos, 156 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:13.680 if you will, and then hard truths need to be 157 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:17.079 told to them, just simply to lay Doun a marker. 158 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:21.319 Nobody has said yet to them. Well, maybe Trump has, 159 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:24.240 and others have noted it on Twitter that there are 160 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:26.279 problems facing Europe that are going to lead to its 161 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:32.320 inevitable and total decline. And if that emboldens leftists, that 162 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.039 just shows that they have a culture that is unable 163 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:36.879 to save itself and pull itself out of the morass 164 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:38.639 in which it is you want to disagree with. 165 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.080 It, I just don't recognize that as a description of 166 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:44.600 what has happened this week. I have historically been sympathetic 167 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:48.320 to Trump's approach, which is to throw his weight around 168 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:54.639 and do things differently than others. I also am sympathetic, 169 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.080 and I've written as much to his lecturing Europe alongside 170 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:00.519 j D. Vance on questions such as freedom of speech, 171 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:04.960 how much they contribute to their own defense, they're hurtling 172 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:09.559 towards socialism and so forth. But this isn't that they 173 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:13.159 got nothing. They got nothing of any consequence, and they 174 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:19.120 have cost American interests for it. I think this is 175 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:22.200 a bad deal. This is not me saying I don't 176 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:25.080 like mean tweets. It's not some form of Trump derangement syndrome. 177 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:29.360 I think that the cost of Trump's behavior in the 178 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:35.440 last week massively outweighs the benefits. The temper tantrum that 179 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.320 he had a few months ago over Canada, where inexplicably 180 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:42.000 he started saying that Canada had to be absorbed into 181 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:45.440 the United States meant that we now have for the 182 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.039 next four or five years a Canadian government that is 183 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.919 hostile to American interest rather than one that is friendly 184 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:52.039 toward American interest. 185 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:53.399 That was not a good deal. 186 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:56.440 Very often with Trump, it is a good deal, and 187 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:57.960 I don't care about the niceties. 188 00:09:57.960 --> 00:09:59.919 I want the good deal. But there is no good deal. 189 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:01.679 We didn't get anything for this. 190 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:03.600 We now have a whole bunch of pissed off people 191 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:06.480 and countries that are historically sympathetic toward US, and the 192 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:11.840 parties in countries such as Denmark and Scandinavia more generally 193 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:16.879 have been emboldened not on the right where we can 194 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:18.799 make better deals with him in the future, but on 195 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:22.240 the left. And I don't think we got much for that. 196 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:25.440 So I think this was stupid. I don't think this 197 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:28.200 was normal chump deal making. I think it was stupid, 198 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:30.519 and I think it's an example of the downside of 199 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:32.120 him rather than of his upside. 200 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:38.519 Steve, Yeah, you know, I tend to. I mean, I 201 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:39.840 agree with a lot of what Charlie says. 202 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.200 And by the way, James, when you say Europe needs 203 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:44.000 to have some truth told of them here, I am 204 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:44.559 with Charlie. 205 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:45.679 They do need to be true. 206 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:47.679 Some of the things he's saying, many of them were, 207 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.000 and some of them weren't, as Charlie has mentioned rightly. 208 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:53.679 Look, here's how I look at it differently. 209 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:57.399 In part because I'm right now, literally this weekend, watching 210 00:10:57.399 --> 00:11:00.960 the spot market for natural gas electricity price, which you're 211 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.159 going to be very vuluable because of the weather system, 212 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:05.799 and I think of Trump in the same way. If 213 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:08.720 you think of Trump as the volatility measured in the 214 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:10.759 spot market for Trump's latest eruption. 215 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:13.480 This set a new high, There's no doubt about that, 216 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:14.919 but I. 217 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:17.320 Do think it tends to regress to the mean. Now 218 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:19.559 the mean is mean tweets. Okay, I did be to 219 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:22.759 make that pun, But I think this will be forgotten, 220 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:25.000 as so many Trump things are. I mean, is anybody 221 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:28.480 still talking about his really ridiculous true social about Rob 222 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:30.440 Reiner from six eight weeks ago? 223 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:32.039 No, No, that's sort of forgotten now. 224 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:34.279 And this is more important than that, of course, But 225 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:36.279 I do think this will blow over. I think that 226 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:40.720 the liberal governments in Europe that get overconferenent from this 227 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:44.799 are they may enjoy a temporary spike in popularity. 228 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:47.720 And one of the criticisms. 229 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:48.799 That people make, and I think Charlie hint of this, 230 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.799 is that some of the populist parties that like Trump 231 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.639 and that Trump likes are being set back by this 232 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.240 last week. And I think that's true in the short run, 233 00:11:57.279 --> 00:11:59.159 but I think that won't be true in the long run. 234 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.039 So I don't know. Maybe I'm optimistic about it. 235 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:03.840 I just think that Trump is generally right when he's 236 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:08.399 setting the Europeans. The Canadians have put aside for some 237 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:10.720 reasons Charlie mentions, but I think it's good putting the 238 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:14.960 Europeans on their back foot. And Trump's basic understanding is 239 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:17.960 always be on offense, always be setting the agenda. 240 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:21.080 Now, the difficulty with that is, to use the. 241 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:24.039 Great analogy of Churchill about the offensives in World War One, 242 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:26.320 it's like throwing a bucket of water on the floor, 243 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:28.440 and to keep it going you have to throw more 244 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.600 and more buckets. And so there's one problem is Trump 245 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:34.200 faces the problem of diminishing returns and we are only 246 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:36.000 one year into it, and where's it going to be 247 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:39.120 a year from now? I do think that does call 248 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:43.320 for more caution and sort of measured approach on his part. 249 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.399 And good luck with that, Charles. When we talk about 250 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:50.159 setting back the right wing elements in Europe, are we 251 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:53.759 talking about the sort of moderate center consensus, there's that 252 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:58.720 word again, technocratic, there's that word again, institution right in Europe? 253 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:02.000 Or are we talking about the AFP, Are we talking 254 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.759 about Lapan? Are we talking about the organizations that get 255 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:07.279 shut out because they are outside of the guardrails of 256 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:09.519 proper European thought? 257 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.279 I mean, who. 258 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:18.600 Exactly in the right is losing influence here? When the 259 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:21.879 institutions around them are seemingly devoted to keep them from 260 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:23.960 having any influence at all in the government. 261 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:27.600 I think we're talking about both. Also, we need europerson 262 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:32.600 ally and we need to cajole Europe into being a 263 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.759 better ally, and I don't think we did that. If 264 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:37.399 you use Canada as the example. 265 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:39.360 I am much. 266 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:42.679 More conservative than Pierre Polief, but he was a good 267 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:48.879 antidote to the Canadian government that has run that country 268 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:55.080 for nearly a decade. He is far preferable to Mark Karney, 269 00:13:55.159 --> 00:14:02.039 who's a bloodless type. He's obviously far preferable to feed 270 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:07.120 Orchestro's so I mean Trudeau, and the same is true 271 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.320 in Europe. And if that message is going to be 272 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:14.480 heard in Europe, where it will go down very hard, 273 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:21.679 then it's going to have to be delivered in a 274 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:25.639 way that doesn't put up the backs of the public 275 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:29.440 and make them do what the Canadians did and say, 276 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:32.240 despite all of the things we're angry about, including immigration, 277 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:36.120 free speech and so forth, we're just going to pick 278 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:42.000 the bloodless left. I watched this closely in England, where 279 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:47.759 anti Americanism is an interesting phenomenon that ebbs and flows. 280 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:51.600 Trump made it worse there this week, and if there 281 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:54.679 was something that he had got from that, I think 282 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:56.879 that would be worth it, but there wasn't. Now I 283 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:58.720 will say where I do agree with Steve, I don't 284 00:14:58.720 --> 00:14:59.960 want to give off the wrong and prayer. 285 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:02.679 I don't think this is the end of the world. 286 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.080 I've read some articles in the European newspapers this week 287 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:08.480 that are just profoundly ridiculous. They say, this is the 288 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:12.960 end of NATO, this is the end of the Transatlantic Alliance, 289 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.039 this is the end of the special relationship with Britain. 290 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.720 The stock market will ever recover, bonds are going to 291 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:23.799 skyrocket forever. The housing market in the United States as 292 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:28.320 a result, will stay unobtainable. The Europeans are going to 293 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:32.919 exit American treasuries. The Americans are going to retaliate by 294 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:36.039 kicking the Europeans out of the cloud. That's all nonsense. 295 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:39.200 This is already blown over in the most part. I'm 296 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:42.039 just saying that where Trump is at his best is 297 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.399 where he does weird and unusual things that other politicians 298 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:48.320 don't and then get stuff for it. The border is 299 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:51.919 a perfect example of this. Trump says some things on 300 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:55.440 the border and immigration that make me feel uncomfortable. 301 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:59.360 But look at what he's done. He shut that thing down. 302 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:04.600 Now we have net outflows of migration for the first 303 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:07.159 time in a long time, and illegal immigrants of being 304 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:08.039 deported on math. 305 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:09.960 That's good, that's great. Good for him. 306 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:12.919 I don't care about the the ugliness of it. 307 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:14.080 But here he didn't get anything. 308 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:16.440 Well, there is one thing, Charles, that you ought to 309 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:19.399 be celebrating that's not connected to this last week except 310 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:22.320 only the coincidence of the calendar, and that is that 311 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.519 Trump is now imposing I guess he's pulled the trigger 312 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:29.480 on imposing these five hundred percent tariffs on countries that 313 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:32.879 trade and illicit Russian goods and maybe other right, right, great? 314 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:36.639 That of course, that was a congressionally past statute, which 315 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:39.360 again conforms to the Charlie Cook principle that Congress ought 316 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.639 to be involved in teriffs, which I agree with. And uh, 317 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.679 I mean, it's early yet, but I've seen some news 318 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:49.840 reports that the Chinese banks in India and others are saying, yeah, 319 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:51.399 I guess we're going to have to go along with this, 320 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:55.879 and so suddenly they're really finally turning the serious economic 321 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.799 screws on Russia. Everyone's thought that you know, Trump is 322 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:01.519 soft on Russia and whatever, but this is a serious 323 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:04.839 measure and maybe it helps. I don't know if the 324 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.079 last week helps or hurts the European cooperation in that, 325 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:09.880 although I note another news item out this morning is 326 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:13.519 the French Navy has intercepted and boarded one of the 327 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:16.720 Russian Black Fleet oil tankers. So it's not just us 328 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:19.160 in the Caribbean, it's some of the Europeans are getting 329 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:20.000 in on the action too. 330 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.599 Yes, I saw a headline this morning that said the 331 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:28.799 attempt to build a united EU front against Trump hampered 332 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:33.039 by Franco German tensions, and I thought that just feels 333 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:38.720 so nineteenth century to see Franco German tensions in the 334 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:42.240 news again. I just it pleased me. No, the tariffs 335 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:44.440 and the Chinese reaction to it, and exactly how much 336 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:47.680 of their wonderful unlimited relationship military wise they're going to 337 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:49.960 do puts Russia in another spot. Of course, we've been 338 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:51.880 all waiting for three years for the imminent collapse of 339 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:55.440 the Russian economy. It's one of those things that very 340 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:59.839 very strangely refuses to lie down and die. But it 341 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.920 might be actually happening now. But I'm not going to 342 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:08.599 say that because nothing ever happens or might it. We 343 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:10.079 can get to Ukraine in a secondary But I want 344 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:13.160 to circle back just for one thing and what Charlie said, 345 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:15.119 And he can, of course again slap me with a 346 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:20.200 wet mackerel if he's first. When when a population is insulted, 347 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:23.000 as the Canadians or some Europeans were, and I understand that, 348 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:24.799 I get that, and I'm you know, I'm a northa 349 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:27.559 Kotein for Effan's sakes, I'm a Minnesotan. I'm a practically 350 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:29.920 Canadian and temperament when it comes to go to getting 351 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:32.599 along and being nice, I don't like it. I don't 352 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:35.079 like smash Mault politics. That's just not my thing. But 353 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:39.640 if you, if they do feel insulted, the notion that 354 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:42.400 will all show you I'm going to vote against my 355 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.720 own interests and the interests of my country just a 356 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.240 just a show where I am about this, Well, then 357 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:51.240 let them live with the consequences. And I'm not prettying. 358 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:53.519 I mean that fine. If you're going to have a 359 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:56.799 petulant fit about a petulant fit and elect in the 360 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:59.680 worst government you can that won't do anything about your problems, 361 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:02.119 that's on you, that's not on Trump. 362 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:05.279 Except my interest is not in them, it's in us. 363 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:08.920 My objection here is that it hurts American interest. I 364 00:19:09.079 --> 00:19:12.920 don't care if silly countries want to elect silly people 365 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.920 who do things that are against their interests. I care 366 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:19.039 about the United States, and my point is that we 367 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:23.799 hurt ourselves in Canada. I have no objection to the Canadians. 368 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:25.880 I like the Canadians. I think they are a good 369 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:28.559 ally and a good and neighbor to have given the alternatives. 370 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:30.799 But if they want to do silly things in Canada, 371 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:31.920 that's their look at. 372 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:33.839 But we would have been better. 373 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:35.799 Off with five years of Pierre Polief than we will 374 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:39.759 be with Mark Carney on the world stage domestically as well, 375 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:41.759 and I think the same is true in Europe. 376 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:42.359 So I agree with you. 377 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:45.400 Of course it's ridiculous, but that is what seems to happen, 378 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.000 and I don't think it helps America, which is my concern. 379 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.200 I agreed, as it is questionable what Beer could have done. 380 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:55.160 It would have been great if he'd, you know, all 381 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:57.240 of a sudden, showed up like a frozen Argentinian and 382 00:19:57.319 --> 00:19:58.960 started doing the things that needed to be done. 383 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:02.160 I probably wouldn't have started overtures to China, for one thing, 384 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:06.079 And he wouldn't have made anti American speeches in Europe, 385 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:07.920 and he wouldn't have called for a new world order 386 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:11.640 that excludes the United States. So I do think it matters. 387 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:15.400 Yeah, well, you know, sometimes I just feel like the 388 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:18.160 Canada in your in my head is just already gone, 389 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:21.960 you know, with with with the mounties and the square 390 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:25.000 jaw and the hats and the frozen wilderness and the 391 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:28.640 beautiful European accented architecture built in the middle of nowhere 392 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:30.599 by hardy people. Somehow, I just feel as if that 393 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:33.960 national temperament is as gone as the Australians. The Australians, 394 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:35.319 for Heaven's safety, you'd like to think of, you know, 395 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:40.000 your Paul Hogan type A knife A knife. 396 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:41.920 See you've played knife before. 397 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:49.079 Right, pretty I have grilling and the barbie. You Sometimes 398 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:51.720 you listen to their correspondence, ask questions of the American 399 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:54.480 tennis players and say, how do you feel about representing 400 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:57.839 that flag, that horrible flag of oppression, death, Nazism, fascism 401 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:00.279