WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:47.439 Oh red des Are, Hello, and welcome to the show. 2 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:51.600 This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name is Jonathan. 3 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:54.520 I'm Jacob Jacob let the good Cult members in on 4 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:56.880 a little secret about what we're gonna be talking about today, sir. 5 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.960 So before we started shooting, I was actually watching the 6 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:05.280 live press conference that's going on right now. It's all 7 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:08.560 about the UFO disclosure. And they've got these experts, some 8 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:11.000 of the names you might recognize, some of the names 9 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:13.920 I didn't recognize at first, and they are grilling them 10 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:17.439 on do you believe that the United States government has 11 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:24.599 a recovery program to recover crashed extraterrestrial ships and things 12 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:27.519 like this. Every single one of them said yes, I 13 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:30.400 might add, and then they said for what purpose? And 14 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:32.519 every one of them said, I would have to have 15 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:34.959 that conversation with you in a closed session, and all this, 16 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:37.200 this and this, and one of the dudes, one of 17 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:39.239 the congressmen or whatever that was up on the stage 18 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.519 was like, see, people are getting real frustrated with these 19 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:43.439 types of answers. 20 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:45.920 So all of you know what we're up against right now. 21 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:50.920 It's becoming more and more prevalent that people, regardless of 22 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:53.920 your opinions on the shape of the Earth, regardless of 23 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.040 your opinions on whatever religious. 24 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.560 Deity you tend to lean towards. 25 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:06.439 Whatever case, right, the UFO or UAP or USP whatever, 26 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:09.719 the flying and submersible crafts that are doing things that 27 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:14.319 humans cannot replicate, that are coming from somewhere else. This 28 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:18.479 conversation is becoming more and more and more a surface 29 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:23.719 level thing or coming from somewhen else, fine, fine, interdimensional 30 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.039 in her timeline, in her planetary whatever the case. That's 31 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:32.159 no longer a fringe theory. Twenty years ago, that was 32 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:33.199 a fringe theory. 33 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:33.680 Still. 34 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:35.960 It was more acceptable than it was in the seventies 35 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.479 by any means, but it was. It was getting more popular, 36 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:43.120 but it was still considered a fringe theory. Right, brother, 37 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:47.039 This is no longer a fringe theory, not even a 38 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:47.520 little bit. 39 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:50.360 You know what, as far as the interdimensional stuff, just 40 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:54.280 as far as like my understanding of you know, hermeticism 41 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:57.199 and pantheism and shit like that, and then you know 42 00:02:57.240 --> 00:03:00.000 all the different spiritual things that I love looking into 43 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:03.479 you on meta, dude, Whenever they say that something could 44 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:06.560 be coming from another dimension, I think that it's highly 45 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:11.360 possible and probably most likely that that's just just happening 46 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:14.439 right here, bro Like, it's happening right here, like and 47 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:16.879 I don't what I mean by rate here is like 48 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:19.280 you know, they say that we only have access to 49 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:22.439 be we can only see what point three or point 50 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:25.719 oh one percent of the color spectrum, and so we 51 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:27.759 don't have access to be able to see this shit 52 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:29.840 that is all around us all the time, whether you 53 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:31.719 believe it's spirit. 54 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:34.080 Guides or deities or whatever it is. 55 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:37.240 We could be literally talking about other civilizations who are 56 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:39.919 existing right in front of our face, but we just 57 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.800 don't have, you know, the the faculties to be able 58 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:47.840 to look at them and see them in that kind 59 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:49.919 of stuff. Now, I know that that gets kind of weird, 60 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:54.159 but we're also talking about dimensional overlay. So when you're 61 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:56.840 talking about a different dimension, it's like you're not going 62 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:59.479 to pick up on one oh two point five on 63 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:01.479 the radio if you're on ninety eight point one. 64 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:03.479 It's like that, you know what I'm saying. I think 65 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:05.599 that it's probably something like that, that it's all just 66 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:08.439 one big ass shared space and we just don't have 67 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:11.719 the faculties to be able to understand what the hell 68 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:14.199 is going on. Over there, and I agree with that 69 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:18.480 statement for the record, however, for the conversation for this evening, 70 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:22.480 and I am not detracting to say that interdimensional life 71 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:25.480 is not tearing through the veil and coming to our 72 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:27.680 existence and back and forth that both that could be 73 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.639 both for sure completely can be happening also, But for 74 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:35.000 this conversation, so we're going to talk a little bit 75 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:42.560 about the first confirmed intergalactic for lack of better words, 76 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:46.040 let's call it an object as of this moment that 77 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:52.240 came into our forefront in twenty seventeen. So let's dive 78 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:55.120 a little bit into a mua mua And yes, that 79 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:58.319 sounds like a Polynesian or Hawaiian name. It is, and 80 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:00.759 we're going to talk about why was named after a 81 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:04.720 Hawaiian thing and why specifically a mua mua was chosen, 82 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:06.920 because that's very very specific. 83 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:09.839 To call this this object, for lack of. 84 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:11.839 Better words, what does that translate to? Can you can 85 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:13.240 you say that we're gonna. 86 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:14.040 Get to we're gonna get to I don't. 87 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:16.040 I want to give it away, no spoilers just yet, 88 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:20.040 but let's just say it is extremely uh. 89 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:23.279 I think it's a bit on the nose personally, but 90 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:23.920 we'll get there. 91 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.680 You know, with all that symbolism, it is weird how 92 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.040 they are so symbolic. And we did a whole episode 93 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:32.000 on the the symbolism of the days and you know, 94 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:34.560 the rockets and all that kind of shit. But even 95 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:36.800 like if you don't believe in that kind of stuff, 96 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:39.199 like you know, just and we've talked about it before, 97 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:41.720 but one of von Braun having the psalms you know, 98 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:45.399 verse on his on his tombstone talking about the firmament, 99 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:47.920 it just makes you wonder, you know what I'm saying. 100 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.319 And I'm not necessarily somebody that believes that we live 101 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:54.160 in an enclosed dome. I don't believe that, but you know, 102 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:56.959 it's it's interesting, like what was he alluding to with that? 103 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:59.399 Of all things that you put? What do you mean 104 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:01.519 by that? You know what I'm saying, that's that's kind 105 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:01.759 of shit. 106 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:03.920 That agree? I agree. Now. 107 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:06.639 The reason why I'm saying that we're gonna kind of 108 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.439 sidestep the interimensional conversation as far as this episode goes, 109 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:16.680 is because the object a muamua, came from way out 110 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:20.639 they believe from a different galaxy. If not, they know 111 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:23.160 for sure a different solar system altogether. It came from 112 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:26.600 another Uh you know, the son is a star, right, 113 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:29.360 and that star is the center focal point for our 114 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:31.879 solar system, for our planetary orbits. 115 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:32.360 That we have going on. 116 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:37.639 A Muamua absolutely came from a completely different solar system, 117 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.160 and we honestly don't know how far away and how 118 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:41.959 long it was traveling to get to us. 119 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:45.920 Okay, another solar system, as in like a system that 120 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:46.879 had its own son. 121 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:48.759 You mean, yeah, yeah, okay. 122 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:51.920 Sorry, that probably sounded really retarded by me saying that, 123 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:53.240 but I'm just trying to make sure. 124 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:56.040 It But it very well could have been from another galaxy. 125 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:58.600 We're outside of the Milky Way. Now. 126 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:01.319 We don't know that for sure, but we know absolutely 127 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:03.759 beyond any shadow of a doubt, it didn't come from 128 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:04.920 our system. 129 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:06.879 It didn't come from our set that we have. 130 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:12.199 Right when it came, it passed relatively close to the Earth, 131 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.879 and it was going about one hundred and thirty thousand 132 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:22.000 miles per hour. Now, things traveling fast in space, that happens. Sure, 133 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:25.720 Haley's comet goes fast as fuck, but it's also a 134 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.560 part of our solar system. It makes its loop every 135 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:32.079 seventy six years, give or take. I'm a little fuzzy 136 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:34.920 on that personal detail, but we know for sure that 137 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:39.199 it is making its revolution around our sun. Okay, for 138 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:42.839 this to be going that fast already is an anomaly. 139 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.680 Then the fact that it's sped up. It passed by 140 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:50.879 our Earth, got closer to our Sun, curved, hooked around it, 141 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:54.240 and then took off, going even faster than it did before. 142 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.600 Now is it supposed to be like? Is it like? 143 00:07:57.720 --> 00:07:59.319 How is it going fast though? 144 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:02.879 Is it repelling off of some stars gravity or is 145 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:04.879 there some kind of propellant of sorts. 146 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:08.399 We don't know. And that's the part that kills me, 147 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:10.720 especially about a muamu. We're gonna get to Atlas here 148 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:12.720 in a moment, the thing that's coming at us right now. 149 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:15.000 But the thing that kills me about a muamua. 150 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:17.480 So this thing was going that fast, and it was 151 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:20.439 making a direct line towards our Sun. It passed by 152 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:23.680 Earth on its way to the Sun. Okay, cool the 153 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:27.240 Sun being the gravitational center of our solar system, you 154 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.199 would think that it would have either a gone into 155 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:33.279 the Sun or gotten trapped in our orbit in some way, 156 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:37.159 shape or form. Bro It basically slingshot around the Sun 157 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:40.360 and then didn't lose any speed by making that hard 158 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:41.120 banking maneuver. 159 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:43.399 If anything, it like doubled in speed. 160 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:46.840 And what the fuck off, it's already past our sun. 161 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.000 You're saying, Oh, yeah, no, this happened. It was only 162 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.039 in view for like a week, and that was in 163 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.519 twenty seventeen. Did it went past the sun? Yeah? 164 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:59.120 Brother, So this bit's gotta be getting close. You would 165 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:01.000 think one hundred and thirty thousand miles an hour. 166 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:04.200 Oh no, it's it's gone gone. She she gone gone. 167 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:07.279 She also so okay, So this wasn't something that was 168 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:09.360 supposed to like crash into Earth. 169 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:10.799 No, no, no, no. 170 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.159 But my point is though we have had nothing throughout 171 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:17.559 any recorded human history. I'm not gonna say ever because 172 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.600 if the Earth is allegedly four point six billion years 173 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:22.639 old and all the blah blah blah blah blah, right, 174 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.639 we don't know beyond what we have for written history, right, 175 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:30.519 But as far as our recollection of human history, this 176 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.240 is the first time we've ever had an object come 177 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:36.200 from that far out come by us that fast go 178 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:39.440 to the Sun and then take off even faster away 179 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:41.840 from the gravitational center of our. 180 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:44.120 Solar system, which defies all logic. 181 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:47.120 Now there's a couple of theories that have been proposed 182 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:50.159 as to how it started taking off even faster, but 183 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:52.720 we don't know what was making it go the way 184 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:55.000 that it was going. I got a lot of articles 185 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:56.720 pulled up and some videos are going to talk about 186 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:00.600 a muahmua, and then we're gonna talk about the Atlas three, 187 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:02.759 okay or three to one, depending on if that's the 188 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:04.840 Roman numeral for one or whatever. 189 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:06.159 I've seen it written both ways. 190 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:11.360 The Atlas object is another very interesting one because it's 191 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:14.799 coming even faster than a muamua did. It's supposed to 192 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:17.960 pass between the Earth and Mars on its way towards 193 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.720 the Sun, and we don't actually know what it's going 194 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:22.919 to do once it gets here. As of this moment, 195 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:25.600 they don't believe it's going to hit Earth. But the 196 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:29.480 thing is, it wasn't coming towards us. It was going 197 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:33.159 alongside our solar system. Because again going off of the 198 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:37.480 narrative of science saying that all of the planets in 199 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:40.000 the Sun are corkscrewing through space and all these things. 200 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:42.279 Just for the sake of conversation, just bear with me, right, 201 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:47.919 it was going parallel to our trajectory through space, then 202 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:50.360 out of nowhere, made a hard ninety degree turn and 203 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:52.360 has now started coming at us. 204 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.720 Oh okay, that's what I got confused with. The second 205 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:57.200 one is coming at us. I got you. 206 00:10:57.360 --> 00:10:59.440 Yeah, so, but I didn't want to just talk about 207 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:01.840 the atlas. I want to talk about at least that 208 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:03.840 little bit of historical precedence that we have. 209 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:07.279 But dude, the historical precedence is twenty seventeen. 210 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:10.840 This is not like, oh, way back when when we 211 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.159 didn't have the technology to see this or whatever. 212 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:15.000 No, this was just a few years ago. 213 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.919 This was three years before you and me started podcasting together, 214 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:20.440 right right. I did want to say this too, just 215 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:21.639 to throw it out there. I want to see what 216 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:22.320 you think about this. 217 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:27.480 So people always assume that aliens are like, you know, 218 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:33.200 like animal type beings. Right, maybe they're fucking mantises, or 219 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:37.159 maybe they're cats, or maybe they're you know, other blue 220 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:39.919 humans or something like that, or maybe they're the perfect 221 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.759 pleadians that are, you know, with the perfect blonde hair 222 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:45.039 and the blue eyes and stuff like that. I often 223 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:48.559 wonder like, is it not possible for I don't know, 224 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.559 a fucking gigantic asteroid to have some sort of sentience. 225 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:57.039 There'sen movies about that kind of shit, like if you Damn. 226 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.039 I can't remember what her name was, But there was 227 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:03.200 a movie where like this giant fucking I don't even 228 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:06.440 know what it was, some giant rock looking thing came 229 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:08.039 and landed on Earth. It was a movie came out 230 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.879 like three or four years ago, but it landed on 231 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:13.120 Earth and it was like communicating with the humans that 232 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:15.960 stepped into it, which you know what I'm saying, Like 233 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:19.759 as far as aliens go, like that would be alien alien, 234 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:21.320 you know what I mean. That's how I would think 235 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:21.720 about it. 236 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:24.600 I'm with you, And that's the thing right to say 237 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:27.960 that we have no concept of what for lack of 238 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.320 better words, an alien would look like little green men, 239 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:37.960 super tall human looking creatures, fucking u clandathu insectoids, like 240 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:41.759 we have no conttle are they ethereal beings? 241 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:42.559 Light beings? 242 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:42.799 Right? 243 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:44.919 And we couldn't even see them in our sun because 244 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.600 they would get bleached out by the sunlight. We could 245 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:50.279 only see them at night, like we who who knows 246 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:53.440 just the concept of even light beings in general? Like 247 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:56.960 I said, with the color spectrum earlier, like everything that 248 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:00.000 we can't see would essentially be a light being right, 249 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:04.240 possibly like that, they're absolutely I'm with you, right unless 250 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:07.639 it falls within the spectrum of roy GBIBV, we wouldn't 251 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:10.000 even be able to perceive what we're trying to look at. 252 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:14.200 But that's the thing. So to say that, possibly. 253 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:18.120 Like an asteroid is a craft for this type of entity. 254 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.320 It might look like an asteroid to us, and if 255 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:22.120 you were to step on to it, they could like 256 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:26.000 communicate with us inside. Like, I don't know, there's nothing 257 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:29.039 but open ended hypotheticals on this one, and no theory 258 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:33.039 is any greater or less credible than the other. I'm 259 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.200 so happy I rocked the alien fucking Hawaiian today. 260 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:36.399 Bro. 261 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:38.519 Like it was just something in me that was like. 262 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:41.200 Put this baby on it. It's gonna be for a reason, 263 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:41.559 you know. 264 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:43.320 Yeah, that was a good choice. That that was a 265 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:44.440 clutch move right there. 266 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:47.279 All right, So first video I got is gonna be 267 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:50.320 a little three minute long from History Channel as a 268 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:51.879 matter of fact, and I'm just gonna talk a little 269 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:52.799 bit about mumamuha. 270 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:54.519 It's a three minute video. 271 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.600 Nothing crazy here, but this is going to kickstart our 272 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.679 conversation and on them. For anybody who would like to 273 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:04.159 see what we are talking about rather than just hear 274 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:05.399 about it, where can they. 275 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:08.159 Go Patreon dot com slash Cult of Conspiracy Podcast. 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But that's why we 319 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.559 ask for your support of our Patreon and we appreciate 320 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:13.840 all the good cult members who have done so. 321 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:18.320 Indeed, all right, without any further ado, let's learn about 322 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.840 the wild events that took place in twenty seventeen with 323 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:24.399 this inexplicable object. 324 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:25.480 Let's go. 325 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:34.480 October nineteenth, twenty seventeen, the Hawaiian island of Maui. Here, 326 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:40.240 perched atapa ten thousand foot summit, stands the Holly Akalau Observatory. 327 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:46.399 Astronomers using the Panoramic Survey Telescope and Rapid Response System 328 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:51.120 or pan stars detect a mysterious object traveling at high 329 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:58.720 speed through our solar system. The trajectory of this object 330 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:01.720 is unlike any that has ever been seen before. 331 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.400 That was in charge of coordinating the observing to characterize 332 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:12.519 the object, the object was discovered and at that point 333 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:16.640 there were images taken that showed an object moving rapidly 334 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:21.799 with respect to the stars. The stars are individual dots 335 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.480 of light and this object was a street, so they 336 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:28.359 knew it was moving fast. But that point they started 337 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:31.519 to compute an orbit to try and understand what this 338 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:36.160 object was. This was a really dramatic difference from what 339 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:37.559 had been seen previously. 340 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:44.960 The object was found or of a highly unusual hyperbolic orbit, 341 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:48.400 suggesting that it was traveling at such a high rate 342 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:51.039 of speed that it was not being pulled into a 343 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:53.480 more circular orbit by the force of gravity. 344 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:59.079 Everything in the Solar systems either on a circular or 345 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:02.720 an elliptical or it. Yeah, this was a particularly exciting 346 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:06.680 observation because we had never seen anything like this come 347 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:08.240 through the Solar System. 348 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:12.559 The object, which was classified as an asteroid and named 349 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:17.079 Omua moua, a Hawaiian word meaning scout or messenger, is 350 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:20.440 the first object of its kind to be officially recognized 351 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:21.480 as interstellar. 352 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:24.000 They're real quick, we're gonna get back to the video, 353 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:26.759 but I do want to make mention this scout or 354 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:31.599 messager from Afar. There's another translation that says messenger from 355 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:33.960 the past. Thought you might get a kick out of that. 356 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:37.480 Well, you can also take it the extra mile and 357 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:39.920 just call that bad boy ello fucking' heme. 358 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:45.000 I mean possibly right and star shaped. I mean yeah, 359 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:49.079 but that's the thing. It didn't communicate with us, right 360 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:51.920 and we're gonna talk more about that too. There were 361 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:54.079 some attempts to try to make contact with it, but 362 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:57.240 again it was moving so fast that we only had 363 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:00.240 about a one week window to really get any kind 364 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:04.680 of observing done on the object. Right, it's the only 365 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:08.319 object to ever have the EYE classification by its name, 366 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:13.160 meaning interstellar. At first they were going to name it 367 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:19.359 A was it A twenty seven for asteroid? Then they thought, well, 368 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:21.720 though it doesn't have the characteristics of an asteroid, it 369 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:24.519 doesn't have this tail going behind hery, this must be 370 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:26.519 a comet, because those are the only two things that 371 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:28.839 we have, right, So then they gave it the C 372 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:33.359 twenty seven classification or whatever. Then they realize that, no, 373 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:35.799 this is not an asteroid. It is certainly not a 374 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:38.920 comet or a meteorriter any of these things. It is 375 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:42.079 from something outside of our solar system. It is, as 376 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:44.319 of now to date, the only thing that has the 377 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:48.319 classification of I for interstellar. Interesting. 378 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:50.880 You know what makes me wonder like this can't be 379 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:54.000 the only anomaly that is happening out in space within 380 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:55.720 our reach on a daily. 381 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:57.680 Basis, You know what I'm saying. Do you think that. 382 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.920 Like maybe this got out or why would they tell 383 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.920 us about this? Is this just the only anomaly that 384 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:06.319 ever happens out in space that we were able to observe. 385 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:08.960 This was the first that we were able to observe. 386 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:10.759 And that's the thing I'm not saying that we didn't 387 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:13.319 have stuff like this happened in the fifteen hundreds. 388 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:15.559 I don't know, we didn't have. 389 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.119 The capability to get a good look at it, see 390 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:21.519 it coming in and start breaking down what this means 391 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:23.920 based off of what kind of light reflection we're getting 392 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:26.240 off of it? How fast is that really going in 393 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:28.559 the night sky? How do we even quantify that kind 394 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:31.079 of speed? They didn't they didn't have the metrics for 395 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:31.759 that back. 396 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:35.279 Then, right right, Well, yeah, it's I don't know. I'm 397 00:20:35.319 --> 00:20:39.079 just I'm talking about even within the last seventy five years, 398 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:41.920 you know what I'm saying, just as far as technology goes, Like, 399 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:47.119 I don't know, I mean, I have such a mistrust 400 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:50.720 with all of our government and everything that's attached to it, 401 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:55.319 including NASA obviously, But I don't know. I just and 402 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:57.440 I'm not I'm you know, me like I'm totally on 403 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:00.440 the fence about what planets are and what space is 404 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:02.680 in this kind of stuff, and so my mind is 405 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:04.519 going in all different kind of directions. But for the 406 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.279 purpose of this episode, I'm going to be thinking as 407 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:11.960 if space is real, planets are solid you know, circles 408 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:17.440 or spheres rather and yeah, so in that frame of reference, 409 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.599 I guess this would be a weird thing anomaly. 410 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:25.880 It is a one in a humankind type of anomaly, 411 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:28.200 like I said, as far as we know for written 412 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:31.160 human history. And yes, I agree that NASA lies to 413 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:34.160 us about a lot. I'm fully on board with that, 414 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:36.680 But I also think they're a lot more forthright with 415 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:38.720 us than we want to give them credit for. But 416 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:40.960 I also think that they're taking stabs in the dark 417 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:44.680 figuratively and literally to try to give answers to the 418 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:48.039 unanswerable a lot of the time. And this is why 419 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:53.000 the realm of like physics and theoretical physics it gets 420 00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:55.839 so murky, because they are literally taking stabs in the 421 00:21:55.920 --> 00:22:00.240 dark with what they can mathematically quantify for things we 422 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.799 haven't even built up the concept of yet. So like 423 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:06.759 this object coming through you saw its flight path, right, 424 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:11.640 it was going so fast that it wasn't being affected 425 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:15.400 by even the gravity of the Sun. It was around it, 426 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:17.640 and as soon as it got by the Sun, it 427 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:19.720 was going like one hundred and thirty thousand miles per 428 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:22.000 hour kilometers per hour. I forget the one. We'll read 429 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:24.279 more about it here in a bit. When it went 430 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:28.519 around the Sun, it took off going damn near two hundred. Yeah, 431 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:29.720 that's picking up some speed. 432 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.400 Do we know the average speed of an asteroid or 433 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:34.599 a comet or something like that? 434 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.799 Is it that much more than what this would be? 435 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:39.960 I don't have it pulled up, But you know what, 436 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:42.640 matter of fact, while I'm playing this video, google what 437 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:43.279 they think the. 438 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:44.720 Speed of Haley's comet is? 439 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:45.039 Right? 440 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:48.559 That is, in our solar system, it's making its elliptrical path. 441 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:51.960 It comes around Earth every seventy six years. They have 442 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:55.119 to have a quantifiable number to how fast that's going. 443 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.480 But you know, I don't know off top. 444 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:02.640 That would be Haley's comment travels at varying speeds depending 445 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:05.759 on its position and its orbit, reaching about thirty three 446 00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:10.119 point seven to seven miles per second, so and it 447 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:13.519 slows down to about a half a mile per second. 448 00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:15.480 Now you're talking about per second, that's not per hour. 449 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:19.039 So that's still hauling some ass. Ye, But yeah, this 450 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:22.480 thing is way faster than even Haley's comment at that point. 451 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:26.000 So thirty three miles per second is what it said 452 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:30.000 as fastest, right, okay, that time sixty. 453 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:32.759 That's sixty okay. So I'm trying to think what that 454 00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:34.200 would be in the miles per hour. 455 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:40.039 You know what, I can't even let me see, yeah, 456 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:43.000 because I'm really curious about what that speed actually would be. 457 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:47.880 So that would be thirty three thirty three point seven 458 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:50.759 seven times sixty times sixty. 459 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:53.960 So you said that this object was flying at one 460 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.160 hundred and thirty thousand miles and then and then it 461 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:58.039 got up to two hundred thousand miles an hour. 462 00:23:58.480 --> 00:24:01.519 We're gonna read more in the article, but yeah. 463 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:04.720 So Haley's comment at its fastest, as it said right here, 464 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:07.440 reaching about thirty three point seven seven miles per second, 465 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:11.480 would be one hundred and twenty one thousand miles per hour. Okay, 466 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:13.960 So this thing is faster than even Haley's comment. 467 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:15.000 Damn. 468 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:19.880 Okay, about nine thousand miles more per hour, which I 469 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:22.079 know that like on the spectrum of what we just said, 470 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:25.000 that doesn't sound like a lot. That's nine thousand miles 471 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:29.440 per hour faster. That's substantial, ye know, that's pretty fucking quick. 472 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:32.200 Yeah, right, And that's the thing Haley's comment. 473 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.759 It's making its loop based off of the gravity and 474 00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:38.440 based off of its the gravity off of the Sun, 475 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:40.400 right the same way that the Earth is going around 476 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:42.160 at a certain speed, the same way that Mars is 477 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:43.400 going around at a certain speed. 478 00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:45.680 That's what's giving Haley's commet is propulsion. 479 00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:50.440 This object had no signs of what was giving its propulsion. 480 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:53.519 And when we hear more about it later, it wasn't 481 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:54.880 going in a straight line. 482 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:56.160 It was tumbling. 483 00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:59.519 It was spinning like it was a football going through 484 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:02.640 a spiral, and it was tumbling through the air as well, 485 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:05.480 and it was teeter tottering at the same time. How 486 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:10.160 could that possibly give you leverage for speed? I bro 487 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:12.759 I'm telling you they could tell the speed based off 488 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:14.480 of how fast it was moving from point A to 489 00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:16.920 point B in the sky. Sure, But but as far 490 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:20.960 as like, they don't know how it was being pushed. 491 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:23.799 What I'm saying is is that you know, the if 492 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:26.720 you're trying to throw the football as fast and as 493 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:28.759 hard and as far as you possibly can, you want 494 00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:31.440 to try and have the best spiral you can imagine 495 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:34.000 on it, Right, Like it's that's the most aerodynamic that 496 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:36.920 a football can be is whenever it's thrown in a spiral. Now, 497 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:39.519 obviously this thing is not football shaped to shape like 498 00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:42.920 a giant Johnson, and we're. 499 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:45.000 Gonna talk about that too. Because they thought it was 500 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:51.000 cigar shaped. Then more research and more clearer images showed 501 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:55.880 that it was what some might call disc shaped. 502 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:59.759 Oh, let's go, all right, yeah, before we even you know, uh, 503 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:02.039 dive in anymore, I want to learn more about this. 504 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:03.319 All right, all right, let's go. 505 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:10.559 An asteroid was discovered coming into our solar system. Let 506 00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:13.720 that sink in. An asteroid was discovered coming into our 507 00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:16.559 solar system from where, we don't know. It just came 508 00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:20.039 from outside our solar system, meaning it's from a different 509 00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:25.440 star system somewhere else. That's historic that we've actually seen it. 510 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:29.319 We now know objects can travel from one star system 511 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:30.279 to another. 512 00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:35.759 Researchers engaged in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence or setting 513 00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:40.160 were intrigued not only by Omua MUI's origins, but also 514 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:42.920 by its unusual shape. 515 00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:45.359 It had a very funny shape, shaped like a cigar. 516 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:47.880 You know, it's maybe five or ten times as long 517 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:51.160 as it is across. No asteroid that we know of 518 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:54.519 looks like a cigar. Inevitably that where people say, well, 519 00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.119 are you sure it's a rock? Maybe there's somebody inside 520 00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:58.640 this thing, maybe they've come to visit. 521 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:03.400 Now, if I were gonna build a spaceship, there's gonna 522 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:05.559 take hundreds of years or maybe thousands or millions of 523 00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:08.440 years ago from one start to another. I would start 524 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:10.799 by finding a big asteroid that I like, that had 525 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:12.960 all the minerals on it, and I would use that 526 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:15.160 and just turn it into the ship I. 527 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:20.920 Wanted, which is also not a crazy conclusion. 528 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:23.759 You use what they got at that point. Yeah, If 529 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:26.960 asteroids are made out of all these different types of metals, 530 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.519 which they are, right, there's nickel, there's iron, there's all 531 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.279 these things on there, it would stand to reason that 532 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:35.960 you would find kind of think have you ever seen 533 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:36.559 flint napping? 534 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:37.160 Oh? 535 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:38.680 Yeah, like how you would take a rock and you 536 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:40.920 would chip that away to turn it into a bleed. 537 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:43.160 My dad was an eagle scout, of course, I've seen that. 538 00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:46.160 There you go, Okay, So it would stand to reason 539 00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:49.599 that somebody, rather than building a craft from the ground up, 540 00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:52.720 would find something already out in space that they could 541 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:54.440 use for this purpose. Now I'm not saying that that's 542 00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:56.920 exactly what this was or not. I'm saying that that 543 00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.599 is not a crazy hypothetical to throw on to the table. 544 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.839 Yeah, yeah, man, I'm trying to think, like and it 545 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:06.519 makes you almost wonder, you know, like here we are 546 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:09.319 using our propulsion system to try and get from A 547 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:12.480 to B as fast as we can, and meanwhile, this 548 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:15.039 thing has no propulsion system and it's going faster than 549 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:17.440 anything we could ever even imagine to create. 550 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:21.839 Right, and just so we're all clear, here Atlas is 551 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:28.759 coming at us faster. But all right, so the how 552 00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:29.680 would you even say that? 553 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:30.119 One I? 554 00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:35.160 What's the word? So this is the one I designation 555 00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:39.559 would be the first interstellar designation. Right, Whenever we have 556 00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:42.559 a comet or a meteor or an asteroid, they get 557 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.279 an A or a C designation and there's a number 558 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:49.319 associated with it because it's like the fifty fifth discovery 559 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.680 of a comet and that's fifty five C, and then 560 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:54.640 they name it or something like that, like Haley's comment 561 00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:57.160 has a designation like this, it's a number and a C. 562 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:02.119 One I is because it is the first ever interstellar 563 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.400 it's the only one before Atlas ever was a thing. 564 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:10.400 Umuama was the only interstellar designation that we have on 565 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:11.799 record on Earth period. 566 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:16.000 Okay, so Omuamua was the one that passed back in 567 00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.079 twenty seventeen. And what just to clarify, what is the 568 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.640 one that's coming at us now called Atlas Atlas? Okay, 569 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.279 I just didn't want to confuse those all right, so 570 00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:31.400 one eyed slash. Amuama is the first confirmed interstellar object 571 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.920 detected passing through the Solar System, formally designated one I 572 00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.440 twenty seventeen U one. It was discovered by the Canadian 573 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:45.559 Robert work Sure using the Pan Star's telescope at Oh God, 574 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:47.240 I need to take the glasses off for this, because 575 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:48.000 that it's. 576 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:52.720 A Hawaiian word that there's so many syllables Hala Kalikaka 577 00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:58.240 Observatory in Hawaii on October nineteen, twenty seventeen, approximately forty 578 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:00.559 days after it passed its closest point to the Sun 579 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.160 on September ninth. When it was first observed, it was 580 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:07.559 about thirty three million kilometers or twenty one million miles 581 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:12.599 for America units from the Earth, about eighty five times 582 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.759 as far away as the Moon, and already heading away 583 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:19.160 from the Sun. Amuamua is a small object estimated to 584 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:22.359 be between one hundred and one thousand meters or three 585 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.640 hundred and three thousand American feet long, with its width 586 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:31.119 and thickness both estimated between thirty five I'm not even 587 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:33.799 reading meters and all that bullshit, one hundred and fifteen 588 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.119 to five hundred and forty eight feet real quick, real quick. 589 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:40.440 Just so we're all clear here. It was discovered after 590 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:43.480 it had already passed the sun. They didn't even see 591 00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:46.680 it coming towards the Sun. They only realized what it 592 00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:49.920 was after it had jettisoned from the Sun. Then they 593 00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:52.319 went back and started looking at the recordings from the 594 00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.680 sky in the days prior to find out where the 595 00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:55.799 fuck it came from. 596 00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:57.039 So just so we're all clear here. 597 00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:00.279 It was going so fast that no one actually picked 598 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.200 up on it until it already gone and done most 599 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:03.759 of the work. 600 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:05.720 It's mind blowing, dude. 601 00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:08.599 Yeah, you're not gonna prepare for something like this, you 602 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:10.440 know what I'm saying. Like, First of all, if something 603 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:12.279 like this was to smash into us, I mean, it's 604 00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:14.880 a pretty sizable object. I feel like it would do 605 00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.119 some damage. And there's not really gonna be any way 606 00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:19.640 of getting out of harm's way, because I goes, how 607 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.759 would you know exactly? I mean, I guess by the speed, 608 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.039 you'd be able to determine what time of day it 609 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.400 would be, and therefore, what you know, surface of the 610 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:30.519 earth is pointing towards the sun, in which it's the 611 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:32.519 direction that it's coming from. Maybe you'd be able to 612 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.559 do a little math like that. Damn, that might have 613 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:37.000 been one of the smartest things I've ever said. Very 614 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.039 accurate though, very good. But but yeah, I mean, I 615 00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.680 guess that's how you would maybe observe that. But even still, 616 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.480 you're you're done. You you just got to hope that 617 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.559 whenever that thing comes around, it's nighttime on where you're living. 618 00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:53.960 Essentially, And that's the thing that's the arguably the conversation 619 00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:56.480 is to what killed the dinosaurs? Right, And I'm not 620 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.519 saying that it was a meteor impact. However, a metter 621 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:03.880 impact of something very large, like for instance, the atlas 622 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.200 that's coming our way is supposed to be twice the 623 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:10.720 size of Everest, Right, it's basically the side of Manhattan 624 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.079 Islands smacking into us. If it was to hit us, 625 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.839 that would realistically put us in a nuclear winter. 626 00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:18.319 You know what, I don't. 627 00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:21.200 I mean, maybe this has been talked about before. And 628 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.839 I'm not a believer in dinosaurs personally, that's just my 629 00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:26.799 own thing. But let's just say that there were dinosaurs 630 00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:29.519 and there was a meteor impact that caused their extinction. 631 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:32.759 Would it be that crazy that the crater that it 632 00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:34.920 left would be the Grand Canyon? I mean, isn't that 633 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:38.480 the fucking biggest like, I mean, yeah, it's not. I 634 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:39.920 don't know if they think that it's some kind of 635 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:42.559 asteroid impact zone or whatever. I know that they say 636 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.160 that it's from water and shit like that, but how 637 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:46.359 do you know, you. 638 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:46.759 Know, right? 639 00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:51.119 I mean, there are crater impacts on Earth that we 640 00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.680 can log, you know what I mean, and we can 641 00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:56.079 backtrack and show that this is what happened. 642 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:58.359 Here's about when it hit these things? Cool? 643 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.839 Cool the Grand can and being positively like the skid 644 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.880 mark if you will, like the the You know, when 645 00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.079 you see like a plane crash into somewhere, it doesn't 646 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.359 just like hard stop, it fucking skirts the ground for 647 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:11.240 a bit, right? Could that have been what the Grand 648 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:13.240 Canyon is for a giant asteroid. 649 00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:15.440 It's very possible. I suppose. 650 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.799 Yeah, I always found it weird that for like asteroid zones, 651 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.440 like and I don't know, I might be stupid whenever 652 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.319 I say this, but like typically whenever you see like 653 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:29.279 asteroid impact zones and you see the crater that they leave, 654 00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.359 is that is the asteroid just so burrowed into the 655 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:34.400 ground that you're not even able to observe it anymore. 656 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.039 And that's why most of the time you don't ever 657 00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:36.680 see them. 658 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.680 It usually burns up on impact. Right. 659 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.559 So whenever something's in space, there is no oxygen right there, 660 00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:45.440 there is no heat in space. 661 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:47.440 And we've talked about this a good bit too. 662 00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:52.519 People believe that, like the Sun's rays are, there's nothing 663 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.240 stopping them in space, so you be like torched alive. 664 00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:57.480 But somehow all the movies show that you'll freeze to 665 00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.880 death in space. Here's the problem with the way he 666 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.599 heat transfers. Okay, water boils at two hundred and twelve 667 00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.960 degrees fahrenheit on Earth. Okay, if you were to go 668 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:08.840 to your oven right now and set it to two 669 00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.159 hundred and twelve degrees right and let it be there 670 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:13.679 for a couple hours, let it get good, and two 671 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:15.960 hundred and twelve up in that bitch and stick your 672 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:20.199 hand in there. It'll be uncomfortable, but you'll be fine, right, 673 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.599 because heat transfers through air in a certain way. Now, 674 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:27.239 take a pot of water and boil it. It will 675 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.159 be two hundred and twelve degrees. Stick your hand in that. 676 00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:35.360 It's going to fucking fry you because water transfers heat 677 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.320 a lot better than air. Okay, So in space there 678 00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:42.079 is no air, there's no heat transfer, and that's just 679 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.079 not how it goes. So when an object from space 680 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.360 enters our atmosphere, heat transfer does happen. And if something 681 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.480 is going that fast, friction alone will start the heat, 682 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:56.360 like the heat up the outside. And that's how most 683 00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.519 of the asteroids and meteors and whatever else they burn 684 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.960 up before before they ever actually touched down on Earth. 685 00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.320 So once we do have an impact of some type, 686 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.719 a lot of it is already in the process of burning, 687 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:09.960 so by the time you go there to recover it, 688 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.639 it's not much of anything left. But there's also times 689 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.000 when there is something that you can get from it, 690 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.280 right There's there's even swords made from the ancient times 691 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:24.039 made from the iron extracted from a meteor. So like 692 00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:26.199 not all of it burns up and you can't extract 693 00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:28.320 iron off of it and forge that into a blade. 694 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:30.360 Some of them are in museums, and shit. 695 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:31.559 Are our meteors? 696 00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:34.000 I'm asking all this kind of shit because I really 697 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:36.719 don't look into space, like this is not my arena, 698 00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.400 So I really don't know a whole lot about this 699 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:39.000 kind of stuff. 700 00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:40.800 But our media, I'm not a master of it, but 701 00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:42.079 I can answer a few things. 702 00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:44.599 You know, our meteor is said to be fragments of 703 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:46.320 exploded stars. 704 00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:49.360 Where then do they come from? 705 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:55.199 To be honest with you, there's an argument to say 706 00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:59.320 that we are the remnants of an exploded star. Huh? 707 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.800 That is that such that you see what I'm saying. 708 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:04.639 It's like, to what level of depth are you trying 709 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:09.400 to go with that conversation? But typically meteors come from 710 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:13.440 there is like, for instance, there's an asteroid belt around Saturn, right, 711 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:17.840 and that those had to have come from somewhere. There 712 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:21.199 is a co what's it called beyond Neptune. It's called 713 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:27.239 the uh shit, not the interstellar cloud. They call it 714 00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:30.280 some something cloud. I'm drawing a blank on it, but 715 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:34.920 essentially that is there, and it's sending trash and asteroids 716 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.360 and things like that towards us from time to time. Now, 717 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:43.519 typically these get caught up in other planets' gravitational polls right, 718 00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:46.000 or and they bounce off of some other planets moons 719 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.559 or something like that. By the time it gets to us, 720 00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:51.920 the odds of one hitting Earth are relatively low, even 721 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:54.440 though we get hit with thousands of them a day. 722 00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.960 Real shit, most of them are no bigger than your hand. 723 00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.639 Are you talking about the Kyper Belt's thank you? 724 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.039 Thank you? The Kuyper cloud or Kuiper belt, right. 725 00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.719 So, most of them are the size of your actual 726 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.039 if you were to make a fist, that is about 727 00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:12.079 the size of your typical medior or asteroid that hits 728 00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.280 the Earth, and about you know, somewhere between five hundred 729 00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.280 and thousand of those hit the Earth every single day. 730 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:20.039 That's burning up well before it ever comes down to us. 731 00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:21.599 And it's not even like we're getting sprinkled with the 732 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.320 soot at that point. It's literally just dust in the air. 733 00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:27.199 By the time it gets anywhere near us, some of 734 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.119 them are a little larger, and they might be the 735 00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:31.000 size of a fucking mini van, And then by the 736 00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.199 time it gets to us, it might be the size 737 00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:36.480 of a foot locker or something like that. I you 738 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.360 know it all, there's a lot of things that play 739 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:41.239 into it. But yeah, so they come from just in 740 00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:44.159 our Solar system, in our galaxy. But the fact that 741 00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:47.159 a muamuha came from outside of our Solar system and 742 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.440 they were able to track it to show they're like, nah, dude, 743 00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.320 this didn't come from anything that we know of. It 744 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.719 came from outside of our realm of understanding. For lack 745 00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:58.639 of better words, it is it's the first one that 746 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.880 we know of that did this, all right, well, Amua mooha. 747 00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:06.119 It says that it has a red color like objects 748 00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:09.400 like objects in the outer Solar System. Despite its close 749 00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:11.519 approach to the Sun, it showed no signs of having 750 00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:15.239 a coma, the usual nebula around comets formed when they 751 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.280 passed near the Sun. Further, it exhibited non gravitational acceleration, 752 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:24.039 potentially due to outgassing or push from solar radiation pressure. 753 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:27.519 It has a rotation rate similar to the Solar System's asteroids, 754 00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.679 but many valid models permit it to be unusually more 755 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:35.159 elongated than all but a few other natural bodies observed 756 00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:38.440 in the Solar System. This feature rayed speculation about its origin. 757 00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:43.960 Its light curve, assuming little systematic error, presents its motion 758 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:48.199 as tumbling rather than spinning, and moving sufficiently fast relative 759 00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:53.000 to the Sun that is likely of extrasolar origin. Extrapolated 760 00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:56.599 and without further deceleration, its path cannot be captured into 761 00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:59.840 solar orbit, so it will eventually leave the Solar System 762 00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:03.840 and continue into interstellar space. Its planetary system of origin 763 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:05.400 and age are unknown. 764 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:09.159 Okay, now that's just the first couple of paragraphs in 765 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.440 the wiki. We're not going to read all the things. 766 00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:13.320 Although I did want to show this, this is the 767 00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.960 path that it took. We didn't even realize it was 768 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.000 there until it was about here on the other side 769 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.400 of the Sun, and then it took the fuck off 770 00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:22.800 even faster than when it came. 771 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.920 But neither here nor there I did. Actually right here 772 00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:28.760 it says the name whereas it at. 773 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:33.159 The Hawaiian term of a mua mua, because it was 774 00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:36.559 discovered on the Hawaiian islands right at that observatory or 775 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:40.159 the pan, I should say, but it stands for scout 776 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:45.639 or it's like to reach out for and mua replicated 777 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:50.159 for emphasis is first in advance of so like a 778 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.159 scouting party in some way, shape or form or what 779 00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:56.079 we might even call if for our human eyes or 780 00:39:56.079 --> 00:40:02.559 our human understandings, like a intel diligence plane. Yeah, you know, 781 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:05.719 he's just flying over to take pictures and things like that. 782 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:08.920 He doesn't have armaments on him, he doesn't have a 783 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.599 whole crew of dudes waiting to parachute out the back. 784 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:15.920 He's just there taking some surveillance things for some pictures 785 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:16.440 and stuff. 786 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:18.639 Well, and it's a shame that we didn't really have 787 00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:22.039 access to be able to view it from before it 788 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.800 would before it went around the sun like that, because 789 00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:28.000 you know, if you think about it, it would make 790 00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.360 sense that, yes, you would want to propel an almost 791 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:33.639 slingshot around the Sun due to its gravitational force, right, 792 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:35.880 Like that makes the most amount of sense if you're 793 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.639 doing it intentionally. But the reason why I say that 794 00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:43.199 is because if it was an intentional thing, then maybe 795 00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.960 there were some corrective errors that a natural object with 796 00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:51.360 you know, no intention, Maybe it just it was a 797 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.960 happenstance that it just so happened to get caught in 798 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:56.079 that that stream, so to say. 799 00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.639 And that would make sense to me if it was larger, 800 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.639 bro this thing was only like a thousand meters long. 801 00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:07.440 Like, that's that's not huge. That's a couple of football 802 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:11.280 fields in length. Real shit, this is this wasn't like 803 00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:11.880 the size of. 804 00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:12.880 A mountain by any means. 805 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.679 It's a large object as far as like, like I said, 806 00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:18.039 most of the things that hit the Earth of the 807 00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:22.079 size of your hand. Our space shuttles. Yeah, bigger than 808 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:23.960 our space shuttles. But it's not like the size of 809 00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:27.360 the moon or anything like that. This thing, this tiny thing, 810 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.119 and in the spectrum of space, this is not even 811 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:33.360 like a twenty two bullet, okay. And it was going 812 00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:37.800 so fucking fast that the gravity of all the planets 813 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:41.039 that it passed and the Sun played no effect on it. 814 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:43.360 That is mind blowing. 815 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:48.119 Yeah, that's pretty interesting, all right. So the next video 816 00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:49.639 we have here is from a TED talk as a 817 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:51.840 matter of fact, from doctor Karen J. 818 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:56.039 Meach. She and her team actually won the contract. 819 00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:58.760 To get the exclusive rights to do all the observing 820 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:03.800 of this craft object. Excuse me, because when this took place, 821 00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:07.119 they realized they only had a very small window of 822 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:12.000 opportunity to see this thing, observe it, take samples, take notes, whatever, 823 00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.079 do the scientific method. And the problem is you have 824 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:19.280 thousands of research teams all across the world and only 825 00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:23.920 a few places where they have the facilities to actually 826 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.880 observe this. So it became a mad dash to see 827 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:31.000 which team would win the opportunity to do the research 828 00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:33.800 on this object, right, And it was a very ugly, 829 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.440 cutthroat world of who gets it and who's fighting for 830 00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.800 it and all these things. Her team actually got it, 831 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:42.400 So she was giving a ted talk talking a little 832 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.119 bit more about it, and I thought it was interesting. 833 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.039 So let's learn from the woman who led the team, herself, 834 00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:50.119 Karen Meach. 835 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.679 Now, from a perfectly selfish point of view, the first 836 00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:56.960 thing we might like to know is how massive on 837 00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:00.400 More and More is, Because, after all, a pasted very 838 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.000 close to the Earth and we didn't know about it 839 00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:04.280 until afterwards. 840 00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:08.559 How bad would this have been had it not missed 841 00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:09.159 the Earth? 842 00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:13.960 Well, the impact energy depends on the square the velocity 843 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.480 times its mass, and the mass depends on how big 844 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:19.079 it is and what it's made of. 845 00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:21.280 So how big is. 846 00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:25.039 Omuama and what's its shape? Well we can get this 847 00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:27.840 from its brightness. Now, if you don't believe me, think 848 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:30.920 of comparing the brightness of a firefly in your backyard 849 00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:35.199 to the airplane lights navigation lights on a distant airplane. 850 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.000 You know, the airplane is much brighter, It just appears 851 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:42.039 faint because it's so far away. We're also going to 852 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:45.920 need to know how reflective the surface of Omuamwa is, 853 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.559 and we don't have any clue, but it's reasonable to 854 00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:53.079 assume it's very similar to small asteroids and comets in 855 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:56.599 our solar system, or in technical terms, something between the 856 00:43:56.639 --> 00:44:02.519 reflectivity of charcoal and wet sand. Nowadays, most of the 857 00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.719 big telescopes are used in what's called a service mode, 858 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:10.679 meaning we have to carefully develop all the instructions and 859 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:14.440 send them to the telescope operator and then anxiously wait 860 00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:18.440 for the data to come back, praying to the weather gods. Now, 861 00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:21.519 I bet most of you don't have careers that critically 862 00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:25.599 depend on whether or not it's cloudy. Last night, Well, 863 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.199 we weren't going to get any second chances here because 864 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.880 the weather was great and Muamoa decided not to be. 865 00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.360 Its brightness wasn't constant. Now Here we see Omuamua racing 866 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.639 between the stars. It's centered in the middle. The stars 867 00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:43.719 are trailed out because the telescope is Following its motion, 868 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:48.760 it started faint, and then it got brighter, fainter, brighter, 869 00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:52.239 and fainter again. As sunlight is reflected off of four 870 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:58.519 sides of an oblong object, the extreme brightness change led 871 00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:03.079 us to an unbelievable conclusion about its shape. As shown 872 00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:08.079 in this artist's impression, Omuamoa is apparently very long and narrow, 873 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:12.519 with an access ratio of about ten to one. Assuming 874 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.800 it's dark, this means it's about half a mile long. 875 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:19.639 Nothing else in our solar system looks like this. We 876 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.119 only have a handful of objects that even have an 877 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:26.039 access ratio bigger than five to one. So we don't 878 00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:28.320 know how this forms, but it may be part of 879 00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:34.400 its birth process in its home solar system. Well, Omama 880 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:38.480 was varying in brightness every seven point three four hours, 881 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:42.199 or so, we thought. As more data started to come 882 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.920 in from other teams, they were reporting different numbers. Why 883 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.119 is it the more we learn about something, the harder 884 00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:51.480 it gets to interpret. Well, it turns out that a 885 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.760 muhama is not rotating in a simple way. It's wobbling 886 00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.320 like a top. So while it is rotating around its 887 00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:02.079 short axis, it's also rolling around the long axis. 888 00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:03.760 And nodding up and down. 889 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:09.159 This very energetic, excited motion is almost certainly the result 890 00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:14.719 of it being violently tossed out of its home solar system. Now, 891 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.920 how we interpret the shape from its brightness depends very 892 00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:20.880 critically on how it's spinning. So now we have to 893 00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.599 rethink what it may look like and a shown in 894 00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:26.880 this beautiful painting by space artist Bill Hartman. We think 895 00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:30.480 that Omama may be more of a flattened oval. 896 00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:37.199 Or what some might say is very disc like. 897 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:41.440 I mean, it do look like a I mean a 898 00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:45.000 U a phone. But you understand why they thought it 899 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.800 was like like a rock formative, not necessarily like a 900 00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.000 highly technical with buttons and whistles and all that other shit, 901 00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:55.079 but like shaped exactly like, not exactly like, very like 902 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:56.400 it very like a UFO. 903 00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:59.159 We really don't know if it was this or not. 904 00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:01.159 That's the thing they thought. 905 00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:03.840 All the images you'll look up about Ama MOUI will 906 00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:07.280 still to this day showed the cigar shape. This is 907 00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.280 something that came out seven years ago, and they still 908 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.960 dispute whether it is cigar shaped or oval shaped, or 909 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:15.719 like this is like a flatten oval or a disc 910 00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:19.000 shape or anything like that. They want to believe that 911 00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:22.079 it looks like it's made of rock. They don't know that. 912 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:24.679 For you fact, they're going off of its light reflection. 913 00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:25.599 We're gonna learn more about it. 914 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:27.840 I'm gonna continue the video, but I just want to 915 00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:28.639 make this distinction. 916 00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:33.519 You could understand how this from our perspective would at 917 00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:36.559 first appear to be a cigar shape, right. It's it's 918 00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.000 like this, and this is all you're seeing from it. 919 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:42.119 You don't realize there's a whole other side to that mug. 920 00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.119 Yeah, you don't know the depth of it exactly, but 921 00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:50.400 if it is hypothetically disk shaped, that would lend a 922 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.960 little more credence to why it's spinning this way, right, 923 00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:57.039 and why it's toppling like this in some way to 924 00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:02.360 kind of maintain it's a flight for lack of better words, Yeah, 925 00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:04.119 that would make sense as to why they wouldn't be 926 00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.639 able to really get the numbers on it as far 927 00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:10.760 as it's like rotational orbit or whatever you would call it, 928 00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.920 because it's so it's going like that, and it's tumbling 929 00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:17.519 around like that, and there's a lot of shit going on, 930 00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:20.480 So it's not like a perfect thing that's flying through space. 931 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:22.360 You know, staying the same. 932 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.159 It's like a teeter totter kind of motion that's also 933 00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:26.960 tumbling in circles. 934 00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:31.679 That's weird, exactly. It's it's mind blowing that this even happened. 935 00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:35.480 And there are some people that know about Amuamua. Most 936 00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:38.440 of your regular you know, average Joe person, if you 937 00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:40.880 ask them about it, wouldn't know that this took place. 938 00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:43.679 And this took place in twenty seventeen, and they talked 939 00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.360 about it. They brought it up to everyone that they could. 940 00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:50.079 Most people didn't care. It's mind blowing. 941 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:51.480 But now that we didn't have. 942 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.599 Any effect on Earth, that's probably why. 943 00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:55.400 Right exactly. 944 00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:57.800 But now that we have Atlas coming all of a sudden, 945 00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.679 everybody's wanting to pay attention to it alongside the UFO 946 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:02.280 disclosure that's happening right now. 947 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:05.599 Look, I don't know interesting time connected and yeah. 948 00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.599 I mean coincidentally timing to say the least. 949 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:11.559 But we also don't believe in coincidences, do we. 950 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:16.119 I certainly the fuck don't that. You know, there's a 951 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:20.519 crazy correlation between Donald Trump creating the space Force, now 952 00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:23.159 we have UFO disclosure, and oh, by the way, this 953 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:28.559 thing's coming really close to us in about two months. Yeah, yeah, 954 00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:29.440 it makes you wonder. 955 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:31.519 And that's the thing as far as like what I 956 00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:33.400 was talking about at the top of the show is that, 957 00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:36.440 you know, as far as sentience, like is this is 958 00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.400 Could it be that this is its own sentient object? 959 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:42.639 Could there be beings inside of it that that the 960 00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:44.840 ship itself is not sentient, but there could there be 961 00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:47.599 sentient life inside of it that it that they're steering 962 00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:50.920 or something like that. Could also just be a weird anomaly, 963 00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.000 the fucking weird rock that just decided to get kicked 964 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.519 out of its hometown and wanted to come fuck up ours. 965 00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:00.320 So let me ask you. We have a satellite that's 966 00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:03.599 out there. We send it out there, and it's drifting 967 00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.079 off into space. It's never going to return home, and 968 00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:08.679 it's taking a lot of pictures for us out there. Right, 969 00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:11.079 I've seen some of the most clearest images we have 970 00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:12.679 of Jupiter is from this craft. 971 00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:17.119 Right. Would you say that that object has sentience. 972 00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:21.920 It's being controlled by well, I don't know if it's 973 00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:24.639 being controlled, but it was created by sentient life. 974 00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:29.360 Yes, But would you think that that object has its 975 00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:33.159 own sentience? No, I wouldn't go that far. 976 00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:34.920 Agreed, agreed. 977 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.119 I don't believe that a camera being set up is 978 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:39.639 a sentience in and of itself. 979 00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:42.920 But that's actually just to stick on that for one 980 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.440 second though. That's actually the reason why if you ever 981 00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.360 get caught by one of those cameras that you're driving 982 00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:51.960 past and they give you a fucking ticket via camera, 983 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.880 that it's not allowed to count, like you can actually 984 00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:59.599 dispute that because it has to be somebody that caught you, 985 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.880 and a camera is not a somebody, it's a something. 986 00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.079 And so that's how you would dispute. 987 00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:06.400 That if you're ever to get like a you know, 988 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:08.480 one of those camera tickets or whatever. 989 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:10.119 Exactly one hundred percent. 990 00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:12.639 And so yes, while the camera might have been set 991 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.760 there and set in place by some sort of a 992 00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:20.280 sentient life form, the object itself is not sentience, right, 993 00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:22.480 And so like, we have that craft that's out there, 994 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.039 and let's say for some reason it starts to tumble, 995 00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:27.719 it starts to go kind of crazy. It's still going 996 00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.920 down a trajectory, it's still flying through space, but now 997 00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:33.039 it's not flying in this smooth little. 998 00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:34.199 Pattern by any means. 999 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.599 The cameras are still operating, all the things are still working. 1000 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:41.639 And if some being on another planet was to see that. 1001 00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:44.280 What would they make of that? Would they think that 1002 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:48.000 it's being piloted by something or someone or would they 1003 00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:50.000 think that that's just random space trash. 1004 00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:50.760 Who knows? 1005 00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:53.119 And I'm not saying that this is inherently what I 1006 00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:56.519 think Amuamua is, but it would stand to reason for 1007 00:51:56.599 --> 00:51:59.960 me personally that I don't think that this object was 1008 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.079 being piloted by anybody. Well, if it was being piloted, 1009 00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:06.079 let's think of it more like a drone pilot. 1010 00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:08.039 A drone is not sentience. 1011 00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:11.760 Would you say that, yes, I would agree, But the 1012 00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:14.519 pilot of the drone might be a centim being that's 1013 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:15.880 way way way away. 1014 00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:19.079 And well, and you just get a little weirder here 1015 00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:21.480 too if you think about it. What we're sending up 1016 00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.840 in the space, as far as you know, supposed allegedly, 1017 00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:27.880 we're sending up rockets and satellites, unless those are also 1018 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:29.519 ficking gay as well, I don't fucking know. 1019 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:31.360 I'm not up there. I can't take a look at them. 1020 00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:35.679 But let's just, you know, play around here and say 1021 00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:39.119 that the satellites and rockets are absolutely going into this 1022 00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:42.280 thing called space that we've you know, been told exists 1023 00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:46.239 since we were children, right, I would imagine that every 1024 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.920 time we send a satellite or a rocket or literally 1025 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:52.960 anything man made out into space, that it's sending a 1026 00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:56.119 red flag out to anybody that would be observing us, 1027 00:52:56.199 --> 00:53:01.280 because it is so dissimilar from anything natural that, you 1028 00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:03.400 know what I mean, It would be like, look at us. 1029 00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:05.719 It's almost like sending a fucking sos at that point, 1030 00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:09.280 whereas this object right here you don't know, you know 1031 00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:09.920 what I mean, Like. 1032 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:12.639 It could be a natural thing, could be an unnatural thing. 1033 00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.599 It looks natural, but the way that it's trajectory, it 1034 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:18.239 seems unnatural, and so it causes. 1035 00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:20.199 You to wonder a little bit. And so in that way, 1036 00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:23.360 if you were to go in quote unquote scout as 1037 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:25.760 it is called, if you were to go and scout 1038 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:29.039 another planet or another solar system, this could be an 1039 00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:32.639 undercover spy kind of technology, just by the way it looks. 1040 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:37.360 In general, That's kind of where I'm leaning personally. I 1041 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.440 don't think that it's a coincidence that throughout all of 1042 00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:44.519 our technology and we've had these telescopes and observatories and 1043 00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:47.719 all of these things set up for decades and then 1044 00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:52.599 twenty seventeen, this thing flies by, and now twenty twenty five, 1045 00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:57.159 eight years later, almost to the day, because it came 1046 00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:01.239 around in September and October of twenty seventeen. Now sometime 1047 00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:04.679 late October, we're gonna have Atlas fly by us. I 1048 00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.000 don't think that that's just a coincidence. I think that 1049 00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.360 this might have been, as they actually named it, the 1050 00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:13.519 scout for whatever is about to come next, right, and 1051 00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:16.239 this might be another scout very possibly, it very well 1052 00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:16.599 could be. 1053 00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:20.360 I mean, maybe they didn't get enough information off of 1054 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.199 their quick little roundabout trip around the Sun and through 1055 00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:26.599 our solar system. But it's like, man, you know, imagine 1056 00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:29.679 if imagine for a second that there was like an 1057 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:34.320 actual alien spacecraft out there, a mothership if you will, 1058 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:35.920 you wouldn't notice. 1059 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:36.719 It, you know what I'm saying. 1060 00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:39.159 You'd be like, oh, that is definitely not natural. If 1061 00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:44.320 you pulled it up into the satellite or a telescope 1062 00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:46.000 or something like that, you'd be like, wait a second, 1063 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:48.599 that ain't rock, you know what I'm saying. That's got metal, 1064 00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:51.000 there's weird symbolism on it. What the fuck are we 1065 00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:51.719 looking at now? 1066 00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.840 But is that just our human brains telling us that 1067 00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:57.599 it would be some sort of constructed object like that, 1068 00:54:58.320 --> 00:54:58.559 hear me. 1069 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:00.519 I don't know how they get down as far as 1070 00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:03.440 their technological advancement in other solar systems. 1071 00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:07.519 If they exist out there, I wouldn't know. Nobody would know, really, Right, 1072 00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:12.280 the Native American tribes used a hollowed out trunk of 1073 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:13.079 a tree. 1074 00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:14.280 And they made a canoe out of it. 1075 00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.360 And yes, it had it had been carved a little bit, 1076 00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:19.079 but you could still tell that. 1077 00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:20.119 That was the bulk of a tree. 1078 00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:23.760 At one point, cut to Cortes and his men came 1079 00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:27.320 with these giant sailed ships of all kinds of carved 1080 00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:32.119 wooden planks that they nailed together and with ropes and 1081 00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:35.800 all this other shit. Right, Is it that the Native 1082 00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:40.559 Americans didn't have a way to shape boards and these things, 1083 00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.320 or were they just trying to use the natural environment 1084 00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.320 in the easiest way they knew how. 1085 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:47.199 That's what I think might be going on here if 1086 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:48.920 we're talking about some kind of sentient life. 1087 00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:53.039 You played that out perfectly. We think of alien craft 1088 00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:55.760 as being like we've seen in the movies. Right, it's 1089 00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:59.239 gonna look titanium, and it's gonna have lights on it, 1090 00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.960 and there's gonna obviously be a weird fog on it 1091 00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:07.599 at all times because Independence Day type shit, clearly, right, 1092 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:11.599 But is that our own human understanding of things or 1093 00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:16.880 with the aliens extressols call it whatever moniker you want. 1094 00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:20.079 How do we know that that is the types of 1095 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.480 crafts that they would be flying? How do we know 1096 00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:27.199 that a craft to them that is intergalactic worthy, like 1097 00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.920 we would say see worthy for a boat galactically worthy? 1098 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:35.039 Why wouldn't they use something that's already built to traverse 1099 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:39.440 the galaxies i e. A meteor and asteroids, something that 1100 00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:41.159 looks and behaves like such. 1101 00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:42.079 I mean, I don't know. 1102 00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:45.320 You could argue that that is the smarter way to 1103 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:48.920 go about it, though, right, you know, like if you're 1104 00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.639 able to look at an asteroid or a comet kind 1105 00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:53.280 of thing, and you're able to say, all right, we 1106 00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:57.639 can observe every single mineral that's on this, every single 1107 00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:00.679 shielding system that this thing might have the waight, the 1108 00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:04.119 buoyancy of being out there in the liquid of space 1109 00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:06.320 or whatever, you know what I mean, And if you're 1110 00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:09.159 able to monitor and track all that data on a 1111 00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:13.920 certain object and use it to your advantage it being 1112 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:17.960 a natural thing, I mean, why expend money at that point? 1113 00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:22.039 You know, smarter or not harder? Bro, That's the way 1114 00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.000 I like to live. But there's another side of this too. 1115 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:30.199 How do we know that this isn't camouflage? How do 1116 00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:33.000 we know that this isn't a cloaking mechanism? Because if 1117 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:35.880 they're flying through space and they know that other living 1118 00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:39.719 creatures are out there in space, i e. Humans, we're 1119 00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:43.559 out here in space right the Earth is floating in space. 1120 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:46.800 That being said, would it not stand to reason that 1121 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:48.960 they might use a cloaking mechanism. 1122 00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:50.960 We like to think that they would beIN light. And 1123 00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:53.360 I'm not saying they are or are not. I don't 1124 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:54.440 know that for a fact. 1125 00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.639 But it also stands to reason, at least in my brain, 1126 00:57:57.960 --> 00:57:59.599 that if you're going to be flying through the galaxy 1127 00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:02.559 and you're going to be passing planets, that might act 1128 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:06.880 a little crazy to you just doing such. Maybe hide 1129 00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:10.440 your ship to look like something semi natural. The same 1130 00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:14.239 way that the Sentinel island right, that island that's completely 1131 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.440 uncontacted off the southern coast of India. 1132 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:17.079 Bro. 1133 00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:19.639 When they fly planes over that, the inhabitants come out 1134 00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:21.480 and try to throw spears and bows, and arrows and 1135 00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:24.039 shit at it. They think it's a screaming metal bird. 1136 00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:27.239 They don't know what an airplane is. So it would 1137 00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:30.199 make more sense that maybe we would camouflage that in 1138 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:32.639 some way, if we could cloak it. 1139 00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:34.679 And I liked how you said that by bending light 1140 00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:37.480 in that sense, it would make that if you think 1141 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.800 about it, like I would imagine that if you're going 1142 00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:42.599 to have some sort of cloaking device, you would do 1143 00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:45.400 it by bending light, reflecting light in some form or 1144 00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:46.400 fashion in that way. 1145 00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:49.880 But what's easier, like you said, what's more feasible? Is 1146 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:53.039 it a lot easier to learn how to bend light 1147 00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:56.559 to hide yourself or just build your shit to look 1148 00:58:56.599 --> 00:58:57.199 like a comet? 1149 00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:02.440 Yeah, I mean that it could be some kind of cloak. 1150 00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:05.000 Then we got fucking space wizards out there. I mean, 1151 00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:07.000 let's I mean, maybe. 1152 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:09.599 Let's say camouflage, right the same way that a sniper 1153 00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:13.320 wears a gilly suit. It's it's it's not that he's 1154 00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.360 not any more deadly with or without the suit. One 1155 00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:19.039 makes him blend into his environment to where he can 1156 00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:22.599 do his job without being spotted. You know, I'm thinking 1157 00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:25.760 that it might be something along those lines. It's all 1158 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:27.920 in the realm of hypothetical here, and that's that's what 1159 00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.440 I'm saying. Nothing is any more or less crazy than 1160 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:31.000 the other here. 1161 00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:34.000 But isn't that funny how in the realm of advanced 1162 00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:38.679 you know, sentience and also natural objects, that the smartest 1163 00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:41.920 thing you could do is just do what nature already does. 1164 00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:46.119 I think nature is pretty perfect, honestly. That's just me 1165 00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:48.920 myself right right. And that's the other thing. As far 1166 00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:52.000 as the interdimensional jumping in all these things, I'm again 1167 00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:55.159 not saying that that isn't happening, or that there's not 1168 00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:58.639 interdimensional life and interdimensional beings and all these things. What 1169 00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:03.039 I'm saying is a yuah Mua wasn't interdimensional. Otherwise they 1170 01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:05.159 just would have jumped through dimensions to get to where 1171 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:07.760 they were trying to see and moved on. They wouldn't 1172 01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:10.360 have flown from way outside the Solar system of b 1173 01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:11.280 line back out. 1174 01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:12.840 Same with Atlas. 1175 01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:15.239 I don't believe that this is a craft that is 1176 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:19.559 being used by interdimensional space beings. Otherwise they would have 1177 01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.400 used the inner dimensions to jump and get to where 1178 01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.760 they're going. They have to be operating in the third dimension, 1179 01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:28.039 otherwise they wouldn't do it to this level. 1180 01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:30.679 I mean, it depends on where it's coming from, though, 1181 01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:32.719 you know what I mean. Like, I'll give you an example. 1182 01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:36.960 I have literally, if I had a golf cart, I 1183 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:39.519 would and I have a gas station that's like half 1184 01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:42.199 a mile away, right, I could jump in my car 1185 01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:44.519 and I could be there in like literally a minute 1186 01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:45.920 and a half if I just want to run to 1187 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:48.000 the gas station, get me some snacks, maybe an energy 1188 01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:50.000 drink or something like that, and then roll back. But 1189 01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:52.800 if I wanted to be at my leisure, because time 1190 01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:54.960 is not really of the essence, this thing's not very 1191 01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.199 far away, let me hop in the golf cart and 1192 01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:59.360 go on a little cruise, you know what I'm saying. 1193 01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.840 Maybe I don't know, just throwing out hypotheticals here. Could 1194 01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:05.639 it be that they don't necessarily need to bend space 1195 01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:08.480 and time because where they're coming from isn't that far away. 1196 01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:12.679 That's also possible, I don't know, it's very possible. Or 1197 01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:16.840 maybe bending time and space would tear fabric or tear 1198 01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:18.599 the fabric of time and space, and they know that, 1199 01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:20.239 so they don't like to fuck with them unless they 1200 01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:23.079 absolutely have to. Like that's what I'm saying, it's all 1201 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:24.840 up in the air. Bro who's to say one way 1202 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:25.199 or a nothing. 1203 01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.320 Yeah, we don't know what kind of resources it takes 1204 01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:33.000 to fucking put a rip in the reality, you know, Like. 1205 01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:35.679 We want to assume, we want to assume that they 1206 01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:36.599 have that figured out. 1207 01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:37.400 We don't know that. 1208 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:39.960 We have no idea if they are that much more 1209 01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:41.960 advanced than we are. They have to be more advanced 1210 01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:43.760 to be able to travel through space as they are, 1211 01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:46.840 but maybe they haven't, like figured out time travel. Just 1212 01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:49.800 because they're more advanced, doesn't mean they're that much more 1213 01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:51.039 you see what I'm saying. 1214 01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:53.159 And I mean it could be possible that they're also 1215 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:56.599 dealing with somewhat of a limited resources. 1216 01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:58.159 Very possibly anyway. 1217 01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:00.119 All Right, So now that we're all kind of on 1218 01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:01.639 the same page with it, I want to hear the 1219 01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:03.800 rest of what doctor Meach has to say on it. 1220 01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:05.440 Then we're going to read a little article about it, 1221 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.039 and then we're going to jump to Atlas. 1222 01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:07.960 But let's keep going. 1223 01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:12.760 So let's get back to the energetics. What is it 1224 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:13.159 made of? 1225 01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:16.519 Well, ideally we would love to have a piece of 1226 01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:19.280 amoa moa into the laboratory so we could study it 1227 01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:23.960 in detail. But since even private industry can't manage to 1228 01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:27.079 launch a spacecraft within a week to something like this, 1229 01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:32.480 astronomers have to rely on remote observations. So astronomers will 1230 01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:35.239 look at how the light interacts with the surface. Some 1231 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:39.519 colors may get absorbed, giving it a chemical fingerprint, whereas 1232 01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:43.239 other colors may not. On the other hand, sub substances 1233 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:48.159 may just reflect more blue or red light efficiently. In 1234 01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:51.199 the case of omuha Moa, it reflected more red light, 1235 01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:55.320 making it look very much like the organic rich surface 1236 01:02:55.400 --> 01:03:00.480 of the comet recently visited by the Rosetta spacecraft. Everything 1237 01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:05.360 that looks reddish has the same composition. In fact, minerals 1238 01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.559 that have tiny little bits of iron in the surface 1239 01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:10.920 can also look red, as does the dark side of 1240 01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:14.159 Saturn's moon Iapetus shown in these images from the Cassini 1241 01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:18.599 spacecraft nickel iron meteorites. In other words, metal can also 1242 01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:22.519 look red. So while we don't know what's on the surface, 1243 01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:27.239 we know even less about what's on the inside. However, 1244 01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:29.360 we do know that it must at least be strong 1245 01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:32.639 enough to not fly apart as it rotates, so it 1246 01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:35.920 probably has a density similar to that of rocky asteroids, 1247 01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.440 perhaps even denser like metal. Well, at the very least, 1248 01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:41.239 I want to show you one of the beautiful color 1249 01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:44.320 images that we got from one of the ground based telescopes. 1250 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:49.480 All Right, I admit it's not all that spectacular. We 1251 01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:54.840 just don't have the resolution. Even Hubble Space Telescope doesn't 1252 01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:58.519 present a much better view. But the importance of the 1253 01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.079 Hubble data was not bec because of the images, but 1254 01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:04.159 because it extended our observations out to two and a 1255 01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:07.960 half months from the discovery, meaning we get more positions 1256 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:11.159 along the orbit, which will hopefully let us figure out 1257 01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:18.519 where Omuamua came from. So what exactly is omu ama 1258 01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:23.079 We firmly believe it's likely to be a leftover archaeological 1259 01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:27.159 remnant from the process of the birth of another planetary system, 1260 01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:29.199 some celestial driftwood. 1261 01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:31.960 Some scientists think that maybe. 1262 01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:35.360 Omuamua formed very close to a star that was much 1263 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:39.119 denser than our own, and the star's tidal forces shredded 1264 01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:43.639 planetary material early in the Solar System's history. Still, others 1265 01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:47.199 suggest that maybe this is something that formed during the 1266 01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:51.440 death throats of a star, perhaps during a supernova explosion, 1267 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:57.159 as planetary material got shredded. Whatever it is, we believe 1268 01:04:57.199 --> 01:05:01.800 it's a natural object, but we can't actually prove that 1269 01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:06.119 it's not something artificial. The color, the strange shape, the 1270 01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:10.719 tumbling motion could all have other explanations. Now, while we 1271 01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:14.760 don't believe this is alien technology, why not do the 1272 01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:19.599 obvious experiment and search for a radio signal real quick. 1273 01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:22.400 I do want to give props to her. 1274 01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:25.960 While she is a scientist and does not believe that 1275 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:30.199 this is alien tech, she also did give the disclaimer 1276 01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:33.599 that they cannot prove that it is not artificial, that 1277 01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:36.800 it is not alien tech. So I at least want 1278 01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:38.960 to give the props where they're due. Shouts out to 1279 01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:41.920 her for keeping that third eye at least a fraction 1280 01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:42.840 of the way open. 1281 01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:46.719 Also, what does she have to compare it to if 1282 01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:50.280 it was alien That's the thing we don't. 1283 01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:54.800 I understand why she's taking it on the analytical ride 1284 01:05:55.400 --> 01:06:01.360 instead of the hypothetical, you know, the fun hypothetical ride. 1285 01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:04.280 I completely understand for her perspective and what she does 1286 01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:06.440 for work. Of course, she's going to look at it 1287 01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:09.079 as some sort of a natural thing, because aliens that 1288 01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:11.920 would be crazy. But at least she is given the 1289 01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:14.960 disclaimer of like, look, we don't know that for a fact, 1290 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:18.800 but this is what we believe. Now they now about 1291 01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:22.519 the whole radio contact thing. I thought this was interesting. 1292 01:06:22.599 --> 01:06:23.159 Listen here. 1293 01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:27.880 That's exactly what the Breakthrough Listen Project did. But so 1294 01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:30.960 far Omua Moore has remained completely. 1295 01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:35.719 Quiet the Breakthrough project, the Breakthrough Listen Project. We're gonna 1296 01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:37.239 put a pin in that one. We're going to talk 1297 01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:42.280 about it after she wraps up. But it remained quiet 1298 01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:47.599 as per our human radio systems. Like you see what 1299 01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:50.360 I'm saying, How do you if somebody was to right 1300 01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:53.480 now send you, Jonathan a Morse code method or a 1301 01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:58.440 message rather excuse me, would you know what they're saying? 1302 01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:02.760 I mean, I mean no, But I I'm also somebody 1303 01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:06.440 that believes that aliens speak through telepathy, so that wouldn't 1304 01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:09.519 cause any sound anyway. Well, let's say that this was 1305 01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:12.639 a drone, right, and this wasn't being piloted by somebody 1306 01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:14.880 it was. It's a craft that was sent out to 1307 01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:17.760 do some research, some intel, if you will. It's going 1308 01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:20.800 to be talking back and forth to whatever or whoever 1309 01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:24.280 sent it. But just because we don't have. 1310 01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:26.840 The capabilities to pick up on the signal, that it's 1311 01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:29.239 sending doesn't mean that it's not sending a signal. 1312 01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:31.679 I mean, it could be just to get real weird, 1313 01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:34.840 it could be some kind of oh what is that 1314 01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:35.559 shit called? 1315 01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:36.440 I can never remember? 1316 01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:40.920 The term remote viewing could be like if you think 1317 01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:43.440 about it, I mean, if you are somebody that looks 1318 01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:46.360 into remote viewing and you studied you know what they 1319 01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:50.840 say allegedly happened back in the seventies and eighties and onward, 1320 01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:55.039 then remote viewing goes It's like, and it's weird how 1321 01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:57.239 that works, because it's not even like a learned thing. 1322 01:07:57.360 --> 01:07:59.559 Some people are just better at it than others. I 1323 01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:00.360 don't know why. 1324 01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:06.440 And could they be peering in via the mind and 1325 01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:07.760 that's how they're keeping up with it. 1326 01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:08.320 I don't know. 1327 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.239 So I just want to throw out all possibilities here, 1328 01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:14.480 just as far as I don't know if these people 1329 01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.479 are spiritually advanced. I wouldn't even necessarily say that remote 1330 01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:20.439 viewing is a spiritual thing. I think it's just a thing, 1331 01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:24.119 and maybe you access it through what some people might 1332 01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:27.279 call spirituality. I don't know, but I don't think that's 1333 01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:29.359 necessarily what it is. I think it's just a term 1334 01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:31.680 that seems woo woo wie. 1335 01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:35.039 So I'm not going to discredit that. I don't know 1336 01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:38.000 if that's how they're viewing what this craft was seeing. 1337 01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:41.640 It's possible. I suppose I was taking it more to 1338 01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:44.960 let's say that our radios and our cars they're only 1339 01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:48.800 for FM or AM, right, and maybe if you have 1340 01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:53.520 serious you have XIM. But our military is operating off 1341 01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:56.760 of OEM. Have you ever ever even heard of that? 1342 01:08:57.640 --> 01:08:57.880 Uh? 1343 01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:01.279 Yeah, I think so. Poin is though, if you didn't 1344 01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:03.279 have a radio that was able to pick that up, 1345 01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:07.600 you wouldn't know that this group is talking to this 1346 01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:09.439 group in any way, shape or form, just because you 1347 01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:11.319 don't have the radio that's tuned to pick it up. 1348 01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:13.319 It's like HAM radios. 1349 01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:17.439 Well, OEM is a little bit different, but okay, same thing. 1350 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:19.840 I'm saying, Like, you're not gonna be able to turn 1351 01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:22.720 on AM or FM to be able to listen in 1352 01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.079 on a Ham radio conversation exactly. 1353 01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:29.359 So the fact that the Breakthrough Listen group try to 1354 01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:33.199 listen into what this craft was saying or communicating or 1355 01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:36.399 whatever and they'd got nothing, that doesn't mean that there 1356 01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:40.199 was no correspondence between it and whatever scented. It just 1357 01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:45.039 means that they maybe didn't have their frequencies tuned to 1358 01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:48.399 the right setting, if you will. Isn't that so strange? 1359 01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:50.640 Not to get off topic here, but isn't that so 1360 01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:53.840 strange that there's all these different radio waves and frequencies 1361 01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:55.960 that are always around us at all times, yet we 1362 01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:59.720 don't They seemingly don't affect us unless you get into 1363 01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:02.239 the whole five G conversation. I get it in the 1364 01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:05.439 coming six G conversation. I get that, But I'm saying, 1365 01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:08.960 but for the most part, you don't sense a radio 1366 01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:12.279 fucking frequency around you. You know, you don't sense Wi 1367 01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:14.760 Fi or five G or three G or four G 1368 01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:19.560 or AM or FM or or fucking handheld walkie talkie, 1369 01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:21.279 you know, waves there anything like that. 1370 01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:23.640 All of it is always going on all. 1371 01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:26.800 Around us at all times, and there's no sense like, 1372 01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:31.079 there's nothing, there's no kind of thing that we can 1373 01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:32.920 put on our face to be able to view them 1374 01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:35.239 in the ether or whatever. Isn't that strang right? 1375 01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:38.119 I fully agree with you on this, and I think 1376 01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:40.039 it's wild right, and I. 1377 01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:45.039 Would I wish that we had the forethought to start 1378 01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:49.960 taking like samples of the human genome before radios were 1379 01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:53.479 invented and take a sample of us now to see. 1380 01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:57.359 And I understand, like nutritionally, we know more about what 1381 01:10:57.560 --> 01:10:59.319 is and is not good for our diet than they 1382 01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:01.439 did one hundred five years ago. Like I get that, 1383 01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:05.399 But I am curious if and I've had this theory 1384 01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:08.000 for forever and I'm not saying that radio waves are 1385 01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:13.039 causing cancer. I'm not saying that inherently, but I'm wondering 1386 01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:18.079 if we suffer from long term effects of being bombarded 1387 01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:22.159 with radio waves every single day that our forefathers two 1388 01:11:22.279 --> 01:11:24.920 hundred years ago never had to deal with. Yeah, they 1389 01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:26.640 had their own shit they were dealing with at the time, 1390 01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:30.159 But I'm I've always been curious about that. Is there 1391 01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.920 really a zero percent effect on our bodies being hit 1392 01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:37.199 from radio waves every single hour of every single day. 1393 01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:39.039 I mean, does it and does it have to happen? 1394 01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:41.359 Like does it have to inflict upon our health or 1395 01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:44.439 could it mess with us in other ways? Like for example, right, 1396 01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:48.239 like the fucking stars they're they're emitting a frequency, the 1397 01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:51.239 sun is emitting a frequency, the moon is emitting a frequency. 1398 01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:54.079 All that shit is shining down on to us, right, 1399 01:11:54.279 --> 01:11:56.920 I mean the moon, the moon obviously is a big one, 1400 01:11:56.920 --> 01:11:59.520 because it affects the waves, as they say, you know 1401 01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:02.880 what effect the tides, and it affects like women a 1402 01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:05.760 little bit too. And and also like think, what do 1403 01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:09.800 they call the lunatics? Right, Like there's a full moon 1404 01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:12.560 a lot of times you'll see like lunatics going crazy. 1405 01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:14.359 I know this last full moon that we just had 1406 01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:16.119 a couple of days ago. I'm not gonna lie, bro, 1407 01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:18.880 my shit was fucked. So I don't know if that's 1408 01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:20.880 a moon thing or if that's just a me thing. 1409 01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:23.359 Maybe it's a little mixture of both. Maybe it's just 1410 01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:25.399 an amplifier of what you already are going through. I 1411 01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:29.239 don't know, but it's just interesting how there's all these 1412 01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:32.800 different frequencies always happening all around us. It makes you wonder, 1413 01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:35.960 you know, how would we naturally live if we were 1414 01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:39.800 not being inflicted by any frequencies at all, Like not 1415 01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:42.760 even just the AMFM, but the star frequencies and all 1416 01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:43.199 that shit. 1417 01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:45.000 Well that's the thing, though. 1418 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:49.119 The star frequencies are natural, right, Humanity has always been 1419 01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:52.479 hit with those types of frequencies. And I'm not saying 1420 01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:54.760 that's inherently good or bad. If anything, I would say 1421 01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:59.359 that evolutionally, we have acclimatized ourselves to not be affected 1422 01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:02.800 by them so negatively if nothing else right, or at 1423 01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:04.479 least that would stand. 1424 01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:05.520 A reason in my own mind. 1425 01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:10.000 But that being said, we weren't built to have and 1426 01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:13.039 by we I mean just human beings. We weren't built 1427 01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:16.000 to have FM and AM radio waves hitting us at 1428 01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:19.560 all times. We weren't built to have satellites pinging our 1429 01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:23.920 locations constantly. We weren't built to have a little black 1430 01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:28.239 glass box in our pocket that's consistently giving off a 1431 01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:29.319 radiation signal. 1432 01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:30.279 Like you see what I'm saying. 1433 01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:33.319 We were built for the astral stuff. We were built 1434 01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:36.479 for the fucking human resonance and all that kind of shit, 1435 01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:39.199 Like that's the more natural kind of stuff. Yeah right, 1436 01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:42.399 But I also, like just staying on that for a second, though, 1437 01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:45.520 if you think about all those different frequency bands and 1438 01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:47.560 waves and all that shit, and then you send out 1439 01:13:47.600 --> 01:13:51.079 a certain tone via the highway of that frequency wave, 1440 01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:55.840 that is unnatural, you know, like almost like think about that, 1441 01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:58.840 just even the conversation of four thirty two to four forty, 1442 01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:02.960 you know, like could that be inflicting upon our natural state? 1443 01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:06.039 I would almost say I can guarantee that it would. 1444 01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:10.319 I believe it does, right, one hundred percent. I don't 1445 01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:14.199 know what the quantifiable evidence would show on that, but 1446 01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:16.920 I am personally of the belief that you're correct right 1447 01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:20.039 that these radio waves, they may not be affecting us 1448 01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:23.359 in a negative way. It may not at all, but 1449 01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:28.199 at a molecular level, would I would surmise that humans 1450 01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:30.760 are affected by them at least in some way, shape 1451 01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:31.199 or form. 1452 01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:33.039 It just that makes sense to me. 1453 01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:37.079 So to circle all this back to the Amuamua conversation, 1454 01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:41.960 the Breakthrough Listen project tried to listen in to what 1455 01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:44.439 was being omitted by this object. 1456 01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:45.960 They said that it was silent. 1457 01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:49.760 But again, does that mean that it was in fact 1458 01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:53.439 silent or is it that our human capabilities couldn't pick 1459 01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:54.960 up on the signal that it was sending. 1460 01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:59.359 That's all I'm saying a little bit of both. Possibly. 1461 01:14:59.600 --> 01:14:59.800 Yeah. 1462 01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:01.560 Hi, let's arter finish up here. 1463 01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:06.520 Now, could we send a spacecraft to omuaman answer this 1464 01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:09.760 question once and for all. Yes, we do actually have 1465 01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:12.800 the technology, but it would be a long and expensive voyage, 1466 01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:15.319 and we would get there so far from the Sun 1467 01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:20.119 that the final approach trajectory would be very difficult. So 1468 01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:23.800 I think o'moa Moa probably has many more things to 1469 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:26.960 teach us, and in fact, there might be more surprises 1470 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:30.640 in stores. Scientists such as myself continue to work with 1471 01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:35.119 the data. More importantly, I think this visitor from Afar 1472 01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:39.199 has really brought home the point that our solar system 1473 01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:43.560 isn't isolated. We're part of a much larger environment, and 1474 01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:47.800 in fact, we may even be surrounded by interstellar visitors 1475 01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:53.239 and not even know it. This unexpected gift has perhaps 1476 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:58.359 raised more questions than it's provided answers. But we were 1477 01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:01.680 the first to say hello to a visitor from another 1478 01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:03.840 solar system. 1479 01:16:03.880 --> 01:16:08.319 Indeed, indeed, again shouts out to doctor Karen Meach, how 1480 01:16:08.319 --> 01:16:09.840 does she know that we were the first ones to 1481 01:16:09.880 --> 01:16:10.520 tell it hello. 1482 01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:13.760 Well, by we, she means her and her team. That's 1483 01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:14.840 that was what that was. 1484 01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:18.399 But anyway, all right, so this article is from planet 1485 01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:21.439 planet dot net. So this is going to break down 1486 01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:25.600 a muamu, a natural or artificial, And again they are 1487 01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:29.960 going to throw some shade towards certain conspiratorial minded people. 1488 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:34.920 But again there's no answers and only questions when it 1489 01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:38.640 comes to this object. So it's like, from what platform 1490 01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:42.159 do they have the authority to say that any theory 1491 01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:42.800 is crazy. 1492 01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:44.760 Yeah, I have a problem with that. It's like you 1493 01:16:44.760 --> 01:16:47.800 don't even know, Like you and your people can't agree 1494 01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:49.960 on what the fuck it is. How can you throw 1495 01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:55.000 shade on people that are speculating on the outside. You know, 1496 01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:58.359 it's like, people, we have the right to speculate, We 1497 01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:01.359 have the right to dream and suppose and do all 1498 01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:03.520 these things, right, Like, I don't know why anybody would 1499 01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:04.159 have an issue with. 1500 01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:08.560 That, because basically, anybody that can come up with a 1501 01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:12.479 theory outside of the scientific one scientists take as an 1502 01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:13.800 insult to their study. 1503 01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:15.479 Aw And it's. 1504 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:18.159 Like, dude, Okay, I I could understand at least a 1505 01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:20.840 little bit of what you're saying. But also, if you 1506 01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:24.000 don't have any answers at this point, you're throwing shit 1507 01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:26.800 at the wall to see what sticks, the same thing 1508 01:17:26.840 --> 01:17:27.600 that we are doing. 1509 01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:30.239 So look, they told us to stand six feet apart, 1510 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:34.119 to take an experimental drug and wear a fucking face mask. 1511 01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:37.880 They look real retarded. Now, I mean there's still people 1512 01:17:37.880 --> 01:17:41.600 that do that because, yeah, because trust the science. 1513 01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:43.760 And that's the thing is that you can't just go 1514 01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:46.960 about blindly having faith in fucking anything or any one, 1515 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:48.600 especially scientifically. 1516 01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:53.279 Absolutely, so let's read in here all right. 1517 01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:56.880 For decades, scientists anticipated the discovery of objects from other 1518 01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.560 stars passing through the Solar System. One of us remembers, 1519 01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:02.479 they're grad school advisor Tom Quinn at the University of 1520 01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:04.479 Washington talking about this in the early two thousands, at 1521 01:18:04.520 --> 01:18:06.960 which time the subject had already had a long history. 1522 01:18:07.159 --> 01:18:10.439 It was not a mainstream subject subject of study because 1523 01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:13.600 no such interstellar objects had yet been found. It was 1524 01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:16.479 already well known to cosmic rays and some dust particles 1525 01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:20.079 were interstellar, and we've had physical samples of those for decades. 1526 01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:22.960 It had also been proposed that some comets in the 1527 01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:27.479 Ort Cloud oo RT, which is a vast reservoir of 1528 01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:30.399 comets swarming around the Sun thousands of times the Earth 1529 01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:34.000 Sun distance, had been captured from sibling stars in the Earth, 1530 01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:37.600 in the Sun's birthplace. What was missing was a clear 1531 01:18:37.640 --> 01:18:42.239 sign of a macroscopic object coming from outside our Sun's 1532 01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:45.720 sphere of influence. We call these interstellar objects. 1533 01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:48.720 Real quick, the Ort cloud or Ort Khoier the fuck 1534 01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:50.760 that was the cloud I was trying to think of earlier. 1535 01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:53.079 When you asked where did these come from? I couldn't 1536 01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:55.039 remember that you also said some of the K was 1537 01:18:55.079 --> 01:19:01.880 the not Kepling K Kepler. Yeah, they also come from 1538 01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:04.000 this area as well, but that I was just making 1539 01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:04.479 the distinction. 1540 01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:06.239 That orkcloud was what I was referring to. 1541 01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:09.119 But any okay, I definitely would not have guessed that one. 1542 01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:12.119 I didn't guess the Kepler one either. I looked it 1543 01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:13.960 up because we have computers in front of us, so 1544 01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:17.720 on we do so anyhow. On October eighteen, twenty seventeen, 1545 01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:21.680 the first confirmed interstellar streak was detected in an image 1546 01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:24.960 taken with the PAN Star's two telescope in Hawaii. The 1547 01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:27.199 object looked like a streak rather than a point of 1548 01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:29.600 light because it was moving so fast across the sky. 1549 01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:32.760 The timeline of what happened next is fascinating and documented 1550 01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:34.720 in Karen Meech's TED talk, which we just heard a 1551 01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:38.640 little portion of The object was named a Muamua, meaning 1552 01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:42.439 advanced scout in Hawaiian. A muamua was the subject of 1553 01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:47.159 intense astronomical observation, but its brightness faded so quickly that 1554 01:19:47.199 --> 01:19:49.960 within two weeks of its discovery it was lost to 1555 01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:54.880 all but the largest ground based telescopes. The shortness of 1556 01:19:55.119 --> 01:19:59.600 that observing window and the associated uncertainty in its physical properties, 1557 01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:02.800 where the drivers of the controversy that followed. The immediate 1558 01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:06.479 impression was that a Muamua looked sort of like an 1559 01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:09.119 asteroid or a comet. It was too far away for 1560 01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:12.720 us to resolve any surface details, but from its brightness 1561 01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:15.479 at different wavelengths that appeared similar to those of water 1562 01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:19.199 rich asteroids or dormant comets. Unlike comets, though, it did 1563 01:20:19.239 --> 01:20:23.520 not show any evidence of outgassing or cometary activity. Normally, 1564 01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:27.000 when comets get warm, their ices evaporate and we see 1565 01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:31.520 them form a coma and see evidence of that gas escaping. 1566 01:20:32.840 --> 01:20:37.119 Oh. Interesting, that's what a coma in space means. So basically, 1567 01:20:37.159 --> 01:20:40.399 whenever you see an asteroid and you see it streaking 1568 01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:42.720 like a star with a tail, right, that image that 1569 01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:46.560 we all have that is from the ice gassing out, 1570 01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:50.600 and it's kind of like it's like a kim trail behind. 1571 01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:51.399 It jet right. 1572 01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:54.439 Oh, it's just steam and we know it's not, but 1573 01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:56.800 that is basically like the steam. 1574 01:20:56.520 --> 01:21:00.520 Trail, for lack of better words, behind a comet. Muhama 1575 01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:03.279 had no coma or comma. I've heard it called both, 1576 01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:06.119 but yes, it had nothing to do with that. And 1577 01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:10.439 Atlas also has none, so it's very separate and different 1578 01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:13.920 from a comet or meteor or asteroid, unlike anything we've 1579 01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:14.720 seen thus far. 1580 01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:18.079 Comments recoil from this escaping gas, which acts like a 1581 01:21:18.199 --> 01:21:22.680 rocket's thrust to alter their orbital trajectory. Astronomers quickly scrambled 1582 01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:26.960 to put Amuamua in context. Analysis of its brightness variations 1583 01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:30.640 revealed two surprising facts. First, based on its changing brightness, 1584 01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:33.399 it became clear that Amua Moa spun every eight hours 1585 01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:37.479 or so, but not but in a not quite repeating pattern. 1586 01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:42.079 Surfaces feature or surface features rotating into and out of 1587 01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:44.800 view often let us get a rotation period for an 1588 01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:47.960 asteroid or commet, but in this case the period was irregular. 1589 01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:53.960 This is an indicator of tumbling rotation, a perturbed but 1590 01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:57.720 not uncommon spin state for small bodies in the Solar System. 1591 01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:00.920 The second surprise was that at some points and it's tumbling, 1592 01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:04.000 it was almost ten times fainter than usual. This is 1593 01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:07.760 too much to explain with surface features, which meant its 1594 01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:11.159 shape could not be anything like spherical. There are currently 1595 01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:14.800 two possibilities that seem most likely a pancake shape with 1596 01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:18.800 axis ratios of roughly six to six to one, or 1597 01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:22.039 a cigar shape with axis ratios of eight to one 1598 01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:24.880 to one. The pancake shape is more likely because there 1599 01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:28.159 is a higher chance of seeing it of seeing it 1600 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:31.800 edge on compared with seeing a cigar shaped tip on, 1601 01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:35.000 and a muamua does not get very dim that often. 1602 01:22:35.359 --> 01:22:38.600 This realization came just too late for the popular image 1603 01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:41.399 of amuamua as a long needle like object captured the 1604 01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:42.920 public's imagination initially. 1605 01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:46.960 That's the guy right there, this cigar shape. That is 1606 01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:49.560 the image that most people. If you type in a muamua, 1607 01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:52.439 this is typically the image that you're going to see 1608 01:22:52.479 --> 01:22:58.000 pop up. Even though this is more likely the shape, 1609 01:22:58.000 --> 01:22:59.880 and most experts would believe that this. 1610 01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:03.439 Is the shape that it actually was. But I digress. 1611 01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:06.359 All the flat earthers out there are saying, of course 1612 01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:08.279 it's pancake shaped. 1613 01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:12.279 The flat earthers would not believe in any of this anyway, 1614 01:23:12.279 --> 01:23:14.680 because space isn't real to them. But like I said, 1615 01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:17.479 for this conversation, we've got to at least take it 1616 01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:19.680 on that kind of anyway. 1617 01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:23.239 Within a few months, a dozen of Within a few months, 1618 01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:26.439 a dozen explanations have been proposed for a muama's origins. 1619 01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:29.800 These range from relatively mundanes, such as an asteroid or 1620 01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:33.000 extinct common ejected from its home planetary system, to more 1621 01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:36.520 novel explanations such as a leftover of an earlier generation 1622 01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:39.399 of planets that was partially melted in the atmosphere of 1623 01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:42.439 a dying massive star. Despite the debate, all models in 1624 01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:45.640 the published literature remained within the realm of natural objects. 1625 01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:50.279 The thorn in the side of conventional origins models came 1626 01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:53.479 from measurements of the orbit of a Muama as it 1627 01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:56.640 whizzed away from Earth, the Hubble Space Telescope and the 1628 01:23:56.760 --> 01:23:58.520 very large telescopes in Chile. 1629 01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:02.239 That's just what it's called, the very large telescopes. Yeah, 1630 01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:04.600 I mean they used the Chilean term for it, but 1631 01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:08.560 direct translation, it's that. But yeah, So the one in Chile, 1632 01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:12.039 along with the Hubble, measured its position up to two 1633 01:24:12.199 --> 01:24:15.760 full months after its discovery, allowing for a precise estimate 1634 01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:20.199 of its orbital trajectory. Analogis showed that Amoamua's path as 1635 01:24:20.239 --> 01:24:24.399 it left our view as a few ten of tens 1636 01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:28.359 of thousands of kilometers off a off of a purely 1637 01:24:28.399 --> 01:24:31.800 gravitational trajectory, an additional force had pushed it away from 1638 01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:35.640 the Sun and slightly off of gravity's course. So okay, 1639 01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:41.720 So an additional force had pushed it away from the Sun, 1640 01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:44.840 and nobody has any explanation as to what that was. 1641 01:24:45.279 --> 01:24:47.000 There is a theory that has been proposed, and I 1642 01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:50.840 think this article gets into it. And literally, remember how 1643 01:24:51.079 --> 01:24:54.199 just earlier in this article they said that with comets, 1644 01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:57.479 the water that goes into its gaseous state kind of 1645 01:24:57.520 --> 01:25:01.239 acts like a propulsion in certain cases for comets and asteroids, right, 1646 01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:04.600 and it gives it that coma or comma how he 1647 01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:09.319 pronounce it. And this craft had none of that. So 1648 01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:12.199 keep that in mind whenever we talk about the hypotheticals 1649 01:25:12.199 --> 01:25:14.399 as its propulsion goes. But let's contend. 1650 01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:17.560 Interesting that there was additional force only around the Sun though, 1651 01:25:17.680 --> 01:25:20.920 or at least what they were, you know, viewing there. 1652 01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:24.880 Because dude, I'm telling you, we're gonna have to you 1653 01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:26.600 know what, I'm going to reach back out to Crow 1654 01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:30.279 Triple seven because the shit that he has been viewing 1655 01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:32.439 with his telescope member he was shooting the he was 1656 01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:36.079 shooting the moon initially, and we watched the documentary that 1657 01:25:36.119 --> 01:25:39.640 he had talked about, and well, the documentary that he 1658 01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:40.399 created dude. 1659 01:25:40.439 --> 01:25:42.000 It ended up getting a shitload. 1660 01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:43.960 Of awards like all over the world for that because 1661 01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:46.640 not many people have been able to capture that lunar 1662 01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:48.359 wave and those little things that were coming out of 1663 01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:50.880 the Moon and stuff. Well, now he shifted his sights 1664 01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:55.119 onto the Sun and he believes that he has captured 1665 01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:59.119 what he believes is the second Sun. That it could 1666 01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:01.800 be something that you know, the Sun that we see 1667 01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:04.560 is just in front of the second Sun always in 1668 01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:07.800 a sense, almost like a yin Yang kind of situation, 1669 01:26:08.199 --> 01:26:11.279 you know what I mean, Like not necessarily a yin 1670 01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:13.840 Yang kind of situation, but almost a second Son that 1671 01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:15.000 is like a black sun. 1672 01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:19.880 If we're going around the Sun every single year, does 1673 01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:22.159 it move behind the Sun as we are? So it's 1674 01:26:22.239 --> 01:26:24.520 like opposite of a I would love to give him 1675 01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:26.680 on the show, like how we always only see one 1676 01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:31.239 surface of the moon. It's almost locked into a gravitational 1677 01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:33.199 force of the Sun that we see, so that we 1678 01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:35.119 never really see it. It's always hiding behind. 1679 01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:38.159 Then sometimes you're able to get glimpses of it from 1680 01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:42.079 what he says. So as far as this this extra 1681 01:26:42.439 --> 01:26:45.199 little force that they're talking about as it's going around 1682 01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:47.520 the Sun, I wonder if the second Sun would have 1683 01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:51.000 that that I don't know that thing to it. 1684 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:53.039 I would love to get Kroll in the show to 1685 01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:53.680 talk about him. 1686 01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:53.800 Man. 1687 01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:56.119 It's basically he's saying that the Sun is spinning as well, 1688 01:26:58.279 --> 01:27:01.600 because like a second son's behind it, and like that's 1689 01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:04.159 the Earth and it's it's moving to where we can 1690 01:27:04.199 --> 01:27:06.279 never see it because the Earth is only seeing one's 1691 01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:09.319 face of the Sun as we're going around it. Now, 1692 01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:11.920 would mean that the Sun is spinning as well. I 1693 01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:13.319 would love to get him, want to talk about it? 1694 01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:14.560 Sounds interesting, Yeah. 1695 01:27:14.319 --> 01:27:17.079 I mean, I don't know, it's it's very fascinating. That's 1696 01:27:17.079 --> 01:27:18.720 one of the few I don't listen to a lot 1697 01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:22.560 of other conspiracy podcasts anymore because I in my mind 1698 01:27:22.600 --> 01:27:25.640 it's almost like why why a comedian doesn't listen to 1699 01:27:25.640 --> 01:27:27.479 other comedians because they don't want to take on that 1700 01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:30.279 mentality or whatever. It's not necessarily that I don't like them, 1701 01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:33.359 It's just that I don't want to listen to somebody 1702 01:27:33.439 --> 01:27:35.840 talk and then you know, almost play it as if 1703 01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:38.319 it's my own opinion, like because I forget kind of thing. 1704 01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:41.800 But Crow is one of them that I still listen 1705 01:27:41.880 --> 01:27:46.039 to along with Rogueways with Lindsay and that's well also 1706 01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:50.319 Forbidden Knowledge News. But anyway, yeah, those I would love 1707 01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:53.680 to get crows still listen to old Billy Billy Carson. 1708 01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:56.279 Yeah, I never really did. 1709 01:27:56.760 --> 01:27:59.600 Oh Forbidden Knowledge No, No. 1710 01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:02.439 I'm talking yeah, Forbidden Knowledge News with Chris Matthew. 1711 01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:06.000 Ah yes, yes, yes, okay, okay, okay, yeah, I'm not. 1712 01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:08.800 I never really was like a humongous fan like a 1713 01:28:08.840 --> 01:28:10.560 lot of other people are with Billy Carson. I just 1714 01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:12.199 thought that some of the shit that he talked about 1715 01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:12.760 was interesting. 1716 01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:15.399 I see he's still putting out videos though he is 1717 01:28:15.439 --> 01:28:17.960 still trying to claw his way back out of the 1718 01:28:17.960 --> 01:28:20.359 Holy Dug for himself. It's slow going, but I mean 1719 01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:22.560 he has to know that's his that's his livelihood. 1720 01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:25.039 Yeah, yeah, I guess. 1721 01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:29.119 But anyhow, you're not his biggest fan. That's okay. 1722 01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:32.520 I'm not even saying that, I absolutely am. I'm just 1723 01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:34.359 saying I understand. 1724 01:28:33.880 --> 01:28:37.239 The hustle, you know, yeah, yeah, no, no, And I get it. 1725 01:28:37.319 --> 01:28:39.319 Whenever you go up and you debate somebody and you're 1726 01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:42.239 proven wrong and people like to, you know, cancel you 1727 01:28:42.319 --> 01:28:44.279 or whatever. I don't think that that's right either, Like 1728 01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:46.840 just because he got a couple of things wrong. Doesn't 1729 01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:48.880 necessarily mean that everything that he says is wrong. 1730 01:28:50.079 --> 01:28:52.840 No, No, not necessarily. 1731 01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:54.279 I would agree with that. 1732 01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:57.720 It does make me question the validity of everything he said, 1733 01:28:57.720 --> 01:29:01.840 But it wasn't that getting losing a debate. That happens, right, 1734 01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:06.159 That that comes with the territory filing cease and assist 1735 01:29:06.239 --> 01:29:09.399 letters and then going to your homeboy's house at two 1736 01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:12.439 in the morning to try to smack him with a 1737 01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:16.399 with a what's it called a smack lawsuit? Yeah, I 1738 01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:18.479 thought he took that a little too far for sure. 1739 01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:22.479 Anyway, Moving off of the Carson conversation back to a. 1740 01:29:23.199 --> 01:29:25.279 Yeah, So, the idea that a muam moa might be 1741 01:29:25.359 --> 01:29:27.840 an artificial object and not a natural body like a 1742 01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:30.479 common or an asteroid came up independently in the minds 1743 01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:33.920 of many scientists almost immediately after it was discovered. Indeed, 1744 01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:36.399 many scientists and members of the lay public had been 1745 01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:37.399 primed that's. 1746 01:29:37.279 --> 01:29:37.640 What we are. 1747 01:29:37.720 --> 01:29:40.840 We're members of the lay public, which, you know, it 1748 01:29:40.920 --> 01:29:44.279 sounds like a degrading term, but that's probably what we 1749 01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:44.960 would be called. 1750 01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:47.840 The uh shit I lost? 1751 01:29:47.960 --> 01:29:51.399 Okay, had been primed for a prospect for such a 1752 01:29:51.399 --> 01:29:55.560 big thing by or for prospect for such a thing 1753 01:29:55.600 --> 01:29:58.439 by the nineteen seventy three book Rendezvous with Rama by 1754 01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:01.600 Arthur C. Clark, the opening chapter of which tracks some 1755 01:30:01.640 --> 01:30:04.880 of the events of the actual discovery of Amuamua in 1756 01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:09.279 the eerie uh pre prescience Presence Prescience. 1757 01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:12.960 In that book, a long cylindrical object enters the Solar 1758 01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:16.079 system of an orbit that carries it close to the Sun, 1759 01:30:16.159 --> 01:30:20.239 then out again, which upon it's discovered, uh, which upon 1760 01:30:20.359 --> 01:30:24.000 which it is discovered by comet hunters and is eventually 1761 01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:28.880 determined to be an alien spacecraft. What a coincidence? But 1762 01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:31.000 do we do do we? Or do we not believe 1763 01:30:31.039 --> 01:30:32.399 in such coincidences? 1764 01:30:32.399 --> 01:30:32.600 Here? 1765 01:30:32.600 --> 01:30:35.840 Bro I mean, he might have Babe Ruth that fucking thing. 1766 01:30:36.119 --> 01:30:36.640 And that's the thing. 1767 01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:38.880 As far as like authors go, they say, I don't 1768 01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:41.319 know where it comes from, you know what I mean? Like, uh, 1769 01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:44.560 what's what's the famous Michael Jackson quote? Like the reason 1770 01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:48.239 why he had to like people would always ask him, like, Michael, 1771 01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:50.800 why are you fucking writing lyrics for a new song 1772 01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:53.039 after you just got done with a concert. You're writing 1773 01:30:53.039 --> 01:30:54.920 this shit at three in the morning. He goes, Well, 1774 01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:57.359 if I don't write it down, then Prince Will. He 1775 01:30:57.479 --> 01:30:59.840 believed that that information just existed out there in that 1776 01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:02.800 it was somebody to grab. And so as far as 1777 01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:05.920 people writing books, especially somebody like Arthur C. Clark, of which 1778 01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:08.560 I have plenty of his books, I mean, yes, fiction 1779 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:12.319 for sure, but fascinating. Nonetheless, could he have been pulling 1780 01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:13.520 that information from the ether? 1781 01:31:13.720 --> 01:31:14.159 I don't know. 1782 01:31:14.319 --> 01:31:15.319 That's up for speculation. 1783 01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:17.119 It's interesting, shit man. 1784 01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:22.520 In real life conversations among astronomers on Twitter, gleefully suggested 1785 01:31:22.680 --> 01:31:26.319 that the name RAMA for our new visitor, and planetary 1786 01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:30.199 Sciences checked their data for any signs of unusual color 1787 01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:33.720 or spectral features that might indicate artifice alas the real 1788 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:36.880 object did not conform to Clark's vision. Beyond its rough 1789 01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:40.319 shape and trajectory, It was considerably smaller, perhaps one hundred 1790 01:31:40.359 --> 01:31:45.760 meters across instead of Rama's fifty kilometers, had the same 1791 01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:48.840 colors as a typical Solar System comets and asteroids, and 1792 01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:52.319 was apparently tumbling in an uncontrollable manner, giving it a 1793 01:31:52.439 --> 01:31:55.239 highly variable brightness rather than the steady one in the book. 1794 01:31:55.479 --> 01:31:57.359 It was also discovered on its way out of the 1795 01:31:57.399 --> 01:32:00.880 Solar System, too late for close inspection or for human 1796 01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:04.720 visitors as in Clark's novel, that that novel also anticipated 1797 01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:08.880 rather fewer women scientists would study such objects than is 1798 01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:11.760 the actual case today. I feel like he's kind of 1799 01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:13.399 picking hairs at that point. 1800 01:32:13.920 --> 01:32:16.720 I mean, he's throwing shade, you know what I'm saying. 1801 01:32:16.720 --> 01:32:19.319 But also, we're talking about scientists in the nineteen seventies, 1802 01:32:19.359 --> 01:32:22.720 and that book was written as compared to the field 1803 01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:25.680 of science today. In the nineteen seventies, Yeah, you had 1804 01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:28.800 some female scientists in that field, but it was vastly 1805 01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:30.479 less than what we have today. 1806 01:32:30.520 --> 01:32:34.319 So I mean, you're only going on what is normal 1807 01:32:34.359 --> 01:32:38.399 for the time. That's not necessarily a sexist thing, right that. 1808 01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:41.079 You know they're gonna try to throw shade at it 1809 01:32:41.119 --> 01:32:43.039 and say it's not an alien craft. 1810 01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:45.760 This guy wrote about it, but he was wrong. It's like, Okay, 1811 01:32:46.199 --> 01:32:47.840 I feel like you're missing the point here. 1812 01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:49.640 That's like, fucking what's his nuts? 1813 01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:49.720 That? 1814 01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:52.279 I can't stand That went on and debated Graham Hancock 1815 01:32:52.319 --> 01:32:54.840 on The Joe Rogan Show to talk about Glynn Dibble. 1816 01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:57.000 I can't stand that fucking douchebag. 1817 01:32:57.159 --> 01:33:01.760 Why because everything is racist, everything is sexist, and the 1818 01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:06.119 only explanation for Atlantis is because you're such a racist 1819 01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:09.359 piece of shit. I'm like, bro Kanda, fuck on, I'll. 1820 01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:09.680 Give you that. 1821 01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:12.119 And he even said that he does not believe the 1822 01:33:12.159 --> 01:33:15.319 Graham Hancock is a racist. He was saying that a 1823 01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:19.079 lot of the earlier sources for Atlantis being these things, 1824 01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:22.560 and we and you talked about that, right, Why how 1825 01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:24.479 did the Aztecs build these pyramids? 1826 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:25.800 They couldn't have done this. 1827 01:33:26.680 --> 01:33:30.199 That could be taken as a racist epitaph here, because 1828 01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:34.600 you're saying that these Indigenous people were not smart enough 1829 01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:37.199 to know how to cut and stack rocks into a pile. 1830 01:33:37.760 --> 01:33:40.840 That's that could be seen as racist. Now, I know 1831 01:33:40.880 --> 01:33:43.279 what Graham is trying to say. It's not that they 1832 01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:46.720 weren't smart enough to cut rocks. It is the incredible 1833 01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:49.920 alignment and precision and all these things that would take 1834 01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:52.800 insane instruments in tooling and all these things. 1835 01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:55.640 Flint is saying that that is not the case. But 1836 01:33:56.239 --> 01:33:56.680 I mean, we. 1837 01:33:56.640 --> 01:33:58.760 Couldn't create it to the precision that it is in 1838 01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:02.439 this day and age. So essentially, if he's calling those people, 1839 01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:05.039 you know, savages or whatever, he'd be calling even the 1840 01:34:05.079 --> 01:34:06.399 current day people savages. 1841 01:34:07.039 --> 01:34:09.760 I mean we could. It's not it's not that difficult. 1842 01:34:10.319 --> 01:34:12.039 It would, It's just not that's not what they say 1843 01:34:13.359 --> 01:34:17.039 for what to make a pyramid? Fuck a bass pro 1844 01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:18.239 shop that's in a pyramid. 1845 01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:21.039 I'm not Yes, anybody can make a pyramid. What I'm 1846 01:34:21.079 --> 01:34:24.960 saying is is that the the the extreme dimensions that 1847 01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:27.920 they went as far as creating the King's Chamber that 1848 01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:29.880 you light in or you let in a little bit 1849 01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:31.399 of sound, or you let in a little bit of light, 1850 01:34:31.439 --> 01:34:33.960 it's going to cause a harmonic frequency to cause you 1851 01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:37.079 go to to go into like a weird state of mind, 1852 01:34:37.319 --> 01:34:39.560 like they're not doing that true. 1853 01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:43.720 Though, dude, pyramids are notoriously horrible for harmonics. 1854 01:34:43.359 --> 01:34:45.159 That is you have Have you not heard of that? 1855 01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:45.960 No? 1856 01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:48.319 No, no, like you could look it up, like pyramids are 1857 01:34:49.319 --> 01:34:54.319 horrible for sound resonance, Like that's that's why amphitheaters are 1858 01:34:54.359 --> 01:34:58.239 built in round shapes rather than hard angled shapes like pyramids. 1859 01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:00.359 Have you ever heard of? What I'd said? 1860 01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:00.560 Though? 1861 01:35:01.159 --> 01:35:03.479 Yeah, but that's that is what I would consider to 1862 01:35:03.560 --> 01:35:07.479 be incorrect. I know people that have gone there and 1863 01:35:07.520 --> 01:35:10.920 sat in the King's Chamber for that. As far as 1864 01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:14.000 you remember, we talked about the crystal skulls and there 1865 01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:16.560 were these people that just they sat with it and 1866 01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:19.039 they heard voices. They knew that it was from this 1867 01:35:19.159 --> 01:35:21.359 thing and it was real because they vibed with it 1868 01:35:21.399 --> 01:35:22.239 and all these things. 1869 01:35:22.600 --> 01:35:24.159 Come to find out it was completely fake. 1870 01:35:25.439 --> 01:35:27.880 Yeah, but I'm gonna agree to disagree on your concept 1871 01:35:27.920 --> 01:35:31.760 on this. I just think, and especially in exact measurements 1872 01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:35.520 and in relations to a Ryan's belt, that's what sets 1873 01:35:35.680 --> 01:35:40.119 the the the these pyramids in Egypt at Giza apart 1874 01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:43.520 from all the other pyramids, Like, yeah, all the other pyramids. 1875 01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:43.920 Okay. 1876 01:35:43.960 --> 01:35:45.880 I could see how you could say, oh, well, anybody 1877 01:35:45.880 --> 01:35:48.680 could do this because other civilizations have done it. But 1878 01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:51.000 have they done it to the level of the specificity 1879 01:35:51.399 --> 01:35:54.560 of the Pyramids of Giza. No, nobody has. 1880 01:35:55.359 --> 01:35:58.880 I mean, I'm not trying to undercut how impressive it is, 1881 01:35:59.359 --> 01:36:02.920 like at all, but yeah, we could recreate that today. 1882 01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:05.920 Like it's it's not it's just about money and time. 1883 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:08.319 It's not. Uh, it's not impossible. 1884 01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:10.319 Really, Okay, the show coming up, I'm gonna try and 1885 01:36:10.359 --> 01:36:14.560 prove you wrong. That's gonna be a fun one. I 1886 01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:17.399 just love, you know, arguing about this kind of shit 1887 01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:20.840 because I I'm telling you, I have heard so many 1888 01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:24.000 qualified individuals say that there's no way that we could 1889 01:36:24.159 --> 01:36:27.239 recreate them exactly as they are, exactly as they lay, 1890 01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:29.199 exactly at their dimensions and all that. 1891 01:36:29.199 --> 01:36:31.680 That kind of shit. So why would it be considered 1892 01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:34.000 one of the seven fucking Wonders of the world if 1893 01:36:34.039 --> 01:36:36.279 we know that we can recreate it now? That makes 1894 01:36:36.319 --> 01:36:38.359 no sense. Why would it? You wouldn't call it a 1895 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:41.239 fucking wonder of the world if you because it now, 1896 01:36:41.960 --> 01:36:45.840 because it was built fucking four thousand, damnure five thousand 1897 01:36:45.880 --> 01:36:46.319 years ago. 1898 01:36:47.439 --> 01:36:49.319 That makes it a wonder of the world. 1899 01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:51.720 Dude, Are there any other wonders of the world that 1900 01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:53.279 we would be able to create right now? 1901 01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:54.520 Uh? 1902 01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:57.680 As far as the seven ancient Wonders of the world, 1903 01:36:57.880 --> 01:37:00.920 Let's see, we're talking about the lighthouse now, Alexandria. We 1904 01:37:00.960 --> 01:37:05.880 were talking about the colossus at not Carthage. I'm trying 1905 01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:08.159 to remember where the colossus was, but it fell. It 1906 01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:12.000 was made out of mostly ivory and gold. The Hanging Gardens, 1907 01:37:13.079 --> 01:37:16.680 the pyramids, of course, shit, there was a couple others 1908 01:37:16.680 --> 01:37:18.359 that were like one of the seven ancient owners of 1909 01:37:18.359 --> 01:37:20.840 the world, and like, yeah, we could recreate the hanging gardens, 1910 01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:24.079 It's that's not difficult. But the fact that they were 1911 01:37:24.119 --> 01:37:26.319 able to build that in the day and age to 1912 01:37:26.359 --> 01:37:29.039 which it was built is what makes it so incredible. 1913 01:37:30.600 --> 01:37:30.840 Hmm. 1914 01:37:31.840 --> 01:37:34.279 Okay, Like we have we know how to cut stone, 1915 01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:37.479 and we can we can laser etch stone. These days, 1916 01:37:37.800 --> 01:37:41.680 we have cranes, we have all this kind of information. 1917 01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:43.159 We could build a pyramid. 1918 01:37:43.239 --> 01:37:45.479 Yeah, we could cut quartz and the gold capstone and 1919 01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:48.920 all these things. We could recreate it. But do you 1920 01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:51.319 realize how much money that would take, how much time 1921 01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:54.319 that would take, how much manpower resources for? But for 1922 01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:57.439 what they were doing it for what some would say 1923 01:37:57.479 --> 01:38:00.359 a religious purpose. And I'm not gonna say if that 1924 01:38:00.439 --> 01:38:02.760 was right or wrong or bit bah like whatever. They 1925 01:38:02.760 --> 01:38:05.560 did it because it was important to them to do it. 1926 01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:07.680 Wouldn't be important for us to do that. That would 1927 01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:09.640 be that there'd be no reason. It would just be 1928 01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:11.720 a guy trying to flex his richness. 1929 01:38:11.720 --> 01:38:13.960 I guess. I mean, which, if we're gonna be technical, 1930 01:38:14.079 --> 01:38:16.039 is what that kind of was in another sense? 1931 01:38:16.520 --> 01:38:19.039 Yeah, I mean, and I don't know, maybe they say 1932 01:38:19.079 --> 01:38:21.920 that you wouldn't be able to do it today with 1933 01:38:22.239 --> 01:38:24.439 technology that they had back then. I don't know if 1934 01:38:24.439 --> 01:38:28.079 that's considered if that's up against like with our modern technology. 1935 01:38:28.239 --> 01:38:33.039 That might be a different conversation. I mean, you could, 1936 01:38:33.079 --> 01:38:36.279 but it would take a lot of slave labor, and 1937 01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:39.840 we we that's frowned upon in almost every country on 1938 01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:43.119 Earth except for more Tania. But anyway, we're getting way 1939 01:38:43.159 --> 01:38:45.199 off the conversation, and we can do an episode on 1940 01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:46.000 it for the Pyramids. 1941 01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:46.520 I am down. 1942 01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:49.239 Our iPhones are made by fucking essentially slave labor, and 1943 01:38:49.239 --> 01:38:49.920 we all have one. 1944 01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:54.199 Very true, very true. Yeah. 1945 01:38:54.319 --> 01:38:56.600 Anyway, I don't know. That might be something I'll look into. 1946 01:38:56.760 --> 01:38:58.840 If I find that you're right, then I just won't 1947 01:38:58.840 --> 01:38:59.600 do a show on it. 1948 01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:03.399 I mean, I don't know. I could be wrong. 1949 01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:07.439 Anyhow, getting back to the article here. Nonetheless, the object's 1950 01:39:07.479 --> 01:39:10.000 novelty and the possibility for first contact was enough for 1951 01:39:10.039 --> 01:39:13.199 astronomers to check for signs of artificial radio transmissions from 1952 01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:16.960 the object using the Allen Telescope array operated by the 1953 01:39:17.039 --> 01:39:21.880 SETI Institute in Mountain View, California, the Murchison World Or 1954 01:39:22.039 --> 01:39:26.079 Wide Field Array, and the one hundred meter Robert C. 1955 01:39:26.239 --> 01:39:32.520 Byrd Green Bank Telescope. The latter observations by astronomers at 1956 01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:35.239 the University of West Virginia and the University of California 1957 01:39:35.279 --> 01:39:39.119 Berkeley used the Breakthrough Listen equipment in what was at 1958 01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:42.159 the time the most sensitive and broadband SETI investigation ever 1959 01:39:42.199 --> 01:39:45.720 performed on a single target. No signs of artificial signals 1960 01:39:45.720 --> 01:39:46.479 were detected. 1961 01:39:46.520 --> 01:39:49.600 They say, all right, real quick, real quick, let's pause 1962 01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:53.479 where we are at on that conversation too. Well, actually, yeah, yeah, 1963 01:39:53.479 --> 01:39:55.520 we got a little bit more to go. So all right, 1964 01:39:55.680 --> 01:39:59.680 the shit I lost my spot. 1965 01:39:59.560 --> 01:40:03.520 Go down right, there's okay. Yeah, so let's talk about 1966 01:40:03.560 --> 01:40:06.640 the Breakthrough Listen equipment. We're not gonna spend a whole 1967 01:40:06.680 --> 01:40:08.439 lot of time on it. I do have an article 1968 01:40:08.439 --> 01:40:11.319 pulled up here, but it's rather quick when it looks long. 1969 01:40:11.359 --> 01:40:13.840 But that's the entirety of it. Just so we're all 1970 01:40:13.920 --> 01:40:17.680 on the same page with what the Breakthrough Listen project is, 1971 01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:19.520 let's read these two paragraphs right here. 1972 01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:23.319 Breakthrough Listen is an astronomy project to search for intelligent 1973 01:40:23.359 --> 01:40:26.640 extraterrestrial communications, with one hundred million dollars in funding, in 1974 01:40:26.680 --> 01:40:30.720 thousands of hours of dedicated telescope time on state of 1975 01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:34.039 the art facilities, and the most comprehensive search for alien 1976 01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:37.119 communication to date. The project began in January of twenty 1977 01:40:37.159 --> 01:40:39.720 sixteen and is expected to continue for ten years. 1978 01:40:40.119 --> 01:40:43.560 So that's coming up on the end real quick, January 1979 01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:49.119 of twenty sixteen. This object came in twenty seventeen. Again, 1980 01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:52.640 do we think it's a coincidence that out of nowhere 1981 01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:56.159 they developed an entire project to try to listen and 1982 01:40:56.199 --> 01:41:03.079 communicate with extraterrestrial life one year to Amuamua making its entrance. 1983 01:41:04.159 --> 01:41:06.920 So you're saying that if it was alien, then they 1984 01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:09.520 may have detected that we were building this technology and 1985 01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:13.760 therefore would have to come scope out the Solar System. Now, 1986 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:15.880 it didn't go around Earth though, it just shot around 1987 01:41:15.880 --> 01:41:16.239 the Sun. 1988 01:41:16.920 --> 01:41:19.760 It shot by Earth, but we didn't realize that until 1989 01:41:19.800 --> 01:41:23.279 after it had already passed by the Sun. Oh Okay, 1990 01:41:23.319 --> 01:41:26.159 it did come within one hundred and thirty what was 1991 01:41:26.159 --> 01:41:27.560 the number she said? It was like one hundred and 1992 01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:30.800 thirty thousand or something like that. It came close, but 1993 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:34.640 not like it shot between us and our moon or 1994 01:41:34.640 --> 01:41:36.359 something like that. I didn't like affect our tidal waves 1995 01:41:36.439 --> 01:41:39.680 or anything. But it was closer to the Earth than 1996 01:41:39.720 --> 01:41:41.680 when they realized that it was there. That's why they 1997 01:41:41.680 --> 01:41:43.760 had to go two months back in time with the 1998 01:41:43.800 --> 01:41:46.600 hubble to see where it came from. They realized, oh 1999 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:49.760 my god, it was right by us, but they didn't 2000 01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:52.159 realize it yet. But all I'm saying is, isn't it 2001 01:41:52.239 --> 01:41:55.920 just a crazy coincidence that all one year, almost two 2002 01:41:56.000 --> 01:42:03.199 years prior to the amuamua exposure, they literally developed the 2003 01:42:03.279 --> 01:42:05.760 group that was trying to make contact with these things. 2004 01:42:05.800 --> 01:42:06.399 I'm just saying. 2005 01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:10.319 It is a component of Yuri Milner's Breakthrough Initiatives program. 2006 01:42:10.399 --> 01:42:13.760 The science program for Breakthrough Listen is based at Berkeley 2007 01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:17.239 SETI Research Center, located in the Astronomy Department at the 2008 01:42:17.319 --> 01:42:21.199 University of California, Berkeley. The project uses radio wave observations 2009 01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:25.319 from the Green Bank Observatory and the Parks Observatory, and 2010 01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:29.840 visible light observations from the automated Planetfinder. Targets for the 2011 01:42:29.920 --> 01:42:33.199 project include one million nearby stars and the centers of 2012 01:42:33.239 --> 01:42:37.560 one hundred galaxies. I mean, it didn't do a very 2013 01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:39.640 good job at detecting this one. Then are you looking 2014 01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:40.840 at one hundred galaxies? 2015 01:42:41.640 --> 01:42:43.840 Looking at one hundred galaxies, but you missed the thing 2016 01:42:43.880 --> 01:42:46.279 that was literally passing but right by your house. 2017 01:42:47.159 --> 01:42:50.239 All data generated from the project are available to the 2018 01:42:50.279 --> 01:42:55.920 public and SETI at Home. Bioinc or bo inc is 2019 01:42:56.079 --> 01:42:58.920 used for some of the data analysis. The first results 2020 01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:02.199 were published in April twenty seventeen, with further updates expected 2021 01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:03.600 every six months. 2022 01:43:04.279 --> 01:43:08.439 Okay, so that's the over under of it right now, 2023 01:43:08.600 --> 01:43:13.319 let's talk about the breakthrough. Listen is eavesdropping on strange 2024 01:43:13.319 --> 01:43:15.800 interstellar object a muamua. 2025 01:43:16.800 --> 01:43:21.439 Okay, Alien hunting scientists are are lending a telescopic ear 2026 01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:24.640 to a muamua, a mysterious object recently spotted speeding through 2027 01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:28.079 the Solar System. A muamua, first detected in October with 2028 01:43:28.159 --> 01:43:31.960 the pan Star's one telescope in Hawaii, is the first 2029 01:43:32.079 --> 01:43:35.239 likely visitor from interstellar space to ever be spotted in 2030 01:43:35.279 --> 01:43:38.279 Earth's Solar System. The object reach a peak speed of 2031 01:43:38.279 --> 01:43:41.159 one hundred and ninety six thousand miles per hour during 2032 01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:44.640 and during its closest approach to Earth. Also in October, 2033 01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:48.199 the reddish, potentially cigar shaped object passed by about eighty 2034 01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:50.680 five times the distance from Earth to the Moon. 2035 01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:53.039 It's up to a quarter mile long. 2036 01:43:53.479 --> 01:43:54.359 So yeah, that was wrong. 2037 01:43:54.439 --> 01:43:57.239 I said two hundred thousand miles per hour at its 2038 01:43:57.279 --> 01:44:01.680 fastest one hundred ninety six. I don't think anybody's gonna 2039 01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:03.640 give you shit for that one. Jacob I'm just saying 2040 01:44:03.680 --> 01:44:07.239 some people are are meticulous motherfuckers, and if you get 2041 01:44:07.279 --> 01:44:09.920 one little thing wrong, it's like, okay, sorry, maybe I 2042 01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:12.319 round it up a little bit. That's why I don't 2043 01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:14.600 read the Spotify comments, bro, that's. 2044 01:44:14.439 --> 01:44:16.640 All it's not. Yeah, it's just the Spotify comments. 2045 01:44:16.680 --> 01:44:18.800 But yeah, it's like earlier whenever I said Haley's comment 2046 01:44:19.279 --> 01:44:21.239 the fastest that he gets as compared to this, it's 2047 01:44:21.279 --> 01:44:23.520 like a nine thousand mile per hour difference. 2048 01:44:24.039 --> 01:44:26.800 But that's also as compared to what. 2049 01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:30.960 Muhamua's or o muhamouh, excuse me, it's slowest speed, it's 2050 01:44:31.119 --> 01:44:34.399 fastest with one hundred and ninety six thousand, that is 2051 01:44:34.520 --> 01:44:36.039 substantially less than what you said. 2052 01:44:36.039 --> 01:44:37.840 Hailey's was one hundred and thirty three thousand. 2053 01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:41.720 Yeah, something like that. I mean, bro, that is cooking. 2054 01:44:42.239 --> 01:44:45.960 There is nothing that we've ever seen go that fast anyway. 2055 01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:50.720 Continuing, Yeah, So, the Global SETI Program Breakthrough Listen, funded 2056 01:44:50.720 --> 01:44:54.840 by Yuri Milner, a Silicon Valley technology investor, announced today 2057 01:44:55.000 --> 01:44:58.479 on December eleventh, it will turn the one hundred meter 2058 01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:02.439 Green Bay tell Scoto Or in West Virginia to listen 2059 01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:04.119 for potential alien signals. 2060 01:45:03.840 --> 01:45:04.520 From the object. 2061 01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:06.880 Yeah. I did telling Danma. 2062 01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:10.920 Scientists have been intrigued by the reddish elongated object because 2063 01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:13.119 of its long and thin shape, which is unlike the 2064 01:45:13.159 --> 01:45:15.920 asteroids and commets researchers have seen that are native to 2065 01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:19.760 the Solar System. Researchers working on long distance space transportation 2066 01:45:20.119 --> 01:45:23.239 have previously suggested that a cigar or needle shape like 2067 01:45:23.279 --> 01:45:26.680 a Muamua exhibits is the most likely architecture for an 2068 01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:31.760 interteller interstellar spacecraft, since this would minimize friction and damage 2069 01:45:31.760 --> 01:45:35.800 from interstellar gas and dust. Breakthrough Listen representatives said in 2070 01:45:35.880 --> 01:45:40.960 the statement in quotes, while a natural origin is more likely, 2071 01:45:41.039 --> 01:45:43.840 there is currently no consensus on what the on what 2072 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:46.840 that origin might have been, and break Through Listen as 2073 01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:49.880 well positioned to explore the possibility that Amuama could be 2074 01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:51.119 an artifact. 2075 01:45:51.520 --> 01:45:52.239 So real quick. 2076 01:45:52.279 --> 01:45:55.640 Also, they're saying that the cigar shape, which we know, 2077 01:45:55.840 --> 01:45:57.920 is not the likely shape of it. 2078 01:45:58.439 --> 01:45:59.560 It was more disk like. 2079 01:45:59.720 --> 01:46:02.039 But at the time this article was from twenty seventeen, 2080 01:46:02.119 --> 01:46:04.920 when it was still hot, right like hot off the presses. 2081 01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:07.840 This was the going news to people that were paying 2082 01:46:07.840 --> 01:46:11.439 attention to it. Anyway, the cigar or needle shape is 2083 01:46:11.479 --> 01:46:16.239 the most likely architecture for interstellar spacecraft, since this would 2084 01:46:16.279 --> 01:46:20.840 minimize friction and damage from interstellar gas and dust. There's 2085 01:46:20.920 --> 01:46:25.279 no friction in space, dog, there's no air in space. 2086 01:46:25.720 --> 01:46:28.239 So right off the rip, it's like, what are you 2087 01:46:28.319 --> 01:46:29.239 talking about, dog? 2088 01:46:29.479 --> 01:46:31.920 Is it maybe because it's so skinny that it's not gonna, 2089 01:46:32.079 --> 01:46:34.960 you know, be bumping elbows with other comments and other 2090 01:46:34.960 --> 01:46:35.760 planets and shit. 2091 01:46:36.479 --> 01:46:37.920 Like if that's what they're gonna say, then cool. 2092 01:46:37.960 --> 01:46:40.079 Like they said, from like debris and shit, it's the 2093 01:46:40.159 --> 01:46:44.359 least likely to get hit by debris. I don't necessarily 2094 01:46:44.399 --> 01:46:47.600 believe that, but okay, anyway. 2095 01:46:47.720 --> 01:46:51.920 The telescope will begin observing the object tomorrow, December December thirteenth, 2096 01:46:51.920 --> 01:46:56.119 at three pm across four radio bands from one to 2097 01:46:56.319 --> 01:46:59.520 twelve gigahertz, and will observe over a total of ten 2098 01:46:59.560 --> 01:47:03.520 hours for its first phase, broken up into four segments 2099 01:47:03.520 --> 01:47:06.640 based on the object's rotation. At the object's current distance 2100 01:47:06.640 --> 01:47:08.560 from Earth, it would take less than a minute for 2101 01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:11.640 a for the telescope to detect a transmission with the 2102 01:47:11.640 --> 01:47:14.199 powers of a cell phone. With the power of a 2103 01:47:14.359 --> 01:47:18.199 cell phone's breakthrough listen representative said, that's interesting. 2104 01:47:18.720 --> 01:47:20.199 So remember how I said this earlier. 2105 01:47:20.479 --> 01:47:24.079 This does not mean that Amua mua was not transmitting 2106 01:47:24.319 --> 01:47:27.399 signal in some way, shape or form. It's very possible 2107 01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:29.319 that it was not within this range. Now, this is 2108 01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:33.279 a wide range, one to twelve gigahertz. That is a 2109 01:47:33.319 --> 01:47:36.119 wide range. I am not going to deny that. But 2110 01:47:36.199 --> 01:47:40.279 it's only four radio bands and it was between those frequencies. 2111 01:47:40.920 --> 01:47:42.359 Is it possible that it. 2112 01:47:42.319 --> 01:47:45.640 Was transmitting something outside of those and that's why nothing 2113 01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:48.720 was detected? So interesting? 2114 01:47:48.920 --> 01:47:51.640 Yeah, that's all I was trying to see, like one 2115 01:47:51.680 --> 01:47:55.000 to twelve gigaherts on the spectrum that it is, Like 2116 01:47:55.159 --> 01:47:56.479 how high does that go up? 2117 01:47:57.279 --> 01:47:58.880 But I mean, that's what I'm saying. How do we 2118 01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:01.600 know that it was even transmit emitting a radio or 2119 01:48:01.640 --> 01:48:05.880 a sound signal. Maybe it's communicating through light, Maybe it's 2120 01:48:05.880 --> 01:48:08.720 communicating through a means that humans really have never even 2121 01:48:08.840 --> 01:48:11.760 heard or thought of yet. Maybe, like you said, it 2122 01:48:11.840 --> 01:48:14.800 is astral projection or something in that regard, Like who knows. 2123 01:48:15.319 --> 01:48:17.479 Just because they didn't pick up a signal from it, 2124 01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:19.600 doesn't mean that it wasn't transmitting a signal. 2125 01:48:19.640 --> 01:48:22.720 That's all I'm saying, right right, I mean, if you 2126 01:48:22.800 --> 01:48:24.399 just want to get weird here for a second, you 2127 01:48:24.439 --> 01:48:28.199 know the the what is it called the fungus network, 2128 01:48:28.399 --> 01:48:32.800 the my cereal network. Does the my celial network technically 2129 01:48:32.840 --> 01:48:35.560 give off a sound whenever it's communicating with trees and 2130 01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:36.640 all other plant life? 2131 01:48:37.680 --> 01:48:38.720 I mean, I don't believe. 2132 01:48:39.039 --> 01:48:41.159 I don't think so. I don't know it didn't. I 2133 01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:43.359 don't know if they would need to do that. But 2134 01:48:43.479 --> 01:48:45.560 to your point, we didn't even know that the my 2135 01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:52.079 seal network existed ten years ago. Like, that's that's relatively 2136 01:48:52.159 --> 01:48:54.880 new information to us. And I'm not gonna say new technology. 2137 01:48:55.399 --> 01:48:58.479 Trees have been doing tree shit and mushrooms have been 2138 01:48:58.520 --> 01:49:02.159 doing mushroom shit since the beginning of time. Right, Just 2139 01:49:02.199 --> 01:49:05.199 because we just now discovered it, doesn't mean that it's 2140 01:49:05.479 --> 01:49:08.560 new information. It might be new for us. We don't 2141 01:49:08.600 --> 01:49:11.359 know the type of communication that a muamua might have 2142 01:49:11.439 --> 01:49:14.159 been using. It might be something that we don't even 2143 01:49:14.199 --> 01:49:17.119 know exists. That's one hundred percent with you here. 2144 01:49:17.560 --> 01:49:21.199 Even without a signal, the telescope's radio inspection could reveal 2145 01:49:21.239 --> 01:49:24.479 additional information about water or ice on the subject or 2146 01:49:24.479 --> 01:49:27.039 on the object rather or a coma of gas surrounding it, 2147 01:49:27.159 --> 01:49:31.319 neither of which have yet been spotted. A muamua's presence 2148 01:49:31.359 --> 01:49:34.479 within our solar system affords breakthrough listen and opportunity to 2149 01:49:34.520 --> 01:49:39.960 reach unprecedented sensitivities to possible artificial transmitters and demonstrate our 2150 01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:43.960 ability to track nearby fast moving objects, said the director 2151 01:49:43.960 --> 01:49:48.079 of Berkeley Seti Research Center. Whether this object turns out 2152 01:49:48.119 --> 01:49:51.319 to be artificial or natural, it's a great target for listen. 2153 01:49:52.199 --> 01:49:56.800 Okay, so again they found nothing, but I at least 2154 01:49:56.800 --> 01:49:59.760 wanted to give props that the scientific community was doing 2155 01:49:59.760 --> 01:50:02.239 what they could to try to reach out to this 2156 01:50:02.399 --> 01:50:05.000 craft or at least pick up on what signal it was. 2157 01:50:05.399 --> 01:50:08.479 They fell short of the mark, But it wasn't this like, oh, well, 2158 01:50:08.479 --> 01:50:12.520 that must be an asteroid. Like no, they legitimately thought 2159 01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:15.119 if this is something, because we can't explain where it 2160 01:50:15.199 --> 01:50:18.039 came from, we can't explain why it's going as fast 2161 01:50:18.079 --> 01:50:20.800 as it is, we can't explain the trajectory that it 2162 01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:22.560 was on or any of these things. Yo, how do 2163 01:50:22.600 --> 01:50:25.319 we know it's not a craft? And at least they 2164 01:50:25.560 --> 01:50:28.800 tried to the capabilities that they could at the time 2165 01:50:29.239 --> 01:50:31.439 to make contact, and I want to at least give 2166 01:50:31.479 --> 01:50:33.119 the props of the scientific community for that. 2167 01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:34.119 Sure. 2168 01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:38.960 So the most prominent suggestion that a Muha Moa was artificial. 2169 01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:43.199 Began with a paper by Biali and Lobe which analyzed 2170 01:50:43.239 --> 01:50:48.119 the possibility that Amua Moa might be a light sale, 2171 01:50:48.239 --> 01:50:53.000 an extremely thin sheet used for spacecraft propulsion via radiation pressure. 2172 01:50:53.359 --> 01:50:57.239 This paper was primarily an analysis of the survivability of 2173 01:50:57.279 --> 01:51:01.359 thin objects and interstellar space, but concluded with the exotic 2174 01:51:01.399 --> 01:51:04.279 scenario that Amoa Morea might have been such an object, 2175 01:51:04.479 --> 01:51:08.239 perhaps a discarded piece of a launch apparatus. 2176 01:51:08.920 --> 01:51:12.760 So Lobe, by the way, is the guy from Harvard 2177 01:51:12.760 --> 01:51:17.680 who is currently saying that the Atlas is a mothership. 2178 01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:24.359 Oh shit. He is the Harvard astrology guy that is, 2179 01:51:24.560 --> 01:51:28.439 or astrophysics guy that is saying that he believes that 2180 01:51:28.520 --> 01:51:32.680 Atlas is not just another crazy space debris. He believes 2181 01:51:32.680 --> 01:51:37.000 that it is something of extraterrestrial importance in some way, 2182 01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:40.199 shape or form. And the scientific community is shitting on 2183 01:51:40.279 --> 01:51:42.479 him for this, I might add, but they have no 2184 01:51:42.680 --> 01:51:44.159 answers that make sense either. 2185 01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:45.319 This is what I'm saying. 2186 01:51:45.319 --> 01:51:48.159 It's like they're eating themselves alive, throwing shit at the 2187 01:51:48.159 --> 01:51:50.399 wall to see what sticks when none of them have 2188 01:51:50.479 --> 01:51:53.199 any clue. Lobe is just as credible, in my opinion 2189 01:51:53.239 --> 01:51:55.800 as the doctor we heard from the Ted talk. 2190 01:51:56.720 --> 01:51:59.560 Yeah, and that's the problem within the scientific community. If 2191 01:51:59.600 --> 01:52:03.680 you go out of line, you are completely disregarded. And 2192 01:52:03.720 --> 01:52:06.199 that's why so many of them stay in line with 2193 01:52:06.279 --> 01:52:09.479 what everybody else believes. Because if you're somebody that is 2194 01:52:09.520 --> 01:52:12.439 thinking outside the box, for I mean, for heaven's sake, 2195 01:52:12.520 --> 01:52:14.920 you think outside the box and you're not so lockstep 2196 01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:18.039 with every other scientist and every other opinion of the 2197 01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:21.640 supposed experts, then you're somehow out an outcast now and 2198 01:52:21.680 --> 01:52:24.079 nobody wants to listen to you because you're that kooky 2199 01:52:24.159 --> 01:52:26.800 scientist that said that this could be an alien. It's like, 2200 01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:29.399 you know, this is the problem with that whole scientific 2201 01:52:29.399 --> 01:52:33.119 community is because there are I mean, I mean, you 2202 01:52:33.199 --> 01:52:37.000 just get slapped out if you have any you know, original. 2203 01:52:36.520 --> 01:52:40.079 Thought, right, and so, and I'm not saying that I 2204 01:52:40.159 --> 01:52:42.439 agree with Lobe. I'm not saying that I disagree with 2205 01:52:42.520 --> 01:52:45.359 lob And we need people like him though. He is 2206 01:52:45.399 --> 01:52:49.479 proposing a very interesting perspective and I think we need that. 2207 01:52:50.079 --> 01:52:56.039 Yeah, so where we're all right in their paper? Bally, 2208 01:52:56.479 --> 01:52:58.720 is that all you would say that BALI? I think 2209 01:52:58.720 --> 01:53:00.960 it's not Bailey, it's b I A l y. 2210 01:53:01.520 --> 01:53:07.159 Yeah, so Baali and Lobe estimates that Ama was around 2211 01:53:07.159 --> 01:53:12.319 one hundred or a thousand kilograms and about one millimeter 2212 01:53:12.680 --> 01:53:13.520 millimeter thick. 2213 01:53:13.920 --> 01:53:17.560 No wow, Yeah, they're saying it was like a piece 2214 01:53:17.560 --> 01:53:18.439 of paper out there. 2215 01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:22.279 Okay, interesting, which seems to be too bulky to be 2216 01:53:22.319 --> 01:53:25.439 an effective light sale. Ours are typically thousands of times 2217 01:53:25.479 --> 01:53:28.479 thinner than this. Oh so this is too thick? Is 2218 01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:29.239 one millimeter? 2219 01:53:29.960 --> 01:53:32.640 Yeah, there's because they were acting like it was a sale, 2220 01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:36.960 like as a ship, and it was using radiation to 2221 01:53:37.239 --> 01:53:40.800 pull it somewhere. That was like the propulsion method is. 2222 01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:42.760 Or it's like I said, it's all in the realm 2223 01:53:42.760 --> 01:53:44.159 of theories and possibilities here. 2224 01:53:44.199 --> 01:53:47.199 Look, it's only crazy or not crazy until you can 2225 01:53:47.199 --> 01:53:49.359 actually get your hands on the thing and actually observe it. 2226 01:53:49.640 --> 01:53:52.520 You know, I would say that there's no such thing 2227 01:53:52.560 --> 01:53:55.039 as a crazy thought. If you if this thing is 2228 01:53:55.079 --> 01:53:57.199 so far away, you only got the data that you have. 2229 01:53:57.520 --> 01:53:59.479 I mean, hey, dude, let your imagination run wild. 2230 01:54:00.039 --> 01:54:02.600 And that's the other thing too. This is a clearly 2231 01:54:02.680 --> 01:54:05.960 human perspective. Well, what's making it go? There's no trail 2232 01:54:06.039 --> 01:54:08.359 behind it, there's no comma, there's no this, there's this 2233 01:54:08.880 --> 01:54:13.880 Maybe it's like a light sale. Brother, the beings that 2234 01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:17.800 built this craft you think are still using sales. That 2235 01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:20.720 sounds like a very human perspective. But again, it's not 2236 01:54:20.920 --> 01:54:24.279 any more crazy than any other proposed theory at this time. 2237 01:54:24.800 --> 01:54:28.399 Yeah, it is also unclear whether such a sale would 2238 01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:31.600 not fold up, or if it would indeed continue to 2239 01:54:31.640 --> 01:54:34.359 tumble after millions or billions of years in interstellar space. 2240 01:54:34.720 --> 01:54:37.399 Until recently, no one had performed an analysis of what 2241 01:54:37.439 --> 01:54:41.319 the brightness variation and accelerations of a light cell might be, 2242 01:54:41.680 --> 01:54:44.119 and so it was unclear whether the light cell hypothesis 2243 01:54:44.119 --> 01:54:47.479 fit the data any better than a comet would. Nevertheless, 2244 01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:50.439 the suggestion has received widespread attention in the media on 2245 01:54:50.479 --> 01:54:53.239 account of numerous media interviews by the second author, A 2246 01:54:53.359 --> 01:54:57.479 VI Lobe, and the subsequent publication of his trad his 2247 01:54:57.680 --> 01:55:01.880 trade science book, Extraterrestrial, The First Sign of Intelligent Life 2248 01:55:01.880 --> 01:55:04.960 Beyond Earth, which debuted on the New York Times bestseller 2249 01:55:04.960 --> 01:55:08.079 list and was favorably reviewed in the print edition of 2250 01:55:08.119 --> 01:55:11.359 the newspaper. Doctor Loebes's book and public discussions have been 2251 01:55:11.479 --> 01:55:17.640 much less circumspect and equivocal than the biali inlob paper, 2252 01:55:17.720 --> 01:55:20.119 and make strong claims about the quality of the evidence 2253 01:55:20.119 --> 01:55:21.800 for Amua moya being artificial. 2254 01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:24.800 And this is a picture of the book. By the way, 2255 01:55:25.039 --> 01:55:26.000 I thought it looked cool. 2256 01:55:26.199 --> 01:55:26.960 Yeah, it looks tight. 2257 01:55:27.880 --> 01:55:31.000 Some extraordinary claims and extraordinary evidence. 2258 01:55:31.520 --> 01:55:34.720 Much of the meta discussion about doctor Loeb's claims has 2259 01:55:34.760 --> 01:55:37.399 centered on variations of Carl Sagan's phrasing of the old 2260 01:55:37.439 --> 01:55:41.840 maxim that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Doctor Loeb argues 2261 01:55:41.880 --> 01:55:44.279 in his book and elsewhere that this claim, or that 2262 01:55:44.399 --> 01:55:47.479 his claim that Amua moa is alien technology, is in 2263 01:55:47.600 --> 01:55:51.479 the end not so extraordinary. This is ultimately a philosophical 2264 01:55:51.479 --> 01:55:54.199 objection to the presumption many of us have made that 2265 01:55:54.279 --> 01:55:57.039 the project is natural, or that the object is natural, 2266 01:55:57.399 --> 01:56:02.359 and to subsequent analysis is analysis of the data made 2267 01:56:02.439 --> 01:56:06.159 under the presumption under that presumption. Rather to doctor loebe 2268 01:56:06.199 --> 01:56:10.119 this might seem to be questioned begging. This might seem 2269 01:56:10.159 --> 01:56:13.000 to be question begging. Okay, if we assume it is 2270 01:56:13.039 --> 01:56:16.439 a it is natural before we begin our analysis, that 2271 01:56:17.000 --> 01:56:19.640 then we cannot claim to have come to the conclusion 2272 01:56:19.720 --> 01:56:23.000 that it is natural based on evidence. Okay, it's just 2273 01:56:23.039 --> 01:56:31.640 a philosophical They just disagree. Yeah, essentially, so we would 2274 01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:34.800 counter as the scientists. It says the scientists analyzing a 2275 01:56:34.840 --> 01:56:37.960 MOA MOA in a natural context have not dismissed the 2276 01:56:37.960 --> 01:56:41.279 alien technology hypothesis out of hand. Indeed, many of us 2277 01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:44.079 were engaged in many of the earlier mentioned discussions of 2278 01:56:44.079 --> 01:56:47.439 it being an artifact, just that it is unlikely enough 2279 01:56:47.520 --> 01:56:51.039 and the evidence for that possibility weak enough that it 2280 01:56:51.119 --> 01:56:56.119 has not been worth following up. After all, A tacit 2281 01:56:56.279 --> 01:57:00.279 corollary of Sagan's maxim in the scientific community is that 2282 01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:03.840 the burden is on the one making an extraordinary claim 2283 01:57:03.880 --> 01:57:05.520 to do the hard work of showing that it holds 2284 01:57:05.560 --> 01:57:09.159 up to scrutiny. Ultimately, however, this is part of the discussion. 2285 01:57:09.520 --> 01:57:11.800 This part of the discussion comes down to one personal 2286 01:57:11.800 --> 01:57:15.800 assessment of the likelihood that alien spacecraft visit the Solar System, 2287 01:57:16.039 --> 01:57:20.199 which can only be debated philosophically. We believe the claim 2288 01:57:20.239 --> 01:57:23.479 to be extraordinary, requiring much more evidence than exists to 2289 01:57:23.520 --> 01:57:26.760 be seriously entertained. Doctor Lobe apparently finds the claim to 2290 01:57:26.800 --> 01:57:30.119 be quite reasonable. Indeed, he devotes much of his book 2291 01:57:31.000 --> 01:57:34.359 to this argument, and therefore requires not much more than 2292 01:57:34.600 --> 01:57:37.880 the cursory analysis he has done for us already to 2293 01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:42.520 consider it likely. So, rather than debate the merits of 2294 01:57:42.760 --> 01:57:45.920 the idea that alien spacecraft exists in the Solar System, 2295 01:57:45.960 --> 01:57:49.720 and we three authors have different opinions on this topic. 2296 01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:54.920 We will stay here. We will here, stay close. I 2297 01:57:54.960 --> 01:57:55.680 think that was wrong. 2298 01:57:55.880 --> 01:57:58.000 We will stay here, close to the data and discuss 2299 01:57:58.039 --> 01:57:59.920 the merits of doctor Lobe's evidence so that the real 2300 01:58:00.199 --> 01:58:01.960 can come to their own conclusions. 2301 01:58:02.760 --> 01:58:06.359 We will grow. We will group evidence in two camps. 2302 01:58:06.399 --> 01:58:09.279 Properties of amama that are consistent with natural objects in 2303 01:58:09.279 --> 01:58:12.880 the Solar System or prior expectations for interstellar objects, and 2304 01:58:12.960 --> 01:58:16.319 anomalist properties that might argue for either a new class 2305 01:58:16.640 --> 01:58:20.000 or understanding of natural objects or for artifice, depending on 2306 01:58:20.000 --> 01:58:21.319 one's priors. 2307 01:58:21.680 --> 01:58:24.760 And that also checks out right. They're saying, listen, we're 2308 01:58:24.760 --> 01:58:27.079 not saying there's a zero percent chance of it. We're 2309 01:58:27.119 --> 01:58:28.920 gonna say that we're going to show the evidence for both. 2310 01:58:29.039 --> 01:58:32.399 So I'll read this part evidence for the naturalness. What 2311 01:58:32.479 --> 01:58:35.800 evidence is needed to demonstrate that amua mua is a natural, 2312 01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:39.800 non artificial object. Most scientists are not used to defending 2313 01:58:39.840 --> 01:58:44.159 the concept of naturalness. Each observation of a muamua can 2314 01:58:44.159 --> 01:58:47.159 be interpreted in the context of known populations of small 2315 01:58:47.159 --> 01:58:50.199 bodies on its way in it was observed to be 2316 01:58:50.399 --> 01:58:52.800 on exactly the type of orbit that was expected for 2317 01:58:52.920 --> 01:58:56.760 non active interstellar objects. Its colors are consistent with D 2318 01:58:57.000 --> 01:59:01.640 type asteroids, commets, and even Pluto. Its brightness variations are 2319 01:59:01.720 --> 01:59:06.359 unusual but not unprecedented, and the census of small, faint 2320 01:59:06.439 --> 01:59:09.960 asteroids and comets in the Solar System is woefully incomplete. 2321 01:59:10.479 --> 01:59:13.800 Many small bodies are in tumbling rotation states, and many 2322 01:59:13.880 --> 01:59:18.079 comets show non gravitational acceleration. What is hard to explain 2323 01:59:18.399 --> 01:59:21.760 is the combination of these different factors in a single object, 2324 01:59:21.960 --> 01:59:27.119 rather than any individual trait. So again, the color, yeah, 2325 01:59:27.159 --> 01:59:31.039 they have stuff out there that's that color. The crazy rotation, yeah, 2326 01:59:31.079 --> 01:59:34.800 they got stuff that rotates like that, like crazy, it's 2327 01:59:34.880 --> 01:59:37.079 going fast like that. They got stuff that's kind of 2328 01:59:37.079 --> 01:59:40.039 out there going fast. Okay, cool, But none of them 2329 01:59:40.079 --> 01:59:44.000 are all seen in the same object. So this is 2330 01:59:44.039 --> 01:59:46.720 why it's a bit on the anomalous side. On the 2331 01:59:46.760 --> 01:59:50.319 other hand, there's no priori reason. I think that is 2332 01:59:50.399 --> 01:59:53.720 meant to be a prior reason. There's no alternative reason 2333 01:59:53.800 --> 01:59:56.920 to suppose that the artificial objects should share any of 2334 01:59:56.960 --> 02:00:01.319 these properties with comets and asteroids, except non gravitational acceleration. 2335 02:00:01.840 --> 02:00:04.640 So this constitutes evidence that a muhamua is. 2336 02:00:04.640 --> 02:00:08.319 Natural and kind of or and of a kind of 2337 02:00:08.439 --> 02:00:13.359 Solar system asteroid and comments. Now, let's talk about doctor 2338 02:00:13.600 --> 02:00:17.920 Loeb's evidence for anomalies. In his book, doctor Lobe lays 2339 02:00:17.920 --> 02:00:21.159 out three major and two minor anomalies that he believes 2340 02:00:21.359 --> 02:00:25.920 argues for a muhamua's artificial nature. The major pieces of 2341 02:00:25.920 --> 02:00:31.279 evidence are its shape, its reflectivity or albedo, and most 2342 02:00:31.319 --> 02:00:36.600 significantly to doctor Lobe, its non gravitational acceleration phrased an 2343 02:00:36.920 --> 02:00:41.600 apocryphal comment by Galileo before the Inquisition, Lobe repeats through 2344 02:00:41.600 --> 02:00:44.239 his book, and yet it deviated. 2345 02:00:44.399 --> 02:00:47.479 That's the quote. And yet it deviated, which that's the 2346 02:00:47.520 --> 02:00:50.840 thing it did. It did, But anyway, The. 2347 02:00:50.760 --> 02:00:54.479 Minor pieces of evidence are the space density of smaller 2348 02:00:54.760 --> 02:00:58.800 or similar objects implied by its discovery, and its velocity 2349 02:00:58.840 --> 02:01:02.800 through interstellar space. Below, we added each piece of evidence 2350 02:01:02.840 --> 02:01:06.239 individually and in concert in light of the significant amount 2351 02:01:06.239 --> 02:01:08.800 of research that has been done before and since doctor 2352 02:01:08.840 --> 02:01:09.920 Lobe's initial claim. 2353 02:01:10.359 --> 02:01:11.760 So the major argument. 2354 02:01:11.439 --> 02:01:15.319 Being its shape, it is too elongated to be a 2355 02:01:15.399 --> 02:01:19.279 natural object, and its longest to shortest axis ratio is 2356 02:01:19.279 --> 02:01:23.439 at least five, perhaps ten, whereas the most extreme Solar 2357 02:01:23.439 --> 02:01:26.199 System objects have an axis rotation of less. 2358 02:01:25.920 --> 02:01:27.399 Than three or ratios. 2359 02:01:27.479 --> 02:01:31.319 Rather truth the model fits, the light curve data are 2360 02:01:31.439 --> 02:01:35.359 more consistent with a pancake shape with axis ratios of 2361 02:01:35.399 --> 02:01:38.000 six six one. That is not a ten to one, 2362 02:01:38.399 --> 02:01:41.920 but it is still much flatter and almost all than 2363 02:01:42.119 --> 02:01:45.760 almost all Solar System objects, which typically have an access 2364 02:01:45.840 --> 02:01:48.359 ratio of less than three to one, although there are 2365 02:01:48.399 --> 02:01:52.800 a few with equally large light curve variations. Those rare 2366 02:01:52.880 --> 02:01:57.560 cases also involve equally small bodies, and almost always when 2367 02:01:57.600 --> 02:02:00.439 seen directly opposite of the Sun from us when at 2368 02:02:00.640 --> 02:02:04.000 quote unquote full moon phase as opposed to at an 2369 02:02:04.039 --> 02:02:08.520 angle at crescent moon phase. Okay, that matters because many 2370 02:02:08.560 --> 02:02:12.359 planetary surfaces are extra reflective when directly opposite of the Sun, 2371 02:02:12.720 --> 02:02:16.359 an effect we known as the opposition surge, and so 2372 02:02:16.439 --> 02:02:19.159 some of the light curve variations may be due to 2373 02:02:19.199 --> 02:02:23.399 the effect rather than the elongation shape. So it may 2374 02:02:23.520 --> 02:02:26.760 yet be the case that all the observed bodies in 2375 02:02:26.800 --> 02:02:29.279 the Solar System have axis ratios of less than three 2376 02:02:29.319 --> 02:02:31.479 to one. On the other hand, little is known about 2377 02:02:31.479 --> 02:02:35.039 the shapes of such small bodies, and perhaps more elongated 2378 02:02:35.079 --> 02:02:39.960 shapes are common among them. Interestingly, the Copper Belt object, 2379 02:02:40.119 --> 02:02:44.560 a RoCoF Ara cooth sure visited by New Horizons in 2380 02:02:44.560 --> 02:02:48.359 twenty nineteen, is composed of two bodies, one of which 2381 02:02:48.479 --> 02:02:51.279 is pancake shape, although its axis ratios are more like 2382 02:02:51.399 --> 02:02:55.479 two to two to one, so right off the rip, 2383 02:02:56.239 --> 02:02:59.600 its shape makes it, if nothing else, one of the 2384 02:02:59.600 --> 02:03:02.239 biggest anomalies that we have in our existence. 2385 02:03:03.000 --> 02:03:08.680 Right now, you can understand why spectators such as your 2386 02:03:08.680 --> 02:03:15.119 boy Lobe might throw out something that might be not 2387 02:03:15.159 --> 02:03:19.680 necessarily anomalists, but possibly maybe it's a fucking alien. I 2388 02:03:19.680 --> 02:03:21.920 could see why somebody might speculate on that. 2389 02:03:22.399 --> 02:03:24.800 But you also keep in mind you Lobe is a 2390 02:03:24.880 --> 02:03:29.119 professor of astrophysics at Harvard. 2391 02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:30.560 Like, He's not some scrub. 2392 02:03:31.039 --> 02:03:35.800 He's not he's not a he's not a professional conspiracy theorist. 2393 02:03:36.039 --> 02:03:39.479 He is a man of science in academia, and he 2394 02:03:39.960 --> 02:03:42.920 based off of his research in the field to which 2395 02:03:43.600 --> 02:03:47.119 he has quite a stance in and has done the 2396 02:03:47.159 --> 02:03:49.159 work and put in the years and all the stuff, 2397 02:03:49.600 --> 02:03:53.199 he believes that these anomalies are too large to just sidestep. 2398 02:03:54.159 --> 02:03:56.760 Right which which makes it all the more interesting is 2399 02:03:56.840 --> 02:04:01.880 that he is within academia and and probably why he's 2400 02:04:01.920 --> 02:04:04.560 getting so much shit talked about him because they don't 2401 02:04:04.640 --> 02:04:07.159 like they don't like people like that stepping out of 2402 02:04:07.239 --> 02:04:10.319 line with what everybody else is saying. Absolutely, I mean, 2403 02:04:10.359 --> 02:04:13.239 as crazy in hair brained as it might sound, you 2404 02:04:13.279 --> 02:04:15.880 still got to take him somewhat seriously. I mean, just 2405 02:04:15.880 --> 02:04:19.680 for the pedigree that he has, that he holds already 2406 02:04:20.479 --> 02:04:21.479 I know, and. 2407 02:04:21.399 --> 02:04:23.680 Now there will be people that say that we can't 2408 02:04:23.680 --> 02:04:26.479 trust academia because it's all part of the Rockefeller system 2409 02:04:26.479 --> 02:04:29.199 of education, and how would you try anything out of 2410 02:04:29.239 --> 02:04:32.399 the TechBook, Which, okay, I can acknowledge that that is 2411 02:04:32.399 --> 02:04:34.039 a true statement. There's merit to that. 2412 02:04:34.800 --> 02:04:35.760 There is merit to that. 2413 02:04:35.920 --> 02:04:39.079 However, again, if this dude has built a thirty or 2414 02:04:39.119 --> 02:04:44.359 forty year career off of knowing about astrophysics and space 2415 02:04:44.479 --> 02:04:47.520 and stars and all these things, I feel like he's 2416 02:04:47.560 --> 02:04:50.960 speaking with a little more weight behind his words than 2417 02:04:51.000 --> 02:04:55.279 your average Joe Blow, who you know has read some 2418 02:04:55.399 --> 02:04:58.039 articles off of the internet as me and you do. 2419 02:04:59.000 --> 02:05:01.600 That's just my no agree to and I would say that, 2420 02:05:01.760 --> 02:05:06.720 you know, his thought process wouldn't even necessarily be correlating with, 2421 02:05:07.159 --> 02:05:10.560 you know, academia, because academia would lead you to believe 2422 02:05:10.640 --> 02:05:13.880 that the majority of scientists who get something right is 2423 02:05:13.960 --> 02:05:17.399 that's just what is right, you know. So I don't 2424 02:05:17.439 --> 02:05:20.439 know if he's necessarily he's definitely not going with academia 2425 02:05:20.520 --> 02:05:20.920 right now. 2426 02:05:21.119 --> 02:05:26.239 He's opposite way. Yeah, which, which let's just be real. 2427 02:05:26.880 --> 02:05:29.199 Maybe he's doing it to sell books because he does 2428 02:05:29.239 --> 02:05:30.039 have something to gain. 2429 02:05:30.279 --> 02:05:32.000 It was a New York Times bestseller. 2430 02:05:32.800 --> 02:05:33.319 I don't know. 2431 02:05:33.800 --> 02:05:35.760 You know that you got to look at all the 2432 02:05:35.800 --> 02:05:37.399 different angles with this kind of stuff. 2433 02:05:37.600 --> 02:05:38.560 Maybe he's true. 2434 02:05:38.560 --> 02:05:40.840 Maybe he's not making that fucking kind of chetta cheese 2435 02:05:40.880 --> 02:05:43.119 working at Harvard. I don't know what you know, professors 2436 02:05:43.119 --> 02:05:44.000 of it at Harvard make. 2437 02:05:44.239 --> 02:05:47.960 Maybe it's not enough. It's very possible. I don't know. 2438 02:05:49.000 --> 02:05:52.720 I don't know. But watching interviews with him and things, 2439 02:05:52.880 --> 02:05:55.640 he doesn't seem like a grifter. He seems like a believer. 2440 02:05:56.760 --> 02:05:59.000 I'll say that much. I think that he really does 2441 02:05:59.079 --> 02:06:02.680 stand by what he is saying. I don't think he's 2442 02:06:02.680 --> 02:06:04.000 doing it just for the hype. 2443 02:06:04.119 --> 02:06:06.279 Well that makes me want to buy the book then, like, 2444 02:06:06.399 --> 02:06:09.479 And that's my thing is that you know, there's there's 2445 02:06:09.479 --> 02:06:11.960 a there's a conversation to be had with you know, 2446 02:06:12.039 --> 02:06:15.039 who's wrong and who's right, and and people that are 2447 02:06:15.079 --> 02:06:17.560 just looking to gain money as opposed to people that 2448 02:06:18.079 --> 02:06:21.920 are being original and they actually believe something, I personally 2449 02:06:21.960 --> 02:06:24.720 will always go and I would want to listen to 2450 02:06:24.760 --> 02:06:28.920 the guy that actually believes in his counter argument, whether 2451 02:06:28.960 --> 02:06:32.520 it's true or not. That that's beside the point. My 2452 02:06:32.600 --> 02:06:35.199 point is is that it's it adds a little bit 2453 02:06:35.199 --> 02:06:38.119 more validity to me that he believes it wholeheartedly. 2454 02:06:38.920 --> 02:06:40.840 But that's the thing too, it's not just like a 2455 02:06:40.880 --> 02:06:44.439 faith based thing either. He is showing his receipts as 2456 02:06:44.479 --> 02:06:47.239 to why he believes it. He's applying logic to it. 2457 02:06:47.399 --> 02:06:49.760 And I agree with you, I am I'm more inclined 2458 02:06:49.800 --> 02:06:53.000 to believe him as of this moment. And it's not 2459 02:06:53.039 --> 02:06:55.800 even because most of the other people in academia that 2460 02:06:55.840 --> 02:06:58.800 are trying to shit all over Lowe, they can show 2461 02:06:58.840 --> 02:07:01.520 their receipts as to why they believe what they believe 2462 02:07:01.560 --> 02:07:03.239 about it, right, So it's. 2463 02:07:02.960 --> 02:07:05.560 Literally he said versus she said. 2464 02:07:05.600 --> 02:07:11.159 On this however, none of them, including Lobe, have any 2465 02:07:11.319 --> 02:07:14.239 actual proof or have any actual. 2466 02:07:13.920 --> 02:07:15.439 Like this has to be what it is. 2467 02:07:15.960 --> 02:07:20.239 It's all theories, it's all speculation, it's all hypotheticals at 2468 02:07:20.239 --> 02:07:20.840 this point, and. 2469 02:07:21.239 --> 02:07:23.640 If this guy is able to take the same data 2470 02:07:23.680 --> 02:07:25.960 that everybody else is getting and he's able to interpret 2471 02:07:25.960 --> 02:07:29.159 it differently, I feel like that that's at least worth 2472 02:07:29.199 --> 02:07:29.720 listening to. 2473 02:07:30.520 --> 02:07:35.279 Yeah, absolutely, especially because all the other people, although they 2474 02:07:35.279 --> 02:07:38.640 are the masses as far as this it's concerned, none 2475 02:07:38.680 --> 02:07:45.880 of their perspectives make sense either. Like it's not, none 2476 02:07:45.920 --> 02:07:47.560 of it does. We're gonna get to more of it 2477 02:07:47.560 --> 02:07:51.159 in a minute. The reason why, I'll kind of jump 2478 02:07:51.239 --> 02:07:55.520 ahead here for a second, The reason why they think 2479 02:07:55.960 --> 02:08:01.640 that a moa moa sped off from the Sun is 2480 02:08:01.680 --> 02:08:07.600 because they believe that it had pockets of hydrogen embedded 2481 02:08:08.079 --> 02:08:10.840 into it, and when it got close enough to the Sun, 2482 02:08:11.479 --> 02:08:15.800 this hydrogen expanded and burned off and acted like a 2483 02:08:15.920 --> 02:08:16.920 rocket propulsion. 2484 02:08:17.000 --> 02:08:17.920 That's scent it off. 2485 02:08:19.399 --> 02:08:29.039 Okay, not impossible, No, it's not impossible. Here's my issue, right, 2486 02:08:29.119 --> 02:08:31.680 you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna stop sharing the screen 2487 02:08:31.720 --> 02:08:32.399 for just a minute. 2488 02:08:32.399 --> 02:08:34.479 All right, here's my issue with this. 2489 02:08:36.119 --> 02:08:39.000 Let's say this this hook of ape for the sense 2490 02:08:39.039 --> 02:08:41.680 of the argument of it being a cigar shape, which 2491 02:08:41.680 --> 02:08:43.960 we don't believe anymore. They did it first, They don't 2492 02:08:43.960 --> 02:08:46.199 think so anymore. But let's just say this, Okay, take 2493 02:08:46.239 --> 02:08:46.720 that part off. 2494 02:08:46.720 --> 02:08:46.960 Boom. 2495 02:08:46.960 --> 02:08:50.800 We got this cylinder cool, and it's going by this 2496 02:08:51.359 --> 02:08:56.279 heat source. And if there's that much hydrogen pockets all 2497 02:08:56.359 --> 02:09:01.039 over it, why would it be directionally pushing it one way? 2498 02:09:01.560 --> 02:09:04.319 If the entire thing heated up by the sun, wouldn't 2499 02:09:04.359 --> 02:09:06.600 it be expanding in all directions from it like a 2500 02:09:06.640 --> 02:09:09.760 hand grenade. That wouldn't send it off like a rocket 2501 02:09:09.840 --> 02:09:11.000 in a specific direction. 2502 02:09:11.840 --> 02:09:15.239 Well, And also if it has those hydrogen pockets on 2503 02:09:15.279 --> 02:09:18.399 there that are allowing it to expand, wouldn't I would 2504 02:09:18.439 --> 02:09:20.800 almost think that it would cause it to explode in. 2505 02:09:20.720 --> 02:09:22.960 General like a hand grenade exactly. 2506 02:09:23.800 --> 02:09:27.359 So why would there be a remaining object after that? 2507 02:09:28.079 --> 02:09:29.039 Right? That? 2508 02:09:29.039 --> 02:09:34.560 That makes zero sense to me, But that is you're 2509 02:09:34.600 --> 02:09:36.960 gonna if anybody looks this up at muha, muha, and 2510 02:09:37.000 --> 02:09:41.640 what happened right, The going quote unquote expert narrative at 2511 02:09:41.640 --> 02:09:45.560 this time is that trapped gases inside of this rock, 2512 02:09:45.680 --> 02:09:46.960 which okay, let's say. 2513 02:09:46.840 --> 02:09:49.319 It is a let's say it is even. 2514 02:09:49.439 --> 02:09:53.640 The pancake shape, right cylinder, and it goes by the 2515 02:09:53.680 --> 02:09:56.039 moon and it's not I'm sorry, the sun. It's spinning 2516 02:09:56.079 --> 02:09:58.920 this way. It's kind of wobbling a little bit. It's tumbling, 2517 02:09:58.920 --> 02:10:01.880 it's doing all these things. If the gas is trapped 2518 02:10:01.880 --> 02:10:05.079 inside of that were to expand the same thing, it 2519 02:10:05.119 --> 02:10:08.640 would go off in all directions. It wouldn't kind of 2520 02:10:08.680 --> 02:10:10.560 have a fuse and take off like a bottle rocket 2521 02:10:10.560 --> 02:10:13.640 out of one port. That's not the way heat transfer works, 2522 02:10:13.760 --> 02:10:16.520 especially on an object that's small. It's not like this 2523 02:10:16.600 --> 02:10:19.520 was the size of a small planet. This was one 2524 02:10:19.560 --> 02:10:21.720 thousand meters long. Arguably. 2525 02:10:23.680 --> 02:10:26.960 Well, Jacob, it's an interesting fact that you bring that 2526 02:10:27.199 --> 02:10:32.960 up there, sir, that silver disc like thing, and then 2527 02:10:33.039 --> 02:10:36.000 you talk about it in correlation with the moon. The 2528 02:10:36.039 --> 02:10:39.479 moon is always associated with silver, and we have some 2529 02:10:39.520 --> 02:10:41.920 silver things we do. 2530 02:10:42.039 --> 02:10:44.560 Indeed, Wow, the lid actually it's a lid for some 2531 02:10:45.680 --> 02:10:47.760 beef product that I take as a matter of fact. 2532 02:10:47.800 --> 02:10:50.960 It's a ground up beef, beef heart. But yeah, that 2533 02:10:51.079 --> 02:10:52.760 was a lid for that. 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Right now, it's still affordable. 2556 02:11:41.760 --> 02:11:43.800 Why you can get your hands on some of this? 2557 02:11:44.239 --> 02:11:46.159 Now is the time to buy once again, go to 2558 02:11:46.239 --> 02:11:47.720 cocsilver dot com. 2559 02:11:47.760 --> 02:11:50.800 The link is in the description below. By the way, 2560 02:11:50.840 --> 02:11:52.680 segue Jonathan, You're welcome, sir. 2561 02:11:53.039 --> 02:11:55.399 By the way, this is going to be totally off topic, 2562 02:11:55.439 --> 02:11:57.840 but I saw this shit earlier today dude, did you 2563 02:11:57.920 --> 02:12:00.920 hear about what Africa just found? I think it was 2564 02:12:01.119 --> 02:12:04.680 like either today or here it was. It was published 2565 02:12:04.840 --> 02:12:09.079 July seventh, so that was last month. Africa just found 2566 02:12:09.399 --> 02:12:12.800 literally found it as they were digging and mining and 2567 02:12:12.840 --> 02:12:16.640 shit like that. They found thirty one million tons of 2568 02:12:16.680 --> 02:12:19.239 gold worth twelve trillion dollars. 2569 02:12:19.840 --> 02:12:24.039 Cool. They about to be rich. No they're not. No, 2570 02:12:24.079 --> 02:12:26.560 they're not. Africa might get a couple hundred mili of that. 2571 02:12:28.239 --> 02:12:29.640 I mean depending on that. 2572 02:12:29.640 --> 02:12:31.880 That's how slave mining works. Dude. If you go and 2573 02:12:31.920 --> 02:12:33.800 watch like, have you ever seen the movie Blood Diamond. 2574 02:12:33.920 --> 02:12:37.560 No, I was talking about the country maybe the what 2575 02:12:37.680 --> 02:12:38.800 says it was in Uganda. 2576 02:12:40.680 --> 02:12:42.000 So here's how that works. 2577 02:12:42.079 --> 02:12:44.880 Let's say that you found one hundred dollars worth of 2578 02:12:44.920 --> 02:12:47.840 gold in the mines that day. Once you bring it 2579 02:12:47.880 --> 02:12:49.640 to your person and they go to their person and 2580 02:12:49.720 --> 02:12:51.960 they go to their person, the person who found that 2581 02:12:52.079 --> 02:12:52.720 might get. 2582 02:12:52.560 --> 02:12:55.119 Ten dollars for it. Of that hundred. 2583 02:12:55.359 --> 02:12:58.239 Maybe if the person who's running their mind is like 2584 02:12:58.399 --> 02:13:00.760 kind to them, right, the government man of the leaders 2585 02:13:00.800 --> 02:13:01.840 would get it right. 2586 02:13:02.199 --> 02:13:04.279 Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I was gonna get the 2587 02:13:04.279 --> 02:13:04.720 big cutt. 2588 02:13:04.920 --> 02:13:07.000 No, I'm not saying like you ge't some Beverly hillbilly 2589 02:13:07.000 --> 02:13:10.079 type shit. I'm talking about the country just richer. 2590 02:13:10.720 --> 02:13:12.640 Yeah, at least for a little bit. They're gonna blow 2591 02:13:12.680 --> 02:13:16.479 it as they do. But yeah, wow, that is insane though, So. 2592 02:13:17.640 --> 02:13:22.640 Twelve brillion dollars worth. Imagine just finding that twelve trillion. 2593 02:13:23.159 --> 02:13:25.600 I'm pretty sure that's like the world's debt, isn't it. 2594 02:13:26.159 --> 02:13:28.479 Oh no, no, no, hell, America's debts more than that, 2595 02:13:29.920 --> 02:13:30.199 is it? 2596 02:13:30.760 --> 02:13:37.319 Oh yeah, our budget just went up five trillion cud lord, Yeah, yeah, 2597 02:13:37.359 --> 02:13:38.920 it's I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying 2598 02:13:38.920 --> 02:13:41.359 to like undercut the incredible. 2599 02:13:41.039 --> 02:13:43.840 Find that the national debt of America is thirty six trillion, 2600 02:13:43.880 --> 02:13:47.680 literally three times that. Fine, that is crazy. How in 2601 02:13:47.760 --> 02:13:50.560 debt we are? That is on and the irs wants 2602 02:13:50.560 --> 02:13:55.239 to come after individuals. Kim on, yeah, kim shit, get 2603 02:13:55.279 --> 02:13:56.359 the fuck out of here. 2604 02:13:56.960 --> 02:13:59.720 No, I didn't hear about that. Fine, that's excellent. Shit, 2605 02:14:00.000 --> 02:14:02.279 probably talk about that on a Cajun Night episode this week. 2606 02:14:02.319 --> 02:14:03.000 Fuck yeah. 2607 02:14:04.039 --> 02:14:06.479 Anyway, all right, to get back to the sharing of 2608 02:14:06.520 --> 02:14:08.159 the screen, and let's get to it. So I'm going 2609 02:14:08.199 --> 02:14:11.399 to jump ahead a little bit to the major argument 2610 02:14:11.560 --> 02:14:16.199 of Albedo, right or the reflective nature of a muhamah 2611 02:14:16.359 --> 02:14:19.359 The claim a muamoa reflected at least ten times as 2612 02:14:19.439 --> 02:14:22.439 much light as a typical Solar system object, making it 2613 02:14:22.520 --> 02:14:25.840 much more consistent with a mirror or reflective solar sale 2614 02:14:26.000 --> 02:14:27.359 rather than a natural body. 2615 02:14:28.319 --> 02:14:29.039 Truth of the. 2616 02:14:29.039 --> 02:14:32.039 Matter is that, first, even if a muhamua reflected ninety 2617 02:14:32.079 --> 02:14:34.560 percent of the light hitting it, giving it an albedo 2618 02:14:34.640 --> 02:14:37.439 of zero point nine, that would make it just as 2619 02:14:37.479 --> 02:14:40.479 shiny as many icy bodies in our solar system, including 2620 02:14:40.520 --> 02:14:43.560 the large or Coopler belt object. 2621 02:14:43.640 --> 02:14:44.840 Eris what is it? 2622 02:14:44.920 --> 02:14:46.760 I think they pronounced it Kuiper belt. 2623 02:14:47.840 --> 02:14:51.439 Oh that's i Kuiper belt. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, okay. 2624 02:14:52.079 --> 02:14:54.439 But the albita of a muhamoa is unknown. 2625 02:14:54.560 --> 02:14:56.600 In fact, it is impossible to note from a single 2626 02:14:56.640 --> 02:14:59.880 measurement the brightness whether it was very large but a 2627 02:15:00.079 --> 02:15:03.119 dark body or a very small but reflective body. Just 2628 02:15:03.159 --> 02:15:05.680 how shiny we infer a solar system body to be 2629 02:15:05.920 --> 02:15:08.560 depends on how big we determine it to be, because 2630 02:15:08.560 --> 02:15:11.199 we know their sizes. It has been determined that asteroids 2631 02:15:11.199 --> 02:15:14.920 typically have a reflectiveness of five to twenty percent up 2632 02:15:14.960 --> 02:15:18.760 to fifty percent. The dusting nuclei of comets range from 2633 02:15:18.800 --> 02:15:22.399 two percent to seven percent, and Pluto surface is about 2634 02:15:22.439 --> 02:15:25.640 sixty to seventy percent. All we know about the size 2635 02:15:25.640 --> 02:15:28.000 of a muhamua is that it was not detected by 2636 02:15:28.039 --> 02:15:32.000 the Spitzer space telescope, which would have detected the infrared 2637 02:15:32.079 --> 02:15:36.439 radiation if it exceeded a certain size. Therefore, a muhamua 2638 02:15:36.520 --> 02:15:39.279 could not have been too extreme in the large and 2639 02:15:39.399 --> 02:15:42.359 dark category. But this only tells us that its albedo 2640 02:15:42.479 --> 02:15:45.279 must be greater than four percent. Almost any Solar system 2641 02:15:45.319 --> 02:15:48.920 body would fit that. Bill okay, so basically saying that 2642 02:15:49.359 --> 02:15:52.720 his claim about it being a crazy shape. 2643 02:15:52.560 --> 02:15:56.560 Not so much or the propulsion rather the claim. 2644 02:15:56.279 --> 02:16:01.000 About its shininess albedo being more than anything else. 2645 02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:02.359 That's also not really true. 2646 02:16:02.399 --> 02:16:03.880 And we could see in the videos of it, as 2647 02:16:03.920 --> 02:16:06.439 a matter of fact, it got dimmer and brighter, but 2648 02:16:06.479 --> 02:16:08.319 that was because of its tumble and its rotation. 2649 02:16:08.880 --> 02:16:10.359 But you know, neither here nor there. 2650 02:16:10.520 --> 02:16:12.279 Well, they probably couldn't get it right because it was 2651 02:16:12.319 --> 02:16:16.680 a Spitzer, which means it's a quitter, is what it is, right. 2652 02:16:18.640 --> 02:16:20.439 You know spitzers as too. 2653 02:16:22.239 --> 02:16:26.239 So another major argument is non gravitational acceleration without evidence 2654 02:16:26.319 --> 02:16:31.920 of outgassing or dissintegration. Uh, the claim a muamu experienced 2655 02:16:31.920 --> 02:16:35.479 an acceleration distinct from gravity as it left the Sun, 2656 02:16:35.600 --> 02:16:38.799 unlike any experience by any natural Solar System body, and 2657 02:16:38.840 --> 02:16:40.840 therefore must not be natural. 2658 02:16:41.079 --> 02:16:46.920 All right, here's where we're going to get to some silliness. Okay, truth. 2659 02:16:47.159 --> 02:16:50.600 According to the writer, a muhamou definitely experience a non 2660 02:16:50.639 --> 02:16:54.360 gravitational acceleration as determined by its position in the sky, 2661 02:16:54.680 --> 02:16:58.440 especially as fixed by the final observant observation rather of 2662 02:16:58.479 --> 02:17:02.239 a muama by the Hubble telescope. Important to bear in mind, 2663 02:17:02.559 --> 02:17:07.040 a muamua conformed almost exactly to a hyperbolic orbit around 2664 02:17:07.079 --> 02:17:10.559 the Sun due to gravity alone. It is not as 2665 02:17:10.600 --> 02:17:13.440 if it took a right angle turn to check out 2666 02:17:13.479 --> 02:17:16.639 Earth then zipped over to Mars. Loebe's claim is not 2667 02:17:16.719 --> 02:17:20.239 that it took such a turn that, but that the 2668 02:17:20.280 --> 02:17:24.639 fact that it deviated at all implies that it's so 2669 02:17:24.879 --> 02:17:29.159 light that even sunlight could push it around, and that 2670 02:17:29.760 --> 02:17:33.120 this argues it is not a large, massive object like 2671 02:17:33.159 --> 02:17:35.520 a comet or an asteroid, but something designed to be 2672 02:17:35.600 --> 02:17:40.159 gently pushed by starlight, like a light sale. But this 2673 02:17:40.200 --> 02:17:43.959 slight deviation from a purely gravitational orbit was not that 2674 02:17:44.159 --> 02:17:48.280 unusual comet's routinely experienced non gravitational acceleration that pushes them 2675 02:17:48.280 --> 02:17:51.719 away from the sun slightly. This acceleration depends on the 2676 02:17:51.719 --> 02:17:54.479 amount of sunlight striking the comet and heating its surface, 2677 02:17:54.600 --> 02:17:57.360 and so it varies as the reciprocal of the distance 2678 02:17:57.360 --> 02:18:00.799 from the Sun squared. That's because the acceleration depends on 2679 02:18:00.840 --> 02:18:05.600 the quote unquote rocket effect. Sublimation of surface ices. What 2680 02:18:05.680 --> 02:18:09.520 that means for anybody who doesn't know when something goes sublime, 2681 02:18:09.959 --> 02:18:12.440 that means that. All right, So we understand there's solids, liquids, 2682 02:18:12.440 --> 02:18:15.479 and gases. Right for this conversation, take plasma and put 2683 02:18:15.479 --> 02:18:18.559 it to the side for just a second. Right, When 2684 02:18:18.600 --> 02:18:20.959 something goes from a liquid to a gas, that would 2685 02:18:20.959 --> 02:18:21.920 be evaporation. 2686 02:18:22.559 --> 02:18:22.760 Right. 2687 02:18:23.120 --> 02:18:25.159 When something goes from a gas to a liquid, that's 2688 02:18:25.200 --> 02:18:29.639 called condensation. When something goes from a solid straight to 2689 02:18:29.680 --> 02:18:34.000 a gas, that's called going sublime. That's called sublimation. 2690 02:18:34.520 --> 02:18:34.719 Right. 2691 02:18:34.799 --> 02:18:37.680 An example of this would be dry ice. Whenever you 2692 02:18:37.760 --> 02:18:41.920 drop it in water, it goes sublime. Okay. 2693 02:18:42.120 --> 02:18:45.040 I just always thought that it meant that it doesn't 2694 02:18:45.040 --> 02:18:45.959 practice santoria. 2695 02:18:47.239 --> 02:18:49.399 It ain't got no crystal ball, And if it had 2696 02:18:49.440 --> 02:18:54.239 a million dollars. It's spend it all. God, we're stupid. 2697 02:18:54.280 --> 02:18:58.520 Dad's I know, I know, Sublime just out there doing 2698 02:18:58.559 --> 02:19:00.799 it until he died. Anyway, neither here nor there. 2699 02:19:00.879 --> 02:19:05.000 So it was basically saying that the trapped frozen liquids 2700 02:19:05.079 --> 02:19:06.719 on the surface of this when it goes by the 2701 02:19:06.760 --> 02:19:11.520 sun would sublimate right go sublime, which causes gases to 2702 02:19:11.559 --> 02:19:15.000 push off of the sunlit side, accelerating the commet outward. 2703 02:19:15.360 --> 02:19:19.520 The acceleration experienced by a muhamoa also varied as one 2704 02:19:19.639 --> 02:19:24.000 over are squared strongly implicating sunlight as well, technically measured 2705 02:19:24.040 --> 02:19:26.319 to b r to the power of a with somewhere 2706 02:19:26.360 --> 02:19:29.799 between negative one point five and negative two. I'm not 2707 02:19:29.840 --> 02:19:31.920 smart enough at matt to know what they're talking about, 2708 02:19:31.920 --> 02:19:33.559 but it sounds like they know a thing or two. 2709 02:19:33.559 --> 02:19:37.239 But anyway, for comments, the typical acceleration from this effect 2710 02:19:37.440 --> 02:19:41.319 is zero point zero one percent of the strength of 2711 02:19:41.319 --> 02:19:45.159 the gravitational acceleration for a muama it was closer to 2712 02:19:45.399 --> 02:19:47.959 point one percent of the strength of the gravity. So 2713 02:19:48.079 --> 02:19:51.159 this is indeed somewhat anomalous. I mean, it's ten times stronger, 2714 02:19:51.639 --> 02:19:54.879 ten times stronger, and you're saying that that's from something 2715 02:19:54.920 --> 02:19:55.799 going sublime. 2716 02:19:55.879 --> 02:19:57.440 And here's my issue with this. 2717 02:19:57.959 --> 02:20:01.840 When commets have that happen, you see the cone behind it, 2718 02:20:02.239 --> 02:20:04.719 you see that tail behind it, because that is the 2719 02:20:04.760 --> 02:20:07.120 gases that just burned off of the surface of it. 2720 02:20:07.639 --> 02:20:09.040 A muamua had none of that. 2721 02:20:09.760 --> 02:20:12.600 Nothing went sublime on that, and we know that because 2722 02:20:12.639 --> 02:20:13.799 we tracked it on the hubble. 2723 02:20:14.280 --> 02:20:17.959 So their entire point that they're making here is debunked. 2724 02:20:18.159 --> 02:20:21.920 But all right, but does this large acceleration rule out 2725 02:20:21.959 --> 02:20:25.159 the rocket effect? Not necessarily, as the force from the 2726 02:20:25.239 --> 02:20:28.040 rocket effect is proportional to the amount of surface area 2727 02:20:28.159 --> 02:20:31.280 on the object, but the inertia of the object is 2728 02:20:31.319 --> 02:20:32.719 proportional to its mass. 2729 02:20:33.040 --> 02:20:35.719 Small bodies have more surface area per mass. You can 2730 02:20:35.760 --> 02:20:38.719 see this by considering chopping up a cucumber. The amount 2731 02:20:38.760 --> 02:20:41.959 of the mass of the cucumber is the same after chopping, 2732 02:20:42.280 --> 02:20:44.600 but the surface area of all of the pieces is 2733 02:20:44.639 --> 02:20:47.719 far greater than when we only have the green skin 2734 02:20:48.079 --> 02:20:51.559 like it was on the outside. Okay, this means they 2735 02:20:51.559 --> 02:20:55.120 will experience a much larger rocket effect inversely proportional to 2736 02:20:55.200 --> 02:20:58.120 their size. So what they're saying is that the smaller 2737 02:20:58.159 --> 02:21:02.559 object will receive a larger rocket effect proportional to their size. 2738 02:21:03.159 --> 02:21:06.360 This thing was not big at all. And I'm not 2739 02:21:06.399 --> 02:21:09.479 saying that it experienced a rocket effect because again, there 2740 02:21:09.559 --> 02:21:13.319 was no signs of sublimation happening to be used as 2741 02:21:13.399 --> 02:21:14.159 its propulsion. 2742 02:21:14.920 --> 02:21:17.159 All we know is that it came directly right. 2743 02:21:17.600 --> 02:21:20.600 You see this, It passed right by the Earth, between 2744 02:21:20.639 --> 02:21:23.719 the Earth and the Sun, and then zipped off at 2745 02:21:23.760 --> 02:21:27.399 one hundred and ninety six thousand miles per hour. Yeah, 2746 02:21:27.440 --> 02:21:31.440 it seems to be a bit of a hard angle there, right. 2747 02:21:31.719 --> 02:21:33.879 It didn't take a direct current turn and come check 2748 02:21:33.920 --> 02:21:35.959 out Earth and zip over to go see Mars. 2749 02:21:36.360 --> 02:21:37.159 No, it didn't. 2750 02:21:37.479 --> 02:21:40.920 It didn't because as far as we know, Mars doesn't 2751 02:21:40.920 --> 02:21:43.760 have life on it, but we have life on Earth. 2752 02:21:44.520 --> 02:21:48.079 So I mean kind of sent to. 2753 02:21:47.159 --> 02:21:50.719 Do a little intel, little intelligence gathering, a little research. 2754 02:21:51.520 --> 02:21:53.799 I mean, who's to say that if it is alien, 2755 02:21:53.840 --> 02:21:56.239 that they wouldn't have the technology to just be able 2756 02:21:56.280 --> 02:21:58.959 to dip into a solar system and gather all the 2757 02:21:59.040 --> 02:22:04.079 day that that that that they would need Almost like ummmm, 2758 02:22:04.680 --> 02:22:06.760 I don't know, Like you don't need to be right 2759 02:22:06.840 --> 02:22:10.120 next to your Wi Fi router to have Internet that 2760 02:22:10.200 --> 02:22:11.719 you could just be in the vicinity of it. 2761 02:22:12.639 --> 02:22:16.399 Okay, fair enough, This is what I'm saying. They're trying 2762 02:22:16.440 --> 02:22:19.760 to like debunk lobes claims, but they really can't even 2763 02:22:19.760 --> 02:22:23.479 by their own emission right. Speaking of the next claim, 2764 02:22:23.639 --> 02:22:28.159 a muamo's deviation from its ordinary orbit via outgassing requires 2765 02:22:28.200 --> 02:22:30.360 it to have lost ten percent of its mass. 2766 02:22:31.440 --> 02:22:34.600 Here's the truth of it. This is true. 2767 02:22:34.639 --> 02:22:37.639 They literally just said that that's accurate, but it's not 2768 02:22:37.879 --> 02:22:42.399 inconsistent with natural objects, especially if a muhamo was composed 2769 02:22:42.440 --> 02:22:46.719 of most mostly ices and not rock. Indeed, as with 2770 02:22:46.840 --> 02:22:50.440 the bar of bath soap after many uses, extreme amounts 2771 02:22:50.479 --> 02:22:55.879 of mass loss also explains its large axis ratios. But 2772 02:22:56.000 --> 02:22:59.280 it didn't lose ten percent of its mass. It was 2773 02:22:59.360 --> 02:23:02.639 the same side as it was the entire time. It 2774 02:23:02.680 --> 02:23:06.159 didn't lose shape in any way, shape or form, So 2775 02:23:06.239 --> 02:23:10.719 again it doesn't really make sense. Another claim low rightes 2776 02:23:10.760 --> 02:23:14.879 that comets are ungainly rocks. They're rough and irregular surfaces 2777 02:23:14.920 --> 02:23:18.959 retain unevenly distributed ice. As the sun melts the ice 2778 02:23:19.120 --> 02:23:22.879 and the outgassing produces propulsion, it does not, or it 2779 02:23:22.920 --> 02:23:25.760 does sot across that rough and pitted surface. 2780 02:23:26.200 --> 02:23:30.639 The result is a herky jerky acceleration. Truth. There are 2781 02:23:30.680 --> 02:23:31.600 two ways that we. 2782 02:23:31.559 --> 02:23:35.440 Could measure the acceleration of a muamua by its deviation 2783 02:23:35.639 --> 02:23:39.040 from a hyperbolic path through the Solar System and its 2784 02:23:39.120 --> 02:23:42.719 rotation period changed. The first of these we just don't 2785 02:23:42.760 --> 02:23:45.440 know about. Our measurements of its path through the Solar 2786 02:23:45.440 --> 02:23:47.920 System are too sparse to say if it accelerate if 2787 02:23:47.959 --> 02:23:52.040 its acceleration was smooth as for the rotation period. Lobe 2788 02:23:52.040 --> 02:23:56.120 sites of paper by Roman Raphikov, who finds that the 2789 02:23:56.159 --> 02:23:59.719 outgassing required to explain to muamus acceleration would have provided 2790 02:23:59.760 --> 02:24:02.959 a tork, spinning it up to speeds much faster than 2791 02:24:03.000 --> 02:24:06.399 we observed it tumbling and likely breaking it into pieces. 2792 02:24:06.719 --> 02:24:08.079 Yet this only holds. 2793 02:24:07.799 --> 02:24:10.399 True if all of a mumamooa outgas from a single 2794 02:24:10.399 --> 02:24:14.319 stationary jet. Subsequent studies have shown that if a mumamooa's 2795 02:24:14.399 --> 02:24:18.879 jet instead followed the substellar point, the spin that would 2796 02:24:18.920 --> 02:24:21.280 be induced would not lead to the breakup, but would 2797 02:24:21.280 --> 02:24:23.920 instead match the observed tumbling rotation. 2798 02:24:25.079 --> 02:24:27.200 I again, I don't agree with this, dude. 2799 02:24:27.399 --> 02:24:29.840 So you're saying that the only way it could have 2800 02:24:29.840 --> 02:24:33.000 broke apart is if it all did. It's outgassing from 2801 02:24:33.079 --> 02:24:36.760 one point, But if it outgases from all the points 2802 02:24:36.799 --> 02:24:39.040 all together, then it's going to take it off like 2803 02:24:39.079 --> 02:24:39.600 a rocket. 2804 02:24:39.879 --> 02:24:40.959 That makes no sense. 2805 02:24:41.040 --> 02:24:43.920 If it outgases from all of its points at one time, 2806 02:24:44.440 --> 02:24:46.239 that's going to go off like a hand grenade and 2807 02:24:46.280 --> 02:24:49.399 it's going to explode it. If it outgases from one point, 2808 02:24:49.479 --> 02:24:52.040 it would be like a bottle rocket, like we observed. 2809 02:24:52.360 --> 02:24:54.280 So you see what I'm saying. They're stepping over their 2810 02:24:54.319 --> 02:24:55.280 own thesis here. 2811 02:24:55.520 --> 02:24:58.440 I just don't understand how you say we don't know 2812 02:24:58.479 --> 02:25:01.760 what it was, but it was, isn't that right? 2813 02:25:02.200 --> 02:25:02.360 Yes? 2814 02:25:03.559 --> 02:25:07.159 Okay, So, and the article keeps going on and if 2815 02:25:07.159 --> 02:25:10.559 anybody wants to read it, it's from planetplanet dot net. 2816 02:25:11.399 --> 02:25:12.760 It's all good. It's all good. 2817 02:25:12.840 --> 02:25:16.120 So there's a theory to say that it was a 2818 02:25:16.200 --> 02:25:19.719 natural object. And like we heard from the doctor earlier, 2819 02:25:20.200 --> 02:25:23.319 maybe it was a breakoff from a solar system when 2820 02:25:23.360 --> 02:25:27.520 it was being formed, right, a remnant of a big bang, 2821 02:25:27.760 --> 02:25:30.959 for lack of better words, or the collapsing of a star. 2822 02:25:31.280 --> 02:25:34.159 It's not a very calm process. 2823 02:25:34.200 --> 02:25:38.120 It's quite violent, and maybe it blew apart something of 2824 02:25:38.159 --> 02:25:40.639 a much larger scale, and this was a piece of 2825 02:25:40.680 --> 02:25:43.840 debris from that that's just been hurtling through space and 2826 02:25:44.040 --> 02:25:49.120 just through sheer accidental and coincidences happened to come near 2827 02:25:49.200 --> 02:25:52.000 our earth and there is nothing more to see here. 2828 02:25:52.760 --> 02:25:55.719 Got to tell you that I am not of that belief, 2829 02:25:56.319 --> 02:25:58.559 notwith looking at everything that there is to look. 2830 02:25:58.440 --> 02:25:59.319 At with the Muhamua. 2831 02:26:01.840 --> 02:26:06.120 Yeah, the way that it's acting is very unnatural. And uh, 2832 02:26:06.239 --> 02:26:09.120 they don't even necessarily they can't even necessarily agree on 2833 02:26:09.200 --> 02:26:11.840 the shape of it, let alone how it would be propulsed, 2834 02:26:13.079 --> 02:26:16.719 let alone, like you know where it came from before 2835 02:26:17.440 --> 02:26:20.360 you know, we we noticed it, which wasn't until after 2836 02:26:20.399 --> 02:26:23.440 it fucking passed us. Right, So to say that you 2837 02:26:23.559 --> 02:26:25.920 have all the information to be able to debunk certain 2838 02:26:25.959 --> 02:26:28.440 theories is bunk in and of itself. 2839 02:26:28.840 --> 02:26:32.319 I agree one hundred percent. Now, like we said earlier, 2840 02:26:32.760 --> 02:26:35.840 I'm not saying that this is artificial. I'm not not 2841 02:26:35.920 --> 02:26:38.920 saying that. I'm saying that it's possible that this is 2842 02:26:39.639 --> 02:26:43.520 made of the same types of materials that commets and 2843 02:26:43.559 --> 02:26:46.680 meteors are made out of. But at the same time, 2844 02:26:46.799 --> 02:26:50.120 perhaps it's been taken in use for a different purpose 2845 02:26:50.280 --> 02:26:52.639 by an intelligent being from somewhere else. 2846 02:26:52.840 --> 02:26:53.360 I don't know. 2847 02:26:53.959 --> 02:26:59.840 The outgassing conversation I think is completely debunked the radio 2848 02:27:00.000 --> 02:27:03.120 frequencies that that group was trying to you know, have 2849 02:27:03.200 --> 02:27:07.200 contact with it. They only ran it for a certain range. 2850 02:27:07.360 --> 02:27:09.639 There's no way that they could have captured it because 2851 02:27:09.639 --> 02:27:11.879 they were casting it with what they thought was the 2852 02:27:11.920 --> 02:27:14.639 widest net possible. Bro, we don't even know if they're 2853 02:27:14.639 --> 02:27:18.120 communicating through radio waves, like, we don't know what they 2854 02:27:18.120 --> 02:27:21.399 were using. So it's it was a very valiant effort. 2855 02:27:21.559 --> 02:27:24.799 But that doesn't mean that it actually was silent just 2856 02:27:24.799 --> 02:27:25.879 because we couldn't hear. 2857 02:27:25.760 --> 02:27:29.319 It, right right, Yeah, you just maybe you just don't 2858 02:27:29.319 --> 02:27:31.760 have the capabilities to be able to hear it or 2859 02:27:32.079 --> 02:27:36.399 detect it, detect any kind of you know, unnatural thing. 2860 02:27:37.280 --> 02:27:38.239 Absolutely so. 2861 02:27:38.399 --> 02:27:42.879 Anyway, now that we've learned a good bit about a muamua, 2862 02:27:43.959 --> 02:27:46.120 let's talk about this other. 2863 02:27:46.040 --> 02:27:48.280 Thing that is coming at us right now. 2864 02:27:49.120 --> 02:27:54.159 Three y atlas just got weird and NASA's new data 2865 02:27:54.280 --> 02:27:57.639 is changing everything about interstellar commets. 2866 02:27:58.319 --> 02:28:01.959 Brother, let's talk thing that's coming our way right now. 2867 02:28:01.959 --> 02:28:03.559 How do we go from one eye to three eye? 2868 02:28:03.559 --> 02:28:04.319 What was the two. 2869 02:28:04.239 --> 02:28:06.840 I honestly don't know. 2870 02:28:07.680 --> 02:28:10.680 I'll look that up. Okay, we can watch this if 2871 02:28:10.719 --> 02:28:16.120 I'm not mistaken. Was it the Borvitas comment, I don't know. 2872 02:28:16.239 --> 02:28:17.799 Look it up and see if there was a two eye. 2873 02:28:18.600 --> 02:28:21.200 I might be completely taking a shot in the dark here, 2874 02:28:21.280 --> 02:28:24.600 But you know, I don't know, and I don't even 2875 02:28:24.680 --> 02:28:27.479 know if that's just kind of what it is, or 2876 02:28:27.520 --> 02:28:31.959 if there's another reason for the three eye classification on this. 2877 02:28:32.639 --> 02:28:36.360 You know two I Borisov, you were right, ah on 2878 02:28:36.479 --> 02:28:40.479 It is the first confirmed interstellar comet discovered by Jeneity 2879 02:28:40.600 --> 02:28:43.639 Borisov on August thirty of twenty nineteen. So you had 2880 02:28:43.639 --> 02:28:46.920 one in twenty seventeen, twenty nineteen, and then now we're 2881 02:28:46.959 --> 02:28:49.520 coming up on twenty twenty five. So I mean for 2882 02:28:49.600 --> 02:28:51.799 it to never have happened and then all this shit, 2883 02:28:52.159 --> 02:28:55.360 three of them happening within eight years, that's kind of weird. 2884 02:28:56.040 --> 02:28:57.000 You see what I'm saying. 2885 02:28:57.600 --> 02:29:00.520 I'm sorry, I hubble has been out there for a minute, 2886 02:29:01.159 --> 02:29:03.639 like the sixties or some shit. The Hubble's been out 2887 02:29:03.680 --> 02:29:08.879 there since the sixties, I think, right, maybe the seventies. 2888 02:29:09.000 --> 02:29:10.680 I'm not one hundred percent on that one either, to 2889 02:29:10.719 --> 02:29:14.959 be completely honest with you, but either way, I can't 2890 02:29:15.040 --> 02:29:18.799 sit here and believe that over the course of the 2891 02:29:18.879 --> 02:29:23.680 last seven years we have had three super anomalies that 2892 02:29:23.719 --> 02:29:27.239 have never happened before ever, and then somehow they're not connected. 2893 02:29:27.319 --> 02:29:30.319 Oh damn, we were way off. That shit goes like 2894 02:29:30.360 --> 02:29:34.879 in the eighties. Huh, nineteen ninety Oh damn. Okay, but 2895 02:29:34.920 --> 02:29:35.680 you see what I'm saying. 2896 02:29:35.680 --> 02:29:39.040 It's it's it's like the more we gain technology and 2897 02:29:39.079 --> 02:29:42.280 the more expansions we have going on out of nowhere, 2898 02:29:42.799 --> 02:29:47.959 space force is created. We have three interstellar objects for 2899 02:29:48.079 --> 02:29:51.200 lack of better words, that we can't explain, and this 2900 02:29:51.239 --> 02:29:52.840 one's coming for us right now. 2901 02:29:52.879 --> 02:29:53.040 Bro. 2902 02:29:53.200 --> 02:29:55.920 Well, and even the first one wasn't detected until twenty 2903 02:29:55.959 --> 02:30:00.360 seven years after fucking Hubble went out there. So then 2904 02:30:00.440 --> 02:30:02.959 you have nothing for twenty seven years, you get one 2905 02:30:02.959 --> 02:30:05.760 in twenty seventeen, one in nineteen, then one in twenty 2906 02:30:05.799 --> 02:30:09.079 twenty five. That's that's kind of strange. I mean, that's 2907 02:30:09.120 --> 02:30:11.440 definitely going out of the original pattern. 2908 02:30:12.719 --> 02:30:15.280 Yes, But here's the other side of that, right. Hubble 2909 02:30:15.319 --> 02:30:18.040 didn't pick up a muamua because it was too small 2910 02:30:18.120 --> 02:30:20.959 to see, like, it didn't send off enough of a 2911 02:30:21.040 --> 02:30:24.639 signature for its infrared to pick up on it. Three 2912 02:30:24.680 --> 02:30:29.120 eye atlas is like I said, it's like the size 2913 02:30:29.120 --> 02:30:33.959 of Manhattan. It's like the size of fucking Mount Everest, 2914 02:30:34.040 --> 02:30:36.600 hurtling at us. There's the way you can't see this, bitch. 2915 02:30:36.719 --> 02:30:39.920 Amua Moa was like a couple of football fields right exactly. 2916 02:30:39.959 --> 02:30:45.159 It was one thousand meters one kilometer long. Okay, this 2917 02:30:45.280 --> 02:30:49.520 is the size of an actual mountain. So let's learn 2918 02:30:49.559 --> 02:30:53.040 a little bit more about three Eye Atlas. 2919 02:30:53.239 --> 02:30:58.200 On July first, twenty twenty five, astronomers called a cosmic 2920 02:30:58.239 --> 02:31:02.399 intruder racing through our rolar system at over two hundred 2921 02:31:02.479 --> 02:31:07.840 thousand kilometers per hour, faster than any interstellar object ever seen. 2922 02:31:08.799 --> 02:31:13.120 They named it three I slash Atlas, making it only 2923 02:31:13.159 --> 02:31:18.040 the third confirmed wanderer from beyond our star. But this time, 2924 02:31:18.559 --> 02:31:21.959 NASA's new data turned everything we thought we knew about 2925 02:31:21.959 --> 02:31:27.000 interstellar comets upside down. The speed is just the start. 2926 02:31:27.680 --> 02:31:31.959 What three Eye slash Atlas carries inside could rewrite our 2927 02:31:32.159 --> 02:31:36.440 entire understanding of the galaxy's history. So why is this 2928 02:31:36.559 --> 02:31:41.079 ancient visitor so different? And what secrets did astronomer's spot 2929 02:31:41.319 --> 02:31:45.239 that forced the biggest rethink in years? The answer begins 2930 02:31:45.319 --> 02:31:49.760 right at its astonishing discovery. Astronomers working at the Atlas 2931 02:31:49.760 --> 02:31:54.440 Survey Telescope in Chile first noticed something odd. In the 2932 02:31:54.520 --> 02:31:56.680 early hours of July First. 2933 02:31:58.840 --> 02:31:59.959 Saving Money. 2934 02:32:09.879 --> 02:32:14.520 Twenty twenty five, their automated sky scans picked up a faint, 2935 02:32:14.760 --> 02:32:18.040 fast moving object, one that did not match any known 2936 02:32:18.079 --> 02:32:23.360 asteroid or comet in the system. Within hours, researchers flagged 2937 02:32:23.399 --> 02:32:28.159 the detection and began checking archival data that led them 2938 02:32:28.200 --> 02:32:32.920 to this Wiki transient facility, where images from June fourteenth 2939 02:32:32.959 --> 02:32:36.920 showed the same object already streaking through the sky, hidden 2940 02:32:36.959 --> 02:32:41.000 against the crowded backdrop of the Milky Way's core. This 2941 02:32:41.200 --> 02:32:45.319 quick confirmation allowed the team to carcon to calculate a 2942 02:32:45.319 --> 02:32:52.280 preliminary orbit almost immediately. The official designation C SLASH twenty 2943 02:32:52.399 --> 02:32:57.639 twenty five N one ATLAS breaks down like this, C 2944 02:32:57.959 --> 02:33:02.799 means comet twenty twenty five, and one reflects the discovery date, 2945 02:33:03.200 --> 02:33:07.920 and the eye marks it as interstellar. Only two objects 2946 02:33:07.959 --> 02:33:12.520 have ever received that label before. The Atlas team's rapid 2947 02:33:12.559 --> 02:33:16.920 response and the global network of telescopes meant that within 2948 02:33:17.159 --> 02:33:22.239 just a day, the world new a third interstellar visitor 2949 02:33:22.479 --> 02:33:26.000 had entered our Solar System, and its path was unlike 2950 02:33:26.079 --> 02:33:31.559 anything seen before. Three Eye Slash Atlas didn't just wander 2951 02:33:31.600 --> 02:33:35.079 into the Solar System. It stormed in at speeds that 2952 02:33:35.200 --> 02:33:40.239 break every record. The latest calculations put its hyperbolic excess 2953 02:33:40.319 --> 02:33:45.319 vlux's velocity at fifty eight kilometers per second. That's over 2954 02:33:45.360 --> 02:33:49.399 two hundred thousand kilometers per hour or about one hundred 2955 02:33:49.440 --> 02:33:53.159 thirty thousand miles per hour, fast enough to cross the 2956 02:33:53.200 --> 02:33:56.760 distance from Earth to the Moon in just under two hours. 2957 02:33:57.680 --> 02:34:02.440 Its orbit is even stranger. The eccentricity clocks in at 2958 02:34:02.479 --> 02:34:06.040 six point two, which is far beyond the threshold for 2959 02:34:06.079 --> 02:34:10.600 a Solar system escape. For comparison, an object needs an 2960 02:34:10.639 --> 02:34:15.680 eccentricity just over one to be unbound. Atlas's value is 2961 02:34:15.760 --> 02:34:19.840 six times that. This isn't a gentle loop around the Sun. 2962 02:34:20.440 --> 02:34:24.799 It's a one way ticket out, never to return. Size 2963 02:34:24.920 --> 02:34:29.840 estimates put its nucleus somewhere between seven and twenty kilometers across, 2964 02:34:30.360 --> 02:34:34.000 making it not only the fastest but possibly the largest 2965 02:34:34.040 --> 02:34:39.079 interstellar comet we've ever detected. When astronomers saw these numbers, 2966 02:34:39.440 --> 02:34:43.799 they knew right away this was no ordinary comet. Its 2967 02:34:43.840 --> 02:34:47.760 sheer speed and trajectory flagged it for intense study and 2968 02:34:47.920 --> 02:34:51.600 raised a new question. What kind of forces could send 2969 02:34:51.639 --> 02:34:56.040 an object hurtling through the galaxy at such velocity. The 2970 02:34:56.159 --> 02:34:59.159 answer could change what we know about the origins of 2971 02:34:59.239 --> 02:35:05.079 planetary cins systems themselves. In twenty seventeen, the first interstellar 2972 02:35:05.120 --> 02:35:10.200 object ever detected, Au Muamua, shot through the Solar System 2973 02:35:10.559 --> 02:35:16.680 and left astronomers baffled. Unlike any comet or asteroid seen before, 2974 02:35:17.239 --> 02:35:21.879 it showed no coma, no tail, just a faint, tumbling 2975 02:35:21.920 --> 02:35:27.639 streak of light. Its brightness changed dramatically, hinting at a strange, 2976 02:35:27.760 --> 02:35:34.360 elongated shape, possibly cigar like, maybe even pancake flat, depending 2977 02:35:34.399 --> 02:35:39.680 on how you interpret the data. No outgassing, no dust, 2978 02:35:39.719 --> 02:35:44.680 just unexplained acceleration and a path that defied easy explanation. 2979 02:35:45.760 --> 02:35:50.239 That mystery fueled wild theories. Was it a natural fragment 2980 02:35:50.920 --> 02:35:55.239 or could it be something artificial, a probe, maybe from 2981 02:35:55.280 --> 02:36:02.680 another civilization. Two years later, two Borisov arrived. This time 2982 02:36:03.120 --> 02:36:07.639 the story was different. Borisov looked and acted like a 2983 02:36:07.680 --> 02:36:12.600 classic comet, a bright coma, a streaming tail, and plenty 2984 02:36:12.600 --> 02:36:17.280 of gas and dust. Its chemistry matched the icy wanderers 2985 02:36:17.319 --> 02:36:21.639 born in our own Solar System. No odd accelerations, no 2986 02:36:21.799 --> 02:36:27.000 missing coma, no need for exotic explanations. Borisov said the 2987 02:36:27.040 --> 02:36:31.120 baseline interstellar objects could be perfectly ordinary. 2988 02:36:31.120 --> 02:36:34.280 Comets, which is also why I never brought up the 2989 02:36:34.319 --> 02:36:39.479 Borisov in this conversation, because it had the tail and 2990 02:36:39.559 --> 02:36:42.600 it seemed like any other comet that we could view 2991 02:36:43.479 --> 02:36:44.719 through our own solar system. 2992 02:36:45.200 --> 02:36:46.719 It came from outside. 2993 02:36:46.239 --> 02:36:49.399 Of it, but it didn't it didn't spark the imagination, 2994 02:36:49.600 --> 02:36:50.840 oh like a mua mua did. 2995 02:36:51.440 --> 02:36:52.440 Just so everybody's clear. 2996 02:36:53.319 --> 02:36:57.000 Man, all this talk about pancakes making me hungry, not 2997 02:36:57.040 --> 02:37:00.319 gonna lie, and it just makes me think, you seeing 2998 02:37:00.360 --> 02:37:02.760 that fucking uh, it's like a budgy. 2999 02:37:02.360 --> 02:37:04.280 Bird or something like that. 3000 02:37:04.280 --> 02:37:08.559 That's uh, it sings making pancakes, making making pancakes. 3001 02:37:08.840 --> 02:37:12.799 You ever heard that? That's from uh the Adventure time. 3002 02:37:14.079 --> 02:37:16.120 Yeah, but the somebody taught a bird to do that. 3003 02:37:16.879 --> 02:37:18.600 No way, Yeah, like a real bird. 3004 02:37:19.239 --> 02:37:20.440 Oh that's fucking hilarious. 3005 02:37:20.520 --> 02:37:21.600 Uh huh. 3006 02:37:21.639 --> 02:37:23.319 Anyway, I just want to give the distinction. 3007 02:37:23.440 --> 02:37:25.680 That's why I didn't pull up articles on Boris off 3008 02:37:26.239 --> 02:37:31.360 because by every metric, it is a comet. You see 3009 02:37:31.399 --> 02:37:34.879 the oulgas sing, you see the tail it passed through, 3010 02:37:35.000 --> 02:37:37.159 and it was going fast, but it wasn't cooking at 3011 02:37:37.200 --> 02:37:39.639 these types of speed. Not a crazy anomaly like the 3012 02:37:39.680 --> 02:37:43.799 other two. It was an anomaly because it's interstellar, but 3013 02:37:43.840 --> 02:37:47.879 it wasn't like the amuamua and not like the Atlas. 3014 02:37:47.920 --> 02:37:49.600 But just want to give the clarification. 3015 02:37:49.639 --> 02:37:51.040 That's why I didn't really spend a lot of time 3016 02:37:51.079 --> 02:37:53.200 talking about that one on this episode. 3017 02:37:53.840 --> 02:37:54.479 Let's continue. 3018 02:37:54.559 --> 02:37:56.920 Actually before you hit continue on that, I did want 3019 02:37:56.920 --> 02:37:59.360 to throw it out there too, because we had talked 3020 02:37:59.399 --> 02:38:02.639 about the the symbolism with the or not the symbolism, 3021 02:38:02.639 --> 02:38:06.280 but the name meaning with a muamua. And if you 3022 02:38:06.319 --> 02:38:08.280 just think about Atlas, why they would name it like this? 3023 02:38:08.360 --> 02:38:11.319 Obviously it's a lot larger, but I just want to 3024 02:38:11.360 --> 02:38:15.120 throw this out. So Atlas was a Titan condemned to 3025 02:38:15.159 --> 02:38:19.159 hold up the sky for eternity after Titan Titan no Maki, 3026 02:38:19.680 --> 02:38:22.879 which is a war between Titans and Olympians. So could 3027 02:38:22.920 --> 02:38:26.879 it mean that it's that Atlas would be essentially a 3028 02:38:26.920 --> 02:38:30.319 symbol for carrying a heavy burden, uh supporting or holding 3029 02:38:30.360 --> 02:38:34.959 something up or endurance and strength makes you wonder, you know, Okay, 3030 02:38:35.040 --> 02:38:37.399 it could it just be something it's so big, it's 3031 02:38:37.399 --> 02:38:39.639 such like a it's like a titan, so you call 3032 02:38:39.680 --> 02:38:40.239 it Atlas? 3033 02:38:40.719 --> 02:38:43.719 Or could it be that it was discovered at the 3034 02:38:43.760 --> 02:38:49.120 Atlas Observatory in Chili. Oh that was the reason. No, 3035 02:38:49.280 --> 02:38:51.159 it was called the Atlas, was it? 3036 02:38:52.040 --> 02:38:54.280 I thought it was called like the the very Large 3037 02:38:54.440 --> 02:38:55.719 Observatory or some shit. 3038 02:38:56.040 --> 02:38:58.760 No, there's more than one. There's more than one in Chili. 3039 02:39:00.719 --> 02:39:04.239 But to your point, why did they name that facility 3040 02:39:04.440 --> 02:39:05.639 Atlas in the first place? 3041 02:39:06.920 --> 02:39:11.760 Okay, I was just speculating, gotcha, dog, just from somewhere 3042 02:39:11.840 --> 02:39:16.040 else in the galaxy. With Atlas, the question hangs in 3043 02:39:16.079 --> 02:39:19.959 the air. Will it behave like borisov or will it 3044 02:39:20.040 --> 02:39:24.360 surprise us the way O Muamua did. Each new visitor 3045 02:39:24.479 --> 02:39:29.040 reopens the debate. Are these just natural relics or could 3046 02:39:29.040 --> 02:39:31.879 one of them finally be the evidence of something more. 3047 02:39:32.959 --> 02:39:37.559 On July twenty first, twenty twenty five, the Hubble Space 3048 02:39:37.639 --> 02:39:42.399 telescope locked onto three I, also known as Atlas. As 3049 02:39:42.440 --> 02:39:46.799 it swept through the inner Solar System. The resulting images 3050 02:39:46.920 --> 02:39:51.719 captured something unmistakable, a tear drop shaped coma with a 3051 02:39:51.799 --> 02:39:55.920 dust tail streaming directly away from the sun. This was 3052 02:39:55.959 --> 02:40:00.479 not a static, inert rock. The coma glowed with gas 3053 02:40:00.479 --> 02:40:04.959 and dust, a clear sign of active outgassing. As sunlight 3054 02:40:05.040 --> 02:40:09.760 warmed its ancient surface. The dust tail fanned out by 3055 02:40:09.799 --> 02:40:13.959 solar radiation pressure traced a path that matched predictions for 3056 02:40:14.000 --> 02:40:19.399 a natural comet, not an engineered object. Hubble's sharp vision 3057 02:40:19.840 --> 02:40:23.559 revealed the nucleus swaddled in a hazy envelope, with the 3058 02:40:23.600 --> 02:40:28.920 bright head tapering into a long, delicate streamer. The orientation 3059 02:40:29.040 --> 02:40:33.040 of the tail pointed exactly where physics says it should, 3060 02:40:33.399 --> 02:40:37.000 away from the Sun, not towards any planet or along 3061 02:40:37.040 --> 02:40:41.760 an unnatural trajectory. Each pixel of Hubble's data told the 3062 02:40:41.799 --> 02:40:48.079 same story. Three I Atlas was venting material, behaving exactly 3063 02:40:48.159 --> 02:40:51.079 as a comet should when it wakes up near a star. 3064 02:40:52.040 --> 02:40:56.799 For astronomers, this single image settled the debate nature not 3065 02:40:57.040 --> 02:41:02.680 artifice was at work. Stroscopic data from three way Slash 3066 02:41:02.719 --> 02:41:07.440 Atlas delivers a direct look at chemistry from another star system. 3067 02:41:07.760 --> 02:41:12.879 Gemini South and NASA's infrared telescope facility captured a broad 3068 02:41:12.959 --> 02:41:17.520 absorption band near two point zero microns. A fingerprint of 3069 02:41:17.639 --> 02:41:22.559 water ice grains about ten micrometers across this ice is 3070 02:41:22.639 --> 02:41:27.159 not recent. Kinematic models based on the comets fifty eight 3071 02:41:27.200 --> 02:41:31.840 kilometers per second hyperbolic velocity point to an origin in 3072 02:41:31.879 --> 02:41:36.559 the galaxy's thick disc where stars and their planets formed 3073 02:41:36.600 --> 02:41:41.600 over seven billion years ago. Alongside the ice. The visible 3074 02:41:41.639 --> 02:41:45.319 spectrum shows a red slope of eighteen percent per one 3075 02:41:45.360 --> 02:41:50.559 thousand angstrums, matching D type asteroids and signaling a mix 3076 02:41:50.600 --> 02:41:57.120 of ancient organics and silicates. Each spectral line, each chemical 3077 02:41:57.200 --> 02:42:01.680 clue preserves a record of planetary greens older than our 3078 02:42:01.719 --> 02:42:07.639 own sun. Radio telescopes have scanned three I slash Atlas 3079 02:42:07.680 --> 02:42:12.760 since July, searching for any hint of artificial signals. The 3080 02:42:12.840 --> 02:42:17.440 Allen telescope array collected over twenty one terabytes of data 3081 02:42:17.680 --> 02:42:23.600 in a week. No radio emissions, no techno signatures, nothing 3082 02:42:23.680 --> 02:42:29.280 but natural static. Atlas will reach peri Helian on October thirtieth, 3083 02:42:29.639 --> 02:42:34.719 twenty twenty five, then reappear for final observations in early 3084 02:42:34.799 --> 02:42:39.879 December before fading back into deep space. For now, it 3085 02:42:39.959 --> 02:42:44.840 remains what the data show, a silent natural messenger from 3086 02:42:44.879 --> 02:42:45.879 another star. 3087 02:42:47.559 --> 02:42:52.520 Shout out to space, unfiltered. For all the information about 3088 02:42:52.559 --> 02:42:57.280 the three iye Atlas. Now that being said, there is 3089 02:42:57.520 --> 02:43:00.399 like you said, there's a gas outpouring of it. But 3090 02:43:00.399 --> 02:43:03.360 they didn't realize that until very recently. Up until I 3091 02:43:03.399 --> 02:43:05.000 want to say, it was like a week or two ago. 3092 02:43:05.680 --> 02:43:08.520 They couldn't see it because it was coming directly at us, 3093 02:43:09.040 --> 02:43:11.079 and that gas is coming on the back side of it, 3094 02:43:11.120 --> 02:43:14.760 so they couldn't see that. That being said, does that 3095 02:43:15.200 --> 02:43:19.920 necessarily mean that it is natural? Or could that be 3096 02:43:20.079 --> 02:43:24.399 the remnants of some kind of propulsion that is sending 3097 02:43:24.399 --> 02:43:27.440 it here in the first place? I mean our spacecraft's 3098 02:43:27.520 --> 02:43:30.000 leave behind a tail exactly. 3099 02:43:31.520 --> 02:43:32.760 I don't know. I don't know. 3100 02:43:32.799 --> 02:43:36.959 It's very possible that Atlas is a comment and it's 3101 02:43:37.040 --> 02:43:38.719 not that big of a deal and people are freaking 3102 02:43:38.799 --> 02:43:39.440 out over nothing. 3103 02:43:39.680 --> 02:43:42.319 It's very possible, in my opinion. 3104 02:43:42.360 --> 02:43:47.959 It's equally possible that this might be a for lack 3105 02:43:47.959 --> 02:43:49.559 of better words, alien mothership. 3106 02:43:50.639 --> 02:43:54.239 Let's go well, let's find out. This is from USA today. 3107 02:43:54.559 --> 02:43:57.319 It says NASA's Hubble Space Telescope has gotten an up 3108 02:43:57.319 --> 02:44:00.959 close look at headlight at a headl line grabbing object 3109 02:44:01.040 --> 02:44:03.639 known as three I at lists that has recently wandered 3110 02:44:03.639 --> 02:44:07.040 into Earth's cosmic neighborhood from far away. The image, which 3111 02:44:07.239 --> 02:44:10.360 NASA bills as the sharpest ever picture of an object 3112 02:44:10.399 --> 02:44:13.959 most astro most astronomers. 3113 02:44:13.760 --> 02:44:14.719 Am I saying that wrong? 3114 02:44:15.000 --> 02:44:19.559 Astronomers stam all right agree, is almost definitely a comet, 3115 02:44:19.680 --> 02:44:23.440 depicts the interstellar visitor that originated from outside our Solar 3116 02:44:23.479 --> 02:44:26.040 System from elsewhere in the Milky Way. Three i at 3117 02:44:26.079 --> 02:44:29.000 Lists first made news in early July when scientists confirmed 3118 02:44:29.040 --> 02:44:33.440 it as the third ever observed interstellar interloper in our system. 3119 02:44:33.840 --> 02:44:37.280 The space object further attracted the public's fascination again later 3120 02:44:37.319 --> 02:44:41.399 in the month when a controversial astrophysicist from Harvard University 3121 02:44:41.440 --> 02:44:44.159 began claiming that it could be an alien spaceship. What 3122 02:44:44.200 --> 02:44:47.920 we definitely know about three i at Lists is that 3123 02:44:48.000 --> 02:44:51.479 it has been drifting through interstellar space for billions of years, 3124 02:44:51.879 --> 02:44:55.479 gaining speed from the gravitational slingshot effect of passing countless 3125 02:44:55.520 --> 02:44:58.159 stars and nebulus. How do you know that it's been 3126 02:44:58.239 --> 02:45:00.440 out around for or for billions of years? 3127 02:45:00.799 --> 02:45:01.399 That's what I'm saying. 3128 02:45:01.479 --> 02:45:05.639 Y'all just discovered it in June in what with what 3129 02:45:05.760 --> 02:45:08.159 kind of authority can you say it's been out there 3130 02:45:08.239 --> 02:45:09.760 hurdling for billions of years? 3131 02:45:09.799 --> 02:45:09.959 Bro? 3132 02:45:10.719 --> 02:45:13.760 Now, what do you compare that to It's it's the 3133 02:45:13.840 --> 02:45:17.479 third ever interstellar thing that we have, Like that makes 3134 02:45:17.520 --> 02:45:19.479 no sense to make such a claim. 3135 02:45:20.200 --> 02:45:22.959 Yeah, So it's as Fortunately Hubble is just the first, 3136 02:45:23.000 --> 02:45:26.760 and NASA's fleet of telescopes slated to observe the likely 3137 02:45:26.799 --> 02:45:29.559 comment as scientists look to learn more about the object 3138 02:45:29.680 --> 02:45:31.120 size of physical properties. 3139 02:45:31.399 --> 02:45:35.360 So what, I'm grateful that they said likely comment not confirmed. 3140 02:45:35.399 --> 02:45:36.280 I'm glad they said that. 3141 02:45:37.079 --> 02:45:38.959 So what is three iyat lists? 3142 02:45:40.120 --> 02:45:41.200 So look, this is. 3143 02:45:41.159 --> 02:45:43.520 The path that is trojected to take. It's going to 3144 02:45:43.600 --> 02:45:49.799 go between us and Mars. Okay, yeah, man, so a 3145 02:45:50.000 --> 02:45:52.399 likely comment known as three i at lists. Oh I 3146 02:45:52.440 --> 02:45:55.840 already read that part, didn't I why repeating itself? 3147 02:45:56.360 --> 02:46:00.399 Yeah, The object, which scientists estimate to be more than 3148 02:46:00.399 --> 02:46:02.719 twelve miles wide, is wizzing at one hundred and thirty 3149 02:46:02.760 --> 02:46:05.159 thousand miles per hour relative to the Sun on a 3150 02:46:05.200 --> 02:46:09.280 trajectory that on October thirtieth will bring it within about 3151 02:46:09.280 --> 02:46:14.159 one hundred and thirty million miles of Earth. So far away, 3152 02:46:14.200 --> 02:46:17.440 but in the realm of basically infinity, it's pretty close. 3153 02:46:18.239 --> 02:46:22.000 In the vastness of space, that's literally on our doorstep, dude, 3154 02:46:22.040 --> 02:46:24.440 And it's just so happening to pass by us that 3155 02:46:24.520 --> 02:46:29.639 it's closest point the day before Halloween. Oh, that is interesting. 3156 02:46:30.600 --> 02:46:33.319 Before all hallows eve, sir, when the veil is at 3157 02:46:33.399 --> 02:46:37.959 its thinnest. I'm just saying it's symbolic if nonetheless if 3158 02:46:37.959 --> 02:46:42.239 nothing else so Telescope and Chile part of NASA's funded 3159 02:46:42.760 --> 02:46:46.280 part of the NASA funded Asteroid Terrestrial Impact Last Alert 3160 02:46:46.319 --> 02:46:49.520 System or ATLAS. OH, that's why it's called that Asteroid 3161 02:46:49.639 --> 02:46:54.000 Terrestrial Last Alert System at LA S. There you go, 3162 02:46:54.879 --> 02:46:56.920 was the first to spot would initially look like an 3163 02:46:57.000 --> 02:47:00.200 unknown asteroid on a path approaching Earth's orbit. The observation 3164 02:47:00.319 --> 02:47:03.440 was reported to the Minor Planet Center, the official authority 3165 02:47:03.559 --> 02:47:06.600 for observing and reporting new asteroids, comets, and other small 3166 02:47:06.639 --> 02:47:09.840 bodies in the Solar System. The object eventually confirmed to 3167 02:47:09.959 --> 02:47:12.840 almost certainly be a comet and name three i at Lists, 3168 02:47:13.079 --> 02:47:16.920 was later confirmed to have interstellar origins after follow up observations. 3169 02:47:17.959 --> 02:47:18.440 Okay. 3170 02:47:19.040 --> 02:47:22.680 Hubble's observations of three i at Lists have allowed astronomers 3171 02:47:22.719 --> 02:47:26.760 to more accurately estimate the size of the comet's solid 3172 02:47:26.959 --> 02:47:29.920 icy nucleus. Hubble captured the image of the comet on 3173 02:47:30.000 --> 02:47:32.920 July twenty first, which NASA released Thursday, August seventh in 3174 02:47:33.000 --> 02:47:36.680 a blog post. The upper limit on the diameter of 3175 02:47:36.719 --> 02:47:39.479 the comet's nucleus is anywhere between one thousand feet and 3176 02:47:39.600 --> 02:47:44.520 three point five miles across. Researchers concluded. Hubble's observations may 3177 02:47:44.520 --> 02:47:47.479 have helped pinpoint the comet size, but scientists still have 3178 02:47:47.520 --> 02:47:49.399 not determined what comprises its core. 3179 02:47:50.159 --> 02:47:54.319 Okay, I will have to give a healthy bit of 3180 02:47:54.360 --> 02:47:59.120 what the fuck to that one. Hubbles observations may have 3181 02:47:59.159 --> 02:48:04.559 helped pin point the comets size, yet the nucleus is 3182 02:48:04.680 --> 02:48:09.600 anywhere between one thousand feet to three point five miles across. 3183 02:48:10.879 --> 02:48:17.799 That doesn't sound very pinpoint to me, bro. I mean, see, 3184 02:48:17.799 --> 02:48:21.239 that's the thing is within what realms? You know? I 3185 02:48:21.239 --> 02:48:25.079 mean a mile is five two hundred and eighty feet, right, 3186 02:48:25.600 --> 02:48:29.200 so we got three and a half of those. It's 3187 02:48:29.280 --> 02:48:34.440 somewhere between one thousand feet and roughly twenty thousand feet. 3188 02:48:34.879 --> 02:48:38.200 It's somewhere in there we've pinpointed down. It's like, that's 3189 02:48:38.680 --> 02:48:41.040 that's a wide margin for error there. 3190 02:48:40.920 --> 02:48:41.319 My boy. 3191 02:48:42.360 --> 02:48:42.760 It is. 3192 02:48:43.120 --> 02:48:46.680 Yeah, especially if it's gonna, you know, blast up against 3193 02:48:46.760 --> 02:48:51.000 us potentially. You know, you'd rather a thousand feet compared 3194 02:48:51.000 --> 02:48:52.200 to three and a half miles. 3195 02:48:53.159 --> 02:48:55.280 That's that's crazy out loud, dude. 3196 02:48:56.520 --> 02:48:59.719 It's precise cosmic origins remain a mystery. No one knows 3197 02:48:59.719 --> 02:49:03.200 where the comment came from. The astronomer at the University 3198 02:49:03.200 --> 02:49:05.479 of California, who authored a research paper about the hubble 3199 02:49:05.520 --> 02:49:08.399 finding set. In a statement, he goes, it's like glimpsing 3200 02:49:08.479 --> 02:49:12.520 a rifle bullet. It's like glimpsing a rifle bullet for 3201 02:49:12.559 --> 02:49:16.920 one thousandth of a second. You can't project that back 3202 02:49:17.000 --> 02:49:20.920 with You can't project that back with any accuracy to 3203 02:49:20.920 --> 02:49:24.559 figure out where it started on its path. Observations from 3204 02:49:24.639 --> 02:49:30.479 other NASA missions, including the infrared James Webb Telescope, say 3205 02:49:30.639 --> 02:49:34.120 that will further will help further refine our knowledge about 3206 02:49:34.120 --> 02:49:35.879 the comment, including its chemical makeup. 3207 02:49:35.959 --> 02:49:41.079 NASA said, now this is our Guy Avy Lobe, and 3208 02:49:41.159 --> 02:49:43.959 he is suggesting that it's alien tech. 3209 02:49:44.239 --> 02:49:46.680 Not all researchers have been convinced that three I at 3210 02:49:46.680 --> 02:49:50.239 lists is a comment. Avy Lobe, an astrophysicists from Harvard University, 3211 02:49:50.319 --> 02:49:53.159 authored a paper with two others uploaded July sixteenth to 3212 02:49:53.200 --> 02:49:58.399 the pre print server our ziv, speculating about whether the 3213 02:49:58.440 --> 02:50:03.479 object could be hostile alien technology. Lobe has long had 3214 02:50:03.520 --> 02:50:07.840 a preoccupation with extraterrestrials, even co founding the Galileo Project, 3215 02:50:08.120 --> 02:50:11.559 a research program at the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics 3216 02:50:11.559 --> 02:50:15.079 dedicated to the search alien life. But while Lobe has 3217 02:50:15.120 --> 02:50:18.200 often encouraged scientists to have an open mind about extraterrestrials. 3218 02:50:18.360 --> 02:50:23.120 His theories and research have often rankled other astrophysicists in 3219 02:50:23.159 --> 02:50:25.479 the field, who pushed back on some of his Boulder 3220 02:50:25.520 --> 02:50:30.479 claims some huh. For instance, when the first interstillar object 3221 02:50:30.479 --> 02:50:33.280 ever detected in our solar system was spotted in twenty seventeen, 3222 02:50:33.360 --> 02:50:37.920 Lobes similarly posited that it was of extraterrestrial origin, a 3223 02:50:38.000 --> 02:50:39.040 theory later debunked. 3224 02:50:39.959 --> 02:50:42.920 And again we read the report trying to debunk it, 3225 02:50:43.520 --> 02:50:46.399 and they really did a piss poor job of the debunking. 3226 02:50:47.000 --> 02:50:49.159 I should say, not up. 3227 02:50:49.040 --> 02:50:51.719 To the liking that you would hope, not at all. 3228 02:50:52.159 --> 02:50:52.479 Now. 3229 02:50:53.239 --> 02:50:55.360 I had another video up, but we really don't have 3230 02:50:55.440 --> 02:50:59.760 to watch that as of this moment. However, this is 3231 02:51:00.120 --> 02:51:05.399 actually live tracking of the atlas right and there's a 3232 02:51:05.600 --> 02:51:08.280 YouTube channel that's dedicated to it, and it shows our 3233 02:51:08.319 --> 02:51:11.239 shows a couple hours ago when we started, So this 3234 02:51:11.440 --> 02:51:15.559 is accurate up until right now. And they're showing all 3235 02:51:15.639 --> 02:51:19.719 of the for lack of better words, the cosmos here. 3236 02:51:19.760 --> 02:51:23.319 I'm a make the scream bigger here. I like the 3237 02:51:23.319 --> 02:51:24.840 cosmic space music in the back. 3238 02:51:25.600 --> 02:51:29.520 Yeah, yeah, it does. Add to the ambiance it do. 3239 02:51:30.760 --> 02:51:34.639 So three I Atlas is right here. 3240 02:51:35.840 --> 02:51:38.479 And this is live twenty four to seven tracking it 3241 02:51:38.559 --> 02:51:41.600 until it gets to us, and as a time of 3242 02:51:41.639 --> 02:51:45.440 recording about two and a half months, give or take. 3243 02:51:48.559 --> 02:51:51.079 It's almost putting me into a slight meditative state with 3244 02:51:51.120 --> 02:51:51.520 this music. 3245 02:51:51.559 --> 02:51:53.360 I'm not gonna lie I had a feeling. You were 3246 02:51:53.399 --> 02:51:57.840 gonna say that I had a feeling. But anyway, yeah, bro, 3247 02:51:58.040 --> 02:51:59.399 I don't know what to make of it. 3248 02:51:59.879 --> 02:52:03.360 I I'm not saying that I one hundred percent believe 3249 02:52:03.399 --> 02:52:07.239 that it's alien or I should say alien tech. And 3250 02:52:07.319 --> 02:52:09.600 I am also not gonna say that I believe that 3251 02:52:09.680 --> 02:52:12.479 it is of natural origins either. I'm somewhere in the 3252 02:52:12.520 --> 02:52:17.159 middle of this. But again, you and I look at 3253 02:52:17.159 --> 02:52:20.120 things from very different perspectives in a lot of ways, 3254 02:52:20.120 --> 02:52:22.280 but we also come to a lot of agreements on 3255 02:52:22.319 --> 02:52:24.040 the important stuff, right. 3256 02:52:25.319 --> 02:52:25.399 It. 3257 02:52:25.600 --> 02:52:31.680 I find it very, very interesting that the instant that 3258 02:52:32.559 --> 02:52:38.959 humans develop nuclear power then developed nuclear bombs, we all 3259 02:52:39.000 --> 02:52:41.799 of a sudden started having a bunch of UFOs and 3260 02:52:42.000 --> 02:52:47.520 UAPs and usos and flying saucers and flying tic TACs 3261 02:52:47.559 --> 02:52:51.399 and orbs and all these things start showing fish. The 3262 02:52:51.440 --> 02:52:54.079 flying jellyfit All of these things just started showing up 3263 02:52:54.680 --> 02:52:57.920 around the time when we started dropping nukes on each 3264 02:52:57.920 --> 02:53:00.879 other and testing them for more purposes. 3265 02:53:00.959 --> 02:53:03.879 Right by the way, not to throw you off crack here, 3266 02:53:05.000 --> 02:53:07.680 did you know that there are two animals that could 3267 02:53:07.760 --> 02:53:11.799 literally live forever if they weren't impeded or eaten by anything, 3268 02:53:12.239 --> 02:53:14.760 And that jellyfish is one of those things that could 3269 02:53:14.760 --> 02:53:18.000 potentially live forever that it has no, it doesn't have 3270 02:53:18.079 --> 02:53:22.040 any set lifespan. And the the other one is a lobster. 3271 02:53:22.559 --> 02:53:24.200 I was gonna say in the other one lobsters. 3272 02:53:24.600 --> 02:53:25.600 Yeah, isn't that crazy? 3273 02:53:25.639 --> 02:53:25.799 Though? 3274 02:53:25.879 --> 02:53:29.959 The fucking things could live literally forever hypothetically. 3275 02:53:30.360 --> 02:53:33.840 I mean, yeah, there's no they would. Just the lobsters, 3276 02:53:33.840 --> 02:53:36.360 they just keep molting their shell and as long as 3277 02:53:36.360 --> 02:53:39.959 they don't get injured or or eaten by something else, 3278 02:53:40.600 --> 02:53:44.399 hypothetically they could just continue to live forever. I hadn't 3279 02:53:44.440 --> 02:53:46.600 heard that about jellyfish though. That's interesting. 3280 02:53:46.600 --> 02:53:50.680 I just read that today. But yeah, I mean, I 3281 02:53:50.719 --> 02:53:52.360 don't know what to really make of this. To be 3282 02:53:52.399 --> 02:53:55.719 honest with you, I'm I personally, I'm not gonna sit 3283 02:53:55.719 --> 02:53:57.879 here and say that I don't think that alien life 3284 02:53:58.000 --> 02:54:01.520 could could not come from outer space. I just believe 3285 02:54:01.559 --> 02:54:04.280 that it's more likely that if alien life would present 3286 02:54:04.360 --> 02:54:07.719 itself to us here on Earth or in the vicinity 3287 02:54:07.760 --> 02:54:11.360 of Earth, that it would be more of a an 3288 02:54:11.360 --> 02:54:14.959 interdimensional kind of activity only because and the only reason 3289 02:54:15.000 --> 02:54:21.440 I say that is because if you're if you have 3290 02:54:21.680 --> 02:54:26.040 access to be able to basically cut through space and time, 3291 02:54:26.079 --> 02:54:28.479 why would you put up with the hassle of travel? 3292 02:54:29.600 --> 02:54:32.120 And I would agree with that. That's why I think 3293 02:54:32.120 --> 02:54:34.040 that there's probably more than one thing happening at the 3294 02:54:34.079 --> 02:54:39.000 same time. Right, if this is a craft, perhaps the 3295 02:54:39.079 --> 02:54:40.760 beings that are on it, like we said in the 3296 02:54:40.760 --> 02:54:43.799 beginning of the episode, maybe they don't have the technology 3297 02:54:43.840 --> 02:54:46.639 to cut through space and time, right, Maybe they don't. 3298 02:54:46.639 --> 02:54:49.639 Maybe some other group does out there, some other beings 3299 02:54:49.639 --> 02:54:52.239 from another galaxy or another dimension. Maybe they have it, 3300 02:54:52.319 --> 02:54:56.559 maybe not this group, or maybe they know how to 3301 02:54:56.680 --> 02:54:59.079 do that, but they understand that. Yeah, tearing a hole 3302 02:54:59.079 --> 02:55:02.200 in the fabric of space in time is easier than 3303 02:55:02.520 --> 02:55:05.559 putting it back, right, Like, once you open that portal, 3304 02:55:05.600 --> 02:55:08.680 you can't close that. Maybe that's where black holes come from. 3305 02:55:08.879 --> 02:55:10.799 Well, it's like the idea of like anybody that's ever 3306 02:55:10.840 --> 02:55:15.239 looked into the Philadelphia experiment allegedly. I mean, some people 3307 02:55:15.280 --> 02:55:17.319 disagree that that ever happened. Some people say it's just 3308 02:55:17.360 --> 02:55:19.920 a fictional story. I still find it pretty damn fascinating, 3309 02:55:20.000 --> 02:55:23.719 especially if you like stranger things. But because that's in 3310 02:55:23.760 --> 02:55:26.079 correlation with the Montalk project and stuff like that. But 3311 02:55:26.280 --> 02:55:30.159 the Philadelphia experiment is interesting because they allegedly opened up 3312 02:55:30.200 --> 02:55:33.639 a portal in time and traveled somewhere else, and then 3313 02:55:33.680 --> 02:55:36.559 whenever they wanted to jump back into that vehicle to 3314 02:55:36.559 --> 02:55:38.920 be able to portal themselves back to where they were, 3315 02:55:39.360 --> 02:55:43.120 they did, except for it wasn't exact. But so whenever 3316 02:55:43.120 --> 02:55:45.600 they jumped, they were on like this this boat or 3317 02:55:45.600 --> 02:55:47.879 this ship or something like that, right, but they didn't 3318 02:55:47.879 --> 02:55:50.920 get the exact time right to come back. It was 3319 02:55:50.959 --> 02:55:52.799 like maybe a couple of seconds or a couple of 3320 02:55:52.799 --> 02:55:55.959 milliseconds off. And because of that, and because of the 3321 02:55:56.040 --> 02:55:59.440 motion of the ship itself, they they whenever they jump back, 3322 02:55:59.479 --> 02:56:04.200 they fucking molded themselves into the steel walls. So that 3323 02:56:04.239 --> 02:56:07.760 would be unfortunate. But yeah, I don't, I don't know, 3324 02:56:07.840 --> 02:56:11.200 and just this whole idea about aliens in general. I 3325 02:56:11.319 --> 02:56:14.600 just I want to believe in this shit, I really do. 3326 02:56:14.719 --> 02:56:18.159 I want to believe that there could be potential physical 3327 02:56:18.399 --> 02:56:22.120 alien motherships coming from other planets. I just find it 3328 02:56:22.159 --> 02:56:27.159 to be personally less likely than the other way. 3329 02:56:28.239 --> 02:56:30.879 Good Cult members, tell us what you think about this. 3330 02:56:31.239 --> 02:56:33.719 There's a lot of things being speculated about when it 3331 02:56:33.719 --> 02:56:36.840 comes to the three I at lists right, especially when 3332 02:56:36.879 --> 02:56:39.760 you take that in with conjunction of the forming of 3333 02:56:39.760 --> 02:56:42.639 the Space Force, because space needs to be a war 3334 02:56:42.719 --> 02:56:46.840 fighting front. Okay those are his words, not mine. Then 3335 02:56:47.280 --> 02:56:53.600 we have the first three interstellar things come right by us, 3336 02:56:53.639 --> 02:56:56.440 all within seven years of each other, all of them 3337 02:56:56.719 --> 02:56:59.000 directly after the forming of the Space Force. 3338 02:57:00.120 --> 02:57:02.799 Who's to say what's happening here? We want to hear 3339 02:57:02.879 --> 02:57:04.559 from you. We want to hear what you have to 3340 02:57:04.559 --> 02:57:05.239 say about it. 3341 02:57:05.879 --> 02:57:08.120 Like my gorgeous co host said earlier, if you would 3342 02:57:08.120 --> 02:57:09.440 like to support the show, then come check us out 3343 02:57:09.479 --> 02:57:13.040 on Patreon, dot com slash Cult to Conspiracy Podcast. If 3344 02:57:13.040 --> 02:57:14.280 you would like to join us for the third as 3345 02:57:14.319 --> 02:57:16.280 All the Way Open Tire, we do that every Tuesday 3346 02:57:16.360 --> 02:57:18.719 night at nine pm Central, we go live. 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