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<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Wednesday Service, Episode one, brought

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<v Speaker 1>to you by Cult Conspiracy Podcasts. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>thank Jonathan and Jacob for this opportunity. I really appreciate you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I also appreciate everybody that has been reaching out

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<v Speaker 1>to Jonathan and Jacob, you know about Sunday Service. It

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<v Speaker 1>was they were nice enough to actually invite me to

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<v Speaker 1>do Wednesday Service as well. So I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>let you guys know, I really appreciate you guys. And

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<v Speaker 1>my show is Josh Monday Christian a conspiracy podcast. If

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know me, my first name is Josh, last

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<v Speaker 1>name is Monday, just like the day of the week,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am your host of the show. And today

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be a little bit different. One thing I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't done and haven't showed you guys on Sunday Service

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<v Speaker 1>or you know this new Wednesday Service is me debating.

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<v Speaker 1>So today I want to show you guys a debate

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<v Speaker 1>that I did with a TIK talker named Peter Markley.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a glober and he is a Christian and

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<v Speaker 1>I am a flat earth, Biblical cosmology and Christian. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's a pretty interesting debate. I want to give you

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<v Speaker 1>a little history before I start. So I talked to

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<v Speaker 1>him and he told me, you know, we both know

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<v Speaker 1>that the Bible does not teach a globe, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do he said. He told me

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't want to do flat versus globe biblical cosmology debate.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to do a debate on whether the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>teaches cosmology period. So I was like, all right, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm down to do that. I know the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible teaches cosmology, and I'm ready to go, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I started doing some research on him. I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to a debate that he did on modern day debate

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<v Speaker 1>with a flatzoid. Flatzoid's perspective is this channel, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were going at it, you know, they were basically fighting

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<v Speaker 1>and arguing, and it didn't really I didn't like the

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<v Speaker 1>way it was meshing very well, you know. So I

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<v Speaker 1>knew to come at this debate in a loving way

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<v Speaker 1>and to try to make it so that I soften

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<v Speaker 1>Peter up a little bit, you know, and try to

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<v Speaker 1>be super respectful, full and super nice to him. And

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want our debate to look go sideways in

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<v Speaker 1>any way. I knew that on the show that we

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<v Speaker 1>were on is called Uh, What Matters Now? And on

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<v Speaker 1>that show, I knew there was a den of atheists

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<v Speaker 1>in the comment section. There's a ton of atheists that

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<v Speaker 1>that go to that show and watch that show. So

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that I wanted to make sure that we

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<v Speaker 1>represent as Christians the right way. You know, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>getting divisive. We're not divided, We're just not agreeing on

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<v Speaker 1>a subject and just debating. So that's what I kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And Peter at first he came out with guns blazing.

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<v Speaker 1>You could tell. I'll show you guys, you know when

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<v Speaker 1>I when I play this, he came out with guns blazing,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, we were we got passionate, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was just a fun debate. So what I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do is show you guys this debate. It was

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<v Speaker 1>on What you Know Matters Now and it's about an

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<v Speaker 1>hour and a half. If you guys could do me

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<v Speaker 1>a favor, okay on Spotify, I don't really get to

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<v Speaker 1>see your comments on the Patreon, I don't really get

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<v Speaker 1>to have contact with you guys too much. So one

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<v Speaker 1>thing you could do if you want to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>me is go to my Instagram at Josh Monday Underscore

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast and send me a DM and you can ask

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<v Speaker 1>me for prayer. You could tell me, hey, I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to this show, I like this part. Want I'd rather

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<v Speaker 1>you do more of this less of that. Let me know,

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<v Speaker 1>And I would love to have you guys's input. That

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<v Speaker 1>way on the show's going forward, I can make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm providing you with the content that you guys love.

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely love to do the Bible studies. That's something

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely want to do. Then this Sunday, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be going over Exodus seventeen probably through twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>It should be very interesting. That'll be Sunday service, and

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<v Speaker 1>on Wednesdays, I will be showing you guys some of

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<v Speaker 1>my debates, and I will also be doing probably more

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<v Speaker 1>New Testament stuff. That way, I could teach you guys

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<v Speaker 1>the New Testament as best of my ability. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that'd be very amazing. And I will definitely try to

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<v Speaker 1>have guests on whenever I can. If I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a guest on it, it'll be just me and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just be teaching the Bible. Sometimes I'll have my brother on.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the co host of Josh Monday Christian conspiracy podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and he enjoys digging into the Bible, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>rather obviously do who would honestly rather do Bible than conspiracies.

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<v Speaker 1>I was the one that wanted to do the Christian

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<v Speaker 1>in conspiracy stuff. I love conspiracies and ifacly I love

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible and I love the Lord. So anyways, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you guys so much for tuning in. I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you guys. Right now, I am going to play my debate,

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<v Speaker 1>so big shout out to Osion from What Matters Now

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<v Speaker 1>for allowing us to do that debate. I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go ahead and share screen and I

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<v Speaker 1>will play it for you.

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<v Speaker 3>You're fie.

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<v Speaker 4>One.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Matters Now.

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<v Speaker 4>We are going to be having debate between Josh Monday

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<v Speaker 4>Christian and conspiracy podcasts, which I'm sure is not what

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<v Speaker 4>he goes by, but I read the whole thing and

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<v Speaker 4>Peter Markley and the title of this debate is does

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<v Speaker 4>the Bible teach cosmology?

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna try to focus on that topic.

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna have opening statements from each of our two debaters.

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<v Speaker 4>Once they have the opening statements, I'm gonna give each

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<v Speaker 4>of them time to interrogate the points of the other debater.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're going to head and jump right in to

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<v Speaker 4>either one of you want to volunteer to go first.

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<v Speaker 2>I probably should have resolved this first.

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<v Speaker 4>All but either of you care about who does their

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<v Speaker 4>opening presentation first.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mind. Uh, do you want to go first, Peter?

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<v Speaker 1>Or do you want me to go first? It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>up to you. I don't mind.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't really care.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Peter, why don't you go ahead and start

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<v Speaker 2>us out? Then?

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<v Speaker 5>All right, let me pull up my presentation and press

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<v Speaker 5>the present button share screen.

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<v Speaker 3>Mhm see.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh okay, Josh and I can, you know, talk about

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<v Speaker 4>something else while we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting Yeah, no worries, all right, So.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't really see stream yard anymore? Is this working

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<v Speaker 5>it is we're seeing?

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<v Speaker 2>Is Biblical cosmology a thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Perfect?

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<v Speaker 2>Right ahead, start your timer and get your going. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here we go?

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<v Speaker 5>All right? Uh? Sorry, a little bit of a flood there, okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Is Biblical cosmology a thing?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 5>There are no Bible verses on cosmology. Josh only thinks

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<v Speaker 5>there are because he has certain starting assumptions. I'm only

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<v Speaker 5>going to give two Bible verses. The rest of my time,

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<v Speaker 5>I'll spend correcting false assumptions. Assumption one geocentric equals flat wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>By the time of Jesus and the New Testament, the

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<v Speaker 5>dominant cosmology of everyone in the known world was a

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<v Speaker 5>geocentric spherical earth. In order to prove a globe, we

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<v Speaker 5>do not need almost anything from modern science, physics, gravity, space,

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<v Speaker 5>or heliocentrism. Then those things all you want, and it

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<v Speaker 5>only only set you back so many centuries. Modern flat

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<v Speaker 5>earth is a form of denial that is much worse.

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<v Speaker 5>Assumption to globe equals starminism wrong. If you try to

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<v Speaker 5>derive any cosmology from the Bible, you're trying to balance

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<v Speaker 5>on a toothpick. It's just not there in the text.

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<v Speaker 5>There's room in the Bible for a flat earth or

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<v Speaker 5>a globe. The Bible doesn't care. Not so with Darwin's

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<v Speaker 5>Descent of Man. The Bible gives an explicit historical narrative

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<v Speaker 5>that is deeply tied to core spiritual doctrines, and Darwin

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<v Speaker 5>tosses out all of that for a contrary historical narrative.

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<v Speaker 5>Young Earth creationism has a strong basis in scripture. Flat

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<v Speaker 5>Earth does not, if needed I'll say more on that

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<v Speaker 5>in rebuttal assumption three flat earth is historical. This one

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<v Speaker 5>is super dupor wrong. While most ancient cultures believed in

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<v Speaker 5>a flatter Earth, it turns out they still had eyes

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<v Speaker 5>and brains. They could plainly see that when the sun sets,

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<v Speaker 5>it goes below the horizon, so their cosmologies had universal

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<v Speaker 5>night time and universal daytime. Today we know the sun

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<v Speaker 5>is always up somewhere, So nowadays the idea of flat

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<v Speaker 5>earth can only exist by adapting. That started with this

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<v Speaker 5>guy right here, Samuel Burley Robot and who had the

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<v Speaker 5>bright idea of saying sunsets aren't real. In his eighteen

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<v Speaker 5>sixty five book, he wrote, and I quote, although the

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<v Speaker 5>sun is at all times above and parallel to the

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<v Speaker 5>Earth's surface, he appears to sink below the horizon. This

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<v Speaker 5>arises from a simple and everywhere a law of perspective.

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<v Speaker 5>In other words, don't believe your eyes. Sun set is

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<v Speaker 5>just an illusion because it gets too far away. This

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<v Speaker 5>idea was completely new. It started with Robotham, so I

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<v Speaker 5>call it robothemism. I researched extensively to find any ancient

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<v Speaker 5>cultures that believed this. Besides a few tenuous scraps I

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<v Speaker 5>found absolutely nothing. On the contrary. Sumerians believe the Sun

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<v Speaker 5>traveled through a tunnel under the earth every night. Egyptians

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<v Speaker 5>believed the sun god Raw traveled in a boat through

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<v Speaker 5>the underworld every night. As texts believed the earth goddess

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<v Speaker 5>felt to cootely Is swallowed and threw up the sun

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<v Speaker 5>every night. And the Book of Enoch talks about portals

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<v Speaker 5>in the east and west side to the firmament that

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<v Speaker 5>the Sun entered and exited. Despite this objective consensus of history,

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<v Speaker 5>the confusion here is immense. Flat Earthers use a bunch

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<v Speaker 5>of these diagrams about Biblical cosmology. Well, who drew these diagrams?

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<v Speaker 5>This one is from a scholar named Michael Heiser, who,

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<v Speaker 5>with others like Paul H. Sealey, said the Bible authors

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<v Speaker 5>believed in a flat earth. What kind of flat earth? Well,

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<v Speaker 5>an ancient one, so non robothemist. If Michael Heiser were

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<v Speaker 5>still alive today and we asked him to ancient Hebrews,

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<v Speaker 5>where did the sun go at night? He would look

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<v Speaker 5>at the Book of Enoch or the Epic of Gilgamesh

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<v Speaker 5>and say, well, to them, it went outside or underneath

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<v Speaker 5>the world. Heiser was not a flat earther, and once

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<v Speaker 5>wrote this blog entry titled Christians who believe the Earth

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<v Speaker 5>is really flat? Does it get any dumber than this?

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<v Speaker 5>Those are his words, not mine, as far as I know.

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<v Speaker 5>Because Heiser was so dismissive, he never took more than

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<v Speaker 5>a cursory glance at modern flat Earth, so he never

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<v Speaker 5>discerned the depth of exploitation that his work was suffering

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<v Speaker 5>at their hands. Josh, these diagrams do not support your cosmology,

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<v Speaker 5>and neither does any part of their historical basis, because

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<v Speaker 5>you espouse robothemism, not an ancient cosmology. I don't like

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<v Speaker 5>the term robothemism. While I give you the same offer

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<v Speaker 5>I give every robothemist if it give me another neutral

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<v Speaker 5>term and I will use it. Biblical or Hebrew are

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<v Speaker 5>not neutral terms for your view. By insisting on these terms,

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<v Speaker 5>you are trying to conflate two ideas so that you

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<v Speaker 5>can claim false legitimacy and false authority. And Josh, this

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<v Speaker 5>is serious. I hope you don't double down on this

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<v Speaker 5>like Flatsoid did. If a person knowingly claims that his

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<v Speaker 5>ideas are from God when they're not, that's a sin.

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<v Speaker 5>Please consider yourself warned according to Titus three ten. So

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<v Speaker 5>nearies thought wrong. This is also a relatively new idea,

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<v Speaker 5>and Josh, maybe you don't realize that it's pushed by skeptics,

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<v Speaker 5>apostates and only a very modern group of Christian scholars.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's look again at Michael Heyser. He believed the Bible

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<v Speaker 5>from the time. This is a weird conundrum. To explain it,

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<v Speaker 5>Heiser told a story of one adult using a child

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<v Speaker 5>God is the first adult and the Bible authors are

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<v Speaker 5>the child. So who's the other adult? Us? That's right.

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<v Speaker 5>In Heider's parable, he put modern man not just above

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<v Speaker 5>He takes this from a secular approach called historical criticism

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<v Speaker 5>Bible authors were first and foremost a product of their time,

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<v Speaker 5>the same as other ancient people. But wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 5>whatever happened to the idea of the Holy Spirit giving

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<v Speaker 5>openly attacks Christianity in a more naive form that Heiser likes,

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<v Speaker 5>which only compromises on divine inspiration. When the Bible authors

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<v Speaker 5>minds by looking at secular sources. Basically, Joe Heathen thought X.

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<v Speaker 5>Therefore Bob the Bible author thought why. That's the historical

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<v Speaker 5>critical approach. The hostile form actually flips this upside down.

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<v Speaker 5>Bob the Bible author only thinks why because he got

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<v Speaker 5>the idea from Joe Heathen thinking X. Josh. Whenever you

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<v Speaker 5>use Heiser's diagram or a Bible translation that says Dome

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<v Speaker 5>in Genesis one, that's the bedrock of ideas that you

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<v Speaker 5>this is God's Holy Word, then we should reject this

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<v Speaker 5>secular bias in all of its forms and simply ask

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<v Speaker 5>what is the inspired author really saying? Which brings me

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<v Speaker 5>to assumption five. A globe requires taking versus as metaphor wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>Under the heading of literal, there are at least two subcategories,

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<v Speaker 5>of the opposite, the study of reality itself, for the

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<v Speaker 5>absolute nature of things apart from our perception. So these

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<v Speaker 5>are big, fancy words, but the idea is very simple.

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<v Speaker 5>We use phenomenological language all the time. Some examples, Joe

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<v Speaker 5>eye level. There's absolutely no reason to call this kind

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<v Speaker 5>of statement figurative or metaphorical or lying. There are descriptions

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<v Speaker 5>Ontology is only eclipsed it in the last few centuries.

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<v Speaker 5>So if he read verses from Joshua ten or Job

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<v Speaker 5>You're reading through a modern lens. There is nothing in

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<v Speaker 5>the text to even hint that it's ontological. The Bible

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<v Speaker 5>describes events as they seem to the eye. That's it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's really not that hard. And if you don't believe me,

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<v Speaker 5>Ephesians four twenty six. These are my two verses right here.

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<v Speaker 5>They clearly say the sun goes up and down, which

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<v Speaker 5>if taken ontologically, would contradict robotemism, because you believe the

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<v Speaker 5>sun doesn't go up and down, that it just comes

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<v Speaker 5>and goes horizontally. So here you have no choice but

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<v Speaker 5>to agree with me that it's phenomenological. Uh oh. If

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<v Speaker 5>scripture can use phenomenology here and saying so doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 5>we lack faith, then what about only your flat earth verses? Well, Josh,

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's just about sinks your boat. If we

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<v Speaker 5>account for a phenomenology, then you got zero verses left

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<v Speaker 5>except maybe Rakia in Genesis one six, and without higher criticism,

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<v Speaker 5>that really just means expanse more on that in rebuttal time. So, Josh,

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<v Speaker 5>I have two challenges for you. Number one, your cosmology

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<v Speaker 5>If you disagree, show me one Bible verse that describes

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<v Speaker 5>a robothemist local sun just one number two without being selective.

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<v Speaker 5>Explain to me how the sun goes up and down

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<v Speaker 5>in Matthew five forty five and Iphesians four twenty six.

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<v Speaker 5>I want you to apply your own logic to yourself.

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<v Speaker 5>If saying that's how it appears denies God's word in

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<v Speaker 5>Joke thirty eight, and then it does so here as well.

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<v Speaker 5>Give me a consistent terminudic not a selective one.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, all right, great job. About eight minutes and

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<v Speaker 4>forty seconds. Just want to be clear, there's no like

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<v Speaker 4>saving time for later or anything. So you got your

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<v Speaker 4>ten minutes and then no, so if Josh would go

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<v Speaker 4>got eight extras I didn't use, give ten minutes for

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<v Speaker 2>Josh, did you get his main points down? I assume?

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<v Speaker 2>And are you yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? And Peter, great job, man, great job. I really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy the way you debate, and I think you do

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<v Speaker 1>a great job on your presentation, brother, just letting you

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<v Speaker 4>I certainly love the throw and the Titus ad on Peter,

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<v Speaker 5>I had because of flat flat.

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<v Speaker 1>I know is that it's okay? Hey, it's okay, brother,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh, hopefully I can hopefully I can present my screen

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<v Speaker 1>because my this is on one screen like of my internets,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I have like another one that I had

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<v Speaker 1>like perfectly for this, So we'll see present what I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Just share screen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, click on that present at the bottom share screen.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I see, there's a whole bunch. Okay, maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead and get a start right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So this debate is actually, does does cosmology teach

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible? It's not I mean, does a Bible teach cosmology?

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<v Speaker 1>Not not a flat versus globe. But that's okay too.

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<v Speaker 1>But so what's the definition of cosmology. It's this science

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<v Speaker 1>of the origin and development of the universe, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>science is knowledge and then it's the knowledge of the

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<v Speaker 1>origin development of the universe. Okay, so we have that

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<v Speaker 1>origin that means the point or place where something begins

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<v Speaker 1>beginning or the origin. So right there, it's already it's

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<v Speaker 1>already letting. God's already letting you know that He's going

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<v Speaker 1>to teach you the origin of the universe, or what

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<v Speaker 1>the I would say is the heavens. Right, So the

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<v Speaker 1>definition of teaching is ideas and principles taught by an authority. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So let me just legitimize the Book of Genesis before

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<v Speaker 1>we go there. And John five forty five, Jesus actually says,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, if you do not believe the words of Moses,

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<v Speaker 1>how you're gonna believe my words? So he kind of

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<v Speaker 1>m legitimizes Moses right there. Numbers twelve, verses four through eight.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lord is speaking to Aaron and Merriam. And what

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<v Speaker 1>the Lord says to Aaron and Merriam is I come

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<v Speaker 1>to Moses, I speak to him face to face or

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<v Speaker 1>King James, which is interesting. Titus one two it says

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<v Speaker 1>Book of Genesis two four it says, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>you guys know that. So it's already telling you right

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<v Speaker 1>we have the what day one God he separated, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>he said he created the light right instead, at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth

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<v Speaker 1>the deep. Spirit moved upon the face of the water.

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<v Speaker 1>So now we have the Holy Spirit there, and we

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<v Speaker 1>also have God, God the Father. In Day two, or

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<v Speaker 1>That's day one. Day two he created the firmament, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So now we have the firmament created that the word

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<v Speaker 1>is Rakiah extended surface. He does say expanse Peter. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>you believe it's an expanse where God put the moon,

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<v Speaker 1>sun and the stars in and it is space, or

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<v Speaker 1>He's still teaching a cosmology here, right. So the word

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<v Speaker 1>the CJB. Bible that actually says God said, let there

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<v Speaker 1>it divide the water from the water. God made the

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<v Speaker 1>dome and divide the water from under the dome from

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<v Speaker 1>the water above the dome. So biblically speaking, there's water

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<v Speaker 1>above the dome still, but that doesn't matter we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about does it teach cosmology, Yes, it definitely does. Day three.

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<v Speaker 1>God created the oceans, the dry land, plants and vegetation,

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<v Speaker 1>have the continents, the dry land, the vegetation, and then

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<v Speaker 1>day four, okay, we have God creating the moon, sun

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<v Speaker 1>and the stars also, and guess what he did. He

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<v Speaker 1>placed them in the firmament. Okay, so that's what it

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<v Speaker 1>says in the Bible. It says he created two great lights,

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<v Speaker 1>the greater delight rule today, which is the sun less

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<v Speaker 1>delight to ule the night which the moon. And he

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<v Speaker 1>Whether you believe the firmament is an expanse of space

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<v Speaker 1>in not inside of the firmament, but in or under.

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<v Speaker 1>But you could say that it's an expanse of space

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<v Speaker 1>as well, if you want to believe either way. He's

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<v Speaker 1>still teaching a cosmology here. Okay, So now we have

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<v Speaker 1>now we have so that is like the what he created. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So now we have when I believe, like Peter believes,

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<v Speaker 1>so he created them to He created the moon, some

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<v Speaker 1>created it for signs for seasons, for years, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for time. Right, So we have that. So basically we

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<v Speaker 1>have the who, what, when, where? And now we have

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<v Speaker 1>the how. How did he create it? He spoke it

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<v Speaker 1>into existence, So he's teaching you exactly the who, what, when, where,

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<v Speaker 1>and how? Which is going to be all principles and

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<v Speaker 1>ideas cre spoken from an authority. Now, when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to the Book of Genesis, I would say that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a first hand account from God. It would have to be,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you agree? So all I'm going to say here

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<v Speaker 1>is that this debate is whether the Bible teaches cosmology.

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<v Speaker 1>And right now, I just went through everything just in

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<v Speaker 1>the Book of Genesis, not even going through other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But you want to talk about robothemism, right, I'm okay

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<v Speaker 1>with calling me that. I do believe that the sun

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<v Speaker 1>does does circuit the heaven, just like it says in

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<v Speaker 1>Psalms nineteen, verses two through six. Let me go there

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<v Speaker 1>real quick so that you understand what I want to say. Oops,

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<v Speaker 1>my God, why did I do that? Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go to Psalms nineteen two through six really

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<v Speaker 1>just so I could shut this down real fast. And

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, it says, the heavens declare the glory

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<v Speaker 1>of God and the firmament show it this handiwork. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing you need to understand. If you're taking

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<v Speaker 1>away the cosmology from the Bible, you're taking away the

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<v Speaker 1>glory from God. And if you're saying there's no firmament,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're also you're taking away God's handiwork. If you

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<v Speaker 1>click on that word, it's actually God's achievement. It says,

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<v Speaker 1>day and today utter a speech to night and tonight

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<v Speaker 1>show acknowledge. There is no speech nor language where the

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<v Speaker 1>voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through

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<v Speaker 1>all the earth, and their words to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. In them, He has set a tabernacle for

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<v Speaker 1>the sun. The word tabernacle click on that. It means

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<v Speaker 1>tent or it means Jehovah's tent. So God's tent, which

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<v Speaker 1>is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber and

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<v Speaker 1>rejoices as a strong man to run a race. He

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<v Speaker 1>is going forth to the end of the heaven, and

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<v Speaker 1>his circuit is to the ends of it, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing hid from the heat thereof. So what it's saying

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<v Speaker 1>is is the is the sun is not going down

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<v Speaker 1>underneath the earth like you're thinking. What he's saying is

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<v Speaker 1>that the sun is going forth and doing his circuit

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<v Speaker 1>in the heaven. Do you understand. So what it's saying

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<v Speaker 1>is it's moving in a circuit in the heaven. There's

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<v Speaker 1>three heavens in the Bible, Okay. First heaven is where

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<v Speaker 1>the moon, sun, and the stars are located. The second

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<v Speaker 1>heaven is called the firmament, that's Genesis one to eighth.

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<v Speaker 1>The third heaven is where God's throne is located. If

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<v Speaker 1>you go to a second Corinthians twelve, you're gonna see

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<v Speaker 1>Paul talking about going to the third heaven. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>also if you go to I don't know how far

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<v Speaker 1>I am in time. I'm sorry, I haven't even been

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<v Speaker 1>watching Doctor Jay. How much time do I have?

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<v Speaker 2>Left, you have about two and a half minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So if you go to the book of Ezekiel

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<v Speaker 1>one twenty six, it talks about God's throne being above

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<v Speaker 1>the firmament. If you go to Ezekiel ten to one,

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<v Speaker 1>it talks about God's throne being above the firmament. If

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<v Speaker 1>you go to Amos ninety six, it's talking about God

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<v Speaker 1>walking in the layers of heaven, right, and it says

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<v Speaker 1>that God planted his vaulted dome over the earth. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the nasb That word is actually called it's binding. It's

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<v Speaker 1>binding Heaven to the earth. Okay, So when you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that the Hebrew cosmody conception, there's no portal for

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<v Speaker 1>the sun to go down into Okay, there's nothing like

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<v Speaker 1>that in the Bible, and there's nothing like that even

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<v Speaker 1>in the Book of Enoch. Any ancient cosmology you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>there is something about portals, Peter, but it's not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about going underneath the earth. I don't know where you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting that from. There's ancient cosmology that might have that,

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<v Speaker 1>But the Bible's cosmology is God's cosmology. It's not ancient cosmology.

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<v Speaker 1>These people are this is a blank slate that Moses

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<v Speaker 1>had from God, and God told him exactly what he created,

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<v Speaker 1>when he created it, how he created it, and why

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<v Speaker 1>he created it. So if you're saying that cosmology is

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<v Speaker 1>not teached in the Bible, no offense to you. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not trying to say that you're trying to be bad

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<v Speaker 1>or you're trying to sin or anything like that, but

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<v Speaker 1>you are taking the glory away from God, and you

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<v Speaker 1>are also taking away God's achievement, you know. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's very important, and it's the cosmology of the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible is very important because there's there's conversations like we're having,

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<v Speaker 1>and also when we have to go against atheists and

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<v Speaker 1>debate against people that don't believe in God, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to show him the glory and the power of who

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<v Speaker 1>created it, why he created it, when he created it,

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<v Speaker 1>and what he created. So there's my time, go ahead, all.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Thank you so much about nine minutes. So both

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<v Speaker 4>of you did a nice job. Really appreciate you guys

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<v Speaker 4>having a presentation for us an intro. So if you

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<v Speaker 4>want to get your questions in, please jump those in

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<v Speaker 4>right now. We want to go ahead and get those

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<v Speaker 4>going so we can answer those at the end. If

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<v Speaker 4>we get too many, we do not finish them all.

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<v Speaker 4>If you give a super chat, of course we will

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<v Speaker 4>get that in. But if it gets too long, we

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<v Speaker 4>will cut it off and we won't be able to

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<v Speaker 4>answer all the questions. So get those questions in early Peter,

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<v Speaker 4>we able to any questions about specific meaning. Do you

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<v Speaker 4>know the points that Josh was able to make and

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<v Speaker 4>are you ready to go ahead and respond or do

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<v Speaker 4>you needy clarification on any specific I.

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<v Speaker 5>Have some notes on my own, but I would, I guess,

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<v Speaker 5>appreciate if Josh could give any like summary of what.

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<v Speaker 1>Is point you can just put like the who, what, when, where, why,

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<v Speaker 1>and how in the book of Genesis. I basically stuck

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<v Speaker 1>with Genesis because that's the origin, and that's the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of who created the heavens in the earth, why he

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<v Speaker 1>created the heavens in the earth, what he created? And

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<v Speaker 1>also in the beginning I did a definition of what

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<v Speaker 1>cosmology actually is. It's the origin in the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the universe, right and in the Bible it would be

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<v Speaker 1>called the heavens. They don't have a word universe in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible, but it is the heavens. So my point

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<v Speaker 1>is I'm not trying to try to tell you, like

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<v Speaker 1>if the Earth is flat or if it's round in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible. That's not this debate. If we had this debate,

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<v Speaker 1>then I would be in a total different ballgame. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be going over verse after verse. But this is more

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<v Speaker 1>of does the Bible teach cosmology? You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it is. This is not about whether the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth is flat or not.

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<v Speaker 4>This one that sounds good, So Peter, you go ahead

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<v Speaker 4>and be ready to respond to that. I think this

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<v Speaker 4>might seem a little bit intuitive. I'm actually gonna let

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<v Speaker 4>Josh go ahead and grill Peter's points first. So Peter, Josh,

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<v Speaker 4>if you want to go grill Peter's point, let him respond.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go ahead and do that.

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<v Speaker 4>Time guys, I'm going to start a timer, and how

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<v Speaker 4>much time you take, I'll provide Peter that same amount

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<v Speaker 4>of Okay, I'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Just say geocentric, not flat. That's absolutely correct. I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>agree with you. The Bible does not say that the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth is flat. If the Bible has a dome and

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<v Speaker 1>it connects to the Earth and and everything that the

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<v Speaker 1>that like, if I go if I went verse after

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<v Speaker 1>verse after verse, which I'm not going to do right

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<v Speaker 1>now to you, because that's not what it's about. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm absolutely okay with the with the Earth just being

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<v Speaker 1>geocentric if it were a globe, okay. But I do

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<v Speaker 1>believe the Bible teaches the Earth is flat, with the

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<v Speaker 1>dome with the moon, sun of the stars in the

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<v Speaker 1>dome with the with the moon and the star and

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<v Speaker 1>moon and that over the earth.

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<v Speaker 5>Can I interject I'm confused. It sounded like a moment

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<v Speaker 5>ago you said the Bible does not teach that the

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<v Speaker 5>Earth is flat, and then just now you said it does.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what I'm trying to do is this is

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<v Speaker 1>not about whether the Bible. This is not about whether

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth is flat or not. This is not that

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<v Speaker 1>the debate. The debate is whether the Bible teaches cosmology.

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<v Speaker 1>So all I'm trying to do is your argument. You said, geocentric,

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<v Speaker 1>not flat. I said, I'm absolutely okay with geocentric. I

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<v Speaker 1>do believe the Earth is centered. And if the Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say the Earth wasn't flat, and I'm totally wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with it just being geocentric. Okay, That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say. Globe people's Darwinism very true. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about like the scientific trinity, like the Big Bang,

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<v Speaker 1>like evolution, like heliocentricity, those all are kind of get together. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So what you have is the reason why people bring

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<v Speaker 1>that type of stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not arbitrary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not going to bring it up because that

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<v Speaker 1>has nothing to do with whether the Bible teaches cosmology.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's it's an arbitrary grouping. But that is like

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<v Speaker 1>a package deal. If you believe in heliocentricism, it's really

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<v Speaker 1>no problem. But if you don't believe that, it's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>no worries. But biblically speaking, we if it's not. If

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<v Speaker 1>it's not, okay, the Bible's not gonna it's not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be like way off of what actually reality is. ATLA,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what that is. That's anything that God says,

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<v Speaker 1>anything that's in the Bible is real, Anything that science

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<v Speaker 1>comes up with that's all phenomenological because that's all from

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<v Speaker 1>Earth trying to find out what perception it is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not all it's not going to be real or one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent for me, biblically, the Bible is real. Anything

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<v Speaker 1>else is phenomenological. Because that's their perception from earth. But

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<v Speaker 1>God has given us a perception from heaven and He's

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<v Speaker 1>created it.

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<v Speaker 5>Forgive me if I'm wrong that it sounds like you are.

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<v Speaker 5>You have the impression that ontology is somehow more true

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<v Speaker 5>than phenomenology. Well, because you're saying you're comparing like things

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<v Speaker 5>that you disagree with to phenomenological and you're saying God's

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<v Speaker 5>word is ontological. Did you not see.

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<v Speaker 1>All I'm saying is ontological means what is real. Phenomenological

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<v Speaker 1>is like a perception of us.

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<v Speaker 5>Our perceptions are totally real.

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<v Speaker 1>They can be real, but they not all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're looking at the there's also a refraction and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that and perception. So if you're seeing something,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be off your eyes seeing it. And now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that it's not real if you see it.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I'm saying is I believe anything that God says.

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<v Speaker 1>No worries. Okay, let's go to your next stuff. Then

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<v Speaker 1>no worries. We don't need to talk about that. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So flad Earth is historically wrong, bro, this is okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Flat earth is historically wrong. So are you telling me

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<v Speaker 1>that Moses didn't believe that the Earth was flat. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you saying that all the people back then didn't believe

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<v Speaker 1>the earth was flat? Or do you believe that they

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<v Speaker 1>believed that there was a globe spinning through you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I am saying that anytime, we have a record of

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<v Speaker 5>what ancient people thought. By and large, they thought the

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<v Speaker 5>sun went away, gone like, not not too far away

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<v Speaker 5>to see, but just outside the world, maybe under it

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<v Speaker 5>or outside the firmament somewhere, so that it was there

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<v Speaker 5>was universal nighttime in universal daytime. Moses is not one

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<v Speaker 5>of those people. Moses did not provide enough detail about

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<v Speaker 5>the physical arrangement of the cosmos for us to assume

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<v Speaker 5>that about his mindset. And that's where I think Michael

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<v Speaker 5>Heiser and like him are wrong, you know, because they

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<v Speaker 5>look at other ancient sources and assume, oh, well, Moses

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<v Speaker 5>must have been similar to these people.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>We can't read Moses's mind. If he didn't write it down,

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<v Speaker 5>then we can't. It's not our place to assume what

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<v Speaker 5>was in his mind. So, okay, that's my position.

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<v Speaker 1>No worries, No worries. Okay, So sun going into the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>We kind of talked about that, there's nothing in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible that talks about the sun going into their whatsoever

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<v Speaker 1>and anything that any like Pagans had and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I'm not concerned with anything that they believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Like an Egyptian talking about the sun going in the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care, Enoch. I'm not saying that that's that's canon.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never even provoked it, would invoke that, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is something that is interesting, and it's a really good

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<v Speaker 1>history like to read for history to find out the

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<v Speaker 1>way that people spoke back then and to understand stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not like I could say that it's canon

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<v Speaker 1>from God's word and two Timothy it says that all

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<v Speaker 1>scripture is inspired by God. Right, So I'm gonna read

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<v Speaker 1>the Scripture and the Bible as if it's inspired Holy

651
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<v Speaker 1>Spirit breathe. And that's the way that I take it serious, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>And I know that you do too, because I heard

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<v Speaker 1>you say something earlier where you felt defended by something

654
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<v Speaker 1>I would do. But I'm just telling you the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>says nothing about that, so that doesn't I don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to argue that. I don't care about that, So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going into the earth whatever, Bro. Doctor Michael Heisner is

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<v Speaker 1>not God or the Bible. He might have had had

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<v Speaker 1>a presentation on this, but he does not believe the

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<v Speaker 1>earth is flat. And I do use his diagram. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you know why I use this diagram because he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>being honest with the text, and he's showing a diagram

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<v Speaker 1>if you took the Bible.

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<v Speaker 5>Think he is. He's using the historical critical approach, which

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<v Speaker 5>is not honest with the text, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, So being honest with the text is reading

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<v Speaker 1>the text and if even if it challenges your unconceived biases,

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<v Speaker 1>your preconceived biases, you still believe it. Bro That's what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. And there's a lot of that with me

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<v Speaker 1>because I didn't believe in flat earth or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 5>When I did you absorb anything about my point of

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<v Speaker 5>regarding historical criticism.

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<v Speaker 1>All I'm not. I'm not absorbing that part because you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about what you're trying to do is you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to not make the Bible God breathed or or or not.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're not. You're not making it like inspired

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<v Speaker 1>by God. You're trying to make it like I'm Moses

678
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<v Speaker 1>and I'm writing the Bible myself. But he's not doing that. Bro,

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<v Speaker 1>He's writing the Bible. God is inspiring everything he's writing,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's not gonna He's not gonna inspire him to write.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot, Josh. That is not what I'm saying. Okay, please,

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<v Speaker 5>that's what I was saying that people like Michael Heiser

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<v Speaker 5>are saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, no problem, I don't.

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<v Speaker 5>Take the historical critical approach. I reject the historical critical approach.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm saying that the anytime you use Michael Heiser's diagrams

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<v Speaker 5>or the Complete Jewish Bible, or you know, any kind

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<v Speaker 5>of modern scholarly resource that uses the historical critical approach,

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<v Speaker 5>that's what you're using. Unwittingly, I think, but you're you're

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<v Speaker 5>accidentally embracing this bedrock of ideas where these scholars took

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<v Speaker 5>this historical critical approach that rejects divine inspiration. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 5>to I'm trying to draw your attention to that, because

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<v Speaker 5>I think you would you would reject that reasoning if

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<v Speaker 5>you understood that that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I would, so I will reject these you know.

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<v Speaker 5>See that that's where this is coming from. When these

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<v Speaker 5>Bible scholars say, you know, the he the ancient Hebrew

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<v Speaker 5>scriptures say that the Earth is flat, or they teach

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<v Speaker 5>this certain cosmology, that's where that logic is coming from.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's not where my logic is coming from. And

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<v Speaker 1>an interpretation is different than definition. So what happens is

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<v Speaker 1>I went through I mean, because I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be teaching something that's wrong. I mean, I'm a god

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00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:59.199
<v Speaker 1>fearing Christian. I fear God, you know, I don't fear man,

705
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.800
<v Speaker 1>and I let God be true in every man a liar.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I'm reading the Bible, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be teaching anything on my podcast or to anybody. I've

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<v Speaker 1>probably done fifty shows on biblical cosmology. Okay, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be teaching it wrong either. But I do

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<v Speaker 1>go through the definitions of the Hebrew. I do go

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<v Speaker 1>through the Greek, and I try to I'm trying to

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00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.000
<v Speaker 1>make sure I'm teaching it correctly. I'm not hysteric historically

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<v Speaker 1>going back to like the Egyptians and the Mayans and

714
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.599
<v Speaker 1>all these different people. I'm literally going back to the

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<v Speaker 1>Hebrew lexicons. I'm going to the strongest recordance and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make sure I'm teaching it correctly. And if

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<v Speaker 1>I am teaching it correctly. All God can say to

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<v Speaker 1>me is, hey, at least you are being true to

719
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<v Speaker 1>my word because I'm not trying to move it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not trying to take the words and try to twist

721
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<v Speaker 1>it like the devil would do in any way. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really trying to be honest with my audience, and I'm

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00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:44.400
<v Speaker 1>trying to be honest with people. And Peter, I respect you, bro,

724
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>and I think you're super intelligent and you're super smart.

725
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I think you have a great brain, dude. You know,

726
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<v Speaker 1>I'm just being honest. I listen to your stuff, and

727
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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I think you have a great you have

728
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<v Speaker 1>a great amount of knowledge, and I think that you're

729
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<v Speaker 1>you probably are really good at taking information and then

730
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<v Speaker 1>regurgitating it and doing it well at that. You know,

731
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<v Speaker 1>I think you do good at that. So let's go

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<v Speaker 1>with your Let's go with your no no, no, no, no,

733
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<v Speaker 1>regurgitating in a in a in an awesome way. Bro,

734
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<v Speaker 1>you it's not good. I'm sorry. I wait, all right now,

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<v Speaker 1>Look when you're talking about you're talking about that the

736
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<v Speaker 1>Bible verse, I think I took a picture of it.

737
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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about the sundown and dango a picture of that.

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<v Speaker 5>You talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I did a study on this, bro So

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<v Speaker 1>do you know back then they did not speak Greek.

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<v Speaker 1>When Jesus is on the Sermon of the Mountain, you

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<v Speaker 1>know he's not speaking Greek, right, right.

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<v Speaker 5>But the well language Matthew and Paul to write Greek.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So when Jesus was on the Simmon of the

745
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<v Speaker 1>mount he spoke uh, galley and Arabaic. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>go to Galley and Aramaic and you click on sunrise,

747
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:57.639
<v Speaker 1>it could actually mean sunshine. Now I know that the

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Spirit inspired them to write that. I understand, okay,

749
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<v Speaker 1>But the Bible is not going to contradict itself. So

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<v Speaker 1>if it's talking about the sun moving in Psalms nineteen two, right,

751
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<v Speaker 1>and then like if you go to if you also

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<v Speaker 1>go to Ecclesiastes one five, it talks about sun arise

753
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.880
<v Speaker 1>and sun go down, right, and then to King James

754
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<v Speaker 1>click on that. It means the sun goes away from you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's go forth and come forth. It doesn't mean to

756
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<v Speaker 1>go down. So when it says arise and go down

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<v Speaker 1>Ecclesiastes one five, for example, it says to come forth

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<v Speaker 1>and to go Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>The case words are more ambiguous than the Greek. I

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<v Speaker 5>agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>We're trying to and I know that the Greek is

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<v Speaker 1>super at its own point. I don't know what we

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<v Speaker 1>just came up, so the popped up. Anyways, I understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>So those two are are good. I'm gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>take those verses and probably do like a bigger study

766
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.119
<v Speaker 1>on that because I don't I don't have any answers

767
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<v Speaker 1>for you at this very moment, and I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to act like I do. But I did kind of

769
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<v Speaker 1>study it a little bit because I did see you

770
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<v Speaker 1>bring that up in the Flatzoid debate, and I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great point, Peter. And if it's and if

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<v Speaker 1>I study it to all ends and the sun is

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<v Speaker 1>going down, then I'm gonna have to change some of

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that I'm thinking about biblical cosmology. But everything

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<v Speaker 1>that I've gone through basically in the Old Testament the

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<v Speaker 1>New Testament, there's no there's no contradictions there at all.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we are gonna have to talk about it when

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<v Speaker 5>on offense, we are gonna have to talk about your okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead offense.

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<v Speaker 4>That was about eleven minutes. So, Peter, if you want

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<v Speaker 4>to take eleven minutes on offense. So this is the

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<v Speaker 4>time where Peter kind of controls. So, Josh, if you're

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<v Speaker 4>talking and Peter kind of want to redirect or interrupts,

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00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, he's kind of in charge.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna let him set the let's.

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<v Speaker 1>Go maybe all respect and all glory to God, let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think a key point here is when you

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<v Speaker 5>said that cosmology is the origin of things and and everything,

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<v Speaker 5>and and that's fine, you know, but I don't want

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<v Speaker 5>us to get like sort of lost in a semantic

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<v Speaker 5>gutter here. Okay, So there's a difference between a historical

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<v Speaker 5>narrative of where things came from, like how the universe

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<v Speaker 5>came to be historically, versus and onto logical description of

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<v Speaker 5>the shape and arrangement of the cosmos as it currently is. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>do you see what I'm saying. There's a difference between

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<v Speaker 5>those things. Obviously, if the Bible is making a historical

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<v Speaker 5>narrative about the origin of the universe, then that's going

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<v Speaker 5>to touch on some cosmological concepts. When I say that

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<v Speaker 5>there are no Bible verses on cosmology, what I'm saying

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<v Speaker 5>is there are no Bible verses that describe or endorse,

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<v Speaker 5>or give whatever word you want to use here a

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<v Speaker 5>specific physical model of what the cosmos is. There just

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<v Speaker 5>aren't any Bible verses on that. So yes, most of

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<v Speaker 5>the Bible verses you were citing. I was just yep, yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's the difference between historical narrative versus an ontological

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<v Speaker 5>description of a model, you know, or or of the

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<v Speaker 5>arrangement of things. So, like I said, there's room in

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<v Speaker 5>the Bible for a flat earth or a globe. And

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<v Speaker 5>and I really I want to spend a minute on

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<v Speaker 5>some nineteen. Did you have a response first before we Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So what's your definition of cosmology? The definition, the

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<v Speaker 1>literal definition of cosmology is the science of the origin

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<v Speaker 1>and development of the universe. That's what the literal cost,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what the definition is. So I believe that I

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<v Speaker 1>met that by giving you the what, when, where, and

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<v Speaker 1>why of exactly how when the Earth was created, who

820
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.280
<v Speaker 1>created it, how he created it? I don't understand how

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<v Speaker 1>that is not that that is the origin and development

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<v Speaker 1>of our heavens or universe to a team.

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<v Speaker 5>But what about the what like what did he create?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? The what did he create? I went day by day,

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<v Speaker 1>day one, day two, day three, day four. I could go.

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<v Speaker 5>Those are just the details that it gives, like individual

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<v Speaker 5>parts of the cosmos. At no time does it say

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<v Speaker 5>God created a globe or God created a flat en

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<v Speaker 5>closed dome.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it says that he created the foundations of

831
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<v Speaker 1>the earth. Okay, this is not this is talking about

832
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<v Speaker 1>in Isaiah forty twenty two, he said in the beginning,

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00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:18.599
<v Speaker 1>II laid the foundations of the earth. Right. So when

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<v Speaker 1>it says in the beginning God created the heavens, which

835
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<v Speaker 1>is the Shamaim and the eret, which is the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>God could have laid the foundations, then he could have

837
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:28.880
<v Speaker 1>created the light the darkness, right, and he could have

838
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:32.039
<v Speaker 1>created the heavens to heavens, not that firmament yet, because

839
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:33.599
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't come un til day two. He could have

840
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:36.079
<v Speaker 1>created the heavens where He's gonna put the word the

841
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.920
<v Speaker 1>sky is going to be, and his heaven where God's

842
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:41.840
<v Speaker 1>stone is located. Right. So he laid the foundations of

843
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the earth in the beginning, right, So that is like

844
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:48.239
<v Speaker 1>the foundation all right. He says that he created the firmament,

845
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:51.079
<v Speaker 1>which is a solid dome, and in Hebrew. It is

846
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:53.840
<v Speaker 1>whether you believe it's not, you believe that it's space.

847
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 1>Whatever you believe it is, He's still telling you exactly

848
00:42:56.599 --> 00:43:00.280
<v Speaker 1>what he created day by day. And even in Genesis two,

849
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.639
<v Speaker 1>verse four, he says, this is the history where he

850
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:05.360
<v Speaker 1>could say the origin of the heavens and the earth

851
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.039
<v Speaker 1>on the day that the Lord created him. He's telling

852
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:11.440
<v Speaker 1>you exactly what he created, where he placed them, and

853
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:13.719
<v Speaker 1>also the greater light to rule the day.

854
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.760
<v Speaker 6>Why he everything I said again, He's given a lot

855
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:21.880
<v Speaker 6>of teaching cosmology tail mostly chronological detail because it's a

856
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:26.960
<v Speaker 6>historical narrative, but nothing in that disambiguates between a flat

857
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:28.159
<v Speaker 6>or a globe.

858
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:29.000
<v Speaker 5>It just doesn't.

859
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:31.440
<v Speaker 1>This isn't about whether it's flatter globe. This is about

860
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:35.519
<v Speaker 1>whether the Bible teaches cosmology. Bron we could have had

861
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>a debate, if you want to do a debate on

862
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.480
<v Speaker 1>flat versus globe. Let's restart this thing up brow and

863
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I'll go to different dates.

864
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:45.239
<v Speaker 5>But where I'm at right from maybe what happened here

865
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.840
<v Speaker 5>is that we agreed on you know, does the Bible

866
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:52.440
<v Speaker 5>teach cosmology? And in my mind that was does the

867
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:56.719
<v Speaker 5>Bible endorse a particular cosmological model, and in your mind

868
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:01.199
<v Speaker 5>that was does the Bible ever reference and concepts pertaining

869
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:02.480
<v Speaker 5>to cosmology whatsoever?

870
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:09.280
<v Speaker 1>There's only one cosmology available at all, Doctor j you're Christian, Peter,

871
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:12.639
<v Speaker 1>you're Christian. I'm Christian. The only cosmology I'm gonna follow

872
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.440
<v Speaker 1>is exactly what the Lord God himself would say. Why

873
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:18.840
<v Speaker 1>am I gonna listen to cosmology from flight fight the

874
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.079
<v Speaker 1>flat Earth? No offense Osian, Osian or all these people

875
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.840
<v Speaker 1>that are scientists. I'm The only cosmology that I have

876
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.159
<v Speaker 1>available and I'm gonna go with is the one who

877
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.159
<v Speaker 1>created it, the Lord God. Bro. That's the cosmogonist.

878
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:34.920
<v Speaker 5>So God manded us to subdue the earth and have

879
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.800
<v Speaker 5>dominion over it. He gave us. He told Adam to

880
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:38.639
<v Speaker 5>name the animals.

881
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 1>It says, the earth no worries. So what does that

882
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:43.519
<v Speaker 1>have to do with the cosmos.

883
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:46.559
<v Speaker 5>It's our job to study God's creation.

884
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:57.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, oh, I'm sorry what happened here? I like

885
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.519
<v Speaker 1>Ozian man, He's a good guy. So okay, hey, this

886
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:03.079
<v Speaker 1>is what this is? All all I needed to do

887
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:06.800
<v Speaker 1>in this debate, because this is does the Bible teach cosmology?

888
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.719
<v Speaker 1>All I have to do is define what cosmology is,

889
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:12.960
<v Speaker 1>and I have to define define teaching. And when I

890
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.480
<v Speaker 1>define these two and I go through the entire book

891
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:19.159
<v Speaker 1>of Genesis, I'm showing you, dude, there's there's no debating this, bro,

892
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.519
<v Speaker 1>there's no debating this at all. Does the Bible teach cosmology? Yes,

893
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:23.519
<v Speaker 1>it teaches you to be.

894
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:27.159
<v Speaker 5>Technicality.

895
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:29.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not telling what I wonder lost. That's not what

896
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:34.239
<v Speaker 1>it's about. What I'm telling you is God wanted God

897
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:34.440
<v Speaker 1>like me.

898
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:39.239
<v Speaker 4>Where we've gotten here is Peter was understanding cosmology is

899
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:43.639
<v Speaker 4>something different than Josh, meaning Josh understood it slightly more broadly. Peter,

900
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:48.679
<v Speaker 4>would you agree that the Bible teaches cosmology if defining it, Josh,

901
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:53.679
<v Speaker 4>but you don't think it talks about collegemology defining it

902
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:54.440
<v Speaker 4>the way you did.

903
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Does that sound accurate?

904
00:45:56.679 --> 00:46:00.599
<v Speaker 5>Yes? I I agree that the Bible teaches a historical

905
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:07.880
<v Speaker 5>narrative about the cosmos. Yes, I don't believe the Bible

906
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.559
<v Speaker 5>endorses a particular cosmology cosmological model.

907
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, do we need to go with what cosmology? Does

908
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the Bible teach? Is that what we need to get into?

909
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Because all, okay, there's no way you can.

910
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:22.519
<v Speaker 5>Thought that's what we were getting into.

911
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:27.320
<v Speaker 1>No, No, no, no, no, you're talking about physics now, astrophysics.

912
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:30.639
<v Speaker 1>You're not talking about cosmology. The cosmology is is the

913
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:32.119
<v Speaker 1>origin of the universe.

914
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.719
<v Speaker 5>No, no, okay, if you're going to make a distinction there,

915
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.280
<v Speaker 5>the correct term for what you're referring to is cosmogony.

916
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Cosmogony, okay.

917
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:45.039
<v Speaker 5>Cosmology is the study of the cosmos as it exists currently.

918
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.800
<v Speaker 1>And didn't I lay out exactly where God placed the moon,

919
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Sun and the stars? Where you put the sun, the moon,

920
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:52.199
<v Speaker 1>exactly where you put the star.

921
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.119
<v Speaker 5>Up details cosmogicle.

922
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:57.400
<v Speaker 1>You said there's not one verse that has to do

923
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.519
<v Speaker 1>with cosmology in the Bible. I just named like maybe

924
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:05.840
<v Speaker 1>at least Genesis one.

925
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Peter agrees with your definitely, if you use your definition.

926
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.480
<v Speaker 4>Let's try to focus in though, on discussing whether the

927
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:19.840
<v Speaker 4>Bible teaches a particular cosmological model. Let's use the word model, right, Okay,

928
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:25.559
<v Speaker 4>thank you. So I'm not saying your definition was wrong

929
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:27.400
<v Speaker 4>or anything like that. I'm just trying to kind of

930
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:29.119
<v Speaker 4>keep the conversation going, Peter.

931
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Peter did not want to go flat versus globe. I

932
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:35.719
<v Speaker 1>asked him, let's talk about does the Bible teach flatfirs globe,

933
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:37.880
<v Speaker 1>or we could do geocentric or whatever.

934
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:40.679
<v Speaker 5>The reason that I tried to steer away from that

935
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:45.599
<v Speaker 5>is because it is almost a universal tactic of flat

936
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:48.880
<v Speaker 5>earthers to say, well, show me a Bible verse that

937
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:54.639
<v Speaker 5>says the globe. That's a straw man. The endorses a

938
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:58.840
<v Speaker 5>globe cosmology. I don't think it endorses any cosmological model.

939
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 5>So I wanted to specifically avoid that straw man, and

940
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.719
<v Speaker 5>that's why I had that emphasis. I'm sorry if that

941
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:08.679
<v Speaker 5>caused confusion.

942
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:11.039
<v Speaker 1>All that caused me to do is just study it

943
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:13.320
<v Speaker 1>does a Bible teach cosmology? And I was like, yeah, exactly,

944
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I could tell you exactly what's wrong with that. Bro.

945
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.400
<v Speaker 5>It's just unfortunate because it seems like there was a

946
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.760
<v Speaker 5>silly misunderstanding. That's why I keep laughing.

947
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:28.400
<v Speaker 1>The misunderstanding is you wanted when I asked you if

948
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:30.519
<v Speaker 1>you want to do flat versus globe biblically. I had

949
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:32.679
<v Speaker 1>no problem doing that. But I understand that the Bible

950
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:34.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't teach a glow but you can try to, at

951
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.039
<v Speaker 1>least I don't know. There's probably maybe a few Bible

952
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.400
<v Speaker 1>verses you can try to pull, but I have no

953
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:41.159
<v Speaker 1>interest in doing What would you like to start, bro,

954
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.599
<v Speaker 1>Because we're already like forty minutes in and we've we've

955
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:46.320
<v Speaker 1>already kind of done our thing. I mean, what do

956
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:47.960
<v Speaker 1>you what do you want to ask me any questions?

957
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you

958
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.480
<v Speaker 1>a question real quick about about the model that you're

959
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:56.400
<v Speaker 1>talking about. So in the Book of Revelation, it says

960
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:59.440
<v Speaker 1>that all the stars are going to fall to the earth. Okay,

961
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:02.719
<v Speaker 1>if you have a dome with the moon, sun of

962
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:05.159
<v Speaker 1>the stars in the firmament, and then you have a

963
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.519
<v Speaker 1>flat earth connected to the dome, all the stars can

964
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:11.480
<v Speaker 1>fall to the earth, no problem. In your model that

965
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:15.440
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about, it's absolutely impossible because the stars are

966
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:18.039
<v Speaker 1>actually bigger than suns. You know, they're they're all going

967
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:19.480
<v Speaker 1>to fall to the earth. How does that work for

968
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:20.360
<v Speaker 1>you in your model?

969
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.559
<v Speaker 5>Well, there's a few things things that come to my mind,

970
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:27.000
<v Speaker 5>but I have to be totally honest, I don't know.

971
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:31.000
<v Speaker 5>The Revelation is full of prophecy, and the thing about

972
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:35.039
<v Speaker 5>prophecy is that very often it's not even intended to

973
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:41.599
<v Speaker 5>be understood until in retrospect. It's like it's like it's

974
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:44.760
<v Speaker 5>like God saying, I'm gonna call this right now, that

975
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:48.679
<v Speaker 5>this is gonna happen, and you know, and basically it's

976
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:51.559
<v Speaker 5>a sign for us later when it does happen. But

977
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:56.559
<v Speaker 5>we can't decipher that ahead of time all the time.

978
00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:58.840
<v Speaker 5>Sometimes we can if he means for us too, But

979
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:04.719
<v Speaker 5>I don't believe that revelation is fully decipherable beforehand. It

980
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:08.360
<v Speaker 5>is prophecy, and most of it is visions anyway. A

981
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:12.760
<v Speaker 5>lot of it is like clearly metaphorical or symbolic imagery,

982
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:17.599
<v Speaker 5>and so you know, I really don't know what it

983
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.400
<v Speaker 5>means when Revelation says that all the stars are going

984
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.400
<v Speaker 5>to fall to the earth. One possibility is that it

985
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:26.239
<v Speaker 5>could be referring to a meteor shower, because I believe

986
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:32.519
<v Speaker 5>in the understanding, like in the in the language of

987
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:36.679
<v Speaker 5>people in ancient times, meteors were the same as stars,

988
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.599
<v Speaker 5>you know, shooting stars. We still use that phrase today,

989
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:45.039
<v Speaker 5>So that could be an answer, But I don't know. Yeah,

990
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:45.880
<v Speaker 5>it's prophecy.

991
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:48.920
<v Speaker 1>It's in also, it's in Mark thirteen twenty five. Jesus

992
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:51.159
<v Speaker 1>is speaking, it says, and the stars shall fall, and

993
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:54.360
<v Speaker 1>the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. Isaiah

994
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:56.800
<v Speaker 1>thirty four to four says and the host of heaven

995
00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:59.199
<v Speaker 1>host another word for host of stars shall be dissolved,

996
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.679
<v Speaker 1>and the heavens shall you rolled together as a scroll

997
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:04.800
<v Speaker 1>as the hosts shall fall down. And also in second Peter,

998
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:06.880
<v Speaker 1>it talks about the stars falling as well, So those

999
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.960
<v Speaker 1>are not those are prophathetic. But Jesus is speaking there

1000
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:12.239
<v Speaker 1>and then Peter is speaking as well, saying the stars

1001
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:14.440
<v Speaker 1>are going to fall. So that's something you should maybe

1002
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.639
<v Speaker 1>take into account and study because that's very interesting. Then

1003
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:24.719
<v Speaker 1>because a heliocentric which is heliocentric model, that'd be impossible, right,

1004
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:28.360
<v Speaker 1>all the stars falling to Earth. I mean if that

1005
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:30.760
<v Speaker 1>was true. But if you have a flat Earth with

1006
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:32.920
<v Speaker 1>a dome with the moon sent and the stars in it,

1007
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.400
<v Speaker 1>all of them could definitely fall to the Earth, no problem,

1008
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.079
<v Speaker 1>right if they're not the same as defined in science.

1009
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:42.440
<v Speaker 5>Right now, I mean, those are all prophecies. So everything

1010
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.840
<v Speaker 5>I just said about revelation applies to those verses as well. Okay,

1011
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:49.599
<v Speaker 5>and maybe you could say that, Okay, you know, here

1012
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:53.519
<v Speaker 5>is one verse where my cosmological model makes a little

1013
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.559
<v Speaker 5>more sense than yours. Okay, you know you can take

1014
00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:01.800
<v Speaker 5>that point. I don't mind. I don't believe that there's

1015
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:02.880
<v Speaker 5>enough to win the battle.

1016
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:08.559
<v Speaker 1>But let's let me ask you this. Okay. So, uh,

1017
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:12.079
<v Speaker 1>talking about like the Earth being fixed and immovable, there's

1018
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:15.480
<v Speaker 1>verses that are like that. Okay, Now, the earth does shake,

1019
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:18.239
<v Speaker 1>right it It talks about it wobbling and shaking. Earth

1020
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:20.320
<v Speaker 1>can also mean a few different things. It can mean land,

1021
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:22.519
<v Speaker 1>it can mean foundations of the Earth, or it can

1022
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.639
<v Speaker 1>mean the earth. Okay, So when it's talking about the

1023
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 1>earth being fixed and immovable and cannot be moved forever,

1024
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.840
<v Speaker 1>or it says that the fix the earth is fixed

1025
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:33.679
<v Speaker 1>and the world cannot be moved, or there's there's about

1026
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 1>five verses there in the Book of Zachariat also says

1027
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.840
<v Speaker 1>that the Earth cannot be moved. Yeah. I don't see

1028
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.159
<v Speaker 1>anywhere in the Bible. Not only that that you know

1029
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:42.920
<v Speaker 1>about the globe and flat thing, but this is more

1030
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:45.599
<v Speaker 1>like of the heliocentric thing. I don't see anywhere in

1031
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:47.880
<v Speaker 1>the Bible where the Earth is moving. Can you give

1032
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:50.400
<v Speaker 1>me a verse that it talks about the Earth moving?

1033
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.079
<v Speaker 5>Well, no, you just gout covered it. And this is why,

1034
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:55.800
<v Speaker 5>like again I said, the Bible does not teach a

1035
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.119
<v Speaker 5>globe cosmology. You know, we get that from science, not

1036
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.800
<v Speaker 5>from the Bible. But I'm really glad you brought this

1037
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:05.599
<v Speaker 5>up because this is kind of cool to me. Okay,

1038
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:10.360
<v Speaker 5>So number one, it's phenomenological, like I said, so if

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<v Speaker 5>you're standing on the Earth, to you, the Earth does

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<v Speaker 5>not move. Okay, It's it's that simple. But number two,

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<v Speaker 5>and this is where things get fun for me, because

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<v Speaker 5>I I was I would read the Bible as a teenager,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and and and connect this in my mind

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<v Speaker 5>with what I know about science. Okay, the Earth is

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<v Speaker 5>in an orbital orbital path around the Sun, and the

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<v Speaker 5>Earth is like I don't I don't know, something like

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00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:44.119
<v Speaker 5>trillions and trillions of kilograms. Okay, it's no one is

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00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:49.880
<v Speaker 5>gonna move Earth out of that orbital path. Nothing and

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00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:53.639
<v Speaker 5>no one in the whole universe can do that. Only

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00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:58.320
<v Speaker 5>God can do that. And it's it's just like it's

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00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:04.159
<v Speaker 5>absolutely fixed in its orbital trajectory, and that orbital trajectory

1052
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:06.880
<v Speaker 5>is cyclic, so it's it's got a path and it

1053
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.079
<v Speaker 5>follows that path and nothing can deviate it. It is

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<v Speaker 5>so firmly established in that sense that like I would

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<v Speaker 5>just feel warmth every time I read those verses, knowing

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00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:25.239
<v Speaker 5>what I know about science and think yes, knowing what

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00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:29.719
<v Speaker 5>we know about science, these verses agree God established the

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00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.119
<v Speaker 5>earth and no one can move it. So I mean

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<v Speaker 5>you might watch in like sci fi movies where oh, no,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the the bogons have come and blown up

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<v Speaker 5>the earth. No, that's not gonna happen. God has firmly

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<v Speaker 5>established the earth. So that's my take on that.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you believe it's just fixed in the orbit. Okay, well, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that's well.

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<v Speaker 5>And also theogal.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so all right is there? Okay, So do you

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<v Speaker 1>know that in the in the Mormon Bible, which I

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<v Speaker 1>do not follow. I don't I don't believe scripture whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 1>it says that the Sun stands still and the Earth

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<v Speaker 1>moves around the Sun. It actually says that in that Bible. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the only Bible verse that goes along with

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<v Speaker 1>what you just said right there without adding because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't add to the you know what, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus says in Revelation. Do not add to the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>right in Revelation, or else you're going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>race out of the Book of Life. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like to add to the Bible. So if you say

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<v Speaker 1>that God says the Bible the Earth is fixed and immovable.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take that as it's fixed and immovable,

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<v Speaker 1>not in its orbit at all or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, now, but you're forcing it onto logical reading there

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<v Speaker 5>it like I said, it could be phenomenologically.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just taking the Bible serious, bro, like I'm taking

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<v Speaker 1>every world that was placed serious too. Okay. Anyways, that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So now I just want to get your I'm picking

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<v Speaker 1>your brain here, Peter, because I want to find out

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<v Speaker 1>what you believe. Anybody else's listening out there, I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know what Peter believes. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>say that that's what you believe when you read that verse,

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<v Speaker 1>then at least I'm I'm knowing now what someone that

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<v Speaker 1>believes in the un.

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<v Speaker 5>Again, we don't get helio centrism from the Bible. We

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<v Speaker 5>get it from science because God commanded us to fulfill

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<v Speaker 5>the earth and subdue it to have dominion, and that's

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<v Speaker 5>what we do with science, and we study his creation,

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00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:13.079
<v Speaker 5>we learn how he made the world. That's our job,

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<v Speaker 5>not his.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the people that are giving you that though

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00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:20.000
<v Speaker 1>those are trying to a lot of the people that

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00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.599
<v Speaker 1>are like kind of give you this, this heliocentric, all

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00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:24.960
<v Speaker 1>this stuff. They're trying to give you a world absent

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<v Speaker 1>from God, though you do.

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00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:29.039
<v Speaker 5>All two of them are trying to not all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Not all of them.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not saying most of them are trying to do

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<v Speaker 5>their best and from God. There are obviously there are

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00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:39.599
<v Speaker 5>worldview biases, but I'll tell you what, Josh, I believe

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00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:46.800
<v Speaker 5>worldview biases are much more. They have a much bigger

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00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:51.239
<v Speaker 5>impact on questions of origin and history than they do

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00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:57.480
<v Speaker 5>about observable science. So I actually tend to believe any

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00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:03.599
<v Speaker 5>random science fact that I read from like atheists and

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00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:08.119
<v Speaker 5>evolutionists and everything, if I know that they observed it

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00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:12.559
<v Speaker 5>with their own eyes or calculated it from direct observations.

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<v Speaker 5>So you know, I question radiometric dating, I questioned the

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00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:21.280
<v Speaker 5>Big Bang cosmogony, I question Darwin's like narrative of how

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00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:25.719
<v Speaker 5>we got species because none of those things are direct observations.

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<v Speaker 5>Because scientists today don't have to lie to think that.

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<v Speaker 5>You see what I'm saying, it's in the past, so

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<v Speaker 5>it's filtered through their worldview they are. They look at

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<v Speaker 5>what they see in the present and then they interpret

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00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:46.679
<v Speaker 5>that using their worldview. To make a narrative about the past,

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00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:49.960
<v Speaker 5>and that's where they go wrong. But if it's something

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<v Speaker 5>they're observing in a laboratory or through a telescope today,

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<v Speaker 5>they're generally pretty spot on.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you a question. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>it says in the Bible, and if he's in six

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<v Speaker 1>twelve that we wrestle not against flesh and blood, where

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<v Speaker 1>principalities of evil, host of wickedness in high places. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So there is a devil waiting to prowl on for

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<v Speaker 1>hundred pounds. So don't you believe that the devil can

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<v Speaker 1>influence men to create a cosmology that is separate from

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible, that's completely inverted, like an earth that is moving,

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<v Speaker 1>like a non firmament, like the moon sent of the stars,

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<v Speaker 1>being in some infinite space where where God's thrown is

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<v Speaker 1>getting further and further away because.

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<v Speaker 5>Not even physically located in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's let me tell you something. I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you this, Peter. The Bible says this, and

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<v Speaker 1>first in Ezekiel one twenty six it says that God's

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<v Speaker 1>thrown is above the firmament, and Isaiah it says that

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<v Speaker 1>God is basically above the fermaent looking down on us

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00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.360
<v Speaker 1>like grasshoppers, you know what I mean. So God's throne

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<v Speaker 1>is above the firmament, whether you like it or not,

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00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:58.400
<v Speaker 1>the Bible says that.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, actually I think it's Ezekiel is talking about a

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00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:04.519
<v Speaker 5>different firmament. It's not even the one in Genesis. It's

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<v Speaker 5>because that's a vision that is equal.

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<v Speaker 1>The vision from who who is the vision from? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>From God?

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00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Is God able to lie?

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00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:14.800
<v Speaker 5>I didn't say he was lying.

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00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:16.559
<v Speaker 1>No, I know, I know, I know, But think about

1153
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:19.880
<v Speaker 1>it this way. God, It's impossible for God to lie.

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<v Speaker 1>So if God says that his throne is above the firmament,

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<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't say anything again, look again, it says

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00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:30.920
<v Speaker 1>am if he's giving a vision, there is only one firmament.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bible doesn't talk about firmaments that God the Bible.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, actually, maybe this is a good time. Maybe this

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00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:42.440
<v Speaker 5>is a good time for me to share my screen.

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<v Speaker 5>And you gotta get out this other presentation I had

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<v Speaker 5>on this rebuttal point.

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<v Speaker 1>On the Okay, let's go all right, So, and much

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<v Speaker 1>respect to you, peter A. I think you're doing a

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<v Speaker 1>great job so far. Man. I just want to give

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<v Speaker 1>you a big thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to say, also, I really appreciate where you're

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01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:07.280
<v Speaker 5>coming from and how you're approaching this. You are such

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<v Speaker 5>a breath of fresh air after Flatzoid any flatzoid.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I love you too, Bro, And I like Flatzoid too.

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01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I think he's cool. And I love you Peter and

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01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:18.760
<v Speaker 1>doctor J I love you too, brother, God bless you

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01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:24.119
<v Speaker 1>all right? So and Ozan, how you're still doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have a presentation? Peter? I'm not seeing it

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01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:27.960
<v Speaker 2>to be able to put it up on.

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<v Speaker 5>The I tried to share my screen. Is it working? Oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I guess I have to Okay, now I now I

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<v Speaker 5>see what I did wrong? Okay? Is that working?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? Is okay?

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<v Speaker 5>So rakia means expanse and we could we could just

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01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:52.079
<v Speaker 5>bring out strong dictionary rakia. This is a noun form

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<v Speaker 5>of the verb raka.

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<v Speaker 1>Spread end.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So like a rakey is something that has been

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<v Speaker 5>rock God, if I can sort of mash together Hebrew

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01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:11.519
<v Speaker 5>and English. So what does raca mean to like you said,

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01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:17.880
<v Speaker 5>to pound or figuratively to expand by hammering, like like

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<v Speaker 5>you know metallurgists might do as a sheet of metal. Yes,

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01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:27.920
<v Speaker 5>sometimes the thing rock cod is metal like in Exodus

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<v Speaker 5>thirty nine, number sixteen, Isaiah forty Jeremia tenth. But not always.

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<v Speaker 5>There are a number of things that have been rockd

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01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:43.920
<v Speaker 5>in scripture. There's metal, there's the earth. There's some uses

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<v Speaker 5>with no direct object at all, and it says just

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01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:51.880
<v Speaker 5>raca with with one's feet. It says in Job thirty

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<v Speaker 5>seven that the clouds have been rock cod And this

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01:01:56.599 --> 01:02:00.320
<v Speaker 5>is this one's really interesting. Right here, in second Manuel

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<v Speaker 5>twenty two forty three, it says that God racause people. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>so let's look at that verse Second Samuel, I actually

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<v Speaker 5>have the interlinear earth right here on the next slide,

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<v Speaker 5>twenty two forty three.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very hard to see for me.

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<v Speaker 5>In the English Standard version, it says I beat them

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<v Speaker 5>as fine as the dust of the earth. I crushed

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<v Speaker 5>them and stamped them down like the mire of the streets.

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<v Speaker 5>So looking at the interlinear here, it says, and I

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<v Speaker 5>beat them as fine as the dust of the earth,

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<v Speaker 5>like dirt in the streets. I trod them and and

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<v Speaker 5>here's where the word rockey is used. I spread them out, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>spread as one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right.

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<v Speaker 5>The really interesting thing to me here is that there

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<v Speaker 5>are three different actions in this sentence. There's beat, crush,

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<v Speaker 5>and stamp, and you'd think reading the English, oh, this

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<v Speaker 5>one might be raka or this one might be raca.

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<v Speaker 5>But the first two are not raka. Those are different verbs,

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01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:22.039
<v Speaker 5>even though they sound similar. The first one is shahak.

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<v Speaker 5>I think, is that how that might be pronounced? And

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01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:30.480
<v Speaker 5>then duck hawk And it's like, these are different verbs.

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<v Speaker 5>They refer to like a different type of action. You know,

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01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:36.559
<v Speaker 5>they might be synonyms, like there are situations where they

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<v Speaker 5>might have a similar usage. But the only time in

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01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:44.039
<v Speaker 5>this verse that God uses the word raka is when

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01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:47.760
<v Speaker 5>he's referring not too dirt, not to Mayer in the streets,

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01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:51.840
<v Speaker 5>but to people. And I just thought that was very interesting.

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01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:57.960
<v Speaker 5>So I had Flatzoid bring this up in the Blue

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01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:04.239
<v Speaker 5>Letter Bible concerning Rakia, and he was like saying, oh, look,

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01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:08.079
<v Speaker 5>it says, you know, solid expanse firmament flat as a base.

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<v Speaker 5>And then you know down there in the bottom it

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<v Speaker 5>says considered by Hebrews as solid and supporting waters above. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>where the heck does that come from? Brown driver Briggs?

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<v Speaker 5>And this is an element of higher criticism. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>this does not appear in the ancient sources and no

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<v Speaker 5>scholar prior to the rise of higher criticism in Germany

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01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:42.679
<v Speaker 5>in the seventeen hundreds ever believed this this comes from

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01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:46.880
<v Speaker 5>higher criticism. So I reject that. You know, I respect

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01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:50.280
<v Speaker 5>Brown driver Briggs in general, but this specifically is an

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<v Speaker 5>element of higher criticism leaking into their work. So let's

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<v Speaker 5>look at some other Can.

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<v Speaker 1>I respond at all? Or are you just going to

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<v Speaker 1>do the whole presentation? Or how does that work? I could?

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<v Speaker 2>That?

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01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:00.559
<v Speaker 5>Can pause?

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<v Speaker 2>And so this is what we're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 4>Josh, why don't you respond to the Peter talk for

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<v Speaker 4>quite a while there, So why don't you go ahead

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<v Speaker 4>and talk?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to go to some closing statements.

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<v Speaker 4>We're getting about to an hour, so Josh this up

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<v Speaker 4>with Josh.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay on this, and then we'll do something.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So first of all, Peter, good job, because what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing is what you're supposed to do. You're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be like the Brians, and you're supposed to study.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro I love it. You're studying the words and you're

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<v Speaker 1>studying what they mean. And I really appreciate you doing that. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really smart to do that, and it's really good

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<v Speaker 1>for the Christian community to start doing that. I like

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<v Speaker 1>that you're doing that, bro, and I give you big

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<v Speaker 1>ups for that. Okay, So hast thou spread out the

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<v Speaker 1>sky which is strong if you click on strong and

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<v Speaker 1>the strongest recordings, that means solid or firm. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why you believe that's clouds, but that's okay as

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<v Speaker 1>molten looking glass, right, So we have that. Also, the

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<v Speaker 1>word firmament when it was translated from Hebrew to the Greek,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Greek's step tuogen, they use the word stereoma,

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<v Speaker 1>which that also means solid, and then they did firmament.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not called the softman, it's called a firmament because

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<v Speaker 1>they're staying true to the word and they believe that

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<v Speaker 1>it was solid. Now you go to the complete Jewish Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>which are Hebrews, that these guys are like, I am

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<v Speaker 1>not going to mess up the Hebrew because I want

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<v Speaker 1>to stand true to the word.

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<v Speaker 5>They said, any modern Hebrews.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes I have. I've had. I've had modern Hebrews

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<v Speaker 1>on my on my show twice already. One of them

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<v Speaker 1>that is really great in Hebrew and he believes that

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<v Speaker 1>that the word dome or firmament is perfect to use.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I'll say this, you ask.

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<v Speaker 5>Him if he believes that Moses wrote the Pentateuke.

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<v Speaker 1>No I didn't.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't ask him that that would be an interesting

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<v Speaker 5>thing to ask him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let me let me continue with this. So also

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<v Speaker 1>in the Book of Proverbs, it says that God made

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<v Speaker 1>the sky firm. Click on that. It means solid firm, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you go to the complete Jewish Bible, they

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<v Speaker 1>chose the word dome. And then if you go to

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<v Speaker 1>Joe twenty or thirty seven eighteen, it's firm instead of strong. Dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you wrote that. There's something to the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>saying that the sky is solid or firm or it's

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<v Speaker 1>holding back from waters above. Now, when God made the

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<v Speaker 1>firmament to separate the waters from the waters, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>separating the oceans, you know that, right, because the oceans

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<v Speaker 1>are not made until Day three. He's separating waters from water.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's there in the Bible. The reason why it

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<v Speaker 1>says that it's a fat flat as based support or

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<v Speaker 1>supporting waters above.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why it's saying that. They's saying that in

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<v Speaker 1>the strongs Coordance is because the Hebrews believed Moses said. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so the one that you've brought up on the screen, Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it said the Hebrews considered it's you know, supporting

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<v Speaker 1>waters above, because that's what Moses said in the Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>that it's supporting the waters above. That's probably why where

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<v Speaker 1>they got that from. But also there's there's different.

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<v Speaker 5>Parts of the Bible work critical interpretation of what Moses wrote.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So so another thing I would say is like

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<v Speaker 1>Abos ninety six, this is the one who builds his

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<v Speaker 1>upper chambers in the heavens. And if you click on

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<v Speaker 1>the word chambers, it actually means layers. Like I told you,

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<v Speaker 1>there's three heavens. One is where the moon's and the

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<v Speaker 1>stars are. The second one is the firmament. The next

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<v Speaker 1>one is where God's throne is located, it says, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is the nasb. Okay, it says he has founded

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<v Speaker 1>his vaulted dome over the earth. Does that mean vaulted dome?

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<v Speaker 1>If you click on the word it's binding heaven to

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<v Speaker 1>the earth. Okay, it's binding, So it's connecting heaven to

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<v Speaker 1>the earth. So heaven being in the you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you look what heaven is. If you look at Genesis

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<v Speaker 1>one to eight, it says that heaven is the firmament, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's that, and then another one would be Isaiah

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<v Speaker 1>forty twenty two. I just want to read this and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll wrap this up, Okay, Isaiah forty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it

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<v Speaker 1>not been told to you from the beginning? Have you

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<v Speaker 1>not understood from the foundations of the earth. It is

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<v Speaker 1>he speaking of the Lord God who sits above the

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<v Speaker 1>circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers

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<v Speaker 1>who stretches off the heavens like a curtain and spreads

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<v Speaker 1>them out like a tent to dwell in. So besides

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01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the circle and the spear thing everybody fights over, it's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about God. He sits above the circle of the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>He's sitting above the circle. Liric, I know that you

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<v Speaker 1>probably say, well, there's no throne up there, like God says,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, But it's talking about God's throne and Heaven

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<v Speaker 1>and Paradise being in the third Heaven being above the

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<v Speaker 1>firmament that the Bible speaks of this. But anyways, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanna let you talk. I talked for a while.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, let's go ahead and move to closing arguments. Guys,

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<v Speaker 4>really appreciate you kind of adjusting here. Obviously, Josh won

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<v Speaker 4>the debate he came to have, and Peter won the

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<v Speaker 4>debate he came.

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<v Speaker 2>To have, so you both won.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you transitioning here to try to hit each other

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<v Speaker 4>to make sure you're kind of arguing about the same things.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you did a nice job with that, so

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<v Speaker 4>appreciate that, even though it's a little confusion. But let's

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<v Speaker 4>go ahead and do some closing statements. I'm thinking just

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<v Speaker 4>like three minutes for closing statements.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that enough?

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<v Speaker 4>I assume you guys don't have long prepared closing statements.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that? Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 5>I have nothing prepared, so yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's just do two minutes. Let's just do

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<v Speaker 2>a two minute.

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<v Speaker 4>Summary wrap up type thing, and Josh, why don't you

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01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:16.399
<v Speaker 4>get it started, and then Peter will close a set

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<v Speaker 4>on these closing statements.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Oh, so I'm starting it. I'm sorry. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>closing there's definitely a difference between the Bible's cosmology or

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<v Speaker 1>God's cosmology and the science that we see today. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what I like I talked to you about. To Peter,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a devil. They're influencing men, and demons influencing men,

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01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:41.279
<v Speaker 1>fallen angels influencing men to do certain things. And to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that the modern cosmology that's happening today that

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<v Speaker 1>we see is completely inverted from the Bible. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>see that the Earth is fixed. I believe there's a

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<v Speaker 1>dome above the Earth, and that the moon some of

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<v Speaker 1>the stars are in the dome, and that the sun

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<v Speaker 1>is moving overhead and the moon is moving like Joshua

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<v Speaker 1>ten twelve says, I believe that Earth is not moving whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are at a geocentric flat with the dome,

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<v Speaker 1>with God's thrown above the dome. That the model that

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<v Speaker 1>that they came out with, they say thirteen point eight

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<v Speaker 1>billion years ago or thirty four to six million years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>the stars came. Then they said the sun came. Then

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<v Speaker 1>they said the earth came, completely the opposite to the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bible says the earth came first, then the moon,

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01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:23.439
<v Speaker 1>sun of the stars came on day four. So it's

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01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:26.079
<v Speaker 1>definitely inverted in opposite. But anyways, I would just want

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<v Speaker 1>to say one thing thank you Peter for this discussion

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01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:32.119
<v Speaker 1>because I think that we represented as Christians the right way.

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01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I think we handled it greatly, and I love that

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01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:36.880
<v Speaker 1>because we're in a den of atheist right now. There's

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01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:38.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of atheists right now listening to this show.

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01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:40.560
<v Speaker 1>I know I was on the show before, so we're

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01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:42.359
<v Speaker 1>in a den atheist. So I think we handled it

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01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:43.680
<v Speaker 1>the right way.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I just want to go on record. I told

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<v Speaker 5>Flatzoid that he's an embarrassment to Christians. Josh, you are

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<v Speaker 5>not good job, good job.

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01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:57.359
<v Speaker 1>All glory to God. I love Flatzoid, though he's not

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01:11:57.359 --> 01:11:59.680
<v Speaker 1>an embarrassment to Christians, but I like, I love, but

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01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:02.800
<v Speaker 1>go ahea. I'm done with my closing statement. Everybody that's

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01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:05.079
<v Speaker 1>listening out there, I love you guys so much and

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate you your time and doctor j thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for your time too, minute of moderating the debate.

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<v Speaker 1>You're welcohad Peter.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, So no single verse you shared, or any

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01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:22.920
<v Speaker 5>passage or anything that you shared from the Bible disambiguates

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01:12:22.960 --> 01:12:29.039
<v Speaker 5>between models. Okay, everything is explainable with modern science according

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01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:33.520
<v Speaker 5>to a globe healing centric model. The only thing that's

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01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:38.439
<v Speaker 5>not explainable is historical things like big bank cosmogy or Darwinism,

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01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:41.399
<v Speaker 5>you know, things we do not directly observe through our

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01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:44.920
<v Speaker 5>microscopes or telescopes. And that's the thing, is like, when

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01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:47.840
<v Speaker 5>you say that there's you know, a devil out there

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01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:50.960
<v Speaker 5>trying to deceive men, I agree. I just think you've

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01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:54.520
<v Speaker 5>misidentified his tactics because you know, he's a lot more

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01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:57.880
<v Speaker 5>subtle than you seem to griven credit for. In Genesis three,

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01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:01.199
<v Speaker 5>it says he's the most crafty, he's the craftiest of

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01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:07.359
<v Speaker 5>all the beasts or whatever. And I think he's you know,

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01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:13.439
<v Speaker 5>he's he's pushed the lie into the past where it

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01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:19.279
<v Speaker 5>requires interpretation because he's not he's not interfering with scientists'

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01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:22.840
<v Speaker 5>telescopes when they look into space. He's not interfering with

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01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:26.920
<v Speaker 5>the laboratory experiments to make sure they accidentally come up

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01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:33.279
<v Speaker 5>with a you know, a different like model than is

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01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:36.479
<v Speaker 5>taught in the Bible. That's not what's happening. He's he's

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<v Speaker 5>giving them a cognitive bias against the history that the

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01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:46.039
<v Speaker 5>Bible teaches. Okay, so that's my my belief on that.

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<v Speaker 5>And anyway, I didn't start my time, so I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know how much time I have left.

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<v Speaker 4>You got twenty seconds. Sounds like you're about to the end,

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01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:57.560
<v Speaker 4>so we'll stop it there. Well, the super super Chats

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<v Speaker 4>few things. Hey, thank you for some gifted memory for

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01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:05.279
<v Speaker 4>ships from at Shirky, So thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>For doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>If you want to get your questions in, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>super Chats will jump to the to the for the line,

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<v Speaker 4>So let's start with those first of all, taking back

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01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:16.119
<v Speaker 4>eatam for two dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>When will doctor j go flat Earth? Thank you, Josh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're awesome.

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01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:24.960
<v Speaker 4>I am watching the final experience close experiment closely, so

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<v Speaker 4>if that goes how flat Earth has been predicting for

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01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:30.520
<v Speaker 4>a long time, that would go a very long way

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<v Speaker 4>in convincing me that flat Earth is correct, because that

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<v Speaker 4>would go against my understanding of how things work. Next question,

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01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:41.960
<v Speaker 4>when will Max go flatter thanks to maximillion Villa.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, thanks Max, You're awesome.

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01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:46.439
<v Speaker 4>And I happen to know the answer to that as well,

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<v Speaker 4>And the answer is never, because he's a filthy atheist

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01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:52.199
<v Speaker 4>and so he will not be not be doing it.

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<v Speaker 4>So well, now, Max is a proud filthy atheist.

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<v Speaker 2>Just look in the chat. I'm sure he'll tell.

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<v Speaker 7>You he cleans. I watched him take a shower yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, for two dollars, Peter, Why wouldn't Satan lie about Earth?

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<v Speaker 2>Think?

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<v Speaker 5>Because he can't. God made God made our eyes, and

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01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:22.159
<v Speaker 5>God made the world. He can't make that process go

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<v Speaker 5>wrong because God made that process. You know, God made

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01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:28.319
<v Speaker 5>the world. He gave it to us to study. He

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01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:32.039
<v Speaker 5>gave us eyes and brains to study it. Satan can't

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01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:33.920
<v Speaker 5>mess with that. What he can mess with is our

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01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:39.760
<v Speaker 5>cognitive bias, our spiritual beliefs, our worldview. Satan just can't.

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01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:41.560
<v Speaker 5>He's not that powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Josh, welcome, make a combat.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well, okay, it's very easy. All Satan has

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01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:55.239
<v Speaker 1>to do is take Genesis three point fifteen and when

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<v Speaker 1>you click on that word where it says beguiled Eve,

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01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:01.960
<v Speaker 1>that word is nashah our Nasa Nasa.

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01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:04.279
<v Speaker 5>All you gotta dosh hold on.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just act answering this question. He said that

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<v Speaker 1>what couldn't Satan lie about the Earth? Of course, all

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<v Speaker 1>he has to do is send you pictures from space

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01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:16.399
<v Speaker 1>and tell you this is what the Earth looks like.

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01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:19.079
<v Speaker 1>And people are gonna believe it because our normal perception

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<v Speaker 1>that we see with our eyes when you look at

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01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:24.840
<v Speaker 1>the horizon and everything you're seeing it being flat. The

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<v Speaker 1>only reason why we believe it's a globe is because

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<v Speaker 1>we've been told it's a globe. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not the reason I believe it's a globe. I

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01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:33.640
<v Speaker 5>believe it's a globe because I measured sunset myself and

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01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:35.000
<v Speaker 5>it only works on a globe.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well that's okay. I'm just saying. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 1>about the question about Satan. He could definitely make SciTE.

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<v Speaker 1>But go ahead, doctor j Next question.

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<v Speaker 4>Peter, any last comments, So I'll give you the chance

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01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:48.319
<v Speaker 4>that it was to you, but otherwise I'll head head

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<v Speaker 4>on to.

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01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:53.479
<v Speaker 5>I had a thought that it escaped me. I'm sorry.

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01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:56.720
<v Speaker 4>We'll assume that it means it wasn't that important, all right.

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<v Speaker 4>Five from Maximilian Ville again, thank you so much. Five

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01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:05.800
<v Speaker 4>SGD from Beheaded Kamakazi. How do you account for the

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01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:11.079
<v Speaker 4>phenomena of black holes and supernova with respect to the Bible?

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01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:14.720
<v Speaker 4>Why don't you each give your opinion on this particular question.

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<v Speaker 2>Start with you, Josh.

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01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so if you can tell me that that's a

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand percent fact that there's black holes and supernovas,

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01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:25.880
<v Speaker 1>then you know, then then I would understand. But this

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01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:28.680
<v Speaker 1>is just coming from man teaching us that there's black

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01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:30.920
<v Speaker 1>holes and supernovas and to give us artist depictions of

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01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:33.000
<v Speaker 1>what it would look like. I'm not actually seeing it

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01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:35.960
<v Speaker 1>with my eyes, so Maximili though, it doesn't disrespect the

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01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Bible in any way. And the Bible says that the

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<v Speaker 1>host of heaven are complete and the after the Seventh Day,

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01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:46.880
<v Speaker 1>he said that the stars and everything is complete and finished.

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<v Speaker 1>So it does go against the Bible if you think

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<v Speaker 1>that supernovas are happening and new stars are being created, Dude,

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01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:54.119
<v Speaker 1>they're already finished in the complete. So this is just

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01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:56.520
<v Speaker 1>what man is telling you, and you're not actually seeing

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01:17:56.560 --> 01:17:58.319
<v Speaker 1>it with your own eyes. They're just telling you what

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01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:00.920
<v Speaker 1>it is, a black hole and supernova. It doesn't go

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01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:03.079
<v Speaker 1>get the Bible whatsoever. I don't I don't really care

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01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:03.520
<v Speaker 1>about it.

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01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:08.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so we do observe black holes in supernova. That

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01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:12.560
<v Speaker 5>like when when we're when we're monitoring a star and

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01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:15.439
<v Speaker 5>measuring its brightness. And when I say measure, this says

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01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:18.960
<v Speaker 5>what scientists do. They use instruments that are more capable

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01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:23.079
<v Speaker 5>than our immediate bodily sensations. So this is not a

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01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:27.680
<v Speaker 5>scientist just staring through a telescope with his eyeball. This

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01:18:27.720 --> 01:18:30.800
<v Speaker 5>is him using like a light meter to actually measure

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01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:33.319
<v Speaker 5>the brightness of a star and it will, you know,

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01:18:34.039 --> 01:18:37.079
<v Speaker 5>jump way off the charts all of a sudden in

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01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:40.520
<v Speaker 5>brightness and this spectrogram will go out of whack and

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01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:45.000
<v Speaker 5>then poof, in a few weeks, it's gone. Okay, that's

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01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:48.079
<v Speaker 5>the observation. You know, you can try to explain that

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01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:52.359
<v Speaker 5>a different way. But that happened in God's universe, Okay,

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01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:56.880
<v Speaker 5>you know that that's something we observe. And as far

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01:18:56.920 --> 01:18:58.920
<v Speaker 5>as far as black holes, there, they were a little

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01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:00.720
<v Speaker 5>more theoretical for a while. But I actually did a

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01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:04.560
<v Speaker 5>video recently on the first image that they took of

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01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:11.880
<v Speaker 5>a black hole and my theological interpretation of that, because

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01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:16.319
<v Speaker 5>I think it's such a cool subject. Black holes are terrifying,

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01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:22.159
<v Speaker 5>and in order to observe those, we actually needed to

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01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:26.720
<v Speaker 5>use interferometry across like a huge array of telescopes all

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01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:30.760
<v Speaker 5>across the globe. So it's very much more difficult than

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01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:34.359
<v Speaker 5>observing a supernova. But I don't see any issue with

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01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:37.359
<v Speaker 5>reconciling that with the Bible. The Bible, like I said,

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01:19:37.439 --> 01:19:41.640
<v Speaker 5>does not prefer a cosmological model. It doesn't say the

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01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:46.039
<v Speaker 5>Earth is flat, so there's no issue. We're studying God's

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01:19:46.039 --> 01:19:48.479
<v Speaker 5>creation when we study black holes and supernova.

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01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, sounds good.

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01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:53.079
<v Speaker 4>A couple different ways of understanding that appreciate it. Next,

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01:19:53.720 --> 01:19:56.359
<v Speaker 4>does may be supposed to be due? Josh and Peter

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01:19:56.520 --> 01:19:58.800
<v Speaker 4>know the Ten commandments? Do either of you what to

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01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:01.399
<v Speaker 4>demonstrate your memory skills?

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01:20:01.479 --> 01:20:04.199
<v Speaker 2>To try to the top of my head or not?

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01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:10.760
<v Speaker 5>I I before me, no graven images. Don't take the

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01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:12.680
<v Speaker 5>Lord's name in vain, remember the Sabbath.

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01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:17.000
<v Speaker 1>No, no onto thy mother and father.

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01:20:17.880 --> 01:20:20.960
<v Speaker 5>Yes, thank you, you have no see.

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01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Do not steal, murder, do not murder, Do not lie. Yeah,

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01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:27.279
<v Speaker 1>I think that's about how many do we cover? Like seven,

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01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:30.680
<v Speaker 1>do not covet, do not covet thy neighbors.

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01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:34.279
<v Speaker 5>Cove It is number ten. There's also don't commit adultery, and.

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01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:34.760
<v Speaker 1>That's another one.

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01:20:34.840 --> 01:20:38.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we're good, we got that number seven. I think nine.

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01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:41.920
<v Speaker 7>Don't lie about your neighboring court or whatever.

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01:20:42.199 --> 01:20:42.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:45.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, that was that was our shot at it

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01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:47.199
<v Speaker 4>there taking back he did very false.

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01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:49.039
<v Speaker 5>Wit is the phrase do.

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01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Not does I'm a Barbie girl in a Barbie word?

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01:20:54.760 --> 01:20:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Or no I got it, dude, Why do.

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01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:01.039
<v Speaker 5>I get feel like this person is not taking us seriously?

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01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:04.520
<v Speaker 1>That's that gentleman, that's the host. That's another host that

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01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:05.000
<v Speaker 1>you guys have.

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01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Is no, no, this is a different guy.

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01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:10.520
<v Speaker 7>Okay, get ten free memberships if you sing it so

1561
01:21:10.640 --> 01:21:12.399
<v Speaker 7>you know, do what you can.

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01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:15.720
<v Speaker 5>I sing the parody version, give it to us, give

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01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:19.000
<v Speaker 5>it to us. I'm not I'm not really really good. Okay,

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01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:20.760
<v Speaker 5>I'm too shy.

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01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Max for for doing that.

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01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:28.640
<v Speaker 4>Okay, two dollars taking back eating again, Peter, Can you

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01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:31.319
<v Speaker 4>feel the Earth's tilt?

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01:21:31.880 --> 01:21:35.399
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no.

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01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:36.520
<v Speaker 5>No, there's no reason why you would be able to

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01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:39.039
<v Speaker 5>feel that in your body. That's just an argument from

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01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:41.279
<v Speaker 5>ignorance fallacy. If you think that means that it is

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01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:45.039
<v Speaker 5>that it's not true. We use measurements, you know, in

1573
01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:48.159
<v Speaker 5>science to figure that out, not our bodily sensations.

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01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:54.720
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Peter, a show well, I hope you know what

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01:21:54.760 --> 01:22:01.000
<v Speaker 4>that means. Conformity XP three fourths goes against sense is

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01:22:01.359 --> 01:22:05.039
<v Speaker 4>don't make sense to you? Oh, Oz, can you help

1577
01:22:05.119 --> 01:22:05.840
<v Speaker 4>us with this question?

1578
01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what it means?

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01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:13.960
<v Speaker 4>I do not, Peter Osh, conformity X. I feel like

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01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:17.560
<v Speaker 4>this is a video game XP three fours go against

1581
01:22:20.359 --> 01:22:22.319
<v Speaker 4>you get it figured out, jump back in and help

1582
01:22:22.399 --> 01:22:24.000
<v Speaker 4>us out. But we got a few other.

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01:22:26.199 --> 01:22:29.920
<v Speaker 7>Take me and let me know. I'm taking back your john.

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01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:36.119
<v Speaker 7>What you mean conformity experiment? Oh, I think there's a

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01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:42.720
<v Speaker 7>conformity experiment where people in authority precitions.

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01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:50.000
<v Speaker 8>Oh, it's like a psychology thing, right, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,

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01:22:50.119 --> 01:22:54.600
<v Speaker 8>so I don't know if they go against senses, but people.

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01:22:56.720 --> 01:23:01.640
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so people will conform to authority and what they

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01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:04.560
<v Speaker 7>tell them is true, and that is true.

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01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:08.399
<v Speaker 5>That's just not relevant to me understanding and studying science,

1591
01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:12.199
<v Speaker 5>like because I'm not taking it from authority, Like I

1592
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:15.760
<v Speaker 5>understand these concepts. I measured this on myself. You can

1593
01:23:15.800 --> 01:23:19.199
<v Speaker 5>go look at my profile on YouTube or TikTok and

1594
01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:22.319
<v Speaker 5>see the experiment that I did and I made that.

1595
01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:25.960
<v Speaker 5>I devised that experiment myself. I did not consult an authority.

1596
01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:29.159
<v Speaker 5>I did not get that from someone. I thought of

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01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:32.960
<v Speaker 5>that myself. You know this is not it's not about

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01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:39.199
<v Speaker 5>authority at all.

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01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:39.680
<v Speaker 4>All right, So thank you Max. Also, so we get

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01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:42.399
<v Speaker 4>some gifted memberships from him. Really appreciate that. Thanks so

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01:23:42.439 --> 01:23:45.560
<v Speaker 4>as much. That was five memberships a little bit earlier

1602
01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:49.199
<v Speaker 4>and then ten memberships, so really appreciate that. We did

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01:23:49.279 --> 01:23:51.479
<v Speaker 4>have a few other questions I want to jump into,

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01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:53.399
<v Speaker 4>and then we'll see if we have time for mine,

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01:23:53.439 --> 01:23:54.520
<v Speaker 4>because I had a couple.

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01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:04.199
<v Speaker 4>The Bible does mention stars in constellation, but does provide

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01:24:05.239 --> 01:24:09.560
<v Speaker 4>specific locations for them. So can I locate them in

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01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:11.760
<v Speaker 4>the heavens for viewing?

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01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:17.319
<v Speaker 2>Does the Bible does?

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01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:21.079
<v Speaker 1>Man, it's called the Mazaroth. So if you're saying, does

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01:24:21.119 --> 01:24:25.199
<v Speaker 1>the Bible mention stars and constellations? Yes, it's called the Mazaroth? Okay,

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01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:28.000
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, you I mean, are are you asking? Can

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01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:30.399
<v Speaker 1>you locate them like to like line up with the

1615
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Bible tells the truth. I think that's what they're asking, right.

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01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:36.319
<v Speaker 5>I don't think the Bible gives us a star chart.

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01:24:36.359 --> 01:24:41.600
<v Speaker 5>You gotta get stilarium or something for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Viewing.

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01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:45.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was a good old college Try next one here.

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01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:49.720
<v Speaker 4>Why didn't God plant his magic tree, the Tree of

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01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:53.680
<v Speaker 4>Knowledge on Pluto to avoid all the suffering?

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01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:56.039
<v Speaker 2>So this would be a question about the problem of evil?

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01:24:56.079 --> 01:24:59.399
<v Speaker 4>I think, Okay, Peter, you want to pick on the

1624
01:24:59.439 --> 01:24:59.800
<v Speaker 4>problem of.

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01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:03.000
<v Speaker 5>Evil because God wanted to reveal the majesty of his

1626
01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:06.079
<v Speaker 5>holiness and his goodness through the Gospel of Jesus Christ

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01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:08.079
<v Speaker 5>by sending his son to die on the cross for

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01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:11.199
<v Speaker 5>our sins and give us eternal life. There was no

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01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:16.439
<v Speaker 5>way to do that without introducing, without allowing evil to

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01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:18.720
<v Speaker 5>enter the world through Adam and Eve's sinning.

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01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:22.600
<v Speaker 1>And also, we're not robots. So if God had robots,

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01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:28.439
<v Speaker 1>come on, this is this is okay, I want you guys.

1633
01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I if I had a robot that was like my

1634
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:32.760
<v Speaker 1>housekeeper and then it kept saying I love you, I

1635
01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:34.560
<v Speaker 1>love you, I love you, it's programmed to say that.

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01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:37.199
<v Speaker 1>So for us to you know, faith has to be

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01:25:37.239 --> 01:25:39.720
<v Speaker 1>tested for it to be real faith. Right, So that's

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01:25:39.720 --> 01:25:41.600
<v Speaker 1>what that's what I believe. I believe that our faith

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01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:43.640
<v Speaker 1>has to be tested, and that's the way. And what

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01:25:43.840 --> 01:25:46.239
<v Speaker 1>God does, He's like basically shaping you to be able

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01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:48.199
<v Speaker 1>to make it to heaven because in heaven it's sinless,

1642
01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:51.079
<v Speaker 1>so you have to go through trials and tribulations for

1643
01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:54.319
<v Speaker 1>you to have real faith, you know, like like you

1644
01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:56.399
<v Speaker 1>have to put the full armor of God on which

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01:25:56.439 --> 01:26:00.560
<v Speaker 1>is the breastplate of righteousness, the helmet of salvation, the

1646
01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:04.119
<v Speaker 1>belt of truth, and you have to have the sandals

1647
01:26:04.119 --> 01:26:06.479
<v Speaker 1>of the gospel, and you have to have a sword,

1648
01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:08.760
<v Speaker 1>which is the word of God, and you have to

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01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:11.239
<v Speaker 1>have a shield of faith. The bigger the more faith

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01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:13.479
<v Speaker 1>that you earn, the bigger faith, the bigger the shield

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01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:15.560
<v Speaker 1>is going to be to dodge the wiles of the devil.

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01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>So it's going to help you to fight against the devil.

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01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:20.479
<v Speaker 1>So you do have spiritual weapons that God will give

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01:26:20.520 --> 01:26:21.479
<v Speaker 1>you to fight against it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we started a cosmology debate, and we might have

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<v Speaker 4>the problem of evil debate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Can I ask a follow up question? There's a bunch

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01:26:31.079 --> 01:26:34.399
<v Speaker 7>of chit chat in the chat about that. Are you

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<v Speaker 7>saying that the fall was it by design?

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<v Speaker 2>Peter?

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<v Speaker 5>Are you asking me?

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01:26:41.439 --> 01:26:44.319
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, both of you. It's a fall eating the apple

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01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:48.760
<v Speaker 7>or the fruit good and evil? That by design God.

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<v Speaker 5>It was according to God's plan. God did not design evil,

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<v Speaker 5>but he planned for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Forget.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I apologize for interrupting you, Josh.

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01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:03.760
<v Speaker 1>I just uh, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 5>I have so little patience now for the robot analogy

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01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:12.279
<v Speaker 5>because it's a cliche of like basically what I would

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01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:18.119
<v Speaker 5>describe as shallow pop apologetics for Christians like from you know,

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01:27:18.199 --> 01:27:21.319
<v Speaker 5>like Frank Turic and people like that. I'm a Calvinist.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe in predestination. I don't believe in ultimate human

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01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:27.479
<v Speaker 5>free will, and I don't believe that that's a good

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01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:30.479
<v Speaker 5>answer at all, because it ends up basically making God

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01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:35.479
<v Speaker 5>seem smaller, like he doesn't have sovereignty over you know,

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01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:36.479
<v Speaker 5>the course of history.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe I need to start a different channel where we

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<v Speaker 4>argue about.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the robot analogy has done a lot more

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<v Speaker 5>harm than good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's all good, yeah, I think. Okay, no worries.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the next question?

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<v Speaker 5>I think you meant well though, and so I I

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01:27:54.640 --> 01:27:55.279
<v Speaker 5>am meaning well.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to let people know that God gave

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01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:00.239
<v Speaker 1>us a spiritual you know, weapons to fight against them.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, next question matters Now for Josh Max, this is

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01:28:04.119 --> 01:28:06.000
<v Speaker 4>the Max from our channel that you probably know.

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01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:07.880
<v Speaker 2>He would love to do a debate.

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01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:09.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure you know how to get a hold of

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01:28:09.319 --> 01:28:10.840
<v Speaker 4>him through discord if you're interested.

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01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:14.000
<v Speaker 2>But Max, would Max debate.

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01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Much less to you. I don't debate the topic of

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<v Speaker 1>flat Earth. I only debate biblical cosmology due to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that that's that's all. I like that. That's all

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01:28:23.279 --> 01:28:25.840
<v Speaker 1>that matters to me. Flat Earth like fighting, like you know,

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01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:29.760
<v Speaker 1>there's there's so much intensity there. But you're an atheist,

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01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:32.560
<v Speaker 1>so any anything that I brought to you would probably

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01:28:32.600 --> 01:28:34.520
<v Speaker 1>you probably wouldn't believe it anyways, because I would be

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01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:37.039
<v Speaker 1>bringing Biblical verses and stuff. So, but I would love

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01:28:37.039 --> 01:28:38.680
<v Speaker 1>to debate you on flat earth, if you want to

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01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:41.840
<v Speaker 1>do flat versus globe biblically like I did with Ozian,

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01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>But I don't. I don't debate flat earth because it's

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01:28:44.840 --> 01:28:48.239
<v Speaker 1>like beating a dead horse, you know, honestly, there's already

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01:28:48.239 --> 01:28:50.079
<v Speaker 1>been out there so much. I like to debate what

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01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:52.399
<v Speaker 1>the Bible says because I think that's the true, inherent

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01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>of everything. I think it's true.

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01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:58.439
<v Speaker 7>But he says he will debate biblical cosmology. I'll send

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01:28:58.560 --> 01:28:59.960
<v Speaker 7>him your discord.

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01:29:01.600 --> 01:29:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he can. You can get a hold of me,

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01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:04.520
<v Speaker 1>bro if you want to talk to me, and I've

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01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>listened to you.

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01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:06.920
<v Speaker 5>Stick him to the robotism.

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01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:12.359
<v Speaker 2>A couple of questions I had.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we'll have time and then we'll wrap up

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01:29:14.439 --> 01:29:17.159
<v Speaker 4>unless someone shoots a super sat chat in otherwise these

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01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:21.279
<v Speaker 4>will be the last ones. What is your guys' understanding

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01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:24.439
<v Speaker 4>of what are the best Hebrew and lexicons Hebrew and

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01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:28.760
<v Speaker 4>Greek lexicons that one should use when arguing about the

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01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:31.680
<v Speaker 4>meanings of words I can.

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01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:33.439
<v Speaker 1>I can go grab the one that I have. If

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01:29:33.439 --> 01:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>you'd like it, I could show it to you. Hold on,

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01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:38.000
<v Speaker 1>real quick, give me one second, Peter, if you can

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01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:39.439
<v Speaker 1>answer that for one second, I'm gonna go.

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<v Speaker 5>So my answer is that I don't know. I am

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01:29:42.439 --> 01:29:48.079
<v Speaker 5>not a scholar. I engage in basically what amounts to

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01:29:48.279 --> 01:29:53.560
<v Speaker 5>armchair like scholarship on these things. You know, I don't

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01:29:53.640 --> 01:29:57.560
<v Speaker 5>know hardly anything about Hebrew or Greek from what I

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01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:01.800
<v Speaker 5>from what I know, like from what I've heard. Okay, Like,

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01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:05.640
<v Speaker 5>there is a lot of merit to the brown Driver's

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01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:09.880
<v Speaker 5>Briggs lexicon because and I know that just because that's

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01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:13.079
<v Speaker 5>what I was studying this week for preparing for this debate.

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01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:15.960
<v Speaker 5>Before this week, I didn't even know that that existed,

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01:30:16.439 --> 01:30:20.760
<v Speaker 5>which it might be silly, but it's a lot more

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01:30:20.800 --> 01:30:25.159
<v Speaker 5>in depth than Strongs. And you know, some go even

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01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:27.239
<v Speaker 5>so far as to say that Strong's is not even

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01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:31.359
<v Speaker 5>a dictionary or lexicon. Brown Driver's Briggs is more of

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01:30:31.399 --> 01:30:35.279
<v Speaker 5>a dictionary or lexicon because it gives the actual definitions

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01:30:35.319 --> 01:30:39.880
<v Speaker 5>and comparisons and everything. So it's probably very good for

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01:30:39.920 --> 01:30:43.079
<v Speaker 5>a lot of kinds of study. I took specific issue

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01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:47.399
<v Speaker 5>with its definition of Rakia because I believe it demonstrates

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01:30:47.479 --> 01:30:51.640
<v Speaker 5>influence from higher criticism according to the arguments I shared earlier.

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<v Speaker 5>But that's so far almost all I know about Brown

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01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:01.319
<v Speaker 5>Driver's brigs and the only real flaw that I see

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01:31:01.319 --> 01:31:05.600
<v Speaker 5>in it, So the rest of it could be gold

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<v Speaker 5>and totally fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you use? What's it? What is this one?

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01:31:10.279 --> 01:31:16.000
<v Speaker 1>This one is a expedition. It's an expo expo expository

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01:31:16.560 --> 01:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>dictionary of Bible words. This is one that I use

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01:31:19.039 --> 01:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>right here, and I do use it. Uh, I do

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01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:25.520
<v Speaker 1>use This is by edited by Steven D. Wren. This

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01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:28.720
<v Speaker 1>is one that I use. But also, like he talked about, uh,

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01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:31.800
<v Speaker 1>also I like the strong succordance. The Blue Letter Bible

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01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>is an easy one to go to because you could

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01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>you pulled up on your computer, and it's a lot easier.

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01:31:35.880 --> 01:31:37.199
<v Speaker 1>This one you have to you know, you still have

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01:31:37.239 --> 01:31:40.119
<v Speaker 1>to physically look through. But it's good to compare notes

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01:31:40.199 --> 01:31:42.079
<v Speaker 1>on each one and find out what you feel is

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01:31:42.119 --> 01:31:45.520
<v Speaker 1>the best. Uh as far as the but yeah, I

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01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:47.279
<v Speaker 1>just think it's good to just look through all of

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<v Speaker 1>them and just just study as much as you can.

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01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:51.239
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the best to do because we don't

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<v Speaker 1>speak Greek, we don't speak Hebrew, and uh, I think

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01:31:54.640 --> 01:31:56.479
<v Speaker 1>it's best to just study as much as you can

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01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:58.359
<v Speaker 1>and make sure that we're teaching correctly.

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01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Really is one I over these words.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, if you really want to argue over the meeting

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01:32:04.119 --> 01:32:07.279
<v Speaker 4>of these words, and you want any academic to take

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01:32:07.319 --> 01:32:09.760
<v Speaker 4>you seriously, you have to use b dag for grit

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01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:13.520
<v Speaker 4>for Greek and haylot for Hebrew. I'm not saying they're

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01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:16.760
<v Speaker 4>perfect in every way, but those are considered the gold standard.

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01:32:17.159 --> 01:32:20.079
<v Speaker 4>I don't even own haylot because it's expensive. I used

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01:32:20.079 --> 01:32:22.840
<v Speaker 4>it in my when I was writing my PhD dissertation,

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01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:25.520
<v Speaker 4>I just used the one from the library. But if

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<v Speaker 4>if if I was going to write something serious in

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01:32:27.640 --> 01:32:30.039
<v Speaker 4>the Old Testament, I would need to at least address

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01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:30.800
<v Speaker 4>a lot.

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01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:34.439
<v Speaker 2>Can it's h A l O T H haylot, But

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01:32:34.520 --> 01:32:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I can the B dag B d A G.

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01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:47.960
<v Speaker 4>But BD purchases to buy good stuff isn't free unfortunately. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>Another question I had if you met each other in person,

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01:32:55.319 --> 01:32:58.359
<v Speaker 4>would you greet each other with the Holy kiss? And

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01:32:58.439 --> 01:33:02.439
<v Speaker 4>if not, what reasons would you have to not greet

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01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:09.439
<v Speaker 4>each other with the Holy kiss? The Testament says the

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01:33:09.439 --> 01:33:12.119
<v Speaker 4>Great One and not with the Holy Kiss.

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<v Speaker 5>We could figuratively just like hug. You know, I would

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<v Speaker 5>the culture that we have.

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<v Speaker 1>If I met Peter, I would try to I would

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<v Speaker 1>try to be as nice as I can possibly to

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01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:25.079
<v Speaker 1>him as Christian brothers, because I do respect his work

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01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and I have no issues with them, So I would

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<v Speaker 1>definitely give him a hug. Nice to meet you, Peter,

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01:33:29.079 --> 01:33:30.359
<v Speaker 1>and I would try to get along with him as

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01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:32.800
<v Speaker 1>best as possible, and maybe we can bounce ideas off

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<v Speaker 1>each other. Why do you believe this? Why I believe

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<v Speaker 1>this and have a great conversation. It would be no

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01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:38.439
<v Speaker 1>issues at all, for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. And I see comments like trying to sexualize filo love,

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01:33:44.039 --> 01:33:47.720
<v Speaker 5>This is just nothing to do with you really really

1804
01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:50.960
<v Speaker 5>have to get away from the over sexualization of stuff

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01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:52.359
<v Speaker 5>in our culture today.

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01:33:53.880 --> 01:33:57.279
<v Speaker 4>What what I mean was, notice how fast you guys

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<v Speaker 4>moved away from the literal interpretation.

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<v Speaker 5>In that verse, right, because that's not our costantly ran

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<v Speaker 5>away from it.

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<v Speaker 2>So just notice that you notice that.

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<v Speaker 5>Notice that we have a very different culture now than

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01:34:09.399 --> 01:34:10.560
<v Speaker 5>they had in the New Testament.

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<v Speaker 7>So anyway, when you go to Europe, you go to

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01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:16.880
<v Speaker 7>the Middle East, and this is common practice between men,

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01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:21.359
<v Speaker 7>and it's not considered sexual. It's not considered almost sexual

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01:34:21.960 --> 01:34:31.520
<v Speaker 7>for two men to hold hand and brotherly.

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<v Speaker 5>Wasn't there, guy?

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<v Speaker 4>Like My point wasn't saying your your interpretation is wrong,

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01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:34.720
<v Speaker 4>because I'd probably take a similar one maybe, But I

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<v Speaker 4>just wanted you to notice how you didn't take it

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01:34:37.159 --> 01:34:42.199
<v Speaker 4>literally at all. It you directly twice and you didn't

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01:34:42.239 --> 01:34:44.479
<v Speaker 4>do it, and neither one of you will ever literally

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<v Speaker 4>do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh well, now, if we want to play some antics here,

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01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:52.920
<v Speaker 5>Paul commanded his direct audience to do that literally. He

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01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:54.720
<v Speaker 5>did not plan us to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>Just say, notice that interputation move you did there, that

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01:34:57.800 --> 01:35:01.239
<v Speaker 4>hermoneutical shift, and then you do it every time you

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01:35:01.279 --> 01:35:03.720
<v Speaker 4>read anything, because you just did it right there.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I want to say that, like Andrew Cuomo got

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01:35:07.680 --> 01:35:11.520
<v Speaker 5>in trouble for that kind of thing, like doing it

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01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:15.600
<v Speaker 5>when like people had a different culture and didn't take

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01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:17.680
<v Speaker 5>it the way that he intended and stuffed it. Wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>that something.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not I'm not saying we just I just want

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<v Speaker 4>to point out the hermoneutics, That's all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>There, noticed interpretation there.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, we are at the end of our time, thank

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<v Speaker 4>you guys so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Great job you two.

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01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:31.880
<v Speaker 4>Good job, you know, kind of shifting around once we

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01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:34.800
<v Speaker 4>got our definitions better. Thank you all so much for

1843
01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:39.399
<v Speaker 4>joining us for matters. Now you're looking forward to more content.

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01:35:39.439 --> 01:35:41.600
<v Speaker 4>I think we have another bait just coming up soon tomorrow.

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01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:45.600
<v Speaker 4>It's on flat Earth and versus globe, So keep track.

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01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:48.479
<v Speaker 4>I'll be doing another book review here soon. I think

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01:35:48.520 --> 01:35:50.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna do on economics, and I think I'm going

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01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:53.760
<v Speaker 4>to do a book review on a book called Uh.

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01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:56.720
<v Speaker 2>It's on the It's called a deficit myth.

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01:35:57.000 --> 01:36:00.560
<v Speaker 4>It's basically arguing that the federal deficit does it matter?

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01:36:01.119 --> 01:36:03.039
<v Speaker 2>And so I will be explaining why.

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01:36:02.840 --> 01:36:06.920
<v Speaker 4>This particular author argues that the federal deficit doesn't matter.

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01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:08.119
<v Speaker 2>I'll be explaining her argument.

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01:36:08.199 --> 01:36:10.239
<v Speaker 4>So if you're interested, if you're looking for that, coming

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01:36:10.279 --> 01:36:12.960
<v Speaker 4>up the next week's again weeks as well. Thank you

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01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:15.359
<v Speaker 4>once again, Josh Peter for coming. We wouldn't have a

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01:36:15.359 --> 01:36:16.680
<v Speaker 4>show without you, so thank you so.

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01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Much for being here.

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01:36:17.840 --> 01:36:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Can I shout out my babe?

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<v Speaker 2>You bet? Josh, go ahead and shou out your stuff,

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01:36:22.119 --> 01:36:23.640
<v Speaker 2>and then Peter, if you have any I want to,

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01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:25.279
<v Speaker 2>and then we'll get out of here.

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01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:28.439
<v Speaker 1>My podcast is Josh Monday Christian and Conspiracy podcast. You

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01:36:28.439 --> 01:36:30.520
<v Speaker 1>can find that on Spotify and all audio. If you

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01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:33.439
<v Speaker 1>go to my YouTube, it's Josh Monday Music and Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>If you could subscribe, if you have any questions, if

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<v Speaker 1>you need prayer, any episode you've ever seen, If you

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<v Speaker 1>have any questions, you can always DM me on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>at Josh Monday Underscore Podcast. And I also have a

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok too, but I'm not really too active there. I

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<v Speaker 1>do mostly myself on Instagram. But everybody that's listening, God

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<v Speaker 1>bless you, Thank you, and Peter, thank you so much. Brother.

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate your time, and I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was a fun debate. And doctor j thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for your time. And thank you for your time. Brother Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>We got where where can we find you?

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm on YouTube and TikTok and a few other places,

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<v Speaker 5>but that's mainly where I post content. The sometimes the

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<v Speaker 5>social media kind of chooses you instead of YouTube. I've

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<v Speaker 5>only been on TikTok for a few months, but that's

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<v Speaker 5>for some reason where my stuff kind of started taking

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<v Speaker 5>gaining traction. So I guess I'm a TikToker. Just look

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<v Speaker 5>up my name Peter Markley and A. R. K. L. E.

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<v Speaker 2>Wyan.

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<v Speaker 5>You should find it, Josh, Thank you, h this was

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<v Speaker 5>a breath of fresh air. I came into kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like white knuckled, expecting something similar to like with Flatzoid,

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<v Speaker 5>and that didn't happen. So this was a this was

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<v Speaker 5>a delight. Thank you, and thank you as well that

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<v Speaker 5>doctor Jay and jes In.

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<v Speaker 2>You are welcome in.

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<v Speaker 4>Some of that information for their socials and whatnot can

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<v Speaker 4>be found in a few of their links can be

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<v Speaker 4>found in description and if you want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Find it there. Thanks again for joining us, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you again next time.

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<v Speaker 9>Sa Us.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I think that actually my microphone might have

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<v Speaker 1>been on mute. Oh no, oh no, okay, guys, hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>that my mic was not on mute. If it was,

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize, you guys will have to forgive me. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, I think my mic was on mute. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that was like about a good five minutes of talking.

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize, guys. I don't have an editor to edit

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<v Speaker 1>it out either, but anyways, what I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>is thank you so much to Jonathan and Jacob. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you, guys. Appreciate you guys. Having me as a host.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to tell you guys. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys heard anything I said, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>my mic was on mute. I apologize, but anyways, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to tell you on Wednesday's service, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to try to start doing some New Testament versus going

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<v Speaker 1>over Matthew. I'll start there probably, so I'll start doing sermons.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to let you guys know when I do

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<v Speaker 1>have a guest on the podcast, I am not able to.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be bringing people on that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not equally yoke with. I want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm doing Bible studies with somebody, I trust them.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that they're one hundred percent Christian. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that all the information that they're putting out is equally

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<v Speaker 1>yoke with what I put out, you know. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I have only a few guests that come on,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to get too crazy and have

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of different guests that are not that don't

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<v Speaker 1>really walk with God, if that makes sense. So I

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<v Speaker 1>try to do my best. But anyways, I apologize for

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<v Speaker 1>the mute, I really do. I don't know how long

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<v Speaker 1>that was. Oh my goodness. I really feel embarrassed. But

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully you enjoyed the debate and I hope you enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>Wednesday service. This is the first episode. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hit me up on Instagram, it's at Josh Monday

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<v Speaker 1>Music and Podcast. Thank you guys so much. I really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you. And uh, let's end this in prayer. So, Father,

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<v Speaker 1>God and the name of Jesus, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for everything you do for me and you do for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody that's listening right now, please, I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask I pray over this podcast. I pray that the

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<v Speaker 1>people listening open up their hearts to you, accept your

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<v Speaker 1>word as true. I want to help people get closer

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<v Speaker 1>to you, Lord, and I want to help people get saved.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the whole point of this podcast. There's that there's

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<v Speaker 1>Christians and conspiracy theorists out there. There's conspiracy theorists out

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<v Speaker 1>there that are lost, that are that are digging through

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<v Speaker 1>all these different conspiracies and they're trying to find the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>What they don't understand, Lord is that the truth is

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<v Speaker 1>on their nights dand the Holy Bible. I know the

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<v Speaker 1>truth is there. Lord, So if you could please motivate

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<v Speaker 1>these these people that are listening to start reading the

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<v Speaker 1>Word of God. Lord, please and you know, help them

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<v Speaker 1>assist them to you know, if they if they do

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<v Speaker 1>sit down to do the Bible study with this show, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, have them pick up their Bible and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fall along and help me to teach the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>the way you want me to teach it. Lord, Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>service will be Uh. I'll be doing on Wednesday night.

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<v Speaker 1>And Lord, I just asked that you assist me to

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<v Speaker 1>teach Exodus seventeen to the best of my ability and

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<v Speaker 1>help me do some studies the next few days, so

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<v Speaker 1>I make sure that that is prepared and help me

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<v Speaker 1>prepare for when I do start teaching the New Testament

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<v Speaker 1>for Wednesday service. Lord, thank you for the opportunity. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you. Lord. I'm going to ask you that you

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<v Speaker 1>break the chains of any person that's listening right now

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<v Speaker 1>that's having any issues with anything, including myself. Lord, break

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<v Speaker 1>any change if there's anything that's stopping me from moving

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<v Speaker 1>forward in faith, if you want to, you know, anybody

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<v Speaker 1>that's out there that's that's the maybe like, hey, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't stop drinking, I can't stop doing this, can't whatever

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<v Speaker 1>kind of addiction that's stopped with them. Lord, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you break those chains. So thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate everything you do. Lord, thank you in

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus name, Amen, and everybody that's listening, I really appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry about that pause right there. I was talking all

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<v Speaker 1>confident too. That's hilarious that that the bike was muted

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<v Speaker 1>and that's never happened before. But anyways, thank you so much. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when the debate was playing, I just wanted to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you didn't hear me talking or anything. I

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting there listening with you guys the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, thank you guys so much for

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<v Speaker 1>your patience with me. And I love you guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>God bless you