1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: It's called set us Fore. Another great track from Nancy Manette, 2 00:00:03,319 --> 00:00:07,400 who is here with us online via teams. I think, hey, Nancy, 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:07,879 are you there? 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: Hey I am, can you hear me? 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,679 Speaker 1: Excellent? Yeah, no, you sound great. Welcome to the program, 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,679 welcome back, Thank you absolutely so tell us about so. 7 00:00:17,839 --> 00:00:19,760 At the top of the hour, we played Hey Little Brother, 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,079 and and it looks like that's been pretty successful for 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:24,879 you as a single. 10 00:00:25,879 --> 00:00:30,839 Speaker 2: It has. Yeah, And you know, I know you you 11 00:00:30,879 --> 00:00:34,560 talk with so many amazing artists and we're always surprised, right, 12 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:38,320 you know, we have our personal favorites are the ones 13 00:00:38,359 --> 00:00:40,759 that you know, we think will land, you know, very 14 00:00:40,799 --> 00:00:46,079 strongly with people, and then one that just takes off 15 00:00:46,119 --> 00:00:51,079 and you kind of like wow, you know, and and 16 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:55,119 yeah it did, it did, and I'm really excited about it. 17 00:00:55,479 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: So wow, you sound surprised, though, I mean, is there 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,520 is there something about the song that you didn't think 19 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:03,479 it was maybe as commercially viable as as it turned 20 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,439 out to be, or really. 21 00:01:05,359 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: Really good question. No. I think I was just super 22 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:15,879 playful about about the song, and you know, it was 23 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,879 for It was for a very good friend of mine 24 00:01:18,879 --> 00:01:21,760 who is ten years younger, and I call him my 25 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:24,239 little brother, and he always calls me sis, and I 26 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,200 just I just wrote this fun, playful song really kind 27 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,640 of you know, as a tribute to him. And and 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,480 you know, I mean because a lot of the other 29 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,680 songs that we, you know, that I write, that we've 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,359 even talked about, are heavily thematic in the sense of 31 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,040 like I've got something very strong and and this was 32 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:49,280 just just love and encouragement for my little bro. And uh, yeah, 33 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:52,040 I'm excited because it is for all the little brothers 34 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,200 out there. Yeah, you know, yeah for sure. So that's 35 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,319 the reason, you know, because it just was one of those, 36 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,920 you know, the people that that I love in my life, 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,680 I'll write songs for them. 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very cool. Is this is this the most 39 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:09,800 successful single you've had thus. 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,879 Speaker 2: Far in commercial radio? Yes? 41 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:14,439 Speaker 1: Excellent? 42 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely absolutely yeah. 43 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that and this is from the album is Paths? 44 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,800 And when did this come out? This is this is 45 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,719 your newest release, obviously. 46 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: My newest release. It came out in May, okay, yeah, 47 00:02:31,159 --> 00:02:38,800 and so h hey, little Brother hit the airwaves in 48 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:42,240 May and it's just been going ever since. 49 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,879 Speaker 1: Okay, So okay, yeah, and you've you've recorded quite a 50 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:48,960 few right now, how many albums have you recorded now? 51 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,199 Because it seems like a you've recorded a lot in 52 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,919 a relatively short span of time. 53 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,199 Speaker 2: You really want to know the number, like the actual 54 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:03,919 album number we're working on. I can't see your face, 55 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,759 so I'm getting it like yeah, nodding your head. 56 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: Yes, oh, yes. 57 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: We are and high gen by the way, we are 58 00:03:12,199 --> 00:03:15,599 working on album number five. 59 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: This is you're working on number five right now? 60 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: Yes? 61 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: Oh wow? 62 00:03:22,759 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: Been completed in what a span of what? 63 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,039 Speaker 1: Two years? Yes, that's that's great. 64 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:33,719 Speaker 2: The first the first. The first album took longer to 65 00:03:33,759 --> 00:03:37,560 write because I was in the process of should I 66 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:38,280 write an album? 67 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:38,639 Speaker 1: Right? 68 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: Should What? What would I want to Well, not even 69 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,360 what would I want to write about. I've pretty much 70 00:03:43,439 --> 00:03:46,120 knew what I wanted to write about. But it was 71 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:50,199 more of the can I right, It was the can question? 72 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:51,120 Can I do it? 73 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:51,639 Speaker 3: Not? 74 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: Can I do it? From a skill set? Can I 75 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,240 do it? Because I you know, can I do it? 76 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,319 Because I was always told I couldn't. Right, So in 77 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,560 twenty twenty I had to start kind of you know, 78 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,639 doing my own healing process of like wait, yeah, of 79 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,719 course I can, of course I can do that, you know, 80 00:04:11,479 --> 00:04:14,080 Like wait, I was told I couldn't, and then I 81 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:17,560 listened to it, you know, So there was a lot 82 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:18,959 of that I had to get through to get that 83 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,319 first album written. But then which really would be probably 84 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,439 the first one and two and then three, four and 85 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:27,040 five have been in the last year. 86 00:04:27,439 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: Okay, wow, Yeah, that's that's a lot of output in 87 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:34,079 a short time. Do you think putting out so much 88 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,000 music is what has led to your current chart success 89 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,079 with a Hey Little Brother? 90 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,399 Speaker 2: Oh you know, yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess I've 91 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:45,800 never thought about it that way. 92 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:47,519 Speaker 3: But. 93 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I will say this, just the churning of 94 00:04:54,879 --> 00:05:02,920 music maybe is not the complete answer, because you know, 95 00:05:03,319 --> 00:05:07,600 first of all, writing music, the more you write anything right, 96 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,480 the more you do anything, the better we become at it. Right. 97 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,439 So plenty of songs, Matt, that I've written and I've 98 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:20,639 gone you know, or or they've started one way and 99 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,720 I've shelfed them and I've pulled off and I've either 100 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:28,000 completely you know, cut and pasted and just moved around, 101 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,120 or just scrapped tons of the lyrics and I took 102 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:34,519 the theme, or sometimes I just completely start over with 103 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,879 a new melody. But the ideas are there, right, And 104 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:45,120 so there's that component. Then there's I have a great producer, 105 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:51,160 I really do, and he challenges me. And the one 106 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:56,240 that we're in the process right now, the number five. 107 00:05:57,079 --> 00:06:00,439 There were some songs when we sat down, I've submitted everything. 108 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:02,160 We sat down and I said, okay, I'm want to 109 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,040 bring my thoughts and he's bringing his thoughts, and you know, 110 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,639 a couple of our thoughts actually aligned and. 111 00:06:09,959 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 3: Meaning. 112 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: Like one of the songs, I said, I think this 113 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:15,279 one needs to be revisited, and it was on his list, right. 114 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:22,040 And he's always pushing and always challenging and always reminding 115 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:27,240 me to do something different and expand my my, my, 116 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,920 even my skill set. Just keep growing, keep growing as 117 00:06:31,959 --> 00:06:35,639 a musician, Nancy, keep growing as a singer, and show 118 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:38,720 growth every single thing you do and write, push yourself 119 00:06:38,759 --> 00:06:42,639 further and further and further. And it's been it's yeah. 120 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,639 So that's a longer version probably the answer to that 121 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:54,959 question for now, for hey, little brother, because because of 122 00:06:55,079 --> 00:06:58,480 all of that, and I listen, you know, I think 123 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,480 having the right collaboration and then being willing to listen 124 00:07:03,319 --> 00:07:08,759 to what the feedback is and push and stretch and grow, 125 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,319 and you know, even musically, I'll do things that I've 126 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:14,600 never even tried before. 127 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:17,439 Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, well, have you worked with the 128 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:20,639 same has it been the same producer for each project? 129 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:21,439 Speaker 2: It has been? 130 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,439 Speaker 1: It has been Okay. Yeah, so you definitely found somebody 131 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:27,680 who you can work with who brings out the best 132 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,560 in you and has a lot of ideas. And that's 133 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,079 great too, because you know, a lot of artists they 134 00:07:31,079 --> 00:07:33,120 don't want to hear a lot of artists don't want 135 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,079 to hear ideas necessarily, you know what I mean. They 136 00:07:35,079 --> 00:07:36,720 want to go in and they know what they want 137 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:41,439 to do, and and you know, the producer doesn't always 138 00:07:41,439 --> 00:07:44,439 know best necessarily. But it sounds like the person you're 139 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,639 working with. Who are they, by the way, what what's 140 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,199 their name? We should give them credit? 141 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, David Percifal with Yellow Dog Studios. Okay, and yeah, 142 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:58,560 so he's been He's been in the industry for forty 143 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:03,240 plus years. Right, He's a great, ammy winning producer, has 144 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:09,759 some very notable bands and experience under felt. And the 145 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:16,120 thing about David Percival is that he never stops pushing himself. So, 146 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:18,680 you know, the older that we get, we get we 147 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,360 tend to get stuck right in our style or our ways. 148 00:08:21,439 --> 00:08:24,439 Or this is the way we do something, and he's 149 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,680 constantly experimenting. So if I you know, I mean, I'm 150 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,120 working with somebody who that is what he holds himself to, 151 00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:37,200 of course I'm I'm going to hold myself to that. 152 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,120 I also, you know, I'm that's also kind of who 153 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:44,600 I am. Never in my twenties, man, I coined well, 154 00:08:44,639 --> 00:08:46,240 I think it was already coined, but I heard it 155 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:52,320 somewhere and then I made it mine right, never stop 156 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,960 being teachable, Always be teachable. And that just meant a 157 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,600 lifetime of curiosity and learning and listening. And you know, 158 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:06,840 we have an agreement that that if he feels super 159 00:09:06,879 --> 00:09:09,440 strongly about something, he's really just I mean, he is 160 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:12,720 going to tell me. And I don't like something that 161 00:09:12,759 --> 00:09:19,200 comes across in production, I'm I'm going to tell him. 162 00:09:19,519 --> 00:09:22,399 Like on the past album and people may have loved it, 163 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,559 I could not. I couldn't do it. In the song 164 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,440 that was in we had a Glockenspiel and I'm like, Dave, 165 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,519 it's got to come out, that's all I hear. And 166 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,279 he was like, Nancy, it's so fun. I'm like, it's 167 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,120 gonna drive me nuts. And now post production and post mastering. Right, 168 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,399 I'm like, now I only hear it, but nobody else 169 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:43,320 knew what was there? 170 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: Oh? Interesting? 171 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:47,039 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah it's funny. 172 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:50,279 Speaker 1: So now did you go onna? I saw something about 173 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:51,679 a radio tour? Did you Did you go on a 174 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,399 big radio tour for uh? 175 00:09:54,639 --> 00:10:01,039 Speaker 2: I did? Just yes, and we're now we just spent 176 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,039 so much time in the studio. I had to decide, Okay, 177 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,039 what are what are the priorities? What what do we 178 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:12,200 need to finish? What do we are? Because you can 179 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,759 only go be so many places at once, right, yeah, that. 180 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,519 Speaker 1: Would be one exactly. 181 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: I can only be in one place at one time. 182 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,039 And so yes, so now we're so. Yes, we did 183 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,399 the big radio tour, we did shows. Then we've just 184 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,360 been hunkered down either in my home writing or doing 185 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:40,080 things locally, doing private events and in the studio. So 186 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,480 now we're gearing up to get back out, you know, 187 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:45,759 to be on the road again. 188 00:10:46,039 --> 00:10:49,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And then so what's the plan long term 189 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,720 as far as is that us Free going to be 190 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,720 the next single? That I understand that correctly? 191 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:59,919 Speaker 2: Yes, it is okay thank you, which which is very anthemic, right. 192 00:11:00,039 --> 00:11:06,799 So I wrote it with really specific intent and we 193 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,200 did drop it first in January. But I will tell you, Matt, 194 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,480 I dropped it on January sixth. Yeah, and I was 195 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:19,639 and I'm just going to be as raw and as 196 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,440 vulnerable and we're just going to let it land where 197 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:25,799 it landed. And you know, plus I talked with my therapist. 198 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,480 I was actually scared, really like we just did what 199 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,960 We just dropped what song on January sixth. That's basically 200 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,320 saying we don't want It's not basically it's flat out 201 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:44,000 saying we don't want what our grandparents built, and we 202 00:11:44,039 --> 00:11:46,399 don't want what our parents thought they could do without 203 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:53,080 getting caught. Yeah, I'm calling my our parents' generation, not everyone, right, 204 00:11:53,279 --> 00:11:58,600 not everyone very specifically. I'm making some statements and I'm 205 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:01,279 making them based upon what I've I've listened to, you know, 206 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,399 always remain teachable. I'm listening to what the younger generations 207 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:11,000 are saying, and they're saying, we don't want that, we 208 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:14,720 don't want we don't even want what all of you 209 00:12:14,759 --> 00:12:17,000 guys went out to scrap and build and work so 210 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,360 hard and all the stuff you've accumulated. We don't want it. 211 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,480 We don't want that, we don't want war. 212 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:27,759 Speaker 1: Right, we want to get wrong. And yeah, did you 213 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,240 say this, because we've talked about the song before too. 214 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,120 Was there something too about a conversation, a specific conversation 215 00:12:34,159 --> 00:12:36,480 that you had with your daughter. Am I remembering that correctly? 216 00:12:37,159 --> 00:12:40,919 Speaker 2: That's what started the whole thing, was that she sat 217 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,480 me down and just you know, said, there's a better 218 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:48,080 way to do business, mom, There's a better way to 219 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:53,559 do life where you're not so exhausted, because right, I mean, 220 00:12:53,799 --> 00:12:55,919 we were taught to do it all and we hadn't 221 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,480 to do it all, and we had to do it 222 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,320 all with energy and never sleep. And it's the work ethic. 223 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,440 And there's nothing wrong with the work ethic. Or my 224 00:13:04,519 --> 00:13:08,240 daughter's got a fantastic work ethic. Yeah, she's an amazing 225 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,480 life where she actually builds in respite and she isn't 226 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:17,320 driving herself into the ground by thirty nine years old, right, Yeah, 227 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,120 So that's what I was doing. I was driving myself 228 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:26,960 into the ground at thirty nine, It's true. Yeah, yeah, laughy, Yeah, 229 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,200 I made it mad. I made it past forty. But 230 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,159 they said I wouldn't, right, right, I didn't shift. And 231 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,240 I think it's also the amount of stress and the 232 00:13:36,279 --> 00:13:39,600 amount of anger and the amount of hate and she's like, Mom, 233 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:42,080 it's just we we don't want it. We don't want 234 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,519 a world like that anymore. 235 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're yeah, you you write about a lot of 236 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,240 I mean obviously, like you said, hey, little brother is playful, 237 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,559 but you you write a lot about a lot of 238 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,279 heavy stuff. I do. 239 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: I do. I'm kind of laughing because there's some things 240 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,879 I've not I've not to put music to. But I 241 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,200 just I'm rite, you know. And as soon as I 242 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:16,559 got off the phone with my daughter, I sat down 243 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,720 and I wrote, I actually, yeah, I wrote those lyrics. 244 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,600 I wrote those specifically after that conversation because I was 245 00:14:23,639 --> 00:14:27,240 so moved by what she had to say. Yeah, so 246 00:14:27,799 --> 00:14:31,080 came to January. I was actually pretty afraid of how 247 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:36,320 that could land. Yeah, I was. Actually I think nobody 248 00:14:36,399 --> 00:14:41,360 understood what was going to happen in come January. I 249 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,919 don't think we still do. And we're trying to navigate. 250 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,240 And there was there was, you know, I mean, Matt, 251 00:14:50,279 --> 00:14:52,840 you know some of my backstory. There was there was 252 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:57,080 some old patriarchal and there's nothing wrong with men, right 253 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,440 that this is not an anti men thing. For me, 254 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:05,879 that old model was very much what really kept me silent. 255 00:15:06,879 --> 00:15:10,679 Why I had to ask myself, can I do this right? 256 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? 257 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,559 Speaker 2: That's actually why, because I came from that old model 258 00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:19,240 that that really held or holds a lot of people down, 259 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:22,080 a lot of people down. And so yes, of course 260 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:27,519 when that came out, it's like, oh, oh, but we're 261 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:32,080 leading off with it next month. So yeah, for long, 262 00:15:32,159 --> 00:15:34,440 I was just quiet about it for a few months. 263 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:37,399 Speaker 1: Has that changed it all, by the way over the 264 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,679 course of because you know, like we talked about, you've 265 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:42,320 been creating a lot of music. Has your as your 266 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,919 approach or your priorities in terms of what you're singing about? 267 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,240 Has that changed it all over the course of that, 268 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,120 because obviously in the beginning, you know, you had a 269 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:54,720 lot to get out. At this point, are you still 270 00:15:55,279 --> 00:15:58,120 trying to work all that out through the songs or 271 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:02,039 or or has as yours as your your priorities in 272 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,720 terms of what you sing about changed at all? 273 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:08,799 Speaker 2: So what you're saying that is, am I still singing 274 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:12,279 about loss and trauma? 275 00:16:12,799 --> 00:16:14,759 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well I suppose I am. 276 00:16:14,919 --> 00:16:19,159 Speaker 2: Yes, Well, because that first work was really what I 277 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:21,080 what I had done is I had weaved a story 278 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:26,080 of my life. Yeah, and so that was a lot 279 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,679 of a lot of that was I would say every 280 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,519 song that was on that first work or the first two, right, 281 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,639 because we've got a longer work that we did not 282 00:16:35,679 --> 00:16:40,200 release yet, and I would say that I had already 283 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:43,679 gone through and processed that stuff. But now I'm putting 284 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:47,759 it to music in a way that may and the 285 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,320 hope is that it would resonate with others that are 286 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,519 going through that. Right. But yes, the trauma and things 287 00:16:54,519 --> 00:16:57,720 like that. So the answer to that question is I 288 00:16:57,759 --> 00:17:05,519 still write from life, and I write from happy life, 289 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:10,160 and I write from difficult life, and I write from 290 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:19,119 painful life, and that that part is not going to change. 291 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:23,799 I Oh, gosh, how do I want to say that? 292 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,240 There are just different styles of writers? 293 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: Yeah? 294 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: And and sure do I want my music to be 295 00:17:32,039 --> 00:17:35,799 toe tapping? I want it to be you know, drawing 296 00:17:35,839 --> 00:17:38,400 in or a lot of ballads. I'm a ballad writer too, right, 297 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,519 And so I want those to draw people, you know. 298 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:45,079 My hope is that it draws people. But then but 299 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,519 then eventually the lyrics hit right, like on the the 300 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:56,640 number four I've written a song about, and they're not 301 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,759 coming out in that order, just so that's clear, right, Yeah, 302 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,119 we're not putting them so the technically the first album 303 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,759 has not been released, and that won't be that'll be 304 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:09,720 actually hanging out there for a while. The long one 305 00:18:09,759 --> 00:18:13,240 that you and I originally talked about, Okay, the seventeen 306 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,759 song you know, rock Opera is right, it's a lot 307 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:22,400 to digest. And my advisors really said, they're like, just 308 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:25,720 let's let's write write albums for right now. Let's wait 309 00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:30,559 to bring that out. And that's that was the best advice. 310 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,240 And if any artists are listening, listen to the advisors 311 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:37,400 that have been in this world forever. Yeah, just listen 312 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:40,839 to what they're saying. And so in next year a 313 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,119 song's going to come out. That's about one of my 314 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:48,400 best friends who lost her husband after thirty eight years 315 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,960 of marriage, and it's her journey over the last four 316 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:55,160 years of what she had to do to move on 317 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,599 and just her thought processes in song format. Right. So 318 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,200 when I first wrote it, it was probably eight minutes long. Yeah. 319 00:19:03,799 --> 00:19:06,000 I kept writing and writing and writing. I'm like, okay, 320 00:19:06,039 --> 00:19:08,440 now I have to trim, trim, trim, trim, Yeah, and 321 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:11,759 then it was still very long. It was still five minutes, 322 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:14,960 and I'm like, nope, got a trim trim trim trim trim. So, 323 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:19,400 uh yeah, I do. I write from life. I write 324 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,400 for my own life. I believe in therapy, I believe 325 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,640 in healing, and and things always come up. They always 326 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,440 come up. But I will say thematically I wouldn't necessarily 327 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,880 from my own maybe because my life is settled a 328 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:39,440 little bit. No, maybe from my own personal trauma. It's 329 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:45,640 not so heavy. But I'm still writing thematically about things 330 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:49,759 that I think about. Yeah right, yeah, things that I 331 00:19:49,839 --> 00:19:52,440 see happening in the world, things that are happening to 332 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,880 people I know, see things that are just happening. Another 333 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,759 one that's coming out addresses it addresses loss that's sudden, 334 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,799 but it addresses It's specifically written about school shootings because 335 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,119 I have a nephew that was in a school that 336 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,119 in December had had a student shoot up a classroom. 337 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,519 Oh my god, it is yes, and when that touches 338 00:20:20,599 --> 00:20:23,759 that close to home, my nephew is fine. But I 339 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:26,279 know staff at that school. It was where my kids 340 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:30,880 grew up, where I raised them, and it hit home 341 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,680 very strongly. It was, you know, the school's three doors 342 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:38,279 away from where my kids grew up, and so friends 343 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:45,759 and teachers and community members in Madison, Wisconsin. All were affected, right, 344 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:49,480 everybody has been rocked and turned upside down, and that's 345 00:20:49,519 --> 00:20:51,720 just that's not it. There's not even a great way 346 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,000 to say it, right, it's just horrible, horrible and horrible. 347 00:20:55,799 --> 00:20:59,720 But then there's lighter songs, right of course for all 348 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:07,039 the generation exers. We have one that's coming out too. 349 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,799 So yeah, yeah, all right, answered your question. 350 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely, And I know too, you know, 351 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,119 you're right. You write a lot about, you know, advocacy 352 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,400 for LGBTQ plus and I think that's important too, especially 353 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,759 in the you know, the times we're living in. 354 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,799 Speaker 2: Yes, so on the one we're in the middle of 355 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,279 right now, I have one that very much specifically deals 356 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:40,440 with their freedoms and are Hispanic friends Absolutely. 357 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, Okay, I don't. 358 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 2: Even know what to say. You know, I'm born and 359 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:48,920 raised in a suburb of LA and I live in Houston. 360 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:56,039 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, you no doubt no people or have 361 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,880 known people who are affected. You no doubt no ah 362 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:02,559 of people who have been affected by what's happening, or 363 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,039 or are worried about being affected by what's happening. Yes, yeh, 364 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,599 scary scary stuff, but but you know, certainly worth making 365 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,200 music about. You know. That's that's I mean, you know, 366 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:16,720 that's one of the best delivery systems for for for putting, 367 00:22:16,839 --> 00:22:18,200 you know, trying to put a message out there and 368 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,200 expressing your concern about what's going on, you know. 369 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, Man, in my writing, I I hope 370 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:35,079 to be a bridge. So the last name Manet actually 371 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,079 you know it's it's the artist who bridge to generations 372 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:45,359 of art, right. I take his example from realism to Impressionism. 373 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:50,279 He taught money, and I thought about my life and 374 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,480 just where I've been throughout my life and the opportunities 375 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:56,400 I've been given, and where I tend to settle or 376 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,759 not settle as far as like I'm settling, but where 377 00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:03,039 I land right, Yeah, and Pendaland is in a space 378 00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:10,880 of bridging, right, bridging two schools of thought, bridging two generations. 379 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,839 You know, we've got the younger generation and the older generation. 380 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:16,559 Speaker 1: And it's. 381 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 2: Hopefully like if you could see me, my hands are 382 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:27,000 all stretched out, why, bridging thoughts and ideas and helping 383 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,680 to cross this divide. And if anything that I write 384 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:36,480 can can even just cause pause and for people to 385 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:41,319 think even things lighter. You know, hey, little brother right. 386 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,039 It is a light and fun song. But if we listen, 387 00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:46,839 you know, you aren't afraid to lead the way into 388 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,200 the unknown. That means you're daring, as a little brother 389 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:56,680 to the world, right to like venture out side of 390 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,559 what you were told even as a child you had 391 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:03,160 to be like, right, you're not afraid to do it, 392 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,279 and you're leading the way on it, and and and 393 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:09,880 so those have certain themes in it of encouragement and 394 00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:13,279 stepping out of who you know, what always has been 395 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,279 and asking why And we're not all going to agree, 396 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:22,039 and we were never supposed to all agree, right, I 397 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,720 just don't think we were supposed to be positioned with, 398 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,000 you know, war heads at each other all the time. 399 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,839 I just don't think that that was the plan either, right, right. 400 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,359 So you know, Matt, you know how when you tune 401 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,839 a guitar, it takes tension, right, It takes tension to 402 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:45,599 tune a string, Yeah, to bring it into the right frequency, 403 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,480 to bring it into harmony. And the only way to 404 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:49,839 do that is we have to have tension. But if 405 00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:54,319 we have too much tension, it snaps right enough tens 406 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,160 you can't even tell what it is, right. 407 00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: Exactly. Oh, Nancy, just froze. Whoops, Oh what her screen 408 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:16,960 is her screen is frozen? Oh no, uh yeah, well 409 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,799 she did mention she was having internet issues. 410 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, that has been a bit of an issue for 411 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:21,359 her today. 412 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: Okay, I wonder if she's like, is she in the 413 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,599 city or out in the I don't know, I don't know. 414 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,000 It is late in the show. Oh, it's probably her 415 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:33,680 on the phone. Good good, Hey Nancy, is that you? 416 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 3: It is power again? 417 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,559 Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah. All of a sudden, it froze the screen. 418 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:44,079 I noticed the screen was frozen. I said, oh, that's 419 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:45,039 why she's not talking. 420 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, right, Well, so I hope this is okay. 421 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, okay, Yeah, no, that's fine. Uh yeah, We're 422 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,240 we're getting We're gonna have to wrap up soon anyway. 423 00:25:58,279 --> 00:25:59,880 But I'm glad. I'm glad you were able to call 424 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,240 because I do want to ask you about to finish 425 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:05,119 out the segment, we're going to play this track. Oh, 426 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,160 Son of Mine. This is another one of the songs 427 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,599 that you sent us that that I really like, and 428 00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:12,079 I wanted you to tell us about this, you know, 429 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,440 any anything we should know about this track? 430 00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:19,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. Well, it was a toss up for 431 00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:21,680 which one was going to radio next this one or 432 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:22,319 set us Free. 433 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:23,039 Speaker 2: So we did. 434 00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: We did a test market, and not because it isn't 435 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,039 a great track. We just had some people feedback like 436 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,960 the time was now right, yeah, set us Free. But 437 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,279 here is what well, well, it's a very personal song 438 00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:41,599 to me because it was written for my son. And 439 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,759 my son is thirty years old now. But you know, 440 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,279 he at twenty two bought a house and when COVID hit, 441 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,720 he sold that house and moved to the Houston region 442 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,640 and ended up having to live off the propheeds of 443 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,559 what he's sold his house for. And he was really 444 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:07,319 bummed and he felt, you know, he felt like a failure. 445 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,160 He had trouble getting back on his feet, he had 446 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,200 trouble getting work again, and it's taken him a while 447 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:22,960 to dig back out. And in his discouragement, I wrote 448 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,920 this song and sent it to him and I said, 449 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,640 anytime you're feeling low, I want you to hear this. 450 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,720 And even some other friends of mine that were talking 451 00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:34,880 about their sons and the discouragements that they were feeling, 452 00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:38,839 and I said, so this is for our sons out there, 453 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:43,359 no matter no matter who you are or where they are. 454 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,319 Everybody that I've ever talked to their sons have gone 455 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,559 through you know, down cycle and they've had to pull 456 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:57,000 back up. And I my bigger and broader hope for 457 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,880 this song is that young sons, you know, in that 458 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:06,599 twenty somethings, you know, that teenage years, that they may 459 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,200 find encouragement and hope that they can keep going and 460 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,319 they can start again, and they can they can always rebuild, 461 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:18,119 and they can always always remember that they are loved. 462 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: Excellent. No, I think that's fantastic and certainly very relatable. 463 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:25,079 So we're going to play that in a moment. One 464 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:27,279 more thing, Nancy, where should people go online to keep 465 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,440 up with everything that you're doing and find your music 466 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,720 and everything you got going on. Where's the best place 467 00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:31,960 to go? 468 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: Uh? 469 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 3: Primary? Nancy, Mine m A N E T dot com. Okay, 470 00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:45,319 and find me on Facebook. I am on Instagram, but 471 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:51,119 I am on Facebook more. Okay, I would say that. 472 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,440 So I'm on Facebook, and really follow and send me 473 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,359 a direct message because I respond personally and I love 474 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,519 to act with people. So send me a message to 475 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:06,599 my website. Send a message on Facebook. I'd love to 476 00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:10,400 hear from you, absolutely, and watch the website for the 477 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,759 updates of a tour coming near you, guys. 478 00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: Oh fantastic. Oh hopefully we can see you personally. That 479 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,920 would be great. That would be awesome. 480 00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:21,519 Speaker 3: That would be that would be I would be honored 481 00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:23,000 to have you there. 482 00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, definitely wonderful. All right, So we're going to 483 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:29,279 hit that track, Nancy, we will let you go. I 484 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,920 hope the rest of your day in terms of the 485 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,839 Internet is better. But technology will fail us at times. 486 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:37,839 I know the pain. 487 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for being flexible and gracious and as 488 00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:47,400 always you two. I'm just really I'm really grateful to 489 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,119 be a part of your show and have you guys 490 00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:51,759 on this journey with me. So thank you. Oh well, 491 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,359 we're being who you two you are. 492 00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:55,839 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Nancy. We appreciate that very much, and 493 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,160 we appreciate you and and we wish you continued success 494 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,759 and we'll talk soon again. And I'm sure. 495 00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely I would love it. Okay, thank you guys, and 496 00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:06,759 thanks again for rolling with today's internet. 497 00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:08,559 Speaker 2: Oh you guys have the best, no. 498 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,599 Speaker 1: Worries, healthy internet, healthy Internet. That's right, all right, Nancy Manet, 499 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,400 thank you so much. 500 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: Next time in person. There you go, guys, have a 501 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:16,759 good one 502 00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:17,799 Speaker 1: YouTube, bye bye bye.