WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.120 But you're still not hearing us. 2 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:04.000 Now I'm hearing you because I plugged my I plugged 3 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:04.599 my headphones. 4 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:09.000 Yet doctors, I've actually found historically that helps a lot. 5 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:11.519 Yeah, right, I've done that several times. 6 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:14.119 One of those little tech tricks that doctors don't want 7 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:15.000 you to know about. 8 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:19.239 It ask not what your country can do for you, 9 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:22.920 as what you can do for your country. 10 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:27.000 Mister Gorbachev, tear down this wall. 11 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:32.000 It's the Recorchet podcast with Charles Yukook and Stephen Hayward. 12 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:33.799 I'm James Lonnox and the day we talked to Ellen 13 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:37.960 Fantini about the European Conservative and yes there is more 14 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:40.000 than one, so let's ever selves a podcast. 15 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:44.159 Any of this new information implicates former President Obama in 16 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:48.119 criminal behavior, we have referred and will continue to refer 17 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:50.960 all of these documents to the Department of Justice and 18 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:54.719 the FBI to investigate the criminal implications of this. 19 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:58.240 Would an untalented man be able to compose the following 20 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:01.359 satirical witticism cook yourself. 21 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:05.599 Welcome everybody, It's the Ricochet of podcast with a very 22 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:09.719 satisfying number of seven hundred and fifty. You too can 23 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:11.319 join us at ricochet dot com. To be part of 24 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:13.799 the most stimulating conversation in community on the web. And 25 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:16.439 I know that's a big claim, bold claim, but Dear, 26 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:18.079 if we couldn't back it up, we wouldn't make it. 27 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:22.040 I'm James Lilacs and sunny, beautiful Clement, Minnie Apolis, where 28 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:24.719 I just walked the dog by the creek in the woods, 29 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:28.719 glorious day summer. And Stephen Hayward, I believe is in 30 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:32.159 California or Iceland, who knows. And Charles C. W. Cook 31 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:35.879 is probably in Florida, where I imagine it's torporous and 32 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:38.719 one can barely walk in the humidity without feeling as 33 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:43.079 if though you're jogging at the bottom of a pool. Gentlemen, 34 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:43.519 how are you? 35 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:45.920 I am good, We're both good. 36 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:47.439 I think I played. 37 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:49.120 Two hours of tennis this morning in this weather, so 38 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:50.040 I hope you're impressed. 39 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:53.680 I am impressed. My wife plays tennis as well. She's extraordinary. 40 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:55.280 What are you are you? A four, A five, A 41 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:56.760 four point five, a three point eight. 42 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:59.400 Now, well, my wife's a really good tennis player. I 43 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:02.200 didn't have a ranking, but I am six foot three, 44 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:04.040 so I can still win most of the time because 45 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.359 I'm just stronger than that. She's the one with all 46 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.680 of the numbers and lines and all of this. I'm 47 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:13.639 just I'm just trying to make sure that I don't 48 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.319 sit in my chair all day and do nothing. 49 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:19.400 That's my aim. Yes, I know, I'm the same way. 50 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:21.039 I am keen to sit in my chair all day 51 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:24.560 and do something. But now that I am retired, I 52 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:25.919 have to get out of the house. I have to 53 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:29.000 do things, and I'm enjoying it quite an awful lot 54 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.759 as a matter of fact. But then again, that gives 55 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:34.240 me time to bruise the web and the Twitter and 56 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:36.400 the X and all the rest of it and see 57 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:40.000 what's up and going. And it appears we have a kerfuffle. 58 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:43.719 We have a concretent that was once known as Russiagate 59 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:46.039 that is back in the headlines. Some people are saying, 60 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.520 this is nothing new, We've been over this before. It's ridiculous. 61 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:51.280 There's no trees in here, there's nothing that ties it 62 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:53.759 to well Bama, etcetera, etcetera. But as I understand that 63 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:55.639 there were documents that were under lock and key for 64 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:58.879 an awful long time that were finally prized out of 65 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:01.360 those who were holding them, and that they've been going 66 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:04.919 over them with the proverbial no, I'm sorry, not the axiomatic, 67 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:09.159 the cliched fine tooth comb, and things have been revealed. 68 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:12.000 What do you, gentlemen, take away from Director of National 69 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:15.560 Intelligence Tulsea Gabbert's presser on this particular situation. 70 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:20.560 Well, I guess I'll go first. I think if we 71 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.000 take it at face value, and of course we heard 72 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:26.280 Gabbart's presentation of it, it does look like we are 73 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:29.680 seeing some new things suggesting that a lot of the 74 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:33.240 senior intelligence people under the last weeks of Obama knew 75 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:36.639 that all of these claims were false or extremely weak 76 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:40.080 at best, and that Obama knew about it, and Obama 77 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.759 was up to his neck. And I guess I'll call 78 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:44.919 it a conspiracy. I try to avoid that because I've 79 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:48.840 run out of tinfoil, but involved in a conspiracy to 80 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:52.639 hobble cast out on the legitimacy of the election and 81 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:57.120 hobble President Trump's first term, which they had some success, right, 82 00:03:57.319 --> 00:03:58.400 I think for the show. 83 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:00.719 And I don't like to use the termspiracy. I think 84 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:02.680 satanic cabal is a little. 85 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:07.280 Less right, right, Yes, well, I mean I think. And 86 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:11.879 then we also heard that the Russian intelligence, through their 87 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.439 hacking of Democratic Party emails or whatever, claim to have 88 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:18.879 known that Hillary Clinton was given to fits of rage 89 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:23.240 and was had serious psychological problems, was taking tranquilizers heavily, 90 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:26.759 and various other things that may or may not be true. 91 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:28.720 I mean, we all, I think when we heard that 92 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.639 I read that, what ran our minds back to that 93 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:35.439 September eleventh, twenty sixteen episode she had where she had 94 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:37.839 to be bundled up and carried to a van when 95 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:41.360 she was obviously having that. And you had various explanations 96 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:42.560 for hours of days after. 97 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:47.720 She dragged like a legless sack of potatoes. 98 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.519 Right, but they told her, well, she was dehydrated. It 99 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:52.920 was this, there was that, and and you know, we 100 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:55.879 never quite got a clear explanation of that. I do 101 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.600 think that if oh tobably type two diabetes is claimed 102 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:02.639 by this supposedly Russian intelligence and so I don't know. 103 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:06.439 I do remember reading on Twitter at the time, and 104 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:08.879 it's almost ten years ago now that oh, you know, 105 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:11.920 I'm a neurologist, and I can tell that she's got 106 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:14.759 Parkinson's disease and she's going to be dead in a year. 107 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:16.639 And you know, some of the typical claims are people 108 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.279 run away with themselves? And herry are almost ten years 109 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.000 later and Hillary's still with us, and so I don't 110 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:23.560 think we know the truth of all that, but it 111 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:26.279 is an intriguing little tidbit that emerged from all this. 112 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:28.399 I'm less interested in that than the things that we 113 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:31.040 learned about the five supposed pieces of evidence that led 114 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.040 them to conclude that the Russia Gate was ongoing. And 115 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:35.879 it was like, well, this one is thinly sourced. We 116 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:38.720 can't exactly find where it comes from. It makes a 117 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:42.519 vague allusion to somebody with a first name starting with 118 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:45.600 TA started her last name is starting with T. It's 119 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:49.040 from somebody who was later revealed to be a triple 120 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:55.480 agent for Mongolia, and it's from eighteen fourteen. And they said, well, 121 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:58.000 I you know, it's got the ring of truth to it. 122 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:01.040 So it was throwing in the mix. Charles, are you, 123 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:04.360 first of all, are you still interested in this? Do 124 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:06.279 you think it matters? Do you think it is a 125 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:07.480 germane to today? 126 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:09.519 Well, it depends what you mean. 127 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:14.360 I think that it's a scandal, and the passage of 128 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:17.399 time doesn't change that. I thought it was a scandal 129 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:22.079 at the time, wasted two years of not just Trump's 130 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:25.920 first presidency, but my life, I do regret one thing 131 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:26.360 I regret. 132 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:27.360 It's a quick digression. 133 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:32.120 I went at that time on CNN relatively frequently, and 134 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:34.839 every time they would bring this up, I would think, 135 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:38.800 you know what, just say, doesn't this all sound like 136 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.959 a bunch of nonsense to you? And then I thought, 137 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.920 if I say that and I'm wrong, just on the 138 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.399 off chance that I'm wrong, I will for the rest 139 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:49.680 of my life be that guy who did that. 140 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:50.600 So I didn't. 141 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:53.600 I said, well, but I do think it's a scandal. 142 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.639 I think it's not so much that it doesn't interest me. 143 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:00.000 But I think the context within which Tulsy Gabbart had 144 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.360 said it is just wrong, in that there is not 145 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:08.319 going to be a prosecution of Barack Obama. Whatever might 146 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:12.800 or should happen to lower level intelligence operatives or Brennan. 147 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:16.639 Barack Obama is not going to be prosecuted for this, 148 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:20.879 in part thanks to a Supreme Court case called Trump 149 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:28.040 versus United States, which has rendered him immune. So I 150 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:30.800 don't like that she has told people that this is 151 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:34.319 going to happen, because it's not. But insofar as this 152 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:37.720 has been used as a vehicle to remind people that 153 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:40.120 this was a really bad incident in our history, and 154 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:43.399 that the light worker himself was involved in it. I'm 155 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:46.279 absolutely happy to revisit it. 156 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:50.079 Especially since we're dealing with an administration that was caught 157 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:52.600 off Mike Hart Mike saying that after the election will 158 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:55.800 have more flexibility. I mean, I've never understood why that 159 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:59.879 wasn't up there in bost letters of body's consciousness, but 160 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:02.040 seems to have just pat after the election, I will 161 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:04.680 have to do one exactly more flexibility for you to 162 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:07.519 do what exactly. No, he's not going to be prosecuted 163 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:09.439 in the idea that somehow he's going to be frog 164 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:11.759 marched out and changed. But it was interesting that I 165 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.439 think the Trump administration somebody ginned up an ai image 166 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:20.519 of just that. And of course everybody you hair on fire, 167 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:23.519 I get it. It's you know, the norm is broken, 168 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:25.959 et cetera. But it does sort of force them to 169 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:29.160 talk about what that's in reference to. And there seems 170 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:31.519 to be a lot of the press doesn't know quite 171 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:36.279 what to do about this, because you know, it's it's 172 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:39.480 truth y as a man once said that he was, 173 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:44.960 you know, probably obviously propriate, et cetera. Et cetera. And 174 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:47.600 the particulars really don't matter to them, and they'll come 175 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:48.919 out and say things like, well, it's not as if 176 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:51.080 we said that Russia changed the election or hacked the election, 177 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:55.200 but that is exactly what you guys were saying. So 178 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:58.159 this will be red conned and flushed that that's that's 179 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:03.159 basically it. And and unfortunately the internet meme nothing ever happens, 180 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:05.559 I think will apply to this. Yeah. 181 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:11.679 Yeah, but I think that there has been a punishment. 182 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:16.600 This has been my view for years that this is 183 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.399 an intrinsically political question because the president's not going to 184 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.000 be prosecuted for it, and there has been a punishment 185 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:28.639 for Barack Obama, which is that he lost his legacy 186 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.600 thanks to Trump winning in twenty sixteen, and now Trump 187 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:32.399 won again. 188 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.759 And like the main legacy he's going to have, I believe, 189 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:40.080 is going to be an unfathomably ugly public library. 190 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:43.039 Yeah. I actually just finish on this by saying, this 191 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:49.320 is the thing that I love about America. Obviously it's 192 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:51.639 not perfect and this doesn't always happen, but the thing 193 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:54.919 that depresses me in other countries and in my country 194 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.480 of birth is things go badly, bad decisions are made. 195 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:03.840 You get into these periods of torper and then the 196 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:05.399 public says okay. 197 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:09.399 But in the US usually. 198 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:13.000 The public doesn't like it and does something about it. 199 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:15.399 And we saw this with inflation, for example. We saw 200 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.679 those terrible moves that Biden made. The public punished Biden 201 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:23.399 for that, and yeah, the press will wreckon this and 202 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:26.720 they'll try to rewrite it in time. But Barack Obama 203 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:28.720 has paid a price for this, and so has the 204 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:32.519 Democratic Party. Even if the average person in the street 205 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:36.039 isn't up on it or thinking about it day to day, 206 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:38.919 they didn't actually get away with it. And I think 207 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:39.480 that's good. 208 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.080 Well, you know, after our guests, I want to talk 209 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:45.960 to you, Charles, when you mentioned that the English British 210 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:50.200 reaction is different. There has been a change seemingly in 211 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:53.360 the atmosphere after the introduction of migrants into Epping and 212 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:56.639 the displacement of hotel people at Canary Wharf to house 213 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:59.240 and boat people, and there seems to be a bit 214 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:01.960 of a shift. 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That's bank on Yourself dot 245 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:34.639 com slash ricochet. Did I say bank on yourself dot 246 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:37.440 com slash ricochet. I believe I did. And we thank 247 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.080 bank on Yourself for sponsoring this the Ricochet Podcast. And 248 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:45.000 now we welcome Ellen Fantiney, deputy editor of the European Conservative. 249 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:47.600 And there's got to be at least three or four 250 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:51.919 of those there in continent, so she probably knows them 251 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:54.360 all intimately and can tell us, you know, their full story. 252 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.840 But welcome. I'm gonna throw this to Stephen because I 253 00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:00.480 know he's got something query he wish used to put 254 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:00.759 you in. 255 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:04.120 Well, right, I'll be high Ellen, great to see you. 256 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:06.840 You and your other half, Mario Fantini, or two of 257 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.679 my favorite Europeans, even though you're Americans. But Mario can 258 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:15.879 almost fake being a European with a name like Mario Fantini. Right, anyway, 259 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:18.559 I mean here's I mean, we have listeners here. No 260 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:21.039 one can see the magazine I've got. I've got them 261 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:23.039 stacked up here on my desk. And what I tell 262 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:26.639 people about it is so, first of all, I'll try 263 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:30.879 to describe it. It's printed on thick stock, it's perfect bound, 264 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:33.759 as we say in the magazine Trade, and it's got 265 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:36.240 lots of great art work in it. And so I say, 266 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:38.960 it's if you want to try think about a conceptually 267 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:42.840 A describe it as a cross between Chronicles magazine and 268 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:44.919 Architectural Digest. 269 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:46.360 Right, I mean like that. 270 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:49.600 Yeah, Well I'll just share one, you know, a typical 271 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:53.799 piece of art that's always very topical with James and Charles. 272 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.440 Here's what they call the magazine trade a double truck. 273 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:59.480 It's a two full page piece of artwork. And this 274 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:03.879 is a rawing of Trump's Southern Border Wall. Now you 275 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:07.399 really know it's a conservative magazine when they're highlighting artwork 276 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:08.840 in praise of Trump's a. 277 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:12.039 Southern border wall, practically a fold up Playboy fold out 278 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:14.720 for the. 279 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.039 For the Maga Trade. And then I don't know, I mean, 280 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:17.960 so I don't want to go on too long, Ellen, 281 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:19.600 and praise your magazine because I want to ask you 282 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:22.879 how it started and a few things about it. But 283 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.279 for example, you one issue, two or three issues back 284 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:30.519 had several features recalling the glory days of the Habsburgs 285 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:34.360 and interviewing the latest heirs of the Habsburg dynasty. That's 286 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:37.080 a real conservative magazine, right, Or you know articles saying, 287 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:38.840 you know, we ought to give Franco a second look 288 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.399 and realize he's not the boogeyman that we've been told 289 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:45.000 for years. What latest issue has a couple of features actually, 290 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:47.919 like I think five features on the legacy of Jean 291 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:51.519 Marie Lapinn, who remains you know, a boogeyman for everybody 292 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:52.600 and enlightened opinion. 293 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:54.360 Yes, exactly right. 294 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:57.000 So tell us a bit about I mean, I don't know, 295 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:59.440 give us your sort of thumbnail sketch of what you 296 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:01.600 guys are about out and not about I mean, I'd 297 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:04.039 like to say you don't have dense articles on marginal 298 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:08.000 tax rates. You're about culture and beauty and philosophy, and 299 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.840 you know some of the populist currents going on in Europe. 300 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:13.720 You guys are all over. But tell us how the 301 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.960 magazine got started and what you guys try to do 302 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:17.279 with it. 303 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:23.240 Sure, So, yes, we've been in Europe for I know 304 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:26.279 Mario has been there for about twenty years. I've been 305 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:30.120 close to fifteen. And we used to joke when Mario 306 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:35.159 would say, I'm Mario Fantini from the European Conservative, and 307 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:40.159 they'd say, oh, so you're the Conservative, the European Conservative. 308 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:43.120 That's changed quite a lot, and we can talk a 309 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:47.440 little bit about that, but certainly the political landscape has changed. 310 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:54.480 So the magazine had its early beginnings as a newsletter 311 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:59.679 from the proceedings of the Vandenberg Meeting, and the Vandenberg 312 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:03.360 Meeting still meets to this day. I think it's been 313 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:09.919 seventeen or eighteen years. The Center for European Renewal brought 314 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:16.080 together intellectuals and thinkers to try to look at the 315 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:21.039 philosophical I would say, foundations of conservatism in Europe, what 316 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:25.080 is there to conserve, etc. So started as a newsletter 317 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:30.600 and then Mario, let's say, was discontent with his day 318 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.519 job and said, hey, do you mind if I try 319 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.720 to make this into a real magazine. They said, sure, 320 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:42.240 that's fine. He did that for many years. Then we 321 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:46.639 got some foundation help. Actually an American Foundation gave us 322 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:51.559 some money to start a small website. Meanwhile, we were 323 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:54.879 producing this magazine on our own and sending it out 324 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:59.519 as a PDF, or printing a few copies and handing 325 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.559 them out like samizdat, you know, at various conferences. But 326 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:08.920 the PDFs really started getting shared, I suppose went viral 327 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:13.640 a bit. People really loved these magazines, and eventually we 328 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:19.799 got a foundation funding to really properly professionalize to publish 329 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:22.799 the magazine Steve that you have in your hands, and 330 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:27.359 we also started a website, We started a news program, 331 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:31.400 we opened an office in Brussels. We have reporters all 332 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:35.680 around Europe doing daily news, commentary, analysis. But the baby 333 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:39.680 of the project, the Fantini baby, is definitely the magazine 334 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:47.880 and its aim is to I would say, understand what 335 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:52.839 is European conservatism, And I say that but also say 336 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:57.799 it's not a monolith. So really it's European conservatisms because 337 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:04.480 of course there are conservative or right wing traditions across 338 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:09.160 Europe that are really different from one another, and they 339 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:12.960 have histories that are very different. And of course even 340 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:18.319 today the European right is not a monolith. There are 341 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.559 issues that one country deals with that another country perhaps 342 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:26.240 has dodged for now and so on. So the magazine 343 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:32.079 attempts to, through beauty and art and culture and philosophy 344 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:37.519 and book reviews, tries to remind us, of course, what 345 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:40.119 we mean when we say we want to save the West. 346 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:44.440 What is the West? You can't simply talk about taxes 347 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:47.359 and financial policy if what you're trying to save is 348 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:49.960 our patrimony. So that's part of it. 349 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:54.880 Yeah, yeah, so I know the magazine. Well, first of all, 350 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:57.359 I should mention that whenever I'm going somewhere in Europe, 351 00:18:57.400 --> 00:18:59.279 I will email Mario and say, who do you know 352 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.759 in Oslo, Dublin, or you know some small town in Spain. 353 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:04.720 And he always tells me five people that he knows 354 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:08.079 right and tells me all about them. And so you 355 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:11.240 guys seem to be in touch with everybody everywhere. And 356 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:13.759 I know that you've been on newsstands. I think you're 357 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:18.119 on the Smith Consortium of newstands, except when they kicked 358 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:20.319 you off temporarily because of some cartoon. 359 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:23.039 Right, Yes, that was the best thing that happened to 360 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:26.880 our to our sales is when we got we got 361 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.680 sort of canceled by W. H. Smith, which is basically 362 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:36.160 the Barnes and Noble of the UK and a fairly 363 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:41.799 well known playwright went into a W. H. Smith and 364 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:46.000 let's say he and his husband are not the types 365 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:50.119 who would normally gravitate towards something called the European Conservative. Well, 366 00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:56.200 they flipped through it and found a cartoon. The cartoon fantastic. Uh. 367 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:59.880 Mom asks a little boy wearing a backpack, what did 368 00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:02.400 you learn at school today? And the little boy vomits 369 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:07.039 a rainbow? So, I mean, you know, not particularly so edgy. 370 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:10.839 But they complained to W. H. Smith said, how can 371 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:14.559 this rubbish be sold? You know? Meanwhile, I'd love to 372 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:16.839 know what was right next to it and behind it 373 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:21.920 that was probably actual rubbish. Wh Smith panicked told all 374 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:27.160 of its retailers to to yank that issue from the shelves. 375 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:31.680 We of course seize the opportunity because there's no such 376 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:35.440 thing as bad press, and people were very interested and 377 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:36.759 we got lots of new readers. 378 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:38.720 To W. H. 379 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:42.720 Smith's credit, they didn't ban us from their stores, and 380 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:45.400 they still stalk us, and in fact, they'd just been 381 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:49.519 sold to something with a similar name that's not wh Smith. 382 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:52.240 And they continue to stalk us, and we are stocked 383 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:55.799 across the United States of America in Barnes and Noble. 384 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:02.319 Interesting little factoid is that half of our readers kind 385 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:07.640 of across all platforms, so website, magazine sales and subscriptions, 386 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:13.000 our social media followers are in the US. And I 387 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:17.920 think it's because you kind of alluded to this. Americans 388 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:19.839 do want to know what's going on in Europe and 389 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:24.599 they want to understand what European conservatism is. They also 390 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:29.119 want help, I think, sometimes navigating the players. Who are 391 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:32.759 the good guys who are the bad guys? You know, 392 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:34.839 not that we have a list of like who the 393 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:38.440 bad guys are, but I think because there's such an 394 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:43.279 import export of bad ideas between Europe and America, a 395 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:45.519 lot of Americans want to know what's what's happening in 396 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:47.960 Europe and the European conservative does that. 397 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:50.200 Well, one one more question for me and I'll turn 398 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:53.079 you over to Charlie and James. I mean, one of 399 00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:55.319 the things I like about it is exposes me to 400 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:57.759 a lot of European writers I've never heard of before. 401 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:00.359